lore-discussion

[silver cargo]

My theory is he just built the layout of the house without considering safety or anything.

Then he just threw stuff into some rooms and just left some rooms empty.

[brittle olive]

Most likely

[muted moon]

reset day and gn2 were clearly trying to show he was just a guy in a suit
hnvrs dream doors were obviously just dreams but nobody figured it out for ages.... somehow...
hn2 doesnt really have anything pointing to either

[safe charm]

Then why do his face Transform

From a beak into having large mustache

[muted moon]

the transformation scenes all took place over like 10 seconds minimum

that was made very clear

stuff like piper was hiding for a while, looked again, now he has a moustache

then he just walks away

[safe charm]

Fair

[muted moon]

the final transformation was similar iirc

[muted moon]

could just be poking out the sides of the beak

[safe charm]

I wonder how they are gonna explain guest not being Ted anymore

[muted moon]

how do we know he isnt still ted

[safe charm]

Hn2 and no i don’t Think its just a cultist

[muted moon]

i do think forest guest is probably a crowface though

he has a cape

[lone hatch]

Judging a book by it's cover 😧

[safe charm]

@brittle olive so you know how in that Nightmare scene they show the shadow of the guest looming over mr Peterson it could represent all his bad sides consuming him

[brittle olive]

Holy peak you're right

And the guest having a beak is supposed to represent the cult

So the guest appearence is sort of a mimickry of the cultists outfits

[safe charm]

Also the ending chase could symbolize Ted succombing to the guest persona

The guest cornering him

[silver cargo]

So, that's my theory about the old HN versions.

Well, tbh the HN story changed ALOT over the unfinished versions.

Pre Alpha - Alpha 1 = Peterson was the Devil and his basement was a way to hell.

Alpha 2 - Alpha 3 = Peterson had connections to the devil and lost his family

Alpha 4 - Beta 3 = You were Petersons son. You moved back to your fathers house and you relived your terrible past and tried to uncover the secrets of your father.

[unkempt sleet]

tbh when peterson was devil, why would he protect the way to hell

wouldnt it make more sense that he protects the way to heaven or something

[silver cargo]

Makes sense honeslty.
There was a bright light in his basement.

[crude dew]

f a u s t 📘

i read the book and ik the answers to everything you guys asked

[brittle olive]

Say it

[wicked heath]

Reset day llovely

[safe charm]

The craziest thing is that its somehow canon even now

[wicked heath]

Apparently

Still waiting for Mayak to “explain everything” since 2020

[cunning wave]

?

in their vid for hn2

[old glacier]

yes

🗣️

[brittle olive]

If this doesn't have anything to do with timeloops i'll be impressed

Tbh i Hope it does

[old glacier]

that "timeloops being all different" thing is the go to theory for me now

[safe charm]

What was the Question about??

[old glacier]

inconsistencies between book 1 and 5

[safe charm]

Oh how the hell is mayak gonna explain that….

I can Genuinely only Think of time loops

[quasi blaze]

How long did Nicky stay in Ted's basement? I know the ACT2 Map is Nicky's distorted memories

but im still curious tho

[spark epoch]

That makes sense but did someone confirm it was distorted memories

Or just an obvious assumption since the house is 10 times bigger when he wakes up

[quasi blaze]

Idk some people say Nikita confirmed it

[little lodge]

Around 2 months

[quasi blaze]

okay ty

[quasi blaze]

vr game confirms that i think

[spark epoch]

The two mini houses on top look so goofy

[snow mauve]

For only 2 months he was locked in the basement

[spark epoch]

Also do you recommend getting the vr game

[quasi blaze]

Damn what were Nicky's parents doing😭

[snow mauve]

not caring

[quasi blaze]

Yeah i think its fun

[snow mauve]

Nicky gets to stay with his buddy while losing his mind!

[quasi blaze]

What beautiful parents

[ripe berry]

well that's one way to confirm the Basement was hell in Pre-Alpha
#hn3-discussion message

[jade cargo]

How many time lines of HN we have actually?

[brittle olive]

The afterlife you mean

Well actually kinda both

[old glacier]

1 timeline apparently but the inconsistencies are related to mayak

[brittle olive]

Same

But i have a feeling they'll come up with some other shit explanation

[jade cargo]

There's no way 💀
We have the books' time line, the animated series timeline, SN and HE timeline, H&S and HN Time line, HNVR time line and HN2 time line

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon!

Even the creator himself said that

[jade cargo]

Where

Also I'd hear that the books aren't canon

[brittle olive]

Nikita literally said it

Nikita and Alex in think

The boks are canon

Just "not in the way you think" according to nikita

Timeloops

[snow mauve]

Obviously a lie

[brittle olive]

Reset day is good

[jade cargo]

I heard that in HE there's a timeloop, so it can be different timelines made by the loop

[brittle olive]

HE is the neighbor testing teh timeloops

I think

But it ends up in a pocket dimension instead

HN 3 may be related to timeloops though

[brittle olive]

There's the screenshot

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon but not in a way we think

[brittle olive]

Timeloops

[snow mauve]

Nothing is supernatural

🫨

[jade cargo]

They didn't translate any book to Spanish but missing pieces and walking Nightmares, and the youtuber that made sums of the books in spanish say that she's not doing that anymore, and she only did to grave mistakes, I don't know what happens in puzzle master or reset day except from some descriptions I'd heard

[brittle olive]

Damn that's crazy

But timeloops

Guestworld is canon

[snow mauve]

And there's apparently timeloops

[jade cargo]

???
How a device that can control weather, other that can control luck and a time loop is not supernatural?

[brittle olive]

I think originally reset day was Just there to confirm the neighbor and the guest we're the same

Because of the old lore

[snow mauve]

Don't ask me ask the creator lol

[brittle olive]

He's joking

I think

[snow mauve]

Even tho he won't obviously answer that

[snow mauve]

Nope

[brittle olive]

Who said that again?

Alex?

