lore-discussion

[limber ridge]

Yeah I have a feeling they will find themselves in the GAAP, maybe taken by their guardians/parents there.

[stoic juniper]

I feel like Peterson is going to try to find Aaron

[wanton roost]

Straight to boarding school for trinity lol

[stoic juniper]

Since at the end of season 1 Aaron was freed

[limber ridge]

I doubt she'll go back home tbf

Maybe even something happens to her parents

[stoic juniper]

That's possible

[wanton roost]

For some reason it doesn't look like he tries to but there's a teaser of him looking at his family photo and maybe he noticed aaron maybe he will try finding him

[stoic juniper]

Since in season 3 that happened

[wanton roost]

I am pretty sure they are gonna go in theos house

[stoic juniper]

Ofc they do

[dusty trench]

Not really good terms with him really, but that she was going to go to boarding school and would let Mr. Peterson finish it off as they split up, and Trinity would let go. But she experienced what Nicky did, same with all the others.

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure why cult doesn't just kidnap the kids in their sleep. I mean, they probably know where they live, at least Abanante who is pretty much a leader figure knows where Trinity is.

[dusty trench]

It would be obv

And they can get caught easier

[limber ridge]

I guess.

[wanton roost]

So like good and bad just okay terms with theo

[dusty trench]

And also consider that the want to ruin Mr. Peterson’s life.

[limber ridge]

One of them was able to sneak in and out of Trinity's house quite easily.
Like maybe, say, Delroy's aunt is more protective or smth

[dusty trench]

Bro too much good, still not good terms. But just, she knows.

[wanton roost]

It's weird as well nicky says guest and he wants to go even tho he hasn't seen met the guest

[stoic juniper]

It already is ruined

[dusty trench]

How would you know he hasn’t seen Guest. He has drawings of him so he knows of him.

[stoic juniper]

But I think they truly to get Aaron

From peterson

[limber ridge]

Lol what in the world can they ruin anymore

[wanton roost]

really.where?

[limber ridge]

They can kill him I guess(not)

[dusty trench]

S&R

[limber ridge]

Yeah they're never killing him, the guest could, but not the cult

[stoic juniper]

My guess is that the Cult will try to capture Aaron for them to set up a trap for Theodore

[limber ridge]

Unfortunately Aaron isn't in the show

[dusty trench]

It would be hard.

[wanton roost]

Wasn't all that just suspects drawn by the kids

[limber ridge]

He does play a big part though

[dusty trench]

Not fully his appearance.

[stoic juniper]

He was in at the end of the season

[wanton roost]

like by the group

[limber ridge]

In the end of season 1, yes

[stoic juniper]

But season 2 he was nowhere

[limber ridge]

I kinda wish Aaron would join the squad in season 2 instead of Delroy

[stoic juniper]

I think

[stoic juniper]

Delroy sucks

[dusty trench]

No that was by Nicky. Even in Nicky’s diaries (the HN1 version) he finds pieces of drawing of Guest. Also consider that HND was going to have more on The Guest.

[limber ridge]

Don't get me wrong, I like Delroy a lot, I just feel that Aaron had a lot more build up and would work better

[wanton roost]

Not aaron but its telling us he's somewhere around town

[stoic juniper]

I know what you mean Aaron would be better

[wanton roost]

Hn1 nicky diaries is still canon correct?

[limber ridge]

Handprint goes opposite ways, unwatchable

[limber ridge]

Everything is canon

Everything that is part of The franchise and not scrapped, that is.

[dusty trench]

Yes, all of that is planned to be going in HND. All of it, but better, in the HND style (which is still kinda HN1).

[limber ridge]

All full HN products are canon basically

[wanton roost]

Oh okay

[limber ridge]

Without multiverse and all that stuff

[stoic juniper]

HND had probably the best art style ngl

[dusty trench]

imo HE

[wanton roost]

HE and hn2 and maybe hn3 (ofc not now cuz prototype)

[stoic juniper]

What is hello enginner 😭

[wanton roost]

HE neighbor is the best design

[limber ridge]

A game about building cars and stuff.

[stoic juniper]

Ohhhhh

[limber ridge]

The kids from secret neighbor(except Delroy and Finch) are in the amusement park with the neighbour

[stoic juniper]

Yeah the physics kinda sucks when I tried the game at my cousin's

[dusty trench]

Idk if you know, but HN1 was going to have driving, sandbox, building, NPC’s, crafting, etc.

[dusty trench]

It can be bad, but the game is meant to be challenging in physics but fun. I find it really fun.

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure about that.

[stoic juniper]

NPCs in hello neighbor 1 sounds weird cuz I'm still used there being only us and Peterson

[dusty trench]

Yes actually kickstarter confirms that, and driving was tested.

[limber ridge]

driving, yes but other npcs?

[dusty trench]

Removed NPC’s already

[limber ridge]

I know there were more NPCs in HN2

[dusty trench]

Wait no. Yes NPC’s were since you were supposed to explore the whole town. And they talked about how you could explore the story of basement as the center, but discover and explore other stuff too.

Brought back NPC’s.

[limber ridge]

That one guy that wanted to build a time machine but failed is the goat (other than Snuest, Harold and Rita)

Okay my list of goats is a little overcrowded

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah

[stoic juniper]

Are there mods for hello neighbor 1 for Android

Does anybody know

[dusty trench]

I seen a kokosko video of him using a mod tool on HN1 mobile for HND.

[stoic juniper]

Like actual mods with different buildings

[dusty trench]

But I know most mods like that don’t work, but you can try.

[stoic juniper]

Like which ones

[dusty trench]

Idk 💀

[stoic juniper]

The 13 floors thing doesn't work

[wanton roost]

I xont think there are any mods in mobile

[stoic juniper]

Should we ask them for a mod kit

3 ppl asking

😭

[limber ridge]

Am I crazy or did Nikita actually mention some mining town was planned for HN2 in the MegaM interview?

[stoic juniper]

But it would probably be hard for them to actually work on most devices

[dusty trench]

S3 ideas for why can fit and theorizing #lore-discussion message read down till this message “And this ties directly in.” And read the message that replies too.

[limber ridge]

I vaguely remember something like that but I can't find it.

[dusty trench]

Yes and we have concept art

[limber ridge]

Ooh

[dusty trench]

It’s in the HN2.com/Diaries website

[limber ridge]

I'll go check it out

[stoic juniper]

Hn2 diaries ?

Is it a new game

[dusty trench]

Helloneighbor2.com/diary

[limber ridge]

A website with like fanart and stuff

[stoic juniper]

Gotcha

[dusty trench]

No fan art

Only official

[limber ridge]

Oh no fanart

I meant concept art

Sorry

[dusty trench]

It’s chill

[limber ridge]

I think I took a few screenshots from there Lemmy check

[stoic juniper]

I would appreciate a new hello neighbor diaries game

[dusty trench]

It’s still up

[stoic juniper]

I know it is

But the next few chapters got cancelled

[dusty trench]

https://www.helloneighbor2.com/diary

[dusty trench]

I was taking about the HN2 secret site

[stoic juniper]

Oh nvm

[dusty trench]

That’s should’ve replied to this.

[stoic juniper]

But we need more chapters

[limber ridge]

Guest turns?

[dusty trench]

Yea, it’s interesting

Maybe some meaning

[wanton roost]

lemmy..

sounds familiar

[limber ridge]

I doubt

[limber ridge]

I remember some guy made a theory the cult wanted to turn the guest to some immortal all mighty being

I mean it was mentioned in passing mostly, the video was mainly a Smith = MJ theory

[stoic juniper]

The way its going with the cult

They will definitely try

[limber ridge]

Could

I doubt it'd work

[stoic juniper]

But they will fail

Cuz the cartoon should have a little bit more realism

[limber ridge]

Yeah we're on the same page

[stoic juniper]

That's good

[dusty trench]

Which can tie into the raven and human symbolism, and if related to Guest creation experiment.

[limber ridge]

Nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural

[stoic juniper]

They are crows

[limber ridge]

Could

[stoic juniper]

It's called crowface

[limber ridge]

Legendary crow Vs raven debate is upon us

[dusty trench]

Cultist

[limber ridge]

Its raw destructive power is higher than even of the most dangerous Raven Brooks storms

[stoic juniper]

Yes

[limber ridge]

(the debate obviously)

[stoic juniper]

But their nicknames are crowfaces

[limber ridge]

Bruh, it doesn't even look like a crow

Crows don't have yellow beaks

[stoic juniper]

From the animated series

[dusty trench]

I know

[limber ridge]

Not even like a raven

[stoic juniper]

Just ask tiny build

Jk

[limber ridge]

A blackbird

[dusty trench]

Alpine Chough

[stoic juniper]

The cultist are the ppl from hn2

[limber ridge]

Yes

They are all cultists

[dusty trench]

They are represented earlier.

