lore-discussion

[ripe berry]

not to mention Leslie's line to Ted in Ep. 6 has a double meaning of him MAKING FUN of Franklin's Death

[stiff spire]

oh

wait was it the one where he said “you slipped up now you’re going down”

[ripe berry]

yeah

[stiff spire]

now that you mention it it does make a lot of sense

[ripe berry]

that's why Ted immediately went

[stiff spire]

insulted the neighbor makes me feel more bad for the neighbor

[ripe berry]

he's literally hearing Leslie make fun of his brother's death

of course he'd be mad at that

[stiff spire]

Yeah

Ngl I wish they brought in Keith in the action in the AS it’s pretty cool seeing Leslie have screen time especially since he was scrapped from HN2

[ripe berry]

yeah

[stiff spire]

Makes me wonder still the main question in ep5 I think Leslie came out with a bag of coins

[ripe berry]

because Leslie's one of the Cultists

[stiff spire]

Oh

speaking of cultists I wonder who was the one the neighbor took down in the cell

[ripe berry]

probably a minor character with no importance

[stiff spire]

maybe

I used to think Mr. Murtaugh was one of them I’m glad he wasn’t he was just a strange teacher he was a pretty cool character

[ripe berry]

yeah

[stiff spire]

I really loved the fact he stood up for Ivan though

[ripe berry]

that was what turned him from potentially evil to peakest character

[stiff spire]

that’s what a teacher should always be caring for their students

even in times of trouble

[ripe berry]

also the fact his death was foreshadowed all the way back in Episode one

[stiff spire]

the watermelon

I like how in the flashback of s2 ep1 they used a pineapple

[ripe berry]

👍

[stiff spire]

other than that I gotta dip it was nice speaking hn lore

[ripe berry]

cya!

[stiff spire]

I’m gonna watch Kpop demon hunters in theaters later

So I’m gonna get ready for that

[wanton roost]

maybe that bird with the red eyes in s2 ep1

[steel solstice]

Is this meant to be lore from the games or the animated series?

[vagrant igloo]

just hn lore in general

as a whole

[steel solstice]

Okay

I'm just kinda confused on HN 2, from what I know about where it is, does it take place between act 2 and act 3 but the Nicky's house isn't opposite the neighbours house in HN 2 but it is in act 3

[vagrant igloo]

wha

hn2 happens directly after act 2

[stiff spire]

I feel like the old hn2 alphas took place more into after act 3 like an actual sequel

idk i mean hn2 still is a sequel

[ripe berry]

they just didn't give Nicky's house a unique model

in HN2 it's the Green House with the Treehouse

the general timeline for the game is:
HNHS
HN1 Act 1
HNVR
HN1 Act 2
HN2
HE
HN1 Act 3 and Finale
HNND
HN3 (maybe)

[azure skiff]

no way HE is canon 😭

[ripe berry]

everything is canon

(I only didn't include SN, Books, and the AS because those are still hot topics when it comes to the lore)

[ripe berry]

(Cite Notation: #hn3-discussion message)

[azure skiff]

ohh yeah

[steel lantern]

Y’all recon HN3 will tie up loose ends and explain some of the obscure and confusing lore elements of the HN franchise? Including the books.

[ripe berry]

no, I think that honor goes to the AS

[steel lantern]

Isn’t the AS not canon?

Even if it is. It’s not good that people have to reach out to external media to understand what’s even going on with the story

[ripe berry]

again, everything is canon

and also- the games (for the most part) tell a cohesive story
(blame HN2 Patch 10's cancellation for that fumble)

[steel lantern]

Thing is. The books are kind of canon. And the animated show is in a weird state of limbo when it comes canonicity

[ripe berry]

the books count as external media and the games were trying to explain things where nessecary

like-

[steel lantern]

I aware the books count as external media

[ripe berry]

it's not like you NEED the books to understand the games

and again you only need the AS because tinyBuild cancelled HN2 to shift the entire development team to HN3

[steel lantern]

Thing is the books are canon and explain more lore about the forest protectors and town history more than the games do.

[ripe berry]

to be fair you don't need the town history stuff for the games

and the forest protector stuff WOULD'VE been explained had Patch 10 not been cancelled to put more focus on HN3

I'm not saying it ain't bad you need the AS to understand the games
it's just that that wasn't MEANT to be the case, and tinyBuild just fumbled the ball with HN2

and HN3 seems to be purposefully distanced from everything else

it seems to be set at the VERY end of the timeline

it also doesn't help that the different mediums contradict each other

but apparently there's some explanation for that

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel lantern]

The lore of this franchise is in such a weird state rn

But I do at least hope that HN3 can wrap up some loose ends.

It maybe be in a different style in terms of almost everything

But it can still show what happened throughout the timeline

I mean there’s even a town historian. Confirmed for the game

That has to mean something

I just hope they wrap up and explain some things

The most they can do is leave logs, missing persons files and journal entries throughout the town

Explaining past events and major moments in the timeline

Beats me what’ll happen

[marsh idol]

no, but you do kinda need the books to understand the forest protectors, the raven man, the extra lore behind why Peterson’s family died, etc

the game is more flat surfaced

but the show should clear everything up in S3

[eager island]

not really

hn2 cancelled way before hn3

[ripe berry]

RBO counts as HN3

(it got cancelled so they could work on RBO which became HN3)

[eager island]

well still not just for "hn3"

its cancelled due to low income and waste of resources/money

this also explains the splitting of the EGS into two in the post-HN2 period

[steel lantern]

That’s still not really a good thing

[marsh idol]

why not

[steel lantern]

It’s still relying on external media to explain the lore

When the lore should be explained through the games

Don’t get me wrong I love the show

But it shouldn’t be the thing that determines the story

[marsh idol]

it’s to add more depth

it’s to explain the other parts

[marsh idol]

the game still explains the lore, just vaguely sadly

but the show is the underground of the lore, giving reasons and motivations

[marsh idol]

hide and seek so far is the best example

[steel lantern]

The entirety of the Animated show explains more lore than the main games. That’s not good.

[humble crane]

Fr

[eager island]

AS explains literally nothing tho

at least for the first 2 seasons

[steel lantern]

It at least has more story and explanation

Not much but still more than the main games

[eager island]

what explanation

it tells its own story

[steel lantern]

The AS is a weird situation

Nobody knows if it’s canon or not

[eager island]

its canon

but it tells its own storyline

[steel lantern]

It still gives more story than the main games

And it also shows events that happen in the main story

Such as Nicky’s kidnapping and escape

Along with how the thing appeared into Nicky’s life

It’s not a side story

It’s a piece of external media that shows and explains major parts in the story and lore

Not that there was much to take from the main games anyway

[eager island]

misused story fragment

the thing isnt even physical entity

[steel lantern]

I’m fully aware

[eager island]

act 1/2, hnvr

[marsh idol]

more in-depth, the game still gives out the general story

[wanton roost]

itll give something maybe about mayak because i think the mayak is something deep in the story

[eager island]

AS is all for explaining mayak and the guest

[wanton roost]

yeah and i think the gaap too so its canon if it has stuff we havent seen yet

[indigo spire]

Hello everyone I'm a big fan of hello neighbor and I'm an OG but I dont fully know all of the lore I know some but not all of it can someone tell me about all of the lore

[sick bone]

Bro lore so long

İt can no in mesaage

[indigo spire]

It's that long

[marsh idol]

dms for summarization

[warm fog]

Neighbor's wife dies, he is going into a kind of depression and almost leave his children on their own. This causes his son ton accidentally kill his sister. So he decide to cover it up by locking down his son in the basement and buries his daughter in the garden. But the person you play is a friend of Neighbor's son and decide to help him getting out. In the end he gets traumatized by his adventures (act 1) to the extent of having hallucinations and imaginations issues (act 2 and 3)

[vagrant igloo]

then in act 3 he goes to sleep and resolves his childhood drama by mentally defeating the thing, his fear and drama

hn2 is right after act 2, peterson is wanted and hiding from the police, and quentin gets knocked out by a cultist and kidnapped

[silver vine]

oh hello

long time no see

what lore is still there to discuss bruh

[ripe berry]

hello

[shell gull]

Uhhhhhhhh…

No idea.

