lore-discussion

[glacial whale]

ai slop has it’s own channel

[tiny verge]

oldart is not realistic

oldart is quite cartoony

but most fangames get it wrong because the foliage sucks and was placeholders

[versed yacht]

Considering he lived down there for months I'd assume he was probably fed

[willow depot]

Definitely, according to the Kickstarter art

Wish they leaned more into that

[tiny verge]

they did for the most part

most of the realistic stuff was stock foliage that they used as placeholders

if you look at the textures though and some of the models they were actually quite stylish

nicely cel shaded textures, some curviness to the models

one of which, the radiator, confusing so many people into thinking it was newart when newart uses a different model entirely

[willow depot]

Yuh

[vagrant igloo]

no?

[marsh idol]

why do you think that

[versed yacht]

Hello Guest isn't canon if that's what you mean

[fathom furnace]

It is i think

[versed yacht]

Considering it's just a very early iteration of HN2 it's pretty much confirmed not to be

[fathom furnace]

Ohh

Alright

[silver vine]

yo Dizzy

I hear ppl saying that HN3 points to Aaron being the guest

is it so?

[versed yacht]

Hard to say

We know for certain that the beak has something under it

Whether it's Aaron or someone else is up in the air

[silver vine]

how?

so, its a costume?

[ripe berry]

most likely

[versed yacht]

The beak seems to be made of metal based on the texture, and one of the endings has him taking off the beak

[silver vine]

damn, I have to play the game more ig

[wanton roost]

if its aaron why is the body tall and it has skin shown not like the other

well him being tall is normal ig since hes prob 45 but i dont think he can be that tall

[versed yacht]

He had just a littttttle bit of a growth spurt

[wanton roost]

juuust a littlebit indeed

[tiny verge]

it's uncanon
but it WAS at one point going to be

so it still has stuff that IS lore relevant like the Mayak

[willow depot]

HG Mith with his "find mayak" motivation could be placed into the current story and very little would change

[wary flame]

wait people thought this was him like taking off a mask?

I just thought it was the guest doing something insanely grotesque to itself to scare the person you play as or something like that

[elder olive]

Anyone think pre alpha man is just Nicky

[wary flame]

Probably

[elder olive]

The alpha’s aren’t cannon no?

[brisk hearth]

No

[elder olive]

I heard Nicky is the guest in hn3 which is cap considering his character arc is already finished

[tiny verge]

Hello Guest went off of the Peterguest storyline

which isn't canon anymore

[tiny verge]

well yes he is meant to be

but the design when Pre-Alpha man was being modeled wasn't finished

[willow depot]

Which MITH wouldn't really be affected by

[tiny verge]

man in the hat is canonically dead

same with Beatrix

[elder olive]

Glad alpha 1 isn’t canon because that would mean Nicky got buried

[tiny verge]

most of what we have of Pre-Alpha man is his arms

[elder olive]

His shadow

Which is the neighbors model

[tiny verge]

no that's just a modified Peterson model

I'm talking about an actual unique model

which was just his arms

[elder olive]

Oh

[tiny verge]

slapped onto Peterson

it was cut from Alpha 2 and for good really

[elder olive]

In alpha 2?

[willow depot]

He has different arm sleeves and the pre-alpha promo art has him wearing magenta striped pants and blue-white shoes

[tiny verge]

the model was terrible

[tiny verge]

Pre-Alpha man was quite literally just an early Nicky

[willow depot]

It wasn't that bad it was simply unfinished

[elder olive]

Does anyone think Nicky should return

Nicky should be referenced in hn3

[willow depot]

Probably an animation test or something

He has plenty

[tiny verge]

ever wonder why Nicky's idle is so stiff

and bulky

yeah, that old model is why

[versed yacht]

I don't think MiTH was supposed to be killed necessarily, considering we see him in one of the photos you find in Patch 9

As for Beatrix it's kinda up in the air

[willow depot]

I really doubt Nicky was even conceptualized when the faust plot protagonist existed

[tiny verge]

the old animations were made for THAT model which had extremely messed up arm proportions since they literally slapped it onto Peterson's torso

[willow depot]

Remember it was quite a while between back when they had kickstarter and pre-alpha and tinyBuild funding them and the game switching directions

[tiny verge]

and the torso was really fat and short compared to the arms

so they extended his torso in the animations

and then they made Nicky's final model

and put the rig onto him

with some modifications

but they never actually fixed the animations

so now when Nicky is idle, his arms are spread too far away from his skinny torso because it was animated for a fatter torso
and his already correct proportions got really messed up

because the animation still extends his torso

so uh yeah

the old model sucked

[willow depot]

Yeah, and seeing all the people asking for MITH in future updates and just deciding to kill him off sounds like a big jerk move

[tiny verge]

he literally had a grave in Patch 9

it's understandable to assume that MITH no longer fit the game's continuity

as the Golden Apple Amusement Park became less relevant to Hello Neighbor 2

and besides, Quentin is the investigative journalist

he isn't a security guard anymore

[versed yacht]

Well he was being repurposed story wise so it wouldn't really matter if he fit with the GAAP at that point

[tiny verge]

missed my point

I said as it became less relevant, he did too

[versed yacht]

Ohh

I read it weird

[willow depot]

His goofy ahh is resting there that AIN'T how a body lays 😭 /hj

[tiny verge]

rip dude

[versed yacht]

His role in the story definitely was less important after HG, but I still think he had some importance to the story by at least Beta

[willow depot]

I don't think he even was there in Beta unless you're referring to MJ

[versed yacht]

I meant A2 my bad

[tiny verge]

wasn't the Beta story mostly an incomplete version of the full game story..?

[versed yacht]

Yeah pretty much

I was thinking for some reason that the AI Trailer shot of him on the bench was Beta

I'm very tired

[tiny verge]

honestly I think they should've kept the Guest lurking the town at night

I know they didn't know how to fit him in the story but like

[willow depot]

Didn't they close up that grave later so you couldn't see him

[versed yacht]

Yeah

[tiny verge]

atleast keep him there until the story relevancy was decided

and then have him apart of the story

as it is now I kinda don't like that you have to actively seek out the Guest

[willow depot]

To be honest HN2 isn't really shining in the story department unless we were to talk about the tapes

Include him or not they'd probably not do much with him either way

[tiny verge]

to me it's because it literally is incomplete

but it has Quentin slowly finding out about the cult

[willow depot]

Yeah

[tiny verge]

and then getting captured by the cult

are you an AI

[tiny verge]

I wish we could've seen what happened to Quentin atleast

like I think we're gonna find out what happens to the cult

but that won't explain Quentin

I'm not gonna accept that he was sacrificed either cause we know he was meant to be set free

[willow depot]

Ngl I doubt he's dead either because he's still in the knock-out limbo as far as we're aware

Or freed by Guest to dip

[tiny verge]

but that's about all we know

[willow depot]

Him not being elaborated upon doesn't suddenly make the last cutscene hammer hit he got deadly

[tiny verge]

we don't know if his escape was actually successful

[willow depot]

That's kinda an obvious thing because why bother giving him a chance if he's dying

[tiny verge]

Idk, it's not concrete until they reveal the story

because well

nothing is canon if it's not fully released

[willow depot]

Call me the Earth's entire copium supply with how much I deny them deaths but I doubt they'd kill him off especially so unceremoniously

[tiny verge]

as far as I'm concerned, Hello Neighbor 2 Act 2 is not a fully released product
as much as I want Quentin to live I can't say it's not a 50/50 chance

I think it's very much 50/50

[willow depot]

Pretty much the entire HG cast minus Guest is Schrödinger's cat rn

[tiny verge]

honestly it sucks

MITH and Beatrix didn't get ANYTHING after Hello Guest

and Quentin got the most

but his fate is in a limbo state

well actually

the Guest got the most

he has a bunch of weird cultists worshipping him

[willow depot]

Quentin also constantly reincarnates

Case in point Gershowitz, Norman Darby, and well um, himself

[tiny verge]

oh yeah when he originally became an investigative journalist he also was hallucinating Alpha 1 and 1.5

that was all in his head

uncanon still but uh

apparently that was what that whole thing was about

[tiny verge]

also I didn't know his name changed so much

[willow depot]

It's kinda funny how we can't say ANYTHING concrete about MITH because all of his characterization is decanonized lol

[tiny verge]

honestly Quentin was the best choice though

if I had a say in things though

I'd keep Darby as his last name as a reference

[tiny verge]

true

[willow depot]

We can't even say that his "watch from afar" schtick is what he's actually doing in canon hn because like

Again it's all gone

your best shot

Is SN event but that was also tied to HG

[willow depot]

And maybe AS cameo

[willow depot]

Quentin Darby huh

What's up with Norman anyway honestly

[tiny verge]

yeah

I like to reference when I make up a last name for a character with no confirmed last name

mostly needs to run deep with the characters history

in this case, referencing an old scrapped name

[willow depot]

It's not like you can even say that he's Quentin time travelled or something, Norman had a history of working at RBB and he just got the visions of the future one day?

[tiny verge]

not sure honestly

I didn't even know a Norman existed

I just knew him as Quentin since I only started caring once I went over to my aunts and got her into Hello Neighbor

like, last summer too

so that was only a few months ago

and I wasn't around for Hello Neighbor 2 hype, only HN1

[feral pivot]

Can someone explain me this?

