lore-discussion

[frigid pumice]

The neighbor goes to jail

So that still leaves us wondering

What happened to aaron?

[eager island]

go play hn2

[frigid pumice]

Keep reading

[glacial whale]

Yea but when I walk up to the wall I can’t go through it

[ripe berry]

watch Season 2 of the as

[shell gull]

Not hallucinations a distorted memory.

[frigid pumice]

Am talking as in like the knowledge

[frigid pumice]

I did

[shell gull]

You wording be aware of hallucinations unless told so.

[ripe berry]

well you'd know that by the end of AS Season 2 Ted has gotten out of jail, allowing for him to find Aaron and lead into the events of HN2

[mellow ermine]

Watch or play hn2

Then you Will know

[frigid pumice]

Is that really gonna happen tho?

What abt nicky

And all of the squad

[glacial whale]

The knowledge wall

[frigid pumice]

?

[glacial whale]

We’re talking about the wall being real or not?

[frigid pumice]

Basically

[dry depot]

is the books canon in the sense of nicky and aarons friendship? bc like in the AS it doesn't seem like the kids have any knowledge abt maya or aaron

they just know they went missing

[eager island]

everything is canon

lore is totally messed up

[dry depot]

Bro what 😭

[faint storm]

Funny in the as they used to know who Aaron and Maya were they just scrapped that and left it in the pilot

[dry depot]

Exactly

Now it’s as if they have no knowledge of who they were

[mellow ermine]

What if..

[dull crystal]

Real

Real

[celest otter]

I have a theroy.

[dull crystal]

The roy

[eager island]

2019 ahh

*2020

[mellow ermine]

The truth Will show in the final ending

[gusty flint]

so many people think that, I dont think they are the same, I think its a coincedence. just my 2 sence

[celest otter]

maybe father and son

[tribal talon]

that theory is old

[eager island]

they ARE NOT SAME

2020 😭😭 ahh

its literally confirmed in 2020

[gusty flint]

ok

[gusty flint]

i know

[acoustic atlas]

Guys hear me out what if the guest is Mr.peterson's brother

[spring prairie]

only in the AS

[safe charm]

@vernal egret continuing the discussion here but in reset day the whole town is basically in lockdown because of the guest

And hes taking people away that try to stop him basically

Like he kidnapped enzo because he had something he wanted

[vernal egret]

Book guest sounds wild lol

[safe charm]

He is

This is him Speaking

Btw

[vernal egret]

Every time i see these, i just think “god why is the AS so boring looking 💀”

[safe charm]

Oh and also did i forget to mention in reset day he texts the protagonist Threats

Lol

After she encountered

Him in the woods

[vernal egret]

The idea of the guest just pulling out a cell phone and casually texting is so funny to me.

[safe charm]

He also has a pfp

Yes you heard me

An icon of a crow

[vernal egret]

Texting children too, he is not beating the allegations we need to cancel the guest right now lmao

[safe charm]

Also the Neighbor is super creepy in the Books

[vernal egret]

Well this proves one thing i wasn't too sure about, he is intelligent in a human way.

[safe charm]

Hes potrayed more grounded and mentally

Disturbed rather than cartoon villian

Sings Nursery rhymes outside nickys Window at one point

While threatning him

[vernal egret]

I hate how the neighbor is a compelling character in every single piece of media except the games.

[safe charm]

When hes trapped nicky in the basement

[safe charm]

The Books really show his downspiral to insanity

Mya goes down into the basement

This is supposed to be right before hide and seek happens but hes already kinda starting to lose it because of everything bad happening with his parks and thinking his son is a bad omen

[vernal egret]

I'm not saying he should talk, because i feel like that should be exclusive to outside media, but the potential for visual telling.

[safe charm]

Well in the Books he barely talks so you get kinda suprised when he does

He mostly just stares or smiles at nicky but he says stuff at times

[safe charm]

In the games hes just so kidified and simplified

In other media he feels much more like a proper horror villian

[vernal egret]

I'm working on a guest design as we speak by the way.

[safe charm]

Do you Think making him more of a villian again was the right decison

I defenitly do

As with hn1 he was potrayed more like a tragic family man but later media leaned into the villian direction more again(Books and AS especially)

[vernal egret]

There's many villains you can sympathize with, while acknowledging that they're evil humans, the neighbor is best done this way, i love him as a villain, but he works best as a villain that isn't just one dimensional.

[safe charm]

I just don’t like how hn1 fg made him so unintimedating

You just felt bad for him not Even slight fear

[vernal egret]

This comes down to him being too expressive, bad musical decisions, and the build up itself being nothing.

[vernal egret]

Also painfully bad sound design, which is something that's extremely important in the case of thriller/horror games.

[safe charm]

Im not a huge fan of the hn1 alphas as Many are but i Do admit the Neighbor felt more intimmidating in the early alphas and more unerving too

[vernal egret]

I know it'll never happen, but for HN3 ignoring everything else, my biggest wish, is that they hire johnathan geer.

[vernal egret]

The chase music used in alpha one and the pre-alpha, is a small clip of a track composed by johnathan, titled “the black wind” his musical style is PERFECT for the games, and the soundtrack is already very clearly inspired by his work.

[safe charm]

https://youtu.be/EBwENdTSpXg?si=0fz2Ljc7XTGYePvJ

i really liked how his original catching voice sounded at 1 min and 11

[vernal egret]

I feel like not enough people actually know this https://youtu.be/41e9cjKr3PQ?feature=shared

[eager island]

this was not even possible during Hello Guest time, even if you completely ignore the confirmations

ike died in 1992
hello guest happening on during secret neighbor and most of part happening after act 2 this means hello guest is also 1996

[willow depot]

True that

[willow depot]

Ike lacks the chin swirl, theory incorrect!!1

[balmy niche]

I dont think game has a lore anymore. Hn3 looks like very stand alone.

[unkempt sleet]

HN3 will have lore, they're just not focusing on it at this stage of development

they're first fully focusing on the gameplay

[balmy niche]

I hope but we dont know anything about yet. Hn1 lore was so low, hn2 is cancelled and Im not sure we will get nice ending in S3.

[tribal talon]

ive heard it too. someone told me where it came from

also it starts at 0;45

its using the real insturments. i tried blowing my flute really hard. it sounds how it sounds when the chase music starts

[unkempt sleet]

HN1 Lore was not low what

[balmy niche]

I mean game not books or animated series

[unkempt sleet]

And i still disagree

[balmy niche]

littlekidgotptsdaftertenyearshecamebackandgotanotherptsdafterthatkiddreamtridiculousparkourseventuallyhewokeupandeverythinghasendedjustlikecheapstories

[unkempt sleet]

It's not about Nicky, HN1 still had much lore about Theodore

[balmy niche]

Did you hear clearlly? Im saying game. Dream scenes are pure laziness. Just oh his familly is death omg. Do you think that is much lore?

[unkempt sleet]

His family is the lore

Thinking Dream scenes are lazy is okay but that doesnt change anything about the lore

HN1's lore basically established the whole story of the franchise

[balmy niche]

Basically yes, I hope we can see good story in S3

[next moat]

Fr man. I think another thing HN developers should've done is make the lore make sense. Cus good movie, good games, even a good show can't be good without a good lore in it and a good story that makes sense

And they sadly messed all up

[celest otter]

mr.petersons brother is the shadow man that nicky is scared off

[acoustic atlas]

So is the shadow man good?

[celest otter]

not really

[dry depot]

no bro the shadow man is nicky going insane

it's ptsd

[tribal talon]

nicky knows about the guest his quote was "guest? i gotta go"

[celest otter]

on peterson's board the people on it must be in the cult in wtrb

[queen tiger]

No
The shadow man, aka The Thing is the representation of trauma in Hello Neighbor

[tribal talon]

yes.

except otto. he is a slave to the cults

i mean some of them. and others are victims

[glacial whale]

Shadow man is just Nicky’s fear hence why only he sees it.

[dry patio]

other people can see the thing

[tribal talon]

wow who!??! who was it. can you tell me?

