lore-discussion

[dusty trench]

Oh

Otto works with cultist

[proven pelican]

Oh u edited it

It said traitor

[dusty trench]

Oh

Secret neighbor fits better

[proven pelican]

Yeah

But all we can refer to this is that him and the missing journalist were close or at least friends

[dusty trench]

Orr

He was faking

[proven pelican]

Yeah probaly

[dusty trench]

Missing Journalist got too close after all

[proven pelican]

Yeah just with Quentin

They all have the same fate sorta

Another dude takes the place

It is kind of funny in the series Mr otto gets cooked by Peterson

[dusty trench]

Yea

I want a game where Mr. Otto is the main antagonist

lol idk why, but I can see that being good

[proven pelican]

I’d like a lore expansion for him

And a game would be good too

[dusty trench]

He is on some experimentation type stuff with his house it seems

I wonder where it all went wrong

[proven pelican]

That’s a good question

[dusty trench]

Origin game and Otto is the villain lol

[proven pelican]

I dojt know if his “friends” death effect him if he even was acting real

[proven pelican]

Young otto

[dusty trench]

Maybe, game can be like Missing Journalist and Otto, but Otto was forced into a deal with cult to be their slave and we see how it plays out.

[proven pelican]

Could be

[dusty trench]

Beak

[proven pelican]

I doubt Otto really likes the forest protectors even as being one

[dusty trench]

He is treated the worst

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

As we see the newspapers put him just out there as crazy man unlike any others, and AS

[proven pelican]

Yeah he’s treated as an OutKast

That’s why he lives away from others

[dusty trench]

Yea

He doesn’t want to be near everyone else

It is private property

[proven pelican]

Plus I think the mayor gave his other friends or cultist high ranking jobs if I’m correct he gave them Jobs

And he got Nothijg

[dusty trench]

Well, Otto is a taxidermist. And has private property, he is likely very rich.

[proven pelican]

Yeah ur right he does have a business for that

U can disagree but I think he’s one of the most dangerous neighbours not the most dangerous but he does have a shotgun that’s real

[dusty trench]

Part of his money scandles is cause he gave up his own soul cause of greed.

[dusty trench]

Yea

He got tools

[proven pelican]

He has skills

[dusty trench]

Yea he can aim

[proven pelican]

Perfect aim

[dusty trench]

I got better aim trust

[proven pelican]

If Mr Otto had his shotgun Mr Peterson wouldn’t been gone

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

I mean ofc, it’s Theo.

[proven pelican]

Yea

But he could’ve done better

[dusty trench]

Otto yea is better at guns

[proven pelican]

He’s a bit older tho

60s or 50s

[dusty trench]

Yea but he’s better at guns

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Likely

It’s his speciality

[proven pelican]

I doubt Mr Peterson knows how to use a gun

[dusty trench]

He does most def

Not as good tho

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Probably wouldn’t really care

[proven pelican]

He likes blunt force weapons more tho

Like meeles

[dusty trench]

And his hands

lol

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

I wonder if Otto has his own goal with Mayak tech and stuff

I made a theory he is obsessed with experimenting with it, also had greed (obv).

[proven pelican]

I mean he does create abominations

Like the three things in the museum he most likely made

[dusty trench]

Fish head

[proven pelican]

Bear

[dusty trench]

Design is based on that, but fish head represents something relating to towns history.

The powerful people behind town they slowly gained twisted mindset and became a greedy bloodthirsty cult.

There’s more to it but that’s its ties to that.

Afk

[proven pelican]

You mean like that golden apple cooperation or whatever it was called

[dusty trench]

Back

[dusty trench]

Yea, cult is behind it

[proven pelican]

Yeah tarvish family owns it I think

[dusty trench]

They basically own the town

We even see it in games too

[proven pelican]

Yeah

Also do u think the upcoming storms or the storms that were in hn3 are from the rituals

[dusty trench]

No, I believe Theo is causing the storm

[proven pelican]

I wanna hear more on ur theory

[dusty trench]

Because Theo has lost everything he is bringing a storm to the town. We see in HN3 P3 cutscene Theo when he breaks statue and is enraged the storm picks back up more. The book Raven Brooks Disaster (aka GN2) is about a storm that Theo is causing. And in HE we see he is experimenting with storms using Mayak tech, HN2 adds directly onto that because there is a back entrance in museum back yard that leads to forest with railroad tracks, leads to the town outskirts. And even SN snow their event Theo is experimenting with weather and takes the snow. He is using weather to experiment with Mayak and stuff like time as we see in HE and other games, he has many different strats with storm stuff to try and live the reality he never got. And he lost everything and becomes more insane as we see in HE, HN2, and GN2, and he brings a storm to the town outskirts of rage, insanity, pain, and well, his life. Because overtime as bad luck kept coming to him, he started reacting more out of fear and get obsessed with his experiments bad fears more than anything, and it got to the point where his false reality’s got in the way of him, and bad luck came aswell as consequences, as he never really got to experience growing up. So he lost himself, and is bringing destruction, pain, and madness. Like a very dark symbol with huge impact.

[proven pelican]

That’s actually very good and a well made theory never knew that book exists I domt really read the books

It seems true tho

[dusty trench]

Right now as an idea it’s clear that Theo is part of this storm in HN3

[proven pelican]

He’s been tortured and harassed his whole life

Mentally tortured

[dusty trench]

Yea

Afterwards

He started getting taken up by his experiments and curiosity’s. And his fears ate him alive.

[proven pelican]

Yeah

Do we know what we does after hn2 ?? Ik he is trapped but so may years later we are in hn3

[limber ridge]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but Nikita isn't saying that it doesn't take place in real Missouri, it just takes place in NO Missouri. No such thing as nationalities in Nikita's HN.

[dusty trench]

Hm?

Yea

And I added on

[proven pelican]

It’s like its own Missouri

Its own world its own ect

[limber ridge]

It's not called Missouri if that's the case.

[dusty trench]

Carley added that in books

[proven pelican]

It is tho

[limber ridge]

He said that there aren't nationalities, not just that it doesn't take place anywhere

[dusty trench]

It’s still technically Missouri, but not missouri

[limber ridge]

It is in the books yeah.
Not in HN3.

[dusty trench]

That’s not what’s being said, it didn’t take place in our world.

[dusty trench]

In what way do you mean by that?

[proven pelican]

Hn is its own universe

[proven pelican]

Wdym hn3 is the same as hn1 hn2 same setting

Hn3 is raven brooks bit demolished and a ghost town basically

It’s still in its own Missouri

[dusty trench]

It’s the same universe, dif continuity is what he’s saying.

[limber ridge]

"There is no real world countries or nationalities"

[proven pelican]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Exactly what I mean by the meta I mentioned above aswell.

It can tie to that

Also it’s still true

[limber ridge]

Yh I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

[dusty trench]

HN is its own universe, in books it’s not real Missouri

[limber ridge]

I thought you were saying that there is nationalities in HN3 but they technically don't count because they aren't the same as our real world.

[dusty trench]

HN in general

Is its own universe

[proven pelican]

That’s why they have there own language too it is a mix of other languages but its own too

It can have English

[dusty trench]

Wayron Croobian ties to Mets a ton and other symbolism for audience. Since HN3 has no Wayron Croobian.

Neither does books

[proven pelican]

Why dosent hn3 have ut

[limber ridge]

Yh but the difference is HN3 has no nationalities at all

[dusty trench]

Nikita wants it to be more fresh and it doesn’t fit fully what HN3 is going for. Also direction in the game.

[limber ridge]

Unlike books HN

[proven pelican]

Like the abandoned vibe ?

[limber ridge]

Language is needed for story progression in 3

[dusty trench]

The direction and story

[proven pelican]

Oh so fresh stuff

Not like old stuff

I domt understand much but I can get what ur tryna say

[dusty trench]

No one has a nationality in HN, technically. It’s in its own world and universe. And in this case for HN3 Nikita’s view in this meta, it doesn’t matter, since what matters is the world setting that the HN universe is, who characters are and such and their story.

