lore-discussion

[tiny verge]

I'm not saying it's uncanon, but what IS canon isn't consistent enough

that's why I say it's not reliable

you have to actively theorize about it like it's FNaF Security Breach and oh boy that was horrible for that franchise

[ripe berry]

Nothing is consistent anymore, doesn't mean that they haven't repeatedly said everything's still canon

[tiny verge]

I'm not buying for a moment that the spinoff multiplayer game that they neglect can be used reliably for theories and discussion, no less to prove that the kids know MITH

SN is low priority so of course as the franchise goes on it's gonna get more inconsistent

[tiny verge]

kind of

but at the same time I can still develop a clear picture of the events

I cannot do that with Secret Neighbor

and again I haven't said it's uncanon

just that it's unreliable

[ripe berry]

wait until I tell you that the Show is going to directly contradict Hello Neighbor VR

[tiny verge]

SN is the second most inconsistent source of lore-related information

[tiny verge]

the show already went past the events of the VR game

[ripe berry]

Guest doesn't even exist in it's current form yet in the Show #hello-neighbor message

[tiny verge]

and the main thing it contradicts of the VR game is that it was Aaron who released Nicky

[tiny verge]

I don't think saying it's not a flashback means he cannot show up beforehand

[plush needle]

aaron released nicky in hn1 as well

[tiny verge]

remember, the Guest has canonically existed before the events of Act 1

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[tiny verge]

once again

that is a TinyBuild higherup

take everything they say with a grain of salt

because they don't know half of the shit they say most of the time

[ripe berry]

it's the CEO who has actively released images from the show and is working with the team for the show

[tiny verge]

same CEO who thought Hello Neighbor 1 was a Stealth Horror

(spoiler alert, it's a thriller not a horror)

[ripe berry]

BUT I'm saying for the lore of Animated Series you can use these statements from the CEO as fact

[plush needle]

this is clearly not a serious statement, guys

[tiny verge]

not really, it's been stated in previous stuff that the Guest has been around for a while

[ripe berry]

same with Trinity, but that didn't stop the Animated Series from making her not even be in town until after Aaron and Mya went missing

[tiny verge]

with Trinity you have to understand

the show is in her perspective, being retold in the 2000s

she forgot smartphones didn't even exist back in 1996

she still was around for a while

[plush needle]

trinity is stupid theory

[ripe berry]

if we're allowing her to forget the ENTIRE thing with Aaron and Mya in the Aaron Trilogy, then (moving back to an earlier point) we can allow her to forget about the time her and the other kids spent investigating MitH

[tiny verge]

oh no that I think is retconned

her involvement with Aaron and Mya I mean

since you can't really justify that in the show

or through the lense of perspectives

[ripe berry]

I'm guessing you just view all of the books as retconned or non-canon?

[tiny verge]

not all

but things need to be put into question

not everything is gonna be reliable as the franchise goes on

and I think at a certain point we won't even be able to use the Nicky Trilogy and Aaron Trilogy for lore

right now it's only possible because the majority can still be perspectives

[vagrant igloo]

the books are canon

[ripe berry]

I know

[tiny verge]

also I never said "non-canon"

[vagrant igloo]

anything that doesn't fit we just say is a different perspective and may be distorted or different then someone else's perspective on the same matter

it seems to work most of the time

[eager island]

its all different continuities

[tiny verge]

see if this was simple

this would be true

but unfortunately the Hello Neighbor franchise is not simple

I actively dislike when they try to make their storytelling like FNaF

[ripe berry]

since this conversation is just going to keep looping I'm going to just leave because neither of us can convince the other.

[tiny verge]

I mean that kinda is the thing about arguments and debates anyways

the other side will likely never change beliefs

[jovial rain]

(welcome to raven brooks small spoiler alert) ||i already think this has NOTHING to do with the actual game lore...||

[tiny verge]

the weird Act 1 and 3 house merge is infact not real

just like how the Act 3 house doesn't actually exist even as a dream

[jovial rain]

one question im curious, is WTRB canon?

[tiny verge]

yes

everything is canon, just not in the way you think

I think there should be an added part to that too though, not everything can be deemed reliable

like Secret Neighbor isn't reliable

for example

it's also been stated before that the show is Trinity's perspective, and how it apparently "takes place" in the 2000s

but if it is her perspective then more likely I feel it's her retelling the events from her perspective in the 2000s

[jovial rain]

yea you are right

[true ingot]

insert Sonic the Hedgehog everything is canon image here<

[jovial rain]

also, i wanna ask to confirm my theory, is HN act 2 house actually big or its just Nicky feeling like its huge because hes a kid, thats probably what makes the most sense, because that house is NOT realistic in any way

[true ingot]

[tiny verge]

with THAT franchise

they only use it as a marketing buzz word

not to get people engaging with the stories of the medias

[true ingot]

I have an understanding that Act 2 is partially distorted and not exactly how it looked like when Nicky really escaped

the transition from act 3 just makes it seem like he was having another nightmare about it too

[tiny verge]

(in a way, yes HN also does it for marketing but it's a vastly different approach, Sega does it to shut up critics, Hello Neighbor does it to get people discussing and theorizing)

[jovial rain]

also fence cant be that high, nicky sees is like that, because he is a kid, and its just all the perspective

[true ingot]

LMAOOO I didnt think it was that serious

[tiny verge]

not really

[true ingot]

Like yeah I said it as satire but yeah that's pretty much the basis

[tiny verge]

no no I knew it's satire I've done it before

[true ingot]

mostly just cause the sonic accounts love being funny and memes

AH OKAY LOL

[tiny verge]

but I did want to explain the context before anyone asked

[true ingot]

Fair enough fair enough

[tiny verge]

cause some people aren't in the know

me personally though I do wish we could get a media that was like

the purest

[jovial rain]

another spoiler question WTRB ||why is the peterson house enterior layout just COMPLETELY different from original||

[tiny verge]

no perspective

just the actual events

[true ingot]

If only the game WOULD ACTUALY EXPLAINNNN cause HN is one of those franchises that is so hard to understand what counts as cartoon logic and a grounded setting

[tiny verge]

mostly for the settings of the show to make sense

there's no lore reason

it's just a thing cartoons do

realistically most people wouldn't notice so they can get away with it

[true ingot]

I needa look back into the show cause I believe the house actually looks a lot more like the first floor of Act 3

[jovial rain]

first thing i thought of is alpha 1 layout 😭

[tiny verge]

the games also change the interiors but that's moreso for gameplay reasons

[plush needle]

in prototype three neighbor has original layout back

so i think its the most canon one

[tiny verge]

yeah 100%

not only that, the Alpha 2 layout was also the one they explicitly chose for Act 1

and reappears as is in Hide and Seek

(mostly because you're not actually playing through that house)

[plush needle]

alpha 2s house was always gonna be the first house

[true ingot]

I love Alpha 2

Act 1 just dont hit the same

[tiny verge]

I mean the fact it had minimal layout changes

it's intentionally done

[plush needle]

is the door color fault

its

[true ingot]

LMAOOO honestly true

[tiny verge]

also it's not a double door

[true ingot]

it hits different

[tiny verge]

that's because the doors are physics based

double doors don't like physics

[true ingot]

That sucks whatt

I would've loved for the front doors to still be double

[tiny verge]

same

[plush needle]

they removed doubledoor off the playerhouse in alpha 3 for a reason

[tiny verge]

this one mod The Neighbors Comeback does actually have a workaround but

they're a bit weird

[plush needle]

(playerhouse used to have doubledoor in alpha 2)

[tiny verge]

yeah, the physics didn't work well at all

[plush needle]

its the only change to the model

[tiny verge]

my guess is it's because the doors were right next to each other

back when they weren't physics based, this was fine

they didn't collide with each other

but that's not how the full game was

I feel the solution is to just...not make the double doors physics based

nobody would've noticed

[true ingot]

My thoughts exactly

But oh well, crying for spoiled milk aren't we

It hits like whiplash everytime Alpha 1 gets compared to the final release

[tiny verge]

tbh, no

[plush needle]

