lore-discussion

[stiff spire]

I can't wait to see how it'll end

[dusty trench]

Yeah. And then they are making the movie which is meant to show more of the inside of the story like the core with like nicky and aaron. But instead its going to show a new angle of the story we havent seen yet. And they were talking about a trilogy of HN movies but they dont want to plan too much a head.

And not only that, but Alex did say that he really wants to finish up the books story and continue off of reset day and finish that storyline. He said he wants to do it maybe after the HN movie but again, he doesnt want to plan to a head.

I can honestly see the a trilogy. The second movie being the Aaron trilogy and hide snd seek from Aaron and Myas perspective aswell as showing more of Mr. Petersons past since Aaron trilogy gives more background on that. And the third movie being the reset day finished trilogy (what ever a finished version of that coukd be like).

[lean gyro]

The season Season 3 is Final season

Hello neighbor season 3:The last:Hello,Neighbor

?

[eager island]

yes

[marsh idol]

hello neighbor movie starring jack black?

[gusty flint]

or michal kovach as nicky

[dusty trench]

YO wassup. That would be a good casting. He is already familiar with characters like Jax from TADC. He would be good as adult nicky. I wonder who would play kid nicky though.

Or aaron paul as adult Nicky

Ooo I found good casting. Grant Feely as Kid Nicky. And Micheal Kovach as Adult Nicky.

peak

[fickle garden]

What if Theodore died during the car crash and crows are using his body as a skin suit the whole time? 🤔

[vagrant igloo]

The guest was a costume neighbor used to hide himself from the crows, but he took it off and they stole his skin

Lore

The cultists all worship the crows so the crows don't steal their skin

In the show when they leave the coins, those cons protect you from the crows, and all the people who died had just thrown their coin on the ground and didn't want it

It all makes sense

Mr Peterson locked Aaron in the basement so the crows can't get him

The screams in HN1 were the neighbor being murdered by crows

HN2 is the crows locking Aaron up in the museum so they can use him for a ritual

Quentin came to raven brooks to investigate the strange crows

It all fits

Hn3 is the aftermath of it all, the crows are so weak from the storm that they can only use Mr Petersons body, and the guest is trying to steal people to give to the crows

[dusty trench]

Theodore as Nick offerman or Henry Cavill. Diane played by Amy Adams. Aaron played by Cameron Crovetti. Mya played by Maggie Elizabeth Jones.

[dusty trench]

no

[fickle garden]

Are you sure?

[dusty trench]

yes

[vagrant igloo]

The reason Mya died is Aaron saw a crow on her shoulder (like we see when respawning) so he pushed her

[dusty trench]

no super natural stuff in HN

[vagrant igloo]

Who said it was supernatural

Crows are extremely intelligent

[fickle garden]

Have you ever walked into a box?

[dusty trench]

he said crows using Theos body as a skin suit

[vagrant igloo]

Or used an umbrella

[vagrant igloo]

HN2 would be that

That's why he was locking Aaron up in HN1, and that's why he's so mean, the crows possessed him

[fickle garden]

Hey guys remember in the show where that girl was smote by lightning and disappeared?

[dusty trench]

impossible becaue first of all makesno sense. And there isnt suoer natural stuffin HN. Crows cant possess

[fickle garden]

Pretty sure there is at least some supernatural stuff in HN.

[dusty trench]

And really hope your joking

[dusty trench]

no

[fickle garden]

Luck devices?

[fickle garden]

This? ^

[vagrant igloo]

Ted's brother turning into a ghost or smth as a giant beam or light shot out of a massive hole in the ground

[fickle garden]

Guys remember when Theodore's brother fell into a pit, and the light that came out was actually him going super saiyan.

[vagrant igloo]

The crossover no one needed or wanted, but we still got

[dusty trench]

mb was doing something else for a bit. And also no. The luck devices are weather detectibg devicing that the cukt memebers use to sabotage places to target certain people. And they use the luck devices to detect the weather so they can use the weather machine to manipulateit with some laser beam stuff and other technology that makes and manipulates weather and lighting to explode electricak cords (like we seein AS) and the golden apple coins areother versions of the luck device.

[fickle garden]

And the other stuff?

[dusty trench]

Not a ghost. Probaby him being stuck or something or dying becaue of the reaction of the beam beibg super strong and radioactive and glitchy.

Ill send more hold on

[fickle garden]

Obviously he was going super saiyan.

[dusty trench]

yeah idk how people dont know that

Anyways, im goin for a bit.

[dusty trench]

And rate this casting of the peterson family.

[dusty trench]

And this kid and adult nicky casting aswell.

rate both…

Alr im goin now.

Alr, im back for a bit now…

[dusty trench]

Idk why my messge keeps deleting but again for the last time, people who are a fan of hello neighbor, or are interested in the lore of hello neighbor or are new to hello neighbor in general, start from this comment back down here. It may take a fee days because well its alot but I think its worth it cause I love the lore snd I feel like this page needs some more, lore discussing since thats what it is. I recomend this because this discussion and allthe way down gives backgraound knowledge on the lore and how things work and to make things that we see in HN make sense with the coneyxt we have and the stuff being teased. These discussions tome cover alot of facts abd even theories by people (please look at ones that actually make sense, I dont want people to get confused). And I recomed this because I really think the stuff people are most confused about can really make sense even though things are really symbolic, but I feel like people really need to understand what this series is about and need some, clearing up on most things (not everything rn since not everything is confirmed yet).

[vagrant igloo]

Huh

What did you say

[dusty trench]

there it is, now I figured it out, I cant say the @ and then everybody

thats why it was getting deleted

[vagrant igloo]

Ahh

[dusty trench]

yeah

[vagrant igloo]

What was the context for it anyway

[dusty trench]

@vagrant igloo , this

[vagrant igloo]

A

[dusty trench]

Alr i gtg

bye yall 👋

[shell gull]

Forwarded this since it was a Lore bit.

@dusty trench

The Peterson car crash has been something that’s seemed to have changed over time in its way of how it played out, while it seems the pizza truck had caused it it’s never fully said that it was the source of the crash, in HN2 RBBA the car crash incident is noted as “unknown” as to how it happened, signifying that even though it clearly seems the pizza truck did it, the whole Town doesn’t believe that, signifying the Town is aware that this was caused by something else, which is very obviously The Guest.

It seems likely The Guest was in the way of the road when Ted wasn’t looking causing him to steer off and crash into the pizza truck.

[fickle garden]

Imagine at the end it's just all a dream.

[dusty trench]

Yeah. And I was not really saying the pizza truck caused it, I already knew it was the cult and guest who had caused it since that is just obvious. I was saying pizza truck since in HN1 they used a pizza truck, and even in the secret neighbor roblox. And in the AS in the scene where they showed some of the crash a truck was next to the car (we couldnt see the pizza sign though cause it was hidden).

[dusty trench]

And also it not like its changed the story. Like the reason for these weird things and how the story is portrayed is mainly symbolism and the way its played out in different media is related to the characters perspective and there experiences, and even their curiosities and obsessions. And this moment was one that changed the story in a way in terms if how the timeline is and it impacted characters like Mr. Peterson and was one of the big basis for the future of the story and hiw it flows. We see these elements alot in the franchises storyline represented alot. And we know its symbolic, its just the matter of how it works.

[shell gull]

Oh no I wasn’t saying that you said the pizza truck was the cause, I was pointing out how it’s made to seem from the outside the cause when in reality it wasn’t.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[dusty trench]

Oh yeah, mb

[shell gull]

It’s chill.

[violet badger]

Thanks!

[dusty trench]

Your welcome

[marsh idol]

i never seen such an intelligent being

and you literally joined recently in 2025

❤️‍🩹

[dusty trench]

I was in this server (or the old one cant remember) but logged out of my account a long while ago (think I deleted it) because I just wanted a break off discord.

[marsh idol]

oh i see

[tribal talon]

Quinten is the Chris Chan Of the hello neighbor universe, he created Guest-Chu

[outer ingot]

This is terrifying your honor

[opal anvil]

i like this place

i like lore

[opal jackal]

Oh...

[fickle garden]

Who is the guest?

[wicked heath]

God

[fickle garden]

Is Quentin the guest?

