lore-discussion

[wanton roost]

There's a sign in prototype 3 of a train and train tracks I think and nikita always thought of adding a train

but he says it's unlikely

[dusty trench]

HE

I talked that earlier

[ripe berry]

not to mention the books say there's train tracks by the Golden Apple Amusement Park and the Weather Station

[wanton roost]

Nikita

[dusty trench]

I know, but saying I mentioned trains earlier and that it can tie in.

[ripe berry]

with the GAAP being confirmed to be in HN3

[dusty trench]

HE, Mr. Peterson uses it for his mill contraption experiment.

[limber ridge]

As of now my ideas on what is causing the earthquakes are:
-after-effects of Ted's time experiments.
-Luck devices somehow got destroyed, or maybe it's due to their burial.

[wanton roost]

Huh so the weather station is nearby the prototype 3 map I heard prototype 3 map will also be a part of the full game

[stoic juniper]

How is Ted

[ripe berry]

👍

[stoic juniper]

Ted Orleans ?

[limber ridge]

Ted Peterson

[dusty trench]

👆

[limber ridge]

Theodore Peterson

[stoic juniper]

Just say Theo 😭

[limber ridge]

ROTM re-use

[limber ridge]

NEVER

[ripe berry]

and HN2 shows train tracks that are meant to help transport wood(?) from the Forest

[dusty trench]

And are at the deep dark woods, closer or the outskirts where Mayak is. As on HN2 map it’s looked like it’s the dark opposite side of town. Like this the outskirts in HN2.

[dusty trench]

And behind the museum

[limber ridge]

I wonder if Raven Brooks like started as some sort of mining site

[stoic juniper]

Were there even mines in Missouri to make it start as a mine

[limber ridge]

I mean from the steam descriptions of the other stuff in the forest update we can tell the forest stuff seems to date back to close to the creation of Raven Brooks, the sawmill for example was used to make a good part of the buildings in Raven Brooks.

[ripe berry]

which I think is meant to hook up to the Forest but the tracks die out just before that point...?

[dusty trench]

I talked that before. Even with the caves being older, but turned into cult base.

[stoic juniper]

You talked everything 😭 🙏

[dusty trench]

Gotta keep watch

[wanton roost]

Underground town..

[limber ridge]

Mining town

Best idea

[dusty trench]

Can still exits in a way because of HE and HN2. Even stuff we have of HN3.

[stoic juniper]

I mean there are mines in the animated series

[wanton roost]

Probably I never played HE or explored it

[ripe berry]

and it makes sense since

[dusty trench]

Also mines can be connected for sewage systems. Catacombs.

[ripe berry]

The Tunnels

[dusty trench]

Which were mines.

[ripe berry]

they apparently predate everything we've seen

[ripe berry]

so yeah, it's 100% possible

[dusty trench]

Because they were mines for the town.

[limber ridge]

Those and the observatory and the devices in some form, I believe.

[ripe berry]

not to mention the Luck Devices contain some weird gem or crystal or something
and Reset Day has gemstones that let you remember the loops which are said to look like fragments of something larger

[dusty trench]

Likely underground mining town, because of how deep well actually is.

[dusty trench]

Talked that before

Lemme find

[ripe berry]

which would likely come from the mines/tunnels/catacombs

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message They found them in mines. In the future with recourse from Roger and Adele used Mayak tech on them.

[stoic juniper]

Holy paragraph

[dusty trench]

Worth the read

[limber ridge]

Bruh.

[stoic juniper]

Let me read it real quick

[stoic juniper]

Hello

Interesting

Read

They stole tech

[dusty trench]

Yea

[stoic juniper]

That's the only thing I remember

😭

[dusty trench]

Bruh

😭

[stoic juniper]

Maybe split it up a bit for my dementia

[dusty trench]

Too late bruh 💀

[stoic juniper]

Ggs ig

[limber ridge]

Anyway what was the topic?

[dusty trench]

Lore

[ripe berry]

no clue, we were drifting to the potential early years of Raven Brooks

[limber ridge]

Yeah that was it

[dusty trench]

Btw these stones and crystals are found in mines, they are real. People see them as symbols of luck and omen. Because of other folklore talking about gemstones and crystals of luck. Similar to these.

[ripe berry]

Raven Brooks could be near a lake and river because it's easier to transport anything from the mines to sell that way

[stoic juniper]

Isn't in HN 2 a lake near the taxidermist

So they do technically have a lake

[charred pumice]

Guys what happened

[stoic juniper]

Or is it the woods

😭

[dusty trench]

And in HN1, and SN

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

and it can also be seen in the School DLC

[dusty trench]

Which there’s even a boat in water in HN1

[stoic juniper]

In HN 1 there is a car crash in the lake

[dusty trench]

The bridge too.

A different view of it for that moment.

[stoic juniper]

Do y'all like anything except for hello neighbor

[dusty trench]

Also in HN2 beta there were an inch of houses flooded in lake.

[dusty trench]

Yea

[stoic juniper]

Like maybe the other tiny build games

Kill it with fire is 1

[dusty trench]

Speed runners and totally reliable delivery’s service

[dusty trench]

Fr

[limber ridge]

Duckside

[ripe berry]

(river because a brook (as in the second half of the name Raven Brooks) is defined as a small stream/river)

[dusty trench]

And even Happys Humble Burger farm.

[stoic juniper]

I forgot duck side exists

[dusty trench]

Yes. Maybe it was just a mining place for super long before they founded there area as a town and that’s why the is much culture around it other than curiosity of mines, ravens, and folklore culture to connect to real world stuff.

[stoic juniper]

And that too

How many car crashes are there in Hello neighbor

I know 2

[limber ridge]

Kind of depends

[dusty trench]

Hence the towns name. Raven, Brooks.

[ripe berry]

the Raven Brooks Forest is probably hiding a ton of secrets
an abandoned Church, the Crypt, a part of the Tunnels, the Sawmill from which most of the wood from Raven Brooks originates, the Golden Apple Amusement Park, the Weather Station, and probably more all rest within it.

[dusty trench]

Likely Diane and Theo met in Raven Brooks as adults because of the marriage photo. She moved there. And year later that had kids.

[limber ridge]

The guest likes hanging around there too, it seems.

[dusty trench]

He would know stuff too.

[limber ridge]

He is kind of on the level of mayak and all the other stuff

[dusty trench]

Yea. Maybe why the kids when they encounter schmoeface in S2 it’s near park, and the outskirts of Raven brooks, close to Mayak in the forest. Which forest is similar coloring and vibe to HN2 forest.

[ripe berry]

I mean there's a bunch of weirdness even in the Forest Level of HN2, Crow Feathers marking paths
some of the photos showing the storm are in nests like the ones the Raven Society made in the books

a random chunk of the forest where none of the trees have any leaves (was Herobrine here or something???)

[dusty trench]

This is The Guest land. His home place of you will. His territory.

[dusty trench]

lol

[limber ridge]

I remember one promotional image or smth had a tree that looked like a cult member from the books.

[dusty trench]

I’m instantly thinking of art of cultist in forest from Grave Mistakes.

[ripe berry]

one random tree that doesn't match the rest of the trees in the Forest at all SURROUNDED by the crow feathers, and if you want to throw in folklore stuff, fairy rings, which iirc are in folklore gateways to another realm...?

[ripe berry]

(thanks to RavenBrooksCitizen for pointing out the Fairy Ring thing back in 2023)

[dusty trench]

Yea. Also even representing a trap. Getting caught and entering a ring might trap you and force you to dance until exhaustion madness or death. Like what we see happen to characters in HN. And even fair rings have representing of losing track of time. Losing years of your life, and coming to the dark realm of the world. Even represented with bad luck and omens. And even like other reality’s a stuff affecting to related to characters minds, having the secluded in fear and madness.

[limber ridge]

Guest world...

[ripe berry]

👍

[limber ridge]

I mean, I don't think it's necessarily like a whole other world but some connection here maybe. Metaphorical or else.

[ripe berry]

(responding to a deleted message) not to mention
doesn't time fail to flow at all in the Forest? (even if that wasn't intentional)

[dusty trench]

I put it in message above

[dusty trench]

👆 this one

[limber ridge]

Or it could also have a connection to pocket dimensions, like sandbox maybe

[dusty trench]

Well I believe all three intentions are intentional. Even folklore stores tie all of those together, into one. Like we see in HN.

[dusty trench]

Which we talked before way above. It can add to it partially being island, and the outskirts of Raven brooks mixed together, even park.

#lore-discussion message

Like it’s island and the teleport back to town with activating the tech. The that takes the to the outskirts of Raven Brooks and likely, leading to Mayak. S3 finale. Which then they like escape outskirts through park.

But Enzo is the one who would remember island more, and most of it.

As she the are doing this, they are breaking the loop more.

So that means if HE partially has S3 finale of Mayak in sandbox, then we better start looking into HE more, and even HN2 with now finding part of HN2 forest is Guest world since it’s his territory. And start really deciphering.

Maybe get close to finding who Guest is. Like part of his identity.

As there is much portrayal of Guest in HE, and he is in HN2 and the Guest area has more stuff too.

[ripe berry]

yeah, I mean, it'd make sense that HN2 has potential hints to what the Guest could be

HN2 was the Guest's main game at one point

[dusty trench]

Still kinda, well, i. But not like ya know.

[willow depot]

What's HE even about I'm pretty out of touch about that

Something something timeloop something something GAAP?

[ripe berry]

if you're just unsure of what game is being talked about
Hello Engineer

[dusty trench]

In HN2 which ties in.

[ripe berry]

oh
what Hello Engineer is about

tldr;

[dusty trench]

Also we can look in S&R too maybe to tie in, and even SN.

[ripe berry]

The Inventor's Club go to the GAAP to get parts they need for a car they want to submit to a state Inventor's Contest
meanwhile Theodore Peterson is also there experimenting with trying to cause time loops and stuff

the ending of the game has them assemble the car but Theodore sends them to the Sandbox mode for the game
they end up escaping and winning the context like maybe a month later...?

[dusty trench]

And when they win is after a reset happens when they escape and after finding out everything, they outsmart the loop and the build the car successfully in next loop period and get car in on time. Which likely won’t have Mayak tech on it anymore just in case.

[stoic juniper]

Mr Peterson is a good guy who tried to help his family

[ripe berry]

I wouldn't call him a good guy necessarily.

[dusty trench]

he gave up

[stoic juniper]

Casual

Guy

[dusty trench]

And went down a path of destruction

[dusty trench]

Tragic villian

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

he tried to fix things but only made everything worse
eventually snapping and becoming no better then the Raven Man/Guest itself

[stoic juniper]

Still better than the cult

[dusty trench]

Exactly

[dusty trench]

Even that part is already in HN2 and HE, so we can tie GN2 even more.

[stoic juniper]

What is GN 2

[dusty trench]

Graphic Novel 2, Raven Brooks Disaster

[stoic juniper]

You mean HN2

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah mb

[dusty trench]

It’s chill

[willow depot]

Lmao??

[stoic juniper]

Everyone here is chill

[dusty trench]

There more to that btw

[stoic juniper]

Are you Royalpear

[willow depot]

I get that a lot

[dusty trench]

Their are trying to get over what happened to them. But they end up getting dragged back in but they figure out how to face their fear more. It also shows the imagination coping portrayal too.

[stoic juniper]

What happened to them 😭

Oh my goodness I shouldn't even be here I don't know anything

[dusty trench]

They got teleported to island and got trapped in time loop and they had to figure out how to teleport back which led them to Mayak and they escape Mayak, but escape outskirts through park.

[wanton roost]

He's uh

Evil and broken

[stoic juniper]

Ok

[wanton roost]

"Did you see Lucy fly she looked just like an angel"

[dusty trench]

Yea, he is not mentally okay and slowly turns evil.

He is not in his right mind.

He made choice out of fear. And not playing attention to reality, and letting bad things happen. He tried but that made everything worse for others, and himself in the end.