Technically

It doesn’t exist there because, it’s not REAL world Nationalities or Countries. Thats the kinda meta behind that.

[proven pelican]

They just originate from raven brooks that’s all or sum like that

It dosent go into detail since

It’s not like our

World

I will go to bed it was nice talking with u Dark have a good night or day

[dusty trench]

You too peace ✌️

[limber ridge]

Yes they do. There is German people in HN.

Even if it's not the same nationalities as irl.

[dusty trench]

I meant to say not real in that first sentence, but I kinda well, said it right after tho.

[limber ridge]

Okay. HN3 still has none kinda.

Less than books.

I'm not complaining about it.

I like it.
It's just a thing now.

[dusty trench]

It’s more of the unique world itself, and about the characters themselves specifically. Like, look at the characters skin tones. That’s just how they look. And it fits HN3 and what the game is going for within the world of HN.

[limber ridge]

Yeah, I'd say the "no nationalities" for HN3 is like the skin tones.

[limber ridge]

Mayor Tavish didn't get arrested afaik, he simply lost his power.

He was scared to go to the ritual and as such was able to escape consequences.

That always catches me off guard lol.

[limber ridge]

I dream for the day when they stop making installments on the rescue squad.
We already got:
Secret Neighbor
Search and rescue
Hello Engineer
Animated series
And I guess the books(I don't really mind Aaron triliogy because it takes place in a different time period and focuses more on Aaron and the Petersons so yeah)
It's getting repetitive.
Like SN and Nicky books were kinda early on so I forgive that. But so much is just... Overkill.

[inland folio]

this made me somehow miss the dynamic pixels era of HN

because like

every game was diffrent in its own way

which made me like them so much

[crude palm]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on Guest’s lore? Cuz I have heard SO many things, first bro was a mascot, then a figment of imagination, then a entity, THEN a cult leader SOS :((

Also I remember that Hello Guest wasnt canon to the lore (I think?) idk about that

[limber ridge]

Hello Guest was an early build of HN2 really, so uncanon, though there was a tape of its ending in secret neighbor(which I'm not sure is there anymore because I don't have secret neighbor)

[limber ridge]

Oh and basically... We kind of don't know.
Like AS will explain him but we don't exactly know his identity and backstory, what we do know is:
He is a mascot for an amusement park, namely golden apple amusement park.
In HN3 prototype 3 it seems like he made some kind of pact with the citizens of Raven Brooks to do a festival with the statue in exchange for good weather, it worked until it was cancelled in 1980. (This lore isn't exactly set in stone as of now, because HN3 isn't completed.)

We know that in Hello Guest times, he was both a mascot for the park and Mr Peterson dressed in a suit, hiding from the police with his son in the park.
And we know that in Hello neighbor 2 alpha 1.5, he was a representation of bad weather as opposed to an actual, living person.

Also, as of now there's probably multiple Guests

[crude palm]

I remember now mad I was when people said Guest was Mr Peter son 💔
Also MULTIPLE?!?

[limber ridge]

Because, the Guest isn't supernatural(therefore no possession or anything like that), yet in a comic book we see the neighbour put on his costume, while we also see in HN2 that they are in the same place at almost the same time.

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure if there's like, in-universe more of them, or if there's just one and his real identity differs in between perspectives and what people think is the guest.

[crude palm]

There are so many versions 💔 I remember in a HN book Guest was a entity that took things away from people since bro believed they didn’t deserve it

[crude palm]

GOOD LORD the rabbit hole goes deeper

[limber ridge]

Yeah the Raven Brooks Disaster. The only book that I have.

[crude palm]

EPIC

So, would that mean every Guest is a canon Guest?

Since there are multiple versions as you said

[limber ridge]

Oh and HN3 Guest is also different from comic book and HN2 Guest because the creator of HN3 Guest doesn't know who HN2 Guest is.

[limber ridge]

Mb, but what exactly do you mean?

[crude palm]

Because like from what I’m getting Guest just somehow switches up every game, first they are this and the next second they are something else you know?

[limber ridge]

Well everything is canon, despite the differences, but not in a way we think.
So yeah all guests would be canon, but not necessarily there actually being more of them walking around, as I said could be different takes on the Guest.

Although, in the Raven Brooks Disaster we do see two guests.
One that caused the car of the protagonists to crash, and one that is like... Peterson to some extent(Peterson Guest is possibly a representation of Peterson being taken over by like, his loss and such but another book implies that he is the Guest too so...)

[crude palm]

So

• Guest originated from a amusement park
• The civilians are aware of them
• They are not supernatural
• A representation of bad weather
• there are multiple Guests
• Has beef with Mr Peterson

[crude palm]

EPIX

[limber ridge]

Representation of bad weather is from an older storyline so it might not be a thing for the current lore.

[crude palm]

I wished they would have made Guest a fully separate character instead of mixing and matching :/

[crude palm]

O OKAY

I can’t wait until Guest gets a offical rock solid lore drop in HN3 or smt

I LOVE Guest ever since the first game featuring them released

[limber ridge]

So supernatural doesn't necessarily mean human, he could be some sort of in universe creature, but it would mean he can't do stuff like, possession for example.

[crude palm]

OHH I get it! Yup that makes a lil more sense!

I Hope the lore is more direct soon, I love crow man ^^

[limber ridge]

Same, many love him.

[crude palm]

Thank ya for explaining it! I appreciate it man

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-neighbor2-guest-kra-gif-24906500

[spark tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor-2-ai-baby-meme-holding-laugh-remake-gif-6637651886856983277

[limber ridge]

The CEO of tinybuild said there "can only be one guest" I forgot to bring this up.

[crude palm]

Mine now thank ya

[limber ridge]

Np.

[crude palm]

WHO is POSSIBLY copying or trying to be The real Guest

[limber ridge]

Which makes me think the option of more than one interpretation of the guest rather than actually physical guests is closer to the truth.

[eager island]

aaron

[spark tulip]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2FuczZmOG8yMmc0YXhrNmV2MTdsMm15emc2aDF6bDB6dzRkeWg0diZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zkKjxsMTVsYaq3kjJi/giphy.gif

[crude palm]

Hmm I agree!! It would be funny if some citizens idolise Guest so much they Lowkey dressed up as them 💔

[limber ridge]

Heh...

[crude palm]

Wdym heh…

[limber ridge]

Yeah that would be really weird.

[crude palm]

MHM VERY weird… but I swear they exist SIGH

[limber ridge]

Imagine if there was some sort of cult that does that and also does rituals underground that affect the weather... That would be ridiculous wouldn't it?

[crude palm]

HEH… we willl see…

[limber ridge]

Yeah there is a whole cult of them

[crude palm]

I bet ❤️‍🩹

[spark tulip]

crazy.

[crude palm]

STOP WHAT

[wanton roost]

Give more

[crude palm]

I heard Guest Craw and Immediately locked in

[limber ridge]

They are called "The Raven Society", people that dress up in birdly outfits, seem to worship the Guest, and do these rituals with devices that grant them good luck, while cursing the town and the weather.

They are in the books, there they look more like plague doctors.

[crude palm]

OF COURSE I’m not surprised 💔

[limber ridge]

They are also in the animated series, where they look more like the guest.

(there are 7 written books, 2 comics and one animated series btw)

[crude palm]

The animated series made me so mad when they showed The Neighbour as Guest I was in pure rage

[limber ridge]

Huh?

The neighbour wasn't the guest in the animated series?

What do you mean exactly?

[crude palm]

Am I going crazy… I swear Mr Peterson in one episode in some kind of animated serious was Guest

Dressed up as him

[limber ridge]

Yeah, the games also, there they are pretty similar to the books, but have white beaks.

[limber ridge]

No he wasn't.
He didn't go to the ritual where they got expired iirc.

Gonna look at the epilogue again

Yeah no unless Gordon and Dale went all "wwwel what about Tavish he does ritual too"

Like I think that's the only reason he could have been arrested temporarily.

That's not how that works.

You say "music to my ears" when it's not literally music but it's still like, a pleasant sound to you

[solid swan]

thats supposedly intentional

[limber ridge]

Well yeah it's not really hard to think of that.
If they wanted to emphasize them worshipping the Guest.

