lore-discussion

[inland folio]

i cant

its not

[warm hollow]

wym

[inland folio]

tiny build

its eerie guest stuidos aka dynamic pixels

[warm hollow]

i forgot who are the devs bro

dontt judge me gng

[inland folio]

"forgot who the devs are"tiny build being a publisher:

[warm hollow]

or the story tellers whatever its called

[warm hollow]

ok so tiny build is the publisher and erie guest made the game but what about dynamic pixels

[inland folio]

i just said

eerie guest studios is

dynamic pixels

[warm hollow]

oooooh

thx

[inland folio]

eerie guest studios is the new name

yw

[inland folio]

tiny build did nothing besides release the alphas and force hologryph to create secret neighbor

[warm hollow]

im still confused on why they need publishers

[inland folio]

didnt have enough funding

[warm hollow]

ooooh i get it

so erie guest made the game and tiny build well basiclly invested if your gonna call that ig

welp the game lore makes sense now

but im still confused on acttt 2

act 2

cuz distorted memory right

how did he escape

[inland folio]

yeah

[warm hollow]

if its just distorted memory

[fickle garden]

He used a box to fling himself over the fence.

[inland folio]

technically its supposed to be inside the basement

[warm hollow]

bro. 😭

[inland folio]

because the red key appears again

but since its a distorted memory

its outside the basement

[fickle garden]

Is it really a distorted memory though?

[warm hollow]

i dont get it

[inland folio]

no its a school lunch

[warm hollow]

how did he escape the basment

[inland folio]

aaron

[warm hollow]

ohhhhhhhhh

[vagrant igloo]

everything happens as you see in the game
but nicky doesn't remember everything right
so he remembers the house being huge
and he imagined a fence and stuff

[inland folio]

aaron let him escape

[warm hollow]

i saw in secret neighbors in the tape i think

[inland folio]

wasnt the actual memory supposed to be the basement

[warm hollow]

wow it all makes sense thx

[fickle garden]

Or the house really did look like that.

[inland folio]

because the red key and stuff

[warm hollow]

is it true that aaron was investigating the forest protecters and then the cult made the neighbors life a hell

[inland folio]

aaron is a kid-

[warm hollow]

i saw in mat pats vid

[vagrant igloo]

wdym

[inland folio]

the red key door

[vagrant igloo]

no that's real

[inland folio]

in act 2

ah ok

[fickle garden]

To be fair Nicky investigated the Neighbor and he was like 4 or something.

[vagrant igloo]

cuz act 1 is completely real

[vagrant igloo]

12

[inland folio]

12

[warm hollow]

i feel like all games are conected to nickys diary

cuz think about it

its nickys story its his memory

well except for hn2

[vagrant igloo]

hnd is just nicky looking back at hn1

[warm hollow]

true

whats AS

[inland folio]

wish we would get more games with nicky in them

i want to see

[fickle garden]

Aello Seighbor

[inland folio]

the thing again

i miss the thing so much

he was an awesome charcter but he was executed poorly

[warm hollow]

what t the hell is that game

what is aello seighbor

[vagrant igloo]

we don't know exactly
alex said it's early 2000s
but it has hn1 and hn2 events
so i think it's a retelling throught the kids' memories

[inland folio]

ignore treelee

hes a rage baiter

[warm hollow]

whaat does it stand for

[vagrant igloo]

animated series

[fickle garden]

It's called a joke.

[warm hollow]

oooooooh

[vagrant igloo]

🤦‍♂️

[warm hollow]

whats reset day

[inland folio]

a book

[warm hollow]

ooh alr

i got it

i never read the books

im to broke

[vagrant igloo]

last book in the series

not counting comics

[fickle garden]

Hello Neighbor diaries should be moved to PC tbh, that way people can enjoy the book's story without reading. 🤮

[warm hollow]

fr

i mean you can do bluestacks

ig

[vagrant igloo]

true
but it's main purpose is kinda to be an hn mobile game

[warm hollow]

ngl but i feel like no one plays mobile hn

[fickle garden]

And it died, moral of the story mobile players suck.

[warm hollow]

except for like 8 year olds

man, i miss thatt times

[vagrant igloo]

my phone starts seizing when i do 💔

[warm hollow]

i fr want hn 3 the sequel of hn 2

i wana know who hit quientin

[warm hollow]

why is the basment diffrent in hn2

[inland folio]

neighbor renovated

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKkaHrU1KVM (it's the first tape in the video btw lol)
(In-game if you use the fast forward button on the cassette player it becomes Guest Noises)

yeah. it's where my pfp comes from
(AS Ep. 4 when Delroy's sneaking up on Otto's house)

[ripe berry]

the tapes don't got their color anymore but I still use the old colors to tell the tapes apart

[warm hollow]

bro ever since i learned the story

i see the game and story diffrently

[tiny verge]

Hello, Renovators!

[fickle garden]

Theory:
Hello Neighbor takes place in the Half Life universe, and here is why.

1. The Neighbor's life.
   You may have noticed the Neighbor has lost a lot of pieces of his life, some may even say half of his life is missing.
2. Hello Neighbor 3
   While we may not have seen headcrabs (yet) the town of Raven Brooks appears abandoned and almost at the brink of destruction, and there are even freaky creatures that have glowing blue hair (Possible xen creature?)
3. The Forest Protectors
   There is a cult called the forest protectors that dress up in crazy masks and harass people on the street, however these people are humans. Almost like the metrocops from half life 2.
4. The city
   In act 3 we see Nicky's apartment in an unknown city, some might even say a city 17...

[vale topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-12736297714360095095

[tiny verge]

Half-Neighbor 2

[fickle garden]

Indeed.

[warm hollow]

i js watched hn3 devlog and it takes place after hello neighbor 3 mainly it takes place after the series bc it says half abandoned town

and the town is abbonded

[brisk hearth]

It takes place in 2028 when Ted ( the neighbor ) is 85

[warm hollow]

GOD DAYUM

his name is mr peterson/theodor peterson

[chrome maple]

Theodore "Theo" Masters Peterson

Peak middle name

[inland folio]

i want the devil plot to be continued

it was cool

[chrome maple]

It was pretty cool but it dont know how they would expand the franchise beyond the first game if it still had the devil plot

[inland folio]

i dont really like the new story

i dont want to feel bad for the neighbor

i want to feel good when i absolutely brutally hit him with every single thing in his house

knowing that hes just the devil

not a broken man

[fickle garden]

Ehhh it seemed kinda generic.

[dreamy sluice]

me looking for the list of games that have you become a victim in the devil's plot to win against god in a feud over who has the most human souls, ending up trapped in a false reality where you need to get into the freaky exit door in order to potentially escape:

[chrome maple]

I honestly wish the story was simpler like theo is just a psycopath or something

[fickle garden]

#fangame-discussion

[dreamy sluice]

these are all fangames of that specific plotline

many of which don't even have those plotpoints because they're relatively recent news

[dreamy sluice]

not all, but i assume you're referring to ones that are

given that they're fangames of hello neighbor

and trying to replicate that specific story

they shouldn't be used as reference for other games with similar stories to the hn1 devil plot

because of course when you're trying to copy something it's gonna be similar

[fickle garden]

Well I wasn't talking about the whole plotline anyways, I said kinda not in it's entirety.

The antagonist actually being the devil is what I called generic.

