lore-discussion

[willow depot]

honestly if it'd really happen Jay would be the best parent across the HN multiverse

[shell gull]

Darby knowing the future since he’s from the future was such a cool idea that never fully got fleshed out, since Quentin got drastically changed through the Lore to fit with AS instead of RD.

[shell gull]

Ah Jay, I remember when there was a Jay Roth Cult in the Server.

[willow depot]

because the other "parents representation" we had is really fricking irritating mother who blames everything on her daughter

guess who it is and you'll win a million shirt buttons

[versed yacht]

that's the weird thing about darby though, he's from the past, yet somehow knows all about the future

which is like

really cool but strange

[shell gull]

That’s why Quentin was going to be the explanation, with Ted being the focus antagonist, and him building a Time Loop Machine in RD, explains Quentin being Darby as the vision.

[brittle olive]

Wait what

HN2?

Didn't Nikita confirm he had nothing planned in HN2 related with time travel or timeloops?

Beatrix being a security guard would be much better than her just being a plot device for quentin and nothing else

[fickle garden]

I think the only time time travel has actually appeared was in Hello Neighbor: The Last Neighbor.

[limber hornet]

TIME TRAVEL?

if you told 7 year old me this back in 2016

i would be tweaking

[wicked heath]

Book 7 confused the hell out of me

Timeloopd are dum

[limber hornet]

games when it comes to having a timeline in order of the games/books that comes out

https://tenor.com/view/happy-but-no-1122-happy-but-no-gif-6702548343559428734

[shell gull]

Iirc there was something, I can’t find the exact message screenshot, so idk.

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[cedar forum]

True

[brittle olive]

Well if that's true than i don't think he meant time travel

Or time loops

Maybe he meant smth like act 3 which take place wy after

[shell gull]

Doubt it, especially when the main thing of HN2 was how it was supposed to connect to RD.

[brittle olive]

Nah

Nikita said he didn't have any plans for these time related stuff

In HN 2

He likes his stories grounded

[shell gull]

Right but obviously after he left that was the direction planned.

[brittle olive]

Wait

You mean in beta era?

The game was supposed to take place in different times?

[shell gull]

Eh no.

[shell gull]

Do you not know about the Quentin is Darby thing?

[brittle olive]

Yes ig

But what about it

[shell gull]

That’s how HN2 was supposed to connect to RD, which was sometime Pre-Beta

Before the drastic change.

[brittle olive]

Oooohh

So wait

Quentin time travels into the Future?

With a different name?

[shell gull]

Into the past.

That’s why Darby knew about the future.

He’s from the future.

[brittle olive]

So was that supposed to be the end reveal

[shell gull]

Yup in someway.

But never ended up happening.

[brittle olive]

Interesting

Wait

[shell gull]

And left the Books hanging.

[brittle olive]

If the games was supposed to take place in different times

[shell gull]

That’s why RD was supposed to be the final book, HN2 would explain the rest.

[brittle olive]

Was each act changing in times?

[shell gull]

Not really.

[brittle olive]

Really sad it ended up explaining absolutely nothing

[shell gull]

Quentin ended up stuck in his own Time Loop, that’s why he keeps trying to change the Past as Darby, by helping Adelle and Roger, or telling Aaron what to do, but ultimately he can’t change the inevitable.

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[shell gull]

In a way HN2 still carried the core thing about Quentin, that him going to RB would cost him everything.

[brittle olive]

It cost his whole life

[shell gull]

It’s a really depressing thing.

Quentin didn’t deserve any of it.

[brittle olive]

It is

[shell gull]

Just trying to do the right thing.

[brittle olive]

But also interesting

Nicky ended up living because he moved on

He moved on from the past

[shell gull]

Quentin pushed for the truth.

[brittle olive]

While Quentin didn't

And ended up stuck in his own past

[shell gull]

Yup.

[brittle olive]

I think there was a quote that Theo said in GN2

I think it was something like "before i wanted to change the past, but eventually you realize you can't change the inevitable"

That probably was referring to that

[shell gull]

Also originally Quentin wasn’t supposed to be replacement transfer for MITH/M.J. he actually signed up for a program called the “Author Program” it was supposed to be a program for Journalist and such to make a name for themselves in different places, by sending them to a area to do so, Quentin signed up for it and was assigned at RB.

[shell gull]

Perfectly aligned with Quentin.

[brittle olive]

Nicky moved on from the past, Quentin didn't and got stuck in his own, and Peterson also tried to move on

But the past always got back to him

[shell gull]

A teaser a while back of said “Author Program”

RB was one of the Towns apart of the program.

[brittle olive]

Theo couldnt change the past and he knew it, so he decided to inflict the same pain he felt into others

As the guest

[shell gull]

Well Ted couldn’t no matter what.

[brittle olive]

Such an interesting story honestly

Wish we got that instead

[shell gull]

There’s the one consistent thing between Nicky (Book version) and Quentin they both let their curiosity get the better of them.

[brittle olive]

"curiosity kills the cat"

[shell gull]

Yeah wish it happened but honestly with how HN does its storytelling it would’ve been hard to do.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[brittle olive]

Also wish HN had a better storytelling because good god

[shell gull]

VA would make it so much easier but without it sucks, especially with “Wayron Croobian”

[brittle olive]

I mean, HN can have a good storytelling without VA

Obviously it's a bit harder

But it's possible, it's just that everything is told in such a way

It's too cryptic for anyone to understand it

[shell gull]

Nicky ended up stuck in Peterson basement for his curiosity and wandering nature, Quentin would end up stuck in a inevitable fate of time he can’t change (Original idea), and in the FG he suffered the same consequences as MITH/M.J. for his curiosity believing he was doing the right thing.

[shell gull]

They push theory bait way too much.

[brittle olive]

Yep

[shell gull]

Also don’t know if you noticed this, when that was the original plan, what was Darby’s nickname in the books? “Puzzle master” because he’s super good at puzzles…what’s the one key feature about Quentin that helps him do everything? Solving puzzles.

[brittle olive]

This is the quote that he said from GN2 "We all have our lot in life. I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you? All you can do is build a new future. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?"

[brittle olive]

Oh?

Was he called that in reset day?

[shell gull]

We don’t hear anything on Darby in RD.

[brittle olive]

So

Was he called that in the book puzzle master?

[shell gull]

Yup, Puzzle Master is literally named after Darby.

[brittle olive]

Oooohhh

that is interesting

[shell gull]

Aaron would communicate with Darby through the daily Puzzles in the Banner newspapers.

[brittle olive]

Really interesting how Darby was around since than

Im assuming he moved out from RB before Nicky moved in

[shell gull]

Also most Important detail is the end of the Aaron Trilogy with Darbys last message to Aaron on the newspaper being “The red key will set you free, Trust Narf”

Narf being Nicky’s nickname from his parents.

Darby knew that the red key would be the basement key to get out, and also knew Nicky would be his saving grace.

[brittle olive]

Holy shit that is so cool

[shell gull]

He knew all of it because he’s seen it already.

He’s investigated it already.

As Quentin from the future.

[brittle olive]

Sooo

He used the Mayak to time travel didn't he?

Is that how "everything connects or smth?"

[shell gull]

Well eh kinda, in RD we figure out that Ted created a Time Loop machine of sorts that trapped RD in a loop, which is how HN2 was going to connect with Ted and the device he’d make causing Quentin to get sent through time.

[shell gull]

That’s only with what they did with AS.

Still don’t know what that means.

[brittle olive]

Interesting

Do we know how he made the time machine?

Timeloop i mean?

