lore-discussion

[willow depot]

duh.

[narrow glade]

And what happened about that?

[willow depot]

suppose it got retconned or just forgotten because in each iteration of the amusement park that we've been so far there's not even a slight hint at fire damage

it's actually in a good enough condition to be reopened apparently

[narrow glade]

Wait so it’s a cannon thing the burning or was it just theories

[dry patio]

I really want this

Also makes sense on why they are vandals at logden payoll

[narrow glade]

Wayron croobs

[little lodge]

It was canon that it was burned in the books, being referenced in the Nicky Trilogy and the event happening in the Aaron Trilogy but now it just seems to be abandoned and the fire storyline retconned

[brittle olive]

That is not anything close to realistic ray 💀

[lone hatch]

Interesting, coming from someone who said it was fire at first

[brittle olive]

Istg im bouta jump someone If they just put evil devil clone of Theo in a story about a cursed town with crazy weather and cultists and luck stuff

[brittle olive]

I was clearly joking

[lone hatch]

Not clearly at all

[brittle olive]

You're just dumb then lol

[lone hatch]

I was joking

[brittle olive]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-24903806

NO JOKING IN THIS SERVER

[lone hatch]

Next, I can both expect and unexpect that you were joking with your reply too. But if not, then you proved my point

No need to hide it, I know you like the theory

[brittle olive]

Devil neighbor theory? (Not a theory)

I do

But i prefer the new lore

[lone hatch]

That would be the new lore

[brittle olive]

No?

There is no devil neighbor in the new lorw

[lone hatch]

What is the new lore???

[brittle olive]

FG lore and onwards

[lone hatch]

I'm talking about identity theories.

[brittle olive]

no way you unironically think the guest is the evil devil neighbor clone or some ehit 💀

Your theories make my brain fry

[lone hatch]

If the alphas were never "directly" confirmed as non-canon. Then why not

[brittle olive]

Because it's a super shitty plot

Yeah

He was the devil in the early alphas

[lone hatch]

Weren't you the one also theorizing Theo is the guest

Or was that all from guestyyy

[brittle olive]

Yeah, and unlike Devil guest neighbor or some shit the Theo guest plot can work and is pretty good, obviously it can't fit the new lore

But if we retconned HN2 and some other lore stuff and made HN3 the true continuation than guest neighbor could very well work

[lone hatch]

They already did the abomination in HN2 Alphas, particularly the trailer

but

[brittle olive]

You don't have the right to call my beloved guest neighbor theory "an abomination" when you're theorizing mya is the guest (which is also a shitty plot im sorry)

Guest neighbor was a thing in GN2 and reset day and it made Theo look cool as shit

[lone hatch]

Abomination not in a bad way, they did it in the alphas, and just made his identity a secret after.

As Nicky and Aaron and Mya guest theory is also shit. Then either someone from the cult, or connected to the past amusement park accident is the guest.

Otherwise it's realistically Theodore, which doesn't fit too, GN2 and reset day did not directly confirm his identity, as the guest as a villain can be deceiving, and doing things for a reason. But then since it's a "How?" Scenario, it would mean it's someone we already know but don't expect.

[brittle olive]

Best possible guest plot imo is the creature plot (which i don't like that much) and guest neighbor plot

It's hard to say who he really is

Also

Didn't Aaron die

In the books or smth?

[lone hatch]

Which book

[brittle olive]

Idk

But i heard he died

[lone hatch]

I don't remember either

[brittle olive]

Well

[lone hatch]

Another evidence the guest is the alpha neighbor is the fat belly, which older designs of Ted also had, totally real 100%

[brittle olive]

The reason i don't think It's nicky, Aaron or mya is because Nicky's storyline is pretty much complete and i don't see why he would want to discover more stuff in raven brooks like the cult and go back in time to save his friends (assuming that's your theory), because then, why is he killing people? And why is he worried about his friends? Especially since all of them moved on with life Just like he did, as for Aaron, well HN2 sort of confirms he can't be the guest unless it was retconned (which honestly i find likely), it does make a little bit of sense if he's trying to take revenge on his father, but the thing is, the guest is also going after other people like piper. And then the mya theory is also the least likely because y'know, she's dead?

[brittle olive]

I mean you're right

[lone hatch]

Guest canonically killed others? In GN2 and RD right?

[brittle olive]

I think so

I didn't read any of the books so i coudl be wrong

But he probably did cuz he also kidnaps people so

[lone hatch]

Then he should kidnap Trinity

[eager island]

his death not confirmed

but

in GN2, the neighbor acts like he has nothing to lose

[lone hatch]

It would be stupid for the plot killing off Many most important characters

[brittle olive]

I think it would make sense for him to kidnap trinity's parents

Because the guest takes away things that he thinks people don't deserve

Unless that's retconned

[lone hatch]

The guest will get sued if he does that

[brittle olive]

How

Guest is rich

[lone hatch]

Trinity doesn't deserve parents? The guest identity has been revealed! It's packgod

[lone hatch]

He will be banned from being a bird man

[brittle olive]

Ew worst plot twist ever

Packmyshitgod

[lone hatch]

Either way it would be a big roast

It's the parents that doesn't deserve Trinity

So please let her be kidnapped

[brittle olive]

Imagine getting kidnapped by some bird dude and he just starts to roast your daughter

[brittle olive]

Nah trinity is a horrible friend smh

Also

I think all of them will die

[lone hatch]

Her story would be either pure evil or Naruto like in Shelbyville

[lone hatch]

Canonically except Enzo

And obviously Nicky

[brittle olive]

The parents will die because of S2 EP2 possible foreshadowing and trinity will go missing as said by Peterson

[brittle olive]

Talking about trinity

And her parents

[lone hatch]

Don't forget

S1 Ep2

Trinity's grave, and the alpha devil neighbor

So new evidence

Devil neighbor = guest = guest kills Trinity parents

[brittle olive]

Devil neighbor was just a reference but the grave could definitively be a hint at something

[lone hatch]

A reference could also be a hint

[brittle olive]

Yeah

Devil neighbor is a metaphor for the actual devil

And trinity dies andegoes to hell

[eager island]

enzo maritza and nicky are not dead

[brittle olive]

And then pre-alpha starts

[lone hatch]

I forgot about Maritza

[brittle olive]

Read what i said again

[lone hatch]

That needs to uncanon itself

I need enzo's revenge arc

[brittle olive]

Also i was talking about trinity and her parents

[lone hatch]

Speaking of them...

I have been thinking

[eager island]

idk because actually trinity kind of missed but escaped

[brittle olive]

This is pure cinema

[lone hatch]

What if Trinity's parents are also cultists

[brittle olive]

?

Could you rephrase that

[eager island]

s2 ep6

[brittle olive]

I find that a bit unlikely

[eager island]

s2 ep7's beggining

[brittle olive]

What about it

[eager island]

cultists kidnap Trinity

[brittle olive]

Yeah but she didn't went missing

She escaped pretty quickly

[eager island]

if Trinity hadn't escaped, she would probably have been the "other missing kid"

[brittle olive]

She will definitively still go missing fr this time

Because the other times like the cultist kidnapping her and getting locked i jail she will still escape

[eager island]

i don't think so but this missing could also happen at the end of s2 ep7

[brittle olive]

Again, she didn't go missing

[eager island]

we don't know how much time skip there will be between s3 ep1

[brittle olive]

She was just kidnapped

[lone hatch]

Somehow survived a whole house fire, and was kinda nonchalant about it all. Next after the cult said that Maritza's friend are not part of the deal, the parents got the idea of boarding school. And just completely ignored Trinity freaking out about everything, essentially forgetting the moment she was about to get kidnapped by Theodore.

