lore-discussion

[languid sonnet]

I kinda just thought that Guest statue in Prototype 1 was just a placeholder

[ancient nymph]

The forest dweller is supposed to function like him

[lone grotto]

What are you guys discussing

[barren wolf]

Chat, what games are canon?

The lore and timeline is like, so inconsistent

Here's in (my opinion) seems to be the most logical lore and timeline

[eager island]

everything

is

canon

[barren wolf]

First game of course being hello neighbor hide and seek, it's where everything starts going down hill

[barren wolf]

Well that #### sucks

[barren wolf]

Then hello neighbor diaries, hello neighbor 1, and then 2

[eager island]

for me the timeline is like

H&S - Act 1 - SN - HN2 DLCS - HNVR - Act 2 - HN2 - HE - Act 3 - HND - HN3

[barren wolf]

Pretty good and logical

One thing that pisses me off is, if we are talking about the timeline tinybuild gave us, hn h&s then hn and then hn 2, then that would mean Peterson would be pushing 80 something, and yet Aaron hasn't aged at all since hide and seek

[eager island]

hn2 is a midquel/interquel

not sequel

[barren wolf]

Oooh, makes sense

[glacial whale]

So where do you fit the AS into that? I would ask books too but I think people already have an idea with that.

[eager island]

idc about AS at all tbh

well i know its canon

[vagrant igloo]

I refuse to accept that

[glacial whale]

The main things I dislike about the AS number one being story changes just because the books apparently didn’t work or something along those lines. Second thing being they have modern day cellphones in what’s set in the time they didn’t exist yet and finally the use of words like cringe and mostly sus which the last thing isn’t that big of a deal but just a small irritation I have with trying to relate to the current cool words at the time. Though if everything is canon I really want to know how it even fits in with other stuff.

If there are grammar mistakes in that I’m not changing it

[vagrant igloo]

actually

alex said that

the AS takes place in early 2000s

so

[glacial whale]

Well I just got used to what the books and I guess games set up

[languid sonnet]

even the alphas..?

[calm sentinel]

No, only the fully released games, books and the animated series are canon.

[lone grotto]

I'm going to eat

[unkempt sleet]

i mean while i agree that they shouldnt have changed some things like cell phones

The books didn't work with AS, that's apparent with the pilot

At least Carly's writing didn't, because she did write the pilot iirc

[barren wolf]

What does AS mean? Never heard of that 😛

Stupid discord emojis

[eager island]

animated series

[barren wolf]

Oh ok

[lone grotto]

What are you guys discussing

[unkempt sleet]

lore

[gusty flint]

I think their are 3 dif timelines: Games, Books, Animated series, I believe Bosco bay and mabey reset day are cannon to the games

[sick bone]

Everything is canon

[gusty flint]

agree 2 disagree

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[ripe berry]

sorry mate Nikita said everything is canon and that there's no Multiverse involved

[calm sentinel]

He also said this when talking about what’s canon

[fickle garden]

Everything is

[hexed atlas]

Lore

[fickle garden]

Why do people keep assuming Quentin is dead?

[lilac sable]

I guess because of the end of HN2.

Doesn’t look like he is dead at all tho. He just gets knocked out.

[fickle garden]

Also while layout v2 isn't canon it does imply that Quentin was at least originally going to live afterwards. (If layout v2 is supposed to be after the ending I don't really know)

[devout brook]

I have the answer hello engineer is the only canon game

[vagrant igloo]

if any game was canon it wouldn't be HE

[devout brook]

that was a joke

[vagrant igloo]

good

[devout brook]

devgamm is only canon build obviously

[vagrant igloo]

obv

even tho it wasn't a build

[lone grotto]

I want to know

[faint storm]

Yes the animation from 2014 is a build peak logic

[chrome wedge]

I think the theory that the guest is Franklin is probably true, due to a couple things, one being that Alex confirmed they changed the guest's lore and will use the show to unite all the games and the show into one story. So Franklin being added and the guest having a new story makes me think that, also since as far as I understand, ravens follow Peterson a lot, and with the golden apple in his beak vs Peterson's coins, etc etc.

However, there's a problem I have with it: Franklin loved Theo. They were thick as thieves and we see that Franklin was protective of him (even before it became a bad case of physical bullying.)

So, even though ghosts can come back vengeful and twisted and wrong, I can't really see him torturing Theodore. Coming back wrong does not mean coming back as a completely different person.

Also, Theodore doesn't seem fond of the Guest either. Not to mention that why would he not have killed or at least stopped the bullies? Especially since his own followers (who seem to be the bullies as well) also are against Theodore.

So like, the theory makes sense but I can't wave off him becoming malicious against his brother. But what do y'all think?

[wicked heath]

The guest lore changes all the time.

That doesnt mean the Taxidermist is suddenly the guest because he was added later on in development, you know?

[eager island]

i mean aint its obvious that the guest is either franklin or franklin-related

[wicked heath]

Not really…?

[chrome wedge]

Ig my question would be if he's not the guest is, who is he? He has to be important, probably.

[wicked heath]

Like, he died in Mayak, so…..?

[wicked heath]

No one at tinybuild said the guest was anyone

He could just be the almighty Guest

[chrome wedge]

No but I mean who is Franklin. As a character

[wicked heath]

He’s Theo’s brother and his first lost family

The death of his brother sparked his thirst for vengeance against the FPs

[chrome wedge]

But the shadow figure and the magic thingy heavily implies he was revived somehow

[wicked heath]

Well clearly if he was alive, no reason for Peterson to go « RAWHHHHHH!! » in jail

[eager island]

i also dont like the idea of the guest being franklin but its probably like this 🙏🏻

[chrome wedge]

He was pissed he was in jail

[wicked heath]

If anything, Franklin didnt die from the fall, but from the purple beam

[chrome wedge]

I didn't think he was alive alive just. Supernatural, still shambling around

[wicked heath]

Well like you said: it doesnt make sense for him to be the guest, because they’re rivals

[chrome wedge]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it confirmed that there's only 5 episodes left? So Franklin's story must've been wrapped up really quickly

As well as the Guest

[wicked heath]

Season 2 is done

[chrome wedge]

Yeah for season 3

Iirc it was said season 3 was the last

The 2 proposed theories are that Franklin is the shadow man or the guest. The shadow man is the manifestation of fear and trauma so that's out of the picture. But they wouldn't hate each other either. They may be like, on shaky terms bc of the guest being really malicious to others but idk. And Franklin has to be some sort of supernatural creature

Very likely one we see a lot in season 2 because he was introduced at the beginning

That's what's confusing me. Ig there's a possibility the two want each other dead but that feels like bad story writing and also would be. :(((((

[glacial whale]

I have never heard “thick as thieves” in my entire life

But I agree I can’t think of why they would hate each other

[chrome wedge]

Is that not a common saying?

[fickle garden]

It's regional.

[chrome wedge]

It means a having close bond, being inseparable, trusting in each other in ways you won't others, etc

[chrome wedge]

Ah kk

[chrome wedge]

Oh right I should've probably @ you for the explanation

[fickle garden]

Perhaps Franklin's memories were wiped or damaged somehow and when he escaped he believed it was Theo who pushed him in, and the bullies helped perpetrate this lie? 🤔

[chrome wedge]

:( augh. No matter what happened I need those two to be close again. Even if they're both messed up now.

I'm such a sap for siblings 😔 they're both awful people but they can be awful together

[fickle garden]

My only issue is that the "guest isn't supernatural" apparently.

Although the coins themselves do appear to be supernatural in origin, so perhaps Franklin isn't supernatural himself but something down there is a tool that allows him to be supernatural.

[chrome wedge]

Oh okay

He'd have to be supernatural tho

Like he fell down and purple electric consumed him, that man is not alive naturally

[fickle garden]

Well it's a supernatural process so it's not that he is supernatural it's just that something supernatural revived/saved him.

[chrome wedge]

Wait how could the guest not be supernatural

Ignoring Franklin

[fickle garden]

Okay so the Hello Neighbor canon is fragmented and very broken.

[chrome wedge]

Ravens don't just help kill people and act like how we see

Yeah I'm gonna be real I got sucked in by the brothers 😔 they seem like such a good dynamic so now I'm getting into the fandom. I know stuff about the franchise but haven't played it yet and only starting to fully watch the series

:')

But I've seen a lot of clips and I know a decent chunk of lore

[fickle garden]

I'm sorry the CEO of TinyBuild said it, it's a full on confirmation.