[dreamy sluice]

you didn't specify that at all

plenty of games have the antagonist just be some evil demon

can't disagree with you there

just saying 'kinda' is not enough to convey what you actually meant, though, so nearly everyone is gonna misinterpret that

[tiny verge]

I kinda don't like the devil plot much tbh

it seemed really rough

I don't hate it

but I do much prefer the Alpha 2 and full game lores more

Idk about it being generic though

it's kinda funny that it all happened because the Devil was literally going "bet"

but I do much prefer the newer lores more

also as for feeling bad for Peterson I disagree

I moreso pity him

but he's still doing really insane stuff

like he literally broke into Nicky's house just to write in his journal

he let Nicky break into the basement just to lock him up to give Aaron a friend

he also, before his family even died, would have bursts of anger that would scare his kids

also, he was a mechanic who worked on an amusement park that he cut corners on

and felt safety features were unnecessary

Peterson quite literally is still a psychopath for everything he does

sucks his family died, but the way he deals with it is actually horrifyingly wrong

you don't just lock your son up to "protect" him while also being mad at him at the same time

you don't lock up a journalist who was about to free your son from your abusive behavior

you don't lock up your son's friend just because YOU made him lonely

Peterson's still a bad guy

very bad

[tawdry dock]

[chrome maple]

I didnt think he was that insane still

[tiny verge]

I mean, if he literally locks up another kid in his basement just so his son won't be lonely, which HE locked up and made his son lonely to begin with, then Idk how he's not insane

[winter mason]

1. So it actually starts will Hello Neighbor diaries, we see Nicky clearly in the process of moving in, renovating and decorating the house. It’s also worth noting that he’s still clearly deeply traumatized in HND, due to the plot being that he’s still clearly bothered over what happened to Aaron as his brain’s still suppressing the truth, the existence of the panic meter and certain cutscenes that cause him to have an actual panic attack.

2. Now compare this to HN1, in HN1 act 1 and 2 play out as dreams which, as confirmed by the devs, aren’t fully accurate to the real events as his memory’s clouded (it’s also worth noting that dreams will distort things anyway), wakes up in his apartment, gets evicted, somehow instantly manages to move out and back to raven brooks - which is a process that realistically should’ve taken a few weeks at the least - then goes for a nap, somehow suddenly gets over 20 years of severe trauma in a dream, wakes up and starts moving back in.

3. Now here’s where the two clash, in HN1 Nicky has ALREADY moved on from his trauma before even starting the process of moving back in and decorating, however HND shows Nicky still being very clearly traumatized, yet it also being clear that he’s been there for a while. This wouldn’t make sense if both games were real life as that would be a dumb plothole - unless they AREN’T both real life.

4. So I believe in HND Nicky is still alive, while in HN1 He’s dead. I believe HN1 is him in Limbo, and for those who don’t know, Limbo is an uncertain after-death state of waiting or suspension, in some theories this can be caused by unresolved traumas or greif in life, causing you to relieve your worst or most significant moments these traumas or this greif stem from, this lines up perfectly well with Nicky.

5. With the explanation of the clash between HND & HN1 and Limbo out the way, I’ll explain the evidence for why I think this is Limbo. (Message is too long, lemme paste the other part)

Act 1 & 2 are him reliving a distorted version of the kidnapping, him being forced to unbury his trauma at its core. The start of Act 3 is him being evicted from his home and landing with no choice but to move back to Ravenbrooks, which you can imagine in real time would’ve been overwhelmingly stressful for him, so it would make sense that he would relive this moment in death. The rest of act 3 and the entirety of act 4 is him finally learning to face his fears and move on from that unresolved trauma he seemingly never moved on from while he was still alive (HND). You see him at the very end moving in, which again, him moving in may be metaphorical for moving on.

There we go

[wicked heath]

You are in 3 separate fandom servers i’m in

That’s cheery

Also, just so you know, Nicky went to bed for Act3 immediately upon stepping through his front door for the first time in years

[inland folio]

nah nah nicky just had a stomach ache and had a hallucination

trust

[wicked heath]

Nah you know what, I fully rely on this

[inland folio]

the ending of hn1

is nicky coming out of the bathroom

after doing the biggest nuclear bomb on a toilet the world has never seen

[winter mason]

It all makes sense now…

[winter mason]

I see everything, Freeze_Zane…

[wanton roost]

https://tenor.com/view/no-it-damn-well-doesnt-micah-bell-micah-rdr2-gif-16191411

[tawdry dock]

Nicky is dead???

Theodore killed him?

[wanton roost]

No what

[winter mason]

Dutch… think

[winter mason]

In my theory for HN1

[wanton roost]

Dutch.. be practical now...

[winter mason]

I don’t believe theo killed him, no

[wanton roost]

Like when he's an adult or kid

[winter mason]

Dutch? You LEFT me. You LEFT me to DIE.

[wanton roost]

My boy I didn't have a choice

I didn't.

[winter mason]

Adult

[wanton roost]

Have a choice

[winter mason]

Whole theory is here

[gusty flint]

also me and another dude have a theory that the mayak staition can change wether, using cloudbusters or something like that (although minus wilhelm reichs... Ideas on wether controll)

[dreamy sluice]

i thought act 3 was about getting over his fears and not his trauma, hence the thing being brutally murdered in act finale

since the thing is fear n stuff

[alpine mantle]

it kidna is

because of the fear trials

[dreamy sluice]

i know all of the fear minigames made a bit more sense back during the a2/beta plotline but like what even was fear shopping for

i feel like it doesn't make any sense in both of the plots

is nicky just scared of people stealing his groceries in general

[alpine mantle]

lol

i guess

but i think its overcoming the fear since the minigames are called that

so its fear of school?

fear of getting ur groceries stolen?

and fear of heights i think

i have a question yall

what really happend to nicky after the first game

cause in hn 2

there is the other guy

[dreamy sluice]

iirc hn2 takes place like just after act 2

which is why there's still missing posters up but nicky isn't in the basement

we don't really have anything for after act 3 aside from nicky's diaries and hn3

hn3 being 11 years after act 3

and, though i hate the thought, probably won't have nicky

[ripe berry]

Reset Day too

[inland folio]

i think its just nickys paranoia

because of like the events of act 1 and after escaping the basement

nicky got paranoid and started hiding cause like what if he gets captured by the neighbor again

[ripe berry]

they get explained by the books iirc

Supermarket - Grandma abandoned him in a Supermarket for a few hours when he was five
School - being an outcast at school due to Ted literally messing up his whole life since he wouldn't stop searching for Aaron and Mya (iirc)
Darkness (the Closet one) - being trapped in the basement iirc

[unkempt sleet]

School is more explainable in AS tbh

[ripe berry]

yeah fair

[unkempt sleet]

Also i think Darkness is just a classic fear of dark

[unkempt sleet]

since it just ends with turning on the lights

[ripe berry]

fair

[dreamy sluice]

i never read that mb gang

[tiny verge]

they got repurposed

but the books are the only medias that explains them

though Fear Factory

I feel like could only work with the A2 story

it was cut before the story change but still, if it hadn't been cut I'm curious to see if they would even bother try changing the fear minigames purposes

[ripe star]

nicky being in any games after act 3/nicky diaries would feel really disappointing because act 3 finishes his character and he's finally free from the trauma

nicky diaries is a good way to have nicky in it again without retconning the significance of the ending in act 3

[tiny verge]

unless Nicky tries to free Peterson as well

which would show that he holds no grudge too

that he truly is free and is willing to free Peterson as well
but that's just me coping

[tawdry dock]

Hey guys do you think the guest is Ted’s brother Or the shadow ?

Because when his brother fell into the void, his shadow was seen turning into something

[vagrant igloo]

he's not the thing.

[tawdry dock]

So the guest?

[vagrant igloo]

we don't know.

but we definitely know he isn't the thing

[tawdry dock]

Why

[vagrant igloo]

Because, The Thing isn't a real physical entity. Just a visualisation of fear and trauma.

[tawdry dock]

Hmm I see, but he hurt Nicky

In wtrb

Well, now that I think about it, it doesn't make sense that his brother would want to hurt Nicky

[inland folio]

the thing is not real

the thing is a hallucination

only for nicky

[eager island]

the thing is general representation of fear and trauma

[marsh idol]

he hurt him mentally.

[earnest wadi]

[wicked heath]

Everyone talking abt him suddenly being dirty and all

Yet no one assumes Nicky had been sitting among the trash the whole day

[winter mason]

I would like to say

WTRB is a different universe

Anything could’ve been changed

And on top of that

He actually could still be real while being a manifestation of fear and trauma

[brisk hearth]

Nope

[winter mason]

Like demons who embody specific sins

[brisk hearth]

It's just how trinity remembers specific events

[winter mason]

He could be a literal demon who embodies fear

[winter mason]

Did alex say that?

[brisk hearth]

Nikita said everything was canon and was based on perspective sooo...

