lore-discussion

[dreamy sluice]

that is janusz but young opening the bakery

there is a photo of what the completed ritual should look like

that's the book from the intro

ect

everything there is important

[west falcon]

this is intresting

[wary flame]

Why would he imagine that

Oh ok

wow I should read

but yeah that would be cool if he dreamed of that while he was knocked out

[tiny verge]

tbh I don't know

I'm just trying to make sense of it

[dusty trench]

The Nikta and MegaM video elaborstes on that storyline

[true ingot]

The first batch is pretty obvious considering they are hints to how you can interact with the NPCs

[vagrant igloo]

honestly it's possible the current a1.5 lore has nothing to do with quentin

[willow depot]

I mean half of these are gameplay pointers

kept alongside lore

so I guess they count

[wicked heath]

Wait genuinely?

[quaint kindle]

Wait wouldn't hello neighbor two take place between act 3 and act 2 or am I just slow

Since he's getting arrested after Nicky escapes

[glacial whale]

Yes it’s right after act 2

[quaint kindle]

Cool thx thought so

What about HN3 prototype

Is there a timeline for that yet?

[ripe berry]

HN3 has currently been said to occur in 2028, which if 11 years after Act 3

[gusty flint]

is issac irises brother?

[ripe berry]

yes

[quaint kindle]

Ohhhhh alr thx

[quaint kindle]

Wait what is the time diff from act 2 to act 3

[ripe berry]

21 years (1996-2017)

[marsh idol]

2028, after everything

[quaint kindle]

That makes sense thx

I'm new to the lore but been playing the games (alphas before actual game) since they were around first released

[quaint kindle]

Oh kk thx

[ripe berry]

if you want to know when everything occurs (ignoring the fact that there's conflicting dates):
Games:
HNHS - March-May 1995
Act 1 - Late 1996
HNVR - 2 months after Act 1
Act 2 - directly after HNVR
HN2 DLCs - sometime after Act 1 but before HN2 Base Game
HN2 - 1996
HE - agreed to be sometime between Act 1 and the HN2 Forest Sidequest
HN2 Forest Sidequest - sometime after HN2 Base Game
SN - commonly agreed to be sometime after Act 1
Act 3 + Finale - December 2017
HND - directly after Act Finale
HN3 - March 2028
Books:
Bosco Bay - 1984
Bad Blood - 1991
Grave Mistakes - 1992
Puzzle Master - 1992
Missing Pieces - 1995
Waking Nightmare - 1995
Buried Secrets - 1996
Raven Brooks Disaster - sometime between Buried Secrets and Reset Day
Reset Day - 2021
Animated Series: unknown

[quaint kindle]

I would think that secret neighbor and the show like intersects

Sorra

[ripe berry]

yeah
since nothing in SN is real and due to the contradiction stuff it's hard to tell where exactly in the timeline SN occurs

[wise bridge]

if peterson is 51 in act 1 and 2 he could have served in vietnam since the acts take place in 1998

[glacial whale]

Yea it’s why he doesn’t like the Forrest protectors because the trees are speaking

[wise bridge]

“Nicky why are the trees speaking Vietnamese?”

[ripe berry]

actually 53 now (and it's 1996, not 1998)!, so it's 100% possible as he'd be in his late 20s when the war occurred

[quaint kindle]

Then now wouldn't he be like 80 in HN3

[quaint kindle]

Yea cuz the game takes place 2028 so he would 53

[ripe berry]

85 yes

that's actually how we know the 2028 date for HN3
we were told that Peterson's 85 in HN3 and that his birthdate's been pushed back from 1945 to 1943 and reverse engineered things from there

[quaint kindle]

Then how he's chasing you and such cuz he's like 85

[marsh idol]

because he has legs

[quaint kindle]

But he's like 85

Idk any 80 YO that are doing that

[glacial whale]

They can but at the risk of falling over

[open pawn]

peterson is NOT 85 bro

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-qweave-running-hello-doorway-gif-6565137874153565430

anyone who can run like this is less then 40

[glacial whale]

Well great observation but they mean in hn3 not the first one

[marsh idol]

he is

in HN3 thats literally his age

[marsh idol]

he can still run

[marsh idol]

correct thats HN1

[quaint kindle]

Yea but like he's old he ain't gonna be able to run

[marsh idol]

some old people can run

[quaint kindle]

NOT 80 YO's

[dreamy sluice]

he's eaten a healthy diet of bread and nothing else for the last thirty years, of course he can run!!

[quaint kindle]

Ykw fair point lololol

Or we can assume it's an alternative universe like SN and the animated show (unless u wanna say they take place between act 1 and 2 )

[marsh idol]

uh no

all medias are canon

no separate continuities

[quaint kindle]

Ohh alr

I'm kinda new to the lore

BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT NEW TO THE GAME

[ocean sail]

Can i explain all the lore right now?

like, legit?

[tiny verge]

in HN1, he's in his 50s

and in HN3, he's in his 80s

Peterson is clearly more athletic and fit than most people around his age

[tiny verge]

I don't think it's possible cause it's still unfinished

plus it could get spammy

[ocean sail]

dam.

[tiny verge]

so a basic bare bones explanation
Peterson make park, park kill girl, park shut down, Nicky moves in, Nicky make friends with son Aaron, they cause trouble, Peterson crash car, wife Diane dead, son Aaron angry, son Aaron pushes daughter Mya on accident, Daughter Mya dead, Peterson lock son Aaron in basement, Nicky break into basement, Peterson lock Nicky in basement, Nicky friends try to save Nicky, son Aaron frees Nicky, Nicky escapes, Peterson get arrested, journalist Quentin gets assigned to Raven Brooks town, cult attack Nicky friends, friend Trinity nearly gets all Nicky friends killed, friend Trinity frees Peterson, Peterson finds son Aaron, journalist Quentin take picture of Peterson grabbing son Aaron, Guest scare journalist Quentin and he crashes in barn, Peterson knocks journalist Quentin out, Peterson locks son Aaron in museum attic, journalist Quentin finds out about cult, journalist Quentin frees son Aaron, Peterson get crushed, son Aaron stays behind and help Peterson, cult member attack journalist Quentin, cult try to sacrifice Quentin, Guest free Quentin -Quentin's story remains unfinished from this point onwards-
in 2014, Peterson try to flood Raven Brooks town, Peterson get convinced not to, Guest and Peterson fight anyway, 2017 Nicky get evicted, Nicky move back, Nicky does self therapy, Nicky recollects his trauma (Diaries), Nicky story ends he moves on
post-2017 the day keeps resetting
2028, Hello Neighbor 3 -Hello Neighbor 3's story is not finished this is really all I know-

[ocean sail]

So, Simple Peterson family lore: There lived a happy family of 4: Theodore Masters Peterson (The neighbor), Diane Peterson, (name given in HN book series) Aaron Peterson, and Mya Peterson. One day, Theodore and Diane were driving and got into a crash, fatally injuring Diane. In the hospital, Theodore was having a mental breakdown. Eventually, Diane died. Consumed with grief, Theodore dug her grave in his own yard. Aaron Peterson (Theodores son) was broken as well, and started aggressively hurting his sister, Mya. Then, Aaron took Mya's doll and while arguing, accidentally shoved Mya off the roof, causing her death. Theodore, desperate not to lose another part of his family, locks Aaron away, starting Act 1.

forgot the park part-

[tiny verge]

of course I had to cut down alot of details

because otherwise this would get

really

really long

plus the differing perspectives

[ocean sail]

yeah.

I wanna know though, what exactly happened to The Neighbors house?

[tiny verge]

also, to clarify I have seen theories that Peterson may have broken out of jail after WTRB Season 1 but just to put Aaron in a place he can get back to later

it's just a theory though

[ocean sail]

in act 3 we see his house looking burnt down

and in hn 2 his house was fine

lemme see dates rq

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure the town folk burnt it down after 1996 (HN1 act 1-2, HN2, the books before the third trilogy, and WTRB all take place in 1996)

(HN1 act 3 takes place in 2017)

[ocean sail]

idk, maybe tiny build will use their tiny brain to load us up with more lore

cough cough, and remaster hn 1..

[tiny verge]

tinyBuild does not develop the games

[ocean sail]

oh dynamic?