"alpha 1 looks way better than fullgame"
alpha 1, one of the ugliest alphas:

[tiny verge]

this is moreso my recommendations for anyone making a fangame or a mod with door physics

[tiny verge]

sorry

that's Pre-Alpha

not Alpha 1

[true ingot]

OI YOU DO NOT DISRESPECT MY GOAT

[plush needle]

the town is barren and the outside lights are gross

[tiny verge]

that's all placeholder

[plush needle]

at least pre alpha tried

[tiny verge]

even the trees

[true ingot]

TBF the Lighting is what really sets Alpha 1

[plush needle]

and so is prealpha

[tiny verge]

Pre-Alpha also wasn't the same project

[true ingot]

and then SPECIALLY Alpha 2

[plush needle]

i know

[tiny verge]

they didn't have as much time to make a placeholder town

also

most people think of the houses

not the town

I still think Pre-Alpha is 100 times uglier than Alpha 1

the house mesh is HIDEOUS and ATROCIOUS

[plush needle]

who cares if most people think of the houses

im not talking about them

[tiny verge]

it should BURN

[true ingot]

honestly speaking of Lighting, does anybody know like, some good mod that turns it back to how it looked in Alpha 2 at the very least

[jovial rain]

i giggled... ||so this painting is actually canon, because i thought it was just a placeholder from alpha 1||

[plush needle]

that is a google image

[true ingot]

not necessarily models and assets, just a good recreation of the lighting

[plush needle]

google hello neighbor painting and you get that exact thing

at the same exact angle

its horrible

[tiny verge]

did you know that wallpaper is actually oldart

[plush needle]

angle does match with the wall

[plush needle]

thats not room

and clearly something here is worse than the rest

[tiny verge]

uh

I don't care honestly

[jovial rain]

yea but its from prealpha

[tiny verge]

this shot is barely visible

it cuts off pretty quick

[plush needle]

???and

yeah thats the point dude

[tiny verge]

I think we can let a minor error slide

[plush needle]

its a google image of an out of artstyle asset

[tiny verge]

I was pointing out a cool factoid

while you're finding a nitpick

we are not the same

[plush needle]

its

not even a factoid

they remade the wallpaper

its not the same rtstyle

[tiny verge]

same style and design

newart doesn't have any wallpapers like this

[plush needle]

not even the same design, really

colors are all off

doesnt alternate like it originally did

its just stripes here

[true ingot]

I feel like not enough people talk about the feeling old HN artwork gave

It's so good

[tiny verge]

I think you need to stop finding things to nitpick about

[plush needle]

yeah. alternate colors.

i said colors

[tiny verge]

hold on

hold on

getting the modkit opened up right now

[tiny verge]

I feel like people don't talk about it cause oldart fans don't understand the artstyle, and think it's a realistic style

[plush needle]

are you looking specifically to go "hey nerd there actually isn't a newart wallpaper that looks like this"

because thats irrelevant

and we all know that already

[tiny verge]

and if they talked about those old artworks, it shatters that belief entirely

[tiny verge]

no

[plush needle]

or are you looking to go check out the color

[tiny verge]

the design

the color is such a dumb nitpick I'm sorry

they're not gonna go color pick it for a shot that doesn't last long

and was likely meant for fanservice

[plush needle]

i asked abt color because color is one of the things i mentioned

[tiny verge]

(plus the scene is in dark lighting too)

no I'm comparing the designs

[plush needle]

not because color was the nitpick

[tiny verge]

that vine design is from the oldart era I don't think that can be denied, and I was just pointing out how that was a cool thing because oldart

doesn't get anything nowadays

it's been abandoned

[plush needle]

that wallpaper is overrated

where is the mention of the mug in the animated series

[tiny verge]

ehhhhhhhhh I don't see people going "oh, see my favorite wallpaper is that one"

[plush needle]

they dont have to

i see that wallpaper

used constantly

everywhere

[tiny verge]

I mean it is a common wallpaper from Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1

[plush needle]

its only common because its in the living room

and player bedroom

i mean in fan projects

[tiny verge]

it also got reused for this wallpaper design

which does actually have a newart variant but it's very different

(and the original one before the extra overlays is lost media)

[plush needle]

are you looking to inform the two people reading this or do you think i dont know my wallpapers

[plush needle]

they traced google image mug

[tiny verge]

I'm just explaining why fans use it so much

[true ingot]

why are yall yapping about wallpapers anyways

How does thisn contribute to the lore

[tiny verge]

it's literally a common thing

[tiny verge]

let's be real

[true ingot]

does the neighbor have it in his lock screen

[tiny verge]

none of the discussion before was

[plush needle]

no you arent, youre talking about where the wallpaper was reused

[true ingot]

LMAOOO fair fair

[plush needle]

i mean specifically the room wallpaper texture

[tiny verge]

yes

I was

I said it was common

it was very common in oldart

so naturally

fans will USE what is common

[tiny verge]

and yes, I know

this was about that

[plush needle]

not very common

[tiny verge]

what I said still applies

[plush needle]

by alpha 2 and the oldart version of it, the wallpaper was replaced by wallpaper 9

which shows up thrice

[tiny verge]

oldart fans do not use the newart version

[plush needle]

twice in basement, once in house

[tiny verge]

they use the oldart version

[plush needle]

plus they clearly phased out room

[true ingot]

Might as well call it the Wallpaper discussion

I'm getting intrigued now

[plush needle]

where did i mention newart wallpaper 9

[tiny verge]

so yes it is infact still common in oldart

the design is still there

modified, but still there

it's literally a no brainer why people use it

the pattern is literally everywhere in oldart, even in the promo material

that's really not being overrated that design is just common

[tiny verge]

anyways, yes it is still the same design

I don't really care if the colors are off because they're not going to reuse it anyways

it was a throwaway for just the shot

[plush needle]

youre arguing with nobody rn

[tiny verge]

that's... really not the point

and honestly doesn't make any sense to say

[plush needle]

then why reiterate the same thing for the 400th time

even though weve moved on

[tiny verge]

because that's what the whole damn thing was about

[plush needle]

were talking about how room is overused

[tiny verge]

no, that is a side tangent

[plush needle]

which is different

[tiny verge]

I was always going to wrap back to the original point and end off the argument there

and that's what I did

so it's done

let's not drag it on

[plush needle]

you do get that i mean specifically 'room' right

not wallpaper 9, not any art or whatever

[tiny verge]

yes but like I said

the design is still there

pattern is still there

[plush needle]

specifically room is overused in fan projects

[tiny verge]

so no shit oldart fans are using it

like I already said though

[tiny verge]

THIS was my intent

I did it already

stop dragging it on

[plush needle]

youre dragging it just as hard as i am

you keep talking about how the design is in hn art and stuff as if the fans are being brainwashed by it into liking room

which i dont find very relevant to why fans choose specifically room and plaster it everywhere

instead of picking unique wallpapers for their rooms

[plush needle]

(the real answer is because its in the pee alpha living room)
{clearly it is the only wallpaper in the pee alpha realistic scary style}
[nobody needed some in-depth psychological analysis to explain ts dude]
(yes im still editing this message, i have a problem)

[plush needle]

i find it criminal you care about the mug so little

its actually very pivotal in the lore

and it brings tears to my eyes finding out you hate it

[true ingot]

Very awesome

gotta love mugs

[ocean sail]

wdp

wsp

Omg finally bruh

no more new tag

[jovial rain]

i have seen some things in Beta 1 that almost tell me that story was planned be that neighbor is Nicky's dad

is that true?

