lore-discussion

[marble rain]

Alyx??

There's a dang horsie

So like...

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The combine horse is jousting against civies

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Woah

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Ignoring the ominous stun baton

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I loved when youtubers theorised we are The Neighbor's escaped child

Peak gold era

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How stupid were people

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We were at one point. From Alpha 2-beta 3. Then they scrapped that storyline.

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Source?

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Probably Nikita in the MegaM interview

[marble rain]

Nah nah
Let 'em be, I LOVE when ppl theorise The most random piece of gold

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I'll go check

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The worst theory I’ve seen about the guest in hello neighbor is NickyGuest tbh

[marble rain]

Tbh Im Theorising The Guest is some sorta Entity that steals its victim's souls and can shapeshift into those whenever it wants
But its just a headcanon after all!

[dusty trench]

Yea I see wym. I just seen a ton of similarities with this.

[wise bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/nicky-roth-trinity-bales-hello-neighbor-eyes-welcome-to-raven-brooks-gif-3174468371113128093

Noticing the skeleton

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-running-run-gif-8421886546433885432

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Observing

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Search up MegaM Nikita interview, go to 42:27, he says it there.

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Nein!!!

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Have You went there?

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Y'heard what he said..nope!

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Don’t wanna

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That is the creator of the game talking

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It’s 3:14

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Oh well, at least don't deny it was the storyline at one point

[marble rain]

The Crow Man of eternal confirmation telling me I can kill ppl whenever I want:

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This has happened before irl to schizophrenics

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Welp-

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Imagining a crow speaking to kill

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Instead of CRAH CRAH to be KILL THEM KILL THEM

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https://tenor.com/view/halloween-jason-gif-9988392

[dusty trench]

I turned my replay into a file since I couldn’t copy and paste because it gives me spam warning lol. This is replying to the previous text wall I made above the one right before I mentioned spam earlier.

[limber ridge]

Peaky

[dusty trench]

This message is what the file continues off of.

[marble rain]

KILL EVERYONE, INSERT DOMINANCE

[dusty trench]

Ima continue rn

Hopefully no spam warning. Or I might lowkey take a break again lol

Anyways

[marble rain]

You seem like a really chill person!

[marble rain]

You too seem like a chill person!

[wise bridge]

What’s 33+34

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GASP no...

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Yes

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No....dont Say it...

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https://tenor.com/view/67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-67-kid-gif-84593910055077043

[marble rain]

You're still a chill person

I love chill ppl

They cool

Also sent You a friend requesti

Better not fill my chat w 67 or sum

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I won’t

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You say it

https://tenor.com/view/67-kid-nike-tick-deltarune-death-ah-ah-ah-gif-14762518461160698304

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Obese

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-mr-house-house-mmm-gif-9760494764755111271

[marble rain]

Did he ever kill a child? Lore wise i mean

By this I mean did it happen in The game

[wise bridge]

Idk

[dusty trench]

And even art of the HN2 map looks like a carpet with town on it, where kids would play on. Even the way HN2 plays out is like your being guided by someone. Which I do believe the theory that The Guest is guiding Quentin because all of the evidence point towards it. Or that the cult is guiding Quentin, but The Guest tries to intervene. And something happened that angered The Guest into just trying to kill Quentin. But we do know that someone is guiding Quentin. In every game it’s like someone or multiple things are trying to guide you, or that there is symbolism of it being like a stage play. Or you with you, like a star play. I mentioned above of the cult in a metaphorical way toying with Mya’s mind, guiding her to her death. And having her follow along. Even in games like S&R and HE, it’s like a trap. Mr. Peterson slowly capturing the kids, luring them to be locked away. And in HE they find out that they have been stuck in a time loop the whole time. And in S&R with The Guest trying to guide Aaron and convincing him with a deal. To help Aaron set the rescue squad to freedom. And the cult in HN2 wanting to kill Quentin as we see from the jumpscare animations of characters who are cultist (not Kieth). But they don’t because they want to use Quentin so they can find Peterson. But The Guest tries to intervene for his goal. Something happened for The Guest to try and kill Quentin. And HN1 Nicky and Nicky’s perspective in the books, he’s lured to the basement. And trapped there his fears telling him that Peterson is constructing everything. That it all went as planned. But characters find ways to break those plans. Break the system. And no I am not saying it’s a simulation, it’s metaphorical, like the error world and stuff in HN1. As in the interview said by Nikita, he wanted hello neighbor to feel like as if you were trying to against the developers plans, as if you were breaking the game. Outsmarting the system, like breaking the game.

[dusty trench]

And hello neighbor has shown many elements of this as symbolism, not just in HN1. But in SN like the man in the hat event, rocket event, or Lucy Yi events. All you have to break out of bounds to complete them. In MITH event for example you literally have to go through the wall to get out of bounds by doing a glitch. All of the events in game end the round early with a question mark. And in the rocket event, you get to explore the main menu, something you aren’t suppose to do regularly. Even the HN2 package YouTubers got has a secret code to a website that gives out more lore. And it’s the archive of the raven brooks banner, lost media that you can’t access normally. Even in S&R andHE when Mr. Peterson lures us to a trap that is constructed by him, we break that by when playing as Aaron we are normal, but as Guest are either on the ceiling and everything is upside down, sideways, and shaped in weird distorted ways that you can’t do normally. And in HE the kids are portrayed in gameplay to be using tools to build stuff and get past obstacle’s, further escalating the time loop constructed by Mr. Peterson. And in HND Nicky in gameplay is portrayed to use tools and gadgets to get pass levels and unlock stuff. And later on we earn an ability that is more unnatural, allowing us to walk on walls and ceilings, something that you shouldn’t be able to do. Even the abilities you earn in HN1 are unnatural and shouldn’t be possible. And you use them to win. It’s like breaking the system. Metaphorically breaking the laws of physics, doing what you want, having freedom. Which is what hello neighbor’s goal is since the beginning. To have freedom. The original hello neighbor game was supposed to have a ton more freedom, many things to do. Which yes you can, but not fully. Same with, every HN game. More possibilities of freedom to do what you want. Be creative, which is where some of the imagination symbolism comes from. With characters being creative.

[dusty trench]

Characters in the game like Peterson, and the cult, have been seen trying to control others for there own goals. Taking advantage of people, toying with there minds, making them feel weak, have less power, have less freedom. And all of those metaphors and symbolism of breaking the system and other unnatural stuff, represents characters trying to break out freedom. While others try to gain power. Like in S&R the kids break out to freedom after being lured to the basement. And HE the kids believing that they had freedom, only to be trapped the whole time. But in sandbox they really had there freedom to escape the loop, escape Mr. Peterson’s system. In HN1, Nicky breaks free from his fears, no longer trapped by the past. And he chose to try and figure out the events of what happened to raven brooks, his fears trying to creep back, but can’t. And even with act 1 playing out like it’s a trap. When entering the Barney, door locks behind you. Leading you to this trap. But the by Act 3 the gate really starts. Even the plan for the gate would be that it would tell you that the goal is to get into the basement, but in reality there is way more outside around the map to explore with more secrets and other stuff going on. Also the fact that the original HG prototype was found through secret neighbor where you found the code for the website that let you download a secret file of an unfinished game not ready to be played yet. There’s even many themes of nostalgia and memories in hello neighbor. Like Nicky using his memories to get over his fears, and discover what happened to the town, and fixing foggy memories. Quentin getting hit in the head and forgetting stuff, his memories being foggy. And even the rescue squad in AS and other media. And H&S with Mya’s mind being played with, as she try’s to forget her bad memories with her imagination. Mr. Peterson running away from the past. This shows that fear can take over your memories, and how you perceive the past.

And fixing your memories and mindset being taken advantage of by manipulation, gaslighting, luring, can lead you to freedom. Fears capturing you and reminding you of bad memories, rather than good ones. But this shows that you ca just forget or ignore past trauma, fears, pain. You have to face your fears. Don’t let fear control you and destroy your mental. And don’t let others take advantage of your emotions, fears, weaknesses. Don’t let others play with you, or control you. And notice I have been bringing up stage play a ton. I believe these metaphors within characters perspective are a good example on how perspective and metaphorical showing can show stuff about the sci fi side of and what’s actually happening. And that sci fi stuff
Can show us stuff about metaphorical symbols to understand characters. That word stage play, can tie to so many things in hello neighbor. I brought up a ton of connections, but there’s more. Such as the sci fi stuff with the time loops. Or like The Raven Man festival, being tied to the history of raven brooks. Even metaphorical connections with the festival and the storms have been shown. And this ties with HN3 showing what hello neighbor is intended to be. More freedom. But you choose what to do with it. Hello neighbor shows the reasons for people wanting power and control, and the reasons behind people wanting freedom. It depends on how you use it. For good, bad, your own goal. But you can’t run away from your problems forever. You’ll have to face it at one point. Because even the smallest actions can have a huge impact.

Alr I’m offline rn, I might expand later. Peace ✌️.

[marsh idol]

no there isnt

what’s in the box, why is edwin now the one behind the animatronics, why is andrew the vengeful victim, why is afton back and out, why is elizabeth not even on the timeline, why is the mimic behind everything

dont get me started, i know the fnaf lore in and out and i still think it has no lore after fnaf 5-6

it’s also not hard to figure it out because there is no correlation to anything in the lore, especially midnight motorist

and especially what’s inside the box now nobody knows what’s inside of it now

it’s bad writing in and out over and over

there is no lore

they’re called the forest protectors because they are safeguarding the towns secrets

metaphorical name

they kill for fame and for belief and stuff

they kill people to scare them using the storm and sometimes their own hands

this is to make people believe there is bad luck within the town

[daring saddle]

Scott said "i dont know what is in the box"
Edwin help creating somethings and Henry is still behind the animatronics
And Andrew...? Andrew is still a debate
Afton died at FNAF 6, Scott did not know how to work with Steel Wool before SB so a lot things are misleading because he didn't tell his own team the goddamn lore (which he does now)
What you mean about elizabeth?
Mimic was his origin in 1979 (Secret Of The Mimic) he gets defeated before the 80's, stay out of the timeline, and then comes back in a 2023+ year

FNAF is not perfect, but the fandom loves to twist a lot of things and make it TERRIBLE

the games between 2019-2021 the devs worked without knowing Scott's real plans

so lot of misleadings and wrong concepts, but everythings is fixed by now

One of the bad things is the lack of communication, like I really wish Scott could explain the book situation (by now is most accepted that all books have some concepts and answers for the games, but the stories are not canon)

The "FNAF Ultimate Guide 2.0" not guide you at all, and is so terrible that made some people think is AI written (even that is probably not)

[glacial whale]

I’m seeing stuff I know nothing about

[daring saddle]

lol

[wanton roost]

Holy off topicness

[ripe berry]

I know this is the HN Lore dicussion but just as a correction
Scott DOES know what's in the box, just doesn't know how to make it relevant to the current story
Anyways when do you all think Secret Neighbor and Hello Engineer occur timeline-wise

[wanton roost]

Isn't secret neighbor like the same as search and rescue and ep 6 s1

Do we know the timeline of s1 and 2

Cuz I think it's both of the same

I think they also said season 3 is HE so probably it is around few stuff after sn

[dusty trench]

I wasn’t expecting another franchise I love talking about, be brought up in HN games lol.

But yea that is true.

What Scott meant in that Dawko interview was clear he is trying to make was in the box relevant to the modern fnaf story. So much stuff got added and the books that many people use for evidence can go all over the place. We just need actual proper answer’s from fnaf so we can piece stuff together. And SOTM did give a lot of answers but still, we gotta know more about the classic games too. Because if Scott wants what’s in the classic games to matter to the modern lore, he has to elaborate on the past, and start confirming stuff. And I do believe SOTM is a start to that.

[dusty trench]

I agree with this

[dusty trench]

AS seems to take place later on maybe in the 2000’s most likely. But the kids minds are fogged became of trauma and are looking back the past becuase of the trauma, which is why stuff like cell phones are there. The events of AS take place in past because that’s where the kids minds are, but there bodies are later on. It’s a way to explain stuff in a metaphorical and psychological way. This also connects to the sci fi too. Since the kids are trapped in a timeloop in HE, but they escape. But even even tho they escape, doesn’t mean they don’t hold that trauma. There minds stuck thinking about the darkness of the past. Like the timeloop they were stuck in before. They were trapped in that loop losing hope, stuck thinking of all of the horrible stuff they experienced. And there mistakes, the way they treated Nicky. Which is where I talked search & rescue. S&R at first seems to be a simple timeline placement. Until you look at everything else. S&R is a little similar to AS in a way. To where it’s depicting a past event, but it takes place later on. The rescue squad had treated Nicky poorly and not being a friend toward him. No one believed him, or listened to him. They didn’t try to understand what he really needed, nor did they listen to his warnings. The thing isn’t something any character can see or interact with, it’s a metaphorical representation of fear and trauma that the audience can see. Since we view the story through characters mindsets. Why I bring that up is because in the series we see drawings of the thing by Nicky and he even mentions the thing and appears to be running away from it. But those aren’t literal, they are metaphorical. He isn’t actually seeing the thing or mentioning it or even seeing it, it’s a metaphorical depiction of his trauma effecting him. His trauma always lurking behind him, trying to get him to fear everything around him. His warnings of him saying a shadow is gonna get all of us, is the same warning he gave in S2 EP2.

