lore-discussion

[dusty trench]

Since there is 5 episodes.

[ripe berry]

when AS Season 3 drops I wonder if it'd be possible to make a "In Real Time" video of what everyone was doing at that time period

[dusty trench]

I would love to see that

different perspectives in that period. Quentin HN2, Rescue squad HE and AS. Pris and Regina GN2.

[ripe berry]

and maybe you could also hear a few of the tapes from HN2 (like during the HN2 Intro you can hear the White Tape in the background)

[dusty trench]

That would be fire.

And even little hints and easter eggs in tha period that give more detail on HN2 and whats hepling to Quetin and where Beatrix is. Just in rescue squad view.

[ripe berry]

oh yeah because like-
at most 3/4 of the screen would be taken up at once

so a fourth of the screen could be used to explain things that are unclear in the other perspectives

[dusty trench]

Yes

And maybe even have little things that happen or are shown tha can be explained in HN2 to make it mkre important.

[ripe berry]

the biggest problem when AS Season 3 comes out would be keep track of where everyone is so that, for instance, we don't have 2 Mr. Petersons at the same time

[dusty trench]

true. We could explain it by figuring out metaphors shown.

Maybe begining of AS can show Quentin more and later on he isnt really there snd theres hints that lead to HN2.

[ripe berry]

however even when AS Season 3 comes out we'd still have noticeable gaps in any "In Real Time" thing because we need to account for the time gap of Quentin in the tunnels and the Ruined Town

[dusty trench]

Yea

[ripe berry]

wait
it'd be so peak if during the AS Finale the Guest is seen taking a detour down the tunnels and then in the background we can see Quentin escaping, implying that HN2 Act 2 and AS Season 3 Finale occur side-by-side

[ripe berry]

and also we see a Golden Apple Truck parked outside the Weather Station to imply GN2 is also happening at this time off-screen

[dusty trench]

Which since its HE in kids view and that they are in a timeloop, also the fact that The Guest HN2 design will be explained in AS finale, we can try and peice things togethor. Which can mean the forest os after the finale. And if they show high school versions of the kids it can go to that point, and in the video show HE’s game view, befire it shows them later

Even little hintsin AS that can explain Quentin or shiw him more so he can be more of a character which can explain why he is in SN and trusted by the kids.

[dusty trench]

yes

[ripe berry]

(would make where Hello Engineer goes a nightmare but oh well)

[low kite]

What does GN2 stand for?

[ripe berry]

Graphic Novel 2 (The Raven Brooks Disaster book)

[low kite]

Oh, ok

[ripe berry]

and GN1 is Secret of Bosco Bay

[dusty trench]

I meant like the sandbox. Since if they escape the timeloop at the end of S3, before it gets to that finale point it shows HE.

[ripe berry]

yeah that'd make sense

[dusty trench]

But also for that we have to see how it plays out in S3

[ripe berry]

yeah

[dusty trench]

I know The Guest will appear, and that’s exciting. But I really wnat to see Aaron in S3 (not happening), But most likely just mention him more like in the finale. Or the cult talks about what they want with Aaron in a breif moment that gives us the picture. Or not fully confirming it but showing the audience that the wnat Aaron for something. And when they encounter The Guest at the end, maybe they figure out that The Guest made a deal with Aaron for his own goal, but also help’s rescue squad them survive incident’s, and making sure Peterson doesnt get to them. But something happens that enrages The Guest and take out his anger on everyone, but then an incident happens to explain his HN2 design. And idk about them fully discovering what happened to Mya, but saying that the cukt caused his familys death, which can hint at what happened to Mya. Since what happened with probably be explained HN movie which makes sense because Nickys persepctive. Also speaking of Nicky, since he has been in every episode AS so far, maybe instead of showing him, they show pictures if him or his mask that Trinity kept. And maybe even show in a little moment what happened to his oarebts or another character like kids in school talk about what happened to his parents in a little moment, most likely leave the town. And maybe the movie can show more of what Nicky seen in the basement and what he heard which ca tie into my thoughts on how the HN movie can play out. And in the movie if it becomes a series or brief mentions in the first movie before next few, is where they intrduce or talk about characters like Norman Darby, Gordan Cleave, Dale Tapps, Ms. Tillman, and Rita. Even maybe they can get to the point of a Reset Day movie trilogy since Alex did talk about finishing the books after the movie (maybe). And even talked abiut having a good idea for a trilogy.

[marsh idol]

so excited for the movie

judging by the camera cinematography in Nikita’s dev logs, the movie is sure to surpass it

this movie has so much potential to be one of the greatest video game adaptations without needing just so much cgi, demons, robots, fight scenes

just a great story to tell

[low kite]

Same here.

[dusty trench]

Like the 1st movie can be obviousky HN1 and fit the Nicky trilogy on, but even HND inna way that makes sense and can even show stuff like Nikcy getting taken to a mantak hospital, and expand on what he seen and learned about in the basement, maybe even show The Guest encountering Aaron in a way that makes sense. And in Nickys perspctive in the movie, it can be whike mostly showing the past and of adult era, it can show since we learn mor eon what Nicky kearned in the basement, that its Nicky looking back at the oast including his time as an adult surpassing his trauma because in HND Nicky is looking over his life to figure out what was going on with other characters and incidents. Maybe even in the future obviously instead kf literal act 3 and finale and HND, Nicky is traveling town and talking to people to disciver and fox his memories. While throughout dodging his fears like in HND so he doesnt gain them.

And 2nd movie can be Aaron trilogy and even can switch views to show Myas perspective and even their perspective on H&S. Like Aaron rembering the past which is what the mivie will mostly show, and have Mya’s view a little bit showing a little of her view during the 1st movie and maybe a little before. Whike most of the movie shows Aaron looking bak on the past. Like a scene in the movie can be the ending of Puzzle Master, and the movie ca shiw Norman Darby, Gordan Cleave, Origin of Mayak with Roger and Adele and the origin of the cult which can be the flashes forward where we see Aarons view on the later parts of the timeline line during HN2 and AS season 2. And show Quentin in the movie (and the 1st one since AS) and even Aaron can learn about the kissing joirnalist and figure out if he is MITH like shoowng MITH in the movie a bit, like maybe he finds out during season 2 time period and finds MITH. This would help tie it too HN2 and wrap up MITh and Missing Journalist, and what he was doing in S2. Maybe even showing bim watching the rescue squad during there events and expalining sone stuff in AS so it can tie togethor, which can even explain MITH event in Aarons perspective. Maybe in this movie Aaron finds out identity of The Guest to show it to movie audience if they reveal it in the show, have both reveal in dofferent persoctives, or just hae the movie do it. Maybe eve find out what happened to Aaron after the museum incident, maybeeven figure that out in AS aswell to have both reveal. And even expand more on the whole time situation with Norman and otyer characters. And Nicky in the 1st movie can have that stuff hinted at, and have the 2nd movie tie into Nickys persoective a lot. Even the movies can have dofferneces that are metaphorical that can explain why the kids were teh way they were in AS to tie to the books. And connect Nicky and Aarons perspective more since they were best friends.

And 3rd movie is reset day and its finsihed trilogy (if ever). And this is where we learn deeply on other peoples involvment like Ms. Tillman with the towns mystery and time stuff, like Norman. Andginsh it iff however Rest Day trilogy does it, in a way that maes sense. Since Reset Day is a timeloop. And in the movie series wewill learn way more about Maritza and Enzo as adults and even other members of the rescue squad. Like maybe they get a hold of the other members to help since the timeloop is getting bad, and we disciver more on Norman and others involved. And the whole time thing. Sonce when they discover it and how it works, they cane escsoe it. And we can figure out if Nicky plus a role later on or encounters the rest of the gang and they make up, like in a flash forward to the future. Or maybe that can be in the 1st movie shoiwng Nicky as an adult. Maybe the person he said hey too was someone he knew, or a rescue squad member. And eve throughout the movei series we can get HN3 info too. Like in 2nd movie, or 3rd we learn about the historian or even meet her. And in 3rd movie meet Janusz. Mayeb even vandals in the 3rd movie and in the 1st since its the future. And in the 3rd we learn how theboutside world thinks of raven brooks like a ghost town to give us a look at HN3. And maybe even show us Jacob younger in the 3rd, and Iris her brother Isaac and there parents. Not like fully you g versions of them but like you ger than they are in HN3. And maybe even the characters speak to them and we se portraits if then you ger. Maybe Iris and Isaaxs parents died in a storm if that happens in the past, lr during the movie. And that can have the 3rd movie give us a look at tying Reset day to the movie. And even the 3rd movie we can learn about the raven man festival, and the destruction of thefestival connecting to the towns history, and The Guest. Could even time skip at the end showing HN3 and the state of the town and what everytone oitside if ravens brooks views it.

[low kite]

What about Hello Neighbor 3?

[dark flax]

I am too, something I’m really looking forward to see in it, is actual recreations of the architecture of Raven Brooks. I love the modern and more cartoony look of the game so much, like it’ll be so cool to see an exact replica of the Peterson house. Hell, even the act 3 house even though if they do show it it’ll mostly be cgi since that’s physically impossible to build to scale irl

[low kite]

Imagine youtubers are invited to tour the Peterson house.

[dark flax]

That would be amazing

[marsh idol]

hopefully they make the guest a actual intimidating character in the movie

[vagrant igloo]

alex creates an entire town and gets it registered with the state

raven brooks becomes an actual town in Missouri

[marsh idol]

planning to move there

[dark flax]

Welp I guess I know where I’m moving to

Hopefully nothing bad happens there

[vagrant igloo]

I'm legally changing my name to Theodore Masters Peterson

[marsh idol]

imagine if the forest protectors are in the movie they get to dress up as one of them

bijuu mike as a forest protector

[dark flax]

Lmao

[vagrant igloo]

all the forest protectors turn out to just be a group of YouTubers

[dark flax]

What if they do YouTuber cameos in the movie as well

Nothing crazy of course, but either it would be cool to see

[dark flax]

Real

[dusty trench]

I edited the 2nd and 3rd one. 3rd one has HN3 stuff to tie in. 2nd one has HN2 stuff to tie in.

[dusty trench]

Continuation of that 3rd movie idea: Like showing Piper Delia and there Mom (if alive) later on outside of town and after some therapy get over there trauma, and even show Maritza, Enzo, Trinity, Ivan, Finch, Delroy, and Nicky if alive outside of town with no more fear aswell, and they all go there separate ways, while maybe keeping some contact with each other. And even they know about how theoutside world views raven brooks and hiwbthere is runors about it all the time of Mr. Peterson, The Guest, Cult, and other stuff. And even a newspaper pf the town getting destroyed by storm. And then cuts too the state of the town befire the storm hits, and maybe confirm if Mr. Peterson dies ot not. Like someone reaches out too the characters that Mr. Peterson died. Like some random people that research raven brooks. Maybe even have other characters appear breifly like Pris and Regina and they talk about there experience with the characters and they can tell they arent lying and tgey get over theyre trauma aswell. Also in thismovie Piper and Delia learn about Bosco Bay and maybe the characters meet older versions of the main characters from GN1 and they talk about there experience breifly andthey can tell they arent lying. They get over trauma too or explain how they already did get over it sincethe ending of GN1. Or maybe for both GN1 and GN2 people who speak to them in therapy of maybeonline the charaters find out other stroies of Mr. Peterson adj Raven brooks and there stories come up since they have been talked about. And in the 2nd movie Aaron learns about what actually happened at Bosco Bay through maybe notes Peterson has at his time in Petersons houe, since Aaron escapes to figure out the truth, and even stop his father from getting too Nicky and the rescue squad. Under the influence of The Guest. And in the 1st & 2nd movie we can see Aaron and Nicky discover Franklin Peterson and what happened to him.

[marsh idol]

this puts up a question i have not seen in this server yet (atleast for my own eyes)

who's yall fancast for the movie

[low kite]

It's so hard to find actors that look like the characters. So far Mr. Peterson is the only one who has actors that look like him in some way.

[willow depot]

Chris Pratt for Nicky Roth

[cloud brook]

Real

[limber ridge]

A big part of that is just theories. Namely the part where they think the guest is the protector of the storm.

I have seen media where there îs food in the basement. And media where he buys meals for two despite seemingly living Alone.

Norman starts explaining them a Little. Something about them picking up electromagnetic energy from the storms.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea i remember that. Really interesting.

Its crazy how we are going ti be researching more on technology and stuff like that for HN, bit I aint suprised. Its just crazy to think about.

[dusty trench]

I see it as at one point they were peaceful and the symbol lf the raven man festival was something meant to keep pain from the town which is represented with the storms. But overtime as curiosity’s took a weong turn, they began experimenting with stuff to then being greedy and then forming a cult around the symbol which was once positive, now destructed and turned negative. Instead of keeping the storm away, it brings it down upon the people in town. Toying with life and death, control over weather, and time. No longer keeping away dangerous power, and instead seeing how far it can be pushed. Maybe even how powerful The Guest is can have a metaphorical meanimg to it in a way. Like the fact that he is reprsented as powerful enough to keep the storms away in the eyes of townsfolks, but as we see the outcome his symbol brings that storm of pain and suffering. Which connects to how The Guest is metaphorically portrayed as if he is a supernatural being with god like powers. Its the towns view on that, since The Guest in theyre eyes represents the town, since thats what the town has used as representation of there area. Which connects to how at one point the town was curious on the natural strange weather phenomenoms. Used a symbom to explain it, but that downfalled because of the behind the scens experiments and making everything corporate out of greed. Only delusioning there own minds out of obsession rather than curiosity. Bringing down others into the same path as them, in many ways. Leadimg them into this larger puzzle.

[dusty trench]

Helo neighbor fan casting, atleast of wht I think can work.

