lore-discussion

[wanton roost]

But who knows

That's just a theory

[limber ridge]

Aaronguest in 2026 is so peak.

\j

[wanton roost]

man just wait till this probably won't be a joke anymore

/j

Ahahahhaa

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Unless...

[dusty trench]

Wait like an animation of him running?

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Yeah.

Mike shared it

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Oh shi I was right

About him jumping

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Mhm

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Wait when was this posted?

2 years ago

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What? The GIF?

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Yea

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On tinyclub like 2 years ago or so i believe?

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Alr

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Yeah something like that.

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Makes end why I couldn’t find the running picture anywhere

Yea. Like maybe origin of Guest can mean how he built up his animalistic behavior, how he became The Guest we know so far. They can refer to the raven ma festival in a way, like showing statue and talking about rave brooks culture in a way as well. Because this person moves a lot more human like than Guest in games, so maybe we are going to see why he becomes more animalistic and filled with rage, why he is the way he is. And understand his motive more, since he seems less animalistic like here if that is him, than how we’ve seen.

[limber ridge]

Nah Raven Man festival will probably not be referenced.

It's part of prototypes which are part of an unfinished story.

But maybe like Something relating to the mascot.

Oh nvm i misread it.

[dusty trench]

Yea that’s what I meant like which can tie to the festival in a way. Not like specifically festival but like, the park. And explaining the take and maybe saying how it was positive but never how.

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Oh alr

[limber ridge]

Any idea on maybe like, signs or ways to tell If certain stuff is symbolical or metaphorical? Besides like, If something contradicts statements, like visible Thing.

[ripe berry]

yeah because explaining how would lock that part of HN3's Lore in place

[dusty trench]

I feel like stuff like the eye’s as an example, thing’s like maybe character’s actions like Guest. Because even tho he actually moves like that, it can show us something deeper. Not even just Guest but other characters as well it can apply, just Guest as a main example. And even the ravens in HN, like shower see them in H&S and HN1 and well, all media can show us something deeper. About the story. Even just events that happen, and characters motives show something about the story, mainly really important characters like Mr.Peterson, Aaron, etc. . But even minor characters having depth, they can become important, and have importance. Showing something deeper in the story. And stuff like the golden boar cup which is from alphas, but appears in AS. Just details and even little things that can have a deeper meaning and be important, you’ll of course have to elaborate on it further.

[dusty trench]

Yeah

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And that would even tie to S&R portraying a distorted kinda version of a past event, while depicting something bigger for the future. Aaron freeing Nicky after Nicky freed him. What that means is setting the events of act 3 and finale to occur, and Aaron is willing to take a risk by dealing with Guest. And Nicky would know about that because of HN1 because he figured it out, and get hint of it in his distorted nightmare depiction of act 2, which I believe he had since he’s been in mental facility which can even add onto because Aaron, puzzle master, and rescue squad all do this when he is in mental facility. Maybe Nicky has his been through this nightmare his whole time, and it gets interrupted by Aaron freeing him. Be ya eye would be having a nightmarish memory of being trapped, but he escapes that fear because of Aaron with help from puzzle masters, and rescue squad. It shows that he knows what happened because he figured it out, and maybe had a feeling of it before act 3 but he realizes then and the rest happens leading into his story in HND. And he even portrays puzzle masters a bit with the house, which can even portray more than just MITH. And even portrays his friends and the escape which I theorize phase 1 of act finale shows. Because they are all messing with Peterson as he falls, your using multiple things that are almost like multiple kids using items and taking down Mr, Peterson, which it’s obviously more than that but ya know. And even the fact the basement has more than just a room for Nicky and Aaron, there’s multiple rooms. And even they hint at the underground amusement park is you pay attention to ten environment in basement, and even act finale phase 1. And even Peterson house being destroyed being depicted in a way in phase 2 of act finale. The part where we see Aaron freeing Nicky is a message telling us that Aaron allowed the events of act 3 to happen, which can also hint at there friendship.

[dusty trench]

Even the way he looks at Aaron and then sighs shows it too. And why he would be immediately understanding if Aaron and then Mr. Peterson afterwards years later. Using that so he can overcome his fear of when he was kidnapped, and the person who kidnapped him. Even all the stuff around it, which this game hints at cult too. And even the whole time loop thing, and Mayak. And in a way kinda like little bit, Franklin too with the statue in a way. Which obviously later on ca tie to Franklin. I’ve discussed that before.

They left the seeds for us in HN1 for what was meant to be elaborated on in first game, but expanded to n it later on was in a way that fits what we seen in the first game. They been doing this will all games, leaving the seeds in case future plans and ideas return and become key later.

[dusty trench]

Also maybe we will see Guest like sneaking around and rescue squad will think it’s a cultist, but he’s just sneaking around watching everything. And then we will see it happen. Question is tho, why would he have the eye symbol? Do the other cultist have it hidden too? And is he disguising himself as a cultist for some reason, taking them out slowly. Or making them think he’s their lord with the cloak, so he can get to something at Mayak maybe, killing them off. And not in a way where he is like using them like guiding them, but like when they see him if he’s running, or in a segment I’m going to going to explain right now. His cloak getting ruined revealing his true design to rescue squad. Maybe it ripped earlier while he was running in a forest mage away from the kids, and a tree gets stuck to the cloak. Maybe kids chasing him to find out who he is, and why he is running away and watching them, and why he looks so different. And maybe why he killed cultist, maybe he stealth killed a cult member and they saw it, leaving cult wondering who it was, maybe blaming it on Mr. Peterson which yes, he kills cultist too. but why Guest. Also, Guest maybe fell in a puddle of like maybe mud, why his cloths are all beat up and dirty on cloak and under cloak. And then he encounters cultist at Mayak after thy are going to perform a ritual, they wonder why he’s so beat up and he just starts killing them. Maybe the teaser with dead cultist is after the teaser with Trinity and Finch spying on a cultist walking in with a bag. That place can be Mayak. And maybe that bag belongs to Mr. Peterson, and it’s his old bag with the big heavy inventory that Leslie took from Peterson house, when Mr. Peterson was in a panic as police came he hid away somewhere. Since that bag was super big and has luck devices in their, it makes sense that it’s the same one and it even looks shorter, which can show hat maybe throughout S2 they have been using luck devices from that bag mostly.

Or maybe a little to save for ritual. Which, they are trying to perform a ritual and start a storm. Kids are spying and Guest enters, and begins killing them during ritual, and the laser beam is maybe starting to rise or is rising up since it’s purple all around the room like the Franklin incident. Maybe the plan was so he can get there earlier, and have them think he’s finally leading them for the first time. And maybe he manipulates them to give him devices, or just kills them all and starting his own performance with Mayak. But why would he be going to Mayak? Well maybe it’s to destroy Raven Brooks. As when Mr. Peterson was trying to destroy Raven Brooks, he was seen and even seen himself as destructive as Guest. Like how the Raven Man symbol is destructive to the town, maybe that’s a hint too. Maybe in S3 they can explain Guest in metaphors like the statue at the park, Mr. Peterson’s book having info on him and a depiction of him, and maybe even having the 3 headed Raven as a depiction too. And say that everything was peaceful at one point, until the town became destructive, driven by evil, and behind it are at the bands or greedy business people who are trying to lure people to the town and get drawn by their products and stuff in town, which they own basically everything. All to just kill you off for their own luck, and using everyone as tools. They can explain it like that, without the whole festival thing. And they can even reveal loops differently. Like maybe Mr. Peterson can have dialogue that hints at loop, and then later is revealed they are in a loop. Or the book explains it, the squad finding it. And when realizing they’re in loop by piecing blueprints, tech, and the book. Then they realize the time period and remember stuff from past, like Aaron trilogy. And they can even reveal the puzzle masters, like saying that there is a missing journalist who’s helping the through out so the loop can break. And they can even have a picture of the island.

[dusty trench]

And maybe even find out from Mr. Peterson investigation board while in park sneaking around at first finding parts for the car, but the he dragged into going to Mayak. They find out experiments happened on island. Maybe even finding old photos, and they can even reference the board pictures from the books, that would be really cool. Like showing the family portrait, or the picture of Diane and Mya. And even haveing all the portraits and newspapers with Aaron on them with red circle saying omen. Mayan even notes saying Mya is dead too, but never saying how. And even Maritza ca find the picture of Mya Lucy and her. And find the bracelet, maybe finding Lucy’s memorial like in SN. And they can have the police searching in park, and almost getting found by cops. Maybe cops can appear while kids are at amusement park, but they are actually cultist and they take the photo of Mr. Peterson we see in HE. And even they can show missing posters of other kids in HE, maybe they went missing during park incident maybe kidnapped by cultist if they tried to go somewhere to survive. Because we even see a fire, and looking at park scared. And maybe during the incident the kids aren’t together, but while in park and separate, Trinity is watching out, Delroy is looking for his dog, Ivan might still be with Enzo and Maritza, but Enzo and Maritza don’t talk much. And Finch is there probably looking for Trinity after what happened to Nicky. Maybe in school thy talk but Trinity is mad and doesn’t care about what she is saying. But at parks Trinity sees Mr. Peterson’s and follows him, and Finch notices and follows Trinity. Trinity runs into Delroy who found his way there and then they run into Mr. Peterson, aswell as gaged cultist. And then Enzo is looking for Maritza who ran away leaving Ivan by himself to try and find both of them. Enzo Runs into Trinity and Delroy, and they run away. But they end up getting split up and Delroy runs into Finch, and then Trinity and Enzo are together.