[tiny verge]

just because it sucks now doesn't mean they do not plan on having a lore

it's just that they're so bad at keeping it consistent

[marsh idol]

they have a plan on their NEW lore

nothing on the old

[tiny verge]

that's still lore, don't see your point

[marsh idol]

Scott’s entire story was scrapped, it’s just retcons after retcons

[tiny verge]

again

this doesn't mean there is no lore like you stated

[marsh idol]

theres no lore

[tiny verge]

just that the current one

sucks

[marsh idol]

i state

[tiny verge]

that's just objectively false

it's bad, it's inconsistent, and they make things convoluted for no reason yes

but that doesn't mean there isn't one

it's just a bad one

that's kinda why alot of people here say the Hello Neighbor lore is way better

[dusty trench]

About Mr. Peterson and the cult coming after them. But thy aren’t listening to the warnings he is giving out. And the cult is after them, and they get trapped in a timeloop by Mr. Peterson. And that metaphorical saying of Micky saying a shadow is gonna get everyone, is saying people in raven brooks will be forever haunted by fear, forever traumatized on the incidents of raven brooks. Including the rescue squad. As we see see later on they are stuck thinking about the past. We see this in AS, HE, and S&R. Memories fogged by fear, like Nicky in Act 2. And S&R the reason it’s focusing on that event specifically, is because that’s the event that changed the hello neighbor storyline. The event of Nicky getting kidnapped, held for a while, and the escape, changed the storyline for characters like Nicky, rescue squad, Aaron, and even Mr. Peterson. With Aaron getting freed by Nicky as Norman said he would. Mr. Peterson going to jail. The rescue squad meeting the cult, and everything else happening, and Nicky getting his trauma but then has his ark of facing his fears. The game focusing on this event is a reminder for the rescue squad on how they treated Nicky, even after the event that changed everything. And that’s the point. This is the event that changed everything, it brought Nicky that trauma. And they are putting themselves in Nicky’s shoes. Understanding his pain , in a way. Trinity bent across the street if Peterson house in AS represents Trinity putting herself in Nicky’s shoes, which is why there is a metaphorical depiction of her viewing Nicky getting kidnapped. Her view on that. And yea, some shots of the AS are at a weird angle to where it’s looks like Trinitys house is at a side angle of the Peterson house and that she is looking at the side of his house when looking out the window, but still. In the books and games we don’t get any hints of Trinity living next to Nicky anywhere else. But in this case, she is trying to view what Nicky went through.

[dusty trench]

Her memories fogged by fear and guilt of the past. Which is why Nicky’s kidnapping is shown in an exaggerated way and why Mr. Peterson’s character is portrayed like he is not just in AS but in a lot of media. It’s there fears playing with there mind. They know Mr. Peterson is intelligent, smart, and tricked them many times. So it not only fits his character maniac persona, but even ties to how the kids view him. This is letting the kids know there fears, trauma, and there choices. And they are trying to redeem themselves. Them in that moment, them stuck about the past, shows in the kids mind, that they are in Nicky’s shoes. Experiencing what he went through. Im a traumatic way. Them being tricked into a timeloop by Mr. Peterson is like how Nicky got tricked and locked in the basement because of his curiosity’s. The kids getting set to freedom all happy with Nicky in S&R, is a representation in how they redeemed themselves. The thought about saving Nicky from the basement gave them hope. And that if Nicky seen them now, he would be happy. Seen how they redeemed themselves, grew up. It’s like nostalgia in a way of how everyone was happy at one point, until fear came through and infected their minds, being scared of everything around them. Which is what the drawings of the thing in AS represent. Fear infecting the minds, having them scared of everything around them. Turning happy memories, in a nightmare. Aaron using the red key opening the door, just for him reaching out to Nicky only to be pulled back, shows in Aaron’s view, that he wishes he could reach out to Nicky again, and see him. But his father keeps holding him back, out of fear of losing his son. And the cult keeps coming after Aaron, The Guest reaches out to Aaron. Everyone keeps trying to come to Aaron. But Aaron just wants to be with his best friend, and want to make sure all of his friends are okay, which is why he agreed to the deal with The Guest. He’s willing to do it as long as his friends

the people he cares about are okay. Even if that means he won’t get to see his friends or people closest to him again. Thats why he wishes to have hope for his father, but deep down he knows his father is getting worse, as Mya said before. Just like his sister, Aaron tries to cover up everything that’s going on, by hoping for something that will never happen. He wishes to get to Nicky, but everything else keeps holding him back. He wishes he could do what Nicky did for him. But he’s held back. The reason why in act 2 is depicted as Aaron helping Nicky escape that room is because it’s representing how Nicky’s still trapped in his fears, like how he was trapped in the basement. The place he was held where all of his fears took over his mind. Crushing his mental. It’s a representation of Nicky’s view on wanting to see Aaron again and break free from his fears, and see Aaron again. H feels this fear that he is trapped in, like how he was trapped in the basement. His hope is that someone will come save him from this feeling. And he sees that as Aaron, since he was the closest to him. Because of his fears like Aaron and Mya, Nicky is giving himself this hope of being saved, but that never happens. Which also that depiction of Aaron unlocking the door in that act, also shows a little bit of Nicky’s self doubt at that time. But he wakes up and realizes that he needs to face this fear himself. And we see that in act 3 & finale. He broke free from his fears. He has freedom now. And what does he do with that freedom. He chooses to discover what happens to raven brooks and everyone in it. But he dodges his fears because he is smart enough to outsmart his fears. He won’t let his fears outsmart him. Because he over powered them.

[wicked heath]

Holy yapping

[dusty trench]

And I just added more

[daring saddle]

Folks

I am trying to understand the lore more

And I am stuck in the events during act 2 (out of the basement) and after it (but before act 3), is there a full understading of what happened?

[ripe berry]

if this is about how the neighbor's house burned down
that was just due to a storm
and no, the Act 2 House was not real, that was Nicky's memory warping to reflect how the house felt to him

[daring saddle]

and what happened to Aaron and Theoore?

[ripe berry]

Aaron's fate outside of Hello Neighbor 2 is unknown and might be covered by the movie

[ripe berry]

and with Theodore
Well, we have a bit due to the AS, HN2, and The Raven Brooks Disaster, but a good chunk of the 1996-2017 timeframe between Acts 2 and 3 is just unknown

[marsh idol]

no there just isn’t no lore objectively

there is no story

there is no plot

you might as well say there is no characters

[daring saddle]

What is "The Raven Brooks Disaster"?

[marsh idol]

a book

[daring saddle]

I heard of it, but I dont remember what it is

[daring saddle]

the graphic novel right?

[dusty trench]

People like myself call it GN2. And the bosco bay GN1. Graphic Novel 1 & 2.

[daring saddle]

are they related or two separate stories?

[dusty trench]

They are canon

And important to Peterson’s character in many ways.

[tiny verge]

I'm sorry but I think you're fundamentally wrong on this

they literally would not get rid of the one thing that made them tons of money

that's just stupid

[marsh idol]

thats called gaslighting

[tiny verge]

no that's called a money machine

that's really the real reason why it's so inconsistent

literally made just for the sake of profit rather than to tell a genuine story

does not mean it HAS no story

but we can admit

there's a thing called BAD stories too

that's what modern FNaF is

y'know

[daring saddle]

So there is no "End" to the "first half" (Aaron, Neighbor, The Cult, Clubs Inventors, Nicky) of the story by now? Just the future events (like Act 3 and HN3) when everything is legacy and past

[tiny verge]

why are we even talking about this here

this is for Hello Neighbor not Freddy Faznose

[tiny verge]

uhhh the 90s era of the timeline hasn't been finished yet no

I think the show may be finishing things off though

and then they'll be sticking to the 2010-2030 era of the timeline

I THINK

[daring saddle]

oh, alright

it will probably be it since the series s3 has past HN2 events

in it own adaptation

[daring saddle]

Why would the movie cover it?

Are there news about the movie lore?

[tiny verge]

I forgot about the movie

[dusty trench]

Also don’t forget GN2 being connected to HE as far as we know from the timeline. And also the first point we have leading into the modern storyline.

[daring saddle]

GN1 is in the same time (like just some little time before) or before?

[dusty trench]

GN1 is before bad blood. In 1980’s

[daring saddle]

alright

[dusty trench]

Specifically this year

[daring saddle]

Also is Quentin born in Raven Brooks?

[dusty trench]

It’s not confirmed, but it is hinted at that he was in Raven Brooks

[daring saddle]

And "The Man In The Hat" (I think that is his name) still a thing?

[dusty trench]

Yes he is still a thing. But he is very mysterious right now and commonly in the background, teased. Either with his hat and jacket or a picture of him like in HN2. Or in SN with his event, trophy, and the badge with him on it.

[dusty trench]

How Quentin is implied to be in raven brooks when he was younger is because of the newspaper in act 2 forest area with Beatrix saying that she was playing hide and seek with her brother, who’s name starts with a Q. Around the newspaper are coffee cups and a news screen, Sam model from Quentin’s office (this also hints at MITH since in that level his hat and coat is in the church at the top and there is a picture of him in the map). And also in Quentin’s notepad we see a drawing of Beatrix’s eye patch and even her van used in HG (we use the van as an idea since she drove it in HG and she is implied in this game to be Quentin’s sister and that can be a hint, also a hint that Beatrix most likely isn’t dead and knows Quentin).

So he might have been born there.

[daring saddle]

Interesting

[dusty trench]

Also man in the hat (also called MITH) is in the AS (tv series) behind a tree at the shot where Delroy is looking at Mr. Otto’s house (the taxidermist from HN2).

[dusty trench]

And MITH is hinted at to be a private investigator, or previous journalist because his badge description (in SN) is about investigative journalism.

[daring saddle]

Could he be a representation of the viewer/player (us) ? Like a representation of someone investigating and stitching this story together

[dusty trench]

That’s actually a cool way to use him in the story metaphorically. I like that idea. I also believe it’s possible he is the missing journalist from HN2 since all of the evidence in that game and in SN points to that.

@daring saddle ima send messages that give some theories on MITH.

[daring saddle]

Alright

[dusty trench]

@daring saddle These messages aren’t saying that the alphas are canon. Just that they probably used ideas from these older builds for MITH in a way. Like they did with the Judas painting and Franklin Peterson. And a storm incident at Mayak with kids going there.

@daring saddle

@daring saddle

@daring saddle

@daring saddle

[daring saddle]

Got it

Also, is Reset Day canon? What is the Diaries game and Hello Enginner about? Peterson is somehow trying to change the past? And idk if I am dumb, but I didnt get the relation between the Neighbor and The Guest in Graphic Novel 2, it was always the guest or the guest (kills?) and take Peterson form only in the final and the guest was manipulating Mr. Peterson? What are the time loops?

[marsh idol]

yes reset day is canon

not in my knowledge i'm picky but ill catch up

hello engineer almost seems metaphorical entirely about the kids building mechanic cars and trying to escape whilst learning of the park's secrets and the neighbor himself

he cannot, that's impossible

the guest used to be peterson but it's been retconned

the guest does not have shapeshifting powers

i'm not too sure on what time loops truly are. in hello neighbor, time loops are a mix of technology, memory, and psychology: moments tied to MAYAK and related devices can trap people in repeating states, the same events, fears, or situations replay because characters keep being pulled back to a traumatic or pivotal moment, either through controlled environments (like Peterson’s experiments, amusement park setups, or engineered disasters) or through mental fixation and manipulation; the world doesn’t rewind cleanly, but people experience life as if it’s stuck, reliving the same patterns until they break free or collapse, which is why loops only show up around major turning points (saving Nicky, the park incident, Reset Day, Raven Brooks itself), making “time loops” less about clocks and more about being unable to move forward.

[willow depot]

Ngl I'm still confident that MITH isn't MJ

They were quite literally put separately in the excel thing planning HN2 out

If you black-white MITH his attire is far more lighter than MJ's, like noticeably

Let alone the facial features being all wrong

Quentin possibly knowing MITH might come off from the HG tape, Quentin most likely doesn't know MJ because if I remember correctly he was sent to work as MJ's replacement

[dusty trench]

Not really retconned but more of an idea present in the older builds. Since it was never used in actual canon but was an idea at the time.