Henry Cavil as Theodore Peterson

Reba McEntire as Diane Peterson

Devin Bostick as Adult Nicky

Thomas Barbusca as Child Nicky

Abbi Jacobson as Luanne Roth

Adam Driver as Jay Roth

David Mazouz as Aaron Peterson

Maggie Elizabeth Jones as Mya Peterson

Mutya Orquia as Lucy Yi

Daniel Henney as Mr. Yi

Jamie Chung as Brenda Yi/Ms. Yi

Julianna Gamizas Maritza Epsosito

Jayce Mroz as Enzo Esposito

Jack Gore as Ivan Torre

Lidya Jewett as Trinity Bales

Jalyn Hall as Delroy

Riley Go as Finch

Idris Elba as Donald Bales/Mr. Bales

Danielle Brooks as Joy Bales/Ms. Bales

Michael Peña as Miguel Esposito/Mr. Esposito

Salma Hayek as Ms. Esposito

Christopher Lloyd as Mr. Otto

Billy Crudup as Ike Gershowitz

Nick Offerman as Keith Nielson

Jim carry as Mr. Murtaugh

Catherine O’Hara as Proncipal Abenante

Jodie Whittaker as Gerda

Jacob Elordi as Leslie Kornwell

Forest Whitaker as The Mayor

Ben Affleck as MITH

Christina Ricci as Ms. Tillman

John Slattery as the Janitor

Tsai Chin as HN2 Librarian

Vanessa Hudgens as Ms. Tillman

Indiana Evans as Piper Tillman

Isabella Nurkovic as Delia Tillman

Zoey Deutch as Piper snd Delia’s Mom

Charlie Plummer as Franklin Peterson

Hugh Jackman as Roger Peterson

Bridget Regan as Adele Peterson

Zac Efron as Quentin

Natasha Bassett as Beatrix

Casper Knopf as child Theodore

Aubrey Elise as child Abenante

Miriam Spumpkin as child Gerda

Marcanthonee Reis as child Mayor

Max Charles as child Leslie

[marsh idol]

which actually leads into these theories being the most true using the symbolism from HN3 and other examples from other medias

yes the most canon explanation is that they are a cult who do this for wealth, fame and power

the other side is that they believe in the storm being supernatural

[marsh idol]

yes this

[dusty trench]

like my fancast

[quasi kiln]

peter srinivasan as theo

[limber ridge]

That is unknown. There is evidence for both sides. A lot of crow-man people would point to his Speed, croaking, beak movement, etc. While costume theorisers can point to stuff such as him seemingly taking off his beak in the prototype 3 bad ending, the strings on his beak, the fact that we'll apparently be surprised when we find out his identity, etc. All we know for sure about what he is: he isn't supernatural.

I mean, If You mess with anyone really they will likely be a threat. I guess Peterson can do a lot more to you though.

Oh i hope she didn't go down that way. It felt like they planned a Little more with her, since she acts a lot like a leader of the cult.

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[limber ridge]

I amn't saying i don't agree with the theories. But You probably should Say they are first, Since You were talking to a person fairly new to Lore.

[limber ridge]

Okay so I've been looking through some of Alex's older messages and... Aaron won't be in season 3, BUT he will be super important for the direction of the show.

[charred wharf]

we were robbed

[limber ridge]

Here's where he says that

[dusty trench]

i edited my fan casting above since i added Ms. Tillman but no actor lol.

[dusty trench]

ooowait hold on lemme find something I think can tie to that

[limber ridge]

So, what exactly do You think this could mean? Connection to the mayak-guest twist? Smth else entirely?

[limber ridge]

Oh cool, take your time If You need to.

[dusty trench]

yea i gotta scroll up lol

[dusty trench]

read this

i think I also made an idea for how the series can be streamlined

[limber ridge]

Ok.

[dusty trench]

I think these are good ideas

[limber ridge]

Think so too. But it feels a bit too... Ambitious i guess? Too good to be true is what i wanna say.

[dusty trench]

Yea

I was talking about ideas on how it could work in 5 episoes a way that is more clear

[limber ridge]

Oh, i meant in reference to the Aaron thing, not the other thing, that will probably be true.

[unkempt sleet]

hey look thats me

[dusty trench]

Oh yea

[limber ridge]

No matter where i go, you are always there.

[unkempt sleet]

💃

[dusty trench]

Maybe some importance would come from the games. And well get hints of that in rescue squad view in show. Hints that connect to the games where aarons role is present and even tie him to other media since well, he is basically the center of everything.

And then thats where the movie comes in. Snce it is most likely gonna show and explain more because its Nicky’s perspective.

[limber ridge]

Yeah.

[wanton roost]

And there's

C a rt

[wanton roost]

Also did they say he won't be in season 3

[limber ridge]

Yeah, just let me take a screenshot.

[dusty trench]

can you forward the message

I feel like more people should read the stage play theory document on the timeline of HN, timeloops, an just hiw sci fo hello neighbor really is because this ties many things togethor.

[willow depot]

yuh

Wasn't Abanante the one TO order the hit on Peterson

Trinity overhears her, no?

[ripe berry]

fair

[dusty trench]

and this discussion adding onto stage pla theory and tying it to others.

[dusty trench]

What scene?

[willow depot]

the one where she was thrown tied up in the amusement park, frees herself and then witnesses the forest protectors breaking up the park

s2ep7

[dusty trench]

Oh yea sounds like her

[limber ridge]

@wanton roost and @dusty trench

Cart asks If we will see Aaron and he says not in the AS

[ripe berry]

assuming I copied it right, the Stage Play Theory document from an account that no longer is in HNG
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15H6d6o9x9KPWlWkfTHauWoY91CS6ow3Ay49r169X7NY/edit

[dusty trench]

dang

[dusty trench]

yeah thats the doc

[limber ridge]

I've been trying to find some other hn Lore docs or theory docs but haven't had much succes. Do You know any others than stage play?

[dusty trench]

no unfortuanatly

[limber ridge]

Ok.

[marsh idol]

i dunno about henry cavil being theo

[low kite]

Same, he looks too young for the Neighbor.

[ripe berry]

there's one that's outdated

[dusty trench]

Maybe Nick Offerman tho could be Theo instead of him being Keith. I mean Alex dream of that.

[limber ridge]

What's it about?

[dusty trench]

Looking again that is actually a litte true

[ripe berry]

just a summary of the lore pre-HN2

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcAI9lMucsQW_4F-20n6OdBkCnRdKZ0Ku4qTB6kpi20/edit

it's outdated but works fine as an introduction for newcomers

[limber ridge]

I find it interesting that the Tavishes funded the mayak project. Besides the fact it has no use to them, the devices they use are the cause of the strange weather, so it'd be clear they'd get close to figuring them out.

[marsh idol]

i agree on this one

[wanton roost]

i wonder how thatll work if aaron is a big part of it

[ripe berry]

I wonder if the devices were actually made after the weather stuff started, but that probably wouldn't work timeline-wise

[limber ridge]

Hmm. Rita Ryland said Roger and Adelle did discover the cause of the weather and she did imply it was the devices. At the same time we know storms are needed. I think Aaron's thoughts on the matter are true, namely the devices need storms but once they are used the storm gets worse.

[neat phoenix]

mabye he ment that we see him in the Movie?

[limber ridge]

Rita is the kids' geography teacher btw, whom Norman himself said he lended her his knowledgde, along with Ike and "a fellow named Roth"(Jay most likely, doubt it's Luanne.

[unkempt sleet]

Old lore new lore...

[dusty trench]

Crazy how she was going to be in the show since she is mentioned in the pilot

[limber ridge]

She was? I forgot that. From Nicky's headpiece right?

[dusty trench]

yep

[dusty trench]

Maybe a movie appearence

[limber ridge]

That's pretty cool. I think Rita is generally an interesting character. I find her whole bunker thing interesting.

[dusty trench]

Oh yea i forgot about that

imagine if Quentin found that bunker in HN2

wouldve been peak

[limber ridge]

Real

And she said it was because she is anticipating like earthquakes If i'm not wrong(the bunker). Which is even more interesting considering in reset day the town is on lock down due to incoming earthquakes if i amn't wrong.

[dusty trench]

Yea when Aaron Enzo Maritza and Trinity went there

[limber ridge]

Guess her conspiracies might have paid off.

[limber ridge]

I know like most of the stuff in there but there are some interesting things, the Tavishes funding the mayak for example, or the multiple neighbor's thing from the... Forums? Wait, which forums exactly is it talking about?

I'm guessing something from the neighbor's notebook right?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea thats from Neighbor's notebook

[dusty trench]

Wait whats from neighbors notebook?

[unkempt sleet]

there's like a section from the book where it's like a forum with RB Citizens discussing stuff

[limber ridge]

Ah ok, so basically not something i have to worry about.

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[dusty trench]

k

[tiny verge]

we got to remember, this was before they changed stuff about the show due to the tremendous failure that is the pilot

[dusty trench]

Probably since Raven Brooks already experienced strange weather patterns that were just natural to the area, the Tavishes who created a grouo called the ravens society created the festival with the raven man symbol to reprsent keeping the storm of pain away. Also because they had so many ravens in town which they gavethe name also because ofthe weather patterns. The ravens society started using symbols of how powerful ravens are to represent how dmart ravens are, and the fact they use the magentic field weather patterns to guide theyre path. They created the town to get more studies on the weather phenomenoms there so they can study the weather patterns, ravens connections to weather. And there is even a lot of symbolism of ravens being connected to life and death and the metaphor of raven symbolizing good omen luck, and bad omen luck. The Raven society put that metahorical and real world knowledge togethor since where most folk lore and metaphorical symbols come from people seen things in natural real life like lightning or a a cat in the middle fo the road at night. And then they make metaphors to try and make sense of it. Which was way more common back then since people back then didnt have teh technology from now, so they passed it dow generations. And it was still common for people back then during that time ro believ that stuff because of ancestors, elders, and stuff they here being apssed down generation. And the internet wasnt a thing the time of raven brooks creation definetly so it makes sense. And considering Missouri is known for its strange weather phenomenoms (which is where raven brooks is located) it makes sense. It even makes sense for later on cultist believe it or wnat to belive it since we know nostalgia is a part of the franchise in many ways. Those bullies, aka younger cultist. They led into believing this lie because of how luring the festival and company was. It was like a mask that tricks you. But really it just ruins people.

[dusty trench]

They can become mentally unstable, they faer trauma, and they can become monsters. And thats what happened to those kids. Mis guided, led the wrong way. Even with Mr. Peterson too. He faced a lot of trauma. Seen his brother fall down a hole. Parents missing and presumed dead. Friend murdered. Family dead. But he still became a monster in peoples eyes. Instead of turning his life around,it turned sideways. He masked himself from his emotions. Just wants to live in a reality where he has everything. Which led him to madness, control, and soon became greedy like the people he fears most. Hiding incidents of his park failures, and running away from his problems which only became worse then. Later on becoming scared, thinking the cult is put for him, that they cursed him. So later on tha led him to wanting control, so he can get the life he wants, instead of facing the consequences. We see this with his obsession with hisinvestigation on the cult, weather, time. And his experiemnts, always distant from the family. Which only led to an akward and abusive relationship with his family. Taking his anger out on his son, mental breakdowns, and he continues to do his investigations. Only thing driving him in forward is getting to his goal, that he dosnt realize isnt worth it. Indirectly, he became like them. The drive of getting the life he used to have, all that anticipation, only made things worse for his family, others, and himself in the end.

But going back on topic

The ravens society used the weather devices called luck devices since they have already been using metaphors like the raven man and cultural tales related to the town traditions (also the stuff i mentioned above). But then the Tavishes and Ravens society became more curious in how to control weather in a way of how to make weather. So they wanted to advance theyre devices. Slowly, they became more eager for control, and that led to greed. There research led the weong way. And the festival became a corporate, no longer what it was before. Soon enough, the symbol of the raven man would instead bring the storm upon the people in town. The ravens society tried to get in contact with people outside of town familiar with meteorology so they ca slowly unlock the secret power of what they are trying to achieve. And they were getting theyre money from the golden apple comapny, festival sales. And when they got contact, Roger and Adele came to town and there weather station started, and work began. The money Tavishes were getting from the golden apple company and festival sales, they began funding Roger and Adele to keep there trust, so they ca get closer to theyre goal. They tried studying Roger and Adeles work and science, but Roger and Adele began to catch onto what was really going on. The Tavishes were worried about them discovering the cult and theyre true plans, so they began causing storms in town with Roger and Adeles technology. And when Roger and Adele went to jail, they later on went missing and presumed dead so no one would care about that anynore. Problem was, they didnt fully understand the technology of the weather station, which is why storms were hectic and out of control, and they have even done storm attacks afterwards for years. Guidning the weather in many ways to experiment, but they didnt have full control. One of the previous storm attacks happened on a halloween.

Three kids. A kid in a Raven man costume, a boy in a pumpkin scare crow costume, and a girl named Gerda in a alien costume.

[dusty trench]

Luckily for the cult, three kids got missing in a forest. Gerda ended up at the weathr station, and encountered the cult members doing the work. She seen everything. The devices, the weather machines. The cult found her, and took her friends. They odered her to gather other kids in town to help sacrifice someonefor them to prove they are worthy. If not, her and her friends will be killed. She was ordered to leave, and officer Keith found her. She was taken to a hospital, she was unresponsive because of the fear she experienced while in the storm, and witnessing the cult. It is also a possibilty that her friends got taken by the storm and then the cult excountered her and forced her to do the job, only because we dont know those kids identity. Or one of the kids was forced to the job lf sacrificing someone, and the kids git rescueed one by one. Gerda first, then the others since they were lost in the weather station. Or each kid it took a lot of convincing since they were scared so theyw ere held captive longer (I like to think The Guets kid was kept the longest since the costume lol). But I say Gerda and the other kids either held captive or dead because of the info we have rn. But anyoways, more kids get gathered foimg the bully group we see in AS. For years have been investigating the weathwr station and beng delusioned into looking up to the cult. And the Theo who used to sneak oit to the weather station with his friend Ike but now afraid to go there because of the storms that occured and his parents going missing. Andall of the situations that happened and also the fact that no one likes Riger and Adele so him going there and getting caught he’s afraid of being the blame for the storms ongoimg even afterwards. But Theo loooked up to his parents and wanted to be an engineer. He was facinated by his parents tech, and even the structure of the weather station and hiw stuff is engineered.

[limber ridge]

The idea of the cultists guidibg crows/ravens through magnetic waves is really cool.

[limber ridge]

I wouldn't say Peterson ever became greedy.

