lore-discussion

[tiny verge]

I'm pretty sure that laser vaporized that guy

that beam of light 100% had to have reduced him into ash

it's one thing to see your brother fall and die, it's a whole other thing to see a giant blast just instantly incinerate anything that was left of him

[marsh idol]

how

obviously not the thing

and a 100% not the Guest.

[tiny verge]

it can't be the Guest because the Guest has been implied to be known about for a pretty damn long time

[marsh idol]

i dont think Franklin survived that beam and climbed up that tall pit all on his own

[nimble jetty]

I’m saying that the laser doesn’t need to be a supernatural force

It can just be sci fi

Meaning if Franklin turned into something it technically not supernatural

[marsh idol]

which by the way why would Franklin just terrorize the town and especially his own brother.

[tiny verge]

that blast was just to give Peterson trauma

also yeah there's no reason for that

[marsh idol]

thats never what i said, i’m saying the laser freaking kills Franklin 😭

[tiny verge]

the blast is sci-fi, but him turning into anything does not happen

[marsh idol]

this too

[tiny verge]

he's being vaporized, incinerated, obliterated, annihilated
he died

[marsh idol]

hes a myth thats been around the town for centuries

and that’s what the raven society picked up on

[tiny verge]

yeah like cryptid

[nimble jetty]

I’m not saying he did I’m saying if he did

[tiny verge]

though they mistook him for a raven

as it was really common for people back in the day to mistake ravens and crows

[nimble jetty]

You said: i don't think the statement of "no supernatural" would mean Franklin rose up in the beam and becomes some supernatural demon

[tiny verge]

aloooot of folklore does this constantly

[tiny verge]

yeah because he didn't turn into anything

he died

[marsh idol]

exactly because i’m saying theres no other way Franklin would literally become anything

if he survived that would be supernatural

and we know the laser, is just a laser

[tiny verge]

the beam wasn't him rising up it was him having anything left of him getting incinerated

he got obliterated into nothingness

again he got the Perfect Cell treatment

[dawn relic]

anyone have some lore thieories on why the guest has the beak ropes/strings?

[woeful moat]

for aura

[dusty trench]

Yeah I see where your coming from. And also to somewhat add to what your saying I think that what we see happen or somewhat of what we see in the past can have a deeper meaning to what happened to Franklin. I believe that when he fell down the hole and the laser beam striked, it activated the mayak machines power by somone falling into the power source, which is the hole. Which we get a glimpse of the full power of the mayak. And I believe that day a storm was struck and got out of control, as we see when they go to the weather station we know the bullies are already there and to scare Theo and Franklin to think that the place is being cursed and haunted they used the machines to cause a storm. And since they are cult members it makes sense they would know how to function the machines, as they even set off an alarm. And whne Franklin falls down the hill, the building starts shaking electricity starts building up as the laser beam strikes that even the bullies are shocked and run away showing that the full power of the mayak machines is way too strong to the point that it can even become uncontrollable. Just showing how dangerous the storms are. And probably the bullies came in contact with the cult (probably from theyre parents and aneaking around town and the weather station) and want to join the cult becaue they were manipulated to do task for them and research stuff like the mayak machines. And probably to test the bullies they probably told them to tell other kids that want to join the inventirs club that they have to do a test at weatehr station. If they pass the test they join the cult, and if they fail they get sacrificed to the pit. And why I say that is like I said the cult wants to test the bullies to see if they are worthy so without fully telling them everything but ketting them learn. So the bullies didnt know that they had to sacrifice someone. Or atleast they didnt know how to.

And since they sacrificed someone by learning themselves, they pass as being full on cultist since they help unlock the Mayaks power.

And what that means for Franklin is that since he was the vessel, symbolically his presence haunts the narrrative since he is now connected to mayak now. Like he “became mayak.”

[tiny verge]

honestly that makes sense to me

it keeps it from being supernatural while giving it lore implications

[dusty trench]

Yeah, and I also want to add more symbols that we see represented to this. Such as Mr. Peterson. We see that Franklin and Mr. Peterson have the same eye color which makes sense since they are siblings. And we see in the S2 poster we see Mr. Peterson as an adukt standing tall metaphorically looking down at the bullies behind the weather station behind the mayak eye. And Him standing tall represents him getting revenge on the cukt making them feel small, weak, and vulnerable like that made him feel on that same day which is why its depicted theyre in the moment. And another reason whybits representing that day is because the sky is purple representing a bad storm and the bullies are leaving the weather station, and I believe that is showing the exact moment after the escape the station and what we see in the skay is just how dangerous the mayaks power is. And how I mentioned Franklin symbolically “becoming the mayak,” that is represented in this poster. And with Franklin and Theo having the same eye color as the mayak eye, it makes even more sense. And what we se esymbolically in that poser is both Mr. Peterson and Franklin looking down at the bullies scared and weak side. And since this is depicting right after they escape the building, it makes sense thats theyre weak and vulnerable selves since they were scared by the Mayaks true power. And Mr. Peterson is gonna show them just how strong theyre power truly is. Because Petersons stick togethor.

And even tho the eye was already green before hand it still can work. And honestly what would be cool is if Roger and Adele based the color of the eye off of theyre kids, mainly Franklin since he is now connected to mayak.

[marsh idol]

wait so

the bullies weren't the original forest protectors?

their parents passed that whole thought down to them?

[dusty trench]

No they werent the OG cult members. Dont forget the Tavishes. Who are older than the kids and are abiut the same age as roger and adele. Mr. And Ms. Tavish.

[marsh idol]

ohhh

[dusty trench]

And it was wether theyre parents or the kids becoming curious and sneaking around the weather station and other work by the Tavishes discovering secrets and becoming influenced.

[tiny verge]

the cult existed for a while according to the books

honestly though

I think they're dead

HN3 has no sign of them anywhere

the Forest Protectors from HN2 probably are dead

[dusty trench]

But one thing is those bullies probably came up with the rumored name the forest protectors. Somce the cults name technically is the Revens society from the bullies sneaking around they became and after they started spreading rumors about the forest protectirs being bird humans and when they actually discovered how the stuff works, they just started scaring people and eventually became interested to slowly becoming crazy and becoming cult members. And honestly it would make sense if they git some influenced from parents or family members so that they woukd think its okay because they are getting influenced by the people they look up too which is clearly wrong guidence to have your parents or other family members you see as idols be psychopaths, its actually really sad when you really think about.

[marsh idol]

alright that solves that for me

[marsh idol]

i wouldn't say dead? maybe we'll see in season 3 of WTRB what happens to the remaining forest protectors

maybe they die or maybe they drop the entire cult as a whole

[dusty trench]

Well we kind of do get signs of them being around in a way. Sure they are leobably dead but theyre influence through The Forest Dwellar festivals are present because probably the towns folks in the future decide to look through old history and fond out about the guest rituals not knowing that they are basically continuing the cults work by pleasing The Guest. But The Vandals learned more thanthe others and use isaac to do a full Guest ritual. And eityer they are just edgy teens just trying to do a prank or see if its real, or they are actually trying to be cult members. Either way they are still practicing and continuing the cults legacy. Which look where that ended up resulting to the town.

[dusty trench]

And as for what happened to them, yes most definetly alot of them died, or also some probably just grabbed the money and took off out of raven brooks. And being true makes sense to me.

[tiny verge]

I mean the members themselves

from HN2 I don't think they're really alive anymore

the cult I don't think dies, just the current members

[tiny verge]

WTRB might have them be alive there is a chance

well whatever happens to them

I don't think they're at Raven Brooks anymore

dead or alive

[dusty trench]

Yeah I get what you mean.

And now that I said that im starting to wonder what type if revenge would Mr. Peterson get out if a cult member took off a dipped raven brooks and became like a grandparent or a really rich busness owner or sum. And what type of impact would that have on the families.

[marsh idol]

well he really can’t do anything, maybe thats why hes just residing in ravenbrooks so depressed

he basically failed

[dusty trench]

Yes true. Im just saying if he was able too, I just wonder how brutal he would kill them if he was in his younger body. Like that cult member in the prison. And the impact that would have on the family of that cult member (or members), like how would they even react knowing that all of theyre wealth is made from the cinstant suffering of others, the pain, loss, and the blood if others. Taken by the hands of greedy people who have been brainwashed.

[eager island]

"became the thing" no dude

[worthy sable]

damn

thank you for the explanation

[wanton roost]

maybe yes or not

[marsh idol]

no problemo

[ripe berry]

Mural Mr. Apple found in the HN3 Prototype 3 Files

just sending because it clarifies the likely purpose of the Festival ritual

[eager island]

btw the runes on this is different from the statue one

thats has eihwaz instead of reversed laguz

[fickle garden]

So is there like two sides of the guest, one good and one evil?

