lore-discussion

[amber sonnet]

for the sake of talking faster

[tiny verge]

and this is why the house changing is fine too

because it's not even a dream

it's not real

doesn't exist

so it's fine to break logic a bit

[amber sonnet]

it still would just connect like better if nicky would have to overcome with self therapy in a house he would actually recognize yk

[tiny verge]

besides the Act 1 layout wouldn't mesh well with the Act 3 additions considering the second stairs connects in a different place entirely

and the first floor of the Act 3 house is way bigger than the first floor of the Act 1 house

like it's objectively not good game design

and if you're gonna drastically change the layout like that, just make a new house entirely

[amber sonnet]

the ladder in act 1 could go up to the room where the crowbar is

for instance

[amber sonnet]

yeah this would be better tho

[tiny verge]

the Act 1 house is too skinny for that

[tiny verge]

I honestly don't want the Act 3 house getting replaced either

I don't think Act 1 meshes well

at all

for gameplay reasons, with Act 3

[amber sonnet]

we all want to keep the engineers nightmare for a house

dont we

[tiny verge]

I mean Peterson literally ignored safety protocols for his amusement park rides

he thought it disturbed the fun

and then a girl gets sent straight to a tree and dies because of that

of course the giant neighbor house is the worst thing to ever come out of engineering

[bronze meadow]

It's 00:05 in my country, and I'm wondering, what are you doing awake at this hour?

[amber sonnet]

11:05

anyways

[tiny verge]

11:05PM in EST time

[amber sonnet]

not gonna mention the water room either

or the windmill

[tiny verge]

Peterson's a nightmare of an engineer

[bronze meadow]

In my country it's 00:06

[tiny verge]

he is the nightmare of engineers

they would all fear what he does

[amber sonnet]

wonder how hello engineer happens then

[bronze meadow]

They're definitely from USA

[amber sonnet]

did he become engineer friendly?

[tiny verge]

I'm not sure

I think that game is uncanon but has lore-details that can be used for the canon

I choose to pretend it doesn't exist

[amber sonnet]

he becomes from a engineer hater with act 3 into a friend of engineers

[tiny verge]

well he's not necessarily a hater of engineers

just that he's a terrible engineer

[amber sonnet]

another example is the pipe that connects the windmill machine to the tube in the gun room

[tiny verge]

with the mind of an architect

[amber sonnet]

i still dont get how that works

[tiny verge]

Peterson uses black magic in his shoddy engineering

[amber sonnet]

same black magic to keep his house from turning 45 degrees with the water room i reckon

[tiny verge]

realistically his house should collapse entirely

same with Act 2

[amber sonnet]

4 little wood beams aint holding up a swimming pool suspended in mid air

[tiny verge]

but that's why I love the Act 2 and 3 designs of the houses tbh

a literal nightmare

to any engineer

who is sane

but Peterson is clearly not sane

[amber sonnet]

act 2 piping must be fun to do

[tiny verge]

all of that just to keep Aaron/Aaron and Nicky trapped

[amber sonnet]

why place a massive trampoline if he wanted that

[tiny verge]

people gotta realize Peterson's still not a good guy

[tiny verge]

he has to leave too

he's got to get food, water, money for resources

rinse and repeat

[amber sonnet]

suspiciously shaped gate door with lock he has the key to probably

[tiny verge]

so he had to put safety measures that only he should have been able to use but Nicky uses anyways

that and most of Act 2 is a twisted memory

[amber sonnet]

and how would he get back down after jumping on the trampoline over the fence

is that why his car is broken

[tiny verge]

how does Nicky

[amber sonnet]

his shoes are very durable

[tiny verge]

he's missing a shoe

[amber sonnet]

he has a very durable shoe

[tiny verge]

meanwhile Peterson has durable legs

beat that Nicky

you can't jump off the Act 3 house and survive but the goat Peterson can and not feel a thing

bum Nicky vs chad Peterson

[amber sonnet]

meanwhile child nicky can push neighbor all the way into the towns lake with one shove:

beat that adult nicky

[willow depot]

I'm kinda sure later books say that they pinned that on him

iirc

[spiral minnow]

Huh? Can SOMEONE give me a bit of CONTEXT

Okay, nevermind that was a stupid question

Maybe it's Aaron being locked up, and him begging his father not to.

Hmm

Okay, i have a theory

About quentin from HN2

I think it was the guest who knocked us out. Because the guest was trying to get revenge on Quentin for running him over, as we saw during the opening cutscene.

Huh, give me some proof

Wasn't this canon to a unused cutscene

For like a trailer

Because if it is this would back up a lot of it

[torn path]

Both the final story and the beta story aren’t really compatible with the sequels. In both cases it’s kind of implied the Neighbour isn’t around anymore; he could very well be dead

And in both cases he’s not a very good candidate for a franchise antagonist

A broken abusive father and a broken neglectful-overprotective father

You can’t really do much with that

Original Neighbour though, yeah, definitely fits for a franchise antagonist. Especially since now we’re dealing with rituals and sacrifices, ghost town and false idol worshiping. Just make him the Guest and call it a day

[tiny verge]

I don't want the Faust storyline to return

I honestly don't like it much

Peterson does not need to be the devil for the story to be good

[torn path]

And that’s not what I’m saying

[tiny verge]

also in the case of the final game story, it's not actually stated what happened to Peterson in Act 3

[torn path]

I’m saying is that it fits more for a franchise

[tiny verge]

ehh

I mean if the goal is to make Peterson the main villain sure but

I don't think he needs to be the main villain

he's still an antagonist

but not a villain

[tiny verge]

also I don't like Peterguest so that's something I also need to disagree with

I'm kinda glad they scrapped that

[torn path]

Nor was it stated in the beta plot to be fair

[tiny verge]

not much was stated cause they never got the chance to elaborate

but I assume he's around still

[tiny verge]

I just much prefer the idea of a cryptid bird man haunting the town

I'm not sure if I'm right with this, but I consider Peterson to be the main protagonist and the Guest as the main villain

[torn path]

He’s an antagonist by definition though

[tiny verge]

they're both antagonists yes

but the Guest seems alot more villainous

[torn path]

He could be like overarching main character, as all of the stories are centred around him

[tiny verge]

while Peterson is well... obviously the main antagonist seeing as he's the face of the franchise

[dreamy sluice]

it pans to the church (which typically always has a graveyard, though i can't seem to spot it) in that original ending, which i feel like is implication enough

[tiny verge]

he's always against the protagonist of any given media

hm, I guess that's more reason for me to prefer the final story

but since it's implied I won't judge too much

[dreamy sluice]

peterson really loves watching horror movies with his wife! that's it!