[limber ridge]

First loop: he is like mostly good.
A few loops later: he loses his mind.

Kind of

[wanton roost]

A wise someone once said

"Should we be happy when bad things happen"

[wanton roost]

When he tweaked out in the mirror its like he was changing turning even more evil

[limber ridge]

Ted isn't a sadist or purposefully evil or anything.

[dusty trench]

Or atleast just a little more sane than he is later on. A little.

[limber ridge]

But uhh... Far from good

For the books timeloop at least

Or like... Whenever GN2 and Nicky's trilogy take place

[dusty trench]

Not just books. I tied games to being connected to more than one loop period. HE and HN2 as example.

Even S&R.

And GN2 in a way.

[limber ridge]

Yeah I also agree on games being tied to more than one period

[stoic juniper]

He is just theo

[limber ridge]

My way of looking at it is:
AS + a few games.
Books + a few games
HN3 as it's own thing.

Also Reset day technically has it's own loops

[dusty trench]

AS can be too in ways. Like connected to HE and HN2 as main examples. Like Trinity looking back at the loop period but it’s distorted by fear. And that shows no rot characters remembering as loops break.

[limber ridge]

But they're not as grand as the other ones, which is kind of ironic because Reset day is like the time loop book

[ripe berry]

goes to show there's always more to look at/into

(responding to an old message lol)

[limber ridge]

In my eyes it's:
HaS, HN1, HE, HN2 are all in the AS loop.

[dusty trench]

Yea

Much detail to explore

[limber ridge]

Books has: SN, SaR, HND, possibly a few I'm missing

[dusty trench]

Even books can be too connected to other loop periods. Lie Nicky trilogy as example tied to HN1 act 2 heavily and S&R. Eve expanding Aaron trilogy tying to more tan we think.

[limber ridge]

How far does time even loop?

Does it go to like... Frank incident?

90s, When the Petersons move back into Raven Brooks?

[dusty trench]

Bosco Bay and the island crash.

[ripe berry]

oh, and the suspiciously unique tree in the forest seems to also be leafless
(wonder if whatever type of tree it is could have folklore significance in some way)

[wanton roost]

maybe in hn3 we will see this tree

and know that the forest in hn3 is the same forest in hn2

It seems important so why not

[willow depot]

That's pretty cool

[limber ridge]

Low-key curious on how the full Aaron design with purple sleeves would look like.

[wanton roost]

WHAT IS THAR

[limber ridge]

From the pilot

Aaron(presumably) holding a sheet of the main cast's names(Enzo, Maritza and Trinity).

[stoic juniper]

Imagine not remembering the pilot

Jk

[wanton roost]

hm I realize the pilot was actually the books but they made the characters act bad and not mysterious at all

[limber ridge]

Kind of. It was always supposed to diverge a little.

[ripe berry]

y'know, not really lore but-
I wonder if anyone's tried to stitch together even just top-down pngs of the different maps in HN2 into a single Raven Brooks map

[limber ridge]

But they realised that following the books story with only a few changes wouldn't translate that well for animation and decided to mix it up more.

[limber ridge]

Also since we're speaking of the pilot, I'm pretty sure back then they said the next episode would be like... The HN2 intro I think?

So the different perspectives each episode thing might even have been true.

Or was that about the actual show?

[ripe berry]

y'know what
I'm considering doing it
I know how to get the Hello-Copter OoB in Back to School and Late Fees
and I think I know where to find a image of the base HN2 Map

(the one problem is the Hello-Copter is very limited with height so I have to take like 500 images)

[ripe berry]

badly made edit showing roughly where I think the HN2 DLCs might be on the HN2 Raven Brooks Map (since BTS has the lake/River thing to connect with base HN2's map, and iirc the books say Friendly Court is visible on the way to the Middle School so...)

[wanton roost]

Guys devlog 3 is also a loop and nikita has to escape it this proves hn is a loop again

Good night everyone

Browny out

[limber ridge]

Nuh uh

#hn3-discussion message

[willow depot]

back when Aaron was plot relevant, back when Nicky got SIMMINGed in literally the first episode

honestly I kinda digged how back then the plot took characters into GAAP, town, etc and not just his house

Yeah probably a bit too much for pilot and a lot of other aspects sucked (moved too fast, Nicky's cold open dialogue is funny as heck and super bad introduction, Nicky got grabbed in a very stupid fashion and far too early in Maritza was a bit insufferable)

but I think it was still neat

[dusty trench]

Trees with no leafs often signify death, the cycle of life, transformation, spirituality, resilience, endurance, and renewal. It can show a state or need for a deep rest of inner strength during difficult times. It can show the transition between seasons highlighting the necessity for future growth and development. Even a quiet, introspective, and resting state sometimes associated with divine presence or a deeper inner strength. It’s ca slaps show vulnerability and a strong emotional desolation or loneliness. But also the quiet power of being alone, in may ways. It can even show raw beauty and structure, almost like revealing there skeletal structure, representing a form of beauty in a way. So the tree is very complex and it kinda shows the different ways our world operates and even different views on vulnerability and your inner strength, and the power and controlling in life. As it can have good meaning and bad meaning, but it’s trying mb to get many point of views this tree, even the look is completely different from the other trees in game. The tree is almost like it’s playing with your mind having you think about many different things in life, having Quentin think about himself. Almost like a mind trick to leave you more vulnerable and let yourself be under full control revealing all the last of you that are hidden and letting yourself be victim. Which fits The Guest, playing with characters minds and convincing them to do stuff, guiding a path under his control making you like an indirect puppet. Seeing what your strength’s are and using what you feel most vulnerable of and try to take away those strength. And play with your life, and making your cycle under his control, and manipulating the nature and environment even the world’s function and evolution just for their own goal. Taking away other’s freedom and their strengths for your own. And it fits more with this being The Guest territory.

[stoic juniper]

Let's go more paragraphs

[stoic juniper]

Wise words indeed

[dusty trench]

I mean he said devlog. While that does show some kinda of the gameplay thing, it can be a hint of loop too in the devlog. Like how when everyone was in a loop, even afterwards they still are puppets in a way. It shows the legacy of all this stuff, and that even if the loop is broken, the legacy still affects the town and the town members. We can see it. Everything is destroyed and in ruins, everyone is trying to survive and following same task. Doing festival, their jobs repeating, or vandalizing all the time. It’s still like a loop showing the legacy of it. Characters are working hard for survival and they repeat the same routines in doing it. They can unlock something else tho, maybe the full statue. As that is what is trying to be set up, bringing peace to the town again. Which hasn’t been in peace for a very long time. That’s why we see Mr. Peterson looming over the town like we have seen him before. Showing that it’s more than just loops with this stage play or puppet symbolism and such in story. Loops is one thing, but there is more to be explored too. And HN3 we are seeing the legacy of the town in all aspects. The culture, the crimes, survival, the tales, Golden Apple, Mayak, storms, all of that, etc. . The balance in a way still isn’t restored, things are still messed up in town. And it’s still affecting outside of town too as we see. Not just loops and such, the legacy still lives on tho. It’s almost like while there isn’t a loop, someone is trying to set it up again or like make the town members like puppets under control and manipulating the environment to making the town folks act the way they do, making everything worse like an experiment. Like it’s trying to be set up again, but in a different way. And I believe that is run by modern cult now. They live on outside of town and are expanding even further. But they still try to get people to come to raven brooks and play into rumors and such.

[stoic juniper]

Anyways imma got too sleep have a good day yall

[dusty trench]

Have a good day, peace ✌️

[stoic juniper]

Peace ✌️

[dusty trench]

They are trying to have characters I town go mad, and this g to happen to slowly lead for its destruction. Kinda like how Guest was doing. Again following the footsteps of the destructive symbol. And they can just say unfortunate weather cause, as town is known for that but they fit know why tho. But no one would care, because it’s raven brooks. They would just make tales about it, but are some of those tales actually hints of the truth. And Mr. Peterson since he is like the destructor of this, as all of this even cult trying to get town destroyed to erase all evidence. It’s all going to Guest plan and goal. But what if it’s also that, Mr. Peterson wants to set a timeloop to keep destroying the town over and over again. But he is making himself weaker but the day, showing more of the dark side and him just losing himself in destruction, falling victim to the demonic destructed symbols. He is trying to throw off the balance again because he can’t let go, but he is old and is just hiring himself in the process too, so he needs to let go. And Guest is watching and terrorizing the town, because he wants this to happen. And if Guest lives on afterwards, he would probably start terrorizing the outside city too, showing the world the raven man. And if Mr. Peterson were to live on too (like depending on when tow gets destroyed), he would definitely try and destroy the city’s for Golden Apple being there. Unless he realizes and lets go. And we also show Ike know the da y that there is still Mayak stuff on the island (unless it was somehow collected to destroyed). So the legacy ca live on even more, and be bigger than ever. Like a new Mayak evolution maybe, who knows. Or maybe cuz find the island to try and track everywhere the Mayak tech has been experimented with like with the devices which can detect weather and they can use different kinds of devices to track Mayak energy tech and power. Like we seen Mr. Peterson do HE.

[dusty trench]

They find the island, maybe they make a modern GAAP or the fly an airliner for something and don’t sense tactic Mr. Perform did of fake crashing on island, to experiment. And they do that but likely hide the tech more, and they bring tech pieces to places they work to experiment. Maybe with teleportation and they try to go from island and back. Or they take all the tech there and destroy old stuff to hide Mayak evidence. Or someone traveling find the island, maybe storm hat is running on island as it would be in a that stuck process waiting for more people to come. Maybe people have went missing on that island, and it’s because of a stir of something. And when someone goes there maybe an investigative agent, random traveler maybe on boat who got caught by storm. They find that cult is experimenting with this stuff, causing people to die in storms. And they are experimenting to see how this stuff works again and how they ca expand it, and taking tech to their work places. Maybe like Mr. Peterson will be using ride stuff from Paris for experiments, or maybe they are setting up the next GAAP, or multiple GAAP’s. And with the Mayak tech from island, they can still play with people’s minds. And this can be the cause of a new story in the same world, as the Raven Brooks story is over. So we start fresh. And this can add more of the open world expanding later on in the franchise, with way bigger maps and such in the future. They would have to clear up 2000’s, 2010’s, and early 2020’s before HN3 periods but ya know what I mean. We are letting go of Raven Brooks story by seeing the ending of town, and seeing all of the detail comeback to us and things clears up, all before moving onto the next era. Maybe stories of Nikita’s art and his other prototypes in this era, and we ca follow different stories in the larger world of Hello Neighbor. And expanding with new stories in the universe. I can just imagine Golden Apple World existing, or Golden Apple Island.

[dusty trench]

We move on from the story of raven brooks being the center, and movie onto the next. But it all still comes from Raven Brooks, as in our hearts that’s still the core of the story. And we are seeing its impact on the rest of the world, and new characters to rise. Maybe even returning characters like Nicky, Enzo, Maritza. Maybe as cameos or mentions. And they can mention more of what characters we seen in Raven Brooks story and what they have been doing, maybe their lives after Raven Brooks like hinted at or mentioned. Maybe a family portrait. And with some returning faces, the new cast can discover about Raven Brooks to again show the love and appreciation of the franchise (just don’t over do it), but also to clear up story for new characters. Maybe with Mayak tech and machinery, they find data from Rave Brooks and discover a basic outline. Maybe newspapers from outside world talking about Roger and Adele and their disappearance, that the town would describe their disappearance earlier. And eve newspapers of Mr. Peterson’s rides and the tragedy’s there. Maybe even a family portrait or mention to n name of Diane Aaron and Mya. And maybe we can get a bit more on Lisa, like a mention or maybe she went on to be successful outside of town, moving on from all this. And maybe we don old newspapers of the town back before it became twins dj was just a mining city, like a placement in huge mines in a place with a bunch of ravens. Or a history vid or doc we ca hear on mines and that one is mentioned but it’s said that not much is known about it. Maybe thy don’t even know that it was Raven Brooks, but characters can find out by piecing it together based on what they seen of town and heard and figured out. Maybe Harvard find the island, and discover more data on Raven Brooks and the Mayak tech.