[dusty trench]

MITH could a a missing journalist or one hiding. Maybe he knew the missing journalist in HN2.

Or MITH was fired by the banner or hunted down by the cult and he is hiding out.

[willow depot]

Probably

[willow depot]

Overall MJ taking MITH's whole spotlight "as him" feels really shady imho that's like making an adaptation of a superhero except you only talk about his (alleged) secret identity and not the superhero part itself

Really hope we get more of both honestly

They're both like sides of a coin, MJ was probably good buddies with people (or um at least Otto I suppose) and he was almost mourned the newspaper

MITH is far more private on the other hand (basing him on the bits of characterization that actually made it into canon) and that's likely what got him this far

Quentin funnily enough would be the neat middle ground

[dusty trench]

I actually love this theory and idea.

[vagrant igloo]

imagine mj just turns out to be Micheal Jackson

[dusty trench]

Maybe Quentin on a way is the middle ground in some metaphorical form. As we know he was sent to raven brooks (or back to raven brooks because of the Beatrix newspaper) because of a missing journalist disappearance. Which can be the Missing Journalist on the missing poster and portrait. And maybe MITH left the picture as hints for Quentin and same with tapes. Trying to give Quentin clues to guide him to maybe helping find Missing Journalist, or get them all together. But it’s a little hard because Quentin got hit in the head and he’s trying to re gain his memories and fix them. But he gets smacked in the head so much and presses out because of fear and shock value, or his clumsiness which gets worse as you play that game, with him accidentally taking a photo of himself blinding him. That, and fears fogging his mind, with multiple people trying to guide him, he doesn’t know who to trust. MITH and MJ giving him hints to guide him, The Cult trying to trick him so they can find Peterson and then kill him, and The Guest trying to guide him for his goal. He has so much pressure on him, finding Aaron, discovering the secret. Having time with his sister Beatrix. He has so much pressure of coming all of these things, but at the same time time do at know who to trust trying to guide him because of his fears of remembering an event traumatizing, such as getting knocked out by Peterson. Watched by the cult, The Guest, MITH. Who isn’t evil in town. He feels like he has to do everything, he puts pressure on himself, but he fonts have time to do everything. Because he is in pain. He had a bandage on his head waking up, he keeps passing out and getting even more clumsy. We see that he gets clumsy and nervous out of fear in the intro with the keys slipping out of his hand because of Peterson coming to him with a shovel. And in AS when he is running away out of the house he doesn’t a goofy run looking like he’s going to slip running so fast the caution tape flies along right on him.

[dusty trench]

Which makes sense because that is a common cartoony horror trope, kind of like Scooby doo. They are investigators, like Quentin. Also the fact that Quentin keeps drinking coffee to stay up because he stays up day and night trying to solve this because others in town doubt him, and he wants to prove himself to be worthy. That’s why he has all of this pressure. No one in town likes him, and tries to give doubt him. So he puts all of the pressure to be the best and be there for everyone. But that, combined with him getting hit and forgetting a lot of stuff, his fears of everything in town, and everyone trying to guide him at once, and his own pressure, it makes sense.

[dusty trench]

The pain

[limber ridge]

Secret neighbor is the kids planning, și ep 4 s1. And it also has the importance of a trăitor, so ep 6 S2. Search and rescue is the plan put into action.

[limber ridge]

The story being well written or no has no importance here. In fact i would agree it's not good writing, but saying there is no Lore is just outright denial

[limber ridge]

Even ignoring colours, their attires are different.

Not by much, but there are a few slight differences.

[limber ridge]

These are what i found abt secret neighbor's canon.

[dusty trench]

Don’t forget to events in the game, the badges and trophies. And even the reason why characters are in game is important like Quentin. And while the maps aren’t canon per se, the environments and what show can have importance metaphorically. Like the slingshot wars brawl map can be connected in a way that it can show stuff, maybe being connected to the abandoned Peterson house badge in game.

[dusty trench]

@limber ridge this message can tie in a little in what I mean. Mainly near the end.

[dusty trench]

@limber ridge And this can a bit. Both messages bringing up multiple things but I believe you might get what I am trying to say with these and how they tie in.

@limber ridge

@limber ridge

[shell gull]

I mean him passing out so much for the end of everyday is obviously because of his concussion, he’s severely injured and he’s still forcing himself to figure out what’s going on in RB and find Aaron. The whole plot of HN2 is centered around how Quentin is so focused on achieving his goals that he doesn’t realise chasing it is leading him to his demise by The Cult.

[dusty trench]

Everything is canon except early alpha builds and betas but developers use ideas from early builds like the Judas painting, ravens, eye’s, golden apples and many more. Hello neighbor Diaries is a game about Nicky after act 3 already getting over his fears. But he is curious and trying to discover what happened to the town and what phoned to everyone in it. His friends, Aaron, Mr. Peterson, etc. . But he dodges his fears since he won’t let fear outsmart and catch him anymore. Hello Engineer is about the inventors club kids in a state contest to have their creation win the awards. They go to the Golden Apple Amusement Park to collect scrap materials for their creation. But Mr. Peterson who has been trespassing the golden apple amusement park property, tries to sabotage the kids so they can fall into his trap. And what the kid don’t realize yet, is thy fell into his trap, and he trapped them in a timeloop, and later on in the end of sandbox creators campaign after the first campaign, they escape. There is way more depth to these games but that’s the basic stuff from those games.

[dusty trench]

Yea. His own pain and fears, make it worse.

[shell gull]

Exactly.

[shell gull]

Everything is basically canon with the exception of very early pieces of media before the franchise had an actual lore and developer builds.

[dusty trench]

Yes. They use ideas from them but at the time are just ideas. Like Peterson being Guest. But that means something different now since he isn’t Guest.

[shell gull]

Early pieces of media like the guidebook which was very outdated and doesn’t make sense anymore and other niche things.

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[dusty trench]

@daring saddle and this can tie into your question on what the neighbor guest stuff means. And yes, they are very long.

[tawny dock]

i think theodore peterson is chicken jokey

[tawny dock]

lol

[dusty trench]

From DJMagones community post

Ytuber

[tawny dock]

nice post

[dusty trench]

Literally peak

[tawny dock]

but i think theodore masters peterson is engineer gaming

https://tenor.com/view/hightower-tf2-engineer-tf2based-gif-9989663092064724232

[dusty trench]

Tf2

[tawny dock]

yeah

[dusty trench]

Helllo engineer

That means

Tf2 is canon

To hello nibor

[tawny dock]

yeah

lol

[dusty trench]

lol

[tawny dock]

you are so funny dude

[dusty trench]

I know

[tawny dock]

lol

[dusty trench]

You too

[tawny dock]

thank ya

[dusty trench]

Your welcome

[tawny dock]

: D

[dusty trench]

The amount of YouTube channel’s called hello engineer is insane 💀

[tawny dock]

cuz engineer gaming is insane .d

yeah that wasnt funny

[dusty trench]

I was just afk for a bit 😭✌️💀🥀

[tawny dock]

okkay

[dusty trench]

💀

But I am bout to get offline tho

Lowkey tired

[tawny dock]

sad for me

but okay

i need to go to play tf2 rn so im going

[dusty trench]

Alright

So long

[tawny dock]

im joining discord with vpn cuz its banned in there, ol

lol*

[dusty trench]

lol 😂

[tawny dock]

the persons in discord just bad i mean a lot of them but they just decided to ban it, that was funny

i mean turkey btw and see ya later dude

[dusty trench]

Turkey

See ya later ✌️

[little lodge]

What is MITH hired to investigate though?

[willow depot]

Hard to say if the tapes are all his

I think it'd be a nice plot if he was a private investigator hired by Lucy Yi's parents since that would allow to kind of bring back his amusement park relevance

[marsh idol]

it has no lore.

[marsh idol]

i see

[wanton roost]

the missing children

in one of the alpha/devlog videos he's reading a newspapers on a bench

[limber ridge]

Right...

[limber ridge]

And Since the Lucy incident was caused by luck devices, which are somehow connected to mayak, his objective of finding mayak can be brought back too.

[willow depot]

Edwin isn't behind the animatronics, Fazbear collaborated with him but since Edwin was a douche to his factory workers William Afton bribed them to jump ship

Edwin's prototypes were never recovered so Henry had to build the animatronics, William's dead, Andrew is still Schrödinger's cat when it comes to whether he's canon or not, rejoice

Scott said that the story moved away from what was in the box and that what was in it wasn't even conceptualized

Nobody figured FNAF 4 out (No, dream theory wasn't canon. No, Scott didn't change the story because we figured it out, that's dumb) so that's probably why

I see your point however

[wanton roost]

edwin had them suits into the abyss

[marsh idol]

i never said he was behind all the animatronics. his prototypes like Chica was what Afton took from him

[marsh idol]

yes he originally had one in mind but it changed over time since nobody could figure it out so it was left forgotten.

this is just a move of neglect towards the vox

[marsh idol]

he didn’t change anything. he changed some bits which was obvious but the story stayed the same until security breach where his control over the story was lost and Steelwool had to figure something out on their own

they eventually are trying to get back on track, but some pieces of Scott’s story like originally having Afton still be alive again even after two of his supposed permanent deaths (tortured in a coma for all of eternity and being drowned by the puppet) become Glitchtrap were left behind as simply wrong theories

[willow depot]

We don't know whether William would be Glitchtrap in SB or not

For all we know he could mean him lying dead in the corner of the burnt pizzeria when he mentions his original role

[marsh idol]

we do, there is evidence pointing towards M1 being glitchtrap and afton being glitchtrap

Scott outright stated he was very fond with the idea of AI possession

yet in the end it seems more like the mimic is the main villain, which they are. M1 being the digital one and M2 being the physical one

[willow depot]

I really doubt Afton would be possessing M1 which has Fiona's personality without there being some split control or something of the sort, granted SB's story got screwed but like

[daring saddle]

because Steel Wool was thinking Glitchtrap was Afton

cuz Steel Wool didnt know the lore

[willow depot]

she didn't even exist in tales from the pizzaplex

[daring saddle]

and this is tales only story

[wanton roost]

I feel like glitchtrap is mimic

[daring saddle]

M1 is MXES from RUIN

M2 is Glitchtrap, Helpi, Burntrap, Burnt Mimic (from Tales and Ruin)

[wanton roost]

because of dbd for some reason

[willow depot]

yuh

I mean when the entity itself isn't calling the anomaly Afton what do you think it means for its identity

wheeze

[daring saddle]

M2 becames Glitchtrap cuz he learned the Fazbear History and started to imitate Afton

[wanton roost]

I think m2 is David as well and in secret of the mimic we got the white tiger standing like glitchtrap from dbd and he can teleport just like glitchtrap jumpscsring us when interacting with his skin a while

there's even sounds of him

that sound very not familiar to aftons voice

[marsh idol]

no he is not possessing M1

he is possessing the Glitchtrap file that was thought not to be M1

Glitchtrap was Afton, NOT M1

M1 is now Glitchtrap

[marsh idol]

glitchtrap IS the mimic

[daring saddle]

M1 is not glitchtrap my dude

it is M2

[marsh idol]

it's the mimic none the less

[daring saddle]

also, why are we talking about fnaf lore in the hello neighbor lore chat lmao

[marsh idol]

was this not Scott's thinking

he thought glitchtrap was afton, steel wool then changed this to the mimic

[daring saddle]

No

Scott created the Mimic story

but he didnt tell anyone

he just tell the devs what to put in the game

[marsh idol]

doesn't mean it was intended to be glitchtrap

[daring saddle]

not the lore

anything

[marsh idol]

he told dawko in his 2nd interview about how he liked the idea of AI possession

meaning glitchtrap was originally Afton before steel wool was the one who messed it up

then it became the mimic

the mimic still existed obviously

not in the lines with glitchtrap

[daring saddle]

Isnt this about Vanny?

[marsh idol]

no

[daring saddle]

Vanny got possessed by a IA

[marsh idol]

possessing the AI

not an AI possessing you

[daring saddle]

[wanton roost]

basically Scott told them ideas about the fnaf lore not everything he wanted

He thought they'd make it something he wants or smth else that's really good

[ripe berry]

how is this chat turning into FNaF stuff?

anyways

[scarlet sandal]

Everywhere I go.. I see his face

[wanton roost]

if we only got a trailer or new lore stuff

[marsh idol]

we’ll need to move on soon

but yea he told them what to put into the game

not the full story which is why security breach is all over the place

so steelwool made stuff up

now let’s go back to hello neighbor

[daring saddle]

About it

Was The Guest (Entity) ever teased to appear in the Animated Series or his appearance in the series are the cultists?

[marsh idol]

he was said to have already appeared in the animated series

in a different appearance

only speculations revolve around what he truly looked like

we have season 3 to find out

[limber ridge]

Well Alex said he has voicelines, but Alex also referenced the cultists as the guest back when we didn't know they weren't him. Also what techologic said

[limber ridge]

Oh Alex also said he has his own episode.