[snow mauve]

They even claim the guest not being supernatural

[brittle olive]

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic

Because Raven Brooks is obviously supernatural

[snow mauve]

Wrong

[jade cargo]

It wasn't about Enzo being missing?

[snow mauve]

They're both separate things

[brittle olive]

Ik

[snow mauve]

No you don't lol

[brittle olive]

But that was back when the guest used to be the neighbor

I think idk

[snow mauve]

That was around hello guest

Smh

[brittle olive]

Exactly

[snow mauve]

Reset day's story is different

Bozo

[brittle olive]

Nah

[snow mauve]

Yup

[brittle olive]

It's all the same thing

Bozo

[snow mauve]

Keep telling yourself that

[jade cargo]

Oh my god, I hope tinybuild translates all the books to Spanish, cause I'm missing a lot of content

[snow mauve]

Obviously

[brittle olive]

It's true though

Because i said so

[brittle olive]

Use google translator

[snow mauve]

Mind as well watch the animated series just for a bit of refresher

[brittle olive]

10/10 no flaws translations

[jade cargo]

That doesn't work as well as you might think

[brittle olive]

It does

Cuz i said so

[snow mauve]

Dude shut up fr

[jade cargo]

I'm trying to do my own translation though, I'm translating burried secrets rn

[snow mauve]

Cool

[brittle olive]

❌

Maybe one day

[snow mauve]

In a alternative world where people like you weren't around..

[brittle olive]

Are you using google translator

[snow mauve]

Nahhhhhhh

[brittle olive]

And indidnt even know what i did of wrong

Great

[jade cargo]

Idk why carly had to use such strange words, like there're sinnonims that are less complicated to understand

[brittle olive]

Who the hell is carly

[snow mauve]

Book writer

[brittle olive]

Oh ok

[snow mauve]

Start catching up

[brittle olive]

Nah

Im too broke

[jade cargo]

Nah, I'm doing on my own and with some help of someone who knows to speak English more fluent than me

[snow mauve]

What does that have to do with anything?

[brittle olive]

That's cool

[jade cargo]

Carly anne west

[brittle olive]

I cant buy the books

Which means i can't catch up

[safe charm]

Then dont i don’t Think you need them to understand the lore

[snow mauve]

Nobody told u to buy them???

The hell you on

[brittle olive]

I never did lol

[snow mauve]

Yeah

We got AS now lol

[brittle olive]

I also never said that???

[snow mauve]

What is bro trying to accomplish at this point

[brittle olive]

The books have extra information though

I think

[snow mauve]

losing braincells is crazy

[jade cargo]

I don't know where I heard it, but I thought that delroy and trinity were siblings until I saw the animated series

[brittle olive]

My daily day life

[snow mauve]

Definitely misinfo

[brittle olive]

What are you even on about 💀💀💀

Im not trying to accomplish anything

[snow mauve]

🤨

[jade cargo]

I want something that tell us what happened after act 2 with nicky, Aaron and the neighbor's house, something like a book, a game or anything else

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2 begins

[brittle olive]

Pretty sure that already exists

Bro never heard of hnvr

[snow mauve]

The books doesn't cover what happened after but the animated series does show us what happens after act 2 with hello neighbor 2 game

[brittle olive]

Oh actually that was during act 2

[snow mauve]

Bro didn't read the question right

[brittle olive]

I did

Yes i did

[brittle olive]

Actually that was before act 2

Bcuz

After they open the door is when nicky escapes

And then nicky escapes

[silver vine]

Hello Neighbor 2:
Welcome to Raven Brooks seasons 2 and 3:

[snow mauve]

horrible question

[silver vine]

Yesyes

That's me

[brittle olive]

Hnvr:

The books:

[jade cargo]

That game didn't tell me anything

[brittle olive]

HE:

hello neighbor 3:

Secret neighbor:

[snow mauve]

Yep

[jade cargo]

That seems like SN single player

[snow mauve]

But it did show you what happened

After act 2

Story may be unfinished but it's what we got so far

[jade cargo]

No cus is a different time line

[snow mauve]

Wrong

[brittle olive]

It literally shows what happened after act 2

It's a direct continuation

[snow mauve]

It takes place exactly after Nicky escaped

And before he was an adult

[jade cargo]

Yes, but it didn't told me how the house burnt, for example

[snow mauve]

It may have the same kid classes but it does have it's story

[snow mauve]

That is something still remaining unknown

[brittle olive]

It burned because of a storm that devastated the entire town

[snow mauve]

All we can do is hope that HN2 might give some clarification on it

[jade cargo]

In the game nicky lives in front of Theo's house in the show trinity does

[brittle olive]

That was supposed to be in patch 10

[snow mauve]

She lives next to Nicky's house on the left lol

Nicky's house is still in front of Peterson's

Just the animated show kinda sucks at making good angles

[jade cargo]

I think SN is like a simulation that the kids are doing to see if their plan to rescue nicky works

[brittle olive]

Well that explains some thing

[brittle olive]

Pretty sure SN is just the kids imaginations

[snow mauve]

Yeah secret neighbor is just the kids using their own imagination

But in hello neighbor vr they actually break in

But then all get caught

And eventually got sent free with nicky

[jade cargo]

In the show trinity is the new kid, in the books trinity lived there even before Lucy yi's death

[brittle olive]

Inconsistencies

[snow mauve]

Yep inconsistencies goes crazyyyy

[brittle olive]

That will be explained in AS seaosn 3

Apparently

[snow mauve]

Nope

No one said it would lol

[brittle olive]

Yes it will

[snow mauve]

Other than the mayak serves it's importance

[jade cargo]

I always wondered how Enzo managed to become trinity's boyfriend

[brittle olive]

Pretty sure Alex said that

[snow mauve]

Not with the Lucy yi thing lmao

Just the mayak itself

[snow mauve]

They just been dating in the books

Before Aaron and Nicky met them

[brittle olive]

Im talking about the inconsistencies

[jade cargo]

No, Aaron met Enzo before they started dating

[brittle olive]

Which is probably tied to the mayak

[snow mauve]

I don't think that's really the case lol

[snow mauve]

Just remembered now

[jade cargo]

Btw, how do you pronunce Mya? Mia or Maya ?