[wicked heath]

[fickle garden]

Is Nikita the guest?

[stiff spire]

yes

[vagrant igloo]

No cuz we literally see him as Quentin

[vagrant igloo]

No cuz uh.... Those noises we heard in the devlog were the guest?

Idk

[vale topaz]

Well the nikita in the devlogs is actually cgi and sfx

[vagrant igloo]

Ah that's makes more sense

[tribal talon]

I think mannequin #43 is the guest

[wicked heath]

Does the neighbor even have that many?

[vagrant igloo]

Oh yes

[tribal talon]

I think that Oh yes was in reference to how NPC #83 from hello neighbor 4 released in June 18th 2030

He said

And I quote

"Oh yes, you've finally found out my secrets"

I was so surprised when he said that because it was the first time HN had full speech

[vagrant igloo]

I totally thought you were serious for a second

[fickle garden]

Wouldn't there be only 4 neighbors in Hello Neighbor 4?

[tribal talon]

I take that "I" as a reference to the Roman numeral one, HN 1 is getting 9 updates, one update for each word you said

[fickle garden]

Guys remember when the Neighbor said Hello while playing Hide and Seek and then started engineering something with secrets that required us to search and rescue? Really crazy lore.

[fickle garden]

Is Hello Neighbor 1 retconned?

[static berry]

dont think so

remember "everything is canon just not in the way you think"

lolz

[fickle garden]

Well who was Nikita talking to when he said that?

Maybe whoever it was just doesn't think correctly.

[static berry]

seems as tho there are too many games that reference hn1 and fit its timeline for it to be retconned

the show appears to perhaps be an alternate universe same relative events situation altho i could be wrong

[fickle garden]

Alex said this about the movie and stuff.

[static berry]

yeah so its kinda like the fnaf books if ur familiar with that. Like its canon but not at face value. The underlying message/events like lets say a car crash or a kidnapping are the same but the people involved and the motives may change

[dusty trench]

But he said it multiple times before, so everything is canon and mayak will explain it. And Alex has said stuff obviously hinting at nikitas words even people asking him about the weird stuff in the series and he said it has something to do with perspective and even thibgs hinting at mayak explaining everything. Its obvious they arent lying about this. But the movie is the only thing that is different because it being confirmed semi canon.

[dusty trench]

Its not an alternate universe they confirmed that it is canon to the games and books. Its really symbolic and about the characters perspective and experiences and minds and how it represents the story with way its portrayed and played out.

[ripe berry]

The Conversation in question:

(You need Neighbor's Archive Role to see the Channel #old-rbo-discussion message)

he responded in the same way to the other times he was asked about canonicity

[dusty trench]

And that makes it obvious he isnt lying or being scarcastic. Alex has even backed this up with clues and other stuff hinting at nikitas words and ties directly into what he has been saying. And there is even more conversations aswell.

And there is many clues in the games books and AS to back this up aswell as other media (websites, art, and about pages).

[polar epoch]

Multiverse would have been very interesting

[outer ingot]

It could be more stuff that has happened to mr Peterson in the past. We already know about the incidents with the park rides he built

“It is canon but not in the way you think.”

[lean gyro]

i will explain my theory here

[marsh idol]

then do it

[lean gyro]

but before explaining it...

Is very crazy but....Hello neighbor and Cut the rope are in the same universe...

Wait no..forget it..

[wicked heath]

Huh?
Yes I suppose OmNom is canon to the story about kidnapped children

[lean gyro]

I Have another theory..the end of hello neighbor...

HN 3,HN 1 remake and the movie will be the end....Lets go to the announcement trailer...you can hear the hits from the hammer...3 hits...hello neighbor 3 the basement door means Memories..

now..with the movie...there is a part where the player turn on the TV for distract the Neighbor...The TV is the Hello Neighbor Movie...And the neighbor..are the fans..They want to distract us, so we don't get scared of the end...

[marsh idol]

crazy

does remind me what yall think the hello neighbor movie will be about

maybe theo’s past and the cultist instead of act 1-3

[lean gyro]

And the hello neighbor 1 remake,hello neighbor 1 is the born of the entire games,now,we are the player,escaping from the sadness and fear

In the trailer,when we escaped from the neighbor,all the house is changed...its our reaction,the end is near,our mind changed...

With HN3,idk if This phrase is popular but in my country Mexico,the third time is the real one,the definitive,the one that makes us happy..lets continue,At the end of the trailer, we see that we try to remove the wooden planks..for the door,the door means the hello neighbor games..but the end of the saga catch us and..and buries the player,but this means,that the game is buried.
But alive..the fans will remember the game

The announcement trailer is the one that starts all,and the end of the trailer is the end of all..

[dusty trench]

@lean gyro This is beutiful because why does it actually make kind of, sense.. 😂🙏

[little lodge]

Ts is magnificent

[onyx ivy]

Guys

is the thing physical

and is he real

@here

also is he 4D

beyond human comprehension

[wicked heath]

The thing is just a representation of fear and traumas in the form of a character

[onyx ivy]

is he physical

[worldly hollow]

Does anyone have any theories for who the man in the hat is?

[mystic elm]

Why are you bringing powerscaling into this

💔

[mystic elm]

He just brought powerscaling into this but wtv.

I do got a question though.

[onyx ivy]

yes and also

is the thing by any chance real

[mystic elm]

That literally doesn't matter

go to dms for this

[onyx ivy]

it does lol

[mystic elm]

or the gc

[onyx ivy]

sure brother

[versed yacht]

the thing isn't real as a phsyical being, but is instead a visual representation of fear for the player

he's not a real phsyical being in the HN universe, just a visual for the player of the game to use to further understand nicky's fear

[onyx ivy]

yeah see

i knew it ty

[vagrant igloo]

What

He's just another character

Like

Like his name?

All we know is that he was Quentin and Beatrix's boss

[willow depot]

some people are gonna tell you he's the "missing journalist" from HN2 promo stuff

missing journalist in question was an investigative journalist looking for missing people in Raven Brooks before he "got too close to them" (them probably being the forest protectors) and was probably murdered before Quentin replaced him at the Banner

despite evidence seemingly aligning I personally don't believe this because their facial features and attires are obviously very different alongside overall body shape

alongside the fact that MJ was already a part of HN2 lore while Man In The Hat was an after-thought, and even listed seperately in the excel thingy alongside other "additions" they had to do (Beatrix, Farmer, etc)

[vagrant igloo]

I still have the theory that mith is the guest

[willow depot]

He's not broooooough

[vagrant igloo]

We've seen mith in the AS, SN, HN2, yet he hasn't had a clear purpose

[vagrant igloo]

Shoosh

[vagrant igloo]

They have basically the same body shape

[willow depot]

that doesn't mean he's one and the same with one of the mainest antagonists

[eager island]

sadly

guest is franklin

[willow depot]

y'know who else has the same body shape

[vagrant igloo]

PFFT noo

[willow depot]

Quentin

[vagrant igloo]

No he doesn't tho

[willow depot]

he does

[vagrant igloo]

No he dont

[willow depot]

he even has the same face features bro

[vagrant igloo]

Bruh, that's every HN character

[willow depot]

this means that Quentin is suffering from schizophrenia and personality disorder

and is... THE GUEST!!

[willow depot]

hahaha, no crap, buddy

[vagrant igloo]

Nop, unless the beam that Franklin was caught in was actually Chernobyl and he mutated and become 12ft tall

[eager island]

AS is all about explaining mayak and guest

[vagrant igloo]

If they reveal the guest is just some random dude imma flip

I'm all for the creature guest theory

[eager island]

it IS franklin

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah right

[eager island]

its alex's super ultra mega exciting lore

[vagrant igloo]

Alex is single handedly ruining the continuity
The CONTINUITY!!!

(it's a joke mods)

[willow depot]

if you think this is bad just you wait until they start marketing the Guest as just Ted's brother and have him pose on the promo art like this

[unkempt sleet]

Hello Guest

[wicked heath]

Whats up

[mystic elm]

In your perspective, would you think the thing is abstract in any way? or nah

Like an abstract thought

[wicked heath]

Yeah. It’s purely to give Fear a shape.
Small related question: have you played OMORI?