[dapper mica]

someone needs to make a fsn game like hns but its where you literally js play hide and seek normally with diane still slive and stuff

idk seems like a cool concept

[minor brook]

ok so quick question, what is the Guest supposed to be? I know that it has a cult(at least in the show he does) but like, what is it?

do we even know yet?

[eager island]

S3 will explain it

[minor brook]

ok!

[vagrant igloo]

the guest has no correlation to the cult other then the fact they worship him
it is not "his" cult

[minor brook]

OH, that makes sense, I thought that(In the show atleast) the cult was centered around the guest as they're masks look identical to the guest's massive beak, down to that being the only defining feature

[vagrant igloo]

their AS design is just weird

[wanton roost]

mayoak

orsumthin

[vagrant igloo]

mayak

[wanton roost]

no mayiakao

[ripe berry]

what.

alright, so Franklin ain't the Guest. that much is now obvious

[stiff spire]

interesting

if its not a flashback what else could it be

[ripe berry]

I'm sorry but this completely messes up any attempt at a solid timeline

the Guest is in HNVR, which is during Season 1 of the AS

but the Guest will only have their origin in Season 3 of the AS

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

so that's what this meant...

[wanton roost]

i have a feeling after ep 5 itll be like a plot twist and ep 6 is js all about guest and its a short episode

js saying cuz idk what else could that mean tbh

[eager island]

they paid for 18 episodes

[wanton roost]

oh so ig no plott twist

[sick bone]

Bro it just stupid

They dont gain money but they do animation

[wanton roost]

ye

[sick bone]

Bro they should give money to hn3

[wanton roost]

wdym

[sick bone]

They give money animation that they wont have New money

They should give moneyto hn3 because if more money may be better

[ripe berry]

it'd be Episodes 4 and 5 actually, S3 only will have 5 episodes

[wanton roost]

sadly

[silver vine]

Then wth happened to him

[wanton roost]

surely hes the guest

there isnt any other entity that aint him

for all i know in hello guest purple lightning was next to a guest statue

if the guest has an epic appearance itll prob be the same appearance as s2 ep1 after franklins fall

[vagrant igloo]

I'm surprised no one has considered
he might just be dead

[wanton roost]

if he is

then its the guest taking over his body

in hn vr he also haunts theo when sleeping it probably means he wants to take over his body

[fickle garden]

If he was just dead they wouldn't have done the purple light thing.

[ripe berry]

no clue, but if the Guest's Origin ain't a flashback it can't be him!

[eager island]

well aint the final episodes in are all mayak

that may mean they can connect to franklin about it

at least they probably gonna make franklin connected to the guest

[wanton roost]

now that i think about it its the guest itself taking over bodies

[fickle garden]

You guys know those Chinese takeout boxes in front of the neighbor's house?

That's Franklin! 😱

This is the takeout box, and it says "从坑" on the front.

It means from the pit!

And what did Franklin fall into?

A pit!

[wanton roost]

that shit is just crazy lore

[fickle garden]

The evidence checks out, Franklin turned into food... 😞

[wanton roost]

and most people say he or...

its dead.

because

neighbor ate it

[wicked heath]

Nom?

[lean spear]

cannibalism theory

[amber sonnet]

hes never seen eating the chinease food though

[ripe berry]

ok, we've officially reached insanity

[amber sonnet]

but if he never eats, how is he not dead?

[fickle garden]

He's a cannibal, and this is proof!

[wicked heath]

This could be a crime scene!

[velvet fossil]

This is a discussion channel not a fighting one, let's please be nice to each other

[fickle garden]

Fighting channel when?

[spark epoch]

It was here, i think they deleted the whole argument though

[sick bone]

Bro what happen here @spark epoch @fickle garden

[lean spear]

nothing that involves you

anyways i'm interested to see what they do with the guest in hn3

[marsh idol]

hope hes very ambigious while being major and getting some screen time and being menacing at least

with the atmosphere HN3 is putting up, i can feel the horror of a empty space again

[sick bone]

Bro you lore masters and that why i want present you my teori

İ think guest is both franklin and Aaron like a 2 soul stuck in a body, the explain is this like alex say guest origin not flashback because in season 3 end episodes which is in mayak episodes aaron that nicky save in season 1 is go to mayak somehow and he will fall to same hole that franklin fall, We won't be shown where Aaron fell, but we will see purple lights and lightning. And it will be The part that aaron body and franklin body mixed, their soul will be stuck on a body, In that explosion, a cultist who was actually there will die (perhaps just when he was about to harm the neighbor or the children) and maybe Franklin and Aaron's mixed body will wear it to hide their disgusting body (Or to fool other cultists)

After that somehow Mayak will bring them back to the past a past that in the same time with season 2 episode 3

Remember the lucy yi die in season 2? İt actually not flashback İt happen in Real time

Franklin and Aaron (in same body) use mayak for making lucy dissappear because if she dont die in roller coaster may be neighbor not be crazy they did but it make everything worse because then people think it related to neighbor somehow

That the first time that reality distorded

When Aaron and Franklin ruin everything while trying to fix it, they will try to go back to the past again and this time they will somehow start the reality where the games are that why the rescue nicky in hnvr is different the guest help aaron (which is him past) to save rescue squad because they try to save him in this reality and another reality

When they use Mayak and go back to the future (but not much future in after hn2 times), they will see that everything is ruined, there is a storm in the town and everything is ruined (patch 10)

That where aaron is find quentin and save he

But this is where Franklin will now take control.

The costume of guest is metaforiksel

The normal guest design - Aarons control and his innocent sembolik

Patch 9 guest design - Franklins control and his wanting revenge from people

Somehow they will go back to the past and that's how the Nicky trilogy will begin

They go back very past and make miguel esposito and jay roth friend

When they go back to the future, Nicky and her family will move to Raven Brooks as planned.

They try to make aarons past thing not to kill him sister

Thanks to them, Nicky and Aaron become friends, but their plan fails and Aaron kills Mya again, even faster this time (that why hide and seek time is long but nicky trilogy shortly like same day Diane and mya diye)

When they fail, they go back to the past and this triggers the Aaron trilogy and the differences in Aaron trilogy

İ think in hello neighbor 3 franklin take control again

That why he attack persons go to forest

What do you think @ripe berry

[alpine pulsar]

How am I suppose to understand that Lucy's death happened in "rEaL tImE"?

It was a flashback from what I remembered.

It's been only a couple of months since I watched WTRB

[supple tapir]

So basically the whole thing starts at 1950-1960 as I think idk and at this time Theodore Masters Peterson,s parents create the weather station
Then the 2 brothers (Franklin and Theodore) go to school and want to join the inventors club but then Franklin “Dies” idk if he is dead tho he might be the guest
Then somewhere before HN hide & seek Lucy Yi or whatever her name was dies in the golden apple amusement park and this basically starts the story we all know
Something like Off-Topic:HN 2 starts when Nicky escapes from the basement and I think like that cuz Aaron escaped at the end of act 2 and he got caught at the begging of HN2

[alpine pulsar]

I prefer the Father and Son storyline (Beta 3) tbh

the overall concept of it

[ripe berry]

what...
I just-
how does one even reach this conclusion?