I can just imagine the name Golden Apple Universe (lol). Maybe that can be something in the company in this period. Like a beading or franchise, different characters in the universe. Maybe even The Raven Man. Maybe it ca be something like it parallels the story and gives us hints and symbolism on the story with more stuff to work with lien we have in the past with drawings, paintings, and other symbols. That would be really cool. Maybe they can pull a mind trick thing through the tv, not in a supernatural way of course. But like the Mayak how I explained it connects to everything in town even the tv cable system and the electricity. They ca pull that too, maybe a signal of Mayak tech being used maybe through weather and shocks like we see in HE, and it attracts to the electricity of tv and metals too and even cable cord towers we see on tv street that send signals and allot for the tv’s in the area to work and the power. And through that sends and signal in characters minds to be brainwashed or follow under their lead, in a way that isn’t super natural. This idea has been used fire in other sci fi stuff before. I can see that with HN, and even the corrupted tape for HN2 from RBBArchives is like that too, it’s corrupted by Mayak. Maybe when doing that through tents screens, they can portray in a cool way that seems supernatural in portrayal, but is related to a characters perspective, or an audience view and showcase in certain ways. And the kids can like be impacted by fear from that, and come under the control or get kidnapped by cult. And they would like to do it right their show because with the Mayak tech they can play with a character mind to have them follow along with a secret message that is within the episodes, and after following along they can get grasp and it can tell them something in real time and try to convince them to follow along and they get kidnapped, and the can find the person watching the tv’s location too through the Mayak tech because

[dusty trench]

It’s sending that signal and they can use the devices to track it like we have seen before and they can find a characters location, and have the follow and path in a way. Like playing with characters vulnerability’s fears, and having certain things happen with the Mayak tech to lead them into a trap. Like what we have seen before, except they expanded the tech and moved bigger, now it’s more dangerous than ever. They can send a message that can be used to have character gain more fear and as that’s happening can cause bad luck to happen to them and thy fall into a trap. Getting taken by cult. Not supernaturally ofc. This can work without it being supernatural.

[stoic juniper]

Holy crap

Dang vro

But anyways

Good morning

[dusty trench]

Which makes sense considering outside of the part of town we are trapped in like last the sign to enter net part to town, we se Raven Brooks sewer logo. And school being next to library fits. But when you said you can see Frandly court from school, the direction in HN2 view is begin to Peterson house and Otto’s. While in HN1’s view it’s behind the direction road trail of Nicky’s house. Not even tho it is dif, doesn’t mean we can look at other game maps for evidence on stuff and certain placements in different games. It’s like Quentin is trapped in one section of town, but there is more which we see in DLC’s on a different sort of town that is active. Which, we even see houses above on the hill road that we can barely explore because barrier, but we can’t even piece trails together and draw the out on the map to tie stuff. And we can’t even piece even use ideas form like other locations that aren’t in HN2 like the mall and tool shop, and kinda get an idea of town places.

[dusty trench]

The trails behind Gerdas bakery, The Manor, News station, and next to school and library seem to be the more city part of town that’s really active, like we see in AS and where the mall would be. It seems to be that whole entire blank area with the unfinished trail. Which, if you look at the traps the have electrical poles by them too meaning that the are roads. This adds up too considering it is closer to the big city which is outside of town, but that side being more closer makes sense. And even also consider when Maritza and Enzo run away from Mayors house, Maritza we see in EP6 goes deeper to the city side, and Enzo goes to the opposite side to a construction site. Which means, he found his way to the forest area or closer to it. And he runs the opposite direction to the city side but Maritza is gone since she got kidnapped by cult and sent back. That would also fit the police station there considering where we see Trinity go too, the police station and where she runs from. And which the museum would also been part of the more on the city side of town too, which gives me the thought. Enzo got closer to GAAP that moment too. As that would’ve been part of the more active city side of the town, and when Trinity Delroy and Nicky are at GAAP, they run deeper in the first which has that same vibe and look of HN2 forest area. So GAAP would kinda be a little behind the museum. Which fits considering the railroad track, because in HE, and even museum having back entrance leading to the railroads, and him having map of GAAP that he looks at in museum. Mr. Peterson is experimenting with the railroad track connected to a mill contraption, which is connected to Mayak through the space attraction. Which is connected to Mayak. And in HE act 2 the inventors club goes through underground tunnel areas and stuff, and they have railroad tracks like mines, and like the railroad train track which leads to the forest zone in HN2 and in HE it connects to the Mayak.

[dusty trench]

And if you look around that zone even in lobby, it’s all foresty and more similar vibe and coloring to the forest area. And as you keep going in act 2, it gets closer to that vibe. You see the vibes both in the construction zone Enzo is in, and even the forest chase in S2 EP1. Aswell as vibe of the the main more active areas and not the deep forest in Act 1. We see that vibe in the city side of series, and closer to park too. Which even adds onto the theme of act 1 having a ton of car imagery and super active things going on. It’s all exciting and such, like the city side. And act 2 is more like the construction side of the town, and like the mines tunnels and you getting deeper into town literally. And act 3 is the deep outskirts of town and forest zone, where the mines and tunnels lead to which is Mayak. And the lobby area if like the more quiet part of the town like the center, as there’s The Guest statues in middle which in HN2 the middle of town by Mayors house, has the golden apple statues and all around the whole lobby area is the shade of an eye, representing the town but also the cult and how town was destructed. The Raven Man being the man destructive symbol of the demon, and the golden apple showing the trap like bait and the corporate greed of town. Like money catching and corrupting you, the treasure you were looking for twisting you. And Sand box is all of that including the island but I can elaborate more on that later. Which why it’s portraying these places through the GAAP is because the inventors club is going to the park to find the stuff to car, and they get dragged to these places through exploring GAAP. And also that Mr. Peterson is using park attractions and inventions as experiment with Mayak tech, like we see later on when he is using g the railroads as an experiment and using the speed and motor engines of it to run a mill contraption which also has heat and smoke coming out of it like a furnace.

[dusty trench]

Which shows us that something with speed and electrics lightning energy which Mayak and weather can be used for, is used for teleportation. As the boss has the same electric town poles with the Mayak ray thing that we see when kids get transported, in sandbox and in the observatory. More on the park representation is because it portraying it also shows the park representing the tragedy, impacting the town and characters. Bringing fear, pain, suffering, trauma. And people like the cult using tragedy as a basis for themselves, taking advantage of the environment around for their own control. And even people falling victim to the destructive demonic symbols. And the covered up zone in the lobby area which was going to be a haunted themed zone, which the zone parts are seen used in sandbox so it still exist and is kinda used in game. That side in game represents the transitioning side of town leading into the outskirts. Such as Otto’s house and the museum. Mainly the museum tho. And it’s blocked off because the town dost want people figuring out the secrets of town. Even the area in game was going to have a dark greeny coloring to set the haunted mood, which we se in the sandbox a little when that side is represented.

[dusty trench]

And even the museum area and Otto’s area has a kinda greeny coloring and grainy vibe, which both lead into the outskirtsz Even the area past the bridge and even all the water there too. Which in AS when Delroy escapes Otto’s house, he goes into a kinda dark grainy kinda dirt look with the green coloring forest look and falls into a water fall. Which if we look at the water in HN2, there is water tanks in there, trash bags and trash cans, the tent things above the tables at bakery are knocked over. Bathtubs, boxes, decoration stuff. And it’s like the place has been flooded. An incident way of some sorts happened. Even we see picture of storm happening at Museum in RBBArchives. We even see a knocked down tree which looks really old, and it knocks down fence and gate. Which, the red house that says on sale has a trail of the roof leading to the museum. Likely a puzzle masters house. And maybe even, MITH’s house or one he used for a bit. Like it can be the MITH puzzle master house in HN1, but location was switched like the school. And he knows Mr. Peterson and Aaron are at the museum.

[dusty trench]

But that haunted area scrapped and not represented much before sandbox is mostly museums really because it’s Mr. Peterson’s zone, and that’s hard zone is museum which the cult is trying to hide because the truth and past town document stuff is there. And even in act 1 we get passed this old grainy looking water with stuff in it that reminds me of Otto’s area and the bridge zone. So it can be part of Act 1 too, as a hint. And the we get to Act 2 which is more of Otto’s zone kinda style because of the western style, gun imagery, and that kinda Otto vibe, and it’s leading into the mines and construction sites of town, secret tunnels leading into the deep forest outskirts of town where Mayak is. The old town areas, which Act 2 gives us hints of as we go and we see more Mayak experiment stuff like the Mill Train boss, connecting to Mayak. And all levels have roller coaster showing the railroads being all over town, and leading to many places. Which I explained why it’s portrayed mostly through GAAP already so yea. And the truth and picture slowly coming together is shown through the haunted area portrayal in sandbox, showing the museum and like finding the truth from Mr. Peterson. As they know he was experimenting with this stuff on island, and his zone is the museum hiding the truth to everything. And he travels from museum to GAAP, which from there he goes to the railroads leading to the mines and tunnels, to outskirts and Mayak.

[dusty trench]

And his GAAP map can fit somewhere on the map if we fit this together and now that we used info from HE to tie in as well it can work. If we look on the map, it’s the HG map. Which if we look at the map, it’s leading to building which is the guard house. And it leads throwing gates to there which fits consider the back entrance of Musuem and the gates behind there and the railroad too. And even on the map there is parked cars, and by then is a crashed ride thing, in the design of a rocket ship. Which if we know from HE sandbox, kids use rocket ship to escape, obviously portrayed with imagination being used as a metaphor. Which also in HGP, the good ending has guard using the rocket ship ride to knock down wall to Mayak. Maybe it was puzzle masters who knocks it down, and they leave an open path to catch the cult red handed. And find the core of Mayak and all the tech and restore balance, and also study the tech too and its usage. As they are finding Maya, the true Mayak and its source of power, to make sure no one uses it at all because it’s dangerous. Not even themselves because one mistake could ruin everything. And Mr. Peterson knows most of Mayak’s core. As they do steal Mr. Peterson’s bag of tech and devices and they are going to use it in Mayak at the Well for their ritual, based on teasers we get in S3. Also on the GAAP map, there is a circle with an X over it. And if we know from the original HG map idea, that direction or about the area circle on map is is in the direction Mayak is at. And in HG that was clearly Mayak. So that map in HN2 is showing Mayak. Likely as the eye, with an X over it to show it’s the goal, or the area of Mayak as the goal. Either way, it’s Mayak. And adds more onto MITH trying to get to Mayak so he can stop the cult ritual, what Guest is trying to do, and Mr. Peterson too. Also to make sure no one makes a mistake and accidentally ruins something and everything could get destroyed.

[dusty trench]

And we can piece that together in HN2 and HE. As the trail leads to the guard house, and he would be going there so he can keep track and surveillance of the park incase of anyone getting near Mayak. But why have a trail as if the front just knows the place. As he is the builder and he knows the place make than anyone else. That’s because originally, it wasn’t his map. He took it from a guard. A guard that the puzzle masters hired to go to Mayak and catch the cult red handed into one big trap. Used as bait but instead the bait bit the bait never gets caught. And instead the catcher gets caught. And the guard might be Beatrix. As she is protecting Quentin in game and trying to set him to freedom with other Puzzle Masters help and trying to set everyone else to freedom. And is seen as an angelic figure in Quentin’s eyes. As Quentin saved her, she saves him.

