lore-discussion

[ripe berry]

unrelated but RIP the Brooks. The town is now just Raven.

but he's still alive, just in hiding

Norman Darby used the same wording of "getting too close" in Aaron's Trilogy

[dense raven]

did you see any crows either

...nvm

[ripe berry]

the ripped page here is the events in Snow Thief Event I think

[charred wharf]

Huh?

[dusty trench]

Yea, or like that one blank page with text in book but that is likely.

[charred wharf]

Well, it is Snow Thief

but nearly every book/comic starts with a mostly blank page with the authors name etc

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

So that one blank text page with text

[ripe berry]

no, I mean like-
there's a ripped out page between the snow returning and Peterson getting caged

[charred wharf]

ohhh this

[dusty trench]

Ooooh

[ripe berry]

I was just saying that's where the gameplay of the event likely occurs

[dusty trench]

Yea that makes sense

[charred wharf]

most likely yeah

[limber ridge]

Not from here, from S2 finale

When the mental hospital takes Nicky away

[charred wharf]

can you clip it 😭

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

[charred wharf]

okay wait

[dusty trench]

That can add on too

[charred wharf]

Okay yeah he did say his shadow

[dusty trench]

Exactly

That shows us more

[limber ridge]

Who is this "his"?

[charred wharf]

I watched it yesterday bro I am so forgetful

[limber ridge]

Whose shadow?

[dusty trench]

Lemme explain

The thing portrayal on Peterson house is because of the cultist. That because it’s another thing of cultist and stuff the do, and there encounters will bring fear and trauma. And we see that happen to them, example Mr. Murtaugh, and many other incidents even before EP3. The thing portrayal in the school is of the school staff, from Abenante. This is because Nicky is out raged and begins yelling at Trinity, and a staff in hallway maybe principal usually or will come up if near to ask you to quiet down or what’s the issue. But Nicky out of rage and fear, he argues back. He likely knows the higher ups even in school are cultist or working with them, that’s what I mean by from Abenante. And Trinity kinda added on a bit by going to Peterson’s cell in the first place, and the other kids by wondering why he’s arguing with the staff and some think it’s funny, calls them back to the moment of Nicky at nighttime. Because Nicky is arguing with what everyone thought were his friends, now school staff. It slowly just becomes a toxic environment, and they aren’t realizing they are following the same tricks as evil cultist who want people to suffer. The staff maybe security and or Principal begin chasing Nicky, and he’s brought back to that traumatic moment, feeling trapped. And it was likely Abenante since he is just left there, security chased him and Abenante claimed she will take care of it. This combined with so much other stress of no one believing or liking him, being blamed for everything, he’s right back to the past. And for the EP7 S2 finale, the shadow he is talking about is many things. And it has to do with The Guest. He referred to it as he, that’s because it’s Theo. Who he knows is gonna go down a destructive path and bring fear, pain, and trauma to everyone like we see in GN2 and he goes insane in HE, and HN2 ending and boss we see the rage in his eyes. Almost like The Guest, who wants this to happen.

Guest wants him to reach his breaking point, he wants this to happen. And Theo is the perfect tormented vessel for that. And the he can also while Theo is related, can be referring to The Raven Man tale. As this is all related to Guest and his destructive path. Hence the teaser today of cultist starting fire and referred as a guest. Abenante who is a cultist, and the cultist in Peterson’s house. And even what Mr. Peterson himself becomes. Everyone will be haunted by fear and trauma to suffer through. This ties straight to the neighbors notebook. The way they talk about the thing, basically saying how all these tails and rumors even the events, bring fear and trauma to suffer through. And, it is common in media to portray fear trauma suffering pain and such though a shadowy kinda figure. Even stress, anxiety, depression, which all tie to different elements of the things portrayal in HN.

[hushed inlet]

Holy crap nerd ^^^^^

[hushed inlet]

The shadow or known as “the thing” is just Nikis fears formed into an entity

[vagrant igloo]

not specifically nicky's
the thing is just a visual representation of fear and trauma as a whole

[hushed inlet]

But it’s only nikys it seems

[vagrant igloo]

neighbor deals with it too

[dusty trench]

And rescue squad, even Quentin

[vagrant igloo]

yes

but no one actually sees it

[hushed inlet]

That’s cause they’re crazzzyyyy

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[vagrant igloo]

as nikita puts it
they kind of feel it

like how one feels fear

[dusty trench]

Trauma that you sit and suffer through

[vagrant igloo]

which also comes back to the original statement

[dusty trench]

It has a thing in the back that looks like a roller coaster, even the fence color similar to GAAP ones. https://youtube.com/shorts/UBjKWHqwfq0?si=5xSrOs1OmPtFoBxq

Also we can tie something else to the comics, trophy’s, and analyzed details to know some stuff or get an idea. The badges.

Ima send them slowly because, it’s a lot

All of them in order

[ripe berry]

This badge is interesting
(also fun fact about it: #lore-discussion message (it's called Wealth in the files))

[dusty trench]

Luck device

Portrayed through forest, forest protectors. They participated in an experiment that failed, because they took stuff to use it for bad luck. In turn, there own wealth and fortune. Adding onto how crystals and gemstones were used as currency in ancient times, and sometimes still are.

[ripe berry]

the Skeleton in the Museum

[dusty trench]

The Raven brooks wildlife

They have been researching here for generations.

Even traveling to other places to building this mine city on the area for research. Bug turned it into a town later on.

[ripe berry]

this badge is literally us in a way.

Rocket Event lore

[dusty trench]

Adds onto how people have fallen victim into believing false symbols and false truths of history, because mass corporation have tried using people as puppets in the way that they fall for the product and stuff in history that has been corrupted over time. Hence, HN3, and H&S zombies.

[dusty trench]

Taking control and experimenting with life, nature, time. Adds onto the zombie in the sci fi view. Shows us more about Mayak, and what it’s truly capable of.

[ripe berry]

can easily be interpreted as a meta message

[dusty trench]

Yes

Even Mayak tech used around town, corporations using media to distract the viewer.

Speaking of Mayak

Mayak badge

[ripe berry]

that Manifestations that I hate

[dusty trench]

Wdym?

[ripe berry]

(I'm just referencing Manifestation Theory since the badge also uses the term manifestation)

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

Manifestation can tie to this, but on a bigger scale

Not exactly what that theory was going for

But ya know what I mean

[ripe berry]

this badge simply implies the "canon" SN Player (who I think might be Enzo) is a kid

and also could be a nod to FPs?

[dusty trench]

I feel like first person perspective, but each of these can tie to character. Badges can even tie to multiple characters.

[ripe berry]

I mean this badge definitely relates to the Forest Protectors somehow since that's literally how the cover of Grave Mistakes depicts one

[dusty trench]

This one ca relate to Enzo

[dusty trench]

Health care

Think about it

TB in AS especially have a ton of references to stuff

And sure it’s a reference, but look at the placements and such. How it’s used.

It can show the meta

In a way

Not the reference itself tech

But what it contains and how it’s used

[ripe berry]

we both know what these two badges imply

[dusty trench]

MITH’s role and character, and Peterson’s house and what stage it’s in.

And even more too

[ripe berry]

heck if I know why the Guest is on this badge

actually wait

I know HN3's lore is changing but hear me out

HN3 has a Hotel that is connected via cablecar to the GAAP, thus meaning both are likely owned by the same company

the Guest seems to partly be a Golden Apple Corp mascot

[dusty trench]

And HE shows too, even SN, and HND

[ripe berry]

hence why the badge about hospitality that specifically mentions hotels shows the Guest

[dusty trench]

And another thing to add onto the health care badge

Too

This Guest badge

And a reference

More specifically

How it’s used

Forest protector design is almost like a plague doctor

Hence the badge it’s on

I believe that’s intentional in some way

[ripe berry]

neat

[dusty trench]

Even this reference, game called NOT FOR BROADCAST. Has an eye.

A talks about broadcast, can tie to TV badge.

Mayak tech hacking the systems in RB’s. Even Ivan acknowledges cultist hacking them through cellular network, which is why he crated that thing on the groups phones.

[ripe berry]

final badge Imma bring any attention to
I mean Theodore in the books doesn't really say much about inspiration for the GAAP, implying he struggled to make anything "completely new and interesting", so the image for this badge makes sense

[ripe berry]

which helps since RB already has it's own disconnected network

it's own apps

it's own town forum where only people from RB can chat

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[dusty trench]

Ooh

That can be a reason. But even another can be experiments as part of it. But if he wants it to be a brand, that’s where his other inspiration to make something new and interesting comes in.

[ripe berry]

(seen in the Guidebook)

oh wait one more
allusion to the Golden Apple Tree and Golden Apples

[dusty trench]

Cultist being money hungry. And this can reference the Mayak evolution. How it’s started off small, but is slowly expanding. Cult wanting to use that for their own fortune.

Someone in the background hiding a dirty secret. Ready to do something rash behind you back, always watching in the background, hiding their true self. Represented through a lizard snake.

Conspiracy huh. Like the cultist hiding all of their dirty work, all the secrets and hidden meaning of symbols left around town, even outside of town too as they expand further to the masses.

[ripe berry]

they're working on proving each conspiracy theory
they're working on finding the cult

[dusty trench]

Exactly

And little do people know that they are hiding in plain sight.

Or right beside in the shadows.

Wilderness survival. Secretly the town is dangerous, wild, blood thirsty people at the top controlling everyone was pawns behind the scenes. And that what the don’t want you to see, the truth. Thats what the outskirts or old town is. The truth of how dangerous this town truly is, and the true beasts that live in the shadows.

Prevision. Like unlocking your third eye. Seeing the truth beyond what is in plain sight, the tricks people follow. I talked about this before right here in the long text, and the links. #lore-discussion message . You can look up the symbols and is kinda self explanatory how they tie in.

Imbir being the one is inportant

Imbir is like, aware. Always everywhere, the one to warn Trinity in her dream sequence. That shows how much Imbir knows. That truth is what cult wants to hide, that’s why Gerda keeps Imbir. That is until you free Imbir and then helps you with fountain puzzle.

Self explanatory. The tales in town and many stories in universe, the different views on things hinting at perspective, and how it can impact others views.

This adds onto many things. Such as Quentin and Beatriz being guards at some point (Quentin being guard at one point while working for newspaper, Beatrix helps too). I talked on this gem the GAAP map. And Quentin’s raven patrol guard skin in SN.

This skin

This can tie to the squirrel attack in AS cult caused. And even this reminds me of the spider boss on the web in HE that was in from of that robot thing with the wires that looks like webs. Which is where the HE spider boss portrayal came from, which is that cutscene.

This is obviously trying to hint at the cultural traditions in RB’s, and even how RB’s and the GA company do traditions and such.

And Halloween is a good example. Because the symbols of Halloween and the holiday itself have been destructed and corporates to be used as a tool, that goes against what it actually is. Many cultural stuff even get the history of Halloween wrong too. Kinda like how the symbols of town have been destructed and corporates used to bait people instead.

And this adds directly onto the shark-o-trons and how it’s a brand, maybe owned, funded or bought by GA Corp. , even Nicky’s shirt has it, and it can tie into the many sea references related to towns history. Maybe the Hello-Copters too, and the Lawn-o-trons.

Guidebook and other material like HN2 and AS can add onto this.