[daring saddle]

Understood

[scarlet sandal]

I think one of the creators said that the HN show is going to show us the origins of the Guest

[marsh idol]

season 3 is going to show us how the guest came to be

[scarlet sandal]

Cool

[dusty trench]

He could’ve been a previous journalist, but now a private investigator. Or just a private investigator.

[wanton roost]

he could probably be one of or two of those crows in s2 ep1 there's a crowface standing with his beak open and none of the cultists had their beaks opened he even disappears and another thing Is the bird with red eyes which is the guest in his bird form very supernatural....

[dusty trench]

Hmmm

[dusty trench]

Ohhhh

I like this theory

Btw referring to the messages I replied to right above this 👆

MITH being hired by Lucy’s parents theory because it brings his goal of finding Mayak into the canon lore.

[marsh idol]

theres no supernatural

[wanton roost]

I know

I was being sarcastic

and tbh everything about the guest should be supernatural but no he isn't

[dusty trench]

Then again, we still don’t know what that means yet. Sure it can mean his identity reveal which most of us think. But it can also mean how his character comes to be like how he plays a role in the story. Like his goal, motives, and we see how rages and goes fully rage like in HN2. Learn what makes him tick. Maybe even learn the festival or have reference of it to show more of his character motives. It might not be identity revealed in S3, but it gives us hints enough for us to speculate, especially since he is apparently already in the show, we just don’t know who yet. Maybe reveal it in the movie and HN3. Or they could just reveal his identity fully instead of a kind of origin. And since the park is open, they can talk about the origin of the festival before revealing The Guest full character and his motives later on, since the amusement park in HE has a guest statue in the middle like the festival. And in the end it can reveal the real Guest. And maybe the origin of his character can be like how he becomes mad, or why he hates the cult without revealing his identity. Or they could reveal his identity who knows. We’ll just have to wait and see.

[marsh idol]

i would hope this is the case

we will have to wait

just release WTRB already, literally 90% of the shows i’m watching are ending

[dusty trench]

Literally finished stranger things today

I need HN WTRB

[marsh idol]

finale made me want to cause a Mya 🫩

i saw

[near cosmos]

Same

[marsh idol]

it’s not horrible yes

but

just disappointing

[dusty trench]

Very

[marsh idol]

like the finale being decent is not what you want it to end off as

like sure, other episodes can be bad but if the finale is not keeping me on the edge of my seat

i’m not changing my expression

they had ONE good twist which was Hopper thinking he shot Eleven

[dusty trench]

And something even worse is the new stranger things spin off tales from 85 takes place in between s2 and 3 and has new monsters and characters and is apparently canon.

[marsh idol]

are we serious

[dusty trench]

Yea they released a reveal trailer

[marsh idol]

i thought stranger things could redeem itself and surpass a show i thought was spectacular which was Welcome to Derry

but didnt even scratch the surface

[dusty trench]

I need to watch that still

[marsh idol]

you should
the first episode keeps you wondering near the end

the first 4 episode is all about getting to learn about the characters

and know how the show goes

[dusty trench]

Yea I will

[cold gull]

When HN:WtRB S3

🥺

[limber ridge]

"came to be" means his origin. So at least that, we should expect. And of course, origin should also include identity.

[dusty trench]

I just don’t know how it will revealed. I made an idea for how everything else can fit within 5 episodes. But then again we don’t know how long episodes will be this season, so it could work. I just don’t know how it will be revealed, it feels like, not real ya know.

Especially for it to be revealed in AS. Maybe HN3 can tell a lot of lore from the books and AS in the newspapers and other stuff around the map, which makes sense for that game.

Like newspaper’s talking about events that happened in that view of the story. Adding onto the message, like what if a news apart talks about Mr. Peterson escaping and Trinity found in cell. And it talks about incidents at the park like another tragedy that is hinted to happen in season 3. Or talk about the disappearance for Mr. Murtaugh. And they can have vhs tapes or film reels, and sound tapes in the game that go over events and stuff told in AS and the movie. Like a sound tape where you hear Mr. Murtaugh death, and a newspaper saying his disappearance overnight or sum. This would be a good way in adding all that lore into the games so it can make sense, and that makes way more sense for HN3 to do.

[limber ridge]

If it isn't a problem, could You reveal your idea for how it can all fit or did You already?

[dusty trench]

@limber ridge

@limber ridge

[scarlet sandal]

I think there’s going to be more seasons afterwards because there’s no way they can answer everything in 5 episodes , especially when you factor in mind that the original idea was that it would be 1 season with 18 episodes

Either that or they just leave some things unanswered which is also pretty likely

[dusty trench]

I think things will be left unanswered but answered in the movie and HN3.

[dusty trench]

@scarlet sandal I believe this can add on

[scarlet sandal]

Yo why’d u delete that I was reading that 😭

Oh nvm u just moved it

[dusty trench]

Mb 😭

💀

lol

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah I hope they talk more about Mr. Murtaugh and don’t just ignore it

Lowkey feels like only Ivan cared

[dusty trench]

Yea, we gotta get that movie cameo

And game cameo in lore easter eggs at least

[dusty trench]

I 100% agree with this

It makes sense since the show is small and they have limited time to do stuff. You ca tell from kids faces that they cared and Enzo checking on Ivan. And also it’s mostly that Ivan seen it happen which makes sense. Also that they have limits.

And don’t have enough of like the budget to add more scenes that explore characters in a deeper way. So I guess that’s why we gettin the movie, which will hopefully expand on a good way.

And be a good movie

[dusty trench]

Also I don’t think it’s going to answer everything, atleast not in a straight forward way. Since they have implied before that may of the answers have been in our face the whole time but not realized it yet or sum. That’s cause there is so much metaphorical stuff in the way they tell the story, and even the environments because HN has a lot of environmental storytelling and symbolic metaphors that I feel can tie to the lore and other themes in the hello neighbor universe. Even I feel like HND shouldn’t have been a mobile game only, and instead a full HN1 expansion to add the books. Or a separate game that’s on multiple devices instead of just mobile so they can get the books lore out there more. Like even games like HN1 and H&S tell a story that hints at bigger things like a cult like thing being done or the town being weird in general. H&S has really good environmental metaphorical story telling that represents the story in such a good way. Even games like S&R and HE do a good job at the storytelling in environment, and Easter eggs to. Spin off lol SN can tie in too like how it gives a little expansion of stories told in the mainline games and spin off material that’s important to add a little bonus content to the game. And the books and AS five into the lore but while being super metaphorical like the Agnes, so it in a way that fits a book to tv show so it’s actually good. By dropping specific character names that give a little town with the roles and expanding on the world of HN in different ways that fit a tv show and a book. And the games have later on started to be more specific on characters mainly in descriptions or secret websites that the games or game pages give links to (except RBBArchives technically even tho that is like an expansion do HN2 isn’t from the game specifically itself but it still counts technically since it’s on HN2 site). Or even showing names to characters in either a jumbled up way or complete English.

And you still ca get a good story out of the game’s that makes sense. And if you want to dive deeper can get more detail by analyzing the games deeper and figuring out hints that tie to secret website links and other stuff tied to the game. And play spin offs like SN which have descriptions of many stuff in HN like more character names. And even read the description of the games and then other stuff by the creators and discover the books and the series. Which there you can look at the HN story in a way that fits a book and tv show by maiming some specific characters in universe and other fun facts, just boring the story in a different way. That’s where I bring up HND which I feel like shouldn’t have been the way it was. HND should’ve been an HN1 expansion on all platforms. Not starting off as a limited time HN1 events just to tease a mobil exclusive game with lore. I thought it was going to be like what HE was where it was a deal that at launch it would be stadia exclusive for a limited time but then he added to all platforms. And before I continue on HND, I want to talk about HE and even S&R. Because HE we know has been developed for a while but also S&R. I meant to bring this up earlier when I mentioned these games but I feel like just like HE was supposed to S&R was also supposed to release before HN2. But because of the many many stuff that happened in the time period it didn’t happened for S&R but technically HE. But then stadia shut down and they had to re port the game and even they were doing an update where they re did all of the assets to be cleaner, but it ended up being re released after HN2. And that’s also part of the reason why HE and S&R tie to HN2 so much be like not just spin off’s that were just like SN. But more like important main title spin off’s. Like not quite a big main title but not a full on side game. Like a hint at the main games, kinda like Bendy The Cage (BTW I cants wait for that game monsters look, EPIC).

[dusty trench]

Like H&S a main title prequel and Nicky trilogy expand on the lore of HN1 but it’s not a problem that they are separate. But both hint at the HN2 era. Especially H&S since Nicky trilogy was really about HN1 and H&S takes place before and really shows you that there is a bigger picture. The cult. And then Aaron trilogy was created Whig in a way it expands on H&S but in Aaron’s perspective but really hints at HN2 more, especially the fact that it is Aaron’s perspective. And S&R hints at the Aaron trilogy a ton with the cult reference, and even time stuff which Norman in the book view is a specific character revealed in that view to hint at that. Then GN1 got released afterwards which actually makes sense to me since HN2 was supposed to expand a ton more on Peterson’s past like his childhood, his parents, and the other stuff like Guest so it makes sense even if it was released afterwards Aaron trilogy. And then we got GN2 which ties to HN2, but also HE of we pay attention to time period is really close. And then Reset Day got released which, Reset Day you could tell ties to HN2 in a way aswell but more of He but why I say HN2 is because HE also ties to HN2 and HN2 was going to bring up a ton more on Mayak and other sci fi stuff by telling the cult, ten technology etc. . So it makes sense even tho Reste Day takes place way later, it like an after math of sorts, and also I fell supposed to be the legacy of characters like Enzo has kids, Maritza’s an adult, Piper an Delia are related to Ms. Tillman, and even them learning about the past. In a way we’re learning how characters are dong afterwards in the future, like a sequel. Which we know HN2 had many plans to take place in the future while having stuff of the past like HN1 but never got implemented (or atleast implemented correctly). In a way now they can use Reset Day and when ever they finding that trilogy to hint at HN3, since even during the HN1 and H&S era they hinted at the cult and a bigger picture.

Later on expanding on them so set up a sequel. And that’s where I come back to HND, because hearing all of that makes HND seem out of place. But during this period they also wanted to give closure on stuff in the past and other characters, think wher bad blood takes place, the fat that we were going to learn more on Peterson’s childhood, his parents, and even Reset Day. But for this they decided to make HND, full name Hello Neighbor Nicky’s Diaries, a mobile exclusive HN1 limited time event to tease the MOBILE EXCLUSIVE GAME, that puts the specifics of the book lore of Nicky’s perspective, in game form. See the issue. Sure you get a nice story from other games alone. But having all of that lore that even tho it’s basically confirmed in ways that the other games do it, it’s still nice to put that lore out there more. Like HNND should’ve been a HN1 expansion that on all platforms to tell the story in Nicky’s perspective. And maybe they can do something like HNAD, Hello Neighbor Aaron’s Diaries, an expansion on H&S or S&R that gives specifics from the Aaron trilogy, character slick Norman, and giving the character designs like they did with Ms. Tillman in HNND (putting that in H&S makes more sense or maybe they could’ve done it with HN2 as a free expansion pack which also makes sense but yea). And it can tell be Aaron during Season 2 of AS looking back on the past and it’s in his perspective. Which having it be during Season 2 of AS makes sense timeline wise if they do this because we have HN2. And maybe game pay can be him actually in game events of th Aaron trilogy and eve his time in the basement can be shown aswell with Nicky. And like how Nicky can learn stuff of Aaron trilogy in his perspective in HNND, Aaron can learn some of Nicky trilogy like Waking Nightmare and Buried Secrets. And Aaron can eve go over events of AS and he could’ve bee watching the rescue squad in Season 2, maybe even in Season 3. And HE maybe can have all 6 of the rescue squad.

[dusty trench]

And having all 6 members makes since in one of the promotional arts for HE has Delroy. Or in an update they ca add Easter eggs like if you switch to one character you see Easter eggs of there perspective and switching to another you see Easter eggs of there view. Not S&R where they’re all of different location but you get what I mean. Or they could add npc’s of different characters at different checkpoints in HE sandbox, and you ca switch to the to do quest, mission and stuff. And even have each character have there own mission required for them and understanding there story. Even adding different ability’s for each characters like in S&R. And in the first campaign they ca have some mission your a certain character, or you have another character to help another do one thing. But maybe not switching to different characters in the middle of a level or mission like S&R, but instead ask them to do a task, and even add an emote wheel to interact with NPC versions of characters to play as like in S&R when you wave, in there’s a wheel to wave or you ca control the hand to do many different actions like in S&R except it’s not VR. And even in S&R we get hints of characters perspective when switching to them I bit too like when as Maritza before getting kidnapped she sees a picture of Mya and a picture of her with Lucy and Mya and even the golden apple bracelet. And the fact that in AS it has Maritza and Enzo’s mom. Maybe in AS season 3 they can have a newspaper about there Mom being dead, or a note about it by there dad, and bring in the fact there dad is a detective. And a newspaper about Lucy flying off the rotten core roller coaster, stuff to clear up season 2. Also in HE and S&R they can add a newspaper and all that stuff too in a way that fits those game’s. Because notice how each season of AS gets more accurate to what the books and games tell in a way. Revealing lore of what’s actually going on. Like the kid are realizing and waking up from there fears.