[chrome wedge]

Yeah that just confuses me

The ravens

[fickle garden]

Perhaps the guest is just a title and is looked over by a separate supernatural entity.

[chrome wedge]

Maybe

Tbh the show is really good from what I've seen so as long as I get more Petersons together I'm happy. Since the show is giving plentiful for the other characters and Theo alone

Still, i should learn more

[dim beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-game-theory-wrong-gif-2412339571630429073

[chrome wedge]

Yeah I agree

Wait

There was a message

[shell gull]

Misclicked was gonna edit it.

[chrome wedge]

In my notifs

Oh ok

[shell gull]

Accidentally deleted it.

[meager swift]

New kid in the hn franchise , the theorys :

[chrome wedge]

Anyway I don't believe the thing is Franklin but that is one of the two theories I've seen floating around

[meager swift]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-heavy-tf2-depresion-team-fortress-2-gif-12991682296168812137

[shell gull]

Did you mean the shadow figure from the pit in Ted’s flashback or the shadow figure haunting Nicky?

[chrome wedge]

I was just saying that one i disagree with so the guest at least i thought was the most likely

No ppl have said it's the shadow tormenting Nicky. If the guest isn't supernatural I have no clue what's up with Franklin

[shell gull]

He’s Isaac, identical to Isaac and is called Isaac in the metadata.

[torn flame]

hello neighbour

[chrome wedge]

Say did we ever get his name bc everyone calls the brother Franklin

[meager swift]

Ik is Isaac is just a jk

[chrome wedge]

But I've watched the flashback multiple times, I don't think he gets a name

[shell gull]

So far Franklins point in the story is hard to understand as we aren’t aware of what kinda thing is going on in the Mayak pit.

[torn flame]

hello
neigjhbourr r\aerse

i think hello neighbour is my dad because i hear screaming from his basement

thatrs my theroy

helo neighb0our is NOT real stupid

but he is my dad

photo for proof

if hello neighbour was my dad id go

WHAT UR HELLO NEIGBOIUR JHWO COUKD U

and then hed go "find my keys" 👻

im secretly the neighbiur

hello

neighboiur

[glacial whale]

What is even being said

[short shard]

insane convo

[fickle garden]

We still haven't figured out what the guest is.

Who are they?!

[spark herald]

Well think about it
The thing is the spirit
the father is theador
and the son is the guest

[lone grotto]

hi

[inland prawn]

hi you can help me

[wicked heath]

?

[chrome wedge]

You know, I'm wondering what exactly happened to Nicky in AS. Because I don't think it was just isolation or Peterson torturing him as revenge or to break his spirit. Because one of the first things Nicky mumbles when we see him again is fearfully promising to be a friend of someone. But he considers Peterson to have done it in the breakdown.

Even if Theo tortured him for him to be friends with Aaron why wouldn't Nicky say he'd be friends with Aaron? He specifies friends with you.

Besides, I don't think Aaron would torture him like that.

I'm probably overthinking this just. It feels like odd dialogue for him

[fickle garden]

Neighbor is just smart and knows the best way to make friends is to torture them in your basement.

[wicked heath]

The thing

[chrome wedge]

The thing is the embodiment of his trauma, and he doesnt seem to recognize it later in the season.

[tame quartz]

Plot reasons but hes definitely talkin about Aaron it correlates with the books

[chrome wedge]

Yeah just, did Aaron ever torture him? I'm pretty sure it's Aaron. But still odd to me

[lone grotto]

hi

[chrome wedge]

Hi

[charred pendant]

What Mr Peterson house is the actual canon one? I don't get why it changes so often

[eager island]

that changes due to gameplay or story elements

and there is no "canonical" look of it

[ripe berry]

I think it was Peterson torturing him a bit, also telling Nicky about everything that happened to him (Nicky's implied to know about Franklin in Season 2 Ep. 1), but he was also friends with Aaron down there

[chrome wedge]

Yeah that makes sense. Forgot about how he was implied to have vented to Nicky 😭 that's really funny

[spark herald]

I have a theory that im moving out of #prototype-3-chat BC people can't stay on topic

anyways

My theory is that Hello Neighbour 3 Takes place Years into the future, JUST before Nicky moves back into his old home

You are stranded at a Bus station at raven brooks because it's a drop off point before another bus comes, Which is extremely late (the bus in prototype 2 Comes no matter what, a minute before the storm hits). So you have to find someone who is able to contact a bus driver for an emergency evacuation. However the Vandalism here is rampant, and The cult recides deep in the homes of the forest. This area seems to be the back part of raven brooks, A more decrepit and darker place, Looming just under the amusement park theo built

The neighbour Still lives here, But deep in the woods, Old and frail, Pondering his past mistakes in isolation

However the Cult lives strong, and vandals and children keep going missing (Like a Night In The Woods situation)

Hello guest is the most reminiscent of these areas
And it's confirmed the guest will be a forest dweller

So the cult keeps going in
and the festival goes on despite having Little to no people left to support it

people give up hope and destroy things
stray too far off and you get sacrificed, do something to Alert the crows?
sacrifice
you can save alot of lives, including the neighbour's

part2

The neighbour's original house will get destroyed by the storm

After years of abandonment the building is desolate and I'm decay
as the storm moves deep into raven brooks, it causes extreme storms and destruction
at the Finale scene of act 3 of Hello neighbour 1, Theadore's house is burned down. However the neighbour wouldn't burn the house down. He loved the house, but was forced out of it
Desolate and alone in the forest, We can only hope he gets some help via relationships
But as the storm rolls in, the house catches fire after a lightning strike
the harsh winds making the flames harsher and more destructive, Leaving it and everything else in it to burn to a crisp.

After the storm, a little while later, Nicky moves back home
Traversing what remains

[eager island]

the neighbors burned in the hn2 storm

[spark herald]

Hello neighbor 2 takes place before the events of Act 3 of HN1

[eager island]

yep, no one said otherwise

[spark herald]

But we don't necessarily see the house burn down in HN2
it most likely will in hn3

HN3 takes place a few years after HN2 but before act 3 of HN1

[eager island]

nah thats more like end of the timeline is hn3

[spark herald]

That's the shed??

The neighbour's house doesn't look like that

[eager island]

it does

[glacial whale]

Maybe the first one looks odd because the wallpaper burned and it’s the wood underneath

[wicked heath]

Looking at those make me sad and angry

[lone grotto]

hi

[ripe berry]

2nd and 3rd photos are the 2nd floor of the Neighbor's House

[chrome maple]

whats the first one?

[ripe berry]

probably the same

[shut knoll]

hello, im sorry for being dumb and lazy so i haven’t done my own research, but a question has come to my mind. I’m genuinely confused on what HN3 has to do with the past games. Like why are we at a new location, who are these people, and how do they contribute to the lore. Again, im incredibly dumb and haven’t done research. I know not much has been released about HN3 except for a very early version and some character designs. I just don’t understand why they are drifting away from the evil guy (neighbor) and some crow and I know there’s more but I’m just naming some main plots.

[eager island]

god forbid team for trying something new

[vagrant igloo]

the neighbor will still be very important 💔

guest too

[unkempt sleet]

we arent at a new location

HN3 still takes place in Raven Brooks

The people are just random people that lives in Raven Brooks

And they arent drifting away from the Neighbor and the Guest as they will be in HN3 aswell

[shut knoll]

Ah okay, it’s just raven brooks changes a lot so I get confused

[vagrant igloo]

it's also a different part of raven brooks

[ripe berry]

yeah
Raven Brooks is a lot larger then any of the individual games show

and the map does change quite a bit

however I'd say outside of the small section we explore in HN2
the map layout from HN1 is still 60% accurate.

[manic dirge]

LMFAOOO

[fluid field]

wheatly from portal 2

[chrome wedge]

Yeah :)

[fluid field]

also guys pls dont count this for spam but i just came up with some awesome lore + wheatly hows space

but im not spamming

its lore theory

[fluid field]

i agree

@waxen sigil i wasnt spamming i had a lore theory

[fickle garden]

@waxen sigil hates theories...