[alpine pulsar]

How does your theory make sense?

[sick bone]

Bro why not it make sense

[alpine pulsar]

I'm not being rude, I'm just asking.

[sick bone]

What part you not understand

[alpine pulsar]

The whole Franklin and Aaron being two souls in one body

Aaron's still alive if I'm correct

[sick bone]

Bro that the part

İt after aaron die

[alpine pulsar]

What part in HN did Aaron die?

[sick bone]

Presumably season 3

[stiff spire]

The book depiction was different iirc it actually happened in real time I think rather than her getting killed in a flashback it happened in actuality but she didnt get killed by a thunderstrike she literally flew off the ride

The disturbing part was the neighbor said she flew like an angel

If I recall correctly

the show depicted her death very differently

[ripe berry]

I don't even know where to begin here...

[sick bone]

Bro ask the question i will answer

[ripe berry]

yeah

[sick bone]

Because it make all sense

[alpine pulsar]

Didn't Aaron ran off and was taken away or something?

[sick bone]

No

[ripe berry]

not everything
Reset Day and Raven Brooks Disaster.

[sick bone]

He ran off and ended up in mayak somehow in my theory

[sick bone]

Why you say this

[ripe berry]

how would they even work under your theory?

[sick bone]

İ not really read them

[alpine pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbour-secret-neighbour-secret-neighbor-detective-gif-6401380601456667849

Aaron got taken by the police bro

[sick bone]

No

İt false info

[alpine pulsar]

How?

How is it false info?

Where does it say it?

[sick bone]

Show proof where police get aaron

[chrome maple]

same

[alpine pulsar]

that's my assumption

alr

[scenic olive]

🥀

[sick bone]

Bro my theory is pretty good

[stiff spire]

Honestly ngl if they did the father and son story the franchise would've been really interesting in depth but I think I like how they execute what they do now

[alpine pulsar]

Since people who have escaped a person like Theo would've probably gone to either to a Telephone Box, or have gone to the police station and told them about what happened

[ripe berry]

Ok, let me summarize the plot of the Raven Brooks Disaster:
So Theodore Peterson causes a storm in Raven Brooks two random kids get involved, scene in an early version of the world seen in HNVR (here called the nest) showing the Guest as something that (due to the nature of that area presumably) can change form at will
then one of the kids convinces Theodore (who btw also talks to a crow that some theorize to be the Guest once or twice in the book) to turn off the machine
Guest hecking forms from water and attacks Theodore
next time we see them in the book the Guest has seeming been possessed by the Guest

[sick bone]

Oh

[ripe berry]

stuff happens and the Weather Station gets destroyed, but in the end it's shown that the Guest is still out there
and then in Reset Dy the Guest and Theodore are still one and the same

[sick bone]

İ think The guest reprenst aaron there Theodore think aaron is dead because he see him fall down under mayak and he want everyone feel the pain

But aaron actually want to stop he

[ripe berry]

(It's theorized but unconfirmed that this is the same storm from Hello Neighbor 2)

[sick bone]

That actually make more sense now

[stiff spire]

just wanna point it out its really cool how many renditions and changes the Mayak changed I like the AS one and the raven brooks disaster but the classic one will always be iconic it looked more like a house though

[sick bone]

İf the mayak destroed

They stuck in one reality

So the reset day and hn3 is after the mayaks destryoing

[alpine pulsar]

Grammar

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[scenic olive]

guess the country

[sick bone]

What you think Micheal

[ripe berry]

however oddly enough the Weather Station possibly is rebuilt by the time of Reset Day (or maybe it's a different one to the one we all know)

[alpine pulsar]

Idk where he lives

[sick bone]

Oh then that mean reset day is from in a different reality

[scenic olive]

its a joke🥀

[ripe berry]

I'd prefer the term timeline because it's been confirmed there's NOT a multiverse in Hello Neighbor

[sick bone]

İt not like multiverse

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[sick bone]

When they go back in time and change something the time changes

The events

[ripe berry]

(I'm on mobile right now so I can't cite notate that)

[stiff spire]

although multiverses would be cool in hn which i had initally thought it seems to be a timeline where everything is connected just like Nikita said

[ripe berry]

ok yeah no was just confused by calling them "different realities"

[sick bone]

So probably the story goes like this

The real events (we didnt see but similar to animation series) - AS - Games - nicky trilogy - Aaron trilogy - reset day - graphic novel 2 (mayak destroys) - hello neighbor 3

That explain why they stuck in one timeline

İn Hello Neighbor 3 probably Franklin is in control where aaron is now passive

Because There is nothing to gain or lose for him anymore

[ripe berry]

I mean it's possible...

[stiff spire]

Franklin would be cool if we got to see him if he was mentioned in a game

physically or in a photo or something

[sick bone]

[sick bone]

İ think my teori good

[ripe berry]

want more proof AS comes first?
the AS is the only point in the entire timeline where Nicky is depicted with Blue Eyes rather then Brown Eyes
he gains the Brown Eyes while in the Basement and they remain for every depiction of him afterwards (in your theory that'd be some kind of remnant from the time travelling similar to how the Gemstones in Reset Day let people remember past time loops)

[stiff spire]

wait are the luck devices still canon

since everything is still canon

[ripe berry]

everything is canon so yeah

[stiff spire]

Nice

[sick bone]

İ think the cult is not connected to guest (Franklin/Aaron)

[stiff spire]

I was honestly sad when I used to think they were replaced with the golden apple coins until Nikita said everything's still canon

they were quite powerful and were very cool looking

[sick bone]

The cult was something that existed before them may be they were praying something like guest and franklin in guest body manipulated them

While Aaron was passive

He act like the god they pray probably

[ripe berry]

there's a canonical reason for that
the luck devices were buried underground at the end of the Aaron Trilogy, so the cult would obviously need to replace them with other things that serve similar purposes

[stiff spire]

Ah makes sense

I honestly forgot what happened in the later Aaron trilogies

[sick bone]

İs my teori good@ripe berry

[stiff spire]

I would love if they made another HN book in the future again beit another graphic novel or if they got Carly Anne West to write another one or a new author idk

[ripe berry]

it's alright. I don't believe it personally but it's alright as an idea

[stiff spire]

She did say she'd love to write another book

[sick bone]

İ think it not 100% true but May be %60

[ripe berry]

Alex actually wants the same iirc (really wishing I wasn't using mobile right now so I could send proof)

[stiff spire]

in a forum post I read before

Ah

[ripe berry]

but alex mentioned the idea of making a new book after the movie at some point

[stiff spire]

thats cool

cause honestly the last book we got was 4 years ago ending off with graphic novel 2 or was it reset day I forgot

[ripe berry]

it was Graphic Novel 2/The Raven Brooks Disaster

[stiff spire]

I remember buying it in Target lol

never took the time to read the first one but I heard its not too important it just deals with supernatural phenomena and stuff but it does take place in one of the neighbors other parks

which seems cool but we all know what happened to the rides he built

[stiff spire]

https://tenor.com/view/moon-rollercoaster-gif-24606475

[ripe berry]

yeah
GN1 is kinda the odd book out for not really having any real importance to the overall narrative

[stiff spire]

From what I recall 2 girls sneak into the park because one of them wanted to know what happened to her brother and what's crazy is she gets in contact with him spiritually

Honestly not really a fan of ghosts in HN

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[stiff spire]

Maybe entities sure but departed ghosts

looks weird to see in hn just my honest take

[hallow jay]

I sharted on neighbour

[stiff spire]

lore leak

[lean spear]

the final piece of the puzzle has been found

thank you, kind stranger!