For example act 2 house was just a representation of how nicky felt escaping

[winter mason]

Ah, still though, main point doesn’t change

About the thing n all

It probably is most likely a hallucination

But the possibility for him being an actual manifestation of fear and trauma is pretty cool

I like the idea of an actual demon better than a hallucination

[winter mason]

True, yeah

[brisk hearth]

I've always head canoned him as a being that can only affect those with trauma and gets stronger the more they fear

[winter mason]

I hate when I feel like doing a bunch of pipework to jump on a trampoline and over the fence

Most annoying feeling

[winter mason]

That’s what I thought

Nicky says in S1 “it gets in your head” but like, what if we take that literally

Demons who go into your head, making you the only person able to see it aren’t unheard of after all

[marsh idol]

wdym?

[marsh idol]

no, that's far from the truth. it's in the same universe.

[marsh idol]

no he was NEVER real

never.

[marsh idol]

again, NOT a demon

no supernatural occurances

even Nikita debunked that

[winter mason]

Yeah I’m aware, if you bother to read up someone has already corrected me

[winter mason]

When was this?

[marsh idol]

let me forward it

[winter mason]

It’s hello neighbor mate, the lore changes left right and center, so whether this matters or not depends on when this was actually said

[winter mason]

Also bro chill it’s a simple theory which, again, if you actually bother to read the chat, I said the thing just being a hallucination IS the most likely option

It’s just a fun like “what if” thing

No need to get defensive over it 💀

[marsh idol]

in response to this

[winter mason]

Right okay, just checking this wasn’t said in like 2019 or anything

[marsh idol]

uh, nothing is "retconned" if Nikita said so, it's more or so them trying to find an explanation so they don't need to retcon it

[tiny verge]

I heavily disagree

I think it's moreso that WTRB is just someone's perspective

or maybe even two people's perspectives

[marsh idol]

he knows

but it's pretty objective that it's canon either way so there's no need for disagreement

Nikita said it's all about perspective, not different canonicity so yea you're right

[tiny verge]

question is, are we seeing it through Trinity's perspective..? or someone else who's just close to Trinity

[earnest wadi]

Will we ever see what happened to Aaron in any piece of hello neighbor media? It could be in the show or the games?

[winter mason]

Yeah because it did confuse me as to how we saw directly from Nicky’s perspective in S2 but oh well

[winter mason]

Maybe at the end of S3

[earnest wadi]

I hope so

[vale topaz]

Hey guys how old was neighbor in 2010?

[dreamy sluice]

you've brought great sadness upon me

[inland folio]

70

oh wait no

neighbors 85 in 2028 right

[dreamy sluice]

67

the answer was a 6 7 reference

because of course it is

[vale topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

I regret notht

[marsh idol]

what the hell did i come in to

[vale topaz]

Hello peak

[vagrant igloo]

67 🥀

we need hello 67 now

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/springtrap-five-nights-at-freddy's-springlock-failure-fnaf-gif-15872712012781687992

[lilac sable]

Afton is Peterson confirmed?!

[stiff spire]

I can't wait to see the neighbor getting springlocked in a guest suit in Season 3

||/jk||

[severe dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-yep-ya-gif-2495301426354871501

[minor brook]

I had a theory that's more of a hypothesis where what if, The Guest and The Thing were the same thing? we know the Guest can shapeshift. that's the only thing that remotly supports it, other than that it's just a fun idea

[tawdry dock]

Yes, because when the guest escaped from the house, the shadow began to chase Nicky

[tiny verge]

impossible
it's been stated that the Thing isn't even a hallucination that Nicky sees, despite what the cartoon shows, and that it's just artistic representation of fear as that's how Nikita wrote it in Hello Neighbor 1

[glacial whale]

Oh yea your definitely on to something huge here

[minor brook]

I thought of it before I knew that, so obv it isnt true but it was fun to think about

[tiny verge]

fair enough

[severe dust]

My theory (Before Hello neighbor hide and seek)
Act 1:Neighbor is Actually Locking the thing in Early form so it does not go out and darken the world. The screams are Just the thing imitating a child so somebody will rescue them. After Act 2 The Thing goes out of its cage and roams through the basement. After act 2 The thing escapes (We see it in act 3)
In act 3 the thing controls our dream so we can destroy the neighbor and let the thing Finally take over. But he doesn't succeed, he gets trapped in that room. Desperate to catch the neighbor but after the first game it starts to become smaller and smaller until it dissapears

[brisk hearth]

It's still 1997

[tribal talon]

So the first 2 books and Hide and Seek take place in 1996 while the third book and Acts 1-2 take place in 1997?

[brisk hearth]

I think so yeah

[tribal talon]

Btw, it's crazy how Aaron was born in 1983 and the Aaron trilogy takes place in 1991-1992, bro was fighting a cult when he was 8-9 years old

Chad HN1/book Aaron, virgin HN2/AS Aaron

[tawdry dock]

What means AS?

[stiff spire]

animated series

[tawdry dock]

I see, and i agree with Chad book Aaron

[ripe berry]

no

[ripe berry]

Bosco Bay/GN1 takes place in 1984
Book 4 takes place in 1991
Books 5 and 6 take place in 1992
Books 1-2 and HNHS take place in 1995
Act 1, Book 3, the AS, HNVR, Act 2, SN, HN2, and HE take place in 1996
No one knows when Raven Brooks Disaster/GN2 takes place but it's after HE and before Book 7
Act 3, Act Finale, and HND take place in 2017
Book 7 takes place in 2021
HN3 takes place in 2028

the 19 years statement contradicts another, more recent statement the Act 3 occurs around the same time as when HN1 actually released (which is where we actually got 2017 from)

[shell gull]

Yeah sorry to ruin this for you but The Thing is just Nicky’s imagination.

[grave maple]

^^^^Key words: Before HN hide and seek

[cold ocean]

is neighbor the crowface?
cuz i saw him being guest.

[tawdry dock]

The Guest is his brother

[sick bone]

You saying false

[severe dust]

Shoot i didn't know.

[severe dust]

Wait, but what about in the Ending where The Thing is knocking on Neighbor's Door?

[sick bone]

Bro this man say lie

İt metaforik representation of fear

No nicky relateds

[severe dust]

So neighbor Locked his fears

I mean im still saying before H&S

[wide cloud]

So, is Hello Neighbor 3 the part of the story where Theodore, fed up with Raven Brooks and the evil that lurks there, decides to use the weather station or something to cause a storm and flood the town? Then I think after that everything resets or something…or has that already happened? Or am I misremembering something I read about the lore? Or am I giving away part of the game and am about to be kicked off here for good?

[solemn locust]

Yeah he uses Mayak

[wide cloud]

Ok so, I still don’t know what the heck “Mayak” is…would knowing about it spoil HN3?

[solemn locust]

Not really sure

For all I know Mayak was in the hg prototype and Theodore used it to flood Raven brooks in the books

[wanton roost]

im sure mayak is destroyed

sad to say tbh

[solemn locust]

Yeah it could be

I also like your pfp but Arthur is my goat

[wanton roost]

arhur better than micah yes but he is the best villain ehe

[shell gull]

It was just symbolic to Nicky’s mind, to Nicky after getting rid of his fear he realized in his own mind the Neighbor also must’ve dealt with fear too.

[severe dust]

SO MY THEORY MIGHT BE GOOD!

[shell gull]

I’m not, this has been confirmed for since the early points of the Lore.

[sick bone]

You say false dude

İt no speciel for nicky

[severe dust]

oh yeah

[shell gull]

Well, kinda and no, other characters can deal with fear but not The Thing, it’s the manifestation of Nicky’s own trauma, that’s why in AS you only see The Thing appear in Nicky’s mind, people deal with traumas like that in the real world where they become paranoid and schizophrenic, in HND we see how Nicky also lost his memory and in order to figure it out again enter his own mind again and face his fear again and we see Thing like creatures looking like the Neighbor, so again The Thing is only something Nicky sees. Though I’ll give you the benefit of how in SN when a Neighbor dies they slightly for second turn into a Thing figure or aura, though there’s not much to go off that.