[tiny verge]

Alpha 2 started it

and Beta 3 is the last one to follow it

[jovial rain]

wow it was changed really late

[tiny verge]

kinda, there was still quite a bit of a gap between Beta 1 and the final release

[jovial rain]

also if that story was followed today, everything would be different

[tiny verge]

for sure

[jovial rain]

even Act 1 wouldnt be like it is

[tiny verge]

in the Father Son lore I'm pretty sure Nicky is the one in the basement

and Fear Darkness, that closet, is what's actually in there

it's just a closet

[jovial rain]

ill take a guess, Nicky was locked in the basement when he was a kid, after he came back to the house, he started reminding himself of that

[tiny verge]

Alpha 2 actually does this as well, there's not an actual basement it's just a closet

[jovial rain]

yea

[tiny verge]

yeah

basically

[jovial rain]

but alpha 1 is the weirddest, it has that tire going out of the basement doors in one of the nightmares

---> the car crash where neighbor's wife died

(in the final game)

[tiny verge]

the Alpha 1 nightmare with the crash was uh

a reused idea in the full game

but contexualized differently

[jovial rain]

yea thats what i thought

[tiny verge]

in Alpha 1 the story was still under the old Faust storyline

where Peterson was actually Satan

[jovial rain]

oh yea i know i watched Matpat 😭

[tiny verge]

MatPat got it pretty wrong I'm pretty sure

everyone was back then

[jovial rain]

im sad he didnt investigate it today

like all HN2 and HN3 stuff happening

[tiny verge]

God and the Devil had made a bet on who could get more souls, Pre-Alpha man moves to his new house but an electricity pole had fell and he crashed into it
from that point on, PA man is in a purgatory, and in the end of Alpha 1 he loses his soul to the Devil, Satan wins

[jovial rain]

crazy

xd

[tiny verge]

which is represented by the neighbor literally burying the player alive

which by the way WAS HYPE AS HELL when it came out

I won't lie

the prototype teaser trailer has this same ending so I'm quite certain that Pre-Alpha man ends up dying

or well, losing his soul to the Devil

since he already is dead

[jovial rain]

but i think "that guy is the evil man" is a bad story for this type of game, because its noticed from the start, theres no need for investigating why is he bad, because he is bad

[tiny verge]

well that's not necessarily how the old versions made you investigate him

Pre-Alpha man I do not think is aware of the crash

to his knowledge, he's just moved in like he was

not in a purgatory

[jovial rain]

yes but in story when u are writting that he is actually good adds another step in investigation

[jovial rain]

tbh that story feels like a placeholder, a LOT

[tiny verge]

so in his view, he sees this weird strange man across the street

weird glowing light from the basement door that just lures you in

it's probably the second best Hello Neighbor opening of all of them

[tiny verge]

not placeholder

but, it was the first draft

and it really shows, that's why it was changed in Alpha 2

[jovial rain]

yea thats what i mean, like the first thing they came up with

also, is 666 still under neighbor's shoes?

[tiny verge]

in Alpha 2, it gets replaced with a "W" or an "M" depending on how you're looking at it

probably an M though since it could stand for "medium"

[jovial rain]

lol

also, im curious, who is responsible for the development of hello neighbor, tinybuild or earie guest studios?

[tiny verge]

DynamicPixels

[jovial rain]

not anymore after HN1, right?

[tiny verge]

they developed Hello Neighbor 1, Hide and Seek, and they helped out with the studio that made Secret Neighbor

I'm pretty sure they also did Hello Neighbor Nicky's Diaries, and started Hello Neighbor 2

[jovial rain]

what do you think where would lore go if dynamic pixels was still here?

[tiny verge]

then the employees and IP was bought by TinyBuild and then the employees went to a new studio named Eerie Guest Studios

and now EGS makes the games

[tiny verge]

uhhhh

well the big reason why the story changed was because Nikita left sometime after the Neural Network AI trailer

so

it'd go the same

only then Alex wouldn't be able to stop them from using the Guest

because at one point of time it was still DynamicPixel's IP, not TinyBuild's

all TinyBuild did was (poorly) market the game

[jovial rain]

ah yea you are right

also did you see that new kobo modding tool?

[tiny verge]

yeah I hate it

[jovial rain]

same

i got my hands on it today

[tiny verge]

optional or not, Generative AI has no place in this franchise

[jovial rain]

and its probably the lagiest thing i have ever seen in my life

[tiny verge]

they also shittified the menus

and screwed up the lighting too

[jovial rain]

i asked to speed up the player, it wrote me a 100 line of code script, and told nothing what to do with it

[jovial rain]

yes i saw

for some reason house becomes white when i go far away from it

and also that orange Kodo Modding button makes everything worse

[tiny verge]

wanna know what you do in Kokosko's Ultimate Editor Tool for HN2 and HN3..?

you go into the world editor mode, click the player character, and change their speed variable

[jovial rain]

i wanted to do that in kodo, but i couldnt find Any properties of ANYTHING, not just the player

[tiny verge]

same with the Hello Modkit, click the player, scroll down the detail list and change the speed variable

[jovial rain]

UE4 modkit is just pure magic compared to kobo

[tiny verge]

it's so funny how they marketed this as making modding easier

but wow

[jovial rain]

kobo thing just feels like a rushed project just to promote Kobo AI

[tiny verge]

you can't even make Nicky run faster

[tiny verge]

ohhh absolutely

[jovial rain]

i thought to myself, you are supposed to make mods in this

[jovial rain]

thats just holarious

im suprised that they didnt cut the UE4 modkit

that would mark the end of HN1 mods

[tiny verge]

brand new company with no previous information pushing out their crappy modding tool that has an AI assistant tool

[jovial rain]

i genuinely thought it will be some ingame mod editor similar to Secret neighbor level editor, but with more advanced features
this is just sad what did they come up with

i was exited, that word Was is big

[tiny verge]

"thank god he's not entirely insane, entirely being the operative word"

[plush needle]

It is a W according to texture and PSD layer name

[tiny verge]

that's so strange

[limber ridge]

All they had to do for perspective theory to make a Little more sense was have some interaction between Aaron and the kids. That's it. Would make a little more sense with the Aaron triliogy and all.

[untold vigil]

Does the neighbor canonical have a sister?

[gusty flint]

I once thought that was theodores freind ike and him

[wanton roost]

Yes

[willow depot]

Still wouldn't fix forest protectors being exposed taking place before HN1 in the books while the games and AS go against that

And Trinity being in town earlier than she should be

I don't know how she can be in town from someone else's perspective but not be in it in her own

[willow depot]

What do we make out of Norman AND Theodore knowing of future events anyway

I guess Theodore could at least be making a guess that Maya would be the one to die and it just ended up to not be her but what's Norman's deal

[limber ridge]

I mean. In the books Mayor Tavish doesn't get arrested i'm pretty sure. In fact not many cultists are exposed. Some of them could still be making rituals.

[willow depot]

I'm pretty sure Tavish is HN2 mayor

[limber ridge]

Maybe She just remembered the events taking place a lot faster. There are still a lot of stretches but If Trinity met Aaron in the show at least She doesn't completely forget such an important part of the story.

[willow depot]

Wiki says he got arrested but maybe purely due to association with other book arrested cultists

[limber ridge]

So am i. Pretty similar appearance wise too.

[willow depot]

I need to read puzzle master more

[limber ridge]

Again, still many stretches for the story to work but... Better than what we have.

[willow depot]

Yeah

I'd appreciate perspective theory more had it not been hanging on so many stretches ngl

[limber ridge]

At the same time perspective isn't very confirmed. Only heavily implied. For all we know the time loop or even the semi-canon explanations can still be the case.

[willow depot]

Like even taking only the most clear inconsistencies it feels like it could only be done as a cop out against actually making continuity

[limber ridge]

I think the stage play theory works.

From the doc you put here a Little ago.

[willow depot]

I don't really get what it has to do with stage plays aside from Nicky or whoever saying that it's laid out before him like one

And a circle of people acting "like they read the script"

[limber ridge]

Yeah but from there You can say Norman has access to time loops and experience the events already, making him able to predict the future in a way.

[limber ridge]

Although the problem is how would he get the time loop technology, Since he doesn't seem to have much mechanical knowledgde.

[willow depot]

Still even if, I would want to see it actually like being used in action more fully you know?

For example how would Maya dying instead of Lucy change things up, overall what the "correct" version is meant to look like and why changing things to what they are matters

[limber ridge]

He was just as confused on what electromagnetic meant as Aaron.

[willow depot]

Quentin from the future lols

💯

[limber ridge]

That's true. Maybe something about mantaining the balance Norman talks about?