[dusty trench]

They run into a cultist. But Mr. Peterson starts killing cultist, and then Ivan finds Enzo and Trinity. And then Maritza runs into Delroy and Finch. Wondering why Finch is there, she explains herself but isn’t buying it yet neither is Delroy. Trinity Ivan and Enzo all run away but the park is completely burning down, proper are running out screaming. Before the disaster happened above ground, Mr. Peterson stares at the kids, or maybe just one idk. The police find Mr. Peterson but he runs away, police saying that he caused the accident. And kids went missing. The rescue squad all plan on building car to get over their trauma and past mistakes, but slowly get dragged into going to Mayak. Understanding how the tech works, and using the tech and other tools to get past Mr. Peterson. And they even meet Guest, who got into incident in forest and why he looks the way he does. While at park discover they are in a loop, and now we ca get back to the segment when they are at Mayak. Guest kills cultist in there, and now Guest can have the machine to destroy the town. Maybe the rescue squad will yell at Guest asking why he is trying to destroy the town. And he explains it either in a an evil way, or explains it in rage and anger. And maybe we get a glimpse at a more vulnerable side of Guest. Guest probably explains that he made a deal with Aaron so that he can make sure the kids were safe in S2. And maybe earlier cult will mention that they have Aaron. And adding up the fact of the investigation boards of Mr. Peterson having omen next to him, they piece it together. Even the facts they learn about Franklin. But Guest explains his motive and probably start throwing stuff and even use the stuff they have, even the tools to use technology against Guest maybe even make a trap. Guest is in rage now and is just trying to find them and kill them at this point. But Aaron helps them out, probably front tools down hatchets or vents.

[dusty trench]

And even earlier like when in park, Aaron was helping them to by dropping tools down hatchets for them to survive and learn the tech more, giving them the recourses they need. And it would only show the shadow of Aaron, and maybe even whispering. And thy know it’s Aaron because they realize from loop. And they knock Guest mask off, or realize it’s a creature. But Guest explain motive even further and on who he is out of rage. And then chase them out. While running deeper in the tunnels and enter town, they notice Quentin and Quentin say to get somewhere safe. But he explains what he is doing and that he is trying to find his sister Beatrix and that he is trying to find Aaron so he takes the oath of the forest to go find him. And maybe even later, they find Beatrix who reveals she is working with Missing Journalist to get them to safety, and even find Quentin. They tell Beatrix where Quentin said he was headed and she goes there, which is the church. And maybe even earlier, what if she is a night guard at GAAP so she can guide the kids and find Quentin and Mayak. And stop vandal’s from going and destroying stuff like going to Mayak or sum. But she couldn’t go because she was watching in background. Which maybe it wasn’t just Aaron helping them, it was Beatrix too. Guest probably revealed earlier that he tried to manipulate Quentin but he caught on and stopped following him, like how he tries to guide him in HN2. But the power in town goes out in town, and they find someone in a hat. Now what if Finch revealed earlier that’s he had been trying to find someone in a hat. And that’s why she was spit at night in S2 EP2. So they try finding him but he probably elves a note, or reveals that who he is. But he has to go to Quentin and says that other people are here to guide you or sum like that, hinting at the bigger puzzle master group. But, the Mayak event happens. They see Mayak from far storming really hard and they escape to se the Peterson house get destroyed.

[dusty trench]

Maybe MITH revels can be earlier, idk. And also to add onto everything, maybe when thy find out they are in loop, they realize they were on the island trapped. And maybe after Mr. Peterson’s joiners destroyed, it loops. Maybe this is when they realize they are in loop and that’s what Beatrix, Quentin, and MITH were warning them about. OR, they get teleported to island early on, like in middle of season like EP3, and then they escape by using the tech to teleport back, and all of the stuff happens like Guest killing cultist and Guest reveal segment at the end. Then it loops back in time, but they hovering maybe they got it gifted to them by someone, or found it on island. And after escaping and finding pictures of island before Guets segment, they realize that they got transported to an island. Or they seen pictures of island earlier which makes more sense, and while on island they see places from the pictures and realize they are on island. Which thy find out is in a loop, so on the island the day resets. And the after escaping all of that stuff happens and when Peterson house is destroyed, it loops back and they realize even the town is on a loop. Buy thy have rings so they o no u get reset a day. Which yes, all of the amusement park stuff happened in that day I believe. All of the HE events happened in a day. So it starts off a school day, and Finch and Delroy join them. Now maybe earlier Finch and Delroy didn’t fully join the investor club but was still with the rest. Bit thy decide to fully join this time, and they honor Mr. Murtaugh. Maybe Finch joint club the other kid might see it as weird but she doesn’t care anymore and is being her true self, since she was always interesting in tv town mysteries because she was investigation MITH. So they build car and get passed Mr. Peterson, and Guest events happen. But Mr. Peterson since he knows about loop and isn’t influenced by it, neither is Guest but he believes he is going to win because everything is the same rn.

[dusty trench]

Mr. Peterson comes to find his son because cult was there and they have is son. And realizing that they aren’t there and sees dead cultist, he rages. He chases the kids, but Guest comes out of no where and begins fighting Theo. And the kids run away, but what I really want to happen is they drive off in the car. Idk it would be really cool and heartwarming, also this is HE and it would be the only time they actually drive in a way that makes sense. And they most likely won’t even drive good. Or it ca be like a figment idk. And the weather station starts to set on fire in the distance. And the Peterson house gets destroyed and everyone comes outside to see the house burning down. Fire fighters come all around town to blow out fire, and even on some ends flooding happened. But the storm stops. Trinity falls a sleep. And when she wakes up, everything is okay and normal, Trinity remembers everything from the past, including her friends. The news about the storm on tv, but it ended with people evacuating and it’s said people who died, and Pepe who survived. And that people who ran into the weather station survived and the weather station burnt down, hinting at GN2. And it’s all happy next day, and Trinity’s parents have a talk with her and thy seem normal again. We see Enzo’s partner and that they miss their mom and it reveals how they wish thy wee here, including Mya and Lucy. And even hint at their dad being a puzzle master or basically reaver it by their dad saying something maybe like, I’m glad made it out alive. And Nicky’s parents probably move out of town here, which fits be she they have to make sure that everything goes as planned for act 3 to happen. And the kids realize that Nicky will be okay after this getting over his fears. And they can even hint at the archivist by going to Mr. Peterson’s investigation boards a picture of her and other town members like Tavishes and other librarians show up. And maybe they go into news station, and find out a ton of info

[dusty trench]

Like mean finding out archivist, reading archives. Or the camera can show it by scrolling through for us to read it maybe which fits. Maybe something that would be cool, is they scroll on a secret website that is the RBBArchives. Or they find the package book and it shows all pages of both to give us lore in a way that’s fits 5 episodes, and even show a picture of archivist, maybe picture saying it’s Quentin and Beatrix mom and a family portrait with Missing Journalist which would be really cool. It would show that lore, but not going in a deep explanation of everything. And maybe even the newspaper thy read can be of the terrible storm incident, even Roger and Adele, to travels and hint at that part of lore. While the other newspapers and documents are showing but not read, something for us to read who are interested in lore, and can piece stuff together that way. Same with the blueprints, the book, and even when we see kids using tech or manipulating stuff with tools. Showing to tell, but not too much talking on that stuff. Just enough dialogue to hint at that. And why would be cool is if Trinity wakes up she looks younger, but looking at the phone, it reveals the time period an year, showing her looking taller and maybe having little bit of a deeper voice. And when we see her parents they are older, and it basically just flashes forward into the future period showing reality when it shows portrayal of younger Trinity going to sleep. So maybe before going to sleep and waking up to symbolize that it was a distorted event other fears, trapping you like a nightmare, it will show before showing the flash forward the news referencing GN2 which makes more sense. And then before Trinity goes to sleep, is when Miguel reveals he was a puzzle master, and can reveal that they tweaked the timeline enough so that people can come to rave brooks and go to Mayak and interrupt the events. And even before she goes to sleep, lot everything is really positive since,

[dusty trench]

Almost everything is destroyed, and that can leave trauma. And maybe they ca answer what happened to Quentin and Beatrix even MITH, but maybe not idk. And when Trinity goes to sleep she is scared like she is about to have a nightmare, but then it flashes forward to an older Trinity, not like a full adult tho maybe like high school. Her parents are older, and we get answer to stuff like Enzo and Maritza missing their mom and stand ravage died she thy were younger, and even referenced Lucy and Mya’s relationship with her and the others. Enzo can talk about his old friendship with Aaron, and they can talk about how they know Nicky will be okay and get over his fears, revealing and hiring at act 3. And later on is when everything is positive more. And also it reveals the year, or not Eve just showing that it’s later is enough I guess. And they can even say something like they’re glad they aren’t trapped in the nightmare of the past anymore. And it can be like act 3 but with Trinity and even other kids too (but ya know). Like where the dream is part of it but it wasn’t like everything was a dream, it was self therapy. And that would be really cool ending do AS. And they can even talk about how Mr. Peterson has been missing ever since then and that they wonder where he is at. And maybe they can show other kids talking about the tale of Mr. Peterson and how he kidnapped kids at the golden apple amusement park, hinting at the missing kids from HE when I think they were taken by cult, or maybe found. And if found, can talk about how thy survived or sum, but they lost likely died. And they can even say something that will be a nod to the fans and even GN2 that they believe is the raven man. And yes overall, I like this ending idea. Lowkey could’ve explained it better since as I was typing I came up with other ideas and how it would fit into lore, while popping up fan ideas but still trying to tie it to lore. But yea idk, feel like that’s a way they can explain stuff in a way

that makes sense and isn’t took jam packed. Like a lot in a a short package I suppose you can say. Also in a way that ain’t rushed either idk, just ideas with examples im putting out that hopefully make sense.

But we’ll have to wait for S3 to release and see how thy will portray HE.

And do everything else too, like HN2.

And also if it doesn’t all fit on YouTube. The physical release can work even more then with reveling more lore, extra scenes that are finished, and bonus content like behind the scenes and well, extra scenes for lore.

Ima find where I talked about physical release hold up.

This

This

And this

All 3 are tied to each other.

And can go with this too.

This can tie in too

[dusty trench]

Also Guest will take cloak off after a bit too because he doesn’t want to be seen as a cultist, be she he front like them.