[tiny verge]

DynamicPixels made Hello Neighbor 1 and Hide & Seek

I am unsure who did Nicky's Diaries but I imagine it was a transition point between DP to Eerie Guest Studios

DynamicPixels somewhat helped with Secret Neighbor but they didn't develop it

as for Hello Neighbor 2, Eerie Guest Studios did HN2

Hello Neighbor Search & Rescue was developed by Steel Wool Studios

[ocean sail]

All i want is a remaster of HN1 Like aternative reality

[tiny verge]

and as of right now, Hello Neighbor 3 is being done by Eerie Guest Studios

well

the thing is a prototype was made before HN3 started production

and they've stated they're gonna remaster it

just right now, it's put on hold for Hello Neighbor 3 first

[ocean sail]

You know what would be such a good idea? Alpha 2/1.5 to Pre alpha (real life) And alpha 1 (dream)

[tiny verge]

HN1..?

I disagree

Alpha 2 followed the old Father Son storyline, where Peterson was Nicky's father and the story was about generational trauma

[ocean sail]

also, wasnt nicky originally planned to be the neighbors son?

no like same HN1 story line but just map and neighbor AI as a remaster-

[tiny verge]

Alpha 1 followed the Faust storyline, where God and Satan made a bet on who can get more souls, Pre-Alpha man drives to his new house and an electric pole falls and crashes onto his car, and the creepy neighbor PA Man sees after that is actually Satan (PA man is in purgatory)

[ocean sail]

yk? Alpha 2 house was like act 1 and Alpha 1 house was sorta like act 3 but just less,

[tiny verge]

Alpha 2's map is just

Act 1

but in the oldart style

[ocean sail]

thats what i mean!!!

old artstyle

[tiny verge]

that'd make the game look inconsistent to the rest of the franchise

I like oldart

but newart ain't bad either

it was just unfinished like oldart was

[ocean sail]

if they would just advance the neighbor ai id be happy

and make the house more accesible to him

[tiny verge]

I would much prefer if the remaster would actually complete newart

it'd look alot more like HN2 of course but

that's because the more you improve HN1 newart, the more it looks like HN2

[ocean sail]

I like Quentin over Nicky..

[tiny verge]

I like them both

but Quentin doesn't work in HN1

since it's Nicky's story

[ocean sail]

yk a theory i thought?

a dumb theory

i wanted to believe pre alpha man was nicky's dad or somthing trying to save nicky in the basement 😭

[tiny verge]

truth be told it's just

the early version of Nicky

before he had a name (pretty sure it was the books that named Nicky)

before his design was actually thought of much

just a placeholder playermodel that Nicky replaces

[ocean sail]

also is it just me or do i like the way pre alpha to alpha 2 had no hands or any physical body seen

they just held a key without hands

[tiny verge]

I kinda don't

I mean I don't mind the old way either but

it felt too unpolished in my opinion

too much like something I'd expect from Granny

[ocean sail]

when nicky held a flashlight while walking it kinda wobbles around i didnt like it

[tiny verge]

pretty sure instead of wobbling left and right, the early alphas had everything go up and down

[ocean sail]

yeah

[tiny verge]

complete sidegrade I feel

[ocean sail]

pun..

[tiny verge]

both versions of the flashlight are useless for that reason

not hard to just make it to where the flashlight doesn't move

[ocean sail]

well, the alphas didnt have as much movement

its just in the full game the light wouldnt follow my cursor

[tiny verge]

I think the best way to handle the flashlight is

not make it to where you actually have to hold it

cause I dislike having to rely on a flashlight only to have to put it away for an item I actually need

[ocean sail]

btw i think the worst version of HN ever, is alpha 3.

[tiny verge]

Beta 2

the buggiest

most broken version

[ocean sail]

the only reason, and strong reason, being its perm night time wich makes the point of the old day and night cycles useless

[tiny verge]

that was so bad that they had to patch it quickly and Beta 2 nearly became lost media

because it was that bad

[ocean sail]

wait, wich alpha had the perma dark?

idk if it was alpha 3

[tiny verge]

Alpha 3

[ocean sail]

ok i didnt know-

[tiny verge]

it sucks but Beta 2 is basically a worse Beta 1, which was a worse Alpha 4

which was a little more completed, but worse Alpha 3

[ocean sail]

can i send a image of all my hn games?

[ocean sail]

wait a sec, every HN game that includes aaron, hes always a kid

[quaint kindle]

Uhhh

[ripe berry]

because everytime we see him is all around the same point in the timeline

[quaint kindle]

Yea??

[quaint kindle]

Yea

[ripe berry]

(1995-1996)
even in the case of HN Diaries that's flashbacks to 1995 and not in the present day of 2017

[quaint kindle]

Yessir

[marsh idol]

yes

[glacial whale]

Riddle me this Mike what if the neighbor was born in 1995? Now that’s a real hard one to think about because to imagine how old he would he instead.
I don’t remember his age so it’s too hard for me to figure it out

[willow depot]

Not the only reason honestly

It's also that while dramatic and spooky, yes, the perma night exists for the sole reason of covering up all the untextured, unpolished bits of the house lol

the neighbor ai, obviously, which would constantly get stuck and bug and whatnot, and of course the darn house which just sucked

And would only get worse from that point onward lol

[willow depot]

It's actually a disgrace of a game level honestly especially when you take in mind the Kickstarter pages that elaborated on the Alpha 1 house, inspirations behind it, and of course the floor plans

All that thrown OUT in favor of the Act 3 nightmare of game design

Alpha 3 probably has the best version of that house because it's the smallest version of it, parkour only takes up a small fraction of the gameplay and the first floor was actually useful for probably the first and last time

[true ingot]

Wasn't the Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1 always confirmed to have content that was never or just slightly gonna make it into the final game? Or something along those lines

Really sucks cause there was a lot of ambition put into those alphas

[willow depot]

Allow me to elaborate on those alphas

Pre-Alpha was a tech build

Like it existed for devs exclusively

If I'm getting it right

Then they made Alpha 1 once tinyBuild came along to show them what direction the game was going into

You know plot wise atmosphere and such

They were noped by the publishers though and Alex said on a devgamm that they came to a mutual agreement to throw specific concepts away (I don't trust that claim at all.)

And ONLY then they started sending those alphas to content creators and such to generate hype and attention around the game

Or at least around that time

My point being that getting rid of all of it wasn't the plan from the get-go

[willow depot]

And it's not like it was something that was absolutely needed to be done either

[willow depot]

Definitely a lot and certainly more than what was put into the final game at any stage past those alphas

[true ingot]

I understand that tinyBuild's involvement had affected Development massively too so yeaa

[true ingot]

I'll forever miss you Alpha 2 hype 🥀🥀🥀

[willow depot]

It's kind of actually saddening because there's almost a gradual downfall of the "heart" put into the game although I'm probably over-exaggerating

Alpha 2 had a great cinematic and was the last we really saw of that lighting, Alpha 3 was meh but had great atmosphere with the creepy sounds and such

[ocean sail]

Theory: The neighbor burnt his own house down in act 3. I think this because after he was investigated by police he was still alive, so to burn all evidence anything was left there he burnt it. Specifically because of Quentin. When the neighbor found out that Quentin was in his basement, he burnt it down so the police wouldnt see. And continued to keep himself anonymous to the public. W or L theory?

[true ingot]

Would it not already be contradicted by the fact that the police is already searching his house by the time Quentin arrives

If it allegedly burns down I feel like that weird Cult that's been developing in the lore would have something to do with it idk

[ocean sail]

I also think the guy who knocked out quentin was theo's brother

but

[true ingot]

Ooo that's a deep cut, nice

[ocean sail]

idk how i can back that up

Oh wait i think ik

i think the guest is theos brother

and the guest locked him up to keep him safe, (hn2 alpha 1-1.5) but theres alot of lore that could contradict that

[true ingot]

very saddening that the Alphas never follow the main game's story, they always turn out to be completely cut and irrelevant after everything's said and done

[wary flame]

bro how would theo’s brother be alive

if you want to know if people can be thrown down chasms that large and live you can test that but otherwise that guy’s dead

[ocean sail]

WTRB isnt cannon at all

characters are but story isnt

[wary flame]

[ocean sail]

plus its a show so anything could happen

[neat phoenix]

Animated Series IS actually canon, but how Trinity remembers

[neat phoenix]

(it was confirmed)

[true ingot]

I mean you are KINDA right about it, it's all canon just that told by the perspective of the kids

[neat phoenix]

Here is an timeline how Search And Rescue, Act 2, and Hello Neighbor 2 Intro take places in 1 day:

Tho Secret Neighbor is taking place BEFORE Search and Rescue (its a plan and it takes place in night so day before)
Search and Rescue Gameplay takes place (The Rescue Squad is trying to safe Nicky)
Search and Rescue's END CREDITS take place (Nicky escapes the basement bc of Aaron and there are NOT those walls that are in Act 2 because Act 2 is jst Trauma/Disturbed Memory and how Nicky remembers it) (also the police was after the neighbor)
Hello Neighbor 2 Intro takes place - Quentin, the investigative journalist from the city is hired by the local paper, the Raven Brooks Banner, to look into the mysterious disappearances of children, especially Aaron and Mya Peterson, after the previous reporter vanished while investigating the same cases linked to the creepy Mr. Peterson's house, tho he waits in his car until nighttime, drink coffee, looks at his map and sees Mr. Peterson grabbing Aaron and u already know the rest of it

and AS S1 Ep6 is jst Search and Rescue but Trinity Perspective

[ocean sail]

Search and rescue vr?