[willow depot]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

About how the devices mantain this delicate balance or whatever he said.

[willow depot]

Honestly still a weird thing to think about

Norman can't be Quentin because Quentin overall lacks the same awareness and overall lives far more simpleish-er

That's alongside having a whole different job and whatnot, and all that applies for HN2 alpha 1-2 "yellow press" plot as well

But Norman still seemingly intentionally resembles Quentin in a lot of aspects

Like their fit is 1 to 1

[limber ridge]

A few details in their appearance are different.

Norman îs described as being with large hands, and tensed shoulders that form a perfect M around his neck, burrowing it.

[willow depot]

Crooked nose too?

[limber ridge]

Hmm. Maybe. Also, Norman is similar in stature to Aaron.

[limber ridge]

Yeah, the M forming shoulders and neck are really weird to think about. Imagine If Franklin is Norman and he was mutated into looking like that lol.

[willow depot]

What if Norman is actually grown Aaron and that's the reason why he leaves clues for himself

Except I don't really wanna deal with the time travel can of worms

[limber ridge]

... After he left home and changed his name to not be recognized by Theodore.

[willow depot]

And he based his appearance closer to Quentin's because he was rescued by him at one point

[limber ridge]

Two Birds with one stone, we now know what happened to Aaron and what is Norman's deal.

[willow depot]

Cinema

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tcalkıs1x-alkıstc1x-tcalkış1x-alkıştc1x-tcalkıs1-gif-11936175987345309458

[willow depot]

Speaking of Aaron though still makes me wonder what's he doing during AS S2

Like does he just hang out by dumpsters traumatized Nicky style

[limber ridge]

Imagine If the cult got him and they are using him to blackmail Peterson into submission.

[willow depot]

Raw, Alex hire this man

[willow depot]

And the rescue squad's mission would be to retrieve Aaron which takes away all the leverage the cult got so they get annihilated

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rhett-mclaughlin-chef's-kiss-exquisite-mwah-kiss-gif-6656179065636742146

[limber ridge]

Would be cool but sadly Aaron won't be in S3 🙁 🙁

[willow depot]

Yeah they'd rather die than give us Aaron content

[eager island]

yeah sadly they scrapped him

[willow depot]

High hopes for HN3

Unless he just moves out eventually

Which I don't think I really see him doing

[limber ridge]

Not sure If he has any way to.

[limber ridge]

At the same time there's also the posibility of them killing him off.

[limber ridge]

Oh, unless Nicky moved out with him.

[willow depot]

And they moved the entire house with them and became roommates!!!

[willow depot]

I think this would be like

The stupidest decision to top any other stupid decision this franchise could've had

[limber ridge]

True.

[willow depot]

Don't even need to go into why

Actually maybe

[willow depot]

Literally the entire HN universe revolves around Aaron ok

[limber ridge]

Also he's as close as You can get to a fan favourite

[willow depot]

Like the gears move AROUND him

The cult did something with him, Theodore is trying to do something with him, Nicky tried to do something with him and by extension the rescue squad, GUEST was doing something with him, Quentin, Norman, so on

[limber ridge]

I think only Theodore is ahead of him in that regard.

[willow depot]

I wonder what would he be doing in HG if he'd be in that game at all

[limber ridge]

I mean he should be, Peterson hid with him in the park there.

[willow depot]

Is rumble on the mill even part of HG

[limber ridge]

Idk, Nikita talked about it as if it was different.

[willow depot]

I heard there's been disagreement about that like it being a revival/last attempt at HG rather than part of it

I think it could be a good narrative all-together though

LNS, ROTM, and Mayak

[limber ridge]

I kinda forgot what does LNS stand for😅

[willow depot]

Late Night Shift which outside of being associated as the name of that fangame was HG's name

Like the guard the park section

[limber ridge]

Oh okay.

Yeah they all work together really.

[eager island]

no

that was a seperate hn2 concept

[willow depot]

Interesting

[willow depot]

Explains the crashed Beatrix van

[willow depot]

Maybe some level squished in-between ROTM and Mayak for a town/storm prelude section especially since there's accent on MITH skipping town and/or crashing his car

That'd be my vision at least I guess(t)

[eager island]

aint the hg "chapter 2" was about funicular and guests den

[willow depot]

I heard about funicular but never figured out what people meant by the den

[ripe berry]

I remember there was also Pipehouse during the transition period between HG and HN2 Alphas

[willow depot]

Probably were gonna see it burn down methinks

Really wish we'd get more fangames revolving around canned HN2 versions

Pipehouse looks amazing with how it hunches over

[ripe berry]

especially since-
didn't Nikita release footage of Rumble on the Mill?

I think we jave just enough from the footage and stuff to at the very least recreate that chapter of HG

[willow depot]

And the gameplay gimmick

[honest nebula]

Hello guys

[ripe berry]

uh, hi?

[dusty trench]

I feel like persoective theory and other symbolic metaphors can wirk with stae play theory. And in other theories ive made a while back in this discussion ive brought up weird time travel implications such as the note Norman sends to Aaron an other stuff about his character but I didnt know if it would work. But the fat that Mr. Peterson and other characters like Jay Roth were brought up in the stage play theory it makes so much sense. It can even tie into how Mayak can tie into the strange story differenences in characters perspective. And the weird differences dont just come from metaphors and symbolic representation, like sure thats part of how and why things are in story continuity. But we cant forget all of th sci fi stuff. The technology. Weird stuff like time loops. I think we have dived hugely into metaphors in characters mindsets to figure out theyre perspective. Bit we need to realize the technology. Like even a while ago I even mentioned thetechnologies a lot and how it works like luck devices, weather machines in the station and the laser beam. But for the time loops and manipulation ive explained metaphorically in terms of how it affected the characters like the reacue squad and in reset day. But the story seems to suggest timelooops way earlier on, and time travel in a way. Like how Mr. Peterson Norman and other charactsrs like Jay know future stuff or implied to. Peopl need to realize the huge amount of sci fo stuff in this.

[limber ridge]

So it's a mix of time loops and perspectives? That could work i guess but it feels a little out of order.

[dusty trench]

wdym by out of order

[limber ridge]

Basically If one is true what is the other needed for?

[ripe berry]

there are some things that the rules of the time loops can NOT explain

[limber ridge]

That's true too.

[ripe berry]

in Reset Day, Ms. Tillman dies during the loop and DOESN'T get revived

[ripe berry]

thus the contradictory nature of when Missing Pieces occurs and when HNHS occur on the timeline can NOT be due to the timeloops

[limber ridge]

Didn't she get out of town?

[ripe berry]

I swear the book said she was dead

[limber ridge]

I was thinking more about Phones in 1996

[ripe berry]

that too

[limber ridge]

She was. But is it necesarily stated She died in Raven Brooks?

I guess they both can work together to better explain stuff though.

[dusty trench]

I see wym. But this is how I see it. What I think is that we view the story through th charactwrs minset. And we see metaphorical symbols and stuff which connect to events and characters in the story, he ce as to why Nikita said that Nicky cant see the thing, he feels it. But we the viewer can see it because we the view thestory in the characters mindset. And metaphors and aymbols are goven to us and we have to figure oit what they represent. And why we figure out what they represent is because ae use them to figure out what that characters persoctive is. Like we use those to figure out what is actually happening like the events, and the characters. And when we figure out what is actually happening, we also learn more of how things work in the series. We use metaphorical symbolism to figure out what is actually happeing in the story, and since the technology like timeloops and luck devices play a hige role, we figure out how they work. But we figure out the more in depth meaning with the characters first becaue when we figure out theyre persoective and what they experienced, we can figure out the technology in universe. I hope that makes sense to you.

[limber ridge]

I see

[ripe berry]

HOWEVER contradictory dates compared to when it actually occurred makes perfect sense if you're recalling something long after it happened

[dusty trench]

yea

[ripe berry]

(because again it's at the very least implied that time loops can NOT revive people in this universe, which means some contradictions are time loops, others are perspectives)

[limber ridge]

Then it feels a Little complex but i guess it works.