[limber ridge]

Everyone and their mother is a cultist

Except Otto I think

[dusty trench]

He’s a cultist

[stoic juniper]

Except for some but they work still work together

[limber ridge]

But Otto works with them

[stoic juniper]

Mr murtaugh

[limber ridge]

He's not in HN2

[stoic juniper]

Isn't a cultist

[limber ridge]

But yeah he's good

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah 💀

I refuse to believe 6k ppl are online

[limber ridge]

Anyway

[stoic juniper]

Do we know how Diana Peterson looks like

[dusty trench]

Yes

Books and games show.

And AS

[stoic juniper]

Ok could you send me a picture

[dusty trench]

I gotchu

[limber ridge]

List of known cult members:
Mayor Tavish
Gordon Cleave
Dale Tapps
Harold Goat
Valeria Abanante
Leslie Kornwell
Current Mayor(possibly Tavish)
Gerda Baker
Keith Nielsen
Lily Librarian
Old Principal/Janitor
Who did I miss?

[stoic juniper]

Ok thanks

[dusty trench]

Yup no

[stoic juniper]

Could you add their roles

[limber ridge]

She looks completely different in the books almost

[stoic juniper]

Cuz half the ppl I don't even know

[stoic juniper]

Wow why do we have so many redesigns

[stoic juniper]

Ok

I think in the pilot if hello neighbor animated series

There is also a pic

[dusty trench]

There is

[stoic juniper]

But idk know where I forgot 💀

[dusty trench]

Got it

[limber ridge]

So Mayor Tavish is a mayor
Gordon Cleave is... He works at the Raven Brooks Banner/channel 4. I'm not sure if he's an editor or smth else
Dale Tapps used to be a policeman, now a detective.
Harold owns a garlic store
Valeria Abanante is the Principal from the cartoon
Leslie is police officer
Current Mayor is mayor
Gerda the Baker is Baker
Keith is policeman
Lily Librarian is Librarian
Old Principal used to be Principal, now janitor

[stoic juniper]

She has so many redesigns it's crazy

[limber ridge]

Gordon Cleave, Dale Tapps and Harold, as well as possibly mayor Tavish are all from the books, so that's probably why you don't know them

[stoic juniper]

Ok

[dusty trench]

The old principal is not cultist

[limber ridge]

Huh?

He's not?

[dusty trench]

Wait were you taking about each cultist

[limber ridge]

Yes

[dusty trench]

Yea he isnt there’s no way

[limber ridge]

How so?

[stoic juniper]

Do you have proof or is it a guess

[limber ridge]

He looks pretty cultly

Yeah I messed him up

So I guess 4 people from HN2 aren't Cult members

[dusty trench]

No he was friendly in the end to Quentin. He had pictures of his time with the kids on the school and kept missing posters everywhere and missed the kid. He is sad and angered and depressed about the incidents that happened in town, and he wants everything to be like he it was. Peaceful. He was joking a picture of him with a photo of all the last kids, and he was sad. But in the end that one white dog was helpful because Quentin helped and the guy was friendly on after ending scene and the dogs too.

[stoic juniper]

Aaron Peterson Quentin and maybe the janitor

[limber ridge]

Guest, Ted, Otto and Janitor

But yeah Aaron and Quentin too

[dusty trench]

Otto is a cultist

[stoic juniper]

Peterson as well

[limber ridge]

He works with them, that's for sure

[dusty trench]

He said Ted that’s Peterson

[limber ridge]

Not in the cartoon

[stoic juniper]

Oh yeah

[dusty trench]

In the show he works with them

[stoic juniper]

Mb

[dusty trench]

It’s chill

[limber ridge]

Yeah, but he doesn't seem like a full on cultist

Doesn't even have the cloak

[dusty trench]

He’s old

He would’ve at a younger age

[limber ridge]

He's like their slave or smth

They treat him like that.

[stoic juniper]

At a younger age the cult probably wouldn't even exist

[dusty trench]

Yea that, but he fell victim to the greed at this point.

[limber ridge]

Nah it did

The cult probably founded the town

[dusty trench]

Tavishes

Are cultist

[limber ridge]

Yup

[stoic juniper]

Nah why would they destroy the town they founded?

[limber ridge]

Bored or smth

They want another town

Nah but fr

[dusty trench]

Make people suffer by luring them. There kids are twisted by greed and money. Also their experiments and curiosity’s. They feel taking advantage of life and death will get them more fortune.

[limber ridge]

I don't really know, might be a guest thing more than anything

[stoic juniper]

Damn

[limber ridge]

As in the guest wants them to destroy town

[stoic juniper]

I hope they die

[limber ridge]

It's also possible that the town was destroyed on accident

[dusty trench]

Cultist don’t want town fully gone (atleast in that period).

[limber ridge]

As in, their rituals that make worse weather but better luck(better luck for the cult) evolved so much they caused a town destroying storm

[dusty trench]

Yea

[dusty trench]

Making them fall victim to the destructive symbol too, that they corrupted.

[dusty trench]

And Guest wanted that

[limber ridge]

And the reason that might not happen in books loop is maybe since a few devices were buried, they didn't get to do as many rituals

Or like one device was buried actually

But still

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Yes

I wonder if the guest sorta lead Peterson to destroying the town on purpose, in GN2

[dusty trench]

And also the recourses later on too. Peterson wound have more and is using it to destroy the town. As he knows more about it.

[dusty trench]

Likely

[limber ridge]

Would mean guest works with both Peterson and cult as long as it helps achieve his goals

I kinda like that

[dusty trench]

Like with Aaron, but less direct

[limber ridge]

Mhm

Guest just works with anyone if it helps his cause

Quentin, Kids, Ted, cult

[dusty trench]

Hmm

[limber ridge]

Although, at one point, it gets sorta weird

I mean, what can guest possibly need that working with kids is gonna help more than cult or just himself

[dusty trench]

More power in a way

Over everyone else

So he can over power everyone else in some way

So that no one stops him from achieving his goal.

[limber ridge]

Kids help him overpower everyone else?

[dusty trench]

Manipulation tactics

[limber ridge]

I mean Quentin sure

[willow depot]

BBBBLACKBIRD LIKE LIKE

HAUGH

[dusty trench]

LOL

[limber ridge]

Quentin is a journalist, he can use him to like find Ted or Aaron or smth

[dusty trench]

FnAF IS CaNon

[limber ridge]

No way

[willow depot]

Blackbird is like genuinely the brainrot for me

[limber ridge]

I thought someone would get the reference

[willow depot]

My bud was reading another fnaf book on call and he says "blackboard" guess what my stupid ahh registered that as

[limber ridge]

Hey, at least the black bird isn't in the flesh.

[limber ridge]

Everything is canon

[dusty trench]

As you said, he wants to lead Peterson to destroying the town. Why not lead kids in a way to go against him more and have him lose his sanity more and crashout.

In the end he would have more power.

[limber ridge]

Why can't he just send his lovely cult members

[willow depot]

Yeah, heh, that'd be the a real Prank...ster!! Given that this good news is What We Found I can confidently say it's Sergio's Lucky Day!!!

[dusty trench]

He isn’t a cultist and isn’t like their leader really.

It’s manipulation behind the scenes. And he would I despise them mostly. Not see them as worthy enough, and more just followers. Delusional.

[limber ridge]

With that, we can say we are One Step closer to insanity

[willow depot]

Still so funny in retrospect

[dusty trench]

Imagine if

[willow depot]

Just some guy doing its thing and a bunch of lunatics just start worshipping it

[dusty trench]

Peak story

[willow depot]

Honestly I'm probably nevah gonna forgive tinyBuild for making everyone in town a cultist

[stoic juniper]

Peak

[limber ridge]

Tbf

Yeah I got nothing

It's mostly the people in power but even then...

[willow depot]

Gerda and the sociopathic old guy™

[limber ridge]

The one guy that wasn't a cultist and would have helped dies as soon as we find that out.

[dusty trench]

Otto is slave. And for Gerda it’s a play on how people with greed dont really appreciate stuff. As she formed the younger cultist group of the that time.

[willow depot]

Imagine how peak Mayor could be with an arc delving into him being a normal mayor (um, Tavish's replacement in this hypothetical scenario I suppose??) and having to constantly deal with the pressure

[limber ridge]

And the garlic store owner

[willow depot]

Nikita actually shared something about Leslie and uhhhh what was the other guy's name

Keith?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

That is just a background guy selling his soul to be rich lol

[limber ridge]

Nah Harold doesn't sell no soul

[willow depot]

Who's Harold

[limber ridge]

Harold is better than that

Garlic store owner

Cult member

[willow depot]

Is he from books or

[limber ridge]

Yup

Harold is actually waiting for the right moment to take down the cult and restore peace and balance to Raven Brooks.