[dusty trench]

He wanted to join his school inventors club, his older brother Franklin being the one to protect and watch over him since thre parents are gone, and even there parents where always at work so thy werent around much, but Theo was still interested in the robotics and engineering. But the bullies say befire he joins the club that he has to pass the entrance test. And that is going to the weather station. They probably already know Theo since the tow is small and basically everyone knows each other, while of course heavy secrets are kept in such a town like this. And so they probably know his fear of going there so they taunt him in this moment and push him to going. He decides to go and his brother of course is going to come becae he knows sething isnt right. They head to the weather station and of course the bullies having more knowledge on the place, they turn the lights off and cause thunder and lightning outside. Franklin protects his brother but then they get into a hige scuffle and get hurt. Soon enough, Franklin falls gets shor into the hole, and that would make him there sacrifice. But luckily for the cult, him falling down that hole of the laser beam, unlocked a glimpse at the full potential of the power of the weather station. So powerful, the bullies git scared and were in shock. At first they think they caused something bad, which they did, but not for the cult. They gaslighted those bullies into thinking that they did something amazing. And led them to being just like them. The situations of these storms and other contaversey, led to the raven man festival being a symbol of fear, pain, suffering, dead, bad luck. The festival didmt give anyone hope, the symbol didnt work well, the storm kept coming. A false promises for years.

[dusty trench]

I mean, he disregarded safety features to make it kore fun which shiws laziness. And after all the accidents he ran away. Sure it was an act of fear and not wanting to get caught. He tpok the kiney and bailed, didnt pay concequence for his mistakes, and kept making attractions afterwards. Each one getting worse. Of course that going ti shape the inae of greed, bit even if its an act of fear it still tells us a lot about him. Even his arrogance shows with him disregarding safety features. That shows him getting too caught up in the business and success more than safety. And those incidents only led him to the path hes on later.

[limber ridge]

I believe that was like mistly retconned, but it doesn't show greed exactly eitherway.

[dusty trench]

Afk for a bit

[dusty trench]

Wait, why do you say retconned

[limber ridge]

It's mostly the cult to blame on the GAAP incident, not only did the mayor not give him enough time, the cult used devices to curse the park.

[dusty trench]

Oh im not talking GAAP

im talking his other parks

[limber ridge]

Oh.

I'm pretty sure not just one person works on making rides in any case. Plus i believe there are parts in the Aaron triliogy where it's said he was unlucky on who he worked with. But my memory is misted on that so take it with a grain of salt.

[dusty trench]

I think thats reffering to GA

[dusty trench]

also, would retcon be the right word to describe that

[limber ridge]

I mean kinda. Everything is canon but that doesn't mean there aren't any retcons. Even Alex implied some stuff won't work together.

[dusty trench]

Wait can you pull up where he said that because I think I remember sum like that

[limber ridge]

I'll try. You want screenshots or forwarding?

[dusty trench]

dont matter

[limber ridge]

K

[dusty trench]

also after you do this, how do people just find messges so fast to forward

[limber ridge]

There's this, which more likely refers to the guest's origin. Still.

[dusty trench]

Wait

wht if stage play theory can tie to that

[limber ridge]

Also this, it implied there are untieable differences between mediums.

I'm trying to find one where he said the series does its own thing, i think that has the same meaning.

[limber ridge]

True.

[limber ridge]

The video i sent should help
In those regards.

[dusty trench]

wait can you do it in browser?

[limber ridge]

Um. I'm not sure. Can You like send me a screenshot on how the format looks?

[limber ridge]

Try clicking/pressing on where it says "Lore discussion in the up.

[dusty trench]

Btw I was just asking since I was curious

that just shows the description

I’m on app now

[limber ridge]

Ah ok. Just press on the search bar from the top right then.

Okay this isn't really related to the Lore.

[dusty trench]

K thank you

[limber ridge]

Bye for now

[dusty trench]

alr see yah

[limber ridge]

Now that i think about, in the series the guest does likely only become a thing in the present to be honest. There is that one statement where we learn it isn't a flashback, but ppl can get around it and say it will be a retelling. However, we also know we learn exactly how the guest comes to be and If it would only be a retelling, we wouldn't see it nor get the exact story. Also that the whole show is building up toward it, that would feel weird if it's just a retelling.

[tiny verge]

tbh I hate that the show is becoming the "origins of the Guest"

the idea is stupid

it's most certainly going to be my least favorite thing about the show

the idea that the Guest has just

been around

that's way cooler and makes the Guest way more mysterious, to not have an actual told origin

but now it kinda just seems like they want to force all the answers and kill any interpretations that say otherwise

[scarlet sandal]

Well I think it will be interesting only because the guest is probably the theodore’s brother in the show right?

So it would be cool to see them interact

[tiny verge]

I would hate that

I don't want the Guest being just some dude

or being some character we haven't seen yet, or a character we have seen

I started getting back into this franchise because I thought they had added a crow man, a cryptid to Raven Brooks

I much prefer this more fantasy feel because it gave the franchise more of a folklore feel

and the whole perspectives thing quite literally adds onto it as well, as well as the metaphors the franchise does

it was way more unique

[marsh idol]

not only is there like, 0 possible ways that can even happen

it's just horrible writing

and makes no sense

the Guest terrorizes Theo, why would his own brother terrorize him

plus we literally know the Guest existed when Theo and Franklin were kids and possibly even before they were born, he's an urban legend

Franklin is dead. and it makes no sense for him to be the Guedt

and it would literally just be boring, i rather the Guest turn out to be an actual humanoid raven; him being just some random that we never seen before is a horrible reveal

[scarlet sandal]

If Franklin is just “dead” and nothing else then why not just let him fall into the hole and leave it at that

What would be the point of the entire pink laser beam scene

[marsh idol]

because he fell into a hole and got vaporized by the laser??

a DEEP pit btw

so even without the laser he would’ve splattered and died.

thats literally to convey Peterson’s trauma

[scarlet sandal]

We’ll see bro but I have a feeling we’ll see more of him

[marsh idol]

no..in flash backs yes

but not in the present

hes, dead.

the whole laser thing is part of MAYAK’s technology overriding, and the shadow thay emerged from the laser is metaphorical for Theo only

and him being the Guest is just lorewise false

[scarlet sandal]

Isn’t the lore different from the games and books

The neighbor didn’t even have a brother in the games and books

[marsh idol]

all canon

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah but it’s different time lines

Or am I getting something incorrect

[marsh idol]

different perspectives

[scarlet sandal]

Cus Nicky didn’t seem to know Aaron at all in the show

And in the books and games he did

[marsh idol]

what shows he didn’t

[scarlet sandal]

He didn’t say his name even once

You would think he would mention his friend who mysteriously disappeared

[marsh idol]

doesnt mean much, at the moment hes focused on Peterson’s basement

youre not wrong to suggest he could’ve suspected Aaron was inside his basement

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah true, it’s even weirder when you watch the pilot though

And Aaron is mentioned like 100 times

[scarlet sandal]

So you want the guest to be like a pennywise type character? I can see the appeal in that

[marsh idol]

if you meant shapeshifter i’m pretty sure he just meant he wanted the Guest to be a humanoid crow

[tiny verge]

no, like a big foot

it's not supernatural either and could work just well with the "no supernatural"

[scarlet sandal]

Nah I just meant like a supernatural menance to Raven brook

[marsh idol]

yea definitely not

[tiny verge]

yeah humanoid crow

it's just a way cooler more mysterious vibe than "oh we're gonna reveal who the Guest is soon, and he's just a guy btw"

[limber ridge]

I disagree there.

[tiny verge]

I'm sorry but I hate the whole idea that he's someone disguised

it's a dumb cliche

I hated the Peterguest lore for that reason

it's always been a pet peeve of mine (or however the phrase goes)

[limber ridge]

And i dislike the idea that it's some bird creature.

[tiny verge]

look all I'm gonna say

my hype's kinda died

for both the show and HN3

I didn't want them to go back to that idea but it looks like they are

the Guest was kinda what made me come back to the franchise and already they're changing him

feels less special now

Peterson's atleast cool though

[scarlet sandal]

I’m getting the feeling that ur a big fan of the books

[tiny verge]

it's not even just that

I loved the idea that Quentin stumbled apon a cult that worshipped this creature who was clearly not human

that Raven Brooks has alot more to it than just Peterson

obviously Peterson's a big vocal point of the story and the main attraction

but for world building reasons I absolutely loved what HN2 was doing

and I really feel making the Guest look less like a costume and sound alot more realistic in Patch 9 really only cemented the idea that Raven Brooks is not an ordinary town

it is completely corrupted

the books expand on the idea but it wasn't the books that interested me in this

but it feels like with what I've heard about what Nikita's said, and how the show is apparently gonna be the origins of the Guest

I've completely lost interest in it

it just doesn't have that same unique feel as I got with HN2

it's clinging onto ideas without being able to accept that game development changes, the Guest being nothing but a costume didn't work in Hello Guest and HN2 Alpha 1, it doesn't work now especially after they've introduced the entire idea of the cult which only hyped up the Guest more

[marsh idol]

exactly

[limber ridge]

I never liked the "beast" theory because it makes his identity just...weightless. in fact, this way there is no identity. That and with the "no supernatural" statements it just feels like a fake out. "Ooh gotcha not supernatural but scifi"

[marsh idol]

there's no hype around his identity being some random guy we never seen before

[tiny verge]

let me just say it this way

I do not like when someone hypes me up for a character

only to tell me "oh, but the twist is, he's actually A NEW CHARACTER YOU AIN'T SEEN BEFORE!"

you can't just get me hooked on one idea

and then deliver a whole new one

[limber ridge]

We do not yet know If it's a new character though

[tiny verge]

if it's not a new character, then it still feels just as cheap

Franklin..? that's just stupid

[limber ridge]

I agree

[limber ridge]

Also agree

[tiny verge]

and a cliche

[marsh idol]

i don't understand? and for the super natural statements, that doesn't apply to folklore creatures

it'll feel more appealing and surprising that he infact is actually a humanoid crow standing out from every single other person

[tiny verge]

the fact Raven Brooks would have something like Big Foot to begin with

[marsh idol]

yes we don't, but the idea that he's just another human playing as the supposed main antagonist it doesn't feel appealing to see who he truly is

[tiny verge]

and what's worse

the concept only works for Peterson

because he's in hiding

plus, he's the main guy

[marsh idol]

it's very predictable he's going to be one of the characters we don't care about

[tiny verge]

it makes more sense when the Guest is Peterson than if it was anyone else

[marsh idol]

like "oh! this person he's actually the guest!" and it's someone nobody cares about

[tiny verge]

that's the biggest reason why I want that concept scrapped and left to rot

Peterson's not the Guest anymore

it can't work now

[marsh idol]

and it can't be peterson anymore either way

[limber ridge]

Those are different things. The message of yours i was responding to was the one where You said specifically about if his identity was some random guy we've never seens before.

[tiny verge]

the hype for someone else now that wouldn't be the same like when everyone was theorizing him to be Peterson

[tiny verge]

it's the only one that can work, that's the thing

Franklin is dead

[marsh idol]

yes and i replied to that too.

[tiny verge]

the cult all worship the Guest

none of the kids as of now know about the Guest

Aaron was locked in the basement

[limber ridge]

Certainly not in the message it showed You were replying to.

[tiny verge]

the only one I could see is him being the MITH since he was a forgotten character

but even then the only thing they've done with him is put a few easter eggs of him

Man In The Hat being the Guest would also be cheap

[marsh idol]

i agreed we don't know if it's a new character? and i said none the less it wouldn't be appealing if it's a new character or not

aka a human.

[tiny verge]

anyone who isn't Peterson doesn't work
both for lore reasons, and just as an idea in general

and well, Peterson can't be the Guest anymore

because the lore changed so much

[marsh idol]

the reveal of the guest is either satisfying or just boring

[tiny verge]

I feel if he's not just the cryptid being lurking Raven Brooks

he's gonna be extremely boring and cliche

like it already feels predictable now

I already went through why literally nobody works as the Guest, so it has to be someone new

[limber ridge]

That really depends on who it is

[tiny verge]

ok answer me this

who the hell even could be the Guest

unless it's someone we know getting Sci-fied into becoming the Guest (which goes against what Nikita said about the Guest just being some dude) I do not think any character that we have seen at all can be the Guest

[eager island]

when did nikita say guest is some guy

just being curious

[limber ridge]

One thing is who exactly he îs, another is what their reasons for doing guest stuff are.

[tiny verge]

I'd have to look

[tiny verge]

I don't really care what the reasons are

that's the thing

[limber ridge]

Do You remember the channel or some words in his statement?

[tiny verge]

I don't

care

if he has some motive

I don't

because that's not the character I was hyped for

[tiny verge]

no because it is something you need to take with a grain of salt, since I've mostly heard it from another

but it's from a guy that I trust with HN stuff

[limber ridge]

I am not trying to convince you to change your opinion. I am stating mine. And i certainly do care for his motivation, If You don't that's fine by me.

[tiny verge]

it's not that I don't care about the Guest's motivations

[dusty trench]

Well that’s the issue. Alex is building up the series as if it’s the origin of The Guest. Saying things like you’ll see exactly how The Guest comes to be. Which would be an interesting plot, but the raven man festival and symbol has been around longer we know that for sure. We just need an identity. And what is the series gonna show of Guest cause is it identity or like, the concept of his character to make more sense. Or both, we don’t know.

[tiny verge]

but it's just that if he ISN'T the Guest, and is someone else
then I don't care anymore

that's not what everything felt like it was leading up to

[limber ridge]

Well yeah, i worded it incorectly. What i meant was i care If he has motives.

[tiny verge]

oh yeah there's that too

[marsh idol]

that's what i was confused on IF the guest existed since Theo and Franklin were kids, the guest becoming who he is in the show would basically say he wasn't always there

[limber ridge]

The character who is the guest would be the guest.

[tiny verge]

the big thing I liked about the Guest is that he represented the symbol of Raven Brooks

how the symbol got corrupted

and twisted into something it originally wasn't

[tiny verge]

no, no it wouldn't

just because they'd canonically be under the beak

that does not make them the same character

their characterizations would not be the same

they would not be the same character

it'd be replacing one character with a brand new one that alot of us didn't even want

[limber ridge]

I'm not sure what exactly You mean here?