Bro even when I type I get spam warning

[eager island]

dude

they almost went bankrupt just to pay for 18 episodes

they aint getting more episodes

[scarlet sandal]

Source?

[daring saddle]

Come to me my WTRB 30 minutes each 5 Episodes 🗣️

[eager island]

https://naavik.co/digest/tinybuild-faces-problems/

[dusty trench]

All adding onto this, since HNND is a game already, they can promote it in HN1 as like a ultimate HN1 game with expanded version of that gameplay, since they already call it the ultimate HN1 game game and put it in the same category as HN1. And even being back that old Nicky Diary expansion to HN1 and put it on all platforms same with HNND. Or they can just let it be Hello Neighbor Diaries (what everyone calls it and is the cover name but not the store name so they can change the store name to that). And make it have Nicky’s story, and Aaron’s story. With one being being HNND, other HNAD. And they can promote it in every HN game and port it to all platforms as an expansion game to the lore. And it expands not only on all games lore, but even the Nicky HN1 expansion that they could bring back in this concept, and on an Aaron expansion they could add to like S&R or sum (not HN2 even tho it should be there but there never updating that game again, maybe in 2030 after the movie they make a HN2 remake that you get for free if you have HN2 since it’s just a more polished version of HN2 with patch 10 lol never happening).

[scarlet sandal]

Where does it mention that the show was the main problem or even a minor problem regarding this

[dusty trench]

Probably won’t be 30 mins but that would be cool.

I hope that tho.

[eager island]

has your brain neurons not developed?

what did they buy between 2021-2022 instead of a 18 animated episodes

[scarlet sandal]

Sorry bro if my messages came across as confrontational, it’s cus we are texting so we can’t read the tone but I was just asking questions

[eager island]

yeah yeah my bad

[scarlet sandal]

Lowkey I thought maybe the show was like a Ninjago type of deal where it makes profits based off people seeing the show and then buying the product

But it makes sense that they would need ad revenue as well since animation is mad expensive

[eager island]

they looked for an source for 2 years (2019-2021) but no one fund them and they used their own budgets

and since it didnt generate income, it just resulted in a loss

the pilot episode was for looking networks

[scarlet sandal]

Dang, well I’m happy they did it cus it brought a lot of fans back to Hello Neighbor

Like me

[scarlet sandal]

No wonder nobody funded them, the pilot was not good 😭

[dusty trench]

Adding I to this you can switch characters in HE only on man menus and when you aren’t in a mission or level in sandbox or the levels. And before a level starts, it will give you a chance to pick a character or sum in certain levels. But in sand box certain levels require different characters. And even another cool feature to add is wearing your Secret Neighbor skins in HE. Like in the lobby there is a locker room where you can switch skins and like how you ca earn SN skins through HND, you can do the same in HE. And if you have HE, you can wear the engineer skins in SN. And in SN & HE you can have customizable characters from the ground up like early SN alphas. And at the top it says your class on SN with an icon even if your are one of the cast. And even in HE too. And in HE you can get perks. But all of this can be in a separate game thing attached to HE (which I’ll explain later) you’ll have to buy, but if you have SN and have HE you can get it free. Or they can make it a separate game to inside of SN if possible. And even, they can make a vr port of SN and HE. Now I know that sounds crazy, but hear me. It can work similar to S&R. But instead you only click to pick stuff up, and not almost literal like S&R. And it works like SN and HE do, but in vr and has some stuff to make it work good. Like And when your falling like in S&R, it goes black screen for a bit so like in S&R wont give you motion sickness…. And for HE your in first person since vr. But, when driving, you have as noticable screen at the top right that follows you that the whole time that shows the back of you car and it functions good. And you can look at it when you’re stuck. And the first person angle can be like far out so you ca still se what you doing, or it can be third person but you look around as of you are first person while driving so you can see the car. And for this to work, you’ll have to go to the menu while driving to switch to 1st person or not by just clicking the button on menu.

[dusty trench]

And it’s not in settings so you don’t need to go all the way back there.

[dusty trench]

And the fact that Trinity is new to town but they still use the fact from the books that she is the first to trust Nicky the most out of that group (other than Aaron who isn’t friends with them anymore). And maybe his Ivan is only at the tree house but in the credits shows that he went back to the house to see if his friends are alright since he couldn’t get in contact so with them so it shows a sign of bracket since he is afraid of Peterson, and in AS he doesn’t want to talk about his experience with Peterson because he is scared of him and doesn’t want to be apart of that stuff so he tries to neglect going there. And Delroy in AS who talks about how he’s never going to get caught, but then he is the first one. And Finch we’ll see in season 3 lol, and maybe even tie it to stuff we learn in season 1 and 2. But point is, updating both HE and S&R, it can have stuff and specifics from the books and AS, like a newspaper taking about Mr. Murtaugh disappearing over night on Ivan’s perspective in HE. Or kids can find it in S&R too. Or in HE a picture of Mr, Murtaugh, or even the watermelon head, and you can slice it with the machine Ivan had which is also the machine Abenante used to kill him. Or a picture of the watermelon getting destroyed, and a drawing around it confirming a cultist specifically there principal killed him. And also, in every game like how you could in HN2 HE and SN, you can watch AS on certain tv’s. and in SN they can add huh maps with different stuff to do and quest, even lore secrets. Kind of like in SN Roblox where other players go in too, and HE can have this in the lobby, and maybe even a festival that happens after a while in HE and SN like how after a while the brawls are coded to automatically change after a few days in SN. Which is where I bring up, you should be able to switch between different brawls in SN. And even earn XP from brawl modes, coins, and tickets. And even other cosmetic stuff.

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah I think I saw someone else say this but you should seriously consider writing a book or something

If you haven’t already

[dusty trench]

I haven’t but maybe one day

[dusty trench]

And on SN and HE they can have a seasonal ranking system in updates that after a while updates with different ranks, while you can use the other badges on your name. Eve in rounds can have the badges and ranks next to your name. After each season you level for the season resets, and you have to get back up. And in SN and HE, you can make the game look like HN1 style or HN2 style of the alphas or full game (of only HN2 since HN1 alpha style isn’t style since it sucks and is only present in concept art and HN1 is closest to the style they wanted for that game which was always going to be cartoony with sense of eeriness and some realism, not realistic) go back to different eras of SN and HE. And even Make HE look like old HE and HN1. His to make more looks in the game and have everyone play in an environment they like the most. And that mixed with also being able to play as you own custom character (that you can save character slots and skins) gives much more creativity and freedom to the games. And like SN, has a map editor in HE. Like you can create your own HE level. And even S&R can have a creative editor mode to create your own obstacles, and even wear HE and SN skins in S&R and it appears on the NPC versions of the characters. Even HND can have a creative map editor mode to create your own house. And even a multiplayer mode where one player tries to break into the house to either steal or break in the basement, and there’s a protector of the house and the protector can also intrude your house. They can have robots and stuff to gaurd the house if you have enough recorded to craft it like gears, tape, and they can add brick and metal and have a table where is you have enough resources can create an item out of the list of item available depending on how much recourses you have. You ca have the drone bots that shoot a laser beam at you, mannequin bots, lawn-o-trons, cameras, shark-o-trons. And HND can have a smaller version of multiplayer.

[dusty trench]

(Forgot to add this) And Trinity, who is trying to lead the group, only to lead them to experiencing traumatic events, and getting trapped by there fears. Which we see in S&R.

[dusty trench]

But what if there was a separate game for that in the future when they get enough resources.

With a bigger better expanded version of that gameplay.

This

This

This

And maybe in SN make the SN classes we have rn called characters, an add classes you can use for each characters. Now what do I mean. I menalike an explorer or sheriff for example, and you get chosen with those classes randomly each round and you can pick a character like usual. These would benefit your character whether you’re a secret neighbor or not. And maybe even have, different traitors. A cultist class, or someone working with the secret neighbor, or someone trying to get all the keys for themselves to break into his to steal valuables. It’s hard to explain rn but I might elaborate on it in the future.

[dusty trench]

And add a radio in every game like when building in HE can listen to music. Or in SN can play it in the menu or sum. And in S&R when you in the tree house. HN2 in news station. HN1 & HND in house, an in safe parts of basement in HND and in the entrance of basement in HN1 and for act 2 in basement and by the based exit (even tho you can get caught who cares). H&S in the room, by the door, on high places.

Or like a HN1 and H&S remake ya know

Oh and I should remove HN2 but maybe for a remake of that game if ever.

[wanton roost]

Do I see my old account on the bottom

[limber ridge]

What is up with the den?

[wind wagon]

You mean the den you crash into in hn2 that isnt there in hn1?

[limber ridge]

No, this scrapped location from hello guest i think it was?

[wind wagon]

Lemme search that up

Yeah i dunno what your talking about

[limber ridge]

Ppl have like brought it up in this server before. I unfortunately can't send images but You could maybe search it up on the search bar for this channel.

Or i could message you

[ripe berry]

Most like just another name for the Mill
which people also applied to a cut location from one of the HN2 Teaser Videos

[limber ridge]

Ok thx

[limber ridge]

Which cut location?

[ripe berry]

this one from one of the Patch 9 Teasers

[limber ridge]

Ooh. Intreresting.

[ripe berry]

also commonly dubbed the Crowman Shelter due to an unused music track that was found in the files at some point

[limber ridge]

Oh I've Heard of it

[ripe berry]

Making a HN Theories wiki (Only hosted on fandom because I don't think Wiki.GG would allow for a wiki like this to be made on it)
https://hello-neighbor-theories.fandom.com/wiki/Hello_Neighbor_Theories_Wiki
Only has a few pages, most of which are completely placeholder, but all wikis start from somewhere.

[tiny verge]

where can I find it

I don't think I found anything unused in the files during my extracting, I don't think atleast

wait is this Crowman Shelter..?

[little lodge]

So in lore does Nicky ever get caught by Mr Peterson in HN1?

Because if so how does he repair his windows EVERY SINGLE TIME?

Nicky gets caught in Act 1's intro no matter what after Peterson jumps out the window and catches him, causing it to be instantly repaired, but how?

Such a small insignificant part of continuity that's annoyed me since way back when the game was new.

[dark flax]

Yes, but it’s when he’s in the basement. The only time when Peterson like for real catches him is during that point at the end of act 1

[little lodge]

Yeah fair enough.

I can easily rule out fall deaths as being canon because well, Nicky would die canonically, but being caught and everything being magically repaired is more vague.

[dark flax]

Well the respawning is just a game mechanic obviously, especially after dying from fall damage, but as for when Peterson catches you… I always like to think he just kicks you out similar to how he did it in alpha 2 of the first game

As for the whole window thing, I used to question it a lot especially when I was younger, but now I don’t mind it

[little lodge]

Oh yeah, I'm not bothered about that happening when he's caught you during normal gameplay as that doesn't happen canonically, but it's just the fact they had to have Nicky caught in the intro by Peterson JUMPING THROUGH A WINDOW, and it being completely repaired after Nicky gets up from being kicked out of the house.

[ripe berry]

I'd say no
in Book 3 he's never shown getting caught

[little lodge]

Like he's the greatest amusement park inventor in the world, but surely he can't replace a window that quickly. 😭

[little lodge]

Yeah I should've seen that in hindsight considering I've read that.

Ah well.

[ripe berry]

even in the one case where he WAS caught (the Intro), Book 3 makes that happen a different day from the rest of Act 1

[ripe berry]

(the day before, giving Ted more time to fix the window)

[little lodge]

Speaking about Book 3 and Act 1 how come the perspective is different if they're both recalled by Nicky at similar times (living in the apartment and Diaries)?

[ripe berry]

Act 1 is not a recalled memory
iirc Nikita said Act 1 is real

[little lodge]

Oh right, I guess that works.

Unless that was changed, that statement was before Book 3 after all.

[ripe berry]

although at the same time idk if Perspectives is completely correct because of https://docs.google.com/document/d/15H6d6o9x9KPWlWkfTHauWoY91CS6ow3Ay49r169X7NY/edit?tab=t.0

[little lodge]

Yeah Stage Play Theory is interesting.