[dusty trench]

And show more of older ideas being used to fit narrative. Maybe something cool is if before, Quentin took shift at park as a gig but mainly for his investigation. Like how he would know about Lucy Yi more early on is because he took shifts at park, maybe him and Beatrix would do different shifts or shifts together. And they found her memorial. Can tie into Quentin encountering Guest early on too. Then they find out about cultist, and get with the puzzle masters. And on the ride is likely multiple rocket ships, as that rocket ship looks like a one seater. And the original model of ship in HG is a one or 2 seater and isn’t big enough, and the ride was unfinished because it’s an older build. But the kids still have to repair stuff for the ride by collecting material as the ride would be broken obviously and need to be repaired, parts and such came off when it hit the barrier really hard, not just a ship crashing. He took map to figure out Puzzle Masters plan and how to prevent it. And it’s now his planning map.

[dusty trench]

Omg finally that’s it lol. I had to separate all of that since I’m one message box it was way over the limit like 5 or 7 thousand words ahead in one box. Yes I typed it in one box and then speared lol, I usually have to do that sometimes, or I’ll be smarter lol.

[dusty trench]

Good morning to you👋

[stoic juniper]

Hru

[dusty trench]

Good. Just finished separating text walls.

[stoic juniper]

Nice

What is your time on hello neighbor

[dusty trench]

Time for me to go to sleep, that’s all got in me today lol. Gn.

[stoic juniper]

Good night

[weak cobalt]

Atp this Chat is almost as long as the Bibel I swear

[charred pumice]

Frfr

[ivory wave]

Guys i feel so bad for neighbour his wife and lil daughter died they had a happy life until they died

[stoic juniper]

That's just how it is unfortunately

[limber ridge]

Given how Ted wanted to destroy the town already and was waaay past time loops in GN2, I heavily doubt he wants it back.

[limber ridge]

Just imagine golden apple corporation in spaaaaaace

[limber ridge]

It'd actually be kinda cool if the owner of GA corporation is like someone new that saw potential in the brand, or if it's a descendant of the Tavishes/Raven Society that wasn't down for the cult stuff and decided to turn a new leaf. The rest of the society could have died in the storms, it'd be fitting since whether it's from the devices or of Ted's doing, it's still the actions of the cult having consequences that hit them back in the end.

It could also maybe give the Stranger some reason to visit Raven Brooks, as to see like where GA started from or smth, not sure on this part really.

No evidence sadly, and the GA book even implies the opposite with "visiting a ghost town" being there.

[charred pumice]

I feel bad for Mya too, all she wanted was to play with her brother, but then she got pushed, BY HIM

[stoic juniper]

That little poopy head

He ruined it

[charred pumice]

Dunno, he was a bit sad about his mother's death

[stoic juniper]

Remember when the thought the shadow guy ruined the family turns out it was the cult

[charred pumice]

Yeh

I hate the mayor so much bro

[stoic juniper]

He is terrorizing his own town

[charred pumice]

Frfr

[dusty trench]

That’s can be a motive. Maybe it’s not that they say like go to raven brooks. But it’s like an implication of raven brooks, and he figures why not go there to see the history of all this since no one cares about it much. And considering it’s from there, it’s a good way to gate people to go there. And tbh y ca haw the excuse that the area go too dangerous and they moved but decided to expand, showing more of them playing in the rumors in a realistic way. And the book not directly saying go to Raven Brooks, but implying it and that it’s public info that GA is from Raven Brooks’s which no one knows much about so having spending from there going bid out of that town big. So saying that the place was dangerous or stir happened there, perfect way for people to spread rumors based on what they seen and heard there.

[dusty trench]

Maybe some people in company aren’t cultist since it’s higher now an not everyone is an elite member to be cultist, so they would be tryna end the damage, maybe.

[stoic juniper]

Look who's back from sleep

[dusty trench]

Wassup

[stoic juniper]

Sup

How was sleep

[dusty trench]

Nice, I was theorizing in my sleep (lol)

[limber ridge]

Oh it didn't mention Raven Brooks specifically. That removes the wrench I guess. I mean there are 99 other things in that book, and ghost towns are cool so yeah.

[limber ridge]

Getting hello neighbor lore from dreams is peak.

[dusty trench]

And idk, it feels like it would be bad business deduction to say, go crash down at town where you might die and a bunch of people go missing and it’s half abandoned. Oh and extreme weather.

[dusty trench]

Literally. I like have to find the key and unlock rooms in dream world and let me see ideas. (/j)

[limber ridge]

True.

What are all the times Quentin passes out? I think it's whenever he gets a museum key and also when he picks up the shovel in the museum, am I missing anytimes?

[stoic juniper]

Wasn't he also knocked out in the car crash

Then by Peterson

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message . And this, #lore-discussion message .

[dusty trench]

Because he found his son in plain site.

[limber ridge]

What's like the common consensus on who carries Quentin to the banner when he faints? Is it Beatrix? The guest? The cult? Smith?

[dusty trench]

Beatrix maybe, but Guest is stalking around and impacting Quentin’s fears more as shown by the nightmares in a way. Like a metaphorical presentation. Quentin mostly envisions himself and not Beatrix or Guest as she goes is because he is trapped in his own fears, stress, and pressure. Also his head injuries but it’s not like he doesn’t know Beatrix is there, it’s just fear capturing him and he keeps coping in dream reality in his mind. But Beatrix is helping him to reality, as Guest is trying to keep his mind contained by having his head be damaged more as stuff goes on, and for things that fear him to have him pass out since he is in a head injury and he would pass out if realizing something shocking that would fear him. He’s already going through enough, and Beatrix is here to help with that.

[limber ridge]

Adds up.

[dusty trench]

If you think about it, it’s kinda like the Faust plot. Even with Mr. Peterson there falling victim to the symbol, and all the other stuff it’s pretty cool to think about. Idea rearranged to fit narrative.

[limber ridge]

Yeah.

So him like... passing out after picking up the museum keys, it kind of implies those have some negative connotations to him.

Probably the cult relationship

Maybe the cult had some sort of connection to Beatrix's disappearance.

[dusty trench]

Likely

And Quentin saved her in some way.

[limber ridge]

Franklin, Beatrix and Mya's losses all do have overlapping stuff

[stoic juniper]

Do you guys want hello neighbor remastered

[limber ridge]

Not lore wise no

[dusty trench]

Yes

[stoic juniper]

We could sprinkle in a bit more lore

By we I mean they

We are not the owners 😭

[limber ridge]

I guess

[dusty trench]

I feel like they can just make things more clear. Angie it to more stuff. Like HN1 left the breadcrumbs for this stuff, and the remake can tie it directly.

[stoic juniper]

We could maybe have a new act

[limber ridge]

Not a rewrite, I mean

[dusty trench]

Yea no rewrite

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

But sprinkling more hints to already existing lore would be nice

[stoic juniper]

Yeah it shouldn't

[stoic juniper]

True

[limber ridge]

So long as the game still focuses on Peterson and Nicky and trauma and not on the cult and time loops.

[stoic juniper]

Yes

Because that would ruin Hn 1 from being a normal horror game

Cuz it was just that

[limber ridge]

It's not a horror game. Or at least not supposed to be one.

[stoic juniper]

Before the cult stuff

[stoic juniper]

It was supposed to be one

[limber ridge]

It was supposed to be a strategic thriller

[stoic juniper]

They failed. :boohoo:

[limber ridge]

But a debate on the purpose of Hello neighbor gameplay is not something related to lore unless we'd be talking about error world.

[stoic juniper]

What is error world anyway

[dusty trench]

Well it wouldn’t ruin a remake to add hints and tie to newer stuff. We see it with RE Reamkes. But having the new stuff be focus would be weird and it would really be a remake too much.

[stoic juniper]

I wish I wasn't so slow

[dusty trench]

A secret act kinda. It was related to an ARG that was pretty meta on purpose. Like a message or thank you letter from devs. But it left breadcrumbs for later such as Mayak.

[stoic juniper]

Oh

Ok

[dusty trench]

Like the unreal engine missing scripts portals are related to that.

[limber ridge]

An arg where the neighbour from the alphas, betas and full game (HN1) is aware of being a character in a video game. The player has to release Ted from constantly having his code be messed with by both the player and developer.

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah I entered one of them

They are weird af

[stoic juniper]

Good to know

[limber ridge]

Just imagine if the game being made as a thriller but marketed as a horror would have relevance to error world lore.

[wanton roost]

*comes from the unknowingly way possible(

Any theories

Debates

Anything?

[limber ridge]

Hello buh-browny

[stoic juniper]

Chat I'm listening to peak

[wanton roost]

Ehello frigid the frigged the fr4igi4des

[stoic juniper]

HN 1 is iconic

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message these text walls.

[limber ridge]

Where I was going with this is that, maybe, just maybe, Beatrix somehow disappeared by going down the tunnels

[wanton roost]

That's alot to go through dang..

[limber ridge]

Because Mya's loss overlaps with Both Franklin's and Beatrix's quite easily(in both it's someone's sibling being lost, Franklin and Mya can overlap one step extra with how they fall, but Franklin and Beatrix have almost zero ways of overlapping from what we know. So that could be a way)

[stoic juniper]

Petersons life is sad

He lost brother Mya wife and he lost son in season 1

[limber ridge]

Also tunnels are connected to cult, so given Quentin passing out when he picks up a museum key, with cultish details, it'd make sense

[wanton roost]

I see we're in an interesting topic now..

[limber ridge]

The idea that Beatrix could have disappeared in the tunnels was first suggested by the #1 HN3 fan, but the key passing out, imo, can add some evidence to it

[wanton roost]

Speaking of beatrix I think they took her for a sacrifice

[limber ridge]

Actually keys are used to open rooms and like spaces, tunnels are passageways, so spaces, so that can add even more.

[dusty trench]

While playing. Hide and Seek. Likely. And it add up with these #lore-discussion message . And even with Quentin knowing about cult early on makes sense. Just not as much as when Him and Beatrix become guards at park and Quentin becomes journalist. Quentin saying Beatrix. And Beatrix saves him.

[dusty trench]

Or while Quentin and Beatrix are playing H&S she gets lost in tunnels and then by cult so she front reveal too much. And Quentin saves her.

[limber ridge]

Probably. But I still think she was somehow able to survive or escape.

[wanton roost]

but if she saved her sister I don't think quentin would care about the other kiss in raven brooks

I mean hear this out

As a child he used to play with his sis and sis got kidnapped

He lost someone he loved in this town

He grew up and noticed other kids being missing like Lucy yi and aaaron and mya

[limber ridge]

And Nicky

[wanton roost]

He wanted to save the kids bc he couldn't

[dusty trench]

But even then he would want to know the truth about what he and his sister experienced to get over that trauma and fix it.

[wanton roost]

I dunno bout that I mean I think season 2 is before hn2 after al

[limber ridge]

I agree.

[limber ridge]

True

[ripe berry]

HN2 is in a weird spot with how it treats Nicky

[limber ridge]

But Nicky has a missing poster or smth in one of the dlcs iirc

So dlcs could have taken place before season 2

[dusty trench]

Quentin was searching for Nicky early on.

[dusty trench]

They do

[stoic juniper]

Wait he was

[ripe berry]

HN2 DLCs treat Nicky as missing still
but they occur after S2 Ep. 3 when Quentin would know Nicky's fine now.

[dusty trench]

Yes

[stoic juniper]

When

[dusty trench]

DLC’s

[ripe berry]

or else the School thing is weird

[limber ridge]

Yes, in back to school or late fees, don't remember exactly

[dusty trench]

That time period

[limber ridge]

Or both

[stoic juniper]

I never played or watched them

[dusty trench]

Both

[limber ridge]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Back to School

[limber ridge]

Ahh. So I would guess BTS is before LF.

[ripe berry]

it could be either or, Late Fees never acknowledges which kids are missing

[limber ridge]

True

[wanton roost]

that's one of the big reasons why it's hard to think about wtrb being before hn2

[ripe berry]

I personally have it as Late Fees -> Back to School

[wanton roost]

Let's think this through its been weeks since nicky was in the basement

[limber ridge]

Are the suspects pictures there in BTS?(Blacked out pictures of Ted, mayor and Otto)

[wanton roost]

And maybe school dlc took place during ep 5 at night?

