lore-discussion

[safe charm]

Maybe

[brittle olive]

Your theory seems to be adding up

It may end up being right

I think It's still weird though

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768152883765444608/1301641070563823727/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6725dff6&is=67248e76&hm=79aba6a297282d989b8ad996758a0d1ef92794238f6c78209d77761586fa5fe7&

Why is noone talking about this

The coins can be opened

And there's some machinery inside

[willow depot]

probably either the luck artifacts or the opposite of them that is like just thrown around so whoever has one gets bad luck

because everyone who had them either had tragedy or died

explains why Peterson had like a whole bag of them

maybe he's collecting it off people to prevent all that stuff

[ripe berry]

just the same old Luck Device Technology in a more compact form due to the old luck devices being buried or smth
something I already had suspicions was inside the coins

(albeit the coins work in the opposite way that I originally thought they did, but it's the same outcome as the luck devices, it causes some people to be more lucky then others)

[ripe berry]

only difference
one gives Good Luck to people
and the other as far as we've seen purely gives Bad Luck to people

[trail haven]

What if delroy's aunt is a crowface, because he said his auntie gave him his neck chain last week, the one with the coin from one side, and the word "dog" on the other side

[ripe berry]

well yeah... possible... but the Chain likely comes from Otto

[wicked heath]

Hey guys, hear me out.
Aaron, he’s the [REDACTED]

[trail haven]

Yea, I thought of that too, but it makes no sense of him being a traitor, because he never helped them, or even met them (as a squad)

I think it's maritza, because:

1. She came out of where the guest tried to kidnap enzo.

2. We never saw her try to get kidnapped by the guest, we only saw her disappear right after enzo nearly died and then almost got kidnapped.

3: she acted insanly weird when she came to enzo, something was off about her.

If it's not her, it is nobody.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[muted moon]

what "worthy cause" would maritza have though

[trail haven]

Losing in a game, a game called life...

[ripe berry]

remember

Maritza has a brother

the cause is to try to keep her brother safe

[muted moon]

they literally almost killed him

[ripe berry]

either way Maritza is THE most likely one based off current info

[muted moon]

nicky

[ripe berry]

tell me then

what is Nicky's Worthy Cause

[muted moon]

idk

maritza and nicky are the only 2 possibilities and both dont really have a worthy cause

[ripe berry]

yeah

and out of the two Maritza feels more likely

and also how would Nicky be able to give information to the cult anyways

he seemed just as clueless as everyone else to Crowface's Identity

[trail haven]

Maybe there is no traitor?

[ripe berry]

(granted so did Maritza)

[muted moon]

when trinity called him petersons guest he reacted

he knows something

[ripe berry]

the word Guest doesn't automatically link you to THE Guest

who hasn't even been actually namedropped in the series yet outside of maybe Ted saying it

[trail haven]

No-one is tall enough to be at the height of the crowfaces, so if the traitor doesn't only give them information, there is no traitor

[ripe berry]

and there's another explanation

there was theories the Guest is also in the Basement somewhere

but at the same time

Nicky doesn't seem to break down in fear upon sight of Crowface in S2 Ep. 1

thus Nicky likely has never seen or heard of Crowface before
otherwise you'd think that would make him fearful

seeing a person who helped ruin Ted's life

[trail haven]

What if it's ivan? He can't be, but if you want a cause, he is weak, both physically and mentally, so they can easily tourcher him so he will give them information

[ripe berry]

also Maritza is more likely for ONE reason

the trailer dialogue from Crowface/Guest says "no... we can use HER."

[trail haven]

What?

[ripe berry]

Trailer 1

Face your Fears

when Guest is on Screen

the Distorted Audio is

"You know our Secrets...."
"Let's just kill her!"
"No... we can use her."

the fact they talk about a Her when we KNOW the Secret Neighbor is kidnapped by the Guest at some point based off what Alex has revealed
it all but says the Secret Neighbor is a female

[trail haven]

Can you send it to me?

[ripe berry]

here's the community's attempt at removing the background audio and fixing it

the trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bottHxy7pk

[muted moon]

the same audio plays in the same scene in the actual episode for some reason

wait

what if it was talking about maritza

maybe the conversation happened at the same time trinity and nicky saw crowface in the house?

[ripe berry]

yeah maybe

[shell gull]

If that’s the case wouldn’t it be likely Maritza is the Traitor since they say “We can use her”

Just scrolled up and I see my Theory might be agreeable

Also something I haven’t seen anybody talk about is the fact that Abanante was one of the Crowfaces that killed Murtaugh, you can see the Scar from her arm on one of the Crowfaces, which explains why she already knew what was under the Cover.

It also makes this scene way darker knowing she had no remorse for killing Murtaugh and went straight to finding a way to kill him.

[safe charm]

Btw

[shell gull]

Hmm

[muted moon]

they literally did a flashback and zoom in on the scar on her arm

the reason noone is talking about it is because its obvious

[shell gull]

Ik but that was mostly referring to what they were planning to do, and I never saw anyone go into detail on the things about this scene.

Honestly the darkest and best scene in the Show for me.

There’s a lot to take in there.

I’ve been getting deep into depths of stuff due to Literature I’ve been looking at.

[safe charm]

Maybe this is related

To the guest

[shell gull]

It seems like the Crowface mask to me.

How they see with it.

[safe charm]

Im so confused what the guest

Even is anymore

[shell gull]

We just have to wait and see.

[safe charm]

And How everything is canon is even more confusing

[ripe berry]

I mean

they clearly hated Murtaugh from the beginning

[shell gull]

So taking in what we know from HN2 and AS and where the Story is heading and how Storytelling is, I’m guessing The Guest is The Cult Leader and will look like he does in HN2 (In HN2: Instead of the Crowfaces with the Gowns and Cape he has just a Cape that isn’t Black but Dark Brown and torn up, along with a GA Coin on the Front, and also Gloves torn up and Guest Costume + Bag possibly), this is just Speculation and what I’m guessing will be how the Story is gonna head.

[shell gull]

Right true.

But it is still such a dark scene when taking everything in.

[ripe berry]

I would correct you but...

a Unlucky Coin doesn't just have to be in the form of the GA Coins

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

it's made through technology
anything that can fit the tech/crystal shit inside the Unlucky Coins can function the same as them

[silver vine]

Hi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1277182816509235282/hi_chat.gif

[ripe berry]

hello

[brittle olive]

Ngl that would kinda suck

[ripe berry]

(Incase you didn't spot it first time watching the episode, this isn't too surprising of a fact but it's still good to know)

[brittle olive]

I would much rather the leader be the mayor or idk

[silver vine]

He prob is

[brittle olive]

Beatrix?

[silver vine]

Missing

[brittle olive]

Who?

[silver vine]

Beatrix

Quentin's sister

[ripe berry]

and likely the Coins can be tampered with to reverse this
instead of bad luck they give good luck

[silver vine]

Went missing

Ahh

[ripe berry]

and also

the cult existed since Mayor was a kid

[brittle olive]

Ik. But what im thinking is that they turned her into the leader of the cult

Maybe there's more than one leader

[shell gull]

Not really it’s where it’s heading and I think it’s good and fits the Character.

