lore-discussion

[steady escarp]

What do you think of my theory?

[safe charm]

Maybe

[steady escarp]

It would make sense

If “everything is canon”

[unkempt sleet]

?

The game storyline is not scrapped what

[dusty trench]

Guest isnt super natural

[safe charm]

True but he possessed him Either way

Theres no actual possible

Way otherwise for guest to be the Neighbor in reset day

[dusty trench]

i was thinking something else that is more symbolic because of how the games and books tell the story. Not possession literally but something else that caused, what ever happened in that scene.

[steady escarp]

The prototype storyline

From hello guest

[dusty trench]

start from here and read the walls because dont want to re type that.

[steady escarp]

There is.

Again, the possibility of the guest being the neighbor is high if we take the books and timeloops into this

[steady escarp]

The guest is the neighbor that survived the first timeloop

[unkempt sleet]

ah well when you say Game storyline my mind goes into full releases rather than development builds

[steady escarp]

The guest is the neighbor that survived a timeloop and managed to live through every loop, and cycle

Eventually losing his mind

[unkempt sleet]

meh

I doubt Guest is a version of the Neighbor

[dusty trench]

no development build is canon. But, they have shown that elements of parts of those storylines playing a small representation in the final releases. Even HN2 (kinda).

[unkempt sleet]

Yea thats true

[dusty trench]

me too. Now there is something with time loops that we dont know too much about yet. But there is a game that gives us hints and a little bit of stuff to work with. Hello engineer

through out the game we see multiple references to time, clocks, and time loops.

even in the end of the story focused campaign, we see what is clearly Mr peterson trapping the kids in a timeloop.

[dusty trench]

lol i was just about to get into that.

and search and recue is kinda the representation of both secret neighbor kinda but even espeacilly hello engineer which is suprising.

and i think that they focused on the moment of them saving nicky because of how impactful it was to the kids and how that moment kinda led them to where they are afterwards. Kinda like the characters see time or the time loops as a somewhat thing of being trapped in that moment. Letting your fears take you over haveing you be trapped in that moment forever, in your mind. They see it as that because of how impactful not just the momenst were, but also the time loops. Even after escaping, they still feel trapped.

and search and recue is also really really symbolic.

[unkempt sleet]

True

[dusty trench]

i know i keep referring back to this. And no this is not a begging thing, but i feel like it ties into what we are discussing.

and also everytime time loops are present in the timeline, its always in moments that are big or a moment that changed the story direction. Or i guess changed the characters.

like the moment where they were going to save nicky. Or the moment where they are at the park. Or when Piper and Delia moved to raven brooks.

[stiff spire]

true I really like that one song from Hello Neighbor Search and Rescue the piano music really hits the main feel of the story especially this part

[dusty trench]

and also something interesting that i never see anyone talk about is the ending of GN2. In the ending we see pris get a message like piper. When she opens it, we see a pictire of Mr peterson like piper at the end of reset day. And then she looks out the windo and sees the guest staring at her, before he runs away.

[dusty trench]

yeah. In my theorys espeacilly when i mention how the games tell the story, i include the meaning if the game, the feel, the style, and music.

[stiff spire]

yeah the composer did a really nice job making the music

when I first listened to it it made me feel bad for the neighbor more after beating the game

I guess thats how HN music gets you

[dusty trench]

I never really saw it as feeling bad for Peterson. I always saw it as his pain, suffering, regret, loss, and sin making him more evil. Becaue he keeps running away from his decisions, and creations. And that caused his family to die, in a way. He let his fears get in the way of him, instead of facing them like nicky and everyone else. And in his mental state, he sees the guest and cult as a representation of his problems always coming back to him.

[stiff spire]

true the neighbor can't seem to run away from his problems

[dusty trench]

its more of if he keeps running away, the storm will always some back to him. Thats why he needs to face it himself. We see that espeacilly in HN1 with the contrast between him and nicky. But the only similar thing they have is their connections to aaron.

[stiff spire]

yeah

[willow depot]

There are no time loops

There are no time loops.

[dusty trench]

their is time loops in HN. But the guest isnt mr peterosn from another timeline. And i dont think the entire story is timeloops that are edited a bit. Its obvious that its more symbolic and everything has a deeper meaning.

[willow depot]

Yes

But I said no time loops to enforce that there aren't really any in thr grand picture of things

It's all the way in reset day

[dusty trench]

oh okay

Mb

but they are also hinted at in search and recue and hello engineer espeacilly at the end of the story focused campaign.

but really they are mostly in reset day so i see what you mean.

[vagrant igloo]

that link is def a scam

it says youtude

[gusty flint]

will we ever get a book follow up to that?

[vagrant igloo]

iirc alex said we might get more books eventually

[stiff spire]

cool

[dusty trench]

alex was talking about making more books after the movie or after hello neighbor 3

[gusty flint]

yay!!!

[dusty trench]

but he said might. Hes not too sure

[wicked heath]

When? Genuine question

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[stiff spire]

more hn books would be pretty fire not just more saga books but maybe like other types of books like an updated better version of the neighbor's notebook and I don't mean to the outdated one but iirc Alex did say something about having the neighbor's actual notebook/diary we can read like probably what he writes in there or smth like that

that'd be cool

[dusty trench]

that would be reallu cool.

[nimble jetty]

What if “everything is canon just not in the way you think it is” or whatever Nikita said means that it’s based on perspectives and you make your own canon and decide whether things are canon or not

The canon is make up your own canon

That’s why everything is canon

Because technically making up your own canon makes everything canon because everyone will have their own different canon

[dusty trench]

it is perspective but also something to do with mayak aswell that we dont know about.

[nimble jetty]

Idk who or what mayak is or maybe I knew but forgot

[dusty trench]

Mayak is the weather station. This is what it looks like.

Basically as what Nikita and Alex have been saying for a while, is that this is where everything starts basically or atleast the important stuff starts and that it will confirm everything.

The station was built by Mr. Petersons parents, Roger and Adele peterson. They had association with the golden apple company which had a huge connection to raven brooks which they were getting funded by. Accidents happened with weather in the station which led to Roger and Adele getting into some troubles. And then one day they mysteriously dissapeared.

This is Roger and Adele in the station.

[nimble jetty]

What do you mean by important stuff starting and confirming everything?

[dusty trench]

Thats what Nikita and Alex said. That Mayak confirms everything and taht thats where it all starts.

Important stuff as an expample would be the Franklin Peterson incident ( Mr. Petersons brother )

Or that Mayak has a connection with the strange weather and the storms in raven brooks.

Even the welcome to raven brooks season 3 finale as Alex said takes place at Mayak.

And that season 3 will confirm stuff or atleast just make things like the guest make way more sense.

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak is a very important place yea

[ripe berry]

welp HN3's gonna be a nightmare for lore
(also definitely at the end of the timeline since how do you even continue the story after this game)

[inner lichen]

Actually, I think it's easy

no matter what happens, the storm always comes

every character has something they want to happen

pretty much any ending could be "canon" without any issues

[eager island]

and theres also probably an quick ending

like nikita mentioned in devlog 2

"or just leave"

just like the quick ending in Far Cry 4

[dry patio]

Basically proto 1s ending

[safe charm]

Im excited for hn3 but im so scared its gonna destroy continuity even furtrer

Altough its already destroyed so maybe it doesnt matter anymore

[shell gull]

I’d say whatever is guaranteed to happen is what happens, whatever is different or possible are things that MIGHT have happened in lore, certain things that don’t cause any issues between other events are easily acceptable to have happened, while events that change or don’t work with others is a thing to be discussed.

[willow depot]

I suppose it's rather unsensical to judge from prototypes alone, but even if theoretically there's gonna be an outcome where the protagonist stops the storm that kills everybody (Mayak save me...), HN3 sets Raven Brooks to be at its pretty much historical "end"

the town is half-abandoned and people are living off personal generators and scraps I doubt that's a condition the franchise can chronologically go forward from

still really funny imagining that theoretically, depending on how the final game will actually go, there still could be a chance that Act 3 takes place after HN3

blud gonna miss everything 🙏😭

[supple pivot]

new leak

[carmine island]

10/10 very lore very hello neighbor

[gusty flint]

I have a theory that all the games are just in the imagination of kids playing with toys

[nimble jetty]

But what if the confirmed stuff contradicts other stuff

[dusty trench]

Idk they said it will be expalined in a non confusing way somehow.

[ripe berry]

I feel like the Mayak explaining everything stuff has just been retconned

[dusty trench]

but they still bring it up. Mostly alex.

[ripe berry]

Alex hasn't used phrases linked to the "explaining everything" anymore
it's "at the core of the story" and "where it all begins"
WHICH applies to the AS, but may not apply to the whole series

[dusty trench]

but I mean, the finale of season 3 is still mayak and that season 3 is supposed to explain alot of stuff such as the guest and HN2.

[dusty trench]

and even if he deosnt use the term explaining everything, so what. That doesnt matter.

because he is still very clearly implying the same thing.

[ripe berry]

fair enough
I just don't see a way for everything to fit cleanly anymore

[dusty trench]

I still can

I explained my thoughts in this page across multiple discussions on the symbolic representation and how it fits into the lore including AS, and time loops on a separate discussion in the page.

like how the games and books tell the story in a more symbolic light without fully putting it out their and its more like a puzzle.

and for the books youd have to really understand the message the series tries to tell. And what certain characters roles are and what they mean.

characters such as Guest, Mr Peterson, etc.

and even other things like MAYAK/weather station, and the storms/hurricaines. And time loops.

this whole message wall.

[dusty trench]

and this discussion on time loops.

and my paragraphs that were in this discussion where i kinda explained more of the continuity stuff.

[ripe berry]

just read through everything and-
damn
that's a lot

also...
that actually makes some form of sense...

also since it's relevant to a part of your post-
just gonna mention that GN2's description implies it ties into (or was meant to tie into) HN2

(from Amazon)

and you kinda seemed to be implying GN2 is between HN2 Act 1 and the Patch 9 Forest Sidequest
so that lines up quite well

[dusty trench]

My HN timeline parts 1 of the games names, book names, and seasons and episodes of the AS.

GN1.

Aarons perspective. Bad blood, grave mistakes, puzzle master. S&R shows the aaron trilogy in a symbolic way. Aaron sees the other kids as his friends including trinity because they were trapped in the basement and tormented by his father and he deosnt want the to happen.

Nickys mind. Missing Peices/ hide and seek (hide and seek Myas perspective). AS episode 1, 2, 3 is in trinitys mind mostly and a little bit if the whole rescue squad except nicky. Why her perspective is so differnet is because it exxagerates her being so curious about everything, and why she is portrayed as being new to the town and not knowing nicky to well is because nicky has been in the basement longer than the rest of the squad and knows alot aswell as stuff from when peterson was a kid. Waking Nightmare, Buried secrets/HN1 act 1. Why nickys perspective mostly in the books is like well, different is because of his trauma of being in the basement and him feeling alone and everyone else leaving him.

S&R core/main goal. Most of S&R represents when the kids are all togethor again and trying to get over their fears and them wishing they can say sorry to nicky becaue thats who they hurt the most. Thats why it centers around when they are saving nicky, its bwcaue thats when he changed. What actually mostly happens here mostly is episode 5 and 6 of AS. What we see of Aaron saving the kids is because The guest made a deal with aaron that if he helps him, then the people his father tormeneted or in Aarons mind, his friends will be saved. Around the time before nicky and the gang escapes is when Quentin joins the town.

Season 2 begins. I see season 2 as a transition to HN2. I say this because Quentin deosnt neccesarrily act like himself in the season. And we see more of the walkie talkie and getting taken one by one element from S&R but separated.

[ripe berry]

alright, makes sense...

[spare bison]

honestly i feel like this game could have been so much more

but i still like the games

[dusty trench]

part 2. The cult is trying to reopen the golden apple amusement park and they originally wanted Mr. Peterson to get out of jail so they can get the book for the plans to the park and blueprints aswell as so he can have a bad reputation because the dismantled the park rides. But instead they git the blueprints and git the book from maritza and already git the plans so they went to the jail to kill him off but they failed and trinity freed him because he manipulated her.

Somehow trinity gets oit of the cell probably by a cop. And Mr. Peterson is now able to roam around the town probably from a luck device. And he is trying to fix the rides so that their isnt another park accident. And the kids are trying to group back togethor but when exploring, they come across crowfaces and while trying to stop them, Mr Peterson is too late and another park accident happens.

Theodore runs away because he afraid that hes gonna go to jail so he goes to take aaron away and then the HN2 intro and tutorial sequence happens. Someone finds quentin probably the cops and then he goes to a hospital and gets a bandage around his head.

Mr. Peterson is hiding in the museum but goes to the park to experiment with time and weather and have good luck so he can stay hidden and make sure the cult doesnt get to his son.

HE happens. The kids try to make it up by just ignoring the past and just build the race car theyve wanted to build for the state inventors club contest (In the gane is exxagerated). And when they go to the park, peterson is their trying to stop kidnap them and trap them in a time loop as revenge. And he ends up suceeding.

HN2 houses and Peterson boss. Quentin figures out the people who are in on the cult. The reason why officer keith is keeping wuentin away and not leslie is becuae keith and leslie are partners and leslie told keith not to trust quentin and to keep him away. And then after the HN2 boss quentin gets kidnapped and Aaron gets taken by the cult to do a deal.

ill do part 3 later today.

[ripe berry]

alright

[dusty trench]

alr i gtg for now. See yah.

[ripe berry]

cya!

gonna hop off now aswell since it's getting late for me anyways

[dusty trench]

alr ima do part 3 rn

[dusty trench]

HE sandbox canpaign part 1. In this the kids have figured out that they are trapped in a time loop by Mr. Peterson and they have to figure out how to escape. Basically through out all of this the kids are actually talking ti each other and are reasoning with stuff so they can be happy and get over their fears. Through out sand box we see the kids taking photos of there adventures if your following the story and yiu see there smile slowly go up each time. And there is multiple references to the past such as Mya, Diane, Lucy. And of course, Nicky, since thats who they hirt most and they wish they coukd say sorry because they didnt fully understand what he was going through.