[snow mauve]

Mya

[brittle olive]

I didn't understand that

[snow mauve]

None of us understand it

Which is why we wait and see

[brittle olive]

Im talking about your message

I didn't understand it

[snow mauve]

k sucks to be you ig lol

[brittle olive]

That's so cool

Anymore cool facts you could share with us?

[brittle olive]

Maya

K

[snow mauve]

❌

Mya

[brittle olive]

Why do you always send 2 messages everytime you tal

[snow mauve]

Discord mobile is broken for me

[brittle olive]

❌

[snow mauve]

It's been happening to me throughout the day

[brittle olive]

Maya

[snow mauve]

Was it really necessary

To just do that again

[brittle olive]

Yes

[snow mauve]

When you just reacted to my message

Like I can see that little bro

Smh

[brittle olive]

Cool but i did it again

Should i send it again

[jade cargo]

So my headcanon stills being that there're a lot of time lines because of the loop

[brittle olive]

Most likely the case

Timeloops

[snow mauve]

I wonder how that shit would work

If that's really the case

[brittle olive]

What if guestworld is canon

Guestworld created the timeloops

[brittle olive]

I think It's smth like this:

Mayak creates storm
Storm creates loop
Each loop has different events
HN 3 is the looping point

The protagonist is trying to break from the loop

[jade cargo]

Well I heard that in reset day there some devices that makes you inmune to the loop, so if someone conserves their memories and make a change in the past when the loop restarts that can alterate the timeline

[brittle olive]

The neighbor is controlling the loop (?)
And the guest is trying to idk. Create the loops?

Or do some shit with it

[jade cargo]

I want to do the mayak event, I never had the opportunity to do it

[brittle olive]

In secret neighbor?

Can you even do that

I never played SN

[jade cargo]

Yes, all the players and the neighbor have to cooperate to pull some levers at the same time or something like that

[brittle olive]

Yeah but it already happened

So you can redo events or smth?

[jade cargo]

Eh? I don't think is an event, all the levers still there

[brittle olive]

Actually, since HN 3 is probably focused on the guest. I find it likely he's the one controlling it

[snow mauve]

Too bad the book ended on a cliffhanger

And now we're probably never gonna know

What happens next

[brittle olive]

And the neighbor is probably trying to use the loops to, idk. Go back in time?

[snow mauve]

I don't think he even knows about this

Oh wait nvm

Hello engineer

[brittle olive]

Yep

[snow mauve]

Just remembered the ending

That was his goal

Trying to go back in time

But unfortunately failed

[brittle olive]

YES

exactly

The cultists probably started the timeloop by using the mayak

[jade cargo]

I'm asking for HE and HNVR for Christmas to see the story

[brittle olive]

Teh guest is controlling it

[brittle olive]

And the neighbor is trying to use the loops to go back in time. Defeat teh cult and have a normal life with his family again

[snow mauve]

hello engineer really doesn't have much story lol

And also

[brittle olive]

Peak HN lore

[snow mauve]

The gameplay won't be very fun for you lmao

Controls are awful

[brittle olive]

Is SN any fun or good

[snow mauve]

used to be

But not anymore at least to me

Back in 2019-2020 was peak SN for me

[brittle olive]

Why is it not fun anymore?

[snow mauve]

When there was no guest, ghost neighbor, Otto, or Quentin

[jade cargo]

It's fun, but it's way better if you play it with your friends

[brittle olive]

Oh ok

[jade cargo]

Why?

[snow mauve]

New maps, new leveling up system, made the game look uglier now, and each new update kinda drops the quality

At least in my opinion

[snow mauve]

Wdym why?

[brittle olive]

Well ok

I'll still play it

[jade cargo]

Btw @snow mauve, in which plataform do you play?

[brittle olive]

Once i get it of course

[snow mauve]

Xbox only

Why

[jade cargo]

You don't like those characters?

[snow mauve]

They're cool it's just that they're a bit too overpowered and idk

Not a fan of them being added as classes

The guest and Quentin are fine

[jade cargo]

Nah, I'm searching for someone who can help me to do a trophie, but ps only has crossplay with nintendo

[snow mauve]

But ghost and otto

My god

They're not fun

[snow mauve]

What trophie is it

[brittle olive]

Oh so they have mechanics

That's cool ig

[snow mauve]

Well duhhhh

Every class

Has their own different ability

[jade cargo]

That one of getting caught five times in one match by the neighbor and survive

[brittle olive]

Eerm, i thought they we're just skins or smth

[snow mauve]

Oh you just need to play as Maritza

[jade cargo]

That was added a long time ago

[snow mauve]

Well duh

The whole classes with abilities thing was a thing back in easter alpha in 2019

[jade cargo]

No, I have to disable bear traps to recharge the ability, so I have to found the neighbor, recharge my ability before he grabs me, 5 times, in only 15 minutes

[brittle olive]

The player of HN 3 (which i HC to be homeless) just so happened to stumble across raven brooks (maybe trying to find a job or smth) and is now trapped in the loop

[snow mauve]

You're talking about the in side quests or just the actual game achievements?

[jade cargo]

The achievement

[brittle olive]

I still wish the protagonist was adult nicky cuz it would've make sense

But oh well

[snow mauve]

This one right?