[ripe berry]

no

the images I showed are all the pages shown in those DLCs

[limber ridge]

Mmm. That makes me think LF is after BTS even more.

Because it's like Quentin is progressing more towards who he wants to investigate

If that makes sense

[ripe berry]

here, Quentin is trying to search for pre-existing info on the students/missing kids

[ripe berry]

here Quentin's digging into the town history to form a list of suspects (or trying to catch himself up on the town's history idk)

[dusty trench]

Oh yea makes sense because Late Fees takes place before or after that. Likely after.

[dusty trench]

Oh so it’s before

That fits

[ripe berry]

(although thinking further BTS -> Late Fees makes more sense)

or
no wait yeah it could be either way

[dusty trench]

Yup right here

[wanton roost]

I don't really get the lore behind late fees

is it something to do with the cult

[limber ridge]

The kids investigation stage feels like it should go before the suspects list stage

[dusty trench]

Nah before makes more sense be she he so trying to catch himself up on town history more, before he gets into diving deep on missing kids. Even tho he was there as kid, he wants to know the in depths.

[ripe berry]

either he's digging into the suspects because he's made a criteria for who could be behind it from the info on the students
or he's digging into the missing kids to narrow down his suspects

[ripe berry]

we aren't 100% sure ourselves

we have pieces but aren't sure exactly how they connect

[dusty trench]

Oh wait actually that makes more sense

[limber ridge]

Given all the trouble Quentin went through to save Aaron and also the incident with Beatrix, I think the first option is likelier.

[dusty trench]

Before he would know more town history, and learn even more in back to school the after late fee.

[ripe berry]

(ironically Late Fees and Back to School are on the exact opposite of the "understanding what's going on just by playing the DLC" scale)

[wanton roost]

Pieces of what? The cult?

If so can I see them

[limber ridge]

Eitheway works really, just BTS before LF is slightly more likely imo

[ripe berry]

what Late Fees lore is

[wanton roost]

Oh

thought you meant the cult or smth my bad

Brb yall

[jolly pelican]

Bts and lf meaning?

[limber ridge]

School dlc could be in the time gap between ep 4 and 5

[ripe berry]

however 2 of the librarians ARE likely in the cult

[limber ridge]

Back To School and Late Fees respectively

2 HN2 dlcs

[ripe berry]

(middle one here and the current one in HN2)

[limber ridge]

Eye librarian and current librarian (for who doesn't know who he's referring to)

[ripe berry]

the 4th one here has what seems to be the Archives book in their hands so I call them the Archivist for the time being

[limber ridge]

All of them look like they haven't slept in ages sheesh.

[jolly pelican]

So the whole "upper" class of raven brooks are cultists

[limber ridge]

Archivist specifically

[ripe berry]

and there's also the most concrete piece of information regarding the Late Fees DLC
this article from helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives
(btw no this isn't about the events of the Late Fees DLC but instead occurs at an earlier date as the motives for the reporter in this article to go to the Library aren't the same as Quentin's established motives for going to the Library in the Intro the DLC added in one of Patch 9's Hotfixes)

and there's also the heart-like furnace in the basement that seems to... pump ink throughout the library?

[limber ridge]

Is it normally green in the middle or is that a lighting thing?

[ripe berry]

there's also the wallpaper theory RavenBrooksCitizen and I have where each floor of the restricted section (outside of the top one) represents a generation of the Librarians, going from youngest to oldest to help organize the photos of the librarians in timeline order
(1) Floor - Blue Wheat Wallpaper (N/A)
(2) Floor - Purplish-Gray Arrow Wallpaper (Current Librarian)
(3) Floor - Blue Flower Wallpaper (Cultist/Eye Librarian) (Archivist also was born in this generation, but wasn't the Head Librarian)
(4) Floor - Another Blue Wheat Wallpaper (???) (not Archivist, she wears Red and Purple)
(5) Floor - Green Wallpaper (Green Librarian)
(6) Floor - Red Wheat Wallpaper (Red Librarian)
(7) Floor - Final Blue Wheat Wallpaper (based off math, this Generation would be children during the founding of Raven Brooks)
Furnace/Heart Room - Black Brick (based off math, if this floor means anything this Generation would be adults during the founding of Raven Brooks)

[ripe berry]

lighting

[dusty trench]

The green ones.

[ripe berry]

(and as I think I mentioned awhile back, it's probably a heart because this is quite literally on the floor that'd be the heart of the town, the people who founded RB under the wallpaper theory I mentioned)

how everything with Late Fees connects? Idk

[wanton roost]

Huh was the latest librarian theorised to be quentins mom

[stoic juniper]

Really?

[wanton roost]

I think not sure

It's the 4th one

[ripe berry]

her?

[wanton roost]

Yep

[ripe berry]

yeah, we have theorized the Archivist might be Quentin's mom (credit to RavenBrooksCitizen awhile back for the original idea)

alongside MitH/MJ potentially being Quentin's dad because the evidence stacks up, including Quentin literally having one of MJ's shirts

[wanton roost]

Interesting

I guess one of them are solved

[limber ridge]

What Is the word on the bottom of the archives book?

Is it wayron croobian for something?

[ripe berry]

(which in terms of color scheme is similar but slightly off from Beatrix's (lighter and darker colors swapped) and somewhat matches Pumpkin Kid's outfit so MitH could be Pumpkin Kid, which HGP supports kinda)

[ripe berry]

Archive
Kairyve -> Airkyve -> Archive

[wanton roost]

In alpha 1.5 mith was on a cable car or was the idea of them being different scrapped

[limber ridge]

Ahh

[wanton roost]

Ik the alphas aren't canon but

you get the point

[ripe berry]

I just take it as them just being on and off about it

like in HN2A1.5 they were random people minus Guest Kid

in HGP one of them resembles MitH

in HN2 FG Alien Kid became Gerda

[limber ridge]

In alpha 1.5 the pumpkin and alien kid all died as kids.

[eager island]

no

[ripe berry]

may I point out that Alien Kid, who became Gerda, is always depicted wearing polka-dot clothing
and adult Gerda, while wearing a different color, also wears Polka Dot clothing

[eager island]

guest kid was alive which is the neighbor

[ripe berry]

so the clothing can potentially be used to link them to people in the present

[wanton roost]

Makes sense now

[ripe berry]

their role in the story can change between alphas

[wanton roost]

Was this quentin family tree solved like a while ago

I just realised something if quentins dad is mith and his sister is beatrix (onviously) they were both mentioned in the forest

[ripe berry]

somewhat
January 11th 2026 was when it was spread to Lore Discussion
me and RavenBrooksCitizen had the idea privately (aka dms) back in 2024

[wanton roost]

So was mith trying to figure out what happened to his daughter

[wanton roost]

Oh I see

[ripe berry]

possibly? I mean it WAS said he was investigating missing persons

[wanton roost]

And it says disappearances so more

[ripe berry]

and his last known whereabouts were at the Church in the forest

[wanton roost]

so mith had the same goals as quentin maybe probably trying to solve aaron and mya nicky and his daughter

[wanton roost]

and quentin was at the forest as well but not caught

So this is like another loop situation

[limber ridge]

Missing people in general probably.

[ripe berry]

Beatrix is never SAID to be missing in the forest actually, it's just implied

[wanton roost]

Maybe I don't know what other kids could be missing other than the kids from hello engineer missing posrer

[wanton roost]

This just brings more evidence I think

More evidence that mith is beatrix and quentins father

If she's not missing

Why else would a journalist try finding her

[ripe berry]

unrealted but may I note if you want to identify Guest Kid, only the Guest themselves and the Archivist also have Purple and Red clothing... take that as you will

[ripe berry]

she's said to be missing
but not specifically in the forest

[wanton roost]

Wdym by "not specifically"

[limber ridge]

It's not said she went missing in the forest

[wanton roost]

Sorry I'm just out of note on that

[ripe berry]

as in they never say a location

[wanton roost]

I feel like i heard about smth of them playing in the forest

[ripe berry]

they say they went missing playing Hide and Seek

the forest is just an assumption

[wanton roost]

we never exactly see those posters around town

but one in the forest which is weird

[limber ridge]

Which is why people theorise she did go missing in the forest

but it's not yet confirmed.

[wanton roost]

Yeah and guest probably torn down the posters

[ripe berry]

(aka it's completely possible Guest Kid is now the Archivist and Pumpkin Kid is MitH, meaning all of Quentin's family except himself could have a history of going missing in the forest)

[wanton roost]

Yknow what they say good theories lead to good answers

[wanton roost]

Archivist is who again? Quentins mom right?

[ripe berry]

ye

[limber ridge]

Last we know of Quentin is he did faint in a building located in the forest.

[stoic juniper]

Where in the forest

[limber ridge]

The church.

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah

[limber ridge]

HN2 patch 9 ending.

[stoic juniper]

Where is patch 10

We need this

It's been 2 years

:boohoo:

[limber ridge]

Scrapped 🙁

[wanton roost]

Thing is we never see hints of the mother did we? Or Is there smth I haven't seen yet like guest kid

[stoic juniper]

I hate everything

[limber ridge]

Tbf patch 9 was supposed to be the story expansion

Patch 10 never existed

But still, that wasn't complete.

[limber ridge]

Or actually..

[ripe berry]

you might call me crazy
BUT this is what I currently have for Quentin's family tree (Frigid said some of noses resembled an image of the books Tavish designs so we slapped them in, Norman has similar clothes to Quentin so I assume he's somewhere, and Ike... we all know how Quentin-like Ike's design is)

[charred pumice]

What are y'all talking abt?

[ripe berry]

potential Quentin family tree

[charred pumice]

Ohh

[ripe berry]

starting from here

[ripe berry]

@wanton roost about why I was saying Archivist/Potential Quentin's Mom could currently be Guest Kid in lore

[wanton roost]

I'm not gonna lie man I also thought one of the librarians are also the historian lol

[ripe berry]

yeah, it just fit too well to throw the Historian in with the Librarians from Late Fees (plus patched up the one noticeable gap in the wallpaper theory idea (#lore-discussion message)

[wanton roost]

I don't see who else it could be tbh and kinda makes sense except that gerda is just in there but you get the idea

[ripe berry]

yeah

[wanton roost]

It makes so much sense

[ripe berry]

👍

afk

[limber ridge]

Norman does have a few more similar features on him, long fingers like the archivist has comes to mind, there was smth else I forgot too.

[willow depot]

where was it said that a journalist was tryna look for her

also wouldn't it just be Quentin if so

because of all the coffee cups by Beatrix's grave

which he drinks

[willow depot]

unless if by journalist you just mean the MJ's researched disappearances

which are um

[wanton roost]

It's a theory because mith being beatrix and quentins dad

[willow depot]

I think a bit out of range for the time frame for it to be Beatrix

I dunno I don't think that has much narrative merit

Quentin is already the traumatized relative with a detective-esque profession who was implied to visit the graveyard

MITH would essentially just be a more mysterious copy paste of Quentin in that case

but theories are theories I guess

[wanton roost]

kind of like that in a loop way

[willow depot]

ehh

[limber ridge]

Any lore

[dusty trench]

I think that Ike could be on the Archivist side of the family. That side of the family last name is Gershowitz. And Ms. Tavish original last name was Gershowitz. Archivist would’ve changed her last name to what ever Missing Journalist last name is (aka MITH). And possible last name is Wingate from what we discussed before. Norman Darby is like a close friend likely.

[stoic juniper]

Yo chat active again

[limber ridge]

Active for like one message lol

[stoic juniper]

Lmao

[limber ridge]

Unless we keep it alive somehow

I wonder where the earth pro subplot would have gone, if anywhere.

Probably just a way to remove the park though.