[glacial whale]

In hn1 it looks like neighbor sees it but this is in Nicky’s head and so he doesn’t actually see it. Otherwise I have no idea who your talking about

[vagrant igloo]

Its not in nicky's head

its not nicky's fear

its just fear in general

[glacial whale]

It’s Nicky’s manifestation of fear and only in his head. Where are you getting this info and who else supposedly sees the thing?

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor

when you kill the Secret Neighbor for a few seconds the black fragments it splits into are in the shape of the Thing

[tribal talon]

i remember dis

[ripe berry]

this means every character within Secret Neighbor (minus the Neighbor Classes) can also "see" the Thing

(Enzo, Maritza, Trinity, Ivan, Delroy, Finch, Quentin)

[glacial whale]

My bad I completely forgot about SN.

[dry patio]

Nikita

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah!

.

[dry patio]

Mike, what do you think the upper floors concept art of hn1 alpha 1 symbolises the main characters memories?

[ripe berry]

maybe?

[chrome maple]

They represent the seven deadly sins iirc

[willow depot]

"pure laziness" FNAF and Bendy did their exposition and lore in TEXT.

they improved over time and took more of a "show, don't tell" approach obviously but still, HN1 isn't lazy

[willow depot]

No.

HN1 alpha 1 floors don't fully symbolize the alpha protagonist's memories

if someone tells you otherwise, they're wrong

like yeah Nikita said in the interview that the rooms should take the player down memory lane but it's meant to be on a surface level

basic stuff like "ah yes schoolroom I sure remember school" and whatnot

The alpha 1 house is literally meant to be the house of the devil, it's not meant to be player character themed it's overall sin and humanity themed, that being said he didn't burn a baby or bury a teacher or whatever else people tend to believe

just because symbolism of one sin or another is there doesn't necessarily mean that the player character did it in the past

the war part maybe because it's mentioned twice in the floor plans

[balmy niche]

Batim fans frustrated the lore of batdr and In fnaf, people use books to explain something generally but Its not change story-telling in hn1 is cheap. Batim and fnaf mixed it with gameplay.

You only got in hn1 is his family died

[willow depot]

Batim mixed the story with gameplay by putting hints and foreshadowing into the audio logs, FNAF didn't. In FNAF 2 literally the same "die a few times to get a cutscene" principle is used for story-telling

[willow depot]

Ok and

I'm sorry, did you want to hear about the cult of crow wannabes that weren't even conceptualized yet

the game is exclusively about the player character and the neighbor, about Nicky and Theodore and what surrounds the two. Nicky is drenched in trauma, Theodore is drenched in grief. What else do you want

[balmy niche]

It isnt enough

[willow depot]

what do you mean it isn't enough DUDE???

[balmy niche]

There is a big lore but games only show little parts

[willow depot]

AT THE TIME OF HELLO NEIGHBOR 1 DEVELOPMENT THERE WAS NO "BIG LORE" IT'S JUST THE GUY WITH A DEAD FAMILY AND THE PROTAGONIST WITH TRAUMA

you keep complaining about how HN1 didn't tell us about no nothing when the "big lore" that you kepe referring to WASN'T EVEN MADE YET

How difficult can it be to understand that

[balmy niche]

Im saying: making a story game without lore its very risky and unsatisfing

[willow depot]

are you crazy or just ignorant

HN1 HAD lore

but you keep saying "ooo ooo just that his family died isn't enough I need more lore" oh my gosh

[balmy niche]

Ah forget it, same chair like bioshock

[willow depot]

how is BIOSHOCK RELATED TO ALL THIS??

nevermind I don't wanna know

[balmy niche]

Good story
Weak telling

Anyway hn is good

[glacial whale]

Well yea that’s true but I was just thinking of the main games and not any real person. But yea I completely forgot the detail in SN too since it’s dead or doesn’t work anymore.

[still ermine]

so its nickys fear..?

which is what he said

[vagrant igloo]

not just nickys

just fear in general

[eager island]

its not a actual character

it is metaphorical

[still ermine]

i know that

[twilit sluice]

are the forest protectors from the books tied to the dwellers in hn3 in some way

[wicked heath]

Quite likely

But we’ll see

[stoic coyote]

So it's not real and it never exited not even to Nicky right ?

[vagrant igloo]

Nicky's mind.

Remember act 3 and 4 are dreams

[stoic coyote]

Yeah I do remember

[vagrant igloo]

I hope hn3 has a cool boss fight like hn1

And HN2 ig

[stoic coyote]

So basically
This is just the way Nicky sees his fears?

[vagrant igloo]

Ig

Ye

You could say he visualized his childhood trauma

And in his mind

He defeated it

And locked the neighbor up

So he moved on

We will never get patch 10

It was never a thing

Most of patch 10

Was turned into patch 9

Patch ten is just concepts and a cutscene

[stoic coyote]

Wait hold up .

Oh yeaaaa you're right . Well rip

[trail haven]

What if layout v2 will be in hello neighbor 3?

Wait a sec

[balmy niche]

Hn2's is meh doesnt feel like a boss fight

[trail haven]

I just realized

Hear me out

Although it's scrapped

[balmy niche]

Imagine you're chasing by guest then Ted kills him

[trail haven]

What if in layout v2, beatrix disguised as the guest and saved Quentin

[balmy niche]

Biggest plot twist

But really, Beatrix needs to be a npc in hn3. Other ones already used, she is made for just a being player. Only hg speedrunners choice her

[trail haven]

[eager island]

as i said its metaphorical

nickys fear is giant neighbor

[glacial whale]

Not even a boss fight they just made him really fast and called it day

[willow depot]

Nicky didn't "lock the neighbor up"

[vagrant igloo]

In his mind

He locked away his fears

[willow depot]

still not really

[vagrant igloo]

The end of the game

The neighbor

[willow depot]

let me explain

just let me

[vagrant igloo]

Is trapped in a small room

Being tormented by the thing

Nicky defeated his fear

And locked the neighbor away

In the back of his mind

[willow depot]

oh my gosh I said

let me explain

[vagrant igloo]

The end

[willow depot]

please.

[unkempt sleet]

I think that was more about Neighbor himself than Nicky

oh yea nikita does say that #lore-discussion message

[willow depot]

okay yeah but Nicky didn't lock him there, Nicky KILLED his fears, but Theodore had fears of HIS OWN too (also represented by The Thing)

but instead of facing those fears like Nicky eventually did, Theodore just locked away from everything, afraid

[unkempt sleet]

true

[vagrant igloo]

I kinda just said this

[willow depot]

Cornered he shared a glance with Nicky, surprised, maybe even hopeful, but he disgarded the optimistic thought and he just faced back to the door

[willow depot]

not really

you said that Nicky locked Theodore or at least the representation of Theodore

he didn't have to do that since he has already beaten the fear and trauma that stemmed from the moustached man

[vernal egret]

We're still debating HN1?

I thought the ending became clear a long time ago.

[wicked heath]

Didnt nikita explain the ending like ages ago?

[vernal egret]

I thought so 💀

[glacial whale]

Yea but not everyone is going to just know what Nikita said

[ionic agate]

A question, when in the animated series Nikki is kidnapped, is it the same moment as act 1 of the game?

[tidal ermine]

Is Quinton dead?

[ripe berry]

yes

[wicked heath]

At this point, who knows if Quentin’s dead

[tidal ermine]

He got hit in the head

Fractured skull

[glacial whale]

Hn2 is just in his head after the neighbor struck him in the head in the beginning.

[willow depot]

I'm so tired of the whole "Quentin is genuinely dead" stuff

"fractured skull" oh so being hit in the back of the head at the end is certainly death but all the other times he fainted he could tank easily

[willow depot]

The ending was always made with the point in mind that he's merely knocked out

We literally have a video about the aftermath of such

[willow depot]

And sure, act 2 isn't canon no more but

That doesn't change that at all

[queen tiger]

Wait he did?

[vernal egret]

We see him after he gets hit, it's just never added to the game.