[tiny verge]

how HN2, and the books present the Guest

[limber ridge]

Again, no one knows If it's brand new

[tiny verge]

is far different from how he's being hyped up right now

[tiny verge]

it can't be a character we already know

I already gone by them all

[limber ridge]

The book presented the guest very vaguely.

Hn2 wasn't much different.

[tiny verge]

have you ever looked into sound design

genuine question

I have, I pay attention to that stuff alot because I myself am trying to learn this kind of stuff

if you have, please play Patch 9's forest section

the sounds the Guest has are intentionally different from the Alphas, Betas, and from Secret Neighbor

[limber ridge]

Not too much.

[tiny verge]

ok, then can I explain where I'm going with all of this

[limber ridge]

Sure, go ahead.

[tiny verge]

here is a sound effect I personally ripped from the files of Hello Neighbor 2

I did have to name them all myself, so the names I present are not accurate to the original file names, but the point remains

and here is Secret Neighbor/Beta

I cannot confirm if the name is accurate either

one sounds alot more natural, more intentionally crow-like

[dusty trench]

It would mean he was there metaphorically, cause the festival and the cult revolving around it. But they could pull like a bird creature in universe to add to the sci fi, an experiment on someone that we know (most likely know maybe), or new. Also consider Guest has a long tongue that is not always noticeable. Or be a character who we know, has been around for a long time. And the stuff of Guest being suit like that representation in S&R, and even the festival, was a way to hide his identity and make him more metaphorical. And that can connect to stage lay theory, and even why he is in the intro of HN2. They could pull a really sci fi time plot which makes sense considering all of the sci fi stuff, time representation, and even the books with Norman as a main example. Which honestly would make sense for the type of story they are going for. And we know parts of stage play is true because of Norman. He clearly knows the future, which can hint at a time loop in a way already occurring way before HE. And in a way time travel in a way (not fully we don’t have much info on that). Even Mr. Peterson has been shown in the books to know what’s going to happen in the future. Also would make sense on his knowledge of time in HE.

They can go many ways with this.

And mix some stuff together

[limber ridge]

Sorry, but there You are just kind of assuming. Unless You work on hn2, you can have an idea on it, but You can't know for sure.

[tiny verge]

this combined with the fact that the books actually have a depiction of the Guest without the outfit, plus the whole Raven Brooks symbol

[dusty trench]

Yea, even in S&R. Deeply metaphorical in the way the portray him and his character, which some parts make sense.

[tiny verge]

you're supposing that I should like...disregard this entire point despite everything before now, and after the Peterguest retcon implying something completely different from what's getting implied now

I'm just gonna say it

as someone who's been learning writing

studying how these things work

if the Guest isn't the cryptid bird man

and is actually someone in a costume

that's terrible writing, and terrible presentation

no amount of metaphors can save that from being terrible

it wouldn't even be like HN1 where the story is good, but the presentation isn't

no this would just be terrible all the way through

[limber ridge]

Peterguest retcons doesn't imply anything for the Lore. It only tells us Peterson is no longer guest.

[limber ridge]

Sorry Man.

Can't agree.

[tiny verge]

and I'm saying this from a perspective of someone who's been developing their own lore for a while now

this, atleast in my opinion

is not how you handle a franchise

not how you handle a story

[dusty trench]

At the end of they day, everyone has there own opinion. I mean, it’s not like all of HN’s story is horrible. So many characters to work with.

[tiny verge]

and not how you should handle a character that has so much hype built around him, yet hasn't been fully given to us for years just cause the damn TinyBuild CEO refused to let Eerie Guest Studios use the Guest until the show started getting released

I'm looking at this viewpoint from the fact that we have not had the Guest fully delivered to us

for years

Patch 9 is the closest we got, and yet there's an entire act that was cut and scrapped

and would not have if the CEO did not force EGS to wait for the damn show

[limber ridge]

For me the hype of the guest was always around who is behind the beak, and why? Any sort of creature, while could have a good why, doesn't cut the who part to me.

[tiny verge]

back during the Hello Guest days

sure

there was hype for who was behind the beak

but things had changed as they do with game development

[marsh idol]

so how does the forest protectors get the idea of manipulating the storm because of the raven man

[tiny verge]

the Guest you see in the alpha is not the same concept as the Guest you see in Patch 9

nor is it even the same concept as the Betas

that stuff changes

what this feels like is going "oh, no we shouldn't have changed" but it feels way too late to just

revert back to an abandoned concept

[dusty trench]

@marsh idol Read all of these text boxes. Even the ones after those messages not by me in the middle.

[tiny verge]

these aren't alphas anymore, these aren't betas anymore

the only one that has this justification is HN3 and even then I'm not gonna like the Guest in the full product if he really is just a guy in a costume

nothing about the Guest is human yet we're supposed to be hyped about finding out who it is

I'm not buying it, not one bit

I think it was a scrapped concept for a reason

the hype generated around such a character only for it to just not be the character we think

that's not a good plot twist

[marsh idol]

so this pretty much contradicts the idea of the guest being a humanoid crow

i kinda liked the idea he was in the backgrounds still when Theo and Franklin were kids but now it's most likely he's a human

that's entirely changed now so i'm more mixed on the guest

[tiny verge]

I'm telling you, how the Guest was depicted post-retcon pointed in an entirely different direction, and if they didn't ever mean to make the Guest feel more naturally like a crow

[limber ridge]

And the reason doesn't have to be "nah human identity sucks". It can range from that specific identity sucked or they found a better idea for the identity to they don't want it to be human as well. There's a variety here.

[tiny verge]

they did a shit job telling us

[tiny verge]

what's the point in making him not be a cryptid bird man

but also not being human

again, if this is what they intended

they did a shit job at it

nothing of what they have done feels like there's a secret identity to this thing and I'm saying that with confidence

[limber ridge]

That isn't what i meant. Rather, i said the reason, Peterguest, for exemple was scrapped doesn't necesarily have to be that they don't want a human guest.

[tiny verge]

if this many people can be convinced that the Guest is just a crow man, no matter what some may say

and yet they intended on him having an identity

then that's shit

you can't just do something like that and expect everyone to think it's great story telling

nobody thought it until Hello Neighbor 3 did that damned cutscene that never should've existed

and honestly, my biggest reasoning for believing this direction was shifted

[limber ridge]

Didn't like most people think the thing was like a real creature upon release? Does that mean the storytelling of hn1 sucked?

[tiny verge]

when Nikita left, Hello Neighbor 2 changed entirely

ENTIRELY

the Guest was depicted different than how Nikita portrayed him

and yet, the moment he comes back

everything just reverts

I get he's the creator, but there's a thing called evolving

franchises do it all the time

[tiny verge]

the thing about that is the books actually elaborated on what was going on

and the books..?

the books were good

everything made more sense

and then Nikita explained things even more

things clicked more

but with this

this isn't compatible

[limber ridge]

The books elaborated on The Thing?

[tiny verge]

Nikita I mean

I literally name dropped him in that

see, Nikita knows Hello Neighbor 1

he created the entire concept after all

he wrote most of HN1

[limber ridge]

You said the books elaborated on The Thing.

[tiny verge]

I said "elaborated on what was going on"

I did not mention the Thing

[limber ridge]

Oh yeah. Mb

[tiny verge]

I was talking in general

cause the presentation of HN1 was shit, I'm not gonna lie to you

it was really bad

but atleast when you do get what was meant to be happening

it all does click

because it's still the same direction

but Hello Neighbor 2 had a change in direction and stayed like that until Nikita came back and Hello Neighbor 3 was announced

not even RBO either

when HN3 was announced, that's when the direction changed yet again

only this time it's changing who the Guest is

[limber ridge]

.

[tiny verge]

this isn't evolving

this is devolving

we're going backwards

[limber ridge]

It's not always for the best.

[tiny verge]

HN2 left the concept behind

[limber ridge]

No, no, i wasn't saying it's evolving

[tiny verge]

and it's not always for the best to try and force an old piece of lore back, here's why

things changed

it revolved around the new concept for the Guest

then Nikita comes back

and doesn't go with this change

and then he has that cutscene in HN3 happen

this brought back an old concept that the modern lore was not revolved around

it's not compatible

[dusty trench]

How does it contradict? They could’ve gotten the raven man’s design from skulls of huge raven creatures they found. Maybe they seen those skulls, one of there ideas could’ve been bringing the raven man back, or Guest could’ve already existed at that time. And that could’ve built there curiosity’s more. A theory could be that the cult attempted to bring these creatures back to life. But they used a human to bring it back with an experiment. And that’s why he is more intelligent, and creature. But he takes out his rage because he was used for an experiment, and he didn’t want to become this. So he hates the cult, and is now very dangerous and filled with the and anger. Slowly becoming animalistic. He retaliates quick, like we se with Quentin. And he has a goal, we just don’t know it. And no, it’s not submitting himself to cult.

[limber ridge]

Just type the whole message so i can see where you're going before typing smth that makes no sense a few seconds later

[tiny verge]

it's like when you rescore something but it's an entirely different vibe

[tiny verge]

why should I change the way I've typed for years

[dusty trench]

AFK for a while

[tiny verge]

with nobody in my friend group having problems with it

just cause you do

[limber ridge]

I said why.

[limber ridge]

Ok ok.

[tiny verge]

how something is put together can fall apart when you change even just one aspect

that's why retcons suck alot of times

[limber ridge]

That's prolly on me

[tiny verge]

but when it's an alpha..? sure

things are gonna change

but when it's actually released..?

no, just no

don't start changing stuff like that

[marsh idol]

that's just a theory that the forest protectors are trying to bring these creatures back to life. i'm not fond of the idea that the guest is a experimental creature, it just feels off. if he was just the last of his kind that scavenged throughout ravenbrook history it would be more appealing to me.

it just feels out of place now that he could be a humanoid crow creature; a experiment just seems way off then what HN is aiming for in their universe

[tiny verge]

the modern lore just doesn't work with the old depiction of the Guest but whatever, it's likely happening now

so regardless of what anyone says

I'm not gonna like it

I always felt the idea sucked

and was much happier with what HN2 did

but clearly the people in charge don't agree

and are just sweeping all of that to the side to bring back something I did not like

that's why I've lost my hype for all of this

I want abandoned scrapped ideas to stay gone

[dusty trench]

That’s also possible for him to be the last of his kind. He got that rage because the cult is mocking his symbol later on, worshipping him so he sees them as pitty. And the ravens society based the design of the raven man for the festival off the creature they seen. As time went on with the cult backing his symbol, he gains rag and anguish. He hides away since he is the last of his kind, he doesn’t trust or understand the humans. Maybe humans in the past killed his race, so he hates them. But he can sense some humans have emotion and will help them, like Aaron. And maybe even he was guiding Quentin in HN2 in a way, but Quentin broke his trust without him knowing so Guest sees i him just like other humans. Or the can go with his race was extinct, he’s the last of his kind, and he’s hiding became he doesn’t understand the human’s. But he hates the cult because of the stuff he has done cuz they mock him. Slowly over time as he has been hiding in the background, he try’s getting a hold of a human. Aaron. But over time leading up to AS season 3 and what he experienced with Quentin, he sees all humans as pity, and I trust worthy (except maybe Aaron who knows). And that can be what Alex mean by you’ll see how Guest coms to be, or that Guest origin isn’t a flashback. Before hand he didn’t retaliate much out of anger, he wasn’t as aggressive, he hid more in the background. But since then after all that happened for years, he gained the character of Guest we see in HN2. More angry, animalistic, rage. He lost it.

And he hides in the background but has more dark intentions, like Quentin, and the cult.

[limber ridge]

Trinity is actually retelling the AS in her death bed, death which is caused by an illness made in the mayak. That is why her memories are so good and how mayak ties into it. Call me dual proccess theory because i just solved wtrb.

/j

Okay but here's a genuine theory, on hn3, what if the characters are supposed to represent a certain aspect of Raven Brooks or even just history, storytelling, etc. The guest, represents twisting of history, like in that other theory. Theodore could represent a character that is blamed or a goatscape, etc. Then maybe the protagonist can represent the storyteller itself. At the same time they can be a true character too, just characters that symbolise stuff.

[dusty trench]

I like this theory. Can also tie into the way they look. Showing different aspects and elements of the town and its existence. Why everyone being shown with blue or cream skin is because the people outside of raven brooks views it as a ghost town, an people make rumors about it and probably think everyone is crazy, so there mindsets metaphorically are portraying there looks as different colored skin, long arms long legs, with short body. Even the people inside pictures like of the in the museum depicting the festivals back then have people with different colored skin. It’s interpreting it as that because of rumors, first glimpse of the town, how they encounter the people in town, etc.

[limber ridge]

Thx.

[dusty trench]

Your welcome

[limber ridge]

I'm wondering If there are any theories on who Enzo signed up for seismic testing in reset day? Since there's a mention of him signing someone on it without their permission, before he disappeared?

[dusty trench]

Wait, it could mean the cult is still around in reset day. And that a cult member kidnapped Enzo.

[limber ridge]

Maybe.

[dusty trench]

There is hints of that in the book, with a mark of the raven man being burned onto wood.

Also if Guest took Enzo, it would make more sense for him to just kill him, or try to like Quentin.

Idk if they would kill of Enzo, it is possible. If so, either Guest or cult.

And in that time period the past cult members like Mayor, Gerda, Leslie, Abenante, Gordan, Otto, Dale, most defiantly aren’t alive (some of them could be alive like the younger one’s Gerda, Mayor, Leslie, Abenante, but well have to see).

They can be trying to get rid of every last person who knows about raven brooks, the cult, its past, and the secrets, and anyone tied to it or has a connection in some way where they can learn the past. And maybe the cult is constructing the time loop on reset day. They try to get get info on people who have been around for a long time, or even try to make them cult members like forcing them to do stuff. Just finishing the old cultist work. But trying to erase any evidence of the past, by eliminating people they do know, getting info out of people who have been around for a while. And o forcing them to do work for them, like giving info on someone or something, like forcefully getting info out of them so they can kill or get a hold of that person. Since they are from the past, or know a lot about the towns secrets.