[willow depot]

Playing the long game like a chad

[limber ridge]

Yes

[willow depot]

Harold is the reason the cult won't be in HN3

[stoic juniper]

Why

[dusty trench]

Because he’s Harold

[stoic juniper]

I don't know what you guys are talking about anymore

[limber ridge]

He took them down of course

[dusty trench]

He’s the goat

[stoic juniper]

Based asf Harold

[dusty trench]

Main character of Hello Neighbor obviously

[stoic juniper]

W

[limber ridge]

Harold Vs Snuest, who wins?

[dusty trench]

Harold

[willow depot]

Anyway Leslie has coffee stains on his uniform and is like bored to hell being a young quiet town cop, wants to be in a big city and all

Keith's uniform is clean and tidy and he just loves his job and he's close to retiring and they're a good duo because they balance each other out

[dusty trench]

Literally peaking

[stoic juniper]

Harold mostly because I have no idea who snuest even is

[dusty trench]

Ya know what

[stoic juniper]

Wut

[limber ridge]

This is Snuest btw

[willow depot]

This was during HN2 alphas time when Nikita was working on it still

And you can tell they weren't cultists

[dusty trench]

Harold is MITH

[willow depot]

Garlic store is the perfect front

[stoic juniper]

What is mith😭

[willow depot]

Nobody would suspect him

Man In The Hat

[dusty trench]

Man in the hat

[limber ridge]

Harold Smith

[stoic juniper]

Fire 🔥

[willow depot]

Oh it's cinema

[limber ridge]

Brother of Andrew Smith

[dusty trench]

Omg

Wait

Full circle

Guys

We figured it out

[willow depot]

Full circle!!!

[willow depot]

They dropped an utility pole on his brother and now he's here for revange

[limber ridge]

Yes

[dusty trench]

Theo and Franklin is the rip off version

[limber ridge]

He could just take them down immediately

[dusty trench]

Harold and Andrew is where it’s really at

[stoic juniper]

Harold is Harold

He da best

[limber ridge]

But he wants to betray them to make it more painful

[stoic juniper]

Yes

[dusty trench]

No Harold and Andrew is peak

[limber ridge]

Yes

[willow depot]

Speaking of MITH is there any chance he could be a "rogue" artifact user

As in he someone got his hands on one and that's why he has expensive lenses never gets caught whatever

[limber ridge]

That'd be kinda cool

Wish there was some evidence

[stoic juniper]

What the best hn game

[dusty trench]

HE or HN2

[limber ridge]

Hmm. HN3 prototype lwk but not sure that counts

[dusty trench]

HN3 will be the best

[stoic juniper]

Nostalgia bias is telling me Hn 1😭

[willow depot]

Uhh

Search and Rescue ngl

[dusty trench]

Understandable

[limber ridge]

I haven't played search and rescue

[dusty trench]

I mean yea

That’s actually really good

[stoic juniper]

Me neither

[willow depot]

It's VR but I think it's like the best thing overall

[stoic juniper]

I'm waiting for a pc

[limber ridge]

Well yeah

[stoic juniper]

To play every thing

[dusty trench]

It ties to a lot too

[willow depot]

Yup

[limber ridge]

Don't vr games just kinda get an unfair advantage

[dusty trench]

Not really, it depends on what game it is and if it’s really good.

[willow depot]

Sorta but they have the disadvantage of majority not having an access to it

[limber ridge]

True

[dusty trench]

They should’ve made a non vr versions of S&R

[willow depot]

All in all secret of the mimic was also gonna be a vr game originally and it turned out okayish, solid sorta

I say sorta a lot

[dusty trench]

I say ties a lot

[willow depot]

Anyway I especially love S&R credits

[limber ridge]

Happy

[dusty trench]

Yea those are my favorite credits

[willow depot]

They're incredibly consistent with other material

[dusty trench]

Actually HE is my fav credits

[limber ridge]

I really like the every choice is the right one aspect of HN3

[willow depot]

The fact they portray Nicky dipping a short bit later and from the basement hatch too 🥹

[limber ridge]

It gives us the ability to give the story a happy/bad ending depending on what we prefer

Me personally I kinda want a happy ending

All these characters have beet through a loooot.

[dusty trench]

Neutral. A balance between reality, and hopes with dream.

[willow depot]

I want an ending where I bring Nicky to Mayak and make him throw hands with Ted

[limber ridge]

I usually prefer like bittersweet endings

But here it's just really different for some reason

[willow depot]

That'd be everyone taking the bus honestly

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[willow depot]

There's no saving this cursed place

[limber ridge]

That's what I want

[dusty trench]

It needs to go, but it depends on how tho.

[limber ridge]

Everyone getting along as we throw a party at the Stranger's place

[dusty trench]

Stranger is actually cultist and traps everyone in basement.

[limber ridge]

Nooo

[willow depot]

I forgot that's what we called them

[dusty trench]

Heh, the neighbors

[willow depot]

Me when I give everyone apple coins and make them DIE because I'm BORED

[dusty trench]

Lowkey real

[limber ridge]

Dark I use this to curse you

[dusty trench]

NOOOOOOO

I AM MAYAK

[willow depot]

ngl HN3 is a cheat code because technically it doesn't even need to be written, outcome is up to the player

Not necessarily a bad thing either, that's a sweet reward for the community for sticking around

[limber ridge]

I love that

Everyone gets a satisfying ending

[dusty trench]

Yea

[willow depot]

I am hat man dark give me youre mayaks I will pay guard salary good

Money yes

[dusty trench]

Alr, but don’t let me cult catch you doing anything to MAYAK. Better not be tryna manipulate it, or find the core to its power.

[willow depot]

Huh? (I say as I poke a screwdriver into the giant eyeball pupil)

[limber ridge]

You're not gonna do anything with the screwdriver bruh, use a crowbar instead

[dusty trench]

That’s it, storm activated.

Ritual commence

[limber ridge]

(Random chants or smth idk)

[dusty trench]

Clicks the button opening the inside of gemstone, guides the weather to the hat man and his guards

[limber ridge]

Pov: this is how RB is in the state it is in HN3

[willow depot]

Uh-oh!! Time to skip town!!

Jshrmfofiwhzhxjqkq

[dusty trench]

Time to risk the town to get hat man because we need the money back because we are greedy cult

[willow depot]

Is that lucifer

[dusty trench]

Lightning strike and car crashes

[dusty trench]

Guest emerges

[limber ridge]

He emerges from the pipehouse

[dusty trench]

Light casting down on hat man

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah there's some guy there

I thought it was just a hydrant or smth lol

[dusty trench]

lol

[dusty trench]

I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be player. As Nikita adds random characters into his arts like these ones. The Mayak art.

[limber ridge]

Probably the player

[willow depot]

Time for my final form

[limber ridge]

Bruh

[dusty trench]

Hat man cast down to the caves

[willow depot]

Quite literally if you think about it

[dusty trench]

Hmm

Never thought of that

[limber ridge]

This is your final form actually

[willow depot]

I think I made a MITH version of that before but it's lost media

[willow depot]

Bald Ted

[dusty trench]

Oh lol it does look like kickstarter Theo

[limber ridge]

Ik

The message I got it from was making this exact comparison

[dusty trench]

Oh dang

[stoic juniper]

[dusty trench]

Literally

[dusty trench]

No wait

Final form is

Pre Alpha man

Andrew

[limber ridge]

That's his brother though

His real final form looks like this:
Harold

[dusty trench]

Exactly. His brother took over the body.

[limber ridge]

No way

[dusty trench]

The part of the brother who has been banish by the so called Tinybuild, came to fight

Ravens vs. Hat mans

[limber ridge]

Why is this even a question?

It's obvious.

Ravens lose neg diff

[dusty trench]

Yes

You know why

Because Harold is just so tuff and he is THE main character

[limber ridge]

One guy has a garlic store and one escaped from the devil, of course they win

They can probably beat Ted and Guest too

Sorry, typo, I meant definitely

[dusty trench]

And that’s what we see in the pipe house

[limber ridge]

Oh

And Quentin is just watching

[dusty trench]

Guest loses obviously

[limber ridge]

Ofc

[dusty trench]

Now where would Theo be

[limber ridge]

Let alone Ted

[dusty trench]

In the attic

[limber ridge]

I wonder what even is the thing with the pipehouse

Like I know gameplay is like ROTM

[dusty trench]

Maybe HN2 alpha 1 and 1.5 house was that, just unfinished.

