lore-discussion

[woeful moat]

whos franklin?

[vagrant igloo]

neighbor brother

[chrome wedge]

Theo's brother

[woeful moat]

thats not in hn3

so hes not the hn3 guest

[chrome wedge]

Isn't there a missing poster of him in hn3

[vagrant igloo]

there's only one guest

[chrome wedge]

I thought I saw one

[vagrant igloo]

no

all the posters are of isaac

[woeful moat]

no there is not
there is a guest in HN2, a guest in the animated series, and a guest in HN3, and a guest in different books
these were all made by different authors, so they are different. hope this helps!

[wanton roost]

He's in the show and tbh there's hints of him being guest tbh

[vagrant igloo]

we haven't seen the guest in the AS

yet

[wanton roost]

Bruh they are all the same it doesn't matter

[chrome wedge]

IK Franklin has to be important

[wanton roost]

It doesn't matter about the authors

[vagrant igloo]

prob
I just hope he isn't guest

[woeful moat]

they are made by different authors, with different intentions and ideas for the plot. if you are discussing Hn3 guest, use information in the game itself instead of the animated series which is separate

[chrome wedge]

yeah i get that. like...

I have watched him frame by frame

[vagrant igloo]

it's the same character dude

[wanton roost]

oh my days bro

[woeful moat]

different creators and people writing the story

[vagrant igloo]

that's like the neighbor being a different person in every bit of media

[woeful moat]

he is the most inconsistently written character ever so yeah he might aswell be

they cant decide if hes fully evil or a sympathetic villian

[chrome wedge]

it is OOZING with care and love for Theodore. I could genuinely write an essay on it. So for Franklin to be hunting down Theodore

It doesn't make sense to me :(

[vagrant igloo]

didn't Alex say the guest origin in the AS won't be a flashback

[wanton roost]

besides everything is Canon that's one way to say it so no they are all the same

[unkempt sleet]

Franklin is probably the host body for Guest

[vagrant igloo]

and Nikita said there were no multiverses or different universes

[woeful moat]

how about in graphic novel 2? does that not directly contradict this?

[vagrant igloo]

guest can possess different people

[chrome wedge]

I don't see how everything can be canon

[wanton roost]

I think I have a theory that the guest takes over bodies like venon

[woeful moat]

nothing is canon

[vagrant igloo]

or at least
it's assumed

[chrome wedge]

There's some main contradictions that come to mind

[unkempt sleet]

GN2 also shows Guest possesing Theodore

[eager island]

aint gn2 is all symbolic

[chrome wedge]

I'm not sure how you'd really. Deal with that.

[unkempt sleet]

so like he could very well posses other bodies

[woeful moat]

canon is the dumbest thing that makes people's brain dumb when they use it for media analysis

[unkempt sleet]

no

the writers intention is definitely not that for GN2, not when they added stuff like a crow whispering pris's name or theodore talking to a crow

the only symbolic part of GN2 is the guest world sequence

[vagrant igloo]

I feel we've lost the plot of this discussion

[woeful moat]

authorial intent is the main point of stories

lore or whatever is just the extra fun content

[marsh idol]

no…

[vagrant igloo]

either way
only one neighbor
only one guest
the end

[vagrant igloo]

have we not seen him do this

possessing the neighbor and such

[marsh idol]

go ahead

[woeful moat]

nope
different authors write this characters in different ways

[marsh idol]

no…

he did..not..

possesses peterson…

[vagrant igloo]

still the same character

[marsh idol]

what.

[woeful moat]

which means theres a neighbor written by nikita, and a neighbor written by other authors
they act different and serve their stories in different ways

trying to align all of it would be impossible

[vagrant igloo]

yes but the neighbor character is still the same

[marsh idol]

are they all not canon

[woeful moat]

canon doesnt matter

[marsh idol]

it, does?

[woeful moat]

nope

[marsh idol]

do you even know what canon means.

[vagrant igloo]

one character can be portrayed differently but still he the same character

[woeful moat]

yes i do

[marsh idol]

if it’s canon, the two are the same.

doesn’t matter if the author is different

it’s approved

and said canon.

[hexed hamlet]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING LET THAT EVAL THANG TORTURE SOME MORE 11 YEAR OLDS BRINGING THEIR DEAD DOGS BACK FROM THE DEAD AND THEN SNATCHING IT AWAY AND CALLING THE CHILD NAMES!!!

[woeful moat]

unfortunately HN doesnt have any of this

[vagrant igloo]

huh

[marsh idol]

any of what???

[woeful moat]

confirmed canon

[vagrant igloo]

Nikita confirmed everything is canon

like literally

[woeful moat]

because they tried labelling everything canon it basically made nothing canon because its all inconsistent

[eager island]

its all campfire stories....

[wanton roost]

I think guest is using Franklin's body in prototype 3 maybe because there is def a reason why he keeps switching bodies. like his skin gets revealed in hn3 and he gets taller maybe if he stays in a body for too long his body will get exposed

[vagrant igloo]

"but not in the way you think"

[hexed hamlet]

Uhm this is what i'm chatting about!!

Hopefully i can send this here??!

[vagrant igloo]

I think the guest is a skin walker of sorts personally

[hexed hamlet]

took this from the little nightmares server as you can see i think hence the whole "ferryman" thing

[eager island]

the real raven brooks vanished, leaving behind mysteries and theories all told by conspiracy theorists

[marsh idol]

if it’s said canon, it’s canon.

#lore-discussion message

[woeful moat]

if everything is canon, nothing is!

[marsh idol]

nothing is changed, just twinkled with.

[marsh idol]

you make literally no sense if you do not understand a simple concept like this.

[wanton roost]

We can hope hello neighbor 3 will give us an answer to the guest of him not being supernatural or the animated series guest episode these are the 2 things I think we probably can get our answer

[marsh idol]

are you nikita? you decide the canon?

[marsh idol]

that speed in prototype 3 does not help the fact he was said not to be supernatural

[unkempt sleet]

technically the pre release builds arent canon so that's a wrong statement aswell

[marsh idol]

yea unless it’s STATED not to be canon

[unkempt sleet]

somethings are canon, somethings are not

[wanton roost]

||the ending where he took off his beak kinda does|| and tbh if the AS doesn't give us an answer what else will?

[woeful moat]

obviously anything that is unfinished isnt going to be something final, but nikita says that everything (finished) is canon
with how inconsistent and redone the story is, basically nothing aligns with a linear narrative that would even need a canon timeline

[hexed hamlet]

still think they're missing out on retconning the guest to be supernatural considering it works well with the whole concept of "being the embodiment of greed and envy and bad luck"

[marsh idol]

a human does not go thay fast

[woeful moat]

every game retells the same story (except HN3) so you just choose which one you like best and make that your ""canon""

[chrome wedge]

||HE TAKES OFF HIS BEAK???? ||

[hexed hamlet]

what about when buddy turnt into a crow and like idk caused a time loop in the future cuz it felt a lil quirky

[unkempt sleet]

tbh most of the things align other than some details

[woeful moat]

canon is one of the dumbest things you canon obsess about if you like a story because it doesnt matter, its all fictional and nothing needs to be officially confirmed to be "real" in the story

[marsh idol]

son what are we saying

[chrome wedge]

isn't there saliva on his beak??? Like, why would that be there is it isn't real??

[wanton roost]

okay? What are you proving here like him being supernatural or what?

[safe charm]

For now i don’t Think guest is a creature

[hexed hamlet]

the guest causes a time loop in reset day does it not??

[safe charm]

||In hn3 at least ||

[unkempt sleet]

the most biggest inconsistencies are just between different forms of media, like books, games and the show

[marsh idol]

i’m saying the speed of the guest in HN3 does not help with the fact hes stated not to be supernautrlac

[woeful moat]

because there are different storytellers for each

exactly what im saying

[wanton roost]

okay Ig you didn't see my hidden message then 🤦‍♂️

[marsh idol]

i don’t recall correctly but thats most likely just dreams and symbolism, you can go search up in this general that explains reset day, he doesn’t cause a time loop.

[unkempt sleet]

there are different storytellers for each game aswell but i'd say the games align together well other than a few small things

[wanton roost]

Besides I didn't even say anything about the speed of guest?

[marsh idol]

i literally know? you said it “kinda does” but i said the speed doesnt help it and pulls it down more.