[neat phoenix]

yes

[ocean sail]

search and rescue vr dosnt save nicky

If WTRB is cannon what about the act 3 house in it?

if its cannon its not lore accurate

[tiny verge]

I don't think it actually is the Act 3 house

more of a merge between the Act 1/2 and 3 houses

plus the Act 3 house isn't real

it doesn't even exist as a dream

so the show likely only uses aspects of the A3 house either for
A. fan service (most likely)
B. representation of how weak and small the Inventors Club team feels (less likely but atleast has more consistency)

[neat phoenix]

They are TRYING, Aaron actualy safes Nicky tho

[tiny verge]

also I think the show only shows them saving the kids

cause it's from Trinity's perspective

SHE thinks that THEY saved him, when they weren't actually the ones to unlock Nicky's door

however they DID contribute to downgrading the security

where in Search & Rescure and Act 2, Nicky only knows Aaron unlocked the door

and in Act 2, because it is a twisted memory, the Act 2 house is alot crazier than in other medias

[ocean sail]

no-

[tiny verge]

yeah

Search & Rescure and Act 2 both show that it was Aaron who unlocks the door

[true ingot]

Funnily enough does that not make Act 2 and 3 both a dream, and only Act 2's ending cutscene is actually canon lmao

[tiny verge]

Act 3 doesn't exist outside of the intro and outro

[true ingot]

It's a funny thought considerin Nicky does wake up from some nightmare when Act 3 starts too

[tiny verge]

the "dream" segment is not real, at all

Nikita has stated that Act 3 is an artistis representation of self therapy

what Nicky is LIKELY going through is Hello Neighbor Nicky's Diaries, where he's recollecting his memories

where Act 3 is an artistic representation OF the self therapy Nicky is doing

[true ingot]

Very strange, I recall that house to give me plenty-a-traumas during the main release and before

[vagrant igloo]

act 2 is mostly real
it's distorted from reality though

[true ingot]

[tiny verge]

I did mention that it's a twisted memory

but I think I got overlooked with that aspect

[vagrant igloo]

missed that part

[true ingot]

Ahh that makes a lot of sense, does help me a LOT to understanding the story as a whole not gonna lie

[tiny verge]

you're fine though, I think the other two did too

[true ingot]

I'd stil believe it's partially a nightmare put together with actual events that happened

Like yeah the story sections are real but the house itself is very much a distorted memory

[tiny verge]

mainly what I feel is twisted is that the house isn't actually as big as Act 2 depicts it

Nicky's escape is not nearly as difficult as it is in Act 2 because while his friends didn't save him, they still were prying around at the house to the point where Nicky could escape once Aaron released him

[true ingot]

Wait so how long was Nicky actually kept in the basement

[tiny verge]

a few months

[true ingot]

good lord

[tiny verge]

the books mention how Nicky went through several growth spurts while in the basement

which caused his clothes to rip

I estimate that Act 1 is around the start of spring and Act 2 is around the end of summer

[true ingot]

man I love how messed up the story truly is the games just don't do them any justice at al 😭

DANG

[tiny verge]

I mostly estimate Act 2 so late cause even though I think WTRB Season 2 adds a whole extra week in between HN1 Act 2 and HN2

HN2 is still in fall, and still happens relatively close after Nicky escapes

so HN2 is probably at the start of fall

the show doesn't actually express just how long Nicky has been trapped for

but it doesn't retcon the fact that Nicky's been down there for months

it's just...vague

[neat phoenix]

The perspectives:
HN1, Nicky's Diaries, Nicky Trilogy - Nicky
Hide and Seek - Mya
HN2 - Quentin
HN3 - some guy
Secret Neighbor, Search and Rescue, Engineer - the Rescue Squad
Animated Series - Trinity
Aaron Trilogy - Aaron
Piper One Off - Piper
Graphic Novel 1 - Jen and Ellie
Graphic Novel 2 - Regina and Pris

[true ingot]

oh yeah the Graphic Novels

I have never actually seen them before

[neat phoenix]

I have only seen the first one

[true ingot]

Are they any good/interesting?

[neat phoenix]

Yeah 1. Is before any media, 2. Is after HN2

[tiny verge]

yeah

this sums it all up

[neat phoenix]

But there is one question

Which of them is the most true one?

[tiny verge]

well

speculation has to come into play

that's why they do this folklore rumor and myth type of storytelling

[neat phoenix]

Also the movie will have an new perspective

[tiny verge]

they're trying to get us to engage with one another so we engage with the franchise more

[neat phoenix]

I think it will be the guest

[tiny verge]

and uh...tbh I think it's working cause I talk quite a bit about the lore here

imagine the movie is Peterson's perspective

[neat phoenix]

Ooh

[tiny verge]

y'know, we never actually get to see what Peterson thinks

how Peterson views Raven Brooks

and all the events

we know he used to blame things on Aaron

but that's about it

atleast in terms of what all happened to him

[neat phoenix]

When Nikita will have another interview, they MUST ask him where is Nicky in HN3

[tiny verge]

he does not answer lore-related questions

[neat phoenix]

Oh

[dreamy sluice]

hn4 drops and it's just father figure simulator
and then halfway like your son starts doing evil stuff and murders your whole family
and you lock him in the basment

[tiny verge]

also during the game you see your son start destroying your parks, he's destroying the town

being such a bad omen

[wise bridge]

the vietnam war lasted from 1955 to 1975 so i kinda think he did fight in vietnam

[tiny verge]

I don't think Peterson fought in it but I do think he was there to witness the backlash from citizens

mostly because that's not a topic that I think anyone in charge of the franchise wants associated to Mr. Peterson

[ocean sail]

btw guys yall have to understand somthing even myself dont wanna accept..

Hello Neighbor is nammed hello neighbor for a reason..

multiple neighbors

not js pete

[tiny verge]

huh

wdym

[marsh idol]

i guess bro

[ripe berry]

yeah this seems about right to me

[neat phoenix]

Guys what if:
The Hello Neighbor universe was just a story told around the campfire like we see in the end of HN3

[wanton roost]

The lore would all be a lie

[wintry panther]

Act 2 in HN1 - Nikky's distorted memories? It's all too mystical. A giant fence that couldn't help but attract the police; a pool with a Sharkotron, which is located on a tower that defies the laws of physics; a coffin with a dollhouse key, instead of Mia's body; the dollhouse itself, which opens real doors and creates an enlarged figurine of a builder out of nowhere.

[wanton roost]

And we all start crying

[neat phoenix]

I guess Nicky was seeing things

[wintry panther]

Nikky spent a lot of time in the basement. He went crazy. Could the act 2 be 100% true?

[neat phoenix]

Alex already confirmed that act 2 is JST an distorted memory

Tho it's cool

[wintry panther]

Where did he confirm this? I'm looking for this information right now. Thanks in advance.

[neat phoenix]

He confirmed it in this discord server

[proven sigil]

is hello neighbour 2 the first sequel? Because if u see in the welcome to raven brooks u can see quentin old and nicky roth young.

[livid pilot]

I think Welcome To the Raven Brooks its alternative reality of HN.

[proven sigil]

maybe secret neighbour is the first sequel?

[livid pilot]

Secret neighbor is spin-off

Of HN1

[proven sigil]

oh okay!

[marsh idol]

no.

it’s in the same universe

[marsh idol]

secret neighbor doesnt have a definitive story, it’s a game about how the kids see the neighbor

[marsh idol]

it’s the first sequel, name is explanatory

[vagrant igloo]

hn2 happens after act 2
where Nicky is a child
and yes it's the first sequel

[limber ridge]

It's more likely just hello neighbor from Trinity's perspective. That seems like the router they're going for to explain inconsistencies.

[vagrant igloo]

no

[quaint kindle]

Well he was locked in the basement so long he thought it was more complicated then it was cuz in HN2 the house just looks the house instead of the giant fortress Nicky sees

[midnight light]

hi

hello

where i am??

hello???

sumone invited me??

[limber ridge]

Roger Peterson in the show???(On the top right)

[polar epoch]

No

That’s someone else

[wanton roost]

Oh hey roger

[viscid drum]

Hello, I wanted to know, are there different canons ? Like Games/Books/AS ?