[ripe berry]

yeah... there's like 3 interpretations of this

[eager island]

also the runes on isaacs is making way more sense after prototype 3,

raidho means hes the selected one (hes the victim of guest ritual in p3)

eihwaz - his death is thought to open a critical transition in the ritual

dagaz - his death is seen as the "moment of dawn" that is, the moment of guest's arrival

and the historian is probably "the last keeper" of festival

[ripe berry]

I'd say a part of this is showing how this symbol of the town has been twisted into something it's not, a mere shell of what it once was

(ignore the poorly edited Festival Statue image)

quite literally, the meaning of this symbol has been flipped on it's head, going from protector from the storms to (in GN2) being the one to cause a storm (indirectly)

[ripe berry]

the Historian seems like they could have the exact same set of symbols as the original Mural, but it looks like a different symbol due to the stitches

she's also the one of the ones shown setting up the statue in the pictures

[tiny verge]

Idk something about the cone beak makes me feel it's after the crow/raven stuff

since it looks alot closer to the HN3 design

[ripe berry]

the top half comes after the Raven Man era?
the problem is that doesn't work out timeline-wise

the og Guest Festival ended in 1980 (where the 2nd Conehead design was used)
the Park (where both the final Conehead design and the first Crow design are used depending on which game you're looking at) opens in ~1992 (HN3 makes a continuity error and says 1984 though lol)

[hushed inlet]

the neighbor, is actually, nicky

[tiny verge]

I guess that's fair

still not sure if the actual Guest himself would have looked like the cone head until HN3

I still think he's literally just some crow man

[dusty trench]

Yea I like the idea of there being an evil version of the guest and a good version of him. And that honeslty makes alot of sense especailly if what we see of hik in HN3.

[drowsy turtle]

nicky is the new guest

[dusty trench]

(this message adds onto the fowarded messages since i copy and pasted them from one) And the animalistic actions we see The Guest do is a symbolic way of metaphirically representing that the oerson that chose to be the vessel lost all of theyre humanity becoming a monster and ruining the lives of others. And its one if the big reasons why he is portrayed as an animalistic being, ans the supernatural metaphor is representing his power over others aswell as his influence and how he has caused pain, suffering, trauma, loss, and many more really awful things. And his childlike behavior represesnts him not growing up and wanting to stay a child forevor and just have fun. And that backfires towards him

Why the messages are structured like this is because I was talking about sum in the lore and i brought up the guest as evidence.

Also this adds onto the guest discussion being talked about here.

[tiny verge]

I'm not sure if Peterson really is trying to destroy the town again

he already got convinced not to

but yeah this is mostly spot on from what we do have

also he doesn't seem to really be trying to destroy the town in 1996 yet the cult still did all of their stuff

[stiff spire]

I would imagine if Theodore met the vandals gang he'd bash them up

[dusty trench]

Yea maybe but, ever since i guess whatever happened to Aaron he went crazy and now wants to destroy the town. But then after GN2 he was convinced not too but then right after gets taken over by his rage and anger and attacks pris and regina which they biew him as being The Guest, and Mr. Peterson views himself as a monster now since he is out of control in the moment and prabably afterwards too considering HN Reset Day.

[dusty trench]

Yea

[tiny verge]

everyone seems to not like them

[dusty trench]

Yea and this also shows the curruption if history over time in the world. Going from sum that once had a true meaning to sum that has been overshadowed by branding and a companys greed. Which that would indirectly put make the whole historical symbol look bad down the line and we see this greedy company theme in the background with the Tavish/Raven society slowly going insane and branwashed by money and slowly turning into psychopaths turning the symbol of something once great into a symbol of something that ruins others lives and has an impact. I also like the idea of an evil side if The Guest, and an good side which ive been kind of thinking about in a way with the many ways hes represented.

[dusty trench]

Yea i can totally see this being true and this is pretty spot on to waht we have rn and makes sense as to why we see the symbols on the characters cloths and The Forest Dwellar statue. It would be that Isaac is like the chosen sacrifice to the raven man and when we see The Guest apppear thtas his arrival taking the cosen vessel. And it does make sense for The Historian to be the last keeper of the festival with the evidence you have.

[quasi wave]

does anyone have any idea on when act 3 takes place? im trying to piece together a timeline but its a pretty wide range, i see anywhere from 2003 - 2015

[glacial whale]

I think 2017 or later

[quasi wave]

what evidence is there to back that?

[glacial whale]

That’s just what I heard or saw people say it was or maybe what was confirmed or something. You’d have to ask one of the lore people for that one

[nimble jetty]

Wait, what do you mean “the vessel to the raven mans new body”?

Also what do you mean by supernatural metaphor?

[marsh idol]

2015 or 2017
act 3 is 20 years later, or was it 19? it would be in those ranges

[marsh idol]

he means someone chosen or taken the role as the new Raven Man

[nimble jetty]

Yeah but vessel to the raven man’s new body sounds like they are saying the Guest is possessed

It also is phrased weird cause it makes it sound like the raven man has a body but also possesses people as a vessel

[marsh idol]

metaphorically said

i’m pretty sure anything he says isnt pointing towards anything supernatural as all of his claims relies on metaphors and symbolism

[nimble jetty]

Ah okay

Vessel means like

Claiming an identity I guess

Or becoming something

Yeah but again it’s also phrased weird as a I said before

Unless I’m reading it wrong or not understanding

[safe charm]

Honestly guest lore is actual insanity

It wouldn’t be if he was supernatural

But yeah he can just do this

Ig

Like anyone could

Phase through a Wall and possess a dude

Like WHAT

They need to decide if hes supernatural or not

Cause this is supernatural deluxe no matter the definition of the word

[dusty trench]

I mean I wasnt even just talking about just metaphors and symbolism, im aslo talking about the actual events of whats going on. Im just wording it in metaphors and symbolism since they use alot of it to explain the story so it has depth.

[dusty trench]

And i wasnt even thinking about that I was thinking more of a sacrifice to The Guest so he can approve the vandals as cult members. And it is very likely that the vandals are just edgy teens or sum that just wanted to play around with stuff not realizing what they got into. But also it is very strange how The Guest takes off his mask that ending.

[wanton roost]

i dunno if the guest supports the cult or is with em'

[tiny verge]

it depends on how he got the cloak I guess
if he supports them he probably put it on himself
if not they probably somehow forced it on

[wanton roost]

Maybe

[eager island]

2017

[lethal birch]

then why are they still using brick phones😭

or one of these push button telephones

[marsh idol]

ehh i don't think the guest himself submitted himself to the cult

kinda off for me

[glacial whale]

That’s like asking how they are using modern cell phones or IPhones in the AS. Some stuff just doesn’t make sense.

[tiny verge]

think of Hello Neighbor lore as if they're rumors being told, or stories that are being retold by the people in them but don't fully remember all the details

like, folklore basically

[dusty trench]

Or he killed a cult member but idk

[stiff spire]

it looks like the cult member got strung up or something

[dusty trench]

I wasnt really saying that I was or atleast trying ti refer to my whole theory where i compared the guest to many things based on his action.

[dusty trench]

@marsh idol specifically these messages I fowarded.

[dusty trench]

But yeah I also dont think he is a cult member.

hell he probably killed one and got the robe.

[wanton roost]

Yes

I don't think so too

[wanton roost]

He even freed quentin in the catacombs for some reason

[marsh idol]

alright

[marsh idol]

most likely

[dusty trench]

Yeah I feel like over the years as raven brooks collapse, we see that with The Guest aswell and even the noises he makes. I feel like The Guest kind of shows how low the town has gotten, even with the way people see him. His noises sound like a cry for help in HN3. And The Guest we see in HN2 is his anger taken over.

[silver vine]

thats not canon

[dusty trench]

And that even has me refer to this theory aswell.

[tiny verge]

maybe he used his stabby beak

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[tiny verge]

stabby beak is peak Guest attack

apparently in one of his jumpscares he pecks at Quentin twice to knock him down, and then bites his face off

[marsh idol]

was this in beta 1.0 and 1.5 or not

[wanton roost]

Ik but when that new teaser released it is kind of a reason to go see this patch 10 teaser again bc guest still saved quentin that the cult tried sacrificing and the guest killed one of them I know its not Canon but I just put that up for the idea

[wanton roost]

Layout v2 teaser

[silver vine]

yeah thats not canon

[ripe berry]

how is LayoutV2 not canon? The Forest sidequest has to happen somehow

and the photos prove it comes after base HN2

[silver vine]

its a sidequest

quentin can literally do it anytime during the game

[ripe berry]

the photos prove that despite being able to be done at any point, it must occur at a point in the timeline after Ted's house burnt down, which can only occur after Night 4 of HN2, meaning it must also come after the ending of HN2

[dusty trench]

Yes. And even the files for it has the name of act 2 in it. And even we know that the map was supposed to be in Patch 10 aswell.

[wanton roost]

still part of the idea

[ripe berry]

(Quentin is unavailable to do the Forest Sidequest after Night 4 until HN2 ends)

[wanton roost]

Soo

[ripe berry]

and at the end of HN2 Quentin is knocked out and dragged away, and LayoutV2 answers what happened to Quentin and at least a part of how he escaped to show up in the Forest Sidequest

[silver vine]

i dont want to talk about hn2 anymore

I want to talk about HN3

whats the deal with the park mascot

[wanton roost]

kind of makes sense rn when I hear this because when hn2 had hype I was thinking the timeline of hn2 game to be the catacombs then the ruined town after quentin escapes and forest

[wanton roost]

[silver vine]

why does it look like guest but with a face drawn

[ripe berry]

original Guest

[silver vine]

whats with the guest festival

[wanton roost]

I heard from some ppl the files of the guest were called fakeguest right?

[silver vine]

wdym "original guest"

he wasnt always a bird man?

[wanton roost]

we have no idea tbh nikita said the vandals aren't a cult and literally most of the townsfolk or actually everyone in the town for now is doing this guest festival to theo its def a guest "ritual"

[ripe berry]

it's practically spelt out to us this thing, at one point, was the Guest

[ripe berry]

it was a part of a town ritual, seemingly with the intent of keeping the town safe from the storms

[dusty trench]

And even The Guest HN3 design is more similar to the original Guest design aswell.