[woeful moat]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-lady-lore-chinese-lady-donut-shop-gif-2105518950762731648

[hexed hamlet]

Okay well either way i don't think any normal man would do this(Yeah yeah i know it was revealed that the guest is mr peterson in this graphic novel but like we might aswell take into consideration it can shapeshift and also i don't think mr peterson got changed into the guest's clothes THAT quickly while under water..)

[wanton roost]

||I said where he took off his beak kind of does|| where did I ever say anything about speed I just said about his beak

[marsh idol]

and i said the speed contradicts it, i’m not on any side i’m just saying the speed contradicts that “kinda does”

[marsh idol]

yea dreams, illusions, a user named Dark explained so

hes not actually no clipping.

[versed yacht]

if you think about it the story is told much like how the game we happy few tells it's story

one overarching story, different narrators that tell parts of it in different ways because their priority is telling what they saw as important

it's a big web of overlapping perspectives, and one linear timeline isn't really possible because of that

[wanton roost]

I never even thought or thinked about the speed bruh but ok

[acoustic kestrel]

Hello guys, I came here with one mission, to ask one question, do you guys remember a map from Hello Neighbor 1, it had high buildings, black, with glowing yellow Windows, I remember seeing it years ago and never hearing about it again.

[hexed hamlet]

Booo still missing out on the guest being a supernatural freak..

[woeful moat]

which is exactly why canon doesnt matter 😊

just enjoy and analyze each story for what they are

[versed yacht]

that's probably the best way to look at it currently until we get the actual answer with the mayak

and im like 99% sure the answer for the mayak is just gonna be that anyways

[marsh idol]

he has signs of supernatural abilities but he’s stated not to be supernatural and most of the things he does that is beyond supernatural (if you take the VR game) is just a dream

[acoustic kestrel]

Anyone knows what i'm trying to talk about?

[versed yacht]

that's the city that the player (nicky) moves into as an adult

it can be seen in hn2 as well

[acoustic kestrel]

I don't think it's it

[inland folio]

add the mustache

just the mustache back

i need it

desperately

[acoustic kestrel]

I remeber it was full of police cars and ambulances.

[hexed hamlet]

I mean either way i like the possible idea that the guest caused mr peterson to have a car crash while diane was in the car(I BELIVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN ONE OF THE AARON TRILOGY BOOKS DIANE NEARLY GOT INTO A CAR CRASH N SPOKE ABOUT SEEING SMTH RUNNING OUT INFRONT OF HER UNLESS I'M MISREMEMBERING STUFF ??!!)

[unkempt sleet]

that was a cultist

in the aaron trilogy

[marsh idol]

that was the work of the ritual of the forest protectors

after peterson was getting too close to them or something like that

[hexed hamlet]

sighs okay so misremembering stuff got it

Boo the forest protectors they should have locked in and not caused the whole entire town of raven brooks to not get back luck or smth and then get caught by the police themselves like the losers they are

[acoustic kestrel]

A Developer might know what i'm talking about.

[woeful moat]

?

[acoustic kestrel]

It looked like this but

It was a Whole map

And with more builds

[woeful moat]

THIS ONE?

[acoustic kestrel]

YES

YES

[woeful moat]

YAY!!!

hide and seek stage 2

[acoustic kestrel]

OMG HOW DID YOU FIND IT

[woeful moat]

i goggl

googled it

[acoustic kestrel]

I TOUGHT I WAS SCHITZO

[woeful moat]

i asked steam i mean

find out here https://store.steampowered.com/app/960420/Hello_Neighbor_Hide_and_Seek/

[acoustic kestrel]

Damn man

I tought I had the Mandela effect

I haven't seen this map in years

@woeful moat Tysm man

[woeful moat]

u welly

[quick dagger]

We Happy Few mentioned.

[versed yacht]

goated game

[stiff spire]

raven brooks needs to take their joy

[quick dagger]

Deserved so much better than it got, especially with the dlcs being amazing. Lightbearer ftw. Don't want to derail the lore talk tho

[gusty flint]

why are the tunnels in the themepark in the 3rd version of hn3 so deep?

[vagrant igloo]

cult

forest protectors

they worship the guest

[gentle warren]

Oh cuz they all had the same look, so how do we know we ever seen the original in the cartoon

[vagrant igloo]

books

[gentle warren]

Books?

[vagrant igloo]

the books explain the cult a bit more
i think them worshipping the guest is kind of assumed tho

[gentle warren]

But we can never know when the "main" guest appears on screen

(in the cartoon)

[vagrant igloo]

he isn't even in the AS yet

but he will definitely look different

[gentle warren]

The one that gave trinity the letter

That one has to be him right?

[vagrant igloo]

"He isn't even in the AS yet"

and he isn't part of the cult

[gentle warren]

Wait AS?

(sorry im dumb lol)

[marsh idol]

yo is bijuu mike in this server

[marsh idol]

the design is questionable

theres no clear hint they worship him but

[marsh idol]

it was stated he took some form or shape in the show

well i mean a different look

not literal shapeshift

[copper dock]

neighbor made the raven brooks vanish, the end

[tiny verge]

he almost did

via flooding

interestingly enough it was through some weather station, and well Hello Neighbor 3 has alot of storms

perhaps either he, or some other force is once again trying to flood Raven Brooks

[copper dock]

wait i forgot the flood was done by mr peterson during act3 or something like that

and events of hn3 is happening 15-20 years after act 3

[dusty trench]

during gn2

[copper dock]

events of act 1-2 and hn2 is 1995-1996

act 3 is 2010-2015

[dusty trench]

no im talking about when you said the flood during act3

[copper dock]

the flood by mr peterson was told in The Raven Brooks Disaster

[dusty trench]

i know, thats gn2

graphic novel 2

[copper dock]

there is something i don't know

what's that supposed to be

[dusty trench]

what is what?

[copper dock]

oh i just searched up and it is the part of the raven brooks disaster

[dusty trench]

yea, raven brooks disaster is gn2 which stands for graphic novel 2

[copper dock]

i haven't read the book but i just know that mr peterson flooded the town during that period of time

[west falcon]

I think the reason the neighbor appears at the end of p3 is because remember in the show he like hated the cult so maybe he saw the guest festival and Got mad

[copper dock]

or he is giving revenge on raven brooks?

[dusty trench]

https://youtu.be/WKG9gQS8Q6g?si=pUJZqwQAxcuvzsTm

[copper dock]

what's the timeline of gn2

[dusty trench]

yes

[dusty trench]

yes

Mr. Peterson doesnt like that the town is trying to please the guest by buildinga statue and basically worshipping hik so he thinks that they are all part of the cult.

[copper dock]

oh right i forgot his hatred towars forest protectors by remembering a scene when Trinity finds Mr Peterson killed one of them

[dusty trench]

Anyone If your interested in the lore and want to (obviously but i recommend), can start by reading this whole box of text filled with lore and read all the ay down to read a bunch of theories from this lore discussion surrounding hello neighbors franchise and the bigger picture connecting everything in a symbolic psochological way that forms a bigger message. Basically read this all the way back down here. And how its allll about, MAYAAAK… This discussion all the way down covers alot of the missing plotholes woth the evidence we have rigjt niw from all hello neighbor media, aswell as confusions with the series as a whole like characters, timer periods, the timeline, some of the portrayal of supernatural stuff thats actually way deeper symbolic and psychological than most people think, and alot more.

[hexed hamlet]

probs the forest protectors since we know they used the tunnels and the Mayak as a sort of base of operations i believe?? and that they pretty much cursed the whole town with bad luck so maybe they're trying do ohh idk wipe the town out or something to restart it hoping that it'll get rid of the bad luck with it or smth (No idea tbh just sprouting some nonsense out here)

[polar epoch]

I think it’s just a reveal for the next alphas since he will have a bigger role

[polar epoch]

Mayak was Theo’s base of operations

[hexed hamlet]

Didn't the cult also use it though when they stole the whole like "luck" device peterson's parents worked on and like during a thunderstorm it got struck with lightning and case the town into bad luck aswell as them?

[polar epoch]

Yes they did use it

That’s why Lucy died

But Maya was the original target

[hexed hamlet]

rip lucy both died and got whitewashed in the recent artstyle </3

[dusty trench]

you mean Maritza got white washed?

[hexed hamlet]

lucy did too

she doesn't look of an asian heritage in the new artstyle...

[dusty trench]

True

[hexed hamlet]

also yeah!!!! Maritza too

[dusty trench]

also i love this idea

And this to go with it

[tawdry dock]

What if they're all dead?
the guest, the neighbor, or the storm kill them idk
I think they're all dead. That’s why of their colors

Idk it’s something I just thought, it might not make any sense.