[shell gull]

If they could finish what was going on in RD and drop huge explanations on the lore (Mainly The Guest) I’d be happy.

[vagrant igloo]

Hide and seek
act 1
hnvr
act 2
hn2
act 3
diaries
hn3
reset day

HE happens sometime around act 2
the AS happens sometime before act 3

this is my best guess at the timeline

[ripe berry]

[full crown]

Theory: Nicky locked nerdboy from the spin-off and tv series inside of the hello neighbor nicky house. Evidence: Glasses in the door under the stairs, you cant find nerdboy alive in hello neighbor game, nicky has no glasses

[vale topaz]

What if Nicky was the bad guy all along? The thing is clearly Nicholas from the future

[snow summit]

I agree with everything, but there is one point. In the 3rd act the neighbor's house is destroyed, but in reset day it is whole.

[shell gull]

It’s implied in RD to take place after HN1 so would’ve been rebuilt by The Guest most likely since it was his lair.

[stiff spire]

Cool

I used to want to believe in the hn2 alphas the Guest built some extra home thing near the neighbors one the one that was really burnt with the nest on the very top

the fenced house

[vagrant igloo]

reset day is in 2021
act 3 is 2015 or 2017

[shell gull]

I know what you mean, it’s pretty implied to be rebuilt since iirc there was scaffolding by the house in RD.

But that might just be me miss remembering.

[vale topaz]

I actually forgot, is Lisa Peterson confirmed to be the neighbors sister and not just like a cousin or something like that?

[stiff spire]

Interesting never read reset day I should probably buy it

Reset day is the only HN book I have never read last book I read was puzzle master

[shell gull]

It’s definitely a very good one, though most of it is very weird to understand since it’s left off without any sequels.

[spice mango]

Can somebody explain what happens in reset day, I dont like readimg c:

Isnt it like a book

[chrome maple]

it is

[tired spindle]

TW:mention of death I wish we got more lore of Maritza's and Enzo's mom in the lore. I mean like all we know in the books from aaron in book 4 is that his ||mom died when enzo was young and i think she died from childbirth in the book lore because if enzo was super young and Maritza came after him. It just seems like that. I might be wrong tho||

And that in book 1-3 nicky mentions there's a picture in the Esposito house with a framed picture of her

And it only a few lines

So i really need more lore or even a book on Luanne,Jay, Miguel and his wife bring college buddies idk

Because then there's more lore on Miguel's wife

(I'm not talking about tv show lore)

[marsh idol]

yea i agree

[marsh idol]

yea, and the Guest is clearly Trinity from the future too

[tired spindle]

It would be nice to get some more lore but the lore is so messy 🙃

[cloud brook]

Lore: Nicky is Quentin son

[tired spindle]

No?

I thought he was jay's son?

Because in the books. Nicky's parents were called Luanne and Jay

[wanton roost]

no

[livid pilot]

Its my dream when I have temperature +148

[potent harness]

He is

[marsh idol]

yea it’s unfortunate because HN undoubtedly has one of the best lore in indie mascot horror, despite being one of the worst which is just awe

[tired spindle]

Thanks. Because someone said Nicky was Quentin's son

[tired spindle]

😭 i just want something stable

[fervent dove]

@tired spindle hnr

[manic dirge]

dead internet theory

[chrome maple]

what does that have to do with anything

[pale urchin]

W speed

[fervent dove]

@chrome maple wsg

[chrome maple]

what

[fervent dove]

hyd

[chrome maple]

im good

[tired spindle]

I wonder if Martiza hair color is related to her mom or just dyed? I would have loved to get enzo and maritza lore as I feel they are not touched upon enough. We only see them in pov of aaron and nicky. I want to see lore of Martiza and Enzo's mom, dad (we do have some lore for him tho) but it be nice to see his relationship with his wife and stuff. I wonder what Maritza's and Enzo's mom funeral was like hm. Also it's mentioned ONCE that enzo has cousins. Because nicky was like saying he couldn't visit enzo because he was visiting his cousins. Btw. I'm not talking about tv show lore. Book lore 😄

[wicked heath]

Mrs Esposito came back from the dead in AS

Strangely enough

[stiff spire]

Yup

[fickle garden]

Is The Forest Protectors cult technically a shadow government?

[wicked heath]

Government would be a bit far

[fickle garden]

Well more so of only the town but isn't the mayor a part of it too?

[tired spindle]

I wonder why?

[tired spindle]

i feel like it was weird to make her alive when she was dead already. They could have expanded that. Maybe even connect it to the forest protectors? It's kind of a mystery theme of a show/game/books Maritza's and Enzo's mom that could of ||died from childbirth/forest protectors||. (These are my theories on how she died in the books) but i feel it would been cool to make her death in the books mysterious to hit the theme which was kind of mystery,horror kind of. I'm not good with themes. Or maybe thrillers? Idk. But my point is.... I'm sad that the creators of hn didn't end up exploring all the ways they could have made Ms Esposito interesting by her death or who she was like before she died. Yet she's alive in the show and treated as a background character when she can be much more then that. If we ever got a martiza and Enzo's pov only book. She would prob be more then a background character as she might be the main issue in the book. I just wish carly anne west continued said books. Ughh fanfic ideas ig

[stiff spire]

at the same time it's confirmed that everything is still canon from the cartoon, games, and even the books but not in the way we'd expect
#old-rbo-discussion message

in some way

[vagrant igloo]

my bet is the AS is a retelling of act 2 based off a combination of the kid's memories, as the AS takes place during early 2000s but act 2 does not

[stiff spire]

Maybe

[split oriole]

It's probably a new wife

[split oriole]

Possibly because it is not relevant to the plot, the main focus of the story of the first trilogy of books and the animated series is Theodore, the basement and his childrens. Esposito's mother is mentioned to give more context to the lives of Enzo and Maritza, so that they do not feel like empty characters.

[stiff spire]

Something I just realized since everything is still canon, the thing that I feel bothered about is in the books iirc didn’t Mya and Maritza ride behind Lucy Yi when she went on because in the animated series they’re no where to be seen it’s just her riding it

I don’t know it’s been a while since I read the books but I feel like they did

[wicked heath]

Yeah they did

[stiff spire]

Oof

[tired spindle]

Yeah. I hate that they changed it. I would want to really see how they would handle trauma filled characters uh kind of failed my expectations. And did aaron ever meet nicky in the show?

If he did. He doesn't seem that sad aaron is gone

What i meant

Is that he's more focused on mr peterson being a murderer

Not really like on the kids

[stiff spire]

Yeah i mean everything is still confirmed to be canonical but it seems that the cartoon seems to be taking things a tad bit differently

[tired spindle]

I just want them to not change anything anymore

[stiff spire]

like a whole new canon but then again everything is canon but not in the way we'd think it to be

[tired spindle]

This is why i stick to the book lore. 😔

[stiff spire]

Yeah i mean the books are still 100% canon but yeah

My favorite book characters are Gordon Cleave

And Norman Darby

ike too

I remember Nicky having a grandma in the books where she told him not to wander and stuff and since he was always curious she'd take it up to a whole new level she let Nicky go alone and try to find his way back to her which made Nicky get all nervous and build his fears

I'd say Nickys grandma was messed up directing towards Nicky but at the same time she wanted Nicky to learn the consequences of his actions

She definitely loved Nicky as her grandson and did the right thing for him

[livid pilot]

Wow I don't know about that

I don't read books about Nicky

For now

[stiff spire]

You should the books they are pretty good I think you'll definitely like it

One condition do not buy the Neighbors Notebook very outdated information

[livid pilot]

I only read secret of Bosco bay , raven Brooks diaster, bad blood , grave mistakes, puzzle master