Sustainability, global economic growth, directly and heavily associated with toxic waste. Trying to save things for future generations instead of just yourself, which keeping all the important needs for growth in the world for just yourself you can create a toxic environment. Like how the cult is greedy and keeping it all for themselves, and others fall into their traps and schemes unknowingly.

Crime prevention. Trying to keep away all the danger in town and peoples sinister plans, even bloodthirsty side of town and environment. Hence the bat, this ties into the wilderness survival badge heavily, and the Raven patrol badge, even the sustainability.

Precedence. Someone of higher rank, higher power, more priority or influence. Interesting name for badge. Almost like cultist, seeking more power and control. Looking for fortune, hence the golden egg, also tying to Easter eggs. But this can also be how cult believes in their ego so much, that they are tricked into having power and get over thrown by people who bring peace and freedom. Letting the world and universe have a nice balance. It can also represent confidence in yourself. It just depends on how you view and perceive the badge, and that goes for any badge. Because it is you that gets these badges by working hard. But in what way are you using them, and how are you going to your goals.

That all the badges

Unless more come in the future

[ripe berry]

wait
knowing its history and specifics can be of great assistance here.

knowing its history and specifics can be of great assistance here.

(hopefully you get at least a bit of what this message (as well as the one above) are implying here)

[ripe berry]

also:
Quentin is a investigative journalist
Potential Quentin Dad (MitH/MJ) is a investigative journalist
Beatrix is part of this "Raven Patrol", which in-part requires knowledge on the town's "history and specifics"
Potential Beatrix Mom (Archivist) literally seems to have been keeping tabs on the history and specifics of Raven Brooks (the Archive Book)
you can see where that thought process leads

[dusty trench]

Ooooh

[dusty trench]

Yea this ties in well

[ripe berry]

especially since we already know:
Quentin's a part of it at some point
Beatrix is a part of it
so it's only logical others in the family could be

[alpine crystal]

Is hello neighbor 2 dlc even important to the lore?

[vagrant igloo]

not really

[dusty trench]

Ehh, I’d argue it definitely is important

We get more context and detail on stuff, even RBBArchives.

It ties to details we see in man game too.

[dusty trench]

This should technically be in lore discussion so ima forward it here. You can click link to see what I’m replying too because I feel this is really interesting tbh.

[dense raven]

"Game Design.
Brainstorming sometimes leads to great ideas. Now I know how difficult it is sometimes to come up with something completely new and interesting."

wasn't HG in development alongside SN

I think we know what and who this refers to

(cough cough Nikita cough cough)

I miss SN's vibe ngl

A multiplayer game that's updated time to time to include teasers for a new game? Now that's really great

Too bad that HN is too much of an underdog to appeal and have that game be actually alive

part reason is its gameplay loop man

[dusty trench]

In the meta view, yes

That sounds accurate

[dense raven]

I think it's too straight-forward to mean much in-universe

sure you COULD tie it to Theo but like

come on

game design

come on

[dusty trench]

It can still tie in universe

It doesn’t even have to just be Theo, it can even also be inventors club.

All of these badges can tie to meta view, and in universe at the same time

[dense raven]

I dunno the moral part maybe but I view it as a fnaf world kind of thing

[dense raven]

sure it got clear ties to the actual thing but the meta stuff is kinda just

meta stuff

[dusty trench]

But many meta stuff has still shown ideas of direction.

Just in a meta way

And yes

It’s still meta

But still

It can show a direction devs and writers are going for

Even hint at stuff

[dense raven]

so I'm assuming "that old abandoned ruin" refers to the neighbor's house

[dusty trench]

That’s the symbol they use

[dense raven]

I mean pretty straight-forward but on the other hand isn't SN supposed to be BREAKING into the said house

[dusty trench]

GAAP map exist

And brawls

And the events

[dense raven]

um sure true

yeah but the events are

you know still on the ted house maps

[dusty trench]

Most

[dense raven]

who's even saying the descriptions

[dusty trench]

The writers, devs, sending messages.

Likely

[dense raven]

....in-universe?

[dusty trench]

An outer view but still hints at an in universe and bigger picture thing

[dense raven]

I mean there's the HG thing but some of these kinda clearly talk from an inside perspective

[dusty trench]

Yes

And outer

That adds on

[dense raven]

like learning about pet ownership or something

it's kinda interesting how this badge is called plague doctor

pretty much clearly a jab at forest protectors right

[dusty trench]

Yes

And that shows what I mean

[dense raven]

just finding it interesting how they were more so plague doctors than Guest copycats, identity and all

[dusty trench]

A hint at what could be apart of history in town

[keen basin]

don't they just look like that on of the of the book covers?

[dusty trench]

Like can show something more, like the plague doctor spiritual myths and connections, many people made tales of plague doctors over time and kinda destructed what it was, many people believing false myths.

[dense raven]

yea

[dusty trench]

There is a page of cultist in Grave Mistakes but even then that looks more like Carly’s depiction of Guest (symbol and maybe real) but a copy.

[keen basin]

I mean it has the hat

[dusty trench]

And guess what else clearly nods to that

Exact design

[keen basin]

yeah

thats what they look like

[dusty trench]

And guess what else in SN

Not talking badge

One of the Guest skins

Direct reference to that, just it’s Guest instead

[keen basin]

I like it more then the AS look, but it is just kinda a plague doctor

but you cant like see the feathers and stuff

[dusty trench]

Cover it was a shadow, but you can tie it to plague doctor tales and such to the forest protector tale.

[dusty trench]

👆

Town higher ups over time becoming more greedy and slowly destructing everything building up. Symbols bringing pain instead, more haunting myths but not the fun kind, ones that kinda mimic real life but in a way that it’s just a trick, getting to for fall for the bait.

Falling right into the ritual.

[keen basin]

did they even have feathers in AS?

it was just cloaks and a beak

[dusty trench]

No, but Abenante in S1 had a feather fall out her bag.

And I made a theory on that moment aswell.

[keen basin]

is it a long one?

[charred wharf]

What a silly question

you know Dark 😭

[dusty trench]

She just took off the cultist suit. Her and the other cultist would be doing the dirty business at night as they obsess over their plans. And we even see cultist well roaming at night even in school. So of course she would be there early. Maybe and this is just an idea, used a vent connects to the tunnels. As well, we seen school, and this town.

[keen basin]

oh yeah sure

if it was like a crazy theory and I would mention that it is still a children's show that needed a good visual connections to what was currently being revealed in the plot

[dusty trench]

Not for kids

But

[dusty trench]

Ha

Got you

[charred wharf]

Bamboozled 😔

You usually write entire books so it's a miracle when you write something shorter

[dusty trench]

I make them long so I can add more details that make sense, and so the depth fits. Some of them can just take a while, depends on how much theory’s is in one or many.

[keen basin]

isn't it pg13? either way the writing makes it uh... unclear sometimes

[dusty trench]

Alex stated, not for kids

HN wasn’t even intended for kids

Specifically

[keen basin]

well yeah

[dusty trench]

#hello-neighbor message

It wasn’t a Lilly

[dusty trench]

It says PG but then Not Rated. When it said Not Rated is when thy had blood on Prime Video, which they do for EP1 not EP2, and S2 just has blood because dead cultist.

[keen basin]

didnt they do the stuff to hide blood at first

[dusty trench]

Yea

[keen basin]

they really let that go now

[dusty trench]

EP1 doesn’t hav blood anymore

On prime

But YouTube still does ✌️🥀

And S2 EP7 has blood naturally with a dead corpse, so it doesn’t matter.

Oh

Specifically the EP1 posted on the WTRB YouTube channel, and in the 1 hour version of S1 YouTube.

1 hour version of S2 YouTube has the Murtaugh blood, and EP7 YouTube standalone has the credits blood.

[dusty trench]

Now that I’m on this topic I now wonder, did they animate Mr. Murtaugh a head slice (not just shadow). Because the zoom in is kinda, odd. And Alex described the scene like it was traumatizing or sum, #hello-neighbor message , #hello-neighbor message . And yes I know it’s hyping up the material, but still just a little curious.

[limber ridge]

Need... to see it...

[limber ridge]

Ehh. I think kids can take that.

[limber ridge]

Ik. That's what I was thinking you meant by "Lily effect".

[limber ridge]

The zoom does is are werid...

It'd be really funny if they used some placeholder for his head instead

Like, instead of a head he has a pineapple or smth. That'd be really funny.

[dense raven]

could it be

[dense raven]

while we're here a closer look at this fella (turns out that's his HAIR)

[dusty trench]

Oh they can, it’s like general audiences. Just trying to quote Alex because it’s meme worthy.

[limber ridge]

Oh

[dusty trench]

That makes me want to see even more. That would be peak. Please let it be a pineapple 🙏.

[alpine crystal]

Hello neighbor!

I'm boredddddd

[limber ridge]

Goodbye neighbor

[limber ridge]

Dark did you mean this?

[alpine crystal]

Anyway when will Nikita add neighbor and Nicky love story to hn3

(sarcasm)

[alpine crystal]

That the forest protector

[limber ridge]

He added them already though

[limber ridge]

Idk

[alpine crystal]

what.....?

[limber ridge]

I don't have the books so I don't see images

[limber ridge]

Yes he added the love story trust

It's in HN1

And 3

[near cosmos]

How could you not know

[alpine crystal]

Nicholas x neighbor is actually disturbing

[near cosmos]

Its basic hng lore

[alpine crystal]

[limber ridge]

Peak*

[alpine crystal]

I seen the LOODGACK art

Shouldn't see the art

[near cosmos]

I'm crying this is the lore discussion and I didn't even noticed

[near cosmos]

Wait I think I know this guy

[limber ridge]

It's about a different storyline.

[alpine crystal]

I'm crying

[limber ridge]

Still kinda weird

[alpine crystal]

She*

[near cosmos]

I think I know this she

[limber ridge]

"wait I think I know this she"

[alpine crystal]

The Faust use the Nicky Roth model

[near cosmos]

LOL

[limber ridge]

Hive mind lol

[alpine crystal]

Well, f word

[limber ridge]

It's supposed to be like a stand in or smth

I'll shut up about this subject before we are told to.

[alpine crystal]

I prefer my faust shadowy figure who loves to intrude

[limber ridge]

Intrude in the Devil's house

Full of sins and evil.

[alpine crystal]

Yep

I have to admit, Faust x neighbor is my favorite ship

But Nicky x neighbor? Aw hell nah!

[limber ridge]

40 years distance

But I don't think I've seen that ship anywhere ngl

Nicky and Neighbour ship

[alpine crystal]

I seen it

And damn, I shouldnt seen the art

Neighbor please lock me in your basement, I'm scared of LOODGACK ship

[near cosmos]

I got you bro

Nothing against the ship but DAYUM

Ok ok we shouldn't be talking abt that especially here

[limber ridge]

That's not Nicky/Neighbor, I say again

[alpine crystal]

Well.... Faust IS Nicky

[limber ridge]

Yes but no

[alpine crystal]

Oh sorry

[limber ridge]

And no but yes

[alpine crystal]

Yesn't

[limber ridge]

People always say yesn't

But no one says "non't"

[alpine crystal]

"Did you just say chai tea?"

[limber ridge]

What is with this favouritism...