From the Forest Dwellar statue.

[silver vine]

what is "this thing" actually

[ripe berry]

(ignore the mockup in the image)
the idea seems to be that overtime the Guest turned from the Park Mascot/Ritual/whatever thing into the one we see in the games

turned from a symbol of the town to a symbol of greed and destruction

(afk)

[silver vine]

damn, just like old times

wouldnt you agree Mike

[wanton roost]

cartreturnwhen

[dusty trench]

And even to add onto this we see this theme of company destruction with the Cult over the years and the golden apple aswell. From being interesnted in the science of weatwhr snd ravens, to becoming a greedy society onsessed with ravens and comparing suoernatural stuff to real world science. Being obsessd with controlling life.

And lets not forget this here aswell 👆

[wanton roost]

I wish I had embeds but this newspaper in hn3 it looks like theos sister and franklin

[silver vine]

damn

why did they cancel the guest festival actually?

[wanton roost]

I'm not saying they are but I mean we have no clue about the sister in the books

[dusty trench]

Not sure

Actually well it was probably because later on the symbol of the raven man was destructed as an seen as an omen and sin and impacged the tonw bad so they shut it down because of contaversey.

And we see that it was cancelled later on from the deep past in 1980.

[dusty trench]

Although 👆

[ripe berry]

yep... I guesss

[ripe berry]

second image comes from this picture in the cinema (don't got a hq version of this atm)

[ripe berry]

(this has nothing to do with who's under the costume btw)

[stiff spire]

Looks cool

[ripe berry]

also-
potential reference to Franklin in the games

[wanton roost]

yeah and his sister

[unkempt sleet]

oop wait

[eager island]

i think theyre just randoms

[unkempt sleet]

the texture

forgot to spoiler it

[versed yacht]

I wonder who the girl is

[wanton roost]

theo sister!111!11

[sick bone]

This guest kid?

[unkempt sleet]

no thats a puppeteer and a puppet

[sick bone]

Make sense

Bro this guest

[stiff spire]

Yes

[quasi wave]

what evidence is there to back that tho

[eager island]

nikita said this either on reddit or youtube q&a

[quasi wave]

well, im gonna need proof

[wanton roost]

he did say that tbh just checkkkk

[eager island]

its in youtube q&a for sure

https://youtu.be/6X3_w2vANW4?t=7153

yep

[wanton roost]

That pfp reminds me of old times lol

Tinycros

[eager island]

@quasi wave here it is the exact moment of confirmation

[eager island]

fr

[quasi wave]

does this look good?

[ripe berry]

yes, but you need to add Hello Neighbor: Waking Nightmare (after Missing Pieces but before Act 1) and Hello Neighbor: Buried Secrets (events directly leading up to and including Act 1)

I'd also personally move Secret Neighbor to "Not Enough Evidence to Conclude", but that's just me

[nimble jetty]

That boy in the newspaper looks like Franklin

So yeah definitely

[nimble jetty]

I mean

Act 3 originally wasn’t intended to be a dream

It was intended to be a metaphorical world that represented self therapy

But that was retconned kinda

[vagrant igloo]

sn should be before hnvr

[quasi wave]

before search & rescue?

[vagrant igloo]

yes

sn is the kids planning on saving Nicky
not actual events

[quasi wave]

search & rescue is more of a retelling of the same story only in vr

[vagrant igloo]

sn is still before hnvr

[nimble jetty]

Theodore Roosevelt had a son named Quentin

So in the games

A guy named Quentin investigating a guy named Theodore is pretty coincidental

[wicked heath]

ok

[glacial whale]

Pulling at straws there

[nimble jetty]

What

[glacial whale]

I put it wrong just never mind

[nimble jetty]

Oh you replied to the wrong thing you mean?

I mean, all I’m saying is that based on what I said

A guy named Quentin meeting and investigating a guy named Theodore, who has a brother named Franklin, is very coincidental

[marsh idol]

it's now possible that peterson killed most of them maybe?
https://x.com/tinybuild/status/1990382727225569675?s=46

[sick bone]

No @marsh idol @marsh idol @marsh idol @marsh idol

[dusty trench]

I mean we know that he has killed some and even shown in the teasers for season 3 previoulsy of them hung up and they were probably killed by him since in multiple teasers where we see hima and especailly one with his face is upclose we see hung cult members behind him. But this teaser you showed, I dont thinkthats Mr. Peterson since if you look to the bottom right and look at the shoe it looks wayyy more like the guest shoe than Petersons boots (since this season he’s in HE attire). And if you look uo a bit you see legs that matches the guest legs, and look up even more and you see what looks like a little bit of a cloak that is a different color from the cults. Idk I dont want to say anything now, im just pointing out what I notice.

[potent harness]

Yeah it's definitely the guest in the latest teaser
Here's a side by side with his and Ted's boots

It's barely noticeable but if you look closely
you can just make out that he's wearing his cloak

[dusty trench]

Yea it has to be The Guest

[marsh idol]

SO excited

[vagrant igloo]

it appears to be the hg guest with a cloak

instead of just
the patch 9 guest

[tiny verge]

Patch 9 Guest is literally just the Beta texture but darker

and different dirt patterns

[vagrant igloo]

no

his textures are custom

[tiny verge]

I can't really pull the texture up right now but on his texture, that little bag thing is still there despite the Guest not having it anymore

even if I could pull it up I couldn't post it

so it's still the Patch 9 design, just that the show is alot more brighter and vibrant so it looks like it's not

but the colors of the outfits are still the same across designs, just different levels of brightness

[nimble jetty]

Someone in a TinyBuild post’s comment section pointed out that it’s in the tunnels

The same tunnels that Franklin was in when the beam hit him

This teaser also shows that the Guest does not like the cult and finds them as a nuisance or something

[prisma cypress]

Hmm. I just joined this server. Not sure what the previous conversation was about...

But I have a question. Does anybody think that the books were TRULY de-cannonized in favor of Welcome to Raven Brooks?

Or do we think that Welcome to Raven Brooks serves solely as a "soft cannon" and the true lore still favors the books?

[nimble jetty]

“Everything is canon, just not in the way you think” - Nikita

[prisma cypress]

...

Well, yeah.

I know.

I was asking which piece of media do you think is favored more as cannon than the other.

They do completely contradict each other. One of them HAS to come on top.

[tiny verge]

plot twist we were all wrong about the perspectives and it's all just a simulation that Faust Peterson (the devil) runs random people into in order to take their souls

for legal reasons this is a joke

[wanton roost]

I wonder who

[stiff spire]

I guess you could say they were a nuisance to his plans and wanted them to get out

[vagrant igloo]

books are entirely canon

[prisma cypress]

I always thought so.

[willow depot]

Hard to say

Kinda comes down to Nikita and Alex writing their own almost seperate HNs lol

Nikita's being HN1, HN3 and the books, Alex's being HN2 and AS

[unkempt sleet]

Are they though
Books have contradictions as much as the AS does

For example the entire Golden Apple Amusement Park gets removed in Book 3 yet it's still there in both HE and HN3

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think theres any media that comes on top

[willow depot]

And it's not like it would be the ideal vision or that something changed along the way

Hello Guest for example was also just gonna have the park standing

And it'd take place after Act 2

So there's contradictions not just across the series as a whole but in the very narratives that pieces of media are supposed to complete

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[wanton roost]

They gotta give us a good reason by "not in a way you think"

[dreamy sluice]

it's both and it always was both
in both versions of the hn1 plot (minus devil plot, obviously), nicky goes to bed and then dreams about allat, getting over his fears by the end (as shown by the fear minigames and the sad murder of the thing)

well, he went to bed and dreamed in alpha 2
in the betas he sort of just reminisces the whole time from what i can tell

yk what daydreaming is still dreaming, it counts

[silver vine]

And SN

[unkempt sleet]

SN can be explained since all the maps are not exactly real

[inland folio]

the book ate the golden apple amusement park

trust

shocking hn facts

#1

[marsh idol]

they are canon, stated that all medias unless stated otherwise are canon.

they have contradictions though which is something i cannot deny

it's becoming inconsistent, but who knows they may fill the holes in

[unkempt sleet]

I'm not saying they arent canon

[hearty wedge]

Guys, I haven't had access to the books yet, but I'd like you to clarify something for me. Where in the timeline do Raven Brooks Disaster and Reset Day take place?

I've seen many people saying that it takes place after Act 3. But others say it happens before because the city is a bit run-down and the Petersons' house is destroyed.