When Quentin got kidnapped. When he got kidnapped, the cult members were originally going to kill him because he knew too much. But instead the guest saved him because there was a change of plans and the guest wanted to enslave quentin to help them do their work. The guets does this by if Quentin does helps them aka joins the cult, then he can be with his sister. And Quentin got scared for obvious reasons and didnt trust the guest, so he started to fumble with the cults plans which causes them the guest to be pissed. He starts chasing Quentin around all the way to the forest area. And then Quentin finds a newspaper of his sister reminding him of when he lost her, making him regret all of his decisions. And the guets is the influence of that. Making him bkt go at peace withbhis sister once again. And then when Quentin goes to the Mya and Diane maniquenes, him getting hugged by them represents him going at peace with his sister once again. Why we see in Quentins view signs that specifiaclly have him is because it represents that the cult hates Quentin and doesnt want him going anywhere, and Quentin took that at everyone in the town hating him. Because well even the mayor of the town is part of the cult. And you caould say that Quentin found his sister and they didnt finish it, or he died at peace.

im still not sure on that part yet.

or maybe he found out she died idk.

[tardy lintel]

what has hello neighbor turned into 💔

[dusty trench]

HE sandbox part 2. A little bit before the HN2 Peterson boss, the kids do end uo encountering the guest. We get hints at this because through out the escape journey, we see more representations of the guest on drawings, and nore stuff of mayak, storms, and clock breaking which is like breaking free from the loop. I think that Mr. Peterson caused a storm after the HN2 peterson boss because in GN2 where he also causes a storm, we know that he caused it becaue he lost everything. And that the reat of it was Aaron. The cult took him away so Peterson caused a storm on the town which in HN2, we see photos of the town ruined and even Petersons house destoyed. I believe his house did get destroyed during this storm. But what Quentin and the kids were doing, it stopped. And we know that the more Peterson runs away from his problems and deosnt face them, they always come back to him. And when they do he becomes more derranged. His main representation of hos problems being the guest. We see through out HE that he is building a contraption that when its being built, we see the sind blowing faster. We see this especailly in the train boss with that windmill contraption and in the spider boss. And in secret neighbor in brawl, one of the brawl maps is Mr Petersons house destroyed. And oustid ethe map we see newspapers talking about hurricaines and storms and all those posters look older. I believe that that is the after math of the storm which the kids and even what quentin was going through, caused it to stop. And thats when we get into GN2.

[dusty trench]

GN2. In GN2 we follow pris and regina who are step sisters. Pris is always worried about her sister because she always pretends that her dog flan, is still alive and around. She lost flan at a young age and flan was one of her bestfriends in her eyes. They have to evacuate while their parents are gone becaue of a storm. And they are aware of raven brooks kinda becaue they live close to it. While they are driving even before they make it into town, the guest is stalking them. And then the guest causes them to crash which has pris break her hand. Whil wlaking forward to get away from a flood which took over their car, they stumble across a golden apple truck that Mr Peterson is driving who they just met and he pffers to take them to the gas station. They are suspicious of him becaue if weird things that they saw in the truck but they make it to the location safe whole Peterson was getting gas. While they are in their, regina gets into an argument with pris because pris said that her dog isnt alive. Regina runs away and gets into the vack of the truck and moves stuff around and she finds a red glowing light like a portal which takes her to a place full of lost stuff and then a picture of her dog which gets snatched by the guest who we see take the form of pris to get into reginas head and then someone tells her to wake up and that person is peterson. She is in the weather station and tied up. She gets into an argument with him and then she says taht she is the raven man and she felt like she seen a bird creature stalking them that looked familiar. This proves that the raven man tale is known a little but wven outside of raven brooks. Now why we seen regina “go theough a portal,” is because thats actually her mind portraying everything in the way everyone portrays the guest. Why we see stuff like the doll and stuff from letersons house is because in the back of that truck and when they were in the front, she seen the doll and saw that as something peterson lost.

and afterwards she figures out that he is causing the storm so she convinces him to go back down and stop the storm by deactivating the power. When he goes down there, we see the guest apear and start attacking theodore. I believe that this is peterson having a mental fight with the guest and himself. Ill explain what I mean in a bit. Meanwhile pris meets up with a lady who helps her to get oustide of the flood, and pris sees a dog that looks exactly like flan. And the dog runs to the weather station. And then when pris gets there, she goes into the water becaue peterson is taking too long. And then she gets into a foght with the guest. As soon as she gets back up, what comes out is peterson in the guest cloths attacking them. But then that dog that led pris there attacks neighborlikevisitor. And then the weather machine power goes out. Pris and regina end up going home with their parents and then fire fighters come to blow out the flames. I believe what happened was that because Mr. Peterson has always ran away from his problems instead of facing them, they always come back to him. In his mind, thats the guest. And we see that when he keeps running away, he becomes more twisted. And he becomes a monster, like the guest. Thats what that neighborlikevisitor represents in the canon. Peterson becoming a monster like the guest. And that dog i believe is another thing in their minds. The guest to those people, is a representation of loss, pain, regret, suffering, and sin. And they seen the dog as a way of getting over their and the past and facing the thing that is trying to take everything away. The guest. The dog that they named fran, is in their minds and in their heads, see it as getting over flans death. Mostly to regina. Now after all that, we see pris still awake, and then she gets a text from someone, and they send a pictire of Peterson. When she looks out the window, she sees the guest but then he disapears. Leaving only his shoe.

now we move onto, reset day.

reset day. Piper, Delia, and their mom, move into their aunts old town that they never met or knew about named Ms. Tillman. When they move in the keep seeing marks of a raven figure called the raven man and they try to leave, but they cant because of money reasons. And when they go into the town, they meet these two kids who are the kids of enzo. And their father went missing and was kidnapped by the guest. Rn they are being raised by their aunt Maritza. And when they meet the espisito family, they realize that they are in a time loop being constructed by the guest. But when they encounter the guest, they always see a moustache under the beak because its actually that they are seeing Peterson as guest. And they portray him as a supernatural creature. This is because of them learning about the tale and that they are in a time loop. During this they slowly learn about the past of raven brooks including nicky and aaron a little bit. And they find a secret office in Ms. Tillmans house which they are living in rn. And then why they actually portray the petersons house as cursed or in a way thats a little bit like monster house is becaue they even learned about Mr. Peterson and his park disasters. So they see that area in their minds as a haunted cursed area, since the town has their rumors and tales of the place, Theo, and a hidden history overtime leaving a mysterious dark tale behind. The house could’ve been rebuilt a bit, but is still destroyed as it’s hollow and looks old. Doesn’t mean that someone isn’t living there, or could’ve rebuilt it partially. After that their mom leaves to go somewhere but they dont realize how long she has been gone so they text someone who was last with her when ahe is coming back home but that oerson says that she left 5 hours ago. Then the guest messages her phone saying where are you going to run now little rabbit. And then a picture of Mr. Peterson gets sent to her.

Act 2. Now why am i just talking about act 2. Well, its actually because nikita said that act 2 is like a distorted version of what actually happened portrayed in nickys mind. So sometime during this, its either Nicky while hes in the insane asylumn that he got taken away to, or when hes an adult and before we see him waking uo panicking.

Act3/Finale, self therapy. Nicky gets an eviction notice for his apartment and he trys to find other places to live, the ceapest place is raven brooks so he ahs no choice but to move their back into his childhood home. When he goes in, he sees the town in complete shambles. And Petersons house burned to the ground. When hes their he sees the thing everywhere ao he runs away back to his house. He keeps seeing the thing and then he rest. Now in act 3/finale, its not really just a dream, its more of nicky coping with his trauma. And in the finale, we see him get bigger than his to stand taller to the thing that the thing explodes which represents him finally getting over his fears. We see a room with peterson blocking a door heavily, and the thing is ine the ither side which represents Peterson locking his fears away instead of facing them like nicky. After wards in HND which is Nicky relearning stuff from his past and even discovering new stuff taht he never knew to catch uo on what happend to the town.

and thats all I have for now. Leave your thoughts on my timeline based on the things we have rn.

[ripe berry]

I'd say great timeline
one thing I'd like to add is that the HN1 Nightmare Sequences (technically) occur when Nicky's an adult but before Act 3 because Nikita said it's meant to be like "As an adult Nicky is realizing the Neighbor's story" or something
https://youtu.be/Of1fZh4aliE?t=6465

[little lodge]

That makes sense, I was always confused about how child Nicky was having nightmares of himself as an adult discovering the Neighbour's story during Act 1 and Act 2.

[still ermine]

i have a theory

hn1 song - "alone with you" hn2 song - "Still alone with you"

by jt

meaning

the songs are linked

who noes

toes woo noes

[dusty trench]

oh yeah. I didnt include the nightmare squences and only act 2 as a distorted memory, act 3/finale being the self therapy segment. But your right, the nightmare sequences is nicky fully remembering petersons story. And HND while i guess you could say technically being the mobile expansion to HN1 in terms of story is nicky trying ti remember fully what happened in the past and even discover new things like what followed afterwards, and what happened before.

[ripe berry]

there's really only a few spots now that show any timeline problems that haven't been accounted for in your theory:
Secret Neighbor
and the HN2 Back to School DLC

[eager island]

sn is before hnvr

its kids planning rescue nicky

[ripe berry]

(Late Fees has so little lore it can't affect much)

[eager island]

and back to school is probably somewhere before hn2 intros post timeskip

[ripe berry]

if only it were that simple

in Back to School Quentin's still digging into Nicky's case... (the Intros that were added in Patch 9 prove this)

he's not in HN2 Intro

this means Back to School is BEFORE the HN2 Intro

also has to be before AS S2 Ep. 3 because uh-
logic

but the School is clearly open between S1 Ep. 3 and S2 Ep. 7 and only makes sense to close AFTER that

so then why is it Closed in Back to School (it's clearly the same school in AS they changed it to look more like the HN2 DLC School)

and Quentin being in SN complicates things due to AS but can still technically work

[ripe berry]

If I had to guess you put SN after HE Sandbox but before Reset Day?

[ripe berry]

OMG WAIT
If Hello Engineer is the last time we see Mr. Peterson before GN2
That's why he's driving a Golden Apple Amusement Park Truck
He JUST came from the GAAP

[ripe berry]

and by Brawl Mode Map you mean this one right?

[dusty trench]

yes

[dusty trench]

what about late fees?

also I didnt mention the dlcs and pnly wuentin entering a little bit after nickys kidnapping before the escape. I seen that as the dlcs starting since they are obviously befire quentin gets clocked in the head.

[ripe berry]

(Left is Back to School, Right is Late Fees)

[dusty trench]

also not really secret neighbor after HE sandbox. Secret neighbor the game, mostly in the rocket event shows the planning phases for the kids (also rocket event kinda hints at HE sandbox escape ending). The tv series shows the kids in season 2 mostly maritza getting manipulated by the cult, and trinity becoming more obsessed and twisted. And brawl is after HE sandbox.

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[dusty trench]

i played the dlcs lol

[dusty trench]

oh okay so its like, during season 2 then. Alr.

[ripe berry]

oh lol

[ripe berry]

yeah
right around the time Quentin moves into Raven Brooks

also dunno if you know this but
https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives
Password
"HATCHERYWINGATE"
has some more background lore

[dusty trench]

oh i conpletley forgot about that site.

I believe that is Quentin discovering that past aswell as trying to discorver the town folks like peterson as a kid, and the missing journalist. So i believe this is during HN2.

[ripe berry]

the Missing Journalist in question is the reason Quentin's sent to RB btw (decription from Xbox/Playstation Community Page (sorry for low quality))

[ripe berry]

yeah makes sense

[dusty trench]

yes

[ripe berry]

especially when mixed with where the website originally came from (packages sent to ytbers)
(First result I found of what I'm referring to)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaV5kqN8Zgo

[dusty trench]

Also speaking if the missing journalist, aka the man on the hidden missing posters, and the guy in the photo with otto, and the man in those sound tapes if you play them in reverse. I believe the man in the hat is him.

[dusty trench]

yeah ither youtuber git this sent to them aswell

[ripe berry]

ah yes, the common belief in the fandom

afk

[dusty trench]

why I say that MITH is him is because, in secret neighbor in the event trphy and in the badge that has him, and even in the loading screen where it gives some lore, they keep saying that he might be an investigator or reporter who wwnt missing. They even mention that some fans of HN believe him to be missing journalist so they know this theory. And MITH is also referenced in HE on those drawings and grapheti arts you see in game. Not only is he referenced in there, but he is also refernced in search and rescue, you can find his hat and trench coat. And even in HND and when it used to be a HN1 mobile expansion, yiu can also find his hat and trench coat. And well he is also in AS in season 2 episode 4 in the shot of delro ly looking at Ottos house. And well he is also in, HN2. You can find in the forest area a picture of him. And you can find his hat on top of the church aswell as his shoes, aswell his trench coat somewhere in im aware. And he was in the gane with full model in a grave. In the hotfix, they removed his full model and instead, its has a news screen that blurry, and a bunvh of newspapers and coffee cups, and you can see his shoes (aswell as beatrix missing poster). And in HN2 their are sound tapes. And when yiu play them in reverse in a certain combo, you can here a man sometimes breathing heavily and you can hear papers flipping and someyimes frantically. And one of them yiu can hear a creeking sound and him souning relieved like he just sat down, and a metal thing that sounds like a plate, and you can see hear him taking photos of the guest but the guest sounds far away. Its like the chair, plate, and the hat we see on the top of the church. So thats why I believe they turned MITH into Missing Journalist.

Now, I did see another theory saying that Missing Journalist is MITH, but the true identity is norman darby from Aaron trilogy. I mean they are both missing reporters who became hidden and started investigating themselves. But im not sold on that theory because we dont know alot about norman so I dont count that one yet.

[eager island]

theres 2 choice about him

1 - he kidnapped by forest protectors

2 - he learned too much and hid from the town because he couldn't trust anyone and he became "Man in The Hat"

[dusty trench]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

I believe its both. He became MITH because he knew too much and didnt trust the town, but then while investigating as MITH he was caught and kidnapped by the cult because he knew too much. Either he died, is being enslaved, or escaped. Who knows.