[severe dust]

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[shell gull]

That’s 5 lol

[shell gull]

Ey your theory can still hold up on fear, though not specifically The Thing, that’s Nicky’s own fear manifest.

[severe dust]

I SAID before HNH&S

[shell gull]

Also to clarify on some of the things in your theory, the scream and sound of something breaking in the end of Act 2 are Aaron’s, which leads into what happened in AS, Nicky’s obviously being traumatized saw everything from a different perspective and distorted, though we know well enough that was Aaron as AS shows the same thing and would lead into HN2s beginning segment.

[severe dust]

WHATS AS?

[shell gull]

Animated Series

No it isn’t, everything that is modern Lore and still fits is canon.

Everything is canon with the exception of dev builds and outdated early things before ground lore.

Nope they didn’t.

[severe dust]

I said it was before AS

[shell gull]

Because everything ain’t already known?

[shell gull]

Well that won’t work chronologically by story.

You’re talking about HN2 right?

[severe dust]

I typed wrong. I said before HN H&S came out

[shell gull]

Oh that also doesn’t work because H&S is a prequel to HN1

Because all the story isn’t known.

[severe dust]

I mean before it came out and we knew the Backstory

[shell gull]

The Cult was the main focus of HN2

[shell gull]

And also what happens in between the events of HN1 Act 2 and 3.

[shell gull]

Oh I see.

[severe dust]

I have a question. How did Raven Brooks changed so much In HN2?

[shell gull]

No they just knew from AS, HN2 takes place after AS season 2.

[severe dust]

But what happened to Aron and Neighbor (Idk how to sleep Aron)

[shell gull]

Yes, that includes ALL of HN.

Has correlation to everything.

[severe dust]

Yeah, HN2 Explains it. He Escaped to museum with aron

[shell gull]

We don’t know past HN2 in the museum.

[severe dust]

Watch Game Theory or something

[shell gull]

Buddy if you want that it will take a while.

[shell gull]

No no Matpat is the worst choice he quite literally knows none of the lore pretty much.

Just theories.

[severe dust]

Then Just type in Yt "Hello Neighbor lore"

And how did Raven Brooks changed so much In HN2

[shell gull]

Depends what specifically the lore is split amongst character perspectives that fit together like a puzzle, you want to look specifically at the books, AS or the games.

Everything comes together to make the lore.

[severe dust]

Full lore.

Just watch this

[shell gull]

It didn’t it’s just gameplay sake there’s no definitive RB ever always changes by the devs for gameplay sake for the Peterson House in all of the games.

[shell gull]

Nah that one ain’t too good either.

Here I can give what I know from the top of my head but not in depth.

Just key stuff.

[severe dust]

This?

[shell gull]

NOPE

Even worse.

[severe dust]

This? Im getting desperate

[shell gull]

Like I said there’s no good videos since no YouTuber would spend the time to watch a TV Series, read books and play through the games in depth.

[shell gull]

This is him just dissecting the pilot of AS which is obviously not canon.

[severe dust]

Only that one psycho fan with no life (No Hating anybody like this live like you want to)

I know Only the tip of hello neighbor lore.

[shell gull]

Yeah ig that used to be me 3 years ago indulging everything lore, there’s other people here who know the lore super well too sadly none of them are online really.

[shell gull]

It gets pretty deep into the rabbit hole, you don’t even know there’s some super underground stuff that no one knows outside of big time fans, like Rumble In The Mill, Old Guest Plots.

[severe dust]

I Only know the tip. Because i didn't watched any of AS, played Only free Versions (And Act 1 on Mobile) and watched 0 Lore videos.

[shell gull]

Oooh yeah.

Bet you didn’t know the whole plot of HN revolves around a Cult.

[severe dust]

What cult

[shell gull]

Alright I guess I can explain this since this is the thing I dig deep on the most,

[severe dust]

Neighbor O: Just type already 😔

Fun fact:I had 3-5 Hello neighbor Phases and now its my 5th

Huh? I dont understand

[shell gull]

Basically since the early days of RB, there was a Cult that wore robes and crow masked kinda like a plague doctor (There appearance differed from media, in AS they have Guest like beaks as masks, though in everything else a plague doctor look), they use these high tech devices called Luck Devices (Also differ in appearance), they use these devices to control people’s Luck and hold people at bay in The Town, kinda like holding power over RB, they are also the reason why everything in the Neighbors life went so wrong, they also can create storms using Mayak (IIRC). The Cult are the Neighbors enemy he’s the people he’s trying to get revenge on for all the things they did to him and his family, he knows they exist through his past (Which is also a bit perspective focused). The Cult are also known as Forest Protectirs, an urban legend of large human like crows that started when people saw Cultist in the Forest and mistaken them for these creatures. They are basically a secretive group that want power over the Town, it’s also highly suggested The Guest is their leader.

Well Nicky didn’t immediately leave RB and it’s suggested the Peterson house burned down by a storm (Mayak storm potentially).

Because he didn’t we see in AS.

The Weather Station.

Well that’s not how it works, if that specifically then we don’t know when he left in that case since there’s nothing in the game that tells, except the other media that does.

🤦

[severe dust]

I tought Guest was a leader of vandals

[shell gull]

Nope, he’s a very different character.

[severe dust]

And were does hello Guest tie into this?

[shell gull]

Actually he’s like the most confusing character in the franchise thinking about his lore gives me a headache it’s too much work.

[shell gull]

It doesn’t it’s not canon.

[shell gull]

Though if you want to talk HG lore and the things about the game I can give insight.

Well no, we know what happens after Act 2 thanks to AS.

And also HN2.

[severe dust]

How i see HG:
We get hired to Old amusment park to Guard it. We see That Guest statue break and we want to investigate it but mysteourious (Idk if i Spelled it right) figure keeps stalking us. After that comes HN2 Alpha 1.

Sorry for bad English im polish

[shell gull]

No worries.

[shell gull]

Yeah well what if I told you that originally The Guest was supposed to be the Neighbor?

He was, that got changed.

Yup was only something for the HG plot.

Also if you wanna go deep into HG there’s Pipehouse and ROTM.

No.

[severe dust]

HN2 Alpha 1 Lore by me
After HG we get another Mystery, the neighbors Disappearance. We go to RB, we see the mysteourious Figure again. We already know how it Behaves and we uncover the Mystery. When we Try to leave the basement we see the Guy that captured us and we jump. The game ends.

[shell gull]

No just one.

Other things aren’t canon.

HN2 is canon what?

Not the alphas.

🤦

It is man.

Nah we kinda do.

It’s not a think we know because the developers and creators said so.

So much more what?

Well obviously more games yeah but there’s obviously going to be lore.

Woah no way, it’s almost like that’s what a game is 🤦

Okay? There’s more lore? Way more.

No it didn’t.

[shell gull]

It was far from over, we didn’t even break the surface of HN lore yet.

What kinda question is that because there was still going to be more lore and more games and dig deeper into the story and franchise what?

[severe dust]

I Only beated HN Alpha 1, 2 and 3. HN3 p2, HN2 Demo.

[shell gull]

Okay, I’ll tell you, Mayak, GAAP, The Cult, HN2 DLCs, AS Season 3, Post HND, The Guest and Post HN2. There’s so much we don’t know this is just a majority.

[severe dust]

What? They need it 100% Because it uncovers more lore

[ripe berry]

here's the thing
you say Ted was arrested after Act 2
this can be proven to not be the case using ONLY HN1

[shell gull]

No it very much does.

[shell gull]

Oh hey Michael.

[ripe berry]

in the Apartments you can spot Ted sitting on a building

[shell gull]

Swear when was the last time we talked on Lore dis feels ancient.

[severe dust]

So her was not arested.

[ripe berry]

he was moved to be farther away, but he's still visible
Ted SHOULD be in jail if the cops caught him, but him being there proves he wasn't

so then the question becomes what happened to him between Act 2 and Act 3, which AS and HN2 help answer

[severe dust]

Secret or not its canon

[ripe berry]

alongside why his house burned down, which was FINALLY answered by photos in HN2 Patch 9

[shell gull]

Which ultimately means either something happened we never got to know in HN1 or he never got caught, so you kinda have to use other media.