[safe charm]

@vernal egret

Hg story

• Neighbor hides in park with Aaron, he's the Guest
• MiTH bought the park trying to find the Mayak
• Hires the guards to protect the park from vandals but also so they find the Mayak eventually so he doesn't have to face against off the guest

Old hn2 story

Alpha 1

• Guest is his own character, not Ted
• Quentin was investigating fictional things
• Guest in Neighbor's house was Quentin's imagination
• Two Raven Brooks, real and fictional

1.5 Story:

• Guest Kid is Ted
• Other kids died in Mayak
• Attic is Mayak door
• He basically killed his friends on accident
• "How's your weather?" Was reference to that
• Ending was Quentin researching what happened to Ted's friends (trick or treaters)
• Alpha 1.5 is imagination as well
• Knocking was a cliffhanger

[vernal egret]

Instant retconning.

[safe charm]

Also Originally hn2 was supposed to be Quentin going between his fictional imaginary world and real world

With the imaginary one being the whole guest stuff in Ted’s house

Also hnvr started development back in 2020 apparently so it’s possibly following an older story to hn2

Probably not the 1.5 one exactly though

[vernal egret]

What is it with Nikita and writing shit about people having dream realms.

[safe charm]

Gn2 and reset day was also written before the hn2 rewrite most likely

As they were written in 2020

As tie in books for hn2

They really just ruined their story at this point it’s just a mess I’m sorry

And No AS guest can’t be the definitive one because so many other medias is using older versions

So it automatically is not the definitive version

[vernal egret]

Again we should just forget about HN2 the only way to save it, is to throw it away and do things right, which is what i hope they're doing now.

[safe charm]

In gn2 guest litteraly phases through a wall

And strangled Ted

Just to than become Ted

How is THIS not supernatural

Especially since guest neighbor was already scrapped by gn2 times

So it’s litteraly just possession

[vernal egret]

IT IS, i have no clue why they keep trying to say it's not, the guest is 110% supernatural, and has been that way nearly every appearance.

[safe charm]

He even has a rhyme in the book

Yet NONE of this was referenced in hn2

[safe charm]

Also did I forgot

If they retconned supernatural guest they better change it back because it was the coolest he’s been

[vernal egret]

He's lame when he isn't supernatural 💀

[safe charm]

Alex said when I asked about the books and hnvr having him supernatural

He said they wanted to ground the story in AS

😔

Hn3 pls have the more supernatural like guest

[vernal egret]

Well, no offense but the AS should not be the main source of all information regarding the plot, it's not even in the same canon as the rest.

And a lot of people aren't going to sit through three seasons of it before playing the games.

[safe charm]

Yeah but they want AS to be the definitive story but they must make it make sense with EVERYTHING else before it is that

[balmy niche]

I think they're trying to say that Guest is supernatural but he can get damage like an animal.

[safe charm]

Also hnvr kinda implied he kidnapped or even killed Aaron yet in hn2 Aaron is with Ted

Is there even a story anymore to these games they keep being inconsistent it feels like each games are they’re own narrative

[vernal egret]

Then just say that, i can think of hundreds of examples of that, werewolfs, wendigos, vampires, zombies, most classic horror monsters.

[balmy niche]

Maybe aaron is wereraven now?

[safe charm]

I’m just gonna say it they should completely retcon hn2 at this point

[balmy niche]

Hn2 should be deleted from universe

[vernal egret]

Everything in the game desperately needs to be retconned for anything to make sense.

[balmy niche]

Right

[safe charm]

Litteraly retconning hn2 would fix most issues

Treat hn2 as just a AS tie in game that’s a what if scenario

While hn3 is the real sequel

[balmy niche]

[dense temple]

hello everyone

[balmy niche]

Hello

[dense temple]

what’s your favorite hn character?

[safe charm]

Guest

[dense temple]

nice mines quentin

[dense temple]

can i ask why you like the guest?

[safe charm]

Because he’s the coolest and most interesting character atm and has a good design

[dense temple]

that is true do you think he was a human in the past?

[safe charm]

Idk

[dense temple]

i think the guest used to be a human

because how would someone just appear with a large beak

he looks like he would be a human just not his face

[safe charm]

Also sorry if I have come of as a hater when I talk about the story I’m just frustrated

I don’t hate the story or lore I’m just frustrated with its current state

[dense temple]

ok

[unkempt sleet]

Guestyyy we already discussed this one a lot of times bud

i doubt this thing is what physically happened

[safe charm]

I wouldn’t mind hn2 if it didn’t confuse things

For 1 Alex has many times said AS and hn2 are DIRECTLY connected which means hn2 guest is specifically AS guest but that version isn’t consistent with the rest

Alex said it wouldn’t match up with everything

[unkempt sleet]

We havent saw AS Guest yet other than the crow

And the crow part does match up

So i dont understand why youre specifically trying to frustrate yourself

[safe charm]

I mean I don’t think the urban legend of the raven man exists

In AS story

Cause he comes into being during the AS apparently

[unkempt sleet]

Why dont we just wait until we see the "Guest coming into being" our own eyes instead of vague Alex messages to discuss this issue

i believe that would be a far better conversation when it happens rather than the conversation that'd happen now

[safe charm]

Also we know that hn2 might be canon but not in the way we think

[unkempt sleet]

Ask Nikita if HNVR is canon, he'd say the same thing

[unkempt sleet]

Thats not specifically directed to HN2 Guestyyy please

He sees the question that if something is canon, he will say the same because "Everything is canon in a way we dont think"

[safe charm]

Well i feel like hn3 is sorta its own branch of the story just like hn2 was its own branch

Like it’s all official but it’s not all connected like we think everything is

It can’t all be fitted into one timeline

[unkempt sleet]

He did the same with Books, he did the same with HN2

Because the "not in a way we think" is not related to the specific content, it's about every media being canon

[safe charm]

Well he said he seen some people on the right track but they are in minority

So I wonder which are right

[fallow flare]

Excuse me what's AS?

[safe charm]

Animated series

[fallow flare]

Ah 😄 Thanks

[wicked heath]

One sec

[wicked heath]

#lore-discussion message @queen tiger

WRONG PING

Sorry Oz! 😣

[tribal talon]

what if the final hello neighbour game was called "Goodbye neighbour"

[stoic coyote]

I don't think they'll do that.

[cobalt kelp]

i thought the same

[ivory cedar]

are the books canon or not? im trying to make a timeline thing for fun but everytime i look up if theyre canon i get mixed answers

[tribal talon]

nicky roth. he was the one to cause secret neighbor event.

[tribal talon]

it just gets a little scribbled in every different game.
including the animated series. the art style also changes and its how the main player sees and how they remember

[eager island]

everything is canon

[faint storm]

AS nicky does not know who Aaron is it seems. Games nicky and books knows who Aaron is. AS raven cult want the amusement park plans so they capture maritza. In Games this is never implied and the raven cult is so mysterious. Books Lucy it says she fell off the tracks. AS struck by lighting. Books start off completely differently even though it's canon to AS which is to games. In hn2 takes place after act 2 the neighbor Is in a whole new neighborhood but this takes place before nicky is how we see him in act 3 so his house probably did not get destroyed yet. Yep the lore is in shambles

[eager island]

no

hn1 and hn2 is on same town

[unkempt sleet]

is there anything in the games that suggests Nicky knows Aaron

[eager island]

dont think so

its just on books

[unkempt sleet]

Well there's HND technically

i rembered

[eager island]

often forget that hnd even exists lmao

[safe charm]

Aaron grabpack being in Nicky’s tree house in hn2

And fart machine blueprints

[willow depot]

not really

in games it's not implied that Maritza got snatched by the cult because the games never GOT to that point

they didn't even remotely cover the events that happened in AS season 2 unless you wanna count Secret Neighbor

and even in the animated series it was a one-off thing, Maritza got kidnapped, Maritza did what the cult wanted, forget about it

[willow depot]

Books and games (specifically HND) show that Nicky knew Aaron well and that his disappearance became the reason why he broke into Theodore's house in the first place

It does indeed somehow feel less personal in AS but I think it'd just be really weird to exclude that whole plot point in one singular branch of the franchise and nowhere else

[tidal ermine]

hen Theodore was a child, he always played around in his house with his best friend Ike Gershowitz. Theodore's parents, Roger and Adelle Peterson, were popular meteorologists and built a weather station. Theodore used to sometimes go to the tunnels beneath the station with Ike. The town eventually became suspicious of Theodore's parents and what they were working on. Sometime in the late sixties to the late seventies, Roger and Adelle mysteriously disappeared.