[mystic elm]

Nah, I don't usually play omori, also thanks for your confirmation

[old glacier]

That's not fear taken shape that's worse

[wicked heath]

Its not a real character, its just traumas

Purely

[mystic elm]

So his existence is abstract, which is pretty interesting, I usually study philosophies and other stuff relating to ontologies and abstract concepts, the thing being an abstract being is pretty cool ngl

[wicked heath]

Depends of your definition of abstract

[mystic elm]

The abstract concept of fear I think

Since I study some stuff relating to philosophies and ontologies, I am pretty interested in these concepts (if they do) exist within the game

[hasty elm]

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[mystic elm]

I mean

that's true

[hasty elm]

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[mystic elm]

in a situation like this, the thing lacks a physical form and have no shape, yknow what I mean?

He's basically the abstract concept of fear

[hasty elm]

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[mystic elm]

;3

[hasty elm]

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[mystic elm]

I mean.

It's kinda debateble that he could be like an idea of fear

but I feel like its more of a representation of fear

so yeah

[static berry]

what do oyu think happened to him after that random purple zap thing? >:)

[willow depot]

I hope he died and never actually gonna appear in lore again aside from being motivation for Peterson's mad quest for revenge in Alex's vision of the story

[versed yacht]

People hating my goat Franklin.. 😞

Also that entire plot point is just an old scrapped plot point modified to make more sense and fit better in the lore, it's not like it was just made up by Alex

[unkempt sleet]

Franklin isnt even that bad of an addition tbh, i dont understand why people hate him other than the fact that he might be the Guest

and him being the Guest could easily be the Guest just using his body rather than he himself consciously being the Guest

Which also isnt a bad decision, i actually would quite like that

it adds a personal touch for Theodore but still has a way of keeping him separate overall

[vagrant igloo]

I would rather that
Cuz that could work with the creature guest theory

[unkempt sleet]

It's a much better result than if Aaron was the Guest

[vagrant igloo]

Fr

And it would make more sense then Franklin just straight up being the guest

Since hn3 guest is 12ft tall

[willow depot]

kind of scary to think how Guest mutilated and stretched out his body like that

[vagrant igloo]

True

[versed yacht]

I wouldn't even mind Franklin being the Guest, the idea of someone so close to Peterson becoming something not even he can defeat is really neat

Also happy birthday

Overall Franklin is a really interesting character and adds a lot to Theodore. On the surface it seems like it'd take away from the loss of Diane and Mya, but honestly I feel like it just adds more depth to their deaths. Having lost such an important figure in his life only to then find some level of peace, then everything begins to go wrong again for him, it's a neat idea

[outer ingot]

If Franklin is the guest, I guess the scene in the weather station in WTRB could be, the. Birth of guest?

[outer ingot]

I feel like the idea of him losing someone like Franklin so early on in his life shows that he was just doomed to have a unlucky life

[vagrant igloo]

That wouldn't make sense because they are going to show the guests origins in s3

[outer ingot]

Hm. Thats exciting but also makes me think

[versed yacht]

My theory is that Franklin isn't the Guest, but somehow caused the Guest to exist

The S2 flashback is left on a very big cliffhanger, so it very well could show the rest of that as the Guests origin

Thats also kinda evidence he is the guest but yknow

[outer ingot]

That’s highly likely, but I also think that having him be the guest might be to obvious? It feels like it lacks. Depth. If that makes sense. I know it’s hello neighbor but I hold out for hope

(I am not hating on hello neighbor I’m crazy about hello neighbor )

[unkempt sleet]

i think we need an obvious about Guest at this point

[versed yacht]

Yeah, that's why I feel like it's not Franklin, that'd be too obvious. But then again apparently that's the most important scene in Season 2 according to Alex

[vagrant igloo]

If guest is Franklin I will cry

I still like creature guest theory
I really hope that's canon

[vagrant igloo]

I prefer that theory ngl

[outer ingot]

I feel like the way Franklin looked when he floated up looked. Let’s just say familiar

[unkempt sleet]

A human silhoutte

🧍

[vagrant igloo]

That stupid scene made 9328593 little kids think he's the thing

[versed yacht]

The Guest could really be anything at this point, like not even specifically a character he could be a concept for all we know

[outer ingot]

Yeah. I feel like it could be that but it could also just be the same thing it’s always been. I dunno

[vagrant igloo]

I had a very frustrating conversation on yt with someone who solely believed that Aaron is the guest

[outer ingot]

…..

[unkempt sleet]

He is a crow🐦‍⬛

[vagrant igloo]

Like

Out of all the people

[outer ingot]

That’s. Ridiculous

[vagrant igloo]

You choose the least likely

Like

[outer ingot]

The guest is mya guys!!

[vagrant igloo]

Why

[versed yacht]

I mean, I wouldn't even put Aaron out of the question

[vagrant igloo]

She didn't die she just became the guest and created a fake Mya body

[vagrant igloo]

Have you even played HN2
Like
No

[versed yacht]

HNVR and it's shenanigans with Aaron and The Guest

[outer ingot]

I’m laughing so hard rn

[vagrant igloo]

HN2 easily disproves that stupid theory

[outer ingot]

The guest is Ike Gershowitz

[vagrant igloo]

I've lost respect for anyone who believes that Aaron is the guest

[outer ingot]

I’m laughing SO HARD right now

[vagrant igloo]

No he's quentin

Duh

[outer ingot]

I don’t know how to say this properly but I thought in my head in a child’s voice “I can disprove this theory single-handedly because I know first hand….”

[vagrant igloo]

Wait no
He's obviously Diane

[outer ingot]

Oh my god I never thought of that you’re so smart!!

[vagrant igloo]

Ikr

[outer ingot]

Idea. The guest.. Is Lucy Yi

I’m so smart

[versed yacht]

I believe that The Guest could literally be a manifestation of loss in some form, due to his association with taking what people don't deserve and all of that

But if I had to give an identity to him I'd say it's either Theodore, Franklin or Aaron

Each for their own reasons

[outer ingot]

I . Highly doubt it’s Theodore

The limbs are far too lanky and skinny to be him, the build is a lot more slim than Theodore

[versed yacht]

It's really hard to say because for a while that's literally what The Guest was, Ted in a suit. There's also the 2nd Graphic Novel and Reset Day which both depict him as the Guest in some way

[outer ingot]

This is true..

[unkempt sleet]

I like to think that he's a thing thats taken a liking to the Peterson family rather being an actual member of it

[vagrant igloo]

He WAS that's why nft and nlv were so skinny

[versed yacht]

Obviously I don't think it's just him in a suit, but I could see something happening to him and him becoming The Guest in some way

[vagrant igloo]

He isn't now and that's why he is jacked again

[outer ingot]

That sounds really really funny.

Like it’s just some rando who was like “I like this family. :))))”

[versed yacht]

The Guest is just a random guy who's really lonely and wants a family

[outer ingot]

That’s so sad LOL

[vagrant igloo]

Theory
Mr Peterson remarried after Diane died and had a child who was mutated by some sorta crow disease
Guest is born

[outer ingot]

Eyes pop out of my head like the mask

[versed yacht]

All that stuff he does is just very conveniently misinterpreted and seems malicious but is just him trying to join the family

[unkempt sleet]

He even buys a gift for Aaron in HNVR, he's a nice guy

[outer ingot]

Sniffles. How sweet

[versed yacht]

He even helps him free Nicky

It all makes sense

[outer ingot]

I really really like guest. Guest makes me smile big and wide and I say YAYY

[versed yacht]

He's just a funny little guy

And then in reality he's actually the concept of loss manifested by grief and sorrow and the Mayak or something

[outer ingot]

I really like the idea of it being sort of connected to the Mayak

I like weird guys who are manifestations of building or things

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak is connected to the Storms
Guest is connected to the storms, it all makes sense

[outer ingot]

(Human tardis makes me turn into a wild animal)

[unkempt sleet]

Heck, he even was the storm at one point

[outer ingot]

This is true!!!