[ripe berry]

and the Guest has existed since before then and thus makes more sense as at the very least the first leader IF we accept the following details:

1. (Fact) Gerda is one of the Trick or Treaters mentioned in the RBBArchives
2. (Fact) these Trick or Treaters are updated to fit current lore versions of the HN2A1.5 Trick or Treaters
3. (Fact) the HN2A1.5 Trick or Treaters are updated versions of the HGP Teens
4. (Fact) in both HN2A1.5 and HGP the Trick or Treaters were attacked by the Guest
5. (Theory) therefore, it is likely the version of the Trick or Treaters in the current lore were also attacked by the Guest
6. (Fact) Gerda is around the same age as Theodore
7. (Fact) at one point Nikita said Theodore is 47-51 in HNHS
8. (Fact) HNHS originally occured in 1996
9. (Fact) therefore, Theodore is born in the 1940s-50s
10. (Theory) therefore the Guest has existed for that same exact amount of time if not longer

[brittle olive]

We don't know that yet

It seems like from the peterson sketch that the cultists are using skulls

[shell gull]

Like I said it’s implied that’s where it’s heading and just Speculation as of now.

[brittle olive]

Of whatever creature is the guest

[shell gull]

It’s their Masks.

[brittle olive]

We also don't know that

[ripe berry]

hit enter early

[brittle olive]

It looked way more like a skull

Like i said in my theory they could be using skulls of the ancient bird creatures tha roamed raven brooks

[shell gull]

No it is very obvious that’s the Case, the Gloves they use is right next to it, Ted sketched their Outfit and Kit, it also explains how they see with the Mask.

[brittle olive]

Yeah

But like i said the mask could bê a skull

Since the beak looks like a real beak

[shell gull]

It could be Skulls taking in the Fracture Detail, and also The feather implying it used to be covered in Feathers and they skinned them off.

[ripe berry]

yeah it can be skulls

but at the same time we don't really got evidence of bird creatures in RB

outside of funnily enough the rumor to cover up the cult's existence

and the Guest which is we dunno lol

[shell gull]

…y- yeah, if they were to use that in AS would make sense the Folklore of FPs in RB we’re actually Bird Creatures.

But not enough to say that.

[brittle olive]

If the guest is really the leader of the cult which i don't think is the case he's definitively just doing it for his own advantage and could possibly betray the crowface cult once he doesn't need them anymore

[shell gull]

Well…HN2 as of now basically confirms that he is the Leader.

[ripe berry]

hold on one second
I got JUST the clip for you

[muted moon]

AS is the guests origin story

[shell gull]

Alex sarcasm still.

[ripe berry]

the link wasn't loading

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM

there

[brittle olive]

I just realized this but the ancient bird creature theory and the leader theory can very well Just coexist

[shell gull]

Ah yes The Guest getting fed a Sacrifice from his Cult.

[ripe berry]

as can be observed
the Guest goes against the Forest Protectors and saves Quentin here because Quentin is useful to the Guest

[ripe berry]

except the Guest leaves afterwards

the Guest went against the Forest Protectors here because Quentin still has use to him

[shell gull]

And yet based on what we know they didn’t do anything at all and only later attack once Quentin said no to The Guest.

[brittle olive]

I have already seen this clip and it just proves even more he's going to betray the cult

[ripe berry]

(I know this clip is cut content but still, the guy was saying the Guest only works with the cult because doing so gives it a advantage atm)

[brittle olive]

At some point

[shell gull]

The Guest, the Character whose most prominent Trait is Manipulation, is using The Cult for his own benefit.

[brittle olive]

shocker ik

[shell gull]

Then again this was all of what we knew, based on what’s been said a lot of the Story in HN2 is being revised.

[ripe berry]

yep

the Guest is manipulating the Forest Protectors for it's own gain
As soon as they're no longer useful the cult will be... let go of...

[shell gull]

Makes sense when you realise The Cult worshipped a Crow God.

[ripe berry]

but if you got a whole cult thinking you're a god
that is something you shouldn't just toss away

[shell gull]

Explains their Huge Crow Statue in the Museum they stuffed with Coins, basically offerings.

Which explains them offering Quentin as sacrifice to The Guest.

[ripe berry]

they're probably gonna try to rationalize everything you do

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[shell gull]

Yup.

[ripe berry]

(not actually, Nightmare 3 is purely metaphorical for the Cult leaving the Coins everywhere for their own gain and then later attacking Quentin, continuing a trend of dreams in HN hinting at things people shouldn't know about yet, iirc)

[brittle olive]

I Just realized this but that's probably why the amusement park was themed around the guest in hgp/hg pre-alpha

[ripe berry]

I remember some theory recently that that Nightmare was representative of the cult and not the Guest or anything like that

[ripe berry]

and STILL is themed around the Guest to this day

SN has a Giant Guest Statue on a hill
and HE has a Guest Statue right by the park entrance
first thing you see after entering the park

[brittle olive]

Kinda cool how they didn't fully scrap some of the old stuff

[ripe berry]

yeah

also notably
this Guest statue didn't always exist in the park
in AS S2 Ep. 3's Intro it's instead a Golden Apple Fountain

[brittle olive]

Reminds me about the fact gaap was possibly apart of the story since hn1 alpha1

[shell gull]

Right but the Physical Actual Statue is a different tale.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[shell gull]

Ehhh, Story was WAY different back then.

[ripe berry]

having that in itself kinda implicates something

[ripe berry]

but it still applies kinda since HE and SN still have Guest themeing

[brittle olive]

Yeah. But they still reused it and gave It a new lore

I think the old lore was probably that guest was like a urban legend

And gaap was hallowen themed

And guest themed

[ripe berry]

GAAP, Forest Protectors, and the Guest are all connected
the Forest Protectors use Golden Apple Imagery and seem to be reopening the park to spread coins
the Guest is the leader of the Forest Protectors
Guest themeing is all around the GAAP

[shell gull]

He was Ted running away from the Cops and hiding in the GAAP.

[brittle olive]

Oh yeah that too

[shell gull]

Just a really simple rundown.

[ripe berry]

you can also throw in the Eye symbol due to the newest episode too

(and old things too)

in the HG-HN2 Beta days the Guest was commonly connected to the Eye Symbols
you needed to do the Mayak Event (Mayak has a giant eye on it) to get Hello Guest Prototype, which logo showed the Guest with a Closed Eye, and ended with the Mayak
MitH event (originally linked to footage from HGA1) had you close eye painting's eyes using slingshots
HN2 Alpha 1/1.5 Map is shaped like a Eye with the GUEST Statue at the center (and is in a realm known as GUEST World)
HN2 Beta Promo has a Eye Symbol where the Mya Missing Poster is and the Guest behing Ted
other pieces of art depict Guest with a closed eye
HN2 Patch 9 has Guest with a Closed Eye Coin necklace

and throughout current HN2 + AS the Eye Symbols are connected ot the Forest Protectors

which also again means the cult has references all the way back to HNHS

where in HNHS Stage 4a occult book has the eye symbol on it

[shell gull]

When looking at that it makes sense The Cult Symbol which is the Eye is depiction of that “Crow God” and going back to The Guest in connection.