[dusty trench]

And they are trying to get rid of people and use these time loops that not everyone realizes so they can bring back the golden apple company and bring back the festival and get more people into the trap. But they eliminate everyone who knows the tricks behind there company luring first. And that can be what we see in HN3, since time has some symbolism in HN3 with the gameplay obviously, it can be story too. That the town is in a time loop constructed by the cult. And this is the true beginning of the golden apple company and festivals returning after getting rid of people who know the truth. Doesn’t mean that Enzo Nicky, or Maritza are dead, maybe they left town. Since they got over there problems, why would they need to bother anymore. They played there part, they don’t need to be traumatized anymore.

[limber ridge]

That makes a lot of sense.

[dusty trench]

Thanks

I just came up with that when you mentioned the Enzo thing

[polar epoch]

I thought the guest did

[polar epoch]

There has to be a reason

And also

Act 2 may take place after the full game

[limber ridge]

Like after hn2? But Aaron is in the basement during act 2.

He unlocks the protagonist.

[polar epoch]

No I am talking about Patch 9 update

Church

And mill

[limber ridge]

Maybe, but i think patch 9 was after hn2, basically a compactified version of the story continuation. I vaguely remember something confirming or implying that.

[polar epoch]

That’s what I said

That it’s after

[limber ridge]

Oh You were talking about act 2 from hn2?

[polar epoch]

Yes I am not talking at all about HN1

Only HN2

[limber ridge]

Now that i think about it, the fact that luck devices existed before mayak could have been retconned, Since the mayak has been described as where it all begins.

[ripe berry]

some of the characters in HN3 actually have ages now lol
Isaac is 10
and Theodore is 85 (iirc)

[limber ridge]

Yeah. Also Nikita said date wouldn't be important, for RBO at around that time too. Since it changed, the ageless thing did too, since they were seemingly related.

[ripe berry]

or
hear me out
the tunnels seem almost like a mineshaft and are directly connected to the Mayak
and iirc one of the designs for a Luck Device has some crystal thing
and let's not forget the Gemstones from Book 7 that seem to allow you to be unaffected by the Time Loops (which HE implies are caused by Weather)

[limber ridge]

So devices still predate mayak?

[ripe berry]

at least to some degree I'd say yes (probably just as the weird crystal things)

[ripe berry]

my thought was like-
after Adelle and Roger find these
and then the cult starts using them

BUT they were already causing weather stuff before the cult could use them

[limber ridge]

Oh. So would the devices be made by Roger and Adelle or Tavish society/ the ravens under this?

[ripe berry]

either/or

[limber ridge]

Ok. I think probably Cult because Roger and Adelle found the devices in nests according to books.

Maybe by mixing mayak Tech and crystals.

[ripe berry]

yeah
also explains the plothole of the Tavishes funding them in the first place

[limber ridge]

And then maybe there is one giant crystal from which all the others are fractured, which is where Frank fell.

[ripe berry]

this depiction for Luck Devices even existed in the AS Pilot (now non-canon)

and the design more-closely matches the description given to the Gemstones in Book 7 with some steampunk-ish dial with the gem in the middle
(we only know this is a Luck Device because AS Pilot was being made during Hello Guest era)

[limber ridge]

Also Peterson showing it to the crows implied the luck device more than anti-time loop gem

[ripe berry]

I will note there's one other Luck Device design in the books (iirc) but... I have no idea what's going on here

[ripe berry]

and since this design hasn't been reused since I'd say the crystal design is the canon one

[wind wagon]

Why isn't the neighbors house big in hello neighbor 2??

[near cosmos]

I guess it was just Nickys bad memorie

[wind wagon]

Could be

but in the show in episode 6 of season 1 when they go to save Nicky its like the one in act 3

[near cosmos]

You mean like, comparing act 2 to hn2 neighbor's house?

[near cosmos]

Oh

[wind wagon]

Yeah

Basically

And in the show when we see Quinton the house is still big

[limber ridge]

Either unreliable memory or metaphors for how helpless and weak the children feel, imo.

[wind wagon]

Again

[near cosmos]

I guess they were just referencing the act 3 house, and showing how Mr Peterson is going mentally insane, representing In a house way lol

[wind wagon]

Yeah

I still think he did build it because he is a architect

[near cosmos]

I agree

[near cosmos]

Idc if it's a dream or a metaphorical thing, itll always be funny waking up and seeing your neighbors house 10 times bigger than the last night

[wind wagon]

Yeah

doesn't he change it every time Nicky breaks in?

[near cosmos]

Yeah, it changes

[limber ridge]

I think it did change but not to the extent in the cartoon or act 2

[near cosmos]

Yeah yeah

[wind wagon]

And why is it small in act one but big in Nickys Diaries?

[near cosmos]

Well it's been a long time since I saw Nicky diaries, I think its just another bad memorie from Nicky since he's now an adult

[wind wagon]

Maybe

[near cosmos]

Wait I might read that wrong

[wind wagon]

Act 3 was a dream

[near cosmos]

Yeah

[wind wagon]

and the house (big Version) in the show was the act 3 house so maybe the whole show is just a dream

Probably not

But maybe

[near cosmos]

Honestly I like to think that everything that happens on the series is just referencing smth or do something metaphorical, but doesn't mean it rlly happened, some events are just shown differently but doesn't affect the original story, (I guess)

[wind wagon]

Are any of the books cannon?

Like really.

[near cosmos]

If I'm not wrong they are cannon

[wind wagon]

It seems like a lot wasnt

Not the comics tho, right?

Those can't be.

[near cosmos]

I just heard someone saying that it was confirmed that everything is cannon, I'm not going to spread misinformation so you can just asks to another person

[near cosmos]

Which comics?

Oh

Like the Bosco bay?

And the Raven Brooks disaster?

[wind wagon]

@near cosmos yeah

[wind wagon]

Yes those

[near cosmos]

I've seen timelines of thoses comics, probably canon too

Frigged looks like a smart guy

Lets ask him

[wind wagon]

Okey

[near cosmos]

I'm scared to ping him nvm

[wind wagon]

They probably arent

I'm going to stick with that

[near cosmos]

No I mean like pinging them and not liking at all

And trap us in a basement

[ripe berry]

the one thing that I hate about a HN Timeline is that
Act 1 -> VR -> Act 2 -> HN2 -> HE feels correct
but then there's this single 4th wall break in the credits of HE that implies it's before HNVR

[willow depot]

There's no way it possibly could be though

Maybe search and rescue is just a thing they said and they are tryna use the "[x] and [x]" scheme again

Except it comes out lame

[ripe berry]

it does help that HE and HNVR were in development around the same time so it could've been a case where they were trying to put a teaser for the next game into HE, but HNVR beat HE to the punch

[willow depot]

Fair

HN is just self-aware like that

Case in point error world, AS being filled to the brim with the phrase "Hello, Neighbor"

[ripe berry]

I mean the main story was virtually a sideplot compared to Error World at first

[willow depot]

Pretty much

[ripe berry]

Error World was something they stuck with from Alpha 3 ALL the way until the final release
meanwhile they last second changed the main plot from Father/Son to what we know now

[willow depot]

Imagine doing Error World in the Act 3 map with the Father and Son plot

Dad actually just dips to get the milk lol 😭🙏

[ripe berry]

most of HN1 was implemented into the game in only 4 months

[ripe berry]

(that's how long there was between Beta 3 and the final release)

[willow depot]

Ngl it would be really creepy if the neighbor disappeared from the game fully in that case

Imagine going to act finale and he's just not there

The burden house is either hanging on wires and you have to fly to it or is just on the ground in the middle of everything

[ripe berry]

although I do gotta applaud the books for managing to recontextualize basically all remnants of the Father-son plot in HN1

[willow depot]

And furthermore he's not in the Thing boss fight so you're essentially saving nothing

[ripe berry]

(most of the remnants the books recontextualized come from Act 3 since that was the only completed act when the plot was changed)

[willow depot]

What I think DOESN'T deserve applause is trying to tie in pa/a1 plot elements in

I get Theo is portrayed as crazy enough but I think "I made her fly like an angel" or whatever he said is incredibly on the nose

Like not subtle at all

Or the painting thing

Yeah we didn't see much of Franklin but still

[ripe berry]

although if Alex didn't outright say it I don't think people would even realize Franklin's inspired from the Pre-Alpha painting

[willow depot]

Don't they also literally show it in one of the episodes

The painting I mean

[ripe berry]

as a background element yes

[limber ridge]

Well yeah, but most ppl thought it was a reference and prolly wouldn't think otherwise without Alex saying so.

[willow depot]

Feels weird considering the painting was representing God and Devil battling for player's soul (I'm not making this up that's actually the pre-alpha/alpha-1 story premise)

[limber ridge]

It really does. The fact that they look so antagonous to each other in the picture always throws me off.

[ripe berry]

yeah
the coma plot thing

[willow depot]

Funnily enough it wasn't a "coma"

It was like uhh a fake reality thing the devil grabs him in

And that's why the car disappears when neighbor drives off in the scrapped storyline sketch with the utility pole incident

[ripe berry]

yeah at the same time I can see why they changed the Pre-Alpha/Alpha 1 Plotline for the Father/Son Plot

[willow depot]

It was a little bit out there

But I'll still kinda antagonize Alex in my heart ngl

That whole plot shaped the vision of HN back then a lot, take that one big doll from the Kickstarter for example

You know which one.

Or the neighbor doing the see no hear no speak no evil thing except actually doing it because he's evil

Like that Faust book texture was on ever since EARLY GAMEPLAY, that's how deep rooted the narrative is in the ip

Saying on a devgamm that they and Alex "came to a mutual agreement" to scrap EVERYTHING from that kind of feels too shady to take at face value

Even if the HN we got ended up being far better in the long run (even then, that's because they scrapped everything AGAIN last minute lol)

[dusty trench]

It’s never specified, they probably think he did since he is the one strange thing around. And most likely wasn’t Guest texting Piper it was probably a cult member making it seem like they’re The Guest. It would make sense as to why they portray him that way in the book.

[dusty trench]

@polar epoch read this. Even tho this is replying about if Guest could be a creature, it can still answer part of what you said since I was theorizing on what’s possible while trying to make sense of his character.

[dusty trench]

@polar epoch all this one is similar just a little different. Still can answer some of your question.

[dusty trench]

I know

[dusty trench]

@ripe berry I think this can tie into your thing on S&R timeline placement.

[limber ridge]

This is for @wind wagon

From Alex.

I'll try to find Something from Nikita too.

[tiny verge]

Nikita's stated that, but also "but not in the way you think"

[limber ridge]

Yeah, thanks.

👍

[limber ridge]

Also for @wind wagon, it is confusing how they can all be canon, but here Alex somewhat explains. It's perspective.

Also here. Also on a Reddit q&a Alex said the games, books and show are different because some choices make more sense for each adaptation. Yet we also know it isn't a multiverse thing.

[limber ridge]

What happens in the prologues?

[neat phoenix]

Norman Darby was an investigative journalist in 1965 who worked at the Raven Brooks Banner. His boss was Gordon Cleave, who he was afraid of. He went missing that year and rumors spread that he had died in a printing press at an office.

However, he did not die, and after the Golden Apple Amusement Park incident, he gave clues to the Banner that were specifically made for Aaron Peterson to answer. Aaron met him through a puzzle he made, and Norman wanted to keep Aaron and his family safe. Norman also talks to Theodore as well, which Aaron found out. He keeps the devices safe from the Forest Protector society, who, after storms begin, use said devices in rituals to give themselves good luck but give the town bad luck.

Roger and Adelle Peterson told Norman all their secrets, who entrusted his knowledge with others.

Norman's final note he left for Aaron was very vague. It read "The red key will set you free when the time comes. Trust Narf." The people at the Banner got confused on what it meant.

[limber ridge]

Is that story told across both prologues?

[neat phoenix]

Norman Darby is a minor character in Grave Mistakes and main in Puzzle Master

Grave Mistakes Prologue - 1965
Puzzle Master Prologue - 1990

[limber ridge]

Ok. Thx ♥️

[neat phoenix]

Norman Darby otherwise known as The Puzzle Master is a minor character in Hello Neighbor: Grave Mistakes and a main character in Hello Neighbor: Puzzle Master.

[neat phoenix]

np

[limber ridge]

Wait i Heard in reset day there is a machine that makes earthquakes. Is that true?

[wind wagon]

Thanks

[kind imp]

FINALLY! i actually solved it with no Youtube

actually found golden coin here

[limber ridge]

No problem.

[willow depot]

Well done

[limber ridge]

Great job.

I can't wait for episode 18, when we learn that mayak is a bridge between hello neighbor media and real life, and that all differences between medias are just a result of us replaying the game, and that the guest is a virus made by us when we mod/mess with the game, representing corruption of the game(by the way the cartoon being so meta about stuff with references to tB's other games and Alex appearing there and other meta jokes are what have been building up to this).

[subtle coral]

i know smth u dont hahahaha

[dapper basin]

What if I was the neighbor

[lethal birch]

hmm

you could

uh

lose your wife

in a car crash

and uh

then lose ur daughter

and things

[dapper basin]

TRUE

TRUE

[marsh idol]

idk you’d be pretty buff and have a cool house

[dapper basin]

TRUE DAT

[lethal birch]

yea right

[round mango]

yoo im new

[wanton roost]

Welcome

[fair cairn]

Hi

Im a switch player

[kind imp]

what is this all about?

its quintans sis right?

[limber ridge]

Yeah, If i remember correctly the headline says "Deadly hiding". It's about how the girl went missing in a game of hide and seek. Also that her brother's name started with Q, which ppl say is Quentin.

[willow depot]

finally Theodore can kill Alex

we're this close to freedom

[willow depot]

yeah Beatrix is Quentin's sister and the newspaper said she went missing when they were playing hide and seek

still dunno what the empty grave or the coffee cups on it mean though

...Beatrix and Mith have coffee and chat at the cemetary because their lore relevant details are by the church, Beatrix drives off on her van and Mith sleeps in the unoccupied grave

trust 💯

[limber ridge]

It all lines up. Mayak is associated with colours purple and green as well as glitches, so is error world. Error world also tied everything alphas-full game, mayak also Connects continuities. It's all a game and the guest is a virus.