I NEED MORE ANSWERS OR CLUES FROM THE CHARACTERS

[polar blade]

They're not dead, the colors are just an art style

[tawdry dock]

I know but its interesting think about it haha

[mighty pasture]

Where is arron in hn 3

[vagrant igloo]

nowhere

[tawdry dock]

With his friend Nicky

[cobalt kelp]

mate

the guest might not be the guest

you know the bad ending there the guest seems to be taking his beak off?

[tiny verge]

honestly I feel if it weren't for every game after Hello Neighbor 1 being unable to use any other house for Peterson, I'd forget the Act 1 house would exist

but because you can't really get around the fact that most of the lore happens in 1996, the Act 1 house has become more memorable

[thorn rover]

When is HN 3 taking place? It's after the HN:diaries, right?

I wonder if they will explain what happened to Nicky or Aaron

[eager island]

yes

[marsh idol]

yea that's what i theorized

the guest we see in HN3 isn't the actual guest

it's just someone pretending to be him

[cobalt kelp]

a better question is where did the guest find such huge pants

[naive ravine]

the lore is so confusing 😭

last year, i remember someone (i think it was alex) saying the show was canon to the games, but now it isn't?

i havent been into hello neighbor for a while now, so i might need a refresher

[tiny verge]

it is

they quite literally say EVERYTHING is canon, just not in the way you expect

it's all different perspectives, as if it's the events being retold

and everyone has different perspectives on how things happen in actual history

[naive ravine]

that is

interesting..

so S&R, Act 1, HN2 and WTRB can all co-exist?

[tiny verge]

yes

[cobalt kelp]

why is everyone either green or blue but the neighbor is white

[polar blade]

The Guest has always worn a beak mask

[polar blade]

Art style choice

[inland folio]

oh my god i just realised what the levels in hide and seek mean

why did it take me so long to figure that out

its litereally how mya sees the world through her imagination i guess? or something like that

like from a warm place

to a cold cruel and filled with sadness place

[wanton roost]

search and rescue is act 2 and season 2 is before hn2 starts

[vagrant igloo]

neighbor is green

[tiny verge]

no he's pale green

really light green color almost can't notice it

but it helps make him look old

as for everyone else...I don't know honestly

I'm still baffled by the decision

[hexed hamlet]

I mean tbh considering that the guest is a widely known entity within ravenbrooks even as a myth i'm sure it's BOUND to have some copycats or smth!

[tiny verge]

the animations in HN2 don't really feel like a mask honestly
I feel the whole beak mask is just a remnant from the alpha days of Hello Guest

like in the full game he looks alot more like he's just naturally a ###ked up bird creature

[vagrant igloo]

I feel like this guest looks a lot more like the book guest

[tiny verge]

I think how he looks in Hello Neighbor 3 is because he's become so intoxicated by all the praise and worshipping he got from the cult that it's physically distorted him over time

literally twisted him into a monster

[hexed hamlet]

raven brooks needs to lock in and imagine the guest being the embodiment of greed and envy again..

[tiny verge]

who honestly sounds like he's suffering

[vagrant igloo]

I think he looks like this due to living in the woods for over thirty years

[tiny verge]

was he not already living in the woods though

I mean, it would make since if not

[vagrant igloo]

not for very long it seems

as his clothes were in perfect condition

maybe a little dirty

[tiny verge]

except the cloak

that thing was tattered up

[vagrant igloo]

true
but he didn't used to have a cloak in the old builds
prob found it

[tiny verge]

I wonder if the cult forced that onto him or if he just put it on because he really liked having people worshipping him

[hexed hamlet]

I mean theres no confirmation the cult even KNOWS about the guest tbh..

[tiny verge]

no damn way, the animated show picks a hole at that entirely

he not once shows up in the cartoon so far, yet season 2 we see multiple of him

the show specifically redesigned the cult attire to look more like the Guest

also HN3 has both the festival and the ritual

[hexed hamlet]

Which is a bit stupid considering the cult are supposed to look like ravens and not crows..

also like all of the lore in all of the medias contradict eachother so like it's hard to tell what's canon n what isn't with the guest

[tiny verge]

the whole thing is confusing when you consider the town is called Raven Brooks, yet there's so much involvement with a crow man

until you realize that in old folk lore, ravens and crows often were mistaken for each other

and well this crow man and these raven attired cultists kind of reminds me of how people of the past mistook the two species

[hexed hamlet]

I mean like....they could have kept the original designs for the forest protectors anyways considering that most if not all of the residents call the guest "the ravenman" anyways despite it ofc being a crow

[tiny verge]

I do think the raven design should have stayed for the cultists too

again they're often mistaken and their attires being ravens only adds to this

and it works because Raven Brooks is all about mysterious stories

and myths

[vagrant igloo]

do we even have confirmation the cult worships him

[tiny verge]

they literally redesigned the cult attire to resemble the Guest

[wanton roost]

I don't think so but there are some facts of them worshipping him one is that the kids from s2 ep 1 got scared from that purple strike and the shadowy figure guest comes out later then they start worshipping guest but there was a cult before the bullies were one another cult that killed theos parents we also have a theory of the guest taking over bodies

[tiny verge]

it might not be a good redesign but they DID redesign them

to deny that they worship the Guest is extremely pointless

it's painfully obvious that they do

they literally spelt it out for everyone

[vagrant igloo]

yea

true

[tiny verge]

now though, I still think they should have had their raven attires

adds to the whole folk lore thing that the people in the folk lore mistaken crows and ravens

[cobalt kelp]

is it just me

or does the guest's beak look fake

also this part kinda looks weird

[tiny verge]

I refuse to believe that even with the bad ending

[brisk hearth]

I get the feeling that the vandals and Janusz serve the cult in the sort of way Otto does in AS. However, I do kinda get forest protector vibes from Jacob due to him being the only character who seems to never get caught in scripted events or otherwise

[tiny verge]

the cult took over the town
but I don't think the towns folk are like, aware that their tradition is s cultish ritual
the vandals absolutely know though and want to do their own ritual

so, yeah the vandals are absolutely tied to the cult

the Janusz isn't though

or atleast not intentionally

[brisk hearth]

Oh btw I might be crazy but can you see a forest protector walking away from the roller coaster on the right side of the screen for a fraction of a second during the beginning of the bad/secret ending?

[tiny verge]

damn what

why are they building a ritual then

[vagrant igloo]

i don't think they are tbh

[tiny verge]

they call it a ritual on their plans

[vagrant igloo]

the plan says to keep isaac in the park until the ritual happens

[brisk hearth]

They might be in a mutual system with the cult

[vagrant igloo]

nowhere does it say THEY are building it

[brisk hearth]

but not actually a part of it

[brisk hearth]

But they are stealing parts to make it

[vagrant igloo]

frick

thank you dyno 😠

anyway
making a guest ritual doesn't really mean they have to do with the cult

[brisk hearth]

I mean yeah they could just be stupid

[vagrant igloo]

how do we know the cult is even still relevant in hn3

[brisk hearth]

here

[vagrant igloo]

lemme watch that ending rq

to see

i think that's just coned broski

[brisk hearth]

oh

he looks larger to me but ok

[vagrant igloo]

i meant coned mb

[brisk hearth]

ok

[vagrant igloo]

it's covered.

[stuck tendon]

Yes it does they literally wrote they want to sacrifice Isaac to the guest

[vagrant igloo]

doesn't mean they are the cult man

[wanton roost]

We don't know who wrote it tbh

[stuck tendon]

Oh yeah I guess that's true, doesn't helping them also sacrifice Isaac tho?

[wanton roost]

Besides the good people are probably misunderstood when they make the statue cuz theo destroys it so it means that the festival they made was also some cult thing

[wanton roost]

Help who vandals?