Actually wait... At the start of Reset day we do see 2 earth pro workers, Bruce and Hal, like... excavate the GAAP or smth. By the end of the prologue a pit opens in the ground and Hal (iirc, could have been Bruce) falls in it. It does also say Bruce like gets pulled in by some gas or smoke that emerges from it, not sure if the last part is to be taken literally. If Bruce really did survive that, then maybe he could have returned some time if it was a triliogy.

[dusty trench]

And maybe Librarian isn’t cultist. What if she just wants to protect the ink machine because it malfunctioned before likely because of cult because she decided not to follow in her mother’s steps who is cultist. She’s trying to protect it because it’s dangerous but no one realizes not even Quentin and it’s like a cousin fight. Quentin is super curious and pretty clumsy, and she seems more serious an stricter. Can show more of character’s making mistakes but they learn from it. She might not want to be apart of the investigation anymore and thinks it’s too dangerous because maybe she made a mistake and caused the heart ink machine to malfunction after trying to see its secrets connect in the library she doesn’t know about like the towns history, but then she accidentally caused an incident with the ink we see in game. Also the ink has a purple effect in game I think that can be a hint at the ink heart representing heart of town, and be connected to Mayak too. Maybe using Mayak tech to store ink and see is they can create something. As we see the ink moves in game to have us bounce in those platforms.

[ivory wave]

His sun is alive

[stoic juniper]

Yeah but he lost him

The son escaped

[ivory wave]

In s1 animated series

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[ivory wave]

He did

Bro im gonna feel so bad for the neighbour

He has nothing

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[stoic juniper]

Good night

[lean gyro]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Esteemed Scholars of the Digital Realm!!!
I stand before you on this most momentous of occasions to illuminate the hidden truths lurking in the shadows of the labyrinthine corridors of Hello Neighbor!!! Today, we embark upon a journey of unparalleled intellectual daring!!! A voyage into the deepest recesses of mystery and intrigue, where every creaking floorboard, every suspicious glance, and every shadowed corner conceals secrets that defy the imagination of even the most intrepid explorers of video game lore!!!
One must pause to marvel at the sheer audacity, the staggering brilliance, the near-mythical cunning of the Neighbor!!! He moves not merely as a man, but as an embodiment of suspense itself!!! Every step he takes, every door he slams, every furtive glance behind the curtains is a symphony of strategy, a choreography of tension, a testament to the artistry of fear itself!!! Can one imagine the mind capable of such feats of theatrical genius?!!! Truly, we are in the presence of a being whose complexity rivals that of the greatest enigmas of history!!!
Consider, if you will, the staggering implications of his nocturnal vigilance!!! The silent watches, the meticulous patrols, the uncanny ability to appear where one least expects!!! Is it merely instinct, or is it an elevated consciousness operating on a plane far beyond our comprehension?!!! Scholars have debated, philosophers have pondered, and yet none have dared to approach the profound depths of his reality!!!
And now, after exhaustive contemplation, after traversing the winding halls of hypothesis and conjecture, after navigating the turbulent seas of speculation and deduction, I stand before you, armed with the culmination of my scholarly inquiry, ready to deliver the revelation that will forever alter the annals of Hello Neighbor understanding!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen… brace yourselves… for I have uncovered the ultimate truth… my theory is that the Neighbor urinates four times a day.

[dusty trench]

It is truly a tragedy. But a part of it tho if you really look, he had it coming. He fell victim to the thing he hates and fears. He wasn’t just running away from Guest, he was running from his fears, he was running away from mistakes and consequences that he has to face to grow better. And decided not to move onto the future. His work and experiences only made things worse, for him and his family. He was driven to by madness, fears, and inner mental issues. And he was running away from a darker part of himself. But the demons caught up to him, and is now consumed by rage and anger. Falling victim to the demonic destructive symbol. He chose to manipulate the environment around him for his own reality. Blinded by false hope and later on got consumed by his experiments and control. The consumed by destruction.

[dusty trench]

A way to express Mayak’s evolution and it slowly learning and developing. But it’s developing into something destructive and dark, cause to tragedy. Showing more of the dark destructive path town goes down, but it’s even worse. Ive talked about the Mayak evolution before, and this can add onto the way more. This ca show the impact of the hurricanes too, but Mayak is the developing life form in a way, drawing you in further. It can even get out of control if it keeps getting pushed in its functions. Who knows what would happen if no one can stabilize it fully. Because it keeps developing more power, and a little mistake or tweak could ruin everything and leave it out of control.

[autumn matrix]

Have you guys ever saw those shadow mans in the alpha like alpha 4 that shadow man behind the neighbors house in those suburbs neighborhood?

The black creature

Is that the old version of the modern shadow man or something

Like the one in the basement of act 3

Or are they both different

[dusty trench]

the thing isn’t a creature and is in the games. the thing is the metaphorical representation of fear and trauma in the hello neighbor universe. It is a general representation of fear trauma, and can tie to other things in emotion and show stuff abut other characters. Lie in the first game it’s shown mainly through Nicky and Mr. Peterson. No character can actually see or interact with the thing, and any mention of him or sighting is a message that if you piece the details together, is saying something else that’s a little deeper. Even when a drawing of the thing exist or a character, “sees” it, its metaphorical and shows something to us the audience. It can show the different views and story’s in the hello neighbor universe in a different way that has deeper meaning, and shows us something.

[autumn matrix]

In the actual gameplay, we dont really see the shadow creature in alpha 4 except for the newer shadow creatures in the betas and the pre release and those later builds

[dusty trench]

No the character’s technically in reality and grounded view, are not seeing it at all.

[autumn matrix]

And i still wonder whos really in the basement trapped

And its either aaron or the shadow guy

[dusty trench]

Aaron, Mr. Peterson’s son

[dusty trench]

It’s not the thing

It isn’t real nor is it a character

It’s a message, being metaphorically portrayed

[autumn matrix]

Its only in act 3 basiclly

[eager island]

theyre same character with different context

[dusty trench]

No

[autumn matrix]

Which is just a big nightmare

[dusty trench]

Not really. It’s self therapy.

[autumn matrix]

Oh

[eager island]

fg the thing is metaphor for trauma
alpha the thing is metaphor for bad parenting

[dusty trench]

Dreams are apart of it but it’s not the full thing.

[autumn matrix]

And the thing in the act 3 interacts with you, it makes you restart when you try to go past it without overcoming the supermarket fear minigame

[dusty trench]

Which at the time was also still like fear of trauma from the bad parenting. It’s different context for who it’s portrayed with.

[dusty trench]

Nicky isn’t interacting with it, it’s a message.

[autumn matrix]

What is it

[dusty trench]

He is battling his fears.

Not being taken up by past trauma. And moving onto the future.

[autumn matrix]

And beating the supermarket is like overcomign the fear so you can go past the fear

.

[dusty trench]

That’s one fear. It’s portrayed from two events.

[autumn matrix]

Are the events in act 1 and 2

During his childhood

Or is it just his past fear of being in the neighbors basement and getting caught and being locked up

[dusty trench]

No not really in the events of act 1 and 2, but in the map (atleast one of the events). The super market. And yes it’s in his childhood. Now first was when he was 3or 4 years old and was left in a cart in the isle of a super market by his grandma. And the second is when him and Aaron were pulling pranks in Ms. Tillmans shop, the super market in HN1 map. And one of the pranks they played fart audios on a speaker, but it caused a whole scene and the police had to get involved. And their parents came and they had to be split up.

[autumn matrix]

Wait

[dusty trench]

That’s his main trauma, also because of what he has heard down there, and what he has seen.

[autumn matrix]

Wa the one where they pulled pranks in the map like outer map past the invisible walls?

[dusty trench]

The market is, but not the actual prank itself. The prank is represented, and is in the game Hello Neighbor Nicky’s Diaries and the Nicky trilogy books.

[autumn matrix]

The supermarket behind the neighbors house and a bit left?

[dusty trench]

Yes

In that game’s view of map.

[autumn matrix]

Pre release build is the worst out of all of the games i played of hello neighbor

[dusty trench]

Imo pre alpha is the worst

But thy are test

And I still love it, because it’s a test foundation for HN. Just to show one concept of game and not the whole thing. The look of game wasn’t even meant to be realistic.

[autumn matrix]

Beta 3 is not the worst but super hard

Cuz its hard to reach the fear closet minigame

As theres no ladder

[dusty trench]

Yea glad they fixed it in act 3 and it functioned better.

[autumn matrix]

In beta 3 the only way i could reach it is by flinging myself super high and gliding there with the tv

Because the tv was so buggy that i could use it to fling super high into the sky and just glide to it

[dusty trench]

I have community post’s on the history of HN and things that went wrong behind the scenes and what went well. This covers the history of development in the franchise. I can send here if you want me too.

[autumn matrix]

Sure

[dusty trench]

Alr

[autumn matrix]

Thanks

[dusty trench]

No problem

People let me know details I missed please 🙏

Tried my best

[eager island]

hn is before empathy

empathy come to nikitas mind during hn1 prototype times

[dusty trench]

Thank you. I know the name empathy was during HN1, but Ima add that.

[eager island]

also lns was not like a project name it was a codename for hga1

• hnvr was meant to be hn2s vr port and they were probably planning to release at the same time but this idea was abandoned early on

[dusty trench]

Oh did I say like it was the original name for project.

[eager island]

yeah

[dusty trench]

👍

Alr lemme fix that

Okay gotcha. Thanks.

[lean gyro]

Ok

[dusty trench]

A few small things are edited now and refined, and some more detail in development too. Thanks to Kryptqn Veronica for reminding me.

[velvet fossil]

This is a place to discuss lore, not to discuss or theorize about real people or promote channels. Thank you for your understanding.

[dusty trench]

Alr mb

[limber ridge]

Eh. It's his whole family, people outside of him suffering too, alongside the fact that the cult hasn't faced near as much consequences. I still feel more bad for him than I'd say he had it coming. Especially when his suffering starts as early as like... teenagehood at least (Franklin).

[dusty trench]

Oh no I wasn’t saying that he is just like, the cult. Hence I said he was driven by fear, madness, and inner mental issues. Which we know why he has mental issues. It’s because of what he experience from the Ravens Society. And he would just blind himself with his dream reality to cope with himself, especially when he felt he had most hope. But blinding yourself by it can have your mind be out of touch with reality and that isn’t good for you, and can leave you more vulnerable to danger to come your way. And well, look what happened. Slowly more unhinged as time went on, and became a maniac. And his experiments still only caused more pain and left more breadcrumbs for others looking for even more power and control, and ruin his life. He left a clear gateway for his vulnerability to be taken advantage of. So at this point, he became more desperate over having control out of fear of the bad luck catching up to him. And he doesn’t want to get driven by anger and rage. Because he isn’t just running away from that, but he is running away from a darker side of himself. He doesn’t want to lose himself. Trying to stop himself, but it’s already too late.

[vagrant igloo]

hot take
deltarune is canon to the hello neighbor universe

[stoic juniper]

😭

What

The

I came back from sleep to see this

[shy blaze]

[limber ridge]

Here's a fun fact: we've seen a red eyed crow outside of AS.

On the top right corner you'll see it.
(Also the position of the crow, it's a little like it's peeking from behind the phone, which shows an image of Peterson. Maybe some symbolism)

Pretty sure on the cover is Piper's mom, due to the purple phone case (Piper's was yellow).

[dreamy sluice]

piper's mom was eaten to death by the guest canon

[limber ridge]

Someone who gets it.

[wanton roost]

Nice catch actually

[dusty trench]

This was her way back home. The night she disappeared.

[limber ridge]

Might be but, i haven't completely went through it yet, but didn't she disappear like during morning?

Though from what I have went through, it does seem like the anti-time loop gems are part of a luck device.

And also Guest took Enzo because "he had something that he wanted"

Doubt it's one of them gems though, as I'm pretty sure guest would have took Jordy, Jess and Maritza as well since they also have gems.