[versed yacht]

Y'know I actually had a theory at one point about Franklin and the Mayak and this whole conversation reminded me of it

It was basically just the idea that Franklin BECAME the Mayak in a way

[unkempt sleet]

Oh yea, i rember that theory of yours

[outer ingot]

I like the idea of Franklin haunting the narrative

[versed yacht]

Not like, actually, but the Mayak like, absorbed his energy and it activated the Mayak's powers or whatever

It's a very simple theory and it's not fleshed out at all but if Franklin turns out to not be the Guest that's my second best guess for what his death means

[outer ingot]

Yeh

[versed yacht]

Also the whole "The Well is gurgling" line really implies that Franklin might have been the first but not the last to fall into that hole

[outer ingot]

Yuuurp

[unkempt sleet]

The Well

i love The Well

[versed yacht]

We love the Mayak Death Pit of Doom and Despair (The Well)™️

[outer ingot]

Sighs and looks into the sky. Kind of thinking about doctor who when people say The Well

My Dr whotism killed the convo

Let me get this back on track

I really think the guest could be a small handful of people. I just do not know

[versed yacht]

Don't worry lol, wasn't that I'm just falling asleep (it's 1AM for me I really need to go to bed)

[outer ingot]

Same time zone!

You should go to bed

[versed yacht]

True, I will be doing that now

Goodnight chat

[vagrant igloo]

Heyyy
Same

[unkempt sleet]

Midnight Entity is the Guest no way

[outer ingot]

Oh my god….

[tall citrus]

is as 3 out yet

[unique tendon]

no not rlly

[carmine island]

There is no hello neighbour 3 for you only very early states of the forest dweller and the weird sign faced whistler guy for your people

[worldly hollow]

Am I the only person that is scared of The Guest?

[empty cairn]

nah im deeply scared of him

i quit hello quest bc i saw him for a milli second

[dusty trench]

Ive met peopel who think that the guest is something straight out of SCP monsters and even old creepypastas. To me he isnt fully like super scary just in general, but he can be. Like his looks are very weirdly lanky skinny ish and you see a hoodie no eyes and a large beak that could stab through your stomach. And his best portrayals imo are in HN2 and S&R in terms of how scary he is (and the books too). He is portrayed in a mysterious way and even really manipulative and greedy like, and also his blood thirst ly side is really shown in HN2 but also even in S&R aswell in a way. And the way he is portrayed in the books fits his character and how intimidting he actually is to the characters in the franchise. And his looks are very mischevious and like very manipukating and like he knows something you dotn and he like taunts you, even sometimes his beak looking like a smile.

[worldly hollow]

Especially in Hello Guest, the noises he makes are super creepy! It has me screaming when he catches me 😂

[marsh idol]

well ain't he a myth in Ravenbrooks?

we barely know anything of him

and his weird proportions

[vivid mountain]

why does guest have beak

[vagrant igloo]

...

What

[dusty trench]

Well the guest aka, the raven man is an actual character in raven brooks and is called the raven man in GN2 and other descriptions in the franchise. He isnt a supernatural creature but some people in the lore think he is. People make myths about him and call him the raven man becaue well, look at him. And hes creepy mysterious and people dont know much about him pther than he is evil. But Alex and Nikita confirmed he isnt a super natural entity. And that the guets will appeal in HN3 and AS season 3.

[vagrant igloo]

I feel like they have changed their decision of him being not supernatural, considering he is 12ft in hn3
From what we can tell anyway

[marsh idol]

well yes i know

but he's a myth to the people there is he not

[vagrant igloo]

What does that even mean

[marsh idol]

wel i meant like people think he's supernatural in ravenrbooks

[vagrant igloo]

He's kinda gotta be

Despite what Nikita said with him not being supernatural

[marsh idol]

er but there's more claims of him being not supernatural

most of his abilities shown is just dreams and stuff

@dusty trench

[vagrant igloo]

He can jump super high for one

Like freakishly high

He can pick a lock with his finger

He's 12ft in hn3
No confirmation but we kinda know

[dry patio]

I dont think thats a good metric to base supernatural on

[vagrant igloo]

...

What person

Ever

Has been 12ft tall

[dry patio]

It could just be a design choice but besides i dont nikita would make the guest supernatural

[marsh idol]

he has gadgets

[dusty trench]

hes still not supernatural cause AS

[vagrant igloo]

We haven't seen AS guest yet

[dusty trench]

yeah but alex said he isnt supernatural at all in AS

[vagrant igloo]

The AS also has some sort of super reactor that kills Petersons brother so like

[dusty trench]

thats a laser beam thats acually in weather stations but its exxagerated cause of artstyle and for the story to be exciting.

[vagrant igloo]

Yea
There's no way raven brooks isn't slightly supernatural tho

[dusty trench]

they said nothing is supernatural in raven brooks. But there is sci fi elements. The “supernatural” stuff us symbolic represenation of the story. Most of it is the mind representing the story in a symbolic way like putting in stuff portrayed as supernatural even though it isnt.

And alex even said the stiry is really more grounded and realistic in a sense.

[vagrant igloo]

true...
just cuz the guest isnt supernatural doesnt mean he's human
we have no idea what creatures actually exist in the hn universe

[dusty trench]

yeah

[vagrant igloo]

honestly im all for creature guest theory

[dusty trench]

but the only thing controdicting what you said is that youll figure out who the guest is it will be crazy.

and they keep implying he is human

[vagrant igloo]

yeah sadly

[dusty trench]

I think it fits the story better.

And the messge

[vagrant igloo]

idk i just really like creature guest
imo i think there could be two guests
a real, creature
and a dude in a suit

[dawn relic]

theory: the guest is just a wizard

[vagrant igloo]

wait-

[marsh idol]

so what about the whole ritual thing

and in the show, some dreams show the future in some aspects

[feral inlet]

Me

[vagrant igloo]

...

[dusty trench]

@marsh idol read this about the forest protectors rituals devices etc

ill tak about the dreams separatly.

[dusty trench]

@marsh idol the dreams are portrayed more symblic like most stuff in the franchise. Like in the first game with adult nikcys nightmares on the past and what happened to Mr. Peterson and his family. He was even looking back on those nightmares that he had to think about what was actually going on in Mr. Petersons perspective and we even see that in hello neighbor diaries. And in hide and seek with showing the bad luck in Myas imagination slowly creep in forshadowing whats gonna happen. And in AS we see the kids slowly havinga hard bad time cause of the stuff they are going through. And the dreams is representing what the kids mainly Trinity is going through at the time and it turns it into a nightmare basically because of her fears that things are just going to get worse from there. And the predicting the future thing is mostly symbloc. Now yes we obviously know it is but how does it connect, well thats because as we see in multiple different oarts of the franchise games books etc of the characters looking back at there past experiences in a fearful way cause of their experiences. Those things we see representing whats gonna happen in the series is not just for us the viewer to know that something bad is gonna happen and thats its forshadowing, in the story its our character looking back at what was going on in their perspective and exxagerating it. And why its mostly represented in dreams is because in most folk lore, dreams are gateways to other dimensions and everything that happens in a dream has some sort of a message. People often connect it to teh spirit realm and stuff but in this case that is t too important. While its not literally this we see lots of “supernatural” portrayal represented in all HN media. Sorry I am trying to explain this the best I can lol.

@marsh idol actually start from here and youll get more of the device and forest protector stuff. A few messages down and youll get the forest protector explanation.

if you wnat you can start here too.

[dry patio]

I dont think nothing is supernatural in raven brooks theres luck devices,the whole mayak stuff and hn2 shows a ritual summoning

[marsh idol]

this is really informative, thank you

[dusty trench]

your welcome 🙏

[dusty trench]

Read the discussion right before and then click the replies

[sick bone]

since it is too complicated to explain here, can you make an archive named "complete hn timeline"?

[dusty trench]

alr that might take a while for now but I will come back later cause well im gonna be busy

hold on though I have one more text

@sick bone look at this message about the timeline we are working with. And then go to teh discussion before specifally the message that shouts out 2 people and if you want you can read from there back down here. It may take a while so read after a few days.

anyways i gtg, seeyah later 👋

[shell gull]

Dreams in HN are definitely metaphorical, which goes deeper with The Nest being a metaphorical world portrayed in dreams, it’s basically twisted reality, which goes back to how every characters perspective of the events and world of HN are different which is why AS, Books and Games or so different from each other.