[tiny verge]

retcon I guess

or maybe Peterson at one point tries rebuilding but gave up

because it was too unsalvageable

Idk we'll have to see later on

[willow depot]

Nicky's house is gone but was also blue wood so the logical conclusion is that they kicked him out and crumbled his house for materials

[tiny verge]

y'know honestly, Peterson's house does have a more turquoise color than it normally did

maybe it's after Nicky left

Peterson tried using Nicky's house

but gave up

or is still working on it

[ripe berry]

Theodore tries to rebuild the house, as we know it still burns down due to HN2, but it is seen intact in HN3 and Reset Day (Reset Day coming out BEFORE HN2)

[marsh idol]

so why does this exist

[dusty trench]

brainrot ai slop community I guess

[manic dirge]

i doubt the placement of Teds house is final game

[willow depot]

Yeah that'd be fair

[ripe berry]

unbiased HN Timeline

[glacial whale]

Fact you have the SN Roblox edition in there off to the corner

[ripe berry]

yeah
even if base SN gets a clear placement or range of placements I'm keeping SN Roblox in the corner

[lethal birch]

well this seems helpful

im just confused abt some things cuz im dum

[elder olive]

Anyone wonder what happned to aaron

we should see him in hn3 i hope

[lethal birch]

uhh

that's a great question

[elder olive]

yeah so whats the answer

Matpat is going to enjoy this 👀

[lethal birch]

yea he better make a theory abt it👀

cuz i have no idea

[elder olive]

Matpat might not solve this one👀

[lethal birch]

ikr👀

[elder olive]

They should stop pinging him

Vro is retired

Or maybe👀

[lethal birch]

yea they did stop

matpat retired anyway so

[ripe berry]

and those are?

[lethal birch]

no no i got them now

thanks for the

uh

image

[silver vine]

I dont think reset day could be canon anymore

it overlaps with the HN3 timeline

[vagrant igloo]

howso

[tiny verge]

if Reset Day is all about how Raven Brooks keeps repeating

then actually it makes sense that HN3 is similar

so it'd still be canon

[ripe berry]

not really?

Reset Day is in 2021-2022

HN3 is in 2028

if anything the Aaron Trilogy and the AS are the thing with any questionable canonicity to HN3 because HN3 Prototype 3 implies the GAAP opens in 1984, when Aaron was WAY too young for his appearances at the GAAP in those media to occur

but at this point timeline contradictions are just the norm for this franchise, doesn't make something non-canon

[tiny verge]

Peterson's had multiple amusement parks across the country

as the first book of the Nicky trilogy had stated

and Aaron was present for most of them

so I imagine that date is moreso when Peterson established an engineering company

[ripe berry]

I say that because the map shows the Golden Apple Amusement Park on it and yet claims to be from 1984

when the GAAP's construction wouldn't start for another 7 years

[vagrant igloo]

nothing in hn3 is canon yet

until full release

[neat phoenix]

HN Viewing Order TIMELINE

PS: The Password for TRBBA is ||HATCHERYWINGATE||

CANON

AS WtRB S2 Peterson’s Stick Togeter
“Terrible Storm Strikes”
Grave Mistakes Prologue
The Secret of Bosco Bay
Puzzle Master Prologue
Bad Blood Prologue - Chapter 2
H&S Stage 1
Bad Blood The Rest of the Book
Grave Mistakes The Rest of the Book
Puzzle Master The Rest of the Book
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 1
Missing Pieces Prologue - Chapter 15
H&S Stage 2, 3
“Horrific Car Accident” “Perilous Chemistry Lessons” “Raven Brooks Sign Falls Again”
Missing Pieces Chapter 16 - Chapter 17
H&S Stage 4, 5
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 2 - Chapter 3
“Peterson’s Missing Children” “Final Museum Closure” “Garden Gnome Contest” “Library Cards Canceled”
AS WtRB S1 Ep 1, 2 (Director’s Cut)
Waking Nightmare
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 4
AS WtRB S1 Ep 3
HN1 Act 1 (Buried Secrets)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 5
AS WtRB S1 Ep 4, 5
“Another Kid Missing” “Missing Truth Seeker”
Hello Engineer
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide - Your Next Challenge: Become the Neighbor
Secret Neighbor (Normal ; Roblox)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 6
VR Search & Rescue
HN1 Act 2 (Search & Rescue End Credits)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 7
AS WtRB S1 Ep 6
AS WtRB S2 (Director’s Cut)
AS WtRB S3 (Director’s Cut) ???
HN2 Deluxe Edition Act 1 and DLC’s (Patch 1-8)
HN2 Deluxe Edition Act 2 (Patch 9)
The Raven Brooks Disaster
HN1 Act 1-2 (Gameplay)
HN1 Act 3
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 8
HN1 Act Finale
Nicky’s Diaries
Reset Day
HN3 (Not Done)

NON-CANON

AS WtRB Pilot (22 Minutes)
HN1 Early Versions (+ Artbook before Betas)
Hello Guest
HN2 Early Versions
RBO
HN3 Early Versions

[simple notch]

dawum

[neat phoenix]

did someone ever include the neighbor's notebook into their timeline?

[dreamy sluice]

that was like 30 years ago

[nimble jetty]

How does HN1 act 1 in buried secrets happen at a different time than act 1 in the actual game

[neat phoenix]

some say it's a nightmare, some say it's a real thing

[vagrant igloo]

no one says act 1 is a nightmare

[neat phoenix]

or its jst trauma that nicky encounters in act 3's apartment section

[vagrant igloo]

act 1 is real
act 2 is a distorted memory
act 3 is in nicky's head, aside from the apartment and Nicky moving in

[neat phoenix]

yeah I sometimes badly explain it

[neat phoenix]

I'm good at english but sometimes i jst forget words (its my 2nd launguage)

[ripe berry]

I'd like to make both a correction and two additions
first, the correction: HNHS Stage 1 should be put around the same time as the beginning of Missing Pieces because Nicky is visible through the 2nd floor window in that stage

[neat phoenix]

wasnt that an easter egg?

[ripe berry]

I'd still say it can be used for lore but I guess that's up to you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat phoenix]

Missing Pieces is in 1995 and bad Blood 1991

[ripe berry]

in terms of what I'd add
put this between HN2 Act 1 and HN2 Act 2, it may technically be unused but it still bridges the gap between the Acts of HN2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9a_zMzzgAM

[neat phoenix]

I wanted to add that but forgot what it was, thanks

[ripe berry]

and this is more of a me personally thing but I'd find a way to fit this trailer into your timeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIYWLph7-c

(since it's technically unique content like LayoutV2)

[neat phoenix]

thx

HN Viewing Order TIMELINE

PS: The Password for TRBBA is ||HATCHERYWINGATE||

CANON

AS WtRB S2 Peterson’s Stick Togeter
“Terrible Storm Strikes”
Grave Mistakes Prologue
The Secret of Bosco Bay
Puzzle Master Prologue
Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek - Launch Trailer (0:00 to 0:44)
Bad Blood Prologue - Chapter 2
H&S Stage 1
Bad Blood The Rest of the Book
Grave Mistakes The Rest of the Book
Puzzle Master The Rest of the Book
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 1
Missing Pieces Prologue - Chapter 15
Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek - Launch Trailer (0:45 to 0:54)
H&S Stage 2, 3
“Horrific Car Accident” “Perilous Chemistry Lessons” “Raven Brooks Sign Falls Again”
Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek - Launch Trailer (0:55 to 1:04)
Missing Pieces Chapter 16 - Chapter 17
H&S Stage 4, 5
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 2 - Chapter 3
Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek - Launch Trailer (The Rest of the Trailer)
“Peterson’s Missing Children” “Final Museum Closure” “Garden Gnome Contest” “Library Cards Canceled”
AS WtRB S1 Ep 1, 2 (Director’s Cut)
Waking Nightmare
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 4
AS WtRB S1 Ep 3
HN1 Act 1 (Buried Secrets)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 5
AS WtRB S1 Ep 4, 5
“Another Kid Missing” “Missing Truth Seeker”
Hello Engineer
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide - Your Next Challenge: Become the Neighbor
Secret Neighbor (Normal ; Roblox)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 6
VR Search & Rescue
HN1 Act 2 (Search & Rescue End Credits)
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 7
AS WtRB S1 Ep 6
AS WtRB S2 (Director’s Cut)
AS WtRB S3 (Director’s Cut) ???
HN2 Deluxe Edition Act 1 and DLC’s (Patch 1-8)
Layout V2 0001 3895
HN2 Deluxe Edition Act 2 (Patch 9)
The Raven Brooks Disaster
HN1 Act 1-2 (Gameplay)
HN1 Act 3
The Neighbor's Notebook: The Official Game Guide Chapter 8
HN1 Act Finale
Nicky’s Diaries
Reset Day
HN3 (Not Done)

NON-CANON

AS WtRB Pilot (22 Minutes)
HN1 Early Versions (+ Artbook before Betas)
Hello Guest
HN2 Early Versions
RBO
HN3 Early Versions

[ripe berry]

👍

[neat phoenix]

👍

[neat phoenix]

can someone get me the photo of Raven Brooks HN3 map

oh nvm

[ripe berry]

List of things we know about the explanation for how everything fits together

1. Must not involve alternate universes
2. Must involve Games, Books, and AS all being canon
3. Likely involves the Mayak Weather Station in the explanation (unless they changed things between 2020 and now)
4. Likely is an already proposed theory that not many people believed (Nikita implied that much)

[dusty trench]

Seems accurate to me based on what we have rn.

But I dont believe they changed things with MAYAK as most of that stuff stands as implied in AS wuth the finale being at Mayak and multiple references to it aswell as that Franklin teaser being hinted at as the important thing that really kicks the story, taking place at Mayak.

[dusty trench]

And I do remember Nikita saying that or implying that.

He likely couldve been talking about the outside media of the many people like alot of other streamers and youtubers not understanding the lore.

And one big thing being that the outside media of people not really into the HN lore think that the cult members in AS are The Guest, and people not Realizing the symbolism and metaphors presented, and that there isnt any suoernatural thing including The Guest.

And its even more frustrating like if you search up if The Guest is supernatural, the google says it is and sources like the HN wiki and the Fandom mainly are used as eveidence and brought uo when searching this stuff up. Maybe Nikita should just say that The Guest isnt supernatural in the series at all and that there isnt any super natural stuff in a video or future devlog. Because Idk if people are gonna be not confused anymore because of AS and HN3 but maybe. But I feel like now, Nikita ir Alex should address it in a video or devlog for HN3. We need more people to understand.

