lore-discussion

[tiny verge]

what happened to Lucy Yi..?
where are the Peterson kids..?
what's with the ravens..?
what's with the storms..?

what's Peterson's involvement in everything..?

the lore of Hello Neighbor

is meant to be the folklore of Raven Brooks

that's why every media is in different perspectives, memories, stories

[wary flame]

It comes off as more confusing then anything

id rather a story I can comprehend

[tiny verge]

Hello Neighbor 3 doesn't even call their endings as endings, they're "stories" which only reconfirms this folklore thing

[glacial whale]

Yea I just wish we knew a proper timeline of events

Keep it less messy

[wary flame]

ye

its way too messy

[tiny verge]

I honestly disagree

not alot of people use this folklore type of story telling

[wary flame]

im trying to do a rewrite of the franchise and its too overwhelming

[wary flame]

because its too confusing and messy

which is what hello neighbor’s story is

[tiny verge]

FNaF..? it's just confusing because their mysteries and puzzles

SUCK

[wary flame]

okay theres no reason for that stray

both stories suck

[glacial whale]

I used to try to follow it with the books and games but then there was just too many things not connecting with different games and the show

[tiny verge]

again I disagree

mostly because I actually do not like Modern FNaF stories

at all

even after thinking that I know what the general ideas of them are

[glacial whale]

I’m not agianst the folklore thing I just hate that every time they pump out something new it’s just the same story told different for the 20th time

[tiny verge]

the Hello Neighbor lore, while confusing if you try and take every detail into account, is still good

[tiny verge]

now that

[wary flame]

yes its good but its too confusing for people to realise that

[tiny verge]

that is understandable

[wary flame]

This

[tiny verge]

I would like to actually learn more about the Guest now

and the cult

[wary flame]

like I like the idea of it being different every time but like

its tiring

[tiny verge]

we've already had Act 1 and 2 in Hello Neighbor 1, the books, Search & Rescue, and now the show

Hello Neighbor 2 atleast does introduce the cult

but it doesn't touch up on them

the show atleast does that as well but

only in Season 2 and eventually 3

Season 1 is still mostly Act 1 and 2

[wary flame]

they would’ve been seen in the cancelled patch 10

right

[tiny verge]

yeah we would've seen them

[wary flame]

ok wow I hate tinybuild

[tiny verge]

but right now all we have is the Mayor's hidden room

[glacial whale]

It’s new for people that didn’t read the books but otherwise it’s just nothing much added. Was cool to see in game though

[tiny verge]

tinyBuild does nothing in regards to making the games

[wary flame]

one time we get to see the mysterious cult more and they don’t release it

[tiny verge]

tbh I didn't think the books did the cult thing first

I actually thought the books expanded on them after the gam

[glacial whale]

Aaron trilogy

[tiny verge]

oh

yeah I haven't read the Aaron trilogy yet

[glacial whale]

Like 4-6

[tiny verge]

one thing I'm really hoping

that I really hope never happens

is that they for whatever reason reveal that the Guest isn't just

a cryptid bird man

that doesn't need to be supernatural to exist either considering the whole lore is told like folklore

and only adds to that folklore vibe honestly

I hate the Aaron Guest, Nicky Guest, and Franklin Guest theories

[wary flame]

is the guest supernatural or not I keep getting people saying yes or no

[tiny verge]

no

the Guest is not supernatural

[wary flame]

all of those theories suck

[tiny verge]

nothing supernatural actually happnes

[wary flame]

the guest should be its own entity

[wary flame]

what the hell how are they gonna explain that

[glacial whale]

While the games and novel makes it come off as supernatural it’s said it’s not

[tiny verge]

they only look like that they happen cause the people who are enemies of the Guest think he's supernatural

actually no

not even just enemies

everyone thinks he's supernatural

but what's likely happening is he's using the Mayak to control the weather

[wary flame]

wasn’t he originally the neighbor in hello guest

[tiny verge]

make people THINK he's supernatural

[tiny verge]

that was retconned in HN2 Alpha 1.5

as seen by the fact the Guest has Peterson locked up

[wary flame]

oh ok kind of glad that got scrapped then

[tiny verge]

same tbh

I MUCH prefer the final version of the Guest

[wary flame]

the guest being the neighbor would’ve been just so lame

[glacial whale]

Would have been very predictable

[tiny verge]

that he is just a crow man

[wary flame]

Okay this makes sense

[tiny verge]

in prototype 3, we even see that when the festival is completed

[wary flame]

Honestly I never really got what the mayak weather station was I just see people talking about it all the time and I get really confused

[tiny verge]

the storm clears up

[glacial whale]

Purple weather thing

[tiny verge]

(plus in Prototype 2 it makes the Forest Dweller, who is infact the Guest, not attack anymore)

but when Peterson destroys the statue

the storm comes back

so yeah the Guest is probably just using the Mayak

honestly to me it sounds more like there's a bit of Sci-fi to the story than there is supernatural

which, y'know what I will be honest

[wary flame]

wait so who is the guest then or more exactly what is it

like are there any plausible theories

[tiny verge]

I kinda do prefer supernatural elements over Sci-fi

[wary flame]

or does everyone genuinely have no idea

[tiny verge]

I hope

I hope

really really hope

that he's just a crow cryptid

I don't want the Guest to be anyone

[glacial whale]

Theres the horrible Nicky theories

[wary flame]

okay no that sucks don’t mention that

I never believed in that

nor the aaron one

[tiny verge]

I don't want him to be ANYONE but just how he is

Franklin theory I also hate cause uh

supernatural stuff cannot happen

so what we see in the show

[wary flame]

franklin died didnt he

he literally got thrown into a bottomless chasm dude is dead

[tiny verge]

is a Sci-fi blast ###king obliterating him into smithereens

[glacial whale]

Unless they just lie about it

[tiny verge]

he got obliterated by a Kamehameha wanna-be blast he's dead

dead dead

got the Perfect Cell treatment

all of his cells obliterated he's dead

[wary flame]

Wait so why did those kids let Peterson live then

if they were gonna kill them both I presume

[tiny verge]

the blast

it distracted them

[wary flame]

oh okay fair enough

[tiny verge]

they didn't think that was gonna happen

[wary flame]

wait why did those kids even want to kill them like why

[tiny verge]

one theory I saw and really like is that their parents were in the cult

and they were being trained into joining

so to be tested, they were given the task of finding a sacrifice

[glacial whale]

They felt like being the main villains

[tiny verge]

who ended up being Franklin

[wary flame]

Oh yeah I remember seeing this theory that the dark secret every neighbor in hn2 had was that they were all forest protectors or like

[tiny verge]

another theory I like is that the Mayak needed a sacrifice to be activated

[wary flame]

it was something like that

except Peterson obviously

[tiny verge]

I don't think everyone is in the cult

but the parents of the current cult members yeah

those guys 100% were in the cult

if this theory is true that is

[glacial whale]

I don’t think Otto is just he works for them

[tiny verge]

I imagine it's a pretty big cult too just

not the entire town

[wary flame]

wait so who were the kids that were there

The mayor right

it’s obvious he’s one

regardless

[glacial whale]

The police guy

[tiny verge]

the one in the witch costume is the baker

[glacial whale]

Baker

[wary flame]

which one

[tiny verge]

Leslie specifically

[wary flame]

leslie or

okay

[tiny verge]

so the cut HN2 one that does appear in the show

he kinda looks like Leslie anyways

[wary flame]

wait so was every kid there trained to join the cult like can we assume they’re in it

[glacial whale]

Principle I think

[tiny verge]

I don't think the other officer is apart of the cult he's just there in HN2

[glacial whale]

Is he even in the show?