[dusty trench]

it is very complex, since its like a puzzle.

[ripe berry]

then again when ISN'T this franchise complex

the Guest exists in HNVR yet supposedly it's origins are going to occur in AS Season 3 (NOT a flashback)

[ripe berry]

which is a thing that can't be explained under perspectives alone

[ripe berry]

(then again I'm not actually sure on this because there's one instance of contradictory fates now in this franchise, one where Lucy Yi vanishes without a trace and one where Lucy Yi actually dies)

ok screw it let's just say time loops CAN revive people because thinking about it some more some things that have to be blamed on time loops don't work unless time loops can revive you. (Trinity being in Aaron Trilogy but not moving in until 1996 in the AS)

and that's really the problem
Time Loops has more logic to it and has 2 books and Hello Engineer as direct proof but perspective stuff seems to be getting pushed by the people at tinyBuild and has two games as direct proof

but hey, saying it's a mix of both is a nice compromise, let's all of the evidence work together

[dusty trench]

yea

[scarlet sandal]

Yo guys if the Thing doesn’t really “exist” and Nicky doesn’t actually see him then how does one explain the lore of Secret Neighbor where everybody can see the Thing

Or is secret neighbor not canon

[vagrant igloo]

atp SN is pretty much just not canon

[dusty trench]

no its canon. Super weird tho bit we do have answers for a lotnof stuff. And this is confirmed by Alex and Nikita.

[dusty trench]

The thing us the general concept of fear. The encounters with him and mentions like how Nikcy said shadow multiple time in AS is metaphorical.

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah it’s a physical entity in Secret Neighbor that everyone can see it’s not metaphorical there

[dusty trench]

it is metaphorical

huge part of SN is imagination

[scarlet sandal]

Bro what 😭

[dusty trench]

which is weird

[scarlet sandal]

Bro if it can grab us then it is physical correct?

[dusty trench]

👆

[scarlet sandal]

So the kids are imagining themselves getting kidnapped)

[dusty trench]

oh wait hold on

lme explain

[scarlet sandal]

Bro this explanation better be amazing 💔🥀

[dusty trench]

the thing in hello neighbor universe is the general concept of fear. Not a character tht is physical, not a character that they can see, and really not a charactar at all. Its a metaphorical representation of fear within the hello neighbor universe that us, the viewer can see. We view th story of hello neighbor through the characters mindsets. We see a lot of metaphors and symbolic represetation. Why they tell it lik thisnis because they want us to figure out wht the metaphors and symbols represent so we can figure out what is actuallu going on in the story, and in turn figure out how stuff works in HN like the technology. But giing back on topic of the thing, its metpahorical. The thing as I said before is the general concpet of fear. And metaphors can also be shown even through dialouge, such as Nicky seeming like he sees the thing in AS and even saying shadow, aswell as the drawings of the thing. And thats inportant aswell.

[dusty trench]

hold on lemme forward some messages that will explain and finish it.

theres mor hold on sorry

i cat forward my messgaes anymore for some reason so ima just copy them.

mb for it takimg so long

back in topic

wait it just gave me a spam warning the heck

i cant copy?

hold on sorry 💀

[ripe berry]

spam prevention mechanisms

[dusty trench]

Okay well another spam warning

[ripe berry]

too many messages in a short time period will look like spam to a bot.

[dusty trench]

Yea didnt realize that

guess ill wait

[ripe berry]

the only reason you probably didn't experience this before is because you either only forwarded a couple of messages or you typed everything out, giving the bot enough time to no longer see it as spam

[dusty trench]

yea

hopefully we go back in topic now

NOOO

It aint workin

[dusty trench]

sorry it finna have to wait.

💀

there is no way i have to retype everything

[scarlet sandal]

Bro spent 30 minutes giving me the hello neighbor lore

Bro is a true hello neighbor fan

Thanks for the reply

[dusty trench]

No problem

wait do you get it now or do you wnat more info

either way im gonna send more info

[scarlet sandal]

Yeah I get it now basically it’s fear manifestation

[dusty trench]

yea

okay you know what

I have the strat

[dusty trench]

@scarlet sandal these videos im about to send are screen recorded by me. And they are of me and user @marsh idol discussing the hello neighbor lore, talking about dofferent theories ideas and confirming lore on hello neighbor. We also look at many other ideas and theories on HN and forwarded them to our discussion. And some of this stuff can tie into what we were talking about.

ima send more stuff since this stuff is older.

Okay apparently the first video file is too big

😭

okay all 4 pf them are

okay read this down

this

even this

yep

another one

[vagrant igloo]

which is why i said "pretty much" not canon

[dusty trench]

worded wrong. Imagination yes, part of it, not huge in terms of it not mattering. Its metaphorical, hugely, thats what i was going at.

you cam read the messages i forwarded and replied about since they tie in.

this

this message too

more on timeloops

mayak and roger and adele

Nikita and Alex talk

Timeline talk

more timeline talk

another timeline talk

you ca read all the way down on those too

[marsh idol]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[dusty trench]

💀

not wrong tho

this discussion is most interestong to me

these videos too

[tiny verge]

Secret Neighbor is not reliable

it may be "canon" but to actually find out what IS and ISN'T real is what makes it so unreliable

Idk why you're still trying your best to hold onto this idea that he's an entity

it fundamentally goes against the franchise

[dusty trench]

Yea. It is the least important HN game since its the most spin off HN game there is. It has stiff important to the series an can tie into other games, but like all of that stuff is explained im other games and media like books and AS. SN adds onto it in a small way.

Even HE has more lore,

like wayy more lore.

there is some stuff like this in SN, and the environment of the maps and metaphorical symbols. Even the badge descriptions. But yea.

[tiny verge]

I don't wanna even acknowledge Hello Engineer

[dusty trench]

My personal opinion, i love HE

[ripe berry]

yeah
though ironically enough, for being the least important of the spinoffs (outside of Diaries), SN is the hardest of the games to understand

[scarlet sandal]

Bro I’m not holding onto anything I’m just asking a question cus in Secret Neighbor and in the show it’s clearly an inter actable entity

But if you look at the main game lore it’s not

[marsh idol]

it’s not really that..

[dusty trench]

weirdly true

[marsh idol]

first off it’s STATED directly by the creator that the Thing is not a real, thing.

hello neighbor is a messy story about figuring what’s true and what isnt on your own, and here with what nikita states, you can make out that the Thing isnt really there for all the kids to see, it’s just game mechanics and what not

[scarlet sandal]

Ok I understand that part of SN isn’t canon then

Or it’s the kids imaginations or whatever

[dusty trench]

canon

[dusty trench]

hugely metaphorical, but imagination is a little part of the metaphors, but has way more depth so you gotta think deeper. Like we see of the rocket event, and the main menu.

and dont forget Quentin.

The badges

the loading screen text

the environmental storytelling

events and trophies

and other easter eggs that seem lore important, most just are.

Only thing is that SN while being the least important (as of rn), is also really complicated.

ties to so many games.

and seems like its spread out across multiple time periods, in a way.

like it centers around one event (mostly), but badges and other stuff tell otherwise.

like the abandonded theodore house badge, and the slingshot wars brawl map. Even the map 4 missing and wanted map.

Even the Mayak event and Rocket event

which Rocket event hints to HE ending.

[limber ridge]

The origin not being a flashback doesn't necesarily mean he couldn't appear prior. For exemple, it could be an improvisation or in-universe storytelling. That claim only really debunks the fact that Franklin can be the guest because we've only seen him in a flashback.

[wanton roost]

Yes because hello neighbor is like full of retellings

and like a loop

[limber ridge]

I find it very weird how in games the thing literally doesn't exist. Not as a dream, not as a hallucination. Just a representation of fears that exists solely for the audience. But in show it looks like a hallucination.

Unless he doesn't exist in the cartoon either and Nicky is screaming and running away from Trinity, but she imagined Nicky isn't running from her and having hallucinations.

[normal nimbus]

[ocean sail]

im da neighbor guys

[shell gull]

Everything in SN is imagination, it’s Rescue Squad imagining how they’ll break into Peterson house, though the thing the imagine do have things to do with the Lore heavily especially things like the badges.