[dusty trench]

And the fight between Mr. Peterson and Guest symbolizes how Mr. Peterson is getting consumed by his fears, problems, and mistake. It’s like kinda GN2, a mental battle. They can even pull a Mr. Peterson in Guest clothing. Like Guest grabbing Theo and they go isn’t a fake room or under a water thing while fighting. And the when they go near to see if they died, Mr. Peterson portrayed in Guest clothing comes out and begins to attack them, than they run pt and the rest above happens. And it fits because it’s distorted event, and this would show that they know about the events of GN2 but with the fight, Mayak fire, and them portraying people escaping Mayak and surviving, even what Miguel says it shows that the are portraying it in their head. And that in the future Pris and Regina will get over their fears, which can be a hint at later on. Eve the Mr. Peterson portrayed in Guest suit can show that if they do it in AS (which I really hope they do). That maybe they get over their trauma of the actual event. Because they are still haunted by Guest. Or maybe they know they will idk, and this can show that. Another example of kinda putting yourself in others shoes. And this can even tie into my movie ideas.

These movie ideas for a trilogy. Movie 1 and 2.

And part 3 idea for the third movie.

[dusty trench]

We started joking right after this, but this message is an idea by me for movie.

And this ties directly in.

[cyan pollen]

are you religiously studying the lore?

[willow depot]

the best way to study it hands down

[limber ridge]

What if this is true?(Weird raspy Voice is the voice from the lofi stream)

More interestingly, what If the narrator is the guest?

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow depot]

https://padlet.com/haroldlikespizza1987/blue-sweater-conspiracy-half-satire-6s303jconk8lrurl

Bringing this joke again

[limber ridge]

That means the Devil is canon and he has the appearance of Ted.

[willow depot]

to be fair who wouldn't wanna be Ted

[limber ridge]

Great point.

[wanton roost]

Any lore we can discuss

I'm bored

[limber ridge]

Not sure

I'm trying to think of something

Nothing.

Just what is all the lore the show has gotten us that we didn't see in other media?

[wanton roost]

all i got in mind is 2 things how do we think nicky has heard stuff from peterson when he was a kid and what do we think about the similar handprint on nickys window and what do nickys replaced lines mean by "imean you have no idea what really happened there to him"

[willow depot]

Theodore having a brother and the kids soon to be cultists being the one to kill him

the "Well" below Mayak assuming that refers to the giant pit

[dreamy sluice]

i hate franklin he's a big nerd

[willow depot]

Principal Abenante

[wanton roost]

WHAAAAT

[willow depot]

knew he was going to die the milisecond he was on screen smh

unlike goat Jesus

[dreamy sluice]

i hope he stays vaporized

[willow depot]

...well actually it'd be really funny if he was

actually revived as whatever

because again that'd parallel Jesus, going back to the painting 😭

can't escape it

[dreamy sluice]

and then they push him back into the hole and he gets vaporized again

[wanton roost]

Why do you hate franklin this is the worst thing I heard wuthat

[willow depot]

I don't like Franklin because people think/thought he was PAM

aand he feels

shoehorned a bit

[dreamy sluice]

there's like nothing alluding to guy existing whatsoever

like peterson NEEDS more dead family members

[willow depot]

this feels like the typical "lover boy constantly talking about his not subtle crush" thing

shoehorned secret twin brother

[dreamy sluice]

also his face looks stupid

[willow depot]

if he gets brought back in any way I'll maul Alex

[dreamy sluice]

he'd correct my grammar and call me an idiot

[wanton roost]

Well yeah cuz Roger made mayak and cultists are most interested in it

[willow depot]

he has enough dead family members as is

[dreamy sluice]

"oh ho ho, it's actually you're not your, you imbecile!" lookin fella

[willow depot]

funnily enough Franklin died before them from his lines

blud isn't catching a break in his teen to young adult years

[dreamy sluice]

he looks snobby

[wanton roost]

Why hating in the way he looks bruh

[willow depot]

sadly it feels like that's how things are gonna go otherwise he has no plot relevance whatsoever aside from telling us that woa yea Ted sure has very personal reasons to hate the cult (as if literally everything else wasn't enough)

[wanton roost]

we would probably never know who guest was I can't guess anyone else who could be guest

[dreamy sluice]

i am a certified franklin disliker (i dislike franklin somewhat)

[wanton roost]

And no it ain't thing

[dreamy sluice]

the guest is otto

[willow depot]

good means he won't live long

[wanton roost]

Shotgun man becomes crowman

[dreamy sluice]

have you ever seen gerda and otto in the same room?

[willow depot]

speaking of I can't wait to play HN3 in 2028 and find out that he's still alive and kicking in like 170 years old because the timeline has like no progression whatsoever

[dreamy sluice]

the baker HAS to be otto as well

[dreamy sluice]

who, the guest?

[willow depot]

otto

[dreamy sluice]

oh

it's only been 32 years but like guy is already older than neighbor

and good 'ol peterson is 85 in hn3

[willow depot]

we have Guest, Forest Protectors and Theodore's house all still standing

in Reset Day

which is like 2020s

at this point screw it why not Otto

[dreamy sluice]

otto rides around in a motorized wheelchair with a turret strapped to it

in hn3

grandeturisto told me in a vision

he drives around and guns down various npcs

he is also nicky roth

[vagrant igloo]

I just realized nicky's birth year is 1983

aswell as aaron's i believe

[limber ridge]

Lwk looks like squidward

[limber ridge]

Whaaaaat do you mean there is the painting from the scrapped storyline that doesn't even make sense with the current story because the other guy's an adult there, there was stuff alluding to him.

[limber ridge]

I believe there were like theories he turned on the mayak? I mean. Not sure how much sense it'd make but at least he don't get resurected.

[willow depot]

so is there a button at the bottom that he hit with his body

...Is sacrifice a crucial part of the weather laser?

huh

[limber ridge]

To be fair in any case something happened down there. Maybe a Button, maybe something else.

[dusty trench]

Maybe the Mayak power couldn’t handle the reaction of the human body, so it couldn’t process anything so it got out of control, unleashing the uncontrollable side of Mayaks full potential. Or a glimpse of it, or might’ve cooled down, or later for a short period. Or shut off quickly before it got too out of hand.

[willow depot]

Mayak's full potential is an interesting claim

Maybe it's kinda the sort that floods the town?

[wanton roost]

It is I'm sure

[robust shale]

https://tenor.com/view/janusz-hello-neighbor-hn-hello-neighbor-2-hn2-gif-8444093500976490597

[limber ridge]

Is this fanart or official?

It looks really good in any case

[robust shale]

its not official

[limber ridge]

Interesting how the Well had one part of the railing broken. Surely that implies something.

Maybe during the HW incident it was broken, which could also be what left the rest of the mayak messy, despite it supposedly not being abandoned.

Also, would Petersons stick together be from Ted's perspective or just how Trinity imagined it went down?

[potent harness]

Ted's perspective obvs

It was his memory

How would Trinity even know about it like what

[limber ridge]

Good point

[limber ridge]

Wonder If the lighting thing hit Ted, If he ran from it or if he just doesn't remember what happened after it so the flashback ended with him sticking around.

I know the lightning seems Impossible to survive but...

Counterpoint: A plane crash and giant statue falling on you also seem very unlikely to survive.

[dusty trench]

Maybe it wasn’t light the lightning strike that’s like the actual like, lightning strike in the sky. But maybe like a radio active energy that hit Theo as storm was getting worse. And it hit him but he still survived because it wasn’t like a strong lightning strike from the sky. You get what I mean right.

[dusty trench]

Yea I was thinking like the place where all of the storm stuff happens ya know. Not all of the extra time stuff added later.

[limber ridge]

Honestly i'd say extra time stuff would make sense to be added from that.

[dusty trench]

Also these messages can go with this. Mainly the part of the HE scene where kids get teleported.

[dusty trench]

Wdym by from that

[limber ridge]

As in extra time stuff could have been added when Franklin fell.

Maybe i misread it.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea I see wym

Read this discussion that starts here. It ties into what you said. We talked later on and got to the tike experiment t coming after Franklins death by Roger and Adele. Since they came back in 1960’s.

[limber ridge]

Read it already

[dusty trench]

K

[limber ridge]

I always scroll upwards to read stuff i missed

[dusty trench]

But yea that honestly makes way more sense tbh

[dusty trench]

Me too

Low key. Idk why I didn’t consider that at first lol

[limber ridge]

Either he is hiding by that point.

Or he faked his death

Actually those 2 can coexist but

[dusty trench]

Yea like hiding to protect people from events.

[limber ridge]

So Norman was the first puzzle master i imagine right? Unless Ted

[dusty trench]

I thought it would be MITH and Archivist. because of that event when he was a kid (in theory).

[limber ridge]

But Norman shared his knowledge to: Ike, Jay (tehnically he said a fellow named Roth, not specifying who exactly but Jay is more likely) and Rita.

Then those 3 shared info to others, for example, Jay to Miguel.

[limber ridge]

Oh that's a good point actually.

[dusty trench]

I mean that’s true.

Maybe like the info giver.

[limber ridge]

Btw If the pumpkin kid really was Smith that gives him a reason to search for mayak.

[dusty trench]

Yea.

[limber ridge]

Who else was included in stage play?

I think Marcia?

[dusty trench]

Yea pretty sure

That makes sense. I’ve included her when talking about stage plays tuff and just the lore in general about her knowing more stuff.

[limber ridge]

So for Marcia it could be either Ike, Rita or Miguel that shared the info maybe?

Doubt it'd be Jay

[dusty trench]

Also, Lucy Yi’s parents might know more stuff too. They would’ve hired MITH to make investigate, or just Puzzle Masters in general since her death was super suspicious.

Or Puzzle Masters got in contact with them.

Maybe got them involved a little.

[limber ridge]

If MJ and Mith aren't the same person who would You Say is more likely to be pumpkin kid?

[dusty trench]

MJ

[limber ridge]

Makes sense

I agree with that

[dusty trench]

That was kinda hard to answer ngl

[limber ridge]

I'm a bit split on whether they are the same person because they look very different but at the same time there are some connections to be made between the two

[dusty trench]

Yea. If he isn’t, he could represent the audience. How the audience always looks into town, because the audience is viewing Raven Brooks. Like how HN3 the town folks are weird to us, but it’s normal for them. And for Raven Brooks views since we see it in their mindset, things outside of town are weird or mysterious to them.

Idk how meta that is.