[wanton roost]

so

lets talk lore

[wanton roost]

takes place in 2021 iirc

[glacial whale]

Lore you say

[ripe berry]

Reset Day is 2021, Raven Brooks Disaster is unclear

[wanton roost]

for the reset day

[wanton roost]

do we know if reset day happens before or after raven brooks disaster tho

[ripe berry]

RD is after Raven Brooks Disaster

[wanton roost]

hmm

[ripe berry]

all we know for sure is GN2/RBD is somewhere between Hello Engineer/Hello Neighbor 2 Base Game (whichever you believe comes after the other) and Reset Day

[wanton roost]

yeah this is so confusing for me idk which to choose either the 90s or 2023/2024

[ripe berry]

all that can really be listed for a (Mostly) unbiased timeline is:
Bosco Bay/GN1
Bad Blood
Grave Mistakes
Puzzle Master
Missing Pieces/HNHS
Waking Nightmare
Buried Secrets/Act 1
HNVR
HN2
Act 3 + Finale
HND
Reset Day
HN3
since AS, SN, HE, and GN2 have a bunch of debate around them

[vagrant igloo]

sn is after act 1 and before hnvr

[ripe berry]

there's some evidence in the game that makes placing it in a timeline harder then you think

[vagrant igloo]

wdym

[ripe berry]

Ted's house is implied to be abandoned by the time of SN

[vagrant igloo]

oh yeah
then it would prob be a bit before act 3 and after hn2

[ripe berry]

if you use the AS then Quentin was also not in town until after HNVR

granted... that's the AS

[vagrant igloo]

as is just a retelling honestly

[ripe berry]

HNVR and the AS don't exactly work together... (Guest doesn't even exist in it's current form yet in the AS)

[vagrant igloo]

the AS itself happens in 2000s but the events take place in 1996
meaning
it's most likely just a retelling of he story based on memories from the rescue squad

the memories could be distorted explaining the phone and some errors

[ripe berry]

yo I believe that too

that seems to be the general idea they're going for

[vagrant igloo]

yea

[ripe berry]

HN3 alone very heavily implies it because a WHOLE ENDING is proof for the theory

[ripe berry]

not to mention Map 3 was at one point named "Storm is Coming"

and that one SN Brawl Map that looks like a storm aftermath

afk

[vagrant igloo]

and it's really the ONLY way that the lore makes sense

cuz otherwise things make zero sense

[wanton roost]

I dunno about that the the guest probably did have his form in the AS in season 2

I'm not sure maybe I'm wrong

But in ep 1 s2 the first guest/crowface encounter disappears and not just that even that crowface or guest beak Is open the rest of the episodes didn't have the cultists beaks open

[vagrant igloo]

we have not seen the guest in s2 at all and he isn't even around yet, as we will see his origin in season 3 and it won't be a flashback

[wanton roost]

Whatabout evil crow with red eyes

Well I'm not saying that my theory is true tho I just think it's kind of suspicious

Out of all other crowfaces this one has its beak open and disappears

[vagrant igloo]

??

[wanton roost]

evil crow with red eyes

[vagrant igloo]

like i said, the guest is not in the AS yet

[wanton roost]

yeah sure ik but it's still a theory

That maybe it is or not.

[sick bone]

İt crow just

[stuck tendon]

So is It the guest in the new sneak peek?

[woven stratus]

what if the guest is the shadow from the first game that take physical form

[ripe berry]

false
Alex said we have seen the Guest in a way

meaning that while the Guest won't look like how we know them yet, they have made an appearance

[wanton roost]

so this could mean that my theory is true or he's talking about the bird

but if that was said still likely

[sick bone]

İmposible

[vagrant igloo]

he also said this

[wanton roost]

Maybe "you will see exactly how the guest will come to be" means that it'll reveal what's behind the beak or smth

like who the guest is basically

[vagrant igloo]

no
comes to be means
created/origins

[wanton roost]

it can still explain the "behind the beak" part cuz if it was how he was created it'll either be in mayak tunnels where franklin fell or another location and a completely different character

I don't rlly know why this is tied with when we seen the guest in the AS before

[glacial whale]

The neighbors sister returns for this moment!

[dusty trench]

@vagrant igloo I believe this message can tie into what your pointing out.

Especailly this too from Alex (click on it to see Alex’s other messges right below).

[vagrant igloo]

ok

[nimble jetty]

Wait so are you suggesting that like

Some time loops aren’t actually time loops and are just like

Old memories? Or something like that idk

[prisma cypress]

Really? I always thought Hello Guest would have had to have taken place around the middle of Grave Mistakes.

You know, there is that one line about a missing security guard for the GAAP that kept re-appearing.

[nimble jetty]

Late reply but… was that you?

[nimble jetty]

Also you mentioned how the Guest, the storm, and some portrayal thing with influence (idk what you are referring to with this) are evidence that time loops and manipulation are still a thing in HN

But how are they evidence tho?

[dusty trench]

no read the message

[nimble jetty]

I did

[dusty trench]

Oh… Well I specifically said that they are still an actual thing within the universe. Like The Storms, The Guest, and The Time loops exist within universe… But they just have an impact on the characters mindset and perspective based on how they view the situation.

[nimble jetty]

I’m having a bit of a hard time understanding what you mean

[nimble jetty]

Also in like the original message it seemed like you were saying some things aren’t time loops and it’s just people constantly stuck thinking about something

So you clarified that time loops and time manipulation still do exist in the world

But then you said that they are still time loops based on this reply I think idk

[marsh idol]

i do not think he clarified time loops and time manipulation being existent, it’s probably just wording

[marsh idol]

i THINK he means the term time loops is a thing but it’s not what you think it is

[nimble jetty]

“Now im not saying taht time loops and time manipulation isnt an actual thing in the franchise cause it is, but like the guest and teb storm and the portrayal thing with influence, the way that the time loops have influenced the characters makes the characters minds portray it in a symbolic way to represent whats actually going on.”

[dusty trench]

idk why its in this text box but what ever. Also sorry for any spelling errors and I hope this is more understandable for you.

[dusty trench]

And mb for the wording of the messge your questioned about.

[dusty trench]

In a sense of depth

[dusty trench]

I did clarify that they do exist. Time loops clearly exist and that is also time manipulation since like we see in HE with Peterson experimenting with time. And its also used as symbolism in many ways.

[dusty trench]

And why I brought up The Guest and Storms is because just like how there is depth and symbolism expressed with time in hello neighbor, I brought up how the storms and The Guest as and expample of charaacter and event that is also expressed and portrayed in a symbolic way with deeper metapphorical depth in the characters mindsets.

[nimble jetty]

I think I might know what you mean but I’ve narrowed it down to two things

1. When they are in loops, when they are still in the loop when it reaches the modern world, modern stuff enters the loop

Or

2. When leaving the loop, it still feels like they are reliving the same thing over and over, causing modern things to influence or infiltrate their memories because again

It feels like they are reliving it over and over or that it happened recently. They can never let go of the past

[dusty trench]

All of this. And also with both options you said which I agree with but it also has more depth like especailly with the AS with the modern technology (and also if we make timeline estimates) it appears that it takes place in the 2000’s and so that modern technology interfears with the past in the kids mindset. So yes, all of this is what im thinking.

[nimble jetty]

Wait I don’t get what you mean by more depth

[dusty trench]

The more in depth is like how the story of hello neighbor is told in a psychological way through alot of symbols and metaphorical material, to futhur build up the story and spread a messge with the story telling. And that more in depth way of showing stuff with the characters, dialouge, and events, and actions aswell as alot of what we see through out the franchise is all because, the story of hello neighbor is told through the mindsets of characters and how theyre mindsets portray whats going on based on emotion, and the impact of the events and many more relating to the characters. They do this so that we can solve the full narrative and perspective of each character so we can know whats really going on and what the messages are. And that gives it more depth to understand our surroundings, the characters and the overall messages through out the hello neighbor universe.

[wanton roost]

Yes

[willow depot]

I mean as far as the Nikita interview goes Ted would literally be hiding from legal tension

But who knows maybe it changed along the way

[nimble jetty]

I mean

We were talking about how modern things slip into the memories to make it feel like they are reliving it over and over

But I guess this could also be related to what we were talking about since it’s like

Memories changing to relate to other trauma too. Idk. You get what I mean right?

For an example, Nicky being alone in HN1 while having friends in the AS could be symbolic for Nicky feeling like throughout his adventures, he was alone because nobody supported him

[marsh idol]

so sci fi

[stuck tendon]

Guys does anyone know if they are going to do subtitles for AS?

My father is a big fan but he has a hard time with understanding the automatically generated subtitles especially since they have to be translated to Italian too for him to understand

So it's a mess Lol

[lean flicker]

AS?

[tiny verge]

Animated Show

people need to use "WTRB" to shorten the name

[glacial whale]

It’s just quicker to put AS than WTRB

But both work

[dusty trench]

Explain what you mean by memories changing to relate to other trauma. I just want to make sure you mean what I mean.