[jovial rain]

Tbh, im really confused with crowfaces in WTRB, why just random people become crowfaces, lore is so bad

it was much better when it was just one crowman

in my opinion, WTRB ruined everything

if someone disagrees, i would love to hear why, i wanna understand this because i love HN lore and by my current understanding, it feels bad

[dusty trench]

Yea. And dont forget the events the easter eggs in game, and Quentin being there including The Guest, and Otto.

[jovial rain]

also isnt Nicky really good friend witg Aaron, and in the series i never saw Nicky mentian Aaron even once (i came to season2)

[near cosmos]

I don't think they where friends (in wtrb I mean)

Maybe it's different bc it's someone else perspective? Idk

Trinity perspective, I would love to see people answering you bc im curious too

[dusty trench]

@jovial rain I understand how the AS and other HN medias can be confusong after coming from one. Since well, everything is canon (except early builds but ideas from them are used commonly to fit the games canon). This is older and my wording wasnt the best, but I hope these help some confusion on the story. This is my theory on how teh AS can fit cleanly with the lore. And there is a lot of paragraphs by me so you will have to scroll down and read since I typed, a lot lol. If you wnat me to elaborate more I will send more stuff to add some clarity.

Also if your wondering, I do like the AS lore. But at the same time i csn understand confusion.

[dusty trench]

@jovial rain this message can tie in aswell

@jovial rain This mesage tpo from Alex (click the link so it can forward you too the full messages).

@jovial rain This text box too (idk why it was put like that). Also scroll down from this mesage when you click the message im replying too becaue it adds on more. This was a discussion between me and someone else.

[ripe berry]

I think it formatted into a .txt due to the length

[dusty trench]

@jovial rain scroll down to see more paragraphs that have more info.

[dusty trench]

ohh that makes sense

@jovial rain this oneyiu gotta scroll down aswell since i elaborate more as you go down.

@jovial rain you definetky gotta scroll down on this since I explain what I think takes place in order in the hello neighbor timeline. But I mainly connect the AS to the rest of the hello neighbor lore.

@jovial rain this isa contuation of the previous one i sent right befire and if you scroll down thereis more info.

@jovial rain

@jovial rain

@jovial rain Even tho this isme talking a little about something else, I do mention widley on AS and the overall lote here so i do recommend you read this tok since this is useful.

@jovial rain

[ripe berry]

rough visual version I made at the time of their timeline

[dusty trench]

oh yea I remember this

[dusty trench]

@jovial rain also there is way more paragraphs below upon this one which explains AS mostly.

@jovial rain

@jovial rain Also this discussion isalso really useful for more lore. Yea yiu will have to scroll dow on these for closure but I aint lying when I say this is useful.

@jovial rain this is another timline look by @ripe berry

that I believe is useful

[tiny verge]

anyways
#hn3-discussion message

I don't think Peterson actually has death traps

the show even has him say he didn't kill anyone as if we're supposed to feel like we were wrong for thinking he's a killer

having those traps symbolize how the kids feel would probably help add onto that I'd say

to try and make the viewer THINK he is a killer

but Peterson's not actually a killer in the show, the only one he actively tries to kill is that Forest Protector member trying to kill him

I don't think this is the same depiction as he's shown in the books

in the Nicky trilogy, he was alot more unnerving

he would say weird stuff like how bones aren't all needed in response to Diane saying the Petersons were the skeleton

I feel this is a much better depiction still, but I don't hate how the show does him

(furthermore, the extent of his strength can also be overplayed because of it being the perspective of the kids)

[neat phoenix]

How long did it take

Also the timeline is very cool

[limber ridge]

Yeah. The traps are probably only as real as the act 3 house. I do believe he set up some traps but most certainly not all of that sharpery. Just like he probably did make some renovations to the house, but not to the point of adding like... An irelevant amount of house stories.

[limber ridge]

The "crowfaces" aren't the guest, but rather the ravens, a cult from the books that steals the fortune of RB citizens in favour of their own fortune. Although, they should most definitely have them look different from the guest. Or more different to avoid confusion like this.

[kind imp]

guys do u think hello neighbor 3 will have same map as second game?

[limber ridge]

I don't think so, no.

[kind imp]

this will be bad cause hello neighbor 2 is already cannon and raven brooks map is already built (this will be bad for my opinion)

[ripe berry]

it doesn't matter since the layout of the Neighbor's house is different in every game anyways

[limber ridge]

Okay, so like have You ever seen any theories You think might get close on what the guest reveal can be?

[kind imp]

but in HN1 there wasnt much lore

so if map was changed it was better

[kind imp]

petersons brother for my opinion

[willow depot]

I think it being like

Some guy and not an actual mythical entity

HN3 prototype 3 was leaning into that a lot

How does that tie in with his definitely above-human feats? I dunno

[kind imp]

yeah i can agree hes not the human but i also agree that petersons brother is guest turned into some monster? idk

[willow depot]

Forest protectors were around for longer than whatever happened to Franklin

[tiny verge]

"crowfaces" are just the Forest Protectors but with a redesign to make them much more obviously worshipping the Guest

[tiny verge]

I hate that tbh

it doesn't make sense

[limber ridge]

Gonna be the pumpkin kid from the totally unscrapped storyline /j

[willow depot]

Pumpkin kid and not the Guest kid

Yeah seems accurate

[limber ridge]

What? Why would the guest kid be the guest?

[willow depot]

I mean

Kinda tracks

[limber ridge]

Sorry for being a skeptic but is there anything outside the show suggesting that?

Oh actually the old Inventor's club consipiracy board might.

[willow depot]

I'm joking too

A jab at the choice of PUMPKIN kid when there's already Guest "stand-in"/"equivalent" in the halloween kids group

So are we gonna talk about how they brought them up again just to talk about Keith and Mayor

[limber ridge]

Like, the kids from the incident?

[willow depot]

Yea

Now that I think about it the same happened to Beatrix almost

Likely killed off (although unconfirmed) to give Quentin trauma or something

[limber ridge]

Prolly.

[limber ridge]

Although i amn't sure how the hw incident Ties in with the Mayor, i remember only Keith being part of it. Or i don't remember at least.

[willow depot]

Didn't he get praised by Mayor

[limber ridge]

Oh right.

[normal nimbus]

Ho guys

[limber ridge]

Is the alien kid even Gerda now?

[normal nimbus]

Hi guysss

[eager island]

yes

[limber ridge]

Ho ho ho

[normal nimbus]

Do u guys have a lore for alpha 1 2 3

[limber ridge]

Of hn1?

[normal nimbus]

Alpha

[normal nimbus]

Yes

[limber ridge]

In Alpha 1 The neighbor is the Devil. In Alpha 2- beta 3 the protagonist is the neighbor's son.

[limber ridge]

Barely remember other details and i don't wanna spread misinfo.

[dusty trench]

also coma storyline from early days too

Wait was coma storyline connected to the devil one iirc

like the same?

[limber ridge]

I think so?

Can't remember If our character was dead or in a coma.

[shell gull]

Yup.