[stiff spire]

Ah

wait mb I misread your question I thought you never read any of the books lol thats mb

[stiff spire]

thats pretty cool though

Only book i hadnt read yet was Bosco bay

[livid pilot]

Well it was like a start of neighbor story but I don't like it like raven Brooks diaster

[stiff spire]

Oh nice

yeah from what I've heard Bosco Bay deals with supernatural phenomena not a fan of that in HN

[livid pilot]

Yeah it very strange for hn

[stiff spire]

But yeah raven brooks disaster is the best HN book originally i believe it was supposed to connect to HN2 at the time during the old lore

[livid pilot]

I think books better than graphic novels

[wicked heath]

AS lore is just book lore, but rushed

[stiff spire]

Yeah

[wicked heath]

And a few extra steps

[stiff spire]

I think both books are good but I respect your opinion 👍

Only book i hadnt read yet was reset day lol

[wicked heath]

We all used to think this book sucked bc it barely connected to anything

[livid pilot]

Mayor looks so funny on it emoji

[wicked heath]

Then we have HN3

[stiff spire]

Yup I did hear though reset day is pretty good as well as a cliffhanger ending

[livid pilot]

Well I'm from Russia and this book still doesn't have translation on Russian

[stiff spire]

Oof

[wicked heath]

(IF ONLY THEY CONTINUED IT!!)

[livid pilot]

So I don't read reset day too

[wicked heath]

Oh damn i didnt get warned for cap lock

[stiff spire]

Fr I think HN3 will bring something like that to the mix idk

[tired spindle]

She was called bubbe by nicky i think

[stiff spire]

I wonder how Nikita will process it later on in development but as we're still in early development I think it'll definitely be a long while from now

I do feel like HN3 will be some kind of concluding point idk

[tired spindle]

Yeah :/

[stiff spire]

to the neighbors story

unless they pull a cliffhanger idk it would definitely be sad if the neighbor did die

[livid pilot]

What if hn3 it is last hn game

[wicked heath]

Bubbe is a grandma name like granny

[tired spindle]

I didn't know that

That's interesting

[stiff spire]

I remember she called Nicky boychik

[wicked heath]

Like pop being a grandpa name

[livid pilot]

What are you think

[tired spindle]

And that one quote about him wandering

[stiff spire]

Yup

she died though but she was blind if I recall

[wicked heath]

Yes

[stiff spire]

but she saw Nicky clearer than anyone else lol

[tired spindle]

Wonder who the grandad was

[stiff spire]

I guess she thought she was a bright boy

[wicked heath]

Nicky’s bubbe knew how Nicky lets his curiosity get the best of him and causes him to do stupid stuff

Like sneak into a man’s house with 0 chances of coming out of here alive

[stiff spire]

Yeah i guess sometimes our curiosity gets the best of us, for Nicky i guess his let on more than he can handle as he got lost and found himself in the basement

[tired spindle]

She's psychic my guess lol

[wicked heath]

Buried Secret’s prologue had Nicky wandering far from his house cus he was distracted exploring and playing

While her grandma watched to see how far he would go

[tired spindle]

Then he was distracted with Aaron and mya. History does repeat itself

[stiff spire]

Nickys grandma although she was a minor character she was pretty haunting in some way

[tired spindle]

Matches the theme of the story

[wicked heath]

WTRB trinity didnt have someone like that :(

[stiff spire]

only her comedic parents and her moms obsession with 13 outlets

lol

[wicked heath]

Im upset that they made it clear Trinity had… experience with snooping around and obsession, but they have not seriously brought it up at all.

Ik it COULD be explored in S3, but man, S1 wouldve been a way better timing

Since its about her going to Peterson’s

[stiff spire]

For sure I think more insight on Trinity would have been cool to see since we only see it when Mr. Peterson mentions he knew Trinity snooped around in her old town Shelbyville

[shell gull]

Literally just took Nicky’s book personality and backstory and gave it to Trinity.

[stiff spire]

that got her in trouble

[stiff spire]

Yeah sadly

not gonna lie this is why I don’t like the cartoon, it’s pretty inconsistent but I mean it’s pretty cool I still can’t wait for s3 though I think it’ll be awesome

[shell gull]

Which I don’t want to hate on Trinity but don’t get why they wanted to have her be the MC when Nicky made the most sense.

[shell gull]

Yeah for sure, it’s inconsistent but still good.

[stiff spire]

one thing I wish was they kept Lucy yi’s death the same as the book they made her get struck by lightning or something

[shell gull]

“Ah yes let’s swap the MC with a side character and give her the one to one personality and backstory of the original MC for some reason”

Like it’s so unnecessary.

[shell gull]

Yeah, in the books it made sense since bad luck and Ted’s poor use of design.

Now it’s not even Ted’s fault with his mistakes and bad lucks.

It’s just the cults fault.

[stiff spire]

Yup

I still want to know what and how Nikita’s say on everything being canon but not in the way you think means and what it means for all lore (books, games, and the AS)

[shell gull]

Yeah no it’s so weird, the thing that makes the most sense is it’s all just from different perspectives, which makes sense knowing how twisted memories and characters see things in this franchise.

[stiff spire]

For sure

I remember some weird canon that the alpha player of HN was canon as there were magazines in SN, and if looked at closely it said Spying on a Journalist, and showed the players old yellow car

As well as the alpha 1 neighbors house

I think it was just made for being an Easter egg

[stiff spire]

I believe there were 2 magazines with Nicky’s old car in it

[quick dagger]

Those were found outside the map I think so it's more than likely a easter egg.

[stiff spire]

Yup still find it cool how they referenced the old alphas of hn1

[weak arch]

wait so guys i got a theory for the movie, is it okay if i yap

[stiff spire]

Sure go ahead

[weak arch]

AWESOME

so basically

a youtuber i just watched said that in the movie they casted someone officially, but they didn't play a big role, so maybe perchancably FGTEEV duddy is going to get a cameo?? PLEASE 😭

[stiff spire]

I mean I could see them being in the movie not as an important character of course maybe like a one time off cameo like they say hello to the neighbor or something

[fallen mirage]

Is it just me or have we basically gotten no substantial lore ever since the beginning of HN2? There was so much going on (books, games, etc.) lore-wise and then right as HN2 released, we had basically nothing. Aaron getting locked in the attic of the museum and that was really it. Plus, Reset Day never went anywhere. Is there a reason why they stopped the books/will Carly Anne West ever start writing them again? And with the show, there really wasn't anything substantial either; so much of it was just filler content that didn't really amount to anything. I know they're being a bit secretive about HN3 and all, but it really doesn't look like we're getting anything lore-wise there either like at ALL. Coned, signed, covered, Isaac, the Historian, the Grocer, none of them feel like they have any plot relevance at all because we genuinely have never seen them before. I could be wrong but it feels like HN3 is only a spiritual successor of the Hello Neighbor franchise because lore-wise, we really have nothing to go on other than the "storm coming."

[stiff spire]

They are planning on making more HN books in the future their plans being after the movie #hello-neighbor message

as for the others, everything is still canon (games, books, and even the cartoon) However it’s not in the way we’d expect it but it seems like they did the cartoon a tad bit different than what we’re used to I remember someone having a nice theory which I would agree with the reason why the cartoon is different is because it’s within different perspectives on the kids

[fallen mirage]

It just sucks considering how we've stuck with this franchise for so long and it feels like the last actual lore developments we've gotten were years and years ago. I wish they would give us something more relevant than randomly introducing the neighbor's "brother" or something and then having him not show up again for a while, and potentially not at all considering how they're probably gonna need crowdfunding to continue the show. So many aspects of this franchise could easily be built upon, but the new game just feels so out of left field considering art style, direction, and story.