[jade cargo]

Yes

[snow mauve]

That one is fairly easy

[brittle olive]

He probably just lived a normal life after act 3 and 4

[snow mauve]

Just keep throwing shit at the player neighbor in order to gain your ability

Then just becareful

[brittle olive]

Dead by neighbor light

[jade cargo]

That no longer recharges Maritza ability

[snow mauve]

Oh damn

Well this is why SN's new updates kinda sucks lol

[brittle olive]

The neighbor looks like a really evil guy in SN

[jade cargo]

The best kid to play with is delroy

[snow mauve]

It's just him with black eyes with his hair dropped down

And apparently is named "Scary Neighbor"

[snow mauve]

To me it's enzo just for an easy win

[brittle olive]

💀

[potent harness]

and pale skin

[brittle olive]

Spoooopy neighbor

[snow mauve]

Yep

Introducing paleness

[jade cargo]

Enzo? Well if you remember every map by heart is overpowered

[potent harness]

SN Ted just looks like WTRB Ted at the end of S2

[brittle olive]

He plotting some devilish shit with that smile though i can tell it

[snow mauve]

Well I stopped playing SN after 2020

[brittle olive]

He looks funny asf

[snow mauve]

So I haven't really dug up with the new maps like the amusement park..

Nor do I want to try them out

[potent harness]

That's debatable

[jade cargo]

Is an extra space to hold any item you want, thats a lot better than running faster

[brittle olive]

Does the amusement park have any lore relevance in HN (aside from the cultists using it as a huge bad luck place in WTRB)

[potent harness]

It really just depends on what playstyle you prefer imo

like Finch and Maritza are both good for defense/offense
Trinity is good for speed, Ivan can craft tools and stuff etc.

[snow mauve]

Theo had a history on constantly build amusement parks in other countries before he moved to raven brooks

Most of his rides just keep failing and had to keep evacuating

Which is another reason why he went a little insane

He keep hurting or losing people

[brittle olive]

Eeerm, yeah ik that, but what about teh gaap?

Also Theo was kinda psycothic

[snow mauve]

Its just raven brook's own amusement park lol

Lucy dies

Then yeah

Cultists go there

Vandalize or do whatever

[brittle olive]

Like bro was making fun of the people dying in his freaking amusement parks

[brittle olive]

I thunk they're trying to reopen the park to give people bad luck

Why are they doing that? Well how should i know

[snow mauve]

Well no shit

Thanks to AS

Showing us their goal

[snow mauve]

Because they enjoy having more people dying

[brittle olive]

And also showing they're stupid

[snow mauve]

Obviously

[jade cargo]

So they're evil without reason?

[snow mauve]

Yep lol

All they want is good luck

And just enjoy ruining people's lives

[jade cargo]

Oh my gosh

[snow mauve]

Heck they purposely ruined theo's life

[brittle olive]

Let's be honest, they definitively have a deeper reason for that

[snow mauve]

To childhood

To adulthood

Still making this man's life worse

[snow mauve]

All we know is they just have beef with young theo likely cuz he's a dork ig lol

[brittle olive]

Even with hunchback Theo is still trying to defeat this cult of terrorists that can curse people

[jade cargo]

The neighbors family line Is adel + roger= theo, Lisa and the brother from the series, and then Theo + Diane= Aaron and Mya

[brittle olive]

They're just haters

[muted moon]

while hes at his lowest

[willow depot]

Imagine being a child, accidentally sending another kid falling to his death with your group, and your reaction is

"No witnesses"

[lone hatch]

Theo loses his brother due to a deadly fall
Theo loses his daughter to a deadly fall

[potent harness]

"Groovy, I dig tests!"

[cedar vortex]

Tomorow 2nd year anniversary

hello neighbor 2

[silver vine]

Damn

Time flies

[lone hatch]

2022, where it all started

[last pond]

Yep...Les go

[blazing kiln]

I wonder why in the AS the mother of Enzo and Maritza Esposito still alive?

In the book Waking Nightmare

Chapter 4 page 49

[eager island]

yea

btw most of the end of the AS takes place in Mayak

s3 e4 is completely in mayak

[blazing kiln]

But i wonder how is going to be explained?

if her mom died from cancer

[eager island]

time loop

or

something like that

[manic dirge]

I think Nikita said it wasn’t time loop

[snow mauve]

Nah

Yeah so

We retconned that shit

-mayak 2025

That was obviously a joke little bro

Smh

Canon is flexible for you kids

Mrrrrruaghhhhh

🐄

Flexible!

I said

flexible

🔊

I SAID

Flexible

📡

I'm flexing the ble brah

why do I exist?

Ask god

Or yourself

Or your imaginary friend!

Or the people you've been glazing on

[unkempt sleet]

This conversation looks like it evolved out from being a lore discussion

[snow mauve]

Hey apple

You gotta solve the lore

Of why do I exist

[unkempt sleet]

are you hn

[snow mauve]

Yes

[unkempt sleet]

?

[snow mauve]

He le confused as to why wifey is alive in AS

[unkempt sleet]

why not

[snow mauve]

Exactly

Why not

[shut hill]

Canon is flexible

[blazing kiln]

i feel like im reading the books for nothing

[shut hill]

Yeah but

Canon is very flexible

[snow mauve]

Well duh

[unkempt sleet]

you read books to read books

[snow mauve]

That's why AS is peak

[shut hill]

It bends in many abnormal ways

[snow mauve]

But books are boring apple

:<

[shut hill]

Canon can twist and turn

Canon is super flexible

[unkempt sleet]

Only if people would appreciate certain medias as it is instead of reading or watching them to solve the big lore or something

if you think you're reading the books for nothing, thats because it is if you're reading them for something else rather than wanting to read the story that the book itself presents

[snow mauve]

This guy is smart btw

Ain't wrong

[unkempt sleet]

Dude are you still on that

[snow mauve]

Yep

[unkempt sleet]

Please move on

[blazing kiln]

Who me, thanks man!

[snow mauve]

He still glazing on the quote i said

[snow mauve]

NOPE

[blazing kiln]

your my new friend JK

[snow mauve]

@unkempt sleet

Is the one

[unkempt sleet]

Lore Discussion

[shut hill]

https://tenor.com/view/glaze-gif-14668791808919620231

[unkempt sleet]

Hello Neighbor Lore

[snow mauve]

@unkempt sleet

Tell me the story of hello neighbor

:>

[unkempt sleet]

How will this affect the lore

[snow mauve]

Me

[shut hill]

Me!