[ripe berry]

I don't think there's 0 supernatural stuff at all (time loops, Dark Dream/The Nest/"Guest World"), but the Guest itself is definitely not supernatural

we've had 3 people all say it

the problem is assigning an identity to him
because GN2+Reset Day seem to indicate that Ted is the Guest
but HN2+HNVR contradict that by explictly showing they AREN'T the same

(Alex confirmed there is only ONE Guest, so this seems to be an actual lore contradiction)

[dusty trench]

Yea I see whachu mean. But Nikita has said that there is no supernatural stuff in raven brooks.

[dusty trench]

And the thing with GN2 hinting at The Guest being Theodore isnt literally that imo. Like in GN2, Mr. Peterson is having a mental battle in his head, fighting with his problems and fears. Like we see in S&R with The Guest chasing Theo into a dead end showing all of his problems, mistakes, and his fears catching up to him. And Theodore as we see when he is convinced to stop the storm he regrets what he is doing. And we see his face have a realization for a second like a sense if his humanity again. And it looks as if he is thinking about his whole life and the kistakes he has made, and the things he committed. And when Regina said hes the Raven Man, he didnt know what she meant for a second befire realization of what she was talking about. He couldnt say anything because he is in shock and realizing the things he has done. And that him retaliating everything out of anger is just making things worse. And that him going more insane is him losing his humanity and becoming a monster, likes The Guest. And I have more to add on aswell. And gor Reset Day which I also think is really confising compared to other media. But we can still explain a lot of stuff.

[dusty trench]

Like The Guest being all weird and portrayed with alot of metaphors and ised very symbolically tells me sum. Like at the end of GN2 if you look at Pris phons, someone sends a picture of Mr. Peterson to her. And The Guest appears out the window but then disapears. And evenat the end of Reset Day Piper gets a picture went to her of Mr. Pterson from The Guest saying that hes gonna get her. But this seems to be a lot more deeper than we realize. Like partailly in GN2 this can show the fear and impact of Pris and Regina’s experience with Mr. Peterson, and The Guest is the one that presents this fear the most since they view The Guest mainly from the tale, as a manipulative, greedy, and envious character that overpowers them and represents theyre fears and problems based on theyre views and the experiences. Like the experence they had with Mr. Peterson overall. That obviously will have an impact on them and stick with them. And this shiws that they are now in fear of this, and The Guest is the one presenting this. Because he plays with peoples fears and tries to get in they’re head, like we see with Regina in her metaphorical encounter with The Guest. And why I say metaphorical is because well, she clearly knows about the tale (prolly from the outside worlds persepctive on raven brooks and them making rumors as in tge pizza guy scene they talk about raven brooks in a weird way). And they even encounter The Guest t the beginning if the book and The Guest is even seen stalking them. And Regina would obviously point tgis towards the tale so it makes sense. And even her later believing Mr. Peterson is The Guest is a reflection of Mr. Peterson himself as I mentioned before. And for Pris, she finds talks about the tale at teh store, and then she starts thinking about it and remembers seeing The Guest earlier. And we see that The Guest has been stalking them. And probably seen everything. And seen there experience with Mr. Peterson and hiw scared they were.

And the picture of Mr. Peterson getting sent to Pris and The Guest watching her shows that in her view, she is being watched by her fears. And in her view seeing The Guest outside watching her is her seeing him as taunting her with her experiences. Since in the beginning The Guest is stalking them, and even they almost run him over. And they get subtle himts and reminders of The Raven Man tale.

[dusty trench]

And for Reset Day we see this stuff too, but it gets more in depth. Like through out the book, Piper and Delia get hints about the oast of Raven Brooks snd the people in it. Like Maritza and Enzo (even tho enzo is missing). And Piper finds out a bit about The Firest Protectors, The Golden Apple, she even finds audio of Aaron and Nicky from Missing Pieces, and a picture of Nicky and the others. And she learns about Mr. Peterson. And even his work and job. And even the way she describes him is creepy, menacing, uncanny, and distibing. Like mainly the picture of him smiling. And she even gets more hints of Mr. Peterson throughout the book that you can tell scares her. And she describes Mr. Peterson as an unhinged looking person and a maniac (which is accurate). And she even learns about Mr. Petersons house and it looks old, abandoned, and rotting with boarded up windows and ladders looking like its barely being held togethor and in need of repair. The house looking part of a vancant lot that gives off a creepy, liminal vibe. With graffiti sprayed all over it. And it looks like its haunted. She describes as it being made of doors. Or that it feels like it does. And I believe she says that because she learns about him being an amusement park designer and how multiple of his rides like the golden apple have caused death. And she views him as if hes went slowly insane. And she even views him as a man driven by guilt and grief as she learns she lost his family, but doesnt know how tho or what happened to them but she does learn alot so she can have a hint on what happened (like the stuff I mentioned above). And we see the house which matches her descriptions. And the place looks empty aswell as the area around it, looks empty inside, and old and in need if repair, and looks like its being held togethor based on wood cunstruction looking ladders, and the windows boarded up. The place even looks haunted with graffiti on it saying cursed, omen, and murderer all over it.

[marsh idol]

timeloops arent really supernatural, it’s just paved in the cover of supernatural

as for the Nest, i’m pretty sure thats not

actually a whole different reality?

cant send a picture but you know

https://ibb.co/HDBrcN7X

this

and as for the guest, it’s still not justifiable of how fast he literally runs and how high he jumps for a “human”, unless he really is a humanoid crow

[dusty trench]

@ripe berry And this shows in Piper and Delias view of the house being cursed and haunted by grief, sorrow, loss, pain, regret, and sin. With her findong out about him losing his family, and the mistakes he has made with his attractions obviously sparking contaversey. And this shows how his legacy has been tarnished by these events. And the future tales and the town seeing him as a boogie man murderer, who is a cursed bad omen. And not just his name, but the Petersons as a whole. With this happening fir generations with Riger and Adele, and everyone turning theyre backs on them and seeing them as mad scientist. And even the place being decribed by vacant, empty, liminal, and looks as if its barely being held togethor and rotting. And this shows more than just the abandondement of the place. But vancant is also more than just represented with abandonded empty places and haunted looking place, but is also commanly refferred to when something is burnt down. As even when something is being burned down, its rotting. And with the boarded up windows and the construction ladders holding the place togethor to keep it from being destoyed, is like using heavy water to stop a fire from rotting the whole place down. Almost like metaphorically representing the fire that we see in the pictures of HN2 and represebted in SN brawl map and badge. And this shows that the house is being held togethor and can collapse. And even the fact that when Piper and Delia are near The Guest, they sense a heavy butning smell. Which yes references the GAP fire as Piper learns about it, but that is also related to Mr. Peterson and even with all of the other imagery with the rest day house representing the house fire makes sense. And even The Guest being portrayed as supernatural can tue in aswell.

[dusty trench]

Like with The Guest obviously haunting Piper Delia their Mom, Maritza, and Enzos kids. Its clear that she and the others view The Guest as more powerful than them and sees him as a greedy, envious, cunning, and menacing chacaracter. As The Guest kidnapped Enzo who is an imporatant person in the lives of Maritza and his own kids sonce he is a core oart of theyre lives. And later on with Piper and Delia Mom being kidnapped by The Guest, is represenative more of him taking away core things in peoples lives, and characters aswell. But then we also have the representations of Mr. Peterson through The Guest, like his mustauche, and hair. Which I believe also has more depth to it that is mataphorical. And it reminds me of how Piper views Mr. Peterson, aswell as others in town but mainly Piper and Delia. They describe him as looking creepy and like and unhinged maniac. And even learning about his work and what happened at his attraction and what happened to the park, him losing his family, and the kagcay of his name. Its would also remind them of how The Guest is haunting them in raven brooks. And even with them discovering The Forest Protectors and the cursed tale behind them and even himts of connection between the two. Her mind is where its like yes, that is The Guest stalking them. But Mr. Petersons incidents snd even the way he looks to her is creepy and menacing, uncanny, unhinged. Like The Guest. And that she sees oarts of Mr. Peterson within him. Not literally but in a way that it also reflects on Mr. Peterson aswell. Like what I said about GN2 of Mr. Peterson and others viewing him as evil, greedy, arrogant, and as a monster, like The Guest. And we see that stuff still stand in Reset Day with Mr. Petersons house, and the graffiti. Everyone viewing him as a monster, a cursed bad omen. Like The Guest, and even represenative if what we learn abiut The Guest festival and what everyone viewed The Raven Man a, before his name was cursed and tarnished.

With The Ravens Soviety becoming greedy and letting theyre curiositys get in the way of them becoming a delusional cult. And ruining the town by corporate brandong with the Gokden Apple comapny. And we see that reflected through Mr. Peterson aswell. With him taking the money and bailibg after a tragedy happened. His arrogance getting in the way of him, disregarding safety features. Being more worried about the business elements of his work and igniting safety. And even with him getting curious abiut the cukt and so built up on revenge rather than fixing up his own issues and getting iver his fears. And instesd always in his office, doing what everybody thinks is just work with business and the amusement oark. But hes mostly investigating about The Cult, the town mysteries. And everything else around. But him doing what he did with the amusement parks and crimes he commuted only led him back to to his fears. And even building up toxicity in the family, like him and his son. And having mental breakdowns alot and slapping everyone with his issues, and not thinking about others persepctive. And even nit facing his own. And him not taking care of his famiky enough which led to his fears coming back to him and the car crash happened, his daughter died. And in someway he lost his son later on after doing what he thought was protecting his son, only made things worse. Aarons mental like others, being all over the place and him wanting to pretend that what his fathers doing is the right move, but you can tell from the books HN2, and S&R that thats not the case. Mr. Peterson instead of working out his own problems and fears to have a good life and family, decided to sell his soul for the money and fame, and being so intent on getting revenge which only led to a path of destruction. Becoming a monster in many peoples eyes, further tarnishing his legacy that the Petersons already had before, and being seen like The Guest.