[ripe berry]

yeah that makes sense

(this part of the book originally confirms without a shadow of the doubt they use the eye symbol)

[brittle olive]

I forgot that game even existed

[ripe berry]

yeah

easy to

most of what's in the actual plot of HNHS can be inferred from HN1 alone

[silver vine]

Or did the Mayor start the cult?

Since, Peterson said he started this

Somehow

[silver vine]

6. It is likely that Gerda and Leslie for the matter are most likely not the same age as Ted

[shell gull]

Great to know.

[silver vine]

When the clip was released, we didn't know the context, so, we thought they were the same age

[ripe berry]

AROUND the same age

as in
close but not quite the same age

[silver vine]

Now, we know that those group of kids were part of the inventors club, means they could be of different age

[shell gull]

Gerda and Leslie are at max 3 Years Older taking in they were in Middle School.

[silver vine]

Like how Maritza is a different age than the other kids

[ripe berry]

like Ted can be 10 but Gerda closer to 15 here for instance

either way

[silver vine]

There's no way Gerda is older than Ted

[ripe berry]

(I know, just using a hypothetical)

[shell gull]

And since his Brother was Graduating and seems to be Older than them, I’m guessing they are in 6-7th Grade, same with Ted.

[ripe berry]

it's more likely Ted is 12 while Gerda's like 9

[shell gull]

What? If she was 9 she would be in Elementary School, also she’s way taller and seems more Older (While yes she’s Taller than Ted anyways at Grown Ups people are all Different), but she could still be younger but a Year Max and that’s it.

[silver vine]

NO WAY

That is literally the notebook

[ripe berry]

?

it's not?

[ripe berry]

Gerda's Age is more approximate since I'm unsure of stuff rn

also

Maritza in the books

iirc she shouldn't be at the Middle School due to her age but is (or is my memory of the books messing up again)

also heights in AS are unreliable

Ted is 9-10 feet tall in the present day

no human is 10 feet tall irl

but if you'll be a stickler for this stuff
then just make Gerda one year older
10

[ripe berry]

Notebook has no decals on it's outside

and is black, not brown

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-11877335675029242228

[shell gull]

Iirc all the Schools from Elementary to High were lined up next to each other and Maritza would leave Enzo to go to Elementary but my Memory might be more foggy than yours.

[silver vine]

That's in the books

In the AS, everyone are in dimmle loosk

Yeah, aged up the characters and all

[shell gull]

Mhm

[potent harness]

I see what you did there "dimmle loosk"

[silver vine]

Wayron croobian is canon

Almost everything in WtRB is in croobian

[trail haven]

I think gerda is older, and she's the same age as franklin, franklin graduates from middle school, not high school, that's why it makes sense.

[trail haven]

Isn't that ment to be brookian?

[silver vine]

There's no way Gerda is older than Ted

[trail haven]

Women look younger than men, it makes sense

[silver vine]

Naw

[trail haven]

Uh

[muted moon]

the language is wayron croobian

raven brookian would just be english

[trail haven]

Oh

So wayron croobian is shingle

(Not the meaning, messed up english)

[trail haven]

What if the real traitor(s) are trinity's parents?

[silver vine]

GUYS

I have a theory

On THE GUEST

We have seen the guest as an evil crow

We still have not seen him in his full form

What if

The cult is trying to bring the guest to his full form

To restore his full power

[cosmic vine]

Wym full power?

[silver vine]

His body

[cosmic vine]

What he gonna do destroy the world?

It kinda doesn't match up with the story

As no one gots powers

[silver vine]

Guest has powers

We see it in the games

[dry patio]

Wouldnt powers be classified as supernatural?

[cosmic vine]

If he had powers how would the squad fight against him there just regular kids or am i mistaken

[hazy slate]

Not this again..

[safe charm]

He can Turn into a crow

[cosmic vine]

Maybe its a mask

Idk

[safe charm]

No

[ripe berry]

the squad won't win in the fight
the Guest will be injured yes

but not killed

after all

he still has to appear in HN2

[cosmic vine]

Did they already plot out the ending?

Or is this a theory?

[ripe berry]

yes
and we've been informed some things about the ending

it occurs in the Mayak Weather Station from S2 Ep. 1

and it'll explain why the Guest looks the way he does in HN2

[cosmic vine]

In this season? Or s3?

[ripe berry]

S3

the entire series has already been at the very least scripted out at this point

[cosmic vine]

They did take a year long break but i didn't expect them to already finish the entire plot

[brittle olive]

The guest has the hability to shapeshift and turn into a crow

So yes he does have power but it's nothing crazy

[brittle olive]

Jo

Ni

No**

He can literally turn into a crow

[cosmic vine]

Did they say anything about how a squad full of kids is gona defeat him?

[brittle olive]

Who said they're going to defeat him?

That's probably going to be quentin

[cosmic vine]

The heck will he do? Hes also just a regular person

[brittle olive]

Brother you expect me to know It?

Go ask tinybuilds not me

Quentin will figure it out

Unless he dies

[cosmic vine]

Did they confirm that Quentin will defeat the guest?

[brittle olive]

No

But he will have to somehow

[cosmic vine]

I get it hes the main protagonist in the game but maybe not in the show

[brittle olive]

Yeah

We're talking about the game not the show

[ripe berry]

and the Guest ain't getting defeated in the show

[cosmic vine]

I guess but the hn2 ending didn't even show the guest as the the main antagonist

The guest was barley in it

[brittle olive]

Yeah because the game is incomplete

[cosmic vine]

Whats gonna happen then?

[brittle olive]

Dude

We don't know

[cosmic vine]

It's not like we know anything abt the upcoming games

[ripe berry]

we dunno
but the Guest has to still be in HN2
and AS is before HN2 timeline wise so

[brittle olive]

We don't but we know hn2 is incomplete

[cosmic vine]

Hn2 Finished didn't it?

[ripe berry]

no

it's released yes

but finished? no

[brittle olive]

no it's not

[ripe berry]

they have a content expansion coming soon™️

[cosmic vine]

R they gona update?

[cosmic vine]

Oh

[unkempt sleet]

it's coming, but is it soon

that we dont know

[safe charm]

Yeah

[brittle olive]

Coming in 2046*

[safe charm]

It might as Well take 5 months more

[ripe berry]

not soon
soon™️

(I doubt we getting HN2 news anytime soon)

[shell gull]

Well to be fair it’s referencing the Games Universe but yeah.

[shell gull]

Based on everything she has to either be Ted’s age or a Year higher.

[ripe berry]

everything is canon

[shell gull]

Right but I’m saying the reason they had it in AS is to reference the Games world.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[shell gull]

Because the Characters are able to read it like normal English which makes it seem that for them it’s normal English while for us outside of the 4th Wall it’s Wayron Croobian to make it harder to discover Lore.

[silver vine]

its referencing the Games Universe?

buddy

it IS the Games Universe

[shell gull]

Also to put together which Crowface is who:

Leslie- The one that attacked Trinity and Nicky in Ted’s House in Ep3

Gerda- The one who ambushed Enzo in Ep 5

Otto- One of the many Crowfaces that ambushed Delroy in The Forest

Mayor and Leslie again- Ambushed Enzo and Maritza at Town Square

Abanante- One of the two that Ambushed Ivan and killed Murtaugh

[silver vine]

MURTAUGH

he will be avenged

[shell gull]

I get what your saying but I’m saying that they put it into the Show which is a different piece of Media because of the Games running Theme.