[dusty trench]

yea

[willow depot]

It's not even really just a "feeling" thing they actually just bailed on him and Trinity when it was time to loot the house

Then he spent his own break-out in a face bag

Then Trinity locked him in the basement

[nimble jetty]

I mean like

In HN1 there is no one else other than Nicky unlike the show because it represents or symbolizes Nicky being lonely

Unless that’s not what you were saying

[dusty trench]

Yes that is what I am saying and did use Nicky as an example. And yes while the AS has a lot of evidence sround that so do the books and even the games. Like I mentioned with the books we read that characters like Trinity have slowly drifted away from him and slowly distances herself from him ans even Enzo with him slowly arguing with Nicky overtime, as well as Maritza with her also arguing with Nicky and not trusing him either which later on when Nicky discovers the tapes, he doesnt care about telling everyone else if they arent gonna believe him. And not just his friends either but also his parents and other across town dont trust him either like in AS where Nicky is even blamed for a lot of stuff. And even in SN S&R, HE, and SN with the rest if the gang stuck thinking about that moment in regret of the way they treated Nicky and niw feel what he feels. And why in HE when they escape the timeloop, its also showing in the kids mind that they are becoming happy again and escaping theyre fears. And even in S&R we see the reason why its portrayed at the end the kids saving Nicky is representing how they learned from theyre mistakes and are gonna try and grow in the future, and that they wish they can say sorry to Nicky. Like the idea of Nicky still being theyre and forgoving them gives them hope. Like the kids see him as a symbol of hope and gettong closer to him means getting away from theyre fears. And even in SN it means all of the same thing since they tease the sandbox ending of HE with the kids escaping the loop with the rocket event, and the whole entire auperhero event with each player being one if the rescue squad and them taking down peterson and him going to jail which also in that way represents the AS aswell. And even in HN1 and HND it has this representation aswell in Nickys perspective

[dusty trench]

Like the reason why in HN1 its just Nicky and Mr. Peterson (other than development and it being the 1st game) is because its Nicky going through his memories. Like Act 1 is Nickys child mind taking place within that timer period, just showing his mindset portray stuff. And Act 2 is a distorted memory that adult Nicky is going through, and even the nightmare sequences in act 1-2 take place when Nicky is an adult having nightmares about the past. And act 3 is a representation of Nicky self therapy with just the main picture. Him, Mr. Peterson, and cardboard cutout of Aaron as symbolism, and even reference to Mya in the picture aswell as Diane and her grave. And wven the mini games with Nicky facing his other fearsr earning abilitys as representation of him using his mind and fixing his emotions to be happy and stronger than his fears. And we have the thing which is the fear and trauma as a concept. And even why it doesnt have any other characters besides those and the ones represented that are the main picture is because Nicky is taking out the stiry around it and even tho the mini games represent stuff like the school and the store is showing the general idea. Like how in school no one believed him, people made fun of him, and no one listened to him. And how the store there was the whole incident in Ms. Tillmans store that happened with him and Aaron. And even more mannequin stiff and the missing posters represents hiw Nicky was framed for having the newspapers and missing postersnunder his bed, and even the mannequins being placed around places in the town from the books. Its the general idea that Nicmy is focused on. Himself and getting apst his fears with him and the Petersons, not anything else going on around him. And in HND after act 3 he is moved in and he find a box with alot of old stuff from his past and we go into his mindset which represents him trying to actually remember fully what hapoened with the past and get the details, and discover what was going.

And discover what was going on with the other characters so he can figure out what was going on around him. And even try to remember alot of the stuff he has heard about in the basement centering around what was going on around the town and around him that he doesnt fully remember becaue of his trauma taking over as we see in S2. And in S2 we here that he knows a lot about what happened around the town aswell as even he learns stuff about the cult as he gives Trinity an idea to go to the amusement park but instantly regrets it. And he knows that the town is just gonna get worse as time goes on and hes worried about his friends. And this is why in HND we see more of the other characters and learn more exactly what happened is because he is actually tryuong to remember and think about what was going on so he can discover more of what was happening around him and what he was going through. And why we also see and get more representation of the rest of his friends and see character like Ms. Tillman or Keith the officer.

[tiny verge]

by two letters which only creates confusion

[tiny verge]

sci-fi would actually explain alot of the weird stuff that comes off as supernatural but apparently isn't meant to be supernatural

[glacial whale]

Most people I’ve seen here would just put AS so that’s where I picked it up from. It could be confusing to people that don’t call it that.

[wicked heath]

People have been calling it AS for the long period between pilot and the first episode

I still use AS to this day

[tiny verge]

I've seen more use WTRB

[tiny verge]

I don't imagine the confusion wasn't there back then either

AS is too uninformative and vague

[wicked heath]

No it was 100% clear back then

We didnt have another name for it anyways

[wicked heath]

Then again you joined the server like a month ago

So i kind of expect this from you

[tiny verge]

that doesn't change that it's vague..?

I never even seen people use it anywhere else before the show

[wicked heath]

Its not for people who have been in this server for longer

[tiny verge]

alright think about it this way
even back then there are people who would not know that you mean "animated show"

especially since animate has a different shortened word

[wicked heath]

Ppl understood and thats a fact

End of conversation

[frigid trellis]

If you think about the Neighbor he is not a bad guy because he lost his family and he wants to be left alone

[tiny verge]

typically along the lines of "anim"

[tiny verge]

Idk maybe I'll have to use the search tool

[wicked heath]

AS was already adopted in the vocabulary of HNG members

Obv this doesnt apply for you who joined the server in october

[tiny verge]

firstly

@languid sonnet

secondly, I already know what it is

and I still think it's a terrible name

nobody anywhere else uses it but here

it's unnecessary confusion

[wicked heath]

?

[wicked heath]

Thats on you

[tiny verge]

no, it is not if no other part of the community uses it

and again I already said I understand it

I've already been told what it means

just because I understand it though that doesn't mean I have to think it's a good name, I think it's terrible

[wicked heath]

Well good for you

[glacial whale]

No I mean I got confused too

Like back when people would say NFT for neighbor from trailer

There was a lot I had to pick up on

[wicked heath]

NeighborFakeTrailer?

[glacial whale]

Oh yea my bad

I don’t remember but it was from hn2 alphas

[tiny verge]

I just think the idea that nobody, not even one person back then got confused when shortened terms are actually the number one culprit for confusion online

is ridiculous

[wicked heath]

I mean, yeah, you wouldnt know what an acronym means until someone tells you unless its really obvious

I dont disagree with it

Its the same for every communities

[tiny verge]

you can atleast admit one person got confused
like with WTRB I immediately knew that cause it's super specific

[wicked heath]

Like, in fnaf, we’ve got TOYSNHK

[tiny verge]

what the hell

[glacial whale]

That’s a mouthful

[tiny verge]

what the ###k is that

I'm having a stroke reading that

[wicked heath]

The full thing is already a mouthful

[sick bone]

No bad wording bro

[wicked heath]

Okay calm down

[tiny verge]

dear god

[wicked heath]

Im gonna need you to cool it

[tiny verge]

comedic exaggeration

in this case it is used to emphasize shock for humorous reasons

[sick bone]

Bro it bad wording

[tiny verge]

ok..?

[glacial whale]

It is pretty wild looking

[tiny verge]

Idk I disagree since it's followed up by another exaggeration

[glacial whale]

It’s like throwing a bunch of letters together

[tiny verge]

I'm not literally having a stroke reading that

oh that's what you mean

yeah that was the punchline

[wicked heath]

Do you have a better acronym for TheOneYouShouldNotHaveKilled

[sick bone]

Bro say nonsense

[glacial whale]

Fair point

[sick bone]

What it

[tiny verge]

I'm just gonna say should not killed

[wicked heath]

“Because Shouldnotkilled tortured William” doesnt mean anything

[tiny verge]

it's grammatically incorrect sure but I'm gonna use it anyways

for literally anyone who isn't apart of the specific section of the community

[wicked heath]

No one would understand anyway since no one says that

[tiny verge]

and most likely only saw MatPat's theories

[wicked heath]

What were we talking bout again? Lore?

[tiny verge]

while that's the channel name, this topic started off this about community shortened names

[glacial whale]

Just the show being shortened

[wicked heath]

Convenience

[tiny verge]

and it can be as long as it's not terrible

[glacial whale]

Guys I’m sorry I will never go off topic again!

[tiny verge]

cause bad shortened names exist

[wicked heath]

You shall be locked in mayak for 24 hours

[tiny verge]

and even if AS was fine at one point, it's clearly aged badly

not like fine wine

[tiny verge]

it's fine

[glacial whale]

Okay here I go I guess

[tiny verge]

it'll happen from time to time on any server

honestly probably moreso my fault

since I kinda opened the topic up to begin with

[wicked heath]

You get to know all the lore of HN and explode from such forbidden knowledge

[glacial whale]

The greatest way to go

[tiny verge]

good luck

and tell us if the Guest really is a crow man cryptid or if I've been wrong the entire time

[marsh idol]

yea it's just machinery

science*

[wicked heath]

Sci-fi is the answer to the storm and the bad luck at the very least

The guest, I have no idea

[tiny verge]

I think he's jus a cryptid

which is more folklore than supernatural

mythical basically

[marsh idol]

bad luck isn't actually bad luck as i know it

[tiny verge]

it's mostly something from the luck devices I think

which

come on luck devices are so extremely sci-fi

[marsh idol]

yea so the luck devices arent actually controlling luck

it’s controlling the weather to make it look like bad luck to the town, it’s weather devices but they’re called luck devices

[tiny verge]

I think that is how they work

but I also think the characters believe in them too

since while the pilot isn't canon anymore, Peterson shows it off as if he's protected by it

so the characters probably believe that they actually do grant luck when they probably just trigger the Mayak

[dusty trench]

Yea I can see this aswell.

[marsh idol]

yes

as realistically you cannot control an abstract concept

[tiny verge]

my question is who made them

[inland folio]

ermmm

uh

the milk bottle

[tiny verge]

yeah

[inland folio]

wait thats not a person

[tiny verge]

yeah no it's the milk jug

[inland folio]

the neighbor iunno

[tiny verge]

from Alpha 2

it's the milk jug from Alpha 2

mhm

[reef pelican]

hello guys

can yall help me with smth

i cant play hello neighbor

it freezes and closes in the loading screen where the clock is

can yall help me cuz i have been for 3 hours trying to fix it

[marsh idol]

wrong place

[reef pelican]

wydm

[wicked heath]

Hello, Bendy discord member

[marsh idol]

yes i noticed

[marsh idol]

this is lore discussions.