And deep down in a part of him that is still human, knows that.

[wicked heath]

Holy yap the chat flooding

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[dreamy sluice]

least dedicated hn fan

[marsh idol]

silence yourself at once

[marsh idol]

so another case of Theo paralleling the Guest

[deep hemlock]

guys

i have a question

when does hn 2 take place

and also where is niki roth house why is it replaced with a green house with a treehouse

[wicked heath]

After Search And Rescue

(The vr game)

[deep hemlock]

ik

[wicked heath]

Hn is all a game about perspective :)

[wicked heath]

Why do you ask the question then??

[deep hemlock]

no am saying that i know that the hn search and rescue is a vr game

[wicked heath]

Oh my bad

[deep hemlock]

no problem dude

[wicked heath]

Saved the gif before it got deteted, Browny :)

[wanton roost]

Who deleted Lol

Probably the mods

[deep hemlock]

or maybe ai

[wicked heath]

As in Advanced and constantly evolving AI?

As in Neural Network AI?

[velvet fossil]

Please respect the real people here, editing images and using them for reactions or memes is not cool without people's permission.

[deep hemlock]

probably that

[dreamy sluice]

i believe just after act 2 of hn1

so in like

1996 i think?

[nimble jetty]

The idea that everything is just the memories of the characters being recalled is supported by that when you do an ending in HN3, it says “hear another story”

So it’s like a story being recalled and told

[tiny verge]

I really like Hello Neighbor's almost folklore type of story telling

so it's cool that HN3 calls the endings "stories"

[ripe berry]

yeah
the whole "Perspectives" line of explaining the inconsistencies has two whole games supporting it right now
(HND and HN3)

[naive ravine]

does this mean we cant infer the gameplay of the games (especially HN1, HN2 and SNR) as what really happened? because even though the games take place back to back, the houses are INCREDIBLY different from one another 😭

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe berry]

I CAN tell you Act 1 really happened

Nikita confirmed that all the way back in like 2019 on some private server (so I can't direct you to the exact message link but I do have a screenshot that someone from that server posted of him saying that)

HNHS also most likely happened that way because Mya doesn't exactly live to tell the tale afterwards...

and layouts are too inconsistent to use as evidence towards anything

[naive ravine]

oh yea i've seen this before

i had a thought about Act 2. since SNR shows that Ted built a proper tall fence for his backyard, what if that's what's being translated into the gigantic fences in Act 2 🤔

[hasty kiln]

Yo lore ppl does The Guest exist in WTRB or is it just the Forest Protectors?

[silver vine]

Guest actually does exist

[hasty kiln]

im questioning it because we never see him in the show

or even hear about him

[ripe berry]

Guest DOES exist in the show. it just that the Guest has yet to become the Guest at this point in the story of the show
it has been confirmed the Guest will appear and get an origin in Season 3

[hasty kiln]

I thought the Forest Protectors warshiped the Guest

[dusty trench]

yea

[marsh idol]

they do

the guest was in the show

we just don't know what he looked like

but he was in the show

confirmed

[tribal talon]

So, does anyone know what the luck devices are even supposed to be lorewise?

What's their origin? From where do their powers come from?

[kind imp]

I think when protectors show up or something like that when u have this device u don't get cursed....so that means Peterson has that device cause of the protectors. He knows that protectors are cursing him

[pearl widget]

in hn2 alpha 1, the ending says how is your weather? is it normal ?

[silver vine]

yes

[marsh idol]

no it's nothing about being cursed

[marsh idol]

not power

The luck devices creations originally developed during the MAYAK weather station era as scientific tools designed to monitor atmospheric instability, predict storms, and map areas vulnerable to extreme weather. They were never supernatural in origin. After the collapse of oversight around MAYAK, these devices were stolen and repurposed by the Forest Protectors (Raven Society), who deliberately reframed probability and environmental risk as “luck” in order to control people through fear and belief. The devices function by detecting where lightning, wind, pressure shifts, and electrical buildup are most likely to cause accidents, and when paired with the larger weather-control infrastructure, they can subtly redirect storms, induce blackouts, trigger fires, or weaken structures, making disasters appear random or fated. The cult then presents these engineered tragedies as curses or omens, reinforcing their mythology by leaving coins or symbols behind. Over time, the technology was miniaturized into portable devices and tokens that operate like talismans symbolically, though they remain purely technological; misuse or damage can cause feedback loops that harm the user, explaining why even cult members fall victim to “bad luck.”

[unkempt sleet]

i'm pretty sure that's not true

[marsh idol]

i rechecked and yes not specifically, we know the luck devices were indeed tied to the MAYAK weather station project, possibly the engineers of MAYAK

the luck devices that we see Peterson have are the portable ones reengineered by the forest protectors

[ripe berry]

I personally think it has to do with the Crystals seen in one of the drawings of a Luck Device in the books

since weird gems/crystals also have importance in Reset Day (being how some people in RB remember the time loops)

not to mention whatever the gem thing is in the (non-canon) AS Pilot

[marsh idol]

that's the luck device

it has no "power" that actually casts luck.

[marsh idol]

this interpretation is mostly symbolic, not literal crystals with powers

i think the “crystals” shown in Luck Device drawings and hinted at in Reset Day are visual shorthand for memory, energy filtering, and perception, not magic gems; they represent components that store, refract, or stabilize information and energy in MAYAK-era technology, similar to how real sensors, prisms, or quartz oscillators work in science. in Reset Day, the reason some people vaguely “remember” resets or feel time being off isn’t because a crystal is magically rewriting time, but because their brains are exposed repeatedly to the same stress patterns, signals, and environmental interference, which the story visualizes as crystalline imagery to make the idea understandable. crystals are used in drawings because they visually communicate “this thing focuses, stores, or refracts something invisible"

the crsytals are just symbolic for the story, whilst in lore it's most likely the cultists way of making it look like the crystal can do actual magic because the crystal looks magical and it's on pair with a device that can manipulate the weather

[ripe berry]

yeah, I think so to
it's just some people have tried to argue it's one of the Gemstones from Book 7

[ripe berry]

I mainly think the crystals themselves do something to explain what's going on with the Well (the hole underneath Mayak that that big beam shot out of) in AS Season 2 and why those tunnels exist

then again one of the drawings in Peterson's book shows what looks like the inside of one of the Lucky/Unlucky Coins

[marsh idol]

i don't think the crystals do anything that powers it

it's just a design choice to make it look magical

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tiny verge]

yes they do

they're building up to the Guest

[tiny verge]

that's also the luck device

it possible that it only really controls the weather, but that EVERYONE in the town believes that it's a genuine device that brings luck

not outright confirmed but it is possible

[marsh idol]

except theo

[inland folio]

why doesnt the neighbor fight the guest

im curious

because isnt he like stronger then the guest by like 3x or something like that

[wicked heath]

No

The Guest is a lot taller and broader than him (compare their models both in hn2 and 3)

Last time him and Peterson fought, my old guy drowned

[inland folio]

so the guest is just prime elmacho

[tiny verge]

I say they're pretty close, but the Guest is still stronger

[wicked heath]

Old man neighbor would not last a second against current gooseman

In hn3

[inland folio]

maaan i thought neighbor didnt want to fight him because he was too emotional or something like that

[inland folio]

no hed just call nicky

he would throw a bucket and boom hes out of the world

stuck in the void

[glacial whale]

So Nicky has super throw and can use umbrellas to glide while Quentin has the power to fall over and can use fire extinguishers to fly.

[marsh idol]

i don't think he got the chance, in that one book even though he did fight the guest (and lost but they were under water) i don't think it was real since peterson passed out and was left there to drown

[marsh idol]

but either way the Guest even in HN2 compares to Theo's strength

shown to have strength to throw a person up high onto a car

insanely fast

and can jump insanely high

and the Guest in HN3 is way bigger then Peterson

[inland folio]

i dont mean in like

hn3

i mean like hn2 hn1

[marsh idol]

yea

[marsh idol]

this

well not in HN2

but implied to in that same form

[wicked heath]

Are we sacrificing isaac yet?

[tiny verge]

again I think Peterson would come

pretty close to the Guest

but the Guest would still be able to beat him in a fight I feel

now Peterson in his prime age..? they'd probably be equal

[charred wharf]

I'm sure one of the devs said that Guest beats everyone (??)

[tiny verge]

missed my point

the only time that the Guest and Peterson fought when Peterson was already getting old

so I'm saying that if it were HN1/2 Peterson, he'd be pretty close, but still lose against the Guest

well he's in his 50s during the 90s, yet has really insane strength

if Peterson at his prime age were to fight the Guest, I feel like it could genuinely end in a stalemate

[charred wharf]

Tbh the fact you said "They'd probably be equal" implies there could be a tie lol, that's what I thought you meant

[tiny verge]

no I think overtime Peterson would not be able to come that close

y'know, after your prime your body gets weaker the older you get

I think if 80 year old Peterson fought any version of the Guest, he'd probably be beaten relatively easily

I don't imagine he's weak at all but he's well past that time to be at his prime

[tiny verge]

kinda, but again it requires a prime-age Peterson

which he's not ever really been in prime age during the whole cult and the Guest stuff

[tribal talon]

will the thing return in hn 3? we havent seen him since hn 1

if ur confused, heres images of thing

since when he was enemies with theodore peterson?