Heard the idea somewhere here.

[limber ridge]

MJ or Smith?

[dusty trench]

MITH

[limber ridge]

Mmm

I like that

[dusty trench]

Also, they would e tried to stop Nicky from getting kidnapped. Maybe just have Nicky fee Aaron. And why it’s hard for them to stop Aaron from getting locked up is cause Mr. Peterson is already too close to him and for obvious reasons so, yea. And they wouldn’t intend for the others to get kidnapped twice either or do Nicky to go into mental facility. But it happened, so thy had to proceed anyways even if its not the best way to turn out. Because not everyone can have perfect lives. Bad luck gets in the way.

[limber ridge]

Screw it.
Let's tie this in as well.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea I seen that

[limber ridge]

Since HN1 pre-alpha protagonist has barely a model and feels more like a canvas for the player

[dusty trench]

I mean HN1 was supposed to have spy elements. And well yea, it fits that MITH is the expanded version of that idea that was kinda present in HN1.

[limber ridge]

So it's easy to see how that and this can work together.

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Not the full game but prototype storyline was about spying on your neighbor to see if he is spying on you.

[dusty trench]

I mean yea, but it can be repurposed for sum else ya know. Cause the house.

Like the breadcrumbs left for it to be expanded on.

Since HN1 wasn’t fully thought out the way intended ya know.

But yes your right.

[limber ridge]

I feel like the Spy storyline was more of a placeholder for when they'd figure out a more proper story.

[dusty trench]

Yea

Makes sense

[limber ridge]

Semi-feel like this for faust storyline but there are some things that make me doubt.

[dusty trench]

I mean either way there is a kinda soy gimmick. I mean, you’re spying on your neighbor and breaking in to find the secret.

But not that exaggerated like that story

I mean it’s still exaggerated, it HN were talking about.

[limber ridge]

Do You have a favourite scrapped storyline from either HN2 or HN1?

[dusty trench]

Ooh

[limber ridge]

Me personally it's hard to pick between yellow press storyline and hello guest but when push comes to shove i liked yellow press just a little more.

[dusty trench]

Yea I love yellow press honestly

That might be my favorite one ngl

[limber ridge]

Gave us fake neighbor

[dusty trench]

Yes

[limber ridge]

The original hw incident was awesome

[dusty trench]

That really need to be brought back in a way

[limber ridge]

And awesome arc for the protagonist

[dusty trench]

Yea that story would’ve worked so good in HN2.

[limber ridge]

Also the mechanic Nikita talked about of solving stuff in real Raven Brooks, then You can solve stuff in fake twisted Raven Brooks

[dusty trench]

Just wish Beatrix was there

But still my favorite scrapped idea storyline

[limber ridge]

True. That's part of what makes the choice really hard for me.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

That would been cool.

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Also ROTM is where the Den came from, which is what my current pfp is.

[dusty trench]

Yep. ROTM was the transition build from HG to the next idea.

[limber ridge]

Also the fact that the guest and even name are inverse from hello neighbor is just great

[dusty trench]

Yea that’s nice

[limber ridge]

The guest sneaks behind You, while you sneaked behind the neighbor in HN1.

[dusty trench]

They kinda had the forest map be a tribute in a way.

And the called it Hello Guest but, yea ya know.

I love LNS

The fan game

[limber ridge]

Neighbor is like "Get a taste of your own medicine".

[limber ridge]

Same.

[dusty trench]

Yea

[limber ridge]

Plot twist: error world is still canon and Smith is the canon player.

[dusty trench]

lol

I gtg sorry. See ya.

[limber ridge]

Bye

[willow depot]

That's kinda sick actually

[willow depot]

It's somehow even a bit more meta given that both are kind of amalgamation designs

Faust plot player is ripping off Ted a little with the sweater, pants and white-fronted shoes

[limber ridge]

Oh he did have a model

Forgot abt that

[willow depot]

MITH kinda has the Quentin/Beatrix headshape, "striped" pants etc

Me when I play HN3 just for the player character to have no "identity" until they collect the full MITH outfit piece by piece from different places throughout the whole game and use Mayak to time travel or smth!!

[limber ridge]

That's actually the plot of the movie btw

Well not that, but it's about Mith traveling in the past after using the mayak.

Alex confirmed in one of the thousand times he pops up on discord and gives us massive Lore drops before deleting them.

[willow depot]

Peak

So yeah I really like MITH being us/our stand-in

Would even partially elaborate on why he's not really actually doing much

Although that's probably a bit too meta

[limber ridge]

I wouldn't say so

He can still be his own character with somewhat of a backstory and stuff.

But also be a representation of the audience.

[willow depot]

True

[dusty trench]

Yea, and HN is very meta at times like the guidebook.

But meta in a way where it can also explain lore. Like a message from the devs.

Like MITH is a character in lore but also can show and represent the audience in ways. Like isn’t the character as a message from the devs about the lore being the scene, like it’s showing something. So basically, it can work even if he is the Missing Journalist or if he isn’t.

[limber ridge]

Error world was a very meta thing they did. Even the show for example has many meta differences to tB's other games and jokes about the games' mechanics.

[limber ridge]

That would actually make Smith the most op character because he can mod the game.

[willow depot]

Smith when he turns neighbor into a speedster golden bear because he's bored

Nicky having a seizure from the world around him changing because Smith wanted to experience it all in "old art style"

[limber ridge]

That's actually terrifying to think of

[limber ridge]

Smith didn't add the speed part but the neighbor was just so frustrated he went on crazy speed mode.

[willow depot]

peak

[dusty trench]

Yea, also meta lore stuff. Like message from the devs ya know.

Even references like HN1 with the gaming YouTubers, reference to Nicky’s love for video games but he is mixing it with modern times. Like not the references themselves are canon like VGN, but it ca show something ya know. Even the speed runners chocolate bars.

[dusty trench]

Also I still believe error world to show canon stuff, just in a meta way.

I know that was a joke but ya know.

[little lodge]

What do we know about the Island plotline in modern lore, and when did it take place?

[dusty trench]

Sometime in the 1970’s

Read down this whole thing if you’re curious more on the events of the island.

[still sun]

yo guys the show canon?

[ripe berry]

yes.

our main theory as to how at the moment is time loop shenanigans

(With some perspective stuff like with the Act 3 House being real in the AS when it's not in the lore)

[dense vine]

@slim latch talk here too

[slim latch]

Ok

[ripe berry]

[still sun]

ahhh ok

that also could be why nicky dreams of the house

[limber ridge]

Tehnically Nicky doesn't dream it. Instead the act 3 house is a visual representation of self-therapy.

[frosty goblet]

Were is nicky parent

[willow depot]

they're a bit irresponsible leaving Nicky to it, doing parent things

[novel oyster]

Who is the man in the hat

[novel oyster]

Also is your pfp pre alpha man but textured?

[willow depot]

yuh

[novel oyster]

Can you send me the full image

Of the pre alpha man

[willow depot]

I dunno ask @dreamy sluice

[dreamy sluice]

took a bit of searching but this is the full image they have as a pfp

[still sun]

bro needs therapy fr

[limber ridge]

Nah self therapy better.

[limber ridge]

Well they're a lot worse in the cartoon than in books but yeah, pretty much.

[still sun]

nickys parents= gone

ngl my theoryu for nickys parents not in hn 1 isbecause nickys parents dont trust him, when he breaks into the house they basically arent there

or maybe there in a date laughging about their "stupid" son

lol

[willow depot]

You're discrediting them far too much

[still sun]

?

[limber ridge]

They're not that bad.

[still sun]

true

[limber ridge]

Well books at least, show parents just send him to psych ward

[willow depot]

They're not helicopter parents that's something at least

[still sun]

the show parents are like: wow a window, ima leave it broken for now

however it is in trinitys view so

[limber ridge]

Even then i doubt they actually want him to suffer or hate him, they just aren't very good at parenting.

[still sun]

trinity porbably thinks that his parents suck

[still sun]

ye

[limber ridge]

Nicky's parents are actually better in the show because Peterson is the MVP

[still sun]

frfr

well i got to go cya guys

[limber ridge]

Cya

[limber ridge]

/j

[wanton roost]

Hey frigid I'm in book 3 rn

[limber ridge]

Awesome

Read anything from it yet or just about to?

[wanton roost]

maritza actually kinda pissing me off though

[wanton roost]

I read like I think until the part where nicky gets confused about maritzas sudden hate

[limber ridge]

Same lowkey

[wanton roost]

In the middle of a birthday party she just acting all weird and silent

[ripe berry]

I might try to reread the books (or just find an audiobook online and listen to it) sometime

[limber ridge]

When and If You do it, you can search up Mark Hammond hello neighbor and it'll be there. All 7 of them.

[ripe berry]

noted.

I might even do it later today then

[limber ridge]

If by books you also mean graphic novels, i'm pretty sure those aren't there, but there was one channel which is where i read them from

[ripe berry]

na I was just thinking the main 7

[limber ridge]

Okay, those are all there then

Just that no images other than the cover

[ripe berry]

I might actually go through in rough timeline order (ignoring the loop idea)
Skip GN1 since it's unimportant
Aaron Trilogy
Missing Pieces
Replay HNHS
Rest Nicky Trilogy up until the day of Act 1
AS Ep. 1-4
Replay Act 1
Finish Buried Secrets
AS Ep. 5-6
Replay Act 2
AS Season 2
Replay HN2
Finish Hello Engineer
GN2 (I have my ways with GN2)
Play a few rounds of Secret Neighbor
Replay Acts 3-Finale
Reset Day
(I can't play HNVR since I don't got a headset but I might try to watch a walkthrough or smth before Ep. 6, Mobile device struggles to load HND so I'm skipping it, and HN3's unfinished)

and Idk why but Neighbor's Notebook is like- nowhere online (but it doesn't have enough lore for me to go to my local library for it)

[ripe berry]

or well, def not all in one day

but over the course of the weekend I might

[limber ridge]

So...