[dusty trench]

yeah

[shell gull]

Quentin and Nicky are very good examples of their dreams, Quentin has dreams correlating to him figuring things out and his deep need to save Aaron, Nicky’s is from his deep trauma coming back to him constantly.

In HN dreams are quite important across media.

[ripe berry]

new instance of "Not in a way you think" from Nikita
#hello-neighbor message

[willow depot]

Make a collection

[manic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-yikes-oops-awkward-gif-6438541852997122411

[safe charm]

[marsh idol]

so i have a question about WTRB

where does this land in the canon of HN

between act 1 and 2?

[ripe berry]

it's... complicated.

but for all intents and purposes:
Episodes 1-3 is before HN1 Act 1
Episode 4 IS HN1 Act 1 from another PoV
Episode 5 is between Acts 1 and 2
Episode 6 is the closest we'll see to Act 2's actual events (in-game is a distorted memory)
and Season 2 onwards is between Act 2 and HN2

[marsh idol]

hm

aigh

[unkempt sleet]

WTRB covers like most of the timeline in it's own way

[dusty trench]

yeah and its connected to explaining symbolic stuff we see in all media explaining the story from different views. The characters minds portrayings stuff in an exxagerated way from what they are experiencing, mostly from fears.

[dusty trench]

Yes

[dusty trench]

errrrm, Nikita, gonna drop some lore for us orrrr….

[willow depot]

Probably, but not in a way you think

[faint storm]

Hn timeline: somewhere in between 1950s through 60s is Franklin and his transformation then some place between 2013 through 2017 dissappearence of Lucy yi ( I haven't read books so there is gonna be missing stuff but I am reading missing pieces) somewhere in between 2013 or 2017 again Lucy yi parents want to sue Mr peterson once again 2013 or 2017 Mr peterson is almost arrested but he escaped and g.a.a park shuts down after 2017 or 2016 nicky first encountered with Mr peterson then I presume 2017 nicky captured aka act 1 2017 again nicky is saved aka secret neighbor and act 2 then s2 ep 1 is some months before hn2 and not much happened n this so possibly late 2017 maritza makes a deal with the devils crowfaces and maybe very early 2018 is where hn2 starts idk because we gotta wait for s3 this is probably very wrong in some parts because I haven't read books so let me know

[sick bone]

hn games takes place at 90s

only act 3 takes place at 2017

[faint storm]

This is from animated series perspective

I can make a whole another one from the games perspective

[sick bone]

AS just doesnt makes any sense

[faint storm]

I know as really messed up some stuff on where everything takes place in the time but it's still possibly to put it in order and that's all that matters

[marsh idol]

REALLY helpful

[dusty trench]

I feel like for the dates that are shown in the games books and whats presented so far in AS has a deeper meaning taht has a connection to time loops and could hint at a new way of time we havent explored yet. It does have something to do with perspective though. Like figuring out characters true perspectives ge to figure out the truth.

There have been way more hints at time in things like reset day, HE, S&R.

Because things like characters oerspective portraying things in a different light like we see theoigh out HN while having some connection to dates, I think the dates and time periods have a deeper meaning.

[shell gull]

Wish we got to see Quentin’s twisted perspective and play it, which was the plan as The Nest (Known as The Outskirts) was supposed to be that.

[stiff spire]

I'm kind of confused was the outskirts like another part of Raven Brooks but just a bit farther away right

[shell gull]

No not really, the original idea was it was Quentin’s twisted perspective of reality, in the books and novels it’s like a separate realm that’s dream like.

[stiff spire]

interesting

[shell gull]

Going back to him dealing with Yellow Press, and twisting what is real and what isn’t.

[stiff spire]

seems like they wanted Quentin to be like a weirdo or something I mean while I think that would've been cool I think I like his clumsy persona we have now

[shell gull]

Yeah definitely, they were definitely leaning towards the mental psychological side like they did with HN1.

Nikita seems to really enjoy that kinda story.

[stiff spire]

I would imagine the ending is Quentin gets sent to jail ||/j||

[shell gull]

Would be surprised if HN3 took the same route.

[stiff spire]

I actually wonder though how would've HN2 ended if they went with Quentin having a state of mind that was crazy and all that

[shell gull]

Well tbf would make sense honestly

[stiff spire]

yeah

for sure old HN2 lore was pretty interesting especially the different routes Nikita wanted to take it

[shell gull]

Don’t really know, the plot changed many times, originally a full physiological focus, to the RD time loop plot and now what we got in the full release.

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[stiff spire]

I would still like to believe that there are still more HN2 old plots that haven't been shared out but who knows

[shell gull]

For sure.

[stiff spire]

while I think HN2's final lore point they used in the FG was ok I would say it's more of a story we already kind of know the old lore told something new

[shell gull]

Still though, the biggest miss with story in the entire franchise was The Guest, got turned into a side quest in his own focus game that he was hyped up for, while in other games he got a bigger role.

[stiff spire]

I agree

[shell gull]

Like genuinely how is he such a cool focus in HNVR but in his own main game he’s an extra.

[stiff spire]

true

[shell gull]

It did give us new details but most of them won’t matter in the long span of what we know already.

[safe charm]

Defenitly

[stiff spire]

Steel Wool did an interesting take on the Guest especially since it took the parts of what made the Guest as to what he was and capable of

from the books and stuff

[safe charm]

Guest in hnvr, reset day and gn2 is my fave

In terms of lore

[stiff spire]

especially since if I remember correctly HNVR was written for quite a while even before it was announced

dating back to 2021

[shell gull]

Hopefully, and I really hope, The Guest gets the attention he deserves in HN3, I really do hope the Team makes him a proper true focus in the game, give him the stage he never got.

[stiff spire]

same

[shell gull]

Definitely.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[stiff spire]

since we got Nikita back I think he'll serve justice to the Guest to make up for the time he should've deserved

[shell gull]

See this is sick, in the FG he’s still cool and terrifying, but come on an extra side quest are we serious, only thing he contributed in the story was causing Quentin to crash.

[safe charm]

I admit guest was really cool in patch 9 i really liked him but it Didnt serve him true justice

[stiff spire]

yeah

[safe charm]

At least not story wise

[stiff spire]

while I think I would've liked to see their own viewpoint on how they would've finished HN2 I think HN3 will tell an interesting story

[safe charm]

I love the guest patch 9 behavior like how organic he feels

Reminds me sorta of reset day depiction at times

[stiff spire]

he's very aggressive imo but he's alright

[shell gull]

Which is kinda why him being Tall Guy is a 100% hit, at first I didn’t like the idea of him being like that, but if he is indeed supposed to be Tall Guy and have the Forest Dweller AI then I’m 100% satisfied already with him in HN3, a lurking creature hiding in the dark waiting to catch someone unsuspecting is terrifying especially with the size.

[shell gull]

If it’s done right, which I hope so.

[stiff spire]

for sure yeah

[safe charm]

But yeah if theres one thing im still kinda a bit angry About its defenitly how they treated the guest in hn2 like sure i get it was tough to add him apperantly but cmon man

He was so hyped up

For the story

[shell gull]

Again, how does a character get done so dirty in their MAIN game.

[safe charm]

Hn2 was originally called hello guest lol

Which makes it sadder

[shell gull]

The Guest was always supposed to be the focus up until release.

Most hyped up character.

[safe charm]

Its so weird cause he seem super important in the AS considering how Alex speak of him

So like

Why??

[shell gull]

It reminds me of what happened with Kang in the MCU, all that hype for him to not have any purpose whatsoever anymore.

[shell gull]

Yeah idk, again I hope HN3 does do proper justice for him, I want him to be a main bad in the game, or at least super dangerous.

[safe charm]

And its not like we just told ourself that he was gonna be really important there was litteraly a whole Damn book

With him as the Main threat

[stiff spire]

I've been kind of thinking about it ever since but I wonder what would've been man in the hat's role in the raven brooks disaster since he was supposed to be in the book but was never used however he was on an artwork page done for GN2

[shell gull]

2 books, 1 game, tons of hype, only for him to be an extra in the title release of his character.

[stiff spire]

I was thinking he might've spied on regina and her sister for some reason

and then sabotage them

[shell gull]

That is true, though knowing him being a mysterious watcher definitely something to do with getting to Mayak.