[tiny verge]

probably because Leslie dies

[wary flame]

??

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure the cult member that Peterson kills

[wary flame]

Did I miss something

[tiny verge]

at the end of Season 2

is Leslie

[wary flame]

hold on I do not remember that

when did he do that

[tiny verge]

director's cut

my friend

they censored it in the season compilation version

even though the teacher's death is uncensored

[wary flame]

I know I watched that

[tiny verge]

Peterson even tells Trinity not to worry, they're not listening anymore

[wary flame]

I do not remember that

[glacial whale]

Was that him though?

[tiny verge]

and there's blood coming out of the beak mask

I'm most certain he is cause HN2 doesn't have Leslie at all

[glacial whale]

Except the camera screen

[wary flame]

Doesn’t he appear in the camera screen

Yes

[glacial whale]

In the beginning

[tiny verge]

retcon

[wary flame]

could this be seen as a pre recorded thing

that quentin set up

[tiny verge]

he doesn't actually appear though

[wary flame]

yeah probably

[tiny verge]

retcons can still happen let's not pretend there aren't any

the Thing is a major retcon actually cause originally he didn't exist at all

[glacial whale]

I think it shows him leaving?

[wary flame]

Yeah wasn’t he just fear as a “physical” being

[tiny verge]

Nicky didn't hallucinate him, he wasn't some supernatural thing that haunted people

[wary flame]

Like

not physical but like

okay I don’t know how to word it

[tiny verge]

he was just a metaphor that only we the player could see

that the characters could not

actually yeah the Thing is a REALLY BAD retcon if we're supposed to believe there's no supernatural elements

cause as we know him now thanks to more recent books and the show, he does actually target people

but Nicky's the only one that can see him in the show

then there's a contradiction

I kinda wish they did just say "yeah there's supernatural stuff" cause the Sci-fi workarounds are kinda cool

I kinda would just prefer it being supernatural

[wary flame]

thats why I get so confused with the lore because theyll just change stuff when they feel like it

its so confusing

[tiny verge]

it's way more folklore

[tiny verge]

yes retcons can happen

it's just alot of the ones that seem like retcons can be explained as "oh they remembered wrong"

but the Thing literally can't be remembered at all when Nikita wrote him

so uh...that 100% is a retcon

[wary flame]

I just really don’t like the idea of having to expect things to be entirely different each time you look at a different piece of hello neighbor media and just go “yeah its just a different perspective” like

I like the idea

but it comes off as really confusing at times when you have to do this for everything

[tiny verge]

I get that

and it's kinda lead to a thing where...you need the books and the show to know the lore

sure whatever the show is free but the books aren't

and the games are the most expensive to buy so they should just have the full lore

[wary flame]

thats why I havent read them to be honest

yeah

and like we said they change it up every time

[tiny verge]

that's why I haven't read the Aaron trilogy

[wary flame]

it just comes off as extremely confusing and just

why

[tiny verge]

or the third trilogy

[wary flame]

like what even happens to quentin in the current lore

is he dead

Same with beatrix and the man in the hat

[tiny verge]

I like the perspectives but they could atleast have like... ONE piece of media that's not expensive

that's got the true events

[glacial whale]

Yea since it’s before 1-3 theres was stuff that just didn’t add up

[tiny verge]

in full order

[wary flame]

I hope that one day they release something like a big lore document doing a big breakdown of what actually happened one day

No different perspectives

[tiny verge]

either he escaped since the Guest freed him
or the cult caught him during his escape attempt

[wary flame]

just the whole story in order

[tiny verge]

I hope Quentin did escape

and just booked it the hell out of there

[wary flame]

yeah id do the same

[tiny verge]

out of Raven Brooks

[wary flame]

Im not sticking around in that place

[tiny verge]

just "bye bye ###k your cursed town NEVER COMING HERE AGAIN"

[wary flame]

I mean yeah you could try to expose the cult but good luck on surviving an assassination attempt by them in the coming days

[tiny verge]

in my joke version of the lore I'm probably gonna just make him expose the Mayor atleast

[wary flame]

yeah honestly he should’ve tried that bare minimum

[tiny verge]

and the Mayor gets attacked by the normal people of the town...only for them to turn the Mayor normal and no longer desire the cult

[wary flame]

his whole investigation leads to nothing if not

[glacial whale]

I would start running on all fours and eating paper just to hope they would leave me be

[wary flame]

true

[tiny verge]

this joke only works if you understand it though and I'm not revealing it

[wary flame]

quentin probably moved far away if he did escape

[glacial whale]

Just to fall over

[tiny verge]

he never lived there actually

he was actually assigned there because the previous journalist before him went missing

probably died

by the cult

[wary flame]

Wait yeah I didnt mean that

I mean just get away from the place

sorry

[tiny verge]

but uh he'd never come back he'd probably quit that investigation and demand a new one

that's far away from Raven Brooks

[wary flame]

he’s getting got on sight if he goes back

what do we think happened to beatrix and man in the hat though I know they’re assumed dead right

well yeah the man in the hat probably is actually dead

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure they are

MiTH was in a coffin

[glacial whale]

I mourn man in hat daily

[tiny verge]

and was probably that previous journalist too

[wary flame]

what about beatrix she’s just missing right

[tiny verge]

if I had to guess atleast

missing

[wary flame]

simming!

[tiny verge]

but being missing in Hello Neighbor means you're either 50/50 on being dead or alive

[wary flame]

but who would’ve kidnapped her or just

where is she

[tiny verge]

uhh Idk

[wary flame]

So we can assume hello guest alpha 1 isn’t canon

[tiny verge]

maybe there were more journalists and she was one of them..?

also yeah Hello Guest is uncanon

[wary flame]

so she wasn’t kidnapped by the guest in the extended ending

that was canned too

[tiny verge]

another idea

is that Beatrix's missing poster is just a reference to that canned ending

MiTH's coffin also could be a reference considering they did eventually remove the coffin

[sly garnet]

so how would the hello neighbor universe go like chronological order

[tiny verge]

oohhh

uh

hm

let me go retrieve the image

@sly garnet from what I know this one's pretty accurate

[wary flame]

what’s both lines mean

The red and blue

[tiny verge]

pretty sure the red lines mean interchangeable

and the gray lines means where they lead I think

so Hello Neighbor 2 leads into Patch 9 since Patch 9 was meant to be Act 2

[wary flame]

of hn2

?