Is it correct to say most of it is true except for Error World and Peterson being aware they're all in a game?

[dark flax]

True, however I was only going about how the game shows it.

[ripe berry]

yeah that bit is just way too meta for current HN lore

[little lodge]

And is the red key talking about the one Nicky unlocks in Act 1, or the one Aaron is helped with by the Guest in S&R? Because I saw a while back a theory saying Norman got the prophecy the wrong way round with the Guest, due to him also tying into time loops, the cult, devices and so on.

[dark flax]

Ik this is a bit off topic, but there’s only been one thing that confused me… why in each nightmare/lore sequences in acts 1 and 2 we play as adult Nicky? To me it just never made any sense at all.

[little lodge]

I'm pretty sure those are Nicky remembering Peterson's backstory around the same time as Act 2 and Act 3 before he moves out of his apartment.

[dark flax]

Ohhhh, okay if that’s the case that makes much more sense.

[little lodge]

Yeah confused me for a while but makes sense in context.

[ripe berry]

unclear because there's like 3 instances where the Red Key is important
HN1, HN2, and HNVR
but I'd say at the time they didn't know HN2 would use the Red Key, and HNVR didn't exist, so it's most likely about Act 1

[little lodge]

Makes sense, I think it was supposed to add extra fuel to the time loop inconsistency theory with things like predictions being inaccurate and slight changes to different iterations, but it's not certain whether that or perspective are more reliable. Or both?

[ripe berry]

I'd say a mix of both

after all Perspectives and Time Loop stuff don't directly contradict each other
some things can be due to time loops, some due to character perspectives

[little lodge]

Yeah nothing seems to be wrong with that.

Lol sometimes I can't believe once this used to just be about a family man who lost everything causing a curious kid to get lifelong PTSD, and now it's this.

For better or for worse it's more interesting now anyway.

[little lodge]

Talking about strictly HN1 and HNHS times here.

[dark flax]

I sometimes can’t believe it either lol

[dark flax]

So if act 2 being a memory but slightly altered due to Nicky’s mind at the time, does that explain why the act 2 version of the house is like never present at all again? Like for example, S&E, HN 2, or even the series even though they did change a lot of stuff lore-wise.

[little lodge]

And then before that was the satanic/coma plot, tbh I was never a big fan of that.

[dark flax]

Me neither, it was so common for indie horror at the time too like satanic stuff yk

[ripe berry]

yeah

the Series is also likely a memory of some kind
it has Phones in 1996
and the Act 3 house is "real" in the AS

[little lodge]

I kinda liked the father/son plot but my favourite was and always has been controversially the family plot. The story in HN1 full game was never the problem, it was the gameplay and tone.

[dark flax]

Yeah

[dark flax]

I never minded the gameplay tbh, yeah it’s buggy and it was confusing for some people when it first dropped but eh it’s fine by me

[ripe berry]

yet at the same exact time provides more evidence for the time loop theory because Nicky's eyes are Blue and turn Brown in WtRB after Ted kidnaps him
but HND shows a photo of Nicky with Brown Eyes that objectively was taken before Nicky gets kidnapped by Ted
it's such a random detail to change with the AS that it feels like a lore implication

[little lodge]

I guess I mean more like the AI, and making the puzzles a bit less brain melting, more similar to how they were in the Alpha days.

[little lodge]

Definitely an overhated game at the time though.

[dark flax]

Wasn’t the eye color change in WtRB due to trauma? Either way I can see how it correlates to the Time Loop theory with HND

[dark flax]

I can’t disagree with that, though I always thought some people were a bit too hard on it

[ripe berry]

same with randomly making Ms. Esposito (Enzo and Maritza's mom) alive in the AS when it was established she's dead in the books

[little lodge]

If we're going under Time Loop explanation, when would it happen and what would it cause. The best way I can describe it is in Stage Play Theory, which states HN1 Act 1 happens, Time Loops happen, and then Book 3 happens via a split between Act 1 Intro and Act 1 Gameplay. So like, what would be the equivalent for that for the various inconsistencies between books and AS?

[wanton roost]

And she will die again...

[little lodge]

I know that's a handful lol and hard to keep track of.

But the Time Loops are so interesting yet vague unfortunately.

[dark flax]

I try my best to keep track with the time loop stuff, I understand it almost clearly but the more I think about stuff like this the more confusing it gets </3

[ripe berry]

y'know what
let's say Act 1 has retroactively become a memory of Nicky's rq because that's the only way I can make things work properly here

[wanton roost]

the loop probably breaks in hn3

[little lodge]

Average post-Aaron Trilogy lore experience:

[dark flax]

Real

[wanton roost]

since its abandoned and guest looks different and mayak is probably destroyed we don't know

[little lodge]

Yeah that seems to be where it's headed.

[dark flax]

I agree with that too

[wanton roost]

and for some reason i think the town is trying to redo the loop

because of the festival

[little lodge]

Yeah idk, it seems to be quite shady with the cult during RD times.

And HN3 is post-RD.

[ripe berry]

Pre-loop formation: Secret of Bosco Bay
Loop 1:
HNHS -> AS Ep. 1-3 (actual events) -> As Ep. 4 (actual events) + HN1 Act 1 (actual events) -> AS Ep. 5 -> HNVR -> AS Ep. 6 (actual events) + HN1 Act 2 (actual events) -> AS Season 2 (actual events) -> HN2 DLCs + HN2 Basegame + AS Season 3 (actual events) -> HE -> Layout V2 and HN2 Patch 9 -> HE (Sandbox) -> whatever SN is -> AS (being recalled by Trinity) -> HN1 (in-game)
Loop (2...? 3...? whatever):
Books 4-6 -> Book 1-3 -> equivalent to HNVR -> equivalent to HN2 -> Raven Brooks Disaster -> equivalent to HN1 Act 3 -> HND -> Reset Day (technically RD has it's own loop but I don't wanna list it separately)
Post-loop: HN3

[wanton roost]

I think the loop started way back in Roger petersons day and I don't think we know how the cult started there

But Roger and his wife I think we're missing

[dark flax]

And Peterson is against it right? Apologies, I haven’t dug too much into HN 3 lore-wise

[little lodge]

Raven Man myth has definitely existed for a LONG time.

[wanton roost]

yes because this whole thing killed his family

[little lodge]

Possibly longer than Raven Brooks itself.

[wanton roost]

Yeah this makes sense

[little lodge]

Wow that's pretty cool.

[dark flax]

Dang.

[little lodge]

So, in said timeline who causes loop cycle initally?

[ripe berry]

a version of everything listed (up to HN1 Act 3/Finale) occurs in both loops
but I only listed what's required for the story in each loop

[ripe berry]

I'd say Theodore Peterson

[little lodge]

Fair enough, Guest seems to be maintaining it by the time of RD IIRC.

Could be wrong though.

[ripe berry]

because there's a whole subplot in Hello Engineer where Ted seems to be running experiments
AND, get this
in the ending of Hello Engineer you can see a chalkboard behind Ted which, among other things, shows a Lightning Bolt, a Clock, and a (Square Rooted) Infinity Symbol

[little lodge]

Yeah HE is definitely the most that kind of stuff + Mayak has been shown in games.

[ripe berry]

thus, if anyone were to cause the loop, it'd be the one testing the loops in the first place

[little lodge]

Can't believe we got this from kids building cars with the Neighbor being angry lol.

HE is interesting to say the least.

[ripe berry]

Plus, WHAT did Ted say in Raven Brooks Disaster
"I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you? All you can do is build a new future."
Which establishes a motive for him to make the timeloop

[dark flax]

That makes much more sense now.

I’ve been wanting to read Raven Brooks Disaster, I literally have it but I’ve been busy w a lot of stuff lol

I should get into it now tbh

[little lodge]

I've only read the Nicky Trilogy and the Guidebook. 😭 🙏

[dark flax]

I’ve read only all of the novels

[little lodge]

Thankfully I've had years to pretty much catch up with all the story.

[ripe berry]

Yeah
AND YOU KNOW WHO THE GUEST IS IN RESET DAY?
Theodore Peterson.

[little lodge]

The Guidebook gotta be #1 Hello Neighbor media OAT.

[little lodge]

Wait, so does that mean Peterson is Guest by time of RD?

[ripe berry]

yes
actually, Theodore becomes the Guest during the Raven Brooks Disaster

[little lodge]

So, who was Guest before then?

And who is Guest in HN3, considering that's last in timeline?

[ripe berry]

Unclear but Welcome to Raven Brooks should give us an answer

[little lodge]

What about HN3, they seem to be distinguished characters by that point.

[ripe berry]

Again unclear

then again HN3 is still in VERY early development so things might be clarified with the HN3 Guest later

[dark flax]

So, that’s due to the time loop right? For Ted being the Guest, since he’s not the Guest in any of the games at this point.

[little lodge]

Yeah, for all we know it could take a complete U-turn storywise just like HN1 and HN2 did MULTIPLE times.

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hopping off for the night
cya chat

[dark flax]

Oh, alright then

Cya

[little lodge]

See ya, ngl this has been the best discussion I've had in this channel.

[dark flax]

Agreed lol

[little lodge]

And I've been here since November 2024.

[dark flax]

Oh-

[little lodge]

Yeah I used to be on this discussion a lot around AS S2 time and kind of forgot after, and randomly I've started playing HN again, so yeah seems fitting to come back on here.

[dark flax]

Well, I’d say this was a good discussion, especially with some of my questions being answered which ty for at least helping me with one of them lol

[little lodge]

All good, thanks to you too. 👍

[dark flax]

[little lodge]

See ya then!

[dark flax]

Alright see ya!

[wanton roost]

I wish the guest can just take over anyones body

[marsh idol]

people theorize he's most likely a humanoid crow.

having him be some random character we don't care at this point just dies down the suspense of his identity reveal

and for your information, it would not be supernatural

[wise bridge]

The things over 100 years old

[limber ridge]

Perspectives most likely aren't the whole explanation considering it has to tie back to mayak

[wise bridge]

In a 1v1 who wins

(Walrider from Outlast is the 2nd Image)

[limber ridge]

Walrider prolly

[wanton roost]

August 24 for me but on my old acc

[dusty trench]

I actually love this theory. We
Know that he wanted to change the past and looking deeper into it, it kinda makes sense if he created time loop.

[dusty trench]

I mean that was the basic cover of the HN story at the time that the game centered around mainly. But if you pay attention closer and look beyond that, you’ll obviously realize something darker at play, especially with the raven representation, and even the fact that in the mod kit promotion the town was already called raven brooks even before the books, and we ca tell from the games, Wayron Croobs. Many other dark symbolic imagery with the eye paintings, amusement park stuff, it was clearly much deeper and the already had a super metaphorical showing story at the time. And H&S shows it way more aswell if you really pay attention. And you really don’t even have to look super deep in those 2 games because even people back then had theories on a more darker cult like or something above everything that’s happening (not talking alpha theories). And like I said, many hints in both games hint at this a ton, and show it in ways like H&S especially.

[dusty trench]

What theory do you have on the concept of The Guest rn?

[dusty trench]

Who said it had to be that old. And even then that still wouldn’t mean supernatural.

[wise bridge]

It’s from way before Petersons time, and currently in lore he is 85

[ripe berry]

I dunno tbh

[limber ridge]

And how do we know it's that old?

[wanton roost]

It's would actually be 100 smth years

[limber ridge]

At most we know he supposedly existed for "ages" but not only is "ages" a flexibile term, it could refer to the GAAP mascot as opposed to the guest we see in games and books

[wanton roost]

When did hn2 take place

I forogt

Forgot

[limber ridge]

Like after act 2/search and rescue.

[wanton roost]

Yeah but what year

1980 or

[ripe berry]

1996

[limber ridge]

I think it was 1996

[wanton roost]

And how old was the neighbor

[limber ridge]

Don't remember the source though.

[limber ridge]

53

[wanton roost]

so it def been 100 or a bit more years ever since this all started

[limber ridge]

Since what started exactly?

[wanton roost]

the cult loop stuff

[limber ridge]

Oh probably.

[wanton roost]

because Roger made the weather station and probably got killed by the cult

or taken who knows taken then dead maybe

cuz he'd die from old age ofc.

its so clear to just say guest takes over bodies

but hello neighbor is a bedrooms mess

[limber ridge]

Yh but not possible due to no supernatural claims.

[wanton roost]

Yeag

But like whyyy

Imagine nikita telling us why guest isn't supernatural cuz he saw a crow man transform to a bird and just say "there's nothing supernatural in hn nikita remember that.."

[wanton roost]

Did I get false pinged or am I crazy

[wise bridge]

Your acting crazy

Bro changed his profile

[wanton roost]

I didn't my nitro ended

[limber ridge]

Got true pinged

[wise bridge]

I know where it comes from

[limber ridge]

/j

[wanton roost]

I'm gonna study biology i got a exam tomorrow

[limber ridge]

Wish You the Best on it.