[snow mauve]

Static

[unkempt sleet]

the audio is messed up

wth

[shut hill]

TV static

[snow mauve]

Brahhhh

[unkempt sleet]

The glazing killed the audio lore

[shut hill]

😔

[snow mauve]

Look at this guy

Laugh at him for being a loser

HAHHH

[shut hill]

No.

he is a sigma male

[shut hill]

Janitor:

[snow mauve]

He's onto some sugar?

[shut hill]

Wait….

Shut up!

[snow mauve]

Well I mean he is sugary

[shut hill]

Yeah apple is very sweet

heh

[unkempt sleet]

🍎

[shut hill]

Apples have sugar yeah

what is your point 🤨

[snow mauve]

You did

[snow mauve]

Cart let the adults talk, you go back to your kiddy corner 🧐

[unkempt sleet]

Okay Doctor

[snow mauve]

Wow this guy hates human beings confirmed

[blazing kiln]

This is Ms. Kyle Fleglie, right?

[unkempt sleet]

She doesnt have a name

[snow mauve]

Lily

🙂

[unkempt sleet]

and im guessing the name is one of the librarians from the guidebook

so she's probably not

[shut hill]

🐟

[blazing kiln]

YES

[balmy pewter]

purge

[eager island]

chat clear

[unkempt sleet]

Purge happened

[brittle olive]

Welp that was... Something

[unkempt sleet]

Lets continue the lore

[brittle olive]

So who is the guest

Guest is ted

[unkempt sleet]

Franklin

heh

[brittle olive]

Ted

[blazing kiln]

I dont think HN3 Lore happens after THE RAVEN BROOKS DISASTER

[snow mauve]

This is why you're my homie

We have the same thought

[brittle olive]

What if the guest is the guest

[little lodge]

I'd think it's a kind of ancient curse worshipped by the Forest Protectors that possesses Franklin after the stuff that happens when he falls down the pit

[unkempt sleet]

HN3 probably happens after a big storm (presumably the HN2 one that leads to the HN2 ruined town)

[brittle olive]

Hmmm

That's interesting

[little lodge]

And then spreading to Ted and manifesting from his negative emotions or something

[brittle olive]

Good tehory

[little lodge]

Thanks

[brittle olive]

Oh yes that would be cool

Like the curse goes from franklin to ted

[little lodge]

Yeah kinda

But we have to wait and see in S3

[brittle olive]

Best theory

[eager island]

why the old bully inventors club wanted to kill ted and franklin

only Ted wanted to join the club

[brittle olive]

I really want to see how will be his personality in it

[snow mauve]

Man I remember some people theorize that after HNVR came out

[brittle olive]

Imagine he just kills Trinity's parents

[blazing kiln]

I think is after Reset Day book because the neighbor looks pretty old, more than the Reset Day cover.

[brittle olive]

And she starts hallucinating with them or smrh

[eager island]

this channel focuses on the entire universe of Hello Neighbor

so

you can talk hn3 here

[blazing kiln]

a

[eager island]

about the lore

[blazing kiln]

So is this real

my theory

[brittle olive]

Tbh the neighbor doesn't look older at all in reset day

[eager island]

i can't say anything 100% accurate but most likely hn3 is after n7 and gn2

[blazing kiln]

the hair look a little bit white

[eager island]

btw guys

the neighbor's face in hn3 will be different than we expected

and him face is very normal on the reset day cover

[blazing kiln]

just the hair is different

[eager island]

if we think that this thing that will be different will be something like a scar

[brittle olive]

What If the other half of his face has a mask

Or it's deformed

[eager island]

maybe

[blazing kiln]

his mustache too

[brittle olive]

Reset day neighbor looks alot like HN 3 theo

[eager island]

as I said, the other half of the face will be different than we expected

[last pond]

tbh he's just a photo so it is most likely that it is from the past

[brittle olive]

Atleast shape wise

This does also lead me to believe HN 3 takes place after it because he looks way older

OR

[safe charm]

He actually do look kinda similar

[brittle olive]

following the whole timeloop theory, maybe reset day is the "HN 3" of another loop

[blazing kiln]

thats what im saying all this time. But no one believe in my theory

[eager island]

from what I remember in the book Reset Day the town was pretty normal

[last pond]

Also rememver it's just a concept art, he might look quite different in-game

[safe charm]

Yes but It was stuck in a loop cut out from the rest of the world

[eager island]

but in hn3 the town will be destroyed by a hurricane

[brittle olive]

Im thinking that HN 3 is from the first loop and the origin of all the timeloops

[eager island]

and half-abandoned

[last pond]

was that confirmed?

[brittle olive]

And in some other loop instead of HN 3 it's reset day

This is my theory

[blazing kiln]

thats what im saying all this time. But no one believe in my theory (edited)

[brittle olive]

Why did you say the same thing twice

[last pond]

People probs started leaving town after the gaap fiasco in s3

[blazing kiln]

don know

i need to go

[brittle olive]

Probably

[safe charm]

I just want the guest explained ahhhh

He is too confusing

[brittle olive]

And also the storm

[last pond]

even if the cult do get stopped it will leave a scar on the town

[brittle olive]

That we saw forming in S2 EP7

[eager island]

we should ask nikita if this is still valid in hn3

[brittle olive]

Do you think the cult will be stopped in HN 2? (If it isn't cancelled)

[last pond]

idk

they got stopped in the books

[brittle olive]

I think something will happen in the mayak that will tear the cult apart

[last pond]

but i guess when they were stopped that must have been an earlier version of the cult

[eager island]

if we put the books and games on the same timeline, they will scatter a little bit in Puzzle Master and then come back together in hn2

[last pond]

but puzzle master takes place way before when aaron was not kidnapped

[eager island]

yeah

[brittle olive]

I think some of the books are from a different loop

[eager island]

they were probably gathered around the time of the Nicky trilogy

[brittle olive]

Maybe the games and books are all separate

[safe charm]

Ughhhh i wanna know

[brittle olive]

And from a different timeloop

[eager island]

guest and mayak

[brittle olive]

That is certainly exciting

[eager island]

🤔

[brittle olive]

Do ya'll think he will appear with his old design?