Are those 3 differents

[limber ridge]

They are supposedly the same canon but from different perspectives. Although, the mayak has something to do with it.

[willow depot]

weren't forest protectors exposed in the books pre-HN1 just to continue existing afterwards in HN2/AS

didn't really read puzzle master

[willow depot]

doubt perspective theory can really help out then except maybe if the Aaron perspective is his daydreams about the cult being arrested and everything being okay while he's still stuck in a cellar

[limber ridge]

True dat.

[willow depot]

what if the Games/AS timeline is the one Norman time travelled/foreseeing things from

[marsh idol]

everything is canon unless stated otherwise or are very old versions

[midnight light]

اه

hi*

Someone brought me in here

invited

[limber ridge]

But Trinity already appeared in the Aaron triliogy so how would the events of the AS happen, let alone Norman see them?

[limber ridge]

Did they Tell You why or just randomly?

[midnight light]

random?? i think??

[willow depot]

shrugs

now Trinity moving in late is something you can't explain no matter how ya put it

[limber ridge]

In general i wonder If there are any ways to Tell how Norman predicted the future.

[limber ridge]

True.

[willow depot]

it's not even just Norman but he's pretty much the main future teller guy

[limber ridge]

I had a theory that it was the time loops, but there's no mention If them before Reset day.

[limber ridge]

Of*

[willow depot]

what even is HIS deal

dude literally looks like Quentin

[limber ridge]

Hold on, other people predicted the future?

[willow depot]

I found a doc on the subject lemme get it rq

some could be stretches but

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cn_Y0Ercy-_Y2H1gbVcJKzPSJSy18HNACoJ0tmPKHnc/edit?tab=t.0

[limber ridge]

Ooh. Interesting.

Norman also looks like Smith If i'm not wrong, right?

[willow depot]

"A windbreaker jacket with multiple pockets, long pants. A baseball cap trying to hide his messy hair, and a pair of glasses on his crooked nose"

MITH DOES share the overall head and body shape though

Norman shaved and put on a coat?

[willow depot]

but then he has no reason to do that other than to not look like Quentin

Past self? That'd make Norman a full on time traveller

can you do this in literally any other chat

[midnight light]

ok

[limber ridge]

Maybe he was supposed to be Norman but they changed that along with other old storyline aspect. I know that isn't a satisfying answer but it îs a possibility.

Another weird aspect of the story: the mayak is supposed to find out the truth about the weather right? Yet many Times it seems to just control it.

[willow depot]

I mean

technically speaking you find out the truth about the weather

that being that mayak controls it

which is kinda a bummer actually

[tiny verge]

I'm fine with having Quentin so if this is true I'm glad it got retconned

[midnight light]

i will leave the server

[willow depot]

because that'd put the entire mystery aspect more onto the cult artifacts

and how storms make them do their thing

[willow depot]

to be fair there's also Ike

[midnight light]

i will leave the server

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure it's the Guest using the Mayak

[willow depot]

"Ike Quentin Cornelius Gershowitz" you can NOT tell me he wasn't Quentin related

[vagrant igloo]

my theory is that quentin is ike's son

[limber ridge]

That gives me headaches because didn't Roger and Adelle make the station specifically for analysing the already strange weather?

[willow depot]

yup

[limber ridge]

More than names, similar mustache and face form.

[willow depot]

I'm pretty sure weather controlling lasers is still what the "well"/pit under Mayak in AS is about

that's a thing irl too

but it's really hard putting it together how they'd come from studying it to utilizing it

[limber ridge]

Where exactly îs the conformation? Îs it in one of the 2 triliogies or the graphic novels?

[willow depot]

AS S2E1 flashback

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[willow depot]

after Franklin gets pushed in a purple laser bolt gets out

[willow depot]

and why they would be stopped if they were making the rituals easier?

[limber ridge]

What exactly îs the irl thing about?

[willow depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-2pokjU0g

it's still only hypothetical though

[limber ridge]

That's a pretty interesting fact.

[willow depot]

still being researched, can't go on without a little sci-fi in our tea huh

[tiny verge]

yeah the Mayak is kinda sci-fi as of rn

they're trying not to have supernatural stuff

tbh I would've just said to hell with that and go all in with the folklore type of story telling

go all in or go home

[limber ridge]

Maybe the devices did cause severe storms from time to time but when combined with mayak they could control it even better, capable of causing even whole town floods.

[willow depot]

probably

[obtuse wedge]

As if someone cares, it is not even the good channel.

[willow depot]

speaking of town floods I NEED

[limber ridge]

Still, at the end of the day, devices need storms in the first place. Could be just normal storms i guess?

[willow depot]

to get something off my chest I need to talk about this with somebody

[tiny verge]

Serena emoji

oh... that's certainly a server

[tiny verge]

what's up

[willow depot]

this is seemingly MITH's "secret base" and he seemingly dips when a storm is coming

I'm confident because of that little camera there

[limber ridge]

I just keep learning new things with you.

[willow depot]

and whoever posted the second image on instagram ACTUALLY called it a secret base

like uhh "What a weird spot to put a secret ba- house" or something like that

[obtuse wedge]

Exactly

[willow depot]

The house philosophy is even similar to the out of bounds building in HG which was one of MITH's spots although this house style pops up a lot in the HG era concept art

[tiny verge]

Idk what amourshipping is and I'm probably not gonna ask

[willow depot]

here's another one except MITH drove into a pole, lacks moving out boxes, possibly a seperate scene?

[obtuse wedge]

Just Ash x Serena ship but it is very the good channel to talk about it.

[tiny verge]

maybe they got the idea of the Guest causing Quentin to crash from this art

nah I'm just joking

or am I..?

[tiny verge]

oh

I guess that's fine

[limber ridge]

Have a Nice night everyone.

[willow depot]

boo

[tiny verge]

message deleted what was it

[willow depot]

dude I'm not crazy

do you see the vision

[tiny verge]

I seriously looked away for one second wdym someone got boo'd and deleted their message

[willow depot]

mine got autodeleted

for too many attachments

[tiny verge]

ooh

[willow depot]

so I had to split them up

[tiny verge]

I guess anytime someone is put in a coffin and also crashes their car at one point

they're doomed to be retconned

[willow depot]

yeah...

Retcon Man

[willow depot]

anyway still interesting how MITH seemingly "Nope"s the heck out at one point

I dunno what else this place would be for outside of inspiring Otto's house in the future maybe

like there's actual emphasis put on this

[tiny verge]

he can't investigate if he dies

[willow depot]

yuh

[tiny verge]

I imagine he would return and go right back to what he does best

[jovial rain]

does Hello Guest (Hello Neighbor 2 prototype) count in the lore, since its an actual seperate game release? also do you have any ideas where does it fit in the timeline?

[dreamy sluice]

Retconned

[jovial rain]

what does that mean 😅

[dreamy sluice]

It was written out of the lore, basically

[jovial rain]

does that mean the hat guy is also out of the lore?

[dreamy sluice]

man in the hat (MITH) shows up in the animated series for a few moments

and since everything is canon, he should still be part of the lore

i personally have no idea what part of his story was kept or not

[dreamy sluice]

like he's just in the background watching and then walks off

so he clearly still exists

[jovial rain]

hmm interesting, i never watched the series tho, because i feel it doesnt fit in the lore, i know it explains past of the neighbor and stuff but i cant fit those other kids in the lore in my head

[dreamy sluice]

animated series don't fit with nothin fr

the kids make more sense in the games than they do in the series

[jovial rain]

bc like, according to the first game, Arron was locked in the basement and Nicky immediately went to rescue him
after act 2 nicky escape, according to the game, we dont know what happened between act 2 and act 3 (which logically can just be Hello Neighbor 2 and possibly 3) and those games dont show kids at all

[dreamy sluice]

hello neighbor 3 is actually 11 years after act 3

hello neighbor 2 appears to be just after act 2

[jovial rain]

yea i guessed that also it makes sense, but about hn3 being after act 3 is interesting, that changes my view of the lore a lot
which means nicky can possibly come back into the series if thats true

[dreamy sluice]

the kids, in the games (search and rescue/secret neighbor), try to rescue nicky from the basement between act 1 and 2 (aaron ends up unlocking the door for nicky in both search and rescue and hn1) (aaron is cardboard boy, you can see him unlock the door in act 2 thru the keyhole)

[jovial rain]

yea ik cardboard guy is aaron
also neighbor transformation into kids, is that part of the lore bc that confuses me A LOT 😭

[dreamy sluice]

i'm unsure abt this but i think secret neighbor is just the kids imagining what would happen while they planned for the rescue

hoping somebody corrects me if i'm wrong

[dreamy sluice]

so none of it is real

[jovial rain]

or its just a gimmick that makes the game actually be fun... im taking a guess

[dreamy sluice]

we're talking about lore, you don't get to be pedantic about gameplay elements

either it happens or it doesn't happen

(also, you asked)

[jovial rain]

yea ik but i think, if it SN happens between act 1 and 2, it must have been just a gimmick of the game, but again, thats just what i guess i dont rly know because if i knew i wouldnt ask lol

the thing i wanna say: i dont know should the transformation be included in the lore

[neat phoenix]

"History is repeating itself."