It's both coincidences or could be planned

Her Shelbyville backstory sounds painful, so it could tell alot

[brittle olive]

They are just ignorant

And don't take trinity seriously

[brittle olive]

I don't think It Will be along tike

[lone hatch]

Should have put her up for adoption then

[brittle olive]

A guard would eventually find her in like an hour or smth

[brittle olive]

Yep

And maritza

[eager island]

but even if it's for just one day, her parents will think that Trinity ran away from home

[brittle olive]

I don't think it will be a whole day either

Someone pointed out the cell has a vent

[lone hatch]

It's 2 possibilities

Ignorance or planned

[brittle olive]

So trinity will probably escape from that

[dry patio]

yep since trinity is supposed to go to boarding school on morning

[brittle olive]

And that's why her parents are going to go rip

They ain't surviving

[lone hatch]

It's better if someone else helps her escape prison

[eager island]

nicky will most likely not be in season 3

[lone hatch]

If a guard finds her and the dead body. She's going to court

[lone hatch]

We're just gonna see a brief shot of him driving away out of town, he's 15 in AS, right?

[eager island]

we dont know

[brittle olive]

I was thinking maybe the guest will help her in his regular crow form (assuming the guest still has powers)

[lone hatch]

And then the electric poll falls to his car

And Theodore pulls over

[lone hatch]

Not supernatural at all

But could be interacting with supernatural objects or teleportation device

[brittle olive]

He could still have powers though

Yeah exactly

These stuff

[lone hatch]

Which doesn't necessarily make him supernatural

Luck device are canon right?

So teleportation could be too

[eager island]

everything is canon

but luck devices was in books

[brittle olive]

Maybe the guest used some device or supernatural stuff to give himself powers like turning into a crow

[lone hatch]

Multi-perspective Canon

[eager island]

so this could mean that there really was no such thing

[eager island]

ermm

[lone hatch]

Basically, it's up to us decide what we prefer is canon

[brittle olive]

I think the coins is a hidden luck device or smth

[lone hatch]

S&R, ACT 2, S1EP6 endings don't add up at all

[brittle olive]

Act 2 of what?

[lone hatch]

HN1

[brittle olive]

Oh yeah

Inconsistencies

Multiple

[eager island]

we can eliminate Act 2 due to Nicky's incorrect recollection

[dry patio]

what about hnvr has inconsistencies with hn1 act 2

[lone hatch]

That's why I said Search & Rescue?

[dry patio]

yea hnvr is search and rescue

[willow depot]

What if the reason the forest protectors went after Norman and Quentin is because they thought it was Ike revived/reincarnated ||(SATIRE)||

They're like "Gosh dang this guy just won't die"

Can't really blame them

[narrow glade]

But the books are cannon to the games right?

[dry patio]

True true

[little lodge]

Loosely, they’re canon somewhat, but there are inconsistencies and retcons (in the books, Nicky moved in after Peterson’s, but reverse in games, book 3 ending and act 1 being similar events but with quite a few differences, etc…)

[fickle garden]

Does the guest eat people or not?

[crude dew]

I mean they wanted to cancel the Petersons
the whole family
wife, kids too

because of mistakes that cannot be blamed on one man, since multiple people build an amusement park, not one single
but if they can blame a person, it's the mayor's fault if anyone's (since he wanted that rollercoaster to be that big, the whole thing was planned)

[crude dew]

so far, not

in the books it's a rumor to keep people away from the forest

that's true
but they're also very dumb to set fire next to the forest literally
legit dumb

[fickle garden]

The jumpscare in Hello Neighbor 2 says otherwise.

[tribal talon]

Fair

[crude dew]

just because he ends Quentin, it doesn't mean he eats him

plus we don't know and won't know if that 1:1 happens in reality

I loved the HG catch much more though
Guest was looking around while catching the player and he even lit a little red light
sound was sharp and surprising too

[fickle garden]

He puts Quentin into his beak mouth thing.

Clearly eating.

[crude dew]

🅾️🇰

[willow depot]

indeed

but truthfully

THEY STILL ARE

at the very least back then they were dumb but with purpose

now they're just dumb

[eager island]

i told you this yesterday, we can't get hn2 as full Canon rn

[willow depot]

yeaahh, would be really convinient if they blamed the Mayor or like anyone else in high positions who were involved and those individuals turn out to be forest protectors

when is the Raven Brooks revolution coming up every major person of the town's infrastructure is a cultist

[crude dew]

Google is hurting me😔

[crude dew]

one thing the books and the AS are really good at, is showing how people 1) just belive rumors, even if they're adults 2) just blame the wrong person, and then the wrong person has to prove his right, unless he wants to be harassed nonstop

just like irl bruh

iirc only in the very end, when Theodore straight up tells everything in book 6, and proceeds to stop the cult, do people's eyes open
including his family who didn't trust him one bit👍

[willow depot]

real

[crude dew]

i also can't really proceed with the thought nowadays, that
imagine that you're an adult
and a group of kids nonstop stalk and follow you, bc they believe some rumor
Legit nonstop, you can't have a moment, and you're in grief, etc
and then u get to prison and EVEN THERE
it'd be horrible to experience this irl. the AS lore is just messed up at points

[fickle garden]

I guess the Guest only partially ate Quentin then.

[willow depot]

yeahh

even if he died his grave would probably be searched by teens for ClUeS

[lone hatch]

You can say this about a large portion of storylines

We just somehow enjoy "fake" things that we are terrified of in real life

[lone hatch]

What does that Clue do?!

[crude dew]

what did the clue do tho

and why was it a deal with the devil fr
other than the haha faust reference

[lone hatch]

As they search the grave, the dark echoes

[willow depot]

awh dang, it's almost like Trinity has done a deal with the devil!

[lone hatch]

As they found nothing, they said goodbye neighbor

[lone hatch]

Trinity made a deal with the devil in ep 7

[willow depot]

it's probably more metaphorical than "oo reference"

[lone hatch]

Theodore is the devil...

[willow depot]

exactlyy man

[lone hatch]

Who wishes Theodore was your dad

[willow depot]

TECHNICALLY

MARITZA IS THE ONE WHO HAS MADE A DEAL WITH THE METAPHORICAL DEVIL

EVEN THO IT'S OFF-SCREEN

[lone hatch]

Careful now with caps lol

And true

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-staring-shrek-smiling-gif-14430015749099037012

[lone hatch]

Pre-alpha and alpha 1, Lucifer Masters Peterson

[crude dew]

mr Mephisto

i mean even when Theodore most likely goes to take revenge on the cult, these kids are just there for some reason

[dry patio]

Theodore

[willow depot]

you'd think they'd tell the police and make something up like "oh we saw Mr. Peterson walk the street are you guys sure he's in the slammer" and they'd already do their part

[lone hatch]

Cuz they are a threat to your family and town

[willow depot]

but I suppose there needs to be action to bring the gang back together

[dry patio]

And theres blood? Behind him

[willow depot]

yeah his shoes are soaked in blood

[crude dew]

I showed the purple version to someone and told them he killed William Afton
🤔

[willow depot]

this is still so cool looking even though there's not much going on

[dry patio]

What did they say

[crude dew]

where did the blood come from tho

[dry patio]

The calm before the storm

[willow depot]

The only reasonable assumption being the cultist in his cell

[safe charm]

The cultist he killed

[willow depot]

well by it

[crude dew]

yeah ig

[willow depot]

he just beat the #### out of them

[dry patio]

Yep

[crude dew]

I'm thinking about, how he ended that
khm
issue
idk if i can go into details here
probably not

[lone hatch]

There's Barely a lot of blood, and no way his shoes caught A whole body of blood and put stains across the town which Should be far from the station I think?