Wait, "supposedly"?
Did Alex or anyone say that they tried to do that?

Make the cult look closer to the guest.

Yh I've seen it... The dreaded Guest giving the Trinity the coin...

[solid swan]

i also said supposedly because one of them can be the real guest in disguise, which has been long theorized.

[limber ridge]

The one from the typical Raven behaviour you mean?

What about them? Is it that they are referred to as the Guest there?

[solid swan]

in general, tho people talk about that specific cultist having a different looks, im sure its because the cultists design was different in the early stages of season 2.

[limber ridge]

Well then why look at teasers, when I can look at the actual episodes.

And also I do think it's like, on purpose because:

1. Probably to make us think they are the guest then to reveal otherwise and
2. To emphasize them worshipping the guest or smth.

[limber ridge]

The Guest can't really be fully a cult member in disguise, given that in season 3 we will see exactly how he came to be without a flashback so yeah.

[limber ridge]

Or like, some weirder cult member could be the guest before he actually becomes the guest.

Yeah, I mean someone that wears the cult outfit or smth of that sort.

That would be kinda funny ngl.

Idk what it could really show tbf.

Like in any case if Nikita wasn't filled in on HN2 Guest it probably means he isn't important

Even then if, let's assume the Guest is... Idk, Aaron or smth in both HN2 and HN3, they could still make different motivations for them and such.

Me personally I'd like it most if Nikita just does a seperate identity from HN2

[limber ridge]

(Aaron is just for a quick example btw before anyone jumps me)

No it's just an example.
I could have also said for example "say the guest is a supernatural entity in both"

Just an example for if both guests happened to have the same identity

Yeah I couldn't think of anything

Franklin, Teddy, whateve

Doesn't matter

[limber ridge]

I could have said a dog or smth

[wanton roost]

imbir vs skipper will fight in the movid

[limber ridge]

Dog is tuffer.

[charred wharf]

What is going on 😭

[limber ridge]

Imbir wins Def.

[charred wharf]

Why do ya'll have illegal animal fighting rings

[wanton roost]

win by sleeping

[limber ridge]

Because having a legal one would make it less thrilling!

[charred wharf]

😭?!

Dark are you feeling okay

[limber ridge]

So the mayor worships his dog and everyone worships his dog.

[charred wharf]

The Mayor needs to be sacrificed since he refuses to feed him

😒

yes!

this made me grow two new feathers

[wanton roost]

ikd im hte amoyr of arvne croobs

[charred wharf]

no you ain't 😒

[limber ridge]

No spam!

Delete one of those asap

Before no embeds

[charred wharf]

Dark... goodbye

[limber ridge]

You used up all your luck

But anyway, how I love HN lore!

[chrome maple]

i used to really like the hn lore

now its just really confusing

[wanton roost]

fnaf is too

and fnaf

sucks

[chrome maple]

oh yeah

[charred wharf]

I prefer HN over fnaf ngl

[wanton roost]

fr

[chrome maple]

i dont really remember much fnaf lore but it feels like it was better before security breach

[chrome maple]

same

[wanton roost]

the fnaf fans or cosplayers will jump u so be careful around these streets

[chrome maple]

i dont like the actual magic (?) in fnaf

[charred wharf]

😨

[chrome maple]

it shouldve just been that its paranormal for sake of being creepy

[wanton roost]

poppy playtime literally knows how to do their lore better than fnaf

[chrome maple]

it was really cool seeing actual characters in fnaf

like physically

[wanton roost]

The only problem about it is the damn factory being a castle kingdom

[dreamy sluice]

hn3 is a return to form trust

[chrome maple]

i basically dont know anything about poopy playtime

[wanton roost]

Good lore it's just unbelievable at times

that's what kind of makes it bad

[chrome maple]

i dont know anything about the lore

[wanton roost]

And the worst part is they are milking it

To a 6th

[dreamy sluice]

shii where is this from

[wanton roost]

ngl I don't rlly see the problem but if they keep dragging it to more chapters in the same game nope

[chrome maple]

then there are probably gonna be spin-offs and/or sequels

[wanton roost]

that's good

[chrome maple]

i think that stuff being told by different people who didnt rely on anyone else really makes the lore messier

like AS tells a kinda different story

and nikita wasnt involved with hn2 basically at all

[wanton roost]

Yeah ik from the ceo

But he left I think

[chrome maple]

i had no idea they were milking it that much

[wanton roost]

During the time

And lily wasn't actually meant to exist

And prototype was so different

[chrome maple]

i just get confused that "everything is canon"

i guess

i still dont really like the lore

i do not like the concept of a cult being the backbone of everything

[dreamy sluice]

nicky roth perspective trumps all the other ones, he's forever my goat

rescue fellas are all massive nerds

[chrome maple]

i wish the guest could just be some monster not related to anything

i havent read the books but ive heard that raven brooks was started by the cult

maybe the mayak has more importance than the cult i dont really know

but i love the mayak

probably due to nostalgia

[limber ridge]

I think it would make it pretty confusing if like...
We didn't get the explanation from Alex | CEO, or part of it even.

[upbeat harness]

Yo guys, which part of hello neighbor you love?

[chrome maple]

i just dont like stories about cults i guess i find it too generic?

yeah i know

i barely even think about the cult that often

[spark tulip]

HN2

[limber ridge]

The museum in HN2

[limber ridge]

Fortunately the cult is dead in HN3 and has like barely any importance as it seems.

[chrome maple]

it does have remnants still

like the celebration

what if the runes also had some significance to the cult?

yeah

i said that

yeah

but there are remnants of the forest protectors at least

[limber ridge]

Idk why does the celebration have to tie into the cult.

[chrome maple]

it celebrates the guest/forest dweller

[limber ridge]

Do we know that?

[limber ridge]

Yeah and the guest doesn't necessarily have to be cult related.
Like yeah they worship him but for all we know he is just whatever about them, maybe uses them sometimes sabotages them.

[chrome maple]

maybe the town celebration isnt even related to the cult anymore and has just become a tradition

[chrome maple]

true

[limber ridge]

Any examples?

[chrome maple]

i always think of the guest as the mastermind behind the cult for some reason

[limber ridge]

Well yeah, it was kind of a public thing it seems.

[chrome maple]

what if some of the residents dont really know about the cult at all

[limber ridge]

Sosed and historian are the only ones I feel like do, maybe the Vandals.

[chrome maple]

yeah

i feel like janusz could be old enough to at least have heard of the cult

oh yeah the sacrifice i completely forgot about that

[limber ridge]

Yeah, that is if the cult even is like, a thing in HN3 which I think is possible it's not
Not in the sense they don't even exist, in the sense that the story doesn't focus on them.

[chrome maple]

of course it can

[limber ridge]

Well it can, just in very subtle ways.

Like ways that wouldn't even necessarily need an explanation.

[chrome maple]

it feels like the story of hn3 is becoming more focused on now with iris being removed

cause that was only because of the story

[limber ridge]

Yeah pre-alpha is kind of a lot about the story.

An horizontal cut

About pre-alpha

[limber ridge]

Wait was that really a Mandela effect? I'm trying to search and I can't find the cult being not there in HN3?

I refuse to believe that was just MandelaLilly effect.

Wait what was the topic exactly.

[limber ridge]

I still need to find the statement where the cult is around no longer...

Why is it so hard

I mean, it's not like HN3 will have much focus on the cult.

Just small details or smth.

I just remember it being there and I can't find it.

It's not really related to this specific topic ig?

Maybe
What I really care is if it was actually there?

[eager island]

i think theres cult-ish things but not about FPs

nikita is usually not using FPs in his storylines

eitherway

the all of the citizens is kinda cultist now

they all see the guest as a god

[eager island]

its more like a meta thing if you ask me

[chrome maple]

what do the runes even mean if anything?

[eager island]

well

so you can interpret it in many ways

[chrome maple]

oh yeah

dont runes have multiple meanings?

[full crown]

Is there any good currently "accurate" lore timeline?