[stiff spire]

true

even though it would be cool to have I don't think man in the hat will be in HN3 but I hope they give him some important purpose especially since we seen him in the animated series and stuff

he's definitely one of the most interesting characters in the HN franchise

[shell gull]

Yeah it would be cool to see him but would be weird knowing circumstances, it would still be interesting to see some stuff about him.

[stiff spire]

for sure

[marsh idol]

came in and came out

[faint storm]

Also 2036 or 2037 nicky overcomes his fear

[sick bone]

its 2017

[faint storm]

as perspective

Your talking about games view

I just realized I messed up where hn2 takes place brb

[sick bone]

every hn media is canon

[faint storm]

I know but as has modern technology the games don't so I'm talking about what I think

Time for games and once again 1950s or 1960s Franklin falls to the underground between 1991 to 1994 Lucy yi flies like an angel: between 1991 to 1994 Lucy yi parents wanna sue and want ransom: between 1991 to 1994 golden apple amusement park experiences the daily william afton experience and burns to the ground because of angry people because Lucy yi IS A GOSH DANG ANGEL YEAAA and also Mr peterson is doing some freak ritual: 1995 I think nicky first encounters mr peterson 1995 or 1996 nicky gets captured skill issue bruh: 1996 Aaron helps nicky escape by unlocking the door and leading him to a vent then nicky escapes wow you know what I'm gonna finish this later

dates might be off

bro what are you typing

[dusty trench]

The dates and time periods in the hello neighbor canon are a weird one. We got most of the symbolic representation perspective psychological stuff and even dreams meaning and lots of how technology in things like the luck devices, the weather machine weather control and weather creation with the clouds and even cloud busters work in HN and aswell as the laser beam. All of that led us to discovering the more of the characters role and meaning of why the story plays out how it deos in multiple medias showing the mind portraying stuff based on the characters experiences, fears, and how other characters portray themselves. But for the dates its a little, weird. And I feel like with all of the time loop stuff thats been shown in the franchise has soemthing to do with it. And it can get us to exploring a different concept of time that we havent gone too yet. Hints at it have been shown in the series before (really in the books). Norman Darby in the Aaron trilogy especailly in puzzle master where he really becomes important taking the role of the puzzle master. He sends notes to Aaron goving him hints on the past which leads Aaron to discovering hints of the future. And one of the notes that was meant to go to Aaron saying that the red key will set him free trust Narf. Narf being Nickys Roths nickname from his parents, and the red key setting him free representing that the lovk on the basement door being red and Nicky using it to unlock the basement (we even see red key represented in HN2 with Quentin saving Aaron, or trying too). And that was before Nicky moved into raven brooks. And in that trilogy we slowly get hints of Nicky moving in and even Enzos dad knowing Jay (nickys dad) since college. And another thing in reset day is when Piper and Delia find a picture showing characters like Nicky Enzo etc (we know this cause of how they describe them and saying old school cloths), and in the back they see someone with modern looking cloths in the back of an old school photo.

I think there is a deeper meaning behind the dates and time periods shown in HN media, something more with the concept of time manipulation or not functioning like supposed to. And it connects deeply to the symbolic representation, psychological storytelling through out the HN media (obviously) and whats really going on with Mayak. Becaue we know the time stuff is connected to Mayak. And Time is usually represented in dates or time loops in important moments of the franchise that had a big basis on the future of what happens in the story and with its characters and how they influence the plot and what theyre role is. Like in search and rescue time and time loops are represented with the characters looking back at a moment that changed Nicky and why they are reflecting on that time period is because they are stuck in regret on how much they hirt nicky especailly after taht moment which changed his character alot. And even in HE its kind of the same thing with Mr. Peterson trapping them in a time loop and just liek search and rescue, tehy break free from a moment taht caused them so much fear not being stuck thinking about that time period and letting it infect their minds, like a time loop. And even Reset day does this too. Now im not saying taht time loops and time manipulation isnt an actual thing in the franchise cause it is, but like the guest and teb storm and the portrayal thing with influence, the way that the time loops have influenced the characters makes the characters minds portray it in a symbolic way to represent whats actually going on. And even in real life when someone with ptsd of a moment in their life tabt they have fear of it and think about it all the time even though they dont want to, it can cause them to forget about their current life or life after that moment. Because they are stuck in that moment, never waking up to reality and breaking free from their trauma.

So what characters like Mr. Peterson do, is trap them in a loop of a moment that didnt go to well quite literally, so that they can never escape their fears. And even in reset day with Piper and Delia.

[ripe berry]

may I also throw in this quote?
#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

yes

[dusty trench]

Now this message is important because some people think this message means they, “scrapped the story.” But what its actually saying is that they originally wanted the AS to have the perspective and vibe following how the books portrayed the story from that view. But for obvious reasons it couldnt work out for animation in a tv series, so they had to scrap it make it smaller and show a new portrayal of the canon story. Something to fit both a fan and general audience of the story in tv form. I know for most who have been around long or just have been keeping up its obvious. But I just want to clarify for some who dont understand. Because in HN, everything is canon.

[gusty flint]

U mentioned the thaory we made!!! Yay!!!

I think that hn3 should have the mayak

[dusty trench]

Wassup. And yes I mentioned it.

[dusty trench]

I bet it will because of the whole storm thing.

[gusty flint]

ya

totally, also I think that they need to make sequel 2 reset day

[dusty trench]

Alex did say before that maybe after the movie they might finish that trilogy.

[gusty flint]

or you could argue that since they are stuck in a time loop, that keeps hapening to them over and over.

/will keep

[dusty trench]

hopefully not. They have much potential as main characters and it would just be wrong considering the marketing behind the book.

[gusty flint]

yah, probably

g2g

[dusty trench]

It can really tie into HN3 in a way considering HN3 having alot of the same concepts and ideas put in. And maybe Piper and Delia will find there Mom and Adult Enzo and we could even meet adult versions of other rescue swuad characters and they can meet in HN3 in a way. Or have some hints at them considering how that game will play out.

[gusty flint]

tbh that would be cool

anyways, g2g

[dusty trench]

Oh Alr, peace ✌️

[little lodge]

Small lore reveal: HN3 Prototype 2 says Raven Brooks was established in 18??

Sometime in that century then.

[ripe berry]

wait until you hear about the cut room in the Back to School DLC

the cut History Classroom has a board saying

"Wayron Croobs - 1842"

[little lodge]

Oh, right.

I never heard about that, cool!

[ripe berry]

so uh yeah

that's the likely founding year of RB

[wicked heath]

The funny gooseman followers been at it for more than a century

[shell gull]

Even though P2 is just a prototype, I find it intriguing that in order to stay completely safe from the Forest Dweller a statue at the festival needs to be built, kinda like an offering.

[vagrant igloo]

kidney

[silver vine]

Yo

[silver vine]

YOO

[silver vine]

Yoooooo

You guys are still here!!!!!

[shell gull]

I hate auto correct…

[vagrant igloo]

Lol

Same

[shell gull]

Yup.

[shell gull]

Yooooooo

Always have been.

[little lodge]

What do we think the Forest Dweller is?

Some kind of subdivision of the Forest Protectors?

I'm assuming it's not the Guest because they'd be more straightforward in saying it's him, as he's supposed to have a part in the full game when it releases.

[dry patio]

Guest

[safe charm]

probably the guest

[little lodge]

And, what are we thinking about the Guest now? It seemed to be Franklin with S2’s introduction, and earlier some kind of supernatural entity.

But now it doesn’t seem to have a clear cut identity.

[ripe berry]

they are
but only in the files, which refer to "Guest Zones"

[ripe berry]

also
reminder in Prototype 1 that statue WAS the Guest/Forest Dweller, and in the files it was called "GodStatue" or smth

[spark tulip]

yo.