[tiny verge]

oh and the red lines from Act 1 to Patch 9, and the red lines from Hello Neighbor 2 to 3 I think are some kind of time jumps

[tiny verge]

yeag

[wary flame]

hn2 was supposed to have multiple acts?

or just 1

2

I mean

[tiny verge]

so red arrows are interchangeable
gray arrows..???
gray lines are where they lead
and red lines are some kind of time jump

I'm not sure what the red lines are fully

since that would mean Act 1 has a time jump to HN2

[wary flame]

Okay the more I look at that image the more confused I get

[tiny verge]

OH wait wait

no no I remember

[wicked heath]

Originally, just one

[tiny verge]

the red lines betweem Hello Neighbor 1 and Patch 9 is when the show takes place

meanwhile between Hello Neighbor 2 Act 1 and Hello Neighbor 3 is when Raven Brooks Disasters and Reset day take place

[tiny verge]

originally

but then an Act 2 was being made

and then scrapped

so as of now there's only one act

[wary flame]

Ahh ok

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure Reset Day happens after Hello Neighbor Diaries

and Raven Brooks Disasters is before Act 3 when Nicky moves back in

[wicked heath]

That depends. We dont know when Nicky moves back in

[tiny verge]

2017

[wicked heath]

Just so you know, the years are all messed up

[tiny verge]

Hello Neighbor Act 3 still takes place in 2017

pretty sure it was even stated somewhere before

I don't remember where

[wicked heath]

Do we have the confirmation of it or are we still on that milk before devs planned the rest of the series

[wary flame]

okay yeah I think im gonna have to cancel that hello neighbor rewrite because I can’t even get a grip on the actual original story itself

[wicked heath]

I can help you

If you have dms open

[tiny verge]

nothing contradicts 2017

and I'm pretty sure it's been reiterated before

again I don't remember where

so you'll have to do that research

[wary flame]

I mean if you want but as im hearing all of this I have no idea now on what to do with it its so confusing

[tiny verge]

cause I'm not gonna considering nothing retcons 2017

[wary flame]

And I want to streamline it for it but like

[wicked heath]

I just think its weird everything is so calm in act3 and then boom, guest, peterson, storm

[wary flame]

I don’t know that seems like a bad idea

while being a good one at the same time

[tiny verge]

it's not really calm outside of Nicky's perspective

hell, Raven Brooks Disaster which I'm pretty sure is 2014

Peterson tried to flood the town

he tried to flood the entire town

all of it

[wicked heath]

And you’re telling me between this and reset day, everything is sunshine and rainbows in RB?

[tiny verge]

so uh no it's not calm in Act 3, it's just calm where Nicky's at

[wicked heath]

Rb is a small town

[tiny verge]

no, I actually think everything is still going on

but Nicky's not related to any of it anymore

he doesn't wish to be either

and you know what when he probably did realize all of this stuff never stopped, he probably got his bags and left once he was more sustainable elsewhere

[wary flame]

in the hello neighbor movie I hope that after act 3 and during the hn3 portion of it, we see all the main characters come back to fight the forest protectors one last time and mr peterson goes “neighbor’s assemble”

[wicked heath]

The original story was a pretty good one. It shifted a lot, but it was pretty solid

[tiny verge]

I don't think the current story is bad either

but it does make the original story harder to grasp

[wicked heath]

Neither

[wary flame]

Yeah it’s just so confusing

[wicked heath]

Thankfully, Nikita spoke pretty openly in his interviews

[wary flame]

Which sucks because if people genuinely got to see how good the story was clearly everyone would actually like the story of this franchise

[tiny verge]

he was pretty clear that Act 3

is not a dream

it doesn't exist

and is just a metaphor

same with the Thing not being a thing that exists either

[wicked heath]

Whether it was on the old streams or with that ytber i forgot the name of

[tiny verge]

he's also explained wth was with the big neighbor fight

the big neighbor is Nicky's trauma of the Peterson that he's fighting

and the house Peterson carries is called the burden house, by Nikita himself

[wary flame]

Okay well that scraps all my ideas for act 3 in the rewrite

[wicked heath]

He also explained what the original alphas were supposed to be about: coma and nicky being the neigjbor’s kid

[wary flame]

Originally I was gonna have it so it would be way more surreal and extremely strange stuff happens

[tiny verge]

yeah, Nicky does not ever go through Act 3

[wicked heath]

I dont see why you cant insert it

[tiny verge]

it's just...a metaphor

[wicked heath]

Otherwise, act3 wouldnt even be a game

[tiny verge]

pretty sure it's a metaphor of Nicky going through self therapy

[wary flame]

like it would have the hn3 artstyle as for the rewrite I had it so the entire game has the hn2 one (it’s not an actual game but as a supposed real one)

[wicked heath]

You can have that surreal act3 still be a metaphor. Heck, do your own thing if you want

[tiny verge]

hell honestly I kinda wanna say Diaries is what Nicky is actually going through

also yeah you can just do the metaphor as well

[wicked heath]

Actually why dont you do just that

[tiny verge]

or just make it...well a retelling

[wary flame]

Well I don’t really think I want to stray from the actual story too much I just want to streamline it more to make it comprehensible and fix a lot of the gameplay problems if this were a game

[tiny verge]

retellings can change things slightly

[wary flame]

And honestly I can’t be bothered to just write my own story because at that point it’s not even hello neighbor anymore

[tiny verge]

I don't think it harms anything that Nicky has a nightmare while he's doing self therapy

it's just a new detail

[wary flame]

Yeah that’s what I always thought happened

in the nightmare he has it’s also a sort of self therapy session

[tiny verge]

like as long as you still include that he's recollecting his memories during Hello Neighbor Nicky's Diaries it'd be fine

[wary flame]

yeah

I think I wouldn’t have diaries be its own gameplay portion same with hide and seek maybe we could have what happened to maya be an actual mystery

[tiny verge]

since either way Act 3 doesn't change anything whether it's a dream or just a metaphor

[wary flame]

I’m still in the very beginning area of thinking up the story

[tiny verge]

Diaries can just be cutscenes that happen

[wary flame]

yeah

like a long epilogue

[tiny verge]

so maybe Nicky wakes up as he's opening the Act 3 house up

[wary flame]

for some reason I made hello guest Alpha 1 act 1 and the scrapped Alpha 2 act 2 which honestly

Yeah im probably changing that

[tiny verge]

or maybe just have Nicky finding memories in the Act 3 house, and waking up from them

[wary flame]

I don’t know why I did that

I have no idea on what im doing and where im placing anything

[wary flame]

Yeah actually that works even better

you can find special outlined objects maybe that when you interact with them show memories

[tiny verge]

and then it can show a fading transition to a cutscene of him going back to sleep and going back to the nightmare

[wary flame]

ye

[tiny verge]

I think this gives you alot of room to work with too

[wary flame]

I want act 3 to feel insanely surreal like the floors from floor 2 and upwards shifting each time you reload the game

the golden apple tree growing almost instantly as you look away

[tiny verge]

quick question, where does Hello Neighbor even take place

[wary flame]

Nicky being scared of fall damage but as he falls nothing happens

[tiny verge]

like what country

[wary flame]

wayron croobs of course

[dusty trench]

missouri

[wary flame]

actually ngl no clue

[tiny verge]

country, as the first book mentions that Peterson traveled the country making amusement parks

and had a history of ignoring safety features

[tiny verge]

like actually..?

[dusty trench]

yes

thats where raven brooks is located

[tiny verge]

ok so HN takes place in the US..?

[dusty trench]

yes

[tiny verge]

alright that answers my questions

Peterson is a former American Businessman

[wary flame]

okay but yeah I’ve got no idea on how I even should start this rewrite like I said I made hello guest acts 1 and 2 for some reason

[tiny verge]

now he's a coo coo crazy guy

[dusty trench]

i have a question. Are you aksing about the lore or a fan rewrite?

[wary flame]

im doing one of my own and I asked people here on what they wanted for it

so im kind of detailing what im doing with it here now I suppose so in this server at times

[tiny verge]

be fine to tweak things here and there

[wary flame]

when I make progress in it

so probably not for a while then

[tiny verge]

I'm personally making a joke version of the lore that does have supernatural stuff

and uh

there's two Guests

one is

[wary flame]

I’ve made it so act 1 starts with a cutscene of franklin dying like the animated series

[tiny verge]

not happy about the other

[wary flame]

then it cuts to the hello guest screen where you choose quentin or beatrix

[dusty trench]

oh, so its a joke

[wary flame]

I have an idea for how this could effect the story and gameplay but honestly I think it’s kind of dumb so maybe I’ll just force you play as beatrix in this or just

Scrap this entirely

[dusty trench]

Wait are you both working on this or is it separate. Im confused….