[eager island]

yep it really depends on how you interpret it

[chrome maple]

alr

[eager island]

i dont think hn franchise can have a full timeline

[eager island]

but you can still do have ideas about things

its more like prophecy for me

foreshadowing if you will

[eager island]

*Gebo - represents a sacred bond or exchange,
the town made some kind of ancient agreement with the creature (an offering, deal, or mutual relationship)

Wunjo - after the pact, the town experienced peace, joy, and prosperity
this was the creature’s “gift” in return

Raidho - symbolizes a repeating journey or seasonal cycle
this hints that the festival was originally a yearly ritual meant to maintain the pact and keep the balance (the game itself implies that festival was a town tradition until 1980)

reversed laguz - represents the moment the flow broke
the pact was forgotten, abandoned, or disrupted
this led to a period of chaos, misfortune, disappearances, sickness, or supernatural disturbances in the town
(the cancelling of festival in 1980 and afterwars)

upright laguz - the purpose of the statue and the festival becomes clear here
the ritual was revived to restore the flow and reconnect with the creature
it brought partial harmony back but the balance is fragile (the reviving of festival in 2028)*

for example thats how i interpret the runes on the statue

in short the creature and the town had a pact, the pact brought years of joy and prosperity, renewed each "cycle"
but when the ritual/festival was broken the flow collapsed and misfortune struck
the statue and the festival were recreated to restore the old balance

[ripe berry]

yo chat, what did I miss

[limber ridge]

I think you can but I honestly doubt there is an actual planned, objective narrative.

I think there is a narrative just for each take as opposed to the whole franchise

[ripe berry]

yeah, the one Guest thing is a problem because of the "Guest seems to be based off different information everytime they appear" issue
like even saying "one Guest at a time" feels almost like a copout to allow for HN2 and GN2 to work together

[ripe berry]

and there's some kind of plan to allow for everything to fit together in one world using the Mayak Weather Station

the two theories I see working with what we know are HNLoop (or variants) and Campfire Stories

(Campfire Stories being where everything is a story told years after the fact like in tha one HN3 Prototype 3 Ending)

[ripe berry]

HN Loop works better with what HE, Puzzle Master, and RD tell us
Meanwhile Campfire Stories fits better with Nikita's storytelling methods (preferring grounded stories)

at the moment I've been focusing more on the HN Loop stuff, but if I were to use Campfire Stories I'd probably use it to explain away the issues between versions of the Guest

I mean, sometimes. like how WtRB is pre-loop but also got some perspective stuff going on because there's no way a pre-loop Ted could possibly build the Act 3 House

[limber ridge]

Would a post loop Ted be able to?

Well.
I guess he did make a time machine so yeah.

[ripe berry]

depends

I mean he built a massive underground amusement park with scraps from the GAAP in Book 3

[limber ridge]

That one scrapped NPC from HN2 must be really jealous huh?

[ripe berry]

and tbh campfire stories stuff feels like a copout

[limber ridge]

Ehh.
We've had perspective stuff(campfire stories kinda gets is part of this isn't it?) since as early as alpha 2 of HN1 and it continued to HN1, HaS, SN, HE and HN2 alphas.

[ripe berry]

I was just saying as the main explanation Campfire Stories feels like it'd be a copout

[ripe berry]

funny thing is from a quick search some form of Time Loops is actually an ANCIENT theory
but back in 2021 it was "Timelines"

[limber ridge]

I think I've seen you type it lol.

[ripe berry]

yeah I think when Hello Engineer was a new thing I ended up reaching a similar conclusion

but at some point the community drifted away from it... only to now be back at using it
time is a circle

[limber ridge]

What did the community drift to, if anything at all?

Time split?

[ripe berry]

...old lore/new lore...

[ripe berry]

predates Reset Day's release even it seems

[limber ridge]

Was HE before or after RD?

[ripe berry]

(only was searching for that because I was looking to see if anyone reached the Campfire Stories kind of conclusion back in the day)

[ripe berry]

after

RD was 2021

HE was part of a stadia exclusive launch in 2022

then he worldwide release in 2023

[limber ridge]

Wait then where did the time loop idea even come from?

HaS?

[ripe berry]

although... this actually makes Time Loops less likely now that I think about it
Time Loops was a majority theory back when Nikita was working on HN2, yet he claims the people close to an answer for the lore was in a minority...

[ripe berry]

then again it depends on what he's using as a reference point
is he comparing to 2021 HN Community or 2024 HN Community

[glacial whale]

Oh boy the timelines stuff. I always hated that because it was stated to me as if it was fact rather than theory. I recall asking once and all I got was “inconsistencies” and didn’t really elaborate further.

[ripe berry]

yeah fair
that I'd say is a major reoccuring problem with this chat

treating theories as proven facts

[ripe berry]

happened back then
happened with Manifestations
etc. etc.

[limber ridge]

What would 2024 make perspective theory?
I was looking through older convos and it was kinda, majorish ig?

[limber ridge]

Happened with ancient curse

[ripe berry]

old lore/new lore too

[limber ridge]

Apparently arguing against it was like "looking at a rock and saying it's not".

[limber ridge]

It kinda mellowed out didn't it?

Like as of now I haven't seen it that much.
Best was like "there's no way the guest is a human" but that felt more like a hyperbole.

[ripe berry]

na I don't think perspectives was major in 2024
at least not under the name perspectives

Old Lore/New Lore was the major thing in 2024

Timelines (Proto-HNLoop Theory) was major thing in 2021
Old Lore/New Lore was major thing in 2024

[ripe berry]

(if anything fighting against it (at least in context of AS-Games) was the common thing in 2024)

[limber ridge]

This was kinda perspectivey no?

One of the first theories within Nikita's statement.

[ripe berry]

Perspectives also did exist in some form in 2021 (a deleted user had made a whole copypasta on why they hated timelines and proposed an early version of perspectives)

[ripe berry]

to be fair I was also grouping time loops into the no multiverse stuff at the time so I was bouncing to the only thing I really could think of left to explain everything...

[limber ridge]

Okay yeah fair

Oh

Well this was also kinda close

(no ping ofc)

[ripe berry]

no wait no
it was the "nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural" statement that made me bounce to perspectives

like I was throwing out Loop Theory then until I remembered the nothing in RB is supernatural statement

[limber ridge]

Wait was timelines theory like, that time resets or just that there's more timelines?

[glacial whale]

I remember once being told a long time ago “multiple timelines” but I don’t remember the context

[ripe berry]

upon further investigation Timelines seems to be the original multiverse theory...?

[limber ridge]

HN1 and HaS are barely any different ngl.
Lest im missing smth?

[ripe berry]

but then they grouped in Time Loops under the same name?

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's what I got too.
Time split or mayak split or whatever.

[ripe berry]

(as per this: #lore-discussion message)

[limber ridge]

Could I get an example?

[ripe berry]

but simultaneously #lore-discussion message

so time loops and timelines were different but some people grouped them togetther

[limber ridge]

Yeah this talk really makes me wanna go through the whole channel and see evolution of theories and stuff

(kraze productions, the guy that made the cool HN3 guest theory is one of the ogs apparently so I know how to get to the beginning)

Well, the portrayal is different because of imagination yeah, but that's kinda shown in the game really.
There's like no differences in events or stuff like that afaik.

[ripe berry]

yeah, actually seems kinda fun
there's actually 2 servers though (this one and the old Hello Neighbor Server) though I must note

[limber ridge]

Yup, I got a link from Dark to that one

I'll begin from there I think.

Of course, theories are spread across multiple channels too.

Like I'm pretty sure on this server Lore discussion came a few years after the HN channel so I'd imagine lore was there too.

And there still is lore there as well.

[ripe berry]

not to mention if a theory uses a common word (like timelines) to refer to itself then it's hard to identify when it's being referenced and when they're just using the word normally

[limber ridge]

Okay but... Even the characters for example are portrayed very similarly.
Peterson is a guy with a tragic backstory and with issues in HN1, in HaS we just see him before most of them get to kick in.

Idk what is shown differently.
Like yeah in stage 5 of HaS everything is twisted and the house is much larger than in HN1 or even than in earlier stages.