[tiny verge]

they even decorated the basement door to make it look like someone was trying to hold onto the door trim

[torn path]

I don’t remember any church accents though

But if so, then yeah, it’s basically an implication

[wary flame]

I always thought the forest protectors were the main villains overall in the story

[tiny verge]

I dunno, it's hard to say but from what I do know the Guest is pretty villainous

[torn path]

Forest Protectors shot dead in the woods

[wary flame]

yeah

[amber sonnet]

family storyline had the neighbor confirmed dead in the present, not sure where you could continue off after that

[torn path]

He wasn’t confirmed to be

At the very least implied

[amber sonnet]

nicky goes to graveyard in ending cutscene to see his parents, thats enough proof for me

[tiny verge]

actually hold on, I can't see how the final story isn't compatible with the sequels

the sequels were literally made around the HN1 story

because that's what the books were based on

[dreamy sluice]

they left an ending to that original plot in the beta 3 modkit where nicky's like just sitting in the basement (which is actually a closet, one i presume to be fear_darkness' source since daddy neighbor was locking him in there) looking at photos and stuff

[wary flame]

Also do we know if and how the forest protectors are connected to the guest because im never sure on why they bare a resemblance to the guest

[dreamy sluice]

you're saying what i said but like

harder

[dreamy sluice]

I'll link a video to it

[torn path]

Yup, I remember that

[tiny verge]

they at the very least are worshipping the Guest, it's moreso that the Guest might not actually be on their side

[amber sonnet]

not sure what you mean by that but alright

[dreamy sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhr9Fcvkn98

[tiny verge]

yeah I saw that

[torn path]

What I don’t remember is any accents on the church

[dreamy sluice]

oh okay cool

[dreamy sluice]

i'm not quite sure what you mean by accents, but if you mean the like graveyard yeah i can't rlly see that

but typically in hn there is one there

[tiny verge]

I was messing around with the modkit Beta 3 maps because I was trying to see how I could basically utilize them in one of my mods (it was a retelling of the franchise story, but in a more jokey way)

and accidentally stumbled apon that

[dreamy sluice]

oh hey

[amber sonnet]

also i think another reason for the family storyline being scrapped is maybe because they didnt have enough time to make a model for child neighbor

because that would take more time than they had

couldve been one of the contributing factors for that

[tiny verge]

tbh knowing now Peterson was meant to go through the exit door it kinda makes the final version more sad

it basically originally meant the generational trauma was finally over

but instead now it's just Peterson still left to his fears and burdens

[dreamy sluice]

then why didn't they scrap modern storyline because they had to make four childnicky meshes

[amber sonnet]

we dont know if they were already being made behind the scenes

[tiny verge]

really vastly different vibe

[tiny verge]

considering how newart the kid Nicky model is

[dreamy sluice]

why would they make them if they wouldn't need to exist story-wise

[tiny verge]

his hat is literally a modern model

[amber sonnet]

plus child nicky still resembles the neighbor

so it couldve been made for that

[dreamy sluice]

child nicky resembles the neighbor only because he resembles nicky

who resembled the neighbor

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty, VERY sure actually that Nicky's kid models were made like right

RIGHT before the change

either that, or directly AFTER the change

[amber sonnet]

and you could explain act 2 nicky being made for family storyline as nicky imagining escaping the house in act 2

[dreamy sluice]

they're lilr the same person they kind of have to look the same

[amber sonnet]

thinking of the broom closet as the massive basement he gets out of

[tiny verge]

either way it would've been a tight timeline between the story change and the Act 1 Nicky model

[amber sonnet]

also i feel like child nicky models were easier to make than child neighbor

as they could just reuse nickys model, make a new texture and there

[tiny verge]

I know the plot was about generational trauma

[amber sonnet]

while child neighbor would need to look far more different

because of his age

[tiny verge]

but is there any evidence that Peterson was supposed to be shown as a child..?

[amber sonnet]

final_thing

peterson is there

he makes child sounds

there is concept art for child peterson in final_thing

[amber sonnet]

(which i dont have unfortunatley)

[tiny verge]

can you show that art

oh

nvm then

[amber sonnet]

i remember seeing it in a yt vid somewhere

but still

it would make less sence for peterson to be there and act like a child

instead of his child self

i gtg now

[tiny verge]

hey wait if Peterson is actually dead then
woah

my joke A2 mod was right

[amber sonnet]

so ima go

[tiny verge]

unintentionally

[tiny verge]

..?

[dreamy sluice]

they would have to introduce the child version, first, because like you can't bring up this new design out of nowhere and expect people to know who it is

for nicky, he's consistently the guy you play as

[dreamy sluice]

shhh

[tiny verge]

quick question

was kid Nicky even meant to be a part of the father son story..?

[dreamy sluice]

probably not

considering the only time you would actually see him was while he's being kidnapped

but you don't see anyone during that for a reason

so i'm fairly certain goober's just stretching for no reason

[tiny verge]

I figured

[sinful marten]

BUNA

[stark stump]

Bună

Joci Secret Neighbor,de obicei?

[vagrant igloo]

pretty high chance it was adelle and roger

imo at least

ok

[limber ridge]

So that's it then, the cultists made them. Does anything disprove that?

[limber ridge]

I dunno, just science.
Îs there any plotline where they try to figure the devices out? That would disprove it. If not we'll just assume they made them.

[limber ridge]

The question that's on my mind right now îs: what is the most common theory on the guest? Outside of supernatural being which is demonstrably false and Franklin from the series?

[vagrant igloo]

he's a creature
NOT supernatural, just an in-universe creature of some sorts
I refuse to even sort of accept he is franklin
and there is no way this dude is human

[dreamy sluice]

nicky....

and i hate it

[limber ridge]

@vagrant igloo
A creature is just another way to say supernatural being, there îs virtually no difference.
Not sure why he can't be human tho, outside of taking some moments too literally when the franchise is full of symbolism.

@dreamy sluice
Ok.

[vagrant igloo]

are dogs supernatural

are parrots
are cats

because those are all creatures

[dreamy sluice]

i keep seeing people come into this server like "i have a theory" and it's just nickydweller based on the same three easily dismissible coincidences/lies

there's so many

[nimble jetty]

Supernatural

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

I don’t think animals count as supernatural

[glacial whale]

This was already brought up months ago wether dogs are or not

I don’t think some people understand what they are even putting sometimes

[tiny verge]

nobody's gonna sit here and tell you Goku's supernatural just cause he's an alien that can turn into a giant monkey

so why must we pretend the Guest would have to be supernatural just cause he's not human

[tiny verge]

I hate the Nicky Guest theory so much it's annoying

there isn't a reason to force Nicky back into the series as a villain, especially because the Guest was literally around after Nicky was sent away

[dusty trench]

I dont think Guest is Nicky

[wicked heath]

He clearly is not

[dusty trench]

I know but, some people actually think he is…

[wicked heath]

Because ofc

Back then, there were ppl who thought he was Leslie Kornwell

(The coffee cop)

[dusty trench]

I know who that is.

and yea

i remember that lol

[marsh idol]

a creature does not mean supernatural.

[wicked heath]

A creature feature

[marsh idol]

supernatural means being beyond human’s observations

or universally

creature, means distinct from a human

like a dog, cat, etc

or a fictional species of sort

which in this case, a crow man.

obviously we see human characteristics with the Guest, like supposed claims of human arms as we see somewhere idk
the beak possibly being mechanism
or something along those

you could see the Guest as some insane guy who thinks he’s a crow

but the way he twitches, makes those sounds, his beak opening and closing more prominent then the forest protectors, almost supernatural strength and speed

you can say he’s adapting to human nature

[clever harness]

Cool Lore Ngl

[dusty trench]

Hello neighbor’s lore is awasome

And the franchise, even tho issues happened at certain periods of time.

[clever harness]

I agree

[tiny verge]

because theories mean nothing now

[dusty trench]

I mean, those are just people with little knowledge about the franchise becaue either they are new, and dont know where to look for lore since a lot of the lore confirmation is hidden in well, this server (lol) and other post and hidden medias and post. But I feel like the majority of people who actually understand most of the lore im HN have a good understandong of how the lore works in the frnachise and stuff within in.

But I mean, people can still learn all pf the stuff said bu nIkita and Alex here can be found oit in the ganes books and AS, but it just hasnt been fully implemented well in certain games like HN2 being the main example.

With other games like HE, S&R, and the rbbarchives website for HN2, and AS to confirm stuff for that game since it didnt implement the stiry the way it was supposed too.

But, the franchise is in a wayy better state rn, and more people are starting ti undertsnad the franchise not just story, but the development history aswell to know whats actually going in.