[normal nimbus]

In alpha 1 the neighbor is gonna do a car Crash in alpha 2 hello neihgborg and his brother put no basement a Family and alpha 3 his wife died

[vagrant igloo]

what

[normal nimbus]

Real life históry

[jovial rain]

thanks bro u really told me a lot 💪

i read many of your pharagraphs that u were sending

but one thing, the crowface cult feels too unrealistic tho, why would people wear crow suits and kill others...

also, who knocked quentin?

u can dm me if you want if you have another long explanation, because im really into HN lore so if u want you are free to dm me about this

because i see you love talking about lore (from reading your pharagraphs)

[marsh idol]

the crow faces, aka the raven society, believed that the unusual storm is a supernatural phenomenon, and that the Raven Man is their protector, the guest represents control over fate, storms and life itself.
they dress up as these crow faces because they’re copying the guest’s image, as in they are worshipping him because they see him as a guardian of the storm who protects them, and thinks they would be rewarded in their motives, even though they are just abusing his symbol and the technology behind it.

they kill people using the storm to scare the town, make the town think it’s bad luck affecting them

the raven society want fame, money, control, and maintaining a fear around the storms

[marsh idol]

these crow faces are people who believe that the guest controls the storm and thinks worshipping him means he will be their guardian

these arent random people, it’s people who believe in this phenomenon

the true crow face is the guest, but he has a cult behind him named the forest protectors/raven society who thinks he’s this supernatural angel who controls the storm, and thinks by using technology to control the storm itself and cause accidents to scare the town will be in the guest’s best interest

[marsh idol]

there is one true crow man that is the guest as i said before, but the reason there is multiple crow faces is because these people who dress up as the crow faces believe that the guest is their guardian, and made a cult around him doing these bad things for fame, wealth and to keep the belief of bad luck affecting the town

explaining the forest protectors

The Forest Protectors (also called the Raven Society) are a secretive group in Hello Neighbor that formed around old Raven Brooks folklore about storms, ravens, and “luck,” believing that chaos in nature could be controlled and exploited rather than feared; they use man-made technology, mainly weather-related machines, the MAYAK station, and so-called luck devices, to predict and subtly guide storms, accidents, and misfortune, then disguise these engineered disasters as fate or curses to maintain power over the town. They dress in crow imagery because ravens symbolize omens, life, and death in folklore, and they elevate the Guest/Raven Man as a guardian figure or symbol rather than a god, believing that honoring or imitating him keeps them “protected” from the storms they manipulate themselves. Over time, their beliefs rot into fanaticism and greed, merging with corporate control through Golden Apple, turning rituals, festivals, and coins into tools of manipulation, while their actions destroy Raven Brooks socially and physically, leaving the town abandoned and haunted more by human obsession and control than by anything truly supernatural.

[jovial rain]

thanks man

that makes a lot of sense

i dont like the story tho, they overcomplicated it and made it mega unrealistic

but i love exploring the lore

[dusty trench]

The best explanation I ever read ❤️

[marsh idol]

i ask, what do you mean by unrealistic?

[jovial rain]

people believing in such things, also, is the real guest a human or?

[dusty trench]

Its not confirmed if he’s human or if he is a creature in universe

[jovial rain]

thats what confuses me curently

[marsh idol]

it’s to show the delusions in these humans; like truly, nobody normal like me snd you would believe such a thing. but these are just blind people who follow this “religion”, and we do have people like that in real life

[jovial rain]

is mr peterson among them?

[marsh idol]

as believers?

[dusty trench]

no

[marsh idol]

yea nah

hes the one who’s investigating them

trying to stop them

[dusty trench]

But he is also a maniac

[marsh idol]

his parents were the ones behind the creation of the MAYAK station so he isn’t falling for the bad luck stuff

[marsh idol]

he dissolved into one yes

[wicked heath]

Not every maniacs work together :)

[dusty trench]

and still not a good person

[dusty trench]

i know

as I said he isnt amung them

[jovial rain]

trying to protect his kid tho

[marsh idol]

deep down hes got a good heart

[jovial rain]

yea xd

[marsh idol]

but wrong execution

[dusty trench]

yes

[wicked heath]

For aaron yes

[jovial rain]

also i watched in WTRB S1, he blew up a school what???? that doesnt make sense

[wicked heath]

For anyone else? Hes a freakin monster

[marsh idol]

like did you ever think he’d even feed Aaron

[dusty trench]

yea

[wicked heath]

Okay, he does spare lives, but cmon look at Nicky!

[marsh idol]

i haven’t seen one media where he like slides food through the door

[jovial rain]

there were cans of soda in the basement...

[marsh idol]

you may be misremembering

the only thing i remember exploding was Trinity’s house

[jovial rain]

also school boiler room

[dusty trench]

No he exploded the school too

in season 1

[jovial rain]

that makes -0 sense

[marsh idol]

might need to rewatch rq

[jovial rain]

why would he explode it lol

[wicked heath]

Abanante is principal

[dusty trench]

He exploded the Principals office since she is a cult member.

[wicked heath]

Its the only room that blew up

[jovial rain]

oh yea.. so idk will i watch other episodes but whatever i dont mind spoilers

spoilers never break my experience

[dusty trench]

i thiught you watched season 2

[jovial rain]

i did

not filly

fully

cuz i got bored

idk will i continue

[dusty trench]

ohhhh

[jovial rain]

but i already knew she was in cult

[wicked heath]

So like, theres two big threats to raven brooks. The first one is one you really dont have to worry abt unless you rlly mess with him: the neighbour

[dusty trench]

mb

[wicked heath]

The second one, the most dangerous, is the cult

[jovial rain]

third: being Aaron Peterson

[wicked heath]

Thid: gooseman

[wicked heath]

Everyone after the kid man…

[jovial rain]

lol

also

who knocked Quentin

at end of HN2

[wicked heath]

A cultist

Identity unknown

But it is a cultist

[jovial rain]

ok ty

[ripe berry]

and in Season 2 Episode 7 he straight up kills a cultist that might've been Abanante

[ripe berry]

(known due to teasers for the scrapped story expansion)

[marsh idol]

i’d say it’s the guest
behind the scenes he seems to be using the cult to his advantage which we don’t even know what he wants

plus the cult is under his knee either way

[ripe berry]

(the holes in the side of the face match with one of the cultists in the conversation between an unknown cultist and Abanante)

[dusty trench]

probably

[ripe berry]

however we also know the Guest isn't actually aligned with the cult itself

[dusty trench]

yea

we dont know its goal or motives

since we have no identity

[ripe berry]

even though this teaser is cropped, we can see JUST enough to tell that this is the Guest killing a Cultist in the Mayak Tunnels

[dusty trench]

most of The Guest as a character and portrayal has been metaphorical, like in S&R

[marsh idol]

which is why he would be the most dangerous

[low kite]

Now the question is why would the Guest kill members of the cult who worship him?

[marsh idol]

the cult is abusing his symbol

[ripe berry]

(you can see the brown bit of the Guest's Cloak and that's not Peterson's shoes)

[marsh idol]

they’re blinded by what they think is what the guest wants

[wicked heath]

Ask Bendy the ink demon

[ripe berry]

sometimes the cult does things the Guest doesn't agree with

[marsh idol]

they think what they do is what the guest wants, when they’re just blinded in their delusions

we even know their entire belief is false, the guest is no guardian

[ripe berry]

in that same scrapped content expansion teaser the Guest saves Quentin from being sacrificed by the Cult

[marsh idol]

nor does he have anything to do with the storms

[marsh idol]

caught that reference

[ripe berry]

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM?si=FItWtYeG09UdzWd4

[marsh idol]

[wicked heath]

So based

[ripe berry]

Can I get an amen?

[low kite]

I said, can I get an amen??

[marsh idol]

[dusty trench]

Also strange since The Guest attacks Quentin later on. Which really is like, what does he want. Was he using Quentin for something, probably. Its like, what is his deal. Even the hwole thing with Aaron in S&R. But at the same timehe is represented in that game with distorted creepy music and even when your as him in gameplay when hetouches stuff it disapears into feathers which can be a metaphor for the fact that his symbol has been tarnished, and portrayed with evil, bad luck. And in a way The Guest represents the town metaphorically. And even the symbolism with Mr. Peterson is all the more depth, since he is running awa from The Guest. Even with all of the metaphorical representation of them showing Mr. Peterson becoming a monster, represented with The Guest. But then again we dont know his full motives, which is why I say The Guest is usually portrayed metaphorically which yes is apparent, but why?

[ripe berry]

and I mean, idk how common it is now, but it was a common theory at one point that the Guest was leading Quentin throughout all of HN2

[tiny verge]

unless he's using the Mayak that is

[dusty trench]

yea. There was a theory that he is protectong the power of Mayak but im not sure.

It could be partailly true.

[tiny verge]

we atleast know in HN3 the Guest could be using the Mayak

whether or not he's the same Guest we don't know

[dusty trench]

I believe that to be true. I just dont know what he was leading him for.

[dusty trench]

Also maybe in Reset Day from the timeloops.