This is kind of an issue with perspective theory actually when you think about it.

[limber ridge]

Like HN1, HaS, SaR, even HN2, all fit mostly, so much I can't really recall any differences.
Meanwhile, Trinity's perspective has a bunch of differences.
So yeah that's kind of a thing that needs a seperate explanation.

[limber ridge]

(like time loops)

I know. But it's kind of how it is with some stuff, like AS and HN1 for example.

[ripe berry]

yeah now that I think about it

[limber ridge]

Unless, AS has more stuff distorting it? Like besides memory, there would also be imagination and symbolical?

Not if we'd use smth else to complement perspective.

[limber ridge]

Would this work at all?

Oh. True.

[ripe berry]

I think we straight up just called HNHS, HN1, SAR, and HN2 the real events to get around that problem

[limber ridge]

HN2, even if distorted by interpretation and such, would probably still be rather accurate as it's from the perspective of an adult.

Act 1 we kinda got confirmation were the real events

SaR can't really be the true events because of the guest now can it.

[ripe berry]

I was explaining how under perspectives we tried to explain away HNHS, HN1, HNVR, and HN2 fitting mostly despite clearly being from different perspectives

[limber ridge]

Everything else can fit though.

[ripe berry]

Time Loops explains how everything works better
(it's not confirmed but it does fit better then just perspectives)

[limber ridge]

From SaR, everything else can be pretty accurate if we ignore the Guest doing supernatural stuff.

[ripe berry]

and Campfire Stories also works

[limber ridge]

Ignore was a wrong word.
I meant, if we call it symbolism/imagination.

[glacial whale]

I remember back then I had always hoped that if HN went down the route with time stuff that it wouldn’t be just separate timelines not connected but rather timelines that happen after each other from the time loops or reset day. I’m not an expert on the lore only reading the books once but I never really liked the time stuff because I feel it’s overused in a lot of stuff today and I just really prefer it to all be connected. I think I was trying to find any excuse to not accept the neighbor multiverse stuff in general. I hope that makes sense and sorry if the topic has moved on.

[limber ridge]

Like, the kids for example see the Guest as a supernatural creature or something of that sort.

[limber ridge]

Fortunately for you, multiverse is dead.

[ripe berry]

and right now that's our current theory
Time Loops with a throughline of certain characters remembering and knowing

[limber ridge]

although, AS is supposed to explain the Guest under a non-supernatural lens so uhh...
Oh, it might also mean that in the future, when Trinity grows up she understands and is able to rationalise the Guest and such.

[ripe berry]

evolving from GavinTheKing's Stage Play Theory from 2024 https://docs.google.com/document/d/15H6d6o9x9KPWlWkfTHauWoY91CS6ow3Ay49r169X7NY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[limber ridge]

This is for anyone that also feels like going through the history of lore discussion.

As for the old one I low-key feel like I can just scroll up to it

[ripe berry]

so Timelines is the prototype MayakSplit/HNMultiverse theory

tinyCro at one point suggested Time Loops but idk where

[ripe berry]

the biggest problem perspectives has is actually the Mayak
How does Mayak explain perspectives away?
Time Loops has Weather causing loops
Campfire Stories has Mayak Storm wiping the town off the map causing people to not be able to verify what happened there

I was saying that by itself perspectives can not explain how "Mayak will explain everything" or whatever Nikita said

yeah
some theories just do not work perfectly by themselves
(for instance with just HN Loop you could easily be convinced AS is the final loop despite evidence placing it as part of before loops due to the Act 3 House)

[limber ridge]

Also, AS doesn't have like any hints to Sosed knowing the future, as opposed to the books, and we also see Teddy be happy when the amusement park opens, as opposed to how stressed he is in the books.

So if we would use just time loops, I think the most accurate version of events would be like:

1. Games.
2. AS.
3. Books.

How many time loops do you think there are and what do they contain?

Hm? Could you elaborate?

So more like reset day than like continuities being separated right?

In Reset day it's like, smaller changes and more often.

[dense raven]

Why is Mayak called Mayak anyway

Russian for "Lighthouse"

[limber ridge]

Because it's so cool

[dense raven]

Yeah but why lighthouse

Lighthouse, beacon, whatever

[limber ridge]

There's also like a nuclear facility named mayak.

[dense raven]

That probably

Just not in the way we think

[limber ridge]

Lighthouses are supposed to like warn people of dangerous coastlines and stuff, which could like, connect to how mayak is supposed to find the cause of the weather

[limber ridge]

And also, I'm pretty sure the eyeball came from another building too

[unkempt sleet]

Can i say "How far would you go to free yourself from an inescapable fate" kinda alludes to that

[limber ridge]

True, it would.

But still less hints that the books have.
So games have none(afaik).
AS has a few.
Books emphasize more.

[fickle garden]

He was talking about his electricity bill he had a roller coaster attached to his house.

[ripe berry]

so Games -> AS -> Books -> HN3 is the current setup?

[limber ridge]

Nah.
That would be if perspective and campfire stories weren't included.
With those, I'd say it's like:
Some Games + AS
Books + some Games
HN3.

[ripe berry]

there is one thing I'd label as a potential hint in games-related lore
RBBArchives and YTber Package has duplicate articles that aren't exactly the same
#lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

on second thought Games -> AS -> Books -> HN3 actually does make the most sense though

this.

[limber ridge]

Wait okay so like...
Some games
AS and some games.
Books and maybe some games.
And then HN3?

[limber ridge]

To this mostly

[ripe berry]

also HNVR has hints

#lore-discussion message

[unkempt sleet]

clocks...

[ripe berry]

Theodore trapped in a clock bear trap
Diane and Mya Mannequins inside a clock

[unkempt sleet]

bigges clock in the room being the room Finch and Maritza is trapped in

With the town imagery aswell

[ripe berry]

the screaming at your face time loop hint

[unkempt sleet]

and storms

yea

[limber ridge]

Before this the order I went with was:
Loop 1: GN1, HaS, HN1, HN2, AS and HE
Loop 2: SaR, SN, books and HND
Loop 3: HN3.

[unkempt sleet]

and the fact that you can access the inner workings of the clock through Guest...

[ripe berry]

now...? no clue the exact order

[ripe berry]

and in Reset Day the Guest is the one behind the loooop

[unkempt sleet]

truest

[limber ridge]

But as Mr Apple said, that line from Sosed could hint at AS not being the first loop.

And also the newspapers in RBBA

[ripe berry]

so the exact order of things is unclear

[limber ridge]

Hmm..
HN1 and HaS I think have to be in the first loop, along with GN1 and HE.
AS and HN2 in their own loop, with some of SN.
SaR, books and some of SN in the next loop.
And finally HN3.
Does this make sense?

[ripe berry]

my current thing is:
Preloop: HNHS -> Act 1 -> Act 2 -> HE -> Act 3 + Finale
Loop 1(?): WtRB
Loop 2(?): Aaron Trilogy -> Nicky Trilogy -> HNVR -> GN2 -> SN -> HND -> Reset Day
Loop 3(?) -> HN3

HN2 is Idk what loop

[limber ridge]

I think AS would work.

[ripe berry]

possibly Loop 1
possibly Loop 2

[limber ridge]

Since they wanted to tie those two.

[limber ridge]

As for The time loop happening so late after Sosed discovered how to make them in HE...

[ripe berry]

Movie, and the other thing™ are Idk what loop

[limber ridge]

Maybe the grand storms destroyed his time machine so he had to restart progress on it?

[limber ridge]

Okay, the movie I wanna put into AS just because when asked about the movie's continuity, Alex said it's a matter of perspective, so that's my personal theory until the release.

Just to put it somewhere as opposed to having it float in the forge of creation.

[ripe berry]

until we learn more on what the other thing™ is we just kinda have it floating in the void

[limber ridge]

Also wasn't the other thing like, console update for HN1? Or are those separate?