In 1984, Theodore was working on a new park in Bosco Bay. He was testing a new attraction he was working on, The Pharaoh’s tomb, which was an egyptian-themed ride. A boy named Joe snuck in and was caught in the corner of a track in the boulder room while it was being tested, and was killed. The park manager at Bosco Enterprises claimed he was never satisfied with the ride’s design. Theodore tried to cover it up, since the manager did not accept liability and the blame would be put on Theodore instead. The park was later demolished after Ferry Farm Funzone, Theodore’s next park, was opened.

In 1995, Theodore's son befriended the kid across the street, Nicky Roth. One time Nicky came over for a sleepover and went into rooms he wasn't supposed go in while looking for a glass of water and Theodore spooked him back to Aaron's room. Later, Theodore and his wife left to go to a store in their car. On the way there, they collide with a pizza truck. Theodore climbs out of his overturned vehicle to seek help while Diane who is severely injured remains in the wreckage. Theodore later waits in the hospital until she eventually dies of cardiac arrest. In the weeks following Diane's death, Aaron becomes very depressed and accidentally pushes his sister off the roof of the house while playing a game. Mya is buried in the backyard by Theodore. At Diane's funeral, Theodore waited inside the house and had a nervous breakdown. He subsequently locks Aaron in the basement to keep him from harm's way, and becomes extra unhinged.

done

[ivory cedar]

bro dropping the biography

[cobalt kelp]

skibidi

[ivory cedar]

toilet

[cobalt kelp]

bro they need to show what happens after the cliffhanger

like sure the guy behind quentin can be a cultist

but bro peterson and aaron hugged at the end i wanna know how they feel abt each other now

[ivory cedar]

i hope what theyll do is like after hn3 they make patch 10

[cobalt kelp]

what abt yall

[faint storm]

Instead of saying the dictionary let me just say games and as and books don't match up at all and there are definitely inconsistent parts with the game

[faint storm]

games

[willow depot]

Obviously

[willow depot]

Same

[tidal ermine]

A year before the events of the game, Theodore and Diane Peterson got into a car collision, resulting in the death of Diane, who flat-lined in the hospital. The theme park ride nightmare shows that the daughter, Mya (represented by a cardboard cutout) fell from a great height (symbolized as a roller coaster drop), and that she was buried in a yard by Mr. Peterson.

Act 1

Nicky Roth, a young teenager, is walking home when he notices his neighbor, Theodore Peterson, attacking someone who is screaming. Nicky knows he has to get inside the house to save the victim, but the Neighbor is an obstacle.

After getting in the basement, Nicky is locked in and cannot exit, and starts to regret entering. He is down there for two months, along with the victim, Aaron Peterson. Aaron was the one who pushed his sister off a roof.

Act 2

Nicky is traumatized from his time in the basement, and once Aaron saves him from his cell room, Nicky knows he has to get out, and he has to do it without being caught again.

His mind has been distorted by fears, as the house is seemingly expanded, but in reality nothing has changed. Nicky visualizes house extensions, prison walls, and stuff trying to keep him in so that he can face Mr. Peterson. Once Nicky escapes, Mr. Peterson tries to go after him, but realizes keeping his son in the basement is more important. He gives Nicky one last angry look as he goes back to his house.

[wicked heath]

Chat flood

[eager island]

the last part is wrong

aaron breaks the window

when nickys escapes

and the neighbor is distracted

[wicked heath]

Well its not « wrong »
Just missing the detail

[tidal ermine]

Hello neighbor 2 lore now

message text now

actually nah

Quentin arriving in the town of Raven Brooks, stopping for a moment to make a note in his journal about the cases he's come to investigate. After a brief coffee-cup transition, Quentin is now in front of the Peterson household at night, trying to spy for anything suspicious. He comes across Imbir hiding in a bush, before the sounds of a struggle catch Quentin's attention - the sounds coming from none other than Mr. Peterson, struggling to drag Aaron Peterson back inside. Quentin snaps a few photos as evidence, but not without Mr. Peterson noticing before seemingly disappearing back into his house.

[willow depot]

Wrong

Hello Neighbor 2 lore:

[balmy niche]

Accarute

[harsh wigeon]

I kinda want like in season 3 a collab with FNAF anyone wants that too?

[balmy niche]

nah

[willow depot]

Literally why 😭

White-roles are crazy these days, either saying "[X] should('ve) be(en) like HN Pre-Alpha" or "guys... Fnaf collaboration."

[still ermine]

crowface, hes not a human because when we hear him talk in the series, hes the only crowface that actually makes crow noises.
and the forest protectors, are probably protecting the hello guest forest where the guest lives.
And they are protecting the amusement park too.
which is headed the same way you can go to it in hello neighbor 2
you then see in trinity's dream a lake heading to the left, with a cat, meaning her dream is happening in hello neighbor 2
like the first alpha
but in the series its gone.
meaning everything is happening before everything got destroyed?
we'll never know.

and dont harass me saying "nuh uh he that he this he stuff he gay"

its just my own theory.

and prespective of the series and games

[vagrant igloo]

Crowface is what the kids call the cultists. We haven't seen the actual guest in the series except for a couple frames, and he looked noticably different

iirc

[still ermine]

gonna need a screenshot

of the guest in as

and forest protector

in as

to compare them

[vagrant igloo]

I'll try to find it

[harsh wigeon]

Nah at that time I just saw a mod for hello neighbor 1 that mixed FNAF SB with HN and I thought man this is just a way to bring back nostalgia (IMO)

[still ermine]

bro hell nah

that aint happening

dont forget the animated series is linked to lore

and linked to hn2

do you want fnaf in the hn lore?

cause that means hn will be in the fnaf lore too

[harsh wigeon]

2 solutions spin-off or a massive clue for both lores

[still ermine]

1000 solutions, no, no, no, no, and repeat that for 996 more messages.

not happening.

this is why i hate fnaf fans, they ruin fnaf and other games entirely

they're playing a survival game and see a bear? heres how they are gonna react as a 10 year old fnaf lover, "hor hor hor hor"

and then proceeds to get absolutely munched by the bear.

[willow depot]

Fnaf fans usually keep to themselves

[harsh wigeon]

thta's because im an ejoyer

[willow depot]

You just DON'T need a FNAF x UN collab

[harsh wigeon]

enjoyer^*

[willow depot]

Potato-tomato.

[harsh wigeon]

not saying that we need it it's just an idea that remains in the air until someone decides to make it come alive

[willow depot]

Literally what for

Why

What purpose

[harsh wigeon]

No purpose at all I was watching a video of a mod that combined both franchises, I just wanted to share my idea.

may not be the best

but it is what it is

an idea

[still ermine]

thats like saying you want fnaf to collab with anime waifu simulator

[novel zealot]

As a FNaF fan
I deeply apologise for those people who had done harm to everyone else

Including the Games

[celest otter]

https://tenor.com/view/rbo-raven-brooks-online-ted-hello-neighbor-gif-9679414430533403574

we wanted a real multiplayer hello neighbor

[glacial whale]

It’s like a kid playing with action figures merging things for the heck of it. I’m sure you’ll get some people that’ll be all for it cause they like both.

[vagrant igloo]

Guys

I have a theory

It might be stupid

But I think

What if

The guest

Is the man in the hat

They have really similar body shapes

Just saying

[balmy niche]

[willow depot]

How ignorant

Quentin and Man In The Hat ALSO have similar body shapes

To the point of having identical face features

[vagrant igloo]

I mean

Not really

Just cuz they both have long noses

[willow depot]

Don't be hypocritical now

[vagrant igloo]

Guest has plump body and skinny limbs and sphere head. Mith has plump body, skinny limbs, and sphere head

[willow depot]

Oh wait you were SERIOUS?