[reef pelican]

but still can yall help me

[wicked heath]

Turn off wifi

[marsh idol]

i forgot everything about MAYAK but i think it could be the raven society BEFORE the bullies who made these luck devices, taking control of MAYAK’s unstable technology and used it as their own

this is passed down

the giant laser, the storm machine, the water-structure under the hill all come from ancient mayak tech already buried under raven brooks.
this tech predates the town and even the original festival

and the original raven society used the MAYAK technology to construct luck devices

[tiny verge]

makes sense, could also explain why there's apparently an abandoned section of the town that was planned for Act 2

[potent harness]

For those wondering what the blurred text was in WTRB's character wheel

Here you go

Turns out that it's Aaron who was censored on the character wheel this whole time

[marsh idol]

strange,what secrets does aaron have to hide??

thay hes trapped by his father ?

[dusty trench]

“Aaron Petersen’s Son”

Are we dead ahh

😭✌️🥀

[potent harness]

Yeah the presentation had quite a few misspellings and typos

Maritza was mistakenly labeled as a boy in the character wheel

[dusty trench]

yea i watched the original video with the slides.

[nimble jetty]

Sorry for the late reply but yeah

I do think that is what is happening

Hello Neighbor is a very metaphorical and symbolic game

Tho what do you mean by “it doesnt have any other characters besides those and the ones represented that are the main picture is because Nicky is taking out the stiry around it and even tho the mini games represent stuff like the school and the store is showing the general idea.”

[nimble jetty]

Wait so when you get caught in HN1 and you restart at your house

Is it because you are in a time loop or

Also wouldn’t the thing Alex said about the town feeling like the 90s in terms of tech mean that it takes place in the 2000s yet has 90s tech

And not that it takes place in the 90s and it’s a flawed memory so it has 2000s tech

[reef pelican]

what does that have to do?

[safe charm]

@bronze jetty well the whole town of raven Brooks is trapped in a time loop

And the guest has kidnapped enzo

The guest is the Main antagonist of the book

[bronze jetty]

So it takes place in the future or

[safe charm]

Yes

Likely after or slightly before act 3

[bronze jetty]

Who’s the protagonist

??

[safe charm]

Piper

A girl who’s moved into town with her family

[bronze jetty]

Oh

Is Nicky in the book

Or Aaron

[safe charm]

Nope but they’re talked about

[tiny verge]

it's 1996

[tiny verge]

he accidentally killed his sister

that's a pretty big secret I feel

[nimble jetty]

Then idk why Alex worded it like he meant it takes place in the 2000s with 90s tech

Unless I’m misreading it

[tiny verge]

I think it's mostly just

the kids are older and retelling the events in the late 2000s

[marsh idol]

ion know he's trapped in his dad's basement, i think he's fine

that secret ain't coming out

[tiny verge]

fair

[simple notch]

i think that the guy who knock out Quentin in the end of hn2 is pre Alpha Man 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[grizzled bough]

quentin was the investigator right?

[simple notch]

wes

[grizzled bough]

wes

[simple notch]

wes 🤑🤑🤑

[inland folio]

shocking facts:thats just the neighbor model

[grizzled bough]

woew

[inland folio]

with no hands

[simple notch]

is his twin brother

[grizzled bough]

his brother long gone

[simple notch]

but with câmera debug, only show the shadow ☝️☝️☝️

[grizzled bough]

they fcked up the character designs for hn3 😭

[inland folio]

thats because hes outside the map?

[grizzled bough]

ong bro

wdym green and purple people

[simple notch]

no.

[grizzled bough]

were they intoxicated by some

ancient virus

[simple notch]

its bcs he is my dad

[inland folio]

something called artstyle genius

you cant expect every single game to have the same exact artstyle

[grizzled bough]

doesnt match the old artstyle genius

[simple notch]

he does'n exist 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[inland folio]

wdym old artstyle

from the hn1 alphas or what

[grizzled bough]

hn1 or hn2

they dont exactly match eachother

but they have similarities

the new one got nun

[inland folio]

why do people not understand

that hn3 is something diffrent

its not like hn1

nor hn2

its a cozy and eerie game where every step you take is the right one according to the steam page

[grizzled bough]

eh alr ig

hopefully will have same puzzles

or atleast same difficulty

[inland folio]

so far hn3 doesnt really have puzzles

[grizzled bough]

thats what made the game kinda good

[inland folio]

you just find stuff and put them on a specific place

[inland folio]

the game is still quite difficult

[grizzled bough]

boring gameplay, hopefully the finale will have puzzles

[dreamy sluice]

hn3 is much more exploration centric than the other two

it wants you to have fun doing your own thing rather than sticking to the goal of fixing the statue

[desert ether]

Hn3 is a sandbox-ish game btw

There is no wrong action

Your only threat is the storm

You just explore the map doing random stuff cuz they want to focus on the sandbox element

[grizzled bough]

ohhh

so sandbox

[desert ether]

I mean, the game will most likely have puzzles, but as I said

A sandbox

[desert ether]

To get some important items for the story

[dreamy sluice]

so glad the sandbox is back after they brutally murdered it in hn2 🩷

[marsh idol]

what was the concept of Raven Online or whatever that was again?

i totally forgot about that game but i remember it was a cool concept

was it thay each player had to make their own contraptions and protection for their houses and prevent the other players to break into their house and instead you try to break into theirs?

[wicked heath]

Somehow it works

[dusty trench]

RBO was a game that Nikita envisoned to be open world physocas based online game that would be competative where you can break into other players houses and and protect your own and have procedurally generated maps where the game can run whill offline aswell. There would be NPC’s aswell and there was crafting, pushing, blocking (and even a planned feature for driving and building in the game). The premist of the original prototyoe was players can eother be protectors of the house, or intruders who rob any good materials and whay has the most money and put it in theyre trunk (the driving feature would be planned here so you would drive away in a chase). And you could trade and sell your items. The money and trading feature was later scrapped for a more survival like gameplay thats still pvp and instead the town would be post apocalytic and the town would have no currency, so you would have to make the best of scraps in the map. but have an erie feel that was action packed with cool survival like that still had the physics based pvp gameplay and be similar to Rust and MC and make worlds. But later on they decided to make it PVE instead to avoid toxicity but also felt like they just didnt have enough recourses and moderation materials to avoid anything against the online rules. And they had the idea of still making worlds like MC but it would be a little different. There woukd be pnline rounds that you could do similar to the original RBO, and they had plans for another mode that you and your friends are put in a differently generated map with multiple NPC’s in an open world. They would make private prototypes and held private playtest and people suggested to not try online multiplayer rn even if its PVE so they decided to just focus on HN3. Which a planned thing wad that RBO was apparently always meant to be HN3, just like you could switch from the singleplayer simulation mode and then the online open world RBO which would have some story aswell but not the big focus.

[dusty trench]

What I mean by this is that Nicky atleast during act 3 is only focused on tryonh to get over the main fear hes going through which is Mr. Peterson and what happesn to him and Aaron. There is symbolism of other fears he has tho, like people talking about him in many ways around school, the store with the whole Ms. Tillman situation, and him feeling weak and small. And we know for other stuff the mini ganes represent multiple things, like the super market and the closet mini game, Nicky when he was 3 years old he was keft insode of the backroom of a suoermarket. And the school representing when he got detention alot snd suspended, the other kids bullying him, no one believing him, including his friends. So the fear tooms represent multiple incidents, but in the game while it has these representations, it focuses on the main fear itself. His anxiety and claustophobia and when he was kidnapped. He is jjst trying to get over the fear of what happened to him, and what happened to Aaron since thats his friend. And in turn since we learn some more about Peterson becaue hes Aarons father and he also kidnapped Nicky. And even kearn more about Diane and Mya in a way and even simbism of the golden apple corp and the amusement oark in a small way that points toreards the events of stuff from before Nicky went to raven brooks since Aaron experienced those things and Nicky learned about this stuff while in the basement and his time afterwards ar Ravne Brookms aswell. And even more of the fact of the Raven Symbolism in the game aswell which obviously from the lore we learn in the series kater in leads to the cult. But HN1 doesnt have alot of that surrounding stuff since its Nickys perspective. He is just thinking abot getting iver his fears and what happened to Aaron sonce they were suoer close. And he isnt thinking abiut any other characters like Ms. Tillman, Officer Keith and other members of town, not even the rescue squad.

[marsh idol]

i see i se

[dusty trench]

And why he isnt thinking about them specifically is because they didnt listen to him, and they were slowly drifting away from him. And they became more part of the stuff that happens around Nicky like after Nicky gets kidnapped as we see in S2 he slowly loses his sanity. So thats why we see In HND, Nicky is now trying to remember what happened in the town and what happened to orher characters like the rescue squad and try and remember more if ehat happened to the town, his friends, and other characters aand understand the reasoning for others actions, and the events leading up to Aaron getting locked up and when Nicky was locked up as and after aswell. Like trying ti understand the specifics of what happened snd not just his fears and what was in the basement and what heppened to Aaron from what he cpuld tell at the time. Now hes trying to kearn more of the other stories leading into Petersons story, like the ravens symbolism full meaning behind it like the characters such as the cult.