[stuck tendon]

Yeah

[wanton roost]

Tbh I dunno. if vandals aren't a cult they might just be hoodlums seeing anything then doing it for fun

That's all i can make up we dunno nothing about the vandals but them breaking or stealing stuff

Maybe if we keep looking for lore details In hn3 we might have missed maybe we can sum it up to the rest

[stuck tendon]

They might be edgy teens that want to take a photo of the guest that they think is a cryptid for all we know lol

[wanton roost]

Maybe

[marsh idol]

doesnt he close his beak too

[ripe berry]

So-
in HN3 Prototype 3, there's a picture depicting the original version of the Guest Ritual showing both an eye symbol and an ear symbol for the hands of what becomes the Park Mascot
the Eye Symbol I know is later used to represent the cult, but has there ever been an Ear symbol before HN3?

wait...
Should've probably flagged this image as spoiler
oh well

also- what do we think the original meaning of the Guest Ritual was in-lore

[dusty trench]

Interesting

[stiff spire]

I wonder who the blue guy is

[ripe berry]

(this ritual stopped well before the cult used the eye Symbol, having last been done (before HN3) in 1979 (it was cancelled starting in 1980))

[vale topaz]

The ear symbol may be a reference to like these three monkey statues

-see no evil (eyes)
-hear no evil (ears)
-say no evil (mouth)

They may also represent the group of people in raven brooks which i also see possible

[dusty trench]

i honeslty believe in the three monkey statues more.

[dusty trench]

I beleive alot of the stuff we have seen in this HN3 prototype is really interesting. Like in the ednings where the town gets destroyed, we see a campfire woth peope talking about the raven brooks storm with a news paper. And we get the messgae of here another stiry which resets the game to go onto another path. And in every ending we have rn we can choose to here another story. And this shows mkre of the symbolic representation with oerspective that is brought up throughput the games and said by Alex alot and hinted at by Nikita with the everything being canon becaue yes, everythinhbis canon in this universe. And tjis just shiws the different characters perspectives and mental perception of how their mindset portrays the events of the game. And it always includes the characters we see walking around in the game which shows that in the grand scheme of things, those characters roles have a deeper meaning aswell. Like each character represents a doffermet part of the town in a way. Not saying that they arent real, but more liek how different characters veiw these characters based on theyre experiences with them. And in this case we are just creating our own perception of these characters with the choices we make. Its also similar to how the town veiws the guest in town as a scary supernatural being because he is intimidating and always making animalistic noises with a raven costume on, so of course peoples mental mindset would be afriad of him and view him a supernatural or animalistic creatire of sorts, even though he isnt supernatural. And we see this especailly in S&R with the guest portrayal, the storms portrayal aswell as the world and all of the weird “supernatural” things we see. Its all symbolic and metaphorical. And even with the storms we especailly see in HN3 (obviously) has some symbolic representation alresdy seen in this game with the festival ending where when the festival is being celebrated the sky turns sunny , but when peterosn coms it turns dark.

And this is very reminicent if stuff I have said aboit this series a while ago with and with the amount of symbolism we see in GN2 with the guest and neighbor especailly. Like Mr. Peterson starting the storm to get revenge on the cult, guest, and to get rid of all the evil in raven brooks. But the ending of that book shows his fears and mistakes coming back to him and taking him over, and he becomes even more duranged. And as we see in HN3 he is older and more enraged than ever whoch just shows that his anger is making things worse for him, and everyone else around him. The storm while it being real also holds a deeper meaning ti the people in town. Rage, sadness, revenge, pain, suffering, sin, regret, loss. Its all represented in the characters minds, and we Mr. Peteroson being the main face of that.

And I also really like these theories and yes I agree with both and I brong them uo becaue I believe it ties into what I said about the lore.

[marsh idol]

this is actually

just Einstein reincarnated talking to us about HN lore

[split oriole]

Why does that sound familiar?

[glacial whale]

I just kept scrolling and it kept going. That’s a whole essay

[dreamy sluice]

the eye and ear hands are still a thing in-game and not in just that image so i'd say it's not rlly a spoiler if you've played

i think the purpose of the image is to give you a good idea of what all the parts look like

which is actually very useful

i wish i found this in-game somewhere like three days ago because now i think i know what a statue can is

[winged steppe]

the beak is made of metal

so yes, it is fake

its there to hide smt, as seen in the vandal ending with isaacs reaction

[cobalt kelp]

oh so these are like ropes

i thought they were saliva or something

but if thats the case then either the guest was some human all along or we havent seen the real guest yet

[winged steppe]

metal rods

im thinking it came from something from GAAP

like a mascot or smt

[winged steppe]

eh

hes called "Guest" and "Forest Dweller" in the files

and nikita showed the concept art and lit said "Guest"

[cobalt kelp]

but like one thing for sure the beak is bare fake

[winged steppe]

yh

[cobalt kelp]

yeah but theres one thing that doesnt make sense if the guest is fake

how on earth does he have the power to walk like that and drag us

[dreamy sluice]

when i see them i think of those kind of like metal tension wires you see on like gym equipment

i don't know what they're called

[verbal bobcat]

why does the beak being metallic means its fake

[dreamy sluice]

i mean

it's not just metallic

it's painted metal, from the looks of it

and it's removable

[willow depot]

Because that implies it's a contraption. The white lines are ropes hung on both parts of the beak which sets this further in stone.

Also he can just take it off apparently, that's as clear as it gets

I'd like to point out that it also works like Signed's... Well um, sign

[willow depot]

Specifically to how he has to look down for his mask to face forward

It's the same thing with Guest

[vagrant igloo]

ropes

[silver vine]

FINALLY

NEW LORE

[tiny verge]

plot twist when he takes it off it's just his regular beak length

[vagrant igloo]

the older model had bones for the "ropes"

[vagrant igloo]

remember hn3 is not canon until full release
so for all we know he CAN'T really take it off

[tiny verge]

that's why he was surprised
||he's judging the Guest for wearing a beak over his beak as if he's crazy||

I forgot

that was a spoiler

oosp

[willow depot]

I mean it's still intentional right, and it was planned for a while as you said that the older model had bones for the ropes

at least the contraption-ish nature of the beak so far is meant to tell us something even if secret ending doesn't

obviously putting it in timelines and making concrete statements would be foolish but we might still think

[tiny verge]

the Guest wanted to look scarier so he put another one over his usual beak trust

[vagrant igloo]

beak extensions

[tiny verge]

yes trust me I'm 100% right

[vagrant igloo]

THEORY TIME
so from what we can tell in hn3 the guest is very likely not human
and since he isn't, we have no idea how he works or the way he ages
and around hn3 he is somewhat of a "child" still
which would make sense, considering the guest in hn3 seems to cry and whine
his behavior would make sense
in hg he stalked the player and would run when seen, a form of peek a boo or hide and seek
in the HN2 alphas he was very stingy, not wanting you to touch his stuff or go near it, aka attic
and he even had animations of stomping his foot and throwing somewhat of a fit
patch 9 is harder, he is mostly just attacks you, this could be him getting upset for being in a form of time out, but instead of being forced to stay in his room, it is the forest
in hn3 he has animal-ish behavior, since he is not human this makes some sense, he is sad when he doesn't have something to play with
but when he is allowed to play, he gets extremely excited and rushes to do it, another reason could be he is lonely, I don't freaking know
now as to the reason he stays in the dark not making sense for a child
remember he isn't human, and won't act exactly as a HUMAN child will
the reason he had a fake beak in hn3 could be due to him losing his beak or damaging it
and in shame he built a fake beak to cover it
anyway
#creatureguest for the win

this too

[tiny verge]

I saw

[vagrant igloo]

ok

[tiny verge]

also him losing his beak is sad I feel bad for him now

way to go for making me feel bad for the crow man

[vagrant igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324936612659990610/1438381525346549892/Guest_Drop.gif

does that help

[tiny verge]

CROW MAN NOOO

[dreamy sluice]

tbh the beak always looked weird

are we sure it was ever real?

[vagrant igloo]

yes

[dreamy sluice]

oh okay

[tiny verge]

not when it was Peterguest but after that yes

because the whole Peterguest thing got retconned really early on

I'd say Alpha 1.5 is when the Guest became a literal crow man

fitting how that's also my favorite version of the Guest hmmm

[dreamy sluice]

aren't those hn2 alphas like in quentin's head or somethin

1 and 1.5

[tiny verge]

oh that'd be interesting if so

but no I think they're just uncanon

if they somehow aren't though then I'm glad 1.5 is somehow still canon

[dreamy sluice]

i remember hearing this was the case before they were retconned somewhere

[tiny verge]

even if it's just Quentin being delusional

[vagrant igloo]

guest world

[dreamy sluice]

i don't remember where, though

[tiny verge]

still A1.5 Guest is so peak that's when he got his bird chirps n' was the most polished he could be

Patch 9 I think has new audios though

I can't FIND them but I WANT them

I don't think they're really well known though

I still want them I want all the Guest sounds

[tiny verge]

also he throws a fit..? I like that actually

man the Guest is such a cool character

[vagrant igloo]

he does fr
he has an animation where he stomps his foot in anger and kinda pouts

[tiny verge]

oh I really need to get a rig of the Patch 9 Guest, I wanna remake that with the cloak design

[tiny verge]

this..?