Try giving it a few seconds between messages.

[fluid field]

my theory

what do ya'll think?

[hazy slate]

https://tenor.com/view/we-happy-few-gif-23536623

[ripe flame]

heres my lore about diana Peterson (might sound stupid)
mr petersons wife was not accidental,it was actually planned by the crowface cult.which in hello neighbor raven brooks s2 mr Peterson said: They destroyed my family

[ripe flame]

dw

[ripe berry]

fun fact! the Beatrix Newspaper mentions Beatrix has a Brother who's name starts with Q, with the only logical person for who this is being Quentin.

[ripe berry]

while the theory mentioned here over 2 years ago is likely never going to release...
like a Phoenix, a new crackpot theory is rising from the ashes of the old one to replace it.
What is this new one? well... you'll have to wait and see
||(see if we ever release it that is)||

[sick bone]

Wdym

[eager island]

otto is NOT that important in story dude

[wicked heath]

This isnt actually in the game is it?

These guys pull buzzsaws

[hazy slate]

Nope, the doctors never actually inject joy from what I recall.

[wicked heath]

So many trailers and promotional stuff that didnt end up in the game…

[shut hill]

https://tenor.com/view/pakpakthree-gif-16135556887884443801

[ripe flame]

i think u forgot to stop arse licking again

[eager island]

heres my lore about diana Peterson

she died in car crash which that one hello neighbor dream and hello neighbor hide and seek proves

(might be stupid)

[ripe flame]

ik but,do you really think it was an accident?

[shut hill]

but i love arse licking

[ripe flame]

ah,gay.

[obtuse wedge]

[fickle garden]

Nah, I caused it.

[ripe flame]

u murderer😭

[tawny berry]

I think mr.peterson knew that crowface was going to go after Trinity and her friends. That's probably why Mr.peterson said "you used up all your luck"

[wicked heath]

Can I bring this up again?

[ripe berry]

yes.

this is the first time since HN1 Alpha 3 I think that name for the Supermarket has been used

[dusty trench]

yup

[quaint mulch]

is the hello neighbor show canon to the story?

[quaint mulch]

if so what happened to nicky's goggles and such

[vagrant igloo]

yea

[quaint mulch]

how come nicky has different clothes than the game

[vagrant igloo]

just a design choice for the show

[quaint mulch]

ohh ok

[vagrant igloo]

and honestly they look the same

[eager island]

the funniest complaint about wtrb

[quaint mulch]

its just curiosity

[eager island]

theres so many different things wrong with the story and this is what you chose as an example

[quaint mulch]

i like the show

i dont have any complaints really and if i did i'd keep it to myself

[ripe berry]

Pahhy Riobisdeyd oot ouy! (Happy Birthday to you!)

[eager island]

ty

[wicked heath]

You guys have both the same bday??

[hybrid solar]

I think mart is an industry plant

[vagrant igloo]

mart...?

[fickle garden]

Dead naming Theo now...

[thorn kraken]

[hybrid solar]

FAKE FAN

[vagrant igloo]

mart ain't his name bro 😭

[hybrid solar]

Yes it is

Mart

[vagrant igloo]

his name is Theodore Masters Peterson
not mart

[hybrid solar]

THESE SUPER FANS

his name is MART

Mart is short for wallmart

Because he was stuck in a wall

[hybrid solar]

Fake

[vagrant igloo]

i really hope you are kidding

fgteev obsessed

[hybrid solar]

Are we deadass?

Mart is his name dude

[hybrid solar]

How dare you

Just admit ur a fake fan and move on

You will never love hello neighbour like i love hello neighbour

[vagrant igloo]

I only speak the truth

mwahaha

[hybrid solar]

Then say it

Say his name is mart

[vagrant igloo]

Mr. peterson

[hybrid solar]

Its mart dude

Everyone agrees its MART

[vagrant igloo]

suuurrree

[hybrid solar]

Are you a hello neighbour fan

[vagrant igloo]

Yes

[hybrid solar]

A hello neighbour intellectual

[hybrid solar]

Then you should know his name is Mart.

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-like-subscribe-bell-hello-neighbour-hello-neighbor-2-hello-neighbour-2-gif-2484330488843852459

[fickle garden]

Imagine bullying this poor man and calling him these mean names because he was stuck in a wall.

[lone grotto]

👀

[shell gull]

I gotta admit Mart slaps as a fire nickname…(His name is still Theodore Masters Peterson).

[shell gull]

Woah that’s a cool call back, wonder if it’s going to have any importance later on.

[hallow seal]

https://tenor.com/view/whirow-nvm-ur-content-sucks-arcade-assassin-funny-meme-gif-1223989353800674009

[fluid field]

how'd you do that im laughing rn

also btw how'd you guys rate my theory

[fluid field]

Also at #prototype-3-chat i mentioned this and people are doubting me

[gusty flint]

that is the continuity

[shell gull]

What I like about the contrast between HN1 and HN2s endings is how differently it ends for each MC, Quentin was striving in a goal that he couldn’t let go of (To help Aaron - Had freedom to do what he desired) while Nicky strives on a goal to let go (Let going his fears - It gave no sense of freedom). Though Quentin had a terrible end with him dying to the The Cult, Nicky ended up with a happy ending after controlling all that fear and trauma in him he found happiness, he could live a normal life again. Quentin lost everything because of his end goal, Nicky gained everything from his end goal.

[ripe berry]

also gonna point out how both goals stem from the MC's own personal trauma

[shell gull]

Exactly, Quentin lost his sister he couldn’t afford seeing another kid lost, I guess that’s part of the reason why he chose to investigate the missing cases, to find the kids, knowing he never found his own sister. Nicky’s is more obvious to be from his trauma and what happened to him as a kid.

Both stem from their childhood and something that happened to them that altered who they were.

I wish HN2 was more clear on Quentin’s trauma instead of hiding it.

[ripe berry]

to be fair that's bc HN2 was meant to have another whole act's worth of story at least

[shell gull]

True.

Each mainline HN game so far has some sort of mental and psychological side to it, I’m hoping to see something like that again in HN3 but more baseline and easy to understand.

[ripe berry]

but also yeah-
I do think most of what Quentin does in-game in the present is a result of his past.

(Now if only there was a way to tie his career as a Journalist to his past)

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[shell gull]

Him being Norman made it work so well, even if it’s not possible anymore.

[ripe berry]

him being Norman was never canon.

[shell gull]

Right wrong terminology.

Even tho

[ripe berry]

?

[shell gull]

Damn, it worked so well tho

[shell gull]

I was gonna say him being specifically an investigative journalist ties well with his past, probably pursued it to find his sister.

[ripe berry]

I mean... Quentin and Norman could still be tied somehow...
you don't have two near identical looking characters and have them not have some connection to each other

[ripe berry]

oh fair!

[shell gull]

True.

Still fuzzed up on everything being canon even if it’s a perspective thing.

[ripe berry]

especially since Nikita still helped with the books

[ripe berry]

this would quite literally mean pretty much every major action Quentin takes would be at least partially the result of Beatrix's disappearance

but who knows. they could've had a completely different plan in mind for HN2's Story ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obtuse wedge]

It is strange that both Ike and Norman are almost identical to Quentin in terms of appearance

[shell gull]

Yup, which I’m not angry at, it shows more of why he strived so much to save Aaron even getting nightmares haunting him showing his desperation.

[shell gull]

It is weird, I always found it a bit odd, Quentin seemed like he went from being planned to be Ike in HG to something else.

[ripe berry]

I feel like if HN2 wasn't canned what happened to Beatrix would be one of the big mysteries the game builds up to

[shell gull]

For sure.

[obtuse wedge]

Yes , I do think that Quentin in HG is Ike , what would make HG before Ike's death in 1995 , I am totally unsure of that tho

[shell gull]

The Guest got done so dirty in HN2, I just hope HN3 gives him his chance and being a main antagonist.

[ripe berry]

in-fact, narratively it'd makes sense to reveal the Cult (or the Guest itself) was behind Beatrix's disappearance to tie together the two big mysteries of the game

[shell gull]

See the thing about that is HG would’ve took place after act 2 so it wouldn’t entirely work.