[vagrant igloo]

he is canon

[limber ridge]

It really shouldn't, in the space update i believe, the ending implies it's all just kids' imagination.

[vagrant igloo]

sn is by no means real events

[proven sigil]

is quentin still alive?

[willow depot]

he's not really "dead" per say

but he's in a rough spot since essentially we don't know what happened to him after he got knocked out other than that he SHOULD be freed by Guest to escape the catacombs

whether it actually happened or not, we don't know because HN2 Act 2 never came to be

[willow depot]

Gotta love rescue squad daydreaming about ditching Nicky in the basement and going to space instead

[tiny verge]

I'm just gonna headcanon that he did escape since it doesn't actually contradict anything

just fills in gaps of what we don't have

[willow depot]

likewise

[dark flax]

This reminds me of smth I would love to see in an update for HN 2. Pretty much I was thinking if they can ever bring back the original Hello Guest gameplay as a mini game if the Golden Apple Amusement Park was accessible in the second game, so like if you walked up to it you would have to stop the vandals and the Guest and all that stuff.

Ik it’s not rlly lore related I’m sorry

[willow depot]

I think this could be a fun thing for a more "open world" HN2 like what HN2 Alpha 2 was, with GAAP being one of the locations and the vandals being its habitants

[limber ridge]

How do we make sense of this AND the mayak somehow having a part in it?

[willow depot]

I!!!!! DON'T KNOWWW AAUGHGHH

[limber ridge]

I guess If maybe the mayak is the reason everyone remembers it so badly somehow.

[willow depot]

"canon is a flexible term at this point" Alex, yes it is but "consistency" isn't

[willow depot]

I really have little to no idea how Mayak could be a part of it

they go down to the pit from the flash back, the presumed "Well", then they get hit by the weather beam and it messes up their brains or something I don't know

no matter what you do it's still like

a very weird thing to do ngl

[limber ridge]

What i was thinking lol.

[limber ridge]

I would kind of like it If things weren't this different. (Ahem, Trinity arriving late, Phones)

[willow depot]

feels like a BIG cop-out to just let Alex and Nikita write their own Hello Neighbor-s

...is what I WOULD say had both canons not had inconsistencies from within itself

[willow depot]

yeah I know right??

I really don't think you can misremember something that badly

[limber ridge]

What is most confusing is that Nikita also has said everything is canon. Although he has said not in a way we think too. Like i could genuinely get past this If not for Nikita's statement.
Or has he only said that for the books? He might have actually.

[willow depot]

I really wanna know how the amusement park getting destroyed and cleared out until there's NOTHING left in the books goes into canon with HE, HN3, or heck even just HG which he was making

[limber ridge]

If so i think we can put this behind us.

[willow depot]

how come?

[limber ridge]

Oh, that too. I don't think HG is a problem because that isn't a full release.

[limber ridge]

I forgot about the park burn down.

[willow depot]

Yeah but I put it there because like

you know it was one of the things that most definitely HAD to be his vision

seeing that not line up with the books that he had a hand in creating is just weird

[limber ridge]

He had a hand in the books? That's neat...

[willow depot]

and obviously HG doesn't take place before the park is cleaned out by ProEarth

[willow depot]

yeah I'm pretty sure I think?

MIGHT be wrong but still

[limber ridge]

I searched it up, he does.

[willow depot]

okay

[limber ridge]

Imagine If none of the main characters actually were present there and they just self-insert themselves in the story /j

[willow depot]

Imao

what the heck is gonna happen to Trinity anyway

I can only think of her being rescued from the prison cell by either one of her "peers" or a cameo character (please be MITH please be MITH) but even then I doubt her parents would change her mind or approve her going out for... Uhh, days? What's the time span that S3 will take anyway

what if it happens literally overnight and she comes back home to go to boarding school in the morning

[limber ridge]

That would be interesting. Granted some of the teasers kinda look like they take place during day time.
Kinda.

[willow depot]

watch the ending not tie into HN2 at all

[limber ridge]

It could extend to a morning too, then done. Although If they'd be able to do stuff over that period, i guess it would mean Trinity got hypercompetent from speaking to Theo so much.

[willow depot]

lol

[limber ridge]

Probably ngl. At most maybe the principal dies or gets arrested and the janitor takes over, Since he was the principal in the dlc.

[willow depot]

wasn't the janitor the former principal

[unkempt sleet]

It probably will in the sense of Guest appearing

[willow depot]

it'd actually be absolute cinema if he got promoted back honestly since the dlc's placement is ambigious

[limber ridge]

Would remind me of how the raven brooks disaster was supposed to tie in with hn2 but it did not. Outside of the guest appearing.

[willow depot]

it did NOT so badly because doesn't RBD take place like really late in the timeline

[limber ridge]

It does, they have Phones

[willow depot]

meanwhile both HG and HN2A2 plots are placed neatly to take place right after Act 2

[willow depot]

the only thing RBD really tell us about HN2 is that whatever HG would be about the town would not be flooded/destroyed by a storm

while a storm would still most definitely happen at the very least as the game's stakes I suppose

so I guess Quentin/Beatrix would successfully do whatever on Mayak and screw off alongside MITH lol

[cyan pollen]

liten to me guys, what if the neighbor is nickys dad and in act 1 he is abducted, act 2 escaped and act 3 is a "what if i didnt escape in time" and practically he is helping his younger self escape the house hence the battle with the figure at the end

[versed oracle]

[willow depot]

Well yes but no

Books and animated series and Nikita himself have confirmed that Nicky isn't neighbor's son

He WAS neighbor's son in a scrapped storyline that went unused and was replaced in the final game so it's not canon

[eager island]

its pratically beta storyline

[nimble jetty]

If Franklin Peterson does end up being the Guest I don’t think the bird sounds the Guest makes would have been from the pink beam because what are the odds that a person living in RAVEN Brooks becomes a creature able to make sounds similar to a RAVEN

Maybe the beam had some like code or dna to make people have traits of a raven

Or it changes people based on things they like or see a lot or things that are on their mind (like the ravens in Raven Brooks)

Maybe that’s how the beam did it if Franklin was the Guest because it would be a pretty crazy coincidence

But Franklin probably isn’t the Guest since it’s said it will be someone we don’t expect

But it would be cool to get some clues in the show

[livid pilot]

I think show not cannon because its alternative reality.

[nimble jetty]

The show is canon

Everything is canon, just not in the way we think (except early versions of the games)

[livid pilot]

Uhhh ok. By the way this doesn't make me think that show is cannon.

[tiny verge]

it's in Trinity's perspective

this is stated as well as "everything is canon"

it's an objective fact

[limber ridge]

I doubt anyone has any problems with that. We'll see.

[limber ridge]

I do believe it is canon but does perspective really cut it? I mean, how did Phones get in the story? Or her arriving late If before She was before Nicky even appeared.

[tiny verge]

it's being retold in the 2000s I'm pretty sure

regardless you can chalk it up to faulty memory

[limber ridge]

I doubt Frank Guest because the guest's origin won't be a flashback.

[dreamy sluice]

perspective theory sucks but it makes the most sense :( :(

[dusty trench]

oh dang i mentioned this video a long time ago

[limber ridge]

I guess, but that's like really faulty memory.

[limber ridge]

I have the opposite opinion 🙂 🙂

[tiny verge]

me personally I kinda would prefer if the story was more supernatural
go all in on the folklore or go home type deal

[willow depot]

shakes head

[limber ridge]

Works regardless

[tiny verge]

||I'm mostly just salty about modern FNaF btw so ignore me||

[dreamy sluice]

is there like something really big i'm missing or what

[willow depot]

Trinity moving in early in books vs moving in really late in AS

also how come you're a cat

[willow depot]

no

not really

[dreamy sluice]

trinity was hit on the head as a child

[tiny verge]

Goku style

[limber ridge]

Lol.

[tiny verge]

fell on her head on a rock, really made her more pure hearted though

[willow depot]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-dicaprio-leonardo-django-right-gif-18131224

[limber ridge]

Could it be from Nicky?