[tribal talon]

W guest

[vagrant igloo]

idk
maybe
it's just a picture so it's hard to tell

[nimble jetty]

Wait a minute

The Thing is a hallucination right?

Then why did I see someone say “If I remember correctly, the book Reset Day mentioned other people in town seeing it, implying that it shows up in everyone's minds to represent their trauma.”

[shell gull]

Quite literally yes, The Thing is the common representation of fear that appears in different ways but same general concept across all characters with fear.

It is indeed in the characters heads but appears similarly from people’s perspectives.

[nimble jetty]

So he is like a guy

That torments people by showing himself in the form of hallucinations?

[glacial whale]

A representation thing I think

[tribal talon]

the thing is such an underrated character

[glacial whale]

Yea I loved when my ears would get blown out when it was near

[nimble jetty]

I get that he represents fear but like

If he is just a hallucination that only Nicky has, how do others see him?

[glacial whale]

Great question so yea I don’t know

It’s mostly just Nicky but if it was somewhere else that others saw it then I don’t know unless it’s from the neighbors notebook which in that case it’s not valid because that book is trash

I do feel like I remember the neighbors notebook bringing up as if the people in town saw it but seeing as that whole book was wrong just throw that out. I only read the main 7 books once so I don’t remember details

[tiny verge]

it's not a hallucination, according to Nikita himself

and honestly I think he has way more say in the Thing considering he wrote the concept

wrote the character

wrote how he works

anyone after just doesn't understand the Thing

and misunderstood the vision

[nimble jetty]

Yeah you told me before that originally the Thing was just a metaphorical representation of trauma that only the player can perceive

But that was retconned in the show

And technically Nicky’s Diaries because idk what the basement sequences could be metaphorical to since they have shadow Neighbors in them

Also Nikita made an instagram (I think) post with a pic of him interacting with the Thing and showing him something on his phone

The picture would be fictional or something like that because it shows Nikita interacting with a fictional character acting like it’s real

But wouldn’t the image imply the Thing is see-able and not just a metaphor. Get what I mean?

And as mentioned before, in reset day apparently other townsfolk see him

[marsh idol]

it’s a representation of fear and trauma

symbolism

and metaphorical stuff

it’s not a real sentient being, but just how fear and trauma is visually seen in Nicky’s view

[tiny verge]

I tried saying that multiple times

[marsh idol]

yea i don’t know why people think it’s retconned in the show

nothing to my knowledge is truly retconned except Guest originally being Ted maybe

in the show, The Thing is literally seen by no one else but Nicky

[dusty trench]

yeah, which technically shoudlnt count since it was never put out there in an official full release.

And we know they kept alot of elements from early stories of HN1 and HN2 as symbolism and they sre probably going to do the same with HN3.

But so far they are just settting up the story more clear now in HN3 since prototype 3 which is the most accurate depiction of the full game that we have so far as said by Nikita.

[vagrant igloo]

hn2

misread mb

I thought you meant nothing had retconned ted being guest

[tiny verge]

the show does alot of things

I'm talking about HN1 specifically though

tried telling him that the Thing is not a hallucination, atleast when Nikita is in charge of him

[midnight smelt]

in the prototype of hn3, i know this probably isnt the reason but hear me out, the reason their skin is blue and purple, is cause of how cold it is there

[wanton roost]

Artstyle

Artstyle

[midnight smelt]

yes i know, thats why i said im probably wrong, i just think its funny

cause skin does turn purple when your way too cold

[wanton saddle]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8Dn17oH/

Yall

How accurate is this?

[tiny verge]

clearly Janusz is just the Legendary Super Saiyan
it's just that the green went all to his skin, but it's why he's also so beefy

[marsh idol]

i saw this video

it’s not very inaccurate, but it’s inaccurate

the OP said he got all of his info based on the wiki and nothing else

so i do not suggest taking this video as fact

[nimble jetty]

The Thing being an artistic and metaphorical representation of fear means no one in the world of Hello Neighbor should be able to see it

In the show, Nicky sees it

[marsh idol]

well yea, literally only Nicky sees it

it’s in his head

thats what Nikita specified.

[nimble jetty]

But the Thing is supposed to be an artistic metaphor of fear

Meaning we (the player) can only perceive it

Nobody in Hello Neighbor can see it because it doesn’t actually exist, it’s a metaphor for fear

Like the Grim Reaper being a metaphoric/artistic representation of death.

But in the show Nicky can clearly see it even tho it shouldn’t be able to be seen because it’s a metaphorical thing

Heh

Metaphorical THING

[marsh idol]

dude.

who do we play as

in HN act 1-3

you’re saying it’s a visual manifestation of fear for the player to only see

no.

we are looking through Nicky’s POV

thats HIS fear

HIS trauma

which we specifically see him conjure up in Act 3

[nimble jetty]

Act 3 is a metaphorical world representing self therapy

[marsh idol]

exactly, and thats where the Thing comes into play.

[nimble jetty]

Which means nothing in there is real

Not even the Thing

The Thing is metaphorical he doesn’t actually exist inside of Hello Neighbor as a real creature

Nikita has literally said this based on an image someone replied to me with

(Tho I guess what he said could be interpreted in different ways but idk)

[eager island]

nicky doesnt see it

he just feels it

[marsh idol]

yea exactly, thats literally what i said

[nimble jetty]

That’s what I was trying to say at first as well

[marsh idol]

he sees it in his head sort of. it’s the visual representation of fear in general

they don’t just “feel it”

[eager island]

they just feel it

its a visual representation for the irl player

not for nicky

[nimble jetty]

No

The Thing originally didn’t exist in HN

He is an artistic and metaphoric representation of fear

Meaning only the player can see it and hear it

[marsh idol]

it’s their mind giving shape to that fear. thats really why we see it in WTRB

[nimble jetty]

But that has been changed as apparently in Reset Day, other people have actually seen the Thing

And Nicky can see the Thing in the show

[eager island]

wtrb is doing its own thing

[marsh idol]

yea Nikita said it’s the representation of fear in general, but it’s kinda different from everyone.

they all have their own, ”thing".

[eager island]

Technically he is not “seeing it”. We as a player, see it, but Nicky “feels” it. nikita's words btw

[nimble jetty]

Everything in canon, just not in the way we think

Tho that could mean that the show, games, etc all have different perspectives of the story by the people creating them

And you choose which perspectives to follow

Idk it’s based on perspectives but I’d if it’s like based on the creators’ perspectives or the in game character’s perspective by what happens to them and what they tell

[tiny verge]

no, he just isn't real outside of artistic representation

[tiny verge]

you can say that as much as you want, but as far as the franchise is concerned you're not correct

ignore it all you want but you are likely to miss something

because it's still canon

[willow depot]

The point isn't really to ignore it but like some parts will still just be incompatible

No matter how you spin it

[onyx ivy]

yeah exactly

isnt the thing supposed to be a representation of nicky’s fears such as peterson and those three other fears idk

but he isnt real hes js a visual to show ig

also pretty sure the guest cant shapeshift and isnt the embodiment of greed and envy

doesn’t really imply that

[onyx ivy]

it doesnt rly seem canon as the timeline doesnt go with the original timeline, when nicky is an adult, the timeline isnt even in the 2000s but in wtrb he is literally a kid at that time

although im curious on why its canon in a certain aspect

prob what u said

[onyx ivy]

i see what you did there

[onyx ivy]

uh hes not a hallucination hes basically just the manifestation of people’s fears but he isnt real. Pretty sure hes just a visual to represent someones fears not too sure

[brisk hearth]

Correct

I don't understand how people don't get this yet

[eager island]

its mostly because of other media writers making different interpretations of the character

[inland folio]

aha i get it now

so i just remembered that the thing also shows up in sn-

which i now realise means that hes not a hallucination

[brisk hearth]

the exact reason it should have stayed in the first game

[jolly pelican]

In hn act 2 the house didn't look like act 2 at all, it was like hello neighbor vr, so when nicky escaped the police took down the windmill and extra floors on top, because it was 100% arbitrary and against urban city planning, thats why in hn 2 the house was the same with act 1

[eager island]

act 2 house is not real as you said

[inland folio]

aw but i like the thing i want him to return

[eager island]

all of act 2 is a distorded memory

[inland folio]

as in like hello neighbor 3 like an easter egg or something

that would be nice

[jolly pelican]

The thing i wanted to highlight more is how in hn 2 the house was the same as in act 1

Hn vr house

[inland folio]

because hn2 takes place inside of hn1

from another perspective of another person

it takes place after nicky escaped if i remember correctly

[eager island]

no??