[tribal talon]

Yoooo

[crude dew]

"it looks cool" reason

[tribal talon]

The animation looks cool

Oops

You took the words from my mouth

[willow depot]

it's just for effects I suppose

You could say that the blood footsteps are also metaphorical but Theo isn't really evil to have it be like that

besides they are affected by the rain so

[crude dew]

"season ends in red" as it was said multiple times
i expected smth else😒 like I'm expecting him not being able to take revenge, or just partly

[willow depot]

"season ends in red" I expected something dramatic actually happening instead of a minor cultist dying

[crude dew]

yes exactly

[brittle olive]

Same

I was expecting ted to be freed and try to kill the cultists in the park but failing or smth

[willow depot]

S2 finale was pretty disappointing actually

I love how devastating it is but it's just

WAYY too devastating

[lone hatch]

Trinity getting locked up was not a big surprise at all

[willow depot]

I'll repeat myself, the entire season is just Trinity and Co. being screwed over

there's no pay-off anywhere, anytime, aside from a book they lose

[wicked heath]

The season is barely an hour and half, so for me, I dont mind

[willow depot]

ehh good point

[crude dew]

it had ONE good scene
and that's it
didn't convince me to binge the rest of the episodes

the good scene in question:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233847323927249027/1320350016115576914/karma.gif

[raw fractal]

newgen gets what they deserve 🙄 /j

[jade cargo]

Bro new theory, Maritza is schizophremic and had multiple personalities (Enzo, Ivan and Trinity), my theory is based on the fact that in hello engineer when you look to your shadow, despite which character you're using, you'll see Maritza's shadow

[wicked heath]

Most sane HN fan be like:

[brittle olive]

And i thought Ray had crazy theories

[jade cargo]

That also would explain why all HN media is canon, it's all maritza's imagination

[brittle olive]

I can't tell if you're being serious or not am i dumb?

[snow mauve]

Ues

Yes

YESZ

[brittle olive]

What is bro excited about

[snow mauve]

I

SAID

YES

[brittle olive]

Hmmm

Understandable

[jade cargo]

I'm being sarcastic

[brittle olive]

Cool

[muted moon]

ok but wait when season 3 ends in green and the movie ends in blue

it will be so peak

colours

[willow depot]

Season 3 ends in green?? Like like like the

[muted moon]

and season 3.5 ends in pruple

and season 4 ends in orange

and season 3.14159 ends in cyan

it is vrey peek

seeson 4.1 ends in yello

seeson 7 ends in pink

[dry patio]

You forgot about s3.6smh

[muted moon]

season 3.6 ends in brown

season 3.7 ends in magenta

season 3.8 ends in teal

season 3.8 ends in lime

there are 2 season 3.8s

[eager island]

wheres the WBTRB S1?

[willow depot]

season 1 ends in blue AND red

(police lights as they drive up to arrest Theodore)

[eager island]

no its wtrb's S1 ending

i was talking abt AS2

[willow depot]

a

[crude dew]

if only

[dawn mountain]

what does AS stand for

[wicked heath]

AnimatedSeries

[dawn mountain]

ohhhhhhhhh

[hybrid compass]

Does anyone know any more info on the "Hello Neigbor Movie"???

[wicked heath]

No

[hybrid compass]

All I want is a date for the movie sometime

[wicked heath]

They BARELY started work on it

[hybrid compass]

Do we know if its live action or no

[brittle olive]

Yeah

[hybrid compass]

Is it live action???

[brittle olive]

I just answered you?

[hybrid compass]

Sorry

Do we have a release date for HN3

[brittle olive]

It was also just announced bruh 💀

Literally just 1 month ago

It's in prototype phase

[hybrid compass]

I should of know, sorry and have a great night

[brittle olive]

Same to you

[ripe berry]

Attention everyone on the lore side of the community
Time Loops is not the answer to the inconsistency debate

[safe charm]

At this point i might as well throw out everything but hn1 hide and seek and hn3

[wicked heath]

Never was

[safe charm]

Well what Even is

[brittle olive]

That's kinda lame

Because if so then why was timeloops ever a thing

Wait no

Aren't timeloops and time travelling different things?

[safe charm]

Nikita Said his approach it storytelling is grounded

Time loops are not grounded

[brittle olive]

Again, why was timeloops ever a thing

If it's not important to the story

[ripe berry]

I mean-
FNaF introduced a ton of uninportant stuff in the Fazbear Frights

[brittle olive]

It Just feels weird

And also timeloops are cool imo

[dry patio]

Time travel could be cooler jkjk

Also its pretty much impossible to guess the guest mystery

[muted moon]

hn time loops wouldnt even be capable of that

[willow depot]

someone thought it was???

Oh, I mean, can't blame them

[safe charm]

Im starting to Think even if everything is canon the Books and AS barely matter to Nikita version of the story

[crude dew]

omg you put a little hat on Smith on ur pfp 😭 adorable!

[safe charm]

Like i doubt even time loops exist in Nikita’s story

[crude dew]

if Nikita kept the Guest origin (which...I don't think so, sadly) then it's so simple, noone has thought about it yet
as soon as I digged into alpha 1.5, it was..well, I kinda blamed myself for not figuring it out earlier

[safe charm]

Who do you Think he is in alpha 1.5?

[crude dew]

well, there is like 5 people writing the same story
best you can do, is stick to your favorite version

[safe charm]

Well personally i Think Nikita story makes the most sense

[crude dew]

nobody
Guest is nobody from the characters in 1.5 imo
however, since Nikita said he is now somebody, it means the thing changed

[crude dew]

yeah

[dry patio]

But adam knows who the guest is

[crude dew]

good for him

I hope it's not Aaron

[safe charm]

I mean it problaby Changed i Do Think guest was more of a metaphorical thing in the early alphas but by alpha 2 he was problaby made to actually be someone

[crude dew]

yeah, those storylines were sadly scrapped
for the sake of
of
🥹

[safe charm]

I personally don’t like how much they are connecting guest with the cult in the AS/hn2

[crude dew]

well, the books did it right
they admired a creature that wasn't even real.
guest was a town rumor

I mean in HG already

[dry patio]

Do you think s3 will reveal guests identity

[crude dew]

books probably got the idea from Nikita, so

[crude dew]

I'd say, wait until the final episode, because we were told a lot of things in the past 😐

[ripe berry]

yeah I know
it's just one of the biggest theories to explain the inconsistencies WAS Time Loops

[brittle olive]

I agree

Still prefer my version of the guest and the cult rather than "cult worships big bird" or smth

[brittle olive]

In the HG era the guest was Mr. Peterson

I do think the guest as a character was more of a personality of Peterson rather than an actual thing

[ripe berry]

thinking about it
Nikita probably thinks of everything as occuring exactly when it claims to be happening
since in the Guidebook it places the books roughly where you'd expect them to be in the timeline under normal means

or well

the Guidebook timeline's a bit weird
but thinking about it the order of the Guidebook timeline makes sense

Guidebook timeline is HNHS -> Books 1-3 -> HN1 -> SN

Book 1 is after HNHS since Book 1 makes more sense with the context of HNHS

HN1 is after Book 3 because Book 3 shows events before Act 1

SN is after HN1 because (before timeline shenanigans occured) SN needed the context that Nicky is in the Basement of Ted's House from HN1 and Book 3 to make sense

and the timeline didn't feel the need to separate HN1 by Act

but the actual order of chapters in the guidebook does separate by Act and has SN correctly between HN1 Acts 1 and 2

[crude dew]

my whole universe with the guest creatures:
(it's longer than the books) 🤭

[ripe berry]

since Book 3 wasn't quite out yet there's no Chapter for Book 3
BUT
the Chapters in Guidebook go
Discovering the Missing Pieces (Book 1)
Hide and Seek! (HNHS)
Nicky's Waking Nightmare (Book 2)
Hello Neighbor Act 1
Secret Neighbor Guide (since SN wasn't quite out yet, this is just a character rundown more-or-less of the 3 SN Characters to originate from the books)
Hello Neighbor Act 2
Hello Neighbor Act 3

[crude dew]

well
I'll say what I know about how these books are written. (comics too)
according to people in the industry, they're handed a synopsis. the story with main elements that MUST be in the plot.
the writer writes it in chapters and fills the gaps with fillers.
that's how it's done.

so I don't think that everything happening in the universe is lore related. some stuff rather depends on, how and when the writer received said synopsis.