[vagrant igloo]

Not to mention they basically have the same shoes

[willow depot]

Denied

[vagrant igloo]

And think about it

Mith has never really had a big role in any game

[willow depot]

That's because he was never properly utilized.

Beatrix was never properly utilized either that doesn't mean that she has some secret grand role

[vagrant igloo]

She still has a role

In hn2

There is a newspaper clipping

About her

She is quent's sister

[willow depot]

A role

[vagrant igloo]

Oh btw check dms

[willow depot]

Not a big role

[vagrant igloo]

Ok

But even tho he hasn't had a big role

[willow depot]

Literally from the start of his conceptualization MITH was FIGHTING the Guest literally

In HN2 alphas the Guest was representation of the weather itself, there's a chance he wasn't even real

[vagrant igloo]

He has still been in A lot of games

Hn2

Sn

[willow depot]

Okay and

[vagrant igloo]

Ok maybe not A LOT

But some

[willow depot]

How does being a reoccurring character make him the Guest

Like.

[vagrant igloo]

It doesnt

I was basing it off their body shapes

[willow depot]

Literally why

[willow depot]

Technically they could just throw him into HN3

hope they do so alongside Beatrix although THAT is unlikely as heck on its own

[vagrant igloo]

All jokes aside it was just a theory

A GAM-

Nah

I hope he gets some kind of role eventually

He was originally supposed to be Neighbor_Fake

At least that's what Nikita said I think

[willow depot]

In Hello Guest he was searching for the Mayak, bought the amusement park and hired Que/Bea to fend off vandals

But since that whole game got quickly scrapped

[vagrant igloo]

Yea

And bea was originally just a stranger

[still ermine]

if nicky and sans met :

"ARE YOU NUTS?!" - said nicky

"no actually, thats my cousin" - said sans. and then he got shot 78 tim-

[glacial whale]

I’m really confused

[tribal talon]

Nicky and Sans?

Bruh

Crazy

[still ermine]

IF, they met.

[slender atlas]

Crowface vs guest

Who would win

7 v 1

[balmy niche]

7 humans and the creature who beat Ted

[tribal talon]

peterson was scared of the guest. in hnvr. guest is tougher than peterson so.
guest can beat crowface like peterson.
so guest wins

[tribal talon]

pre alpha neighbor woulda been throwing bear traps at em without mercy

aint nothing stopping that man

[harsh wigeon]

I have one question chronologically where is hello neighbor vr located? after hello neighbor 1 act 1, act 2 or hello neighbor 2?

[unkempt sleet]

it happens right before HN1 Act 2

HNVR's ending is directly connected to the HN1 Act 2 intro

[harsh wigeon]

makes sense

thx

i haven't played it thta's why im asking

[slender atlas]

Yay but it's a 7 vs 1

[glacial whale]

Yea but 7-4=3 so

[tribal talon]

neighbor beat like 8 cops. so this means guest can too

i may be wrong at counting cops

[blazing kiln]

But in the HN Act 2

Aaron wasn`t there

just when he opens the door

And he doesn`t appear anymore

[unkempt sleet]

HN1 Act 2 is a memory that we see through the eyes of grown up Nicky's memory

that's the in universe reason

and the real life reason is that they just didnt have an Aaron model for HN1

[blazing kiln]

Yes i know

But i think Alex said a while ago that he was gonna rework Hello Neighbor 1

After Hello Neighbor 2

[eager island]

alex is not a game developer

[sharp osprey]

Honestly i think it might be interesting an official remake of HN1 but i think that could happen after HN3

[unkempt sleet]

yea well thats not really a lore discussiony subject

[eager island]

it will happen after hn3

no

hn3

[blazing kiln]

I think he said the game developer team

[eager island]

he said team will remake hn1 after hn2 is done

[blazing kiln]

I wish they can rework HN1 and 2

[eager island]

but it delayed

it will beafter hn3

[blazing kiln]

Yes, i know that

[ripe berry]

yep

[safe glacier]

huh

[twin cobalt]

Yo if hn3 takes place after hn1 act 3 why is the house still there it should be be destroyed

[eager island]

its not 910 friendly court

[willow depot]

that's not the neighbor's house

it has similar colors but it's just not it

[unkempt sleet]

also we dont know if it takes place before Act 3 or after

the house could be burned or not burned

[ripe berry]

yeah
Nikita has purposefully avoided assigning any years or timeframes to HN3

the only thing we can say with some form of confidence is that it's set in the future relative to the time of HNHS/HN1 Act 1/HN2

but only because Ted's design is an obviously older version of him

[young kayak]

@bitter token we have #media for any HN video related, please post there

[bitter token]

Ok

[copper shore]

what would happen

If i

@ everyone

Would it stop me?

probably

and look at that

it stopped me

[coral wyvern]

Pretty sure that’s just an old map used for promotional images, also I think that’s just the RBO pre alpha house at a dif angle

[amber wagon]

anyone wanna investigate lore of hello neighbour 1 by using the mod "hello neighbur coop" in steam workshop

[mild dirge]

Or maybe it's more of a headcanon

[balmy niche]

Just a headcanon

[stoic coyote]

Did anyone notice in the hello neighbor hide and seek showcasing trailer. The crow catches the doll at the end ?👀 and we all know the doll falling represents Mya falling from the roof so what if the crow represents the guest?

[mild dirge]

Awesome idea, but I don't think the concept of the Guest was created way back then

Also, Maya is literally buried in Mr. Peterson's backyard

So if the Guest took her, why is she buried then?

[stoic coyote]

We saw a mannequin of her moving in hn2 ? Maybe her soul is suck in there or smth

[mild dirge]

Possibly, but I don't think the lore of Hello Neighbor would really work with paranormal things, except the Guest

Speaking of which, why is it even called "The Guest" in the first place?

[stoic coyote]

We don't know that. Still a good theory tho

[mild dirge]

It's very intriguing

[stoic coyote]

Because when he first appeared to the community he was in the game "Hello guest" and the community assumeed the title referred to him so they called him that

[mild dirge]

So it doesn't really have an official name yet

[stoic coyote]

The kids in the AS call him crow face . The devs didn't really confirm a specific name for him as far as I know they call him either the guest or crow face and some people call him raven man

[mild dirge]

I like crow face more ngl, it sounds more fitting for obvious reasons. Lol

Not really related, but I think the lore was much more grounded before Hello Neighbor 2 and the spinoffs and stuff

[stoic coyote]

I like calling him the guest. Cuz he suddenly appeared in raven brooks and the game so it fits

[stoic coyote]

Hide and seek had the best lore. Hello neighbor 2 was more like an update for the first game ngl

[mild dirge]

Oh that's an interesting way of choosing his name

[mild dirge]

Meh, you could say that

But I loved the first way more for some reason

[stoic coyote]

Same . It feels nostalgic and it had my favorite character in it ⬛️⬜️⬛️⬜️⬛️

[mild dirge]

Uhhhh.... Shadow guy???

Or what was his name again...

[stoic coyote]

Hell yeah

[mild dirge]

Hell yeah!!!!!

[stoic coyote]

The thing

[charred sinew]

It's my favorite too

[mild dirge]

Movie reference 🤯🤯🤯

[mild dirge]

Coolio 🥂

[stoic coyote]

His aura back in 2018 was very solid.
I used to have nightmares about him (╥﹏╥)

[mild dirge]

Nightmares? XD

[charred sinew]

I never had a nightmare about him

[mild dirge]

I was so traumatised by kid Nicky's scream when the thing punched him

[stoic coyote]

Hello neighbor 1 was mently disturbing

[mild dirge]

The neighbor's AI was mentally disturbing....

He kept on placing cameras everywhere in act 3 when I first played it😭

[stoic coyote]

XD It was predictable and unpredictable at the same time

[mild dirge]

So true

[dry patio]

What is your favorite alpha storyline in hn

[mild dirge]

Faust storyline was pretty interesting

[eager island]

most of the story that was going to be covered in hn2 was cut because of AS

[neat frigate]

Also the shape kinda looks like one

[neat frigate]

Mister Nevermore is the perfect uncanon name

[novel zealot]

Hmmmm

That guy reminds me of something

Oh yeh

He reminds me of Shadow bonnie
(Sorry for mentioning this)

[stoic coyote]

Yeah they are very alike

[harsh wigeon]

is there any difference between the guest from the games and the cult appart from the way of dressing?