[eager island]

yes

[inland folio]

i meant like after act 2

is hn2

[eager island]

yeah i get it now

[jolly pelican]

It'd be easier for the authorities to take down the houses on top

Leaving it back to its original state

[inland folio]

correct me if i am wrong but act 2 is a distorted memory which what i think is that nicky thinks that its outside but its not its inside the neighbors basement

[eager island]

no

its actually how nicky remembers what happened years before

[inland folio]

yeah i know that its a distorted memory

but isnt it like

in the basement instead of it being outside??

[eager island]

no

he just escaped

but the escape event is twisted in his child mind

[inland folio]

i still dont get act 2s lore

i get that its a distorted memory

but what are we even supposed to learn from act 2 not including nicky escaping the basement

or not basement

the hosue

the neighbors property

[jolly pelican]

That the rescue squad was involved too probably

And Aaron

[inland folio]

i think some act 2 lore is probably in nickys diaries but i have not played that nor know whats its story about or anything

[eager island]

no it isnt

[inland folio]

ah ok

[jolly pelican]

Nicky's diaries is a recreation of the first book

[eager island]

nicky escaped by himself

rescue squad tried to save him but they also ended up in basement

aaron rescued all of them from the basement

[inland folio]

so in the end

aaron is the hero

even though he was a bad guy

[jolly pelican]

He is not a bad person

[inland folio]

i dont remember was it the guest that pushed mya or aaron

[jolly pelican]

Have you seen hn hide and seek?

[inland folio]

yeah

i know the ending

aaron pushes mya off the roof

[jolly pelican]

But in that moment

Didn't you see the instant regret he felt once he realised what happened

[inland folio]

i only remember his shocked reaction to what he did

[jolly pelican]

That's what I am saying

He didn't want to hurt her

His hands just flinched on her

[marsh idol]

he never did

[dusty trench]

He isnt like literally the embodiment of greed. But in characters POV who view him in different ways one is greed aswell in a way becaue of him taking things from others like we see in GN2 in a way, but thats more towards the cult than it is guest but then again there is also the whole S&R thing with Aaron and guest and that whole segment of Guest manipulating Aaron. But yeah, the guest isnt literally the true embodiment of greed and envy, thats just how some view him in HN.

[onyx ivy]

Yeah I know. It is literally just how the towns people view him

such as quentin (if thats how you spell it) making a game with him and making it so that he takes your stuff when he grabs you

its literally just how the people view him

hes not the manifestion of greed because he is greedy

thats stupid

😭

[tiny verge]

but he was just unable to control his emotions, really bad at it too

[onyx ivy]

needs way more context for it to qualify

[tiny verge]

they literally show his despair when he realizes what he does

[stuck tendon]

Well he Is 10 years old his mother just died and his father went crazy so that's understandable

[tiny verge]

yeah

[jolly pelican]

12 but still understandable

[jolly pelican]

This!

[glacial whale]

If everything is canon does this mean the neighbors notebook has to be? I mean if it’s all just perspective or whatever should we really even consider it? I had this thought and I know it’ll ruin your day for trying to connect it but someone had to bring it up.

[eager island]

the neighbors notebook is more like a game guide isnt it

instead of being a in-lore thing

[glacial whale]

Should we also consider the hello neighbor keyboard canon too?

[eager island]

obviously

[glacial whale]

It’s all coming together now

[eager island]

the hn3 merch will explain everything

[tiny verge]

this is canon, you can tell he's fatter and his mustache is less curled this is Peterold before he got wrinkled and droopy

[brisk hearth]

who greenlighted this 😭

[eager island]

its kinda funny like they dont have anything about hn3 and still doing merch

[glacial whale]

Well I think wasn’t the notebook the one to show the secret neighbor kids being Enzo trinity and Maritza first? Was it first explained somewhere else?

[eager island]

they had to paste the games only promotional art 💔

[glacial whale]

That might be bad wording on my part

[glacial whale]

We need to know what happened to Peterold

[tiny verge]

Peterold got wrinkled and droopy, which is HN3 Neighbor trust me I'm right

this is phase 1 Peterold because of his mustache

[glacial whale]

No I can see it now

[tiny verge]

and HN3 is phase 2 Peterold

[glacial whale]

Phase 3 he’ll be the true neighbor of all neighbors

The peterold

[nimble jetty]

Are you saying in HN1, originally it isn’t the 2000s when Nicky was an adult?

Cause nothing really says that I think

And if that was the case that would mean act 1 and 2 takes place in like 1970 something

[inland folio]

hn1 takes place around 1996(i think i might be wrong) and 2017

[nimble jetty]

Tbh tho wouldn’t the writers of the games, books, etc having different perspectives and interpretations of the story imply that there are different universes even tho Nikita said there weren’t

[winter mason]

What’s always confused me about act 3 was that it’s still like at latest 80’s decor

There isn’t a single piece of 2000’s technology in all of HN1

The timeline was 100% retconned

[wicked heath]

Artstyle

Its just artstyle

They wouldnt incorporate 2000s stuff just for the short real sections of act3

The whole game was rushed, i dont think making cellphones was the devs biggest concerns

[winter mason]

Thing is of it’s all just perspective it doesn’t make sense or explain things like the inconsistent time periods, the fact that TRINITY is suddenly the new kid in WTRB when Nicky’s always been the new kid while trinity has always been there before Nicky, etc

[winter mason]

Nah

[jolly pelican]

So ummm tinfoil theory time

[eager island]

because its not just "perspective"

[wicked heath]

Oh wait remember when tb said technology evolution was different in hn universe?

Forgot abt thT

[winter mason]

I mean true, but I still don’t believe this to be the case. Cause even in the alphas, that decor was still there, so the time period was DEFINITELY retconned

I mean its not hard to believe

Most of the story has been retconned lets be honest here

Thats not a complaint

Thats just a statement

[winter mason]

Not just that, it’s things like the TV’s

These aren’t even 90’s TVs

It’s earlier than that

[eager island]

do you think devs are hardly thinking about this

they just following the artstyle they create

[wicked heath]

^

This right here

[winter mason]

Definitely. This isn’t Nikita’s fault however

At least I don’t think so

[eager island]

its not that deep mate

[winter mason]

Pretty sure that’s more Tinybuild

[winter mason]

Never said it was?? 💀

I just stated something

[eager island]

what are you talking about now

[winter mason]

Brother

Literally JUST what we were talking about

The retconning, laziness and inconsistency

Some of it is probably Nikita

But I do believe it’s mostly Tinybuild

Again

Not complaining

[wicked heath]

Its not laziness

[winter mason]

Ehhh HN1 was pretty lazy

Same with HN2

[wicked heath]

Its just that 2000s technology literally doesnt matter when your ai is barely working and release date is really close

[eager island]

well AS has lazy writing and filler scenes

like the s2e2 ending

[winter mason]

I mean delaying could’ve been an option

[eager island]

they showed up cultists burning trinitys house and then never mention anything about it

[winter mason]

Agreed

[jolly pelican]

Most eps are filler

[winter mason]

Not all of the writing is lazy, but some of it absolutely, like the inaccuracy of Trinity’s diabetes

[wicked heath]

Remember that the number of people who made the game doesnt even have two digits

[winter mason]

I’m aware

[wicked heath]

The head of it being inexperienced with game designing

[jolly pelican]

They were being funded by tiny build thought

[wicked heath]

Funds matter so little when the devs dont have the skills for

[winter mason]

That doesn’t mean it can’t be critiqued. I’m not hating on the game bro, HN, especially HN1, is literally one of my favorite games of all time despite it’s flaws, but that doesn’t mean I’m not gonna be honest about the game’s flaws 💀

[jolly pelican]

There were many scrapped things with hb1 which would have worked

[wicked heath]

Im just saying: calling it lazy is pretty unfair

[winter mason]

This

[winter mason]

Nah it’s pretty fair

[wicked heath]

I think the game is garbage, but i aknowledge the sweat devs put into it

[eager island]

yeah its not "lazy"

but the game is not much good either

[wicked heath]

Its not like garten of banhan, yknow?