[ripe berry]

only things I'll mention is MitH is in S2 Ep. 4 of AS by Otto's House

and MitH's hat's on the way up the Church in Patch 9

[dusty trench]

yeah i said both up bove in my recents paragraphs

just me expalining why I think Missing journalist is MITH.

[ripe berry]

sorry
wasn't at that part yet when I sent that

[dusty trench]

Oh its fine

[ripe berry]

all I'll say is;
Congrats, I think you're the closest anyone has gotten to 100% solving the HN Lore thus far

[dusty trench]

Thank you 🙏. That actually means alot.

Also funny thing the vandals were referneced in hello engineer on those grafiti arts you see through out the game, some of them have the original vandal mask and usually they are portrayed by fire art or are in destroyed like locations in the game.

[dusty trench]

I dont see SN as one event in the games story. We clearly see from search and rescue, AS, and HE is has multiple elements theough out the timeline. Wuentin being in SN is representation of when they first meet him in season 2. But the back to school situation is a little weird rn but ill keep thinking. At least late fees makes sense.

[willow depot]

Honestly really hate the assumption that SN is the rescue squad playing pretend in the backyard with S&R actually being what happened

Like dude that's such a silly way to "incorporate" SN

[dusty trench]

Rn what I can make as a theory is that maybe they closed the school after nickys kidnapping. Because we see that on Quentins investigation journal, we see that nicky is on their labled as missing. Probably since nicky just disapeared, after a while when things got strange, they ended uo closing the schoolto reassure student safety while the authorities investigate. And one of those investigators is Quentin who joined shortly after Nickys disapearence (or a little before since he is their because of missing journalist and hes been missing for a while). And probably the why it closed is because he heard about a fire that happened and wanted to investigate more on how it happened and what or, who caused it. Because in the dlc we do get some hints of fires but not alot.

[dusty trench]

yeah it is silly, but I dont really see it that way fully. I see it as more of them reflecting on what has happened in the past and making light out of it so they can get over the darkness. We see this elemented in HE very clearly.

[willow depot]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

And at this point from the amount of info we got from AS and even the books about the rescue squad, its safe to say that secret neighbor just being like a traitor is mostly a gameplay gimick for the cat and mouse chase (obviously but im talking lore here). I say this because we really have to think like, secret neighbor. And Maritza with her “betrayal” had a reason to. Because she was scared. And we know that Ivan experienced something with Peterson that he doesnt want to speak about. And Trinity with her obsessions and secrets kinda betrayed the group aswel in season 2, but not in the same way Maritza did. And we know that Enzo has secrets too because hes been sneaking around even before he was portrayed to have joined the squad in AS because he was sneaking into Ottos. And delroy aswell because why was he even down there in the tunnels sneaking around, what does he need to investigate. He was portrayed as joining the squad in season 2. And we have yet to know fully about Finch other than she is just, toxic. Why I am bronging this up is because we clearly see the elements of getting over your fears and loss, pain, regret, suffering, and sin represented in symbolic ways through out the timeline. And from Nikita and Alex saying stuff like perspective is true, because we really have to think about what the characters have experienced aswell as their mental state, and how does their minds portray it.

[willow depot]

Wise observations

[willow depot]

The whole traitor thing IS a gameplay gimmick, iirc originally it was a fantasy game about a bunch of folks collecting ingredients for some magic pot around a castle while a wizard shapeshifts into one of them and etc, that was before tinyBuild bought the game out or something and made it Hello Neighbor themed

[dusty trench]

yeah

Im suprised archivist found that original prototype

[willow depot]

Kinda wish we got something more like RBO because honestly in retrospective the HN gimmicks feel a bit enforced

[dusty trench]

exactly

RBO is like perfect HN multiplayer

it is HN multiplayer

[willow depot]

RBO actually had like

Item purposes

[dusty trench]

I made some suggestions to make a more hello neighbor like mode for both SN and HE. It was a little more like HN3 but still had breaking and entering stuff that felt like a HN multiplayer

and in my mode concopt there was pvp aswell

my concept was that it would be separte from main mode snd brawl and be something new

with brand new maps and all, and there bigger.

[willow depot]

Schweet

[eager island]

not exactly

hologryph left the development of BaM because tB wanted to work with them as an assistant team on Party Hard 2, and since hologryph got good marks on Party Hard 2, BaM became a tB project

then it evolved to SN

and in 2020 or 2021 tB bought them

[willow depot]

Fair

[eager island]

its sort of off topic but you got the point

[willow depot]

Yeah

My point is that it was a non-HN related project that eventually just became one

[eager island]

yea

[dusty trench]

I didnt even know it was specific like that lol

[willow depot]

Nikita wanted it to be more open with players having their own houses and stealing stuff from each other but like

I think it'd be fine just being "raid this one mansion/defend this one mansion"

[dusty trench]

yeah, I feel like it coulve had an mmo like mode thats separate, or a mode like minecraft where you can start a world with your friends.

[dusty trench]

or exactly like this

[eager island]

i mean it would be boring after few hours

[willow depot]

I can see the reasoning behind it being "SN all over again" but still, it's just kinda better gameplay concept wise

[willow depot]

Same with SN

[eager island]

not a big fan of sn

so same

[dusty trench]

kinda like multiple modes.

1. A mode where your either defeneding or intruding like RBO prototype. It can be pvp or pve

2. Mmo open map world. You can rob houses by other players and have bits that walk around and players. You can activate if you wnat it so players can rob you even if your offline, or turn that off.

3. A minecraft like mode where you can start a world with you and your friends, and it would have like differnet path ways to certain objectives you can choose to do or not.

[willow depot]

Yae

[dusty trench]

4. A creative mode. A mode where you can do what yiu wnat with your friends or yourself.

And like, randomly generated maps for the minecraft like mode. And perceduarlly generated maps for the protect or defend mode (creative too if you want).

also for this I would like it if you instead could choose to play as characters liek jacob and Iris and cutomize them. And you can also choose you create your own character like the early SN.

I recomend this for not just this finished RBO game concept, but also for SN itself, and HE too.

I miss being able to do that.

[willow depot]

TinyBuild hire this man

[eager island]

ideally fun

but practically

yk

[dusty trench]

yeah

[dusty trench]

I just thought of something, what if the holloween kid missing poster is linked to the guest origin.

We know that this incident is really old because the alien girl is Gerda as a kid. But we are yet to know who the other two children are yet. I wonder who they could be. And also this version of Gerda looks way younger than the one we see in AS. Maybe the pumpkin kid is leslie as a kid. But I dont know whi the guest kid could be yet.

[eager island]

the guest kid WAS ted

but for current lore

[dusty trench]

Heres the news paper if it. And for some reason it had a museum picture attatched to it.

[eager island]

idk

[dusty trench]

I know about that scrapped lore.

[eager island]

the guest kid supposed to be ted's childhood vers but its very probably changed

[dusty trench]

yeah

[eager island]

not NIELSEN 😭

rbb archives sucks

they even wrote Mya as Maya

iirc

[dusty trench]

oh yeah I did see that.

but I mean, it still gave some lore. But had alot of mispelling

That missing poster apears in not just HN2, but also S&R, HE, HND, and SN.

also this missing poster exist, was going to be in HN2. 😭.

idk if its still in HE but i remember seeing it

im pretty sure there was something similar in S&R but i dont think it was a missing poster.

And there is also in secret neighbor in the missing and wanted map, the amusement park, and outside the gates of that brawl map, you can find wanted posters of Mr. Peterson in hidden spots.

Im trying to find it but i cant. It said tanwed instead of wanted

[dusty trench]

OMFG, I finally found it.

[ripe berry]

wait
do you got an image of this post?

the one where tinyBuild confirmed it to be real?

[dusty trench]

I dont, but I will try to find. This account posted on that HN2 alpha live stream that git deleted and Alex said some cryptic stuff in chat basically confirming it as real.

Ill see if anyone has the comments from that stream.

[ripe berry]

!

[dusty trench]

I remember seeing it

[ripe berry]

so Raven Brooks Live Feed?

[dusty trench]

it was that one live stream before they announced the HN2 alpha 1 trailer and it had those cameras switching around showing different lovations pf the map.

[ripe berry]

So Raven Brooks Live Feed, got it.

[dusty trench]

I think I have it saved in a playlist somewhere

hold on

[ripe berry]

it's no use
Raven Brooks Live Feed's now Inaccessible

you can't even view the live chat since that requires replay

[dusty trench]

oh

hold on, ima still try and find something

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AdwyFlj1eA

this is the link

[dusty trench]

https://youtu.be/2UYc01sE5Zc?si=2YxUgQAYz5_J0Fv2

heres the deleted stream

but it doesnt have the comments

I think the comments were shown in another video hold on

[ripe berry]

it's hard to find since "Raven Brooks Live Feed" gets flooded with Welcome to Raven Brooks/AS content rather then the old HN2 Alpha 1 Stream

only other thing I can find is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI8GrPMVZXY

[dusty trench]

Oh dang

[ripe berry]

granted could just be because I'm not searching hard enough

[dusty trench]

It wasnt just in the live stream comments that the guest and alex were speaking, it was also in discord. Pretty sure in that other HN server. The old one.

[ripe berry]

do you remember which chat it was in?
(or was it an exclusive chat for the stream)

ok it must've been stream-exclusive chat

[dusty trench]

idk

[dusty trench]

probably

[ripe berry]

I can't find it by going through Alex's messages in the old server

[dusty trench]

yeah then it mustve been

[ripe berry]

which isn't that hard to believe because this video has evidence of those exclusive (now deleted) chats

[dusty trench]

yeah. Heres one cryptic message that was in announcements

[ripe berry]

it's still there since it's not in a dleted channel

[dusty trench]

yeah

[ripe berry]

dang it why does potentially useful information have to be lost media...

[dusty trench]

idk. Its sad

because like, it could've been in the games or books.

[ripe berry]

especially since the other livestream is so well documented

like all but like 3-4 hours of the entire HN Showcase Pre-Stream still exists on the tinyBuild Youtube Channel, just unlisted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8iml-S-DsA

[eager island]

wheres the other 4 hours though

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3UfsSin0TI

someone documented it

[eager island]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[velvet fossil]

These channels do not exist anymore; when, I arrived they had already been removed

[dusty trench]

I had this one saved

[ripe berry]

makes sense 👍

[dusty trench]

dang

[eager island]

alex vido probably didn't archive the channels

[ripe berry]

just gotta work with what we have I guess... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eager island]

raven brooks live feed: hn3 edition

[ripe berry]

Imma try to track down the other live stream you're talking about
(The One where the Guest mentions Quentin, "lose the coin, lose your life", and the deal with Aaron)

if I had to guess it's one of the AS Season 2 Premieres

[eager island]

he wrote "Aron"

🙏🏻

[eager island]

nope

pretty sure it wasnt in them

but probably in S1 Premieres

[ripe berry]

ok
gonna try S1 full Season Premeire then

[dusty trench]

I think it was those premieres aswell. Or maybe one of the lofi streams with quentin sitting down and it had unused tracks.

ill track them down too

[dusty trench]

I think like S1 episode 6

[ripe berry]

and of course S1 Ep. 6 premiere has no chat replay

from S2 Onwards is when they left Chat Replay on

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I do think I remember seeing the Guest Account in the Ep. 6 premiere too tho

[dusty trench]

ill keep searching

[dusty trench]

I saw the account posting aswell as alex’s crytic messages. I didnt take screenshots until I found this short which had the exact comments from what ever stream it was (I think that it was S1 E6 stream because I cannot find it at all).

[dusty trench]

and i found this

this is the short when I took the screenshots, but i seen them before.

I tried seaching it up multiple times, even the account, but i still couldnt find it.

[ripe berry]

wait

when was that short made

That'll give a hint to which episode they could've been in the chat of

[dusty trench]

I mean it says patch 9 news so i assume around a little bit around october

maybe it was episdode 6

S1

wait hold on

I think october 28th since thats when episode 6 released

and theres a patch 9 teaser at the end of the episode after the credits

[ripe berry]

why can't I find this short?

like I know it exists but I'm trying to search for the uploader to go to it through them and I'm finding nothing

[dusty trench]

Yeah me too. I searched the name on youtube, google. And evne retyped the name of the video with the hashtag.

[fickle garden]

It's not real.

It's fake!

[dusty trench]

umm no, i found it like a long time ago

i took a screenshot of this stuff

[ripe berry]

hold on
search for it through the history thing on Youtube

that isn't perfect but it's the only thing I can think of

[dusty trench]

alr

[fickle garden]

I figured it out.

You're in a coma and this is all a dream.

[dusty trench]

my first search

heres my second. I searched it up multiple times

[fickle garden]

Or they deleted their channel.

[dusty trench]

I hope not

[fickle garden]

They knew too much about patch 9...

[dusty trench]

Hold up ima still try and search

[ripe berry]

maybe include the hashtag to be safe?

because I've experienced a situation where it only shows up when I type in the full title before

[dusty trench]

alr

still, nothing…

why is just a short hidden away from the internet, hidden so well!

its just a short, that I argue has a big secret regarding the lore of Hello neighbor

that even confirms some stuff, in a way

ima still search

[fickle garden]

I searched "TheDrixedmix" on Google and there was no results, they were assassinated...

[dusty trench]

omg

[fickle garden]

Rip...

[dusty trench]

it shouldnt be this hard to find a channel unless they deleted it or changed the name.

[ripe berry]

or I assume that happens because sometimes I'd clearly be able to find a video if I scroll to when I watch it
but then when I try to type the video title to find it easier with the Search History it just isn't there for some reason

that's a real annoying thing in a time like this

since that means having to scroll through everything in your search history just to find a single youtube short from like 2023

[dusty trench]

yeah, it is real annoying

Ima continue this search like tomorrow or something because, I cant find it at all. At least we have the screenshots, and the name of the poster.

or it might be an old name, who knows.

Anyways, is there any other HN lore topics anyone would like to talk about? Or just HN in general, then we can move to #hello-neighbor discussion.

[ripe berry]

just to make sure you're aware
you know about what the Back to School DLC description says right?
about "long forgotten rumors" of kids going missing at the RB Middle School?