I would love that

[safe charm]

He wont he Will likely wear his hn2 design

[brittle olive]

Is that confirmed?

[safe charm]

Kinda

[brittle olive]

Kinda sad tbh

I always thought he got his cloak during HN 2

Because of the intro

[eager island]

there was a post on Tinyclub about the forest protectors' second design in AS

[last pond]

they must be cooking, there's 6 tinyBuild people on

[eager island]

the third design we see now

[brittle olive]

Second design???

[eager island]

before the current one

[brittle olive]

Like an old design

[eager island]

yea

[brittle olive]

Oh the one in EP 1

[last pond]

what is tinyclub?

[brittle olive]

Tbh i don't think that can even be considered as a different design

[eager island]

tinybuild's YouTube join tab

[brittle olive]

It's literally the same thing but with a slightly gray cloak

[last pond]

so when you join on youtube you get exclusive concepts

[eager island]

?

[safe charm]

What do you Think this means

That one of the crowfaces could be guest? Or guest is entirely seperate from the cult

[brittle olive]

Im talking about the forest protectors

[last pond]

I think it means entirely seperate

[eager island]

there were always actually two questions;

who is crowface?

what is guest?

[safe charm]

They should have revealed it in hn2 imo

[brittle olive]

What he meant is that the forest protectors and the guest are separate

[eager island]

which design are you talking about?

[brittle olive]

From the AS

[safe charm]

Me when i LIE

No story or lore either for the guest

[brittle olive]

Didn't their design change from EP1 and the later episodes?

[brittle olive]

It's sad

[eager island]

are there forest protectors in the first episode?

in ep1?

[brittle olive]

From season 2

[safe charm]

It even angers me a little bit

[brittle olive]

Yes there are

[eager island]

do you mean S2 ep1?

[brittle olive]

HN 2 could've been awesome

[safe charm]

YES he do lol

[brittle olive]

Yes, in the forest part

[eager island]

lemme check

[brittle olive]

When Trinity, delroy and nicky are chasing a crowface

His cloak is slightly gray

I think

[safe charm]

Anyways that doesnt matter its just a design change

[brittle olive]

So there probably was a last minute change in their designs

[brittle olive]

What If it does

[safe charm]

The guest mystery is just kinda annoying at this point because They given us NOTHING proper to work with

[brittle olive]

True

I wish we lived in a timeline where HN 2 released and not only was it good but it also was complete

A dream that never became true

[safe charm]

Yeah like at least it could have been finished story wise but NOPE

[brittle olive]

If anything the current release we had could've been a demo

Or atleast smth like that idk

[safe charm]

The story was defenitly my biggest disappointment

[brittle olive]

It's just sad

Same

HN 2 act 1 is just HN 1 but this time it's multiple houses

[eager island]

what if Nikita had never left HN2?

[brittle olive]

And instead of the basement it's theeattic

[brittle olive]

It probably would've been better gameplay wise

I like the current story though, it's just not explained well

[eager island]

fainting sequences

[brittle olive]

Not sure if the story would've been different if nikita never left the development

[eager island]

what if Dynamic Pixels' Kickstarter Campaign had been successful?

[safe charm]

Well Nikita apperantly Said in the past that the identity of the guest would be revealed in hn2 fg

I heard that at least

[eager island]

i just realized we're on lore discussion lmao

[brittle olive]

Yeah no

[eager island]

i thought this chat was #hello-neighbor

[brittle olive]

It probably would've been even worse then HN 2 FG

[eager island]

anyway

[brittle olive]

Especially with all those promises, deluxe edition, dlcs, etc

[eager island]

doesn't the hn2 dlc take place between act 1-2 of the first game?

[brittle olive]

The concept of procedurally generated houses was cool but i prefer way more the new story over the old one

[brittle olive]

After act 2

Actually no yeah

You're right

[safe charm]

Hnvr narrative was sooo much better then hn2’s imo and hnvr narrative is even more simple but its executed much better

[brittle olive]

TRUE

[eager island]

i don't think it's after Act 2 because Nicky is still missing in the newly added intros.

[safe charm]

🔥

[brittle olive]

Ik , i thought you we're talking about the Fg

[safe charm]

I need another hn game to feel like hnvr dude

In terms of the last part

[eager island]

hnvr 2 when

[brittle olive]

Is guestworld canon btw

[safe charm]

Yes its called guest world in the files

[brittle olive]

Oh that's cool

What is it

[safe charm]

The guest dimension which may or may not be Physical we do not know

[brittle olive]

Is teh guest world like a dream dimension

[safe charm]

Ye

[brittle olive]

That's cool

I think the guestworld would've played a big role in the early alphas

[safe charm]

It would according to alex

[eager island]

i think there is a very small day difference between hn2 and hnvr (act2 too)

[brittle olive]

What if guestworld is appears in HN 3

[safe charm]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1MYfd_X4gSFrknr4HuXHujbEXitkV1nS?si=3HJzhVqTrebmjRV2

[brittle olive]

That would be cool right?