And HN3 is rn the closest ti Nikita dream game and its only in prototype rn.

And they are oacing things nice and its kind of a refresher from HN2, and even some other styff kind of makes HN2 grow on me and I have even seen a lot of others say that HN2 grew on them, even tho yuh know.

And not just HN2 but HN1 and H&S (even HE in a way) with more peopem understanding what HN is supposed to actually be. And them playing the later patches for those games.

[proper orchid]

ааа, так вот в чем дело

[unkempt sleet]

I agree with this so much other than the HN3 Guest not being the actual Guest

[limber ridge]

@tribal talon
Fax

@marsh idol
I know. I said virtually no difference because to us, the audience, some sort of special in-universe creature îs not much different from supernatural being. They still remain incredibly irealistic.

I'm not even saying it can't be some sort of in-universe natural creature. I am just personally not interested in the idea.

Same for Franklin

@vagrant igloo
Dogs are not supernatural. They are however something we know exist in our-universe.

@tiny verge
No one will. But If in-story they did say Goku is some magical being, it makes no difference.

@dusty trench
No accese to outside lore is one thing. Another is that him becomeing suddenly evil and having this grudge in the neighbour would defeat the while purpose of act 3 and generally the full first game.

@marsh idol
"Or a fictional creature of sorts"
That is what i meant.

@nimble jetty
Unless you're saying the guest is a dog or something we know You don't have a point.

[unkempt sleet]

And it's just not something Nikita would do tbh

[marsh idol]

and?

supernatural

can it do things like fly without explanation?

or teleport?

create worlds?

no

we can obviously observe it's a humanoid crow man

supernatural is beyond our observations. we can't observe something that for example, is a animatronic robot that's possessed by a soul

that's supernatural

adding a fictional creature to your story, is not supernatural.

[marsh idol]

then it's not supernatural.

everything is fiction, doesn't mean everything is supernatural.
unrealistic is the word.

[marsh idol]

that's called realistic.

not supernatural.

this is FICTION.

[marsh idol]

he's saying he's theoretically a humanoid crow for valid reasons.
yes when people see a humanoid crow they think it would be supernatural due to its resemblance of myth creatures (folk demons, shapeshifters, gods, spirits). they associate “non-human intelligence + human form” with magic by default, especially in a series that uses heavy symbolism. visually, the Guest taps into that instinct, so people label it supernatural even if the story doesn’t say so outright.

but in hello neighbor nothing truly magical exists, since all strange phenomena are human-made, symbolic, or natural anomalies; the guest never uses magic, teleportation, or reality-breaking powers and instead behaves like a physical creature that runs, hides, observes, and manipulates through timing and fear, which keeps him grounded in the same rule-set as weather machines and luck devices; a crow-humanoid could exist as a rare biological anomaly, an unidentified species, or a real being exaggerated into folklore over time, meaning it is unnatural but not supernatural, and this fits hello neighbor’s recurring theme where myths are created around real things, storms become “curses,” devices become “fate,” and the guest becomes a god-figure only because the cult and town mythologize him rather than because he is truly magical.

he still abides by classical physics, he acts human sometimes, only being equal in strength with ones like Theo who took on 5 or 8 police officers.

[dusty trench]

Yes

[glacial whale]

How do y’all keep up with the lore without forgetting stuff? Do you write it down or frequently reread the books or something? I find myself forgetting a lot of it aside from very basic stuff

[vagrant igloo]

I've got a mind like a steel trap

[glacial whale]

Alright then

[marsh idol]

i train an AI and feed it hello neighbor lore

[dusty trench]

I usually have a good memory with the lore. I have re read the books befire many times. And replayed the agens and looked around the maps for eatser eggs and look for more info and ideas for HN to see if it fits the lore. And sometimes I get refreshers from ccorrect sources who imundertsnd lore and even not just lore but other stuff becaue well, im only human I get things wrong too lol.

[tiny verge]

EXACTLY

it's just BAD story telling

[tiny verge]

the Guest is stated by Nikita to not be a magical being

so my Goku comparison stands

nobody's gonna say Goku is supernatural cause of how he's an alien

and strong

so, no, the Guest is not supernatural

you think of him like you would a saiyan, the Guest is his own species

naturally he'd be stronger but that doesn't mean he's supernatural

that would make him superhuman, which is alot less "magical"

[tiny verge]

Nikita's stated there are no, and I mean NO supernatural elements

[marsh idol]

an illusion?

he's not actually a sentient ghost

that's just a hallucination or illusion.

for that to be the only "supernatural" element makes no sense. why can Joe become a ghost? why not Mya? why not anyone else?

is there an explanation to why he's the only ghost that can be seen by another person?

or is he a hallucination and not actually a sentient ghost

[marsh idol]

too true

[tiny verge]

yeah so basically

we just need to think outside the box

we're being too simple minded to think it's all just supernatural, which if it were the case it'd be fine

but there's no canonical supernatural stuff

so we cannot think simply

[marsh idol]

things can seem supernatural, like the unusual storm and apparent "bad luck", but you're thinking of the town's perspective. outside; the reason behind these occurrences, is explained anything but supernatural

[nimble jetty]

I wasn’t saying the Guest is a dog I’m saying that a creature isn’t supernatural

Supernatural is something beyond laws of nature or scientific explanation

(Tho some things like ghosts, although mostly supernatural, can be depicted in media as having a scientific explanation possibly somehow)

Hello Neighbor is just lots of sci fi I guess

[wise bridge]

actively arguing with someone that thinks the guest, is a person when it’s not even human

how does one call this human

[glacial whale]

Looks like at least twelve human people I have seen

[dusty trench]

metaphorical

[marsh idol]

this is more likely just a human who went insane

it’s stylistic choice

hes bending his back and tilting down his head, the beak is on the top of his head not the front of his face. if he were to straighten his back and look forward, the beak faces upwards

i argue it’s not the same guest in the previous

[marsh idol]

it is sci fi

mainly for the storms

[dusty trench]

Not to mention in terms of stylistic choces in HN (which can have some connection) is that the vandal signed is literally looking down all the time with his hood covering his eyes and his nose sticking from the bottom.

Even tho for HN3 and even the franchise a lot of the stylistic choices have meaning, it still looks cool.

Its kind of like crackhead hunch backs who’s backs are bent all the way down 😭✌️🥀

I mean, literally raven brooks became the trenches lol.

[nimble jetty]

Raven Brooks is what the hood will look like in 2028

I mean, it’s a damaged town with vandals running around

[dusty trench]

yea

signed is definetly off that 💀

[nimble jetty]

Tierlist of which hello neighbor characters are most likely to be drug addicts

[wise bridge]

in search and rescue why does the guest go from bird to guest form on screen?

[dusty trench]

In search and rescue why we see that is becaue thatv is metaphorical. How that is metaphorical is because it represents the ravens representing whatbis ahppeneing through out the storyline, how the story is infested and cursed by symbols of bad luck, ravens being the main thing to that in this franchise. And why its The Guest is because The Guest is one of the main things to represent the town and how its crumbled over the years. And we see this aith the idea seen so far with The Raven Man festival at first being very important to the town in a good way, was later crumbled by the greedy hands of cult controlling a corporation whoch led to the fall off of what was once the symbol lf the town in peoples eyes. But even now, The Guest represents the town still. Woth how damgerous and evil it really is. And even we see his design over in each iteration looking more like its been through some stuff.

[marsh idol]

it’s a dream/illusion

he doesn’t actually transform.

[dusty trench]

To add on its likes parially dream as a metaphor in a way yea. Like showing the metaphors. Kind of like how we the viewer see The Thing and non of them in game actually see it visually.