[shell gull]

Nope.

[shell gull]

All we know is The Guest was using Ted to create it and gain power for himself.

[brittle olive]

Hmmmmm

So maybe it's related to the mayak?

Used it to power the machine or smth

Wasn't there like

"magical crystals"?

[shell gull]

Possibly, there’s theories that he used luck devices after learning how to construct one.

[shell gull]

Luck devices?

[brittle olive]

Oh so they're the same thing

[shell gull]

In AS the luck devices are the coins but they just give bad luck, in the books you can transfer good luck or bad luck onto somebody.

[brittle olive]

Yeah ik

[shell gull]

Since Roger and Adelle were after The Cult they used the devices to curse Petersons family with bad luck, which is why everything in his life ended up going wrong.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[brittle olive]

Also know that

It's just taht i heard people talking about "magical crystals"

In reset day

Guess that's not real

[shell gull]

Ohhhh

Ik

The amulets I’m pretty sure?

[brittle olive]

Amulets?

[shell gull]

They were used because they would make the Time Loop not work for you, since everyone gets reset every so many days it would counter it and not reset you in the Loop.

We actually see one in the Pilot for AS.

[brittle olive]

So the cult probably had these right?

And Theo

[shell gull]

Not sure, it’s never explained the origins.

I gtg now

[brittle olive]

I thought this was a really early design for the luck devices

Anyways Gn

[silver vine]

infinity stone

https://tenor.com/view/time-stone-gif-11852600

[nimble jetty]

Full HN timeline

HN1 act 1 and 2 and HN2 - 1996

HN3 - early or mid 2000s probably

HN1 act 3 - 2015 or 2017

[shell gull]

I mean, you were close but not really.

There isn’t even a timeline.

Can’t make a timeline when everything Lore is canon.

[shell gull]

If you want to do the Games it would be:

-HNHS 1995

-HN1 Act 1 1996

-SN and HE 1996

-HNVR 1996

-HN2 1996

-HN1 Act 3-4 20.. (Possibly 2017)

-HND 20.. (After Act 3-4)

-HN3 (Most likely based on what we’ve seen takes place after everything else)

[eager island]

hide and seek 95

[brittle olive]

Hnd happens right after act 3 and 4 so probably 2017 aswell

[eager island]

hn2 is literally 96

that means hn1 is 96 too

hnvr sn is also 96

[shell gull]

Right right.

[shell gull]

Mhm

[brittle olive]

So that means act 3 is 2015 right?

[eager island]

or nikita just couldn't do math

[shell gull]

2015 to 2017 is the assumption

[brittle olive]

Same

[eager island]

iirc he said its after 19 years on youtube

it was youtube Q&A

[brittle olive]

Ngl but act 3 gives me heavy 2017 to 2019 vibes

[shell gull]

RD is sometime 2021

[eager island]

reset day is 2021

[wicked heath]

Dam u

[lone star]

in WTRB does the neighbor help the Crowfaces? cause I heard the crowfaces say ||"lets get rid of Peterson he's no use anymore"?||

[nimble jetty]

Nah HN3 most likely takes place before Act 3 of HN1

[eager island]

they weren't killing him for the black book

but now the black book is in their hands

so they can kill him

[brittle olive]

They said that because they already got his book

And letting Theo alive would just slow them down because he will still try to stop them at all costs

[lone star]

ah okay, but I'm a bit confused. he mentioned when Trinity came to see him in jail that they "would've been safe in his basement if he didn't get caught" that would be true because the crow faces wouldn't be able to get to them right? (I'm not saying they wouldn't suffer childhood trauma in the future, look at what happened to Nicky)

[eager island]

yea yea i guess

[brittle olive]

Well yeah

That is true

They are indeed safer isolated in Peterson's basement where they won't get hurt rather than in a town full of cultists trying to kill them at every corner

[lone star]

I'm wondering what would be worse, on the first hand being isolated in Peterson's basement without any human interaction would drive you mad (we see this in nicky) but on the other hand you would be constantly trying to escape the Crowfaces who will stop at nothing to try and kill you/ use you

[shell gull]

Doubt it, there’s a lot that makes it seem different, also there’s not much of anything on when it could be.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[nimble jetty]

Well that’s what I believe since the looks make the Neighbor look about 60 not 70

[shell gull]

The neighbors walking around using his shovel as a cane, his face is dried up and his eyes are wrinkled up, he’s very very old.

[nimble jetty]

People in their 60s can look like that too

[shell gull]

There’s nothing on his age except that he’s very old.

Anything about his age or anything about when the game takes place is just assumption.

[silver vine]

Who pinged me

[shell gull]

Have no idea.

[brittle olive]

Both are bad but atleast If you're trapped in Theo's basement you'll eventually be saved anyways

Even if it costs your sanity

[brittle olive]

That is extremely unlikely

[nimble jetty]

Idk bro

The Neighbor doesn’t seem over 72 in the leaks but he also doesn’t look under 60

[brittle olive]

Ok?

Act 3 takes place 19 years after HN1 and HN 2

Theo is very old already

Most likely in his 60s

Which means he is probably in his early to mid 60s in HN 3

[crude dew]

the basement ironically is the safest place in RB in the cartoon
just don't go near that guest door

[nimble jetty]

He is 51 in HN1

19 years later would make him 70 in act 3

It was confirmed he is 51

So if the Neighbor is in his 60s in HN3 it would take place before act 3

But act 3 is also said to be 2017

That means it can’t be 19 years later from 1996

It has to be 21 years later even tho it was confirmed it was 19 years later

[eager island]

whos saying neighbor is 60

[nimble jetty]

Loafkat

[brittle olive]

You said it first lol

[brittle olive]

Than that means he's in his 70's

[nimble jetty]

Well that’s before I knew it was confirmed to be 19-21 years later

[brittle olive]

In HN 3

[nimble jetty]

He does not look 70 to me

Not one bit

[brittle olive]

Keyword: to you

If HN3 is after HN1 and 2 then his in 70's

I don't see why HN3 would not be after HN1

[nimble jetty]

It is after HN1

Just not after HN1 act 3

[brittle olive]

If it's not after act 3 or 4 than it's not after HN3

[nimble jetty]

What

[brittle olive]

I meant HN1

[nimble jetty]

Well then based on your logic HN2 also isn’t after HN1

[brittle olive]

It isn't 😭

It's after act 2 bruh

[nimble jetty]

And why can’t HN3 have the same logic?

[brittle olive]

"it's still after HN1, just not after act 3" bro that doesn't exist

[brittle olive]

It can

But that's unlikely

HN3 seems to take place after everything

Wouldn't make much sense to be before act 3 at all

[nimble jetty]

Well it’s not confirmed when it takes place

[brittle olive]

Yes

[nimble jetty]

But I believe it’s before act 3

[brittle olive]

Which is why these are only assumptions

[brittle olive]

Well i believe it's after because it makes sense

The whole atmosphere screams "Future"

[nimble jetty]

Act 3 also screams future since it looks more dark and run down too

Not as much

But that’s because act 3 is Raven Brook’s old design

[brittle olive]

Obviously

But what i mean is

HN3 looks like far in the future

Everything is ran down like act 3

Few people are still in the town

Maybe we'll see Nicky again in It

[nimble jetty]

Yeah but HN3 is half abandoned
And if there are few people in town still that’s under half

[nimble jetty]

I mean there might be a reference to him

[nimble jetty]

In HN2 we see a city next to Raven Brooks

Which is most likely where Nicky moves into his apartment

[brittle olive]

With few people i mean less than it originally had

[little lodge]

It is, that's the Big City from HN1 and HN2 and that is where Nicky moved to and was in at the start of Act 3

[brittle olive]

The town is also half abandoned in act 3 because we hear someone on a bike passing by

[brittle olive]

I want to see him as an NPC

[nimble jetty]

I mean

Wouldn’t it be weird to see his model in the new HN style with the shorter torsos and smaller head and longer arms since he doesn’t look like that

Unless they give Nicky a design change

[brittle olive]

His design will obviously be different to fit the style of the game

And he'll probably look older too

[eager island]

what if Nicky turned into a vandal?