That's pretty cool

[ripe berry]

!

what do we think the meaning is in the context of HN3's Guest Lore?

because it was called Guest back when it was first made most likely

[eager island]

where does 1842 come from

[ripe berry]

scrapped room from HN2 Back to School DLC

[eager island]

ohh wait

[eager island]

i think the prototype 2 entrance sign also mentioned a year

iirc

[ripe berry]

18XX

the last two digits were hidden

[ripe berry]

until anything else is said is said on the matter I treat 1842 from here as the canon founding date for Raven Brooks

[limber ridge]

The closest thing we got is that luck devices are said to be so old that they could be ancient, but it's not even a confirmation and even if they were it tehnically wouldn't mean Raven Brooks has to be ancient.

[dusty trench]

My old channel has Bosco Bay

I don’t have access to that anymore

It’s separated into parts.

Channel name is Brave

[dusty trench]

#hn3-discussion message

[limber ridge]

Gonna check it out

[limber ridge]

I'm gonna give a little bit more "cynical" perspective and say this could have meant through gameplay mechanics, just like the guest from Hg. Mainly because Nikita said he doesn't answer much Lore questions.
Although, it's not like he doesn't answer any Lore related questions at all, because he has some, the one i can think of is the neighbor's age and by proxy HN3 time placement.

[dusty trench]

True

[wanton roost]

I told this theory to 2 of my good lore friends but now I have the confidence to say it here

So this theory will explain how books tie to AS I won't give the answer of as being just a retelling but I'll give more

In the book buried secrets page 122 nicky goes on a temper tantrum to everyone in the celebration or smth because of how his friends thought he was crazy and how suspicious they were to him

We start off with season 1 nicky is normal that's all then he gets trapped in the basement after he leaves he starts to give hate on his friends like he remembered the past

But if he remembered the past why not his friends

1 cuz he's a traumatised kid and stuff but that's not the only answer

2 the gang hasn't met or found aaron but the only one who did was nicky

(frigid told me that this could be the reason why aaron is very important for s3 even if he's not in it)

Let's get to the main point though

In the books the first people to suspect and hate nicky is surprisingly maritza she accuses him of the paper of aarons drawing she accuses him again of putting a mannequin in Mrs tillmans shop and tearing missing posters of aaron and mya nicky tries to convince her he doesn't know where the paper came from and he didn't tear up or place the mannequin

Now let's move to season 2 maritza is forced to steal a book and retrieve it to the cult she steals it and retrieves it but ofc it brings her to bad consequences

Trinity blames her and accuses her as a traitor betraying the gang and while maritza tries to explain in a stupid way trinity doesn't give her the chance to even Enzo agreed with trinity

But maritza is getting accused the same way She accused nicky

Moving to the books again iirc or if I read correctly I think maritza convinced trinity too easily that nicky is suspicious so trinity starts to hate him too and avoid him

Season 2 again she gets thrown in the cell and theo tells her how she broke him by freeing aaron just like how trinity broke nicky

and notice just notice how when maritza convinced trinity so easily that the consequences that happens to them happens in their same season

moving to the books again

Enzo hangout with nicky cleaning up the factory with mops until nicky says something that gets Enzo angry and leaves him

It doesn't happen in the same season as trinity and mari cuz they hanged out a final time so in season 3 will Enzo be punished?

[marsh idol]

wdym

[ripe berry]

talking in-universe
Guest might date back to the town's founding

[ripe berry]

turned what I was thinking of doing into a single unified HN Timeline Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyRPv6lgbeF17LDtDCJy9q2yCbf-t8nSE

[limber ridge]

If Hw incident takes place in like 1953, and The guest kid was part of that, it puts the festival time in at least 1953

[ripe berry]

included these videos aswell

[ripe berry]

(also put the AS Pilot despite it being non-canon bc why not)

[limber ridge]

I like that non canon stuff is included as well

[ripe berry]

I think I mainly put the HN Showcase stream because "Nothing contradicts that these scenes happened"

[dusty trench]

Tuff theory. And, it makes sense.

[limber ridge]

Package in between Coinflip and Dark echoes because Quentin arrives in the latter to replace MJ i assume

[ripe berry]

I think the only things I wanted to add to the playlist but couldn't are:
The HN1 Nightmare where he buries Mya and then catches Aaron (dunno what to even call it)
The HN2 CCTV Footage clips

[ripe berry]

yeah

and MitH Event I decided would be grouped in with wherever I put the tapes
and since the white tape is the aftermath of AS S2 Ep. 7, MitH event was put there

(or, I assume that video covers the MitH Event)

[wanton roost]

Thanks

[dusty trench]

Your welcome

[limber ridge]

Oh the white tape had Peterson's monologue but in wayron croobian right?

And i think it had an extra line but i don't remember what it was

[ripe berry]

that was Red Tape (which is what I'm grouping MitH event with)

White Tape was the one presumably between the Mayor and Keith

[limber ridge]

Ahh

[ripe berry]

also in Wayron Croobian

[limber ridge]

Makes sense makes sense

If the lofi stream would count here it might be like after season 3 if the theory that guest is the one screaming names is true (and Guest apparently only appears in season 3 in show)

[wanton roost]

Kid I'm the mayor of raven brooks

[limber ridge]

(just for fun)

[wanton roost]

I'm a bit too busy for questions

[ripe berry]

busy with a string of... missing persons cases?

[limber ridge]

Nah, must be the baseless rumours surrounding them.

[ripe berry]

(elite ball knowledge)

[low kite]

How did ten of your residents go missing yet the upper-class somehow seems immune?

[dusty trench]

Kid, I’m the Mayor of Raven Brooks

[split oriole]

Does anyone here knows what the HN2 red tape says? I can hear Theodore talking, but I really cant understand anything he's saying.

[ripe berry]

No. I think it's the one thing people don't understand in HN2 right now

[ripe berry]

does anyone have an idea of what Theodore might've been saying in that tape or is it still a mystery?

[wanton roost]

It was def Russian thats all I know

Maybe we can translate it

[limber ridge]

Shouldn't it be more wayron croobian?

[willow depot]

I doubt it's Russian

Yeah the series got its roots but I think Wayroon Croobian AND Russian is a bit overkill

[limber ridge]

I agree

Wasn't the red tape Ted's "Say goodbye" monologue?

[willow depot]

Mith spying on Theodore just to find out bro speaks in a combination of three different languages when he's alone (he ain't learning nun)

[willow depot]

I dunno

Does anyone have the tape on them

Been a hot minute since I've listened

[limber ridge]

Lemmy see something

Michael put a video from Mr apple's yt channel a while ago

You can watch it

It has all the tapes

[willow depot]

Ngl this is why I kinda dislike Wayroon Croobian

Justifying it as a town quirk was questionable enough, you could kinda like it when it was at least limited to writing

But no you have to dissect people actually talking in it

I get that like, it wouldn't be fun if it was just handed to us on a silver plate but feels weird and a bit even lazy

When the mystery factor is the fact we can't dissect the form of messed up English that they're talking

[limber ridge]

True

If the guest is really a creature and that guy is the guest, the fact that he has an open beak is so weird. Just imagine some guy runs around and looks at you with his mouth open all the time, without saying anything, just open mouth

[willow depot]

I'd hope they would get over their jaw condition!

[dusty trench]

I see it as a metaphorical language for the audience to see, not anything characters can actually see. It’s even presented in AS, and yes Easter egg factor but at the same time it can show stuff.

[dusty trench]

Also for this it wasn’t meant to slide to him just hearing creature, it was meant to allude clearly to like both in a way. When I said like, cultist sounds more human, sure it can allude to Guest creature if you take it there. But it ca also be that Guest just knows how to hide himself more as he is more mysterious, sneaky, and probably could’ve adapted to the nature of being The Raven Man.

I believe there’s also updated versions of tapes. Like enhanced updated versions of tapes I think. But I know that when you reverse audio or speed it up it’s different.

[limber ridge]

I don't even think it's metaphorical honestly. Just smth for the audience.

[limber ridge]

Oh i know, i just didn't know which message to forward about that guy being the guest and i went with yours because it's more detailed and included pretty much everything about the theory.

[dusty trench]

Oh alr

[dusty trench]

I mean yea. Some Wayron Croobian can be metaphorical tho.

Like what it deciphers too ca be metaphorical, or a characters name ya know.

Or just something in town like a police station.

[limber ridge]

I don't really understand what meaning could "logden payoll" or "lopice" have as a metaphor.

[dusty trench]

No not those. I was saying like some stuff it could say can be metaphorical. Like what it ca say in the future. Except it can have stuff that is just like a police station, park, or town name just to have that be in a weird spelling.

Like it could.

[limber ridge]

Oh, i see

[dusty trench]

Wait was it Russian or wayron croobian?

[limber ridge]

I think wayron croobian but it could be russian

[dusty trench]

K

[limber ridge]

Hard to tell because the words aren't yet deciphered

[dusty trench]

Yea

Makes sense

Although, it would be cool to hear a character talk in Wayron croobian.

That would be hilarious

[limber ridge]

We do i think

In the white tape iirc

[dusty trench]

Hold on, ima re listen to all tapes regularly.

[limber ridge]

Regularly as in you're gonna add "relisten to all tapes" in your schedule?

[dusty trench]

No lol 😭. Like I’m not gonna reverse or speed them up. Just from the video, even tho that has one reversed tape still.

Just finished re listening

And that just reminds me of Wayron Croobian for sum reason on white tape.

It might be actually

[limber ridge]

Think it is

Not 100% sure but it was probably deciphered by some people here on discord.

[dusty trench]

Probably

[limber ridge]

Think it's the Mayor talking to the police about capturing Ted

Like after he escapes, he tells them to capture him.

[willow depot]

what's the order of the tapes anyway

[limber ridge]

Like chronological? Idk

[dusty trench]

That makes sense, also we hear Mayor music in back.

[willow depot]

red tape is probably quite earlish on I'd argue?

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message

[limber ridge]

Probably

[limber ridge]

I think the first line in the white tape might be "You must find Peterson immediately!"

[willow depot]

too much assuming

red tape for example is clearly Peterson burying something

which already screws with its placement

[dusty trench]

True, also this is way older

[willow depot]

"You must find Peterson immediately."
"You're not doing enough."
"Well, go back to the house, and find the evidence."
"Deal. with. him."