Just forget the fact that guest is flesh and Bones.

Wait. In Aaron triliogy gaap is burnt down. But in Nicky triliogy he just goes there? I don't remember any hints at it being burnt. How?

[marsh idol]

yo

[ripe berry]

Coffee Cups and TV Monitor are to confirm to us that Q is in-fact Quentin and not a new character
and to show that Quentin regularly visits the grave (likely still feeling guilty for what happened to Beatrix)

and maybe it's empty because
A. they never found her
B. was setting up a twist that's now scrapped of Beatrix being alive

[willow depot]

neat

[willow depot]

lean into B because call me a schizophrenic in denial but I doubt they would "add" requested characters via murdering them

[spice mango]

I thought that was lucy yi?

[ripe berry]

nope, it's about Beatrix (the woman player character in Hello Guest)

[wanton roost]

I'm so angry cuz you can see the frickin similarities

[wicked heath]

Im ok with them being siblings

[dusty trench]

No I’m pretty sure Nicky finds evidence on the park being deliberately burnt down. If I remember I’m pretty sure missing pieces (could be WN or BS but I think MP).

[ripe berry]

intentionally or not, Beatrix and Quentin DO at least have some kind of physical similarity due to the ears
just don't ask why MitH also has that ear-shape

so at least it's wasn't COMPLETELY out of left field
(since the models also DID imply they knew each other)

anyways-

[limber ridge]

Honestly what even is the cult's goal at this point? Like it seems so many people have a connection to it, it's just like, where do You go from here? Just take over the world slowly? Mindlessly listen to guest?(If they even worship him) Then what does guest want? A battle royale between Raven Brooks citizens?

Actually the thought of the cult having a battle royale once 99% of Raven Brooks citizens get weather-luck related cult powers sounds epic.

[dusty trench]

Also her (HG) van is still a sticker in game on Quentin’s notebook in intro.

[shell gull]

The goal seems complex in ways and it’s not clear in some parts, though it seems that The Guests goal is to destroy RB or take control of it all, there’s hints of him being the cause of the storm in HN3s prototypes (Which aren’t canon but can lead to the actual plot), along with HN2s canceled update having the Town being destroyed by a storm. The cultist themselves seem to just want fortunes and control. They believe The Guest will bring them those things so they follow him and worship him.

[dusty trench]

Even tho Guest doesn’t like them

[dusty trench]

I like this

[shell gull]

Yeah, The Guest isn’t fond of anyone he only really cares for what he wants but since The Cult always aligns themselves to helping The Guest might as well let them be.

[dusty trench]

Yea

Well, mostly let them be. Since he was shown killing one in a teaser for S3 of AS (not confirmed to be him but you can see the shoes and the cloak it has to be him).

[spark tulip]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcTZwcml5Z3dwODJ3YW11NW5sZnBwNzJzN2VpaDYwY2JrNGRoNmZlbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ZLe54r3KjmXmUk0FQH/giphy.gif

[wicked heath]

Fire thumbnail

[spark tulip]

i randomly stumbled onto this image, and i just knew i had to remake it

[wicked heath]

Great job!!

[royal owl]

Nicolas Michael Roth

[dusty trench]

This, is peak

🔥 Fire job

[shell gull]

Oh my peak 🙏

[limber ridge]

I thought it said "am i too high" help

Nah but actually this is beak.

[vagrant igloo]

I thought that too lmao

[wanton roost]

green clothes and smth on their arm too bandages on quentins and a tatoo on beatrix that counts

[tiny verge]

y'know, maybe someone could have Beatrix be the guard of Golden Apple in their AUs since Quentin isn't a guard anymore

[latent oar]

guys

what if nicky is the neighbors unknown nephew 😂

jk ik that cant be true

[scarlet sandal]

Does anyone even factor in the stuff from Hello Neighbor Nicky’s Diaries?

It’s like one of the most ignored pieces of HN media

But maybe for good reason

[limber ridge]

I mean, is there really much to factor in? Only thing You could make an argument was the fact it shows books are still canon, but they always were, only reason ppl thought they were decanonized was missinformation/missinterpretation. Alex only ever said books don't adapt well to television, not that show is only canon.

I guess there's the dark essence too? I guess it can be just fog in Nicky's memory or smth.

[dusty trench]

Also to emphasize Mr. Peterson being the face of Nicky’s fear since he kidnapped him. It’s for us the audience to see, since it’s clearly based off the thing. It’s showing while Nicky is trying to discover why happened in the past beyond what he discovered in the basement, and go beyond and figure out what happened to Aaron Peterson, the rescue squad. And why the tone is the way it is. But he is avoiding being captured by his fears. Him looking back and discovering stuff is like how he used to discover what the secret was hidden in Peterson house. He is trying to accomplish this by looking back at his memories and piece them together and discover what happened to the town. But he is avoiding his fears that try to slowly creep up, but don’t catch up to him. But Nicky has other fears as well and I think it’s to show that it’s not all of his fears catching up to him which is why the thing shows for us, but also to show that it’s mainly the fear of Raven Brooks he is avoiding. And Peterson is the face of that.

[limber ridge]

Something that perspective theory Alone cannot solve no matter what is the differences between Nicky's triliogy and the first game. Both are from Nicky's perspective so what makes them this different?

[dusty trench]

I just put that in the previous message

[dusty trench]

In some ways perspective can show some stuff about this (not salve fully asf rn). The first game obviously in development reasons and other obvious reasons behind the scenes didn’t have characters like Trinity Enzo Maritza Ivan Finch and Delroy. But they can add that into story now because of things like the books and AS and all of the stuff after that game. The first game in stuff like act 2, 3, and finale. In act 2 which we k is a distorted memory from Nicky as an adult. His fears fogging that memory and taking over, which can show a lot. Why there isn’t the rescue squad or any of his friends on that act (while for obvious behind the scenes reasons) in lore is because it’s emphasizing how Nicky feels alone and overshadowed by his friends. No one believing him including his friends. Feeling alone in the moments where they were present, overshadowed by fears and last events, as if they weren’t even there. And we know in his perspective in the books that his friends stopped believing him and drifted away from him which he figured out everything on his own and didn’t tell anyone. This ca even show that he felt like everyone else in town overshadowed him and h felt alone, like it’s just him and his fears. Even in AS the kids are shown to have these aspects in exaggerated ways to emphasize how Nickys friends feel about the situation, but we even see how Nicky feels and how it’s viewed through there. The nightmare sequences in game are also when Nicky is an adult, as we see his adult player body being used. These sequences are our main hints into the Peterson family and what happened to them. And we know that money people back then have figured out what they meant and pieced them together even before hide & seek such as 8 bit Ryan and other YouTubers who pieced together why the nightmares told, but obviously most didn’t understand fully so they created hide & seek and then the Nicky trilogy since it didn’t envision out the way intended.

But going back on track

[dusty trench]

These nightmares show that Nicky does remember the stuff that happened with Aaron and what happened to Diane Mya and why Peterson locked Aaron away. But I feel like with context from stuff we get later on, we can tie that to this game. The nightmare mainly is the one showing Mya’s death at the end. It’s themed as an amusement park. That and his house being circus like with with amusement park circus stuff being everywhere especially in act 2 & 3, even with act finale phase 1 being almost like a circus room
In a way, can obviously tie to him being a theme park designer. Over heard theories back then before the first trilogy of book saying that they think Mr. Peterson created them parks, and that accidents happened. Some back then used to think that his daughter died at one of these parks. But that is obviously it the case. But we do know from the Aaron trilogy that she was going to die at the park but Lucy died instead. The nightmare can show that accidents accidents occurred leading up to Mya’s death. We already know the car crash from the other nightmare also represented in this one a little, even with his wife’s grave outside of the map. But why I say a little for this nightmare is because it manly just shows his life turning upside down with yes his car is there, but also think of the fact that we are in a rollercoaster throughout the nightmare. Which I believe is to show that the tragedies of his amusement parks are what’s slowly leading to the downfall of his family. Why it’s being shown with a rollercoaster ride is to show that the tragedies of his theme parks were slowly leading to the downfall of his family and the Peterson name. The television broadcast we hear in this nightmare show not just the car crash incident, but also the many incidents related to Mr. Peterson, the theme parks. The ride showing the tragedy of this family is representing how tragic the amusement parks were. And why mainly a rollercoaster can be a sign at an amusement park tragedy

That maybe happened in town. And even in the hello neighbor mod kit and other stuff online promoting hello neighbor before the books called the town raven brooks, and for mod kit promotion and on the website said the raven brooks homeowners association, with even the name wayron croobs obviously matching up, showing they knew the name for this town since the first game’s release. And why I say in town is I believe this game can hint at the cult in a way as well, even hide & seek.

[limber ridge]

I find it interesting how when Nikita said everything is canon he gave games, books and names as examples. Games and books are pretty clear but what does names mean here exactly?

[limber ridge]

I was mainly thinking about how in books Nicky learns about neighbor from casette tapes as a child while in games he learns it as an adult.

Can't send an image of the confirmation unfortunately though

[dusty trench]

Why I say that is because in both games, a present thing by many people by the was the bad luck and omen symbols and imagery in both games. Obviously with the ravens always being around moments of tragedies being represented like around Mya’s grave, around Peterson holding up the missing posters, at the town entrance. And in H&S with them being in every map watching Mya, leading Mya in the game when she fails. The fake tat on her wrist being a raven that is emphasized on screen. Them around Mya’s grave in the end credits. And even in the demo and in old promotional material for the game, a scene where a raven is watching the Peterson family while they are eating dinner, and flys off before anyone could see (also in the files btw). And there is many imagery of death and bad luck and cult like imagery in H&S especially, like with the zombies in he game guarding brains but then they come around in circles in game and start chanting stuff. Theres mire imagery in this game that I find really interesting but I don’t want to mention it all here. But why is this important. We’ll keep in mind the fact that it is in Mya’s perspective this game. But from the Aaron trilogy we learn that her and Aaron know about the forest protectors. It from the ending, they think that the cult has ended. But this game shows the cult and the past coming back to end them. And this is Mya’s perspective, and we know that she has a bright imagination and wants to keep things positive. We view a metaphorical version of her imagination, with her fears of the cult being represented through the ravens watching behind the scenes, creeping in. And why you can call for one to help you when you’re stuck is a sign of the cult playing with her imagination, making sure everything goes as planned in a metaphorical way. Through out the game, things become more colder and realistic. With even in act 2 imagery of murder and real world problems that happen like robbery, homelessness.

[dusty trench]

When was this said ever?

About him learning it as an adult?

Anyways

She is using her imagination to cover up the past and cope. Trying to forget what happened. But because of the bad luck slowly coming back to them, it’s portrayed as if the cult is playing with there kinds. Playing with her imagination, slowly constructing everything.

Even back then people thought that there was some cult like stuff being at play here even before hide and seek.

[ripe berry]

https://youtu.be/Of1fZh4aliE?t=6465

[wraith topaz]

bro hellonebor has lore?

[limber ridge]

A bit too much Lore.

[wraith topaz]

oh i thought it was just the game and the kid was curious

[wanton roost]

more than that

[low kite]

Compared to Fnaf lore?

[limber ridge]

It's got nothing on fnaf lore

[low kite]

Which one do you prefer?

[limber ridge]

Hello neighbor, but i meant that as in fnaf is a bunch more convoluted and confusing

Imo at least

[low kite]

Same, Hello Neighbor sticks to one location, which is Raven Brooks, and for the most part gives us answers to our questions without being to cryptic.

[ripe berry]

with FNaF you're debating the timeline order of events
with Hello Neighbor you understand the rough timeline of events but have inconsistent versions of events between media

[ripe berry]

not to mention you can understand a good chunk of the storyline without even reading the (Canon) books once
meanwhile with FNaF for the longest time you needed to read just to know who some of the major characters are (cough cough Henry cough cough)

[low kite]

Also, the Fnaf Movies only make the lore more confusing.

[ripe berry]

(not saying FNaF Lore is bad, just that HN Lore is less confusing compared to it)

[limber ridge]

In fnaf's case we don't even know If we ever will get a proper answer, with hello neighbor there's at least wtrb to answer some stuff, hello neighbor 3, whatever else we will get.

And maybe there will still be some stuff unanswered but the major stuff is all we really need answers for.

[ripe berry]

it's one thing I have to applaud HN for
the storyline is cryptic at parts but also approachable for newcomers

[ripe berry]

even with just HN1, HNHS, and HN2, ignoring all of the spinoffs and books and the Animated Series, there is still an understandable storyline.

[ripe berry]

meanwhile if you just look at the FNaF Games you'd have no clue what was going on in RUIN unless you either play SotM (which wasn't out yet) or read the books

anyways-

[ripe berry]

tldr for the first game;
Neighbor's wife dies in car crash, Neighbor's son ends up pushing Neighbor's daughter off the roof, Neighbor locks his son in the basement to protect him, events of the game.

and if you wanna play the games in order
(well this isn't the order I believe but it's the best order for story comprehension)
HN Hide and Seek -> HN1 Act 1 -> Secret Neighbor -> HNVR -> HN1 Act 2 -> HN2 -> Hello Engineer -> Rest of HN1 -> HN: Nicky's Diaries (Mobile only) -> HN3 (not out yet)

[alpine hare]

What is included in the original HN canon?

[dusty trench]

He said there was idea that he figured out what happened to him as an adult. Either that can be because that was the original intention for him to figure out as an adult since the first game was originally going to be the only hello neighbor game, and they added the extra stuff like cult, specific characters because people wanted more story they created hello neighbor hide and seek, the books, and started HN2. And that was one of the things changed. And we know that after people wanted more from the game like a sequel, they gave updates to the game and added more secrets in the map to expand the lore and they released the he first book, released promotional material for hide and seek and the demo. That period is where they started planning out all of the extra stuff like the cult and many more stuff. They had symbols of bad luck and stuff in HN1 already including amusement park and circus imagery and promotional material for the mod kit at that time did call the place raven brooks even on the website’s, even golden apple imagery showing thy had some intent to have a darker story with more depth that had something bigger at play, and to hint at the fact that Mr. Peterson was a theme park designer (probably not specifically the golden Apple Park) and that tragedy happened at that park or maybe multiple parks at that time like we have now, and maybe they had the idea at that time for something a little different in how that cult like stuff would play out. But quickly after people wanted more they added more easter eggs in the game to tease the books and hide and seek and that’s where we got the basic lore we have now. But they can also tie that with something more sci fi again, maybe stage play can work with that. A ton of perspective stuff can be explained with both HN1 and H&S, but let’s not forget the other important stuff at play, the technology in raven brooks. But, it doesn’t mean that perspectives with metaphorical symbolism can’t show some stuff, it still can.