[ripe berry]

unclear

[limber ridge]

me when the other thing is another rescue squad spin off:

[marsh idol]

what do yall think about this guys claim

https://www.reddit.com/r/HelloNeighborGame/s/HEWXrZrk0a

[limber ridge]

It's dead wrong, Nikita is allowed to have his own seperate take just like Alex and Carly.

[ripe berry]

although at the same time saying WtRB isn't the first loop causes weirdness with Nicky's Eye Color (why is it Blue turning Brown in WtRB but just Brown elsewhere?)

[ripe berry]

...time to stop downloading Stardew Valley and log onto reddit to voice my opinion on this there.

[limber ridge]

It's the kind of thing that is kinda pointless for the whole franchise but can show stuff for the specific continuity it is in.

[limber ridge]

Ooh.

Go for it Mike!

[limber ridge]

Like for the overall franchise, Trinity already depicts Nicky as a lot more care-free than he is in say, the books or games.

So she could have seen his eye colour like that at first and then it transitioned to brown.

[ripe berry]

(my opinion is that this isn't bad writing, this is just what happens when different writers have different takes on the story)

[ripe berry]

Nikita's version of the HN World doesn't care about real world locations

Nikita's Raven Brooks falls under the same thing as Springfield (from the Simpsons)
it's meant to be able to be theoretically anywhere in the world

[limber ridge]

Well, character-day-8999 is now able to see my thought.

[ripe berry]

where is Raven Brooks in Nikita's eyes (at least for HN3)? Wherever you grew up, wherever you have nostalgic memories of a time that you can never return to.

you got my upvote

[limber ridge]

Y'all got my upvote

[dense raven]

rescue squad is like Susie FNAF

[dense raven]

think it's pretty stupid and out of context

like of all times to address certain iffy points and of all things it's this

(unless it's satire???)

[ripe berry]

afk

[limber ridge]

It's got a discussion f...
Whatever it was called.
As opposed to a meme or anything.

Anyone can help me?

[limber ridge]

Flag?

How did i forget that?

[dense raven]

Because Hello Neighbor is a bad game and the developers made everything bad to sell it to children

and they purposely scammed people with HN2 trailers

and someone from tinyBuild tagged Matpat

which means we should hate it for another eon

!!!!

[limber ridge]

(he even apologized lol)

Also funny thing is Matt kinda did a similar thing

[dense raven]

honestly it's really tiring because like

[limber ridge]

He tagged some people over wanting to be In their show

What people responded with was "Well MatPat makes good content unlike those scum from HN!"

[dense raven]

like no other "mascot horror" nowadays has it so shortcomings are brought up this many times

especially something like this

...twitter posts.

[near sparrow]

What is this loop thing y'all are talking about?

[limber ridge]

It's not even like, a bad thing to do ngl.

Like it's a little cringe yeah.
But MatPat could just choose not to respond...

That's my last word on the topic

[near sparrow]

So this is like explaning why the games, books, and AS are different?

[eager island]

alex

[near sparrow]

Wow, that was deep

Now I kinda understand it, it really makes much sense

[ripe berry]

this is by far the most organized thing we have

[marsh idol]

okay guys the hello neighbor doc will never come out i highkey forgot someone else make one

[safe idol]

Hello

[crude palm]

Hello Neighbour has the most confusing lore I swear, I thought at first it was just some father harbouring guilt for his family members deaths... NOW THERE ARE TIME LOOPS??

[glacial whale]

I think it’s mostly theory except that one book that brings up resets or something like that. Not that it’s a bad or far fetched theory I think it’s just what people are trying to make sense of what’s been given over the years.

[safe idol]

Hi

[dreamy sluice]

the sad fact people believe this slop

[daring wasp]

Am I the only one who thinks most of the hello neighbor games are good?

[crude palm]

ITS A THEROY?? I'm tweaking at this point

[dreamy sluice]

man, i wonder what the book is called... restart evening or something...

[glacial whale]

Yea I’m pretty sure a bulk of it is

[glacial whale]

Yes restart something was it for sure

[crude palm]

Three whole games + books + animated series and the lore is still not rock solid..

[glacial whale]

Yea it’s incredible that we have all the main games and spin-offs plus the books and novels along with the show and eventually a movie and the lore still doesn’t make sense to try to follow and connect… I don’t know but I don’t look too much into it like I used to due to all the constant changes.

[keen basin]

lowkey I think its worse than fnaf

cause I feel like fnaf you can see sort of story beats and the direction of things, hello neighbor just kina goes with the flow

and the flow is very confusing

[keen basin]

I slightly feel like a small problem could come up of people being so confident in things lore just how they say things that if its dead wrong it could be hard to let go

but thats more of an issue with FNAF because of so many fundamentals being headcannon and less creator communication

[limber ridge]

Similar to something...

[glacial whale]

I don’t get it

[glacial whale]

I just didn’t get what it’s similar to

[unkempt sleet]

Finally decided to take a look at that document after seeing it alot and oh my god

I really like this connection even if its most definitely unintentional

[limber ridge]

Fnaf.

Bingo

[dense raven]

some can be "good" in a near complete vacuum

HN2 isn't all that bad when you don't have the hanging promise of neural network ai and open world over you

can't say the same for HN1 though

[limber ridge]

I've heard there was a statement like a bunch of years ago that episode 2 of AS would be the intro of HN2? Anyone know where it was?

[chrome maple]

yeah i think ive heard about that too

[dense raven]

episode 2???

what season

[limber ridge]

It was like after the pilot and before the full show.

[dense raven]

could it be scrapped

[limber ridge]

Definetely was.

Wait actually i kinda wanna check smth.

Okay, here it was!

"essentially" hmm

[glacial whale]

Oh I don’t follow that one so I didn’t get it then.

[limber ridge]

I used to follow it, from what i Heard stuff still isn't clear, but it is much worse than HN ngl.

That's my last word on fnaf for this week on this channel.

[limber ridge]

The GAAP can't get chill in the books.

First it gets rushed, then cursed, then it gets burned down, then it gets demolished.

[limber ridge]

And then they can't even let it die in peace since they're kinda digging it up in Reset Day.

Yeah.

The reopening from AS?

I know, i was asking If You meant that gaap being dug up in RD tied to the AS reopening.

Speaking of reset day...

"what If Ted Peterson isn't gone?" He said before he was shot 72 times.

I still find that pretty strange.

[limber ridge]

(for context, in reset day prologue an Earth pro worker asks that question and right then a crow passed by them and an earthquake starts and another worker gets swallowed by the ground)

He just asks about Teddy and suddenly the devil îs out to get him.

[charred wharf]

I just came here

are you serious 😭

if so im reading the reset day just for this that made me laugh a bit

[limber ridge]

Well, no idea.
Perhaps the Voice was lying to me? Why don't you go check?

(yeah it happened)

[charred wharf]

Awh mannn

😭

dude.

what makes it worse is that I can imagine things vividly

thanks Frigid.

[limber ridge]

Have You checked?

[charred wharf]

not yet because I am scared of what else I might read in there

[limber ridge]

C'mon it's just like, idk how many pages but it's like 4 Minutes în or smth, what bad can happen?

I can't remember If they were thinking he died or just went missing, i'm pretty sure it was the latter.

[limber ridge]

It's even funnier how the narrator kinda goes "it was at this moment, that he knew, he messed up"

[limber ridge]

Burning wood...

[limber ridge]

Despite that Bruce and Hal deny those...

Which is interesting

[stoic juniper]

Hal from angry birds?

[ripe berry]

Theodore Peterson building a robot crow from the taxidermy he stole in WtRB Ep. 3 that will unleash a Mayak Storm on the exact location of anyone who dares suggest he's still alive:

[limber ridge]

Yes, and Bruce Wayne from DC.
They are in the Lore now.

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Can't have anyone spoil his actual introduction in the book.

[dense raven]

MITH's car kinda looks like a 1988 Chrysler Fifth Avenue imo

[chrome maple]

his car kinda looks like a hello neighbor car imo

[dense raven]

sherlock!!!

is that meant to be a fnaf reference

got murked

Mayor passed a new law he's the only one who's allowed to have dogs

that's what happened to Gerda's dog

that's why he got demoted

dang

that's kinda cute actually

[limber ridge]

Wait why does bro even steal crow taxidermy.