[marsh idol]

yes

it’s never fully clear, thats what leads people to leaning towards supernatural causes

you always have to dive in deeper

[dusty trench]

yea

[tiny verge]

I'm still gonna choose to see the Guest as a crow man

that doesn't need to be supernatural

[wise bridge]

why did nicky appear 1 game and never appear again? like can he never just appear again or will he?

[limber ridge]

@tiny verge
"Virtually" no difference to me means that if you would replace it with supernatural or anything like that nothing would change. Again, it may even be some creature but i am not at all interested in that answer.

@wise bridge
Have you ever considered it could be a costume?

@marsh idol
Oh my. I should have just led with "no fictional creature answer" because otherwise it's like we're speaking a different language.

[wise bridge]

there ain’t a way this thing is human tho

[limber ridge]

@wise bridge
Again. Costumes exist

[wanton roost]

the speed of the guest is definitely supernatural but somehow they gotta explain that he ain't

[limber ridge]

@wanton roost
Symbolism and metaphors are a big part of the HN franchise.

[wise bridge]

quick explanation, if you played hello neighbor 3 that thing is too tall to be a costume and it is insanely fast to the point it’s really hard to merely get away, that ain’t a costume that ain’t a human either

[tiny verge]

Peterguset was scraped for good reason

[wise bridge]

plus hasn’t peterson killed quite a few of the cultists

[tiny verge]

atleast one

[limber ridge]

@tiny verge
And that reason doesn't have to be them not liking the costume. It could be just them wanting another person to be the guest.

[wise bridge]

it’s likely not human at all

[limber ridge]

@wise bridge
I mean yeah but there isn't even any proof that the cultists do work with the guest. They workship him. But he might not be on board with it.

[tiny verge]

hold on

the Guest literally had his beak shrunken down in the betas in order to make the beak look more natural

and his textures were heavily altered in the beta, removing the stitching on the outfit

[limber ridge]

Îs that a confirmed reason?

[tiny verge]

plus they made the beak look alot more worn down

aged

[wise bridge]

reply to messages don’t randomly use @

[limber ridge]

Old wood.

[limber ridge]

To this message.

[tiny verge]

cause the Guest has been around for a long time

[limber ridge]

If we don't know for how long then it doesn't prove anything.

[tiny verge]

the wood would be rotten already

because the Guest is directly stated to have been around for a long LONG time

likely when Peterson was a kid

[wise bridge]

before nicky

[limber ridge]

Where exactly?

[tiny verge]

YEAH so ALL Nicky Guest theorists need to shut up god the worst theory ever

[wise bridge]

so the “nicky der guest” theory isn’t true by even tiny evidence

[wise bridge]

genuinely that theory makes me wanna upload a mod to hello neighbor of nicky having a random explosive that will be coded and can throw peterson off the map to the point it crashes your game

[limber ridge]

Not even because of timeline reasons. It just makes the message of HN 1 pointless

[tiny verge]

also the sound design was specifically changed in Patch 9 to make the Guest sound even more like a crow raven thing

[limber ridge]

Îs that confirmed?

[wise bridge]

hello guest already proves it ain’t human by the weird clicking sound

[limber ridge]

In hello guest he îs peterson tho.

[tiny verge]

dude

[wise bridge]

and this sound

[wise bridge]

are you, perhaps someone who doesn’t understand that he isn’t the guest

[limber ridge]

They could have done that for any reason. We can't just assume any one.

[limber ridge]

Nikita has quite literally confirmed it on his interview with Mega M

[tiny verge]

Peterguest was retconned for a reason

[wise bridge]

post a link or i’m just gonna keep brining up those weird audios of the guest “click”

[tiny verge]

Hello Guest wasn't as big as it became with Hello Neighbor 2, the character originally wasn't gonna be as big

[wise bridge]

same thing that can kill people since it makes quentin’s and the other characters heart rate spike

[tiny verge]

but they retconned it because they wanted to expand the Guest

[limber ridge]

Yeah but You can't deny he wasn't Peterson there.

In hg

[wise bridge]

it fixes some lore of the guest like get kidnapped

and also the fact peterson has been missing since hello neighbor 2

[tiny verge]

straight up, if the Guest is a costume

complete

utter dogshit

I said it, the Guest being a costume is TERRIBLE lore

like abysmally bad

[wise bridge]

the guest is not human anyways

[tiny verge]

Peterguest SUCKED, the new theories all SUCK

[wise bridge]

~10 feet tall entity

also for a fact

the tallest person was around 9 feet tall

and he died in his 30s

if the guest was human then it would be nearly 100

since it is older than theodore as far as i know

[tiny verge]

oh also it's stated somewhere that the clicking noises comes from the head too

if the beak was fake, it'd have to come from the beak

cause there's not any room in that head area at all

oh and anytime the beak is fake in the full lore, it doesn't move

the Forest Protectors in the show..? no moving beak

the beak in Hello Neighbor 3, which can be explained as either the Guest lost his beak or it's not the same being, that beak..? it barely moves

and even then it's being held by string so it doesn't open too wide

[wise bridge]

specifically in hello neighbor 3 the beak is enormous and stands together with wire

[torn path]

At this point I feel like there no overarching lore anymore

[tiny verge]

there's a clear sign, atleast I feel, that the Guest is not human

[tiny verge]

it's overarching, but they're doing this whole perspective thing

[torn path]

This is exactly the reason why everything is so disconnected from each other

Raven Brooks looks completely different in each game

The Guest drastically changes its/his personality basically each new media

Kolesnikov has his own ideas, book writers had their own ideas, series writers have their own ideas

They sometimes cross-reference each other, but that’s literally it

[limber ridge]

For You, it would suck. I personally think the other way around sucks. We can agree to disagree.

[torn path]

Each media has its own lore I feel like

That’s why I prefer to analyse stuff by the context of what was relevant during its release

[limber ridge]

The guest îs like around Peterson's height tho. The Speed i haven't seen, și i will check it, but i doubt it's something that can only be explained with non-human.

Bye rn.

[torn path]

The Neighbour’s evil clone

Tbh he always was very similar to the Neighbour appearance wise, though his hands are a noticeably more thin

Even in his original Late Night Shift design, when he was 100% supposed to be the Neighbour

[tiny verge]

the Guest literally beat Peterson in a fight and Peterson is like, the peak of humanity's strength in Hello Neighbor

[marsh idol]

i don’t know why you ping and not reply.
either way, are you saying there cant be fictional creatures? like i don’t know if that’s what you’re saying but if it is, thats not even an answer to the supernatural thing.

[marsh idol]

that, is human

[marsh idol]

superhuman is the most i’ll say

[marsh idol]

he has literally been a thing since the Tavish Society which existed since Ted and Franklin were little kids

maybe even longer, never specified but it’s since they were kids

yet the Guest has not shown any signs of aging, still very agile and can fair in a fight with Ted

and again, the beak twitches and moves more like a crow than the Forest Protectors and obviously the Guest in HN3

[marsh idol]

forest protectors are able to make those sounds as well but the Guest can do raven sounds and speak english so it’s 50/50

[limber ridge]

As i have said before. It may even be some fictional creature but i am not interested in that answer.

[limber ridge]

In the AS the forest protectors also make those clicking sounds. We wouldn't say they aren't human there.

[limber ridge]

If it's not confirmed then don't Say it as If it îs.

[limber ridge]

Search up Mega M Nikita interview, then fi to the 2:26:00 Mark. He says IT there.