[willow depot]

perchance

[dreamy sluice]

tricky scoff is mad trinity like pushed him in the basement, so he moves out just before hn3 to beat trinity into a pulp

animated series is told by adult trinity in the hospital

recovering from severe head injury

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

I guess in many aspects time loops explanation makes most sense, but i just like the concept of it being like irl storytelling where different people Tell the story a different way. However, in real life it really only happens because the storyteller wasn't fully present there.

[livid pilot]

What wrong with HN lore

[limber ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-felicia-ok-bye-ok-gif-12286894223921059374

[jovial rain]

why was guest so forgotten in HN2? it was the main character in alpha 1 but then they cut it almost entirely from the main story line, other than it appearing when quetin was driving to escape from theodore peterson also it appearing as like a minigame in HN2 in an update so long after HN2 release

also i dont understand what was that dark side of raven brooks meant to say

[tiny verge]

they were trying to figure out what to do with him in the story

and unfortunately the dumbest decision of just... NOT WINGING IT caused him to be cut from the game until Patch 9

[jovial rain]

bro guest had so much potential 💔

he could be similar to shadowman from HN1, he could represend death and fear and he could just be a spiritual character, that doesnt really exist but has interactions between other characters

one thing i thought when i saw him for the first time when the prototype went public, is guest actually the shadowman from hn1?, i was young and i thought shadowman is a villain and i thought shadowman is aaron ghost, sooo yea, but main thing, guest reminded me of the shadowman

[tiny verge]

no I like cryptid bird man

I just wish he was also lurking the town at the same time and was an actual threat

[ocean sail]

In HN search and rescue is the end of that the start of act 2 in normal hello?

also i think the guest actually is a birdman because when you play as him IN HN S&R he twitches like a normal bird

[tiny verge]

yes, S&R leads into HN1 Act 2

[jovial rain]

my idea:
after we get knocked down by someone at the end, last thing we saw was neighbor trapped under the crow thing fro the ceiling, and according to my previous idea quentin would see the crow across the game but just in short moments, so after the knock down, quentin starts dreaming about neighbor being locked by the crowman and we have to resque the neighbor and after we succeed, in that dream, quentin would fall unconscious and that will represend the end of the dream which will also be the end of the game

this is how i would do it... let me know your opinion on the idea

[tiny verge]

if we're gonna share ideas here's one I had
#throwback-discussion message

[ocean sail]

Idk who knocked me out but i woke up in my bed

mustve been a bad dream

[tiny verge]

y'know what this would be a cool way to bring Alpha 1.5 back

[jovial rain]

yea actually u are right

[tiny verge]

ok had to revise something I said here

[jovial rain]

i checked your idea and its not so different than mine lol

[tiny verge]

essentially my idea to bring A1.5 back is to kinda remake it a little, have it happen after Peterson hits Quentin with a shovel
instead of Peterson locked up it's a dream Quentin has because he's getting alot of questions and wants the answers

but then after that it's mostly regular HN2 gameplay

except the Guest always lurks the town at night

with the only safe space being your office, and everytime you catch him and he runs
he's running to the Patch 9 forest, he's trying to lure you there

[jovial rain]

thats actually a REALLY good idea

i like it more

than mine

[tiny verge]

I think this keeps the lore relevance of the Patch 9 forest, while also not keeping the Guest trapped

instead it's his domain, his terf
and he wants you to trespass, less people will see him so he can be far more aggressive

and in the Patch 9 forest, you do not have your office as a safe space anymore

[dreamy sluice]

alex didn't let them put the guy into hn2 until the animated series dropped.

[tiny verge]

boooo Alex booooo

[jovial rain]

its never late for an update right?

[tiny verge]

it's too late

[jovial rain]

so they can work on it now?

[dreamy sluice]

patch 10 was cancelled so they could dev on hn3

[tiny verge]

HN2 is cancelled

[jovial rain]

ah Hn3 is still in early prototype

[dreamy sluice]

guest is back in hn3, though

which is rad

[tiny verge]

though Harvey did say he'd do something like this once he got HN2 as a mod

[dreamy sluice]

finally does something, again

[jovial rain]

yes but it SHOULD be more mentioned in second game

[tiny verge]

I wish I could do the mod myself but I SUCK at modding

[dreamy sluice]

should but won't

[tiny verge]

I'd completely ruin my vision

[jovial rain]

also guest in third game looks apsolutely crazy

i LOOVE the design

the two different arms

one arm has that trash bag and other arm is human arm with red sleeve and a watch, specifically said

[dreamy sluice]

the guest has sleeves on both arms, the gloved one is just ripped up more than the other

gotta love that the guest can run on all fours like a freak now

[jovial rain]

u cant tell the watch and red sleeves are coincidence

[tiny verge]

I like to think the Guest in HN3 is still a bird man

[jovial rain]

and those jeans

[dreamy sluice]

it is. it's a coincidence.

[jovial rain]

how bro 😭

[dreamy sluice]

the guest has ALWAYS had red sleeves

and you can't even use jeans as evidence because jeans are incredibly common

do you know who else has red sleeves and jeans? the taxidermist

[ocean sail]

i think the new guest in HN2 path 9 is actually a forest protecter

[jovial rain]

cmon bro a literal humanlike bird that wears a watch and has a human arm

human arms*

[dreamy sluice]

both arms are human

[tiny verge]

I've studied this design front to back
no, the design philosophies of Nicky and the HN3 Guest are different and incomparable

[dreamy sluice]

man is just wearing a glove

[jovial rain]

yea i corrected myself

[tiny verge]

I even have the proof here that I studied this bum

[dreamy sluice]

was nicky a humanlike bird

[jovial rain]

no

[ocean sail]

nicky is not birdman

[dreamy sluice]

also, the forest dweller's watch is both not the same as nicky's and is on the wrong arm

[ocean sail]

what yall on?

[dreamy sluice]

it's a coincidence

forest dweller didn't even have sleeves at all in the original hn3 concept art

[tiny verge]

Nicky is a BUM, his whole design is how he is a BUM
ripped jeans stained due to his inability to wash his clothes with a broken watch and dirty shoes, all of this is worn cause he wants to try and look professional

the HN3 Guest design is meant to be the Raven Brooks symbol twisted into something unrecognizable, a true freak, a monster

[jovial rain]

so is guest from HN2 same guy in HN3

im rly confused

[tiny verge]

his skin looks rotten, his beak is missing and replaced with a metal beak

Nicky is an average bum
the HN3 Guest is a monster

[jovial rain]

yea i get it now

[ocean sail]

i think people forgot nickys HN S&R model

[tiny verge]

so uh, that's my whole reason as for why the Nickyguest theory doesn't make sense

their design philosophies are vastly different

[dreamy sluice]

it has been 32 years after hn2 and 11 years after hn1, for your information

guest spent all that time on the grindstone

[tiny verge]

that and also the Guest had red sleeves long before Nicky, and they're not even the same shade

[jovial rain]

i know that, but how does that answer my question

[dreamy sluice]

i mentioned this

[dreamy sluice]

the more informed you are the closer you get to coming up with your own theory

because the true answer is we don't know yet

[ocean sail]

Are yall talking abt nicky being the guest?

[tiny verge]

mostly debunking it

[dreamy sluice]

No.

[ocean sail]

Good.

[jovial rain]

thats stupid 😭

[tiny verge]

I did not study this design just for people to think that he's the Guest because of coincidences

[ocean sail]

bc HN2 and HG both take place after act 2 im pretty sure

when nicky was still a kid

[jovial rain]

is HG canon?

[tiny verge]

no

Hello Guest had the Peterguest storyline

where originally it was Peterson disguised

thank God they retconned that, I much prefer cryptid bird man

[jovial rain]

lol that would be a crazy plot twist

[tiny verge]

kinda

people figured it out quick and it lost impact

[jovial rain]

but that doesnt make sense, guest has so thinn arms, and neighbor looks strong asf

[dreamy sluice]

hello guest was made first, they hadn't created hn2 neighbor design yet

[ocean sail]

true

[tiny verge]

well his old model where he had the beak off showed him being way more sickly and unwell than his HN2 design where he's just a little unshaved

and more pale than normal

[ocean sail]

why does the guest twitch like a normal bird?