[muted moon]

now you are getting it!

and apply that logic to gn2 and reset day... boom! it all makes sense!

[safe charm]

It does but we have hn2 which complerely contredict that

Plus Adam Said guest identity have not yet been revealed

[muted moon]

technically it hasnt been revealed, just teased a lot, and misinterpreted a lot

[safe charm]

Still i don’t know if stuff like time loops were ever a Thing in hn2 now

[muted moon]

they werent

hn2 takes place around act 2

and always had

reset day takes place around act 3

[ripe berry]

Minor correction
HN1 Act 3 is 2017
RD is 2022 or later

https://youtu.be/6X3_w2vANW4?t=7153

and Math for RD points to RB being in 2021
but RD occurs in Summer for the real world so 2022 it is

but still
RD is closer to Act 3 time then Act 2 time so it makes sense

the one question from there is
"Who is Norman Darby if not Quentin?"

[safe charm]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxDWOZLL4FTyeB0rQjv9g8NP_3r749fiVj?si=YbQ_QH5bRiXtdCBz

This is actually consistent kinda with graphic novel 2

[ripe berry]

GN2 is Nikita's Guest

[muted moon]

nlv...

nlv is overhated

[woeful dagger]

yup

[brittle olive]

What's nlv

[old glacier]

neighbor like visitor

[ripe berry]

a model of the Guest with a Neighbor head

[old glacier]

wrong

[ripe berry]

that's what I was told NLV is

[muted moon]

thats what it is tho...

[brittle olive]

You mean the visitor?

Aka guest neighbor?

[brittle olive]

Neighbor like visitor is literally that

[ripe berry]

Visitor is the Guest's Model Name

[brittle olive]

Neighbor like visitor

[ripe berry]

but yes, NeighborLikeVisitor is the Guest Neighbor

[brittle olive]

It's easier to refer to him as visitor to separate from the guest imo

[muted moon]

hes called neighbor like visitor

[brittle olive]

Yeah, that's guest neighbor

[muted moon]

hes called nlv tho

[muted moon]

guest and visitor are the same thing, nlv is not the same as visitor

[brittle olive]

I know but doesn't change what i said

[muted moon]

yes it does

[brittle olive]

Especially since most people only know the guest as "the guest"

[brittle olive]

No it doesn't

[brittle olive]

Still guest neighbor

[muted moon]

hes called neighbor like visitor because:
hes the neighbor and hes dressed like the visitor

visitor is guest

[brittle olive]

No shit Sherlock

[muted moon]

calling him visitor would be confusing

[brittle olive]

Nah it wouldn't

[muted moon]

if i heard someone refer to something as being the visitor i would assume they are talking about the guest

most other people probably would too

its not very uncommon to know about the name visitor

[brittle olive]

Cool bruh

[crude dew]

why do we think that?
it couldn't be further from his beliefs

[safe charm]

I mean it was made around the same time he was working on hn2 And it was Said to Tie into hn2 + Nikita Said he oversaw the Books and approved everything

Like most People Think of the guest as a supernatural entity now because of the Books and hello Neighbor vr

[willow depot]

I dunno, I think casually showing up in a girl's dream and appearing out of nowhere to drown a man is to a degree supernatural

[safe charm]

Yeah but They might have retconned it which would suck if they did

[crude dew]

and? 🙂

maybe the base was his idea, like many other things as it now revealed
but what you see happening, isn't really his belief - imo.

only he could really answer

[fickle garden]

Maybe that kind of stuff isn't supernatural in Hello Neighbor and anyone could do that.

[muted moon]

hn dreams are not normal dreams, for example the hnvr dreams are clearly pretty weir. the underwater scene was probably metaphorical if anything, the guest is more of a personality, he didnt get literally drowned by a guest phasing into existence, it probably happened in his brain

[willow depot]

so

he got drowned

in his brain

[muted moon]

it didnt literally happen

its more like the guest personality taking over

i also dont think the guest phasing into existence is possible in the hn universe

[willow depot]

I think there is a way better way to showcase an identity disorder other than

taking a very real looking room with a very real looking scenario (Ted reaching to the power box) and ending it off with a very real looking killing method (drowning)

[fickle garden]

The player does it all the time in HN:VR.

[willow depot]

but this is Guest we're talking about so what am I even saying

[muted moon]

are you talking about the guest sequence in act 3 of hnvr?

or smth else

[fickle garden]

I'm talking about all the times you fall out of the map or get stuck in a wall.

[willow depot]

also, guest world

[muted moon]

guest world isnt in hnvr

[willow depot]

oh right

well the dream

thing

crap

[muted moon]

the dream thing is a dream

it has SOME meaning, all hn dreams doi

but it is still just a dream

[willow depot]

okay what about the whole Aaron doll Guest doll thing

[muted moon]

didnt literally happen

[willow depot]

Before Aaron opens the door for Nicky Guest literally xlimb outta the ceiling

and disappears after handing the key

or was Aaron dreaming in that instance too

dreaming OF freeing Nicky or was Nicky also dreaming of the same thing

or are you gonna say it didn't literally happen either

[muted moon]

the storm skybox is out the window

so its still in the dream doors

i think the dream doors somewhat happened

emphasis on somewhat

[willow depot]

at this point the Guest isn't literal it's our schizophrenia, he doesn't appear in HN2 because Quentin took his meds

[dry patio]

Lmao

[manic dirge]

LOLLL

[brittle olive]

I have a theory

Aaron has severe mental problems and he likes crows

So he hallucinated a very weird crow visiting him to give him a present

But Aaron was so traumatized he didn't like crows anymore so he ran away

And now Aaron hunts crows

[fallen fox]

i had a theory about nicky roth so after nicky escaped the neighbors house he had a mentel health and had nightmares about Aaron and himself being kidnapped in to the basment over and over again so he moved away like far far away to forget about the past but when he was evicted he rememberd about the nightmares so he thought about to come back to his childhood house and bring back all the memories

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/skinenr-gif-20761908

[shadow sandal]

This also explains Beatrix not being anywhere (apart from that one piece of paper), Quentin killed her.

[vagrant igloo]

But he does appear ig

[willow depot]

Because Quentin proceeds to get hit in the head so many times that he develops more brain damage and thus more hallucinations

[vagrant igloo]

When does he get hit in the head, oh you mean that one time in the beninging

[willow depot]

and in the end

you know the time he gets hit in the head before he starts seeing the Guest

okay come on you know I was being satire

[vagrant igloo]

He literally sees him in the beginning intro lol

[willow depot]

^^^

[vagrant igloo]

Lol

[crude dew]

i swear I'll lose my embed thing by sending the chef reading gif a million times, but sometimes what is this chat

[crude dew]

||or they just had to put the guest somewhere, since he was advertised as the game's character. don't forget that the Halloween update with guest came out last year only. and originally it was going to be imbir who ran in front of the van, or anyone else, doesn't matter|| 🥲

[safe charm]

Me when im a description and i LIE

Will Always have a grudge hn2 and gn2 Didnt Tie together because gn2 set up actually cool Things with the guest

[crude dew]

"frighteningly fun" yeah so fun, i wanted to burn it. but the artist did a great job
and I never burnt a single book, btw.

[eager island]

and they said that AS will be connected directly to hn2 hmm

[crude dew]

they didn't lie
AS did a Lucy Yi scene to hn2

[crude dew]

how did Theodore drive up to the museum hill?
I'm seriously asking, did they make a road up there later?