[wary flame]

Uhh no

they’re seperate

im doing my own one where I try and streamline it and fix any problems with it

[tiny verge]

separate

I just happen to do something slightly similar

but also way different

[wary flame]

the only reason I have hello guest in it is because I just want to explain what happens to beatrix really

or Quentin

whoever you chose to play as

[dusty trench]

k

[tiny verge]

like I'm gonna give my own characterizations to all the characters
and Quentin's gonna have two hate meters

[dusty trench]

and what are you trying to do

[dusty trench]

k

[tiny verge]

me and my aunt were making jokes about the Hello Neighbor lore when I was over there getting her into the series

so uh

essentially

I'm trying to let loose the most inside of all inside jokes

[wary flame]

I have this idea that maybe the person you don’t choose becomes the reporter and playable character for the hn2 section but honestly that sounds dumb saying that out loud

[dusty trench]

k

[wary flame]

I don’t know why im trying to write this while trying to rewrite 3 other unrelated pieces of media at the same time ive been doing this for the past 2 months or so and its really straining my mind

especially this one just figuring out the actual original lore is straining enough

[tiny verge]

I don't blame you

I can agree with that actually, that's pretty stressful

[wary flame]

Im honestly getting to a point where I might just cancel this hello neighbor rewrite

it’s way too over complicated

like I can rewrite bad stories I’ve rewritten 1/10 stories but I can’t really rewrite one that I can’t even understand

[tiny verge]

I still don't think the lore is bad

you just need to compare and contrast

[wary flame]

ye definitely not it’s just

so confusing

and I don’t like that

[tiny verge]

and what's different you'll have to make your own conclusion

[dusty trench]

also to add onto this, one of his owrks was in germany. Called the fernweh welt.

[tiny verge]

what's similar or consistent you keep

[wary flame]

just want to streamline it a bit, explain some of the unexplained stuff (that should’ve been explained)

do gameplay tweaks

essentially just that

[glacial whale]

Just know the gist of it really

Like neighbor has family but then doesn’t and kid breaks into house

[wary flame]

I do i really think i do but the moment i try and think of what comes next it gets too overwhelming and it hurts my head to think about it

theres way too much

[glacial whale]

What were you trying to rewrite?

[wary flame]

don’t even understand most of it like who is lucy yi or whatever what’s a mayak

why am I doing this

[wary flame]

the whole hello neighbor story as this one concise story in this (would be) singular game

[glacial whale]

So like a fan game?

[tiny verge]

I just boil it down to "the Peterson family, Petersons fall apart, Nicky gets his nose too deep" and "there's a cult, Quentin investigates Peterson, Quentin gets his nose too deep"

[wary flame]

No

a story rewrite but im detailing gameplay tweaks too

[wary flame]

I wish it was actually that simple

but if I do try and streamline it and make it make sense like

most of it is gonna be so insanely boring to play

yes because I want to play search and rescue but not in vr and without the trippy segments

[glacial whale]

By the time you rewrite it they’ll add another layer of stuff to the story

[wary flame]

yeah probably

at this rate im just giving up on it

I tried thats all ill say

[glacial whale]

It’s like trying to make a HN map on Minecraft just for them to throw out a bunch of new stuff to the story that just messes with what you’ve already done. At that point I just go in a different direction or your own take on it

[wary flame]

this makes me sad because I can see a genuinely good story in this franchise but

it changing things every single game ruins it entirely for me

I can’t consume this piece of media if they’re just going to change everything for every game every book whatever it is

it gets to a point where it’s not interesting but mind numbing

[glacial whale]

My least favourite is that engineer game. I really dislike the whole sandbox mode or how that is connected to the story. I see it brought up as part of it and that just makes no sense why they’d do that

[tiny verge]

wait it's connected..?

[glacial whale]

I don’t know

[tiny verge]

you know what

no

I'm ignoring that

it's not connected in my eyes

[glacial whale]

I just see people connect it

[tiny verge]

I refuse to

I reject it

[glacial whale]

Like “oh the kids get trapped in sandbox”

[tiny verge]

those people can be crazy all they want

but not me

[glacial whale]

It’s like trying to connect brawl mode or hook wars in sn as something important to lore

[wary flame]

it’s just a different perspective

[tiny verge]

it's Hello Engineer

[wary flame]

in the neighbor’s eyes he got into a large mech battle

okay jokes aside how does

he even build that giant mech

[tiny verge]

I get he's an engineer

[wary flame]

I thought he was a theme park builder not iron man

[tiny verge]

but it's still 1996

[wary flame]

dudes from the future

[tiny verge]

the most he's gonna do is make his house shoddy and dangerous

which while that is crazy, it's still realistically something that could happen

[glacial whale]

I try to pretend it doesn’t exist

[tiny verge]

same

I even told my aunt that I hoped to never have to talk about it to her

[glacial whale]

It’s okay to like the game but I just despise it

[tiny verge]

see it could also be really fun

I just...don't get why it needed to be Hello Neighbor

[glacial whale]

Yea doesn’t fit the whole neighbor games theme

[wary flame]

money

[glacial whale]

Even if it is a spin off

[tiny verge]

no no that I get

[wary flame]

then they tried to cram it into the actual lore and it’s like

what

what are we doing

[tiny verge]

but my question is why did they randomly decide "oh you know that game we're gonna put on the Google Stadia..? yeah that engineering sandbox game... make that Hello Neighbor"

cause realistically they could do that to ANY of their smaller games

[wary flame]

boosts sales

barely because nobody used stadia

[tiny verge]

I misworded my question

still why that game in specific

like it's just so damn random

I'd rather take a Hello Neighbor platformer

[glacial whale]

I would rather we had hello guest as a spin off than that.

[tiny verge]

Super Peterson Bros

[glacial whale]

Even if it was just hn2

[tiny verge]

yeah Hello Guest would've been a cool spinoff

like even after it transformed into Hello Neighbor 2

take the concept of Hello Guest and make it it's own game anyways

a smaller scale game

[glacial whale]

I prefer that amusement park over the engineer one

[tiny verge]

doesn't even need to be canon either

it could be it's own story that just uses the Guest

or even just finish the Hello Guest lore and have it as an uncanon spinoff

I'd prefer that over Hello Engineer

[glacial whale]

I would prefer a game where you stare at trees in raven brooks than HE but that’s just me

Think of the lore potential

[wary flame]

Yeah

Maybe like a what if scenario

[glacial whale]

Isn’t that kinda hn3 with the different outcomes?

[tiny verge]

no..?

HN3 is all about every decision you make changing everything

[glacial whale]

It’s kinda what if

[tiny verge]

what if as in "what if Peterson was the Guest"

"what if Quentin was a security guard"

basically, "what if Hello Guest was completed"

not as in the endings being different based on how you play the game

[glacial whale]

I’m not wording something right

[tiny verge]

I am honestly interested in a completed Hello Guest honestly

[wary flame]

I like how in prototype 2 theres multiple endings

Like just walking out on foot and dying by the storm anyway

waiting it out and dying

escaping on your own or helping the other people escape with you

[glacial whale]

I was thinking more of your doing one thing and think what if I did this instead and that would be some other play through. I’m not sure what that does for story though.

[tiny verge]

I wish Prototype 3 kept the bus endings

and everytime you leave someone behind it'll show a cutscene of them staring at you leaving

but if you get everyone... then it'll be Peterson alone

[wary flame]

Becoming friends with everyone to then leave them all behind anyway

[wise bridge]

who is the guest we see in the hello neighbor 3 prototype like who is it??