[stiff spire]

True

In the books he did have a sister who was important but was never mentioned again her name is Lisa Peterson when Nicky found her number after "hearing word" Aaron and Mya were staying with her she said no and thats when Nicky knew something was up

[tribal dome]

I just know he has a basement

Why is it dead

[shell gull]

Hmmm I think I remember that.

[willow depot]

Say it with me folks /hj

[brisk hearth]

Wait what that's actually huge ( or at least it might be ).

[stiff spire]

Canon

[shell gull]

Wasted potential character man.

Still can’t stop thinking about how dirty they did him.

[willow depot]

Same

Gotta love it when you ask tinyBuild to add a character and they listen

Except you find the characters in question in the cemetery.

With no further elaboration whatsoever.

He's not even tied to MJ or anything he's just there now

[brisk hearth]

I think smith is norman darby

[willow depot]

Could be

Norman at least from the physical description resembles Quentin more but like

Smith is shaved

Can't really say much for or against

[shell gull]

Well I mean…we been through the ropes on that but yeah no it’s so dumb how they waste so much potential on things, HN2 was a mess with consistency.

[willow depot]

Essentially Security Breach of HN

[shell gull]

For sure, good analogy.

Though I’d say much worse.

[willow depot]

(referring to the communication problem that became the cause for the game to essentially have no coherent story that could be connected to anything)

(plus other things)

[shell gull]

The amount of potential in HN2 was insane and was only pushed to its least.

That’s why based off what we’ve seen and know of what HN3 is supposed to be I hope they do it well and push it to its most.

Though HN2 has forever scarred my mindset on HN development so I’m always very low on expectations with HN3.

[brisk hearth]

hn2 was basically just a hn1 graphical overhaul with multiple neighbor and house reskins. The game also introduced the amazing mechanics of no sandbox elements, worse physics and terrible ai ( no offence EG ).

[stiff spire]

Yeah thats why I'm sort of not of a big fan of how HN2 turned out basically its just a retell of the first game but you have like multiple neighbors, and stuff and while it may be new its just the same thing is what I would say

The only time HN2 would've felt different and went through some new direction was definitely during the alpha period when the Neighbor went missing because it seemed like he was getting a taste of his own medicine and stuff and it felt more like a sequel since it would've most likely took place after act 3

I mean I think HN2 still turned out alright and I respect the developers for releasing what they could and stuff to bring out a sequel to the first game ever since Nikita left due to his burnout but I'm looking forward to the third game hoping it's going to bring a whole new story which seems most likely

[willow depot]

ngl I'm not even really hyped or happy for HN3 right now since to me it just seems like it's marking time

Open world, a bunch of interactable new characters, doesn't all that sound familiar

except before it was actually set in the time frame of the main events, you kinda had a reason to look forward to all of that because it was REALLY tied together to the story and all

The heck happened up at the Mayak? What is man in the hat gonna do with it when he finds it? What da cult is doing?

that sort of stuff

HN3 is promising and all, with these new people filling up a post-apocalyptic looking town, but we kind of REALLY could use more familiar faces aside from Guest and Theodore

however thing is that by now they're either all wrinkled to hell and back (plus implying that they wouldn't be really having any character development until just now lol), or laid in the ground

the only exceptions I'm seeing being maybe Beatrix and Smith because despite their graveyard cameos they're still quite open-ended and the stretchable canon of the franchise could allow for soft-retcons of sorts

...Or Nicky

[shell gull]

Right now for me when it comes to story I’m not that big on it right now, it’s really just the core concept of actions affecting things that keeps me interested.

[willow depot]

same

[shell gull]

See I agree on that though I doubt the Team is bringing any past characters that aren’t iconic back, one of the reasons The Guest and Ted are returning is because they’ve both been staple characters of the franchise now.

[willow depot]

funnily enough aside from those two the only HN trademark left is the storm

[shell gull]

BUT I am very happy their bringing The Guest back out of anyone in the franchise The Guest was done the most dirty as a character, was super hyped up with marketing and became a side quest that got added in a later update, I hope that in HN3 they actually give him the justice he deserves and based off things we’ve seen and found out it seems he is heading towards that direction.

[shell gull]

Yup, weird to me how non of the main HN games utilize weather and storms when it’s such an important staple in the franchise.

Hopefully HN3 continues to use it.

[shell gull]

He’s such an interesting character that got done so dirty in his main game he got done 10x worse than Vanny in Security Breach.

[willow depot]

it's just kind of hard for me to accept that after everything that has happened they'd actually just let missed potential stay missed potential

and I'm probably gonna keep on holding out hope for it to not be the case until I search through every bush and make sure they actually didn't keep Smith in on accident or something

[shell gull]

I agree HN1 and 2 with how they messed up and loss potential has both caused me to be super wary about HN3, while HN2 is my favorite game in the franchise for reasons I still know it’s definitely the biggest miss and loss of potential the HN franchise has had, HN3 I’m 100% low on expectations so I don’t overhype myself, though seeing them be open on development and admit mistakes is very positive.

[sick bone]

Hello

[unkempt sleet]

i cant wait to get more lore so we can use this channel by its actual purpose

[wanton roost]

ifff only we get a small part of HN3 story or a teaser for seasonn3

[shell gull]

Yeah right now it’s just a bunch of nothing to talk about.

[ripe berry]

Theodore is 85 years old in HN3
which, using my current understanding of Theodore being born in 1948-1950 (47 in HNHS as said in one of the dev qna livestreams), puts HN3 in 2033-2035

[wanton roost]

I don't get it tho if the game takes place in 2028 then.

I dunno

[ripe berry]

those people are using 51 in HNHS and doing the math from there

[brisk hearth]

Nikita said he was born in 1943

[ripe berry]

wait he did?

[brisk hearth]

yeah

in hn3 discussion

[ripe berry]

nevermind then

2028 it is

[polar epoch]

Shouldn’t there be proper touch screen phones then?

[ripe berry]

this puts HN3 AFTER Reset Day and HN1 Act 3/Finale

[brisk hearth]

yes

[polar epoch]

I think it could be the last game

[wanton roost]

Hope not

[ripe berry]

it's def gonna be the last chronologically

[wanton roost]

Then a HN1 remake

[ripe berry]

(I doubt they're gonna make anything set after like March 2028 timeline-wise)

[polar epoch]

Mayak will be destroyed in this case of 2028

In HN3

So we will never see it

Since it got destroyed in GN 2

[ripe berry]

(March is the earliest spring month possible)

[ripe berry]

wasn't it still standing in RD?

(aka it got rebuilt?)