[alpine crystal]

I donna

I love AS, I'm addicted

But it has bad writing in it

[limber ridge]

Oh for sure

Let's begin to pick it apart shall we

[alpine crystal]

I love hello neighbor 2

[limber ridge]

Firstly, what in the world is going on with the diabetes 💔

[alpine crystal]

I hate how they market it

[limber ridge]

That's not how they work

[alpine crystal]

Diabetes

[alpine crystal]

Wat

[limber ridge]

Firstly, why does Trinity get a hypoglicemic by eating sugar?

That would cause a hyperglicemic attack

[near cosmos]

Isn't the diabetic thing just to show that scene how Trinity got unlucky and started to having hallucinations and stuff?

[alpine crystal]

Some people can get a hypoglycemic by eating sugar

[obtuse wedge]

It is not the good channel for it

[near cosmos]

" Diabeto roll to the kitchen "

[limber ridge]

Huh

Okay well, the diabetes ngl are a small thing.

[near cosmos]

Oh, isn't?

[alpine crystal]

Is that the William afton emoji mentioned?!

[limber ridge]

Let's talk about the house

[near cosmos]

I mean we are talking abt wtrb lore

[alpine crystal]

[near cosmos]

Im crying

[alpine crystal]

😭 🥹

[near cosmos]

Since we are in the lore discussion, who is imbir, like

Yk

Yea it's a cat ik

[limber ridge]

Mayak is imbir

[near cosmos]

But why so mysterious

[alpine crystal]

Imbir is a female cat adopted by the baker

[alpine crystal]

She ain't that mysterious

[near cosmos]

I didn't even spammed..

[alpine crystal]

[limber ridge]

Imbir is a female cat that adopted the baker*

[near cosmos]

Yes ofc, I just wanted to know abt her

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[limber ridge]

Well to bad

The bot thinks you spammed

[near cosmos]

Both who

[limber ridge]

But you can just DM Jacky about it

[alpine crystal]

Imbir is associated with the forest protector

[limber ridge]

Huh?

Who mentioned "both"?

[near cosmos]

Uhm

[alpine crystal]

😭

[near cosmos]

Youre not sneaky

[alpine crystal]

Are we deadbutt😭

[near cosmos]

You edited the message

[limber ridge]

Shush

/j

Looooooore

[near cosmos]

Yes yes lore

[limber ridge]

Back to lore

[alpine crystal]

LORE

[near cosmos]

Lore lore

[limber ridge]

I will stop loring for the sake of not fillering this channel

[alpine crystal]

Imbir is associated with one of the forest protectors, she is shown to be our allies in one of the demo version

Imbir finds a lost item for the player

[near cosmos]

Oh I see

Thx

Thx ivan edit fnaf yt lore guy

[alpine crystal]

No prob, some random self promo (My yt channel is IVAN_EDIT_FNAF)

[near cosmos]

You didn't need to change it I got it at first

[alpine crystal]

Just wanted to explain it in simple way

[near cosmos]

I'm subbing after I leave DC, alr?

[alpine crystal]

Thank you 😉

[near cosmos]

Alr alr, thx anyways

[alpine crystal]

I make random edit of my subscriber, free edit for you coming🔥 ❤️‍🔥

[ripe berry]

👍

[dusty trench]

Yes

[limber ridge]

I see

GAAP went through a change

[alpine crystal]

Simple Hello neighbor alpha-beta lore: protagonist is the faust, neighbor is the devil, faust sold his soul to neighbor, faust got in car crash, faust basically dies, in sequel, Nicky got evicted forced to go back to his childhood house and neighbor is Nicky father, neighbor abuse Nicky, "Aroon" in this version is just Nicky, Nicky save himself from the neighbor and save neighbor from "the thing" representing both trauma and cycle of abuse over the generation, then Nicky goes to graveyard visiting the neighbor...

[limber ridge]

Protagonist didn't sell his soul to devil.

[alpine crystal]

Protagonist is the faust

[limber ridge]

The Devil and God made a bet on who can get more souls.

[alpine crystal]

Nope

[limber ridge]

Yup

Sorry am I taking this too seriously

[alpine crystal]

Oh

Is the protagonist some random man or the faust?

[eager island]

random man

[alpine crystal]

Fun fact: the protagonist's actual name is implied to be "Dave"

[limber ridge]

I don't know.
As far as I know, this is the most knowledge we have on on Devil storyline.

[alpine crystal]

In one of the concept art

[alpine crystal]

Who mentioned Franklin Christ-

Jesus Christ

[eager island]

which one

[limber ridge]

Huh.

[alpine crystal]

It unused

[limber ridge]

I thought that was a reference

[limber ridge]

"sorry Dave. I'm afraid I cannot do that"?

Is that it?

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[limber ridge]

Think I can find it

[alpine crystal]

Sadly Only Roger Peterson have it

But he uploaded the pic

[eager island]

its a reference

[limber ridge]

Oh no nvm

[eager island]

to a movie

[alpine crystal]

Huh?

[limber ridge]

To space odyssey I believe

[alpine crystal]

Oh cool

Never heard of it in my whole life

[alpine crystal]

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[limber ridge]

I just like calling him Pam.

Pre alpha man.

[alpine crystal]

I like to call him Andrew smith

Because Andrew smith is based on pre-nicky (pre-alpha man)

Have anyone heard of the "rat lair"?

[dense raven]

I think it's just some guy who asked a question on the kickstarter

and the boards were like the answers

and maybe Dave asked something that was classified and was told no by the devs

[dense raven]

I don't like Andrew Smith

[limber ridge]

And it just do happened they could make a reference.

[alpine crystal]

Hello neighbor: into the mind

[limber ridge]

Idc about the name but more the

[alpine crystal]

Andrew smith is crazy

[limber ridge]

The evil aspect

[dense raven]

"Andrew" is Cryxton trying to assure you that PAM is an evil psycopath

[alpine crystal]

He is canonically more mentally crazy than the neighbor

[dense raven]

the canon protagonist no, the into the mind Andrew Smith yes kind of

[alpine crystal]

Well cryxton ain't wrong, pam is the faust

[dense raven]

No

Cryxton IS wrong

getting a toy rifle in the classroom isn't an undertone for school shooting 💀

[alpine crystal]

Pam deals with the devil

[dense raven]

he doesn't

where was that ever confirmed

neighbor has many Faust books because HE IS the devil

he's reading a book about HIMSELF

that's the bit there

[alpine crystal]

Well, pam is more likely hugely implied to be the faust

[dense raven]

No

he's

not

he's just not

[limber ridge]

He is prideful

[alpine crystal]

Well, there is a evidence

[dense raven]

Ngl talking about the mod itself

[alpine crystal]

Ted Wilson vs Pam who win?

[dense raven]

Pam

[alpine crystal]

Are you sure? Ted Wilson is the satan

[dense raven]

Pam is being hard carried by God

[alpine crystal]

Pam is a idiot that died in a car accident

[dense raven]

he's not an idiot, the utility pole fell on him

[limber ridge]

Because the devil cut the pole off

[dense raven]

there was no way to see this coming

what is this bruh

[alpine crystal]

That wasn't confirmed, however he is seen holding a hatch in one of the concept art

[dense raven]

it's literally pretty much confirmed, we have a teaser of the neighbor standing in the field for no reason, we have a bunch of art of him holding an axe

like the connection is right there

[alpine crystal]

Oh

[dense raven]

v1 was a mess and Cryxton admitted it but what I don't like as a whole is that the story isn't about Andrew, it's about his doctor and his venting tapes

and his mistakes

Andrew is essentially just a plot device for Stan the psychiatrist

[alpine crystal]

I liked the into the mind mods

[limber ridge]

Doctor?

[alpine crystal]

I feel like pam deserved to die

[dense raven]

he didn't

[limber ridge]

Pam has a doctor in the devil's made up reality?!

[dense raven]

nooo Andrew Smith before his comaa kills you with hammers

[alpine crystal]

Andrew smith the ugly

Andrew is ugly

Garhh

[dense raven]

And Andrew doesn't get developed whatsoever

[alpine crystal]

I think into the mind lore is so interesting

[limber ridge]

Hehe

[alpine crystal]

Better than the real Faust storyline

[dense raven]

the "real faust storyline" wasn't even developed fully

[alpine crystal]

I prefer the into the mind Faust storyline

[limber ridge]

Idk into the mind lore other than Pam is evil

[alpine crystal]

Oh

[alpine crystal]

Ted Wilson the neighbor

Pam is Andrew smith

Stan the Therapist

And more secret on the item

Like the milk (I hate everyone!)

Andrew smith deserves to be locked up

Somehow Ted isn't the devil in this timeline

[dense raven]

basically Andrew killed his teacher (probably because abuse??) and he got sent into a psych ward where Stan the psychiatrist was treating him poorly because he was arrogant and thought his methods were the best, Andrew scribbled on white padded walls and was eventually given sheets to write on, eventually Andrew was released thinking all is good but no he had an argument with his family, was spotted buying suspicious items in a supermarket and later set his house on fire (like the pre-alpha burning house that's the reference) killing his mom dad and sister

[alpine crystal]

Yeah

[dense raven]

and Stan realizes that he was stupid but alas it's too late now and he feels that Andrew's going for him next

Andrew's car gets hit with a utility pole on the way back to town(??)

[dense raven]

also

Andrew kept drawing a demon of sorts that's haunting him

[limber ridge]

Ted Wilson?

[dense raven]

and Stan couldn't really figure it out until he looked at the sheet scrabbles and found his own face drawn

[dense raven]

kinda that's where the mess part comes in but to keep it simple yea

[alpine crystal]

Ted isn't the devil

At least he is only the devil in real Faust storyline

But Ted is referred as the devil

It just low-key confusing

[dusty trench]

Or you know what it could be. So Guest head is the front entrance where you like sign up or sum to go inside, but going inside has that sign we seen on pictures.

[limber ridge]

Maybe

[limber ridge]

I don't really see the point of there being two signs

Unless that's like, a real amusement parks thing

The image is kinda sucky for the current GAAP so hard to tell

[limber ridge]

A better one

Or well, another one, just so you can see more of the current GAAP

[vagrant igloo]

i like how Golden Apple is spelled normally

[dense raven]

only once

it's like when they have an english translation by the nation's language version 😭

[keen basin]

would be funny if the show was just voiced in like the grunts and sounds of the games, I don't remember if the tapes in HN2 are like messed up English or if its just the tape sounding weird.

if the language was just weird it would be funnier if they spoke like that

[dense raven]

all the main characters dialogues are replaced by their secret neighbor voicelines

Help!
Neighbor!
Neighbor!

[keen basin]

oh yeah just do that

[limber ridge]

Nicky would only say "hey"

[limber ridge]

As funny as this would be for the show, it would be even funnier for the books.

Just imagine: grunts grunts grunts — grunts grunts grunts

"more grunts"

Like we just see the thought process of Nicky and Aaron and it's all just... Grunts and stuff

[dense raven]

Mya's dialogue is gonna be peak 🔥🔥🔥

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxE1Q3sRBeJsiqJ3mDbDQVOKaZ8uNgaq01?si=hUJ8LRZFIkthdrT_

[limber ridge]

Ppl were asking how is Guest not supernatural but how in the world is Mya's scream not supernatural

[dense raven]

It's very haunting actually

[limber ridge]

Proof that Hello Neighbor is a horror game:

/j obviously.