[lethal birch]

he is ppls fear so

[tribal talon]

makes sense

i didnt know that

[eager island]

no

[wanton roost]

nah

never

why would he return hes just nickys fear

[tribal talon]

[lethal birch]

cant he be like

jacobs fear

ig things like that

[wanton roost]

why would it be Jacobs dude

he doesn't even know the basement

[kind imp]

we didnt even know jacob fully

[lethal birch]

yea so

like maybe he had a trauma too

idk though

do we even know the backstory of him

[kind imp]

no

actually after ending that crow guy in the forest in hello neighbour 2 game automatically send me to the new game (how game starts) so could be patch nine first and then story? cause at the end of the patch 9 we see that petersons wife and daughter hugging him and maybe he got interested of exploring what happened to petersons. what do u think?

[lethal birch]

i mean

im unsure

i mean theres a age difference though

in the neighbor

[kind imp]

age difference?

[lethal birch]

in hn2 neighbor looks much older

unlike the first game

[kind imp]

yes it looks much older and i think first is hide and seek then act one then act 2 + rescue squad helps nicky then patch 9 then hello neighbor 2 and then act 3 and act finnal

[lethal birch]

oh now

now it makes sense

[kind imp]

like hello neighbor 2 starts as soon as nicky escapes the petersons house and calls police

that why police showed up and peterson left the house with aaron

[lethal birch]

yea the timeline makes sense like that at least

[gusty flint]

If im remembering right

the thing is either an embodeeyment of Niki or lots of peoples fears

so it could

[marble bison]

Can someone help me if I got anything wrong while trying to figure out the lore 🥹

I can write whatever is not readable from the pictures I sent

[oblique rock]

Looks fine to me

[glacial whale]

I can’t really read cursive writing but I’m sure everyone else can. Also is that graph paper?

[marble bison]

We got the neighbour himself saying that the lore looks fine 🥹

[dreamy sluice]

It's a general representation of fear and trauma, as confirmed by Nikita

it's not exclusive to Nicky

[oblique rock]

:)

[marble bison]

Yeah it is graph paper 😔

[marble bison]

If u want I can dm you what I wrote but in discord

[glacial whale]

No worries

[oblique rock]

Looks like doctors writing but somewhat understandable

[glacial whale]

I only got to somewhere between F and L way back in school so it’s just something that I try to figure it out but some letters I go blank on.

[oblique rock]

Lol

[wanton roost]

Yes and when nicky was in the basement that started his fear and I think aaron has the same fear too

[kind imp]

i think nicky and peterson had same fears

well in the series nicky was terrefied and feared one of the room wich was in a basement so i think nicky knew that aaron was cursed? idk

or maybe it was real crowface locked there

[marsh idol]

kill?? i never played secret neighbor, i never knew we slime out the Big Peter

[marsh idol]

the notorious mart

[marsh idol]

he won’t, you may of already gotten your answer but hes seen as Nicky Roth’s fear and trauma manifestation

the Thing comes in many forms to different people as that Thing is what that certain person is dealing with, and since Nicky is gone you won’t see the Thing anymore

[tribal talon]

He can come in other ppl's fear like Mr Peterson

[eager island]

not the point of the game

hn3 focuses on something different not overcoming your fears like in hn1

[tribal talon]

Ok

[marsh idol]

hes stated not to come but this does not correlate

the thing is not sentient again, it’s just a manifestation of fear and trauma in people’s head, where it acts as if it’s haunting the person and takes different forms

[tiny verge]

it's also stated that the Thing isn't even a manifestation

he's quite literally just a metaphor for fear

that's why HN1 also shows Peterson with the Thing

[cedar remnant]

I have a crazy theory

I think the neighbor breaths air

[marsh idol]

your theory is wrong president

[nimble jetty]

Stupid lil crack theory

Pre Alpha Man is the Guest

Pre Alpha Man has a pretty similar body type to the Neighbor, just like the Guest’s original design

It would also be someone we don’t expect to be the Guest

Maybe he was Theo’s Neighbor before Nicky yet something, or someone, made him go insane

[nimble jetty]

Yeah but you know

The people that work on Hello Neighbor don’t keep their timelines straight

Nicky can see the Thing in the AS

And apparently in one of the books many of the other townsfolk say they have seen the Thing

Also in the animated series the Thing is shown to be following Nicky before he even starts hallucinating

Because how can you hallucinate something if it isn’t even appearing in front of your eyes at first

Get what I mean?

How can the Thing be following Nicky and we can see it if Nicky isn’t even seeing it yet

Yeah in the HN guide book it says “As he walks the streets, Nicky is haunted by a shadowy Thing—a supernatural beast. Nicky then takes the key to Mr. Peterson's from his car trunk, and discovers that the phone at the Neighbor's is still connected”

[tiny verge]

Pre-Alpha man was getting haunted by the devil, and he was feeling trollish so he used PA Man's neighbor's image instead of his own

and now the Guest exists because the devil trolled Peterson's previous neighbor before Nicky

[tiny verge]

the guide book is not reliable

especially considering one of the people working on the lore has directly said that Hello Neighbor has nothing supernatural

[nimble jetty]

Which is also strange because of the coins in the AS

[tiny verge]

I see the coins as some kind of calling card

which is why Leslie takes as many coins as he can from Peterson's house

that and I guess to also throw Peterson off

[nimble jetty]

In one of the scenes (the one with the house fire) doesn’t the coin’s color fade

[tiny verge]

you mean when Trinity is not conscious..?

because two house fires happen

one is where it's not real

and the other is where it's real

when she isn't conscious, the gold paint (or plating) breaks apart

when it is real and she's not in a sugar coma

I don't remember exactly but the coin was either fine

or already messed up

[nimble jetty]

The coin flip episode

Where Trinity’s parents blame her and her friends for the fire

[tiny verge]

I don't think she actually gets a coin that degraded right infront of her eyes outside of that sugar coma

no, they blame the kids for the sugar coma

[willow harbor]

not trying to bother you'll, but can you guys help me anwsering my question on the HN chat??

[nimble jetty]

At the end of Coin Flip they literally blame Trinity’s friends for their house catching on fire

“Does this fire have something to do with them?”

[tiny verge]

that's probably why I didn't know what you're talking about

still though whether or not they questioned them

I don't think the coin degrades

because again there was another point of time during Trinity's sugar coma where it DOES degrade

if she has a degraded coin in the actual house fire, then the fire itself is why the coin is degraded

[nimble jetty]

At the end of s2 ep2, Trinity picks up a coin during the house fire that slowly becomes gray

And this was when she was conscious

[tiny verge]

isn't that also the episode with the sugar coma

like I went back and checked all the episodes

[nimble jetty]

The coin wasn’t in the fire

And if it was it, why didn’t it degrade while in the fire?

[potent harness]

Correction: Abanante makes Trinity's parents think that Nicky was responsible for it

[tiny verge]

trying to see what version has the teacher's uncensored death

[nimble jetty]

Episode before

[tiny verge]

it's cheap metal

that's just chemistry

heat does alot of things

[potent harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpKUyY27Zo

[tiny verge]

alot of chemical reactions

[tiny verge]

yeah I already found it

what threw me off was the final episode being censored

Idk why it's like that

[nimble jetty]

If it was cheap metal you would have thought it would burn in the fires if it was in the fires

And even if it wasn’t in the fires, I don’t think cheap metal becomes gray like that near heat

[tiny verge]

well here's the thing

the coins aren't actually gold

pretty sure they were for the amusement park

why use real gold for that

that's really dumb and unpractical

so, most coins for that kind of stuff are really cheap and made to look gold

but they're not

[nimble jetty]

I know but if it was cheap metal I don’t think it would turn gray

Especially not after like 15 seconds

[tiny verge]

also the degraded coin quite literally does look like a chemical reaction had happened

rather than some magical supernatural force

which was already established to be impossible to happen

so, simply put, it's a chemical reaction

[nimble jetty]

I mean it didn’t really degrade

I think degrade means like, get damaged

It just turned gray

[tiny verge]

it is damaged because the gold parts can still be slightly seen

but they're dullened a bit

and the silvery color underneath is more exopsed

that is a chemical reaction

[nimble jetty]

Now rewatching it, I think the coin fell out of Trinity’s pocket

[tiny verge]

look man trying to explain this as supernatural will go nowhere

they directly said nothing supernatural happens

so there's a more natural reason as to why that coin is degraded

[nimble jetty]

Okay fine

It could also be a flawed memory

[tiny verge]

there's also the fact that the show is in Trinity's perspective

but being retold in the 2000s

when she's older

[nimble jetty]

Yeah idk

Tho stuff is bound to be weird

This is Hello Neighbor

The lore isn’t that good

Very flawed with supposed contradictions

[nimble jetty]

Also apparently in Reset Day, the townsfolk mention seeing him

I think this whole confusion with the lore started after Nikita stepped down

Causing people to make up their own ideas

Causing contradictions

Now Nikita is trying to fix the lore

[tiny verge]

I disagree tbh

it's confusing

but the actual story they tell is still quite good

I like that there's a cult

and a cryptid bird man haunting Raven Brooks

I like that Nicky had a group of friends that wanted to save him

I like how unwell and psychotic Peterson is, can't even have a normal talk with his family without making things creepy

but most of all I really like the folklore vibe that HN2 and onwards took

[tiny verge]

cause alot of folklore has cryptid-like creatures
doesn't necessarily make them supernatural either

[inland folio]

i still belive that the guest in hn3 is just a follower of the guest

so if that theory is true then i guess in hn3 we will get like a flashback scene or something thats like what happend with the guest

[tired spindle]

I wonder what happened to Nicky's parents after Nicky went missing? I assumed they moved away but idk. its a mystery ig

[gloomy temple]

Imagine if they had another kid after that hehe

[tiny verge]

they're still there

I believe atleast

[tired spindle]

But imagine being so close to your son and you don't know it :/

[tiny verge]

they wouldn't just leave their boy missing

[tired spindle]

Idk

[tiny verge]

cause they really did care about him they were just constantly busy so they could hopefully stop having to keep moving

[nimble jetty]

Tbh the whole not supernatural thing is kinda of confusing because

The Guest is human looking yet he is like 7 feet tall in HN3 and runs on all fours.