Just like how the time loops and stuff can show stuff about metaphorical symbolism in characters mindset, to further understand their perspective.

And maybe they can add that Nicky wasn’t really thinking about what happened to Peterson for obvious a reason since he was kidnapped by him. But maybe he knew what happened to Aaron and his pain, and used that to try and understand that Peterson had fears too, to kind of shed light, so he can get over his fears. Not like toying with his fears, but metaphorically. Which is why Nicky at the end as we see Peterson less in the game, that for the audience it shows his mindset of the thing (fear) watching Mr. Peterson hang up the posters, the grave, and Mr. Peterson locking away his fears instead of facing them. Maybe what figuring out what happened to Peterson means that he is understanding Peterson’s motives, understanding what he is afraid of. And that ca tie into why we get the bad luck imagery and golden apple representation. It’s small hints as we play the game that tie into Mr. Peterson’s story. The house becoming bigger and more representative of his amusement parks. The eye paintings and golden apple painting becoming more present. The amount of more zany odd cartoony stuff that his house has, like the puzzles and textures. And his house in this form being the gateway to the fear mini games can have a meaning too. His house in this amusement park form, is representative of how his parks and the tragedies that happened there caused pain for others, suffering, fear. And even the nightmare where it’s amusement park themed. Why it’s a roller coaster in an amusement park going over the tragedy of the Peterson’s represents how the tragedies of his parks led to the tragedy of his family. That bad luck catching up to him. And Aaron being there at the ride, is showing Nicky remembering that Aaron told him stuff in the basement, telling him what happened to him. And later on Nicky as he gets older uses what he learned about Aaron to understand what Peterson actually fears. And that’s why we get those little imagery of bad luck with the ravens and the thing (fear)

Watching him, and trying to get to him. Nicky is realizing more of what actually happened to him in the past. But Nicky’s goal in the game as he gets older, is to get over his fears, not help anybody else, so that why we don’t get too much imagery and representation of that. Until Diaries where Nicky actually becomes curious again but instead of wha happened to the town, why is it destroyed, where did everyone go, what did they go through. He tries to find what he can and use his memories to better understand what happened to his friends, others in town, the cult, and the history of the town leading up to where he’s at. Why isn’t depicted in gameplay of him as a kid breaking into Theo’s house is because him looking back and trying to discover what happened is almost like a little nostalgia reminder of how he used to investigate Mr. Peterson and break into his house for clues. It’s like shedding a little light of the past, but avoiding his fears. Which is where the dark essence (Peterson shadow) comes in. Throughout HND in every section the house gets bigger, and we slowly descend into the basement near the end of each part of the act. And every time we see the dark essence, things become more supernatural portrayed as you play. This shows Nicky’s fears slowly trying to come back to him, but with his knowledge and the events of act 3, he won’t let them. He doesn’t feel weak anymore. Why isn’t showing Peterson as the model for the dark essence is because is you look, it has the same effect and surrounding animation around the model as the thing (fear). Same white glowing eyes, except until they see you the eyes turn red. Why it’s a shadow thing looking version of Peterson is to emphasize that he is trying to get away from his fears slowly coming of Peterson since that is the biggest. The fear mini games were small fears of his, that he overcame quicker. The giant house being the gate way to getting to face his fears, shows as I said before Theodore’s amusement parks

[dusty trench]

Causing pain, suffering, fear of survival, bringing negativity to people, can remind people of there fears. Which I already mentioned the nightmare’s, even in act 2 with that being a distorted memory, overshadowed by fear. His house bigger (resembling act 3 in ways). The huge gated fence around the house representing Nicky feeling trapped by his fears, like how he was trapped in the house. The huge house and even act 2 having these weird puzzles with the doll house being represented metaphorically as some voodoo magic, shows his fears have taken over his memories. Which as I mentioned before, can tie into what Nikita said in a way. That his fears have taken over his memories, which ca explain why they are nightmares portraying a metaphorical version of these events in Nicky’s mind. And Act 3 and Finale is him facing it himself. With Act finale which I want to talk about more on, as we know that Nicky being small as Peterson as a giant representing how as a kid Nicky felt smaller and weaker. But think about where we start off in this. Right before Nicky this act starts, we are in the basement which is the same layout as act 1, but instead it’s distorted and all weirdly shaped, and the thing is in there. This shows the basement being the place where all of his fear is represented since he was locked away in there. But he uses the abilities to get passed which represent Nicky becoming more powerful than his fears. This can even hint at Nicky’s love of video games. With it he’s being a video game, but all of the gaming YouTuber references in game which yes are just references as to who they are based on, can represent a little in Nicky’s perspective his childhood love of video games. In lore these can be metaphors of how Nicky used to play video games, and the gateway to the abilities and the fear mini games play out like some old arcade game in a way, and even the abilities you earn can show this too, because why are they abilities like double jump, invisibility,

[tiny verge]

you should write a book, genuinely
you have the grammar, punctuation, and energy to do so

or maybe some kind of fanfic

I'm being serious too I think you have the skill to write

[dusty trench]

Super strength, and even in game you start off with super throw. It shows Nicky using his childhood love for things he likes such as video games, to get his fears away. Which can even explain some of the crazy ways this game represents stuff compared to others. The way that hello neighbor shows stuff ties to the persons character and perspective. It ties to them since it’s connected. Even in HND, Nicky is portrayed to use gadgets and even earns the ability to walk on walls in places that let him, which can show his childhood love for tinkering and messing around with stuff. Can tie into him being in the inventors club as a child. And the walking on walls ability he acquires in game can tie to his love for video games too. Which going back to Nicky as an adult in act 3, his love for video games as a child is represented in this game. And yes again the YouTuber references are references and doesn’t mean that the in real life YouTubers are canon, it can tie in kind of (not the reference itself but line something for the audience to see). The fact that Act 3 and finale take place in 2017, Nicky would know about modern social media, modern video games, internet culture being a thing especially in the gaming space at that time. It would make sense that some modern gaming stuff and culture Nicky has seen or heard of, can remind him for his old live for video games when he was a kid. He ca see that video game’s are loved by many around the world, just like how he loved video games. He’s happy that his love for that, became something more cultural around the world. You could even tie into the fact of unreal engine missing scripts leading you to Easter eggs that tie into the lore. In his mind it’s like a glitch in a game leading out of bounds, or getting to a place early like in a video game. And even the error world and the arg connected to it with the QR codes can tie to this in a way too. It’s literally an Easter egg in game that gives you commands,

[dusty trench]

Maybe, I do love writing. Thanks

[glacial whale]

Dark you might as well be a HN lore YouTube channel

I don’t mean it as a bad thing

[dusty trench]

I mean, idk how that would be a bad thing

[glacial whale]

I’m just making sure I don’t word it wrong or it’s taken that way or I’m just overthinking it

[dusty trench]

Oh yea your good

[dusty trench]

And takes you to a glitchy world where commands are used. Error world like an error in a video game, and you use commands like a cheat code to do things that you aren’t supposed to do and are just for fun. Which you can delete the neighbor afterwards (until you leave). Another manifestation of Nicky’s love of video games within his mind. But this can show more aswell. The fact that you slowly go up and too the moon. The whole thing is very exaggerated and sci fi based, which can even hint at the fact that Nicky believes aliens are real and believes a lot of sci fi stuff is real. And we know sci fi is a huge part of hello neighbor lore. But also look at the environment. The sky is spinning fast like a storm, almost like a tornado. Even the fact that the map is purple, with green cubes. Very sci fi esc and super exaggerated. It’s almost like a hint at Mayak. Which we know Nicky knows about from the AS, Aaron probably telling him in the basement. And we know during HN1’s updating period, that they were setting up the mayak lore, cult, H&S, and the books since people wanted more. It’s like Nicky using a little of what he knows and learned about in raven brooks, as a basis as inspiration for his imagination in a way. Like this event is a metaphor. And why Peterson is the basis is probably because it shows Nicky knows Mr. Peterson is obsessed with his investigation, and that his fears are trapping him and he is slowly going mad. Him slowly doing things that are wrong and being obsessed with his investigation and kidnapping Nicky is like Mr. Peterson slowly losing his humanity. His mental problems, fears, and obsessions taking him over, making him go insane. Which is also what the Neighbor in guest suit in GN2 and the representation of him and the guest in reset day representing that as well (I can forward the message if people want me too). His obsessions with Mayak, its power, weather control, trapping him in this obsession, with the rest of his fears.

Peterson glitching more and more in this and he deletes is representation of his obsessions, fears, investigation, everything coming towards him at once, torturing him. The bad luck always coming to haunt him. And he becomes too much to handle since he is out of control. This is a metaphorical view in Nicky’s mind of how he sees Peterson’s mental state. And why it’s Nicky is brace for another reason Peterson getting deleted can partially be Nicky getting his fears out of the picture (partially). I even have a reason as to why H&S doesn’t have much representation for the cult and other incidents like Lucy Yi and the golden apple amusement park even tho the game is in Mya’s mindset. And it ties into the huge imagination aspect of the game that connects to her character. The game gets a darker as you play each act, with more themes of dark stuff. Even in act 2 with symbolism of murder, robbery, homelessness. But still in a cartoony way that’s innocent. But this game as it gets darker we get more imagery and symbolism of death cult like bad luck spiritual stuff that’s metaphorical. Like the zombies circling around areas in the map and whispering stuff like ritual and give you brains. And all acts have more imagery and symbolism that can tie in and I feel like can be really important to the series and bring up a lot of themes and topics that are really interesting but I ain’t gonna mention everything. And even the ravens especially during this time in both H&S and the first game tie in a bunch. The town even before H&S and books being called raven brook, the ravens at the entrance of town. The eye paintings in both games, the ravens by Mya’s grave in both games (H&S in credits and first game when your in the section with the goat missing posters). And in H&S them watching Mya and the Peterson family throughout the game everywhere. Even in old promo for the game and in the old demo (also in the files) a scene showing a dark distorted first person view of a raven watching

[tiny verge]

yw!

[dusty trench]

No like when I’m doing theories. Like this. Or talking about stuff. I don’t write my own books.

[dusty trench]

the Peterson’s eating dinner. And before they see out the window, the raven flys away. Dark creepy music plays through out the scene. Also the fact that you can call a raven to pick you up and put you back at your last checkpoint if you get stuck tells a lot too. But why is this important. We’ll keep in mind the fact that it is in Mya’s perspective this game. But from the Aaron trilogy we learn that her and Aaron know about the forest protectors. It from the ending, they think that the cult has ended. But this game shows the cult and the past coming back to end them. And this is Mya’s perspective, and we know that she has a bright imagination and wants to keep things positive. We view a metaphorical version of her imagination, with her fears of the cult being represented through the ravens watching behind the scenes, creeping in. And why you can call for one to help you when you’re stuck is a sign of the cult playing with her imagination, making sure everything goes as planned in a metaphorical way. Through out the game, things become more colder and realistic. She is using her imagination to cover up the past and cope. Trying to forget what happened. But because of the bad luck slowly coming back to them, it’s portrayed as if the cult is playing with there kinds. Playing with her imagination, slowly constructing everything. Even back then people thought that there was some cult like stuff being at play here even before hide and seek and the books. With the many stuff I mentioned of the imagery of eyes, raven, death, fear, the error world. And especially during H&S when it was being tease and when first released, even when Missing Pieces first came out with Peterson’s office. Even going back to the first game, I want to talk about the basement. There’s cans of soda, and noodles, and candles in the basement. Even the fake screen of houses to use the illusion of the outside world. It’s super bright to have this bright fantasy dream world looking aesthetic.

[marsh idol]

oh so the whole error world is just inside Nicky’s head

[dusty trench]

Yea, in ways. Like, a metaphorical place that the audience can see, relating to him. Like his mindset portraying stuff. A glimpse into his view on the sci fi stuff also relating to Mr. Peterson. In metaphorical way viewing that stuff. Storms, all that mayak stuff. Like Mr. Peterson obsession with it. His fears and obsessions trapping him, the bad luck catching up, making him go mad. And it’s Nicky’s view on that. Also a glimpse into Nicky’s love for video games and his belief in aliens, using the stuff he knows about mayak and that stuff to tie it to his beliefs, and his imagination has a role to. Since it’s a metaphor.

Going offline for a while but then I will continue

[dusty trench]

Alr I’m back

[daring saddle]

Ngl, I trying to look more to HN and I trying to understand what was canon to the mainline

Just the games (all games?) and the books?

And the animated series is it own universe?

[marsh idol]

no

everything is canon

it's all based on perspective

[marsh idol]

unless stated otherwise

[marsh idol]

fnaf has no lore

[dusty trench]

And if you look off in the distance past the gate in the basement past the brick wall, you can see candles on the floor, a huge area that’s mostly empty but there are noticeable things here. A very tall chair with long legs sitting on a square patterned floor. When going near it you hear a creepy audio that sounds like something growing, almost like a forest sound. You can hear what sound like leafs that you would hear when walking in a forest, a snapping sound that almost sounds like stepping on a tiny skinny branch and it snaps. But the thing covering the chair that makes it hard to see (other than the immense darkness of the basement), is square shaped thing almost like a room. It has rectangle thing on them where windows are supposed to be placed. But instead there’s more of those bright fake screens of outside, but there’s multiple scattered around and not placed at the window. Inside this room thing is a carpet on the floor, those huge things that you see when you enter the basement (don’t know what there called), the thing you open in the game that has the shelves but it’s tilted over, a chair sitting in front of a fire can that has fire on top of it that creates a huge light. The candles being lit, with the fake background screens illuminating light, and this fire creating a larger light, is almost like the game wants us to see this. But the darkness of the basement made it hard to notice, so many just used unreal engine commands and stuff to go out of bounds. This area looks intentionally liminal, and almost empty. With stuff being scattered around and tipped over, it looks unfinished. Like it’s being worked on. There’s another room in the basement similar to the room we first enter when going past the washing machine. But instead it also looked unfinished, with the stages up walls to shape a room being tipped over, and the fake screens being scattered and tipped over. Dirt overgrowing the room, an it looks unfinished like it’s being worked on.