[shell gull]

Indeed, it was so dark.

I had a whole little analysis on why that Scene was so well done: #lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

I just wish they kept the blood

[shell gull]

Yeah but they found a good replacement to keep it “Friendly” by using the Chemicals.

[silver vine]

ehhhh

it doesnt really convey the message

that hes killed

thats why I dislike the acid

[unkempt sleet]

Ivan crying saying "Murtaugh is dead" does though

[silver vine]

the entire scene would've been more shocking if they just used blood

[shell gull]

Also if this is The Guests Diagram, would explain Alex saying “What” and saying “The Guest is made of Bone and Flesh” he isn’t Human but is something else, clearly The Cult is trying to mimic his Looks.

[shell gull]

Also with the Hourglass next to him is giving off that same “Ancient” thing to me, explains the Bruises.

[silver vine]

when will we ever see the guest

hoping atleast in this season finale

[shell gull]

To me it seems he will appear at the end of the Season and be the focus along Mayak in Season 3.

Then again based on the Plot we know of from HN2 he’s probably The Cult Leader.

Unless that’s changed.

[daring sandal]

I remember Alex texting that we kinda saw The Guest in season 2. I recon it was in ep 1 when Trinity, Nicky and Delroy were chasing him. And also, he disappeared when the kids got attacked from the crows.

[unkempt sleet]

or, he's the crow that was in the end of that episode

[ripe berry]

that evil crow

[steady nest]

Yo

Maybe otto isn't a forest protector

[cosmic vine]

?

[ripe berry]

reasoning for this??

[steady nest]

Firstly in his house there are these boxes where he puts his taxidermied animals that are shipped to the golden apple amusement park. If he would be a part of the cult, then there wouldn't be any need for this kind of "formal" shipping, otto would just give the animals to someone who is part of the cult. Instead it seems like someone or an corporate entity ordered him to make these "prizes" and instructed him to put golden apple coins in each and every one of them

Secondly, we know the rescue squad got ambushed because someone ratted them to the cult or something. If otto would be a part of the cult, he would be expecting someone to come at his house

But hes just chilling with the taxidermy stuff

[ripe berry]

this point...

[steady nest]

Maybe he is just another creepy but innocent guy again

[ripe berry]

by that logic Mayor and Leslie aren't cultists

they know the kids will be spying on them

yet Leslie is still ok with openly saying he took the blueprints from evidence to give to the Mayor

[steady nest]

Wait thats a good point

[ripe berry]

and Abanante is still responding to emails and making flyers

sure she also attacks Ivan and Murtaugh

[cosmic vine]

No

[ripe berry]

BUT they don't drop anything they were doing

second off

[ripe berry]

this is lower suspicion

tell me

which is more suspicious

having a bunch of boxes formally delivered to the GAAP

[cosmic vine]

You r onto absolutely nothing

[ripe berry]

or having the prizes randomly appear from nowhere

[steady nest]

why did they not know the kids would drop at their house

[ripe berry]

people are gonna get suspicious if they don't see the prizes actually getting delivered to the location

[ripe berry]

they DID know
but figured they'd be able to... "deal with" the kids

and again

[steady nest]

They didn't know

If they would they wouldn't reveal stuff about gaap

And they would know enzo and maritza will go to the mayors house

[ripe berry]

Except they know the kids already know the Coins and GAAP are connected

[steady nest]

I guess the mayor and leslie got the news later

[ripe berry]

by that logic Otto also could've gotten the news later
and that's why he's still doing stuff when Delroy arrives

[ripe berry]

or if the delivery doesn't look proper and instead like a shady business deal

[steady nest]

Bruh

Why did the mayor not know enzo and maritza will drop at his house

Thats a question

[ripe berry]

also just saying Otto has one of the Museum Keys in HN2

Keith (who hands his to Gerda (Known Cultist)) and Mayor (Known Cultist) are the only other people shown to have the keys

having the keys makes it clear you at least at one point were a part of the cult

[steady nest]

What was always odd to me is that we know otto and mj were friends

Did otto rat him to the cult or something

[ripe berry]

how do you think the cult caught on that MJ was getting "too close to them"?

[steady nest]

Like how they caught on Quentin

He actually got too close to them

Idk its weird to me

[ripe berry]

Quentin was actively breaking into buildings and not even bothering to hide it afterwards

[steady nest]

Maybe mj did the same because hey journalist work ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[ripe berry]

he leaves the Mayor's Secret Room open
he doesn't rebury the safe

etc

also even if you're a cultist you still gotta seem like a normal person to others

being a cultist doesn't prevent friendships outside of the cult
the problem comes when the person in question starts learning a bit too much about the cult

[steady nest]

I still dont think that otto is a part of the cult. I dont know how he got his hands on a a key but still

Him yelling at crows

And there not being a single golden apple or apple coin at his house

Its just

suspicious

Otto

[cosmic vine]

What? There was wym

[steady nest]

Where

[ripe berry]

give me five minutes to load up HN2

[steady nest]

I remember looking and there was not a single one

[unkempt sleet]

Actually there is now

[ripe berry]

I will find one and tell you exactly where to look for it

[steady nest]

Then again i dont remember checking after patch 9

[unkempt sleet]

Look at the top floor

[steady nest]

Wait lemme check

Time to sigh

Open hn2

[ripe berry]

yeah I was about to say by MJ's Picture on the 2nd floor I think

(or 3rd? idk)

I usually call the bottom floor of Otto's House the Basement so 2nd floor is what I call it

I keep getting the same warning about default controller layout when I boot up the game...
HN2
it's been a whole year you dont need to keep telling me

found the coins

directly opposite of the Window above Otto's Bed you'll see a Golden Crow Statue

look closely and you'll see there's some coins next to it

[unkempt sleet]

Well, tbh coins and golden crows are also in the Peterson House too

So like they might not mean anything, idk

[ripe berry]

but like

Ted was collecting the Coins in AS

so he has a excuse to have them

[unkempt sleet]

What about the golden crow

Theres one in the secret wall room, and one in Aaron's room on top of the closet

[ripe berry]

the gold crows idk

[silver vine]

Blud was caught by the guest

[silver vine]

Oh there are several

[shell gull]

He’s a Cultist.