[dense raven]

imagine some guestworld esque event while you're in the kids room and you can just hear that scream

and a moment of Mya falling from behind the window

[dense raven]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxinKSMeVaCVGtoObwyspVkxylRNUAX-p-?si=fDLQ-xcKFIuc29di

MITH voice yay

[dawn relic]

wait mith is russian?

crazy

[dense raven]

The og hn devs were lol

The Raven Brooks sign used to be russian

Fake fan smh!!!!!1

[dawn relic]

im not a fake fan

i just forgot alright

[eager island]

no

it was wayron croobian

[eager island]

thats also wayron croobian iirc

[dusty trench]

Many amusement parks do that, like the front where you check in, and the big entrance or gateway of the park itself. Outside the inside park gate usually has a like food chains or even cafes in front and passing that will lead you to park. Even in HN2 Mr. Peterson is in front of that GAAP sign/front check in area which is also in HE, and there is a parking lot, and in AS we see gates almost like the gate entrance on GAAP map which is used for staff members like guards, and in the GAAP map it’s exactly mimicking the front of GAAP we see in HN2, but in SN we see GAAP gate sign that is not like the front entrance, and in HE lobby design too is also interesting. And also, the GAAP sign in books is similar.

[stoic juniper]

Ramadan Mubarak everyone

[dusty trench]

Found more evidence. This is the SN, looks like the AS pictures one. And the HE GAAP map has the front entrance leading to the lobby. And the lobby in game has a huge gate which yes, it doesn’t use GAAP sign. But it cans still work as it adds onto many stuff, even the books GAAP sign looks similar to SN and AS pictures, and Vandals could’ve destroyed it as we see park vandalized with graffiti art everywhere, and in SN it’s blocked off, and we see Guest statue far out in SN GAAP map. Maybe of the lobby and there can be multiple gates around the lobby trails, as we see in HE act 1 level one there is multiple paths that lead left or right. So there’s multiple gates after the front entrance on different entrance sides that lead into lobby and or different zones. We notice many pathways if you look around at the detail and layout of levels. SN even has cars parks and tiled over in ruins on parking lot. Which brings me to the next thing, what if like other amusement parks is you can even drive through the front part to get inside for more parking or closer parking to an entrance. As the side walkways are like side walks, and the front in HE level 1 a road leading inside, even behind the tent is a road that is destroyed and built up (hurricane of sorts) which is right beside the side walking trail. And you have to pay for getting through front entrance and you can park inside in closer to an area entrance and or lobby. And in AS it’s like a road too that goes past the front check in entrance. This stuff adds into this, #lore-discussion message .

And there’s sum more.

Here is the map leading to a guard house go GAAP. It had a side gate entrance by the parking lot and front entrance check in, which if you look at HE and look at HN2 picture gram and map you know it’s the same. And look at what we see in HE, a side gate entrance right beside. We dont see where it leads to in HE right here, but in HN2 we do. And HE shows that there being multiple guard areas in different parts of park. Like multiple guard post. As we see in many areas Mr. Peterson is using different camera systems and such, and we see a monitor room underground in HE. Most of these are likely different hidden bases for Mr. Peterson, but cultist slowly try to find to take control. And these different labs and bases are where Mr. Peterson is in S3 when at GAAP. And it’s all connected to one system because of the tech and tunnels underground. More on this is the other gate opening leading to somewhere on different side of map.

[dusty trench]

This one (forgot to send it with other ones).

[dusty trench]

And if you look at these two maps side by side. The trail leading to security post, and the public map. Look at the circled withe the X on HN2 map, look at the direction that leads to. The space building, which we know is related to Mayak. The design of the building is also really similar shape to Mayak. And maybe to hide Mayak because it’s close to Mayak as we see in HE, and an idea of space attraction being close to Mayak was an idea in HG. And the building had two Mayak lightning shocker poles on the big ball, and one that stands taller with a green light, this building standing taller than the rest (except pherris wheel), which adds onto AS when Nicky sees the weather station and if you really look at HE while you can see it in act 1, you can defiantly see how Nicky could’ve seen it. The antenna is almost observing everything, like the eye. And it’s behind a space attraction of sorts to cover it, but maybe the space attraction is connected to Mayak itself. Also because of the space rocket ship crashed on floor in HN2 GAAP map, and also HE shows this. Maybe they have this as a building but it replicates Mayak, like other GAAP zones an areas mimicking different aspects of the town and places GA Corp. has been, including history of town and the company. Which this ties to a big thing I said before, and many things if you read back you’ll understand. Using GAAP to represent different areas and such.

Here is the building in lobby from far.

[dusty trench]

And look at the sandbox in Map and lobby. It’s an actual thing in park. But it’s more, away from everything else, crowded in a huge space and around all forest. Other places have trees everywhere like the space station zone, but it’s more open and out there more. This is like, hidden to the side on map. This seems to be the imagination area, express yourself more. That can tie to why in sandbox it’s everything in one big map, even if things that we didn’t see to much previously. Thats what this represents for the rescue squad, them coping with imagination, but still balancing reality. Thats why in sandbox we get more reference to Lucy Yi and other traumatic stuff they went through, became they are moving on. And they ca be using the island to represent that too, which can add onto previous stuff I said. As the sandbox looks like an island and is more deserted with trees and space than others, and even toy sandbox play areas are describes as a mini island to people in real life, and even designed to kinda be your own big landscape but one you overview and take control of. Even the twisted imagination symbolism can tie to the whole game really. But it gets brighter in the end once the kids escape, they already escaped before but were in loop and trauma still held. This ties toilet in some way, and AS hints at island and town history. Because in AS mayors manor we see the boat figure and painting on the sea, the trophy’s, the wheel from HN2, and the deer skull all in S2 EP4. And they are portraying and envisioning island in some way and we know envisioning is part, but is there is something more deeper in what way, we don’t know for sure. But they were teleported to sandbox map, which the landscape of map is like an island, and Enzo likely remembers most because he wasn’t affected much by Mayak energy since he wanted to touching the car that contains Mayak tech. This can tie to the surviving the wilderness badge in SN aswell.

Which while I tied it to other stuff and didn’t mention island too much, while also tying to that stuff it can’t also tie to island. Ties to these #lore-discussion message , and all these #lore-discussion message . I feel like while yes obviously AS will tie in, it will do things differently but still can tie into this.

[dusty trench]

And the covered area which is of the haunted, festive, folklore attractions that we see of in HE sandbox, and if you read links to these there is sum more. But we also seen this in AS already. And if you look in AS, we see the HE lobby, just instead of Guest statue it’s Golden Apple foundation statue like HN2 town lobby area, atleast from the half of it we see rn. And there’s something in the end of the vid I would like to talk about. The Raven, fox, sun, and deer. The sun and deer are in the brighter side of this with all the flowers and such, but the Raven and the wolf are in the darker side of this with less plants and such. Deers in folklore often symbolize nature, wilderness, freedom, and luck. And the sun is often portrayed in folklore to bring energy, warmth, life force, and growth. And Ravens signify omens in this case bad, and events in life getting turned upside down. Wolves can represent at times danger, wild or rage, and watching in the shadows. This is the difference between control and taking advantage of life and nature, vs giving to life and nature for freedom. It can even represent more and expand beyond to other views and concepts in HN.

[dusty trench]

Now interestingly the Guest statue in SN does not seem like a lobby statue, maybe a separate statue. But maybe it’s meant to kinda, cover something. As the statue is kinda in the area where Mayak would be, or just the outskirts area in general. And in HG as an idea we see Guest statue is next to Mayak up taking the center of everything, trying to hide Mayak even with the sign covering it. This statue could be near outskirts and not next to Mayak but I do find the similarity interesting. And we see a staff entrance in SN aswell.

[dusty trench]

Also watch this clip from Secret Neighborhood News and listen to what is said on GAAP and you’ll know what it means. If you don’t I’ll explain (Yes, stuff like secret neighborhood news and such vids even devlogs and trailers and such hide lore hints and ideas hiding behind the meta front as a message, symbols and metaphors in dif ways etc, and in a way expand on the universe and world of HN and show us stuff they are going for and what is implemented and such, even again story beats and lore). This is hinting the the re opening of GAAP leading into S3.

[alpine crystal]

Umm Nikita will add sigma Skibidi toilet to hn3

(sarcasm)

[dense raven]

it was wayroon croobian mixed with russian

which is also apparent in the tv/radio audios in full game

and HG phone call

[dusty trench]

Adding onto this, I want to talk about secret neighborhood news. As there is a ton of interesting stuff that contains, and can show us a ton. Every secret neighborhood news is of well the new of town stuff. I see it as a meta thing like guidebook error world and such stuff. I believe they are using meta to portray news within RB’s, maybe they announce dif events and such in town, and well it is a news channel for RB’s so well, yea. Enzo being host makes sense as he isn’t similar to journalist Quentin and is a detective class, and Trinity skin being the co host also makes sense too. There’s also re occurring Dr. Mork, a character Ivan portrays and becomes one of the main characters. Theres other characters Delroy Maritza and Finch portray even others portrayed through Trinity Enzo and Ivan and that kinda shows a ton. Like this scene with Finch skin interviewing someone during a slingshot wars acts like Finch in AS to a degree, and seems like the popular girl who would be featured on news or sum. In the news, there are many events at GAAP and it confirms that GAAP in its re opening phase has been open for a while, they have ads promoting Golden Apple Theatre, promoting GAAP coins and coupons, and implies that there is many GAAP locations that are open on some way that aren’t the park which makes sense considering how much GAAP owns in the entirety of town. And even the opening night has an event too in the stage play theatre. Which speaking of that, in SNN Episode 4 there’s another character that appears who is a portrayed Theo skin of totally reliable delivery, and it’s portraying a worker and he says “uh the progress on the park is coming along swimmingly. After following my desig um, cough, the um the engineers designs of the place, I think that particularly um, or carnival tent is going to attract many, many.., MANY, avid tourists.” Listen to the rest of his dialogue and yea, it is suspicious. And it does fit for Theo to be portrayed through that role in acting.

[dusty trench]

But Theo isn’t the character specifically. What I mean is, this guy is clearly working with cult or like a slave to them or something. What ever company he is working for is under the umbrella of GA Corp. and even where he gets angry at workers and attacks the rest of them it’s clear they are just pawns who are enslaved to do this work, they are getting ready for the show playing roles they don’t want to but are being forced too and manipulated by the greedy disgusting master minds. During the opening phase however watching in this episode is Theo. Getting ready to shut this all down. He sees everyone who is working with GA Corp. as cultist and he can’t trust them, so he will haunt them. GA Corp. has everyone under their umbrella and people are unknowingly following along or forced to be slaves to do the work. And the guy who turns on the news in that episode is also getting ready for the show, and Theo comes up right behind. He likely didn’t kill him, but Theo will especially really kill cultist and give enslaved and such a chance, and give some higher ups like Otto a small chance too. He likely did why he did to the security guard in Bosco Bay when trying to achieve his goal, likely to ruin the show. Maybe making some of the stars of show go simming for a bit or sum. In SNN EP 5 a series called Raven Brooks mysteries it says on October 23rd 2019 (which the year is the meta of the game) and it shows Leslie and Keith in front of Theo’s house who got a call about a domestic disturbance at the residence. Windows were broken, bear traps everywhere, torn furniture, chairs knocked over, and it was said to be a home invasion. And eyewitness claimed they seen a group of people breaking into Mr. Peterson’s home and ransacking the place. The silhouettes they used were of rescue squad, but I feel like that was only part of it. They clearly got into an incident, maybe with cultist searching the place for info for their plans which I think is part.