[dusty trench]

yeah I know about that

I didnt mention it though

maybe there have been rumors because of nickys disapearence but im not too sure on that becaue quentin only listed nicky as a recent missing kid

and also that just woukdnt make sense

[ripe berry]

my best guess as to what it's referring to is when Gerda and the other two Trick or Treaters went missing

[dusty trench]

basically what I was about to say

Because in the school the missing poster you see the most as you go deeper are gerda and the two others.

mostly

Maybe kids are starting to get curious because they know that nicky was friends with aaron and mya, but the authorities tried write it off as they ran away cause of what Peterson told them. But as far as we know, they never wrote nicky off as he just ran away. So kids astarted to become curious and research long lost missing cases of raven brooks. Like gerda and the two other kids.

[ripe berry]

yeah
that makes sense

[dusty trench]

What I really wonder, is what the hell that weird black goo machine was in late fees in the basement area.

[lavish swan]

Ink

/j

[dusty trench]

wow

i dont know why i didnt think of that lol 😂

im tired

why was the machine so, huge though.

i mean yeah, hello neighbor is cartoony. But like you see that stuff everywhere in the place, even holes outside are literally puddles of that ink. And there is even police caution tape and cones meaning that machine has malfunctioned before and flooded the place. From what i remember, the was something saying ink in wayon croobian in the late fees dlc. Like for the books in the library.

[lavish swan]

Ink machine

[ripe berry]

(Was sending smth unrelated anyways so I'll just do it later)

[ripe berry]

yeah
(perhaps the police tape thing is tying into the RBBArchives Newspaper about the Library?)

[dusty trench]

oh shoot let me go to that.

[ripe berry]

by the way the event in that newspaper isn't the same as the events of Late Fees since the Reporter (Quentin in the case of Late Fees) is there for two different reasons

[dusty trench]

oh

here it is for people who are curious

wait it is kind of related. Read it again

it says loud noises like a machine

coming from the bottum of the library

[ripe berry]

yeah

it's related to the events of Late Fees
but it isn't actually THE events of Late Fees

[dusty trench]

Oh yeah i know that

I thought you meant something else mb

[ripe berry]

also since it talks about a "Archivist being to blame" it's referring to the book that we retrieve in Late Fees being hidden in the Restricted Section causing the thing in the newspaper

[dusty trench]

yeah

[ripe berry]

if I had to guess either the only picture in the Library with a book (that resembles the Archives Book no less) or the Librarian with the Eye Symbol (Cultist Symbol in the context of HN2) on them is who's being referred to here

[dusty trench]

yeah i seen these two on paintings in the gane down in the basement area. Same with 3 more and I think one of them was The HN2 Librarian.

never paid attention to them in detail though

[ripe berry]

there's 5 in total (counting the one of the Current Librarian as of Late Fees)

[dusty trench]

Wait, is your theory that they are all 5 cultist?

or just that one with the eye?

[ripe berry]

na
I think 3 of them aren't but the one with the eye and maybe the current one are

[dusty trench]

Maybe the one with the eye caused the machine to malfunction.

which is why the library is like how it is.

[ripe berry]

hence why the Archives Book gets hidden and they pretend they lost it due to an archivist getting clumsy or smth
no use doing that if your coworkers are all fellow cultists or aren't cultists

[dusty trench]

oh yea

[ripe berry]

meaning no matter if the Eye Librarian or another Librarian hid it
it's logical that because there's a cultist and someone who isn't a cultist both it'd lead to the book being hidden

oh
also apparently the Ink Heart Machine thing is called a Furnace in the game files (Image not mine)

[dusty trench]

yes, this makes sense

[ripe berry]

it also activates in Late Fees because when we take the Archives Book it deactivates a pressure plate that is presumably linked up to the Ink Heart Furnace thing

[dusty trench]

Oh yeah, I remember that when playing the game. And then in the ending The Librarian was pissed at Quentin.

[ripe berry]

throwing a book at him as he flees back into his Van

I mean I'd be upset too if I was in her position

[dusty trench]

Honestly, these theorys and the amount of evidence we are getting for HN2’s lore and just showing how important it actually can be, kinda makes me like the game just a little bit more. Just sad that its not all in the game itself and its in things like S&R, HE, SN, and that website aswell as other about pages. Its like, HN2 throws it in your face, and everything else tells you whats happening around. Even though HN2 was supposed to explain what was happening around raven brooks.

[dusty trench]

yeah

[ripe berry]

yeah...

[dusty trench]

Like Quentin couldve been the one to solve the case. And even couldve found his sister.

[ripe berry]

wait

where was the Police Tape in Late Fees?

[dusty trench]

yes

and even in the school

[ripe berry]

no like
where was it? like which restricted section level?

[dusty trench]

Near the entrance, in the back parts inside and outside the building.

[ripe berry]

ah

[dusty trench]

And even down in the basement in the upper levels.

wait, so that would mean that the police know about that basement room, just not the machine or the book i guess.

[ripe berry]

ok

[ripe berry]

Oh
might as well do this now

Potentially in-universe Steam Post for HN2 Patch 9 (1/2)

(2/2)

it doesn't give much information but I figured I'd send it for completionists sake

[dusty trench]

I feel like what they shoulve done with the website is add an arg in HN2 itself like HN1 but instead its more lore related and took you to this website. Like there would be secret clues that would give you the password. And then maybe, they couldve updated the site a little more to have more lore. Like maybe secret codes in the website or evn secret combinations to hear a secret rocordings that tell more of the missing journalist, the cult, the guest, and Mr. Peterson.

[dusty trench]

yeah

[ripe berry]

wait
so you say at least a part of SN is after Ted's House is an abandoned ruin?
This badge's Design makes sense now

[dusty trench]

yes

like SN brawl yeah

and in reset day we know the house is confirmed to be ruined but they portray kinda like monster house where it has cursed written all over it sometimes because thats piper and delias mindset when they were looking up the past and discovering Theodore and aswell as what happened in the end confirms that even more with the text message and peterson picture.

[dusty trench]

There is an interesting theory about Imbir in hello neighbor that I really think can be valid. The theory is that Imbir is a spy for the forest protectors.

I personally find this to be somewhat true because Alex has been saying that Imbir plays a role in the franchise that theyve hinted at but not fully revealed yet. And Imbir is meant to play a role in the movie aswell. And Gerda is taking care of Imbir mostly in HN2 and she is a cultist. And when we see Imbir innthe games, they are always roaming around and watching everyone. Like in hello engineer, AS, S&R, and in HN2 promotioanl art, Imbir was originally supposed to spawn right next to you when you respawned after getting caught sometimes. And in secret neighbor, we see an Imbir badge with the symbolic third eye.

and in HN2 promotional stuff, we see imbir portrayed with the guest alot. Like in poster we always see the guest being friendly to imbir. And in the guest plush if you open the pouch on the guest bag, you can see imbir in there and when you click it, they meow.

How I see it is that, Imbir only helps the cult or others when they give them something like a treat. And the cult always gives Imbir stuff so thats why we see Imbir comfortable around them alot like the baker and guest. We get hinted at this because everytime Quentin in HN2 gives Imbir a treat, then they will help you. Like in the bakery and the fountain puzzle. And isnt it odd that Imbir just knows where the stuff to the fountain puzzle is. The same room that has the cult plans in the catacombs.

The third eye in the secret neighbor badge representing that Imbir has a hidden eye that still watches everything that goes on.

Idk what role Imbir would play in the movie if it centers around the original game. But we do have to remember that the movie will still focus on nicky, but explore a new angle in his mind that we havent fully seen yet, but rather got hints to. Like in the books, AS, HND, and S&R. Like nicky while in the basement, has discovered and heard about stuff when Peterson was a kid, and even heard stuff about the cult that he doesnt waht to talk about. And maybe, Nicky will find out that Imbir is a spy for the cult. Or that the cult is their owner. Maybe its like when nicky is sneaking around, Imbir is watching and nicky knows that Imbir knows where an item is but isnt going ti help him unless he gives Imbir a treat. And then in the basement when he heres about everything of the past aswell as the cult, then he will find out who really owns Imbir.

[dusty trench]

And I guess mire on that new angle instead if just Imbir and why I say that the books, AS, and aome games give hints at what nicky fully experienced is because in the end of the nicky trilogy, behind the locked door in the chase sequence, the book has it like how we see in act finale of the first game a cardboard cut out of Aaron in a small room, the book has Aaron in that room and he tells nicky what fully happened to mya and why he is locked in the basement, aswell as petersons plan to build an underground amusement park in the basement. And in HND nicky is reflecting mire on what actually happened in the past with Aaron, when he was in the basement, and afterwards. And he discivers new things aswell that we get hints at like the cukt is hinted at, MITH is hinted at, and even storms and luck devices are hinted at aswell as Petersons child hood and mayak is hinted at in HND. We see pictures, newspapers, and hear about somw of this stuff in the bonus achievements which show stuff we havent even seen or fully heard of in the nicky trilogy of books. And in S&R we see more of Aaron in the basement and the guest and cult, aswell as small representations of nicky as a cardboard cut out throughout all of it until we see his model at the end. And in AS we see the mind of people on the outside of nickys mind and viewing him on the outside, and he says stuff like we see he has alot of trauma of the basement and we see more of nicky saying that he heard messed up stuff at petersons in the basemen even stuff from when he was a kid. And we can see that in nickys room, not only is their references to nickys belief in aliens, we see alot of stuff from nickys room in S&R which has drawings showing the thing, Imbir, the forest protectors, and other distorted shadow figures, aswell as they mayak eyes around a drawing if the thing which can represent that his in his mind he feels like his fears are always watching him. Like his main fear in this case is Mr. perterson.

we even see stuff in his room portraying tornados and storms. And in search and rescue, we even see drawings of mayak, the guest, and even the guest drawing from reset day is their too.

I believe that the new angle for the movie that we are going to explore in nickys perspective, is more time with him being in the basment with aaron and learning about stuff from the past like petersons chilhood, mayak, the cult, the guest, and Imbir. And even learning stuff like the storms aswell as the cults plan to give all the kids bad luck by manipualting aaron to help them the cult and then the kids will be freed from petersons hands so they are free to give the rescue squad all the bad luck. And I believe that most pf this stuff will play out in adult nickys flashbacks while he is in the town getting over his fears and understanding more about Mr Peterson Aaron and their perspective on the past so he can get over his fears. Like how act 3/finale was showing nickys mind in more of a gameplay form, the movie will show more of nicky as an adult. Like more of him in the city and getting his apartment, attempting to gi to therapy, him moving into the town. And maybe instead of resting on the couch and then act 3 begins, maybe it can be like nicky exploring his house more and the town and getting used to living their agian and even having flashbacks when hes in certain areas and items from his childhood and remembering them to get over his fears. Like instead of how the games showed it as nicky gaining abilitys like double jumps invisibily and suoer strength, it can be in a more realistic sense that would work better in a movie, be like him exploring his house and the town again, and remembering what happened in the past and getting over them. And even while looking back, will discover Mr Peterson and Aarons perspective of everything. And he will remember mayak, the cult, guest, imbir. And he will use that as an advantage to get over his trauma.

Here is more of my previous thoughts that I still agree with for the movie. They just werent as expanded as I did in this discussion.

[ripe berry]

Would you say this is an accurate timeline or na?

[dusty trench]

YES beutiful

thats spot on to my thoughts on the timeline

[ripe berry]

just wanted to make sure I understand everything properly

[dusty trench]

yeah and youve shown that 👍

[odd gorge]

what happens to neigbor and arron when nicky escapes the house in act 2?

tak

[eager island]

hn2

[odd gorge]

but how

like

the hello neighbor 1 has other city than hello neighbor 2

[eager island]

its same town

[odd gorge]

they are different houses

like way different

[eager island]

nah

[odd gorge]

okay one question

did you ever played hello neighbor?

[eager island]

yep

[odd gorge]

then how do you say

[eager island]

its gameplay element buddy

they cant give you same house over and over again

[odd gorge]

this is not what i meant

i meant that it happned in different city

[vagrant igloo]

its still raven brooks

[eager island]

nah

[vagrant igloo]

all HN games are in raven brooks

[eager island]

hn1 isnt a open world game
hn2 is

[eager island]

correct

[odd gorge]

man whatever

[vagrant igloo]

if they didnt change the town in HN2, the map would've sucked

being an open world game

the hnvr rb was changed to more suit the gameplay

[odd gorge]

the what?

[vagrant igloo]

the hnvr raven brooks

rb

raven brooks

[odd gorge]

what is hnvr

[vagrant igloo]

hello neighbor vr

[odd gorge]

hello neighbor vr

oh

okay

ive never played that

maybe because i dont have vr

and im broke

[vagrant igloo]

neither have i. i would buy the game on the psvr but uh, cough cough, im broke

[odd gorge]

ik this feeling man

anyways

have a nice day

[vagrant igloo]

u 2

[gritty raft]

IT's a masterpiece

[tribal talon]

it is somehow entertaining to see and observe

looked accurte

[eager island]

how do we even know that patch 9 and GN2 are happening at the same time?