Even Jordy said that if the guest had wanted to capture Piper, Delia and their mom, he would have (back when they encountered him in the forest)

So I think the same would apply to like... Everyone else.

[ripe berry]

plus the cover is outside while the text in the ending was sent inside

[limber ridge]

Also that.

[ripe berry]

only other canon red-eyed crow outside of the RD one is the one from WtRB S2. Ep 1

also may I point out that the "Nest"/Guest World is RED in GN2?

[limber ridge]

Yeah I was thinking of that one when posting this, then I remembered the pilot ones.

[limber ridge]

Know what else is red?

"dig deep for the way out..."

[ripe berry]

the-
the Red Key...

the one used as the lock for the Basement
the one used to escape in Act 2 (not canonically but still)
the one used to escape in HN2 (I think)

[limber ridge]

And the gemstones of Jess and Marcia, but I doubt that's as important.

[limber ridge]

The one that supposedly should save Aaron but does not.

At least not from our knowledge/directly.

[ripe berry]

EXCEPT remember Quentin using the Red Key in HN2 is the final thing we do in the base game (since Forest's a sidequest)

[limber ridge]

Ohhh

[ripe berry]

it's the key you use to end the bossfight

[limber ridge]

Anyway where I was going with the red key... The guest gives it to Aaron close to the end of SaR right?

So another Guest connection.

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah!

[limber ridge]

Also red represents danger or alertness, in SaR the music and vibe when the Guest is next to Aaron definitely seems to be trying to give a sense of danger or alertness.

[ripe berry]

mmight I also add Red Key being the one Enzo grabs when they're preparing to save Nicky in AS Ep. 5

the Red Key specifically seems to be tied to freeing people

[limber ridge]

Although, you can make a thousand of connections like this, but you get the point. And it's not like it's the only thing used to connect Guest to the colour red.

[ripe berry]

in Act 1 the Red Key's used by Nicky to try to free Aaron
"the Red Key will set you free when the time comes"
in AS Ep. 5 the Red Key gives them hope they'll free Nicky
in HNVR the Red Key is used to free Nicky from the basement
in Act 2 the Red Key is a method to free Nicky from the house
in HN2 the Red Key is used by Quentin to free Aaron

[limber ridge]

Seems like it saves Nicky more than Aaron.

But yeah, freeing people definitely connects to it.

[ripe berry]

oh, and of course in Act 3 it's used to lock up one of the Fear Rooms, which are ultimately used to Free Nicky from his trauma

[limber ridge]

In Reset day the keyring has a red gem

Gems which can essentially free people who own them from the loop.

[ripe berry]

only time I think the Red Key/Lock is used for something else is at the end of Act 1, it actually prevents Nicky from being free alongside the Yellow and Green Locks

I think Nikita said smth about the locks in that context representing Nicky's fears/trauma? and how he wasn't able to... free himself from it, so-to-speak?

[willow depot]

In Act 2 the main gate is unlocked with a red key

[ripe berry]

ye I mentioned that

[willow depot]

Oh

My bad

[dusty trench]

Well yea both have Mayak tech. Like a luck device to not get your mind and memory wiped.

[limber ridge]

Can this freedom connection tie to the Guest in any way?

[dusty trench]

Was the time said? Because it can still be dark outside.

[willow depot]

To be fair Aaron dips right when Theodore is distracted with Nicky

So arguably it saves Aaron as mich as Narf

[limber ridge]

Fair.

[dusty trench]

Maybe Guest took Enzo. But maybe cult is coming after Piper Delia and the rest. But idk it just seems weird kinda. Maybe it was Guest using the Mayak tech to hack the cellular systems, which Ivan kinda talked about or implied, and why he made that phone device. And Mayak has proven to be able to do that so yea.

[limber ridge]

But it's in one possibly uncannon ending, while it frees Nicky in many canon ways.

[ripe berry]

may I note Missing Journalist (in the outfit he and Quentin share) and Beatrix also have Red if that's anything noteworthy for this convo

[limber ridge]

The guest kid also has more accentuated red stripes, than purple or whatever colour it's on her/him outside of red.

[ripe berry]

and the "Archivist" has some red clothing/earrings, alongside the Archive book being Red, to tie in Late Fees stuff

[willow depot]

....Dude noooo

[vagrant igloo]

guest kid is still the neighbor until it's said he isn't

[willow depot]

MJ is Beatrix

[jolly pelican]

So ummm why do people say that Quentin trying to save aaron in hn2 is bad, because this kid was abused. He was in a basement provided with little to no hygiene plus he was prevented from vital education for a child hos age

[limber ridge]

No not really.
What makes you think that?

[ripe berry]

close
I think MJ might be Quentin and Beatrix's dad

[willow depot]

MJMITH I assume

[vagrant igloo]

Nikita said in an interview that he is
and until we are told otherwise, that is still true

[ripe berry]

ye

[limber ridge]

Didn't he say that about the alpha 1.5 storyline?

[stoic juniper]

Hello chat

[ripe berry]

also
the Museum is colored Red
potential MitH/MJ House in HN1 is also Red (pictured below)

[willow depot]

I already made myself clear on that, we have quite a lot of "investigators" and I think making them all related and share a tragedy is mediocre, prevents from covering much ground, y'know

[vagrant igloo]

yes
but there is nothing that disputes it

[willow depot]

It's solely because the car is black isn't it

I could kinda see it

But on another hand doesn't the "secret base" concept art debunk Mith being related to it

Refering to this

But then again like

This is scrapped too

[ripe berry]

he can have a secret base AND a normal home, y'know

[limber ridge]

#old-rbo-discussion message

[ripe berry]

one's a hideout because he's "missing" while the other is his actual home

[vagrant igloo]

ok

[stoic juniper]

Isn't that the taxidermist house

[ripe berry]

AS S2 Ep. 1 kinda does

since we know Alien Kid's Gerda

[willow depot]

This is Hello Guest/Rumble On The Mill era

Maybe reused for his house

[stoic juniper]

Oh ok

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

That would make sense

[willow depot]

Yet he's moving out precisely from here

[vagrant igloo]

not really

[ripe berry]

because of the storm or smth because ain't there a series of concept arts showing MitH trying to skip town?

[wanton roost]

quentin family tree lore again?

[vagrant igloo]

random thought just now
during the franklin episode
why are franklin and ted the only ones not wearing costumes

[ripe berry]

kinda yeah

[limber ridge]

I started out by mentioning this:
#lore-discussion message
Then we started doing red key connections.

[ripe berry]

...idk

[wanton roost]

ig cuz they dont wanna risk being bullied looking like idiots who knows lol

[limber ridge]

Busy parents or smth.

[wanton roost]

i js realised smth as well

[ripe berry]

???

[wanton roost]

franklin was graduating college at the time right?

[limber ridge]

"Who would I go home to before I graduate" I think was the line.

[wanton roost]

miss hanging out with you before i graduate as well no?

[tacit barn]

How old was Franklin before he died?

[limber ridge]

Oh the line you put is actually the correct one.

I misremembered

[tacit barn]

Because he looked young to go to collage

[wanton roost]

somehwere around an age of a student going to college

idk

[limber ridge]

Probably not college, I'd say like high school

[wanton roost]

yeah maybe

[limber ridge]

Or it could be college I guess

[tacit barn]

Maybe

Yea

Younger students can go to collage at 16-17

[limber ridge]

Imagine if they made him the size of an adult though

That'd be...

[wanton roost]

what about the red key connections

[limber ridge]

You can read the convo a little

[tacit barn]

Traditional Students is usually 18-22

[willow depot]

Fair but like

Figured his actual house would take priorityu

[wanton roost]

it would be proof that raven brooks allows 18 yr olds to fight children

[tacit barn]

??? Why

Isn’t that like

Illegal in real life

Or what do u mean

[limber ridge]

Tbf no one was supervising them

[wanton roost]

nothing supernatural in raven broooks nothing illegal in raven brooks/j

anyways back to the lore

[ripe berry]

ye I say that too

[willow depot]

#lovemayortavish

[ripe berry]

though at the same time

Franklin being in college would make sense

because why is a high schooler at the Middle School?

[tacit barn]

In the books Mr Petersons parents built the mayak weather station right?

[willow depot]

Yes

[wanton roost]

wow i didnt realize red keys were actually everywhere

[limber ridge]

I guess but the sizes really throw me off.

[ripe berry]

both options are a bit confusing

although...

[willow depot]

Franklin's just having his growth spurt kick in late in

[ripe berry]

there is precedent for the Raven Brooks Schools using other schools due to an incident

[willow depot]

I can't read cursive

[ripe berry]

the Middle School's chemistry class explodes so they transfer the kids at the middle school to the high school

[willow depot]

Imagine Wayroon Croobian

In cursive

[limber ridge]

𝓗𝓪𝓱𝓪

[willow depot]

What did you say

[willow depot]

...the school blows up again?

Heh, full circle!

[ripe berry]

the Middle school potentially had an incident like that twice

[wanton roost]

whos the school principal the janitor?

[willow depot]

Raven Brooks is legit crazy man

For a small town that is

[tacit barn]

It’s like raven brooks was cursed

[willow depot]

Sure hope that didn't happen!

[willow depot]

Anyway I blame Aaron

He probably breathed near the school

[limber ridge]

Going full circle both lore wise and out of universe wise

[willow depot]

Absolute circles

[ripe berry]

then again it depends in-part on if the articles in the RBBArchives are in timeline order or not

[willow depot]

What year even is this

[wanton roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308037172238090252/1457634388929151109/true3-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[limber ridge]

Which article is this? Like number wise, second, third?

[willow depot]

Haha real funny Ffff

Fri

Fridfe?

Fridge??

[ripe berry]

third

[limber ridge]

𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓰𝓲𝓭, 𝓸𝓫𝓿𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼𝓵𝔂

[ripe berry]

first is Terrible Storm Strikes
then Horrific Car Accident/Diane's death
then Perilous Chemistry Lessons/the school blows up
then the Raven Brooks Sign Falls Again
then Peterson's Missing Children
then Search Continues (weeks after Aaron and Mya disappear)
then Final Museum Closure
then Abandoned Monument of Architecture (aka the Investors announce they won't fund the Museum and that they'll seemingly buy something else)
then Garden Gnome Contest (aka Mayor sets up gnomes to spy on people)
then Library Cards Cancelled
then Another Kid Missing (Nicky Roth)
then finally Missing Truth Seeker (MJ goes missing)

(in terms of the articles in RBBArchives)

[willow depot]

Dude

[ripe berry]

there is one more article that exists in the ytber packages that isn't in the RBBArchives but it doesn't matter at all to the timeline

[willow depot]

Love how the only good news here is gnomes

Which turn out to be conspiracy spy devices

[ripe berry]

and the THEYCROW tape is accessible just before Raven Brooks Sign Falls Again

[ripe berry]

the funny thing is I don't think it was ever reported

[willow depot]

It takes to shatter one

[ripe berry]

there's two types of backgrounds
News Print
and Notebook Paper

[willow depot]

And Tavish's mansion gets burnt down and becomes a vandals attraction

[ripe berry]

Car Accident, Chemistry, Peterson's Missing Children, Gnome Contest, and Library Cards are notebook paper (or uh, written on something that can't be a newspaper)

[ripe berry]

I will note the problem with that idea

the Museum seems to have been abandoned LONG ago

the Final Museum Closure is the only newspaper that looks aged

[willow depot]

What happened to it again

Oh timing

[ripe berry]

Not even Terrible Storm Strikes is aged and that one's from the 50s (40 years before the Archives could have been made)! Which implies the articles are out of timeline order

afk

[willow depot]

I dunno I'd argue it had to be recent anyway

How does Ted put stuff in locked rooms that he has no keys to and then locks them with the same locks

[willow depot]

At least the key theft I mean

[limber ridge]

Feel like what the investors bought was something for the cult rituals. Doesn't it also mention something about the item only bringing bad stuff in the past?