[severe dust]

I need to see something.

[shell gull]

He won’t be, his list of crimes are way too high to be out in a 10-15 year span.

[ripe berry]

(kidnapping a kid alone is at minimum 20 years, upwards of a life sentence iirc)

[severe dust]

But how? He was meant to go to Jail for 15-30 Years for his crimes

[shell gull]

No, because HN1 isn’t the center of the story, Peterson and Nicky’s is just one part, get rid of HN1 and you still have some central lore.

[ripe berry]

either way he couldn't be out in time for his physical cameo in HN1 Act 3

[shell gull]

Wiki isn’t a good place to get your proof it’s outdated and off btw.

[severe dust]

DUDE! With HN Only like 20% of question can be answered (Or more idk)

[shell gull]

Also I said it wouldn’t make sense for him to be out in such an amount of time.

Well not everything can be answered by just HN1 and H&S.

[ripe berry]

I actually looked this up once
there's no way Ted would be out in time

[severe dust]

What happened between Act 2-3, What caused neighbors house to burn and many other things

[shell gull]

10-15 years was rough estimate,that’s probably the least knowing the list of crimes being so absurd.

[lethal birch]

fandom or the .gg one?

[shell gull]

Fandom one for sure.

[lethal birch]

yea ur right on that

the mods of that forgot the site exists

[severe dust]

Many question can not be Answered from HN and H&S

What family.

[shell gull]

Let’s look at some of Mr. Peterson crimes, murder, kidnapping, trespassing, misconduct, assault and tampering of evidence, these are just SOME of his crimes.

[severe dust]

So tell me why is he alone in Act 3

[shell gull]

Because he’s an adult?

Living his own life?

[ripe berry]

Why is Ted in Act 3
Why's his house burned down
why does it seem like Nicky's House was abandoned in a hurry (left some pictures and stuff behind)
What is the point of the crows in HNHS
Where is Nicky's Family in Act 1
just to name some off the top of my head

[shell gull]

Quite literally none of these can be answered using just HN1 and H&S without being just theories with no explanation.

[bronze meadow]

Hi

What's up?

[shell gull]

This is just unanswered and theories.

You can’t go with these things without the other media.

[bronze meadow]

What are they talking about?

[shell gull]

2 and 5

[ripe berry]

no proof the car we see in Act 3 is Nicky's Parent's car using HN1 and HNHS, also they took everything else
The Crows refer to:
The Crow from the ending of the HNHS Alpha (can be ignored due to possibly being non-canon) and the one in Stage 5 that saves you if you fall off except for when Aaron pushes you off

[bronze meadow]

I would like to know

[ripe berry]

whether or not things after HNHS are needed for the story.

[bronze meadow]

Oh, ok

[shell gull]

Fact is his parent were there during Act 1, he sneaked out at least through his own perspective in the books.

[ripe berry]

the one in Stage 5 only makes sense to me as being the Guest
but the Guest didn't exist in the HN1-HNHS story, so it's just an unresolved plot point

[shell gull]

Fact is you can get rid of HN1 and HNHS and we’d still have a story without it that works and makes sense.

[ripe berry]

especially since everything got retold by the Books and AS

(minus Act 3)

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

but even then you got HND

[shell gull]

Exactly so really if you say that newer media isn’t needed we don’t even need older media either.

So yeah just a theory.

[ripe berry]

there's also the hole of what happened in the 2 months between Acts 1 and 2 that at bare minimum needs Secret Neighbor to show

[sick bone]

Hello mans what we say about

[ripe berry]

so you concede we need something other then HN1 and HNHS?

but the intro to the game shows Nicky finishing moving back into his childhood home

[sick bone]

Bro hello neighbor nicky diary is right after act three

[shell gull]

Just way more polished and showing what happened directly after HN1 ending.

[sick bone]

What problem bro@ruby patio

[ripe berry]

when did I say that was a problem?

[sick bone]

Bro mans i need go i will sleeep good night

[eager island]

goodnight karvilax

[shell gull]

But there isn’t a problem.

[ripe berry]

gn2 you!

sorry, just playing a round of PvZ GW2 rn

I'll be back when I'm done with it

ye

[edgy nest]

Karvixal the GOAT

I couldnt speak to him in time

🙁

[severe dust]

Guys, is HND hello Neighbor diares?

[ripe berry]

so we need HNHS to understand that Aaron was the one in the basement in HN1
but we need another piece of HN Media to understand what the Stage 5 Crow's deal was... so let's say we add HNVR
now we need the Nicky Trilogy to understand who these kids are and GN2 to understand what the Guest planned to do with Ted after HNVR
from there we need Reset Day to know what happens next with Ted/Guest as GN2 leaves itself on a cliffhanger
from there we need Hello Engineer to understand the time loop stuff
from there we need the AS to know why the Park Mascot's different
from there you need the Aaron Trilogy to understand what the deal with the Weather Station is
You'd also need Hello Neighbor 2 to understand what Quentin's deal is
and now we've got a majority of the franchise

you know how every stage of HNHS had that crow that'd put you back at spawn if you hit the I'm Stuck button?
well the one in Stage 5 also picks you up if you fall off the map
yet doesn't do anything when Aaron pushes you off the roof in the game's ending

that is true, I've referenced that trailer before

however the trailer is INSIDE the house

Mya fell off the roof OUTSIDE the house

hold on
lemme try to get an image rq

nvm, misremembered smth
thought you could see the crow just standing there in the ending cutscene

but still
the question would then become why do the crows bother trying to save Mya in the first place? why do they see that "mark" as important at all?

(again, you're only using HN1 and HNHS here so nothing about the Guest or the Cult can be mentioned)

go ahead

[edgy nest]

Grabs popcorn

[ripe berry]

same reason you posit the crows helping Mya

give me just a second

[edgy nest]

W debate so far im leaning towards the neigbor

Neighbor

[ripe berry]

I know it's from the Pre-Alpha to Alpha 1 Era BUT

[ripe berry]

this painting is confirmed to be showing the Neighbor's Brother by Alex

[edgy nest]

Opa

Will this be a game winner?

Lets see

[ripe berry]

furthermore, this children's drawing confirms that the house we see in HN1 was lived in when Theodore was young
and notice how the Children's Bedroom has a bunkbed that the Launch trailer for HNHS shows was never brought into the house by the Petersons, indicating that when Ted lived there originally there were at least 2 children?

indicating that Ted had a sibling that isn't seen in-game, perhaps, a brother?

[harsh igloo]

yh

it is just a picture that the child drew

HNPA

to HNA1

[ripe berry]

BUT
Who is the picture depicting then huh?

ok fine, let's throw out the brother argument for now
I have another point to mention for my side.

in HN1 Act 3, you can see an oddly detailed background house out of bounds
this house seems to belong to the Man in the Hat character originally introduced in a Secret Neighbor event, later becoming the Missing Journalist character from Hello Neighbor 2.

[ripe berry]

who, with only HN1 and HNHS, does this house belong to?

let me get some
but while I do that Imma rq describe what I mean by "oddly detailed"
it has more props outside of it then most houses OoB do, and this one doesn't have any easter egg objects to go alongside that stranger amount of detail

these props are a broken Tire Swing, a bench with a Basket Ball, Hat, and Binoculars, alongside a Black Car, and some trash
The Binoculars, Hat, and Black Car tie back to Man in the Hat, who in Hello Guest Alpha 1 notably had all three of those things
even now in 2025, MitH still has the Hat and Black Car (thanks Secret Neighbor) to link him back to this house

yes

[edgy nest]

Oh I remember it yeah

It is near that weird read curcle

With the error text

Graveyard

[ripe berry]

the difference is those places are unique buildings
this is a background house that isn't even one of the ones in the "meant to be playable" part of the map

a background house that they for some reason put a bunch of props around
that wouldn't even be visible in normal gameplay

[edgy nest]

Do you have proof it corilates with the brother in any way?