[ripe berry]

that meant the PHOTOS from Patch 9 (ie like the one showing Ted's house burning down), NOT Patch 9 itself
but uh
scroll up to a few days before in the chat to see what that's all about

[faint storm]

@odd gorge btw the neighborhoods change because the main character keeps changing so they have to change to fit the style and to keep making the main character live next to Peterson in my opinion also they want to make room for change that's just how I see it

Like as is more connected to secret neighbor and hn2 and hn1 still has connection but not as strong as others so they change it to fit more with the stronger connection how I see it I explained this horribly so people might say I'm wrong but this is another reason how I see it

[marsh idol]

yall i need some clarification

are the dreams in hello neighbor at least half real

like somewhere in HN media, nicky disappeared in a dream, then disappeared in real life

talked with someone saying the shadow man controls all the dreams

if they’re half real, wouldn’t that mean the guest is semi super natural

[dusty trench]

Shadow man aka the thingvin hello neighbor that is the representation of fear and trauma, often portrayed with nicky and a little bit of Mr. Peterson in the end of HN1 in nickys perspective of fears though. So he does not control dreams but rather what we see in HN is the fears infecting the mind. And also, nicky in act 3 of HN wasnt having really a dream, it was the represnetation of nickys self therapy in his mind. Him laying down like that shows that he feels trapped with no where to go. And why the house is back with things exagerated is him thinking deep in his mind and portraying everything how his child mind thought it was. And hin getting the abilitys and the finale shows him growing bigger than his fears. At the first phase its a giant Theo towering over him like how he did as a child, and him growing in phase 2 and protecting his child self is showing that he is stronger and bigger than his fears and the chikd him being protected from the thing shows that his fears are trying to make him think like how he thought as a child and go back to that dark mindset sonce he was kidnapped. It’s his mind portraying his real life perspective, and its very synbolic. Most of want we see in HN is symbolic representation. And its not really dreams, its the characters minds portraying stuff based on what they have experienced. And this ties with what you mentioned about the guest. In the franchise, the guest is known as the raven man who takes things from people that he thinks they dont deserve. He is also greedy and loves to see pain, regret, loss, suffering, and sin. And will attack you. As the stiry of HN goes, more people know about the guest and they see him how he is portrayed in the tale as a suoer natural being. Their minds show it like this because the impact that he has on them, and scary he is too them.

[marsh idol]

h,

dang

i know you’re still typing but when you finish sending it, depends if you included this in it but

nikita and many devs said multiple times that the guest is not supernatural, but if the dreams correlates to reality like in the show the dream literally predicts the future, would that just confirm that he has reality warping abilities

[onyx ivy]

yeah because the guest is my favourite

wait but dark in act 3 neighbor with the sun and moon doors

who was controlling that

no but dark your right

nicky was protecting his younger self from that trauma

and the three super powers

were all based on his fears

fears

but shadow man was shown in all three of the like fear rooms

wait so shadow man is a being based of fear

which makes sense

[dusty trench]

And this can be said for the storms and hurricaines aswell. Because of hiw powerfull they are and hiw they impacted the people, their minds portray it as dark powerful raging force. And in that one scene at the end of GN2, it shiws the guest come put of no where and attcak Peterson, and when he comes out its Theo is the guest costume. What that represents is Mr. Peterson having a mental fight with the guest. And what I mean by that is, you knkw hiw in search and rescue the guest is chasing Theo, and corners him with all his loss, pain, regret, suffering, and sins (represented in the form of missing posters, and amusement park stuff, and the car accident, the roof of the house, and graves). And its in a powerful storm. What that shows is Mr. Peterson running away from his mistakes and fears, instead of facing then himself. And he sees his fears as the guest coming back to haunt him because of Theos rivalry with the cult. And what we see in GN2 is Petersons perspective of when he is going to atope the storm, his fears coming back to him to take him over. Its a mental fight but his mind is showing it as him fighting the guest since thats who he is afraid of. And when Theo comes out of the water and is him in the costume, its his mind portraying it as Theo always running away from his problems and fears instead of facing them, makes him more evil and twisted like the guest. Its not literally him being the guest, its his mind porttaying it as, he is a monster now, like the guest.

[onyx ivy]

oh yeah unrelated but this also happens in the comics

[onyx ivy]

but your right

thats why we see like the missing pictures and him giving up

[dusty trench]

how is it unrelated. Thats totally related.

[dusty trench]

yes

[onyx ivy]

wait are hou a scaler

you

a power scaler

or no?

someone made this

[marsh idol]

dawg

he ain’t no power scaler

🥀

[onyx ivy]

https://www.quora.com/profile/Unknown-Guy-689/Scaling-the-Thing?ch=17&oid=161607777&share=e41b8e5c&srid=ul7hCC&target_type=post

[onyx ivy]

Im just showimg him smth

in novels

it states that it was a dream

instead of a actual

like

representation

[dusty trench]

this is all untrue

[dusty trench]

and Nikita said it wasnt really a dream, its representation of self therapy.

[dusty trench]

and the thing isnt in the novels, except the neighbors notebook.

[onyx ivy]

wait so why were the fear rooms mentioned

[onyx ivy]

do you mind if I have it

its not that I don’t believe y

its just people are like annoying

[dusty trench]

?

[onyx ivy]

wait so in your opinion who is the strongest in hello neighbor

[marsh idol]

wait so are you saying that both the guest and the thing are the same being

or different

[onyx ivy]

different

[dusty trench]

no

[dusty trench]

Yes

they are different

[onyx ivy]

the guest is also more cool

[marsh idol]

so yea the guest being super natural, he can’t be human right

[onyx ivy]

[marsh idol]

he makes caw caw noises

[dusty trench]

he isnt super natural. They even confirmed that when we figure out who it is, it will be crazy.

[marsh idol]

okay so

what you were saying back in the first message

[onyx ivy]

the guest is a curse of mr peterson

[marsh idol]

is that the people of ravenbrooks depicts the guest as a super natural being because of how much they fear him ,is what you’re saying

[onyx ivy]

because of the clothing and crows in the game are bad luck

[dusty trench]

Yes. And also because of their experiences with him. And how their minds portray the tale.

[marsh idol]

a
mm

[onyx ivy]

do you think the guest is franklin

I can call it a mile away

[dusty trench]

If your asking whos stronger, I think guest because in HN2 he is way more brital than what we see of Peterson.

[dusty trench]

no I dont think its franklin.

But then again, I dont know who it could be

[marsh idol]

the guest isnt super natural but hes shown some superhuman strength though right

[onyx ivy]

yes and no

because

quintin made the game

[marsh idol]

oh shit i forgot

[onyx ivy]

if the game was a representation

[dusty trench]

Hes shown him self being really strong

[onyx ivy]

yeah it was

[dusty trench]

Its about the context and certain things being representation

[onyx ivy]

the game was to probably show the encounters with the guest

although he is just probably a chill oragutan

[dusty trench]

wait, what?

[onyx ivy]

wait can someone invite me to hello neighbor server

[onyx ivy]

hello neighbor 1.5

it was all a game

that quintin was making

[dusty trench]

no HN alphas are canon at all to the main game because they are test to the game with an inrelated storyline.

[marsh idol]

what server are you in rn

[onyx ivy]

im saying the one with the ceo

[marsh idol]

???

[onyx ivy]

oh

is this the server

flip

[marsh idol]

dawg

i invited you to it

💔

[marsh idol]

but yes this explains a lot

[dusty trench]

Let me say this though, they take things from alphas and change what they mean. But anything shown in them like the events of quentin turning off tv, are not canon. What I mean by this is things like the faust painting from HN1 alpha 1. Or the eye.

But that doesnt matter since the just arent canon

[dusty trench]

also read this.

[marsh idol]

ah

so this just debunks everything i wss about to say

[dusty trench]

what were you going to say?

[marsh idol]

soemthing about the guest’s body structure being inhuman, having skinny arms and legs but a fat torso and a weirdly shaped head that looks too unnatural to have a human face and head behind that crow mask

but the fact they said that we will be shocked on the reveal of the guest, says i shouldn’t be questioning the guest’s appearance

[dusty trench]

oh then it does debunk

[marsh idol]

sigh

well st least i’m educated

[dusty trench]

yeah

[onyx ivy]

isnt shadowman pysical

because of secret neighbor

[dusty trench]

No. Remember how I said the Thing is a represnetation of fear and trauma and how its mostly portrayed with nicky. What it shows in secret neighbor is the minds of many characters. Excelt nicky. And in AS and books, we see that all the kids have hudt nicky in their own ways. And they seen nickys drawings of the thing. And tgey take that into their own mind aswell. And when the neighbor characters die and it has the thing, its them facing their fears of thise characters. Like the guest, Mr Otto, and Mr. Peterson have all had a role of hurting them and makimg then have their own fears and trauma.

[onyx ivy]

holy, shadowman is so weak now tp think of it

[dusty trench]

cuz be technically just, isnt real. Hes just fears.

Hes a representation in the mind.

[onyx ivy]

wait does the guest have dream manipulation or is that the forest protecters

[dusty trench]

The things we see of the dreams predicting stuff (AS) are connected to the good and bad luck which are from these devices called luck devices (and the golden apple coins in the series which are the cults version of them). Those devices are oart weather detector an have a relation from Mayak/the weather station which was built to a weather station by Roger and Adele Peterson (Theos parents). And the building is connected how the good and bad luck rituals from the cult are made (and something to explain things we dont know).

[dusty trench]

so no they dont have dream manipulation powers, but they do use there good luck bad luck rituals with the devices to make bad things happen to their targets by sabatoging stuff with them.

[onyx ivy]

wait dark what is the weather station

[onyx ivy]

yeah but what is it

does it determine weather does it make weather

[dusty trench]

Roger and Adele are Meteorologist (people who study weather and how it works) and they were trying to investigate the odd weather patterns in raven brooks. And sometime later, a testing on a new machine happened that can make weather (either built by Roger or Adele or Mr. Peterson later on, but we do know it has a connection to ravens and the cult rituals wiith the devices since the devices are also part weather detector, and the ravens weatjer patterns are referenced constantly when we see them circling over tornadoes which when their are bad things the wind usually blows harder and more ravens show up). And then they started to get funded by the ravens society/golden apple corp/ the forest protectors. And then incidents happened where weather storms started to happen in the town. Which led to the storms and hurricaines in raven brooks (in GN2 we even see them make their way out side of town.

[versed yacht]

That message Alex sent is actually (afaik) a reference to a TV show called Lost and is not related to the canon

[dusty trench]

oh I meant to put a pic of Roger and Adele

[dusty trench]

mb

[versed yacht]

He mentioned the show and said people should watch it after that message, and the Dharma Initiative is actually from that TV show

It's fine, just wanted to clarify lol

[dusty trench]

heres the image I meant to send

[willow depot]

oh wait so the station MAKES weather?

kinda heard something like that go around but like, didn't know for sure

[dusty trench]

Yes but its not fully just that og station itself makes storms because, we dont know how it fully works yet. But, heres what we fo have. We see it being experimented with in HE and it being used in GN2 and aswell as it being hinted at in HN2 and S&R, aswell as the Aaron trilogy hinting at it kinda. It was either built by Roger and Adele in the past, or Mr. Peterson in the future. We know that the machines and stuff have a connection to the luck devices since they are part weather detector and when they do their good luck bad luck rituals, there is always a bad weather that rises, like what we read in puzzle master in the aaron trilogy. And their is obviously a device that strays from the weather station that makes storm happen, and the luck devices have a role in that. And well, ravens…

Mb, shouldve been more specific on the weather part.

[willow depot]

thank you!

[dusty trench]

Your welcome! 🙏

[dusty trench]

Whats crazy about this story is that, its more sci fi than anything. Like the “supernatural” with like folk lore and some religious stuff is just symbolic representation of the storyline being shown in how the mind portrays the characters perspective of the events aswell as their emotion and mystery behind all of it. And in real life the human mind is shown to work like that, its just HN shows that alot. And most of this symbolic representation comes from Mr. Petersons investigations and paranoid mental state, and how the vult and guest portray themselves aswell as the tales behind them. Its a kinda crazy to think about because of the things we are shown, but it makes alot of sense. Because anytike when it leans into that “supernatural” aspect, its always when the characters are experiencing fear or something that scares them. But when its the portrayal becoming more sci fi with sci fi elements, it becomes less dark, like we see in HE and SN. This explains alot of what we see of everything in the franchise. And this kinda ties back to how humans really portray stuff or how the mind works. Because even if we know supernatural isnt real, when you have a big fear of something, it haunts you like a demon or evil spirit and can make you do or say things you dont want to. It shows that trickter mindset that characters like the guest and the cult have. Even Mr. Peterson aswell. And it just makes alot of sense and explains the weird stuff we see in this series.

[faint storm]

i see it as hn1 act 1 before as ep 1

[marsh idol]

goodness

extremely knowledgeable in the HN lore i suppose

👍

[ripe berry]

there is one remaining hurdle preventing you from having fully "solved" HN Lore
the dates (and their lack of consistency)
Examples:
GAAP Open Time (Aaron Trilogy) - 1 Day
GAAP Open Time (Nicky Trilogy) - 2 Weeks
HNHS - March 20th-May 3rd (Year unclear, either 1995 or 1996 can work)
Book 1 - August 1995
Book 3/Act 1 - 1996
AS - "A bit later" then 1997
HN2 - 1996

[wicked heath]

I stopped caring about dates

And only bothered with the order of the timeline

[ripe berry]

yeah me too
but technically it is still a existing problem

[violet badger]

Bro this is really cool. I hope the hn devs never drift from the already built up storyline.

[dusty trench]

They arent drifting away. Technically, they are elaborating on it in a way most people dont really expect.

[violet badger]

🔥

[dusty trench]

Yes. I belive that the stuff unknown like Mayak and the weather machine and luck devices aswell as the time loops, more specifically how they work, play a huge role in the dates. But I feel like the perspective symbolic representation can help with the continuity, in terms of figuring out how that technology and time stuff works. And since we know about the perspective mindset and symbolic representation stuff, then that can help us solve on how things work. And the term of Mayak explaing everything can mean the stuff of how the time loops, luck devices, and weather machine work because it all ties to mayak, since thats technically where they are from. And I feel like the perspective continuity stuff with the mind and how they tell it with symbolism are the hints and puzzle peices to figuring out the true secret which is mayak and hiw stuff works (not just symbolism and representation stuff). But how we figure out that secret is figuring out everyones perspective (important characters). Characters like Mr. Peterson, the cult members, and the guest. And those are the most important characters in the story (for cult members its not just specifically each of them but more of them as a group and their plans, aswell as their relation to Theo and Guest). Mr. Peterson holds the secret and is hiding it, and the guest is like the key. But you have to follow him (I dont mean turn evil and join cult I mean figure out his origin since he is like the mysterious secretive character that is hard to get passed or figure out without dying). This is kinda represented threw the follow the crow thing that the series always references. And Petersons story ties into the guest origins, and thats what they have been building up this whole time to reveal stuff relating to mayak, even in AS season 3. And this is meant to cover up alot invluding mayak.