[obtuse wedge]

Hmmh… ah , yes , that is true. So he would not be able Ike , since he died , but maybe Norman , because we have no informations about any death of him

[shell gull]

Yeah that would have been perfect I could see that as a reason why Quentin didn’t join The Guest when he would have tried to manipulate him.

[ripe berry]

at the time possibly
but now Quentin and Norman aren't the same character

[shell gull]

For sure maybe but again was never supposed to be Norman.

[ripe berry]

(IF Norman is based off of specifically HN2 Alpha 1 Quentin)

[obtuse wedge]

even if you cannot tell that those two guys are not the same or are not the same family

[ripe berry]

and like-wise Norman has a near identical description to Quentin's Journalist outfit

[shell gull]

Yeah it does seem really weird what Quentin’s character was supposed to be at the time.

[obtuse wedge]

I know that , it is simply so weird that three character that are meant to be different people , in particular with the fact that Norman and Ike knew each others

[shell gull]

See I always found that to be strange.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

Like some big identity crisis.

[ripe berry]

(however I WILL note that if Quentin was gonna be tied to one of these two in more recent lore Norman Darby would make more sense as Norman has a bigger role in the books)

[obtuse wedge]

now clones canonically exists in HN lol

[obtuse wedge]

Norman to Quentin be like

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-no-i-am-your-father-i-am-your-father-empire-strikes-back-gif-22159086

[shell gull]

Going back to this, if this is truly supposed to be how the lore ties as canon, that would mean for some reason Aaron from his perspective saw the Mayor as a white man while everyone else saw him as a black man.

[manic dirge]

lmao

[shell gull]

Idek why…like what does that mean

[ripe berry]

question: I've heard this trivia fact thrown around a bit but when was it said that Quentin's Last Name is story-relevant?

[shell gull]

I don’t even know what his last name is and haven’t heard that before.

Is that really something people talk about?

[ripe berry]

it was not commonly brought up

BUT

people did bring it up every now and then

[shell gull]

Hmm got no clue.

[obtuse wedge]

Quentin Darshowitz trust 100%,

[shell gull]

It’s 50/50 just gotta pick.

[ripe berry]

if I had to guess it was in one of the old QnA Streams

[shell gull]

I have no recollection whatsoever.

[obtuse wedge]

It would be so fricking funny and weird that Quentin canonically'd be a mix of Ike and Norman

[ripe berry]

welp
time to waste several hours of my life trying to find a hyper-specific thing that's only been brought up a few times

[shell gull]

Have to take one for the team.

[obtuse wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-liam-neeson-taken3-adventure-action-gif-4666091

[shell gull]

Idek how that would work.

[ripe berry]

(mainly because I don't wanna toss around potential misinformation whilst theorizing so it's better to find the og source)

[obtuse wedge]

I do not know either , but I just want to know WHY Ike, Norman and Quentin literally are the same without being the same

[shell gull]

Safe assumption is taking in that there’s at least a good majority of people in the world that are identical to you it happens that 3 of those people relative to each other lived in Raven Brooks.

[ripe berry]

Found it! (I dug through the servers to figure out which stream it was then I just went through the transcript until I found the words "quentin" and "last name/full name" close to each other)
https://youtu.be/6X3_w2vANW4?t=5255

[shell gull]

🔥

[crisp hornet]

Hei

[ripe berry]

you can take the full quote however you want

[versed yacht]

My crackpot theory is that Quentin was going to be a Peterson at some point

[ripe berry]

the funny thing is the books actually support you
doesn't Diane Peterson have a "Q. Peterson" in her phonebook?

[versed yacht]

Yeah

[sick bone]

Quentin not a Peterson

Why neighbor kill Quentin if its her son 🤔

[lone grotto]

👀

[wicked heath]

AH yes. Norman Darby. Forgot people remembered him

[vale topaz]

People hatch eggs in the HN universe

I just realized this explains everything like basements and crows

[ripe berry]

it coud be like a cousin or smth y'know
but yeah I don't think Quentin's related to Ted

[onyx ivy]

who is the strongest hello neighbor charcter?

also is the guest stronger then theodore

[lone grotto]

😋

[shell gull]

I mean physically strongest would probably be Ted, he’s shown the most capability out of any character in the franchise and taking down multiple cops without even getting tired is insane.

[shell gull]

The Guest isn’t stronger than him but he’s definitely way more agile and quick.

Could potentially be smarter than Ted in certain aspects, Ted’s Einstein level smart with constructing things and devices. The Guest is smart in the aspect of control and power usually manipulative.

[onyx ivy]

Damn

[onyx ivy]

didn’t the guest stomp him in a comic

he choked him underwater

[ripe berry]

rn we're in a state where we have no clue if that's a real thing that happened, metaphorical for something, or some perspective stuff

[marsh idol]

what makes you think that

the Guest has shown he's relatively equal to Ted's physical strength

maybe even above if the Guest did overpower him under water

he's also able to throw people pretty high into the air despite his arms looking like chopsticks

[onyx ivy]

yeah nvm

the guest was possessing him correct?

wait

[marsh idol]

the guest sucks at hand to hand combat

peterson could probably take him

[onyx ivy]

Wait in the hello guest 1.5 games are the feats done their actually the guest capabilities or nah

[ripe berry]

those were at some point things the Guest can do
however, I'd say unless there's an example of the Guest doing that in the final product it isn't a canon ability anymore

[ripe berry]

(basically we were told the Guest was "never supernatural" so we don't know if that's even the actual Guest or some representation of something in the graphic novels)

[onyx ivy]

damn

so he has NO feats

[ripe berry]

yet we haven't gotten any answers on the Guest from the Animated Series yet to use as the basis for figuring out what the heck that means

[onyx ivy]

😭

[ripe berry]

right now the HN Lore is just- a mess.
to where we don't even have a boundary line for what counts as the Guest Character and what doesn't

[onyx ivy]

i know bro

is there any confirmation atleast of the guest being comparable to ted

in strength

[ripe berry]

Reset Day VERY HEAVILY implies he's Theodore in a costume
but Hello Neighbor 2 makes that impossible

there's also whatever's going on with Graphic Novel 2

and Hello Neighbor VR

[ripe berry]

actually wait-
I know it's technically not used in-game, but that's just because HN2 Story Update got cancelled (most agree this is still a part of the canon though)

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM?si=_rHLcrvjU-Vqcad1

shows that the Guest is capable of holding Quentin up with one hand

(1:38)

there you go
that's a feat to base the Guest's strength off of

[marsh idol]

he's still very fast, so far despite his skinny body structure he's definitely somewhat near Peterson's strength

and it's pretty surely clear he is not a human despite being supernatural

[ripe berry]

or well, I'd label it as Quasi-canon
it's only canon until they make something else that fills it's place in the timeline

[ripe berry]

and yeah
he's fast

(I'd recommend just sticking to HN2 for Powerscaling because rn there's too much confusion regarding everything else with the Guest)

I would send something like another timeline but rn we don't got ANY new media to add to a timeline

[marsh idol]

wtrb season 3 for august!!!

[ripe berry]

so it's still (in my opinion)
GN1 -> Books 4-6 -> Book 1/HNHS/HNHS's Trailer/HNND (Memories) -> Book 2 -> AS Ep. 1-4/Book 3/HN1 Act 1 -> AS Ep. 5 -> HNVR/AS Ep. 6/Act 2 (Actual Events) -> HN2 DLCs -> AS Season 2-3 -> HN2 -> LayoutV2 -> HE -> GN2 -> HN2 Patch 9 Forest -> HE Sandbox -> SN (Potentially) -> HN1 Acts 2-Finale -> HNND -> HN Movie (Potentially) -> Book 7 -> HN3

[shell gull]

The reason he overpowered him is because they are obviously underwater and The Guest was right over him giving him an easy chance, he had him in a chokehold so Ted physically couldn’t do anything in that kidney situation.

[shell gull]

Like Michael said because it’s an alpha and not the final product of the Media it isn’t canon.

[onyx ivy]

damn

[shell gull]

Yeah The Guest is very confusing in the Lore taking in how he’s basically been given as a character there to different writers and people without a clear understanding of what his character is supposed to be, as of now it’s very unclear what The Guest exactly is or who he is.

[onyx ivy]

many think hes petersons brother

while many also think petersons brother is the thing

cuz

ye

[shell gull]

Different media points him to not being a human being something supernatural, but other things point him to being an actual person in a costume.