[limber ridge]

Mya? Pilot still canon?

[willow depot]

peak!!!

[willow depot]

wasn't there a whole subplot in the books about him burying her then taking her body elsewhere

in the amusement park I think

[limber ridge]

Okay i kinda like those lines for some reason i can't quite figure

[limber ridge]

Yes there was

But i said pilot for the joke

[willow depot]

ik

[limber ridge]

Well tehnically it's not directly confirmed that was happening but most likely.

[willow depot]

I kinda like the "casual" voice that Mayor says them with

[limber ridge]

Can't really tell what else it'd be

[willow depot]

"Well go to the house and find smth!!! Idc bro deal with it"

[limber ridge]

It kinda feels like some guy scolding his pet.

[dusty trench]

lol

[willow depot]

ironic description

[limber ridge]

What If Mayor was actually talking to skipper

[willow depot]

cinema

[dusty trench]

Skipper is cultist

[willow depot]

general consensus on who recorded the tapes is MJ right

[dusty trench]

Yes

[willow depot]

I think they're a bit too vague to make out much aside from the obvious bits

I'm assuming after he kicked the bucket Guest threw them around town?

[dusty trench]

I mean there was like recorder taking pics of something and Guest noises sounded like far away, and MITH hat is at top of church where Guest is.

[limber ridge]

Pear doesn't believe MJ = Mith btw

[dusty trench]

I know

[limber ridge]

And that's fair, im leaning a Little on his side too more than the other option

[willow depot]

they're listed seperately in the excel thing iirc which is telling

[limber ridge]

Yeah.

[willow depot]

would that be uuhhh

reversed green one?

[dusty trench]

Also could mean that Missing Journalist isn’t recorder, and it’s MITH. Or some tapes are Missing Journalist, some are MITH.

[dusty trench]

I think

[limber ridge]

Partly because that's how i interpret the evidence and partly because i really really like that one interpretation you put of Smith being our stand in

[willow depot]

secret third option hear me out

you know this photo right

[willow depot]

doesn't make sense though, why is a picture of HIM? You can even see his own camera there

What if MJ and MITH had a photoshooting stand-off

[dusty trench]

lol

[willow depot]

like I'm joking a little there but otherwise I really can't wrap my head around

why it's like that

like it even has the photo flash (dang, frame perfect shot)

[willow depot]

like unless it's meant to be like the group of photos foreshadowing ted's house burning (which would mean that it's also foreshadowing something ahead that we'll never see now) I think that's the best we'll get

kinda weird knowing that at least on concept art stage he didn't have his mouth hidden

[dusty trench]

When was concept art made again?

[willow depot]

...and his hat being a little bit less exaggerated

[limber ridge]

Bro doesn't even have a mouth now

[willow depot]

shrugs

[dusty trench]

It’s fine

Idk if it was said either

[limber ridge]

Where is screenshot from

[willow depot]

I mean could kinda estimate between HGP and MITH event dates maybe?

[willow depot]

Nikita shared this concept art

[limber ridge]

Discord or else?

[willow depot]

discord

[willow depot]

the VILE and EVIL disgusting low ears made a comeback for this one

[dusty trench]

Idk why it reminds me of a H&S cutout NPC.

[willow depot]

that'd be kinda interesting actually

[willow depot]

speaking of uuhh does anyone remember the HGP cutouts in the ride at the end

I think one of them is kinda MITH-coded looking

[willow depot]

might just be nothing though

[dusty trench]

Also, HGP has that early HN vibe like H&S too for some reason. I know it’s cause it unfinished just weird.

[limber ridge]

If he is part of HW incident, it gives him a kind of reason to search for the mayak ig?

[dusty trench]

That was used as an idea in a theory

[dusty trench]

This theory

[willow depot]

at least before the rewrite

[limber ridge]

Or at least sets up a potential reason.

[willow depot]

same it kinda feels like really raw in a good way

[willow depot]

really lonely in comparison to HG too though

which kinda unsettles me usually

[dusty trench]

Yea. Kinda like how HN3 kinda is somewhat going for in a way. Like a raw version of HN artstyle.

[willow depot]

Like Guest just blowing up the US border- I mean the wall

what's the deal with that anyway

Mayak is sealed behind a wall? Can't they just walk around it??

[dusty trench]

I made a theory for that lemme find it

Hold on

[limber ridge]

Nah they're just salty that whoever built the wall thought they were idiots, so they wanna blow it up instead.

[willow depot]

peak

[dusty trench]

#lore-discussion message

#lore-discussion message

[dusty trench]

Oh shoot

[wanton roost]

I wrote it in a board

Cuz I thought it was uh

A good idea

[limber ridge]

Are those like about what Smith could want of the mayak?

[dusty trench]

This is peak

[dusty trench]

About HGP

HG story

[wanton roost]

Thank u sm

[wanton roost]

Oh speaking of that

[dusty trench]

Your welcome bro

[wanton roost]

Was mith the one who lightws up that window?

[dusty trench]

I believe it to be Aaron, or cultist.

I believe cult is holding Aaron at Mayak. After they voting once Mayak works, Mayak became their base of operation, and they built around it. Mr. Peterson in rage is seeing if Aaron is still alive their, going after cult.

Shown with Guest costume being represented. Even now Guest representation of destructive symbol is used even now.

[limber ridge]

I'm pretty sure Aaron was locked up in mayak, so that kinda adds up

Wait a minute

In the Alpha 1.5 HW incident the neighbor entered a room in the mayak to protect himself from Hurricane or whatever weather event there was.

Aaron is locked in the mayak as of HG

In ROTM a Hurricane is pretty much the main event

And Neighbor and player are the ones there

If the guy from The HGP Hw incident really was Mith, it would mean the HW incident kids survived there

[dusty trench]

That’s another possibility for who turned on light.

[limber ridge]

What i'm getting at is what if the Hurricane was supposed to hit Peterson and The player because the mayak is locked

Like pretty much the HW incident would repeat

My ideas are a bit out of order here but i think you get it.

[dusty trench]

Yea I understand.

[dusty trench]

And yea, this makes sense.

Almost like a loop, ina way. Like, a hint torwards it kinda.

[limber ridge]

Maybe but i personally don't think HG was working with time loops

Lemmy find it

[dusty trench]

That’s time traveling

I mean but I get it tho

I was more so trying to aim towards like, he unleashed pain onto others and is now on a destructive path, that all the pain looped back towards him.

Also, wouldn’t that mean cause Guest is there, that HW incident in HG was when Ted was adult.

[limber ridge]

He was responding to smth related to time loops i think and said his approach to storytelling is grounded so yeah

Although, the devil is not that grounded

[dusty trench]

Yea lol

I mean while he aims for a more grounded story, it still has sci fi stuff. Such as Mayak being a thing, and other meta stuff in HN and sci fi references that get expanded on later. Or atleast in someways, like its shop in different ways later on in other media.

Time probably as a symbol was welding to something different like H&S, but then they expanded on what they were eluding too later on since the breadcrumbs were left for that.

As we have seen with may stuff in HN being expanded on or elaborated on differently.

[limber ridge]

Speaking of, was Ted even part of the old HW incident?

[dusty trench]

Not sure, but I don’t think he was there as a kid, in that idea.

[limber ridge]

Actually kinda funny how we have like 4 different Hw incidents

[limber ridge]

Yeah same

[dusty trench]

Yea. Just shows you how much they keep certain aspects but tweak some stuff to make it fit.

Such as the girl cardboard cutout, and then Gerda kid later on.

[limber ridge]

We got the one from HG prototype, from HN2 alpha 1.5, RBBarchives incident, and Franklin incident which is quite a bit different but still inspired by the first 2 and takes place in Hw so let's count that

[dusty trench]

Well I don’t know. Like Franklins incident is after in lore. Like a HW incident 2.0 .

In lore.

[limber ridge]

Did the incident from books at Gaap factory also happen during Hw?

[limber ridge]

True.

[dusty trench]

Sorry what incident, remind me.

Like the burning?

[limber ridge]

3 kids went missing on a road trip at GA factory, in the 80s iirc

[dusty trench]

Oh

If in 80’s then it can’t be

[limber ridge]

Oh i don't mean it as in different versions of the same exact incident

[dusty trench]

Original incident has been in in 1950’s, before Franklin incident which I think 1957.

[limber ridge]

Rather, just missing kids incidents that happened during Hw.

[dusty trench]

Oh

[limber ridge]

Even that are simply inspired

Like Frank incident

[dusty trench]

Yea

[dusty trench]

Okay well yea it would be a HW incident maybe.

[limber ridge]

Frank incident was inspired by Hw incident source btw

[dusty trench]

Oh yea seen this message

[limber ridge]

Okay, so 5 incidents

[dusty trench]

Literally insane

[limber ridge]

Iirc in Aaron triliogy there also was one in real time...6

I have a bit of a hypothesis S3 finale might take place during Hw...7

7 incidents

[dusty trench]

Oh god

[limber ridge]

Only 6 tehnically

Maybe 5

Still a lot

[dusty trench]

Yea

Mayak influence is crazy

Really is the most important thing in HN.

[limber ridge]

With this idea, which games tie into Books more and which into AS

[ripe berry]

honestly not sure

[limber ridge]

I think HaS would tie more in the show since the Peterson kids go missing in different ways.

Also when i said this i gave HN2 as an AS example and HND as a book example

[ripe berry]

and out of those 4 of them are canon, and 2 of them are early versions of the final RBBArchives Halloween Incident

[wanton roost]

I think ik what the cassette tapes mean maybe you all already know

But I think it's mith spying on guest and theo

[limber ridge]

Oh probably

Mith or Mj

Interesting. When Aaron drew the island in bad blood, Ted told him he has an eye. Eye.

[wanton roost]

Eye?

I just so happen to think this photo is miths pov

Lol

[neat phoenix]

do yall think that the events of Hide and Seek is just Mya recapping the Events before she went "missing"

[limber ridge]

I think it's her experiencing the events real time but twisted by imagination.

I mean when would she even get to recap the events if she dies in them.