[chrome maple]

probably

[unkempt sleet]

cultists are normal people and Guest is a separate entity from them

[wicked heath]

Average fnaf fan when a shadow character makes an appearance for 0.05 seconds

[novel zealot]

CMON BRO

[wicked heath]

Sheesh beasty is typing HARD

[willow depot]

take it easy lads "shadow with white eyes" is a COMMON trope

[novel zealot]

Exactly

[wicked heath]

Limbo

[willow depot]

you're not in the right either however

[novel zealot]

I only said he reminded me of that😭

[willow depot]

fair nuff

[eager island]

omg is that shadow bonnie

[willow depot]

but they're kinda

super different all in all

[novel zealot]

Yeh

Exactly
Im not saying their the same thing

They are different from eachother

Thank god
This didn't escalate into an argument

[twin cobalt]

Does Nicky have kids or a wife?

[eager island]

as we know

no

[twin cobalt]

Will Quentin left shoe be in hn3?

[mild dirge]

What?

[vagrant igloo]

What???

[balmy niche]

Queen quentin

[twin cobalt]

After all who was the person that knocked out Quentin in the end of hello neighbor 2

[shell gull]

A cultists, Quentin would later be killed.

Sharing the same fate as the Journalist before him

[tame quartz]

Quentin dies by the end of hn2 btw

it’s the same fate every journalist meets when they start investigating the cult

[twin cobalt]

Source: trust me bro

[spiral grove]

okay so I dont know hello neighbor lore, so here I am gonna leave my speculations about it (excluding hn2, including 1st mission of hn diaries) ||so main character is a friend of aaron who is son of peterson, after peterson lost his wife in car crash and daughter who was pushed by aaron he either locks up aaron as punsihment or he just doesnt want to loose him. We start investiga
ting and he get locked up then we escape, after few years we need to comeback and we start seeing dark figures so either we are dreaming of it (after trauma) or either this dark shadow people, and either torture us (there is no way peterson came back and built whole house in 1 night) or either they want to show us what happened to aaron (propably first option is the real one)|| pls tell me in how many % I am correct

[willow depot]

80%

Yeah the main character (whose name is Nicky Roth) IS dreaming after having trauma

The shadow person is representation of fear as a whole

[eager island]

act 3 is self therapy

not just dream

nicky feels the thing and the "dream" events

and nicky CANT see the thing/shadowman

[willow depot]

That kind of goes against half of act finale

[eager island]

yea

[willow depot]

The whole "stand in front of child-self to shield from big shadowman" thing kinda doesn't make sense if Nicky doesn't actually see it

I know it's meant to be symbolic but

[eager island]

but as nikita said "characters and nicky cant see it, they feels it"

[unkempt sleet]

it's because the thing doesnt exist as a physical entity in universe

we see it, and we see things presented the way theyre presented because we need to see it

[spiral grove]

I mean its representation of fear

so technically whole chapter 4

wasnt nickys dream

it could be there just to show

how to overcome his fear

and i think they did it great

they showed how he overgrow his fear

literaly

XD

[wicked heath]

Omori lore be like

[austere carbon]

I have a good question

what happened to the detective and Beatrix's are they apart of the lore anymore?

[ripe berry]

the Man in the Hat has technically unknown importance but he can be seen in the background in Season 2 Episode 4 of the Animated Series (which I'm using as my pfp).

Beatrix only exists in the lore as Quentin's missing sister now.

[twin cobalt]

Does hello neighbor reset day also take place in hn3

[wicked heath]

Its unsure

[halcyon osprey]

But

How does the Guest appear in the Beta of HN2

In the end

Doesnt make sense

[eager island]

scrapped storyline

[halcyon osprey]

Alr

[gusty flint]

I have a theory...The guest was a devout forest protecter but during a ritual he was attacked by the thing then it decided to become the guest as a disguise so he could further his goals, however the protecter died, then the thing took over theodore and thats how the guest came to be

[trail haven]

At what time in ep. 4?

No matter

I found it!!!

Yayyy!!!!

Cool Easter egg

I've never noticed

[ripe berry]

Otto's House is visible

[vagrant igloo]

... the forest protectors worship the guest

so...

also, the thing is not an entity

just a representation of fear and trauma

[gusty flint]

true

but knowing this game its posible

plus they dont worship the guest, the guy becomes the guest

[vagrant igloo]

They do as far as I know

Worship him I mean

[gusty flint]

oh

welp

thats my idea

or the guest is also a representation of fear and such

idk

cya

[amber wagon]

this is not my video*

[round hatch]

beta 2 has been available for a long time its not that interesting imo

[trail haven]

They do, but what if they worship him, and then he became the guest

[vagrant igloo]

But then there wouldn't be forest protectors if the guest wasn't there before

[trail haven]

They believed there was, and then he "came"

[willow depot]

Assuming that The Thing is a physical entity in 2025 is crazy work

[austere carbon]

ah ok thank you for the info I'm fully aware that these characters where talked about a while ago I just didn't have the info

[dusky turtle]

Whats the last and first year in the timeline we know of?

[dusty trench]

shout out to @versed yacht and @safe charm for some of the the ideas. Basically, the tale of the raven man and the things that the real guest have done were so impactful that later on down the line, people in the town took the guest as a representation of loss, pain, suffering, and regret. We see him tied in with this concpet alot in hello neighbor. First of all, GN2. A moment that stuck out with me was when regina went up to the picture of flan but then the guest apears out of no where and takes it away. And anither thing that is actaully from the games is in search and rescue when we see the guest chasing down Theodore and corners him into a room full of all of his regrets and losses and the sins he has done. The missing posters, his family dieing like the car crash, the amusement parks ( specifically the golden apple ). And it goes to show that Mr. Peterson instead of facing the consequences of his actions just chooses to run away beacuse of his fear pf what will happen. Him running away only causes more problems and causes him to become the monster himself. We see that in the end of HN1. And i believe we see this in HN2 aswell. In the forest section with the guest we find a newspaper basically confirming beatrix as quentins missing sister. And basically it takes quentin back to a time when he lost something he cared about, in a olace where only the guest stalks you. And mr peterson in the show says that he started this and now hes gonna finish it. So what ever Mr Peterson did before in the past to start everything, has soenthing to do with the guest. Basically Mr. Peterson sees the guest and the cult as a representation of his regrets, losses, pain, and suffering. And he sees himself as the guest. In GN2, we see Mr Peterson fighting the guest. And when he comes out he is the guest. I believe that he was having a mental fight with himself as a representation that apart of him knows that him running away from all his problems makes this worse.

not just for others, but himslef aswell

its the guest menatally attacking him which is why he sees himself as, “becoming the guest.” Because of his pain, loss, regret, and suffering, and sins. Him running away from all of that makes him more twisted.

i beleive guest neighbor ( better known as neighborlikevisitor ) is a representation of mr peterson becoming the monster himself because of all his actions and choices and fears. That monster being the guest, the raven man himself.

Thats why when we see the guest in any form of hello neighbor media hes portrayed or made out to be some supernatural creature or a thing.

and in reset day we see that theres a maustache under the beak. And the picture of mr peterson getting sent.

this theory isnt saying that Mr. Peterson is the guest, or that the guest is another the thing ( shadow man ) type of thing.

there still is a real guest. But i dont think everything we seen is 100% everything he did.

i beleive its more, symbolic.

like in search and rescue especailly.

we see the guest interact with aaron through out the game. But its more showing it in a weird “super natural” kinda way and showing things like dolls to show it in a spiritual sense. Even though we know it cant be supernatural.

because there is nothing super natural in raven brooks.

and in that game the guest did make a deal with aaron and we have officailky got that info.

in one of the live stream premeires ( can remember which one ) we gor messages from an account called the guest, which this account has commented before in other post with tinybuild confirming it to be real. It said something like a deal with aaron.