[dusty trench]

Also, I feel like their is something to do with mayak in terms of the strange timeline stuff (the dates). Like for example reset day. In the town the time period and timeline was different than outside of the town, and it was reseting. And their was also weird stuff with norman darby aswell going on in the aaron trilogy with the note that was meant for aaron but landed at the banner 6 months after the events of puzzle master saying, “Dig deep, for the way out. The red key will set you free, when the time comes. Trust Narf.” Narf being Nickys nickname. This is kinda hinting at time but in a way we havent explored yet. And in reset day again Piper found a photo showcasing nicky and aaron as kids (she didnt know who they were yet) but she said there was someone with modern looking cloths that just didnt fit in with the photo who was in the background. I feel like their is something with time that going on to explain the time periods situation. But its just something that hasnt been explored fully yet, which ties to what I wrote right before this message. I seen theories made by people who were confused and to simplify instead if thinking about it, they just said its a whole big time loop with little differences. And while that isnt true, I feel like in the thing explaining the dates their is something to do with time loops and timeline changes. And I think it will also explain the perspective and symbolic representation even more, and explore a new concpet of time that we dont know about yet that still fits in with the current narrative. And this is a concept that has been going around in the fanbase for a while but has been debated heavy because of a lack of evidence or eleboration that just didnt fit the narrative.

But I am not ready to share that theory yet because I feel like I need more evidence and it would complicate things rn by, alot.

[ripe berry]

👍

[rancid minnow]

I figured out the guest might be the teacher from season 1 episode 1 when trinity was in the bathroom the teacher was there and a crow fethar fell out. In season 2 there were multiple guests and they all were people in the masks

That's why the people in hn 2 are very secretive and not to tell the journalist anything

[violet badger]

I thought Aron/Mr Petersons son was the guest? Wasn’t that pretty clear from HNS&R?

Unless I’m remembering wrong

[dusty trench]

Those arent guest, those are another design for the forest protector cult. People who admire the guest mainly the raven man tale is a certain way.

[dusty trench]

You are because HN2 and even that game itself proves wrong. It was like a deal but shown in a symbolic way.

People say it can be a different version if Aaron but there isnt much proof for that. People made that theory without straight forward evidence and it didnt fit into the lore. And just made that “theory” because they were confused about the strange “changes in lore.” But then again, we still dont know whos under the beak. And even if its aaron from another timeline, we font have wnough proof to say that yet.

[violet badger]

Ohhh ok

From now on I’m getting all my info from this guy

He is aura

[gusty flint]

their was a dude named Wilhelm Reich who believed an energy made during a certain action could change weather, cause drought, and believed aliens were spaying it over earth do destroy it, he made a machine called a "cloud buster" that would suck the energy out of the atmosphere and put it in water, creating rain and ending drought, maby the mayak machine does something like that?

[dusty trench]

I actually have that saved in my favorites.

[dusty trench]

Why you remove the mayak machine being able to do something kinda like that?

[gusty flint]

acident

[dusty trench]

oh, alr

[gusty flint]

did u look up that dude?

[dusty trench]

yeah. But it said that I had the cloudbuster thing saved in my favorites

I cant paste the link in here but its the cloudbuster on wikipedia

[gusty flint]

look up that or wilhelm rech

*reich

[dusty trench]

Alr I only looked up cloudbuster.

[gusty flint]

k

[dusty trench]

found his wikipedia page

[gusty flint]

he was weird

*weird

skip ahead a bit

to 1939-1947

or look up images of cloud busters

they are still made today

[dusty trench]

alr

I got this. It was also in the wikipedia.

Honestly wouldnt be suprised if they took inspiration from this. Because they have taken inspiration from other real things to like the mayaks design and the weather control aswell as the weather patterns and how ravens are connected to it and even storms aswell.

[gusty flint]

yep, thats a cloudbuster,

(Go to off topic)

[dusty trench]

alr

This ties in aswell. I remember this video from a long time ago. https://youtu.be/hm1_TfTgUag?si=bxWFhcFoC_UPmwJG

And I remember this one too. https://youtu.be/2jtU1g70ZOM?si=651kE-qCAWvhnxCJ

https://youtu.be/jZGr2hXCq2w?si=VBkWjtd3tvc0lxPO

https://youtu.be/6x-2pokjU0g?si=9hODXoSTVMytSEsY https://youtu.be/1h9Q5CBGJV8?si=3kYw0_OdAyOXkM7e

This can kind of connect to the laser beam we seen at the weather station in AS season 2. And that laser we saw in AS are actually in weather stations are actually real in meteorologic buildings and weather stations (its just not as giant).

And HN does take inspiration from real life scientific facts about things like weather, ravens, and even we see in the franchise inspiration from weather control.

And people often connect the weather and weather patterns aswell as storms and hurricaines and ravens and even people have the beleif that it has connections to life and death which can connect to the cults beliefs. And how greedy they are. They experimenting with Roger and Adele so they can get closer to figuring out the secrets of the world, and even the universe. But they became psychotic, and chose to go down a darker path of taking control all this stuff and becoming greedy. Experimenting with life and modifying the weather in bad ways. Which is even making them believe things, that arent true (the raven man and other demonic stuff). And becoming obsessed which made them more evil, and become followers of what they believed was right. And they became mudurers. Going down a a dark, greedy, manipulative path, so they can have what they want. There beliefs in stuff like the raven man and other folk lore symbols made them want to keep stiving to go down this path.

[dusty trench]

This makes the forest protectors the greedy, manipulative, blood thirsty followers, who make any excuse and to make themselves believe what they are doing is right. And do anything to make sure theg dont get caught. Following evil (the guest) and trying to be like what they worship. They do this just to get what they want, what they think they deserve. Taking stuff from people just to have some fame, when the people they stole from can actually have benefit from it. Making others suffer from pain, loss, regret, and sin, so they can have what they want. And what they want, is control. Because they are trying to play god.

[shell gull]

Really interesting connection and theory, haven’t talked lore in a long while here, but cool to come back to something intriguing.

@polar epoch It isn’t confirmed, but it’s very likely that Quentin was killed at the end by The Cult, knowing the whole plot of HN2 when looking into it, such as the MJ/MITH parallel with Quentin, it’s very implied that Quentin met a unfair fate for his actions.

[safe charm]

Its sad Quentin story kinda mean’t nothing lol

In the large schem of Things

[shell gull]

In a way yeah.

But that’s kinda the beauty of it people miss.

Trust me over analyzing such little of the story does a perspective of it on you.

[shell gull]

It’s a “All that work for nothing in return” scenario that Quentin had.

[polar epoch]

The original plan that the devs would have planned would have been that Quintin would get up after the guest removes the rope and explores the sewage, until he finds the map that is under the foundation

and escape

[shell gull]

Right the story expansion, but that was cancelled and we’ve kept the same ending meaning the same story.

[safe charm]

I feel like the story expansion might not Always been planned i Think They realized People would be pissed so They planned it

[shell gull]

Yeah it was definitely a mixed thing, especially since Patch 9 was supposed to be the expansion but got changed because of possible “AS Spoilers”

[safe charm]

Jay Said patch 9 was the basically everything we saw reworked into the forest level

Which is intresting

[shell gull]

Hmm.

[polar epoch]

Sadly the expansion did not happen but if it did then Quintin would have escaped and found the area where the church and sawmill would be again captured by the cultist

[safe charm]

Well but i don’t Think that’s Canon now

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

Patch 9 in a way would work but the ending makes no sense apart of the main HN2 story other than a sub plot of Ted’s grief.

[polar epoch]

I really hope we get some answers in HN3 about Quintin’s fate

[safe charm]

Dead

I Think

[shell gull]

Based off of what we know, and assuming that he fully paralleled MJ/MITH, then he’d be dead.

[polar epoch]

What was the full for of MJ

[safe charm]

Also i still don’t get the deal for the guest

Anymore

[shell gull]

Wdym

[shell gull]

I just don’t bother paying attention to it rn

[polar epoch]

You wrote MJ/MITH so what is the full form

[safe charm]

Still hope hnvr guest matters

Its just odd how alex still says AS is the defacto lore

When Nikita says everything is canon

[shell gull]

Oh…well they are both the same character and we don’t have an actual name of his outside of those two hiatuses, also because people forget they are supposed to be the same character.

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s weird ever since AS it’s felt like multiple writers fighting over the pen on things.

[safe charm]

Problaby cause it is lol

I wouldn’t be suprised

[shell gull]

Yeah…

Anyways gtg 👋

[safe charm]

Bye

[polar epoch]

Bye

One major thing is that I really hope not, is that HN3 will be the finale

[willow depot]

Define "the finale"

[polar epoch]

The final game

[willow depot]

Don't think so

[polar epoch]

I hope so

[willow depot]

At the very least there is still a HN1 remake to go about

Unless that was just Diaries

[polar epoch]

There is a plan for the remake

The Diaries game is separate

[willow depot]

Really hope they'll bring back "offline mode" from earliest stages of HN1 development (specifically Pre-Alpha because it was the only one to actually interact with the house in terms of furniture placement and whatnot)

Box-barricaded hallways were peak...

[willow depot]

I dunno can you really say that MITH is actually dead

TO be fair though, I THINK I remember seeing a chunk of blood ontop of the cemetery church?

Whatever the thing on the plate is meant to be

[forest current]

this was his last meal before he was. you know.

[willow depot]

What even IS that

[willow depot]

eugh from this screenshot alone that looks like a flesh chunk or something

[shell gull]

It seems very likely, especially with his body (even when they sealed the coffin) being in the grave.

[dusty trench]

You should go up and read the last discussions because, I think there is some things that fans or atleast people interested in the lore should hear.

@shell gull start from here back down here. And you might want to read this stuff across multiple days because, its A LOT.

[shell gull]

Yeah I’ll look into it.

[dusty trench]

Whats I kinda realized is this can show a little bit of how things in mayak work (and why the comors mostly portrayed are green and purple with that stuff lol). Since we know that the weather control and luck devices aswell as the weather patterns with the ravens stray from mayak. But there is still something about time and the time loops that need to be discovered, specifically how they work.

We just need to get clues from the characters perspectives and minds to figure that out. Like the guest.

[dusty trench]

Which refers back to what I said up here about how perspective connects to how things function. Mostly with the important characters.

[willow depot]

True

[dusty trench]

Heres more on how things in mayak work. https://youtu.be/YnVnFS_KB80?si=pBdufVYZoGKyGqf8 https://youtu.be/HafPK4CV3OU?si=qnl4vxfUkgTZPI_q
https://youtu.be/2JIOZxTVpzs?si=faKET6eQVHZH28eo https://youtu.be/JN14qvtiJqw?si=GgC24y8fUKFfmd1i

[dusty trench]

How this can tie into the discussion is because the luck devices are weather detecting devices. And people like the forest protectors use them to detect the weather so they can use the other device stuff like what we see in the videos Ive sent to make a storm happen and then control it so sabotoge stuff and make bad things happen. And making bad things hapoen like there being lightning strike to hit specific things like electric poles to explode stuff or even just hit the thing they want to explode or cause mayhem at with lightning which can also cause fires. And so they can make areas floods with hella rain. And the reason why there is ravens during these is because ravens follow the weather patterns through the magentic fields so they can get to a destination. And the cult will take care if the ravens and gain their trust and go as far as dressing like them to gain more trust. So when the cult is modifying the weather patterns, the ravens will follow which is also why we see them during this stuff all the time, and even circling over the tornados. And the cult portrays themselves in desing like the suits and the device style and even calling it a luck device and influence the ravens aswell is so the can have mkre power than people like Mr. Peterson or the rescue squad etc. What I mean by that is that they portray themselves as “super natural” so they can get into peoples heads more and make them scared and have fear of them which is kinda why the guest is portrayed the way he is in the characters minds, and even why the kids say that they are like supernatural freaks and say its magic. And this can also tie into why the game is super symbolic with its story telling ad if its like suoer natural but its actually of how the mind is portraying the characters persoective. And mayak having that desing can also tie in assell and why its super important because, thats what this is all about.

[safe charm]

I really really still hope hn3 Either is directly connected to reset day or at least take some influence from it

[dusty trench]

And also adding onto this is the meaning behind the red eyed ravens and them watching with evil eyes (like the one in AS s2 e1). What the ravens watching means is another symbolic thing. Basically like how I said about hiw the cy influences the ravens to be on their side and even training them ties into this because its another thing of portrayal because like hiw I said the cult portraying themself as being “supernatural” to have a bigger influence even with the ravens can also be that the ravens representing bad luck and omens and being around when bad things happen. Which the ravens watching with evil eyes is another symbolic thing showing that influence, and representing the story.

[dusty trench]

And also speaking of ravens again, the follow the ravens thing thats in the games and through out the franchise such as, when quenting is going tk the museum after a level or going tk a new location for the first time theres ravens in his trail guiding him there or even when he loses an item theres ravens over it to tell yiu thats where it is. Or in S&R when in every nightmare stiry sequence befure getting captured by Theo always has ravens guiding you and even shows the raven guest transform animation. Or even in H&S when you click ti get sent to spawn if your stuck, a raven picks takes you there. Or even the crow marks the key in SN. What that represents is to keep going and keep following to see what happens and discover the story. Now to elaborate on that is when I was talking ahout the evil eyed ravens and how they get influenced to be at those areas is because the term follow the raven is also another thing from folklores. In certain culture the term follow the raven can either lead to a fortune or misfortune. Like either your death, making you do something bad to influence yourself, or lead you to a truth that can either be good or bad. Nd while lots if that is a gameplay gimick, its also part if the story. Like Mya got led to her death, and when we lose an item or follow a trail, its the ravens guiding us. Or when the kids were investigating the cult they learned way more.

Like Mr. Peterson is the lock, hiding the secret away. The ravens, the cult, and mainly the guest are the key that you have to find by following it to get passed so you can discover the secret to reveal everything which is, Mayak.

[dusty trench]

This refers back to this aswell.

[gusty flint]

dang, we really cooked here

[ripe berry]

wait so-
are you saying that Roger and Adelle in a way found the Forest Protector Cult?