[wise bridge]

I have the entire released series to bendy and the ink machine in my library because steam sales

[wanton roost]

I better come back seeing some more lore

[wanton roost]

yeah I also got it cuz of steam

ima buy dark revival soon.

[wanton roost]

Thank you

[wise bridge]

I have the first game now i complete the collection

My father did that for me

I forget the price of this one

When it isn’t on sale 40 dollars

[wise bridge]

#1 Hello neighbor character (KITTY)

[ripe berry]

forgot to mention the fact there's also a clock there confirming the Infinity Symbol MEANS Time loop, so I've edited it to mention that.

[ripe berry]

yeah
he's the one who best fits lore-wise for making the loops

[ripe berry]

(I will note SN might be moved to the loop with the books due to the GAAP's design.)

[ripe berry]

and ALSO
before Reset Day the ONLY other people to know of the time loops are people who Theodore is friends with (and possibly friends of friends due to Stage Play Theory)

[marsh idol]

no it isnt

[ripe berry]

The Thing is a representation of a person's fear
so the Thing is only able to be as old as whoever's witnessing it

unrelated but
What would we say the name for the mix of loop theory and perspectives is

[wise bridge]

I’m talking about the guest

[wise bridge]

The guest is older than Theodore Peterson who is 85 in HN3 rn

[marsh idol]

when was his age ever stated

[wise bridge]

Bird man or child kidnapper?

[marsh idol]

the guest..

who else

[wise bridge]

It’s older than Peterson, so likely 100+ years old

[marsh idol]

again

WHEN has their age EVER been stated

[wise bridge]

Idk now let me watch TikTok

[little lodge]

Loopspective lol.

[marsh idol]

just saying headcanons 🤦‍♂️

[little lodge]

Wait can someone recap what the new lore is with the Guest and the Town Festivals?

I've kinda missed HN3 Prototype 3, which is where I'm assuming all this is from now.

[wanton roost]

We don't know anything about the festival yet I think but my theory is its bringing the loop back

I feel like this festival started around Rogers time

[limber ridge]

Back in like before 1980 there was this festival with the guest statue. As of hn3 they brought it back(which takes place in 2028). It seems as If the statue provided good weather in exchange for the festival.

[little lodge]

Yeah I've heard it's quite old.

[limber ridge]

Also it seems as If the guest was originally a symbol for the town, twisted into some evil, cult-like figure

[wanton roost]

it's in the museum after all and other newspapers in the museum happened a long time ago cuz its 2028

Like Lucy yis death

1996

[little lodge]

And I'm right in assuming the Raven Man myth started the whole Guest thing, or was the starting point of the Guest in timeline?

[willow depot]

...So did it get banned solely so the cult can use their devices in bad weather?

[little lodge]

As seen in the wooden carving in RD.

[nova geyser]

Hey

[willow depot]

Except seemingly that backfires on them

Poetic

[wanton roost]

we don't know what made the cult in Rogers time

Maybe when Roger made the weather station some people got obsessed with it and decided to become a cult in raven brooks and their town is raven brooks so raven outfits

[willow depot]

Isn't the cult older

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure If the statue even did promise them good weather back then, but that seems like what's happening currently(currently as in, 2028 or whenever they brought the festival back)

[little lodge]

Probably the Raven Man myth, and the pit in the Mayak Franklin fell down had some significance, even though that was after it shut down.

No, actually thinking about it the cult is older than the Pit Incident, ignore me.

[wanton roost]

Wdym

[limber ridge]

They are, Roger and Adelle made the station specifically to discover the reason for the bad storms, which were caused by the devices.

[wanton roost]

yknow thinking about it even more now roger made mayak and Franklin's son fell down to it and again somehow theodore is the guest

[willow depot]

Perspective this perspective that

[eager island]

they had well-being and happiness when the statue was up back then

[willow depot]

Typo aside how is Ted Guest again

[little lodge]

Isn't it possible Raven Brooks naturally has geomagnetic anomalies which was stated somewhere (I can't remember where) and the cult just built on this with devices? In Terrible Storm Strikes article, it states Raven Brooks has always been famous for storms, implying before the cult as well. This again ties to Raven Brooks naturally having a storm problem that FPs built upon with devices. This is what I believe anyway.

Like, FPs are not the cause for the storms in the first place, but the cause for making them worse, as Aaron says in the Aaron Trilogy they seem to get worse each year.

IIRC.

[marsh idol]

yes

[willow depot]

How do we know storms are device caused again

Or do you mean overall just storm related

[marsh idol]

the raven man myth started the beginning of the guest

[limber ridge]

Rita iirc.

[eager island]

aint rita is like

crazy

[little lodge]

What's that? Or to phrase it better, who is Rita?

[limber ridge]

She was given info from Norman.

Also was hiding from earthquakes in her bunker iirc, and in like reset day earthquakes are like the cause for a town lockdown.

[willow depot]

How would a bunker save her from an earthquake anyway

[limber ridge]

I don't think she's just crazy.

[eager island]

long ago, the town formed a sacred bond with the "creature"

the pact brought years of joy and prosperity, renewed each cycle

but when the ritual was broken, the flow collapsed and misfortune struck.

the statue and the festival were created to restore the old balance
and keep the creature appeased

its pratically the story of statue (at least with the information we have so far)

[little lodge]

Huh, so I'm assuming this all took place pre-cult, or pre-Roger times?

[eager island]

well

[little lodge]

And statue and festival begun later in 1980?

[eager island]

no

festival ended in 80

we dont know when it started

but something happened and it cancelled in 80

[wanton roost]

Graphic novel

[limber ridge]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[little lodge]

Ah right, and statue isn't the Guest, but is based on the Guest?

[eager island]

probably

[willow depot]

Wasn't it meant to be HN2 related somehow

[little lodge]

Old HN2 I'm pretty sure had more in common with it. They both still work together canonically fine, just HN2's story was changed in development.

[limber ridge]

Is it known around when GN2 was being worked on?

[little lodge]

By old HN2 I mean Alpha 2 times.

[willow depot]

Uuhh well doesn't this whole Ted Guest arc have to wrap itself up around Reset Day just for them to be seperate in HN3

[eager island]

the runes (ᚷᚹᚱᛚ[reversed]ᛚ) explains all

[willow depot]

HN2A2 Guest isn't even real

[little lodge]

Yeah it's not very clear, Ted and Guest are seperate prior to Raven Brooks Disaster, Ted becomes Guest in Raven Brooks Disaster to RD, then sometime between then and HN3 they become seperate again.

[limber ridge]

Wasn't that Alpha 1-1.5?

[little lodge]

Very vague but that's the most we've got.

[wanton roost]

wdym

[little lodge]

That's the yellow press storyline of Alpha 1-1.5, by Alpha 2 it was the old HN2 storyline which tied into Raven Brooks Disaster and RD.

[limber ridge]

It was marketed as tying in with hn2

[eager island]

alpha 2 is still yellow press btw

[wanton roost]

i mean what can I say that's still theo

[little lodge]

Oh, well that was around the time of GN2 and RD anyway so it had further connections with that.

Compared to previous builds.

[limber ridge]

Is it known from when they started development on GN2? Or is there a way to estimate it?

[little lodge]

I would guess around late 2020 but I'm not sure.

Maybe mid 2020.

It was the time of HN2 alphas anyway.

[willow depot]

What I find notable is that apparently MITH was still majorly relevant around GN2 making since they asked the artist to draw him specifically just to see how he'd look in the artstyle

[ripe berry]

TLDR the Guest started as a town symbol seemingly even against the storms that overtime got corrupted into the version we know now

[little lodge]

Yeah that works out.

[ripe berry]

(ignore the bad mockup of what the Conehead Guest Ritual statue looked like from editing an image to put it together)

[willow depot]

Guest kid too technically?

[little lodge]

Huh, so when does that timeline start approximately? And when would the wood carving of the Guest in RD be made?

[ripe berry]

and also you can make of the runes what you want

[eager island]

whats in the bottom right corner

[ripe berry]

GAAP Mascot on the tickets in SN

[limber ridge]

If that's true then it's settled. GN2 was working with yellow press storyline. They could have Transformed it, but If it was developed around alphas that was likely what they tried to tie it into.

[willow depot]

Wayroon Croobian the sequel

[ripe berry]

RD Guest falls between the HN2 and HN3 Guest Designs
no clue when it started but the ritual stopped in 1980

[little lodge]

Yeah definitely the initial basis, but still works now in modern storyline.

[limber ridge]

Eh. I mean i like how Dark tied it in.

[ripe berry]

(I know this image is low quality, but these are real runs being used so you can interpret them how you want)

[little lodge]

Yeah lol he knows way more than me, so I'd rely on his paragraphs, I've read some of them and they are good.

[little lodge]

Huh that's cool.

And Raven Man myth predates all this?

[ripe berry]

it stopped in 1980 and was revived in 2028 (HN3)

[ripe berry]

I guess?

[ripe berry]

(in order)
Drawing of Conehead Guest preventing the rain
Conehead Guest Ritual design
Conehead Guest Puppet (depicted in a photo in the cinema in HN3)
Conehead Guest GAAP Mascot
HE GAAP Mascot
HN2 Guest
HN3 Guest

[little lodge]

The Guest Kid was from the 40s-50s, which implies the Festivals started before then, and probably pre-Roger/Mayak by that logic.

[ripe berry]

(Conehead Guest is how I'm identitfying the non-Raven designs)

[little lodge]

Yeah seems cool, SN GAAP version probably same time as HE GAAP mascot.

I wonder if the Apple Guy shown in the Nicky Trilogy could still work more as a symbol of the Golden Apples themselves and the Guest being used to tie into Raven Brooks culture, particularly the forest.

[ripe berry]

However it SHOULD be noted that HN3 doesn't quite line up with the rest of the timeline
it claims the GAAP existed in 1984

then again, that can be chalked up to HN3 being a prototype

[ripe berry]

which ALSO means the Guest Festival predates the Cult's usage of the Eye Symbolism

[little lodge]

Did the cult have the devices by that point, or did they just worship the Guest and the natural geomagnetic storms?

[ripe berry]

because (especially by HN2 Time) The Eye Symbol seems to be heavily linked to the cult
-Eye Paintings
-The park with the Catacombs underneath is eye-shaped
-Eye Librarian
-Guest's cultist outfit has an eye symbol

[ripe berry]

unclear

the cult DID exist by this point (Norman Darby implies Raven Brooks was founded in part by the cultists)

[little lodge]

Which was 1842? So they've been around for a while.

Along with Raven Man.

[limber ridge]

Isn't the Tavish Society full of cultists?

[ripe berry]

potentially earlier, but 1842 is the earliest date that's been mentioned so that's what I go with

[ripe berry]

yes.

[limber ridge]

So the the cult must almost fully(at least) have founded the town.

[ripe berry]

sending other lore-related HN3 Prototype 3 images

[little lodge]

When does the news article image take place?

[eager island]

no clue

[ripe berry]

unclear, BUT it seems to depict Franklin Peterson, so I'd say in the 1950s

[ripe berry]

image possibly from the founding of Raven Brooks

[eager island]

i dont think thats franklin tbh

[little lodge]

Oh yeah, how did I miss that! Good call.

[limber ridge]

It looks like him but i doubt Nikita is utilizing Frank whatsoever.

[ripe berry]

there's also a newspaper referencing kids disappearing at the Mayak (don't have the texture for this one so have this low quality image)

[little lodge]

That probably ties it more in to be honest.

[ripe berry]

there's two potential references to him
the woods one
or People disappear at local weather station

[little lodge]

Wow holy lore drops in HN3 Prototype 3.

[limber ridge]

Lore drops that'll probably be reworked by the full release.

[little lodge]

To be honest the only lore drops are the Festivals actually, but it's interesting to get backed up info.

[little lodge]

Still I don't see why they'd change these things.

[limber ridge]

The festivals are like major Lore drops

[ripe berry]

you can also argue the woods one to be the Halloween Incident

[wanton roost]

huh kids being missing in mayak

and alex says that the gang will be fine just like nicky

[ripe berry]

(or... not specifically kids, it just says people)

[wanton roost]

what on earth

[little lodge]

Referring to Franklin + possible extra cult activity.

[little lodge]

It's a shame RBBArchives was never finished.

[wanton roost]

well people isnt 1 person and theres already another newpaper about him

[little lodge]

I said + possible extra cult activity.

Extra people.