[brittle olive]

Hmmm

Well i like to think he's like Jacob

[nimble jetty]

Nicky is the Signed

They both have long noses /j

[brittle olive]

He works in the park as a security guard but at the same time invades and robs peoples houses

[nimble jetty]

I wanna see old Quentin

Old man Quentin

[brittle olive]

Well Quentin is dead

[nimble jetty]

We don’t know that

[brittle olive]

And with old i don't mean like old old

I mean just like

He has a beard or smth

[brittle olive]

HN2 ending:

And before you say "patch 10 happened" no it didnt

Patch 10 is scrapped content

And scrapped content is not canon

[nimble jetty]

He was probably in his 20s or 30s in HN2 so he would be like hold old when Nicky is 32 nineteen years later?

[nimble jetty]

That ended on a cliffhanger

He is presumed dead

At least

[brittle olive]

Yes because it was supposed to have more

[nimble jetty]

See we don’t know if he died

[brittle olive]

But we'll never truly know what was supposed to happen to him

So now the most logical assumption is that he's dead

[brittle olive]

Well patch 10 didn't happen soooo

[nimble jetty]

It would be cool if there was a side quest in HN3 like the church in HN2 where you can save Quentin

[brittle olive]

I don't see why he woudl be alive

[brittle olive]

Quentin is dead

The cult killed him

Just like they did with MJ

[nimble jetty]

Who

[brittle olive]

Missing Journalist, he was the one before Quentin

[nimble jetty]

Also I refuse to believe my mustached boy is dead

[brittle olive]

The cult captured and killed him

And Quentin replaced him

[brittle olive]

Well that's on you

He's still dead

[crude dew]

because he isn't lol
he was put in limbo, like many other characters
it's like putting the jam on the shelf, you're not opening it, you just let it rest

[dusky hemlock]

for alpha 4

who do you think shadow man is

because for me i could be mr petersons wife looking down at him

he just does not realise

[nimble jetty]

No he is canonically the embodiment of Nicky Roth’s fears and trauma

[nimble jetty]

I also think HN3 takes place before HN1 act 3 because the act 3 Neighbor house seems like a it burned down

While we know the house will still be here in HN3 possibly

So maybe in HN3 we will see the Neighbors house burn down

[brittle olive]

We didn't even see his house in HN3

And it's probably burned down

[nimble jetty]

But wouldn’t it be better if it took place before act 3 so we see how his house burns down

And I’m pretty sure we do in screenshots

[brittle olive]

No

Patch 10 was supposed to explain that

The storm arrived and destroyed the town

A bunch of houses we're on fire

[dusky hemlock]

true

[wicked heath]

Its not a mystery anymore

[blazing kiln]

I don't really think that the AS is canon (in my opinion)

Is more like, for example: The FNAF movie (in my opinion)

[silver vine]

They said everything is canon

[blazing kiln]

Ok but as i said

in my opinion

[silver vine]

I accept your opinion

But the fact is that everything is canon

They've said it a million times by now

[blazing kiln]

I mean, HN1 and 2 happens in 1997

And they have phones in the AS

[shell gull]

Everything HN Lore Media is canon, even if they don’t make sense together, which makes most of everything only work as a standalone when it comes to Lore.

[shell gull]

He’s nobody, he’s the manifestation of Nicky’s trauma and fear that’s all in Nicky’s head, not a real person or anything more than that.

[woeful orchid]

Guys, Mr Peterson is actually the Neighbor!

[eager island]

whos the neighbor

[dry patio]

Everyones asking whos the neighbor but whos the hello

[crude dew]

everyone asking who is the neighbor, but never how is the neighbor

[willow depot]

how is the neighbor

I think it speaks for itself how he is when he has a task dedicated to sitting sadly on his porch steps in Act 3

poor man

[brittle olive]

He kidnapped children

[willow depot]

Consider the fact that he wouldn't have to kidnap children if a bunch of crow cosplayers didn't curse his son

Also his brother got murdered

Also his parents got murdered

Also his best friend got murdered

[raw fractal]

no but hes the good innocent guy!

its not like theres barely any pieces of HN media that portrayed Ted as the good guy

[crude dew]

I'm literally getting into a new sick arc from people who are like "ok but character did x mistake, so the suffering/harassment they get is justified" NO IT IS NOT. suffering being justified? I'm laughing at yo face. I'll be tldr

if I put 3 of my kids on the streets of Raven Brooks and nobody has any kind of shit going on and the kids just touch the grass, Peterson as FATHER, would bring them to my house, asking me, why I put the children on the street, because it is irresponsible.
fandom's mischaracterizations sometimes reaches new lows.

[crude dew]

if you just list each bad thing that happens to the title character, it is kinda hilarious
in a negative context..there is so many bad things, I just refuse to believe it, it is unreal

[brittle olive]

He's still did it tho

Theo suffered but he also isn't totally innocent

[brittle olive]

Who cares about kidnapping when you can just move out of town 🧠

[shut hill]

🧌

[willow depot]

Okay but Aaron is still cursed

And unless Ted wants to be called evil by loafKats for the rest of his life for keeping him in the basement he better do something about that

And you know the artifacts and the forest protectors are ONLY in Raven Brooks to our knowledge

[willow depot]

You're saying that as if he kidnaps children for a hobby

No he doesn't, it's the ankle biters who keep breaking into his property

[versed yacht]

tbf thats like saying it's justified

[glacial whale]

Kidnapping? I think Nicky volunteered to be held in the basement

Cause he lets himself get caught in the basement in act 1 when he could’ve clearly super thrown an object knocking Ted down and escaped

[woeful orchid]

He still got a sister in another state :D

[brittle olive]

That's not what i said lol

[brittle olive]

Yeah i didn't call Theo evil lol

I Said he isn't innocent

[next moat]

Fr. I feel like even tho he has been through a lot bc of guests and his cultist. I wouldn't say Peterson is innocent and that he had some dark secrets that tinybuild themselves needs to explore more. Don't you think?

[brittle olive]

All of Peterson's story was already explored

We know everything he had in the basement

We know his past and we know what his goal is

[next moat]

Right. And what is his goal exactly if you don't mind me asking?

[brittle olive]

Defeating the cult and destroying their plans as revenge

[next moat]

Okay so like in AS

[brittle olive]

Yes

[next moat]

Yeah.

[dry patio]

The past is in the book that everyone should read (secrets of bosco bay)

[frigid pumice]

Where does the graphic novels take plsce in the books?

Bc if i want to read it chronologically

It would be

4,5,6,1,2,3,7

[brittle olive]

I think secret of bosco Bay is the first or one of the firsts in the timeline and Raven Brooks Disaster is one of the lasts happening before reset day and maybe HN3 aswell

[frigid pumice]

oh alr

[eager island]

GN1 before bad blood
GN2 before reset day

[crude dew]

how do we know?

[wicked heath]

One is literally about Peterson’s first park

AND has a date

The other is OBVIOUSLY before Reset Day

[shell gull]

She doesn’t exist in AS.