[shell gull]

Could potentially be the case in AS.

[ripe berry]

the Thing is something we DO know the lore of

the Thing is simply an entity used to represent fear and trauma

[onyx ivy]

if hes just a person in a costume it will just ruin it

[shell gull]

Yeah The Thing is the only supernatural type we have a clear perspective on.

[onyx ivy]

yeah and they said hes not real

[ripe berry]

(hence why it's only appearances have been in cases where things are in a person's head (HN1, SN, HND, AS))

[onyx ivy]

if the thing was real it would of made the lore so peak

gng

or more better

it alr is good

[ripe berry]

gn

[shell gull]

Problem is how different aspects of the series is, in the books and novels the writers tried to make it like he’s not human at all, while heads of things HN like Nikita flat out say that he isn’t supernatural going completely against things in the media.

[ripe berry]

and yet they also said everything is canon

[onyx ivy]

oh wow

[ripe berry]

so there's a weirdness going on where the Guest isn't supernatural
but these things where he's clearly supernatural are still canon (no multiverse btw)

[onyx ivy]

yeah that sucks

considering the fact how we see he has abilites in the comic raven brook disaster

its kinda annoying

[ripe berry]

they didn't tell us HOW everything is canon
just that everything is canon and it's not due to a multiverse

[ripe berry]

and this ain't the only time blatant contradictions exist between stories that have to be canon to each other
four words:
Welcome to Raven Brooks

[shell gull]

The only way for it to make sense for me is if it’s some super odd perspective thing, since we know everything in HN lore is from a different perspective which is why things are seen differently, from Nicky’s perspective he was looking for his friend Aaron, while from Trinitys perspective Nicky thought Ted murdered his kids.

[onyx ivy]

I wish he was actually real tho

[ripe berry]

it contradicts some of the books and games

[onyx ivy]

if he was real and same with the guest being supernatural it would fit with the theme of the mystery of raven brooks

and stuff

[onyx ivy]

literally

[ripe berry]

yeah
however that still causes problems simply due to how many stories we have

[shell gull]

Ahh I remember when we used to think that tied together just for it to fall apart.

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

HNVR and AS overlap but contradict

[onyx ivy]

I know.

[shell gull]

Wouldn’t make sense for multiple characters to see The Guest as a supernatural character and others think he isn’t.

[onyx ivy]

does the guest have any abilities within reset day

[shell gull]

Uhh from what it seemed like evolving.

[ripe berry]

HNVR and HN1 Act 2 overlap and work together
so does HN1 Act 2 and AS (if you stretch it a bit)
but HNVR and AS have blatant contradictions

[shell gull]

He changed his firm from his normal costume look to a full on forest protector in RD.

Like he literally became one.

[onyx ivy]

theres this which is a dream

[shell gull]

Not The Cult, the actual mysterious bird creatures that were mistaken for The Cult.

[ripe berry]

I may however add that all of the perspectives minus HN2 have thus far been from kids
and we know from things like Hello Engineer kids aren't the most reliable perspective

[shell gull]

Yeah true, same with SN when you realise the whole game is just them playing make believe.

[ripe berry]

(90% of Hello Engineer base game is imagination)

[ripe berry]

(specifically about the Guest I mean)

[onyx ivy]

the kids just see the guest as supernatural

in vr

or trinity

the guy had reality warping 😭

[ripe berry]

also noteworthy that even with the differences between AS and Books there's still some overlap

[shell gull]

Which honestly makes perfect sense, the terrifying urban legend of the crowman, if I was a kid I’d see it as some weird creature that isn’t human.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

in both cases, the Inventor's Club (which Nicky helped create the modern version of) abandon Nicky before he then gets kidnapped in the events of HN1 Act 1

[onyx ivy]

yeah

[ripe berry]

also should note we can use SN to guage what the kids think of the Guest

[shell gull]

The thing I want to know most from The Guest either way, is why is he called “The Guest” every character is called something because it relates to them, “The Neighbor” “The Baker” “The Mayor” “The Historian”.

[onyx ivy]

wait is the guest stronger then the forest protectors

[onyx ivy]

^^^^^

[shell gull]

Ehh not necessarily, he’s the leader and basically has control over them.

[onyx ivy]

NO AAY

WAY

BRO

[shell gull]

The Cult is different from Forest Protectors btw.

[onyx ivy]

😭

[onyx ivy]

Oh alr

[ripe berry]

Forest Protector is the rumor based off of the Cult

[shell gull]

Forest Protectors is an urban legend of giant crow people that turned out to actually be The Cult being mistaken by people noticing them.

[ripe berry]

the terms have been used interchangably, but it's best to try to keep them separate

[shell gull]

HN2 makes it out to be that The Guest is their leader, taking in things we’ve found in the lore and thing that never happened in the lore that was planned to connect to AS, it’s very likely that The Guest in some way has power over The Cult.

[shell gull]

Along with AS changing their outfits to literally being copy one to one of The Guest with exception of the robes.

[ripe berry]

which did actually trick people at first into thinking the Guest and these Cultists were the same

[onyx ivy]

what do you guys think about ts

[shell gull]

Mhm, but as Alex said we haven’t seen or know what The Guest is yet, which makes it out that The Guest hasn’t been in the AS yet, most likely will be revealed in Season 3 and would most likely be The Cult leader.

[onyx ivy]

Thats would be peak lwk

gng.

😭

[shell gull]

Taking in his design in HN2 is subtly different, The Cultist wear dark black robes while The Guest wears a brownish torn up cap.

[onyx ivy]

i lwk thought at first the forest protectors were the guest cuz of the deisn

design

in wtrb

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

we have seen the Guest in the AS "in a way"

but we have no clue what that means

[onyx ivy]

i think I know who it is

[obtuse wedge]

Ai

[onyx ivy]

yes

[shell gull]

Huh, that just makes it more confusing.

[ripe berry]

we have an #ai-space for AI use

[onyx ivy]

https://youtu.be/rdV0XTsuaOs?si=ubzveMPVZb-vWHsf

[onyx ivy]

@shell gull @ripe berry

[obtuse wedge]

Yep
Even if it was better if ai images simply were not allowed

[onyx ivy]

Oh mb

didnt know

[shell gull]

“The Guest” type voices could easily be Otto

[onyx ivy]

i highely doubt it

[shell gull]

Or Leslie

[onyx ivy]

To be honest @shell gull your right but I think we now know that the crowfaces are the forest protectors and also the guest

[shell gull]

Well as far as we are aware the Crowfaces are just The Cultists and are what the kids are calling them, nothing really on The Guest as they aren’t all The Guest, Alex said there is only one Guest.

[green walrus]

im new to the hello neighbor lore i was just wondering if the books ar canon to the games

[onyx ivy]

they are

[onyx ivy]

Im concerned, why do the cultists turn into their “crow form” very fast

is that a ability

an

[shell gull]

You mean their costumes?

[shell gull]

Everything is canon as long as it’s actual Lore media.

Some things don’t count.

[onyx ivy]

yeah

[shell gull]

They just change into them pretty quickly.

[onyx ivy]

that doesnt seem possible

in the time they do it in

seems like a ability

[shell gull]

Nah they just change their clothes fast, we don’t even get any sort of time or ever even see certain characters before they appear in costume.

[onyx ivy]

Oh alr

[onyx ivy]

Okay so @shell gull @ripe berry does the guest have any abilities

i know its not supernatural

but its stated otherwise

[onyx ivy]

i mean it’s shown they can shapeshift

[shell gull]

What?

When?

Anyways is it just me or does the roller coaster in the background of this P3 screenshot not look suspiciously like the rotten cores big drop?

Makes me wonder how many elements from the amusement park will still be present in HN3.