[dreamy sluice]

in fact, in old hn2 neighbor meshes (neighbor for trailer reference), he's just as thin as the guest was

[tiny verge]

that model you could see his cheek bones like he looked malnourished

[jovial rain]

still that guest model was used in HN2 alpha 1 when they had the peterson model

[dreamy sluice]

yeah. because in hn2 they retconned hello guest.

did you miss that part or what

[tiny verge]

that's how Peterson fits the Guest costume, he was malnourished

[ocean sail]

hello guest was supposed to be hello neighbor 2

[dreamy sluice]

hello guest turned into hello neighbor 2

[tiny verge]

what Arch said

[ocean sail]

well, i guess

[tiny verge]

Hello Guest was very different

[ocean sail]

hello guest was a completly differant game

[dreamy sluice]

and so was hn2's alpha 1

[jovial rain]

i didnt but u said guest has thin arms because neighbor was supposed to have them thin as well in HN2 but in HN2 alpha 1 there was already the full model of neighbor

[tiny verge]

Peterson's design was different from his final game design
he didn't look like his HN1 self but buffer, unshaved, and pale

[dreamy sluice]

yeah

i said it's an old model

[tiny verge]

HN2 A1 I believe was in the process of retconning it

[ocean sail]

eh

[dreamy sluice]

not everything is made for the specific alphas

[jovial rain]

yea prob

[tiny verge]

and then A1.5 retconned Peterguest as a whole

[jovial rain]

but HN2 A1 is a cool concept

i like it, it feels more like a hello neighbor game

[tiny verge]

ehhh I think 1.5 executed it better

[dreamy sluice]

it's literally true

[jovial rain]

yea 1.5 is def metter

[tiny verge]

I love the sound redesign the Guest had in 1.5, the betas (SN), and Patch 9 (yes they're all different)

they expand his sound range alot

[jovial rain]

i love 1.5 reaction sounds of the guest

[tiny verge]

sounds natural too, and you know me I like it when he's a birdman

[jovial rain]

yea i agree

where is nicky's house in hello neighbor 2?

[dreamy sluice]

it's across from the neighbor's house

you can tell because it still has a treehouse

they just replaced nicky's home with a generic background house

[tiny verge]

I wish they kept the ugly turquoise color, cause it was literally a fact that he hated it

like Nicky didn't like the house color it was so ugly and that's what made it peak
no wonder he's breaking into Peterson's house, it looks way nicer

[jovial rain]

is there a specific reason why or its just randomly

[dreamy sluice]

literally what reason would they have

nicky's house is in search and rescue and that's the only other game

in hn3, as of prototype 3, his house isn't even there at all

not replaced, just gone

[jovial rain]

hmm

thats a weird choice

[tiny verge]

HN3 I'm just gonna headcanon that Peterson, the spiteful old man he is, took the materials after Nicky left again

and failed to rebuild his house so he gave up

it explains why his house isn't burnt entirely while Nicky's house is entirely gone

of course they're probably gonna do something that makes this headcanon contradictory

[heavy canyon]

whats the plot behind hn3?

[tiny verge]

I hope not I genuinely hope they characterize Peterson like that

[heavy canyon]

i didnt play it much

[dreamy sluice]

hello neighbor 3 is still in prototype so it isn't canon yet

[heavy canyon]

oh ok

[jovial rain]

but since HN3 takes place 11 years after Act 3, then who rebuilt the peterson's house since it appears in HN3 but in Act 3 its all destroyed, like fully

[heavy canyon]

i only reached the hotel because i was EXTREMELY confused on what to do next

[dusty trench]

Honestly, couldve took inspiration lol.

But honeslty, what if they did just a little tad bit 💀.

[willow depot]

Would be weirdly fitting ngl considering that the faust plotline player also hid a lot in backgrounds and shadows of screenshots/concept arts akin to how MITH does in games

Anyone who's rooting for "Pre-Alpha Man" to be added into HN media should switch to just asking for more MITH

[nimble jetty]

Wait you’re cooking

Andrew Smith

(I know it’s not PAM’s canon name I just found it funny)

[willow depot]

yuh

[limber ridge]

I'll just headcannon that rq

[tiny verge]

what if the entire time MITH is only investigating Peterguest because he thinks he's the same Peterson he was seeing in purgatory

[dreamy sluice]

"there's the freak that forced me to play hello neighbor..... i've gotta find out what he's doing with that BIRD COSTUME...."

[tiny verge]

and then it turns out Satan only used Peterson's image to cause this exact situation

cause a troll's gotta troll

[dusty trench]

yeah that is true

[willow depot]

"What the heck is that Judas from the painting I own"

[dusty trench]

reasonable (lol)

[neat phoenix]

I have a theory.
SO the ending of the HN3 Prototype 3, there were 3 people at the camp and there were talking stories. SO what if They were talking abt the Hello Neighbor Universe? Mabye thats why there are so many perspectives

[inland folio]

what about the news paper the person was holding

[neat phoenix]

please call me "Mr. Blind"

[dreamy sluice]

The news paper talks about how the town vanished

it is not a full retelling of the hello neighbor lore

i'm pretty sure the newspaper was just part of the bigger raven brooks topic the campers were talking about

[tiny verge]

it's important to note that those newspapers were printed long after Raven Brook floods

so it got put on some kind of urban mystery kind of thing (apparently some newspapers do that with older news)

so it is very well possible that, atleast in the case of Hello Neighbor 3, some of it may be campfire tales

[limber ridge]

Hold on... Long curled fingers, tensed shoulders... THE GUEST IS NORMAN DARBY!!!
/j

[dusty trench]

Wait what

i cnat tell if this is a joke or fr

Can you elaborate cause this actually sounds really interesting

[vagrant igloo]

it is

[limber ridge]

It is, that is what "/j" means

[dusty trench]

oh

idk why i didnt know that

[limber ridge]

In the puzzle master Norman îs described as having tensed shoulders and long curled fingers. That îs also how hn3 guest design looks.

[dusty trench]

yea

idk why that sounds interesting tho

[limber ridge]

Literally just relistened to puzzle master and thought of that.

[limber ridge]

I mean, kinda yeah.

[limber ridge]

I took some screenshots from the black book that seemed interesting.
I guess the Gaap coins are mini-luck devices?

The hourglass here is interesting. What could it be supposed to mean?

[golden anvil]

time is running out idk

[ripe berry]

yeah seems like it

especially since in Hello Neighbor VR they're called "Unlucky Coins"

[tiny verge]

I don't know why Peterson would have this during the point of having an amusement park

they have to have been modified by an outside source

[dusty trench]

why did tinybuild collab with kobo dawg

like they have good artist they have worked with and moddlers

like look at hello engineer’s models and animation

just whyyyyyy

[ripe berry]

the good thing is kobo seems to be listening and most of the ai stuff was changed or removed

[tiny verge]

good riddance

[dusty trench]

hopefully the fully realize

[limber ridge]

Is the patch 10 intro tease thing non-canon? Since it never made it into any full media.

[wanton roost]

im sure its still canon

[willow depot]

Schrödinger's cat

But probably canonish

This type of thing is always the weirdest lol

[willow depot]

Recall SN MITH event

It was essentially just hyping up Hello Guest by having us get a reel of him apprehending Quentin

[willow depot]

But how does that fit in now considering that HG isn't canon lol

Is the reel itself canon? Was the event even real or just part of the play pretend shenanigans in Nicky's backyard

[limber ridge]

I guess the play pretend?

[willow depot]

Where did they even hear about him

Honestly I'll never get over how SN was "incorporated" into the story

[willow depot]

Where does "play pretend" leave the Mayak event for example

Yes the premise of Theodore having levers around his house that summons crows and does whatever with the weather station is silly, but so what, do the kids actually know that it exists to play pretend about it

Or Quentin being a class, lol. Does he just join in or

[fast flame]

Hi

[limber ridge]

Hi

[west falcon]

how old is the neighbor in hello neighbor reset day

[eager island]

78

(2021-1943)

[west falcon]

how old is aaron

[limber ridge]

Is there any official source stating reset day took place in 2021?

[eager island]

in the beginning of reset day they say the concrete is 25 years old (the former GAAP area)concrete covering the GAAP (in the books) was laid in 1996
1996+25=2021

[limber ridge]

Ok, thanks for the answer.

[limber ridge]

At the same time it only raises questions because of the neighbor's house.

[ripe berry]

but even then, when we see Ted's house burned down last is in 2017

there's 4 years between then and Reset Day

[tiny verge]

simple, Hello Guest isn't canon

Hello Neighbor 2 is

so the chances that Act 2 may still be canon are more 50/50 than a cancelled scrapped storyline from Hello Guest

[limber ridge]

That is what they are saying. Hello guest isn't canon but somehow it appears in secret neighbor which is a full release.