[ripe berry]

I know this probably doesn't seem remotely coherent but... (partially related to the above message I sent)

it started as "easy proof that the events at the Mayak caused the modern Forest Protector Cult's forming"
and ended up also grouping in
"Almost every depiction of this event has key ties to the Guest Character within the story it was trying to tell at the time"

[ripe berry]

and also
HGP Ride
HN2A1.5
Terrible Storm Strikes
and AS S2 Ep. 1 Intro are all different developmental versions of the exact same event in the timeline (or if Terrible Storm Strikes and AS S2 Ep. 1 are two different events they both split off from what was the same exact event at some point in development)

[dusty trench]

can you send the discord messages and the youtube timeframes separatly because its hard to see what they are saying.

[dusty trench]

yea kinda. Like they have a relation to how it turned into the cult we see today.

[stiff spire]

maybe they helped create a foundation for the cult

[dusty trench]

Yeah. And this kind proves that they already planned some kind of terrible storm strike and the guest origin to be in HN2.

[dusty trench]

Yeah kinda what I was going for.

[stiff spire]

do you think it could possibly tie into their strange disappearances

I think they did something in mayak iirc and went missing afterwards idk its been a while since I read the books

[dusty trench]

Because we know that they were getting funded by the golden apple corporation and ravens society and teamed up. And the Aaron trogy hints at them playing a dark role behind the scenes with teh cult.

[dusty trench]

Yes I do think that.

[stiff spire]

interesting

[dusty trench]

Aaron trilogy hints at it.

[ripe berry]

Discord message links:
#old-rbo-discussion message
#old-rbo-discussion message
#hello-neighbor message

[dusty trench]

Thanks

[dusty trench]

Oh it says I dint have access to two of them.

[ripe berry]

id:customize

[dusty trench]

only the one with the guest origin being mentioned

[ripe berry]

Archive Role

[ripe berry]

that'll let you see the other two messages I linked

Youtube Link (the thing to the left of it is just edited together images from the Transcript of this part of the video):
https://youtu.be/Of1fZh4aliE?t=9143

[dusty trench]

Alr

[ripe berry]

(This is discussing HN2A1.5 plotline)

[dusty trench]

Yeah I watched it

And I can see messages now in photo

And now I can see the messages in discord now for some reason lol 😂

[dusty trench]

But yes, I think that event of the storm strike is related to the guest origin.

Or like a build up to the character.

[dusty trench]

And the modern cult forming.

[ripe berry]

yeah
it's clear they kept that consistent all throughout development

(I know Nikita said not to mix what something was in development with what it currently is but it's clear the basics at least stayed consistent with the event in every depiction)

[dusty trench]

And also something interesting in AS season 2 is when Mr. Peterson gets mad and kinda emotional he says, “I started this, NOW LET ME FINISH IT!” Kinda implies something we didnt get to see in season 2. Like he did something he regrets and keeps running from which caused the events of the future. Like how I said in Theos mind and perspective, the guest and cult are like his problems of the past coming back to him. And he keeps running and locking it away.

[ripe berry]

(The message of Nikita saying this: #old-rbo-discussion message )

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[dusty trench]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

not to mention Alex explictly said the Mayak Weather Station is "where it all starts"

[ripe berry]

(#hello-neighbor message )

[dusty trench]

Yeah. And the guest origin is being explored in AS especailly in season 3 and the finale is at mayak, which reveals everything.

[dusty trench]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

Which kinda refers back to what I said up here aswell.

[ripe berry]

it's all connects together 👍

[dusty trench]

Yeah

[dusty trench]

I really cant wait for the full guest origin reveal and what Mr Peterson did to get tied into it In season 3.

[dusty trench]

Also, who do you think the guest is based on all this, and why?

[ripe berry]

well we've got an unfinished Flashback involving Franklin so if anyone's the most likely suspect it'd be him

[dusty trench]

Interesting. I wonder though if it is him, what would be the motivation behind him playing the role of the raven man?

[ripe berry]

also (pointed out by Dizzy)

[dusty trench]

Oh yeah I know that that was a reference to lost and the dharma initiative in that series.

[ripe berry]

pointing out the whole
"Character's Brother ends up in 'source' and becomes [big bad]" part of the plot synopsis

[dusty trench]

Wait I just realized since you said that, what if while referencing lost, he was also hinting at something vegue in the story.

[dusty trench]

And the cult experimenting with life and death with their psychotic beliefs and modifying weather.

Wait, what if they took inspiration from lost in a way.

[ripe berry]

it's possible

[dusty trench]

hmmm

[dusty trench]

And in AS we see Franklin get knocked into the hole which is the laser beam that is used for the weather modification experiment. And we see his body rising up in the beam with the green and purple energy rising and moving rapidly. We even hear Franklins voice kinda and it sounds like hes trying to scream for help but cant cause hes stuck in the laser kinda why his body is like frozen. And his body being shown “glitching” can be from the energy. Maybe, Franklins body was found after that event because the laser shooting up fast and rapidly caused a storm. And maybe the cult got there befire the authorities and took his body and did some convincing to make him join the cult, and asking him questions as to why his body landed there. Maybe saying something like Theo ran away from him and turned his back on him, and Franklin can join the cult and be the towns guest. And maybe them finding his body they thought it was like a sign of like using a vessal to bring back the raven man (since there insane). But really they just gave him the raven man suit so he can be the towns little guest.

And maybe since the cult wanted Aaron to join the cult, that the guest asked Aaron to join the cult. And probably not just to be a member of the cult, but probably to be the towns next guest after Franklin. Like passing it on. Which is why we see them together so symbolically.

Im not sold on this theory yet. But it seems possible. And maybe when Theo said that he started this, and now he can finish it, maybe during the laser beam first rising Franklin coulve been saved by Theo. But he was too scared and ran away. And the cult used that as a tactic to make him play the role of the guest.

[ripe berry]

which could at least partially explain what they mean by

and also why the Diane and Mya Mannequins exist maybe?

[dusty trench]

Yes. And also the cult probably found the belief in giant ravens because in petersons journal, we see the mask are like skulls. And we even see in the investors club room of the past something that says ravens but giant. We even see stuff like this in Petersons house kinda and in S&R, even HE. And they probably got it from folklore and made there mask like skulls to represent the extinction of these non existent creatures that they believed. And giant ravens are actually a real thing in folk lore. They are described as envious, sneaky, and mischevious corvids, and very intelligent. Which kinda describes the guest as in portrayal. And maybe they thought of using a vessal to “bring back these creatures.” And they used Franklin and called it the raven man because it was the vessal that they thought was a chosen one to bring back the guest.

And the next one they wanted after Franklin, is Aaron. Which can kinda explain more of Mr. Peterson crossing him out as an omen. Not like he wants him to be one, but the cult wants to come after him and make him play the raven man, probably cause of what he experienced and how much he knows but gets away with. And explains how they have been mostly playing nice with him and not being as rough like just killing him as they did to Mya and Diane with the devices. And they are also crazy and often play things out like a slasher movie or like its just a joke or a another day in the job situation (cause there insane).

[ripe berry]

yeah

[dusty trench]

Something that needs to be elaborated on in the reveal is the other halloween storm incident. When Gerda and the two others went missing, since thats still canon. Either it was before or after the franklin incident. I think before because that kid Gerda looks younger than the one in AS. And we still dont know who the other two are. And the guest one is really suspicious because what if thats stil Theo. And the pumpkin kid coukd be Leslie. Maybe since we know that Theo was sneaking around in the tunnels and mayak, he probably heard the cult plans of bringing back raven man and believed it cause his parents were there. And then he started soreading the tale of the raven man from the cult and putting them everywhere for the town to see, and even making that design of what he interpreted to be in costume form. And mayeb while sneaking around Theo did something which caused a storm maybe that caused a death. And afterwards, he acted like he wasnt apart it and git away with everything cause he was scared of what was gonna happen. And that caused gerda and the rest to not be friends anymore, and even why Theo was scared of the weather station in AS because he was afraid of another storm attack that could be caused by him. And then maybe when asking frankin questions to make him the guest, they took the costume inspiration from Theos costume design because franklin is his brother, and it can be a tactic to get in Theos head since they hate him.

[dusty trench]

But again, Im not sold on this. But, it seems like it could happen. But I want to wait and see.

[willow depot]

Honestly some things should just be let go off

That incident was a part of a whole other storyline, trying to fit in and recontextualize everything that ever was is just silly

I hope Alex won't go with that route

[dusty trench]

No Im not talking about the alpha 1.5 storyline, Im talking about the storm attack from the HN2 rbb archives website (specifically the terrible storm strikes newspaper if your, confused) which has the gerda being the alien girl and I was theorizing on who the guest costume kid and the pumpkin costume kid could be.

[willow depot]

Yeah well the kids themselves were taken outta alpha 1.5 times, right?

[vagrant igloo]

Guest kid is the neighbor

Pretty sure Nikita said so

[willow depot]

Yup

It's a plot point from old hn2 that fit in there, not anywhere else

Furthermore we already have the equivalent of "The Mayak incident" so whatever happens I really hope the children won't be brought up again

[dusty trench]

Yeah they had an original purpose in that old version of the game. But, they have a canonical purpose in the actual storyline and are related to another storm incident that happened in the past. Gerda is confirmed to be the girl in the alien costume. And the guest kid and pumpkin kid are unkown as of now.

[willow depot]

I think that Guest kid could actually just be Guest

[dusty trench]

Thats referring to unused content.

[vagrant igloo]

Yes I am aware

[willow depot]

I'm just still not much on board with the whole recontexturalizing thing, it just feels... Outta place sometimes, just gotta hope they handle this one better than Beatrix or MITH

[dusty trench]

I said that before as an idea. And when I was talking about those kids, I was referring to ankther theory that was just being talked abiit before I made that message.

[dusty trench]

Oh, I get it. Those characters (or versions of characters) seem out of place as of now and its a little weird to try and fit them and that whole other incident involved with them in the story in a way that makes sense or sounds good, because of how much they were cut in the full game.

[willow depot]

it's especially frustrating how, say I'd still argue that MJ and MITH are seperate people and copium my way into "Mith is still alive"

But Beatrix is just screwed, the grave IS empty whatever it's meant to imply but I really doubt that she'll ever get more than like, a flashback from Quentin's childhood maybe

character entirely eradicated just to be a plot device

[willow depot]

that is still somewhat unrelated, because Quentin was looking for Peterson's kids, not his own long lost sister

Like at this point it's not "can they add x to here?" and more so "should they?"

so yeah that just gives me a bit of paranoia on when they bring back old concepts

[dusty trench]

I see what your saying here. Its obvious with patch 9 and the secret website that they planned for so much in patch 10 (and even the dlc’s) for the story to atleast be shown in a good way (not just AS and other games that just cover HN2 and websites) But it was scrapped because they just had to let it go and so they separted it into a small update, and a secret website. And even extras in some youtube channels like that whole investigation book thing with the sound recordings.

[willow depot]

yah

[dusty trench]

Also I really don’t get what was the point of hiding the identity of the pumkin kid (unless hes the guest and the guest costume kid was meant to trick us lol).

[willow depot]

who knows

I suppose it just makes sense thematically for the guest kid to be...

guest...

[dusty trench]

In my opinion, I feel like after all of the developent hell that went through HN2 inluding not just the main game updates but also the early days, they should just use inspiration from the rbbarchives website and some, things we see in HN2, aswell as games like S&R and HE. And even SN to reveal stuff in AS in a, clear way. Because they basically said a while ago that the answers have technically been in our face the whole time, but they just werent ckear so AS is gonna make it make sense. Which is sad to see but, it makes sense and its honestly the best if they want ti continue that side of the story. And they never even planned to scrap MITH or things like vandals or the halloween kids in HN2 (Beatrix is an odd one because while she wasnt playable for a while, there was always references to her like her van and even her clipboard from HG just shows up randomly in weird areas), it just wasnt in the game the way intended because of Nikita leaving cause of burn out (which is reasonable) and the dev team feeling like they had to rush it out because they thought if they delayed it people would start hating on them. So we just got 9 patches with hotfixes with the 9th one being the story expansion shortend into a small map expansion with just a little more things to than the main map. And thats interesting because they said that patch 9 is a shortend down version of what patch 10 had planned from the start including story.

[willow depot]

truly

[ripe berry]

Random Message
SN's Canonicity according to Alex:
#hello-neighbor message
#hello-neighbor message

[ripe berry]

I mean even in full game for some reason Quentin's Notebook has a sticker of Beatrix's Van

and for some reason a Guest Newspaper from the HN2 Diary Website in it's texture-sheet.

[ripe berry]

(Despite making no sense timeline-wise since Beatrix died as a kid)

[gusty flint]

wydm beatrix

[willow depot]

Heh... Well... Actually... That's where you're wrong... We know Alex is a 500 IQ mastermind since HN1 Alpha 2 console was planned out in detail....... The Beatrix van sticker is clear Beatrix-alive evidence... It's all part of the plan.

[ripe berry]

Na bro this is aschaually Quentin-Timeloop and HG-Canon Evidence

[willow depot]

Truly...

[willow depot]

Now wonder if "the notion that one of the kids is a traitor working w Peterson" is meant to be Trinity or something else

I mean, it HAS got to be Trinity, right?

[ripe berry]

I mean there were kinda two traitors in S2
Trinity worked with Peterson kinda
and Maritza worked with the Culy

[willow depot]

The explanation for this being that Maritza is just a Guest main in SN

[willow depot]

Yeah but comparing this to Alex's words the traitor in question works alongside Peterson specifically

Trinity isn't really willing per say but she's paralleling Theodore and constantly using him for leads

And the rescue squad outright believed that Trinity could be helping him out

[ripe berry]

yeah

[dusty trench]

Yeah. I tried to say something like this before when talking about the kids and SN meaning.

[dusty trench]

Well I didnt say that she died. But the seems like it implies that. Personally I dont really thnk she died as a child. Maybe as an adult mainly because of that sticker. But then again Quentin wasnt really planned to be dead sd far as we know so I dont really think so. And they said that patch 9 is patch 10 put into a map expansion, including the story of patch 10 that was teased.