[tiny verge]

Patch 9 sounds and those clicking sounds are different

plus it's not stated that it doesn't come from the beak with those guys

furthermore, the clicking noises in Alpha 1.5 are less edited than the Beta/Secret Neighbor clicking sounds

Idk why you'd hold onto the concept that basically removes the Guest as a character

and they try and act like people who don't attach to that concept are wrong

when tons of changes were done especially because they didn't even know what to do with the Guest after the Peterguest storyline was shot out back

and one thing I think nobody's even dared to think about is that if the Guest IS anyone, he'd have to be an entirely different character, one never revealed

every current character is either completely absent in HN3, or is Peterson (and Peterson gets angry about the festival)
one theorized person is Franklin but he's dead

one theorized person is Nicky, but that's literally impossible + bad writing

so even if the Guest is a costume, the reveal is gonna be dumb

cause he can't be any of the pre-HN3 characters, they shouldn't be there
but if he's actually just a new character we never seen before then that's anti-climatic

the Guest costume concept is dumb and undermines alot, it should be left behind

[marsh idol]

it's more proof than him being human.

what

what do you even mean with this

[marsh idol]

if he's nobody we know

then it's not a surprise

and the developers have said

it will surprise us

he's a real guy

[earnest birch]

the first who answer this are fan of hn3

[tiny verge]

Idk how anyone wouldn't be interested in a folklore creature anyways

like it only reinforces the form of storytelling this franchise uses

[tiny verge]

exactly it's just "hey we made a new character but he's pretending to be the character we were hyping up since Hello Neighbor 2, please care about this!!!"

you're saying this about a ghost btw

if ghosts were real in Hello Neighbor, why have we not seen Mya, Diane, Lucy Yi, any of the WTRB fodder

list goes on

this is the same franchise where the creator outright says the Thing doesn't exist even as a hallucination

and is nothing but a metaphor

yet you're gonna sit here and tell me the only instance of a ghost isn't a metaphor

or some kind of hallucination

while it contradicts it

you need to be more open minded

[tiny verge]

that's my point

you're hand waving someone for saying the ghost isn't real just so you can say something supernatural happens

but the thing is, the people in charge say there's nothing supernatural

so that's that

there's nothing supernatural

I think the people who are in charge of the story of the franchise have more say than that

if they say nothing supernatural happens

that's not a real ghost

you cannot use that against me because I'm simply regurgitating what people like Nikita have said

while you're shutting that down

I'd have to look later

but when you realize just how sci-fi the lore is you'd understand what the hell he's talking about

Joe cannot be paranormal when the rest of the franchise allude to there being no supernatural elements

in any shape or form

I mean if they're gonna turn the Thing into a hallucination well then there you go

[marsh idol]

exactly

[tiny verge]

someone even said that it's more likely to be a hallucination than a real ghost

[tiny verge]

I guess cryptids are too cool for normies

scroll up, they were one of the few people responding to the "ghost Joe" thing you brought up

well it's not like both can't be true

the Thing is a hallucination in current lore but he's still a representation of fear

[dreamy sluice]

nikita kolisnikov

in this server

[marsh idol]

yea he created hello neighbor but like

[tiny verge]

Ghost Joe

not the Thing

[marsh idol]

the ghost joe is so obviously a hallucination or illusion

[tiny verge]

but I'm applying the same logistics to Joe anyways because nobody else is shown to be a ghost

[dreamy sluice]

who the freak is ghost joe 💔

[marsh idol]

he's not an actual sentient ghost there

[marsh idol]

some random i think cousin of a character

he died

and the character sees him as a ghost

[tiny verge]

#lore-discussion message

he's not a ghost

[marsh idol]

good

[tiny verge]

that's literally against EVERYTHING in the franchise

[marsh idol]

because it's so dumb for filets to even roam in hello neighbor

that's so uninteresting

and the fact he's the only ghost

a random dude who's barely of importance

gets a ghost but not Mya

[tiny verge]

error you're trying to turn this into an inconsistency for no real good reason

[dreamy sluice]

guys... the guest... is mya ghost......

trust

[tiny verge]

who would be under the rules of the people in charge..????

mandates exist and are common practice

[marsh idol]

maybe anyone can cook

[dreamy sluice]

she chose crowman ghost form because of the

tattoo on her wrist that sometimes exists

of crow

trust

[tiny verge]

the tattoo is invisible ink

[dreamy sluice]

just like how she went invisible after falling off that building

[tiny verge]

exactly!!!

if ghost Joe is canonically real then that's wasted potential

[dreamy sluice]

ghost joe is showing up in hn3 jsyk

[tiny verge]

and then he's just a hologram

from some modified 90s projector

what, did he steal Joe's bus..?

[dreamy sluice]

ghost joe is the projectionist

[marsh idol]

what if you never say hello neighbor, and say goodbye neighbor

[tiny verge]

if you get what I'm referencing you're as demented as I am

[dreamy sluice]

No... it can't be...

[dreamy sluice]

Let's play nice.

[tiny verge]

I think he's also a demon, one may say a demon of ink

[marsh idol]

even i wouldn't spend five nights with him

freddy agrees

[tiny verge]

and it's not possible at all that she's just grieving..? wants to think he's still there..?

[dreamy sluice]

why is it costco nicky roth

[tiny verge]

...yeah a hallucination could tell someone that too...

it'd still be in her head

[tiny verge]

Walmart brand Nicky

you're showing it rn

dude would look at the mannequins from patch 9 and not think Peterson made them out of severe grieve

[versed yacht]

Bosco Bay has a lot of weird "is this real" moments

[tiny verge]

like grief is VERY common in this franchise to make characters insane

Peterson literally goes from abusive to a literal psychopath who locks kids in his basement

[tiny verge]

just to not keep his son lonely

I think she is

she's seeing things

you're literally the one trying to hold onto this ghost thing when this franchise is explicitly stated not to have supernatural stuff

[tiny verge]

if anything what we're saying is only recontextualizing things to actually fit the damn lore because it doesn't make any damn sense in the grand scheme of things

multiple people are stated to see the Thing

like in the current lore of the Thing, he's like that man in the dream where everyone sees the same man in their dream

and that disproves the Thing..? especially considering YOU yourself stated Peterson has the Thing in his book

[glacial whale]

Hey man uh I just opened chat

Well that guide book is full of outdated and mostly unreliable info. Had some cool stuff like sn kids names from books

Yea just those three I mean

[dreamy sluice]

those three are the only canon SN kids

the rest are imaginary

and nicky is insane

there is no inventors club

[glacial whale]

Neighbor? Is neighbor a real neighbor?

[dreamy sluice]

hello

[tiny verge]

y'know I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled that

[dreamy sluice]

'sco 'ay

lol

[dreamy sluice]

they pulled that in 'sco 'ay

[glacial whale]

Who’s not real?

[dreamy sluice]

OH it's bosco bay

[dreamy sluice]

iunno, they aren't real

[tiny verge]

I thought they pulled that in Neighbor's Basics in Education at Home Invasion

where Nicky teaches you how to break into your neighbor's basement

[glacial whale]

It’s connecting guys just throw some more together

[tiny verge]

but goes insane when you get a question wrong

[dreamy sluice]

tricky's cough

[tiny verge]

Neighbor and The Ink Machine

Peterson is an ink colored demon there

[glacial whale]

Jokes aside I’ll never get over that someone thought it was canon because of that beta crossover.