[glacial whale]

Probably guest

[wise bridge]

be serious

[cedar remnant]

what do you think happened to the neighbor after act 2?

[glacial whale]

I’m just guesting

[chrome maple]

thats just an easter egg

[marsh idol]

we don’t know, it’s still the prototype

it’s either the actual guest, or someone who’s either manipulated or wants to be the new guest

but if the original guest was a real person, i find it very hard hes STILL ALIVE up to 2028

and unlike the forest protectors, the guest can open and close his beak

while the one in HN3 is just always open

[hearty wedge]

But do you think Nicky will be in HN3? Imagine an adult Nicky Roth, after resolving his internal conflicts, finally having a confrontation with Mr. Peterson. That would be the absolute PEAK!

[marsh idol]

low chance

[glacial whale]

You know raven brooks in reset day isn’t too far off from being like North Korea. Both try to wall in citizens and have a fake phone with off brand versions of apps

[marsh idol]

i believe the guest isn't human but an actual humanoid crow. not supernatural but a crow or raven who's literally in the form of a human. he makes unnatural human sounds, sounds like a crow and no signs of a human voice, his beak opens and closes unnaturally while crow masks like the forest protectors wear stay closed because it's a mask, and the crow mask that the guest wears in HN3 stays open and is clearly a mask, and he moves extremely unnaturally compared to a human. he even shows some superhuman strength and speed at times compared to the average human, and weird body proportions. this is why i believe the guest is a humanoid crow. he's been around before the original raven society, even peterson himself and still he's still here to this day with peterson. by now he should be an old man like Theo. i believe the guest we see in HN3 is actually a human who wanted to become the next guest, instead of being the actual guest himself.

this may be inaccurate still

the guest can speak still, yet i find it hard to believe the guest being around for so long has not aged and still has a lot of agility

he could of simply learned human speech

but chooses to make crow noises

[dreamy sluice]

🤔 i think we know the answer to monty's question

imagine having to watch neighbortube

[tiny verge]

y'know what if it's not really the Guest then I'd be fine with HN3 Guest not being a crow man
just as long as HN2 Guest is a crow man

[tiny verge]

I like this take on the Guest honestly

[wise bridge]

nicky prob isn’t making an appearance ever again

[tiny verge]

if he ever comes back

I want him to be not important

and an easter egg

[nimble jetty]

“Nicky I am no longer kidnapping children and I have invested in bitcoin and created my own website”

[nimble jetty]

Aaron will probably return again tho

[earnest birch]

Buttt sooooo the neighbor is the dad of the kid if i've understand everything ?

The kid who got kidnap on the 2

[nimble jetty]

Imagine Aaron helping his dad catch us since Theo is so old now

[nimble jetty]

Aaron is the Neighbor’s son yeah

He kidnapped him to keep him safe

[earnest birch]

Hu why spamming

[earnest birch]

Okk

[wise bridge]

aaron’s been missing for every game

[nimble jetty]

What do you mean

You mean like the Neighbor has had him kidnapped for every main game

Because yeah that’s true but the Neighbor seemed to have a change of heart at the end of HN2

[earnest birch]

No he only dont wanna die

[wise bridge]

do you think he’s going to release his son since the ending of hide and seek has an impact

[earnest birch]

When the crow was fall on the neighbor he was scared

But i dont understand the story of the 3 anyway sooo...

[wise bridge]

hello neighbor 3 takes place like 30 years after the 1st or 2nd game

[nimble jetty]

32

[wise bridge]

same thing

[earnest birch]

So why the neighbor is alive? Why hé is the only one alive? Do the new neighbor is her son? Bahdhdjdjnf

[wise bridge]

he’s in his 80s

obv he can survive

[earnest birch]

I hate lore of game... Too hard 🤣

[nimble jetty]

He is 85 in HN3

[earnest birch]

We gonna have a story like the two and the one or more different you think?

[marsh idol]

Nicky Roth is not Theodore Masters Peterson’s son, rather Aaron Peterson, the kid we saw in Hide and Seek.

If you are referring to the screams in the basement and Peterson taking in a child into his house, yes that is his son.

[wicked heath]

The kid we play as in HN1 is not related to the neighbor

[marsh idol]

that would quickly change once he loses Aaron again

[tiny verge]

I think it's a mix of both hatred and concern for Aaron

cause he blames Aaron for most of his problems

but I think once Aaron is the last family he has left, as a whole, he realizes too later that he cares about Aaron

so I think it's a more nuanced reason

[tiny verge]

he's 85 in HN3

[marsh idol]

https://youtu.be/LGVJR6sH3DU?si=Ydw8x03ZfZJYBMu-

shown here, he no longer makes those crow noises

so i’m pretty sure what we’re hearing here is someone manipulated into becoming the new guest or went insane and stuff

[marsh idol]

agree

[vagrant igloo]

does this technically make the events of hn2a1.5 canon?

[vagrant igloo]

i have never heard a human make such noises

[marsh idol]

maybe you haven’t heard an insane human before

[willow depot]

yeah except (un)fortunately Raven Brooks gets flooded for that sin

speaking of that I really hate how crammed the end of the timeline has become now

Nicky moves in, the town gets into a timeloop resolution of which we still don't have/know, then supposedly there's a catastrophic storm that turns the town into a dump

I'd say Ted's house burns down at some point but I guess apparently not anymore???

[wanton roost]

I think so

I might be wrong here

but 3 kids missing 1 found gerda

3 kids missing one found nicky

[tiny verge]

it's probably just reference based off the fact that the Guest in A1.5 didn't have alot of writing but was clearly shown destroying evidence at the Peterson house

• Peterson would have to be locked up in an attic
  plus A1.5 is apparently all in Quentin's head anyways

[tiny verge]

Nicky's house is gone so I'm just gonna assume after Nicky leaves again Peterson tries rebuilding his Nicky's house

only to give up cause it's too far gone

[willow depot]

I really don't think that Theodore took apart Nicky's ENTIRE HOUSE to use as material for his

[tiny verge]

fair argument, however I like it when Peterson acts petty

so I'm continuing to believe my headcanon

[willow depot]

that's unearthly levels of petty

[tiny verge]

exactly

[willow depot]

let's hope they'll at least add his house back in then

[tiny verge]

mnhhhhh nah I like Pettyson more

[dusty trench]

Alpha 1.5 isnt canon. But, you are rigjt about one of the kids being Gerda. And some ideas and elememts from the older story concepts are taken, like those kids, the storm symbolism, and many more imagery. Only thing is, its used in a different eay to fit the canon.

S&R and the AS are good examples for this.

[wanton roost]

i think the newspaper is canon itself

the missing paper

[vagrant igloo]

wouldn't the wrong victim be Quentin

patch 9 is canon

all full releases are

[marsh idol]

just remember the ritual isnt an actual “ritual”

just a cover

[neat phoenix]

The Neighbor Anatomic Universe (Fan-Made)
Current Phase: #2 and Early #3

PHASE #1
Hello Neighbor (1)
Hide and Seek
Nicky’s Diaries
Missing Pieces
Waking Nightmare
Buried Secrets
Hello Neighbor: The Movie (WIP)

(Early/Related Phase #1)
Animations/Prototypes/Alphas/Betas of HN1
Pilot Episode
The Modkit (House Designer ; The Subway ; Dr Hello ; Fredbear Runaway?)
Trailers/Developer Logs

PHASE #2
Secret Neighbor
Hello Engineer
Search and Rescue
Hello Neighbor 2
Hello Neighbor 2 DLC’s
Hello Neighbor 2 Patch 9
Season 1
Season 2
Season 3 (WIP)
Bad Blood
Grave Mistakes
Puzzle Master
(Early/Related Phase #2)
Hello Guest
Alphas/Betas of HN2
Trailers/Developer Logs
Raven Brooks Banner Website

PHASE #3 (WIP)
Reset Day
Untitled Piper Book #2
Untitled Piper Book #3
Hello Neighbor 3 (The FULL Release)
(Early/Related Phase 3)
RBO
Prototypes of HN3
Devlogs of HN3
Trailers

[orchid kayak]

It isnt?