[limber ridge]

As in there's some sort of furnace and the guest I think tries to keep it on while the player tries to keep it off( I believe)

[dusty trench]

As we have furnace gameplay there too.

And even the tred mill in Alpha 1.5

[limber ridge]

I mean it'd probably be some yellow press thing

[dusty trench]

Well yea for sure

[limber ridge]

But as seen in for example the Hw incident, Quentin exaggerated and twisted the events of the HW incident rather than completely making stuff up

[dusty trench]

And maybe even part of HG in a way. One idea fit HG idea, one fit yellow press.

[limber ridge]

So I feel pipe house might be based on an actual event as well

[dusty trench]

Fogged and exaggerated in his mind by curiosity of the event

[limber ridge]

Not sure if it's fear

[dusty trench]

Oh dang you sent that already

I was editing since I thought of that instantly after I sent

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah curiosity is it

[dusty trench]

I mean heh, he is a journalist after all

[limber ridge]

He got so invested in the events he kinda went in his own mind and made up events to an extent

[dusty trench]

Letting imagination take him over. Kinda like Mya and Theo.

[limber ridge]

But still events that would metaphorically refer to actual events

[limber ridge]

Yup

[dusty trench]

Wait I just realized

That could be partially used for now, but in different context. Theo and Franklin, Mya and Aaron, Quentin and Beatrix’s

[limber ridge]

Ooh

Thing is

[dusty trench]

So in a way, it was used in different context

Idea of them being similar rearranged

[limber ridge]

In 2 of the events the survivor is the one living in a dream world, in one of them, it's the one that died

[dusty trench]

Hmm

[limber ridge]

Theo and Quentin, but then you got Mya and not Aaron

[dusty trench]

I mean it’s mainly the idea of them being like somewhat parallel in ways, but yea.

[limber ridge]

Yeah the idea works

Wonder if it's like, the dream world being a sort of coping mechanism

Even Mya could be coping with Diane's death

[dusty trench]

Hence what said about Mya and Theo before.

[limber ridge]

Ted with every death

[dusty trench]

Said that too.

[limber ridge]

And Quentin with Beatrix's death

[dusty trench]

Yes he is disassociating with reality.

[dusty trench]

Ooh

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Wait I don’t think she’s dead tho

[willow depot]

He takes the coat off jedi style and rolls his sleeves revealing the white polo shirt and broken golden watch

[limber ridge]

Nicky uses dream world to confront his trauma

[limber ridge]

Me neither

[stoic juniper]

Me neither

[limber ridge]

But I think that Quentin thinks so

[stoic juniper]

I feel like she is alive but barely

[dusty trench]

Well he has her van on his notebook

[willow depot]

What if dream world is shared between everybody lol

[willow depot]

The Fear™ is sealed in Theodore's house because he's scared and you have to go and unlock it if you want to beat at the very least your own

[limber ridge]

Didn't Nikita like say somewhere that the characters would all travel to this world

[dusty trench]

Maybe like he knows, but he is coping with the fact that his life has to go through all this. Being split form his sister, worried if she is going to die.

[limber ridge]

Or am I misremembering

[dusty trench]

S&R

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[willow depot]

"If she was here she'd tie her hair into a bun and ride a sick van" what a supportive brother picturing his dead(?) sister as a baddie

[dusty trench]

Also forest map on HN2 can be that too. As it’s all foggy and misty around like a dream or nightmare. Depicting real life in some way, but in this weird dreamy way. As in S&R kids miss go through events of the past.

[dusty trench]

Omg lmao

[limber ridge]

And then it just so happens she survived and he completely predicted that.

[willow depot]

He sure knows his sister

[willow depot]

All in all Quentin is quite a fun guy he has that deep voice talking about some "I will keep that in mind for my investigation...." acting cool

But then he'll hit you with the literal hamster stare.

[dusty trench]

Has to be split because his mind has to be fixed because his head is damaged (literally) and all the stuff going on too with Mayak and fear and the loops. And Beatrix is the angelic protective figure to Quentin in his eyes, as he realizes she is always beside him even is apart.

[willow depot]

Peak

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message

[willow depot]

This guy bruh

[limber ridge]

Is there any concept art of mining town Nikita mentioned or nah?

[dusty trench]

Yea it has Guest t posing and like a huge building with lie lights and stuff.

You’ve maybe seen it hold on lemme find it.

[limber ridge]

Is it anything like this?

I mean probably not this exact concept art, but is it also white like this?

[dusty trench]

Yea except it was dark

[limber ridge]

Is it on HN2 diaries?

[dusty trench]

Just checked and it isn’t I thought it was

[limber ridge]

Mhm

I'll try to find it, might have been in the MegaM interview

[dusty trench]

Found it

[tribal talon]

Does anyone reckon Quentin will ever return in anything hello neighbour games related or books ?

[wanton roost]

I remember this

I heard from lime 2024 it was like some sort of underground town lol

[dusty trench]

Underground mining town facility for Raven Brooks. Connected to the tunnels and such (which we see now).

[wanton roost]

Yeah that can't believe I remember

[dusty trench]

Maybe books and references in games maybe like HN3 hints to clear up AS stuff and books stuff in games.

[limber ridge]

Gonna use this as a pfp

Not now though

[dusty trench]

Nice

[limber ridge]

This

[limber ridge]

It was planned for HN2, mentioned in the MegaM interview

[wanton roost]

I heard about it before the interview tbh

[limber ridge]

Oh

Maybe on throwback but I doubt.

[dusty trench]

Likely to be referenced in HN3, in some way. Like mining facility’s on town before they became dangerous tunnels, also connected to the sewage system to in town. And maybe hired in HN2 first too, likely planned there.

[limber ridge]

Or sorry, it wasn't necessarily planned, mb

[wanton roost]

Hm do you think catacombs could also be in hn3

[limber ridge]

It was a period where the ppl that worked on HN2 would try out different ideas and crazy atmospheres the game could have.

[wanton roost]

It would be cool to see some statues as well

[dusty trench]

Well it was an idea but it would fit in games like HE and also consider the forest zone in HN2, and history of town and caves. HN3 could add onto this in some way.

[wanton roost]

Statues of the forest protectors

[limber ridge]

I think just the tunnels and anything underground is catacombs basically. Except a few select areas, like the basement

[dusty trench]

Well, Mayak connects to whole town. The history, the tech, the story, and literally, it connects.

[limber ridge]

And GAAP

[limber ridge]

There's something else from that period, not necessarily plans, just them trying out stuff

This looks really cool

It's like a whole place about rails.

[wanton roost]

Hope so it would be cool to have some like forest protectors but with dirty ruined clothes

[dusty trench]

It’s like ROTM. Just mashing ideas together to create new ones. See what works and not.

[limber ridge]

Yup

Although, if this did get past just a trying out phase, it would be fun to even see gameplay of this or think of an idea for it.

[dusty trench]

Idea can be used for HN2 aswell, in a way even the mining city in a way. Connecting to the tunnels and catacombs.

[limber ridge]

I feel like the catacombs are a part of the tunnels that is specifically for cult activities

[dusty trench]

Yea me too

Since Mr. Peterson explores the tunnels.

And that can be tied to the mining facility in HN2, train tracks in game, and even the cart.

[limber ridge]

Since catacombs are like mainly for religious activities

[dusty trench]

Also in HE we get that represented too, with tram tracks railroads and mining facility’s.

Even a mill contraption is in HE as a boss.

The train boss. Mr. Peterson is actually experimenting with atom on a windmill contraption and it’s connected to Observatory which we see is connected directly to Mayak, through the space attraction, and he is using railroad power or something to activate it. As in previous cutscene in act 1, we even see him experimenting with a rollercoaster and how fast it goes with Mayak tech.

[limber ridge]

Actually since the guest will probably be a byproduct of the cult's doing, do they even worship him? Do they even worship anything atp?

[limber ridge]

As has been discussed before on this server, it's like they are expanding on scrapped/old content.

Or they like plant seeds for future plans

[dusty trench]

Yea, which windmill contraption can be tied into now on how the tech works.

Maybe it has panting to do with speed and he is using railroads and windmills for that.

It can even tie into the teleportation, going across space and time to transport somewhere.

And the magnetic connection like metal which I talked about. And the magnetic fields (raven and crows can tie to that too).

This can tie to the balance to time, weather, and life.