[tiny verge]

that's funny

[versed yacht]

I remember that

[tiny verge]

he's canon in my heart

[glacial whale]

A heart canon? Instead of head canon

[tiny verge]

y'know I think it's time we all accept Hello Neighbor all takes place inside of a Minecraft Realm

and it's just a bunch of kids roleplaying

the inventors club are just kids playing pretend

[glacial whale]

Neighbor is upset that the admins are not banning the kids

They ruin his builds

[tiny verge]

Forest Protectors is just the name of the administration team

and the Guest is the server owner that doesn't like his admin team

Quentin is just some YouTuber trying to make a video on the MC Realm

[tiny verge]

they're pretending that them looting Peterson's bases are just them stealing his clues

[glacial whale]

The thing is just some mod they threw in

[tiny verge]

ohhh so it's a server

[glacial whale]

I don’t remember the difference

[tiny verge]

yeah I was wondering why they had custom blocks

realms can't be modded and must always be up to date with the current versions

but they had custom wallpaper blocks and wood types

so I guess it is modded

[glacial whale]

So is mayak the /kill all command? Because that one novel Ted uses the command block to delete raven brooks

[tiny verge]

it's the /weather set thunder command

and it's a command block that only the Guest can access

though Forest Protector admins tried hooking up redstone to it that they call luck devices

[glacial whale]

What exactly am I seeing here?

Who’s the wizard to the right?

Must be that wizard that was there

[tiny verge]

probably staff

I uh, wouldn't blame them

wait wth why did he get banned

I mean the image was insensitive but damn

oh well I guess

[glacial whale]

Yea so lore

[tiny verge]

it's crazy how we jokingly tied the entire lore to a Minecraft SMP

[dusty trench]

Lucy Yi secret neighbor

the thing that is most important. The thing that basically kicked off the story. The weather station building as far as we know was created hy Riger and Adele. Two meteorologist who are the oarents of Franklin, Theodore Peterson, and Lisa. Later Roger and Adele got funded by the golden apple company. But later on as greed started to get involved and business behind the scenes was problematic and filled with experiments within the weather station, that only created a whole bunch if incident resulting from the wetaher station and the true power of MAYAK. Thats the basic beginning start of Mayak.

[dusty trench]

My take on the whole ghost thing especailly with The Secret of Bosco Bay is that what we see of Joe speaking to Jen is metaphorical communication. Like we see honts of Joe beings kmehat of a metaphorical guidence to Jen with thebweird dream like moments that happen that also show her memories from when she was younger. Which thise moments are obvious metaphorical ams represent that throughout the story, Jen is trying to find her brother. And in these old memories she is going through that are distorted, its representing taht she is closely getting to Joe. Like she is getting closer to finding him. And that conversation at the ene is metaphorical of Jen finding Joe in spirit, and that they will always be connected togethor in “spirit,” setting him free in a way. And this ties to why we see a metaphorical ghost of Lucy in SN. What this is showing is that Lucy is very infamous in the tiwn with her name being brought up in ways in the franchize that kind of, subtle. Like her name haunts the plot because of the whole incident that happened at the GAP. And in a way this is showing the characters in a way setting her sould to rest metaphorocally. As they have a somewhat connection to her like Maritza as a main example. Even Enzo and Trinity. And as far as we know Ivan, Delroy, and Finch probably werent suoer close to her but they knew her and to see theyre friends minds shattered by this is sad to them. And for Quentin, this shows for him how he is getting closer to what the town is hiding. And that Lucy is one of the main things as I mentioned before her death in a way haunts the franchise, with her being brought up to new characters like Regina in reset day, and that book is played out almost like a creepy camp fire story in a way. And Quentin little connection with the rescue squad can relate aswell, with him nkt fully being intact with them really but knows of them as we see in AS.

[dusty trench]

yea, hugely metaphorical.

[marsh idol]

most likely a actual crow man or someone we never seen before

[wary flame]

Why is everyone suddenly replying to my week old messages

[wary flame]

I see

[tiny verge]

actually in the Isaac ending, the beak mask is closed
meaning the Guest has control over it too and I think that's important

the Forest Protectors..? never could
but for some reason he can, because what's left of his old beak he likely can still control

that tells me that the Guest in HN3 isn't human either

but a shell of who the Guest once was

[dusty trench]

Yea I see what you mean. And it is strange that while we domt get an animation of the forest protectros moving theyre beaks, but one one shot they will have it closed and in the next it will be open. Like the while Ivan and Mr. Murtaugh scene. And even the cult members have strange noises too and even when theys oeak it siunds all distorted and weird. Only thing is it doesnt sound suoer animalistic like The Guest and it sounds more robltic, like a distorted voice box or sum. And even sometimes The Guest sounds fake like s voice box too. Like in S&R even tho there he sounds more mystical than animalistic he still somtimes has these weird cits in his noises thats sound robotic in a way (which can tie to metaphors), and even in SN kind of. But he is stil animalistic. Even the old Guest noises are still present in SN as an easter egg when playing in the map and those noises sound less animalistic than the sounds we are familiar with (heard it during the current version its on like months ago and they havent updated it since halloween a long while ago). But yea, the whole thing with The Guest is although really interesting aswell as his true identity and big overall ties to the story.

[tiny verge]

Idk I think the Guest is just

a crow man

that eventually lost his beak and got a new one

[dusty trench]

Maybe. Its those human arms in the HN3 model. But that can be metaphorical but still we dotm know enough yet. His beak in the previous instalments looks more wooden, while the HN3 model beak is metal. And what you said reminded me of a previous theory that alot of people have made which is in Petersons book we see a lot of spiritual stuff that is higely metaphorical and connefts to a lot of the stuff we see in the story even related to the technology from Mayak and the Luck devices and the ritualistic practices. But in the book we see a cultist drawing and another showing the beak having eyes that is shaped like a skull and looks like an old creature. And a theory is that there are sole cukt members with mask that are fake recreations of the bird man, like the ones we see in HN2 and the books looking more fake and like a recreation (even tho in the books its like a shadow sillouette and we dont know what its fully depicted as but the sillouette looks similar to the HN2 ones, grave mistakes logo). And people think that they cult mask are actually skulls of an old ancient race of tall human sized intellegent ravens. And they ahev some fake mask or sum.

[tiny verge]

his Patch 9 sounds are pure crow

[tiny verge]

and he seems to be able to communicate with the ravens (ATLEAST TO MY KNOWLEDGE)

[dusty trench]

meant to say SN, not HN2

hold ill be back

gtg for a sec

[tiny verge]

the Secret Neighbor ones are just his beta sounds

so they're outdated

[dusty trench]

I mean i guess, but they can still be used as an idea. Since they are still within the game. Like The Guest model in SN and S&R is from HG.

[tiny verge]

they're literally outdated

[dusty trench]

but still, as an idea.

[tiny verge]

I don't consider it

they don't even have the cloak in SN

the only reason why I'm still using the beta sounds alongside the Patch 9 sounds in whatever I make is cause I think they still mesh well, since the Beta sounds don't sound fake to me

[dusty trench]

What about S&R

?

[tiny verge]

it uses the Hello Guest model

and a few beta sounds

but mostly the alpha 1.5 sounds

which tbh the Alpha 1.5 sounds are also kinda more natural to me but whatever I can see how it wouldn't be for others

[dusty trench]

And are still used as an idea. Sonce its in game.

[tiny verge]

main point, I don't consider it proof that he's not a crow man considering how they're outdated

and probably would get replaced and updated with the Patch 9 design (albiet in the case of S&R, with new textures) and the Patch 9 sounds

[dusty trench]

Maybe

[dusty trench]

i guess…

[tiny verge]

cause the most recent version of his HN2 design has things that are changed directly making him feel more naturally like a crow

plus I just don't like the idea that he's somehow human

[dusty trench]

Im not trying to condradicting either

im bringing up points for both.

[marsh idol]

yes that’s true but it’s because it’s a cone like mask.
it’s clear he can’t open and close it without using his hands to close it for him theoretically

while the guest from HN3 constantly twitches his beak opening and closing

[untold vigil]

Are you leakstacks?