[tiny verge]

I'm sorry but uh

saying Secret Neighbor is canon only at face value

as if everything in it are true events

when we have seen things like HN1 Act 3, the VR dream sequences, and many other things

you won't get far with that

Secret Neighbor is at the very least a twisted memory like Act 2 is

I do not accept them as real events

[vagrant igloo]

most agree it is in their heads or just not canon

[tiny verge]

yeah I don't like when people use Secret Neighbor as proof of anything

[ripe berry]

you see, here's the thing

that was removed iirc

[tiny verge]

it's completely inconsistent, and they've also changed how the Guest looks and sounds

[ripe berry]

thus that is no longer canon

[tiny verge]

as of now SN uses the Beta Guest sounds and Beta Guest model (and texture)

I don't think SN can be used for canon stuff anyways

[ripe berry]

except that is also used in HNVR so it remains canon

and the old Guest Sounds can be heard in the Green Tape when sped up in-game iirc

[tiny verge]

VR uses the og model and alpha texture, and a mix of the Alpha sounds and Beta/SN sounds

not my point though

my point is the fact Secret Neighbor even changed how the Guest looks and sounds shows that it's not the same event

they're clearly not the same at all

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor, while not 100% real, can still be used for lore

[tiny verge]

(also I don't accept SN as face value canon anyways, or even usable for the lore because if it is a distorted memory then we'd have to decipher it, I don't care about turning lore discussion into FNaF debates)

[tiny verge]

that's why the modern version of the Guest exists, but not MITH

[ripe berry]

here is something that can ABSOLUTELY be taken as real:
Anything established in the descriptions of the event trophies

[tiny verge]

or anything related to that old storyline

[ripe berry]

wrong
MitH still exists in the HN2 Storyline

[tiny verge]

by design maybe, maybe even by name

but his role is different

I'm talking about the Hello Guest MITH

in HN2, MITH is dead

[ripe berry]

yeah THAT version of MitH is no longer canon, hence why the HG-related tapes were removed

[ripe berry]

except there's weirdness with that too because he exists in WtRB S2 Ep. 4 as a cameo (which is where my pfp originally comes from)

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor HAS changed their minds of things if the canon changes

[tiny verge]

I do think there comes a time when we need to distinguish when something is meant to be taken at face value, or just a reference for the fans

[ripe berry]

Quentin wasn't originally allowed to be in the game during the HG Era, but then the lore changed and so they added him

[tiny verge]

the Act 3 house still isn't real just cause WTRB uses it

[tiny verge]

and then they gave him an AI voice

Quentin keeps getting screwed over

[ripe berry]

#secret-neighbor message

[limber ridge]

That's kind of the thing, If it's in their heads how do they know of Smith and such?

[ripe berry]

this also confirms that at the very least when they were making Quentin and Otto for SN SN was still considered canon by the rest of tinyBuild

[wanton roost]

Yes lore.

What we talking about here

[tiny verge]

straight up, that shit got retconned buddy

retcons happen even in this franchise

[limber ridge]

Okay.

[ripe berry]

they saw him watching the Peterson Household

this is said in the trophy description for his event

[tiny verge]

even when at one point it was canon, things get retconned

perspectives n' all that can't save it

like how the Thing didn't exist at all, even as a hallucination, but then the show decided "nah we ball"

that can't be explained via perspectives

so it's a retcon

[limber ridge]

Pretty much nothing. Just one simple thing and adding a bunch of unnecesary words on it.

[vagrant igloo]

"or just not canon"

[tiny verge]

⬆️

[ripe berry]

again Secret Neighbor itself provides an answer to how they know about MitH

[limber ridge]

Now that you Say, what are like all the sn loading tips related to Lore? I know of only the one that says Quentin knows Smith, not sure if it still is there.

[tiny verge]

Secret Neighbor literally has a rocket at one point can we really take that as face value when the current storyline has MITH dead

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure, like 90% sure that MITH in the HN2 lore is the old journalist

before Quentin gets assigned to Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

The Trophy descriptions are referring to real world stuff as opposed to the Rocket which is imagined

[limber ridge]

Kind of besides the already dead point. The rocket îs an easy thing to think of how they can imagine it.

[ripe berry]

the Trophy for the Rocket Event is the actual model rocket they were imagining Rocket Event with that they made

[tiny verge]

I'm just saying, you should put those into question as well

[limber ridge]

I'm 95%

[tiny verge]

MITH's role isn't even the same as it once was, the show never really acknowledges them "knowing MITH"

and because the show already has Quentin showing up, it's safe to say that he died during the show

the kids do not know MITH

[ripe berry]

...and then appears the episode after Quentin does, proving he's alive...

[tiny verge]

#lore-discussion message

MITH appearing as a cameo means nothing to me

[ripe berry]

also, do you say that MitH is the one who recorded the tapes in HN2

[tiny verge]

meanwhile HN2 Patch 9 had MITH in a coffin

a more visible one too

than just a random cameo in a show

[eager island]

and its a random easter egg in game

[ripe berry]

because if so, you HAVE to have MitH be alive up until after the end of Season 2 when Theodore breaks out of jail due to the White Tape.

[eager island]

you cant even see his grave without cheats can you

[limber ridge]

What's in the white tape?

[ripe berry]

it's a recording of the Mayor of RB telling Keith and Leslie to "find Peterson immediately" and that they have to go back to Ted's house to find evidence (but the dialogue's in Wayron Croobian)

[tiny verge]

if anything, I feel that only strengthens my argument that the kids don't know who MITH is

and can't know who MITH is

if we go with that then that means MITH isn't canon at all

[wanton roost]

Ohhh

[tiny verge]

dead or alive

[ripe berry]

it's grouped with the other tapes

[wanton roost]

Interesting indeed

[limber ridge]

That was back then, now we are talking about something. Or rather they, i'm just watching lol.

[ripe berry]

no, he's still canon because his hat is partway up on the church, and there's a photo in Patch 9 of MitH taking pictures, aligning with the scenario we can hear in the Blue Tape

[tiny verge]

Patch 9 also has MITH as dead

[eager island]

*removed

[ripe berry]

I'm not even arguing he isn't dead right now
right now I'm arguing that he's still alive by the end of WtRB S2

[tiny verge]

and another thing too, again there needs to be a distinction made between face value facts
or just fan service

and I'm sorry but all MITH appearances so far have just been fan service

[ripe berry]

MitH in a coffin is fan service. his hat on the church and a photo of him is fact value facts.

[tiny verge]

I disagree

MITH being canon as alive would cause inconsistencies that not even perspectives could explain

the show, once again does not acknowledge him at all
the kids do not know who he is

[ripe berry]

MitH being dead before WtRB Season 2 Episode 3 causes a blatant inconsistency in the Tapes

[tiny verge]

they've never seen him

that SN trophy description cannot be applied

[limber ridge]

That can just mean he isn't relevant to their story.

[eager island]

the perspective theory were never confirmed though

[tiny verge]

it's been confirmed that the WTRB show is Trinity's perspectve

[eager island]

and i do also think mith in AS is just fan service same as him being in grave in patch 9

[tiny verge]

that's why it supposedly takes place in the 2000s despite the events happening in 1996, it's not actually taking place in the 2000s

it's being retold in the 2000s

[tiny verge]

I kinda have to agree

same with the church stuff in Patch 9

[eager island]

so whats the evidence of trinity did not see MITH between 1996 and 2000s

its just means hes still alive

[tiny verge]

I don't think there's enough evidence to conclude that everyone else saw him but not her

remember, this is about Secret Neighbor's trophies being "used for canon"

and how that supposedly means they know about MITH

the kids do not know about MITH

they know nothing

and therefore you need to question the legitimacy of Secret Neighbor's trophy descriptions

it is a spinoff, spinoffs do not need to be 1:1 with lore
therefore, it's not stable to use SN for lore discussion

[limber ridge]

And it also has been confirmed that mayak has something with inconsistencies and there's this. The answer for it is not currently stated and inconsistent from explanation to explanation.

[ripe berry]

and is having a whole filler episode of investigating MitH relevant to retelling a story about Peterson and the Cult?

as far as the kids would know, he'd just be a random suspicious journalist they investigated for awhile

but eh, I can tell I won't convince you of anything here so I'll leave it be

[tiny verge]

here's my rebuttal to that, the events happen too close to each other

moreso Season 2 than 1 but still pretty back to back in Season 1

squeezing that into canon is difficult

no, SN is not reliable source of information

they can say it's canon all they want but that doesn't mean it's actually usable for the fans

the incoherent nature, as well as changing storylines just make it impossible to reliably use SN

they removed the Hello Guest stuff for a reason, they retconned alot of that storyline for a reason

[ripe berry]

they removed stuff that makes it impossible to fit with the canon
if the MitH stuff was impossible to fit with the canon, the trophy description would change

[tiny verge]

also I wanna point out how you're using the word of a TinyBuild employee

TB doesn't actually write much of the story

SN isn't reliable

[vagrant igloo]

best way to say this, SN is canon
SN's events are not canon