[shell gull]

GN2 is what leads up to RD basically.

Also why the town is worn down and decrepit.

[golden rose]

im still asking if the lore is all books or the games

[brittle olive]

The lore is everything

[golden rose]

k

thats so god damn confusing

[crude dew]

lore is everything altogether sadly 😩
I can give you help with the games' lore cuz I have videos about that, I didn't touch the books lore yet

[frigid pumice]

Who is his bestfriend

[frigid pumice]

By the crows?

[eager island]

ike

[frigid pumice]

Oh

[willow depot]

Ike Gershowitz not to be confused with Quentin Lastname

[eager island]

this guy

[eager island]

at the same time

[frigid pumice]

Yeye ik him

[willow depot]

they went missing right after creating/discovering the storm luck artifact thingies

[frigid pumice]

And ted has a sister???

For books?

[eager island]

yep

lisa

[eager island]

and as far as i remember she wasn't even mentioned in the aaron trilogy

meaning she most likely never existed

[golden rose]

ngl i always thought that was quentins dad

years later and now with the show shadow thing is so confusing is it sentient like something Mr. Peterson made a deal with like a devil or is it a shadow of trauma that only Nicky Roth and Mr. Peterson see?

[golden rose]

i have the theory that he is the one that hit us out at the end of hn2

[eager island]

probably no

he was killed by cultists and the person who hit Quentin was a cultist

[eager island]

only nicky see

[golden rose]

thanks lol

[brittle olive]

Does Quentin have a full name?

[willow depot]

Nope

[shell gull]

No, it’s exactly the same as it always was, it’s Nicky’s imagination and him hallucinating because of his trauma.

[next moat]

Imagine if all the hello neighbor characters have their own game! Would that be totes sigma?

[next moat]

I don't understand that

[shell gull]

There isn’t a way to understand it, it’s just how it is.

Anything HN Lore Media is canon.

That also means most of everything is a standalone.

[woeful orchid]

She appeared only in the 2nd book from Nicky trilogy for a brief moment

Soo, technically she exists, but doesnt play an important role

maybe Aaron and Mya didnt even know her

[eager island]

they were needed by Lisa for a scene like the phones in AS and were used as plot device

[woeful orchid]

true. But if they add a character, doesnt mean the character doesnt exist. she exists, but not important

[crude dew]

still can't believe that Ike-Quentin pulled a Player-Nicky, the very same happened with his character 😭
can they settle with one storyline finally and communicate with their writers, so people will write the same-

[frigid pumice]

I wish they continued hn2

🥲

[willow depot]

Even Player-Nicky had it better, as many times as he changed there was either not a LOT of stuff set in stone that would need to be retconned or things would get retexturalizing

Meanwhile every cohesive Quentin variant was written into a book before the game even released

And NONE of them were used for the release

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-crying-sad-sobbing-gif-12178659

I just don't understand, how they managed to do what they did to the Quentins...

[willow depot]

truthfully speaking Norman is just Quentin but as an actual character

he has his little quirks and a gimmick

Quentin is just a stand-in for the player with an excuse to snoop everywhere (ooo he works at the Banner ooo oo)

also something something dead sister

[crude dew]

yeah, his look almost 1:1 matches the journalist Quentin
so confusing
I liked Norman, he was a cool dude, there was a character development there

[crude dew]

dead sister was added so recently to the plot and it kinda shows (not saying as negative, I'm just...saying)
like they tried to create a purpose and a bg story for him, but...sometimes you don't need it

[dusky hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-deformed-sad-ree-stop-gif-4549802191729888095

[willow depot]

I never thought that we'd need to clarify that when we said we wanted Smith and Beatrix in the game we meant it in ANY WAY BUT "imply that they exist but as dead rotting corpses"

Ike and Norman could slide as seperate existing npcs if their designs were tweaked a bit

[crude dew]

yeah like 😭 I legit don't say "oh I wish they were back" anymore, because bluds were put to graves, and the worst part is that I once mentioned this "scrapped characters could fill the cemetery" idea somewhere, idk where...

I kinda want Peterson to have at least one friend, poor man. for example if you switched Ike and Franklin in the AS plot, nothing would change, just a personality switch, events would play out the same, and then they could've said "here is Ike" (he isn't relevant anymore anyway, neither is HN2)
there was potential again ..

[willow depot]

yup

[harsh island]

Hn

[golden rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor-guest-quentin-gif-14367060730949469270

[heavy sigil]

I see your new here! Welcome.

And hello.

[stiff stream]

Me 7 years ago when the strange buzz light year chin man had a basement:

[crude dew]

I'll finish the lore videos I've started, because MY work is in them. if you people watch them, thank you very much. but other than that, I'm avoiding this community,because the way some treat people, is insufferable.

[willow depot]

True words unfortunately

Will be waiting for more of your content

[eager island]

she got banned ig

[willow depot]

I think she just left

[eager island]

why would she

[willow depot]

I mean she said it

[eager island]

she or they dont know btw

[eager island]

where

[willow depot]

"I'm avoiding this community,because the way some treat people, is insufferable."

call that "avoiding"

[eager island]

my freaking eyes

[willow depot]

it's okay

[eager island]

yea i know that drama

so that drama happened about a year ago, is it still going on?

it may be older, I've lost my sense of time

[willow depot]

I wish I knew what drama you're talking about

well maybe partly not but

[eager island]

a half-banned team had a drama-ish thing with remi and a HNG moderator and can't give too much detail for yk reasons

lets move on hello neighbor topic

[heavy sigil]

I’ve seen you have the role TinyClub, how do you get that, is it like a subscription that allows you and other members a bunch of benefits?

[eager island]

monthly subscription

[heavy sigil]

Ah, ok thanks.

[next moat]

Ok

[tardy token]

How will things end in the hello neighbor franchise? Everything burns like Fnaf 6 ending?

[brittle olive]

Bruh 😭

First of no this isnt fnaf and second of all we have no idea how the franchise Will end bruh

[reef orbit]

At this rate it will never end

If they keep making unfinished games with cliffhangers that don't continue the story we're never gonna get anywhere 😭 🙏

[eager island]

what does this mean?

[safe charm]

This is one of the things that is making me not really wanna talk about hn lore as much as i used too not because its bad but because lot of things now just doesn’t make sense to me anymore

But its mainly The guest for me Like we havs reset day clearly showing theodore is the guest but that gets contredicted by litteraly everything else

And hnvr showing guest as an deal making entity gets contredicted because hes not supernarural so Like what is going on with the guest? And it Doesnt help alex Said guest Lore was rewriten for the AS and hn2

[reef orbit]

from what I understand there are 2 lores
hn1, hnh&s, sn (maybe? that might've changed) and the books
then when alex took over (or nikita left? not entirely sure what happened here) they for some reason rewrote the story for hn2 and the as

they don't connect people have pointed out on multiple occasions that it doesn't yet they still believe that it's all cannon

[safe charm]

Well now Nikita is back

So what lore is hn3?