Unless you mean like, her life flashing before her eyes

[neat phoenix]

yeah i ment that

[wanton roost]

Why do many damn kids got the hallucinations imagination

[neat phoenix]

mabye bc of the mayak

[limber ridge]

The mayak made a lightning hit their head and now their brains are messed up

[wanton roost]

Damn man Roger even destroyed the children

I mean

We can burn em

[limber ridge]

[neat phoenix]

my headcanon is that the 3 books scattered in Nicky's House and Peterson's House in HN1 are the Nicky Trilogy

[limber ridge]

I've seen someone say the AS lines up with the guidebook

Does anyone know it well enough to?

I mean i guess the Thing would work here

[wanton roost]

The neighbors note book u mean?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

Why is it even called neighbor's notebook if it's mostly Nicky writing in it

[willow depot]

Would be funny considering his association with eye

(eye paintings)

[ripe berry]

in general yeah

[ripe berry]

Ironically not completely insane
#lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-losing-my-grip-on-reality-i-have-gone-clinically-insane-my-descent-to-madness-is-complete-ive-gone-completely-mental-i-am-beyond-the-point-of-no-return-gif-23191724

[limber ridge]

Oh i remember that. Probably just Nikita screwing with us but still...

[limber ridge]

Who needs alchool when you got hello neighbor Lore

[willow depot]

I already dropped the MITH=PAM bombshell but how about this

[ripe berry]

may I note that in the actual HN2 Beta the eye on the tree here is where the Mya Missing Poster would be

[limber ridge]

MITH = Donald Bales?

[willow depot]

That's his name???

[limber ridge]

Yes actually

In the books

Donald and Joy Bales

[neat phoenix]

why does AS have elements from the Devil Storyline

[limber ridge]

Probably just a reference.

[neat phoenix]

yeah

[willow depot]

PAM is MITH, Carnival Hide Here nightmare is GAAP, Giant Neighbor is... Giant Neighbor. Burning house is Trinity's house, fallen angel sign is Lucy, car crash is Diana's death, Jesus Judas painting is Franklin goodness gracious have we really gone full circle

[ripe berry]

everything has been recontextualized

[limber ridge]

Hmm

[ripe berry]

in general yeah
but the exacts are unclear

you can connect things a million different ways

[limber ridge]

What are the odds that something greater happened to Lucy in the AS when she got stroke by lightning.

Wait... Lightning...

[willow depot]

...

Nooo dudee

[ripe berry]

only things I know for sure:
Red Tape is Ted burying something
White Tape is when Ted broke out of Jail
Purple Tape is MitH/MJ finding the Tunnels
Blue Tape is MitH ontop of the church filming the Guest
Idk what Yellow or Green Tapes are

[willow depot]

You're not saying are you

[ripe berry]

nooo

you're not going where I think you're going

are you?

[limber ridge]

It's like that verse from the Bible, "i saw Lucifer fall from heaven like lightning". Is that what you are thinking?

[willow depot]

Oh my gosh

[ripe berry]

May I note
#hello-neighbor message

[willow depot]

No we thought it's Mayak related but that ties it to the fallen angel sign even more

Full circle theory is real

[limber ridge]

Funnily enough Nikita could have sort of meant this as well when he said everything is canon

[neat phoenix]

oh my..

[limber ridge]

As i said before

[limber ridge]

.

[wanton roost]

huh why would there be an eye tho

[limber ridge]

Mike remember to add this to the Wiki at some point

[wanton roost]

pretty damning evidence..

i think its like a ritual thing

lucy represents the crow with wings and a angel crown thing

[ripe berry]

I must however add

[limber ridge]

I know

[ripe berry]

I'll work on that again when AS Season 3 finally has a release date

[limber ridge]

But there is like one thing Nikita said on throwback discussion iirc

[willow depot]

The what now

[limber ridge]

So it's like faust storyline is a nano-canon now

[limber ridge]

A hn theories wiki

[ripe berry]

I was making a HN Theories wiki ala the FNaF Theories Wiki

[willow depot]

That'd be peak

Goated highkey

[limber ridge]

Pre-alpha stuff isn't fully scrapped and instead got changed, replaced and mixed.

[ripe berry]

I don't think I've done anything on it in 15 days (and it's still VERY incomplete)
almost forgot about it
https://hello-neighbor-theories.fandom.com/wiki/Hello_Neighbor_Theories_Wiki

(Only on Fandom because I don't think Wiki.GG would allow a Theories Wiki)

[neat phoenix]

I'm Excited

[neat phoenix]

o

[neat phoenix]

Can I add a page that has the Hello Neighbor Timeline?

[ripe berry]

feels like it implies something that Alex responded to that specific message from Noxified

[neat phoenix]

as "MikeHuff24's Hello Neighbor Timeline"

[ripe berry]

I guess, though actually, don't label it as mine since I still ain't 100% sure of the timeline myself. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat phoenix]

oh ok

[limber ridge]

To the cult the guest is an angel.
Lucy flies like an angel.

Maybe?

[ripe berry]

Like, I have an idea of the rough order
but like-
No clue about the exacts with Perspectives and Time Loops

[limber ridge]

I guess pre-alpha and Alpha 1 count into AS now.
/j

[ripe berry]

and in the AS, Lucy is struck by lightning, which you compared to the qoute of the devil falling from heaven like lightning

[limber ridge]

L-l-l

[ripe berry]

the devil... a fallen angel

[limber ridge]

Lucy guest?

[ripe berry]

oh wait Pear pointed that out already

[ripe berry]

.

[limber ridge]

Is Lucy the guest or is she Ted?

[limber ridge]

(Probably the most demented sentence i have ever written in my life but that's not here nor there)

[ripe berry]

I doubt Lucy is actually the Guest but there's something going on here.

[limber ridge]

Hmm.

[neat phoenix]

Guest as Lucy would be crazy plot twist

[limber ridge]

This is probably Nikita screwing with us, but If no what would it mean?

[ripe berry]

this implies that that image is a depiction of the Guest
The Guest has appeared in the AS "in a way"

[limber ridge]

Yes and Alex said in a way when episodes 1-5 of S2 were released

So ep 5 appearance is most definetely possible and i would Say likely

Because 5 was supposed to raise questions about The guest

[ripe berry]

May I note when investigating Guest Lore, the Green Tape from HN2 plays Distorted Crow sounds that when sped up in-game become Guest Sounds

[limber ridge]

Back on this. Even if it was say Mya having her life flash before her eyes, it still wouldn't count as not a prequel as Nikita says there. So...

Also, even media that should be in the same perspective and that changing he loop cycle would be too complex has inconsistencies, like Trinity's house is burnt down in Coinflip but there in DWTD.

Double perspective theory is upon us.

[ripe berry]

The Guest is "made of Flesh and Bone" but never said to be human
#hello-neighbor message

[limber ridge]

Someone is somehow someway looking at perspective of others

[limber ridge]

True

[ripe berry]

but at the same time I have to remember the Guest ISN'T supernatural.

but the question remains
who or what is the Guest

[limber ridge]

Yeah. 3 statements tell us that.

More actually

[ripe berry]

a bunch of statements that confirm to us that is the intention

[neat phoenix]

mabye the guest was a normal crow but then was experimented by Roger and Adelle Peterson in the Mayak, but something happened and they went missing

[limber ridge]

Yeah, from 3 people: Nikita, Alex and Adam and 2 of those people repeated that

[ripe berry]

the well is gurgling, almost ready for you-know what.

[wanton roost]

Oh now this looks interesting

[neat phoenix]

oh.

[wanton roost]

I have a feeling this looks similar to the guest in reset day

[ripe berry]

may I note that the Guest in HNVR is straight up just a crow
and can only be the Guest form we know in the Guest World/"Dark Dream"

and in GN2 there's a crow many suspected to be the Guest

[limber ridge]

If it would be a mutated crow wouldn't that mean Franklin also gets mutated some way?

Unless it's through a method different from the well stuff which is sorta out of order

[willow depot]

That's kinda icky to think about in a good way

I'll remind you that his beak in HN3 is a metal contraption

[wanton roost]

what if there's just multiple guests

[limber ridge]

There can only be one guest

[willow depot]

That would imply that he's pretty much disabled

And he's relying on a prosthetic beak

Would this make the secret ending taking off beak thing be the equivalent of taking your face off

[limber ridge]

Fnaf

[willow depot]

Springtrap ahh

[limber ridge]

No it's like that one employee that cut their face.

[willow depot]

...So there are these guys called the forest protectors-

[willow depot]

Jeremy goat

[limber ridge]

Forest protectors aren't real

[willow depot]

What a relatable character

[ripe berry]

and when Theodore becomes the Guest in GN2
doesn't he head downstairs in the Mayak Weather Station from what appears to be ground level...
There is NO basement in the Mayak Weather Station.

[willow depot]

I hope so!

[limber ridge]

Well actually If the guest is a bird Man they kinda are

[wanton roost]

I mean like multiple guests ones that can climb and eat people through there beaks lol

[limber ridge]

Forest protectors are rumours of half Man half crow people made up by the cult

The cult has a much lamer name

Get ready for it...

The Ravens.

[limber ridge]

Lol. Like ancient bird species theory

[ripe berry]

Theodore MUST be in the tunnels at that time
in the area where the Well is

[willow depot]

"The Raven Brooks' Mayor office"

Oh nvm

[ripe berry]

The Raven Society

[wanton roost]

Kid I'm the mayor of raven brooks

[ripe berry]

I'm a little busy for question

[limber ridge]

That too

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[limber ridge]

What if the guest is actually a supernatural creature

[willow depot]

Nikita Kolesnikov is lying to you

[limber ridge]

But without part where he is a supernatural creature

[willow depot]

Guest was a feature

A creature feature

Featuring the creature

[limber ridge]

What if the guest actually sets up stuff and plans it ahead, uses angle tricks that make people think he is supernatural.

Sorta like a... Stage play

[ripe berry]

(or the actual quote from the books is something like "There is no level below the ground level at the weather station"... so then why is there one in GN2 unless it's actually a modified part of the tunnels?)