[balmy niche]

These are scarier then entire serie

[wicked heath]

Its easy to assume the dweller is either crowface or the guest himself

[vagrant igloo]

It's not a crowface

[wicked heath]

Reset Day is pretty much a hint at that

[vagrant igloo]

And crowface isnt one person

[wicked heath]

Yea I mean the cult

[vagrant igloo]

It's just what the kids call the forest protectors

[vagrant igloo]

Yea

But it's definitely the guest
I believe it's
Guest = Forest Dweller = Tall guy

[wicked heath]

Im still debating whether tall guy is really the guest

[balmy niche]

It is Jacob's father, trust me

[stiff spire]

turns out the tall guy we see in the main menu screens is a basketball player and his name is Balling

||/j||

[vagrant igloo]

to make up for all the inconsistencies in the AS, i've decided to believe that trinity is an adult the whole time, recalling her childhood, and the things like smartphones and giant houses, are just her remembering things wrong

[versed yacht]

posting this here too, my theory on the forest dweller + tall guy

[shell gull]

It’s most likely to be The Guest.

The Guest is both the Tall Guy model and the Forest Dweller AI.

[shell gull]

Good call out.

[shell gull]

Man the third sound is chilling, him slowly creeping up on you and you don’t even know where he is or see him.

[wicked heath]

Thats what i said tho

NVM im stupid

Yes I agree

[willow depot]

Honestly a bit unlikely

I'm ever so slightly skeptical because as opposed to proto 1 the festival statue now actually resembles Coned when complete

And scarily enough on the board there's written "forest dwellerS"

with an s

As if there is a whole bunch of them

[blazing schooner]

Whats the difference between crowface and the guest?

[balmy niche]

Crowfaces are forest protectors

They are human

Guest isn't

[blazing schooner]

Ohh is that like the cult that the mayor in hn2 is a part of

[wicked heath]

One is a cult, the other is....

[blazing schooner]

The guest itself

[blazing schooner]

Wait so does the guest even do bad stuff or is it just the cult that worships the guest? Like because of hn search and rescue i was under the impression that the guest was good

[balmy niche]

Guest was always bad

[blazing schooner]

What did the guest do that was bad??

[balmy niche]

Well, the most concrete example is taking aaron's freedom

[blazing schooner]

I did not know that he took Aaron's freedom

I thought it was like a deal

To get him out or smn

I suppose it's hard for a game to represent that without talking

[balmy niche]

Guest gave him to nicky's key instead of his doll

[blazing schooner]

What

Wym gave him to nickys key??

Gonna have to dust off the vr to replay the game lmao

[balmy niche]

Ending

[blazing schooner]

What is nickys key?

[sick bone]

rhe key to the room where Nicky is locked

[blazing schooner]

So what do you mean gave him to nickys key?

[sick bone]

i didnt say it

[blazing schooner]

Yeah mb

Just wonder what that guy was tryna say

[sick bone]

he said the same thing

[marsh idol]

isnt the guest like not supernatural

[balmy niche]

Doesn't he have any power?

[marsh idol]

no

most of the things you see, like him shape shifting and stuff are from dreams

even Nikita explicitly said the guest is not supernatural

[balmy niche]

So what he is

[marsh idol]

not supernatural

maybe a human or a creature

[balmy niche]

More like a creature

[marsh idol]

possibly

[blazing schooner]

Guest is still my favourite

Evil or not it's cool

Still don't get it at all like

[dusty trench]

I 100% agree with this. Maybe in the full game the forest dwellar could work a but differently and we can learn more like they’res multiple of them and they are actually cult members. But since they dont have enough recources in town for like robes they use tape and stuff to create they’re fake guest outfits. Idk but I love this.

[dusty trench]

No way. This is amazing 🤩. But please don’t tell me ancient cult theory is real…

[muted moon]

the forest dweller kidnapping people isnt a theory, we see it happen ingame

isaac went into the forest, and dissapeared, the same thing happens to jacob if you dont repair the sign

[versed yacht]

I know, I worded it weirdly

[vagrant igloo]

Y'know... What happens if you hit the dweller with an item while he's catching someone

Will he ragdoll?

[muted moon]

i dont think so

since hes just a normal bp, not a character bp

[vagrant igloo]

I doubt he would
But I still wonder

I'll do some experimenting tomorrow

Since you can go find his house

[sudden plinth]

I thought Isaac was the dweller

[vagrant igloo]

Lol no

[sudden plinth]

That's just what I immediately thought, bc there was a forest dweller and isaac was never found

[willow depot]

Wouldn't the logical assumption be that Isaac was grabbed BY the forest dweller

Because that's what happens to everyone who goes into the forest

[glacial whale]

Yes so Isaac is missing or asleep

Do you think he’s just a prototype related thing or could this be a character down the line? I don’t want to assume he’s imoortant since it’s too early.

[eager island]

he probably will stay as a "the one who vanished from the town"

[unkempt sleet]

We could maybe see that vanishing in action later down in the line

[vagrant igloo]

he's definitely an important character

at least atm

[gritty skiff]

Is this guy a dweller?

[oblique drum]

no thats coned

forest dweller is a placeholder for something else

[gritty skiff]

I mean they look similar tho

Like the body structure 100% same

Long legs small torso. Cone on the head

[gritty skiff]

And in p2 basically when u in danger the face of this guy appears

[vagrant igloo]

I believe that the dweller model is a coned placeholder
But this is just speculation

[vestal vigil]

Whats the deal with this mask?

[unkempt sleet]

thats the first time i'm seeing that mask

is this HN1

[vestal vigil]

Yeah

The switch version

[unkempt sleet]

weird

[vestal vigil]

Behind this sign in a shopping cart

I don't know if it's JUST on the switch version or not, but that's where I found it.

[unkempt sleet]

apparently it's a youtuber easter egg

[vestal vigil]

Ah

[unkempt sleet]

no idea who though

[vestal vigil]

Lol I wouldn't know either

Thx for letting me know

[eager island]

BersGamer easter egg

[spring prairie]

easter egg

[wicked heath]

Excuse me?

[wicked heath]

ty for reminding me their name

[opal jackal]

BRUH

MY NAME IS EDWIN.

MY NAME IS DAVID

Dad

I want some ice cream

David

I want another

David

Where is my ball?

I'm running out on the road

There is a car

And it is going to hit me- AHHH

[vale topaz]

^What trying to understand the HN lore does to someone

[desert egret]

Who is the guy that hit the head of the protagonist at the end of hn2

??

[vale topaz]

Pre alpha man

Who is the man in the hat's dad

Also the man in the hat is the true father of aaron

[eager island]

a cultist

[desert egret]

One of the crow guys ?

[vagrant igloo]

Yes

Forest protectors

[south fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-nikocado-avocado-gif-27060552

[barren wolf]

Just came back after a few months of being inactive, how are y'all?

[pearl stump]

My brain just burned

😭

[pearl stump]

What

Man

What

I wanna cry

Just to much knowledge coming in my head

[vale topaz]

Ok so there's a difference between Hello Guest and Hello Neighbour 2 Guest, theyre different people, twin brothers separated at birth

Their father is Nickolas Rot

Not to confuse with Nicholas rot of course

He lives in a small house

Hes the forest guy

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-falling-falling-over-gif-9881376952697054490

[mint crest]

can someone please tell me who is even

ai is saying its quentings son

who you polay as in hn2

and that apparently quentin is the neighbors addoptive dad

[unkempt sleet]

thats like not true at all

[mint crest]

ik

who even is evan

like ive read all the books played all games

evan isnt even a charecter

[vagrant igloo]

Wth are you talking about

[pearl stump]

Idk if i belive on u or nah

[vale topaz]

science proves that 101% of people who dont believe are dummies

[pearl stump]

Shi

Now i have to belive

😭

[mint crest]

i was just testing ai on hello neighbor and it just came up whith this crap

evan isnt evan a charectrer

or quentin is neighbors dad

[pallid scaffold]

Is the Forrest dweller supposed to be the guest?

[unkempt sleet]

its not officially confirmed but probably yes

[brisk hearth]

I saw this too

[brisk hearth]

There is also a seed

[glacial whale]

Yes so that makes it true

[viral dove]

It would be cool for the guest to take on multiple forms rather than the crow.

[willow depot]

Debatable

He's the CROW guy

Slapping his name on something that looks nothing like him would be simply ridiculous

I'm not against the idea of Guest shapeshifting, just as long as it's still clearly resembling him as opposed to team cone heads over there

[azure skiff]

tbf the guest shapeshifting would be kinda good for plot ngl

[fickle garden]

Give him a weapon.