[marsh idol]

nope

[orchid kayak]

and what is it?

[marsh idol]

it’s what they call a ritual, but it involves no magic

it’s just them using the “luck” devices to cause storms and make the town think it’s bad luck casting onto the town

[orchid kayak]

Oh okay

thanks

and what are they using?

what luck devices?

[west garnet]

What if

Fast fredbear is Part of the hn lore

And is a cosmic deity made by nicky's fear of animatronics

Making the fast fredbear mod a nightmare b4 the main events

This would let the shadow and stuff be his trauma with Mr peterson

And explain why act 3 had so many mannequins

[orchid kayak]

JHAJAAJHAJAJHK

[dreamy sluice]

Not all rituals involve magic, btw

ritual definition

[orchid kayak]

oh I see

okay thank you guys

🙂

[soft valley]

hello, i am assuming that (act 1 takes place in 1996 and act 2 takes place in 1996 and then the police came in, in hello neighbor 2 and they arrested mr peterson for violating the law and they took the extended house parts from act 2 and they followed the blueprints of the house and reconstructed some walls of the house and removed the tall fences to the original short fences and then act 3 takes place in 2015 where nicky is grown but got evicted from his apartment so he moves to raven brooks again to his childhood home with the neighbor's house burnt and destroyed and then nicky takes a nap and has a dream but wakes up from that dream and puts his stuff inside his home now and then in 2018 he remembers his trauma and overthinks about it and then in 2019 he became a main of a cult about ravens called the guest that goes in the abandoned golden apple park and then in 2028 raven brooks is ghosted but not fully because there is some residents left and then nicky is still there and the house is abandoned still from 2015 of the beginning of act 3 but residents didn't know that mr peterson was here still in raven brooks of 2028) but this is just my theory because the guest looks similar in hello neighbor 3 like nicky because of the clothes and the watch but people say that (the tall fences were just hallucinations by nicky from trauma and despair at a young age in act 2 of the original game) and this theory is just for the act 1 house and nicky

[tiny verge]

the Guest existed back in 1996

Nicky's watch is a different model than the Guest's

Nicky's sleeves are apart of his white shirt underneath the beige button up shirt

and the arm that the watches are on is different

also in complete honesty as someone who had to look at the color of red that shirt is for more time than I'd like to admit, the red on Nicky's sleeves (and the collar of the white shirt) is a different shade than the red on the Guest's sweater sleeve

[earnest birch]

😵‍💫ouch m'y head

[tiny verge]

wanna know what also is red..? the Guest's sleeves in Hello Neighbor 2

the only time it's not is in Patch 9, where it's orange
but that can be chalked down to it being a temporary texture used specifically for Halloween

and the fact it still remains can be chalked down to the lack of updates HN2 had onward

but the fact that every other time we see the HN2 design of the Guest with red sleeves I feel is enough to prove that this similarity

is sheer coincident

the shades of red are different + the Guest always had red sleeves

not to mention, the sweater design the Guest has is also a leftover from when the Guest originally was meant to be Peterson
HN2 never removes this design even after Peterguest was retconned

so it makes perfect sense why he has a sweater in Hello Neighbor 3 as well

[wise bridge]

the guest in hello neighbor is 99% likely it looks like this rather than any person since people think it’s a person when no human could do what the guest can do (turning into a literal bird)

[marsh idol]

#lore-discussion message

yes

[marsh idol]

the guest

doesn't actually turn into a bird

or has any supernatural powers

[wise bridge]

we see the guest literally appear where a raven was in search in rescue

[marsh idol]

the guest existed before Theo was born, or when he was a kid

[wise bridge]

pretty much gonna assume that’s weird stuff

[marsh idol]

again, that sequence in search and rescue was a dream and an illusion

it's all symbolic.

[wise bridge]

but the guest is probably not even a human

[marsh idol]

he doesn't actually turn into a bird and fly away

it's not an actual alternate reality

it's just symbolic

[wise bridge]

i thought search in rescue had its events actually be a full thing (i don’t have it)

[marsh idol]

what do you mean

[wise bridge]

i generally thought the events in search and rescue fully happened

[marsh idol]

they did, in a symbolic way

The Guest did make a deal with Aaron

[wise bridge]

[marsh idol]

the Neighbor was really experiencing trauma and guilt, and the Guest tormenting him

etc

[wise bridge]

plus him getting kidnapped

[tiny verge]

I don't think the Guest can actually shapeshift

I just think the Guest is a crow cryptid that Raven Brooks gets haunted by

[wise bridge]

still isn’t human

[tiny verge]

again I think he is a crow cryptid

since that's more folklore than supernatural

I wasn't implying he was a human, I actually hate the idea of the Guest being a human

and if HN3 actually for whatever reveals that the Guest is a human I'm probably not gonna like the story much

[wise bridge]

there are these people too that look dumber than albert einstein when he was 7

[tiny verge]

Nicky is at most 6 foot

about the same height as Peterson

sometimes he feels a little taller because of his bad ingame idle animation

but despite that height

he is not so extremely tall that sweater sleeves wouldn't fit his arms anymore

plus I've gone into why all the similarities fall flat and aren't actually similarities already

[wise bridge]

we kinda see that in game though

[tiny verge]

no, no

[wise bridge]

a single arm though

[tiny verge]

I've studied Nicky's design

that sleeve still fits, it's the same length as the other

it's rolled up so Nicky has quicker access to his

broken...watch

[wise bridge]

is that watch actually broken

[tiny verge]

see everything about Nicky's design is done to make him look like a bum

[tiny verge]

yeah his watch is broken

but I think the design philosophy is that you're supposed to think of a broke bum, but wants to look professional in desperation of getting a job

[marsh idol]

i hate aaron and nick = guest theory

so out of sense

[wise bridge]

he does get evicted in the first 2 minutes of act 3

[tiny verge]

think of how in Breaking Bad, Jesse in (Season 2..?) tries to get a job and has a full on business suit for the job application
...but he looks like a bum still...