[ripe berry]

I'm leaving the brother thing to the side for now

[edgy nest]

Okay

[ripe berry]

also
a story can add new characters

[edgy nest]

Sure but LATER

not in rhe same game

Sure it can

But not in the same game

Bro

[ripe berry]

no, that is just a gameplay thing, NOT a lore thing

[edgy nest]

Is ir or is iit not?

Just answer

No need for allat

[ripe berry]

it's NOT because it's ONLY for Gameplay and NOT lore-wise

[edgy nest]

Not talking lore wise just compared to our english

Isnit or is it not?

[ripe berry]

words aren't even consistent in-game

(oh snap, forgot)

but what does this have to do with your point?

[edgy nest]

Just answer mate

He will get into it

[ripe berry]

yes
Wayron Croobian DOES exist as a language in HN lore, at least to some degree...

that... has no relation to the main topic

Wayron Croobian existing in lore has no relation to the whole "original story" thing

she snuck in, this is shown

then that is a problem within the AS itself, has no impact on it's ties to the original story

using just HN1 you rationalize that he SHOULD be well guarded and therefore shouldn't have gotten out of jail
using the AS we see that the Raven Brooks Police dealt with him incompetently, allowing for him to escape

[shell gull]

Well I do remember this comment, though don’t know how reliable or how much truth their telling:

[ripe berry]

Yes, I get that.

[shell gull]

If this is reliable then it’s a perspective thing to do with distortion.

[ripe berry]

incompetence plus the power went out in the case of Ep. 3 to prevent the camera thing

[shell gull]

That would also mean Quentin is seeing things distorted as well.

[ripe berry]

The Thing is the general representation of fear, Aaron, Nicky, Ted, anyone could draw him

even in HN1 we see two separate the Things

[ripe berry]

Nicky's The Thing
and Ted's The Thing

[ripe berry]

#lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

Nikita has explained that here

[shell gull]

I thought I explained this? The Thing is Nicky’s trauma but the same black aura is seen through other people fears even if it’s not a distorted figure like for Nicky, which would explain why we also see an animal face there.

Because he’s not traumatic like Nicky is then and there.

[ripe berry]

SN indicates EVERYONE sees the Thing
otherwise killing the neighbor in Secret Neighbor would show something else disintegrating and not the Thing

[shell gull]

Whole lot of denial.

He has trauma but not scared.

Right but that’s in Nicky’s head you realize that right?

[ripe berry]

yep
Everyone sees the Thing

[ripe berry]

Two Words:
Secret Neighbor

[shell gull]

Nicky was trying to get over his fear and the source being the Neighbor, he realizes at the end the Neighbor also had that same fear.

[ripe berry]

the Thing can take on different forms as shown with the Shadow Neighbors in HND, but it's still the same entity at the end of the day

either Aaron or the Neighbor

then Theodore

sorry Sh1mp but this is something I have to side with Neighbor here on

[ripe berry]

everyone can see the Thing to some degree or else the Thing being in a drawing in AS Episode 6 is a continuity error

[ripe berry]

.

[shell gull]

I said he’s not traumatic LIKE Nicky is.

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor is in their head

I can imagine myself having superpowers
doesn't mean I can do it irl

afk

will respond as soon as I come back

[shell gull]

Again that’s in Nicky’s mind.

It represents Ted yes but from Nicky’s own thought on him.

[ripe berry]

think of it like this
I can imagine a character or a concept in my head
but, that doesn't mean I'm actively able to see it right now

cult stuff

the coins exact properties haven't been explained because the AS is incomplete

we've only got 13/18 episodes

[ripe berry]

they can imagine the thing if it's described to them
that doesn't mean they can see it unless they themselves still have that fear

[ripe berry]

I know the Guidebook ain't the most reliable but the Guidebook establishes that the Thing exists as a town urban legend

inserting a new character doesn't mean anything
we didn't know the Mayak Weather Station existed until the Aaron Trilogy

we didn't know Quentin existed until HN2, or that Beatrix was his sister until Patch 9 Hotfix 4

he doesn't have photos of his parents in HN1 either

[ripe berry]

there's no photos of Nicky's parents in HN1

does that mean Nicky's an orphan?

yes
the books
but in the context of purely HN1 and HNHS, Nicky's Parent's have no proof of being existing characters

I don't care anymore, it's all one continuity. doesn't matter if something originally didn't exist. it does now. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

you can take this as you winning

[shell gull]

Because there kids their mean.

[ripe berry]

bullies

[shell gull]

Not everything needs an explanation it’s not that complex.

Pretty simple to figure out yourself.

[ripe berry]

no witnesses

[shell gull]

Duh no witnesses.

[ripe berry]

they didn't want the Neighbor to get them in trouble over what happened

they were trying to scare Ted and Franklin
but then when Franklin fell into the well they panicked and decided to try to kill Ted too to save themselves from the consequences

?

she knew the cult was after the book

thus as far as she knew

that was the only way to lure the traitor out

gn2 you!

[fickle garden]

GELLO NEIGHBOR 2?!

[obtuse wedge]

It's still funny that Theo's sister got replaced by young Jesus who came to be his brother

[stiff spire]

Not necessarily, I think his sister might still be canon after all Nikita did say everything is still canon including the books

[ripe berry]

good ol' Franklin Jesus Christ Peterson

[stiff spire]

our lord and savior

[ripe berry]

Forest Protector Speech Bubble

[obtuse wedge]

Why does this reminds me of goddam FNaF's lore XD

[obtuse wedge]

Who died for his brother Theodore Christ Peterson

[stiff spire]

fr

[obtuse wedge]

The fact that Franklin is heavily inspired by that painting in Alpha 1 is so funny XD

He's quite literally made after Jesus's traits

[shell gull]

Wait a second Graphic Novel #2???

[wanton roost]

Allll this are bad

[silver vine]

Hi

[lethal birch]

hello

which is a reference

[lethal birch]

does the janitor from hn2 dlc have anything in the lore?

cuz u know we got school in welcome to raven brooks series too

[sick bone]

Ye

[stiff spire]

the dlc shows him to be the schools principal however he got fired if I would like to guess accusations of kids going missing and his reputation got tarnished and became a janitor however the animated series has a different principal it being Abanante of course

I would like to guess that the guy came first before Abanante

[lethal birch]

ooh so he was the principal before abanante

[stiff spire]

Pretty much

but idk

would love to see some tie in

[wanton roost]

i never heard about anything of kids going missing thats true?

[unkempt sleet]

I'm not sure what S3 will bring but what i think happens is that the school gets closed sometime after Murtaugh's death. and then gets abandoned to the state it's in HN2 DLC

[wanton roost]

i thought bad luck got over him cuz of the cult and abinante who is part of it took his job

[stiff spire]

Yup well that seems to be what the dlcs overview says

[stiff spire]

Would be cool

[lethal birch]

they say that an "incident" happened that got him fired

idk how much u can trust the wiki though

[stiff spire]

Oh yeah that was from the archives website

idk if its outdated bc they had a "citizens" section of it it still says under construction

[wanton roost]

i dont rlly trust that but if that happened ig the cult killed someone there and got away with it

[stiff spire]

Yeah

I think the guy was probably a really great principal all the kids seemed happy to have him I doubt he'd be a cultist

Or some shady guy

[lethal birch]

yea it makes more sense like that

[wanton roost]

Well it is obvious the cult got away with almost everything

[stiff spire]

Yeah

I honestly used to think at first Murtaugh was one of them but turned out he was just doing his job

[wanton roost]

They really wanted us to blame him first in season 2 ep 1 or 2

[stiff spire]

and he was a good mentor and teacher to Ivan which was pretty sad to see him go

yup

I remember wanting to believe Murtaugh was the crowface

[wanton roost]

It's very rare seeing ivan cry from the teachers death because of a b plus

[stiff spire]

True lol

[wanton roost]

If he got an f he'd be glad I'm sure even a c

[stiff spire]

I do find his smile creepy but hes overall a great character

I would imagine his head got uh split like the fruits that would be

yikes

[wanton roost]

There was another teacher too back in theos schooldays but that's def not murtaugh maybe its his dad

[stiff spire]

Maybe

[wanton roost]