[eager island]

good memories tho

[winter mason]

Well yeah of course, the story is beautiful, but the hard work they put into it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done better if they’d JUST made the decision not to rush it

So yes

It was lazy

Cause the state of the game was on them

[wicked heath]

I dont think you understand what laziness even is lmao

[winter mason]

Many problems could’ve been fixed if they’d taken the time they needed

[winter mason]

Nah I do

Ur js glazing

[jolly pelican]

Its not lazy, the scraped content was a disadvantage though, like an athlete training a whole year for the marathon only to slip and crack his skull open right before the finish line

[winter mason]

God I hate that game

[eager island]

the problem is that they didnt have as much time as they want

[wicked heath]

The decision was not a question of laziness. Its a question of deadlines

[winter mason]

True, yeah

[winter mason]

Which again, their fault. I repeat, THEIR fault, not Nikita’s

[eager island]

the game was delayed from 2015 to 2016 then to 2017 and finally to the end of 2017 and was released unfinished

[winter mason]

They could have delayed the game

[eager island]

they already did

[winter mason]

Delaying it….

[eager island]

.

[winter mason]

Coulda done it again

A delayed game is better than a rushed mess

[jolly pelican]

It wasn't that rushed

[eager island]

yeah

[jolly pelican]

Wouldn't call it mess either

[eager island]

its just overhated

[jolly pelican]

I think people play the game differently than how its meant to be played

I mean you beat it on the first run

But

The game wants you to play more

Its a sandbox

It wants you to experiment with the ai or the glitches and easter eggs

[winter mason]

Story wasn’t rushed, the story has such a special place in my heart, but the game was. Bad physics, graphics downgraded from alphas (don’t get me wrong, I like the atmosphere of the game as it brings me a lot of comfort, but to be non biased here, it’s a horror game so it’s not SUPPOSED to bring comfort), extremely buggy (ESPECIALLY the fear rooms…)

[eager island]

its not a horror game

it never was

[winter mason]

Nah it was supposed to be, or at least scary in some sort of way

But it isn’t

[eager island]

the devs developed it as a strategic thriller

[jolly pelican]

Have you heard the guest voice lines in prototype 3?

[eager island]

but the publisher marketed as a horror game to gain audience

[winter mason]

Which is supposed to be scary in some sense

[winter mason]

Yeah those are peak

[eager island]

nope

[jolly pelican]

If you think about it hn hide and seek was kinda scary for me, watching this once happy family start to fall apart right in front of me was kinda soul harrowing

[winter mason]

It’s supposed to provoke suspense at the very least

Which again

Doesn’t

It’s more relaxing

And as I said, comforting

[eager island]

it really isnt

[winter mason]

Certain areas

Like that area with the thing for the first time

And thats it

[jolly pelican]

My weak spot in horror for me is psychological

And hide and seek really strung these cords

Tin foil hat theory now

The devlog says that hn 3 will kinda have a ground hog day kinda vibe , also the character is a newcomer to raven brooks, and the guest starts kidnapping people, also the neighbor is old. So what if, what if hn3 is the games version of reset day

[eager island]

kinda it is

[winter mason]

Ooohh that’s a good take actually

[eager island]

it has some kind of time loop

[winter mason]

I think it’s also inspired by life as strange, that’s just something I heard so don’t quote me on that

[eager island]

since the game is all about restarting the game over and over again

[winter mason]

Nonetheless it reminds me a LOT of life is strange

I love life is strange

[jolly pelican]

Omg i wanted to say this for a LONG TIME

[winter mason]

Even the soundtrack

Man HN may miss with some of their games but they NEVER miss with those soundtracks

Hell even the abomination known as Nicky’s diaries has a fire soundtrack

And HN3 soundtrack…

[eager island]

yeah

siarhei cooking

[winter mason]

Ugh I have no image perms

[jolly pelican]

Is it nikita who does the guitar

[eager island]

no

actually which guitar

[winter mason]

But I was gonna send the image of that guy with earphones levitating

Could someone send that pls…

[eager island]

siarhei does hn3 musics

nikita does the devlog ones

nikita did the hn1 and h&s and hg & early hn2 osts

[jolly pelican]

It looks like if hn 1 combined it's ost with hello guest

Also my fav ost from hn 3 has to be synday synth

[onyx ivy]

yes

its in the 1900’s sm where, and with the canon we see nicky only explore petersons house not the others although technically it may just be when he is alone or his perspective

I dont really know or csrw

hello neighbor has a funky lore

[marsh idol]

from my knowledge
kid nicky / acts 1–2 / hide & seek / early books = mid-90s (around 1995–1996)

hn2 = right after act 2, still 1996 area, before nicky grows up

adult nicky / act 3 and finale = about 20 years later, late 2010s

[sand sail]

are the hn2 beta 1.0 and 1.5 cannon or nah?

[sand sail]

also is the crow dude from the show THE guest from said betas or was that a random cultist

[marsh idol]

there's multiple crow dudes

[marsh idol]

pretty sure yea

[glacial whale]

Guys what’s the mass of the neighbor

How much volume of water does he hold

[sand sail]

so he not john guest?

[dusty trench]

No. While the beta has a basic outline for the main game story since its the most accurate to the main game and has hige hints to the main story. But overall, isnt canon. Elements if it are. And definetly alpha 1.5 isnt canon but elements of it have been taken account fir in the main story especailly in HN3. We even see old alpha elements come into the lore from HN1 early alphas used in that game and the others aswell as the AS. They bring in these elements as representation for the bigger picture.

[glacial whale]

John neighbor

[lethal birch]

hello john

[rigid pumice]

how about the new hello neighbor 3 game, do you think nicky is not in raven brooks but instead he’s somewhere

[eager island]

its 2028

[rigid pumice]

why 2028?

[eager island]

no idea, nikita said the neighbor born in 1943 (which retcons the books) and that hes 85 yo in hn3

[rigid pumice]

do you think theodore peterson will be stronger in hn3 because he might be even faster

[eager island]

nah

[rigid pumice]

Remember Aaron Peterson, his story remains mystery

he might have run somewhere or he's disappeared mysteriously

[dreamy sluice]

it was confirmed act 3 is on the same date as the game released btw

[lethal birch]

hes really old now he might even be slower

[hollow obsidian]

I just thought he'd be older so he'd rely on traps and machines to kill us rather than chase us.

[marsh idol]

still has his strength but he's literally 85

[willow depot]

See it could be nice

Had every explorable location in the game not already been filled with automated security systems

[eager island]

(moving my message from the hn3 discussion here because why not)

had anyone examined the runes on the body of the guest statue?

they are

Gebo - Wunjo - Raidho - Reversed Laguz - Upright Laguz

Gebo - represents a sacred bond or exchange,
the town made some kind of ancient agreement with the creature (an offering, deal, or mutual relationship)

Wunjo - after the pact, the town experienced peace, joy, and prosperity
this was the creature’s “gift” in return

Raidho - symbolizes a repeating journey or seasonal cycle
this hints that the festival was originally a yearly ritual meant to maintain the pact and keep the balance (the game itself implies that festival was a town tradition until 1980)

reversed laguz - represents the moment the flow broke
the pact was forgotten, abandoned, or disrupted
this led to a period of chaos, misfortune, disappearances, sickness, or supernatural disturbances in the town
(the cancelling of festival in 1980)

upright laguz - the purpose of the statue and the festival becomes clear here
the ritual was revived to restore the flow and reconnect with the creature
it brought partial harmony back but the balance is fragile (may be the reviving of festival in 2028)

so probably, long ago raven brooks formed a sacred bond with the guest
the pact brought years of joy and prosperity, renewed each "cycle"
but when the ritual/festival was broken the flow collapsed and misfortune struck
the statue and the festival were recreated to restore the old balance
and keep the guest appeased

[last anvil]

Maybe this is the reason why Raven Brooks looks like a desolate wasteland?

[eager island]

yeah probably

[ripe berry]

and moving my message to here
this is the third time the symbols have appeared in relation to Hello Neighbor 3

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

these symbols have got to have some kind of lore behind being used

and you have a nice theory for what the symbols could mean

[worthy sable]

what's the best way to catch up on hello neighbor's lore ?

[fickle garden]

Depends on if you are over 21.

[lime thistle]

why do u need to be 21+?