What's he gonna do with it? Decour his house?
Or is he just schizo and thinks they have coins or smth in them?(Okay to be fair that wouldn't be too far off)

Is he gonna feed it to Aaron?(Why bro You got chinese food and bone broth those should be good enough)

Or does he eat it?

(plot twist: the Guest is actually gonna be a mutated crow and Teddy just wants to kill every crow and prevent the cult from making the guest)

[limber ridge]

The cartoon does stuff differently from the game anyway but even then, the cartoon doesn't even confirm that.

What would Franklin even want from Nicky?

[dapper arch]

Nicky is the one who set aaron free in the cartoon so it could be revenge issues or something

[eager island]

franklin isnt the thing

the thing is metaphorical representation of fear and trauma in games and symbol of nicky's fears in AS

[dapper arch]

In the part where mr peterson goes down to the tunnels underneath his school he gets ambushed by a bunch of kids that push his brother off a dam like structure then he reappears as the entity

[fickle garden]

I thought the thing was just a regular guy who happened to be bullying Nicky?

[eager island]

its just a shadow

[dapper arch]

But what if the shadow plays a bigger part then we know of

Like who is the one that knocks us unconscious in HN2 at the end

[eager island]

a cultist

the thing isnt even a thing characters can see

only player is seeing it

[limber ridge]

The characters feel him

[eager island]

the irl player

not nicky

[dapper arch]

The neighbor didnt get scared of the cultist and thats weird cuz the neighbor is trying to end the cult

[limber ridge]

He didn't get scared because he can mog them.

[dapper arch]

And if so doesnt that mean that aaron was taken by the cult

[limber ridge]

Also so what If he wants to end them, why does that mean he needs to be scared?

[dapper arch]

And how could he have mogged them he was trapped under a giant Bird

??

[eager island]

maybe but its not a important thing anymore because that storyline is unfinished

[dapper arch]

The cults main goal is to fix the logden payol i think

The golden apple amusnent park

[limber ridge]

Oh you're talking about the HN2 ending.
Well.
It doesn't even mean anything because we know due to a video on tinybuild's channel, it was named layoutv2 or something of that sort that shows what happened after the ending.

[wanton roost]

No

[dapper arch]

Thats literally where we first meet the guest

[wanton roost]

they malfunction the park to kill people

[limber ridge]

Hello Guest?

[wanton roost]

Hello guest isn't canon I don't think.

[dapper arch]

And in the cartoon we see the guests fixing or rigging the rides

[limber ridge]

That's not canon. It's just early HN2.

[limber ridge]

We see them sabotage the rides iirc

[wanton roost]

It's literally sabotaging

They unscrew the rides

That's not fixing

[dapper arch]

That would make sense since the mayor is trying to reopen the amusement park and also since the mayor is part of the cult

[wanton roost]

yeh

[limber ridge]

They want to reopen it specifically for the accidents.

[wanton roost]

so they can gain luck

[dapper arch]

But what does the coins have to do with this

[wanton roost]

To give them bad luck and replace it with the cult getting good luck

I think

[dapper arch]

Hmm so does that mean that the main center piece is the amusement park

[wanton roost]

I mean I feel like the cult originally handed out coins to kill people cuz its a curse but it would bring so much luck if they do it in a populated area

[dapper arch]

What if the amusement park are in HN3 is going to be the golden apple amusment park in HN3

[limber ridge]

It will.

It is.

[dapper arch]

Anywayz got to go seeya guys

[limber ridge]

Bye

[dapper arch]

Was nice lore discussing with you

[wanton roost]

What do u mean like if gaap and hn3 gaap is the same?

[dapper arch]

Its just a theory

[wanton roost]

ohh

I think it's the same

[limber ridge]

No it's not.
It's fact pretty much.

[dapper arch]

Peace

[wanton roost]

The gaap in AS is on a hill right?

[limber ridge]

Idk.

It wouldn't even matter that much given that the maps are different.

[wanton roost]

True

[dapper arch]

[wanton roost]

Especially neighbors house

(I think it's rebuilt according to reset day idk)

[limber ridge]

Yeah.
In reset day it's there but it's kinda messy already.

[untold lagoon]

Stop ragebait

[limber ridge]

NOT ragebait.

[untold lagoon]

Bro he always like this

He always interrupt serious talks

[limber ridge]

There's a difference between a joke and ragebait

[untold lagoon]

With not funny joke probably ragebait

[wanton roost]

Theo will ragebait in the discord chat

[untold lagoon]

Why

[limber ridge]

Yes that is his ultimate goal.

[limber ridge]

Pretty sure it's because of that being the channel banner

So If they don't put a thumbnail it's like that.

[wanton roost]

I wonder if pre alpha comes out will there be a new devlog or just a release video like prototype 2

[limber ridge]

Wait did prototype 2 not have a devlog?

Oh yeah

[wanton roost]

Nah

[limber ridge]

Can we see some lore tonight?

[ripe berry]

church looks like this in 2028

[glacial whale]

Is this the same church we seen before or is that too unknown right now

[ripe berry]

unknown, but I'd assume Raven Brooks only has one church unless otherwise stated

also I admit I was wrong on one thing I believed
The Stranger is not a blank canvas with some backstory for why they're in Raven Brooks

[fickle garden]

They went to Raven Brooks to try the food I heard it's really good.

[limber ridge]

You have been lied to.

I think

[dense raven]

Stranger finding Quentin hugged to death in church: https://tenor.com/view/jon-arbuckle-nermal-trash-can-the-garfield-show-gif-9365086984229579073

I'm glad to see that the parkour course is gone

[tiny verge]

Quentin probably did escape

though that's only if that cut Act 2 cutscene is still canon

if not he may be dead

[dense raven]

mostly just joking

but the guy really needs a break from all the passing out

[tiny verge]

insert him waking up breathing heavily from a nightmare (it wasn't a nightmare he really did get kidnapped by a cult but he refuses to admit it as real)

[dense raven]

waking up on his bed after a fatal injury to the head just to see his office monitors show a new place (farmer dlc unlocked!!!)

[tiny verge]

this is Quentin after he escaped the cult, he quit his job as an investigative journalist and bought land

he now farms in peace for the rest of his life

ngl though I wouldn't be surprised if he did quit after that whole mess

[limber ridge]

Lol

[tiny verge]

great minds think alike

[dense raven]

and Aaron changes his legal name to Norman Darby and-

[wanton roost]

I was also thinking the same

[dreamy sluice]

fatal

[limber ridge]

Ngl i do like the time loop not being a thing anymore in HN3 because otherwise it'd kinda mean the town never got away from it and the events do just repeat nonstop or smth.

[dense raven]

they still do on a meta level...!!!!

[limber ridge]

Meta level is good.

In-universe it would be too much time loops.

[dense raven]

I think any amount of time loops is too much time loops

[limber ridge]

Same.

[dense raven]

kinda a shame that this is the final outcome though

[limber ridge]

It's a bit too... Exagerated

[dense raven]

after all the struggles to expose the forest protectors or to convince Theodore not to flood the town

the forest protectors still persisted for a long while and the town still got flooded

[limber ridge]

Tbf i wouldn't really say that's a time loop problem.

[dense raven]

true

[limber ridge]

Like, assuming all the books are the same time loop which i'd argue so

[dense raven]

but when the events are looping for the characters in it to find the best outcome it's kinda sad when it's like

not it

[limber ridge]

(not as many differences in between them as in between the games, AS and them)

[limber ridge]

Then the cult has persisted despite the time reset.

If anything the books and AS being separated by possibly the loops would allow for at least AS and games even to have cult be gone as early as the 90s

(unfortunately it's unlikely that cult will go down in AS due to HN2 still having them)

[dense raven]

tbf they have a lot of members

my bet is Abenante dying

[limber ridge]

Who do you think would kill her though, the guest or Teddy?

[dense raven]

dunno actually

[limber ridge]

I think I'd like it more If it was Teddy's job.

[limber ridge]

He has the same shoes as the forest dweller.
I'm so good at connections!!!!