Ivan predicted

[stiff spire]

yup

[wanton roost]

while we're talking about the AS how do u think trinity gonna escape

maybe that big gap on the bars

[stiff spire]

Maybe yeah

she might find something to file through the bars or idk

[wanton roost]

again we never seen anything of nicky and maritza

[stiff spire]

I like the final line theo gave trinity

[wanton roost]

Like no teasers

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[wanton roost]

Bro I swear to god if trinity doesn't think twice about what he just said cuz she literally didn't hear a single word theo said when be shouts where is he

Maybe because she traumatised but like cmon

[stiff spire]

True

trinity seems to be wanting to go things her own way

[wanton roost]

Or maybe she's just not listening at all cuz she never even said anything when nicky was saying "I heard stuff from peterson messed up stuff when he was a kid"

she is NOT a good leader

[wanton roost]

Exactly bruh

Go back to shelby ville where you stalked someone else maybe a grandpa walking his dog

[stiff spire]

I almost want to say Trinity did deserve to go inside the cell but at the same time idk what else to say

[wanton roost]

Don't think

That's literally true

She deserves it

From risking getting his son killed from getting all her friends plus her crush almost killed

dang she got martaugh killed too

[stiff spire]

true she put all her friends in danger

I think she might have some glow up but as for right now I dont think shes able to be redeemed

[wanton roost]

Somehow what pisses me off is sue is back with delroy and Enzo

Not sure if ab Ivan and think maritza just HATES her now

[inland folio]

what was the science teachers name

that died

[wanton roost]

Martaugh

[inland folio]

why was his hair

his hair looked like bacon strips

why did they do that

[wanton roost]

Idk

[inland folio]

he also looks like baldi to me

[wanton roost]

Peak heaircut

[inland folio]

the head is similar

they are both teachers

[wanton roost]

Not really it's a big jawline

[inland folio]

but one is murdered

and one is trying to murder you

[wanton roost]

Baldi is a circle

[inland folio]

no

baldis head is this long and terribly modeled sphere

[wanton roost]

He's a circle

Also this is lore discussion so nothing to do with baldi

[stiff spire]

I remember in the original teaser he made weird noises

[inland folio]

yeah

[stiff spire]

I'm glad they removed it

[inland folio]

i hate that murtaugh has thoose really white teeth

he looks so scary

hes even scarier then negihbors design in the series

[wanton roost]

yaa heenenhs negheggevegghh..
..

[stiff spire]

Fr

the actor must've been weirded out saying those lines

[wanton roost]

grr...HYAH hm?hm? Ahh MMMM ah?

[inland folio]

what i mean by scary is that it freaks me out that it sucks

or to me

its bad

i dont like that he has long and skinny legs

it feels like if you hit him in the knee he just crumbles

[tiny verge]

play hide and seek with you*

[tiny verge]

I can't say she deserves to be put in a cell, after all she is still a kid and so it makes sense that she'd be immature and a pretty bad leader
still though I think everyone is in the wrong

I do not think the show will end with the cult getting stopped

[tiny verge]

except Nicky all he did was get trauma and get cruelly locked in the basement by someone he trusted, he didn't really do anything to throw the whole operation away

[cold gull]

So when is S3 coming out?

[lethal birch]

tinybuilds got a lot to deal with these days

prototype 3 hn1 rework and a movie

and hn3 main game so not really sure

but probably not soon

[eager island]

its all different teams and hn1 remake is not in works

not anymore

[lethal birch]

they said they will work on it after hn3

well even thought that makes it worse

we need to wait a lot more

[eager island]

still

it isnt in works right now

[lethal birch]

yea not now

sucks

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s just on ice right now. Once HN3 is released I’m assuming they are going to take a break then move to remake development.

[lethal birch]

hope they will actually do it though

and not scrap it completely

[tiny verge]

y'know what I hope they just

reveal the entire planned Hello Neighbor 2 lore

all of what Patch 10 would have had if it could have been developed

just reveal everything

how Quentin escapes

what happens to the cult

everything in full excruciating detail

so one day someone can just mod the game to completion

[polar blade]

That would be sick ngl

[obtuse quail]

Yo

Yall it makes me sad thinking nicky is still thinking aboutif aaron is still alive

If aaron is now a middle aged man still sskinh for help its over

I think theo just sacirfices himself

[jaunty onyx]

Fair

[alpine mantle]

nah but seriously

think of hello neighbor 1

the grapichs

think about it

then look at hello neighbor 2

you should see the big difference in style

what im trying to say is that hn1 remake will proboably have hn2 style

or something similar

[tiny verge]

yeah HN2's artstyle is quite literally a more completed HN1 newart

[alpine mantle]

yeah

still hyped

im expecting a lot more clear lore or sum

[wanton roost]

HN2 artstyle kinda looks like a cartoon bro.

[stiff spire]

Idk why but just thinking about it now hn2s style reminds me of Elena's warm concept art but brought to life in 3d

Considering it was the last game she helped with the game iirc

[tiny verge]

I feel it's like

a mix of Nikita's concept art style and Elena's art style

since it has all the charm of both

that's why I think it's newart but completed

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[midnight cedar]

The HN2 art style is better in my opinion

[dreamy sluice]

have you SEEN hn1

[wanton roost]

hn1 also looks like a cartoon besides the alphas

[glacial whale]

Alpha 4

[clear lynx]

Alpha 1,alpha 4

Alpha 2 has that realistic cartoony vibe, and Alpha 3 has that horror vibe bc u cant see anything

[last loom]

Does anyone know what this item is from the ending of the comic book Hello Neighbor the Raven Brooks Disaster?

[chrome maple]

Piece of a shirt

[last loom]

Thank you

[last loom]

Sorry to ask, but do you know where this comic is in the timeline?

[chrome maple]

I dont really know anything about the books, sorry

[last loom]

It's okay, maybe someone else knows and will write to us

[chrome maple]

Hopefully

[stiff spire]

That's the final ending scene

So it ends more in of a cliffhanger

[gloomy temple]

I think I saw some books videos, this is a graphic novel and I have no idea, where it can be placed in the timeline..It makes no sense

[stiff spire]

Originally it was supposed to lead into old HN2

the book description says something about "that ties into the new hn game" the book came around 2021

Most likely leading to Hello Neighbor 2

[gloomy temple]

I stopped believing them after the Neighbor's note book

[stiff spire]

Yeah the neighbors notebook for sure is pretty bad

mostly outdated info and stuff

[tawdry dock]

I think the graphic novel is set a few years after HN2

[amber sonnet]

we love prototype house layout instead of act 1 house layout

[severe dust]

What if Maya actually Builded a base in her grave?

[fickle garden]

What if Maya actually water bucket clutched it?

[lethal birch]

[stiff spire]

what if Mya pushed Aaron instead

[ripe berry]

what if the crow pushed Aaron AND Mya

[inland folio]

then neighbor would take his best nap ever since his wife died

he didnt really like aaron anyways

trust

[wanton roost]

What if doll pushed aaron.

[lethal birch]

what if aaron pushed the doll

[inland folio]

what if i pushed aaron

[toxic flare]

What if Aaron pushed Theodore?

[glacial whale]

No cause tedor was to busy bebopping downstairs

Diane was up there though

[ripe berry]

Unbiased Hello Neighbor Timelines for Newcomers:
Games:
Nicky's Diaries Memory Scenes + Hide and Seek + HN1 Nightmare Sequences -> Act 1 -> HNVR -> Act 2 -> HN2 DLCs -> HN2 Base Game -> HN2 Forest Sidequest -> (Sometime between Act 1 and Act 3: Secret Neighbor and Hello Engineer, exact placements unclear) -> Act 3 + Finale -> Nicky's Diaries -> HN3
Books:
Bosco Bay -> Bad Blood -> Grave Mistakes -> Puzzle Master -> Missing Pieces (equivalent to Nicky's Diaries Memories) -> Waking Nightmare -> Buried Secrets (equivalent to Act 1) -> Raven Brooks Disaster -> Reset Day
Welcome to Raven Brooks:
just straight up Episode Order, with S1 Ep. 4 being Act 1, S1 Ep. 6 being HNVR and Act 2, and HN2 starting after S2 Ep. 7

(it's more complicated then this but this is the basics)

[heady vortex]

hey i have one thing in mind, where is in timeline acting the start and end of act 3/final act? is it before HN3 or in HN3 or after HN3? what do you guys think?