And also in the church area in HN2

You can get a secret ending where Mya and Diane are mannequins and they hug Quentin

[tiny verge]

cryptids are not inherently supernatural, and the Guest most certainly comes off as a cryptid

the mannequins are clearly robotic and programmed by Peterson for Peterson

Peterson was an engineer, remember..?

[nimble jetty]

Makes sense

Yet idk why the screen has a weird affect then after and Quentin passes out

Maybe it’s from shock or fear

[tiny verge]

I don't think that's got to be in-universe

[marble bison]

Can someone explain what the series on YouTube (Welcome to raven brooks) has anything to do with the game lore?

[chrome maple]

im pretty sure it does its own thing and isnt connected all too much with the games and books

[marble bison]

Thanks for the advice man I watched it like 8-9 times and still couldn't put together what it had to do with anything 😅

Does anyone else think that in the alpha 1 house the reasons for the mannequins are always "looking" at you from the corners like it means something?

[tiny verge]

it's stated everything is canon

though they obviously don't mean unfinished builds

so it's moreso how you perceive the lore

the show has been stated to "take place" in the 2000s and to be Trinity's perspective

to me that spells Trinity is retelling her side of the events during the 2000s

[marble bison]

I do understand that the series has a "somewhat" lore based background like the crowface background and etc

But the episodes almost feel "incomplete"

Like there are missing parts

And if it was canon then hello neighbour Act 2 and the series should be in the same timeline

[marble bison]

Ik u might say that I said this for no absolute reason

But wouldn't it be weird that no one helps nicky/main protagonist

It's just that the lore is so incomplete (in my perspective) that there is no actual "Lore" to be found

Every thing I say sounds so stupid, I think I might be going crazy trying to find lore 🥹

[marsh idol]

like?

[marsh idol]

the show supposedly takes place i think after act 2

[marble bison]

That's the part bro I don't know, but i have this weird feeling that is something is missing

[tiny verge]

yeah

[marble bison]

If it was after act two would nicky and his parents move?

[tiny verge]

you kinda need to know the other perspectives of the lore to understand the full picture

[marsh idol]

i have this as my timeline

1984. The secret of Bosco Bay

(1991-1992)Bad blood

(1992) Grave mistakes

(1992) Puzzle master

(1995) Missing pieces

(1995) Hide and Seek

(1995) Missing pieces last chapters

(1995-1996) Waking Nightmare

(1996) Buried secrets

(1996) Buried secrets last chapter= act 1

(1996) Search and Rescue

(1996) Act 2

(welcome to Raven Brooks s1 soft canon to all the things from Missing pieces to Act 2)

(1996 even if the soft canon timeline make confuse) Welcome to Raven Brooks s2

(1996) Hello neighbor 2

(Unknown) The Raven Brooks Disaster

(2017) Act 3,Act Finale and Diaries (You can swap their places with Reset Day)

(2021) Reset day

Hello neighbor 3 is just at prototype 3 for now,but the full game should take place in 2028

[tiny verge]

that and just because everything is perspective based that doesn't mean there aren't retcons

there still are

[marble bison]

Wouldn't season 1 of raven brooks come after act 2?

[tiny verge]

no..?

[marble bison]

Why 🥹

[tiny verge]

Nicky doesn't get captured once S1 starts

he gets captured near the end sure but when S1 starts

it's after Act 1 has already started

[marble bison]

Oh yeah mb

[tiny verge]

basically, to help break down Nicky's events

it starts with the first book, missing pieces
then Act 1 starts
shortly after Season 1 starts as well, and when Act 1 ends that's when Nicky is caught in Season 1
then there's Search and Rescue (VR) alongside part of Season 1 where they're trying to rescue Nicky
then Act 2 happens, Nicky escapes (but the kids think they saved Nicky), and he's gone a bit crazy

Season 2 has Nicky getting sent away (probably to a mental hospital), sometime after that he gets an apartment as an adult of which he gets evicted from
comes back to Raven Brooks, gets self therapy, and then finally Nicky's Diaries happens

that's where Nicky's story ends

[marble bison]

What would the shadow guy represent that made him go crazy tho??

[tiny verge]

according to Nikita, the Thing represents fear as a whole

that's why Peterson also "has" the Thing

the Thing isn't real in Nikita's version of the lore, not as a being nor as a hallucination

only we the player see it
same for the Act 3 gameplay, it's not a dream, only we see it
none of it happens at all

it all is there to represent self therapy

[marble bison]

So what does that one ending in hello neighbour mean where you look to see the neighbour in a house and on the other side is the shadow figure

[nimble jetty]

I think season 3 of WTRB would take place before HN2

[tiny verge]

the show however does retcon the Thing, which is what I meant by retcons can still happen

now the Thing IS a hallucination that Nicky has

[eager island]

different authors different interpretations of characters

[tiny verge]

Peterson's still strapped to his burdens

the giant neighbor has that burden house that he carries on his back

Nicky may have been able to move on

but Peterson has not

so essentially, Nicky is moving on

[marble bison]

Still haunted by the past?

[tiny verge]

yeah

also HN3 is the first game since H&S without gloves

[eager island]

act 3 finale diaries are 2017

[marble bison]

I wonder if crowface took the neighbours son after he escaped after nicky when the basement was unlocked in the final episode of S1 of WTRB

[marsh idol]

alr i’ll fix that

[marsh idol]

anything wrong with my timeline

or missing

well not mine

but modified

[nimble jetty]

Which is also strange since in the show the Thing can be seen following Nicky

If the Thing doesn’t appear in front of Nicky at first, wouldn’t it not be a visual hallucination meaning we shouldn’t see it

Idk how hallucinations work

But also as I said before apparently Reset Day mentions townsfolk seeing the Thing so

The Thing is just… someTHING

Idk all I know is the Thing is pretty cool tbh

We should have gotten more of them

It

Whatever

[nimble jetty]

The Thing also appears in Secret Neighbor so idk if in Secret Neighbor it is implied he is an actual supernatural spirit

[wicked heath]

The thing’s meaning is even more impactful in sn

Remember that Secret Neighbor takes place in the kids’ imagination

The clown, the butcher, the ghost are all nightmare versions of Peterson

So to have them all be forms of the same entity: the Thing (fear) is pretty well thought

[silver cargo]

The thing is not real.
It is just a representation of fear.

In Secret Neighbor, the thing just represents the fear of the neighbor.

[nimble jetty]

Okay here are some contradictions I just discovered

Maritza, in a picture in SN, is seen with Mya and Lucy, even tho in the show Maritza seems to not know who Mya is

In books and other stuff they know Aaron

But not in the show apparently

And Maritza’s mother is apparently dead in the books while alive in the show

[marsh idol]

it doesn’t actually appear in front of Nicky, he feels it

[nimble jetty]

I searched it up

Visual hallucinations can appear behind you so

Also he doesn’t just feel it since we can see the Thing’s shadow following him

Tho that could just represent the presence hallucination he is feeling idk

[marsh idol]

dude

are you seriously using google

as a source

no, it’s not a visual hallucination that Nicky can see

the appearance that we know the Thing for is a visual representation of fear that only us, the player or the audience can see, while the ones in the lore experiencing that thing only feel it.

[nimble jetty]

I’m talking about the show

Where the Thing is a hallucination

That Nicky can see

[marsh idol]

i’m applying it to the show as well.

this would otherwise be entirely contradictory which the show is canon but also, unstable.

look at it as internal perception and visual storytelling.
animation cant really communicate fear the same way the game does it.
it looks like Nicky can see it but it’s him just feeling that thing haunting him

[nimble jetty]

1. What do you mean by internal perception?

2. Yes they can. In the games, the Thing appears in cutscenes which are animation (obviously since you can’t have a cutscene without animation). In the show they could have like, had him in the background during parts with fear but nobody acknowledges him

3. I hope you don’t mean they show, because it is clearly shown that Nicky can see the Thing. He screams when the Thing lunges at him and he says “you didn’t see that shadow thing” to Trinity

[marsh idol]

Internal perception: this refers to how fear and trauma are experienced by the mind and body as a presence with direction and pressure, meaning Nicky doesn’t imagine the Thing on purpose or hallucinate it, but his fear is so intense that his brain gives it form, location, and movement, the same way people with severe anxiety or PTSD feel like something is “behind” or “watching” them even when nothing physical is there.

the games already place the player inside Nicky’s mindset, so visualizing the Thing fits naturally, while the show uses clearer storytelling and dialogue, meaning anything shown risks being read as literally real, so it allows Nicky to react strongly to the Thing without having other characters independently acknowledge or confirm it, keeping it symbolic rather than physical.

Nicky’s dialogue about the shadow, although we have yet for confirmation of the functions of the Thing now that Nicky said this, best to say when Nicky says “you didn’t see that shadow thing,” he isn’t proving the Thing literally existed in the room, he’s expressing that he experienced an overwhelming fear response that no one else felt, using visible language to describe an internal threat, which is consistent with how people talk about fear as if it were a real entity.

[nimble jetty]

I don’t get your point in the second paragraph

Also are you claiming that all the time Nicky in the show clearly acknowledges and sees the Thing… is just his anxiety? So it’s just a coincidence that Nicky’s anxiety caused him to think he saw a shadow figure while the representation of fear is a shadow figure and that he screamed like hell for no reason when it was shown that the shadow man lunged at him when he ran into the alley since apparently the shadow man is real and him lunging at Nicky is a symbolic representation of why he screamed..?