[wanton roost]

oh you got me there..

[willow depot]

GUEST MOVED THE RAINBOW BALL.

GUEST IS ELEANOR

[ripe berry]

...

[ripe berry]

sorry for randomly jumping between stuff sometimes, my mind's laid out like one of those conspiracy cork boards

[limber ridge]

Aaron is actually the guest looking through everyone's perspective and twisting it to make himself a dream reality where he has all control.

[ripe berry]

how much time do you think passes?

[limber ridge]

Between Coinflip and deal with the Devil?

[ripe berry]

yeah

it could've been rebuilt

[willow depot]

Um

[limber ridge]

Hmm. It looks like identical though. That's a problem

[willow depot]

Firefighters came early maybe though?

Some mental gymnastics

Most of the fire seems to stay inside

[eager island]

you might just be thinking too much, its pretty much lazy writing instead of something that has been thought about

[willow depot]

This is where you tie in the Pre-Alpha burning house connection because there the fire was barely damaging it...

[eager island]

like the house burning scene was pretty much filler...

[wanton roost]

Who knows man maybe aaron can go in the guest and start being him like a freddy suit maybe in s3 he important and we won't see him cuz he gonna prob be guest franklin merged to aaron in one/j

[willow depot]

He's so big nosed here holy moly

[limber ridge]

True. Didn't lead to anything at all

[wanton roost]

I don't have any ideas of theories to spit out lol

[willow depot]

True that

[ripe berry]

trivia: that was actually concept art for MitH in GN2
...
we have no clue where he would've/does appear in GN2

[willow depot]

I'm pretty sure the artist said they were just asked to draw him

To see how he'd look in their style

A bit vague

For all we know could be a separate unreleased media featuring him

I like how if he wears a purple sweater he changes his coat to a darker color too

That or maybe they gave the artist that one render where he's purplelish

Iirc

[willow depot]

His proportions are also exaggerated in a sorta neat way?

Instead of cough cough getting them all wrong cough cough alleged MJ

[wanton roost]

Anyone watched the movie unbreakable Alex recommended

[willow depot]

when did he recommend that

[limber ridge]

Dunno about recommending but he said S3 finale is inspired by it a little

[ripe berry]

I still think MJ is most likely MitH
the Tapes are from the Raven Brooks Banner
the Blue Tape is MitH watching the Guest from the Church
MJ's the only other person we know in HN2 who worked at the Weather Station Raven Brooks Banner who we don't know much about other than "He got too close to them"

[willow depot]

typo

the mayak brainrot is getting to you

that's what they want...

[wanton roost]

A while ago he said this is like the finale of s3 smth like that

[willow depot]

neat

[ripe berry]

lmao

[eager island]

#hello-neighbor message
#hello-neighbor message

[wanton roost]

I think

He wants us to watch it

[ripe berry]

(sorry, I have an audiobook of Grave Mistakes playing in the background, and it was talking about the Mayak at the time)

[willow depot]

I think the tapes are too vague to make stuff like that out

the blue tape is literally just taking pictures and that one MITH photo is taken from someone else's pov while HE is taking a picture as well

[eager island]

aint thats a

mirror

[willow depot]

why would he take a photo into a mirror

I mean if there's a mirror in churh or that room sure

[eager island]

maybe he just wanted a selfie

[wanton roost]

where is the uncensored beartrap scene of maritza..

[ripe berry]

BUT we can see the MitH hat ontop of the church, aligning with where he could be taking photos of the Guest in Blue Tape

[limber ridge]

Cuz he looks so cool

[ripe berry]

especially when linking in Purple Tape where MitH seems to find the Tunnels when he gets found

[eager island]

god forbid a guy who just wanted to take a selfie...

[willow depot]

We also see MITH in one of the graves making him Schrodinger's cat

[willow depot]

I doubt the tape maker was found in the tunnels

[limber ridge]

Wait hold on.
PAM Mith stuff. PAM made evey possible sin ever(note i don't actually believe that but yk). Pride is a sin.

[willow depot]

I don't think we know that from anywhere

[willow depot]

"Pam made every possible sin ever" this is HN1 faust plot according to Cryxton

[neat phoenix]

I must see that movie

[willow depot]

unless you have a consensus on the tape order and how we learn it which I'm like

eager to hear in any case

also

[willow depot]

oh cool they have audiobooks of that I should listen to one

[limber ridge]

All 7

Mark Hammond is the channel

[willow depot]

nice

[willow depot]

I'm still fuming a bit from that interpretation man

[limber ridge]

I don't believe it but surely it can't be that bad

[ripe berry]

Listen to the Purple Tape again
there's no other conclusion outside of it being in the Tunnels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKkaHrU1KVM

(about 0:54)

and then the audio cuts out right as you hear Guest Noises

[limber ridge]

Sounds like some dragging is taking place

Wait no way

Other scenes in the tunnels that start out with some dragging in the whole franchise:

Episode 6 S2 when Maritza is being manipulated no way

[ripe berry]

and in the Blue Tape you hear a bunch of photos being taken and Guest Noises, and the only place where this makes sense in combination with the other tape of the Guest in the Tunnels being the Church

[ripe berry]

problem is MitH's on the wrong side of town at that moment

he's by Otto's Place in his Ep. 4 cameo, not the Mayor's.

[neat phoenix]

"In Unbreakable, David Dunn (Willis) survives a train crash with no injuries, leading to the realization that he harbors superhuman abilities."

hm.

[ripe berry]

and it sounds more like a ritual then anything else

[ripe berry]

more like...
wait
the Well!
The Audio in the tape sounds like it almost distorts as you hear the Guest Sounds
and you can hear a storm starting just before the ritual-like sounds begin

and then the Green Tape is distorted Guest Sounds that make it sound like normal crows unless you speed it up

[limber ridge]

So is still guest summoning but in a different way?

[willow depot]

yeah okay fair-er

that chore in the background though yikes

[ripe berry]

possibly

[willow depot]

couldn't he move in the span of 2 episodes

[ripe berry]

May I repeat
The well is gurgling, almost ready for you-know what.

[limber ridge]

Like instead of other-wordly communication it's mutation or smth

[dusty trench]

Wassup chat 👋

[limber ridge]

Yeah, it's night time by when that happens

[versed yacht]

There's a video that someone made covering Easter Eggs in S2 and they talked about this

[ripe berry]

the Maritza scene is still mid-Episode 4

[willow depot]

hii goat

[limber ridge]

Lehho Rakd

[willow depot]

oh right

umm.... car owner priveleges?

who am I kidding his bumper is falling off he wouldn't make that

[little lodge]

What's that supposed to mean? Sorry, I haven't caught up with what's up with the well other than Franklin's death.

[ripe berry]

Episodes 5 and 6 cut between the present and the time of Episode 4 quite a bit

[limber ridge]

Is it. She gets captured when the sky is like even darker than close to the end of episode 4

[versed yacht]

https://youtu.be/rjQByddkb5I?si=52exeBymQHGWnzE-

At 8:05

[ripe berry]

the sky darkens shortly after Enzo gets *nearly ran over in Ep. 5

I don't think we can use that to reliably pinpoint time

its storms in Raven Brooks, they don't work like how you'd expect.

[limber ridge]

Good point

But still how do we get to Tell that Maritza scene happens mid ep 4?

[versed yacht]

The movie is only like 5 dollars on YouTube, should I buy it and watch it?

[willow depot]

go on

[willow depot]

she goes off-screen for a long bit when the gang gets ambushed

and there's not really any other spot where we can shove her getting threatened

[ripe berry]

wassup
bunch of random conversation happening

[dusty trench]

I’m readin from top

[limber ridge]

Other than ep 5 chases time.

[ripe berry]

I'd say here's where you should start
#lore-discussion message

[limber ridge]

I wonder what the well could have that mutated crows or stuff

[ripe berry]

well, we don't know what Roger and Adelle were doing in the 1950s

[limber ridge]

Like does it put them in some time loop where anything that could go wrong happens or what.

[limber ridge]

True.

[ripe berry]

they got funding in 1961, but we know the building existed before 1957

[neat phoenix]

im watching the movie and hm..

Did Lucy Yi survived the crash, have superhuman abilities and became the guest?

[limber ridge]

Guest is a he

[neat phoenix]

well

[dusty trench]

What if it’s not just MITH recording all tapes, other puzzle masters too.

[ripe berry]

that could be an interesting idea.

[limber ridge]

Hmm

[dusty trench]

Also is this a suggestion for Guest creature theory or non Guest creature?

[ripe berry]

I'd say Guest Creature is where the conversation was drifting.

[dusty trench]

K

But these connections are really good tho.

[limber ridge]

Guest creature but in a sorta different way than the typical ancient creature stuff. Rather crow is being mutated to Guest

[neat phoenix]

nah this is false, mabye the guest is a mutated rotten corpse of Franklin

[dusty trench]

I’ve mentioned some experiment stuff going on.

Maybe crow and human experiment.

I’ve mentioned barely how it can be an experiment

[ripe berry]

I can say that most likely, whoever recorded the Red Tape isn't on good terms with Ted

[dusty trench]

Also consider how Guest has a tongue

[ripe berry]

the well.

[limber ridge]

So:
Ep 6 skull door.
Crowface, shmoeface guy.
Red-eyed crow.
Black book symbols.
Those are our main suspects. The middle two sorta contradict each other, the other 2 can add onto whichever

[dusty trench]

Also stuff like the house burning and angel symbolism just shows more that you can play early builds to get an idea of what devs are thinking for story, and see if there are similarities or ideas that can fit into the narrative.

[dusty trench]

Yes.

Also the Theo connection is truly interesting

[ripe berry]

which Pear has repeatedly done

[dusty trench]

It can have a metaphorical meaning, but literal too in a way.

[dusty trench]

Yes shout out to Pear

[dusty trench]

Showing the sci fi and perspective connection.

[dusty trench]

Also, something like this can be possible in a way. Something at Mayak causing all of this weird stuff in people’s minds, like the loops and teleportation.

[dusty trench]

Maybe cultist were seeing how far they ca push Mayak and the experiments with human bodies and crows in some way.