[shell gull]

Wanted to put something I noticed in the HN3 trailer in case people want to talk possible lore on it.

The cutouts in the trailer by the GAAP are the Golden Apple Mascot:

You can also see a giant cutout of him holding a Golden Apple at the entrance:

[stark frost]

What if the mother and sister didn't die

[wicked heath]

Then nothing ever happens

[stark frost]

Ah that's fair lol

[stiff spire]

If the neighbor never got into trouble I could imagine him spending the big bucks in Vegas

[tiny verge]

not with the neighbor and with Nicky

but the whole cult stuff would still happen

[merry cypress]

Does anybody realise that the entire HN franchise wouldn't have happened if the neighbor was never caught by nicky..? Or atleast most of the HN franchise

[shell gull]

So in P3 of HN3 The Cult still exists wanting to use Isaac for a ritual, also the Tunnels/Catacombs are in the game.

Not only that but there is an eye symbol in the note for their plan, which is The Cult symbol, so The Cult are definitely behind the scenes.

[stiff spire]

its kinda dark now that you think about it, seems like they want to sacrifice a kid

for the ritual

[wanton roost]

just like they did with maritza (well not really a sacrifice but kid wanted by cult and kid wanted by cult) prototype 3 may not be Canon but loree is aroundd

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[stiff spire]

Speaking of

||seeing the neighbors house destroyed in hn3|| i wonder what happened to it

Certainly a storm would've most likely destroyed it right or would've it been the cult

[wanton roost]

In act 3 his house is burned but since prototype 3 isn't Canon they just put that in maybe

[shell gull]

I’m glad they did a call back to the house.

[shell gull]

Of course they aren’t canon but the things and plots in the game can carry over to the Full Release even at this stage of development.

[wanton roost]

Yeah probably this is literally so big I consider it kinda like a beta now but yes even if they're not Canon the mysteries and lore can be in the final game so yes we could expect theos house maybe we're not sure

[shell gull]

Mhm.

Here’s the chalkboard I got from a screenshot, looks like The Cult wanted to sacrifice Isaac through the roller coaster to The Guest in the GAAP.

[wanton roost]

Why Isaac though the entire cult is aiming for Isaac hopefully we can know at some point maybe we missed something

[eager island]

because isaac is a kid

[wanton roost]

What does that explain they also target other more people and also hung quentin probably them waiting to start the ritual in that one teaser

[eager island]

most of cults believe that the souls of children are pure and sinless therefore offering children as the "purest sacrifice" to gods or spiritual beings will purify sins or please the gods

[wanton roost]

they didn't sacrifice maritza though

[eager island]

because maritza wasnt a ritual victim

[wanton roost]

She is still a kid tho so it makes her that right?

They could have still done it by lying to her after getting the book and sacrifice her

[eager island]

maritza kidnapped not for a ritual but to force her to do something

[wanton roost]

One of the cultists did suggest killing her tho I don't think it was originally planned on what to do with her until cultist abinante said that they can use her

[native phoenix]

Guys crazy theory, The crow Guy from HN3 Could be Nicky! He IS tall, he IS crazy (like in the series) he has Blue pants and he has a watch in his hand

Or It could be Aaron trying to protect his father or smth

[brisk hearth]

yk I think neighbor is guest plot line is back since in the ending the statue of the guest turns into ted

[wicked heath]

True

[stiff spire]

Maybe

[shell gull]

No he was just destroying it from behind.

[marsh idol]

the guest’s design in hn3 is insane, def not human

[blazing blaze]

well I guess you havent seen something

[marsh idol]

seem what

[blazing blaze]

have you seen all endings?

[marsh idol]

thats what i’m doing

now i saw it

[blazing blaze]

yup

[marsh idol]

it might be nicky i say

though i don’t think it’s the actual guest

just nicky going insane or sum, but in act 2 or 3 i believe, nicky overcame his trauma

[blazing blaze]

maybe he thought he did but he didnt
The thing probably was driving him insane and he thought that putting on the costume is gonna save him (like the mask in AS)
but The thing saw this as an advantage and took control of him

[marsh idol]

the thing isnt a sentient being

but i can see trauma overtaking someone in a way

[dreamy sluice]

based on Nicky still reliving stuff in Nicky's diaries (which appear to be much later than act 3 since his house is no longer in disrepair), and the fact all the fear minigames are called fear minigames, I interpreted act 3 as Nicky just overcoming his fears and not all of his trauma

[wanton roost]

He does have skin tho

[dreamy sluice]

look! a human!

[wanton roost]

just look at hello neighbor 3s steam photos and you'll see guest early model with skin I'm sure he also has skin in prototype 3

[dreamy sluice]

nobody said that wasn't the case

the guest has skin in proto three, blatantly

[wanton roost]

oh okay I thought you disagreed

[glacial whale]

I disagree

Because if guest is human this isn’t a good look for me

I don’t want to change my name

[marsh idol]

yea that may be human, somehow but i don't think it's the original guest

[glacial whale]

More than one guest?

[wanton roost]

maybe the guest possessed peoples bodies like venom

[vale topaz]

I believe that Franklin is pretty alive and is the guest but in such a way that Franklin faked his death to become a furry

[polar blade]

Wait who's Franklin?

[vale topaz]

Brotherbour

[polar blade]

OHHH

Got it

[woeful moat]

Nicky will have no reason to appear again since his story is done

[marsh idol]

similar to the forest protectors but whoever this is wants to BE the guest

you know like that one micheal myers movie where some kid wanted to be like micheal

[woeful moat]

there is a cult for the statue so it makes sense to assume the guest is an idea people take over

[glacial whale]

He’s the guy that invented electricity

[old crater]

I feel like The Guest in HN3 P3 has been heavily recontextulized/given a different story than the previous versions. I think that The Guest we see in HN3 is representative of the bastardization and natural corruption of history and ideas, he started off as a symbol for the native people of Raven Brooks before being twisted into a corporate mascot (tainting the image of what he is). Then with all the negative rep of the Golden Apple, he was starting to be seen as some evil cult figure (like how some people in real life believe innocent faiths and beliefs are evil based off of certain niche aspects). This is what I believe The Guest is in HN3, and it can even explain the major differences in all the games designs and narratives! Because they are all different retellings/perspectives of Raven Brooks history.

[old crater]

AND THIS EXPLAINS THE ENDING! ||The natural positive version of The Guest is constructed, thus eliminating the stigma/belief that it causes bad luck and storms. But Theodore's destruction of it represents how that idea was corrupted and turned into the destructive beast we see.||

[silk galleon]

Can anyone tell me where's the neighbor in act 3 - 4? (since the neighbor in act 3 - 4 is an illusion and just in Nicky's mind, then where is the actual neighbor, because we saw that when Nicky returns to his old home we see the the neighbors house next to it has been reduced to a foundation, and its very unlikely for the neighbor to be there, and the neighbor is in his 70s so has he moved houses or in a retirement home)

[fickle garden]

He was at the city where Nicky's apartment was sitting on a building's roof.

[vale topaz]

To add to the theory the guest in hn3 is actually Aaron who decides to follow his uncle steps of becoming a hermit that dresses up like a crow

[vagrant igloo]

Aaron is NOT GUEST
AGATHAHHWHFHSICNTK

[chrome wedge]

I know that the creators said that the guest isn't supernatural but I feel like after what he does in the books and knowing the guest got retconned we can assume he is

[vagrant igloo]

yea

[vale topaz]

Aaron has already showcased his speed on hns so its actually pausable

[vagrant igloo]

you say that as if Aaron and Mya actually went to a different world where mya jump across buildings and became a zombie for real

[chrome wedge]

I feel like it's basically canon Franklin is the guest, isn't it? I mean. it's not outright said but it points to him

oh I don't like that picture...

[vagrant igloo]

I sure hope not