[dusty trench]

Yes, but all of the kids have secrets that relate to Mr. Peterson in a way. Delroy in the tunnels, what Ivan said. Enzo in the books mainly nicky trilogy implies. And we still have to figure out Finch.

[dawn relic]

why is it so LQ?

[dusty trench]

Also if HG was canon, it would complicate things way more. They probably were planning on incorporating HG elements in HN2 like even Beatrix and Mith (even vandals). But I dont think its out right just canon. Now something weird is that one time somebody asked why was the guest looking scared in prototype and is that gonna be reused as an element in the main canon (it was something similar) and the person I tjink it was Alex or some other employee in this server said patch 10.

[dusty trench]

Yeah thats one implication on why I made my timeline.

[dusty trench]

And even nikita has implied that the stories in the HN2 alphas are very similar to what they were trying to tell in the main. And even Alex has implied too with those messages and the things we see in game. And they have even implied taht we really should pay attention to what you see in HN2.

Idk but I dont think HG is canon, I just think that they took elements and nade them fit into the canon story. They did that with HN1 and even in HN2 with characters and elements of story.

They are even doingbthe smae with HN3, taking more elements from previous concpet mainly HN2 and exploring on them they way HN2 didnt. This also connects to the symbolic representation stuff I ahve already explained before.

[dusty trench]

But what you said while not being fully in my thoughts of the story, is connected to my next theory on the HN storyline that I am gathering more evidence for relating to the dates and to explain time more and, even explore a new concept of time that has kind of been implied, but hasint been really talked about or eleaborated on. And its going to tie in but in a way that makes sense.

[dusty trench]

And yeah, I don’t really think she is dead. Or atleast didnt die as a child.

[willow depot]

Me neither

[dusty trench]

The game just, isnt finished.

[bright talon]

Guys what'd do u think is gonna happen in s3 of welcome to raven brooks

[willow depot]

Cult gets beaten to death by Theodore

Trinity and the gang reconcile

Praying we get a cameo of Nicky moving out

[dusty trench]

And guest origins

[dusty trench]

police finds trinity in cell and releases her and they find the cult body and that mr peterson escaped. But Mr. Peterson convinces the police to let him go and that hw can hide away frpm the public, and he is forced to be a constructor at the amusement park so he can make sure nobody dies. And he is also killing cult members. Maybe since the police found trinity, her parents will try to send her to boarding school still but they compromise to let trinity stay for longer so she can get her mental health right, try be with her friends again, and to win the inventirs club state contest to get over the past. They even let Finch join the squad and she tries to apologize and help them out. And she has been so toxic because she amhas been hanging with other kids who vandalize and scare people for fun 👀. But while they are at the amusement park,trinity remembers the cult vandalizong the park. Then they run into the cult members trying to dismantle the rides and they try to stop them from doing so by fixing the rides with tools. But when they keep going back to the park, they end up running into Mr. Peterson and finding out he has been killing cult members and hanging up their bodys underground in some weird under ground amusement park like area the basement mosly how its portayed in the books. And they find out that he is targeting them and trying to kidnap them. And everytime they face him, he has some crazy trap, or even the flying drone bots from HE attack them, and they run into shark-o-trons (they need to put shark-o-tron in the series). And he keeps trying to trap them in some underground creepy amusement park area. But one day Mr. Peterson is late to the job because he was dealing eith something, and when he gets to the park its too late and a big incident starts. As the kids are facing crowface a fore starts and it goes around the whole park aswell as rides power being turned off and multiple children and even adults and teens die in this golden apple disaster.

[outer ingot]

Ride the cyclone in WTRB when

[dusty trench]

And also to add onto the kids going to the park, they sometimes run into Quentin who while still being a journalist, takes late nights shifts at the park and even is there at day time to investigate which is when they see him. And even they can show Beatrix aswell there and mention that they are siblings. And after the park incident HN2 intro starts. But to continue after the park incident, Mr. Peterson is angry and is in rage node and out for revenge on the kids. His goal is to trap them in a time loop (which he has been experimenting with weather and time throughout the season). And after the incident the kids break up again but instead they slowly get back togethor by going to the park and finding scrap parts for there invention. But when they are at the park, Mr. Peterson is modifying attractions to kidnap the kids. And they go back after a while and then Mr. Peterson kidnaps delroy first, and then finch. And then the kids realize the best thing to do is to instead of running away from there problems, they have to face it. So when gettibg scrap parts they try to find delroy ahd finch. And sometimes it woukd cut to delroy and finch trying to escape snd they even find pther scrap parts and try to understand truly what everyone else has been through and how they have hurt nicky. And then delroy and finch escape and try to find the others. And the others are about to face mr peterson and when they get passed and build there race car, they realize that they are trapped in a time loop and that Mr. Peterson is trying to start a storm. He is starting a storm because during them trying to escape, he was at the museum and Quentin finds Aaron and afterwards Mr. Peterson got the giant raven statue to fall on him because the cult sabotaged it with device. And the cult took Aarom away and Quentin, and the guest took Theo. He is planning on trpping him in a place full of all his pain, loss, regret, suffering, and sin.

[dusty trench]

And he is trying to make a deal with Aaron to make him be the towns next guest. And afterwards the guest frees Quentin and forces him to be apart of the cult and that if he doesnt help, they will kil his sister Beatrix and then kill him. but they afterwards end up escapeing surviving and from the guest and they run into old town and the guest den. And afterwards they get notes saying its from Aaron coming from the den so they try to save Aaron but it ends up being Mr. Peterson and he runs to Mayak. And the guest captures them. And in the kids perspective which is AS, the kids end up escaping but when they leave, a storm starts and its caused by Mr. Peterson. And then they meet the guest because he kidnaps them. And through out the season they hear more rumors about the raven man going viral. And they even slowly learn before this moment that he real and that Mr. Peterson knows him they just havent met him. But they sometimes see a different kind of raven figure unfamiliar to them sometimes but think they are hallucinating. And theough out the season they learn more about how things like the weather control and the luck devices work and how time loops work and how its effecting them. Ans they even learn slowly more about the origins behind the cult, mr peterson and his parents, and they even learn more about how the cults plans and mr petersons plans which effect them now and learn to get over there fears and even sabotoge there plans and inventions the right way without ruining everything. All of this while thinking anout nicky. nd they will even go over to his house and try to talk to his parents and see how they are doing and how they will recover. They even meet all of the kids parents and the kids let out there secrets so they can do better in the future. And when the guets kidnaps them, he always reminds them of there mistakes so they can be scared. But they overcome there fears and slowly escape through the tunnels and even see the town destiryed and flooded.

And in between everything, the guest makes a deal with Aaron to join the cukr but Aaron wants to make sure that Quentin his sister snd the rescue squad are safe and get away scott free and that the storm doesnt kill everyone which he know his father started cause the guest told him. And the guest tells Aaron that his father is too dangerous and needs to be taken away from him and convinces Aaron to agree. And then when that happens the guest goes out of town to find people to gi to the weather station to stop the storm. And tjose 2 people happened to be Pris and Regina. And the GN2 starts and the storm stops. And Mr. Peterson has gone full psyco and sees himself as him being evil like the guest but since he is so angry he cant help it and gives Pris and Regina a warning that they arent safe. And in the background the kids and Quentin aswell as beatrix are kind of influencing this by them sabotoging and destroying things to cause a storm. And also back to Quentin and Beatrix is that when the storm started, they escaped and the storm started and they are saving people and stopping floods (which is what I also mean by them influencing it) and they are running away from the guest and trying to find the mayor and other cult members to take them down. And they find eveidence that they are cult members and even tell the whole entire origin story and some cult members maybe all go to jail. But they dosciver it in Mayak and the kids are also there tok and they tun into Mr. Peterson who is trying to kill them and even the kids see him as turning eveil like the guest because he is fully evil now like him. And they get passed Theo and I think what woukd be cool is if they recreate the Bosco bay endong with Peterson getting trapped underground because a storm powered radiation crashed and starts destroying the ground and trapping Theo. And the guest is there aswell trying to run away while other cult members are getting artested there. And the peterson house.

But they still overtime see it as a haunted land scape and even more rumors start to spread on what really happened because the police couldnt find Theo. And another thing the shoukd recreate from bosco bay is Mr. Peterson rising from the ground and walking away like in the last post credits or something. And in another post credits what woukd be cool is showing the kids as adults later on and hearing rumors of the past and even have an old Quentin. And either Trinity is moved out of raven brooks or is the mom of enzos kids we see in reset day and we coukd even see those kids aswell this can be another post credits scene. And also in the ending they should have nicky as an adult getting his apartment. And another thing I want to add is that when Aaron makes the deal with guest, the kids see Aaron helping them escape and they introduce Aaron and even they learn more about his perspective. But it kinda implies Aaron that Aaron is communicating with someone through a doll that is actualky a walkie talkie but hes hiding the design of the doll because its the guest. I feel like this woukd explain alot like how season 3 is supposed too and I really want it to be like this.

and they dont have to show all of the quentin and beatrix perspective stuff, but they can have little segments of there perspective discovering stuff, and even they can like have them explain what has been going on to them when they run into the kids and they can even show some newspapers and stuff about HN2 including the dlc’s. And the kids can even slowly see MITH lurking around and they figure out from Quentin that he is missing journalist ir something.

[bright talon]

Dang... @dusty trench u must love this lore man.

[dusty trench]

I do

[bright talon]

Lol awesome

[ripe berry]

it was a joke lmao
(I tried to make that somewhat clear by purposefully misspelling Actually but I guess I should've put a /j at the end)

(Sorry, been busy so I didn't reply sooner)

[ripe berry]

that's just how I have the image saved

[ripe berry]

fair

[bright talon]

So.. in welecome to raven brooks who really is the traitor

[dusty trench]

oh alr its fine

[gusty flint]

low key the carectors all seem super hardend in season 2 of the animated series

aside from nicky

[dusty trench]

Yeah

[gusty flint]

my dude

its me

[dusty trench]

oh wassup

[gusty flint]

nuttin u?

[dusty trench]

just chillin

[gusty flint]

also in episode 2 of season 3 They tunr on a machine on acident wich imediatly causes a storm! this proves your and mine theory of it being a weather maker

so it must be cannon in the animated series

[dusty trench]

yeah

And another reason why AS is super on the wacky over exageratted side of HN is mainly because of the kids mindset and perspective.

[gusty flint]

brb

[dusty trench]

alr

[dusty trench]

And what I mean by this is that its their minds exxagerating stuff to another level. Like mainly you get to see that with hie they hurt nicky. Like there is just no way they are gonna make fun of him or ignore so much of getting literally kidnapped. Or gaslight and ignore things that are obviously true, or convince him to still cone along along even thoygh its just gonna mke things worse for him and even the res of the kids because they started being a little more agressive and rude mainly in Season 2 like you said. And the AS animation style is also telling aswell to the overall message of the series. And when things get really less super wacky in AS, it starts ro have a little bit of a weird feeling.

[gusty flint]

I had an Idea all the game were in the minds of children playing games

[dusty trench]

Not really just the mind of them. In the terms that its not all their imagination. The imagination stuff is just a small thing that is kinda shown. But its more symbolic representation in the characters minds portraying stuff in a weird way. Main example being nickys story. You can see that psychological and symbolic way of telling the story to get the message out (and why everything is mysterious). And they tell the story through out in a deep message.

[gusty flint]

ya like in act 3

[dusty trench]

yeah and finale aswell

And even especailly hide and seek and search and rescue too. And even HN2 HE, books and well. Everything.

[gusty flint]

tbh faust storylinw would have bein cool

[dusty trench]

That technically got changed to fit the main canon. What I mean by this is that when they tell the story in a symbolic way of representation woth the minds of the characters portraying things in a weird way thats tied to their experiences and views of whats going on and what has impacted them the most. Like in AS we see the faust poster. And in early builds of HN1 and even HN2 the eye meaning was going to fit ankther story but they made it fit the main one. And the HN3 logo is suoer symbolic with the ouroburous being the circle of life and death. The rabbit being the rebirth. And the butterfly being transformation. And the faust painting with Mr. Peterson is a little more now (which was confirmed by alex with the AS season 2 teaser). Mr. Peterson is the man who made a mistake in his past because of what he experienced and he cant seem to face it to get it over with so he keeps running away from it. His problems in his mind being storms and the guest because thats connected to his past. And the more theo keeps running away from his problems, the more bad things he does which makes him derranged and become a monster like the guest. And because of all that sin he commited, the attractions, the kidnappings, the storm disaster, and really everything being related to him, makes him evil. And its like in a symbolic way, he sold his soukd to the devil and betrayed jesus and chose control instead. And Franklins design is kind of like the jesus design in the painting and even alex mentioned it with the eyes emoji. That could be that Mr. Peterson did something before that later on caused karma to him which took away the only person who truly took care of him in a way. And Theo keeps running away and regreting what he did. So he lives in guilt, pain, loss, regret, suffering, and sin. Thats not really saying that franklin is the jesus figure in the painting, but its just franklin as an example shown in AS in a way. The jesus in the poster isnt really franklin.

[gusty flint]

oh

g2g

[dusty trench]

oh alr, see yah 👋

[dusty trench]

AS teaser.

I think they are in the weather station/MAYAK. I say that because the walls look very old and grayish blue like, we see old wires and busted up electronic stuff. And in the weather station in season 2’s flashback, we seen wires hanging and blue walls, could’ve turned a little more grayish since it’s abandoned and even storms. And the electronic stuff is very similar to what we seen in the weather station. And also the finale of the series EP 17-18 is supposed to be at MAYAK. And every finished episode has more shadows and darker outlining even, more textures in the backgrounds as well. And this photo looks really recent and like it’s not fully done yet. And if it’s MAYAK and the finale in this teaser it would match the finished episode order we have gotten before and the planned release for season 3 which is meant to be sometime this year. And I think the bag has golden apple coins/luck devices and parts to them. And we know that Petersons bag had this stuff in it sp it could be that the cult took his bag and brought it to mayak to do their ritual which can explain the well is gurgling line and afterwards the cultist saying ready for you know what. The well could be that giant hole in the station.

[stiff spire]

Yeah

the hype for the season 3 is growing