[little rampart]

yeah

nah but it looks fire

WAIT HELLO NEIGHBOR SHOES ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE MADE OF CARDBOARD DID SOMEONE SAW IT?

BRO I JUST WANNATO GET OUT OF HERE HE IS LOOKING AT ME SOOOOOO SCARY NOT GONNA LIE

[limber ridge]

I would have liked it so much more if instead of reset day we got a Peterson trilogy about the island.

Although it would be unfinished...
And that'd suck a lot more than reset day being left on a cliffhanger.

I guess though, they kinda were preparing the game about that no? So it would be a little bit redundant i guess.

[ripe berry]

yeah
although I hope after RD Trilogy (if it's ever finished) we get a Graphic Novel 3 about the Island

[limber ridge]

That would be cool too.

Also the graphic novels we got have kind of been about Peterson when You think about it.

[ripe berry]

yeah, it'd work nicely if you think about it, each GN tying back to the trilogy before it

GN1 - expands on Ted's Theme Park Career established by Nicky Trilogy

GN2 - expands on the Mayak Weather Station established within Aaron Trilogy

GN3 - Would show origins of the time resets in Reset Day

and in a way it'd just be an Out of Order Theodore Peterson Trilogy
GN1 -> GN3 -> GN2

although I know this'll never happen

[limber ridge]

Absolute cinema.

[ripe berry]

plus it'd make the island story they wrote for HE and teased not be all for nothing

[limber ridge]

Yeah they have been writing it for a while huh

I wonder how long exactly..
It was at least all the way back in 2018 iirc..

[limber ridge]

"it was an accident. I don't see what good it does, blaming me. I can't change the past"

[limber ridge]

This order would also be so cool because in GN1 Teddy says the line i just said above, before he figures out there might be a way to change the past after he learns of the time loops on the island.
Then, later in GN2 he yet again says "You can't change the past, can You?" So it would be like kind of a return to start, except in GN2 he is a lot more evil rather than in GN1 where he is sort of calm and upset about it(when he says it at least)

[limber ridge]

Speaking of GN1, that depiction of Ted is really funny when compared to AS for example.

In AS he takes down an irelevant amount of cops in a few seconds

In GN1 he gets stepped on by a teen girl.

[wicked heath]

AS buffed the hell out of him

[limber ridge]

And also gets his fingers kicked by her iirc

And also gets flash banged by a camera 😭

Though it kind of lines up with what Nikita was thinking of portraying him.

[wicked heath]

Not sure if its a good thing, personally I feel like its turning him into a more one-dimensional character

Strong is fine, but like denting the bars of his cell??

[limber ridge]

Yeah fair it's a bit too much

Still though Armen Taylor is goated

[dense raven]

to be fair not really

it's not on full display at all times

he rarely actually uses that strength

his main feats are still engineering skillz and being crafty as heck

[limber ridge]

We'll also see him do some sneaking around presumably

[dense raven]

I think it's overall okay as it kinda puts the stakes high up again

he's actually made out to be a threat, you sure know stuff will be going down when the guy threw around like five cops

[dreamy sluice]

actually, hn2 buffed the hell out of him and AS made the design change canon

which is 0/10

he should have a beer belly

and drink excessively

and beat his son

[dense raven]

Arch you don't have to tell us our preferences

jokes aside I kinda like chubby neighbor myself

he's so silly looking in a good way

[dreamy sluice]

actually these are my preferences

[limber ridge]

Is NFT(📸 ) even the real neighbor?

[dreamy sluice]

yes, you're thinking of fakeneighbour

[dense raven]

I'd assume yeah, neighbor for trailer is erm

nebor!!!

[limber ridge]

He's the attic guy right

[dense raven]

fake nebor is fake

[dreamy sluice]

you're thinking of fake neighbour

[limber ridge]

I am

[dreamy sluice]

who is MitH

[limber ridge]

I am thinking that NFT îs the fake neighbor

[dreamy sluice]

fake neighbor and NFT are separate things

[dense raven]

I think they were just playing with proportions and whatnot with NFT and eventually settled for HN2 Theo because he worked better for the "dude who has beef with the whole town and resides in a scary mansion"

he's still a funny guy I wish NFT would be used in like a HN2 fangame or something

[dreamy sluice]

his stomach isn't weirdly jutting out of himself like _lowpoly, he isn't jacked like hn2 guy, but he's still distinctly like

he got girth to him

[dense raven]

also his hair is better

[dreamy sluice]

hello guest but the whole time it's nft crawling around n stuff

search and rescue guest cutscene but nft would be sooo good

[dense raven]

his creaking is replaced with the alpha 2 nearby effect

[dreamy sluice]

it's canon that he makes the noise with his voice, yes

[dreamy sluice]

naturally

[dense raven]

pretty sure that's a mod for hn2 alpha 1.5

[dreamy sluice]

speaking of hn neighbour art, i fear what his chin looks like under this keyhole

it has a beard, is it gonna be a smaller chin or is the chin gonna still be big but with a massive, large surface area for beard

[limber ridge]

I'd let him catch me just so i can look closer.

[ripe berry]

I swear there was a version of the art of him looking through the window in this style

[dreamy sluice]

yes, but he has no beard

[ripe berry]

damn

[dreamy sluice]

higher quality

just gotta love how handsome his gaze is...

[keen basin]

tweaking

[limber ridge]

I wonder just how many times the cartoon has changed.

Of course it changed a lot from the pilot.

Then there's the character wheel plot, i think i'll call it.

And i feel like some of the released episodes also would have gotten reworked.
Like 1 and 2 iirc were supposed to be rereleased with some changes.

I mean of course it goes through many changes that's to be expected.

The only big things that changed were the pilot and character wheel probably.
Everything else i feel would have played out relatively the same, save for a few added scenes, dialogue, order of events maybe.

Although...
There was one storyboard teaser of what looked like the guest going out of Trinity's room, unless that was just a cult member and they were supposed to look even closer to the guest. Which would have been a headache.

[limber ridge]

Oh, he did survive a park demolition though.

[crude palm]

give him a tissue.. he looks like hes abt to break into tears 💔

[limber ridge]

He's making sure we're not there to see it lol.

[limber ridge]

It's pretty funny to think of Gerda being recruited by the cult as a child.
Like how did She even help them until actually being an adult and being able to do stuff? I mean, i guess the Franklin thing could have helped, although like... They could have just threw Gerda there or one of the other children in there.

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

Imbir without the hood reveal

[stoic juniper]

[limber ridge]

This owl is the cause of everything bad in Raven Brooks.

[stoic juniper]

What about the bunny

[limber ridge]

He îs the victim

[limber ridge]

Bunnies are actually a somewhat common thing in the franchise for some reason

Or well, common is definetely an exageration.

[stoic juniper]

Penguin bird laugh cuz funny

[stoic juniper]

How so?

Where the bunnies at

[limber ridge]

In the HN3 logo.
In a book the protagonist is called "rabbit" which is close enough.

And uhh smth else

[stoic juniper]

Did you forget the smth else

[limber ridge]

Here.
Again, common is an exageration.

[limber ridge]

No i just forwarded here

[stoic juniper]

Alright

[stoic juniper]

Maybe it's Uncommon

Definitely not Common or Rare tho

[limber ridge]

LOREEEEEE

[limber ridge]

By forcing themselves into thinking it's the right path You mean like, something that can bring them good fortune or the right thing?

I assume it's the first option?

[marsh idol]

goodness

[limber ridge]

Yeah.
By the right choice i mean, a good thing to do.

I see

[limber ridge]

Okay so in one chalkboard thing of the island we see something like H2O and a line that points to a drawing of 3 people.
What can that mean?

There were 3 people that survived? 3 people before him?

[dense raven]

actually not too far off because according to wiki he has the Guest bag rig

which means that he's an editted guest neighbor

[limber ridge]

Ngl this lowkey annoys me. Like yeah Nicky gets traumatized but the whole point is that eventually he gets over it.
Why is Alex saying it like that... Unless he means specifically act 1-2 version?

[stoic juniper]