[limber ridge]

And luck

[dusty trench]

Which is to life and death

[limber ridge]

Oh I see

[stoic juniper]

Chat how is life going

[dusty trench]

Lore discussioning

[stoic juniper]

🔥

[stoic juniper]

MB not this

How is Mr Petersons life going

[limber ridge]

Depends

[stoic juniper]

Lmao

[limber ridge]

But usually terrible

[dusty trench]

Money and the greed aspects in different ways, can tie into this as a symbols. As money is like a luck tool, and people have different ways of using it, for their own goals.

[limber ridge]

I wanna count everything Ted has lost:
His parents.
His brother.
His friend.
His wife.
His daughter.
His son, presumably.
His sister abandoned.
His house.

I'm probably missing smth

[dusty trench]

Himself

[limber ridge]

Yes

The way I understand the scheme it goes:
Weather leads into luck which leads into time. Is it like that or?

Like it goes from smallest to grandest

[wanton roost]

You forgot he lost car

[limber ridge]

Sheesh man

Everything

[wanton roost]

He forgot his gloves

[limber ridge]

Nah his gloves merged with his hands

His hand hairs are actually his gloves

[wanton roost]

true..

[limber ridge]

His basement kids 😔

[dusty trench]

The cycle of life and our evolution is used to the cycle of weather and the seasonal evolution in the world is within time. And people try to manipulate the cycle of our world and universal functions by playing the role of god for their own goals. Feeling the need over control and tools to gain more power. Twisted demonic mindsets, and blinded unhinged mindsets.

[limber ridge]

I'm just thinking right now:
Imagine how cool it'd be to play in the act 3 house with a vr headset? That'd be like, the most fun thing ever.

[stoic juniper]

Yes

Would be awesome

But it wouldn't be official

It would probably be someone who coded it to VR

[limber ridge]

Idk, I'd wanna play that no matter what

[stoic juniper]

I've seen someone code Hn1 pre alpha

[stoic juniper]

Me too vro

[limber ridge]

Yh I think that can be played on vr

Brb

[stoic juniper]

But I forgot where 😭

[stoic juniper]

Ok

[limber ridge]

I could try and find it maybe.

[stoic juniper]

It was somewhere in hn1 feedback

Where he announced it

[ripe berry]

Janitor ISN'T a Raven Society Member.

[limber ridge]

Yeah I know now.

[ripe berry]

so HNHS, HN1, HN2, and possibly HND are possibly a third loop altogether?

(HNHS, HN1, and HN2 come as a packaged deal, and HND was at one point part of HN1 so in changing the loop HN1's in it could let HND exist in the same loop again)

(oh by the way the box art for HNHS, if treated as canon or even just a hint to something, is occurring around the time of HNHS Stage 1 based off the calendar)

[willow depot]

What book was Harold in

[limber ridge]

Puzzle master iirc

[willow depot]

Gosh dang it

I never actually read any of them but the lack of info on puzzle master on the wiki and other stuff keep encouraging me to read puzzle master specifically

Now Harold too

[limber ridge]

The wiki has like... Barely any info on books, other than maybe Reset day, haven't checked in a while

I'm curious how many cops do we know the names of?

I mean obviously there's Leslie and Keith

Dale too, I think

Eve and Daryl from Reset day.

And uhh... Newsom I guess?

Not sure about him.

Oh Newsom is named Keith so not him

We know at least 3 of those to be cult members.

That leaves Eve and Daryl.

[willow depot]

Unnamed cop 1 through 6 who gang up on Theodore

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah

Wait 6? Weren't there 7?

5 got took down, 3 took down

Maybe I'm misremembering

[limber ridge]

Puzzle master is my fav ngl

[willow depot]

An extra cop shows up in the frame of putting the cuffs on

Iirc

I like to think that's their whole PD spare for maybe police chief and/or detective

They don't even have guns

(no one in this town has)

[eager island]

the wiki has barely any info on franchise

[limber ridge]

All they ever needed to defeat the cult was a good blaser

Hi

[willow depot]

Smith shows up with the peacemaker revolver he took from the museum before it shut down all like "I love rich old stuff" and shoots mayor

[limber ridge]

End of what

The franchise?

[willow depot]

What

[limber ridge]

Like, of Hello neighbor 3?

[willow depot]

We have that at the end of pretty much all hello neighbor games

[limber ridge]

Is the giant neighbor the HN1 boss fight or is it the Thing?

[ripe berry]

I have the playlist for you mate (thanks to Frigid for telling me where to find audiobooks for most of the books)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__0Fa0bljI&list=PLyRPv6lgbeF2iw2j8sDB4wiO-plPuFTFP&index=1

[willow depot]

Peak

Thanks

[ripe berry]

it has every book except the guidebook

[willow depot]

GN1? Graphic Novel 1??

[limber ridge]

Makes it better

[limber ridge]

Whaaat could you possibly be talking about?

[willow depot]

Kills you

[willow depot]

Technically The Thing but like

Giant Neighbor is still like the boss before it

It's probably gonna happen lol

I don't think it's gonna be a bad thing if HN3 will be a good game

Happy birthday to him

[willow depot]

Would be a shame to have the franchise like

End right after its one ideal game

[limber ridge]

Happy birthday to your grandpa

[limber ridge]

The overarching story was actually always about making a ideal game
/J

[limber ridge]

And if it wouldn't be a sequel to HN3

[willow depot]

Yeah

Why would you say that

[willow depot]

Yeah

I just hope Nikita will be a part of it all still

He has vision

[limber ridge]

Yeah

if he developed HN2 I'm certain it would be good

Definitely better than HN1, or at least I'd enjoy it more.

Are the beaks of the cult made out of wood or like... Idk cardboard?

[willow depot]

Cardboard I'd imagine

Painted prob

Wood would be heavy they'd get scoliosis and die

If wood then like reallyyyyy thin

Imagine some hardworking fella chipping wood real thin just for it to be made into beaks

That sounds goofy so I imagine it as cardboard

Hello again.

[limber ridge]

Hi again

Well mentioned

[limber ridge]

...
Forgot to mention but Harold was only mentioned in passing I think.

[willow depot]

in passing??

as in passed away??

[limber ridge]

Nah, goat Harold can't pass away

He hasn't passed away, just was mentioned.

[willow depot]

oh

[dusty trench]

And HN2 can also connect to the HE loop period too. HN2 can be in two. Same with H&S. Also consider that HE has reference too the rest of media with picture of Maritza Mya and Lucy, and ties to books a ton. And SN does too as part in Lucy Yi event. And even AS has hints too, such as Maritza being next to photo of Lucy, and even Maritza and Enzo’s mom being there, and parallels with characters like Seth and Reuben. Shows more of Mayak and the loops affecting the story and characters minds by putting hints in time. And adds more of it being Trinity (in the point of view) and the other kids, looking back at a loop period distorted by fear, and possibly false reality. Like imagination to cope inside this reality distorted by fear. As we have seen in the franchise a ton of imagination as a somewhat coping mechanism in different ways, but it can lead to disaster. And rescue squad has done this too in HE, and even in other games too. Just shows more of dreams and imagination, being used as a metaphorical symbol to represent the characters. As in AS there’s many details and hints to like books and games, all of it just slowly slip in the background, dark reality looming over characters. Such as Lucy Yi’s photo being next to Maritza, and what the kids go through getting worse as show goes on. Even everything around them getting worse too. And they have to come to terms with reality and redeem themselves. Which I’ve talked about before. They’re minds are looking back in distorted way, but it’s at a loop periods because that’s what they were trapped in. That’s why I think AS is gonna pull something that reveals stuff in a different way, maybe AS is partially a different loop period than HE, and the same. And what this technically shows is that, while everyone is in a same loop period’s, technically everyone is in different loop or in their own reality’s in general, because everyone has a different perspective. And GN2 can tie to HN2 loops, and HE loops as well.

[stoic juniper]

Hello chat

[limber ridge]

Yh hello chat

I'm curious what's up with this stuff. Seemingly connected to the purple lightning which also seems to help cause time loops.
Mmmaybe related to the Well?