[onyx ivy]

its wrong I said that because maritza views them as beings who can turn into the crow thing

in her vision

[lone grotto]

😊

[unkempt sleet]

"we have no clue what that means"
erm actually, crow

[tall citrus]

who is norman darby

[ripe berry]

a character from the books

[frail plinth]

(old, likely scrapped lore)
whats with this house?
Pre-alpha: on fire, alone on hill in corner of the map
Alpha 1: alone on the side of the map
Alpha 2: alone on hill in corner of the map

alpha 3 and beyond it doesn't seem to be used as anything more than a regular house, like the other house models

[vale topaz]

Pre-alpha: it was probably just a test for outside places
Alpha 1: the outside doesn't even have grass, at most it would just be a call back or just a coincidence
Alpha 2: same as 1

Also early alphas like pre alpha and alpha 1 has a different lore to alpha 2

[lone grotto]

🥳

[compact crane]

At what act oh hello neighbour does hello neighbour 2 play cuz his house is still there and in act 3 there was no house

[vagrant igloo]

directly after act 2

[compact crane]

Oh and what happened after act 3 where is the neighbour

[vagrant igloo]

reset day

[compact crane]

Wht Wdym

[vagrant igloo]

the book

reset day

happens after hn3

[compact crane]

Where can u read it?

[vagrant igloo]

Google it

idk

library maybe

[compact crane]

Alr

[lone grotto]

👍

[charred pendant]

Is hn vr canon to the storyline?

[obtuse wedge]

Kind of , but not exaclty

[vagrant igloo]

yes

[charred pendant]

@vagrant igloo I was just wondering because it clashes into act 2

[charred pendant]

What is your favourite hello neighbor house?
Personally, mine is act 1

[chrome maple]

Hn2 petersons house

[sick bone]

Alpha 1

[lean spear]

alpha 1

it is basically the giant weird house done right

minus the train, you can literally name it "big and spooky house that isn't like a fever dream"

act 3 IS good but my eyes hurt looking at it

[willow depot]

Probably the mill if that counts

I kinda love the HN1 Pre-Alpha exterior for being the middle ground between "Evil messed up neighbor house!!!" vibes and fever dream dread

[fluid field]

Bruh why does all Hello neighbor lore revolve around act 2 of Hello neighbor

[eager island]

literally nothing revolve around it

[fluid field]

? @eager island

[eager island]

act 2 is perfect example for that but not act 3

[fluid field]

? @eager island

[eager island]

you literally said act 3

and then showing stuff that revolve around act 2

[fluid field]

Sorry mistype

[eager island]

np

but yeah most of hn lore revolve around act 2

[fluid field]

@eager island Wait so Aaron did at some point run away but the neighbor stopped him

@eager island Then what happened ot the fences?

[eager island]

there were never fences

[fluid field]

bro act 2 had fences taller than girrafes

[eager island]

its just how nicky remembers it

but in reality there was no fence

[fluid field]

Then he could've just walked out mission complete (We're talking act 2 map)

[eager island]

yep he already did that

but he remembers it differently because of his trauma

its a distorted memory

[fluid field]

OHhhh

@eager island i get it

I gtg nice having a conversation with you @eager island

[tired spindle]

Quick question. Lucy's yi death is very different in the show and the books right? We know in the tv show lore that she was struck by lighting, causing her to disapper but in the books lore she straight up died. - does this mean lucy might be alive but presumed dead?

[vagrant igloo]

where did the lightning strike come from

[tired spindle]

the tv show lore ;/

[vagrant igloo]

well she is definitely dead

[lean spear]

even though it is a cartoon, how on earth would you survive a lightning strike

[unkempt sleet]

Cultists

[shell gull]

The books and Show are all canon, it’s just that it was preserved differently or that in AS we see something that they didn’t know from the books perspectives.

[tired spindle]

okay!

[dusty trench]

@lean spear look at these vids

@lean spear and these too. Its abiut the weather control stuff. I believe it ties in since the no supernatural thing.

alr im offline now, bye

[vagrant igloo]

false

it came from the sky

[unkempt sleet]

Thats why its cultists

The incident was also caused by Cultists ritual in the books aswell

i guess they tried to make it more apparent in the show

[lean spear]

what i meant is that you CAN control the weather, but you cannot survive a heart attacked caused by getting zapped by a lighting stirke

[vagrant igloo]

there have been people to survive lightning strikes

and heart attacks aren't a 100% death chance

[vale topaz]

group of crow people dance on a circle to struck a small kid with lighting

[azure skiff]

plot armour

[lean spear]

i mean i adore the concept

[pale urchin]

You can still survive a lightning strike, you just have to be lucky to not die

[dusty trench]

K

[woven ether]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-like-subscribe-bell-hello-neighbour-hello-neighbor-2-hello-neighbour-2-gif-2484330488843852459

[shell gull]

And also the curse on the Petersons since Ted designed the park.

[lone grotto]

😊

[ripe berry]

or in this case the books show us something the AS doesn't

[charred pendant]

Does hn series take place in the 2020's or 1990's?

[eager island]

90s

[charred pendant]

What about the smartphones in AS

[eager island]

AS does its own thing

[vagrant igloo]

the AS takes place in the early 2000s

the rest of the series excluding hn3, act 3 and reset day take place in the 90s

[shell gull]

Doesn’t really work though, definitely a perspective thing since, events take place in the 90s that end up taking place in the 2000s in AS, so 100% a perspective thing between characters and interpretation.

[shell gull]

Yeah that for sure works, really can be both ways.

[vagrant igloo]

Alex specifically said the AS is early 2000s

[lyric zephyr]

Except that doesn’t make sense either because they have very modern 2020s dual camera smartphones

[charred pendant]

That's what I was thinking

[charred pendant]

Do you have any proof like a screenshot?

Whoah gmg

Gng

[vagrant igloo]

I don't but I'm sure someone else has
I've seen the message

[shell gull]

He said they moved up the date a bit, it’s a perspective thing no other way it could work with everything else being canon alongside it.

[vagrant igloo]

sureee

I refuse to believe that everything was also moved up

[shell gull]

I mean then most of everything wouldn’t be taking place in the same time period between the canon and would contradict itself, definitely Trinity’s perspective.

[charred pendant]

Who do you guys think the forest protecter who peterson "killed" in AS is?

[chrome maple]

no one important

[lone grotto]

👀

[lone grotto]

😊

[sick bone]

Bro what you try

[silver vine]

this chat has become so dead

we literally have 0 lore atm

wth is there to discuss

[chrome maple]

AS messing everything up

[radiant cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[lone grotto]

Good morning friends

[vale topaz]

Lisa Peterson does still exist right?

[vagrant igloo]

i would think so

[lone grotto]

😊

[tired spindle]

yeah but she was only ever mentioned in the book lore book 2 - walking nightmare for nicky and martiza to call her to see if Aaron and mya were there. Other then that. she's never brought up again

[stiff spire]

I could imagine her looking like the neighbor like a twin sister

idk though

[lone grotto]

😊

[tired spindle]

hmm

[coral talon]

Mya Peterson might be that one shadow monster in act three. Maybe the crow guy or whatever he's called might be a puppet possessed by Mya due to it's strong connection to Mya's past. This is evident by the protection of Mya's doll. This theory is very far fetched, but maybe the reason the shadow thing made Nicky hallucinate is because of Nicky's relation to Aaron, the one who killed her.

Very far fetched btw

[ripe berry]

nice attempt to explain it... but no, the Thing (yes the Shadow guy is called the Thing) is simply the game's way to represent trauma/fear
(Granted the game probably could've done better at indicating that)

[coral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-fantastic-four-first-steps-f4-richie-the-bear-here's-the-thing-gif-10866717939802756885

[coral talon]

So the crow thingy could be Mya?

Or no?