[cunning wave]

i wonder if finch is the secret neighbor

[dry patio]

Alex said that the secret neighbor stays in the group and finch hasn't joined the group yet

[cunning wave]

oh than i wonder who

[stiff spire]

interesting

[brittle olive]

Finch isn't the secret neighbor

The secret neighbor is someone in the crew

[ripe berry]

I am once again:
Hello Neighbor timeline (Complete)
WtRB S2 Episode 1 Intro
(Non-Canon: Hello Neighbor Alphas/Betas)
Bosco Bay/GN1
Scrapped but referenced in Books Hello Engineer Island Plot
Bad Blood/Book 4
Grave Mistakes/Book 5 (+ WtRB S2 Episode 3 Intro)
Puzzle Master/Book 6
Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek (+ HNHS Launch Trailer) + Missing Pieces/Book 1 (+ HNND Memory Scenes)
Waking Nightmare/Book 2
Buried Secrets/Book 3 + Welcome to Raven Brooks S1 Episodes 1-4 (New Neighbors, the Gang is Alright, The Pieces, Is it Kidnapping if the Kid isn't Napping?) + Hello Neighbor 1 Act 1 (Non-canon: Hello Neighbor Animated Series Pilot, Error World Plotline)
(Old Placement) Secret Neighbor (Non-Canon: Hello Guest + HN2 Alphas)
WtRB S1 Episode 5 (No More Nicky)
Hello Neighbor 2 DLCs (Late Fees + Back to School)
Hello Neighbor VR: Search and Rescue + WtRB S1 Episode 6 + Hello Neighbor 1 Act 2
WtRB S2 (Crowface Smhoeface, Coin Flip, Dark Echoes, What Does That Clue Do?, Deal with the Devil, Secret Neighbor?, (Episode 7))
(New Placement) Secret Neighbor
WtRB S3
Hello Engineer
Hello Neighbor 2 (Non-Canon: HN2 Beta and Demo)
LayoutV2
Raven Brooks Disaster/GN2
Hello Neighbor 2 Patch 9
RB Online
Hello Neighbor 1 Act 3 + Finale
Hello Neighbor: Nicky's Diaries
Neighbor's Notebook
Reset Day/Book 7

[brittle olive]

I may be stupid but was does any of that mean?

[dry patio]

RBO could not be connected to hn (but idk it seems likely)

[brittle olive]

Wait

What is RBO again

[ripe berry]

anything that I put "/Book [Number]" are HN Books
Neighbor's Notebook is a Guidebook released while Secret Neighbor was still in Development
GN refers to a specific type of Book, Graphic Novels, which are usually separated from the rest of the HN Books
RB Online is the game #old-rbo-discussion is for
Search and Rescue is what #hello-neighbor-vr is for
WtRB is the Youtube Series (with Animated Series Pilot being the Pilot for the show that was released on Youtube)
that should be enough to somewhat understand what I was saying

[brittle olive]

I know RBO is a game but like, what is it about?

Is It like a sandbox multiplayer?

[snow mauve]

Intruders breaking in

And it's a multiplayer game

[ripe berry]

Home Alone as a game pretty much

[snow mauve]

For all we know

[snow mauve]

Yep

It could or could not be a hn game

[brittle olive]

Oh ok

[snow mauve]

We don't know

So we'll just have to wait and see

[brittle olive]

That's really interesting

So in guessing sort of a hoem defense

[snow mauve]

It's made by Nikita (creator of the hn franchise)

[brittle olive]

It's definitively a HN game

So basically

RBO is hello guest except its not in a park

[snow mauve]

They've just released a prototype version a while ago

But it's not available to play now

[brittle olive]

Cool

[ripe berry]

it's kinda both

in the prototype some break in to steal stuff while others have to defend

[brittle olive]

Interesting premise for a hn game honestly

Hope they don't mess it up cuz it sounds fun

[ripe berry]

oh, it's also set in the aftermath of a storm hitting the town

[brittle olive]

Also interesting

[ripe berry]

which links it to HN since in Secret Neighbor, Hello Neighbor 2, and Hello Engineer there's been hints of a devastating Storm hitting Raven Brooks for awhile, which we have yet to see in the games anywhere

[brittle olive]

Doesn't that game have a dude that looks like quentin

But skinny

[snow mauve]

Jacob

[brittle olive]

Who

[snow mauve]

The guy you just described

[brittle olive]

Ik but who is jacob

Is he a new character

[ripe berry]

yep

new character

[snow mauve]

This guy from rbo

[brittle olive]

He looks like quentin's son

Or young quentin

[silver vine]

one correction

late fees and back to school happen after ep 6

[ripe berry]

false

[silver vine]

true

[ripe berry]

in Back to School, Nicky is among the list of Missing People Quentin is investigating

in Episode 6, Nicky is saved

[silver vine]

Alex said that HN2 is right after ep6

[ripe berry]

and you can't use "Intro Canon, gameplay not" as the Intro references both Nicky being missing AND the School being closed

[silver vine]

which means Quentin moves in only after ep6

[ripe berry]

which is false

the entire show is before HN2

[silver vine]

if you know me, you know that I consider gameplay as fully canon

[ripe berry]

I know, but someone else mentioned that in a server I'm in

Gotta address every possible arguement that can be made

[silver vine]

what I think is that Alex means Quentin moves into RB right after ep6

[ripe berry]

I'm also pretty sure Late Fees occurs before Back to School
which gives Quentin enough time to learn about the fact Nicky has been found

(Late Fees ends at Night Time when for the entire rest of the DLC it's been afternoon, Back to School starts at Night Time)

[ripe berry]

the only logical reason for that is to either A. link it to main HN2 Intro
or B. link it to Back to School

(or C. I'm overthinking this)

not like it matters too much which order Episode 6 and the HN2 DLCs are in

HN2 DLCs -> Episode 6 just makes more sense to me

[cunning wave]

i think quentin is gonna be important in the as

[ripe berry]

na he wont

Alex confirmed

[snow mauve]

NOPE

He won't

And that's was last time we got to see Quentin in AS

[cunning wave]

how do you know alex also said that no one was gonna die in s2

[snow mauve]

Murtaugh's death in ep5

Alex was being sarcastic there 😭

[cunning wave]

maybe he is being sarcvastic also

[snow mauve]

And also Alex stated this when someone asked about Quentin being in AS

[snow mauve]

Incorrect

There's no need to cope

[cunning wave]

guess i have to accept it but maybe he will appear again cause not appeiring and not having a big role are different

[snow mauve]

Nope

He's only there for a cameo

If you want more Quentin then get hello neighbor 2

And play it

That's why it exists

[snow mauve]

Good ending

But also rip hn2

Good ending

because I know

I know something that YOU don't know

[shell gull]

His big role is HN2.

[snow mauve]

So true

[silver vine]

Also SN

[snow mauve]

nupe

just a playable character!

[silver vine]

Playable character = big role

[shell gull]

Ehh, he’s not really a Main Focus plus Live Service Only Game without a Big Story that would work without him.

[mild haven]

hello.... neighbor

[snow mauve]

more like npc than big role 🤓

[silver vine]

npc = non playable character

[snow mauve]

Non playable character = npc

🧠

[silver vine]

dude

Quentin is a playable character in SN

which is basically the opposite of npc

[snow mauve]

Cry bout it

This is hn lore discussion

Not a debate..

[crude dew]

they want to kill everyone, so…not closed out. Imagine killing a game’s main character

so, according to Alex, Quentin is not important…but HN2 revolves around him…

😦

Smith and Iie just died too. Not really surprised abt the decision

lie…IKE

thank you apple company

poor Smith evaporated before he could have done anything

[stark timber]

I would be really surprised if they killed off Quentin, but they diiid kill off Beatrix, so..??

Beatrix wasn't as important of a character as Quentin, but yk

yeah :-(

In Patch 9

BUT, she could maaaybe still be alive?