[polar epoch]

No

[ripe berry]

odd, I swear it was

[polar epoch]

I don’t think so

[polar epoch]

How would it even get rebuilt

Who

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar epoch]

Theo would not

[ripe berry]

just could've sworn it got mentioned at some point

[polar epoch]

It was

Not rebuilt

[wanton roost]

If we can go to the amusement part in HN3

We could go to mayak if it wasn't destroyed there should be a HN game about mayak or somethin

[polar epoch]

It did in GN2

[polar epoch]

The park is abandoned now and only Iris is there

To take care of it

[vagrant igloo]

iris is only temporarily there

[polar epoch]

Yes at night

[vagrant igloo]

no I mean
for the prototypes

[wanton roost]

Yea but I meant

Playable

In a game

[polar epoch]

If it does show it would be just the ruined state

Not something to go inside

[wanton roost]

Yeah but I meant another HN game

About mayak

[polar epoch]

That would be actually interesting

That means

[wanton roost]

Yep

[polar epoch]

It could have

Roger

[wanton roost]

wait

Hold on

we should actually have a game

About Roger

And what happened to him

[polar epoch]

Yes

[polar epoch]

Not just about him

[wanton roost]

that would go so insane

[wanton roost]

Oh yeah the pit too

[vagrant igloo]

and adelle

[polar epoch]

I was about to say Adelle

[wanton roost]

Yea her too

[wanton roost]

Them both and the pit cuz why was the pit even there

And why are there tunnels

[polar epoch]

I have a feeling

[polar epoch]

That Roger, Adelle and the original forest protectors built it

[wanton roost]

It kinda would make sense probably

Maybe

I feel like before forest protectors were forest protectors

They used to work with roger

Then they betray him

[polar epoch]

And some sort of thing happened

[wanton roost]

probably

[polar epoch]

Death of a Forest Protector

[ripe berry]

remember that Mayak is where it all starts, and that the cult's likely existed since the 1800s

[wanton roost]

Yep also the forest protectors now used to be like the inventors club figuring out about the ravens and mayak

[polar epoch]

Everything did start because of the Mayak

[old spoke]

Didn't the forest protectors steal the luck device from Adelle and Roger?

[ripe berry]

(Alex said Mayak's where it all starts)

[polar epoch]

Maybe the Mayak was used to analyze the ravens also

Also

[wanton roost]

Yep

[polar epoch]

A weather station and raven analyzer

[wanton roost]

It'd be very cool to get a game similar to secret of the mimic but it's like mayak

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[polar epoch]

I have one question I am confused

[ripe berry]

and the cult existing since the 1800s is bc the books imply they date back to the founding of the town, which HN3 confirms is in the 1800s

[ripe berry]

?

[polar epoch]

Did Roger build the luck device or forest protectors

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton roost]

Forest maybe

[polar epoch]

But why would Ike have the blueprints

In his wallet

[wanton roost]

Hm I dunno tbh I didn't read the books so I barely know Ike all I know is that he probably died?

[polar epoch]

He did die

[wanton roost]

How

[polar epoch]

Forest protectors

[wanton roost]

Rip ike.

Forest protectors existed way back

If they are connected with roger

Wait no

They probably got jealous of Rogers work.

It's randomly said

But I don't know or can't figure out any other option

[polar epoch]

Also Roger made Meteorology more bigger

[wanton roost]

Roger was like some man who knows raven brooks is all in for its weather and he wanted to make a weather station to know about the weather

I don't know why probably to warn people

[wanton roost]

Yeah

[polar epoch]

That’s why the Peterson family were famous

[wanton roost]

So maybe..

[polar epoch]

It’s also confusing whether he was from Germany or US

[wanton roost]

The forest protectors wanted more luck than him a better life or something

[wanton roost]

Do we know where raven brooks takes place in?

Like country

[polar epoch]

Nikita said originally it was going to be its own

But they might have had to compromise

[wanton roost]

Hmm

maybe he WAS from Germany

not sure.

Since we never know this lore and were just trying to figure out about Roger

And if he's connected with forest protectors and his wife etc

[old spoke]

Raven Brooks is in Missouri Usa

[full crown]

is nobody concernd that we have never seen buzz lightyear and hello neighbor in the same room

[polar epoch]

Theo was born in US

Same with his brother and sister

[vagrant igloo]

wait-

[wanton roost]

brother and sister

This remindsnme

Are we ever getting lore about theos sister

I think there is from the booos

Books

But I never read them

[polar epoch]

Barely

She only got one appearance in the book

[wanton roost]

"There's more secrets than locks"

[polar epoch]

I know

But only one time

She has a appearance

[wanton roost]

She should somewhat be included again

[polar epoch]

If only in HN3

She could come

[wanton roost]

Wonder if theo even remembers about her

[polar epoch]

I think he would

[vagrant igloo]

honestly
it's possible that
historian could be her

its unlikely sure

but possible

[wanton roost]

So she a big sister then

[polar epoch]

Of course not

If it was the historian then she would have some similarities to Theo

[vagrant igloo]

says who

its a game

[polar epoch]

Genes 🧬

[vagrant igloo]

still a game

[old spoke]

She's the younger sister of Theodore

[polar epoch]

Yes exactly

[vagrant igloo]

like I said
it's possible
but unlikely

[wanton roost]

Ah then I'm wrong

[polar epoch]

Theo is the middle child

[wanton roost]

Man I gotta read those books

[old spoke]

Also Theodore would have to be half blue

[polar epoch]

Jonah you forgot one thing

Theo’s sister lives somewhere else

Not in Raven Brooks

[vagrant igloo]

ok

and

[polar epoch]

So it won’t be her

[vagrant igloo]

she could've moved
but like I said
even tho it is possible
it is UNLIKELY

[wanton roost]

or the neighbor just avoids her

[polar epoch]

According to HN age system

[old spoke]

Why did they change the people to be weird colored

[wanton roost]

And deals with bigger problems

[polar epoch]

Lisa would look younger

[old spoke]

Like blue

[wanton roost]

Artstyle

[vagrant igloo]

purely artstyle

nothing more

[polar epoch]

Lisa would look younger

[vagrant igloo]

neighbor is very old

so she would be too

[old spoke]

Maybe the sister is fake since it was said that Mya and Aaron were with her when they went missing. And there's literally only her name that is known.

[polar epoch]

Than the historian

[vagrant igloo]

they actually called her

[wanton roost]

also is it weird that Lucy got struck on lightning then disappear or is that a thing that can happen

Like

She got them seat belts on

[polar epoch]

In HN3 concept art he looks like in his Late 60s to early 70s but that was wrong

Same way

[vagrant igloo]

how would we even know if it was wrong

[polar epoch]

He is 85

[wanton roost]

If neighbor dies he going to guest world/j

[vagrant igloo]

I'm not even saying historian is lisa

[polar epoch]

He was born in 1943

[vagrant igloo]

I never ever said she was

[vagrant igloo]

and we don't know when hn3 happens

[polar epoch]

We do

2028

[wanton roost]

2028

[vagrant igloo]

what

[polar epoch]

Nikita said

[old spoke]

Since when

[polar epoch]

Earlier today

Since is after Reset day

[wanton roost]

are we living in the reset day events or

Because in like 3 years HN3 Is happening

[polar epoch]

Shouldn’t Touch screen tech be in HN3

[old spoke]

Reset Day is set in 2021

[wanton roost]

Yeah but I meant irl

Since HN3 is in 2028

[old spoke]

Then i guess yes

[wanton roost]

Are we living in the events of rbd

[vagrant igloo]

the town is basically abandoned
why would they have high quality tech and stuff

[polar epoch]

Reset day

[wanton roost]

H a. Lf

[old spoke]

Ain't that in 2010

[vagrant igloo]

the town is still abandoned

[polar epoch]

Had proper phones

[wanton roost]

Raven brooks disasta

[vagrant igloo]

this is 7 years after reset day

a lot can happen

in 7 years

[polar epoch]

Does that mean time loops can also come

In HN3

[vagrant igloo]

they probably fixed it after reset day

[wanton roost]

Loops happened in hello neighbor hefore

[old spoke]

Yeah HN Raven Brooks disaster is supposed to take place in 2010

[vagrant igloo]

by finding who was doing it

7 years is a long time like I said

[wanton roost]

Hm I feel like I'm the one getting mixed up

[polar epoch]

It could never get fixed

[wanton roost]

But yeah I say this cuz of what I've seen in the AS

[polar epoch]

They only had a device

[vagrant igloo]

well someone was doing it

[polar epoch]

Guest

[vagrant igloo]

that someone could be stopped

[vagrant igloo]

or neighbor

[polar epoch]

He already attacked Raven Brooks

By causing the flood

[vagrant igloo]

and

?

either way
the time loops could've stopped within 7 years

so

[polar epoch]

The Guest did

In Reset day

[vagrant igloo]

ok

I read reset day
she saw both a man with a mustache and a bird thing

it could be either

guest or Peterson

[polar epoch]

The Guest sent a picture to Piper of the Neighbor

[old spoke]

Well people like engineering and tech in Raven Brooks. And the first smartphones came out in 2007 and the AS could take place in 1996 or 97 just 10-11 years before smartphones. So is it a loop for sure?