[sly garnet]

Hello!!! I'm new to the lore for hello neighbor but I'm trying to figure out if the animated series is canon to the series. ||Like how Mr Peterson brother got pushed in the hole and died|| this is just a simple question

[marsh idol]

the point is not that nicky randomly imagined a shadow and it happened to match the Thing’s design; it’s that the Thing is the visual language the story uses to show anxiety and trauma. when the Thing “lunges,” that does not mean a being in his hallucination is actually attacking him, but represents a sudden spike of panic, some other shows showcased this beforehand. nicky screams because his fear response is real and overwhelming, not because something physically hit him obviously nor that he’s seeing something attacking him. in real life, people scream, freeze, or run when anxiety peaks, even if no external threat exists. the show chooses to show the fear as an external figure so the audience understands its intensity, while keeping it non-literal by having no one else react, acknowledge it, or confirm it. so no, it’s not “just a coincidence,” and it’s not the Thing being turned into a visual thing that Nicky can see now either; it’s a storytelling device where the audience sees fear as a character, while in-universe it exists only as something nicky feels, not something that actually occupies physical space and showcased through animation which isnt exactly perfected in the show but tries to convey that

[marsh idol]

ehhh

the show is canon

all HN medias are canon except early builds and ones that the devs outright states are not canon

the show we still don’t fully know about it, but it’s canon so we have to wait and see

and what about Peterson’s brother do you perchance have questions about?

his name is Franklin by the way

[nimble jetty]

I mean

Is this a confirmed explanation or

Is it what your perspective on it is

[marsh idol]

it’s an explanation on how that plays into, how anxiety and trauma is shown within the show using Nikita’s original statement.

since, i don’t know

hes the…creator of Hello Neighbor i remember?

[nimble jetty]

So like the scenes where Nicky can “see” the Thing is metaphorical?

Like how Nicky can “see” the Thing in his dream that is actually a metaphorical world that represents self therapy

Yeah I guess that makes sense

Tho as I have said before, apparently in Reset Day townsfolk have seen the Thing before so… idk the lore is complicated

[hasty kiln]

in Hello Neighbor 3 they say the name of The Guest is The Forest Dweller, I wonder if thats why they call themselves the Forest Protectors

The Protectors worship The Dweller

[marsh idol]

don’t forget that i’m not writing the lore, i’m just justifying Nikita’s statement
and yes thats pretty much it

when nicky “sees” the Thing in the show, it’s metaphorical, the same way he sees it in dreams, nightmares, or distorted mental spaces. the show externalizes his internal fear so we can understand what he’s feeling. in-world, nicky isn’t making eye contact with a literal creature, he’s experiencing intense anxiety, dread, and trauma, and his mind gives that fear a shape.

[marsh idol]

does the book state they saw a shadowy figure perchance of my lack of knowledge over the book?

[nimble jetty]

So when Nicky mentions a shadow thing, maybe the Thing looks like a shadow creature to reflect his comment

He symbolizes seeing things out of the corner of your eye

[marsh idol]

thats mostly just outside game knowledge, i think they only know the Guest as

The Raven Man, nothing else

[nimble jetty]

Like shadows

Since usually people with anxiety will see shadows or figures out of the corner of their eye sometimes

So the Thing looks like a shadow to symbolize that

Tho it’s strange to me how the Thing is just a symbolic representation of fear, yet Nikita on instagram posted a photo of him showing the Thing something like he is a real entity

If he existed in the real world wouldn’t he still just be a metaphor

Idk

Also looking back at Nikita’s message

Nikita never says anything about symbolism or metaphors

He just says that the Thing represents fear

Things can represent other things without being metaphorical or artistic

But idk maybe there was another message that said it was symbolic

[hasty kiln]

what if The Thing is the guests true form

not like the thing in Nickys dreams

but what if it does exist

yet the one in Nickys head is one he imagined

[nimble jetty]

Tbh tho the image of Nikita showing the Thing something on his phone can be used for some funny reaction images

[marsh idol]

nah

the guest and the thing are unrelated

remember that

the guest himself is a physical entity

the thing, is not a sentient entity in any shape

nor is physical

[hasty kiln]

but what if Nicky saw something in the basement like the Thing that was the guests true form

[marsh idol]

no..

we’re going off track

rewind

[hasty kiln]

but I feel like just being thrown down there cant be the only thing that caused Nicky trauma

something else had to be down there

[marsh idol]

the Thing, is what we know as the visual representation of fear. hes not A person, hes not A sentient being in any way.
he is a THING, the thing people deal with which is trauma and fear.
this thing appears differently for a lot of people to us, and they feel different things because their “thing” is different from one another blah.

[hasty kiln]

it just feels so weird how broken Nicky is after the basement

at least in the show

[marsh idol]

and the Guest, is NOT the Thing.

[marsh idol]

obviously???

[hasty kiln]

because of how he was beforehand

[marsh idol]

he’s been kidnapped

by his neighbor

and trapped there

in his basement

of course he would get trauma and fear

[hasty kiln]

its just something feels off

[marsh idol]

he didn’t see a black shadowy figure.

and no. nothing is off.

[hasty kiln]

also we know The Guest was infact down there in the games timeline

[marsh idol]

it’s literally just trauma he has from being kidnapped by his neighbor which by the way he heard SCREAMS from his basement which he knows should be Aaron so obviously he should be scared.

[marsh idol]

yes hes the one who made the deal with Aaron

but this has NOTHING to do with a black shadowy figure down there

[hasty kiln]

also what happened to Aaron?

he got like pulled away

[marsh idol]

he escaped the basement as seen in S1 of WTRB, then i think Peterson found him again

then he escapes in HN2’s ending but stays with Peterson

and assumptions suggest the forest protectors kidnapped him from Peterson

[hasty kiln]

also does Nicky even know The Guest was down there?

he knew exactly were Aaron was

[nimble jetty]

Wait is Nicky making a drawing of the Thing also somehow metaphorical

S1 EP6 at 6:06 there is a drawing of the Thing

Also in the alleyway he turns around in the direction of the Thing like he can see him

He looks directly at him

So yeah I believe in WTRB, he is some sort of hallucination

Which is probably because Nikita didn’t really have a say in the show at first (idk tho I could be wrong) so the lore was mixed up with the team’s own ideas

Also just to mention

The animation for the Thing in the show is really good

Now rewatching the episode where we first see the Thing when he casts a shadow over the eyeball painting, Nicky doesn’t see something out of the corner of his eye, he looks directly in the direction of the Thing and gasps

And also yells at him at the school

[willow depot]

Honestly yeah

I think It's kinda meh because they make the Thing "physical" at least for Nicky himself

I like how he acted in the first few episodes where he's clearly on edge but not completely a schizophrenic coo-coo kid

What I also don't get is whether they all found out about Aaron or not

I mean Nicky at the bare minimum SAW him, right? Did he tell anyone?? No???

So what conclusion about the basement did the inventors club even come to after they got out

Because they're definitely not searching for Aaron

That he just... Had nothing there? Just Nicky himself?

You'd think they'd at least investigate the basement and what was behind the crow door without Nicky when the house goes empty but uhhh, nope

[sly garnet]

no I just wanted to know that's all ty!!

[marsh idol]

yea

[pale nymph]

SUP

@pale nymph

BTW

I HAVE A GROUP ABOUT HN LORE

[pale nymph]

WHY DOES THIS EXIST

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor-neighbor-meme-hello-neighbor-meme-gif-15304653553575127613

[lament robin]

I don't know

I remember 2018 when this green screen was actually in every HN1 gameplay

On yt

[marsh idol]

cool

[ripe berry]

2018...?

[nimble jetty]

That’s the HN2 Neighbor model

[tiny verge]

you probably got your dates mixed up or your green screens mixed up

[marsh idol]

time traveler ahh

[lament robin]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-2020-gif-19361870

[lament robin]

Yup

My bad

[fervent galleon]

so whered he get the nighmares of the fear supermarket, school and the closet one ig i forgor the name. from

[versed jacinth]

Have you read the books before? (Just asking beforehand and seeing a topic I'm very interested in sparked my attention, lol)

[fervent galleon]

no

[versed jacinth]

The books do explain the supermarket one, if you plan on reading them I won't say any spoilers

However I don't exactly recall it being elaborated on for fear of dark (the closet one) and the school one in the original trilogy

I could share the reasoning for the supermarket dream if you don't mind spoilers though!

[fervent galleon]

i dont plan on reading go ahead

[wanton roost]

I think grandma

I think not sure like I think she went to the grocery with grandma and for some reason fear and school too

[versed jacinth]

I'll spoiler it for others who'd look in here that don't want spoilers, but || when Nicky and his mom talk after he woke up from a nightmare of being in a shopping cart again, his mom explains that his grandmother, Bubbe Fein had left him in a shopping cart in a supermarket to teach him to not wander or else he'll be left alone ||

[wanton roost]

Oh yeah that

[fervent galleon]

oooohhohhhhh

[versed jacinth]

I haven't found a proper source that explains fear of darkness and fear of school, but based on the name of fear of the dark we can assume what that's about, but for school I assume it's based on the continuous feeling of being the weird new kid in every town he moved to

But that's just my assumption for now until I find a proper source

[fervent galleon]

is act 1 real? thats real right?

[versed jacinth]

Yep! Acts 1-2 are

[fervent galleon]

maybe its because the basement

dark down there sometimes

and he was smaller when he was trapped

[versed jacinth]

That is true, that honestly works well for the reasoning!