[reef orbit]

I really hope he goes back to the old story

cuz the new one sucks

I've seen the entire AS twice

it's bad

hn2 doesn't give us anything

so I don't see a reason to care about it anymore

I'm happy with the old story

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think theres old or new story

[reef orbit]

there's no way y'all think that

like

I'll wait

I still follow hn

and I'm waiting to see what they do

but right now

I'm not convinced

[unkempt sleet]

We already discussed this all "old/new story" thing for ages now, why did it come back again

[reef orbit]

I'm not here to discuss it because I don't get it
it doesn't make sense from what I've seen
so as I said
I'm waiting to see what they do
but so far it's been very bad

[manic sundial]

The Thing is visual representation of fear (in general). Because Neighbor also has the same “thing” pursuing him (in the scenes in the house on his back and in final scene when he locked up with it. That’s also why basemen in act 3 is boarded up and there is thing roaming inside). Huge Neighbor in the finale, on the other hand, IS representation of trauma of main character. That’s why he is so huge as you were kid when this happened. And for the same reason, you use toys to bring him down.
House in his back is burden he carries (it where you get answers why he like that). And you understand him as a person and “kill” your fear after all. But he never did it and stayed locked up with it inside his “burden-house”.

[safe charm]

Intresting

[eager island]

so the thing isn't only visible to Nicky?

or maybe I misunderstood

[unkempt sleet]

So it's finally cleared that The Thing isnt special to Nicky

[safe charm]

Yeah

[unkempt sleet]

That's nice

[tribal talon]

hi guys

[versed yacht]

In the Official HN Guidebook, (The Neighbors Notebook) it kinda implies that The Thing is a presence in Raven Brooks as a whole, haunting everyone.

Page 152: “This Thing (referring to the Act Finale version of the Thing that attacks Nicky's younger version) is the full-blown form of the monster that’s been haunting Raven Brooks and Nicky’s own memories for years.”

Is this still considered canon or is it just a misunderstanding from the writers of the guidebook?

[eager island]

so what about the shadow neighbor in the nicky's diaries game, Is it also a form of the thing that Nicky imagined, like the giant neighbor?

[safe charm]

Altough don’t get this twisted im not trying to be a hater i used to love Theorize i just find it too confusing nowadays

I don’t hate or Dislike it sorry if i come off as that i still like the actual lore altough i dislike that it doesn’t connect that well between media

[brittle olive]

Oh yeah i think this was already said before

[eager island]

most people thought it was just a representation of Nicky's fears, but now we learn that it is a representation of everyone's fears in general

[brittle olive]

I already thought the thing was a representation of fear in general that other people can see not just nicky

But it's still heavily acossiated with him

[brittle olive]

I think that's supposed to mean that other people also see thing

[brittle olive]

Of course it will bruh🙏😭

[pine moon]

is the thing aaron?

[eager island]

bro what are you on🙏😭

[dreamy sluice]

Nikita explained exactly what the thing was just a few messages up :>

[pine moon]

ok i saw it thx

[azure skiff]

Huh

Im pretty sure aaron is a human being

[shell gull]

Wow this is crazy.

It seems in the AS it’s only seen by Nicky from his trauma, but this further backs up the old E.O.M. Theory of all sorts of people having these manifestations appear and hurt them when they all have that same sort of emotion.

[merry vapor]

Guys, I just came to say one thing. I'm accepting theories about the Hello Neighbor series because I've given up trying to get to know the guest and the Crow Faces and their reasons for doing what they do in the series. If anyone has a good theory, I'll be putting it in my fan script. Hugs.

[willow depot]

probably a misunderstanding honestly

that description fits Guest more

"Spooky shadow guy that haunts THE WHOLE TOWN" is more marketable than "Metaphor for fear" I suppose

[willow depot]

I really doubt that all kinds of people see "manifestations"

the town already has the forest protectors and the Guest stealing their stuff and people (and they're oblivious to it in all honesty)

The Thing is just

metaphorical

disorder of mind itself if you will

[shell gull]

I mean Nikita said it himself, but yeah it could be in a metaphorical way.

[manic sundial]

What I wrote before is tied specifically to the original game.
It's not something that other people "see". It's a metaphorical representation of a fear.

[willow depot]

exactlyy

[silver vine]

Wait, then why does Nicky actually see the thing in the cartoon

[ripe berry]

welp
rip common versions of Manifestation theory

[gritty gulch]

So, is everything canon? i've heard conflicting reports 😭

[ripe berry]

yes.

[gritty gulch]

Cool, only cause i'm working on a Hello Neighbor related blog and want to get my facts correct 🙂

[fickle garden]

Everyone seems to just cherry pick what they think is canon.

[gritty gulch]

Oh, alright

[brittle olive]

From what i've got from nikita's messages, the thing isn't an hallucination it's just fear

So im guessing it's the same case for the AS

[shell gull]

Good clarification

[shell gull]

Michael it’s officially dead…for now.

[ripe berry]

yep... only thing keeping it even remotely alive is the fact Nicky "sees" the thing in the AS...

the theory that once seemed undebunkable has been debunked...

(at least it was not debunkable without the help of HN2 or the AS)

[shell gull]

It fixed SO many plot holes.

Though thought it didn’t make sense when Nikita said that The Guest was never supernatural.

(At least from his work, stuff like AS could be different and the books he is definitely supernatural).

[brittle olive]

What was that theory again

[willow depot]

How so though

[languid spindle]

Is the Hello Neighbor animated series canon to the game, or no?

[eager island]

yes

everything is canon

[languid spindle]

I just find it weird, because in the full game (Act 1,2,3), Nicky’s house is across the street from Mr. Peterson’s house. Then, In Hello Neighbor 2, it’s replaced by some random green house, and in the animated series, Trinity’s house is across the street instead of Nicky’s… so like, I’m confused-

[eager island]

there are two houses across the street in AS, nicky's and trinity's

[languid spindle]

It’s strange because in the game, Nicky’s house is DIRECTLY across the street from Mr. Peterson’s

Another thing I thought I’d question is why Mr. Peterson’s house is burnt down in the ending of Act 3-

And if it IS burnt down, how is the neighbor’s house going to appear in HN3? Will Nicky’s house still be across the street? So many questions…

[fickle garden]

Schizophrenia.

[shell gull]

Nothing is perfectly the same in HN.

Layouts constantly change across media.

[shell gull]

Stuff like Aaron getting dragged into The Nest at the end of HNVR some other stuff.

[shell gull]

Way too long to explain and it doesn’t matter anymore.

[brittle olive]

Isn't that the theory where your negative emotions manifest into monsters or am i tweaking

[willow depot]

ah yes, Hello Neighbor and FNAF collaboration

Howdy Eleanor

[tame quartz]

i still think the show would be 5x better if it started as Nicky the main character then slowly moved towards Trinity when she arrived into town

[brittle olive]

What 😭

[brittle olive]

What if each season had a main protagonist

[willow depot]

FNAF also had the "negative emotions manifest into monsters" thing

[brittle olive]

Cool

I think it kinda fits with HN tbf

[tame quartz]

character development would be very limited and that would make the writing bad

i still wanted to see books 1-3 in the show portrayed better

[brittle olive]

Fair ig

[unkempt sleet]

What if each EPISODE had a main protoganist

[eager island]

what if each scene

[brittle olive]

What if each episode was a completely different story bruh

[fickle garden]

What if each episode was two hours long and the main character switched every frame?

[brittle olive]

Guest isn't Aaron

[vagrant igloo]

obviously

hn2 makes that VERY clear

considering aaron is locked up during almost all of the game, and considering he is a 12 year old child

someone also suggested nicky

but he is the same age as aaron

people that are suggesting these things dont know anything about hello neighbor

ok

done ranting now

[shell gull]

Yeah basically.