[keen basin]

oh lord

I walked in on something

[dusty trench]

Another part I believe could be Mr. Peterson. Keep in mind through out these and even mentioned here Mr. Peterson is missing. The people watching the channel say didn’t he lock kids in his basement and then say nah it was just an urban legend which is interesting to me. Did Theo hide his name, or what happened, and I’ll get to that later. The people watching get haunted by a ghost class. This symbolizes fear and how tales and such can impact people, and they were just watching about Mr. Peterson so it makes sense. And the whole ghost gimmick in SNN is clearly a mimic of tales stuff and how the folklore in RB’s and symbols have impacted people also because of the events that happened which remind them of these symbols and tales. Not even just Halloween stuff, other holidays and festive stuff too. As in EP6 of SNN, revue squad revives a note from the snow thief and suddenly all the snow is missing. Some people believe it’s Mr. Peterson and some don’t (spoiler it is because the event). This is Mr. Peterson experimenting with weather and manipulating and taking control over the environment for his own goals and experiences, in his ways. And this is taking others freedom, which I guess is why some people say it’s not Theo since it’s really saying that Theo is slowly falling victim into possession to the destructive nature The Guest, and greed for control. Even more stuff of tech and such, like Dr. Morks creations like the light switch in game, and other inventor ability stuff. What if this stuff is to prevent Mayak tech from easier influence, which would make sense from what we see later on. Dr. Mork says to be the creator of the device in prop hunt which we see in the inventors club room in AS. aswell as it used same stuff seen on teleporting device. The device is called the strengthening device in files, basically how in prop hunt the clown class is using all of these to gain power, and in SNN it’s called bathtub thingy ma jig sum.

[dusty trench]

But the strengthening device is connected to the teleporting device in some way that it use those parts. Basically Theo using these for strength is him building his power and control in his experiments, and he is tampering with the kids tech and creations for his own, hence the teleporting device having that same stuff but if actually has a Mayak pole that we see in HE and that’s the teleporting thing that lights up like on the HE cutscene, and the original is trying to stop this weather manipulation stuff, as we see the Raven above. It was probably intended for sum else but then became a tool for strengthening stuff and for Mayak tech. This adds onto HE and the kid studying tech in town and later on learning it to be related to Mayak tech, hence strengthening device being in AS, which is portrayed early on can imply more too and add onto what I said. In SNN is basically confirms in the new GAAP period a ton of stuff is occurring and GA Corp. getting bigger and even characters and children going missing in this time period, even workers too. This ties to the missing kids in HE. And with the stuff and in for we get in games of Lucy incident, SN and HE stuff even with HN2 info, it basically is already revealed in games that GAAP reopened aswell as the whole process of this tying to Museum newspaper in RBBArchives and even just the details and stuff in HN2 alone can show too. In EP8 of SNN the intro is of 3 people trying to break in to the room in Theo’s basement but on where caught portrayed through ghost class. Which adds onto what I said earlier, and even shows that other kids are on their own mysteries and the rumors are starting to get more famous in this period now about Peterson and other stuff like even Guest tales as we see he appears in EP7. And other simmings have occurred. Cult is responsible, and even Theo too some of them, as he is slowly losing his sanity. Cult is the ones pushing all the rumors in slick ways with branding and funding around town.

[dusty trench]

Hence more people breaking in and catching onto the rumors. And even the SN alpha kids being used on these too at times to show random characters and such, guidebook does this too. Speaking of rumors catching on, that’s another thing because cult is slickly doing this stuff behind the scenes with branding, stuff behind the news channeling of town, and funding stuff making more of these rumors popular playing into them just so more incidents can occur and an example mainly Theo would’ve in trouble for it, but they age also targeting others like revue squad and the puzzle masters hence all of this stuff happening and trauma they are experiencing will only make them stuck in so much last traumatic moments, so why not put it in all media too. Funding and making shady deals with company’s, using their company to gain more power using everyone as puppets. In the SNN EP8, the intro had a purple stormy background and a message from the new station. Here is the message.

This adds on more to the metaphorical representation stuff because it says neighbor hood rescue said like they are super heroes which they kinda imagine themselves as to cope and even in SN menu there is a super hero costume in the back, so it’s like a meta message portraying the minds and many stuff Autin HN and exaggerating it to relate to metaphors and symbols, and even characters.

And this message hid a secret message.

[dusty trench]

This message from the last thing with the storm background and this is hinting at Mayak but in a very exaggerated way. In the story Dr. Mork and the rest discover that the message from the snake thief came from the past and they needed to figure out how to time travel back in time during the storm event, which is what your going to see rn.

[dusty trench]

Interesting how this is depicting that during a storm event, almost like depicting S3, which the climactic weapon comic can tie to this as we tied those to any stuff even S3. And this makes sense as in HE cutscene kids get transported during a storm event, and this is how it ties to above discussion and even the badges and such (everything connects to each other in some way) with the kids coping and breaking free from events of the past. That’s what them going into past represents, it’s them clearing it up and trying to live a new life style, the Mayak portrayal is also a hint at Mayak potential and how they have been trying to learn the Mayak tech and the mystery’s in town. They even mention the cycle a ton here too, mainly cause this is tying the loops, Mayak stuff, and the metaphorical stuff and characters minds all into one story that tie to much more. Including the meta and over all views of the messages. Thats why this is for us to see, and we are going to see elements of this stuff in S3. There’s many more stuff in the SNN’s and other trailer material in the series I can cover, but I covered most of the important stuff that I felt can tie to this well. Adding on another detail is in SN there is an item which is a chip with XP symbol on it, and it spawns rarely in game and I mostly seen it on mobile SN. When collecting, it plays the same animation and sound as the Strengthening device and Teleport device. Which it shows a connection between the meaning I explained earlier. And in SNN, it directly shows Mayak affecting people’s minds. But slowly characters start to realize and learn Mayak tech as we see in EP8. When the snow was taken away it was around Christmas times, but then next EP7 it’s Halloween and they talk about it not appearing this season, which is odd that time was pushed back and characters don’t realize when before time was regular. Even characters like Dr. Mork seem to be unknowingly having his mind played with, but they realize how stuff works.

[ripe berry]

Storm is Coming was also the name of Map 3 back in the day before it became "TheSpace" or whatever

[dusty trench]

Yeas I remember that

The Space kinda makes sense but like, it doesn’t compare.

[limber ridge]

You walked into a landmine. Got bombarded with paragraphs.

[gleaming dagger]

hello guys

as i remember alex said that all wtrb characters are aged up, so how old are they in the series?

[limber ridge]

They were 11-13 in the books

By the last book, to be specific

We don't know their current ages though

[dense raven]

I think it's like by two years max

[limber ridge]

Has to be

They are all in middle school in the show

I don't really know what would be the point of aging them up one year, but there's also like no reason to make them older without even acting like that at all imo.

[limber ridge]

When you think about it, if WTRB did go with 6 episodes per season, it would be like a reference to Devil storyline (6 episodes across 3 seasons)

[untold lagoon]

This a coincedence

[limber ridge]

Ik

[stoic juniper]

Ramadan Mubarak nubs

[limber ridge]

Karabum nadamar

[limber ridge]

I just like how in the books the cult is all elegant and fancy-looking and then in AS their cloaks are ripped and nasty and their beaks are kinda stained.

[dense raven]

that'd be mad funny

[limber ridge]

Lol I just found out even Alex mentioned it

[dense raven]

Alex loves his devil plot references

[low kite]

Season 2 episode 5's title is also called "Deal with the Devil".

[dusty trench]

And this directly shows that weather is connected to the time manipulation and loops, as they choose to achieve the time thing during a storm manipulation thing so it can work better and stop the storm. And this shows partially that time travel is somewhat possible, and even in Reset Day while the Mayak effects the world it also effects RB’s the most, that’s why time is a little more normal that period outside RB’s than in RB’s. And they are trying to stop time from going backwards with loops leading the cycle and balance from breaking which they talk about, but I already explained why they portrayed it as going back to the past and meeting themselves above to the discussion I’m replying too, but it also shows explanations for time travel in a certain way but not so over the top. And this shows more on GAAP too and the many stuff they have. Theatre, festival stuff, and obviously candy factories and obviously the park. Likely arcades too with them promoting coupons and such before GAAP and that would make sense with the game. Maybe owning games Nicky and Enzo have played. They have robotics stuff under them and inventors club stuff, which many of this stuff can tie to the imagination aspect and creativity they push in HN and even in the meta view too, with the map and game mode contest can tie in too. And I even tied the meta of mod kit, SN, and HE stuff like that too the Mayak data and expansion well. It can tie to bad things like trying to push an image to drag people into a trap like the circus tent can show, and also the bright side with freedom and stuff for good. And GAAP owns many, many other stuff too. GAAP can have their own theatre place, shops as we see they have, food chains and cafes, and arcades too. And they can combine that stuff to have it in GAAP too, while having their own buildings for them. This ties to when I was taking about different parts of RB’s and even GAAP and the world of HN, tying it to Mayak and the bigger picture.

[dusty trench]

And town is clearly in a cycle in SNN, maybe if many different event periods but most prominently GAAP re opening phases/GA rise. And Mr. Peterson is hiding out and is wanted as we see in in SN and they show them in SNN, even HE and HN2 shows and S&R in a ways too but with his crime history. And S&R ties heavily to this too. Mr. Peterson we see when characters from news station go to Map 4 which has the wanted posters, caution tape and such around town. And then going in basement Mr. Peterson appears, which means he is roaming around hiding out and experimenting while probably getting rid of evidence from basement by guarding it from the investigators and public to see. So during the early periods and such of HN2 like Quentin when knocked out, and even before Theo is slowly getting rid of all evidence and such from his house moving it to his hideouts and museum. Even stuff like snow their add onto his experiments even in Howard adding onto HN1 windmill and why his house was built up like that, other than coping in some ways and even spiritual stuff and relating to his mental and insanity. Trying to get all that Mayak power to him, and prevent a storm from destroying his house. Even adding on to all this is the fact characters are surprised it’s raining normally during Halloween season but are talking about snow for some reason. Question is, how does all of the extra base stuff in his house and roller coaster get removed from the house. A part of that is Mr. Peterson using that stuff for his experiments and such like in GAAP. Another part of it is people even even investigators and puzzle masters and rescue squad breaking in for different reasons, getting into situations like with cultist breaking in and even Mr. Peterson himself, and traps Mr. Peterson has placed, and even vandals who break in to destroy stuff, people spraying stuff calling him a murderer and saying it’s a cursed place for dif reasons. Another part is cult using that stuff for GAAP and their stuff.