Im pretty sure i have pictures of all of them but im not sure so ill try to find them.

and from these we can tell that things are symbolic with the guest in games ans books. And even even in AS too because of the way the forest protectors are portrayed and designed because for fans when they first revealed it we thought it was guest. But it was actually forest protectors and they were also being shown as supernatural things and even maritza says it. And its clear they are symbolicly hinting at the guest even in AS.

we especailly know this becaue of alex saying the story will be grounded in AS. And that the guest will be revealed in a big way that ties the story together definitively.

And we also get a hint at HN2 with the guest saying wuentin is unaware of what hes doing. Or caused.

maybe we will see that in season 3.

also love how they spelled aaron wrong

im pretty sure these pictures are from a video. But i do remember seeing these posted.

and here are these post and messages.

and more

This connects to MAYAK/weather station and the hurricaines and storm in hello neighbor aswel. In search and rescue and GN2 and promotional art for HN2 ( like the deluxe edition art ) we see the hurricaines portrayed with the guest and memories, dreams and stuff all the time.

and loss, pain, suffering, and regret

especailly in search and recue we see and here the thunder and lighting getting worse in every guest dream nightmare world segment. And all of those have something to do with pain loss suffering regret and sin. And in GN2, Peterson was using the storm to destroy the town becaue he lost everything and feels like everyone else should lose there loved things important to them aswell. Them losing that stuff causes pain, suffering, loss. He was using a storm to cause all of that.

and in HN3 prototype which i know the full game isnt out yet but hear me out. When you start the festival in the town and everyone is happy, the storm goes away.

I think they are putting the storm element in with the representation of pain and stuff. That the impact of the storms was so big the towns folks took it as a representation of pain, loss, suffering, regret, and sin just like the guest. HN2 gives hints on how things work and what they mean or represent ( or trys to ). And HN3 shows the cause of all of it. Which changes everything. The colors in the town meaning something ( kinda ). Like when nikita said he wanted jacob and iris to have the blueish purple style. And characgers like signed and coned have that palish greeny gray style. While Mr Peterson has that dark dullish greenery kinda like mayak. Especailly with his eyes. It just shows the legacy of everything that impacted the town. They all represent the impact, and the emotion ( kind of ).

and the guest will have a role in this game.

I see it as, MAYAK/weather station is where it started. The hurricaines and storms are the pain, loss, suffering, regret, and sin as the dangerous force. The guest is the physical entity that is more symbolic in its nature of trying to persuade people.

and mr peterson is the person that shows that behavior of running away from your problems. pain, suffering, regret, loss, and sin. The one that is used the most to represent that behavior. And his problems keep coming back to him. His problem, the guest.

and i heard from someone else about an interesting theory of Mr peterons role in HN3. Basically, Mr. Peterson is the one causing the storm. And the more good you do in the town like helping people, doing the festival etc that makes it change, also changes Mr. Peterson from the guest, back to himself. Wee see this in GN2 when regina gives mr peterson positive influence to convince him to stop the storm. But then the rest happens.

Now what i mean by, turning back to his normal self is not literally changing him from the guest to the neighbor, but more in a symbolic sense.

that mr petersons mental state is whats making him the monster. Him always running away from his problems, and not facing his decisions. That just make him more twisted and, evil. Making him a monster like the guest. “Turning into the guest.”

we even see symbolic spiritual like stuff again in HN3’s icon and logo with the ouroburous.

buts its not literally sprititual or supernatural.

its symbolic representation.

and the books seem to tie into the more symbolic, representation, puzzle way of telling the story like the games. While still obviously still having story moments like the show because its a book.

which is kinda why they are a little confusing.

and we are yet to have seen the guest in the show which is really exciting to me.

i cant wait for that reveal they are setting up with MAYAK, and the guest. And how they are gonna portray the guest. I hope they really show alot more of who he is, and what the concept of the guest is. And MAYAK too since thats the finale.

[unkempt sleet]

Big text wall

Gotta read them all

[dusty trench]

yup

[balmy niche]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[eager island]

not exactly

its why the game is limited with few irl hours

the reason the town was half abandoned was because of a storm

like storm is a actual thing

[dry patio]

wow

[twin cobalt]

Why is every thing mispelled in hello neighbor and why do the characters only make sounds? That’s the question everyone wants to know does it fit in with the Russian culture?

[calm sentinel]

It’s just a style thing.

[rough mirage]

No, it doesn't fit into Russian culture
it's just that the developers did it as part of the style

[twin cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[dusty trench]

Yeah your right. I was saying that they are real but people in the town took it as the representation if loss, pain, suffering, regret, and sin because of the impact it had on the town as a whole. Kinda like what i was trying to say with the guest and raven man tale being impactful to the town that they took it as that. Which is why we see it in a weird supernatural way, even though it cant.

[dusty trench]

also symbolism is the only way i can describe or explain the, “inconsistensies” in the story. If you really look at the messgae most of the hello neighbor storys and especailly the games try to tell, is that its mostly symbolism in the games and books. But they are still canon becaue they represent the actual story in the canon.

also because of this.

the show. Being considered the “definitive story.” Which is why it ties directly into the games.

the games with the most symbolic representation is hello neighbor 1, hide and seek, and search and rescue.

the books with the most symbolism is, all of them lol.

but really GN2 and reset day, with the way that they portray the guest

[safe charm]

Well I don’t quite see it as that tbh

Personally as they say everything is canon

[dusty trench]

yeah, im adding onto the everything is canon because, everything is canon in hello neighbor. The devs and the creator have said that multiple times.

im just saying how. Or more speciafically, how it works.

[eager island]

its all about mayaaak

[dusty trench]

yeah.

and my text wall is about that too.

because thats where it all started.

[dusty trench]

and so they can put in more symbolism ( atleast from a story perspective ).

[unkempt sleet]

im not sure why you say this in lore discussion but ok

nvm its gone, now i look like replying to nothing

[oblique drum]

schizophrenia

[glass abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/donowall-emirsenol-talking-to-a-gif-2862963033702561513

[copper shore]

I think that the Guest was summoned by the forest protectors and they worship him, that's why they dress like crows. It's safe to assume he's not human (obviously) due to his clickity clackity noises and things.

He probably wears the robe when out of his "nest" or when he's outside, that's why there are 2 seperate models of him with and without the robe.

My theory for hello neighbor 2 "act 2" or patch 10 is that the guest will be in the town and most likely the main villain

besides the yapping i'd love to see the guest in hello neighbor patch 10 be like the hello neighbor 2 pre alpha - alpha 1.5 and maybe have an old arstyle

not the guest with old artstyle

the town

[dusty trench]

i was finna comment until i realized it was an april fools joke 😂

[wicked heath]

Can veterans remind me how we came to the Andrew-in—a-Coma theory? (Ignoring fear_hospital)

[ripe berry]

a little thing called

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6nBPauHc0g

I mean this is basically spelling it out

[willow depot]

also this lil' thing

[willow depot]

combine allat with the fact that the end goal door is titled as "EXIT" alongside that behind it is the scene of the car crash as shown in the cutscene, it's suggested that by entering it PAM aka PBO aka Andrew can go back to where he was

[wicked heath]

Thank you pear and mike. I just wanted to make sure i didnt miss anything

[willow depot]

Glad to know I helped!

[wicked heath]

I’ll be honest with you, the more I look at this keyart, the less it sense it makes to me. Like, could you help me get what the Neighbor’s doing? I know I’m dumb but I’m having a stroke making sense of this

[gusty flint]

kidnapping

also

Faust storyline and Family storyline should have bein used, that way the game would have bein better

[eager island]

no

[gusty flint]

wydm

[eager island]

faust story is not good

father-son meh

[gusty flint]

ikd

[eager island]

would prefer FG story

[gusty flint]

FG?

[eager island]

full game

[gusty flint]

ah

idk

its not that bad but the books, tv show, and comics make everything so hard to understand, cya

ima log off now

[willow depot]

Personally not a big plan of the faust storyline, I love the first alphas and the niche nice things they had, and I love PAM/PBO, but the story would be a bit... Meh unless they reworked it a bit

Father and son storyline is self-sufficient and self-contained, I like it a lot but that wouldn't really leave room for sequels and all considering that all loose ends get tied

[gusty flint]

(the thing:Have yall forgot me???)