[shell gull]

S1: Ted

S2: The Cult

S3: The Guest

[brittle olive]

Protagonist not antagonist

Also from what we've seen Ted is most likely going to be the main antagonist of Season 3 for the most part

[brittle olive]

Ngl but i find that a really cool idea

Your negative emotions manifesting into hallucinations that torments you

And no one else can see it

And it made alot of sense for the guest also

[shell gull]

OHHH

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[brittle olive]

Ngl this would be a good explanation for the "nothing is supernatural" thing

[shell gull]

Only issue was The Guest since other people could see him, BUT that was made up for by the belief that different emotions create different kinds of manifestations, The Thing being fear, The Guest being sorrow, we kinda saw that in SN with R.S. being scared of Ted’s house and seeing The Thing manifest in their imagination.

[brittle olive]

That could just be explained with Theo being the guest to hide from the police and also scare people so they don't mess his own plans

Also yeah true

[shell gull]

Yeah but that doesn’t work well, at least with modern lore, if we were talking HG era then yeah definitely but after that doesn’t work well with anything.

[brittle olive]

Yeah it doesn't

Honestly there's alot of stuff i would change about the lore

[shell gull]

Pretty much everything needs a change nothing works with anything, due to mostly theory bait and mishandling the lore.

Along with multiple people getting a say in the lore leading to different ideas.

[brittle olive]

Huge agree

There's also alot of cool stuff that is introduced with 0 reason importance like time loops for example

[shell gull]

The Guest is a prime example.

[shell gull]

Yeah most of its left hanging.

HN2 sure tells us a bit what happened in between act 2 and 3, tells us a lot on The Cult and The Guest, but other than that without it not much would change except for a bit of details.

[analog moth]

OH YES!
Bro was a beast in season 1 but I would like to see the guest
And all the questions that haven’t been answered…….all in 5 EPISODES!??????!!!??????

I don’t know if I’m wrong but i heard season 3 is only gonna get 5 episodes 💀
Just HOW!

[brittle olive]

Yeah it's 5 episodes

[analog moth]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-cartoon-hello-neighbor-secret-neighbor-raven-brooks-mayak-gif-27264319

[silver vine]

Funnily enough, that was originally supposed to be case

[analog moth]

Oooh
That would’ve been sick

[brittle olive]

Really??? 💀

[brittle olive]

Unless each episode was a completely different story and event that would probably just turn out really bad

[silver vine]

Originally, each episode was supposed to have a different story, each taking place at a different point in time

[analog moth]

Bro
Why are you always doing this
Let me have my fun!!😭😭😭

[analog moth]

Oh
I thought when you said that
You meant like each episode would’ve had a different characters perspective

[brittle olive]

NO FUN ALLOWED!!!!!!

[analog moth]

Like a Maritza or enzo or even a ivan episode

[merry vapor]

Nikita, in your humble opinion, what is the relationship between Ivan the Inventor and the Scout Mirim?

[shell gull]

Yup, AS was supposed to be focused on a different thing all connecting at the end, kinda like stranger things.

[dry patio]

Could be 4

[potent harness]

What if each season had 12 episodes

[analog moth]

YESSSS!!!!!!

[unkempt sleet]

yep

Back during the pilot times

[brittle olive]

I thought it was just supposed to be a books adaptations

Tbf that does sound interesting

[brittle olive]

Hopefully not

[dry patio]

Ep4&5 could be combined

[blazing kiln]

Yes, i think that too, but i dont think so

[languid spindle]

Is Aaron and Mya’s age ever confirmed?

[blazing kiln]

Yes

In the guidebook and Buried Secrets

[languid spindle]

Oh, ok
I have Buried Secrets, but it’s been a long time since I last read it lol

[blazing kiln]

Ok

[safe charm]

Okay so more hello Neighbor Books are on the table as well as a continuation to reset day i would say is more possible now

Especially Since alex said he agreed it sucked it never got concluded

[safe charm]

@shell gull

[stark timber]

I hope they end up continuing Reset Day

I feel like the pacing wasn't great, but it was still a fun book to read

Part of me hopes they end up having Quentin's story continued or fully explained in a book, since it's likely he's Norman Darby

And there's the whole possibility of Norman Darby being stuck in a time loop, which I think could make for a really entertaining story

[safe charm]

I wanna know so much what was going on with the guest and the town time loop stuff in the book

[stark timber]

Yeah same here

I wonder if the Guest has anything to do with the time loops?

[safe charm]

That’s extremely implied

As soon as the guest kidnapped enzo time started reseting

As if hes Trying to prevent them from finding him by reseting the time

Also guest is implied to Either be the Neighbor or be possessing or shapeshifting into him

[shell gull]

YES

Anyways that’s sick to see

Gtg though

[stark timber]

Very obvious in GN2

[shell gull]

Will talk abt it later

[stark timber]

I really like the idea of the Guest possessing people

And I wonder if there's a specific reason as to why he does it

[safe charm]

Yeah which is making me so confused why Nikita and Alex doesnt seem to want guest to be supernatural

Adam Even implied hes a person

He said he was told who he is

[stark timber]

That really confuses me

Maybe by that, they meant he was possessing Ted at the time?

[safe charm]

Its possible different writters have different visions of the guest

[eager island]

? wym

[stark timber]

True

[safe charm]

But i generally prefer the hnvr/gn2 one over the others

[eager island]

im almost asleep right now it's just me being stupid btw

[stark timber]

By Adam saying he "knew who the Guest was" he was probably told it was Ted, since in GN2, it seems like Ted is being possessed by the guest

[eager island]

wasn't "ted is the guest" scrapped after Hello Guest

[safe charm]

Not fully in graphic novel 2 its like heavily implied

[stark timber]

yea

[safe charm]

He Either somehow is the guest or guest is possessing him(most likely)

[stark timber]

To me, it always looked like the Guest was possessing him

[safe charm]

Same

[unkempt sleet]

i do not see GN2 ever implying the first

[stark timber]

But then again, the fight between the Guest and Ted could've been metaphorical in a way

[safe charm]

You really just have to ignore nikita and Alex Words About the guest because everything goes against it currently

[unkempt sleet]

He literally talks to a crow, a crow whispers pris's name aswell, showing that Guest is indeed a crow that exists

and Theodore is not a crow

[safe charm]

And hnvr shows him wanting Ted

Its potraying him as this otherwordly being that wants to get to Ted

[stark timber]

I have so many questions about the Guest

Does he need to be possessing a body in order to interact with the physical world? Or is he possessing people in order to get closer to whatever he wants?

[safe charm]

I Think Almost everyone does

[stark timber]

Part of me likes the mystery behind him, but I also just want a small push in the right direction

[safe charm]

The devs of hnvr said the game holds the answers to some of the lingering Questions se been having

[unkempt sleet]

season 3

[stark timber]

Did Alex confirm that there's gonna be a "real" Guest?

[safe charm]

Yes

We have only kind of seen him

[stark timber]

Is that all he's said that's pointed towards there being one real Guest?

[safe charm]

No

[unkempt sleet]

he loves what they do with the GUEST

[stark timber]

oh sick

[safe charm]

Everything in the AS is building up to the guest

[unkempt sleet]

he's the crow...

[blazing kiln]

Is Franklin Peterson The Guest...?🤔

[safe charm]

I can’t TAKE it anymore wth was the MEANING behind reset day

Damnit i just wanna know how it connects with the rest of the franchise

[unkempt sleet]

play hello engineer

[safe charm]

They are barely connected Besides some technology being the same

[unkempt sleet]

what technology

[safe charm]

Time loop stuff

Thats it

[willow depot]

none

I really don't see why people even bring it up nowadays aside from Guest Theodore

[safe charm]

Because its canon material

[willow depot]

it was meant to be a whole new book series that didn't happen, no?