[wise bridge]

pretty sure aaron leaves raven brooks anyways

[marsh idol]

timeline doesn't even fit, the guest existed before Aaron was even born

which is also why i believe in humanoid crow man

the guest doesn't age or gets slower throughout the years

and does not act like a human in any way

[tiny verge]

I think he ages but it's not in a human way

cause he's not human

[marsh idol]

which i also believe HN3 guest is not the actual guest

[wise bridge]

this barely humanoid but this probably isn’t like what IT looks like

[wise bridge]

if it isn’t human i refer to it as an it

[tiny verge]

I think he's a crow man

a literal crow man

[marsh idol]

it has human characteristics like the arm and nikita's statement

but i think that's because the crow man is adapting to human nature

we see he doesn't only make crow noises

he can literally speak english

[wise bridge]

it’s not a human creature so kinda would make sense referring to it as an it

[tiny verge]

like just a straight forward, simple, unironic bipedal crow with human proportions
as if he's some kind of big foot cryptid myth

[marsh idol]

and he has things human wouldn't even have

superhuman speed and strength, unnatural proportions, makes crow noises, his beak actually opens and closes and twitches

[wise bridge]

🎭 this emoji pretty much the guest

[tiny verge]

that's what I think Nicky's design philosophy has been ever since Elena designed him
and in the final concept art of his design, Nicky has a bandaid on his nose (also his textures have clear stains on his outfit, and dirty shoes)

Nicky's whole design philosophy is that he's a bum trying to hide that he's a bum, but you can just smeeelll him from a mile away

[wise bridge]

he is kinda broke too, evicted from his tiny apartment

[tiny verge]

that's why Nicky Guest is dumb

[vagrant igloo]

guesty westy

[tiny verge]

cause the Guest's design philosophy is pretty inconsistent

if there are similarities, it's not intentional

the Guest doesn't have the same kind of design philosphy outside of "oh yeah he looks like a mythological creature haunting Raven Brooks"

[wise bridge]

the guests design changed every game it appeared in

[tiny verge]

that's his only consistency even back during the Peterguest storyline

[vagrant igloo]

no

[tiny verge]

uhhh kinda

[vagrant igloo]

it changed only twice
once for patch 9
once for hn3

[tiny verge]

it's moreso just that his model kept getting tweaked

[wise bridge]

have you not paid attention to the models in the 3 games it appears in

[tiny verge]

I'm correcting you

in Hello Guest he had that one texture which was really simple, flat shaded

[vagrant igloo]

before patch 9 his model did not change what so ever

[wise bridge]

and in hello neighbor 3 that’s a literal whatever i’ll call it

[marsh idol]

the only real change was all the games the guest appeared before
vs
it's SUPPOSED appearance in HN3.
the rest was just more details and a cloak

and the beak is more covered

[tiny verge]

then the Alphas updated his texture
then the Betas shrunk his beak a bit, and redid his textures a bit as well as teaking the boots and gloves, and making him overall darker and dirtier

then Patch 9 got rid of his "meshok" (bag) and gave him a cloak

and changed the arm sleeve colors

[vagrant igloo]

aside from patch 9 and hn3
his overall design has been the same in every game

[tiny verge]

but I think that was moreso a Halloween thing

also there's...a version of the model where it's the Beta textures but the gloves don't have that spiked design

but all of that is moreso design tweaks

[vagrant igloo]

yea

[tiny verge]

it's the same as Peterson in HN1 to HN2

paler but buffer

and alot of it is also artstyle changes, as the Hello Guest textures for the Guest is different from the Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha textures

which are different from the Beta and Patch 9 textures

[tiny verge]

so to this I say

kinda

but they're all design tweaks and artstyle changes

nothing as drastic as Hello Neighbor 3

like of course Search and Rescue isn't using the same texture as Patch 9 HN2 that version of the texture didn't even exist yet

[dusty trench]

Now this is weird in a way because, while we know The Raven Man and The Festival was a thing when Mr. Peterson was a kid. But, we still dont know who The Guest is or what it is. And Alex even said that The Guest origin isn’t a flashback in AS season 3. And that can either mean like a character or characters saying The Guest origin but we dont know. And another reason why we dont know alot yet is because of another comment a tinybuild worker made basically saying that when we find out who The Guest is, everyone will be like ohh, HOW!?!? Like that. And even with Alex implying we seen The Guest before in the AS already but not fully. And even with Alex implying that we will see The Guest form since he said that you will see exactly how The Guest will come to be. Which is insane since it isnt a flashback, bit then again that can mean multiple things. We just dont have the context for everything regarding this subject because they dont want to spoil everything. Idk but why I brong this up is to say that, we will probably be confused about when The Guest is revealed, but we will slowly understand more by anylizing and probably in HN3 aswell.

[torn path]

Is there any particular reason why was the King of Hell himself interested in the Pre Alpha man and wanted to take his soul? Because there are reasons to think that the Neighbour was involved in the car accident the protagonist died in; why would Lucifer of all people be interested in some mortal rando?

[willow depot]

You're saying that as if the devil wouldn't want to take any soul

[willow depot]

people often assume that player_shadow/player_body_old (aka Pre-Alpha Man) could be some evil bad man but that's kinda just confirmation bias, being Christian I can tell you that nobody is safe and we're all vulnerable to sin which is probably kinda what the neighbor was doing

living in a big mansion full of richies and sin imagery (666 on his foot, the "Fat Man" statue of gluttony that would be on the third floor of Alpha 1, golden calf mug, golden apples, Faust, etc) while the player was stuck in a humble, thin two story house

[dreamy sluice]

#justiceforpmans

scammed by the devil into living in the worst house ever

only two rooms

[willow depot]

eventually the plan would be to solve a bunch of sin-related puzzles (e.g. making the statue fall and shatter) and unlocking the basement door which would be his way out back to good old mortal coil

[dreamy sluice]

it's disheartening

[willow depot]

hi arch!!!!!!!!

[dreamy sluice]

Hi, Pear

[willow depot]

does the little entrance space even count as a room

[dreamy sluice]

Wasn't the fat man statue related to 'gluttony' rather than pride?

unless it's secretly a statue of himself

in which case it'd be both

[willow depot]

oh right my bad

good catch

I just assumed it was like dedicated to him or something

like could be two in one

that it'd be a sin of pride and also one of gluttony since you fill the cart that brings it down with objects

lemme go fix it

[dreamy sluice]

the fat man

trust

[willow depot]

lowkey actually where'd you get that

[dreamy sluice]

hng tumblr post from may 19th 2017

i'll dm you the link trust

[torn path]

Most of the stuff in the house references sin in general

People were used to say they are clues for the Neighbour being a creep, but in reality HE is the one to torture the souls of creeps

[torn path]

Like, I think he would, but considering how he’s also partially based on Bulgakov's version of Satan, it would also make sense if he tortured bad men specifically

OG Lucifer though, yes, would deceive and torment absolutely any mortal soul

Mephistopheles too though

[willow depot]

still, the protagonist doesn't really strike as a bad man too much

at the very least certainly nothing irredeemable since in the complete version of the Faust plot he'd most definitely escape the neighbor's clutches

[torn path]

Well duh

In the canonical christianity God doesn’t really care about the stuff Lucicer does to stop Him

If God wants a soul to be in Heaven, He would succeed

Just remembered, HN references canon christianity as well

14:14

(Likely Isiah, as 14:9-14:14 was the first reference to Lucifer in the Bible)

[willow depot]

probably

[gusty flint]

I liked that storyline

[marsh idol]

imo, in the pre-alpha/dev prototype era, Peterson wasn’t “some random guy.” he was written as a symbolic Faust-type figure, someone whose choices directly caused another person’s death (the car crash) and who was morally responsible, not just involved. the idea was that the protagonist didn’t die by pure accident; Ted's actions (recklessness, greed, tampering, or indirect sabotage) put events in motion. that’s why Lucifer was interested, not because the Neighbor was special, but because he represented a perfect bargain target, guilt-ridden, powerful, obsessive, and desperate.

In that version of the story, Hell doesn’t chase nobodies; it targets people who:
caused death without consequence.
refuse accountability.
try to “fix” sin through control rather than repentance.

That’s classic Faust/Judas imagery, which the devs openly referenced early on.