[dusty trench]

Mr. Peterson not just for experiments, but even getting rid of evidence and such. Another thing I want to touch onto the coping thing is that Nr. Peterson likely created inventions all around the house for Aaron and Mya as we see many stuff in HN2. Aaron’s and Mya probably created stuff too with their father’s equipment. and maybe some of that was Mayak tech, maybe Mr. Peterson experimenting with that stuff, by seeing how his kids and family interact with the stuff so the Mayak programming can remember them more and their minds, which can tie to the rebirth and transformation thing including Mayak burning down, and even many stuff we see like Enzo and Maritza’s moms death cause maybe she was a puzzle master, and she gained a sickness but because she used the Mayak prevention thing g she wouldn’t be rebirthed with same conscious but memory’s are hidden until she starts to remember, so that left her to be vulnerable and die so early on like we see in books. This shows the cost of different actions, and yes I believe she was a puzzle master at one point because of this and many stuff we see of Mayak and the loops that are distorted. And adds onto rescue squad depicting past AS loops cause of the trauma they went through feeling stuck in last which this can tie to characters having their own loop in certain ways by having so much pain and suffering in one, hence the loops and Mayak giving hints and playing with minds of characters like H&S box art, and even AS stuff being distorted and appearing early on. Because they slowly start to remember each loop period as they beak but the trauma and such in their mind makes it distorted causing their minds to be in a mix of current time and past time, and if hey get consumed too much by the past they will be stuck in the past, so they have to get over fear and trauma if the past events and truth to balance their memory’s our in a way that makes sense and they can move on. And we see this in many different portrayals in all of HN

[dusty trench]

And ties to AS doing stuff related but portrayed dif in the story, and explosion of GAAP being re opened for a long period as shown in SNN, SN, and even implied in other games like HE and HN2 if we get the time periods straight, and if GAAP is open for one day in AS or less than SNN and other stuff portrays it can still work as we can tie it to the other GA buildings and stuff they fund or have, and even SN and other media too. Also this shows that the Mayak storm event atleast in the case this shows and even HE and GN2 is caused by Theo. Even the fact of the Mayak levers being connected to the house and the eye painting too shows directly what I was taking about with the experiments, tech, and all of this.

[dusty trench]

And it can tie to the story as a whole. Even Alex expressing that idea can show stuff.

[dusty trench]

Over time they just got more ugly, lol. But that does make sense, they kept doing twisted things that over time caused more destruction, that it even backfired to themselves.

[dusty trench]

They’re older, but they’re stuck. Time is distorted and corrupted, balance is thrown off which can break the cycle. They are trying to go to the current time period, but are begging dragged to a fogged distorted version of the past.

[dusty trench]

I remember that

MITH clothing

[dense raven]

I love the way the sleeve is in the pocket

[dusty trench]

Yea

Adds a touch of personality

Adds to MITH’s character as he is portrayed so far.

Mysterious, intimidating.

[dense raven]

and that is pretentious

he's trying to be the most generic detective ever (sunglasses at night?? spying from bushes? lol even his clothes) it's so entertaining

[dense raven]

then he either starts comically beefing it out with Guest or doing smth like that

[dusty trench]

lol

[dusty trench]

You seen the MITH vid posted today?

[dense raven]

the one by loodgack?

yea

[dusty trench]

Yea had a feeling

[dense raven]

I'm not the biggest fan of the whole "He's so selfish and EVIL!!" deal but otherwise pretty good

(guess as good as any but still)

[dusty trench]

He’s not, EVIL that’s clear. He may be selfish in a way, like an anti hero fits him most.

[dense raven]

yeah

[dusty trench]

And he tags along with puzzle masters

Which is kinda hinted at even in HG. MITH goes into the tall tower building in HG and he even drives around too to watch from above, and this tower building has a bunch or ravens around it, and a tall thing that looks like a clock. Like a clock tower, which one of the puzzle masters goals is fixing the corrupted time which is related to Mayak, hence MITH trying to find it. And in HE there’s a clock tower in sandbox map too.

[dense raven]

think the thing ontop is a satellite

[dusty trench]

That is also likely

Either way, we know Mayak stuff is directly connected to time manipulation stunts. And MITH wants to know Mayak’s core secrets. And this building is clearly important in that idea.

[dense raven]

I find interesting that for the Mayak event in SN you needed to repair the windmill

or um, needed?

I see it in one version but not in the other

[dusty trench]

You don’t

But

[dense raven]

https://youtu.be/kz2QRILwcGU?t=361

like, rumble on the mill reference much

[dusty trench]

There is (or was) a raven that would fly around the house in a circle and knocking it down would give you a question mark key card. This mystery card would lead to you a room that had a teleporter in it. You had to get this to work in certain ways. You could also dig up the grave with a shovel and get a part to repair the windmill, and there are levers around the map still in game that when pulling all 6 down all at once causes the event to begin. But characters would use the teleporter and guess where it took them. Straight to Mayak, or a lab directly connected to so. You had to do combination sin did rounds by doing the events over again and it would give you many digits each time that linked into one code. This code was for a secret SN ARG that still exist when typing /HGP in the site link, taking you to a button that said don’t press that button and pressing it would give you a password thing to type a code. This /HGP thing was seen on Mr. Peterson’s board in his office which still in game has a picture or MITH, park, Guest statue, and places in town. There even note pads and sticky notes just showing he is taking notes. And getting the password gives you the link to HGP download. The event you can tell was meant to do way more like maybe stop the storm, and windmill protecting Theo’s house. Basically in that vid they combined multiple events to one which you have to do for the HGP access.

This is a tease for HN2 and future franchise material. And while story idea was intended for sum else at the time, ideas can be used for now and are used for now as we see in media.

So in ways, the ARG is important for showing stuff. HGP still technically being apart of SN, in a way. And it just the ARG and HGP, but all of the older versions of HN1 and such have some level of importance, even Pilot for sowing stuff. And we see many ideas being used overtime even if unintentionally by others which shows writers and devs similar though process. As game leaves hints for it still. But they honestly should bring that room back, including the windmill and grave secret. And make different outcomes like maybe stopping the storm, spending on how far progress you get into the event.

This build is archived if I remember it’s this exact one.

[dense raven]

windmill protecting theo's house hmmm

[dusty trench]

I theorized on that before, as snow thief kinda adds on to that stuff not specifically windmill but it can tie in.

And even Theo also trying to make it for windmill to cause storm in some way with Mayak tech, which can be the piece in the grave, and we don’t even need SN for that we have HN1, S&R, and HE featuring windmills. Maybe some Mayak prevention thing.

And HE adds to this too, by directly using mill contraption which is generating lightning.m and more winf speed for a storm. Showing speed connection with this stuff, and the mill contraption is directly connected to the space building as we see which is directly of Mayak and the whole space zone is the most connected zone to Mayak as HE shows. It’s crazy I actually just talked on this windmill and other tech stuff above and many other discussions.

[dusty trench]

Just realized Guest is quite harder to face on HGP than HN2 pre alpha.

I had a discussion with good buddy Frigid in HG before and ideas being used from it in the current canon, and there is actually a ton that very well imply stuff. Here is a message from me.

They first meeting MITH is referring to Quentin and Beatrix. Also meant to say maybe cultist were at park too and at Mayak, they are somewhat part of this altercation in a way. And part of one end of the ideas can also while before S3 and during early S3 or GAAP opening phase, can also part of it take place later on during late S3 aswell like Mayak finale/Climactic weapon, and maybe even afterwards too cause of other stuff like HN2 Guest zone, HE sandbox stuff, and GN2 (and ideas were made for that with MITH who was meant to fit in which can tie into this too and many other point tying it all together, ideas from the last can show us this too in piecing it together).

Theres also these #lore-discussion message

And these and including pic of the Quentin skin #lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

I don't agree with them on MitH and MJ being separate characters (said in their previous video on the HN2 Tapes) but credit where credit is due they did make a decent character analysis
(the HN2 Tape analysis part of that previous video is also pretty decent I'd say)

[dusty trench]

Yea I like the tape analysis of that vid.

I sometimes feel like speaking up on stuff for lore, but usually just form care as it can be so much for YouTube comments and it’s hard to convince ubh, some people on accepting the lore in HN sometimes, as rn it’s better that it even was, and that’s where I get into the deep analysis stuff. But again going that deep can be so much for YouTube comments, so I barely do it there.

[safe charm]

Gonna be honest im not talking about hn lore as often anymore cause its very very flexible

its like a constantly changing one

[dusty trench]

Changing idk

More of elaborating

But I see wym

[safe charm]

i mean at one point the books were considered scrapped lore but now their not i looked back at alex messages and he did imply

the book lore was scrapped

but now we know its not

[dusty trench]

Well he want really implying that really, and that was more of wiki people coming in tbh and some not understanding HN. He was just saying the view of all stuff book had couldn’t fit in AS like the recourses they had and such, so they come up with an idea that would fit AS to compact things in a streamline way.

[ripe berry]

(yeah, you can say what you want about the person behind the channel, but those two videos are decent anyways time to respond to current discussion)

[ripe berry]

I mean, it didn't help that at first it seemed like they WERE retconning everything

[safe charm]

also im gonna be honest idk how you can fit stuff like reset day into the lore anymore

like it goes against so much of what nikitas said

about guest especially

[dusty trench]

I don’t really like to talk about people in community’s much. Idk much about the person anyways as I don’t know them, and I only heard stuff that idk if true and I don’t really care to be apart of cause, that’s non of my business. But yea current discussion.

[safe charm]

like HOW is this a person

[dusty trench]

Metaphorical portrayal

[safe charm]

could be ig but its pretty weirdly told

[dusty trench]

There’s many views of the story in HN and that’s one of them.

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[safe charm]

still dont know wth guest is meant to be in hn2

[dusty trench]

You can look at a mythical or folklore kinda view, but there is only one true grounded world. Which means the truth.

[dusty trench]

I could hopefully cover up stuff based on what we have rn.

[dusty trench]

Not at all, as Alex has the same goal too. But Alex is showing it in his views, but they still tie to Nikita.

As it’s all canon

And many details intentional and unintentional can show the thought process of design, narrative, the over all story, and even other topics of HN that ca all tie together in ways.

Even HN is familiar with a ton of meta stuff, and devs use a ton of messages to reveal such stuff in slick way I believe we can decode.

[dusty trench]

And that’s why I completely understand that.

But at the same time you could figure stuff out. Like Alex at the time of talking about AS I read back discussions and I could tell everyone was just, confused or curious at least. So much thoughts and different vies happening at once on such stuff, that people just started making up their own stuff. Eventually would just be false info and false narratives that kept getting pushed.

They stopped thinking like they were back then in the franchise, and that’s what happens when certain words and way you say stuff can confuse people and their views. I seen back then some people understood immediately, but not all. And Nikita and Alex didn’t want to just spoil everything, but ya know. It created where some people are today. And I can tell that the community in HN is expanding for the better and is experiencing a ton of growth. It honestly feels like how it was back then when we were all so curious on the secret SN ARG and we first got revealed Mayak, Guest, MITH, and much more characters. Hearing for years on the expansion of th HN world and stories in all media, but bridge the scenes stuff was crashing down. And the public media revived things wrong, again. Many false claims on such stuff, and the community slowly spreading apart from what it once was. But now, I can see a return to a beauty within the HN community slowly rising.

[ripe berry]

helps that we got clarifications from Nikita on some things ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusty trench]

Yea

And the media itself tbh

[ripe berry]

I guess we're in a (third?) golden age for the community
the AS has gotten better
the community's no longer as fractured as it was back in 2023

[dusty trench]

I feel like this time especially if TB gets enough recourses, it can set up for the best ages and eras yet to come for the series.