[vagrant igloo]

literally no proof the guest sent it

[eager island]

since when

[vagrant igloo]

AS happens in early 2000s

[old spoke]

Since 2021 when the book came out

[eager island]

im asking whats your source

[old spoke]

Hello Neighbor wikifandom.

[vagrant igloo]

fandom isn't super accurate

[polar epoch]

Wiki.gg is

[eager island]

wiki gg neither

and i dont really think wiki gg do mention its in 2010 or smth

[old spoke]

I thought that the dates are confirmed since i haven't read the books yet.

And the websites are updated by HN fans so i assumed that they would know.

[old spoke]

Didn't Principal Abanante in AS say that Diane died "last year"?

[vagrant igloo]

yes

but still

the AS takes place during early 2000s

[polar epoch]

She die as around 35 +-

[old spoke]

Diane died in 1995. So AS is supposed to be in 1996

[vagrant igloo]

since it is in early 2000s
my guess is it's a retelling of act 1 and 2 through the kid's memories

[vagrant igloo]

it's confirmed early 2000s

[old spoke]

Yeah. Almost all of the games change the look of Raven Brooks. And in Hello Neighbor 1 there's cardboard cutouts and in Hello Neighbor 2 there's actual people. So every character see the world differently.

[polar epoch]

I have a feeling Diane knew some things about the Forest Protectors

And the past

[old spoke]

Maybe they killed her

[wanton roost]

What I mean by loop is what happened tl the old inventors club (the bullies) there are papers about a house burn and mayak and crows while the future one is the GAAP and crows

And theos house

[polar epoch]

She died from a car crash

[wanton roost]

And Trinity's house did burn

[old spoke]

Yes i know, but the forest protectors are known for causing tragical "accidents".

[wanton roost]

Feel Looe the forest protectors just throwed bad luck

On dianes wife

[polar epoch]

Yes that is possible

No confirmation

[old spoke]

I mean Lucy Yi died in a rollercoaster "accident", but the forest protectors really killed her.

[old spoke]

It was a theory

[vagrant igloo]

people were dying on his rides much before the forest protectors interfered

[wanton roost]

I mean his brother did die from the forest protectors his friend died because of the forest protectors which I assume is ike ig

Soooo

It could mean that the tragic death had something to do with them

[old spoke]

Well we saw the crowfaces messing with the amusement park rides in AS.

[polar epoch]

Brother is Guest possibly

[wanton roost]

Literally who ELSE can he be

If he comes out of that pit

[vagrant igloo]

I really really hate that theory and I hope that it's not true

[old spoke]

Me too

[vagrant igloo]

but knowing Alex
it will be

[wanton roost]

I like it heh.

[polar epoch]

If my theory is correct

Why would

Guest be against Theo

[vagrant igloo]

welll
the guest's origin won't be a flashback

[wanton roost]

well

There is

Another

Possibility

[polar epoch]

His mind got corrupted?

[wanton roost]

The guest is its own devil

Its like

I dunno

But

What I can say about this os

Is

He takes over bodies

[vagrant igloo]

this makes me hope even more that Franklin is not guest

[wanton roost]

Think about it

[polar epoch]

Guest is possibly the brother

[vagrant igloo]

I messed up the screenshot

frick

[wanton roost]

If Franklin died guest probably took over his body hopefully before he hit the ground

And in HN vr

[vagrant igloo]

wait no I didn't
nvm

[wanton roost]

In one of the door nightmares

Guest is trying to haunt theo in his sleep

Makes me think he wants to corrupt his body

[polar epoch]

But Browny The guest doesn’t have powers

[wanton roost]

Maybe because Franklin's body is weak and the guest is growing

[old spoke]

I don't know what they meant when they showed us the black disfigured shadow thing coming from the purple beam in the mayak weather station. When Franklin died.

[polar epoch]

He is human

[vagrant igloo]

I hope against hope this means guest is not Franklin

[vagrant igloo]

hn3 guest:

[polar epoch]

Just stop

[wanton roost]

Yeah but

I mean it's kindaaaa

Kinda makes sense

[polar epoch]

I know what you mean

[old spoke]

Ain't Guest like a urban-legend folklore kind of thing. And if the Forest Protectors would have existed back in the 1800's then Guest would have, which means that Franklin ain't him.

[polar epoch]

I think he does have but strangely Alex said he doesn’t

[wanton roost]

It's a possibility so I'm obv wrong maybe or right if that episode tells us anything

About what we said

[wanton roost]

Hm

that destroys my theory then

[polar epoch]

I find that very hard to believe

But if it’s true

Then we have to accept it

[vagrant igloo]

what message says this

[polar epoch]

I am not searching it

[vagrant igloo]

is it the one saying nothing is supernatural in ravenbrooks

[polar epoch]

He is not supernatural

That’s what the message is

[old spoke]

So he can still almost outrun everyone and jump very high?

[wanton roost]

I don't know what supernatural is

I'm confused about that

[polar epoch]

Who have powers and all

[wanton roost]

Ahh

[polar epoch]

Like ghosts are supernatural

I think

[old spoke]

They are

[polar epoch]

It is

[polar epoch]

Anyone can run really fast

With exercise

[vagrant igloo]

didn't the comics show him literally possess someone

[old spoke]

Are you saying that this creature is a human?

[brisk hearth]

I think thats how the townsfolk view him

[polar epoch]

It’s just a carved drawing that someone did

So it’s not accurate

[brisk hearth]

multiple times

[polar epoch]

To the actual version we all know

[wanton roost]

Thanks

[old spoke]

Well the Guest shapeshifted in Raven Brooks disaster

Also the time loops in Raven Brooks?

So are you telling me that there can be literal timeloops, but not an entity dressed like a raven?

[vagrant igloo]

hnvr too

[old spoke]

Yeah

[vagrant igloo]

not to mention he can detect movement

[old spoke]

And what about the noises it makes in Hello Neighbor 2 while chasing?

What human can make those kind of sounds with his bare mouth

[wanton roost]

well

He is a crow so

[old spoke]

Yeah, but that one dude tried to say that he ain't supernatural

[polar epoch]

Nikita or Alex said he not supernatural

Not necessarily he would make the noises

The crow head could have a audio box

[old spoke]

Doesn't sound like one

[polar epoch]

That could make the Kraa Kraa

[old spoke]

Also when did they say that he ain't supernatural

[polar epoch]

I don’t have the image

[wanton roost]

Just accept they aren't supernatural

[polar epoch]

But they said it

[wanton roost]

I'll find it

[old spoke]

You literally said that the Guest is a "crow" not a human?

[wanton roost]

I said that he's taking over a human

[polar epoch]

Everyone just accept the fact that he is human and has no supernatural abilities

[old spoke]

So are we totally gonna ignore that he shapeshifted in the vr game and in one of the books?

[vagrant igloo]

the salute emoji makes it seem sarcastic

so

who knows

[old spoke]

What's the point of wasting the urban-legend Guest? There's forest protectors they are normal people dressed like crows. So why would they waste the Guest to that thing? I mean there's already supernatural stuff in the universe?

[wanton roost]

how is that sarcastic?