[stoic juniper]

Idk maybe

[dusty trench]

And there is something I thought about with GN2. The Guest, and his somewhat interactions with Pris and Regina. Guest appears a little in book, and everyone Pris and Regina have a somewhat interaction or thinking of him like looking at past event, it leads further to when Mr. Peterson goes insane. Adds more onto Guest wanting Mr. Peterson to go insane, for his own benefit. That’s why he haunts him, that why we see that raven in GN2 before the go to town flys to the window to make a noise as Pris goes upstairs to get something before leaving, and a raven is just watching Pris, scaring her so that she can leave faster. That’s why Guest appears in the road, and when they crash the car just stands there. That why when Raven Man is mentioned and such, it leads closer and closer to the ending. And the scene with Regina going into the metaphorical dream landscape and sees so much taken stuff, including Mya’s Diane doll and other iconic stuff, leading to the picture of her and flan, Guest appears. It’s playing with her mind. And in this moment Theo is driving the GA truck, Guest can be using some Mayak tech and machinery to in a way, manipulate her mind in a way. Like he is manipulating the environment to lead events to happen the way they are, leading Mr. Peterson to then come and go insane. Maybe even a Mayak shock thing to manipulate her mind a bit, as he interrupts and guides Regina to when she wakes up, to Theo. Getting ready to fully end it. But Theo gets convinced a bit and he goes down to the deeper area which is modified tunnels and leads further to the well. And Guest interrupts, not only in the mid portrayal, but maybe literally shows up. It’s just portrayed in that way to show a hint at Theo. And he goes insane out of fear all of it falls back on him, and he just loses it and just wants everything around him gone. And when Pris goes down there, that was Guest literally forcing Pris to go back up and witness Mr. Peterson’s rage, and they can deal with it.

[dusty trench]

Because that was Guest part of that. And Pris and Regina or portray all that other stuff like the doll and Mr. Peterson motive a bit, that shows that they know about the stuff to with the family and the tragedy, and even the park stuff too since that represented in the dream landscape too. Hey seen stuff and pieces it together, we see it in a metaphorical way that’s distorted by fear. As in the end, Guest is watching them. We even see a boot and the gates fence like bent, someone is watching them. And maybe the later events of the loop getting broken, the storms calming down, and characters like Nicky getting over trauma, and other stuff is what saves Pris and Regina. The puzzle masters tried to get Pris and Regina away from Guest and make sure Mr. Peterson depart go out of control, and the part of Regina convincing Mr. Peterson was puzzle masters and the good influence. But Guest forced the rest to happen directly. That could’ve been MITH’s role in the book, he would’ve been guiding them. So in a way, he still has a role. Just not as direct. He is more in the background and more tame, while Guest is way more direct and short tempered. Guest manipulates the environment and peoples minds, while the puzzle masters are more lighter and won’t try and manipulate your mind, forcing you to do something. Both different goals, and different actions to getting to the goal. Guest just wants destruction and doesn’t care about the evolution and cycle of the world, puzzle masters want the balance restored and the earth to flow healthy.

[dusty trench]

Yes the pits are importantly and do have connection to Mayak, and the tunnels and wells too. This is another like games view of that, hinting to the well. And the HN2 tape of the ritual was at well or related. And related to Guest in some way.

[dusty trench]

Also, #lore-discussion message

And there is even a heating furnace thingy or like things that have smoke in HE too, related to the Mayak tech. It’s almost like Mr. Peterson’s is using the GAAP parts tech and even contraptions for his experiments on Mayak power.

Speed, heating energy, and like a windmill spinning. Also satellites are seen too and space signals.

Connected to Mayak which has Those too.

[limber ridge]

It's as if GAAP stuff conducts Mayak energy.

[dusty trench]

Because of the metal and magnetic connection.

[limber ridge]

Yup

[dusty trench]

Which Mayak attracts too.

[limber ridge]

Or even just by design

[dusty trench]

Hence, Lucy’s death

[limber ridge]

Lucy's and no one else's

That's interesting

[dusty trench]

Likely not like Mayak tech directly atleast not until HE, but it’s that Mayak is well super closer to park and even no the different devices exist too connected Mayak through the magnetic connection. It’s a lot of metal, so yea. Which the teleportation attracts metal and used magnetic connection.

[dusty trench]

Maybe even more. The next GAAP incident. And the last rides by Peterson too. Maybe Mr. Peterson was using older park metal and tuff for experiments on Mayak tech, to see the magnetic connection. But accidents happened. Not only the safety features, but he was experimenting. He was too caught up by his dream reality, which blinded him and left to tragedy again.

Can add onto the island.

[limber ridge]

I don't mean that they like use mayak tech to some extent, but Ted in the books, iirc is described as being able to defy laws of physics with his rides. I mean I doubt he is actually able to properly defy them, but still very unique design which might in a way attract mayak tech

[dusty trench]

Yea I know, thats what I was aiming for too.

And also

Even we know the Mayak evolution expanding even further, the island. And even not even just the island, but other stuff of the Mayak tech with loops affecting the world, and why no one worries about raven brooks much. Mr. Peterson would’ve also been experimenting with park parts to have the magnetic connection to Mayak tech. To see what possible and not, or even expand past and discover something new. It was an experiment ground, but accident happened as he got blinded by all that stuff. And he kept running away even further.

[limber ridge]

Oh, also about the pits, in the start of Reset day, one earth pro worker falls into a hole that just opens in the ground. Reset day is also like the time loop debut.

[dusty trench]

Like the first time loop happens?

[limber ridge]

Yeah earth pro still got work to do at the GAAP in 2021. Kinda depressing when you think of it. Famous company and yet they can't even make that supermarket or whatever it was over the span of decades.

[limber ridge]

Oh no

I mean like, for us

It's the first time we, the audience properly learn of time loops.

[dusty trench]

Oh like a more direct way of telling you, time loop. Even tho we know that had loops planned as story since development of SN books and H&S, all HG, but yea that is a more direct way of telling us the loops exist. Also can have Reset day tie to HN2 and HE loop period, before leading into HN3.

[limber ridge]

Probably not since HaS

[dusty trench]

Well yea actually because they planned the story of HG at that time.

And even the island too for HE (to lead into the next big game).

Also when books were developed.

And when Missing Pieces released.

[limber ridge]

#throwback-discussion message
This kinda throws me off with when the time loops were planned

[dusty trench]

Time traveling

I mean while technically there is time traveling, look at the messages he was replying too.

[limber ridge]

I mean yeah but he still says his approach to storytelling is grounded. Time travel isn't really much more grounded than Time Loops.

[limber ridge]

There's time travel?!

[dusty trench]

Yes while that is the approach, that doesn’t mean it’s not part of it and planned in a way to tie in.

[limber ridge]

Bro what

Dark_L shut up, this random guy that literally used slurs here told you to, there's no way to defy this 😔

[dusty trench]

Oh he used slurs

[limber ridge]

/j of course

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

I know

[dusty trench]

Ooh

[limber ridge]

Is that like report worthy or

.

[dusty trench]

Oooh

[limber ridge]

Okay uhh let's just

[dusty trench]

<@&1162799252192379000> is this worthy

[limber ridge]

Get past this and continue lore-discussioning

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

So where were we

[dusty trench]

No not like directly but like thy do remember stuff by having Mayak tech prevent them from get to my affected by the brainwashing material in loop process.

And the loop resets too.

Ya know.

[stoic juniper]

Hell nah

Frick sab

[dusty trench]

And yea while loops and such aren’t really grounded, he still planned the Mayak stuff and others added onto Nikita’s ideas and he went with it.

They all lead into Nikita’s vision, HN3.

And even while loops again, aren’t grounded especially, it’s a build up. A different way to tell multiple character stories. Loops is a part, character perspective, and we have the metaphorical view. Which all can tie to each other, creating a cool story. It’s different ways of the hello neighbor story being put as elements and ideas, it’s all different stories and continuity’s in the canon.

[limber ridge]

Ahh, wait this makes sense

[dusty trench]

Like how in HG the rocket used to destroy the Mayak wall in prototype, is ok the floor crashed down in HG alpha beginning. Showing that element.

[limber ridge]

So like, his personal approach, which is the parts of his story from loops and perspectives are the ones that keep feet on the ground

[limber ridge]

It was a rocket? Not like a bomb?

[dusty trench]

Yea it was a rocket

A rocket ship ride

Wait

What if the inventors club when escaping the area they are in and they transport to park, they use rocket ship ride to escape, or get to Mayak. Which is S3 finale. Can add more onto why the area is portrayed with park parts. Island is part of it we know maybe thy were partially trapped there. The they get slowly to park and then last the park to Mayak, S3 finale.

[dusty trench]

Guest wanted to use bombs and cause more unnecessary destruction for his goal, but in good ending security guard’s and puzzle masters took the safer route and knocked down wall with ride, without blowing up everything and maybe killing people, or risking their lives more, and like causing a rumble.

[limber ridge]

Guest here is the actual guest or the neighbour who was the guest in HG?

[dusty trench]

Talking original HG plot

[limber ridge]

Ahh.

Makes sense

[dusty trench]

Which ideas from have been used tin the current narrative.

[dusty trench]

Maybe even 👆

[dusty trench]

Or maybe they envisioned themselves on island in a way since it’s like an adventure. And also add to imagination as coping. That can be the way they are partially trapped there. And add more onto the park stuff being in sandbox too, and the rocket ship imagery we see a lot.