[ripe berry]

may I also note the the Halloween Incident can be traced to HN2A1.5 and HGP
the HGP depiction shows the three kids getting attacked in the Mayak during a storm
the HN2A1.5 depiction has been said to also occur at the Mayak (the irl version of the event, not Quentin's Yellow Journalism Vision) during a storm

[wanton roost]

which extra people would go to mayak i mean theres one teaser of a cultist dying in mayak

i still think its the kids tbh

[ripe berry]

and then the Halloween Incident got split into two
Peterson's Stick Together from the AS
and Terrible Storm Strikes in the RBBArchives

[little lodge]

Extra question: does HND show the Guest statue at GAAP, because Nicky has to have seen it due to HNVR implying him to have been investigating it prior to Act 1.

[ripe berry]

no.

[wanton roost]

is the alien (gerda) being missing and found canon

im wondering

[ripe berry]

yeah
I'd say it's still canon

[limber ridge]

Well yeah.

[wanton roost]

hm this is all very confusing

[ripe berry]

both events are still canon though

[wanton roost]

so after gerda and the others left the mayak she or also they got missing?

[ripe berry]

Idk maybe

[wanton roost]

maybe they were hiding cuz trauma?

[little lodge]

So where would Nicky find out/encounter the Guest?

[ripe berry]

I mean Gerda didn't say a word after being rescued so maybe

[ripe berry]

I'd say between Waking Nightmare and Buried Secrets maybe?

[limber ridge]

I would Say this happened before the Petersons stick together, by a few years and just Gerda got missing.

[wanton roost]

your right she looked very young

After all they were trying to solve stuff about the cult

[limber ridge]

Wait îs the hw incident mentioned in the books?

[ripe berry]

can't be too many years though because I'm pretty sure the Halloween Incident is tied to the Back to School DLC lore

[limber ridge]

I think even a year or 2 îs enough.

[ripe berry]

because the Halloween Incident missing posters were everywhere in BTS at one point and the description for BTS mentions rumors of kids going missing

[limber ridge]

But the kids went missing at the School, not at the forest like the hw kids

[ripe berry]

a similar thing is, but it's in the wrong decade
the thing that's mentioned by the books occurs in the late 1980s

[limber ridge]

Oh.

[ripe berry]

I mean, the thing is
the paper mentioning the Halloween Incident was written the day after the event

before any solid theories about what happened could be formed

and in HN2 the Middle School is seemingly on the outskirts of a forest

[ripe berry]

(especially since the only place in the base HN2 Map where the school's lake can connect to the lake in base HN2 is on the outskirts of town by the entrance where you can see quite a few trees)

plus in other media the entrance to RB seems to be a clearing in a forest)

[ripe berry]

(especially since Gerda wouldn't speak)

[ripe berry]

plus this explains why the Janitor is demoted from Principal (and why Abanante takes his place in the AS)

[wanton roost]

most thing I'm interested in is about people being missing in mayak

a place where literally only a loop of kids and cult members go in

Also that hn3 newspaper of franklin and the girl

If it isn't Lisa then it's probably maritza but I doubt that cuz franklin was missing a long time ago and maritza would be missing by rn since she's an adult

Then again I might be just crazy

[little lodge]

I don't think Lisa ever went missing at the Mayak.

There's no mention of her in the entire franchise except from Waking Nightmare where Ted pretends she's looking after Aaron and Mya outside of RB.

[willow depot]

What newspaper now??

[little lodge]

She's also younger than Ted, so she wouldn't look the same age as Franklin when missing.

[little lodge]

This one.

Top right image.

[willow depot]

Thanks

Doesn't Lisa live in a different state

KIND OF looks like Maritza's hair but ehhh

I doubt she can be a good candidate

Enzo already went missing, no? Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice and all (metaphorically)??

[little lodge]

Enzo goes missing in RD (2021), if you're talking from the perspective of HN3 (2028) then yes.

[willow depot]

Still

[little lodge]

Wdym?

[willow depot]

I doubt it's Maritza it just feels weird

[little lodge]

Yeah me neither.

[willow depot]

What doesn't help is the Reset Day story being left at essentially the first act

[wanton roost]

having your brother being missing will probably drag her in

[wanton roost]

understandable but still likely

it's 2028 after all.

[little lodge]

I think it's from 50s with Franklin and another unnamed girl, implying similar things happened with other people, the cult and the Mayak at the same time.

Idk though, there's not a lot to go off of.

Hey speaking of the 2010s-2020s portion of the timeline.

[wanton roost]

Well maritza was taken by the cultists and she gave them the book that helped most of her plans

[little lodge]

How does Peterson's house go from being burnt down in 2017, to being standing in 2021 with the words OMEN written on it, to being half destroyed in 2028?

[wanton roost]

maybe he's just rebuilding his house

who knows.

[little lodge]

I don't think it's a matter of perspective.

But rather that or something to do with time loops.

[wanton roost]

oh yeah true the house coming back could maybe be a loop

[willow depot]

I doubt they have an explanation baked for that

Small price to pay (at least for them) for "Guys look it's THE house"

[ripe berry]

then again this is a franchise with time loop stuff

[willow depot]

Honestly might come off as a weird take but if Nicky isn't showing up in HN3 I think it'd be better to retcon his arrival to be at the end of the timeline as opposed to retconning Ted's house each time

[ripe berry]

actually no, this doesn't fix the issue with the house

it makes the issue worse

[willow depot]

How so

[ripe berry]

because photos in the Forest area of Hello Neighbor 2 depict Ted's House burning down

[willow depot]

Actually don't we get pictures of the house bu-

Ahh

[ripe berry]

this likely occurs in 1996 during the storm that was being teased with Hello Engineer and SN

[willow depot]

House burning down as far back as that is still meh though

Like it just

Does get rebuilt in Reset Day

And forest protectors are apparently still a thing

And they mark Theodore's property in cryptic warnings AGAIN 😭

AND IT COMES TRUE TOO

[ripe berry]

then again that was also done with the AS and HN2
having the Forest Protectors remaining in 1996 after being "destroyed" in 1992

[dusty trench]

Love it. This is 🔥

[willow depot]

They're probably going down in S3 or something, I could get behind extending FP's influence span so they actually get action but them still kicking in big 2020s is overkill

That just kills progression

Simply meaning that no matter what Rescue Squad, Theodore, Quentin and/or other journalists/detectives alike do the big bad still remains

All to seemingly get wiped out a bit later anyway assuming they don't show up in HN3 (please don't)

That or Reset Day is getting retconned

But how likely is that

"Everything is canon" anyone?

[ripe berry]

again with the time loop stuff my current hunch is:
Before the loop stuff (aka doesn't change due to the loops): Secret of Bosco Bay
Original Timeline:
HNHS -> Original AS Ep. 1-3 .? Original AS Ep. 4 + Original Act 1 + possibly the HN Movie -> Original AS Ep. 5 -> HNVR -> Original AS Ep. 6 + Original AS Season 2 -> HN2 DLCs -> Original AS Season 3 + HN2 -> Hello Engineer (Theodore discovers how to make timeloops) -> LayoutV2 + HN2 Patch 9 stuff -> HE Sandbox Mode -> AS (As we see it, Trinity remembering stuff) -> HN1 (In-game) -> Loop occurs
In the loops:
Bad Blood -> Grave Mistakes -> Puzzle Master -> Missing Pieces -> Waking Nightmare -> Buried Secrets -> a version of HNVR -> a version of HN2 -> a version of Hello Engineer -> Raven Brooks Disaster (Neighbor (becomes?) the Guest) -> Secret Neighbor (mix of memories up to and after the storm) -> a version of HN1 Acts 3-Finale -> HN: Nicky's Diaries -> Reset Day (Guest continuing loops)
After the loop stuff: HN3

[eager island]

they kinda replaced the cult with the vandals

[ripe berry]

I should note the Vandals aren't actually the Cult

[eager island]

yeah

[willow depot]

I think it could be neat

Edgy teens trying to be knock-off cult

But we have enough "fake version of something" already

Mostly the Guest

[limber ridge]

Alex did Say the explanation of the guest in AS(definitive according to him) doesn't tie into everything, retcons are still possible.

[daring saddle]

I think it is about the medias before HN2

[limber ridge]

Also was the house still burnt down in Diaries?

[little lodge]

I don't think the outside is ever shown except for the gameplay.

And obviously cutscenes but those take place during Missing Pieces.

[limber ridge]

Ok

[daring saddle]

After HN2 The Guest seems very consistent to me, this mysterious figure that who has ulterior motives in his actions

maybe we will learn his motives or his relation with Theodore/Peterson Family, since he appears to help Aaron in HNVR for a reason

[ripe berry]

they didn't take the time to make the version of the house in the intro separate from the version of the house in gameplay

it's not meant to be seen anyways

[dusty trench]

I agree with this

Except Peterson becoming guest

What does that fully mean to you rn?

[ripe berry]

not sure, because, y'know, the Guest stuff makes no sense rn

[ripe berry]

even Alex admits it won't make complete sense

[ripe berry]

(the Reason SN in the loops has to do with the GAAP, there's 2 main versions of the GAAP in the canon rn, the Hello Engineer one and Books one)

[dusty trench]

It probably means at that point Peterson is trying to get rid of the town and cause destruction. And The Guest coming after him and the he is in Guest cloths means that he is now seen as a monster in people eyes. And that we know that Guest in S&R Peterson is afraid of and runs away from him. Guest cornering Theodore with all of his problems pain and fears and mistakes in one room with a tornado of missing posters. And that scene is reave brooks disaster is a metaphorical version of The Guest like Theo’s fear, mistakes, and pain all coming back to him and taking over his mind. And he becomes uncontrollable with rage and anger to destroy the town and everyone around him, as we see him trying to use a pipe to hit Pris and Regina. Like how people see The Raven Man as a destructive symbols and tale, and considering this is in the eyes of people just viewing this stuff while already knowing about the Raven man tale (really Regina) it makes sense. And thinking about it again, it could hint that The Guest is trying to destroy the town, which can see being possible.

[ripe berry]

SN aligns with the Books layout
AS aligns with the HE layout

[dusty trench]

That’s why we decipher. And even I believe that AS wouldn’t make complete sense at first but the more we look and even other media it can come together.

[dusty trench]

I’ve heard people say that kid on the right looks like Franklin which could work. Also the fact that most of these newspapers and paintings depict older past raven brooks stuff like the festival and weather station. But they do talk abut the park but I just said mostly.

[ripe berry]

(I actually verified this myself awhile back and while some things changed I was able to find an equivalent to most locations from the Books Map in the right places)

[ripe berry]

I guess that makes sense...

[ripe berry]

rough visual version (didn't put much effort into this graphic or else I'd have listed actual events and things that we can assume happen in both timelines)

[dusty trench]

Yes I can see this. Also feel like there is some loop stuff happening in HN3 not just metaphors and gameplay.

Also the fact that it’s stories of people are telling of the town and some people actually went to the town like the player. But characters are in a loop in town. Like in Rest Day when Piper and Delia exit town to find out that the time and month is different outside of raven brooks.

Maybe later on the cult started to construct the time loops by Rest day and maybe HN3.

They took control since Mr. Peterson is now on a path of destruction.

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[limber ridge]

This from Nikita

[dusty trench]

Oh well no loop in HN3 I guess

[dusty trench]

Wait it’s weird the way he said it. Time not loops. You only restart as a play which is like yea, and maybe not a time loop for the player but maybe just for the town, maybe? Idk a little confused.

[dusty trench]

Actually he said no time manipulation in HN3 specifically so yea

Which is kinda weird.

[limber ridge]

True

There is a 7 year gap between reset day and hn3 right?

I think Since then someone could have undone it

I find it weird that hn3 takes place in 2028 supposedly, yet in one of the endings(campfire ending) a newspaper has the number 2031 on it

Since we're on about hn 3, i found something interesting from Nikita. Might have been brought up before but...

[dusty trench]

Wait WHAT?!

Sorry but I didn’t know that

[limber ridge]

Maybe the time loop was fixed, but time in Raven Brooks and The outside world are still a Little out of sync

Or maybe the protagonist just visited the town in 2028 and is talking with the people at the campfire about it 3 years later.

[limber ridge]

This message is interesting

I think it probably means the gameplay can't exist but You never know for sure

[dusty trench]

I remember 12 minutes. That game was very strange but also a really good story and is also super deep in the story and has a bigger meaning. Weird thing tho is that, that game also has huge reference to time, time loops, and other time stuff that is metaphorical but could be sci fi but it’s mostly metaphorical. That game the character you play as is on a date at his girlfriend’s friends house, and intruders try to break in and they can kill you. When the main character dies, the main character is sent back to the beginning when he enters the house, but he remembers when he died because it’s implied that it’s like a loop but it’s strange since they portray things metaphorically, Lin HN.

[limber ridge]

I think Nikita will use time loops, but as a gameplay mechanic, rather than a story beat.

[dusty trench]

Could be metaphorical and not literal time loops like we seen before.

[dusty trench]

Yea I see this too

[dusty trench]

Not sure tho

[dusty trench]

I can see this. But why the newspaper so long after?