[raw fractal]

theres a dirt path outside of the map that leads to the other museum gate on the side where the garage is iirc

[crude dew]

I'll check
cuz i remember searching

[fallen fox]

i have a lore that goes back to the pre alpha and prototype with the old player model what if thats not nicky but someone else thats still trapped in a casket

[waxen rune]

Also did anybody else notice in HNWTRB S2 EP6 Secret Neighbor that One of the Crow Face’s Try running over Enzo. Meaning they lied about the deal they made with Maritza?

[marsh idol]

anyone think The Guest is actually going to make an appearance in HNWTRB and have a interaction with the Forest Protectors / Crow Faces?

because we still don’t know their relationship with the Guest

by my understanding

[brittle olive]

He Is going to appear

[marsh idol]

😄

[eager island]

actually he appeared in the series

but we don't know where and when

[dry patio]

He could be ze crow in s2 ep1's ending

[covert fractal]

in hn1 i’ve heard that nikki gets locked in the basement w aaron for 2 months till he frees him or wtv. but i’ve always wondered where nikki’s parents were during this is that an answerable question or is it just how the story is 😭

[eager island]

nicky's family searching for him

nicky's missing newspapers didn't show up for nothing

the police were investigating this matter

[marsh idol]

wdym bruh

i ain't see no guest

did tinybuild say that he was there somewhere but we don't know

[eager island]

this is what alex said 🤷

[marsh idol]

i guess i better start looking

[crude dew]

guest looks the same as the cultists right? it'll be hard to find him

[marsh idol]

there's a distinct difference

he might have the same appearance in hn2 which he doesn't have a cloak unlike the crow faces

[little lodge]

There's a clear difference between them in the books and the games, but in the AS, the FPs have been designed to look VERY similar to him, not exactly, but very similar

[crude dew]

but in the AS
did any of you spot a different looking cultist?

[marsh idol]

nah

maybe one of their beaks are a little crooked

or maybe one of their beaks are open

because from what i know

all the crowfaces in HMWTRB all of their beaks are closed

while the guest's beak is what i think natural and part of his body

this is what i theorize

the guest is like the manifestation of this bad luck thing, and can control the crows in someway

and unlike the crow faces who aren't supernatural, the guest is

and i did find one of them with their beak open

[brittle olive]

Alex said he appeared in some way

[marsh idol]

yea i know that by now

[brittle olive]

So he didn't appear in his humanoid form y'know

[marsh idol]

maybe not his actual humanoid form that we all know

but either in disguised or as a human

since i believe he can shapeshift into people

[brittle olive]

The guest doesn't have supernatural powers

According to Alex and Nikita

[marsh idol]

really?

[brittle olive]

Yeah

[marsh idol]

he's shown super strength and speed

although it was in scrapped media

but he's shown teleportation and some form of shapeshift in the VR game

[brittle olive]

Yeah it's weird

[marsh idol]

interesting

[brittle olive]

I was theorizing that maybe he is using supernatural devices

To gain things like super speed and stuff

[marsh idol]

yea in the scrapped ending of hello guest he's shown to be more on the mechanical side

using a button to destroy places of an amusement park

[brittle olive]

That's probably because originally the guest was Theo

And Theo is an engineer

That ending didn't make much sense honestly

[marsh idol]

yea that's what i thought back then

https://youtu.be/kE03MuGhhIE?si=-aZG8HtAr6P1HoNM

his head though is really weird

because it almost seems like he has none

since all the head shapes in hello neighbor does not match up with whatever the guest has

and is very damn skinny

so whatever he is he's either not human or just very disproportionate

[brittle olive]

I don't think he is a creature honestaly

But it also is hard to guess on who he could be If he is someone in a suit

[little lodge]

I mean he kind of has to be just a guy in a suit now, but I think that's very unsatisfying

[marsh idol]

that's really unbelievable or just bad designing then

[brittle olive]

Only person i can think about that could be him is Theo and no one else

[marsh idol]

his head does not match with Theo or anyone though

[little lodge]

The implications about an ancient curse and Franklin maybe seemed cool, but if he's just a random FP, that's really boring

[marsh idol]

and definitely skinnier then Theo

[brittle olive]

Would make way more sense if it was Theo but that's extremely unlikely

[marsh idol]

and fatter

[eager island]

the guest will most likely be someone we never expected

[brittle olive]

A new character yeah

But that's just unsatisfying like squash said

[little lodge]

I'm just confused, why was so much emphasis on the scene of Franklin put on it?

I think Alex said it was like the most important scene of S2

Or something like that

[brittle olive]

That's a good question

Nikita also said "there is nothing supernatural on raven Brooks"

[marsh idol]

cap bruh

[brittle olive]

I have no idea if he was being sarcastic or not

[eager island]

it was a joke ig

[marsh idol]

it's either supernatural through machinery

[little lodge]

I think if it was, it should have been clarified

[marsh idol]

kinda similar to FNAF in SOME way

https://youtu.be/2i_tzCoV9w0?si=lLvFAiMQDRmtt2s1&t=820

he's definitely not Theo

btw

[eager island]

guest was never supernatural though

[marsh idol]

or human

[brittle olive]

I think he was being sarcastic cuz no way a giant purple beam coming out from a sinkhole is not supernatural

[marsh idol]

he has to be

there's media of him literally with super speed, control over the crows and shapeshift

[little lodge]

I just find it hard to believe that he was NEVER supernatural, he could've been retconned to be, but from what we saw in HNVR, books and HN2 alphas, he was in no way just a guy in a suit

[brittle olive]

Maybe Nikita was referring to his story?

Like we know Nikita's guest is no supernatural

[marsh idol]

there's also proof of supernatural things happening shown in HMWTRB which obviously isn't canon but still contradicts canon elements
where Theo's brother seemingly becomes the shadow man after he fell

[little lodge]

Maybe, the devs do tend to be quite vague

[brittle olive]

WTRB is Canon?

[marsh idol]

no

[brittle olive]

yes

[marsh idol]

it has elements from the game and books

[brittle olive]

It is canon

[marsh idol]

no??

[brittle olive]

Nikita said everything is canon dude

[marsh idol]

it's like the fnaf movie in terms of being canon

[little lodge]

Everything's canon, just in a way we haven't expected

Probably to do with Mayak or smth

[brittle olive]

These are words from Nikita himself

[marsh idol]

then at that point the connection with the games and series is just broken

[brittle olive]

The show IS canon

[little lodge]

There are inconsistencies, but they do fit together, we'll find out eventually in the show

[marsh idol]

nick is shown as a entirely different person, why's that

i'm trying not to say bad writing

[brittle olive]

Simple answer: inconsistencies

Even the games and the books are inconsistent from each other

[little lodge]

I don't know, we'll find out how it fits together in S3

[brittle olive]

Alex said the AS is going to explain the inconsistencies

But i really don't know how

[marsh idol]

what's the AS again

[little lodge]

Animated series

[brittle olive]

Animated Series

[marsh idol]

aigh

well

hopefully it does because this pretty much collabs my entire view on the lore

[eager island]

from Adam and Nikita's perspective, guest was never supernatural

but maybe in HNVR or AS the guest may have been supernatural

[marsh idol]

well i'm definitely leaning towards supernatural

his appearance, actions and motive

which i actually don't even know his motive

is he against peterson or with the cultist

he's shown to be hostile, then helpful to Aaron

then not

[brittle olive]

I am actually praying he has nothing to do with the cult

It would be cool if he doesn't like them at all

[marsh idol]

yea i'm leaning towards that the cultist are worshipping him in someway

[brittle olive]

He sees them as copycats

[marsh idol]

you know, like same relationships as Sammy and Bendy in BATIM?