[limber ridge]

I think like back in the day people thought sandbox was like a pocket dimension and they used messed up laws of physics to build a rocket and get away

[dusty trench]

Yea people thought that

Maybe in a way it is that.

Hence the island thing

And the park stuff being there. And the rocket ship imagery

[limber ridge]

And like maybe. I mean if only a small area is taken in a loop you'd think it works a little different than a normal time loop

[dusty trench]

That’s why island comes in play

Also shows the Mayak evolution expanding.

As he transports them somewhere.

He found out a way to have them be in their own loop kinda.

Like a way to affect their minds more, in an area. Or areas in a way.

[limber ridge]

Wait hold on...

[stoic juniper]

I'm sorry but it kinda reminds me of an other island

[limber ridge]

If Rita like predicted the earthquakes from Reset day, that would mean at one point they got like close to Reset day times no?

[limber ridge]

💀

[dusty trench]

What 😭

[stoic juniper]

😭

[stoic juniper]

Lmao

[limber ridge]

Unless I guess she just has like incredibly advanced technology that was able to predict the seismic activity

[stoic juniper]

Ok vros go back to discussing lore

I'm just gonna watch

[limber ridge]

Yeah, let's get back to owloling

[stoic juniper]

:owlol:

[stoic juniper]

Sad it doesn't work here

[dusty trench]

Yea they did, which they’ve gone past GN2 and that event of story line. And from the advanced Mayak tech. Hence what I have been saying about the reset process as they get closer to what’s happening in the future events. They are unlocking pints in time. And getting the last to lead to the future so balance can be restored. And the hints of foreshadowing the Mayak tech and knowledge puts in the story’s.

[limber ridge]

So like how many loops have passed

3 at least

I think

[dusty trench]

Likely more

I don’t think it’s just the periods of loops

[limber ridge]

Yeah but do we have an at least or at most

[dusty trench]

The 3 loop periods (if there’s 3 I’m mainly talking periods in general), are like the main periods of time moving forwards into the next era or big moments. But how many times it reset is unknown.

[limber ridge]

I have the sudden urge of trying to fit everything in one timeline.

Alphas, betas, everything

[dusty trench]

Well, that’s what the puzzle masters are trying to do. Like they are trying ti restore balance and have a non corrupted timeline. Hence why characters start to remember stuff as loop breaks, Nicky and Rescue Squad as an example, and Quentin too not just from his head injuries.

[dusty trench]

They aren’t like that but, the ideas in alphas are like metaphor’s of the ideas in the narrative. But but in the way where it’s like, ya know. Kinda like how Fnaf uses characters and such, but in a better way.

And they use older ideas, like Scott using older games he made.

[limber ridge]

What is secret neighbor in the timeline as of now? I mean at this point it's not a planning phase for SaR we know that bit. Is it like the rescue squad's own version of Act 3 or is it like a general presentation of the kids' perspective that has some lore, like the traitor thing and some lore from badges and maps.

[dusty trench]

Many events. So part of it is in a way. But it’s also more. It’s for us to look into the characters and worlds in different periods stretched. Not just kids.

[limber ridge]

So it'd kinda fall into the general presentation of RS and other character's perspective.

[dusty trench]

What is RS again (if I heard that before)?

[limber ridge]

Rescue Squad.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

And also you can play older versions

Different periods of game

So some of game is in different loop periods.

Just rn, what loops in the loop period are we seeing. Not even just rn since all old SN assets are in game like map make mode, and even holiday stuff appears after a while too. And you can use old models in game play in map maker too. We can view loop periods. It’s like the save data knowledge of Mayak in a way. And other characters minds.

[limber ridge]

Bye, was nice talking to you.

[dusty trench]

Oh alr peace ✌️

[ripe berry]

Yeah I kind of view it as a mix of everything, a mix of an entire section of the timeline being combined into one
everything from potentially even HNHS/Missing Pieces if SN Roblox is to be allowed as evidence up to and after Hello Engineer and the storm

[dusty trench]

SN Roblox can be evidence. And yea this seems it, said it above too just in dif way.

(Continuation) I mean we have character ages and the general age period of characters, but like specifics don’t matter too much rn. But we can get around their age with a year or years, dates and such. And we ca estimate the around age period, or there exact age.

[ripe berry]

so basically now we have
AS
Games minus HN3 and maybe SN
Books and maybe SN
HN3?

[dusty trench]

Part of HE can also be apart of AS loop and games loop, same with HN2 which ties to HE and GN2 so GN2 can be apart of the previous loop too, or atleast part of it. Like some of the Mayak machinery exploding and catching on fire.

[dusty trench]

As this 👆. And maybe it’s more than 3 periods.

[ripe berry]

to reference this old chat, this painting is said in the Guidebook to be a giant Golden Apple painting.

[dusty trench]

It’s developing into the golden apple in a way. Or it was. But now it’s hung up like a bait. Waiting for someone to catch it. But thats not let it develop into the golden apple fully. Almost like how cultist don’t care about the world developing, as long as they get what they want. And it’s a giant painting.

[ripe berry]

I'm making my own Hello Neighbor Timeline Document rn (the colors are for what's fact, implied, and pure speculation)
I decided a part of it would be to try to incorporate a few quotes and references into it... but I think I put too much in already.

(I'll change the text in quotes to not have any color background later, first quote is the default text from the Halloween Incident Missing Posters)

[dusty trench]

Ooh I can’t wait to see it when it’s finished. Maybe Roger and Adele had found something that twisted the ravens society members minds, made them the way they are. Something thy got them more curious into playing path the environment, under their control. Something that made them want control and fortune over anything. And they slowly lose themselves and their souls to their curiosity’s, turning into an obsession. Twisting the towns culture and using it as a tactic to lure people, draw the into the trap. Which is the town, and the tragedy within. Later on Roger and Adele found out that ravens society was stealing Mayak tech for their luck devices, using it for the manipulation of life and death. Then everything went downhill onwards.

[ripe berry]

probably going to cut part of the RBBArchives Quoe and move the HN2 Alpha 1.5 Missing Poster Text to that part since it acts like only two kids are missing (which makes sense considering the original context)

[ripe berry]

(the document will also refer to the HN2 Mayor as Tweed due to the AS Pilot, since he's the only one of them we do not currently have an official name for)

[dusty trench]

Yea that makes sense

That might be his actual name.

[ripe berry]

also, just as a random thing, Quentin's Investigation Journal/Cluebook has hidden in it's textures (the texture is used but this detail is not visible in gameplay) the Hello Neighbor 2 Diary Website Guest Newspaper

[dusty trench]

I thought it was visible in cutscenes (dlc included), but that is very very interesting actually and I haven’t thought much of it really. A newspaper picture of The Guest. I really wonder. Maybe this can show of HN2 diary site showing not only just old ideas and stuff, but can give hints on game too. Like a message from the devs. As the diary’s website is like an investigation board so, yea. So it can be like the guidebook where they have reference to old stuff as a showcase to ideas that ca hint at lore in a way. And other promotional stuff too. So this can be Quentin’s investigation board, mixed with a message from the devs. Kinda like the message from librarian in the guidebook, but it talks about stuff outside of universe like it’s meta. But it’s a message from the writers.

And look at the website code name thing in site says guest_turnsV20001-0130 . Like in a way it’s Quentin observing town and investigating the town members, places, items and symbols, Mr. Peterson, The Guest, cult, ya know. It’s his investigation board. But it’s portrayed from the devs as looking through the games development, but there’s a hidden lore message behind it too. Maybe the candy’s were by the golden apple company, and maybe Guest was on a newspaper before but only one got printed. Or Quentin printed it, but only one got printed and the rest of newspaper was taken and ripped up, but the main thing on there is photo of Guest so he keeps thy as proof of his existence. The newspaper photo of Quentin is likely same one as Guest newspaper if Quentin printed it which is most likely. Or Missing Journalist printed it and Quentin found a piece of it as evidence of Guest existence, and Quentin newspaper photo is different. And the newspaper of Guest was well, taken and ripped up but Missing Journalist left the most important bit of the newspaper which is Guest picture, since that’s what they could find of newspaper because rest was likely burned. Likely Guest took it, but it could’ve also been cult who wants to hide Guest existence from town because it could expose town history and their plans. And Quentin hides Guest photo likely because he is afraid of Guest and cult going after him. Since cult is followers, and Guest would be angry. And they found out Quentin has that photo that’s why they go all out of Quentin, or maybe Guest finds out and that’s part of why he is pissed. Also because puzzle masters got Quentin out of Guest guide so Guest is in rage to kill Quentin. And cult is followers and don’t want to be caught. They overshadow Quentin’s investigation by having the picture into hating Quentin and causing him to suffer more since he has the evidence. But both cult and Guest are trying to guide him for different goals.
https://www.helloneighbor2.com/diary

[limber ridge]

Is GN2 weather station even mayak? I know it sounds kinda dumb but... where is the eyeball?