[inland folio]

erm actually

act 2 is a distorted memory

[versed jacinth]

Right—

[fervent galleon]

wut

[versed jacinth]

Considering the house is all out of wack

And also the storytelling of it

But parts of it are still partially real, but shown in a different manner because of the psychological effects of all that

[inland folio]

in the books it explains them i guess?

fear school was like his trauma from bullies i guess

and fear darkness is uh

iunno im just guessing it

[fervent galleon]

bro

i just made my guess'

[versed jacinth]

I just recently read the original trilogy and only the fear of the supermarket was explained, but I can't find anything for the other two

[inland folio]

they are probably in the later books

[versed jacinth]

Honestly I think the guess of the basements darkness makes sense

[fervent galleon]

and being smaller'

[versed jacinth]

Realistically they could be in other informational ones since the second trilogy follows Aaron and the 7th book follows Ms. Tillman I'm pretty sure? (I haven't bought it yet, lol)

[inland folio]

my explanation for fear darkness is that

its nicky making himself small because hes scared that something might attack him

because the guest was also in the basement

the thing wasnt

[versed jacinth]

God I forgot about the guest, I've been trying my best to ignore it

[fervent galleon]

wow.......i dont know who guest is

[inland folio]

the bird guy

[versed jacinth]

Entity thing

[inland folio]

one of the most important creatures to the lore

[versed jacinth]

According to what's shown in S&R

[fervent galleon]

is the thing just a one time appearance be honest

[inland folio]

the thing lore wise

is the general representation of fear

like everybody can see it

[versed jacinth]

It's appeared in the graphic novels, S&R, and HN2, but I don't know much about it

[inland folio]

such as neighbor being locked up with the thing in the first game

[fervent galleon]

man the thing looks kinda chill to me

[versed jacinth]

I'm still reading the second trilogy and I'm unsure if it elaborates further on that plotline

I think it does?

[inland folio]

hes distressed like hes scared

the thing isnt a real creature

[fervent galleon]

he looks like the ''yo wanna head to the gass station''

type

[versed jacinth]

The forest dweller (HN3) looks like just some guy I'd see getting an Arizona drink at 2:35 in the morning

[inland folio]

forest dweller is the guest

[fervent galleon]

arizona tea

[versed jacinth]

Man I have so much to catch up on

[inland folio]

you have missed quite alot

we are already on hn3 prototype 3

[versed jacinth]

I'm more focused with the original storyline stuff I hardly paid attention to the fuest

[versed jacinth]

I do know that!

[inland folio]

ok

[versed jacinth]

Just I haven't looked into the character itself

[fervent galleon]

theyn removed hello neighbor from xbox gamepass

[inland folio]

what does that have to do

[versed jacinth]

And I was sidetracked watching Welcome to Raven Brooks 5 times to try to understand that version of the character (at least the protectors worshipping it)

[inland folio]

with him being more focused on the main story

[versed jacinth]

I'm gonna do something reallllyyy mean

To Xbox (not really this is not an actual threat I SWEAR)

[fervent galleon]

Ikr

im so angy

[inland folio]

i dont really understand the guest

like hes this entity the protectors worship

but like he resembles greed

what if the guest just takes iunno a forest protectors i dont know

house keys

[versed jacinth]

I'm gonna dip the Guest in a bucket of tar (lovingly)

[inland folio]

because he does resemble greed right

or am i wrong

[versed jacinth]

I don't even know brah 💔

[wary flame]

What if the guest decided to target the forest protectors as the forest protectors are really greedy right as they curse the town to give it bad luck or whatever

I don’t know that could be interesting

[versed jacinth]

That could honestly give some cool fan literature ideas with that concept

(Btw awesome Blonde Blazer profile picture)

I need to get a better understanding of the guest soon while I'm putting all the lore info back into my brain

and not rewatch WTRB for the 6th time

[wary flame]

I don’t think they’ve actually explained what it really is yet

im pretty sure they’ve said it’s not supernatural

and its not the neighbor

[wary flame]

which thats kind of confusing if true

[versed jacinth]

Honestly I find it confusing as a whole, I personally have what I find as canon when it comes to official media, but I'm still very interested in learning about The Guest despite not being too huge into it

Also it's motives I really am curious about

[wary flame]

im pretty sure in the graphic novels it does something about greed like taking things from people who don’t deserve it (atleast thats what I remember I read the one with him in it like 2 years ago) but the novels aren’t even canon (I think)

I have no clue if they’re canon or not they flip flop on what is and what isnt a lot

[versed jacinth]

There has been a lot of retconning when it comes to some information so it becomes really confusing when it comes to canon or not canon

Once I finish up Aaron's trilogy I'm planning on getting Reset Day then my hands on the graphic novels

Plus anything that includes extra lore

I love lore of this silly game I've been into since alpha 2

[wary flame]

They also just sometimes don’t even bother on saying what happens like the actual ending to hn2 that was gonna be in the cancelled patch 10

[versed jacinth]

omg I completely forgot about patch 10 😭

[wary flame]

I replayed hn2 and genuinely was shocked on how it just ends there

[versed jacinth]

I was really confused when I saw the ending, then I just pushed the game to the back of my mind so peace can restore in my noggin

[wary flame]

Im pretty sure there is a video tinybuild released about the early pitch of the patch 10 cutscenes where like these forest protectors tie up you in this secret lair they have

after this whole trippy psychedelic sequence

then you try and break free and the guest appears and frees you for some reason

thats all we saw

[versed jacinth]

I remember seeing some of my HN fan friends losing their mind over that! I honestly wish that the patch followed through because it could've been interesting to learn more about the Forest Protectors and The Guest itself

[wary flame]

I know hn2 failed financially but they can’t just promise 10 patches to give us what should’ve been in the game on launch but just not even give us the last one with the actual ending

[versed jacinth]

It would've been a financial risk (I'd assume) to spend more time on it but I think it would've made it succeed a bit better

And hot take, I think part of it following part of the original story that was shown in Hello Guest would've been cool, but I still think seeing Aaron again was cool

[wary flame]

Yeah that would’ve been cool

no idea why they just scrapped the smart ai they advertised and all the side content like the man in the hat

[versed jacinth]

Maybe for time and financial reasons? It beats me, man

[wary flame]

it’s just so dumb that they advertise all of this and don’t follow up

[versed jacinth]

Truthful!!

Also something I'll be honest about, including supernatural themes feels a little bit odd in the story to me

I like it more when it follows psychological horror rather than supernatural horrors

Or what seem that way?

Considering how The Guest appears in S&R

[wary flame]

Yeah

[wary flame]

its just im interested on how they’d even explain the guest to not be supernatural

[versed jacinth]

The guy turns into a bird in S&R, how wouldn't it be supernatural? Unless its a very vague way of trying to convey some kind of metaphor, but I can't tell for the life of me

Also why in the show is he called Crowface....they're in Raven Brooks

[wary flame]

Whose the guy we’re talking about I’m confused now

[wary flame]

no idea but im pretty sure none of the guest’s in the show are actually him but forest protectors

I think

[versed jacinth]

The Guest and how it appears in Search & Rescue

[versed jacinth]

They are, and it doesn't give any explanation to The Guest still

[wary flame]

You’d have better luck in actually trying to break into someone’s home and their basement then figuring out the lore of this series

[versed jacinth]

Unfortunately that is true

[wary flame]

There’s also just way too much lore

and a lot of it is really unclear if its canon or not

and the timeline jumps all over the place

[versed jacinth]

SERIOUSLY IT DOES

Like

Search & Rescue I'm still so lost on

Welcome To Raven Brooks is very off canon and is so confusing

[wary flame]

Im pretty sure its just the animated series season 1 finale but in a different pov or whatever

Twisted memory

but the animated series also isnt canon because theres no way that big house actually was made

[versed jacinth]

That would make sense

Also not to mention it being post 2007

[wary flame]

I don’t even know what time period the AS happens in

I hear that its in the 90’s but sometimes its in the 2000’s and sometimes its the 2020’s

its so confusing

[versed jacinth]

For everything I just follow the original timeframe that was stated in the books or from other offical sources that actually make sense, like Nicky moving Raven Brooks in 1995 and it following the time frame of the late 90's which makes so many things out of canon

[wary flame]

Im attempting a rewrite on the entire hello neighbor franchise as one game and I did the first part of it but after that im genuinely just so lost on what i need to do next

its so overwhelming with all the lore

[marsh idol]

you know that whole part was both metaphorical and a dream/illusion

he didn’t actually turn into multiple ravens.

[marsh idol]

theres a lore explanation for this, something something with crows making their way into ravenbrooks when they’re not suppose to be

which we know the guest’s mythical name was The Raven Man

[marsh idol]

they’re forest protectors, one of them could be the guest

as we are told he appeared in some way in the show

wrong reply but still

[marsh idol]

it is canon

every hello neighbor media is canon unless it’s an early build or stated to be non canon

[marsh idol]

the only supernatural thing about him is his supernatural strength almost, speed and unnatural body proportions in HN2

[wary flame]

I mean as it can’t be canon as the giant house makes no sense

is what I meant

[marsh idol]

what do you mean

[wary flame]

he has the giant act 3 house in the animated series

in the end of season 1

which is unbelievable how would that have been built

[marsh idol]

you can ask someone else about the house, the WTRB series is unstable at times to fit in with the timeline but it is still canon so you would have to find pieces to fit together

[wary flame]

thats dumb

we’re supposed to just pick and choose and figure out what’s canon

I never get the whole “let’s make 5 different versions of how Nicky got caught and escaped”

[marsh idol]

uh no.

WTRB is canon

i mean find pieces about the house.

unless it’s stated to be non canon or it’s an early build, it’s canon

[wary flame]

okay what are we even talking about anymore I feel like we both are just talking about different things entirely

[glacial whale]

I just assumed the act 3 house in the show was just in the kids head. Like he might have actually built on to his house but maybe not like that?

[tiny verge]

Trinity's memory too

[wary flame]

Yeah that’s what I was saying

Well meant to say

[tiny verge]

at most Act 2 or Search & Rescue levels

[wary flame]

like yeah the animated series is canon but not fully in that sense with the giant house

[tiny verge]

that's more of a memory thing

rather than an uncanon thing

like it's not the true event

the true events are kinda hard to know

[wary flame]

Why don’t they just show us what actually happened instead of making 5 different versions and jangling keys over our heads to figure out what actually happened

[tiny verge]

but they still canonically think that house (which is actually a weird mix of all the acts)

[tiny verge]

uh very good reason actually

ever heard of folklore..?

these old stories that would spread among groups

well, Raven Brooks whole thing is that it's filled with mysteries

[wary flame]

yep

[glacial whale]

Imagine they come out with mayak being some in your head metaphor thing and it’s never real.