[brittle olive]

The cultists worship him but the guest doesn't actually like them

Though HN2 has heavily hinted he is part of the cult

[marsh idol]

part of it but doesn't want to

[brittle olive]

I thin what's happening here is that the guest is part of the cult and is using them for his own benefits

[marsh idol]

what's his motive either way

[brittle olive]

He's like their master

[marsh idol]

like what does he actually want

[brittle olive]

With the cult?

[marsh idol]

no

like overall

[brittle olive]

Who knows?

[marsh idol]

like does he want to spread bad luck to everyone

and is just gaslighting the cult

[brittle olive]

In the books he takes things from people that he thinks they don't deserve

But why is he doing that? Well who knows

[brittle olive]

I don't think that's what he wants

That's sort of the cult's thing

[marsh idol]

then ig this will be his like placeholder

opposite santa

[brittle olive]

?

Wdym

[marsh idol]

like what we know of his motive for now

[brittle olive]

That's not really his motive

[marsh idol]

greedy and envious

[brittle olive]

We just know he does that

[marsh idol]

yea exactly

[brittle olive]

And manipulative

[marsh idol]

that's what he does so we take that as his motive for now

[brittle olive]

But he has to have a reason to do it

[marsh idol]

yea

well idk it's what his main hobby is then

taking things from people he thinks they don't deserve

shrug

[brittle olive]

Yah

The books imply he is Theo though

Reset day and GN2

but he clearly isn't the neighbor anymore

I think this is what's happening:

HG-ROTM: the guest is the neighbor

HN2 alpha 1 - HN2 alpha 2: Theo and the guest are separate

Reset day and GN2: Theo and the guest are the same again

HN2 beta and onwards: Theo and the guest are separate again

[marsh idol]

i hope they stay with the guest being separate from theo

although it will be harder and a less simple answer

[brittle olive]

Honestly, If the guest REALLY is just someone in a suit that would be the best option right?

[marsh idol]

that guy would look absolutely hideous then

[brittle olive]

Because atleast it makes more sense than just being some rando

[brittle olive]

Well he did

[marsh idol]

he is

[brittle olive]

Actually not really

[marsh idol]

well just depends on how they portray his appearance next

[brittle olive]

The neighbor in HG area was just the guest but with a Theo head

And he looked older

And honestly the way the guest neighbor plot was depicted in the books made it look so cool

[marsh idol]

yea true

and since with my new found knowledge of all hn media being canon

the movie should explain a lot of things right

[brittle olive]

The movie is gonna be about HN1

It isn't confirmed if the movie is canon (which i hope it isn't)

But If it is than it has to be a retelling or smth

Theo mart peter

[low kite]

Yes?

[marsh idol]

i'm actually about to

[brittle olive]

Theo Mart Peter

Yes?

[low kite]

What?

[brittle olive]

Theo Mart Peter

What?

[eager island]

loafKat
Theo Mart Peter
What?

[shell gull]

Yo so something I wanted to point out is in one of the Prototype Images for HN3 a Billboard has “Old Town” written on it, which is nice if they do plan to have Old Town be a location in the Game.

[marsh idol]

first time i saw actual english in a hello neighbor game

[ripe berry]

#hn3-discussion message

[covert fractal]

so he just has a house

to himself

[shell gull]

Even if it’s not much it’s still quite cool to see they referenced Old Town as a place in the Prototype RB World.

[shell gull]

Fr

[little lodge]

The 4 crossed out then replaced with 3 for population is hilarious

[brittle olive]

Pretty sure the game is gonna take place in old town

This is just an old raven Brooks

[marsh idol]

hopefully hn3 actually turns out good, especially amongst the haters

[jade cargo]

What's the lore explanation for Mr Peterson being here? I'd always wandered why was he there

[fickle garden]

He is just kind of hanging out on a building's roof? Not that notable of an action.

[ripe berry]

it is unknown why he was there

[ripe berry]

yes, although they (afaik) removed the Binoculars that made him visible and moved him far enough away you could hardly see him
he is there in the City in Act 3 to this day

[ripe berry]

however
as he remains in Raven Brooks during the time of the Book Reset Day and is also in HN3, which appears to be the latest point in the HN Timeline, this detail has likely been retconned out of the canon

(I know I sound like the 🤓 emoji rn)

[fickle garden]

Was Mr. Peterson canonically doing anything else during the exact day of this though? He could've just drove to the city.

[ripe berry]

the thing is-
he's sitting on top of the building
I don't think he just drove to the city for no reason

[jade cargo]

They didn't remove the binoculars

[ripe berry]

I heard that from a PC User
I wouldn't know since I only own HN1 on Xbox, which never got updated to the most recent HN1 Update (with Error World and the Vaccuum Cleaner and stuff)

[jade cargo]

I play on Play Station

[manic dirge]

i don't think its really canon. it's more so a little easter egg the devs put.

[ripe berry]

also on the "was he doing anything else" topic
during the time range from Graphic Novel 2 (which has a unclear timeline placement but most put it after Hello Neighbor 2 but before Act 3 of HN1)
Theodore kinda... becomes the Guest (dunno how to explain it)
so yeah
he's kinda... busy with that
granted there's a CHANCE HN3 retconned this since we dunno how the Guest will work in HN3 (well not retconned... it's complicated)

[jade cargo]

This is the original photo I took

[fickle garden]

He is just there sitting, no need to bully him.

[fickle garden]

Okay but that relies on that fan interpretation though.

[ripe berry]

tldr;
Everything is canon in HN in one universe but we dunno how

(well, other then Alphas, Betas, other prototypes, demos, #nog-simming, and the Animated Series Pilot)

[marsh idol]

me when i lose my kid, wife and job and forced to lock my only child in my basement which raises suspicion on me by the locals which then forces me to secure my house while dealing with a cultist

[brittle olive]

I don't think there's any lore explanation for that

He's just there

[brittle olive]

Theodore IS the guest

NeighborLikeVisitor is canon change my mind

[marsh idol]

then first you’re going to have to through his body routine

[vagrant igloo]

He isn't tho

[dry patio]

Gn2 and reset day....

[marsh idol]

let them believe it 😁

well tbh don’t, there’s a little too much evidence against it imo

[little lodge]

But who could he be otherwise? It makes no sense whatsoever at all, given the Guest’s ties with FPs and how Peterson hates them, but who else could be the suspect?

[vagrant igloo]

We don't even know for sure he is human

[little lodge]

No matter how unlikely, it has to be the one who checks all the odds

But then the way we hear that the Guest is referred to as “who” and how they say he is someone, and how he’s not supernatural, he kinda has to be a human

And then the other categories that make him Peterson

[vagrant igloo]

Its not. The guest can jump ten feet straight into the air for one. For two, in HN2 alphas he locks up the neighbor. Three, Read the comics. Four, completely different builds.

And the neighbor old, he can't be that agile

[dry patio]

"he is flesh and bones like the rest of us" -alex

[little lodge]

HG and HN2 alphas are not reliable in any way shape or form

[fickle garden]

Literally Jerry.

[vagrant igloo]

So, doesn't make him human

[vagrant igloo]

Ik, but it shows their intent

[little lodge]

They changed a lot of ideas in development of HN2, always take the latest build miles ahead in reliability than previous ones, as lots of them have old lore ideas that just don’t fit

[dry patio]

"AS guest is not supernatural"

[fickle garden]

If the neighbor is the guest... Then why is he slower when he isn't in the bird costume, is he stupid?

[little lodge]

I don’t know, but until we properly find out everything in S3, Peterson is the Guest

Even though it doesn’t make sense that he’s in two places at once in HN2, they’ll reveal SOME way for it all to make sense

[fickle garden]

Or you are wrong, which is more likely.

[little lodge]

Besides HN2 is now semi-canon I’m pretty sure

[little lodge]

Well who do you propose for it to be?

[fickle garden]

Does it really matter who it is? It's the guest.