[marsh idol]

the HN3 Guest’s mask is more clearly a mask

[tiny verge]

in the Isaac animation the mask was closed before he even grabbed it

and he was also looking down

[marsh idol]

he could of closed it before you saw him?

[tiny verge]

I'm just saying, I think because the Guest used to have a beak I think he can still control the fake one

[marsh idol]

the beak doesnt twitch when it makes its noise

[untold vigil]

What if he wears it on his head

[marsh idol]

they both make different sounds as well

[untold vigil]

How does he breathe or see too

[marsh idol]

the guest drops the entire crow act and starts moaning

[tiny verge]

I mean yeah but the Guest can actually change how he sounds

that's why I especially don't think he's human

[untold vigil]

Then what is he?..

[tiny verge]

he's basically got a way more advanced vocal range than a crow would

[tiny verge]

I still say he's a crow man

[marsh idol]

the guest in HN3 is most likely just a human who went insane i say

the guest in patch 9 and in HN2 is not human

i stand by these 2 being different

[tiny verge]

just that in HN3 his feathers got lost

I mean his skin is rotting

[untold vigil]

Idk man but he isn't supernatural

[marsh idol]

for the

[tiny verge]

he's not supernatural no

[marsh idol]

millionth time

[untold vigil]

That really confuses me

[tiny verge]

cryptids are not supernatural

[marsh idol]

a fictional creature

does not mean supernatural

[tiny verge]

cryptids are mythological

we're not gonna say all Pokemon are supernatural

[untold vigil]

Oh that's what you meant

[marsh idol]

supernatural means things beyond human comprehension.
like super powers, etc

or ghosts

magic

[tiny verge]

Goku's not supernatural just cause he's an alien

[marsh idol]

all of that

[tiny verge]

superhuman ain't supernatural either

well I guess it depends on the powers but still

[marsh idol]

and either way i say the Guest is still lurking in HN3

[tiny verge]

he's not supernatural just cause he's strong, he's naturally strong

that's just how his species is

[marsh idol]

the guest we see in HN3 is for symbolic purposes

[tiny verge]

y'know it's totally possible

totally possible

that the HN3 design isn't canon

and he still canonically looks like he did before

[marsh idol]

i don’t think we ever got confirmation of designs being confirmed final in HN3

but HN3 itself is still canon

but although i find that to be

like literally outrageous

[tiny verge]

but because it's so far into the future + the festival statue
for gameplay reasons we see the design

[marsh idol]

it’s still in its THIRD prototype stage

and it’s canon

[tiny verge]

I don't consider it canon YET

[marsh idol]

like it’s in it’s early stages, so much can change

[marsh idol]

i believe somewhere here it’s said HN3 is canon
i hope i am mistaken

i had news from Dark about it

but either way

the design of the guest in HN3 is weird as well

if he was a crow man

his beak shouldn’t be a mask

and he can’t have a real beak under there because

as we see in his design his head is VERY SMALL

[tiny verge]

again I like the idea that he could've lost it

and made a new one

that'd explain why he has more control over it too

just attach it to where it used to be with some kind of tape

as good as new

birds can lose their beaks too (it's actually really sad seeing them like that)

[tiny verge]

same game with someone's head able to fit in a cone btw

head proportions aren't gonna make him suddenly not a crow man

[marsh idol]

what

thats not at all what i mean?

i’m saying with a head that small covered by the beak and neck turtle thing, he can’t even have a beak

which his beak is not a real beak

[tiny verge]

yeah I'm aware it's metal

[marsh idol]

could be

but we never have any prior knowledge of what happen during these transitions

which is why i’m going off based of what we are shown

until any further info is shown to connect these two

[tiny verge]

well in Raven Brooks Disasters when he and Peterson fight, I think it's 2014 canonically, the Guest looked like his pre-cloak design

maybe they're not the same

or again maybe the design isn't actually what the characters see cause from an outsider's perspectives that don't know anything about the oddities of Raven Brooks it's completely possible that the player character just refuses to believe a crow man exists

[marsh idol]

eh very meta

[tiny verge]

it's something I brought up to my aunt last night actually and was talking about

[marsh idol]

you talk about HN lore with your aunt?

[tiny verge]

and yet it's not out of the question considering Nikita stated Act 3 doesn't exist

yeah

I actually got her into the first game

since I bought it for her

[marsh idol]

the symbolism with the player’s view to this world is, i cant lie not a bad concept but is VERY much more complicated

i find it even harder then fnaf lore and i know a fair share of it through all of its media

[marsh idol]

warms my heart almost

[tiny verge]

||also I want to introduce Hello Neighbor stuff to my SML Parodies so discussing them with her is kinda important, seeing as she helps me with them||

[tiny verge]

I mean

yeah it's complicated

I may be wrong on it entirely

but what do I know I'm not Nikits

I mostly liked the hypothesis and wanted to bring it up cause I think it characterizes the player character

who we don't have much info about besides the fact that he reads ways to die

is our player character depressed..?

[inland folio]

ahem

ears

oh wow hes also gone

dang

ty for deleting the whole conversation

[dreamy sluice]

?

who is reading this?

if it's hn3 proto guy, it said '100 things to do before you die' and not that

otherwise i have no idea what this could refer to

[dreamy sluice]

bucket list kind of thing

[inland folio]

im getting offtopic here but there is no way bro was reading a book in 2028 or whenever is hn3 takes place

[eager island]

whats wrong with reading books

[inland folio]

im surprised the people in the town dont just doom scroll instagram all day

[dreamy sluice]

2028, based on the neighbor's age and birthyear

[inland folio]

ok i dont do that but to bring up as an example

[dreamy sluice]

raven brooks def does NOT have internet bro

[inland folio]

didnt quentins little swamp place have internet or something since uh

he had cameras

[dreamy sluice]

okay but who said those cameras ran on internet

also that was in like 1996

[inland folio]

true true

[dreamy sluice]

everyone knows the internet was only invented in 2026

[inland folio]

ah silly me

[tiny verge]

booktok

[tiny verge]

I see

I overread it then

hold on did all of the Peterson moral talk deleted..?

or did I somehow imagine it when I fell asleep on the bus

[tiny verge]

also no security cameras existed long before the internet

it was 1996, the internet was still in it's dial-up era

they are not recording that stuff and sending it over to Quentin live

[wise bridge]

he got kidnapped by the guest if i remember

[tiny verge]

man I think I did go insane

I could've sworn there was a talk about whether or not Peterson was misunderstood

but it's completely gone so maybe I just dreamt that

[wise bridge]

9-13 foot tall entity, if someone was that tall and around 100 it would die from a little cut

[marsh idol]

that's probably why i don't believe he's the same guest as the one in HN2?

plus again you could even argue if it is the same guest he isn't human so that's why he's still so agile after a 100 years

or being a 100 years old

[marsh idol]

dude

me too

[tiny verge]

I mean...as long as the HN2 Guest remains a crow man I'd be dine with that

[marsh idol]

wait

it's probably

[tiny verge]

ok so I'm not insane

[marsh idol]

symbolic

it's a metaphor

🤔🤔🤔

[tiny verge]

I may be insane..?

I'm confused did we actually talk about that

[wise bridge]

it’s older than theodore as far as i know and still can run really fast

[tiny verge]

I'm still half asleep

[marsh idol]

i don’t think so

you might be asleep

[marsh idol]

it’s way older

[wise bridge]

also would a human make these sounds?

[marsh idol]

i’m not saying hes human..