[ripe berry]

maybe. we dunno what the Crow/Guest is right now

[coral talon]

Well im sticking to that theory

[ripe berry]

(Cite Notation: #lore-discussion message)

[coral talon]

Ok

This is in the roblox remake chat

Is it in the real game i cant afford act 2

Or 3

Oh wait nvm

[vale topaz]

i remember seeing some theories when the game released that this was nicky's family

it was kinda funny

[coral talon]

Hes literally chase 😭

[sick bone]

Fake

[coral talon]

Its a theory

[sick bone]

Bro

Why yo do teori

When it confirmed as some else

[coral talon]

what

[sick bone]

Why do teori it confirm shadow is fear

[coral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-patrick-star-derp-duh-gif-21500047

[sick bone]

İs it you

[coral talon]

What is bro saying

[sick bone]

İs the sponge bob friend guy is you

[coral talon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-empty-head-moron-spongebob-gif-11976325420190756370

[sick bone]

Yes it is

[coral talon]

Um no

I dont know what youre saying bro 😭

[sick bone]

Bro shadow man is fear

[coral talon]

School is just around the corner remember

[sick bone]

But you say it is mia

[coral talon]

Dude come back after you finish year 1 or 1st grade or whatever

Learn some grammar

Also I already know

I've been told

Its just a theory

[coral talon]

Its confirmed the thing is an embodiment of fear and i was told about that, so you can stop talking to me about it

Cuz you make 0 sense dude

[sick bone]

Bro you reject developer

[coral talon]

Spongebob friend guy is you

[sick bone]

He say the shadow is fear

[coral talon]

Literally how dude

[sick bone]

But you say mia

[coral talon]

Can you even read

I said I know

[sick bone]

Then what is this

[coral talon]

What is what

[sick bone]

You say Cuz you make 0 sense dude

[coral talon]

Cuz you do

Learn some grammar

[sick bone]

Bro i say true things so

[coral talon]

Bro the situation is already sorted

Also I said you make 0 sense because you said things that made no sense

Tons of spelling mistakes and grammar errors

Not because I thought you weren't telling the truth

So shush

Also mods i dont think @sick bone is the appropriate age to be on discord

[sick bone]

İm 14

[coral talon]

You replied quick

To cover up your case

[sick bone]

🙏🏿

[coral talon]

If you actually are 14 then I think you should be held back

[fickle garden]

Guys let the mods sleep they are tired!

[coral talon]

All the way back to kindergarten

[eager island]

its literally ESL problems dude

its not because him being underage

[coral talon]

But hes also starting problems for no reason

And trying to prove me wrong on a topic that I've already been proved wrong about

My theory was wrong and I know it cuz someone told me politely

And it was already sorted

[fickle garden]

Why don't you just... Stop talking in the channel and let it disappear?

[coral talon]

Tell him that

[sick bone]

Bro dont not food

Flood

Dont flood channel

[fickle garden]

Remember you are an immortal god online if you control your emotions.

[sick bone]

What you say now @fickle garden

[fickle garden]

Wait what was this channel for again?

[sick bone]

İ want be lore masters

But i dont not know much lore

How to learn

[fickle garden]

Guys where does the Neighbor get his Chinese food from?

[eager island]

since when raven brooks has chinese restaurant

[fickle garden]

It says 从坑 which means "From the pit" according to Google translate.

He gets it from the pits of hell omg!

Now what food is it?

Chow mein? Lo mein?

Lo mein has a lot of sauce but chow mein is drier...

[sick bone]

Why he eat this

[fickle garden]

It's probably magic it did come "from the pit".

[sick bone]

Bro he do spor and he eat fast food

[fickle garden]

Wait a minute...

I figured it out, Franklin turned into a bunch of chinese food after falling in the pit!

The show is solved.

[coral talon]

Search up hello neighbour all cutscenes in lore order

[sick bone]

Bro

But lore book

And animation

[coral talon]

Lore book?

[sick bone]

There 9 book

[coral talon]

THERES BOOKS

[glacial whale]

7 books and 2 novels

We’re not including the neighbors notebook though just ignore that one

[coral talon]

I need someone to summarise them

Chatgot

Gpt*

[glacial whale]

I read through them once so I forgot

The first three is from Nicky’s point of view then the other three are of Aaron’s then theres just one set in the future they never finished that story. First novel is not even in raven brooks and the second one I think was supposed to be what hn2 was but we all know how that went

I just don’t feel like giving an overview of it all because I would miss stuff and I don’t have the time

[eager island]

96

1996

its like right after act 2

[warm knot]

How many books have been published in the neighborhood?

[wicked heath]

I can do that for you

Read them a bunch of times when HN was my hyperfuxation

[lone grotto]

😊

[sick bone]

[hollow quiver]

how do yall go so deep down on the lore

when i play hello neighbor all i can get out of it is a 50 yo guy kidnapping kids and building 90 story houses

[coral talon]

Back

[marsh idol]

sadly most of it is in the books

but you can get the general idea through the Hide and Seek game and the Hello Neighbor series on youtube

this “50 year old” guy doesnt kidnap kids with pleasure. in fact hes forced to kidnap kids if they continue breaking into his house

and he hasn’t even “kidnapped” that much kids, in fact less than 3

[eager island]

yeah he totally doesnt kidnap kids

[marsh idol]

takes his son in forcefully to keep him safe
takes in Nicky for repeatedly breaking into his house

it’s not like he enjoys it

[eager island]

nicky

[marsh idol]

nicky

yea

[eager island]

rescue squad

[marsh idol]

mb

[marsh idol]

same reasoning as Nicky

in fact the ones who take pleasure in kidnapping are the Forest Protectors

[eager island]

yeah luring a child into the house and locking him in the basement because he wants a "friend" for his son in the basement is definitely not kidnapping

[marsh idol]

when was this one again

plus his son is bound to be alone for his entire life in there

and there’s nothing else Ted can do

oh was it Nicky

because for Nicky he enforced that onto himself

numerous times

[eager island]

kidnapping is kidnapping

[glacial whale]

Yea but I don’t think Nicky was ok with being held in there so

[marsh idol]

yea i fixed my point

[marsh idol]

i’m pretty sure

if you try to break into someone’s house

numerous times

he’s going to get pissed eventually

[eager island]

dude

he's the one who called Nicky to house lol

[marsh idol]

after Nicky became suspicious and continuously searched in his house?

at that point obviously if he gets too close to finding out about Aaron he has to go

[eager island]

nope

in buried secrets hes basically manipulating nicky

he pratically calls him to the basement

[marsh idol]

and is this his first time meeting Nicky?

[eager island]

yeah dude a kid is breaking into my house because i locked my son to my houses basement now i have to kidnap him ok?

[marsh idol]

is act 1 of hello neighbor not the first time Nicky meets Ted

a little kid kicking their ball, hears screaming inside someone’s basement and decides to investigate

and too

if someone

was getting close to finding out your son is trapped in their basement

you have no idea who they are

possibly related to the forest protectors who actively tried to kill your family

i’m SURE you wouldn’t trust them to get that info out to the public

and dont get me wrong

[eager island]

what you even saying right now

[fickle garden]

The neighbor was just being a tad silly.

[marsh idol]

that literally if you try to break into someone’s house multiple times

you expect him to not do anything about it?

especially the context behind it

what are you saying?

[fickle garden]

He could've just bribed Nicky.

[marsh idol]

either way Peterson himself isnt a perfect moral person

[eager island]

still

[marsh idol]

with what

[eager island]

its a kidnapping

[marsh idol]

what would Nicky want

[marsh idol]

i literally said

i fixed my point

[fickle garden]

Money?

[marsh idol]

do you really think he would take it

he might say something along the lines, "okay but what are you hiding in your basement though"

when he heard screaming

you would think it’s reasonable to not try to invade someone’s house when you heard screaming from it

[eager island]

no ones gonna believe him

[marsh idol]

Nicky is no ordinary boy

[fickle garden]

Well you know if Nicky wasn't such an idiot he would've figured it out very easily.

[marsh idol]

say that to the guy himself

[fickle garden]

@velvet cloud

[shell gull]

Nope not really, in the books Nicky was friends with Aaron and multiple times met Ted at the Peterson house, also times outside the house too.

[vagrant igloo]

Nicky being friends with aaron wasn't just the books
they are friends in the game too

[wanton roost]

hello neighbor diaries

[shell gull]

True.

[brisk hearth]

Theory: the Guest is the last member of an extinct species of powerful bird people who like to dress like the humans of the modern era which would explain the Guests design change.

[vale topaz]

What if like act 1 and 2 is actually a dream? Like act 1 is normal-ish and if the hn2 layout is taken as the real one then the first part of act 1 is a slightly distorted version of the neighbor's house with a blocked off 2nd floor, also that would mean the basement would be massive, a whole labyrith as some metaphor of how traumatic the experiencie was (or something like that ig). Act 2 then would make more sense as less of some metaphor out off nowhere but instead part of a dream (or nightmare) that represents how trapped Nicholas feelt. Act 3 begins with Nicky waking out of a nightmare witch is where this idea came from.