[safe charm]

Yes

Theres a cut scream of Aaron that would have played at the end of hnvr as you get flung backwards and mr Peterson escaped without him

[eager island]

tomorrow hn2 is 2 years old

actually

34 minutes left for me

[brittle olive]

ooohh

So basically there's the real world and the guestworld

And the guest world is a destroyed version of the town

That's so cool

[safe charm]

There is cool concept art

[brittle olive]

That explain why alpha 1/1.5 looked the way it did

Cuz if im not mistaken they took place in the guestworld

[brittle olive]

I think those surreal arts from hello guest we're the geust

Guestworld

[safe charm]

I need stuff like this in hn3

[brittle olive]

Hope HN 3 also has this more surreal and dreamlike appearence to it

[brittle olive]

Sameee

I think originally raven brooks was supposed to be divided into multiple parts

[safe charm]

Another one

[brittle olive]

The main part (neighborhood), the industrial part (with the scrapped factory and stuff) and the rural/old part of the town

With the small houses

[safe charm]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxp4qhItxfSKp4_XnJhBPYJPrnRE6OXmQG?si=LrYGr3y1yyXhi4s4

[brittle olive]

I saw this

[safe charm]

Hot take maybe but i prefered this version of the story setup

It feels a lot more mysterious

[brittle olive]

You mean the hello guest version

[safe charm]

No hn2 alpha 1 era

[brittle olive]

True, alpha 1.5 couldve easily been added as a prologue chapter for the main game

[safe charm]

This

[brittle olive]

Because y'know, there's the guestworld and the actual world

[muted moon]

the sublevel called guest world is for the guests perspective in the final act. its called guest world because its the guests version of the world. it just happens to have the same name

[muted moon]

hn2a1s story was all about guest world. it was basically quentins escape from reality

[brittle olive]

I hope the guestworld returns in HN3

[muted moon]

its called the outskirts

[brittle olive]

Cool name

But still

[muted moon]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cvxakIhZmJn0IotYMg6BedvLN9eC-luesajNnxjQGO4/edit?usp=sharing

[viscid drum]

This, this is so freaking cool

What is it from ?

Who did this

[safe charm]

Hn2 concept art

[viscid drum]

Oh god, we got robbed of something :(

[willow depot]

brooo this would be

so sick

we got

so robbed

[crude dew]

what is that?

[crude dew]

HG was a totally different storyline but ok

[old glacier]

alfa 2 intro

[safe charm]

It was yes i Think they just at first wanted to reuse a lot from that storyline for hn2

But overtime it all got scrapped which i Think is a shame because it had cool ideas

[crude dew]

ooo

hn2 storylines are even more chaotic, i dont know anyone, who can separate them at least a bit, one merged into another

[safe charm]

Well the story was likely changed A LOT of times

Even if some people do not like hg from the sound of it Nikita seemed to have had a clear vision for its story

[crude dew]

well at least we know that hg was separate..and this time at least they changed the player model

[safe charm]

I wish The final hn2 story incorpated more from hg then it did

[crude dew]

i wish we knew how hg went and how it ended originally

[safe charm]

Hn alphas feels more like different games then early versions of a game most of the time

Im sad they put Beatrix into hn2 now as a missing kid because she could have easily fitted hn3 in some way but now that is harder

[crude dew]

Smith too. He is in a grave, boy is dead

he is sick, but not as sick to just lay in a grave and chill. He is dead :/

[willow depot]

Well I mean both Smith and Beatrix can be added into HN3

after all, if I remember correctly, the newspaper mentioning Beatrix only has like

the first letter

which is as much as it is intending towards giving confirmation about Beatrix can easily get retconned

and Smith only really has like

a singular cameo now

Just hoping that if they do get on with adding either of them, they won't make them some weird mutant people

[unkempt sleet]

?

[willow depot]

oh

right

[old glacier]

poor Treabix

[willow depot]

Must've misremembered

[unkempt sleet]

Only Quentin's name has the first letter, Beatrix is fully there

[willow depot]

My bad

but still who really knows at this point

don't forget just how much the story has been

rewritten

even books stuff

there's always a chance they'll change something up and go "What missing newspaper?"

buutt

yeah that's kind of something NOT to be expecting

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think they'll rewrite the story of a full release, i dont think they ever did that with any of the HN games

Story gets rewritten a lot, yea. But that always happens with the alpha/ beta builds

[willow depot]

mhm

at the very least

even if they do end up adding either to HN3 I hope they won't be making them

70 years old or something

[unkempt sleet]

Yea thats understandable

[safe charm]

Nothing really if you go by Nikita Words because everything is still canon Books and stuff

[stark timber]

Have we figured out what "deelday hoding" means in croobian yet?

delayed hiding?

[unkempt sleet]

Deadly Hiding

[stark timber]

ah

[crude dew]

everyone can be added to hn3 if we have enough imagination. Nothing is impossible tbh

[crude dew]

😬

[crude dew]

it is entirely translated in my lore video, also peak pfp well nvm im taking it back because im blocked for no reason okay kid

[willow depot]

real tbh

[safe charm]

Like usual

hell never getting anywhere either

Okay so i rewatched hnvr and Aaron basically do turn into the guest with the doll

As soon as you switch you are in the same place as the other

[brittle olive]

What is even there to talk about

[old glacier]

wow that is very HN2 OST - Crowman Transformation

[unkempt sleet]

All books are canon

Maybe except Guidebook

Guidebook has some really inconsistent info with books

Games too iirc

[safe charm]

No he just started to wear them more

[muted moon]

the outskirts intro was already scrapped by the time hn2a1 released, its the early alpha 1 intro

[old glacier]

it's neighbor area (test) intro

the one with tornado

[muted moon]

the intro would of led directly to hn2a1 though

its basically just extended hn2a1 intro

[old glacier]

yes but it involved real world

which is neighbor area

[muted moon]

yeah

[old glacier]

WAS

🔥 fire game

[muted moon]

they probably just reused neighbor area for alpha 2

why make a new town map when you already have one?

just edit it a bit

[old glacier]

they did the same with alfa 1.5 map in ai trailer

[muted moon]

the office?

or something else

[old glacier]

no hold on you can see it better in showcase

the map where guest is in is differnet from alfa 1.5

[muted moon]

huh?