[dreamy sluice]

you're already wrong because in that story, the neighbor IS the devil 💔

and it wasn're pre-alpha/dev prototype, that story lasted from the teaser trailer/prototype all the way up to when they made the new playermodel, which is sometime before alpha 2

some people think that alpha 2's trailers have traces of the old plot leftover, but i think that's false

mainly because alpha 2's trailers feature nicky and use the finalized alpha 2 house mesh

the alpha 2 house was originally much smaller than it ended up being

looking closer to the act 1 house, in fact

because early on when modelling it, they stretched out the house to accomodate for door size changes

brought on by nicky's idle animation stretching thing

because there's such a large size difference when stretching the alpha 2 house for nicky's sake, the house would've had to be re-furnished without that plotline in mind either way

anything you could get from those trailers' and alpha 2's level design for the devil plot shouldn't be taken into account, in my eyes

[marsh idol]

yea ok i don’t focus on this variation of the story

[tiny verge]

TNC's choice

it most likely isn't a statue of himself

[dreamy sluice]

it is a the fat man!

🫃

[tiny verge]

I do kinda like TNC's take cause I love it when Peterson is a narcissist

they also have these gold statues of himself with a giant "#1" on them, model could be better but I really like that idea too

[torn path]

Not to mention his name wasn’t even Peterson until the books

Btw Kolesnikov still doesn’t refer to the Neighbour as Theodore Peterson funny enough

[dreamy sluice]

he's done it a few times

not that many, though

[vagrant igloo]

he refers to him as Peterson
never Theodore tho

[tiny verge]

I get why someone may not want to call him Peterson when talking about the Faust storyline

but I think Theodore Masters Peterson as a name is fancy and ballin' as hell

[marsh idol]

it’s badass right

[tiny verge]

plus it kinda just like

fits any version of him I feel

[wise bridge]

or how it appears to other people

(1 person only sees it)

[tiny verge]

a few things I gotta say

firstly, when Nikita wrote the Thing, he didn't exist at all
he was just a metaphorical artistic representation of fear

which is why Peterson also has this thing

secondly, the first game wasn't very clear on this

so other writers saw the first game and came up with their own explanation of the Thing

so as of now, the Thing is somehow some kind of entity haunting Raven Brooks, but unlike the Guest

the Thing is like...something that is really weird to think about

there's not meant to be anything supernatural so...what even is the Thing..? is it something that the crazy people of the town all hallucinate..?

[wise bridge]

in the show nicky says he sees something but his friend says she doesn’t see anything, pretty big point

[tiny verge]

and in one of the books, it's stated that multiple people have seen this thing

it's a complicated retcon

[wise bridge]

as in a different form, but specifically in act 3 that thing has a weird appearance especially during the finale

[marsh idol]

did it visualize it as a shadowy figure?

[tiny verge]

I don't remember exactly but I'm just saying the guy isn't stupid for calling the "hallucination" a person

when neither versions of the Thing is a straightforward hallucination

cause Nikita lore the Thing doesn't exist at all

[marsh idol]

if it’s not a shadowy figure it can be another form of “their” thing

[tiny verge]

and in the book lore which the show is based on first and forward people have seen the Thing

neither is a straightforward hallucination

I think calling someone stupid over that is wrong

cause they're not wrong for saying the Thing isn't a hallucination

[marsh idol]

who called who stupid

[tiny verge]

Clown deleted his message

either that

or staff did since it included him swearing someone out

[tiny verge]

I don't know what that is actually

lil' bro really tried the undermine tactic

[wary flame]

if the guest isnt supernatural and its not a pre existing character who is it then

is it a forest protector

[wise bridge]

it probably isn’t even human

image is basically something of what it might look like

[potent harness]

the guest is the guest

[wraith topaz]

im the heighbors brother and i told him to do the stuff so thats the lore

hello i ur nebhor

[wary flame]

how is this guy not supernatural

[wise bridge]

idk but i haven’t played the games that fully include it aside from HN3 and hello guest

[torn path]

Currently replaying Beta 3. Oh boy, ts sucks more than I remember, but the father/son plot was the thing that made it really deep thematically and psychologically. I have NO idea why would they scrap it only a few months before the release and replace it with what I’d describe as a noticeably inferior story. Kolesnikov’s original vision was always something greater than what we got for release

[wise bridge]

what is in the bag the guest has in hello guest

like i’m gonna guess some random valuables since it has a golden apple as far as i know

[marsh idol]

idk you tell us

[amber sonnet]

a funny thing is that the father son storyline leaks into the full game with act 3 having only 3 chairs on the dinner table, nicky highly resembling the neighbour, the act 3 house meant to have been a larger version of players childhood home which in this case wouldve been act 1 house and more

[tiny verge]

cryptids are not inherently supernatural

it's more folklore, or in other words
mythological

the whole lore is about myths and rumors, that's why this can pass as it not being supernatural

[tiny verge]

tbh I kinda prefer the final story more

[amber sonnet]

family storyline talked about generational trauma and its effects while final story talked about being an industry plant to make more games (at least for me)

[tiny verge]

terrible look on that in full honesty

if it was an industry plant story then oh boy

we'd be in modern FNaF territory

Garten of Ban Ban

[amber sonnet]

i dont know why else they would change the story like after october build

which is a few months before game released

[tiny verge]

well the only one who would have changed that is tinyBuild for profit

but tinyBuild has zero involvement

[amber sonnet]

thats what i thought happened

[tiny verge]

so basically, what I'm saying

none of the HN1 changes were for profit or to be a soulless cashgrab

[amber sonnet]

tinybuild assumed family storyline would make less money so they couldve asked to change the story to add more oppirtunities for sequls and such

[tiny verge]

because the only one who would do that

is tinyBuild

and all they do is just publish

not develop

[amber sonnet]

pvz and ea

all ill say

if youre saying publishers dont have control

thats an example of them having control

[tiny verge]

EA has like, way more money

way more power

and also the contracts are not the same

tinyBuild has zero evidence of being involved with the development

meanwhile we have NIkita talking about what he wrote for the final game

the Thing, the giant Neighbor, the entirety of Act 3

[amber sonnet]

ok yea im wrong there

[tiny verge]

it's clear Nikita is the one who changed the story

he's the one who changed the gameplay loop, the artstyle, all of that

not tinyBuild

so when I see people say it was changed to be more corporate, I get really upset about that

you CAN argue the HN2 story was more corporate, or the stuff after

but as it stands the story of Hello Neighbor 1 is actually really deep if you can look past it's horrible presentation

it's a shame you need to read the Nicky trilogy books and play Hide & Seek to understand it but that wasn't a result of corporate greed

[tiny verge]

oh yeah to throw this out there too, I'm pretty sure he is also the one behind the 3 act thing

[amber sonnet]

in the hn1 remake act 3 should be like the animated series act 3 house

cause it would line up with act 3 house originally being players childhood home but way bigger with stuff added on top

[tiny verge]

I think that's not a good idea

the story isn't that anymore

we shouldn't force the franchise back to a scrapped story

it's why I also never want to see the Faust return or Peterguest to return

they're scrapped, the franchise moved on from them

and built off of what they came up with instead

[amber sonnet]

i just feel like act 3 house would be nicer like that

since it actually connects or smth

instead of being random dream house

[tiny verge]

the show only does it because they wanted to reference the Act 3 house, but can't actually use the Act 3 house

because it's still technically supposed to be Act 2

[amber sonnet]

that replaces the literal burnt foundation of act 1’s house

[tiny verge]

Act 3 isn't a dream

it's artistic representation of self therapy

[amber sonnet]

i was simplifying it

[tiny verge]

Nikita had stated this