[viral dove]

Yeah I understand that

[azure skiff]

gng i never said he was

[marsh idol]

hes notsupernatural tho

[vagrant igloo]

He can still shapeshift

Hnvr

[marsh idol]

the shapeshifting part

is apart of a dream

he isn’t actually shapeshifting in reality

[vagrant igloo]

Alr
I haven't actually played Hnvr
So good to know

[vagrant igloo]

Techinally doesn't entirely rule out he creature guest theory

[marsh idol]

i never said he couldn’t be nonhuman

he just isnt a supernatural entity

[azure skiff]

supernatural is nonhuman

[marsh idol]

a dog

[azure skiff]

what abt it

[marsh idol]

is a dog supernatrual

[azure skiff]

yup

[azure skiff]

why unc offended

[vagrant igloo]

Dogs aren't in hn confirmed

What

[azure skiff]

.

nothing

[azure skiff]

not if I have smth to do abt it

trust

[azure skiff]

still iss

[azure skiff]

they got formed by volcanoes billions of years ago

[azure skiff]

thats pretty supernatural to me

[vagrant igloo]

What

[azure skiff]

so unlles ur trying to ragebait

[azure skiff]

alright so basically

billions of yrs ago the world was js world

the volcanoss formed

bit of this bit of that

plants r now growing due to photosynthesis

therefore allowing animals to enter our atmosphere

[vagrant igloo]

That's the most wild origin story of earth I've ever heard

[azure skiff]

now thats supernatural

[marsh idol]

unless you’re trying to ragebait

[azure skiff]

fr

[azure skiff]

u r

[marsh idol]

gng thats not really supernatrual, thats just an origin

[azure skiff]

i literally just explained the supernatural origin story

[azure skiff]

also my dog is oretty supernatural

he always knows when its time to ve fed

[marsh idol]

thats it i’m breaking into your house and entering your basement

[azure skiff]

tuff

[dusty trench]

Skipper the mayors dog. Clementine, Brisket, and Gunter, the 3 dogs in the HN2 back to school dlc. Flan Reginas dog from GN2, lol.

[vagrant igloo]

sarcasm

[dusty trench]

I know thats why I added lol..

[vagrant igloo]

Lol

[glacial whale]

What’s volcanoes have to do with hello

[stiff spire]

volcanic neighbors

[marsh idol]

hello

[tired spindle]

no clue lol

[vagrant igloo]

(he wears a hoodie in every game except hn2 patch 9)

[willow depot]

Look he only does because it reuses this one design

In this case it's cool because like

Look at it, it's sewn together and everything

[vagrant igloo]

his og design

too

[willow depot]

it has its charm and everything

I look at the tall dude in the HN3 teaser and people for real just tell me that we went from this monstrocity that sews its own clothing (and rather crudely may I add) and chooses specific dark colors

to like

literally just store hoodie

[vagrant igloo]

well tbf
that is a very unpolished model

used for promo art

[willow depot]

I don't think that's EVEN a model

[vagrant igloo]

he literally uses the signed hoodie

and his pants

iris arms

[willow depot]

lowkey

[vagrant igloo]

and some shoes from i think aaron

[hazy slate]

I much prefer OG guest over tall guy, Tall guy would be cool if he was meant to be a fake guest or something though.

[vagrant igloo]

I like the tall guest
but the og guest is better cuz he is so goofy
I want the goofiness to return

[wicked python]

The og guest is not un homie enough

[vagrant igloo]

ik

but I hope the new guest has some goofiness

[wicked python]

I hope his weakness is plungers

[vagrant igloo]

YES

[onyx ivy]

Can someone explain why the thing isnt real because to be honest he is too good of a charcter just to not be actually real. There are way too many theorys of him.

[chrome maple]

its not real

its fear or something

i cant remember

[onyx ivy]

thats so stupid tho

[chrome maple]

it is pretty stupid

[onyx ivy]

yeah ik

your right

he isnt real

but the fact how he seems so cool in alpha 4 is crazy cuz all that potential went to waste

[chrome maple]

i really wonder what it was in alpha 4

no wait

i think it represented bad parenting or something iirc

[onyx ivy]

apparently nicky talking to his therapist about those feats

fears

such as those 3 rooms

and the neighbor

shadowman was apparently “showing” the fear

he is a visual cue or something of feat

fear

[eager island]

generational trauma

[chrome maple]

yeah

[onyx ivy]

wait where is nickys parents in wtrb now to think of it

why is he always by himself

with no parents to like

help him

[eager island]

they probably don't even know Nicky is missing

[onyx ivy]

yeah wow

shitty parents

[eager island]

since like theres no missing poster of him

[eager island]

*shitty wtrb

[onyx ivy]

why does nicky draw a picture of the thing when trinity visits him and sees he is under the bed

if yk?

or should I get the img?

[chrome maple]

good question

[eager island]

(it is not possible to see the thing in lore)

i just dont care about wtrb

[onyx ivy]

no but trinity saw a picture of the thing

on the wall

[chrome maple]

i dont either

i dont really get the hype

[eager island]

wtrb shit

[onyx ivy]

@eager island

@chrome maple

[eager island]

still

even Nicky shouldn't be able to see it

[chrome maple]

is that nickys room?

i cannot remember

[onyx ivy]

its great fym?????

[chrome maple]

i dont like it that much tbh

[eager island]

the thing is metaphorical not physical

[eager island]

imagine rewriting the lore and screwing it up

[onyx ivy]

it might be in a sense nicky sees the thing but the thing isnt real

thats why no one sees the thing except nicky

because the thing isnt real

[eager island]

it is metaphorical

[onyx ivy]

alright

[chrome maple]

i thought nicky could see the thing cuz hes schizo or something

[eager island]

represents fear and trauma, it exists within every person

[onyx ivy]

yeah ✅

wait guys why is wtrb bad

?

[eager island]

shitty writing

[onyx ivy]

or why dont u fw it

[onyx ivy]

go on

[chrome maple]

idk

[eager island]

the most important thing in a series is the story

i think its pretty enough

[onyx ivy]

the story is pretty good

[eager island]

its not

[onyx ivy]

SO EXPLAINNNN

[eager island]

what do you want me to explain lol

[onyx ivy]

why its not good

[eager island]

.

[onyx ivy]

the story is good

nothing is bad about it

[unkempt sleet]

people hate it because it's doing its own thing in its own medium

and that means changing some things to some extent

[versed yacht]

this is so deep. #relatable

[shut hill]

Alr alr alr

Who here dissing my baby?

My pride and joy?

My favorite show?

Which one you fools wanna eat the ‘crete today?

[tall citrus]

wrong serv brochacho

[shell gull]

I’ve never felt the need to theorize on the lore in a long time, I’m losing my touch.

[stiff spire]

True I wish we got some more stuff to look at since things have been pretty dry right now but I'd like to imagine they're cooking up real good

[onyx ivy]

no because to be fair, I wanna read the books but dont wanna like spend a lot of money

or maybe other people also

but wtrb is free

thats why its more popular or attractive

[versed yacht]

The audiobooks of each of the books are free

But not a lot of people know that

But yeah you are right

[onyx ivy]

yeah i dont know that

[onyx ivy]

is shadowman in the books btw

or the thing

or nah

[versed yacht]

He isn't

[onyx ivy]

im only gonna read the books mainly cuz of the guest prob

your joking

[versed yacht]

He's never mentioned in the books unfortunately

[onyx ivy]

BROOOOOO

[versed yacht]

Or fortunately depending on how you look at it

[onyx ivy]

if anything shadowman is the top 1

everyone would like him

[versed yacht]

He is a cool character but he's also supposed to be exclusively seen by the player, not anyone in universe

[onyx ivy]

yeah true

isnt that why nicky can only see him

and not anyone else

or smth

[versed yacht]

It's weird because apparently not even Nicky is supposed to be able to see him (according to the creator of the franchise)

But in HN1 and the AS he sees him

[onyx ivy]

thats just genuinely wrong tho?

[versed yacht]

Yeah it's weird

[onyx ivy]

nicky literally throughout talks about him

yk when he fights trinity then they take him?