[little lodge]

Yes it does matter, we’ve been told the mysteries of the guest will be revealed, and how it’s SOMEONE

Telling us it’s not SOMETHING, SOMEONE

[vagrant igloo]

guest straight up jumps from a standing position without any momentum onto the roof of a tall platform

[fickle garden]

But if you want to use the show, Mr. Peterson was in jail the whole time during season 2 plus one of the crow faces went to the jail to try and kill him.

[little lodge]

Crow faces aren’t the Guest

[fickle garden]

Never said they were.

[little lodge]

You implied it from the way you said a crow face went to kill him during S2

I don’t know how to explain Peterson is the Guest honestly

But there’s a way

[fickle garden]

Well I assumed the crow faces are on the guest's side right?

[little lodge]

They worship him, yes

[vagrant igloo]

HN comics over being disappointed in yall

[little lodge]

I’m just gonna say it now, it’s a really unsatisfying conclusion, I dislike the Guest just being Peterson or a guy in a suit, but it’s all we have

The best explanation is the GN2 or RD explanation

But how does that still fit in new modern lore?

[fickle garden]

It's the most unlikely solution, and the most disappointing one.

[little lodge]

One of the most disappointing, but not the most unlikely

We will find a way for it all to fit together

It might be that the Guest isn’t Peterson

But from what we have at this current point in time, Guest is Peterson

[fickle garden]

Prove it then?

[vagrant igloo]

He not brah

Read the comics.... The comics...

[little lodge]

Well for starters, the Guest isn’t supernatural

So that rules out any manifestation or evil entity nonsense

Because we’ve been TOLD directly that he’s not supernatural

[vagrant igloo]

boing the guest jump from one spot onto a roof

[fickle garden]

READING IS FOR NERDS!

[little lodge]

We’ve also been told he’s flesh and bones like the rest of us

He’s a creature

[fickle garden]

Mutant crow!

[little lodge]

I will admit that’s a bit vague for him to be a human

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah.. I said that

[little lodge]

But we heard from Alex that we will find out “WHO is the guest?”

[fickle garden]

Imagine it's someone named "Who".

[vagrant igloo]

In hn3 we might

[vagrant igloo]

The Grinch, should've known

[little lodge]

That seems to be referring to a human don’t you think, you wouldn’t say “who did that?” to a bunch of pigs would you?

[vagrant igloo]

I would tho

[little lodge]

And the comics seem to show the Guest is some kind of split personality thing from Peterson, something that’s taking him over

He also has a moustache in RD

And the figure in the Guest MUST look like Peterson

[vagrant igloo]

The guest can shape shift. Explain that

[little lodge]

We know this all from GN2, RD, and statements

[little lodge]

How? I have no idea.

But overall, MOST of the evidence leads to Guest being Peterson

[fickle garden]

Evidence being?

[little lodge]

Peterson also has luck devices and cult devices so that could explain some of the lights flickering and weird stuff happening around Guest

[little lodge]

My previous comments

[vagrant igloo]

Me watching the guest jump straight up into the air onto the roof of a building

[fickle garden]

Yes but then we mention something that makes it near impossible for Peterson to be the guest and you just say you don't know.

[little lodge]

It’s the majority of evidence, majority should take priority over minority

And it’s because I don’t know, I don’t work for TinyBuild

[vagrant igloo]

What majority?

[little lodge]

I have no idea how the story works

[little lodge]

The majority of evidence

[vagrant igloo]

What evidence

[little lodge]

My previous comments?

[vagrant igloo]

Weak answer

[little lodge]

Statements that imply him to be Peterson

[vagrant igloo]

What statements are you referring to?

[little lodge]

The ones by Alex and Nikita referring to the Guest

No, I don’t have a link, yes, they exist and are true

[fickle garden]

All they said was that it was a someone, not Peterson.

[vagrant igloo]

Gimme an example of what they said about the guest that implies that it was theo

[little lodge]

Comics show it has something to do with Peterson very much

[fickle garden]

You won't trick me into reading a book.

[vagrant igloo]

Comics also show that Theo saves the town from the guest flooding it

[little lodge]

Well from their messages, we can infer the guest is a human, it’s somebody, it’s flesh and bones LIKE us, and he was never supernatural

[little lodge]

Demonstration of split personality or something like that

[vagrant igloo]

Just because something is supernatural doesn't mean it isn't flesh and blood

[little lodge]

Moreso Peterson giving into his darker self, the Guest

[little lodge]

Wdym?

[vagrant igloo]

The guest doesn't have to be human to be flesh and blood, he could easily be supernatural.

[little lodge]

He’s not supernatural

100%

[fickle garden]

Okay but if the Guest was a personality of Mr. Peterson he would want Mr. Peterson to stay alive as if he dies the guest dies right?

[vagrant igloo]

Dogs are not human but are flesh And blood. Flesh and blood means nothing

[fickle garden]

The guest is a dog?

[vagrant igloo]

No. I'm saying flesh and blood doesn't mean human

[little lodge]

Not really, it’s more of a representation of the mental issues and split personality of Peterson, one side dying and the other side taking over in his place, he didn’t actually die, he just fully consumed to his darker self

[fickle garden]

That's not what I meant, one of the crow faces was sent to the police station to murder Mr. Peterson, however if the Guest was Peterson then wouldn't the Guest have established something to make sure they don't attempt that?

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah, why would Theo kill a cult member if he was the guest?

[little lodge]

The Guest does what he wants, Layout V2’s concept showed this, the cult worship the Guest, but the Guest does what he wants, taking what he thinks people don’t deserve, it’s a one sided relationship really, he uses the cult to his advantage

It’s the other split personality, they are opposing forces but are both in the body and mind of Peterson

[vagrant igloo]

Whatever. I'm going to bed. Bye

[little lodge]

Bye.

[fickle garden]

I assume the guest wouldn't want Peterson to potentially be murdered.

[little lodge]

Well, the Guest wants to take over and doesn’t really care about Peterson, he metaphorically kills him in GN2, and prior to that, he tortures Peterson in HNVR, he is the opposing self of Peterson and his personality, he tortures Peterson relentlessly, and Peterson is terrified of him

[fickle garden]

Okay but if Peterson was dead PHYSICALLY, the guest would be dead as well if they were sharing the same body.

[little lodge]

He doesn’t die physically, not from what we’ve seen, if Peterson dies, Guest dies, if Guest dies, Peterson dies

Both are Theodore Masters Peterson, just split identities

[fickle garden]

I was referring to when one of the crow faces attempts to murder him in the show which would kill the guest as well, if the Guest was smart he would've told the crow faces not to do that, however that either means the guest is an idiot, or Peterson isn't the guest.

[little lodge]

Peterson and the Guest were both trapped in that cell, they both are the same body, the Guest doesn’t care about the FPs and their safety, Peterson absolutely despised them to the point of pure hatred, he couldn’t have turned into the Guest because Peterson hates the Guest and fears it, and the Guest didn’t know the FPs were coming, besides, how would the Guest get out of the cell? Peterson took one look at the crow face and snapped their neck

The Guest isn’t something Peterson can willingly turn into at the click of a finger

Peterson tries to avoid it, he fears it

[lone hatch]

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[wintry cedar]

da guest is supernatural

i am the 1003th person to say it in this discord

[brittle olive]

Bro ya'll don't know what sarcasm is

[brittle olive]

Simple answer: Theo got depression and started eating a shit ton and got fat

And he stopped doing workouts

[brittle olive]

That's because i hid all the evidence

[brittle olive]

"i look forward to the day i can tell everyone who the guest is" - adam

The guest is always referred to as a who and not a It. He isn't a creature

Seriously, there is so much evidence against that, stop coping, the guest is literally just someone in a suit

[eager island]

yeah but,

who is crowface
what is guest

alex used these words

[inland jewel]

I just came to this channel, what's happening lol?