[manic dirge]

he stuffed the crashed car in his car. And exits on the left side when hes on the right side of the car

[random axle]

LLOOORRREEE

[alpine cloak]

Hear me out:
Beatrix: finds young boy in abandoned school
The boy: is fox boy
Beatrix: takes him home to clean him up and find him a safe place
The boy: refuses to leave now
Beatrix: "how do you keep finding me!?"
The boy: big sister
Beatrix: gives up and adopts him
@burnt ibex

[burnt ibex]

I love her SM...

[alpine cloak]

Coul loves her too

[alpine cloak]

Beatrix needs a friend so bad

[burnt ibex]

Gerda could make some sense idk

[burnt ibex]

Since she's connected to her

[alpine cloak]

Being the only ladies fair enough

Other than the librarian

Wanna help us shoot the mayor and destroy all gates? [Beatrix is helping cus he hurt the birb]

[burnt ibex]

Ofc

[alpine cloak]

Your my new friend

You have no choice

/j

[burnt ibex]

Fr

[alpine cloak]

Coul stalks Beatrix but it's so cute

Just a small child waddling behind all the time

I feel like Beatrix would like classical music but also like country music

[tribal talon]

Guys can someone explain to me the shadow guy

[eager island]

its a metaphorical reprenstation of trauma and fear

but not a physical entity

like characters cant see it

they just feels it

[twin cobalt]

HELLO,
NEIGHBOR!

Originally the title of hello neighbor

[pine oasis]

Was it not also with an U? HELLO, NEIGHBOUR!

[tribal talon]

the new ones got
the
"hello neighbo'r"
with an > ' <

[deft raven]

Imagine they make a game based on Mr Peterson and just show his life/backstory

[eager island]

hide and seek

[vagrant igloo]

...

[faint nacelle]

hi

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-noisy-hello-neighbour-neighbor-neighbour-gif-233887133729911524

https://tenor.com/view/theodore-peterson-hello-neighbor-hello-guest-secret-neighbor-hello-neighbor-2-gif-10251368600671785667

[wicked heath]

[stiff spire]

very lore

[shy siren]

fr fr no cap on god slaying vibes yes fr fr

[tame quartz]

Does hello neighbor take place before or after Reset Day?

[balmy niche]

If you say hn3, after

[gusty flint]

cool idea, I had an Idea for a game called "Hello neighbor Lost Nostalgia" that has all builds of hn in it

[vagrant igloo]

sounds cool but it would hafta be an official game otherwise you are basically giving away the full games too

[steady escarp]

Timeloops being a thing in HN,

"everything is canon" And in some stories and comics, the guest is the neighbor.

Could that mean the guest is the neighbor that somehow managed to survive the first cycle of the loop?

Somehow surviving and not being affected by it, causing him to move on to the next cycle and next cycle

Obviously no alternate timelines, but one singular storyline that keeps resetting and each time there's something slightly different about it

But the guest isn't affected by the reset

same guy from the first cycle

[vagrant igloo]

Neighbor is not the guest

[steady escarp]

Yes and no

[vagrant igloo]

That was scrapped

The comic is outdated

[steady escarp]

"Everything is canon"

Yes that includes the books too

[vagrant igloo]

That would mean the alphas are canon

Which they aren't

[steady escarp]

you know dang well thats a terrible comparison

Show me the part where they said

its not canon

show me where they said the book is not canon anymore

Thats the only way it would make sense

[vagrant igloo]

Yes the books are canon, but the storyline of guest neib was before HN2 full game I believe

That storyline was for rotm and hg

[steady escarp]

The guest is the neighbor in some of the books.

One of the pages described the guest as a person with an mustache underneath

even in the comics of the books

it showed the neighbor as the guest

[vagrant igloo]

Still

[steady escarp]

The only way this can make sense

[vagrant igloo]

Scrapped

[steady escarp]

Yeah the original hello guest storyline

[vagrant igloo]

He is not the guest

[steady escarp]

but clearly its shown in the books

Thats the thing im tryna understand.

Because if the books are canon, and in some stories, the guest is the neighbor,

the only explanation of this

[vagrant igloo]

But he's not in the game

[steady escarp]

Of the whole guest's identity

[vagrant igloo]

And there aren't multiple universes

[steady escarp]

is that the neighbor survived the timeloop.

A timeloop isn't a multiverse

[vagrant igloo]

In hn3 neib is 6ft and the guest is 12ft

[steady escarp]

Its a reset of the SAME timeline the MAIN storyline

[vagrant igloo]

Explain that

[steady escarp]

we haven't even seen the guest

so i dont know

[vagrant igloo]

Tall guy is

The guest

[steady escarp]

No he isn't dude

we dont know

[vagrant igloo]

We have his rig

It has a beak

It has a beak pointing up

Like people thought

We know it's a beak also because the bones are named beak bones

[steady escarp]

The neighbor could have just turned into a monster then. After so many timeloops and him living through it alone, prolly just lost his mind and thats how we have the guest.

Guest being the neighbor from the first cycle, oaand surviving the whole reset, is the only explanation I have for WHY he is the neighbor in some of the books.

[vagrant igloo]

Why would a time loop clone him

[steady escarp]

To put it simply, he turned into a monster and lost his mind After so much resets.

[steady escarp]

Not clone.

More like

[vagrant igloo]

But he is still in hn3 as a normal guy

[steady escarp]

The neighbor from the FIRST reset surviving the whole thing = the guest

That would mean there is 2 neighbors

running around

its not a clone.

[vagrant igloo]

Well by definition

Yes

It's a clone

2 neibs

[steady escarp]

Nah.

More like

[vagrant igloo]

Just face that neib isn't the guest

There is a reason that neighbor for trailer was skinny

To match guest proportions

Cuz he was guest

But he isn't skinny

Cuz that was scrapped

[steady escarp]

Thats not what I am talking about. Proportions.

Lets say this, as an example meeting yourself from an alternate timeline, is NOT cloning

And there is no alternate timeline

btw

im using that as an example

now apply that to the guest. The version of the neighbor from the FIRST cycle that survived every reset, The only one that wasn't affected, and eventually just lost his mind and became the horrifying creature.

[vagrant igloo]

He isnt the guest. He just isn't. That was a scrapped storyline. Reset day came out in 2021 and HN2 full game came out in 2022

[steady escarp]

2 neighbors but two completely differen't versions.

[steady escarp]

Well then they would say the books aren't canon anymore

They didn't say that

They said

ALL of it is canon

Everything

its just a theory though

[vagrant igloo]

It was scrapped

He isnt the guest. He just isn't. That was a scrapped storyline. Reset day came out in 2021 and HN2 full game came out in 2022

The lore changed

[steady escarp]

"Everything is CANON"

Thats the thing im trying to make sense of

The GAME storyline is scrapped

that PROTOTYPE story is scrapped

The BOOK story is not

The books are CANON.

And in some of the books, the guest is the neib.

And im trying to find an explanation for that because the book is canon

As we can see here its confirmed from the creator every MEDIA is canon

[vagrant igloo]

That was in 2024.
All the books and the novels came out in 2021
HN2 came out in 2022.
The books are canon, but the storyline of guest being neib is no longer canon

[dusty trench]

i feel like to add onto this conversation i feel like yall should read my messge and take on how everything is canon as well as the weather station/ mayaks connection to storms and hurricaines, and how the guest and mr peterson connect to that aswell as why everything is suoer symbolic in hello neighbor especailly in the books and games.

[dusty trench]

Im not gonna re type all of that so just read the message walls.

anyways im hopping offline rn so ill reply to commensy tomorrow. See yah 👋.

[safe charm]

Well everything in those book is Canon

Including him possessing the Neighbor

[vagrant igloo]

GUYS neib is NOT the guest!!!

[safe charm]

Hes not but guest possessed him

As that is shown in graphic novel 2

[vagrant igloo]

Thank you!

Exactly

[safe charm]

Guest being Neighbor was scrapped after hg

Nikita Said by the hn2 alpha’s he wasn’t the Neighbor