They can fulfill ideas and plans that we can tell they really want to push. And many different things for the community to do, almost like a platform, not just with HN but TB as a whole they really want to expand, like SAND for example. And if you look at many promo stuff, news stuff, plans for games, ideas presented, and many stuff even that can tie to lore, you can really tell what they really want to do with the franchise. Community building. SN social multiplayer aspect even the level editor and game editor, the brawl party modes, HE and the many stuff you can do, Modkit for HN, contest they did and such for many things, the promo having all these dog characters even in lore and such, so many things people can explore in all departments of HN, the whole goal of trying to have an open world sandbox and characters being everywhere that all have dif story’s and personality’s, even the many RBO and multiplayer ideas can tie in. And even the events where there was a timer in HN2 to watch AS in game, and they even aloud you to watch it in SN of all kinds or servers and such, and HE. Etc, etc, and I can point out many more things in specific detail, even in other stuff under TB’s belt too (but this is HN). And HN and its ideas are perfect for this, that’s why they acquired HN, it’s perfect and has much potential, different ideas to explore, and just SOO MUCH to dive into if you wanted too do it. The ideas for HN fit a bigger vision.

I can go into a whole thing on that.

[ripe berry]

especially since HN3 might be able to help the franchise's reputation
anyways lore

[dusty trench]

Yea

[ripe berry]

actually
afk

[dusty trench]

Okay (lol)

[limber ridge]

We will probably when Season 3 releases and ends (which is gonna take quite a while probably)

[dusty trench]

Take a while to release or understand? I see taking a while to release mostly.

But understanding could be, who knows. More talk for the community on aspects.

[limber ridge]

I think that believing AS was in different continuity was fair. Thinking that all the other lore was retconned, being mad when people just tried to use details from the "old" lore to figure out "new" lore and even the arguments that took place is another thing.

[limber ridge]

Well I'm curious what the other 2 were. I think I know one of them but not the 2nd

[dusty trench]

Yea that’s what I mean. And well AS on the surface is a dif continuity. But the more you go in, the more you realize. Even on all aspects.

[limber ridge]

I mean it's probably gonna take a while for S3 release. They gave us an image a few days ago and now they're stopping for a little while, it seems.

[limber ridge]

Tbf not just AS

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Like books and games, also

Even games between games

[dusty trench]

Yes definitely

[limber ridge]

All different continuities but still in the same universe

[dusty trench]

Yup. Dif continuity’s on the surface

[limber ridge]

Which honestly the more I look at messages from Alex and Nikita, the more I doubt time loops is even part of it

[limber ridge]

And the more I think it really is just the perspectives, connected to mayak in some way, not direct brainwashing or stuff like that.

Mainly the "canon is a flexible term" statement

If the loops are part of it then really, canon isn't as flexible

But I'll still hang onto the loops + perspective option

Because some perspective details are kinda too much to forget

Honestly just imagine, sometime in the future, the gang is sitting in a house or whatever, some party or smth

And then Delroy or Finch is just like "hey remember all that trouble we got through to save Nicky from the basement?" And then Trinity is just confused and has to remember it all again.

Okay idk why that was the first example on my mind but you get what I mean

[dusty trench]

I see it as more of that stuff is to keep your feet on ground. Mayak and loops have sci fi stuff, the metaphorical stuff relating to folklore, and even the spiritual stuff. All that can tie into the overall truth of stuff, so vacillating while all that other stuff like loops and other story continuity’s and such in universe are a huge part, it’s all about the characters, nature, and how they drive the story in different way by exploring different aspects of the universe, and that builds the world more. Then you can get into the bigger meta stuff with the devs and secret messages and slick hints, ideas presented and such even in development that can be used as ideas, and understanding the thought process of stuff and different decision and find similarities whether intentional or not can show many things.

[dusty trench]

Ehh. When I explain that stuff it’s more ties to the message right above me.

[limber ridge]

Which stuff are you saying is to keep feet on the ground?

[dusty trench]

For the lore. For us the community to look into and such. Like how there is many different aspects in the lore and different views and stories in universe. Many things we can explore upon, and we ca get close to the full grounded picture they want to tell. That’s what getting past the mythical stories and portrayals means, that’s what fixing the balance and the sci for time stuff means. Combining that stuff and creating evidence, you can get a bigger full picture of the story.

[dusty trench]

HN1 and H&S early books and SN era, then the transition to the next era. SN ARG and events stages when updating was at its peak along with HND HE early HN2.

[alpine crystal]

Simple Hello neighbor alpha-beta lore: •DEVIL STORYLINE• from HN1 pre-alpha to alpha 1, Neighbour (the devil) and God have made a bet on who can get more souls. protagonist is the faust, neighbor is the devil, faust sold his soul to neighbor, faust got in car crash, faust basically dies, •FAMIlY STORYLINE• in alpha 2-beta 3 our protagonist (Nicky) got evicted forced to go back to his childhood house and neighbor is the protagonist father, neighbor abuse his son. "Aroon" in this version is just the protagonist, protagonist save himself from the neighbor and save neighbor from "the thing" representing both trauma and cycle of abuse over the generation, then Nicky goes to graveyard visiting the neighbor...

[dense raven]

Cough, devil storyline protagonist didn't sell his soul to the devil stop comparing him to faust

[alpine crystal]

This is my personal theory about pam being the faust

[dense raven]

Just because the game had Faust books at that time doesn't mean it's entirely comparable to Faust

It had Master and Margarita references too (specifically in most paintings) that doesn't make the protagonist someone from that book or the neighbor Woland does it

[dense raven]

bit baseless but sure thing

[alpine crystal]

I like the idea of PAM being a evil guy

I just sorta like it

[dense raven]

meh

too generic

the devil doesn't really want the souls of just bad people he wants all of them

locking the storytelling behind just the bad sort is mediocre

unless you tie character development to it

[alpine crystal]

Franklin (gods) and Neighbor (devil) made a bet on who can get more soul, I think there is a reason why PAM goes to hell

[dense raven]

but that's hard to achieve

Into The Mind failed that for example

[alpine crystal]

Yes

[dense raven]

😭?? When did PAM go to hell

[alpine crystal]

But I liked into the mind lore

[alpine crystal]

The basement is the heaven

Glowing white stuff is likely a stairway to the heaven

neighbor caught the player, alpha 1 had a bad ending

[dense raven]

that's because it's an unfinished build made solely to show the vision to the game's new publishers

PAM would've survived in reality because otherwise the journey would be pointless

storytelling 101

[alpine crystal]

Bad ending as in story, the ending is good

[dense raven]

what

[alpine crystal]

wat

[dense raven]

what do you mean "Bad ending as in story, the ending is good"

[alpine crystal]

wat

[alpine crystal]

I think it is hard to understand, I like the ending of alpha 1, the ending is a bad ending

[dense raven]

oh you mean that

[alpine crystal]

Yeah

It Not a worst ending

I like the PAM being a bad person

I mean into the mind prove, pam being a physiopath make it work

[wicked heath]

Pam being a bad person?

Its just a dude in coma

What’d he do

[alpine crystal]

I like the concept of him being evil

He probably isn't evil

Again, I love Into the mind lore

Replica of toy story Andy room

[wicked heath]

(They gonna release a toy story 5)

[alpine crystal]

(I hate toy story)

(I mean I love the first 3 of the toy story movie, but since toy story 4, it feels like a toy story is a Disney slop)

[ripe berry]

Pre HN1 FG and HG-HN2 Alpha Era

[limber ridge]

Ahh. Makes sense.

[ripe berry]

(makes me wish there was a bigger HN Lore Community on Youtube...)

[little lodge]

Literally the only recent lore thing I can find other than Loodgack's videos is that comprehensive timeline video from 2024.

[ripe berry]

as per that video that video from Loodgack, my current idea for what the Red Tape says is
(implicitly directed to Aaron) "You shouldn't have pushed her off the roof... now I'll have you keep to your errors..."

[little lodge]

Does anyone know any more HN lore YouTubers or videos?

[ripe berry]

I mean, there's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102JfZ5vn5k

[limber ridge]

Sadly there aren't many.

[ripe berry]

I remember there being some spanish ytber who had lore videos up to Grave Mistakes but their videos are deleted now

[limber ridge]

Like, theories?

Or just summaries and such?

[ripe berry]

part story summary with theories at the end

[limber ridge]

Maybe there's more of them in other languages

Idk

[dense raven]

HG-HN2 Alpha Era was actually the best thing to happen to this franchise man HG/ROTM felt like the most natural progress the series could possibly have

shame it all was for nothing

[dense raven]

my hot take on HN is gonna be that HG's ideas on the surface (Golden Apple Amusement Park centered game, Guest relevance, etc) could still be a new installment in the game with enough effort and it'd still bring something new to the table

even now

[untold lagoon]

What are you say

[limber ridge]

Is that really a hot take

I feel like most people were hoping the story expansion for HN2 to have GAAP and Guest relevance.

[dense raven]

partially maybe, it is still a scrapped HN2 variant after all and some would be against the franchise not really moving on anywhere

(although the final HN2 is guilty of that as well let's be real)

[ripe berry]

(FINALLY an actual solid idea to what the Red Tape says!)

[dense raven]

by moving on I mean to new things

[limber ridge]

It does make sense

[limber ridge]

What's the alternative

[dense raven]

I don't know

I have no idea lol

this is the best I got because what else do you do but expand on what you already have

[dense raven]

Loodgack goated

[ripe berry]

he says while digging a grave (presumably the same one from WtRB)
...a small one...

[limber ridge]

I'm just not exactly sure how it can fit with Ted also doing the burying thing

[ripe berry]

the first bit came from me, 2nd bit from Loodgack

[dense raven]

You can't keep Nicky a secret forever, people are gonna find out what you did! I'll keep o-

[limber ridge]

Huh I legit thought the line continued and you just cut it off for some bit

[dense raven]

no that's where she gets cut off

[limber ridge]

I mean not hard to figure what she was gonna say, just smth like "I'll keep on trying to nail you" or smth like that.

[ripe berry]

so while he's preparing to bury the coins he's thinking of Mya and how he lost his family
and then MJ interrupts him and gets chased
so MJ has Otto call the cops
which is how we get to the scene from WtRB Ep. 3

[dense raven]

ehh would MJ really have Otto call the cops of all people?

[limber ridge]

And Is Aaron with him?

[dense raven]

that's a bit of a stretch I think, long way from the graveyard to Otto might as well call the cops himself lol

[ripe berry]

possibly..?