It's very much implied that she's dead, though

unfortunately

but, it was to establish a connection between Quentin and Beatrix

And it was to give Quentin motivation for his Raven Brooks investigation

Still sad tho

[crude dew]

they killed off bea and smith bc they couldn’t fit them to the plot. hn currently has painfully much characters to deal with writing-wise

[silver vine]

Alex said Quentin has a very small role in the CARTOON

he never said he is not important

[crude dew]

if I didnt know Bea from HG (where she was an entirely different character btw, so technically…nvm) then um…like i said in main chat, who cares that x kids died, that is the mindset of the canon nowadays, sadly. HS correctly grieved over the death of the girls.

[hazy slate]

Depends on exactly how Beatrix went missing

if she got zapped by lightning like Lucy, she could be in the sandbox world from HE

assuming that's where she (Lucy) went in the AS

[willow depot]

tbh I'm glad that even when they did that they didn't completely kill them off and just put one chilling in a slightly open coffin and the other just disappearing all the way back when she was a child

both are bittersweet imo and still allow for hypothetical re-use and of course fanworks and headcanons although that's less valued

I could still enjoy both without too much "plot relevance" with Smith being an easter egg character showing up in places and pointing lore finders towards clues and whatnot and Bea doing whatever else, running a flower shop or something

actually putting them into the world would be good enough

[willow depot]

kinda wish that would be what happened as opposed to being implied dead and essentially killed off simply due to not having enough LORE POINTS!!!1

[crude dew]

Lucy Yi meets Marty Mcfly (canon event)

[worn ibex]

Lucy Yi rn

[wraith radish]

Can someone explain Hello Neighbor lore to me, simplified?

I’ve never actually understood the lore behind it lol

[unkempt sleet]

A bit outdated document, mostly with Hello Engineer part but still it would give a good idea and still holds well
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U1fS1FXlaXSx5koL46CniMBRaxmw92qJnR5s60Iu6PA/edit?usp=drivesdk

i'm gonna update it after HN2 Story Continuation releases, whenever that happens

[ivory tapir]

gerda

[ivory tapir]

no

[proud mauve]

Imagine if they made an Beatrix game

[crude dew]

#media message
cannot put it more simple. first 15 minutes only is the main lore.

[ripe berry]

yeah

Remi's isn't bad for explaining HN1/HNHS
but when it comes to the other games Mr. Apple's document covers some things Remi's video doesn't

[crude dew]

I wanted to cover everything, but bluds ain't watching 1 hour long videos
look at the neighbor video's views

[wicked heath]

Nice reply to a week old post

[tribal talon]

Can anyone explain to me how to neighbors house changes so drastically between games? Like in hello neighbor 1 act 1 its fine, act 2 after an unspecified amount of time it becomes huge, hello neighbor search and rescue sort of explains that somewhat acting like a bridge, but then in hello neighbor 2 it reverts back to the act 1 house from hello neighbor 1. I also think that the hello neighbor 1 act 2 could have been an over exagerated version made by Nicky due to his tramatised state he was in.

[manic dirge]

Gameplay reasons

and act 2 is because we are seeing it from nickys memory. Not what actually happened

[tribal talon]

Sadly thats the answer I expected not the answer I wanted

[silver vine]

you are right at the end

[ripe berry]

sadly HN1 Act 2 is in Nicky's Head and the house isn't actually like that
possibly the same with HNVR
so the Act 1 House is how it's always looked

[silver vine]

act 2 was an exxagerated memory by Nicky

[ripe berry]

but HN2 is also quite some time after HNVR/Act 2 (Actual Events) so...

[silver vine]

until WtRB where he actually builds the act 3 house on top of act 1

[ripe berry]

yea

[crude dew]

the house is the way it is in act 1. Everything else is kid perspective and it is transformed by their mind or trauma

[ivory tapir]

your welcome

[trail haven]

Finally hello neighbor movie announced!!!!

[umbral urchin]

Im really excited!!!😆

[little raven]

OKAY SO MARITZA-CENTRIC THEORY FROM THE SHOW, IN CASE SOMEHOW HER BOOKS LORE STILLS HALF-ALIVE IN THE SERIES!!!

What if she actually acts so "strong" and "tough" to cope about the golden apple young inventors club trauma? Like in the series almost nothing was mentioned about those three... Well, i guess we will find out soon probably, but still!

[crude dew]

does that thing even exist in the AS?

[old glacier]

i mean lucy exists

and she got the bracelet i think

[snow mauve]

And she doesn't know who's Lucy yi nor Mya

[snow mauve]

Not in AS that's for sure lol

[old glacier]

no?

[little raven]

Oh

[old glacier]

i thpopught i saw it

[little raven]

That's actually really depressing

[snow mauve]

Yes

[snow mauve]

You trippin boi

[little raven]

I really like their lore, it made Maritza's character really complex

[snow mauve]

Book Maritza is no more

Now we have SN toxic player gen z Maritza! (Sad..)

[old glacier]

oh shit i am going insane you're right

[little raven]

That's horrible :(

I really got attached to book maritza, it sucks that in the animated series she's potrayed like that

But well, not being a hater or anything but i don't really enjoy how they are slowly getting rid of what made the book characters... Them

[snow mauve]

Yeah everyone has completely changed

[little raven]

Even small details like Esposito's backstories (the fact Ms. Esposito is dead for example)

[snow mauve]

But it is what it is

[little raven]

EVEN THE THING THAT MARITZA SUPPOSEDLY ISN'T INTERESTED ON INVENTOR'S CLUB

[snow mauve]

Womp womp

[little raven]

WASN'T SHE INVESTED ON MECHANICS??? IT WAS MENTIONED IN BAD BLOOD

[snow mauve]

Remember Aaron

Fatality!

I don't think Nicky was even friends with Aaron in the series

All he knows is he thinks Peterson "killed" em

Dude really thought i didn't know

Aaron clearly still exists

We even saw him in a flashback in episode 3 of season 2

With a photo of him

[hazy slate]

This is pre alpha man

Aaron is dead

[snow mauve]

TRUE

Aaron doesn't exist

It's the pre alpha man!

did you just confirmed your real age..

[hazy slate]

as you can see they are wearing gloves

Aaron is physically incapable of wearing gloves

yes.

[manic dirge]

LMFAOOOO

[hazy slate]

bow before me

[snow mauve]

🧠

[hazy slate]

DUDE

[snow mauve]

Crowface is theo!

How logical!

[hazy slate]

THIS IS GENIUS

Of course!

Ted simply became flat and went through the jail bars!

[finite void]

It is the principal membe sh got he arm cut

[snow mauve]

No shit

[finite void]

Mb

[snow mauve]

Sureeeee..

Okay you're still done

You're not supposed to be in this server..

To be that kind of age

You can only be 13 or up to be here

But now that you just exposed your age..

You're pretty much banned..