From reading the message history, I think I agree with "loafKat" but idk

[brittle olive]

Disagree

[inland jewel]

what?

[brittle olive]

Peterson being the guest is a good idea

[inland jewel]

Not peterson

[brittle olive]

Im not talking to you

[inland jewel]

oh

ok

sry

[brittle olive]

He was the guest in GN2 and he was badass

[crude dew]

different storyl-

[brittle olive]

Wether the guest being Peterson would be dissapointed depends on the writing

[safe charm]

Yeah

[brittle olive]

Same goes to any conclusion ig

[crude dew]

why are you guys holding onto the HG plot
we should rather discuss why Guest shouldn't be Aaron

[safe charm]

We aren’t holding onto the hg plot though we are discussing graphic novel 2 and reset day stuff

[crude dew]

guestbor is hg plot

[safe charm]

Well in the end of graphic novel 2 and in reset day guest is the neighbor as well in some form

[brittle olive]

You're not gonna believe this but: Just because the guest is a human doenst mean he doesn't have abilities

[crude dew]

they took Nikita's base ideas (which weren't 1:1 this in the comic) and made a new story about it
I'm more than certain now that i read those yt comments from him

[safe charm]

Well why not

They are writers as well they can add to the story it’s not just Nikita that is incharge of everything anymore

[crude dew]

they ended up causing a mess, there's like 5 Guest versions atm

idk why didn't they at least keep to Nikita's idea. even if he left during the development of hn2. they should've been like "ok but this plot is fire man"
at least the story would've made sense😭

[safe charm]

We don’t even know what Nikita’s version of the guest lore was

[crude dew]

idk if I said it here or elsewhere, we also have two Petersons

Nikita's neighbor probably wants to chill, because HN was never about revenge
Alex's (or idk whose) Neighbor is going on a revenge tour for some reason

[safe charm]

I kinda prefer Ted being a actual antagonist

[crude dew]

I'd say, it is in fact there
the roots of it
you just need to dig into the stuff he made before he left

with HG we're in the darkness
but early hn2 has surprisingly much

[crude dew]

I always prefer the original creators idea
since he's the creator

i can write fanfics myself too

[safe charm]

If guest was more metaphorical back than or something

I wouldn’t like that I prefer if he’s completely real and not a representation of something

[crude dew]

but hn has always been metaphorical or how to say
symbolical
that's a better word

always
well. the real hn was

[safe charm]

Yes but I don’t want entire characters to be just a metaphor

I don’t mind the thing being a representation but the Guest? I like being a actual real character

[little lodge]

Not a metaphor, rather a personality of Peterson, the Guest is still Theodore Masters Peterson, just his other, darker, crueler side

The Guest isn't his own being so to speak

[crude dew]

but that's the point of the whole thing?
to have the game use symbolism that you actually have to think about and research??

...
idk people want things "to be like"....
that's why hn is losing it's identity in the first place
I don't want HN to have the storytelling of Stranger things or Squid game or whatever idk. I want HN to be HN again in hn3 😭

[brittle olive]

I mean it would make sense if he was both real and metaphorical if he is just the neighbor

[safe charm]

True I can agree with that

[brittle olive]

The guest as a character is the neighbor's personality but the guest still physically exists as a costume which the neighbor wears

[safe charm]

Well hn3 shouldn’t just ignore everything else because Nikita being incharge of its story

Even he himself said everything is canon

[little lodge]

Yeah that's pretty much what the Guest is now

[crude dew]

Nikita made hn
he's making hn3
conclusion

[dry depot]

is beatrix ever gonna appear again or was she scrapped

[ripe berry]

she's dead.

[vagrant igloo]

Maybe not, but she is missing

[grim pecan]

theory: Beatrix was also investigating Raven Brooks but one night the Guest caught her and she was never seen again.

[brittle olive]

Nah

She went missing while playing hide and seek

Also she was a child, i don't see why she would do that

[grim pecan]

sorry I've only heard of the missing poster of her and not actually seen it

[brittle olive]

Not posters

It's a newspaper of her dissapearence that you can find in the Forest area

[grim pecan]

can you send a screenshot

[brittle olive]

It's this

DEADLY HIDING

????? ?? ???? The missing girl. "We we're just playing hide and seek with beatrix", said her brother Q- (Quentin)

The question marks are words that i couldnt figure out but that's what it says for the most part

[vagrant igloo]

This is what I think it reads:
DEADLY HIDING
Still no word on the missing girl. "We were just playing hide and seek then Beatrix..." Said her brother Quentin.

Basically the same as what you said, but with the first part.

[brittle olive]

That's what i thought it said but i didn't include it cuz it doenst make much sense without the "on"

[ripe berry]

they may have just forgot to include it

because the devs are russian
and in Russia they combine the "on the" into a single word
(at least Google Translate does that when I type "still no word on the missing" into it)

same reason Quentin uses "we" when describing himself playing with Beatrix

it was probably hastily thrown together so they didn't catch that those spots didn't make sense in English

[safe charm]

Anyways I’m just gonna forget about the guest for now lol in terms of theorizing

It’s literally impossible either way

[ripe berry]

same
I'm still gonna talk about it
just not try to solve how he works

[safe charm]

Like was graphic novel 2 backover just lying or is it outdated who the hell knows

[ripe berry]

a better translation on their part would've been
"Deelday Hoding!"
"Sitll on rodw no eth simming lirg. "I swa tsuj leipang diehe nad kees thiv Treabix," yass reh thorber Q-"

[dry patio]

It says directly

And no other game directly ties into this

Novel

This could just be a miscommunication by everyone involved ig

[little lodge]

It was meant to tie into old HN2 (HN2 Alpha 2 but as a full game)

[eager island]

so AS is planned to tie into old hn2

[little lodge]

No, wdym?

[dry patio]

the animated series was meant to tie into hn2

(old)

[little lodge]

Well, HN2 full game is kind of it's own continuity, all other medias have a different form of HN2, games have a version similar to HN2 Beta, books have one that's similar to HN2 Alpha 1.5/2, and AS uses basically the full game but in modern day and with some differences

Regular HN2 doesn't really fit in the games, books or AS timelines

Well, I shouldn't say that, they're all connected, but you get what I mean by timelines

[digital basalt]

Will the Hello Neighbor Movie be part of the games and books story or it will just be in another universe?

[eager island]

it will be based on original game

with some story beats from books and AS

so its different timeline

[digital basalt]

Ok

[brittle olive]

For now im going to say he's Theo

[brittle olive]

The new or old AS?

[dry patio]

New

[brittle olive]

Oh

That would've been cool

[dry patio]

Old hn2 tie in AS

[brittle olive]

God i wish these things like the books and series actually had tied to HN2

[dry patio]

But we cant have connectivity in hn tho

[brittle olive]

We can but the storyline is just badly written so now they have to find an excuse to explain the "inconsistencies"

Everything contradicts each other

[dry patio]

Hn2 contradicts AS which contradicts hn1 yadayada

[little lodge]

Honestly HN1 and AS don't really clash, it's the other media of HN1's timeline that clashes with AS

Like HNVR

[brittle olive]

Not really

There are some inconsistent parts between AS and HN1

[little lodge]

Well, for the most part, HN1 is just trauma and distorted memories from childhood, and the only reason Nicky still has old technology in the real parts of Act 3 is because he's poor ahh

[brittle olive]

Prime example would be in HN1 nicky explores the house without the others

This is explained in the books

But then AS contradicts it

[little lodge]

Books also seem to be inconsistent memories from HND

Games being just slightly more reliable

Like HN1 Act 1 is more reliable than the end of Book 3 even though it isn't entirely accurate

But yeah, I'm not denying there's inconsistencies, the entire franchise is filled with them

[digital basalt]

Who?