[ripe berry]

MJ and Otto are friends

[dense raven]

doubt

(that Aaron is with him)

[limber ridge]

I mean yeah

[dense raven]

still

[limber ridge]

But if the line is really this

[dense raven]

it's a bit of a weird thing to elaborate on in AS specifically without elaborating on MJ

[limber ridge]

Then it kind of has to be directed to Aaron

Lest Ted is just exercising what to tell Aaron or blaming cult members for that lol

[dense raven]

yeah but I kinda don't picture him taking Aaron anywhere

[limber ridge]

I mean yeah fair probably doesn't

[dense raven]

but otherwise it's just a bit weird

[ripe berry]

yeah
could be him viewing it as the cult manipulating things so it'd happen

[ripe berry]

either way Otto reports Ted being there

[limber ridge]

Well if he doesn't Aaron is kinda at the risk of escaping or being unlocked

But if he does take him somewhere then

Well, Aaron has better odds at escaping

[ripe berry]

he didn't take Aaron with him if Red Tape is the same events as Trinity's AS Ep. 3 scene

we don't see any hint of Aaron in AS Ep. 3

[dense raven]

I doubt it's the same event

across loops maybe at best?

taking things as literal as it gets in the tape the walk from ted's car to the burial spot is far shorter than ted's walk to the grave in the graveyard would be

let alone the lack of bushes anywhere

[dense raven]

also- yeah just now remembered Leslie mentions him

[limber ridge]

Just now I realised how...
Besides losing his everyone due to the bad luck from cult rituals, Ted must also be dealing with so many everyday inconveniences. Just imagine how much he'd stub his toe, or how often he'd lose stuff

I mean, not just Ted of course.

Probably all the people in the town deal with all this, but still I'd assume Ted just a bit more due to how the cult is targeting him just a bit more.

[dense raven]

he can't keep getting awayyy with iittt

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[limber ridge]

Yes he can

[dense raven]

tbh what are Ted's inconveniences if not the inventor's club

jokes aside he gets many of these

he's almoosst catches up with Nicky and Trinity in ep 1 but gets stopped by a... Pet flap

(Why does he even have one??? Closest thing he had to a pet are crows)

(Imbir?????)

[dense raven]

He was just about to kill Leslie but Trinity shows up

Getting Nicky was his one big success but how much can you really count that when even Nicky getting into the basement meant that he'd be trapped still

then Enzo gets away

then Aaron dips and distracts him

then the cops get him

[limber ridge]

Would the fact that Enzo dodges every single trap in the most something way ever count as inconvenience?

Since he made the traps and all

Probably

[dense raven]

to Theodore yea

[limber ridge]

I guess in this continuity they also had a pet.

[dense raven]

Guest is Franklin?

Nay bro Guest is the Petersons dead dog

[dense raven]

I find the fact that they arrived so fast suspicious, they were either planning an ambush or someone called them in advance

[limber ridge]

We already knew who Frank is.

The Chinese food

[dense raven]

😟

[limber ridge]

Because it says on it "from the pit", if you translate

No way

[dense raven]

MITH cameo trust

[dense raven]

uh-oh

[limber ridge]

Franklin became a pet then became Chinese food

Epic plot

[dense raven]

Franklin reincarnates as a pet

then as whatever they put in the noodles

[limber ridge]

What if Aaron carved it there to let some neighborhood cat in

Idk

[dense raven]

lol that'd be cute

a funny thing is that Theo boarded up the door itself

but not the pet door

and then he's genuinely frustrated about it

[limber ridge]

Oh, nother thing to add to the Ted inconveniences list

In episode 3 at the town hall when Ted comes out of it he has a buuunch of shaving cuts

[dense raven]

YEAH good mention

[limber ridge]

Okay I'm exaggerating

Lilly effect I guess

There were only two but still

[dense raven]

still

[limber ridge]

Pretty big

I guess you could say Ted being right next to whenever a death happens (store clerk and realtor) kinda counts

They are a little past everyday inconveniences though.

[limber ridge]

It might make the blame end up on him, or could make room for a few kids to stalk him...

I have to say I really like when Ted is the one breaking in, returning the treat to others. As we see in Hello Guest, waking nightmare(iirc), a few times in AS. Kinda hope we can get more of those, we probably will given that in next season Ted will break in the GAAP or smth, it seems.

The thing is when Ted does it there's no chasing this man around

Other than Hello Guest technically.

[dense raven]

truth

[dense raven]

to be fair if he can just catch up to Quentin/Beatrix anyway but runs away if they look at him that makes them the hostage of the situation and him the one in control of it /hj

[limber ridge]

True.

Hence the technically

[dense raven]

I miss that whole gimmick of him technically being the one tresspassing and you being the one defending

[limber ridge]

I'd say the power dynamic here is kind of a 50/50.

[dense raven]

inverse of the first game and all

felt like progress

[limber ridge]

Though if he catches you he gets to reset you, if you see him he just runs.

You can't really catch him, just make him go away

So I guess 60/40 is more accurate

[limber ridge]

Like character development lol.

He is healthily sick of constantly having his home broken in.

Problem is he is breaking into the property of not someone that broke in his house.

Still peak.

[limber ridge]

I also have to say, he is better at the breaking in shtick than most everyone else.

Like Hello Guest I think is a pretty clear example.

Even in AS the people he broke in the places of didn't notice him (okay it was only Otto and the school really, but still), until Enzo made a noise. I mean I guess the kids still spot him out so maybe not in AS.

[limber ridge]

It's really cool basically

[dusty trench]

I wouldn’t say it was all for nothing completely. As they did try with patch 9, and even the MITH and Beatrix lore and even stuff in DLC’s, the GAAP secrets in HN2 that tie to many other games like HE and SN secrets and well, the whole franchise basically. HE in its re release gained some traction same with S&R, but still ya know. All of the HH stuff was rearranged, the way it was executed was not the intention. The problems with HN was the stuff going on behind the scenes, and another was the community. False narratives getting pushed that everyone followed along, striving to force things in that couldn’t fit well, and ended up with some people false promoting the product everyone was excited for. I’m happy with Patch 9 and the other stuff we have in HN2, I love HE and S&R, I love the SN in that era, I love HND diving more specific into stuff. I appreciate that and can tell that they care. You can tell from the many hints in game’s like HE, SN, S&R, and some HND, even HN2 itself that it was going to have those places playable with many, many stuff you could be able to do. But, ya know. You can’t fit everything into one without the recourses. And that’s why that era is so split up in the different games and media. I’d say that the 2 “golden era’s” for the community is 1st the buildup for HN1, THE HN1, H&S and the Nicky trilogy, and early SN. 2nd is we have SN ARG, HG and HN2 alpha era, Aaron trilogy times and the GN’s, Reset day, early HE and HND, and the updates to SN at that time, and early AS. This was like an ending phase and closing for that era, and transition phase to the next. And I’d say the epilogue phase era was HN2 patch 9, HE release, S&R, and HND, RBO mystery. Beginning of the current era is AS S2, HN3 arrival, movie prototype stages. There’s part 1 of the era which the community was more shattered and the behind the scene, and then 2nd part is the transition where the community and dev stuff is coming together again.

This is why I feel they should make a new version of HN2 you get few access to if you already have the game, and you buy the game to get this. Most of the promotion for it should be the new HN2 download that is right along side the page of the original release with old patch 9 and such. Like Slender the Arrival for example, they did this. Except make it free for people who bought and buy HN2 in the future and promote it like it’s the main game because it’s what is was meant to be intentionally from all view points in a nice way, and can tie to S3 of AS and have more Guest lore in that aswell as other characters like MITH and Beatrix, even Vandals, more NPC’s and such, quest, NPC’s having more personality in their AI function, and have the park, you can be a guard. And you can play Beatrix view, or Quentin’s view. And you can view many different paths relating to their characters. And lead your own path to the ending and or did endings for what ever your playing. Like how you ca choose to play through museum, or forest. And you can also have a free download to updated DLC’s if you use the originals, and buy game in the future. I know it’s hard, but it is possible. Maybe way after HN3 release an after HN1 remake.

[limber ridge]

What I would want a for a new version of HN2 would just be... Remove the linearity. Let me do what I want, when I want.

[dusty trench]

Exactly what I mean

This version can do that, and it’s right along HN2.

If you buy the game you get this for free, and if you buy DLC’s you get updated DLC’s free. And the updated DLC are not just new areas with story, they are entire prequel storylines you can play through that explain past incidents in RB’s and the DLC’s can also be open world. The Hello-Copter is complicated. They can like remove it and just have it be a rare item in new version and spawn at your news station but is off to the corner where new comers wouldn’t notice yet, there hints being the monitor going to Guest map. But in new version it’s an item you can just find it but at the store. And the original download of people who bought it get a huge gift. SN coins and tickets, free download to HE, S&R, and HND too.

[limber ridge]

(or just a full version of Hello Guest/ HN2 alphas, that would be really cool too)

Oh just now I realise

We're at #lore-discussion

[dusty trench]

I can’t even click the link what’s happening

[limber ridge]

Probably because we're already on #lore-discussion

It's not a link basically

[dusty trench]

Oh

…

[wanton roost]

Hello lore nerds

[limber ridge]

Hello

[wanton roost]

I've been theorising sm in ppt server lol and keep winning

[dense raven]

amazing

[ripe berry]

current rough HN Timeline with HN2 Tapes included (pretending everything is one timeline even though it's across multiple loops)
AS S2 Ep. 1 Flashback
Bosco Bay
Bad Blood
Grave Mistakes
AS S2 Ep. 3 Flashback
Puzzle Master
Missing Pieces + HNHS + HNHS Launch Trailer + HND (Memories) + Nightmare Sequences (Actual Events)
Waking Nightmare
AS Ep. 1-2
Red Tape
AS Ep. 3
Buried Secrets + HN1 Act 1 + AS Ep. 4
Yellow Tape
Package Recording
AS Ep. 5
HNVR
AS Ep. 6 + HN1 Act 2 (Actual Events)
Purple Tape
Green Tape(?)
Blue Tape
AS Season 2
White Tape
AS Season 3
Late Fees
Back to School
HN2
LayoutV2
Hello Engineer
Raven Brooks Disaster
HN2 Patch 9
HE Sandbox
SN
HN1 (In-game)
HND
RD
HN3

might try to make a more detailed timeline graphic of everything in one timeline at some point

[keen basin]

I think I'm set in my dislike of the loops

im fine with the concept but idk I dont like how its over everything

[alpine crystal]

I still think PAM is a bad guy

I mean imagine the character development

Andrew smith is an example of that

I'm a huge Andrew smith fan

[dense raven]

you keep saying that

nearly word for word

[dense raven]

I think it could be neat especially with how Theodore (and Co) show clear signs of being aware and try to use the loops to their advantage but it kinda fumbles as a concept when executed

[dense raven]

like yeah they're learning and they're trying to get the best outcome

but

we don't know if forest protectors were busted majorly or if it were just Gordon and Dale making the exercise a bit pointless if it's the latter (and Reset Day pretty much confirms the cult is still around in the 2020s), we don't really see Mya die at the GAAP in any variation of the timeline (although yes the implication in the book is quite haunting)

and it's just that nothing ever actually changes

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's true. All that really changes is the order of events

And character personalities but I would argue that's a perspective thing

[limber ridge]

(If it is all time loops)

[dense raven]

yeah at that point why even really bother with the time loops

[limber ridge]

It's interesting how even in the books the Guest only made an appearance in 2021 really

[keen basin]

I think it just adds a kinda strange motive to the characters, like everything is going on with the cult and Mayak but then the actually important plot that the characters are focused on is the time loop one thats still pretty much in the background all things considered

[dense raven]

truth

[neon jewel]

The neighbor is Nicky's nachos

[limber ridge]

Neighbour has mid tastes then

[limber ridge]

Wait is there any common consensus on who asked Quentin "How's your weather?"?

[neon jewel]

The common consensus is we don't frickin know

[dusty trench]

Loops is really only, apart of it in views.