😭

Nah bro, now you trying to make excuses

[shell gull]

Just watched the New Episode

1. Maritza is the Traitor

2. Trinity is a terrible friend

[wise mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759129678060847105/1294066828720734330/caption-9.gif

[snow mauve]

10/10

[shell gull]

I’d cut her off in a day

[snow mauve]

Thank you cultists for capturing her

🙏

[brittle olive]

Why didn't she die in that sugar coma

Would've been a favor

[potent harness]

plot armor

[brittle olive]

Frick plot armor

Nicky is better anyway

[manic dirge]

Bye bye 🤫 🧏‍♂️

[tall citrus]

I think she is just going insane

Ever since Peterson

[snow mauve]

WRONG

She has a obsession disorder

she loves stalking mysteries

That's why she needs to die

In a sugar coma

[versed yacht]

So what does MiTH watching the kids (specifically Delroy) in the AS mean?

[mild haven]

Maybe he’s working for the crowface(s?) and that’s he snitched

[tribal talon]

how is she a bad friend?

[tribal talon]

and plus you can tell maritza betrayed them so she could protect her family

[dry patio]

Left a traumatized friend in the basement where he got traumatised..

Also the lying

[stark timber]

It’s probably just an easter egg, but he might just be doing the same thing as he was in HG, stalking

My guess is that he’s a journalist or some kind of private investigator?

[dry patio]

Maybe the cultists hired him to do some digging on the kids?

[stark timber]

Maybe

But I imagine him being a good guy for some reason

[tribal talon]

yeah bc nicky would try to stop trinity from whatever she’s doing and plus it isn’t her fault she lied

she literally got captured by crowface

you thought she expected that to happen?

[dry patio]

She lied about visiting theo when everyone told her not to

[tribal talon]

ok but she’s just trying to figure out who’s crowface

and stop crowface

because if she doesn’t

then ravenbrooks will be in danger

[dry patio]

Shes a good person but not a good friend

[tribal talon]

but she had to trap nicky in the basement

because nicky is trying to stop trinity like he did in season 1

they probably could have gotten a big clue if nicky didn’t stop trinity in season 1

in episode 6

[shell gull]

Doesn’t stop the fact she’s a Traitor.

[tribal talon]

true

but she isn’t bad for that

[shell gull]

Left her traumatized Friend in the very place he was traumatized, pushing her friends into her problems and obsession and only hurting them by doing so.

[tribal talon]

Because bro nicky is trying to stop trinity from solving mysteries

trinity had a reason to put him there

[shell gull]

That’s not a reason to be a terrible person you can’t defend that.

[tribal talon]

why is nicky even trying to stop trinity anyways

[dry patio]

Trinity has good intentions but executes them poorly

[tribal talon]

trinity is trying to put a trap then nicky appears and tries stopping trinity

[dry patio]

Leading to other people getting hurt

[tribal talon]

ig

[crude dew]

it is so "funny" to see that even you guys, who are watching the series, want half of the kid cast to die
maybe they are annoying?

[muted moon]

maritza is very annoying

[crude dew]

I cannot say a character who isn't annoying, sadly
they ruined Ibi too 😭

[safe charm]

Mr Peterson

Isnt really annoying

[ripe berry]

wait-
MitH's in the episode?

[old glacier]

yeah everyone just ignored him

[ripe berry]

where is MitH
and which Episiode

gased off what I can see it seems to be either S2 Ep. 4 or 6

OH

0:36 into Episode 4

There he is

[brittle olive]

Wait i thought this was an edit

Is mith really in there?

[ripe berry]

Yes

[ripe berry]

I gave the timestamp here

to the left of Otto's House

[crude dew]

I wouldn't have, if I watched that...

masterpiece 😇

someone sent it to me and I was like "please stop editing characters in, this is not how we cope"

[snow mauve]

Yes

[brittle olive]

Would be cool if he had a role in season 3 or HN 2 but that's 90% not gonna happen

Because tinybuilds is dumb

Both beatrix and quentin could fit the current story really well, idk why they just scrapped them

[glacial whale]

I never noticed that

[snow mauve]

Beatrix is still canon

She is canonically Quentin's sister

[brittle olive]

Ik thar

With scrapped i mean that they just killed her off

[snow mauve]

Calling em dumb is crazy when they got nothing to do with it

[snow mauve]

I see

[brittle olive]

And MiTH too

[snow mauve]

Well MITH we don't know yet

[brittle olive]

Maybe they're going to appear in the Future but i find it unlikely

[snow mauve]

He could still be alive

His grave got sealed and isn't there anymore

[brittle olive]

Wait really?

[snow mauve]

Yes

[brittle olive]

Interesting

He did appear in the AS as an easter egg so mayhe

[shut tapir]

If only the 3 kids from the 1.5 alpha made an appearance

[brittle olive]

That too

[snow mauve]

They're missing anyway

I don't see the point

Of them showing up

[shut tapir]

That’s alpha 1.5

[snow mauve]

WRONG

You really need to catch up buddy

They are still canon

[dry patio]

They are in the school dlc

[snow mauve]

And they are missing

Except the alien girl

Is actually gerda

[glacial whale]

Wait which episode was this in or where does it show this?

[snow mauve]

That was already found

But the other two are still missing

[snow mauve]

Yep thank you apple

[unkempt sleet]

ep 4

it's at 0:35

[shut tapir]

Oh well nvm I guess

[glacial whale]

Thanks

[snow mauve]

Listen to your lore master next time smh

[willow depot]

HE LIVES

[crude dew]

repurposing those 3 kids from alpha 1.5 was a mistake (video essay)

[willow depot]

Oh so Keith and Mayor ALSO had a thing going?

[snow mauve]

Of course

They're cultists after all

[willow depot]

I'm just glad they acknowledge him

[crude dew]

just an easter egg, im afraid

[snow mauve]

Does she know?

Oh wait she doesn't!

[willow depot]

tbh still better than "implied dead"

[shut tapir]

Is that the guy from the hello guest pre alpha ending?

[willow depot]

yes him

[shut tapir]

Holy moly guacamole

[snow mauve]

Man in the hattttt

MJ!

Missing Journalist

The guy

[hazy slate]

WHOA

HE'S ALIVE

[willow depot]

Nope

even from a distance you can see that it's the sticky nose and not one that MJ got

[snow mauve]

Same character

:>

Hehehe

[willow depot]

I'm gonna

sigh

[wooden hollow]

Design consistency is not this series' strong suit.

And it's a better conclusion than the Missing Journalist being forgotten.

[willow depot]

Given that M.J. was made after MITH's model, I'm sure they'd at least get his NOSE right considering that not only is such a shape is common throughout the series but also given that it's

like

the only part of his face that you can actually SEE.

And it's not like they did MJ once

[willow depot]

was there anything pointing at that he was actually wearing the costume on-screen

genuine question because I might'e missed it

[wooden hollow]

Are you saying all cultists have the same body shape? The mayor is just an example, I could say the same for every other character.