Well all the time loop stuff would be elaborated upon there

but it never came to be

[safe charm]

Alex implied he wants a conclusion

And there will be more books likely according to him

[willow depot]

I really don't think that anything that's coming out soon will talk about time loops that take place 30 years from when most of the timeline happens

[safe charm]

Hn3 should be around reset day

Time period

If they don’t align their further breaking the lore

[willow depot]

It's a long way before HN3

[safe charm]

Either way I hope they do a reset day sequel I would say it’s possible

Since Alex seem to want it

[willow depot]

I dislike Reset Day in all honesty but if this "sequel" would feature Enzo alive and well, instant peak fiction

[safe charm]

I like it because it leans into the idea that guest isn’t something natural

Which I prefer than him just being a dude

[willow depot]

I kinda like the HN2 Alphas approach with him acting half crow half human

[safe charm]

In reset day he’s more serious and creepy which I prefer

[safe charm]

I would say he sorta acts like that in reset day too

He has feathers growing on his body

He’s literally a mix between a human and a bird in behavior and physically

[willow depot]

yeahh

[willow depot]

arguably

sending a picture of an old man with a shovel with the message "you got nowhere to hide" is rather goofy imo 😭

[safe charm]

He’s sending a picture of himself

To show he’s Peterson(in some form)

To scare her

Either way since they insist everything is canon than everything we know about guest from reset day is canon too

Which mean he probably can shapeshift

[willow depot]

even if Reset Day isn't there's still plenty proof that he can shapeshift

[safe charm]

Yeah

[willow depot]

like the fact that Theodore is mentally above dressing up as a crow and making crow noises

[safe charm]

So much goes against Nikita and Alex words

The only way they can be right is if they mean not supernatural as in we can understand why he has those abilities

If they mean literally not supernatural that’s not possible lol

All fully released media has done is establish he is supernatural so like

That has to be the case now

[brittle olive]

I really like guest neighbor but i like to think he did that not because he was Theo, but rather because he was trying to CONVINCE piper he was Theo

Just putting the blame on him

[brittle olive]

That was probably supposed to be the OG story for HN2 after Nikita left (and before they changed teh story AGAIN 😭) because it's the most logical way as to how it would connect to reset day. And imo it's the best plot.

Theo also talks about stuff about "changing the past" in GN2 which is probably foreshadowing for norman wanting to avoid everything that happened in HN2 as Quentin but always failing

[ripe berry]

well that confirms how everything fits

[unkempt sleet]

or its just talking about AS and the Movie

because im sorry but perspective theory across all media doesnt make everything fit together at all

especially when theres huge gaps like Trinity moving into Raven Brooks in WTRB, but her also being there for Aaron in Aaron trilogy

[ripe berry]

this is the 2nd time Alex's implied Perspective stuff

I get that Aaron Trilogy doesn't really fit but I mean-
Alex is basically spelling it out for us now

(if you want an explanation there's always "in the moment" vs. "in retrospect" stuff, where you can say that Trinity is misremembering things)

[safe charm]

Also more books might happen which is cool

He even basically said he agree it sucks reset day was left without a conclusion

[ripe berry]

yeah

Book 8 is a real possibility now

[safe charm]

It is

Even Alex seem to want it

[merry vapor]

Ohhhmaaaaagaaaa

[merry vapor]

ok i give up

[wicked heath]

The guest kills everyone but Nicky, the end

[ripe berry]

The Guest doesn't align with everything else in AS
yet everything's canon
=D

[split oriole]

Wouldn't it be more like possessing people?, because in gn2 he and Theodore fight and then the latter comes out of the water with the guest's suit and from then on the only thing that is known is that he survived the explosion, then in reset day the guest appears in the dark like Ted when he is absent in almost the entire book

[split oriole]

Maybe Nikita refers to supernatural as something magical or mystical and that's why he doesn't see it that way, and if it turns out that way, maybe his abilities have something to do with the experiments carried out on Mayak. Or Idk most likely I'm wrong.

[brittle olive]

It's probably something metaphorical

[brittle olive]

I think Nikita was referring to HIS version of the guest

Which in that case is true, nikita's guest was never supernatural

[unkempt sleet]

this is not a surprise or even anything special to Guest

AS already isnt trying to match up everything

i'm guessing the concepts will be there but execution or the timeline placement will be different

kinda like everything else in AS

[shell gull]

Alright catch me up Michael what did I miss?

[shell gull]

So The Guest is just completely outer from the canon of his character.

[safe charm]

Alex Said AS guest is the definitive guest lore

Again basically so its confusing lol

[ripe berry]

aight

So Alex basically all but outright confirmed the correct answer for how everything ties together with the canon is the idea that things are different because of character perspectives when answering if the HN Movie is it's own continuity or in the same continuity as the other stuff

and then

Alex also said the Guest in AS might not align perfectly with past depictions

However Alex also implied the Guest isn't a human so...

Guest is an actual crow

[shell gull]

So everything is different because of the perspectives of different characters.

Which would further imply everything’s a standalone if it doesn’t follow the same MC.

[shell gull]

Hm…

[safe charm]

Also alex said AS shows exactly how guest comes to be

[shell gull]

Huh, that’s something.

[next moat]

Reading all the messages from earlier in this server. About lore and all. It's confusing for me at least

But overall I'm excited

[next moat]

Interesting

[still ermine]

wait what

btw every since hn2 came out i always thought peterson was the guestcause of him throwing the guest's outfit into his chimney

[fickle garden]

It has to be a crow!

Just a fat crow.

[still ermine]

he prob drank all the milk from hn1

[fickle garden]

He went through the Neighbor's trash for free Chinese food.

[still ermine]

LOL

[acoustic atlas]

Guys I think Peterson worked at joey dew studios

[wicked heath]

Yeah. He made a big park but got fired halfway and he’s now a carnival ride named « Berty »

Still peakest crossover to this day

[acoustic atlas]

XD

[little lodge]

That was way back in HN2 Alpha 1, a lot of story changed between that and the full game

[frail loom]

nice

[ripe berry]

HG and HN2A1.5 lore has been explained

[willow depot]

How come?

Via the books?

[dry patio]

Megam interview with nikita

[ripe berry]

https://youtu.be/Of1fZh4aliE?t=8739

[safe charm]

@shell gull we just found out hg and old hn2 story in the alphas

Or a lot of it not everything

[shell gull]

Yeah I’m watching the interview rn

It started at like 6 in the morning for me 💀

[safe charm]

I now fully understand a lot more

Of old hn2

[shell gull]

Hey don’t tell me nothing yet.

[safe charm]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Want to hear it myself.

[ripe berry]

ok

[willow depot]

Oh wowie thanks

[ripe berry]

as soon as you get there we can discuss

[shell gull]

100%

[ripe berry]

so...

[safe charm]

Ye

[shell gull]

Sorry it took so long, I don’t even know where to start.

MITH being fake neighbor at some point.

Quentin’s fake RB (Which is just Guest World).

Things on the original plot of HN1.

HG plot stuff such as MITH looking for Mayak, which is interesting since we originally believed he was trying to get rid of The Guest or find him.

What do you guys think?

[safe charm]

Im just confused about

What reset day even tied into

Now

Like wth is up with that book i want answers so badly why it feels so disconnected

I Think that’s one of the Questions i want answered the most

[shell gull]

Something about tricking someone they built a Time Machine.

Forgot the character name but we never saw them.

[safe charm]

Yeah i mean like wth was the deal with reset day and graphic novel 2 i wanna know

[shell gull]

But there’s still the stuff about how Ted was always the antagonist, we still know there was some sort of Time Machine/Time Loop plot.