[marsh idol]

probably

we have yet to see

just release WTRB s3 already

[tiny verge]

I feel like it would be HN3 to reveal if he's the same Guest rather than WTRB

[dusty trench]

WTRB with probably just explain the concept of The Guest and Mayak and The Guest identity.

And HN3 will elaborate more, by shouwng the outcome.

[jovial rain]

what do u guys think, will HN3 include Nicky or not

[marsh idol]

he has no reason to be in HN3

[jovial rain]

not as a main character, but probably as a side one or an easter egg

[dusty trench]

Maybe idk, or most likely imo just reference him to give us a hit on what happened without showing him.

[ripe berry]

I mean, there has to be a lore explanation to who takes uentin back to the RBB every night, who sets up the CCTV Feed to show Quentin where to go next, and why the Crows ALWAYS happen to circle the building Quentin needs to go to next

[tiny verge]

an easter egg maybe

but nothing more

not even a side character

[jovial rain]

yea

[dusty trench]

Yea I believe that to be The Guest. Or maybe Norman.

[marsh idol]

the guest being put in the spotlight is all i need

i’m glad people actually start to see the brighter side of HN when watching the show rather then the games

[dusty trench]

Yea fr

[dusty trench]

YES

[jovial rain]

in my opinion, lore of the game would be better without WTRB

[marsh idol]

the crow faces was already a thing before the show

[dusty trench]

Its the design that the issue for people, atleast when it comes to that.

[ripe berry]

but then again GN2 already explains using a basis of real world science how the Mayak Weather Station works, something about applying the Doppler Effect on a massive scale to cause the flood (which iirc was something about freezing water molocules in the sky)

[jovial rain]

still, everything is weird and confusing with the kids

[marsh idol]

youre not alone

[marsh idol]

i don’t get why people hate the forest protectors resembling the guest, it makes the most sense lore wise

why would the cultist be plague doctors??

[ripe berry]

so the only thing left to explain there is how it causes timeloops

[jovial rain]

kids are NOT needed in the game, except Nicky in HN1 and Aaron

[dusty trench]

They might do it in a way thats for a wider audience. Since they did want to use the AS to streamline the HN story.

[ripe berry]

oh, and uh, the giant laserbeam thing

[dusty trench]

Aslo dont forget HE and the many easter eggs to technology

[dusty trench]

yea

[dusty trench]

True

[ripe berry]

can't wait for the Luck Devices to just be manipulation of Quantum Physics or something like that

[dusty trench]

Also dont forget they are weather detectors

[tiny verge]

honestly I hope the show atleast shows us what they planned for Act 2

cause there's 100% more that we don't know

if the show gives us more maybe someone can make a mod of Act 2

[dusty trench]

Yea I think that is one of their goals for this.

[tiny verge]

I hope and pray it is

[low kite]

How is the show going to answer all these questions in just 5 episodes?

[tiny verge]

gives me more material as well

[ripe berry]

Please tinyBuild give us ANY update on WtRB

[tiny verge]

Idk

I just have false hope

[low kite]

Unless the episodes are all 15-20 minutes long or they are making additional episodes, we'll just have to wait until after New Years Day.

[ripe berry]

last I recall in August the final episode had a final review round on animation and they still had to do Voice Over for the final 2 episodes

[dusty trench]

Its probably going to be suoer metaphorical which fits HN, but probaky in a way for us to understand better. Probaly just in the finale. Or since this season is that HE magic, maybe throught out the kids will learn how things work like the luck devices and they will just show it to us i stead of a whole essay exploring it. And even xoom in on a blueprint or sum showing the weather machines and devices and it has text for us to read if we puse it, and the emphasize it by zooming in ir maybe the kids read it or see a cult member or Mr. Peterson using the tech, that they learn from them and use it in the series. Like they use the technology to solve puzzles and find secret passages like the catacombs and tunnels, the wetahe station, or even go back to Peterson house in the bademet to se how huge the basement really is. And maybe in this way S3 can be more straight foward and showing us action in a way that also explins lore and characters in a goo streamline way, leading us to the finale whic is the weather station later on since thats the finale. And in the finale they will reveal Guest concept, and maybe identity to give us more look on his character. That I feel lik is a good way to streamline it in a simple way, that isnt problematic.

[dusty trench]

Iirc Alex or someone was takking about a kickstarter for the series and if you support enough amount of money then yiur name gets put in the credits or sun like that and maybe a 1 or 30 min hour finale.

idk I mostly remember the kickstarter part

[low kite]

1 hour finale?

[dusty trench]

it was from one if those AS teaser vids

dont know which channel

they all look the same lol

[ripe berry]

no mention of anything like that afaik outside of the idea for a kickstarter

[dusty trench]

yea thats what I thought

I just wanted confirmation if it was true

[ripe berry]

however I WILL note that Alex actually decided to take a whole episode AWAY from Season 3 because he thought Season 2 needed it more then Season 3

(or smth like that idk)

[dusty trench]

oh didnt know that

[low kite]

That episode was Episode 7: Say Goodbye.

[dusty trench]

makes sense

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

oh I remember seeing that

didnt pay attention to it

[ripe berry]

(beforehand each season would've had 6 episodes)

[dusty trench]

Maybe a dark reveal in the finale, like Guest origin.

[ripe berry]

I mean Alex said there's a reveal at the end of Season 3
#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

yea

[dusty trench]

also since he said in a way that make sense, which men this could work.

maybe

Also the fact that AS is supposed to streamline the series.

[ripe berry]

Alex also confirmed the Guest's HN2 design would be explained in the last episode of Season 3
#hello-neighbor message

[ripe berry]

which also means this is a frame from Episode 18

[dusty trench]

Maybe that teaser isin the finale and he killed a cultist and got the robe, and maybe an incident at the station happened which leads to his beat up design in game mainly his forest design.

[ripe berry]

(especially since Alex said Ep. 18 would have "ALL THE BLOOD")

[dusty trench]

yup

teaser definetly finale

[ripe berry]

and at one point said that "The guest takes everyone out"
#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

Also what if they end off the series by revealing the kids were trapped in a time loop, or maybe they figure out earlier and they escape it, and that can explain why Alex said they will explain the technology in the series.

[dusty trench]

yes

[low kite]

That could mean the rescue squad (which I highly doubt would happen) or the prominent members of the cult we know so far.

[dusty trench]

most likely cult members

[ripe berry]

I'd say if Gerda, the Mayor, Otto, or Leslie die that means that episode has to be either partway through or after HN2

[dusty trench]

Also wha if the end shows that the kids arelooking back on the past in the 2000’s and S3 will show the impact they had after being in a timeloop and even after escaping, theyre trauma still plays in there head like a timeloop. Like maybe showing them later on a little older like high schoolers in like a therapy session or looking back (maybe getting over there fears).

[ripe berry]

Abanante (who has seemingly already died) is the only one they could kill without impacting where it falls relative to the HN2 Storyline

[low kite]

Doesn't HN2 take place right after Mr. Peterson escapes prison?

[ripe berry]

at least 1 day after he does due to the following logic:

The School closes down after Abanante dies

the HN2 DLCs take place over the course of one day

[dusty trench]

I say another golden apple disaster happens that we will see in S3

[ripe berry]

the HN2 DLCs have Quentin still investigating why Nicky went missing, which he isn't during HN2 Base Game

thus the intro of HN2 begins a day after Ted's prison escape

(or more)

[dusty trench]

so Quentin knocked out through out S3

[ripe berry]

depends on what happens to Leslie, Gerda, Otto, and the Mayor

if any of them die that episode must occur after their "Day" in HN2 (minus Leslie who it could be argued the Episode would coincide with Keith's "day" in HN2)

[dusty trench]

Its strange since Mr. Peterson is inside S3 teasers at the park even in day like around multiple people.

[ripe berry]

(no matter what I still believe AS Season 3, HN2, Hello Engineer, and GN2 will all occur around the same time)

[dusty trench]

Yes for sure. But maybe HN2 intro takes place a little later in the season.

like in the middle or near begining like EP2 or 3 after park incident.