[willow depot]

not really

[shut tapir]

There’s a thinner one

[unkempt sleet]

It's Mayor's voice so like it's him

[willow depot]

Hear me out though imagine an "accurate" Crowface costume for Mayor that's like chubby and all that'd be funny

[shut tapir]

I can’t unhear it

[willow depot]

Back on MITH≠MJ though, come on

It's like, right there, there's no way they could possibly go "Oh yeah drawing MITH without disguise or whatever" and getting his fricking NOSE wrong TWICE

[unkempt sleet]

what if Mith's noise is the wrong one

[willow depot]

Why would it be

[unkempt sleet]

and that they decided to change the design of his nose a bit

it's not like character designs dont change slightly in this series

like Guest's model

[willow depot]

Truly not, but I think one wouldn't want to change character design's aspects when giving them a new identity that they'd want you to connect

[willow depot]

Also doesn't Quentin get put on the case after MJ gets taken for getting too close

[unkempt sleet]

a nose is not that big of a deal though? He still looks like Mith

[willow depot]

Him looking like Mith revolves around him balding.

yeah but I suppose hypocritical of me after making a nose a big deal

[unkempt sleet]

It storywise makes sense too, MJ was a journalist that was investigating the cult, and getting too deep into it he had to go into hiding because he knows what Cult would do to him

"He got too close to them"

similiar to Norman Darby from the books

[willow depot]

that implies that he actually got the consequences

[unkempt sleet]

He got too close to them, now he has to live hiding

[unkempt sleet]

clearly not though

[snow mauve]

Mith is MJ!

[willow depot]

ha

[snow mauve]

Hehe

Just accept it pear

Mith is mj..

[willow depot]

I'm still not convinced, sorry for my ignorance/stubborn behavior but I still think they'd make it

more clear in more ways

why would the alleged colleauge of Quentin just grab and try bend him over to put in his car or whatever he does in the ending cutscenes

[snow mauve]

Bend what over

[unkempt sleet]

Well, Hello Guest isn't canon

[snow mauve]

true

[unkempt sleet]

Only full releases are canon, and HG was like pre-alpha for HN2

[willow depot]

you could loophole it around since the tape you get off MITH in SN is the HG ending

[snow mauve]

howeverrr!

[willow depot]

buut you know how it is

[unkempt sleet]

which tape

[willow depot]

uh uh

the one you get from his car trunk

[snow mauve]

Remember that old SN had film reeels

[unkempt sleet]

is it those tapes that arent possible to get anymore

[snow mauve]

One had Diane and Peterson

[willow depot]

to be entirely fair MITH isn't a thing in SN anymore either so

[snow mauve]

Other ones showed HNAS pilot clip

[willow depot]

well, if I remember correctly

[unkempt sleet]

well that sure as hell aint canon

[snow mauve]

And the HG one

[snow mauve]

Those got removed anyway lol

[unkempt sleet]

Well, one of the SN tips say "Journalist knows the owner of the Hat" after Quentin got added

[willow depot]

always kinda thought it was referring back to the ending reel

he "knows" the owner of the hat ever since he tried to detain him

[snow mauve]

Quentin is the replacement journalist of MJ/MITH!

[willow depot]

honestly kinda always vibed with Beatrix's and Mith's dynamic

[snow mauve]

Too bad she's uhhhhh dead..

(Lol)

[willow depot]

wasn't she said to be "missing" just like all of you saying that MJ is "missing" yet is still alive

[snow mauve]

just a theory!

[unkempt sleet]

Well Beatrix went missing as a kid

[snow mauve]

correct

However her grave is there

[willow depot]

where

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2 foresttttt

[unkempt sleet]

i'm just saying the grave could be empty

[snow mauve]

Near the church

[snow mauve]

Dun dun dunnnn

[unkempt sleet]

technically we find the newspaper inside the grave that is kinda empty

[snow mauve]

Probably just a way to be family friendly

[willow depot]

Beatrix is too much of a bhaddie to die y'all

[willow depot]

you could just

[snow mauve]

She ugly asf

[willow depot]

put it

ON

[snow mauve]

Quentin is beautiful

[willow depot]

the grave

[unkempt sleet]

exactly

this guy gets it

[snow mauve]

Mappleeeee

[willow depot]

I like this guy

[snow mauve]

You're making me angry..

You two should be buds

[willow depot]

as fruits, naturally

[unkempt sleet]

True true

[snow mauve]

Pear and apple

Interesting trio

I'm uhhhhh bird!

And I can just eat you two if I wanted to

[willow depot]

uh-oh

[snow mauve]

:)

[willow depot]

anyway back to what I was saying it's just so comical having MITH try detain Beatrix, getting hit in the ear and suddenly getting offended

[willow depot]

"they're the same picture"

[ripe berry]

(well hey, at least tinyBuild didn't kill off MitH)

[willow depot]

This one Easter Egg truly giving me back hope

They should just put him into backgrounds

[ripe berry]

and Alex | CEO was like "Nice Catch" when the HN Facts account mentioned it on Twitter

[willow depot]

Woo

[ripe berry]

https://x.com/aNichiporchik/status/1854892220639310290

Alex Nichiporchik (@aNichiporchik) on X

@HNFact Nice catch

Twitter · Nov 8, 2024, 2:22 PM

can't wait for us to find MitH elsewhere in the series

[glacial whale]

That one movie about the Italian rat

I’m not spelling it again

[willow depot]

Ra

Rata

Err

Ratatotuoleejbcgjvssaavbjio

[glacial whale]

Yea

[ripe berry]

ratatouie? (I have no clue if i spelt that right)

[bronze tundra]

Leg

[woeful moat]

it means the same thing as in 2020 when they did this exact same thing in SN..

hopefully this time they actually expand on it and don't just throw him into the background never to be seen again... again

[ripe berry]

yeah
at least they properly acknowledged his existence without us having to rely on fan-theories again

[woeful moat]

well, not yet

once again he is relegated to a point and look easter egg

we'll have to see if he will actually be used

[ripe berry]

still better then not existing at all

[glacial basin]

yo who you guys thinking r the crowfaces

one of them def abanate or whtvr her name is

[brittle olive]

There's multiple of them so we can't say who all of them are

[glacial basin]

im only looking for hypothetical answers

[brittle olive]

But we know that the mayor, gerda, Leslie, and taxidermist are cultists

[glacial basin]

leslie def is one

he grabbed the coins from theo that one time

[brittle olive]

That's probably why they arrested him in the first place

[glacial basin]

who called the cops on theo tho when he was pulling trinity

[brittle olive]

No one

[glacial basin]

no one?

[brittle olive]

I mean trinity did call the cops but leslie didn't arrest him

He obviously took the bag because it wasn't supposed to be with Peterson and probably used it as evidence against peterson

Maybe all of the cops are cultists

[glacial basin]

could be

its probs all the kids that r grown up now who killed his bro

well

possibly killed his bro

[brittle olive]

So here's a quick Theory about Franklin:

[glacial basin]

alr

[brittle olive]

Franklin didn't actually die, the beam of light from the sinkhole actually saved his life, why do i think this?

Because in the peterson painting with his brother, you can clearly see both theo and franklin are older

[glacial basin]

which painting

[brittle olive]

I think that franklin probably died later on due to the cultists cursing the peterson bloodline

[brittle olive]

The one with theo and franklin

[glacial basin]

thats true cuz i read they were gonna kill mya

[brittle olive]

It appears in all versions of the game

[glacial basin]

at golden apple

but they thought theo knew too much abt them so they decided to kill lucy yi instead

who knows why tho

[brittle olive]

There is no why

[ripe berry]

?

[ripe berry]

you see
Lucy wasn't the intended death