oh wait

you mean the showcase room thing

[old glacier]

the zone where guest is wathcing tv

[muted moon]

yeah

its the same room just with props moved around right

[old glacier]

new props

and also trees outisde are

spruce crooked

[muted moon]

also fixed materials for some of the props

[old glacier]

weird game that was hn2 in its early stages

[sonic delta]

how many cultists are there in the AS timeline? i counted five but i might be wrong

[sonic delta]

wait nvm there are 6 in ep 7 since otto isnt in robes, there are five already there

that is if otto is a cultist which seems almost certain

im sure i saw 6 though because 2 of them are working on the rides, ones on the ferris wheel, and another two appear to talk to otto

at the beginning of ep 7

[brittle olive]

I doubt it's just them

There definitively are way more cultists

[muted moon]

otto isnt a crowface, he just works with them

theres even more than just that anyway

[safe charm]

@dry patio @willow depot im here

[willow depot]

hi

[safe charm]

Reset day basically Do reveal guest is the Neighbor and he is causing the time loops very likely

And he have kidnapped enzo because it had something he wanted

[muted moon]

enzo had one of the crystal pieces

[willow depot]

He kidnapped Enzo because he's still salty about being owned by him doing the act of passing through all his traps in AS

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759129678060847105/1294066849075564604/caption-8.gif

[muted moon]

the neighbor is attempting to use the crystals time altering abilities to reset everything, essentially a do-over, saving him and his family

[safe charm]

The ending of the book is what most People use as evidence for it Trying to say Neighbor is the guest alongside guest having a mustache under his beak

[willow depot]

I kinda want the whole "Guest Theodore" thing to work out ngl

[safe charm]

Same unironically

[muted moon]

probably because the guest has access to a selfie of ted

[willow depot]

I still find it

hilarious though

that Guest sent her

a picture of Ted

when threatening her

like some typical doxxer

[dry patio]

Maybe he took up becoming the guest to go back in time

[willow depot]

especially if Ted IS Guest

[muted moon]

he is literally gathering all the time altering crystals what else would he be trying t odo

[safe charm]

Plot twist guest is Neighbor from the future

But then again theres wouldn’t be 2 of them i Think i don’t know how it usually works in fiction Alex did say the reveal is wild about the guest so who knows

[muted moon]

in hn time travel would probably just put you into the body of yourself at the time your travelling to

similar to how the timeloops worked

maybe?

actually no

it would result in what happened with norman darby

[safe charm]

Yeah and imo Both graphic novel 2 and reset day are Trying to say he is the guest

[muted moon]

what if norman darby is what caused the crystals to shatter in the first place?

teds first failed time travel experiment

he got sent back in time, but the crystals were broken

[safe charm]

Is this a piece of teds clothes or guests?

Guest leave it Behind

It almost looks more like teds

[muted moon]

its teds clothes

[safe charm]

Yeah

[muted moon]

its got the same pattern

and its also evidence the guest didnt just transform into nlv or whatever

[safe charm]

Do you Think him being in the guest suit underwater is metaphorical

Like i don’t Think he could put it on that fast so i feel like its metaphorical of his guest side taking over

[muted moon]

regina said he had been down there for a while

[safe charm]

Maybe he went out of the water to dress up then

[muted moon]

probably

there was a whole room for the staircase

the suit might of been in the basement

[safe charm]

I wonder what made Ted turn into the guest actually

Like dress up as a bird man

[muted moon]

park mascot, and also probably made the suit out of whatever junk he could find

[safe charm]

Yeah

[muted moon]

ok but that doesnt work with gn2

and everything is canon

and the guest isnt supernatural

[cerulean knot]

I have a book theory

I think the books exist within HN written by someone who read all the reports of the happenings with raven brooks and based the books series on such things

Would explain how they are canon "but not in the way you think"

[brittle olive]

The answers is simple: timeloops

The guest is a different person in every timeloop

[willow depot]

yeahh see it worked better back when we had this model

but it was ever used for a teaser and to show up for 2 seconds in the intro

before being replced by the HN2 Ted when he pulls up in the ending

🤷

probably or an associate because of the camera and certain proportions

like ears

[eager island]

gordon cleave was my first guest suspect

[willow depot]

I mean Gordon got arrested

[eager island]

hn2 alpha times

[willow depot]

I don't think he's really associated with the cult

[eager island]

he is investigating the cult and the town

[willow depot]

...

Isn't Gordon like

part OF the cult

[eager island]

i was talking about Smith

[willow depot]

oh

[eager island]

and most likely smith remodeled as MJ

[brittle olive]

I think fake neighbor was just some alternate version of the neighbor tbh

Considering he appears in the outskirts i think It's like, the guest's own version of ted or smth

Or maybe it's just ted who knows, i doubt it's MiTH though

[crude dew]

they modeled him
so he had a purpose

[ripe berry]

nothing works then

Guest isn't Ted because HN2

but he isn't anyone else because of GN2

for a second I thought Franklin was possible and he just somehow looks like Ted as a adult
but I just remembered Franklin seems to be ~18 so he can't just change looks on the fly

and the only remaining person that fits Ted description is Roger Peterson (Scrapped HN2 Picture)
But the entirety of Aaron Trilogy goes against that idea

therefore non-supernatural Guest breaks the lore completely

since there's only one

[brittle olive]

They should have just made guest an actual supernatural entity or just kept with the guest neighbor plot tbh

This is just WAY too confusing

I really wonder how AS season 3 will solve this

[brittle olive]

Obviously

[brittle olive]

I thought the same thing, but now things really just don't add up

And even then at this point the most likely answer is franklin unless they somehow find a way to bring up the guest neighbor plot

If it's not Franklin than it's a complete new character

[safe charm]

So basically guest is the Neighbor(gn2 and rd) but he is also not the Neighbor(hn2 and hnvr) just don’t even ask how that can work

Because everything is Canon Either way Even if the guest now makes 0 sense

Alex kinda did Say they rewrote the guest lore we just don’t know when

He Said the guest lore started to make 0 sense but then they made AS and got a fantastic idea of how to Tie the concept of the guest into the lore