[safe charm]

Honestly i don’t Think proper theorizing is Really possible right now

Or well it is but its very hard

Cause every hn media is sorta disconnected from eachother

But im gonna try lol

[willow depot]

It doesn't help how there's no elaboration as to why

Actually the idea of them actually elaborating on it seems scary

Because it's either multiverse, a time loop that differs each time, or the entire timeline is inconsistent merely because it's told from different perspectives

[willow depot]

On paper a neat way to show how different people that were affected differently have different stories to tell

In practice just an excuse to bend the narrative to their heart's content with plenty inconsistencies because, holy heavens forbid, the pov character is someone new

[glacial whale]

They are allergic to consistency

[willow depot]

Perspective theory overall makes little sense from a storytelling perspective

[wary flame]

why are there like 10 different versions on how nicky escapes from peterson in act 2 and what happens after

like in hello neighbor 2 the neighbor’s hiding out at a museum but in the animated series he gets arrested what’s canon

[neat phoenix]

everything is canon

as Nikita said

[wary flame]

okay thats just confusing

[neat phoenix]

the characters have different perspectives

also act 1 and act 2 are jst nightmares

[wary flame]

wait so we can assume the animated series is roughly what actually happened right im gonna assume that

so how is he in that mansion in hello neighbor 2 if he got arrested

[neat phoenix]

He got of jail in the end of Season 2

[wary flame]

completely forgot about the animated series and everything in that

Okay that does make sense then

[wary flame]

okay then im confused on what the point of hello guest was

I have no idea what happened in that game

[wary flame]

Also didn’t know they were making a movie nice

[neat phoenix]

yes

[wary flame]

Like I know that beatrix is presumed dead right or just missing

[neat phoenix]

the only thing not canon here is the pilot episode and the alphas/betas/prototypes

[wary flame]

okay that makes sense now

[neat phoenix]

theory

[eager island]

no

[wary flame]

yeah I never got what happened to her

wasnt she supposed to appear in hn2

[neat phoenix]

they are actually

[wary flame]

Yeah pretty sure they are

the animated series is canon right for the most part

[eager island]

act 1 is real event
act 2 is a real event but twisted in childs mind because he got traumatized

[wary flame]

so I’m assuming when nicky got captured in that thats when he actually got captured

But yeah I knew act 2 was a nightmare too

[neat phoenix]

act 1 is mabye a nightmare but act 2 sure is

[eager island]

its not a nightmare

[polar blade]

Act 1 is real event

[neat phoenix]

act 3 proves it

[polar blade]

That's what shaped the nightmare of Act 3

[eager island]

act 3 is not a nightmare too

[neat phoenix]

alr

[polar blade]

Oh

[neat phoenix]

wait what

[eager island]

its a self therapy

[wary flame]

I know it would take a long time for someone but could someone give me a general rundown of the entire hello neighbor plot as im doing a rewrite of hello neighbor as one big story and i want to really understand everything because theres a lot of things like mayak and the guest and stuff which I just have no idea about

[neat phoenix]

Hello Neighbor 2 canceled

[wary flame]

I know patch 10 was cancelled which was dumb

what was gonna be in that update

[eager island]

patch 10 was never a thing

[wary flame]

I know there was gonna be an extended ending

section

whatever

[polar blade]

I'm fine with it since HN3 will get all the attention and time now, and with how it's being shaped I'm excited

[wary flame]

They still should’ve finished patch 10

[eager island]

there was a planned story expansion which was supposed to in patch 9 but they cancelled it in mid development

[wary flame]

No idea why it all had to be in patches anyway all of the content should’ve been on release

[eager island]

and what we got is pratically a "story and content expansion"

[polar blade]

I hated the fact the guest took 9 patches to add as enemy

He was the only part of HN2 I was excited for

[wary flame]

dude the guest is so underused

I hate how the hn2 alphas are literally nothing like the actual game

when I do the hello neighbor rewrite like actually start writing it I’ll definitely make the hn2 portion of the game what it was supposed to be with all the side content that was scrapped

Also trying to put together an extended ending sequence

I think I would change a lot of stuff around like I have this idea of officer leslie being playable for some chapters

im still in a plot drafting stage

[tiny verge]

I honestly think that the Guest should've just

lurked the town

not be stuck in a section you have to actively seek

the Guest's main thing is that he's always stalking you

he should have been able to roam the town

hell, maybe even enter the buildings

[warm hollow]

So your telling me act 1 is a nightmare but act 3 isnt

who in their right mind

would build i a giant house

[snow fractal]

Pretty sure act 3s a nightmare

Since its an over exaggerated version of the house

[shut elm]

the only thing i know in the lore is that nicky probably has a fear for schools, supermarkets, and the dark

and that's like

the only thing i know

[snow fractal]

Act 2 and 3 are a more accurate nightmare

Of the neighbors house and his experience there

When act three ends the house isn’t over exaggerated

[shut elm]

wait what does peterson even do when he "catches" ricky

[snow fractal]

I believe puts him in the basement

Since we’re a witness technically

[glacial whale]

Please do not edit the message and correct it to Nicky. It just looks cooler with Ricky

[shut elm]

wait
I'M SORRY

[glacial whale]

No no it’s better

Ricky is the main character

[chrome maple]

Ricky noth

[shut elm]

I'M GIGGLING

[chrome maple]

lol

[shut elm]

i'm gonna call nicky ricky now

[neat phoenix]

I made a mistake, act 2, act 3 (dream), and act Finale are nightmares

The only real things are act 1 (Nicky's perspective) and act 3 (apartment section)

Or like the prologue of act 3 is real

[glacial whale]

Sorta a dream but yea not real

[neat phoenix]

Yes

[neat phoenix]

Act 3 is just act 1 but only the change is the giant house

[glacial whale]

Well act 3 and final are supposed to be self therapy but yea the game makes it come off as a bad dream. At the end of the day it’s not real which I think is what matters. As far as act 2 yea I think it’s just some in his head thing

people said the creator said it is self therapy. I might be wording it a little wrong

[neat phoenix]

It is kinda wrong but understandable

[willow depot]

I mean probably just throw Nicky out

According to the books he doesn't really hurt Nicky, instead frames him so the only option of dealing with Theodore left for Roth is to enter the basement solo

And after that is done Theodore just locks him inside do Aaron isn't alone

[neat phoenix]

Nicky was possibly never caught in Act 1, because if it was realistic, peterson would have called the police or call Nicky's parents

[sour dawn]

isnt he eventually locked in the basement

with aaron

[neat phoenix]

Yes

[sour dawn]

k

[shut elm]

you do get catched twice in act 1
one at the start and one at the end of act 1

[sour dawn]

OH YEAH

[glacial whale]

Well with the cult I doubt he would go to the police

[neat phoenix]

Yeah but gameplay

[sour dawn]

i forgot the end

[willow depot]

Kinda hard to say, from a legal standpoint yeah, in-plot however Theodore designed attractions in many amusement parks around the world most if not all of which were controversial

Controversial for injury/death.

[sour dawn]

lucy yi

[willow depot]

Yeah it wasn't his fault but the companies and whatnot were really eager to pin it all on one guy

[neat phoenix]

And Joe

[shut elm]

my headcanon is that when nicky is caught he gets dragged back to his home

[sour dawn]

yep

[sour dawn]

alot of people have that headcannon

[glacial whale]

My headcanon is that Ricky dies

[sour dawn]

.

[chrome maple]

He gets chopped up by butcher neighbor

[sour dawn]

he eventually will in life

what happened to quentin?

[glacial whale]

Dead

Probably

[willow depot]

I don't think those really happened either

Call me book biased but again, in book 3 Nicky ends up breaking apart the three locks on the last basement door and whatnot

Act 1 is also part of the same dream Act 2 is so tiny inconsistencies could happen

[willow depot]

All we know is that he got knocked out and dragged by a cult

[glacial whale]

Don’t take what I said on Quentin true

[sour dawn]

act 1 is part dream?

[shut elm]

who the hell is ricky

[glacial whale]

Yes

[chrome maple]

Ricky noth

[sour dawn]

he means nick

nicky*

[willow depot]

I mean, duh. It's directly connected to Act 2

[sour dawn]

RICKY NOTH

[glacial whale]

No Ricky

The true protagonist

[sour dawn]

edible its "nicky:

nicky*

[shut elm]

ricky noth 🔥

[willow depot]

Ricky went in

Nicky came out

[neat phoenix]

Nicky

[chrome maple]

What if thats pre alpha mans real name

[sour dawn]

OMG RICKY NOTH

[glacial whale]

I know but there was some context you might have missed

[shut elm]

what if nicky was called ricky back then but he changed his name to nicky when he became 18

that might be a peak headcanon

[sour dawn]

.h.u.h.

[neat phoenix]

What if the prototype is the bad ending for hello neighbor

[willow depot]

No his real name is "player_shadow"

Smh fake pre-alpha fans

[sour dawn]

sigh i guess we we are wrong

[glacial whale]

A little bit ago but Ricky sounds cooler as of right now

[shut elm]

HIS NAME is hello neighbor

[glacial whale]

Didn’t fans name him like Andrew?

In some thread?