[ripe berry]

the HN2 Alpha 1.5 Plot Explanation was a very interesting part

[shell gull]

The Guest was a figment of Quentin’s imagination, kinda like Joker in Arkham Knight, he isn’t actually there but in Batman’s head.

[shell gull]

Indeed.

Stuff about Ted accidentally killing the Halloween Kids in a Mayak incident.

[ripe berry]

Guest in HN2A1.5 was a representation of the Storm that killed them

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

(Ted is Guest Kid, hence him being the sole "survivor" in HN2A1.5 + turning into Ted)

[safe charm]

Hm?

He appears during a storm in gn2 be Even forms in water

[shell gull]

It was all Quentin researching the topic which explains the ending cutting to Quentin turning of his computer and the end text.

[ripe berry]

the end text was a hint as to what happened

[shell gull]

Yup.

[shell gull]

Possibly connects.

[safe charm]

Okay im gonna be honest i want hn3 to Tie directly with graphic novel 2 and/or reset day somehow

I want some Consistency for once for ONCE

[shell gull]

Still The Guest is just haywire as a character in lore.

[ripe berry]

Guest in HN2A1.5 was a representation of the storms

in GN2

[shell gull]

Yeah doubt it would happen, I want a more grounded story that shares connections to things.

[ripe berry]

the Guest has Ted make a machine in the Mayak to Manipulate Weather

[shell gull]

Right.

[safe charm]

Meh its Canon material

[ripe berry]

and then Forms from the Storm Water

[safe charm]

So it should connect together

[ripe berry]

In RBO Prototype something that is possibly the Guest only appears After the Hurricane

HNVR Guest World is under Constant Storm

[shell gull]

Yeah no storm correlation makes sense, HG Prototype is The Guest trying to get to Mayak.

[safe charm]

Actually I just want the guest to be consistent with hnvr and graphic novel 2 Thats reallu what i want the most

[ripe berry]

In HN2 The Guest would've started properly roaming the town After the Storm hits

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

and the Forest Protectors either Perform Rituals during or Control Storms

(and Forest Protectors (especially in AS) are similiar to the Guest in appearance)

[shell gull]

They start storms in the books, would connect to how they summon The Guest.

That would also mean The Guest summoning is the same as the Storm ritual.

[ripe berry]

Guest probably keeps this storm connection in the current lore

[safe charm]

Which one lol

[shell gull]

Possibly yeah.

[ripe berry]

even if the exacts are different

[shell gull]

All of it.

Again everything is a perspective thing.

[safe charm]

Why is AS guest not consistent with everything how Will this work

[shell gull]

It’s a perspective thing.

[safe charm]

Which is the closest to reality

[shell gull]

Each character sees things in a different point of view.

[ripe berry]

my thought is AS Guest doesn't align in terms of timing for the Guest's behaviors

[shell gull]

No clue, probably Quentin (In the FG, if it was the alphas he’d be dead last).

[safe charm]

Also alex said AS shows exactly how guest comes to be

[shell gull]

AS S3 involves Mayak Storms

(Just a guess)

[ripe berry]

It's all building up to Guest

[shell gull]

They’ve been teasing Mayak with thunder a whole ton.

[ripe berry]

Finale's in Mayak

[shell gull]

Yeah no 100% gonna be a Mayak Storm.

[ripe berry]

The Well is Gurgling

Almost Ready for youknow-what.

[shell gull]

Ofc it’s not gonna perfectly align.

[ripe berry]

I'm just mentioning anything with any relation to this

[ripe berry]

the Well likely refers to the Mayak Pit

[shell gull]

If a storm does happen (Which it seems very likely), then The Guest storm connection would fit in.

[shell gull]

If this is the case that also means every time they did a storm ritual The Guest was doing something behind the scenes in the books.

[ripe berry]

The Luck Manipulation.

[ripe berry]

Which
I must note
is shown during the scene that originally had the Guest to represent the one causing the death...
AND
A Storm is started just before they run into the tunnels.

[shell gull]

Right.

[ripe berry]

the storm connections are there

you just gotta look for them

[shell gull]

Yeah but we never bothered to look that deep.

Especially with the lack of The Guest and Storms in the franchise.

[ripe berry]

We weren't given much reason to so we never did

[shell gull]

But with Nikita talking about it and pointing it out it makes a ton of sense.

[ripe berry]

Closest we ever got to making the Guest Storm Connections
#hello-neighbor message

This and the people who believe(d) that the Guest was the reason the Forest Protectors got luck

[ripe berry]

even more sense the more you think about it

[manic dirge]

That actually makes sense that guest kid is Ted

[ripe berry]

I mean HN2A1.5 was basically screaming at you that it's Ted

[shell gull]

True.

[inner lichen]

I love how in the books, Aaron went through the exact same thing Theodore did

had a group of friends, but he was the only one who managed to hide in the weather station, and was the only one to actually make it out

wonder if this was somehow a big coincidence, or if someone told her about this plot point

[versed yacht]

What book does that happen in

I have no recollection of that

[inner lichen]

it was before Ike found him

but yeah, book 4

not the same exact event, but it's similar enough

Yeah, Aaron and co. went trick-or-treating

storm separated them, and Aaron was the only one who took shelter in Mayak

meanwhile Theodore was hiding from the storm, and was the only one who was able to make it out.

except (presumably), his friends WERE actually with him, and he was too afraid to open the door, which led to their deaths

good thing that everyone in the Book Universe was separated when that happened

otherwise a LOT of characters presumably would've been gone quickly

anyways, technically speaking, Aaron is the Guest ||Kid|| in the book universe

[wicked heath]

In the trick-or-treating segment, he didnt get to Mayak

He literally got lost and was rescued by his father (as well as the parents of his friends)

Aaron had found the Mayak weeks before, when he was visiting the woods with his friends for Forest Protectors

[inner lichen]

ah, my bad

then I guess I misremembered

sorry

[wicked heath]

No worries. Im just surprised, cause you’re not the only one misremembering things in this order

Ig it also doesnt change much in the parallel you came up with anyway

[gusty flint]

the books aside from mabey bosco bay, are not cannon

[eager island]

everything is canon

[gusty flint]

okay but in the books narated by nicky, he enters the basement diferently than the games

this is not the guest or a new carechtor im very sorry for my statement

[eager island]

its not guest

[gusty flint]

I know

im apologizing

becuase I thought it was the guest/bird person

what if the world in all the hello neighbor games are just the worlds created by children in their imaginations whiel they play???

[safe charm]

Books AS and games are all canon

[shut hill]

Everything is canon

[gusty flint]

ok

[quartz remnant]

I have a theory about the neighbor's wife's assistant, so the neighbor in the animated series has some kind of hatred or repudiation, so that's where my theory comes in. Could it be that the crow sect

[eager island]

what

[quartz remnant]

Have any involvement with the death of the neighbor's wife?

[wicked heath]

He literally said it at the end of season 2 that his wife died because of the crow cult

[vagrant igloo]

she died from a car accident

the whole story kinda shows that

especially hn1

nightmares

[eager island]

diane died in a car accident because her husband was cursed with bad luck

[vagrant igloo]

she still died in a car accident

that was all i was saying

[eager island]

basically the cultist killed her

cultists

[vagrant igloo]

i guess techinally

but someone above said assination

[cold gull]

I don't like it

[eager island]

very lore discussion

[blazing kiln]

OOPS!

[wicked heath]

An accident caused by the cult

[wicked heath]

They were asking if the cult was involved in any way. Which they were

[sage obsidian]

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