[tiny verge]

see now I can't tell if you're trying to mess with me

[marsh idol]

also

[wise bridge]

ITS AN IT

[marsh idol]

you do know

[tiny verge]

he's saying they're not the same person

[marsh idol]

the forest protectors

make the same sound

like i see what you’re saying

but youre using very bad evidence

[tiny verge]

the Guest in HN3 may not be the same as him is basically what Tech's saying

[wise bridge]

the forest protectors unlike the guest also got a member brutally murdered

[marsh idol]

okay??

what does this prove???

[tiny verge]

I think the Patch 9 sounds are better to use as a defense

since they sound alot more crow

[marsh idol]

i was going to say patch 9 but i lost track so i didn’t want to mistake anything

[tiny verge]

like actual caw noises, bird noises I didn't even know exist

I have all of the Guest sounds actually

[wise bridge]

if the guest was human it would be in a literal nursing home because of how old it is

[marsh idol]

i’m not calling him human…

like

[tiny verge]

a user named Rotten actually helped me get the Secret Neighbor ones, which basically are the Beta ones but with some unique ones

like laughing

[tiny verge]

again he's saying the HN2 and HN3 Guests aren't the same

[wise bridge]

your using pronouns for an it

[tiny verge]

like he isn't in HN3

[tiny verge]

...most people call him a him you can't get mad at people for that...

[marsh idol]

okay? hes not even confirmed to be a humanoid crow man

[wise bridge]

don’t even know if the HN3 guest could outrun it

[marsh idol]

why would i call him an it..

it’s not even confirmed he would even go by those pronouns.

[wise bridge]

not a human because of simply how old it is

[marsh idol]

okay?????

[tiny verge]

like we've collectively called him by he/him pronouns since Hello Guest

[marsh idol]

are you saying because i call him a HE/HIM

hes not human

you DO know creatures can have genders

[marsh idol]

exactly

this

i really dont know what hes even on about

and it doesn’t even matter

like why would he even go by IT

is he pennywise???

[vagrant igloo]

hi my pronouns are it/thing

[tiny verge]

silly Tech, humans are just simply behind!
crows already went woke ages ago!!!

by the way this isn't me taking a jab at pronouns go by whatever, but don't force a headcanon onto a character and make us have to believe it

[marsh idol]

that thing is awfully chatty today

[vagrant igloo]

what

[wise bridge]

yeah but not likely the guest would have one even if nikita calls it a he but only like a few people know if it’s human or not

[tiny verge]

Nikita created him

what he says has more weight

also like the Guest literally can talk..??? he's talked before in the books..???

[marsh idol]

what

[tiny verge]

why wouldn't he be able to like... y'know
have something he'd wanna go by

[marsh idol]

what are you even saying here

[vagrant igloo]

nikita
made the guest
therefore
nikita decides if he is male or not

[tiny verge]

I'm sure the Guest WOULD want to be referred to something because he loves praise

forcing him to be called an it if it's not what he would even want would go against his character

[vagrant igloo]

this is why the guest hates people so much

[tiny verge]

nobody ain't showed him respect

[marsh idol]

maybe he has a reason to steal

nobody ever gives him things

[tiny verge]

well he is a crow, he probably does like shiny

[marsh idol]

it’s always about where the guest is, or who the guest is but never HOW is the guest

[wise bridge]

and whatever the guest is can be kidnapped easily

[tiny verge]

what the Guest doing

[wise bridge]

the guest loves stealing valuables tho

[tiny verge]

put down that decaying crow

[wise bridge]

no, also this was really annoying to figure out

[tiny verge]

let him live his final decade in peace

[marsh idol]

seeing him closer becsuse i never played the prototype myself

i really modeled him incorrectly

[tiny verge]

huh

[marsh idol]

i thought he had long gloves on both hands

[marsh idol]

i modeled the guest from HN3

[tiny verge]

nope one is a watch

[tiny verge]

that's pretty cool

I still suck at modeling

[wise bridge]

it’s a giant thing i even managed to bug it by dropping it in lit areas so it did nothing

[tiny verge]

this is about the extent I can go

[marsh idol]

yo…

are you in peterson’s basement

[vagrant igloo]

but he still walks around in the light

he just doesn't attack

[wise bridge]

no he don’t

[vagrant igloo]

i've seen him walk into town before

[wise bridge]

no it’s my grandpas, the computer is just there

[tiny verge]

I think if you like

place him down

it could bug him out sometimes

[vagrant igloo]

prob

[wise bridge]

every time i carry the guest in jacob manages to be there each time and he just runs

[tiny verge]

I do know some weird finicky stuff can happen with the AIs

[vagrant igloo]

cuz i was taking a walk with him and we went into town

he was fine

[tiny verge]

you're the Guest and you're taking a stroll down Raven Brooks
and some weird disgusting outsider walks up to you and follows you

[wise bridge]

isn’t that like supposed to be a pathfinding bug, where it is supposed to avoid lit areas?

[vagrant igloo]

uhm
no
he jsut won't attack in the light

[wise bridge]

and then proceeds to throw a bunch of stuff at you

[tiny verge]

if I was the Guest I'd throw shit back

I'd also break whatever window he'd have

[wise bridge]

if the military did their job in hello neighbor by dealing with the guest due to the actual threat it poses because it simply cannot age and can cause so much chaos raven brooks would be a good place to actually live in

[tiny verge]

the military would just hire the Guest as a soldier

same with Peterson

[wise bridge]

proceeds to steal all of the valuables

[tiny verge]

they're both busted too op pls nerf

[tiny verge]

of the enemy base

[wise bridge]

the guest will downright steal the tank shells because those are valuable

[tiny verge]

probably would

he is greedy

no wonder he's fat

[vagrant igloo]

then blow up the base

[wise bridge]

the guest in hello guest genuinely makes me want to mod hello guest to get a gun and shoot it

[vagrant igloo]

i wanna do that now

[wise bridge]

tank shells are activated by a specific pin unless it is hit by a explosive

[wise bridge]

except the gun will be V450,000

[tiny verge]

I'm glad the Peterguest story was retconned cause I would too

[vagrant igloo]

i didn't say he used those

[wise bridge]

peter guest didn’t even align with the lore since he gets kidnapped by the guest

[tiny verge]

if he's a part of the military, he'll have stuff to use to blow the enemy base up

[tiny verge]

Alpha 1 was the last time Peterguest was a thing

Alpha 1.5 is when they retconned it

and decided it wasn't a good idea

and was a dumb cliche

[wise bridge]

also due to the guest not aging it’s probably unable to get killed by guns

[tiny verge]

people already figured it out anyways

it wasn't a surprise

like I saw people going "yeah, the name of this texture confirms it" and it was the Alpha texture of the Guest literally named "T_Neighbor_D"

[vagrant igloo]

do we think that alpha 1.5 was canon or not
like your opinions
cuz there is a missing poster of the alpha 1.5 kids in hn2 fg

[tiny verge]

so in Alpha 1.5, Peterson got locked up

[tiny verge]

uncanon, but if it were canon it wouldn't change much

cause apparently A1 and A1.5 are both in Quentin's head

[vagrant igloo]

what about the poster then

[tiny verge]

either recontextualizing old stuff

or just referencing old stuff like with Beatrix

[vagrant igloo]

prob

[tiny verge]

it would however mean that it A1.5 IS canon, Quentin started dreaming of the Guest being the one behind the missing kids

actually wait, depending on how long he was out after the Guest jumped out of nowhere

or even after Peterson hit his face in with a shovel

that's probably when he could've been dreaming of A1.5

even though I don't think it's intended, that would actually be cool af

[west falcon]

in the files of hn3 theses are called T_lore_01 and 02 so they have some kind of lore attached to them

[dreamy sluice]

ofc they have lore attached

those are posters for the town by the golden apple

there are some family photos of the npcs