[brisk hearth]

Why?

[fickle garden]

Alcohol. 🍺🍷🥃🍸🍾🥂🍶

[sand sail]

whats the deal with the guest still and how did he go from looking like a dude into a costume to more monsterous

[fickle garden]

He grew.

[marsh idol]

idk ask @ Dark
or i can just drop the whole hello neighbor timeline he gave me

[marsh idol]

design choice

[woeful moat]

nikita thought "i should make him look really cool" and did

[eager island]

who even is he

[ripe berry]

honestly? not sure

[glacial whale]

What’s the wayron croobs way to say this?

Maybe hoocllA

[inland folio]

halalaculoa

[marsh idol]

literal best hello neighbor theorist

[marsh idol]

i can try to put what i know so far about the in depth lore of HN

raven brooks slowly gets taken over by a group that starts as a “nature/weather / raven” society and mutates into a cult (forest protectors / raven society) obsessed with storms, ravens, life and death, and an old legend called the raven man (the guest). they latch onto the mayak weather station, steal tech like luck devices (weather detectors), and begin manipulating storms and accidents to gain money, power, and control, while blaming or glorifying it as “bad luck” and “fate.” over time, the guest becomes the town’s symbol of loss, fear, and sin, and his image is used by the cult and the golden apple corporation as a mascot, until the experiments and storms escalate into the raven brooks disaster and, by hn3, the world just writes the town off as a cursed, storm-destroyed ghost town.
somewhere before or around bosco bay / gn1 (1984), the town already has:
weird weather patterns, strong raven symbolism, growing interest in “controlling” nature.
the tavish society forms, a group obsessed with ravens, weather, and folklore.
over time, this branches into what becomes the raven society / forest protectors.

mayak (the weather station) is built by roger and adele peterson, funded and backed by golden apple.
their goals are to research storms, weather prediction, maybe even weather modification.
which i believe, the tavish gets very interested:
they see ravens + weather + life/death as spiritually connected.
they start blending real science with folk beliefs.
early accidents and anomalies at mayak happen (weather incidents, strange storms), which:
scare the town,
fascinate the cult,
make people whisper about “fate” and “bad luck.”

norman darby (the puzzle master) creates luck devices
the cult learns about the devices, steals or reverse-engineers them, repackages them as “golden apple coins” and other forms, and this is how they do their i think rituals? where they make the town believed they are cursed with bad luck

can anyone fact check this

[vagrant igloo]

for those who believe Nicky is guest
here is some evidence why he is NOT the guest:

• he was a child when the guest was running amongst the forest
• guest is 7 foot tall in hn3, which adult Nicky is much shorter
• the guest's watch is DIFFERENT guys, it's not the same watch that Nicky wears
• the watch is on a different hand
• they do NOT wear the same clothes, the guest is wearing the same purple and red sweater he always was
• hn3 guest runs way faster then Nicky can
• Nicky had been shown settling down in the end of hn3, he has no reason to run around kidnapping folks
• Nicky's story is finished, they have no reason to create a new story for him
• the guest in hn3 is likely to not be human due to his extreme height and speed

[marsh idol]

their argument: idk hello neighbor retcon 🤤🤤

though i have to say, the second point doesn't hold up well

[vagrant igloo]

why

[marsh idol]

HN3 is going through an entirely new style

[vagrant igloo]

yes I know
but notice all the characters are not freakishly tall

[marsh idol]

you could say the body proportions wouldn't make sense for Nicky

[vagrant igloo]

just strangely proportioned

they are all still normal heights

[fickle garden]

Nicky would make for a fun cameo but not a full blown character.

[vagrant igloo]

yes

[tiny verge]

I want that honestly

but it's not happening because canonically he's already left again

[nimble jetty]

Possible things that happened to Franklin after getting hit with the pink beam:

1. Became the Guest
2. Became the Thing
3. Died

[nimble jetty]

Maybe you could find him moving into his house and you could talk to him and he can give some small lore details, but nothing much

[marsh idol]

he died

..

[tiny verge]

do we really know if the beam of light actually means he turned into anything

or was him getting obliterated into nothing

[stuck tendon]

Why is everyone so against Franklin being the Guest lol

Literally everything matches y'all just have hatred for this Theory that I feel like Is the only possible explenantion for the Guest excistence

He isn't supernatural so that checks out

The main cultists are his enemies so they want to please him

He's gone completely crazy so he runs around on 4 legs like a maniac

Also they want to explain what the Guest is right?

[vagrant igloo]

guest origin won't be a flashback

so how would Franklin be guest

[vagrant igloo]

nicky moved into his house 11 years before hn3

[stuck tendon]

Well the Guest isn't supernatural but he can control crows and run on 4 legs on 60 miles per hour

And shapeshift

So who knows

[nimble jetty]

Hmmm… act 3 takes place about 20 years after act 1 and 2

Nicky would be 33

Neighbor would be 71

That means in HN3 Nicky would be 44 and

THE NEIGHBOR IS 82???

[vagrant igloo]

act 3 is 2017

[nimble jetty]

Oh that would be 21 years

[vagrant igloo]

2017 + 11 = 2028

neighbor is 85

[stuck tendon]

Shrubbly just lost his embeds

R.I.P

[vagrant igloo]

Nicky is 44 or 45 depending on his birthday

same as aaron

[nimble jetty]

He is 85 and he is that strong?

[vagrant igloo]

yes

[nimble jetty]

Wait no he would be 83

51 + 21 is 72

72 + 11 is 83

[vagrant igloo]

his birth year is 1943.

he is 85.

[tiny verge]

ok I don't think he's ever really posted any images honestly

never seen him post an image

[wanton roost]

neighbor wasnt standing like an old man in prototype 3 he get up from the ground slowly like it was nothing holding the shovel in both hands

Immortal guy

[nimble jetty]

Wait no this isn’t adding up

Because if it takes place in 2017 then it’s 21 years apart from 1996

Meaning the Neighbor would be 72 because he is 51 in the first game’s first two acts

If HN3 is 11 years after then he would be 83

[tiny verge]

Neighbor life span is 100,000 years
he will sleep and then when he awakens, he will go "for thousands of years I lay dormant, who dares disturb my- oh hey Nicky"

[vagrant igloo]

broski
neighbor was born in 1943
he was 53 in 1996
53 + 32 = 85
1996 + 32 = 2028

I said act 3 was 2017

hn3 is 2028

[nimble jetty]

Oh I thought he was 51 in 1996

Someone told me that

[vagrant igloo]

well he was until his birthday was changed to 1943

[wanton roost]

He gonna be reborn in guest world man

[nimble jetty]

For a man in his 80s he aged very well

Must have been doing lots of stretches in his yard over the years

[tiny verge]

it's crazy cause his hygiene is like

nonexistent

[stiff spire]

the neighbor brushes with Colgate toothpaste canonically

[marsh idol]

he just died

[vagrant igloo]

yes

absolutely

[tiny verge]

I'm talking about the beam of light showing his shadow

that could literally just be him getting obliterated into nothingness

[marsh idol]

i don't think the statement of "no supernatural" would mean Franklin rose up in the beam and becomes some supernatural demon

[marsh idol]

yea

[tiny verge]

which was what I was saying

[marsh idol]

there's no other answer

except him dying

[vagrant igloo]

incinerated

we watched him being turned to ash

[marsh idol]

no or and buts

[vagrant igloo]

quite literally

[tiny verge]

yeah that word I was for some reason struggling to find

[marsh idol]

including theo 😞

[tiny verge]

literally just getting the Perfect Cell treatment

completely incinerated, burnt to a crisp, reduced to nothing

and the beam of light doesn't even need to be supernatural it could just be sci-fi related

[vagrant igloo]

imagine
that flashback was just him thinking back on a happy moment in his life
not a traumatic memory

[marsh idol]

😭

[tiny verge]

I mean, we already have luck devices

and a weather station that can flood the town

that to me is more sci-fi than supernatural

[vagrant igloo]

but honestly
i feel people are looking too much into Franklin's death
it was just to show why the neighbor was how he is

to give him a traumatic backstory
something to fight for

[tiny verge]

I mean, Peterson's whole life is kind of filled with events like that

even before his family dies

[nimble jetty]

Technically not supernatural the laser wasn’t like magic or anything

It’s sci-fi

[marsh idol]

i never said the laser was supernatural

but alr

[nimble jetty]

I’m saying that Franklin turning into something doesn’t have to be supernatural