[eager island]

act 1 is the real event

act 2 is distorded memory

act 3/finale self therapy

[ripe berry]

it's kinda complicated but officially speaking Act 1 is a real event

(although because everything is canon this causes conflict with Book 3 and AS Ep. 4)

((however everything being canon in itself causes conflict between the stories told by the different sources so yeah))

[wanton roost]

how do u get the vr neighbor role btw

[ripe berry]

it was limited time when #hello-neighbor-vr first dropped

you can't get it anymore

[wanton roost]

ohh alr thanks

[ripe berry]

Nikita/Grandeturisto confirmed as much
just like how nothing in HN1 was ever just a dream.
Act 2 is Nicky's mind repeating memories of his escape from Ted's house
the "Nightmare Sequences" are Nicky as an adult realizing what Ted went through
Acts 3-Finale, despite seeming logical to label a dream, is more like Nicky is giving himself Therapy, which gets represented by the giant Act 3 House and the fights in Act Finale

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor's placement is weird because it definitely was between Acts 1 and 2 at some point, but I think it's currently after HN2 because of things like this and cross-referencing with outside media

[ripe berry]

Ted's house being an "Old Abandoned Ruin" literally doesn't work if SN is anytime before HN2

[stiff spire]

Yeah

although the badge looks cool it does feel confusing

Like what you said Secret Neighbor took place between acts 1 and 2 of the first game when Nicky went missing and then the squad was teaming up to save him

I would guess maybe the badges were made for decorative purposes but at the same time I think they’re trying to say something like lore wise

[ripe berry]

yeah... some badges feel like random jokes

but making the badge about abandoned ruins have an image of Ted's House feels intentional and like it's meant to hint to something

[stiff spire]

for sure

[ripe berry]

and it's not the only thing that makes SN retroactively occur later in the timeline then was originally intended

the Storm/Hurricane Plotline started with Secret Neighbor, but under the current timeline the Storm must occur after HN2 (it was gonna be during Act 2 of HN2, and it still occurs at that time as Patch 9's Forest Sidequest still shows photos of the storm), so if the storm was close enough to cause evacuation warnings like the OoB assets in SN implies that means SN occurs after HN2

[stiff spire]

I agree

it all seems very strange but it seems like it’s leading up to something maybe the animated series might answer our questions if not maybe later we’ll get answers idk

[ripe berry]

the hurricane plotline is kinda stuck in limbo because it was meant to be resolved by Hello Neighbor 2 but HN2 Patch 10 was cancelled

if you wanna actually have it lead to something-
just use the side-media and place Raven Brooks Disaster as during the Hurricane so there's an actual payoff for everything that was being built up.

(besides would be weird for there to be two Hurricane-like storms in the plot for no real reason, right?)

[stiff spire]

Agreed

Raven brooks disaster was definitely leading up to something which I really loved like when I got the book in 2021 I was really excited to see how it would’ve connected into old hn2 at the time

It’s a shame how we didn’t see it in action ngl

[ripe berry]

and if you look at the AS and cross-reference with SN you run into ANOTHER thing that pushes SN to after Act 2
the Rescue Squad wouldn't even know who Quentin is until Season 2 (and vice-versa)
yet here he is in SN

[stiff spire]

true

[ripe berry]

and Quentin's appearance in SN was said to not contradict the lore at some point

[stiff spire]

I hope we get to see more of Quentin especially like after he said no to Trinity when she wanted him to join forces

[ripe berry]

however this could be chalked up to differences between the AS and Games

[ripe berry]

yeah

would be a shame if they just never use him again because HN2 got cancelled

[stiff spire]

Would be nice to see Beatrix in action though again I’d like to imagine they were gonna bring her back in Hn2 after seeing the newspaper clipping but we’ll definitely see Man in the Hat hopefully since he made a cameo in the AS

[ripe berry]

(My current understanding of the Hurricane Plotline goes:
Hello Neighbor 2 - only here because part of it is in the plotline
Hello Engineer - The storm is only a day's away and Theodore's trying to use it to figure out Time Travel
Theodore fails to actually perform time travel and gives up, deciding to Flood Raven Brooks by manipulating Weather with the Mayak Weather Station
Raven Brooks Disaster - the Actual Storm
Hello Neighbor 2 Act 2 (or what we have of it) - the Aftermath of the storm
Hello Engineer Sandbox Mode - the Kids escape from whatever Ted did with them at the end of Hello Engineer
Secret Neighbor - Idk)

[ripe berry]

yeah. it definitely feels like they were trying to set up a mystery there

(and also providing reasoning for why Quentin is the way he is in HN2)

[stiff spire]

Quentin and Beatrix being siblings seemed like an interesting and very cool plot point

as I’d like to imagine the Q cut off most likely was

[ripe berry]

although we can guess either the Guest or the Forest Protectors are why Beatrix went missing
I feel like a key scene in their plans for HN2 would've been a flashback showing what happened to Beatrix

then again we don't know for sure so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stiff spire]

all we can ever get is just Quentin getting passed out again 😔

[ripe berry]

there's no way they intended anything other then Quentin and Beatrix being related
no other character in HN2 even has a Q in their name.

[stiff spire]

true

maybe except for the dog walker in the books Mr. Quinn but I don’t think it’d be him doesn’t make sense

would be cool to see him again his mustache looked cool

[ripe berry]

plus Coffee and the TV-Monitor thing directly imply Quentin as he's the only character in HN2 to have previously been connected to those two things.

[stiff spire]

Yeah

for some reason I could imagine them making a prequel game with Quentin and Beatrix like hide and seek but I don’t think they’d do that

[ripe berry]

yeah... again, it feels more like there was a flashback scene intended in HN2 that would've shown all we needed to see regarding that topic to understand.

[stiff spire]

for sure

it seems like they wanted to do something with Mith too

[ripe berry]

(just to cap this off: Secret Neighbor's plot makes no sense anywhere except before Act 2
but the actual evidence indicates it's after Act 2
hopefully AS will make that make a tiny bit more sense ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[ripe berry]

yeah

why else hide his hat near the top of the Church?

[stiff spire]

I believe they opened his casket probably just taking a nap I’d like to guess and then in the update patch they sealed it off

[ripe berry]

why else hide him in AS S2 Ep. 4?
and why else indicate in SN that Quentin and MitH know each other?

[ripe berry]

I feel like that was a non-canon easter egg

[stiff spire]

Maybe

[stiff spire]

that’s true

I hope they do show the connection

[ripe berry]

they definitely had SOMETHING planned regarding MitH just like there were plans regarding Quentin and Beatrix.

[stiff spire]

I used to want to think Man in the Hat was the missing journalist but he had a nose job and went under a new identity but idk now

[ripe berry]

not to mention the tapes in HN2 and the RBBArchives Website

[stiff spire]

Oh yeah

[ripe berry]

yeah
I used to think they are the same but the problem is that MJ's implied to be dead but MitH isn't.

[stiff spire]

the rbbarchives website was cool it’s like it was leading up to a huge update for HN2 like an arg

I hope we get the identity of who mith is at some point

one of the most biggest unanswered questions behind who the Guest is which I’m excited for in season 3

[ripe berry]

yeah
AS seems focused on both being an easy way to let newcomers in on the lore, and explaining the Guest, one of the biggest mysteries still unsolved by the games and books.

[stiff spire]

I’d like to imagine as the most popular theory is the neighbors brother but

I don’t know whether to think if it is maybe it could be someone we’ve seen or someone entirely new but idk

[ripe berry]

I mean... Franklin WAS only introduced in the AS...

and we've been told that we've seen the Guest already... "in a way"... whatever that means

[stiff spire]

yeah

[ripe berry]

plus there's not really that many options in the AS for who the Guest could even be

[stiff spire]

I’m really curious to see how it’ll turn out from what Alex had said

[ripe berry]

oh, and Franklin is literally the biggest unresolved mystery in Season 2

[stiff spire]

True

when he fell in and the beam of light came there was some entity thing I would like to imagine it was him

[ripe berry]

Alex even called (assuming I grabbed the right link) the Franklin scene the most important scene in S2
#hello-neighbor message

[stiff spire]

Ah

Franklin had the most saddest death especially since the neighbor was upset and which explained him yelling in the prison cell at the start of episode 1

I had a hn dream where it had a different take where the neighbor got sent into jail and had an orange jumpsuit and like the cells had people and they tried to grab him and the neighbor was scared

[ripe berry]

yeah (to the saddest death thing)