[sour dawn]

ima play hello neighbor 2

[glacial whale]

I swear there was some name people were calling him

[shut elm]

i headcanon that nicky has a nintendo switch

[glacial whale]

That one sn trailer

The neighbor has one

[neat phoenix]

I mean act 3 is in 2017 or more

[willow depot]

Yeah but the same people who did (mainly Cryxton) are the same people who genuinely believe that the Alpha 1 house is a reflection of his mind and that the school giving you a gun is metaphor for him being a school shooter and that the grave in kickstarter player house backyard is his direct moving and whatever else imaginary sins that they assign to him for no reason

[glacial whale]

What in the actual

[shut elm]

but we have to know which month and day

[willow depot]

So calling the Faust plot protagonist "Andrew Smith" is associating him with all that

[glacial whale]

Okay… forget Andrew

[willow depot]

I'm not kidding!

[glacial whale]

I did not know that

[willow depot]

They made a mod about that kind of thing

Called Into the Mind you might've heard of it but it's kinda off-topic

Just to tell you that what I said is verifiable

[neat phoenix]

April 18

[glacial whale]

I just see things here from time to time and don’t really look into it

[neat phoenix]

Mabye

[willow depot]

I remembered one more

[shut elm]

so nicky having a nintendo switch could be canon

[willow depot]

Remember the "burning" house on a hill in Pre-Alpha which has like two fire particles on the sides

Yeah they said it's his doing

[neat phoenix]

Nintendo switch wash released March 3

[glacial whale]

I really didn’t think much of that though

[shut elm]

also
why does everyone and their mom have this

[neat phoenix]

April 18 because the box says that, tho the box was to alpha 3

[willow depot]

Trust me

[glacial whale]

A popular item in the town I guess

[willow depot]

Bijuum.

[sour dawn]

gasp

[neat phoenix]

"Trust me"

[shut elm]

i headcanon that nicky is able to break the laws of physics

[neat phoenix]

well he is one of the strongest characters in the game

[glacial whale]

Alpha 2 Ricky was op with his ghost mode

[neat phoenix]

with the super throw

but he is L at parkour

[shut elm]

i think peterson is more stronger

[willow depot]

Man I'll take anything over MJ=MITH ngl

[glacial whale]

I really do miss the man in hat character though

[willow depot]

Me too he was so fancy and mysterious

[neat phoenix]

i mean Nicky can send an atomic bomb with that throw

[willow depot]

Ngl he could easily be "ported" to current HN lore from HG

[shut elm]

yes but like
the only thing it does to peterson is just
fall over and then get up

[neat phoenix]

bet he will appear in HN3

[willow depot]

Considering his motivation is finding the Mayak

[glacial whale]

I mean yea because it’s not like we knew much about him anyways

[willow depot]

AS S3 taking place in the golden apple amusement park...

Please Alex I need this...

[neat phoenix]

yeah that guy can easily survive anything when u throw things at him

[neat phoenix]

AS S3, wasnt it Hello engineer?

[shut elm]

peterson is able to tank a bowling ball to the head btw

that's how strong he is

[willow depot]

Yeah

[glacial whale]

Tedor losses his intelligence when across the street from his house as he resorts to jumping

[neat phoenix]

Nicky is bad at parkour and Peterson is bad with his AI

[glacial whale]

No no it’s a power play when he’s fused with the wall

He’s showing how powerful he is

[neat phoenix]

yeah and engineer is in Golden Apple Amusement Park

Some people are saying that Act 1 is a nightmare and some not

[willow depot]

Well

Yeah it is

It's the nightmare of not only Act 1 but Basement and Act 2 that Nicky has on his apartment couch

[glacial whale]

Act 1?

[vagrant igloo]

act 1 is not altered at all in nicky's mind

everything in act 1 actually happens

act 2 is nicky's distorted memory

[willow depot]

Aside from maybe the three locks door that he opens in the books but HN isn't really good with continuity

[glacial whale]

Yea the games the books and show are all over the place. I bet the movie will be different too

Just because

[willow depot]

It's kinda interesting actually because doesn't Nicky only believe into his misunderstanding of "Theodore is a killer" UNTIL he enters Ted's office behind that three lock door?

[glacial whale]

Oh yea he had an office

And then the underground amusement park?

[willow depot]

Yet Nikita says that he only understood Ted as an adult hence adult model in nightmares

He never reached the office in the game so he had to wait until he's an adult to get the grand picture

[glacial whale]

Or something like that

[willow depot]

Ya

[glacial whale]

Well I’m assuming that’s just cause the game was before the books

[willow depot]

Which is... Notable to say the least but Theodore would probably still throw him in with Aaron and the amusement park

[glacial whale]

Then they kept trying to connect stuff but kept adding plot holes everywhere

[glacial whale]

That would be such a cool spin off of playing as either character in that setting. Not sure what it would do for story though

[willow depot]

I mean something to do for Aaron and Nicky so they don't die of boredom

I find it sweet honestly especially in how the amusement park isn't just Aaron's to enjoy but also Nicky's

Yeah they're still literally kidnapped but Ted clearly would put effort into this

[willow depot]

HN1 remake save me

[neat phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-ishowspeed-speeding-please-speed-i-need-this-ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-16620227105127147208

"Alex we need this! Our Neighbor is kinda homeless."

[willow depot]

Would be cool if instead of an exaggerated Act 1 house we'd have the basement and the underground amusement park as the focus in Act 2, with the house itself being more of an endgame location with all the windows boarded up and glimmers of light peeking through

[neat phoenix]

Unused Content, the Guest, change the cardboard people to real characters

[neat phoenix]

yeah and Search & Rescue confirmed that act 2 is a nightmare

because of its end credits

Act 1 -> Search & Rescue -> HN2

[sour dawn]

REMAKE?

[neat phoenix]

Ye they said that there was going to be a remake

[glacial whale]

It was said they might after hn2 was finished but now they are doing hn3 so it’s sorta just I guess up in the air

[sour dawn]

wahhoooo!

[sour dawn]

k

[neat phoenix]

Yeah

Mabye once they finish hn3?

[glacial whale]

When it happens I don’t think anyone really knows but I wouldn’t be suprised if they did remake it

I would hope it’s more in line with the current story stuff and not making more plot holes or some other timeline

And if they do the fear rooms again I wonder if they’d actually do the factory

[sour dawn]

ooo

nice idea

[neat phoenix]

Yeah and the super throw would make sence

[willow depot]

Watch it be inconsistent with every piece of HN media but Diaries

[willow depot]

No, please no more abilities.

[neat phoenix]

Bc act 3 is a nightmare and everything is possible

[glacial whale]

I know I really hope not

[willow depot]

Everything being possible doesn't warrant it being a good idea

[neat phoenix]

Only fear factory

[willow depot]

Case in point HN1 Act 3

[glacial whale]

The only fear room I hate was school

Supermarket was okay but if you don’t know what your doing it’s bad

[neat phoenix]

My least fav is fear darkness

[sour dawn]

so guys

[neat phoenix]

And fear school I once did on 1st try

[willow depot]

I really hope they'll take a page out of the fangames book with the AI and general atmosphere (No I don't want the realistic art-style back.)

[sour dawn]

i never did fear darkness

whats it abt

[neat phoenix]

It's for the double jump

[sour dawn]

ohhh

yeah i beat the game and never did that one

[glacial whale]

The only issue with that is parkour but for me I can’t stand the super fast one in school plus camping outs side the locker

[neat phoenix]

Fear school sucks even tho I did it 1st try

[willow depot]

Say whatever you want about Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1 you gotta admit that him going around being able to sit on every chair in the house and omitting that creepy ambience that was also dynamic was cool as heck

Let alone the house interactiveness expressed through "offline mode"

[neat phoenix]

But in alpha 4 It took me like 10 minutes

[glacial whale]

What platform you played it on?

I know I’ve seen it looks easy on mobile

Unless I just suck

[neat phoenix]

Pc

[glacial whale]

Welp

Didn’t one of the books try to explain the fear rooms?

Like the closet in the store or something

I might have looked too much into it

[neat phoenix]

Never readed the books so ask Pear

[glacial whale]

I remember some guy really believed the neighbor was an alien because some secret neighbor trailer and because in the books the way Nicky speaks saying aliens a lot. Think the guy also tried pointing out stuff like the satellite out of the map in act 3 or because of the radar dish on his house in act 1 which doesn’t make sense at all. A bunch of other nonsense stuff but I don’t know if this was some theory a lot of people believed but I never heard of it until that.

[sour dawn]

guys in hello neighbor 2 beta

what do i do with the lever from inside the robot

[marsh idol]

nobody understood secret neighbor

[neat phoenix]

when does Patch 9 take place?

is it post hn2 or?

[desert ether]

Huh

I mean

I feel like it's a bit separate

But prob after the main events

Of hn2

[ripe berry]

post HN2

[neat phoenix]

alr

[sour dawn]

uh

[sour dawn]

uh

[lethal birch]

uh too

[sour dawn]

lol

[neat phoenix]

The Timeline of Missing Pieces
(HandS = Hide & Seek ; if there are any things that are wrong, please tell me)

HandS Stage 1
Missing Pieces Prologue, Chapter 1-14
HandS Stage 2
HN1 Car Crash Memory
HandS Stage 3
HN1 Hospital Memory
Missing Pieces Chapter 15-17 (Ch17 /From Start to Nicky going to bed./)
HandS Stage 4-5
Missing Pieces Chapter 17 (Ch17 /When Nicky wakes up to End./)

[dreamy sluice]

confirmed somewhere to be the same date as hn1's release

[dreamy sluice]

those who know

[marsh idol]

did we ever know if Theo fed Aaron

when he was in the basement

[glacial whale]

ai slop