[dusty trench]

It might be apart of it. Like a building that leads into Mayak, because it’s connected. Like real like meteorological weather station buildings some have other buildings nexts to them in the landscape and directly are connected to the main weather station building and laboratory. And we can’t forget that while it is a weather station, this is also a meteorological laboratory too for studying science and well weather. But meteorology is not just weather, but the study of the earths atmosphere, physical processes, and its chemical composition. And meteorology is also connected to time, like the study’s of the weather and seasonal cycle connected to earths atmosphere in time. Other buildings like I mentioned before, can be a building that can lead to substation control room, and or a power distribution shed, other monitoring sites, data sites, supplies and safety sheds. And even, other mini weather station testing sites and buildings connected to the main one in the area. They can even be small shelter and data sites. But can be a different smaller building in the same site and base area, usually testing sites or more data storage like even supply’s and such.

Also something I just thought of. Even some homes and huge building structures (and well, weather stations) are made for extreme weather if you didn’t know. Like so it can hold against dangerous weather and in case of storms. That can play part in story too.

[limber ridge]

Yeah makes sense

[limber ridge]

Like how in alpha 1.5 story Ted survived a hurricane by staying there.

[dusty trench]

Yea

Maybe he survived Franklin storm incident by staying there too. Or like getting in a certain area or part of building. Since he doesn’t want to be close to the well.

[limber ridge]

Maybe. I mean I feel like the other kids probably did too

[dusty trench]

Nah they ran away because of the S2 poster.

[limber ridge]

I doubt they were actually all able to run from the mayak that fast

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah, there's that.

Since Ted is an adult while looking at them it could be like a representation of how whenever he loops time he kinda gets more experience and such over the cult.

[willow depot]

Many scrapped HN plots could actually fit in neately somewhat

[dusty trench]

Maybe it took some time. I mean, they have been studying Mayak. Maybe they went away from site, but that only just risk their lives a little more but they got lucky since maybe Mayak power ran out kinda or calmed down a bit. Or people shut it off, like the police came quick. Likely cult turned off power quick before police could come and have Mayak power be exposed.

[willow depot]

spare for maybe generational trauma

[limber ridge]

Like ofc Ted wasn't actually a giant looking at them from behind the mayak but yk

[limber ridge]

The whole yellow press stuff would change like barely anything and in fact would make sense with the story a lot.

[willow depot]

because we kinda have like

one mainstream father and the deal with him is anything but generational trauma

his own parents are dead he didn't even have time to be possibly abused

we already have guestworld in S&R

[dusty trench]

Yea I talked about poster before and the Franklin representation in there in a way.

[willow depot]

shove it into the final loop

and you have character development across loops

peak fiction

[limber ridge]

Shove what im the final loop? Guest world?

SaR?

[willow depot]

the plots

[limber ridge]

Oh

[dusty trench]

Well, it’s more of ideas an elements being used and tweaked to fit the narrative and idea they have rn. But I know wym.

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[willow depot]

imagine faust plot to a cultist

[limber ridge]

As Nikita said

[willow depot]

all that beating sin and wanting richies and power stuff and letting go of it to be NORMAL

[dusty trench]

I used Faust ideas to relate to cult before.

[willow depot]

neat

honestly on the topic of Faust

[dusty trench]

Lemme find it I actually liked it

[willow depot]

it's somewhat ironic how the theatre prelude predicted Alex and Nikita

if you catch my drift

[limber ridge]

By theatre prelude I think you mean the other storyline that was put to a vote against coma plot right?

[willow depot]

no I mean the faust theatre prelude

[limber ridge]

Ohh

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message didn’t directly say Faust but that’s what I was thinking while making. And you can kinda tell what I’m relating too when reading this.

[limber ridge]

I see what you mean

[willow depot]

I thought the theatre thing was an "act" of its own in the faust plot though

to be fair it wasn't really a coma either

did I send the dreadful image here

[limber ridge]

Ik but it's referred to as coma by most so I used that

I don't think it's a coma

[willow depot]

fair

[dusty trench]

Yea it’s not really that fully

[limber ridge]

I think the character is like dead no?

[willow depot]

...

wheeze

okay give me a moment

[limber ridge]

And sent to a false reality created by the devil

Is he dead or nah

[dusty trench]

The hints to the puzzle were like angels giving the pathways for player to escape.

[dusty trench]

No

[limber ridge]

Like I know his soul goes to a false reality or smth like that

[willow depot]

drum roll

[dusty trench]

The basement door was the exit. Basically playing with players mind for their soul. It was like dark ritual.

[willow depot]

he's kinda "alive" technically?

[limber ridge]

It's weird

[willow depot]

I mean assuming the fake reality means like

you know like one akin to earth

because it's the devil he summoned stuff just to try tempt Jesus too so

[dusty trench]

It was tweaked a bit later to fit a better narrative (father and son). But it wasn’t really that specifically. This was just more of the placeholder test idea in a way, for future narratives.

[willow depot]

he's not really in hell since the announcement trailer/alpha 1 ending imply there's lower to go than the reality

I'd say customizable purgatory but it's not really a purgatory because devil takes any soul good or bad

[limber ridge]

He's near death

So not in a coma, not dead either

[dusty trench]

He’s like playing with players mind. It’s like a ritual and he is luring player. But the basement is the exit left by god and the angels, and the pieces to the puzzle are left for player to solve. He uses a human or disguise as a way to hide himself and using like a human as a way of destructive symbol in a way. Like someone who betrayed god, and fell victim to the demons and symbols associated with them. Thats why he has a bunch of stuff around to go against god. He’s trying to get player to follow along and betray god and fall victim to the demon’s and all the demonic symbols. Thats why he uses a human disguise.

[limber ridge]

Like William Afton in the fazbear frights stingers or however they were called

Or was he in a coma?

[willow depot]

literally wears judas skin too

[dusty trench]

Partially coma but it’s not really the main thing. Player is about to die, and demon causes bad things to happen to player so he can fall victim to the demons. Like making him go in coma, where he would be more vulnerable and his mind can be played with.

[limber ridge]

But no matter what the devil does, what happens to the player is what God wants to happen to the player.

[willow depot]

also it's kinda meant to bait player into thinking he DID move in

except uh we know that didn't last very long look at that house

what I find interesting is that in the alpha 1 qna nikita said that in the completed version of alpha 1 the teacher mannequin would be in the mannequins room

while the grave would be a "portal" to the hospital room

[limber ridge]

Wait I wonder... Does the player figure out he is in fake reality or does he get tricked and just genuinely thinks "Ooh I should break into my neighbor's basement"

[willow depot]

probably figure

eventually

[dusty trench]

It’s more like he is being set to freedom. As God would want earth to continue to stay healthy and balanced. Which God would represent the world and our nature evolution, our weather and seasonal cycle, letting earth flow on its own and life cycle and develop on time. But people will make their own choices. They can try and manipulate life and nature for their own goal. Or try to do what they think is best for the world and help. And people take different actions and choices to different roads. And if people are manipulating with the world a putting at risk, taking others freedom away and playing with their minds. Things should be restored, and not everything will be perfect while on the road of that journey. Some people will face cause, but might be angels in people’s eyes. And some will face consequences and while maybe staying alive, will be dead to many people and seen as destructive and maybe demonic. Everyone has different legacy’s in some way, even is not many or nobody at all knows about it. That’s just how the world is.

[willow depot]

like look look so player installs the bell on the grave (implying whoever buried is alive) jumps INTO the grave and ends up "hospitalized"

take that with the fact that 2015 player is a constant victim of being buried alive

[limber ridge]

Is there anything from father-son storyline that can be recontextualised for current HN? Like the countless Faust stuff, just with family storyline

[dusty trench]

Yea like fear taking over Mr. Peterson as well as his own demons, battles, and darkside of himself. Aaron trying to understand his father more, and willing to sacrifice himself and takes risk for what’s best. Even if that means splitting up from his father and the broken household.

We see a lot of that with Aaron in S&R too, and HN2.

[limber ridge]

Yeah SaR is like the main thing where we see that

And GN2, if we include novels.

[dusty trench]

Yes GN2 aswell.

[limber ridge]

Actually both Aaron's and Nicky's trilogy can get that message across too.

[limber ridge]

Not exactly sure how in HN2

[dusty trench]

Well actually I’ve talked about that before. It has to do with the ending and the final phase of game mostly, but game in general too. It also connects HN2 to GN2 and S&R (HE too).