[willow depot]

Why do they want museum closed anyway

Cover their historical tracks?

[limber ridge]

Possibly.

Not sure if it's their intention though

Might just be the museum closing down due to not being visited or needing renovations

And then they refuse to fund for it because they wanna fund for something else.

Maybe the medallion the cultist in the front wears in this painting?

[willow depot]

Probably but you know how it is

[limber ridge]

Maybe it's part of a luck device or smth.

[dreamy sluice]

they still use cartonsix nc, huh

[limber ridge]

Here's me hoping the people dressed in black that interrogated Piper's mother aren't actually cult members because she didn't mention them having any beaks.

[split oriole]

where is this from?, its the first time i see it

[limber ridge]

Raven Brooks Banner archives

https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives

Password is HATCHERYWINGATE

all in caps.

[split oriole]

thanks

[dusty trench]

How do you believe it was caused?

[willow depot]

eh they exist in reset day either way iirc they do their uhh

trademark writing thing on Ted's house

[limber ridge]

Do we know that was them though?

[willow depot]

I'm pretty sure it's their thing

[limber ridge]

I mean yeah they are the only ones we've seen use the omen and cursed graffiti

Okay no I don't think there's any way to justify that

[willow depot]

sadly

[limber ridge]

still hope HN3 gets rid of them 🤞

Like completely. Not In Raven Brooks not outside of it.

Gone

Banished, dissavowed.

[ripe berry]

forgot to say this does NOT mean Final Museum Closure comes before Terrible Storm Strikes
the Museum has stuff for the Alien Kid and Pumpkin Kid

[ripe berry]

yeah, that's the problem, the apparent age of the paper implies it comes early on
but that implies it occurred shortly before HN2

(because there's a MAJOR problem. either the Museum closes before Ted moves in and he can't put stuff in rooms that should be locked. or the Museum closes after Ted moves in and for some reason he isn't caught and arrested)

specifically the keys would have to be taken after the HN2 Intro since Theodore could access that safe
so then why is the newspaper saying the keys were stolen in Ted's basement, and why is there no sign of who wrote it? (because it can't be Quentin, he was unconscious, and I doubt they had whatever substitute was writing the papers write one because Quentin was unconscious)

yeah no that's a problem now that I think about it more

[dusty trench]

Likely it’s new people who pick up all this stuff and probably GA Corp was soled to them and they okay in the stuff and become greedy as we can kinda tell with the idea rn. Old ones are likely dead or retired from cult and have all their greed blood money somewhere. Older ones are dead, and some of even alive, will die. At the hand of Guest, Peterson casing storm and it his outside of town. And the current GA Corp who is basically modern cult would die from the storm too.

[dusty trench]

Other people and journalist can write on newspapers too it doesn’t have to be Quentin. Quentin is the main investigative journalist tho, doesn’t mean he’s the only journalist or the only newspaper person.

[marsh idol]

not a single WTRB s3 news

[dusty trench]

Mr. Peterson runs away and take a his son Aaron, out of rage and fear of getting caught he knocks Quentin out. Mr. Peterson then hides away and doing his experiments, but he was caught trespassing the GAAP, as we see in HE newspaper, and he is suspected for some other missing kids. His main home staying base would already be the museum as we see his map, his investigation board, and the railroad tracks and if you remember me talking about the town layout in HE and HN2. After realizing that he has been sneaking around, they realize they have to hide the keys to museum and lock all the rooms up of Mr. Peterson’s investigations and proof of secrets. While he wasn’t at museum likely, and maybe he killed cult members who he’d catch. So they steal all the keys when he is gone, or maybe he was there and they didn’t know. Or more like he came back through back entrance find and kills them. But yea you get the point. And they know that Quentin will be searching around town trying to find Mr. Peterson. Why they don’t just call out Mr. Peterson on the spot is because, they are leaving the hints to guiding Quentin, so he can break into the Peterson house and not only that, but find Aaron so they can take him. But what the cult doesn’t realize that, while the worship Guest, and this is going all according to what Guest wants. He isn’t one of them. As they barely would even encounter Guest, and we know that Guest is guiding Quentin for his own goals and manipulating the environment around him, and Ravens too and in a way play with Quentin’s mind as he is trying to keep him under his control, Beatrix and the puzzle masters are trying to guide him to freedom. But what makes more sense for the picture we see in HE, to be Beatrix who caught him on the pic (or another guard). If you read my previous theory, then you will know why I say Beatrix as an option.

But after cult realizes stolen keys and Mr. Peterson is trespassing GAAP and home is at museum, they lock all the rooms and the museum by finding all the keys. became he lies investigations there, and likely Aaron. And the towns secrets ca he exposed too because of Mr. Peterson’s board, and they don’t want his proof to be lying around for Quentin mainly, but also Beatrix and the puzzle masters, also even lil rescue squad too, and If people are going to break in or sum ya know but, mainly Quentin and the puzzle masters. So it was likely Mr. Peterson who stole the keys at first and locked the doors. But then cult stole them when he wasn’t there, so his evidence is hidden and so he can’t continue his work. The photo by Beatrix of him caught trespassing park influenced them more since the can keep track on when he leaves to break in. And Mr. Peterson we can’t forget, the back door of the museum on 2nd floor is blocked from inside. So that how he moved himself inside, and can still leave and experiment but is more careful now. But he is planning out everything in museum. And in this way, Mr. Peterson doesn’t even need his board anymore. As he feels like the cult were being idiots and that they tricked themselves and helped him. But in reality, that was part of their plan, and now they have Aaron. And what they don’t know is that, this is what Guest wants for himself, and not the cult. Guest plan was to make everyone think they were winning. But it’s all just a game to him.

[dusty trench]

Which, HN2 tapes maybe. Which one ca out is closer. Also, HE can show stuff too. As we see Ravens and magnetic fields connection. And even some stuff of life death and luck. That can tie to Guest. And we get many Guest representation and hints in that game, not him physically not the game shows that rescue squad encounter them, even SN and S&R. And I explained how HE shows the S3 finale in a different way yay we have to realize. And that connects to HN2. And we might realize it from S3 in detail Easter eggs and other stuff that shows HE, but in a different way. And HN2 as well since HE and HN2 directly connect.

These directly tie in, #lore-discussion message
, including this, #lore-discussion message , and this #lore-discussion message

This too #lore-discussion message . And this #lore-discussion message .

[cursive kraken]

Beta lore: the Necky is the neighbor son because you can see picture in apartments,going to the old house,saving neighbor

And everything good

[dusty trench]

While you were originally Mr. Peterson’s son, he didn’t really uh, save him per se. He went back to old house and looked back at old memory’s and he still felt fear and trauma from how his father was a bad parent because of rage and anger. So he envisioned his rage and anger by breaking into his childhood house. As he went through like the fear mini games, that’s a symbol of him learning more about his father and what he went through to try and understand him and what he went through, and why he was the way he was. And even get over his own fear of his childhood. And in the end, it was a symbol of not really saving his father literally, but he understood his father and kinda more understanding a more human side of his father and kinda forgiving him. And him protecting an envisioned child version of his father was a symbol of the more vulnerable side of his father he never got to see and he is protecting that for himself. And the end of his father walking out the exit door to freedom, is a symbol that when the son is going out the door to freedom, he will always understand his father and what he went through. That’s why at the no f the original story, he is in the basement looking at old family photo. And why at the beginning and end, the house is ruined. But in gameplay the house is in tact and more exaggerated. Because of fear and trauma of the place, but it’s also his imagination being used as a metaphor almost like a cooing mechanism. He’s balancing reality of the truth, and hopes and dreams of overcoming his fears and understanding why his childhood was the way it was to unlock more power over his fear and understand his father more.

[eager island]

neighbor is

dead

[dusty trench]

That’s why the son goes to graveyard church after he leaves house in ending (forgot to mention that right above).

[eager island]

idk how would the tutorial part work on that storyline

because there was meant to be act 1 in that storyline too

[dusty trench]

Maybe it was Nicky’s nightmare of the past, and he envisioned himself as a kid to represent him feeling more vulnerable he was as a child. This is his fears fully taking hold of him, and his memory portrayed through a nightmare. He is envisioning himself breaking into the hose as a symbol of him trying to undertaken his father and his childhood home. Why his childhood was the way it was. But he still felt weaker and vulnerable like how he was as a child. He has the urge of going back and discovering the truth, but his fear told him he can’t. But he broke past that, and understands it now. His father sitting on the roof shows how his father never meant for any of the harm, and apart of Nicky knows that his father never meant for the harm, but he just needed to understand why, by going through his fathers life, and reflecting it in himself in a way to get past his trauma, and understand his fathers trauma.

[dreamy sluice]

okay so imagine alpha 2

and then stop imagining

because it would've been alpha 2

[willow depot]

They know it'd be alpha 2 it's about its placement and the flow from it to the game smh

Something about a gas station too

[stoic juniper]

Dead

Chat

[limber ridge]

Nuh uh

[stoic juniper]

Yuh uh

[limber ridge]

Can we see some lore tonight?

[stoic juniper]

Idk

We gotta wait for Dark L to cook up another paragraph

[limber ridge]

Dark L is probably sleeping rn

Maybe if one of us spots out some detail or asks a question we can see some lore

[stoic juniper]

Sure

[stoic juniper]

Got some screenshots ?

I'm asking you

[limber ridge]

Probably not, I'll go see though

[stoic juniper]

I could maybe stream hello neighbor diaries

And we can see what we think

[limber ridge]

Seems like no, nothing especially interesting

[stoic juniper]

Yeah ig

What should we do then

[limber ridge]

Just let the chat naturally be resurrected I guess

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

Wait I just got one

[stoic juniper]

Show

I need lore 🥹

[limber ridge]

This is from like Hello Guest/Rumble on the mill days.

Notice the eyes from the nest? I wonder what they could have been.

[stoic juniper]

Yeah I do

Maybe a Raven face

[limber ridge]

Maybe it's the player? Although neither Beatrix nor Quentin's eyes glow so much.

[stoic juniper]

It doesn't make sense if it was the player

Maybe something else

[limber ridge]

Maybe it's like a reference to the thing/Shadow man?

[stoic juniper]

Yeah

I think so too

No ones eye glows like that

Except shadow guy

[limber ridge]

Given how this is like close to the era where they were trying out stuff with the concept of dream world and layering imagination onto reality, maybe it's some sort of other crazy monster made up by someone idk.

[stoic juniper]

Maybe more of Nicky's fear

[limber ridge]

Of course, it could also just be cool stuff to show in a concept art, which I think is most likely.

[stoic juniper]

That could be a possibility

[stoic juniper]

Yeah that's likely

Let's find some Random screenshots

[limber ridge]

Or... Snuest!

[stoic juniper]

Sure

[limber ridge]

Snuest
#lore-discussion message

[stoic juniper]

Snuest is snuest

[limber ridge]

It's his antennas

[stoic juniper]

It makes him powerful

[limber ridge]

/j

[stoic juniper]

Hmm

Let me see if I find some lore

On the Internet

[stoic juniper]

This is kinda funny

Look at Nicky vro

[limber ridge]

Lol

[stoic juniper]

Any lore you found ?

[limber ridge]

Nah

Wait wait wait

Maybe...

[stoic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/lore-please-lore-please-gif-1198171954065378551

[limber ridge]

I remember a while ago Nikita put some game "concepts" so to speak on old-RBO-discussion.

[stoic juniper]

It's at RBO archive

Let's go look

[limber ridge]

They weren't really plans from my knowledge, just like small ideas to ask people if they'd consider those "hello neighbor"

[willow depot]

They were quite hello neighbor

[limber ridge]

As in I doubt they ever got into any development, just quick ideas, like if I were to say on the spot "What if there'd be a game where we play as beaked entity and have to make lives of everyone in town miserable

[limber ridge]

What I was gonna say is let's try to see how those could fit into the lore for fun