[dusty trench]

And the sci fi stuff too because of other stuff we get on time loops.

[daring saddle]

HN 2 is after HN1 Act 2 and HN3 is before HN1 Act 3?

[tiny verge]

HN3 is after HN1 Act 3

2028

HN1 Act 3 is most likely 2017

[daring saddle]

Goddamn? didnt expected it

How old is Mr Peterson?

[dusty trench]

Act 2 is a distorted memory Nicky later on is looking back on. The memory is fogged and distorted by his fears. The events of act 2 that Micky is looking back on is in the past before HN2. But Nicky later on, maybe as an adult or from when Nicky is taken to a mental institution looking back on that memory, but it’s fogged by fears. Hello neighbor is extremely metaphorical and psychological, with symbols every where, and everything having more depth behind it. Hello neighbor also has a ton of sci fi stuff aswell, where some stuff can be explained by perspective metaphors, and others by sci fi stuff. But perspective can show stuff about sci fi things, same with sci fi stuff showing stuff about metaphors in character perspective. The info we have is that the differences in media come from character perspective, and has something to do with mayak. Which mayak is sci fi, but is portrayed metaphorically in characters perspective. Everything is canon except early versions of stuff like the alphas and betas of a game or pilot of AS, but ideas from those builds can be used as an idea as the story takes elements from early versions of stuff and make the fit into canon lore, such as the bad luck imagery and raven stuff. Also speaking of that, there is nothing supernatural in hello neighbor, not even Guest. They portray stuff metaphorically which is why it’s seen as supernatural or portrayed as of since it’s psychological.

[dusty trench]

85 (in that year).

[daring saddle]

How my guy still going, this dude dont stop lmao

[daring saddle]

So like, every media tells a only story, but each media tell the story in it own way, and we need to line up what is the real events/what basically happened?

[dusty trench]

Yes, and also how technology works in the series.

[daring saddle]

Its not like there is lies or falses storys, just that every media tell the single story on its way

[polar crag]

Dang i didn’t realize hn had so much lore

[dusty trench]

Yes. With psychological metaphors tying to the characters perspective and there character as a whole. Figuring out what symbols mean to understand what is happening.

[daring saddle]

What is Mayak?

[dusty trench]

Mayak is the weather station. A huge building with an eye on top of it. Created by Mr. Peterson’s parents Roger and Adele.

Aka the most important thing in the entire series.

[polar crag]

Hey umm what is the shadow man in hello neighbor like that big black thing

I think it’s called the thing

[dusty trench]

The thing is the metaphorical manifestation of fear and trauma, in the hello neighbor universe. It represents the negativity characters go through, there fears, trauma, turning into pain, and suffering, in characters mindset. None of the characters can actually see the thing. Times where is shown or mentioned is metaphorical, for the audience to see. It ties into how psychological hello neighbor is. And how we are viewing the story through characters mindset.

[polar crag]

Oh so it’s not only for Nicky

[dusty trench]

Nope, but often portrayed with him.

[polar crag]

Oh, cool!

So it’s like all their trauma and stuff together forming in their mind

[dusty trench]

Yea

[polar crag]

Cool

I’m playing hello neighbor on my Xbox rn, I got 1 yesterday

[dusty trench]

Nice

[dusty trench]

The act where the game really starts

[polar crag]

Yeah

Btw I got 2 on disc

Man this act is hard

Normally I would noclip through the basement with a tv, but there are genuine levels to ts, I have to get powers and stuff

[dusty trench]

Fr it takes time. My personal opinion, it’s my favorite act.

[polar crag]

Like the intro of act 3 is chefs kiss

[dusty trench]

Tuff. Also act 2 of the game is past the bridge. And the DLC’s take place before.

[dusty trench]

Yes, literally peak

[daring saddle]

Peterson have siblings?

[dusty trench]

Yes. Older brother Franklin, younger sister Lisa. Lisa doesn’t live by in raven brooks anymore, and Franklin (goner)

[polar crag]

Is ts tuff?

[dusty trench]

This, is the best hello neighbor game I have ever seen. Bro got hello neighbor 8 early.

[polar crag]

lol

[polar crag]

Hello neighbor 5, FREE DOWNLOAD!! APKOHIOZONE.COM

[dusty trench]

Tinybuild, hire this man

[polar crag]

Thx bro

[dusty trench]

No problem

[polar crag]

[dusty trench]

Anyways, I gotta continue my theory text

[polar crag]

Ok

You keep cooking

[dusty trench]

Even the beginning of act 2 when you leave that room in the basement, all of the stuff outside of it looks unfinished. Stuff is scattered everywhere, tilted over. But stuff like the fake screens and the way things are set up is like it’s being worked on. The basement in all acts is set like it’s play, a show, a circus. Like the back of a theater, all the lights is like behind the scenes of a movie or stage play. It’s telling us the fact that we also get in the books, of Mr. Peterson building an underground amusement park in the basement. Even in AS, S&R, HND, the basement is set up like a stage play, stuff being worked on, further showing that fact. Even in acts 2 & 3 we hear heavy breathing in some areas (mainly out of bounds since it’s more noticeable) and those are the same weird breathing and whispering sounds we hear in the fear room mini games to further show the fact of those acts and act 2 being distorted memories by Nicky’s fears. And the basement in Nicky’s mind is where his fears are more prone to catching him, since he was held down there. But also he learned the secret in the basement. The further you learn the truth, the more prone you are to fear catching up to you. Even in HND we see the dark essence in the basement, and that the puzzles in there are weirder compared to the ones outside the basement. And going back to act 3 absent and act finale, we are portrayed the hallway from act 1 leading to the dead end locked up door. Which we know in the books that room is where Aaron is being held, but the game tells us this too. Since the fact that when we open the door, we see not only the most finished and perfectly set up room in the basement, but a cardboard cut out of Aaron, which further shows that stage play circus aesthetic of the basement. Also the fact that that room is the most guarded room in that game also shows this game was trying to tell us that Mr. Peterson wanted Aaron to stay with him. When the door is locked behind us, we hear Theodore,

banging on the door super aggressively and grunting in rage, anger, and hear him cry a little. He is furious. And also as ai mentioned the raven and other cult like imagery in this game before too, it mass sense. This game shows that he was trying to run away from something. And that room being the most finished also makes sense for this too. And even going back to the nightmare where we see the Aaron cardboard cut out and when you go into the rollercoaster Nicky looks back and takes a breath looking at him. As I mentioned before why it’s a rollercoaster track going through the tragedy of the Peterson’s is because it’s trying to tell us that the tragedies at previous parks Mr. Peterson built led to the tragedy and downfall of his family, the bad luck catching up to them. And that the tv and radio sounds and police and ambulance sirens aren’t just of the car crash, but also of the tragedy of his parks. It’s showing multiple things at once. And even it being on a rollercoaster can tie into the fact that Mya was going to die at the GAAP but Lucy died instead. Also why it’s am Aaron starting the ride, is because it’s representing when Aaron told Nicky what happened to them, and the downfall of his family. He told him this when they were in the basement, even at the end of the Nicky trilogy Aaron told Nicky the truth of what happened to Mya and why Mr. Peterson is doing in the basement, which is the underground amusement park. And speaking of that, when you enter and the finale begins, it’s super bright outside with a giant Theodore representing how Nicky feels weaker compared to him like a child, seeing him as looking down on him. But look at the environment of the place. It’s super bright, colorful, super cartoony and random, an unfinished roller coaster track, a room that is birthday party themed with cake. Candles to to start a fire work rocket that is very comedically cartoony. A hole bunch of umbrella’s you make fall from a hole, a toaster sending you in the sky.

[dusty trench]

I can go on.

[dusty trench]

But basically, this is like we are using the stuff we experienced in the act 3 house and the fear mini games, and the abilities we earned against Mr. Peterson. Also Mr. Peterson’s house being super large and like a them park in act 3 is important too and even in act 2. It further shows the fact that Mr. Peterson was a theme park designer. But why that important for the house is because it shows the pain, suffering, and tragedy of Mr. Peterson’s theme parks, bringing trauma and fear to people. Which can explain why Peterson’s house in act 3 is the gateway to Nicky facing his fears. The fear room games being portrayed in the Peterson house, and even the environment of the act finale with Theo. Which we know that why Mr. Peterson is giant here is because it shows how Nicky feels smaller and weaker than Mr. Peterson, with Mr. Peterson looking down on him. But Nicky goes past him, no longer scared of him. Going into the house on his back. Why it’s a house we have to go into is because (other than the reference) it’s representing an exaggerated version of Nicky sneaking past Mr. Peterson and causing stuff to happen in the house, distracting him, using his tools against him, all in an exaggerated way. And when we go in there, we see the tragedy unfold again but this time, it’s more focused on Nicky viewing Mr. Peterson. Viewing what Mr. Peterson feared. In this we get more representation of the ravens and death. Nicky is using the knowledge of what Aaron told him, all of the nightmares haunted by fear he experienced, to understand what the motive of Mr. Peterson was. He’s understanding what he was fearing, so he doesn’t see Mr. Peterson as scary anymore. Seeing the human side of Mr. Peterson, not forgiving him, but using what he fears to become stronger than him. And it explains why we see the thing as the finale boss, and even why in the finale Mr. Peterson is more represented with the thing than Nicky. But also the environment of the giant Theodore boss tells more too.

[dusty trench]

Nicky being portrayed to further knock Mr. Peterson down to get above him by doing stuff that is almost like a child pulling a prank, can be representative of Nicky pulling pranks on people in the town in the books. In the game, it’s Nicky in a way shedding light on the past in a cartoony way, using the childhood imagination to help him with getting over his fears. This is adult Nicky being more like his childlike self as a coping mechanism since act 3 & finale is self therapy, he is using this part of him to over power his fears. Annoying using child like prank tactics to annoy Mr. Peterson and get him tired and more vulnerable. Making him weaker instead. But pay closer attention to the environment of boss area. If you read back at the points and details I listed on how cartoony and comics like the place is, like a stage play. Everything here is also set up like a stage play being set up, but it’s unfinished, such as the rollercoaster. This is another glimpse metaphorically showing the unfinished underground amusement park. Which can tie into why we go here through Aaron’s room. In the Nicky trilogy Nicky describes the basement as weird and maze like, with Mr. Peterson using speakers talking to Nicky welcoming him. It plays out like a horror movie, like it’s being slowly constructed by Mr. Peterson. And when Nicky runs to the room where Aaron is held, that’s where Nicky find out what happened to Mya, and that the underground amusement park is being built. Mr. Peterson at this time, over powering Nicky. Everything being constructed and going as planned, like a stage play. In the trilogy Mr. Peterson silently frames Nicky for stuff and does things that get Nicky caught sneaking out, and have everyone in town including his friends and parents not believe him. Making it seem like Nicky has done more trouble. And even the newspapers and other stuff being placed under Nicky’s bed. Leading Nicky to just do this alone without telling anyone, not even his friends.

[dusty trench]

More is coming but they gave me a spam warning again even tho I typed it out ☠️

[limber ridge]

Yes it does, it's just incredibly convoluted and hard to figure out.

[limber ridge]

Absolute cinema

[limber ridge]

I kinda like the error world as it's own, bigger picture sort of storyline, but it doesn't necesarily contradict any of this.

[willow depot]

Just tell us you want to play the crappy goodbye neighbor with your friends

[marble rain]

Would The Guest be scared by a spray in his face?

[wise bridge]

If it burns yeah

[marble rain]

Basically, someone spray Something on The beak and The Guest to back away

[wise bridge]

Rope VS Guest, rope Wins!!!!!

[marble rain]

Now Imagine Jacob spraying some of that deodorant on The Guest
Instant stun

Im thinking of fanart ideas atp

Oki now Lore time

What do ya wanna Say?

[wise bridge]

Wait who is the player in hn3?

[marble rain]

Not sure..just came into The fandom after years

I Heard we can play as multiple or do roleplays...or a multiplayer typa stuff

[wise bridge]

Secret neighbor

[marble rain]

Ohhh interesting

Sorry I can't keep up w The games

There are so many

Sooo...Lore?

[wise bridge]

Ye

How old do you think the guest is

[marble rain]

A few hundreds of years old...
But since i've Heard there are some theories he's The Neighbor, Imma Say 40-50

[wise bridge]

Peter guest got retconned

So no

[marble rain]

Ohhh Nice nice

[wise bridge]

Also Peterson is 85 in HN3

[marble rain]

He old af Man..

[wise bridge]

And it can’t be Nicky

Since the theory is stupid

The guest is older than him

The forest protectors cult worship the guest

[marble rain]

Heard abt it!!
Was pretty cool but didnt Make sense

[wise bridge]

And people say “the clothes!!!!” In HN3 the guest has a cotton shirt

Not what Nicky wears

[marble rain]

I love when a group of characters protect a forest, I LOVE nature

[marble rain]

Mhm..interesting

[wise bridge]

They kill people

They don’t protect a forest

They just kill

[marble rain]

Then why are they called Forest protectors

[wise bridge]

Idk

[marble rain]

Is it to somehow camouflage into The thought they protect it, but they just kill ppl?

[wise bridge]

But they just worship the guest

[marble rain]

Interesting!

[wise bridge]

“Camouflage” they are wearing crow costumes

Black stands out in green

[marble rain]

I know that!
Im just poorly researched

[marble rain]

No no!!
I meant "Camouflage into The thought that they protect The forest" meaning they pretend to protect The forest, but they just kill

[wise bridge]

They think they protect the town

Did nothing when the storms hit

[marble rain]

Oh hell nah

[marble rain]

Raven Brooks, right?

[wise bridge]

Ja

[marble rain]

Aja

Uhh..what is by far a good plot I need to know before I start playing The newest HN

[wise bridge]

What wins? This Half-Life Alyx concept art enemy or Peterson?