lore-discussion

[cunning wave]

really.........?

[snow mauve]

Duhhh

It's all a coincidence

[cunning wave]

is it thoughhh.....?

ik that it is a coincedence i just find it funny

[tribal talon]

Does anyone actually know where my nickname (The Shadow) comes from?

[cunning wave]

probably some random youtuber saw you and said is that a shadow and the name caught on. some people call you the tree man

[tribal talon]

PEOPLE STILL CALL ME TREE MAN!

[glacial whale]

Tree man? I’ve heard something else but I don’t want to be taken out of context

[wise mulch]

LORE!?

sherrif nicky

[manic dirge]

LOLLLL

[tribal talon]

Last time I checked, I wasn't tormenting a toy.

[mint kernel]

so from my understanding, the guest is somewhat human and crowface is supernatural

a normal human cant punch straight through a door

also murtaugh might die this season

we know crowface took ivan so he might have heard the commotion and got killed

[safe charm]

Crowface is said to outright

Be human by Alex

[mint kernel]

contradicts episode 3, he had some crazy feats there

[mint kernel]

this is the first thing i see after opening my tab

[azure skiff]

Yo thing

[ornate grove]

thx i needed that

[primal goblet]

Is hello neighbor 2 alpha 1 and hello guest cannon?

[wise mulch]

No lol

[willow depot]

Isn't he your toy in a way though

[tribal talon]

Huh?

[willow depot]

You could say that tormenting Roth is like toying with him in a way

So, he is a toy

[tribal talon]

Nah, I don't see him as a toy. It's not fun tormenting a toy because there's no negativity coming from him.

It's fun making people suffer mentally

[azure skiff]

Do you like the neighbor?

[wise mulch]

Yeah he’s pretty jolly

[crude dew]

I saw these renders, they look so cool
they fit the characters exactly

[manic dirge]

LOLLLL

[frank star]

YOU are my EX WOODY...

You seem to have forgotten all about it

but you love Toy Story just as much as me...

https://tenor.com/view/thisisareplicaofandysroomfromtoystory-toy-story-hello-neighbor-lmao-gif-1858548682309540403

[frank star]

My god...

[crude dew]

excellent

[quick fulcrum]

Bro I love this channel

Lore is my favorite thing about hn ngl

Even tho it is confusing most of the time

[wise mulch]

It’s not confusing it’s just bad tbh

[quick fulcrum]

Quiet Tiny build will assassinate is

[wise mulch]

Yeah, tinybuild is sneaky these days

[wise mulch]

Canceling patch 10.. they’re probably gonna get rid of me next 😢

[quick fulcrum]

Lol

[manic coyote]

lol

[ripe berry]

I've seen people saying the "Ground the story in the AS" implies making it closer to reality

it simply means this

so just clearing up a common misinterpetation

[cunning wave]

patch 10 is canceled?!?!

[wise mulch]

Most likely yeah, no news in 2 years. That’s just plain obvious

[calm sentinel]

That makes way more sense

[wise mulch]

What’s scence

If you trying to say “sense” then ok

I’ll just admit that

Later

[safe charm]

This alone proves

[calm sentinel]

Yeah I was in a hurry and messed up

[safe charm]

Guest isnt human

And hnvr is supposed to be Canon

To hn2

[spark tulip]

where did you get two years from?

also, we have gotten news, just not teasers

[spark tulip]

||(except i consider Shelter ambience, Shelter Forest ambience, and Unreleased Tracks 1 and 2 to be teasers, since they were released after patch #9 and the whole "we won't be sharing anything until we're ready" thing)||

[cunning wave]

that doesnt mean that it is canceled

[crude dew]

I've been writing since forever, and even I can't figure out, what happens in some scenes

[glacial whale]

Perhaps it was another imagination metaphor thing? I mean I thought the guest couldn’t be human from that game but we might have had the wrong interpretation?

[tall citrus]

When the new episode of as releases?

[manic dirge]

24th

[tall citrus]

Ty

[manic dirge]

Yeah np. Just ask in #hello-neighbor next time

[manic coyote]

Book is have all thing

[ornate grove]

the books are better than the show tbh

[shell gull]

It has only been like 7 months since we last got News…

[wise mulch]

im not smart

but still

[shell gull]

They said they were only going to share News when they were ready.

[wise mulch]

ok

[shell gull]

And they came back earlier this Week when rumors on the Game were coming around (Rumors were true).

[ripe berry]

btw
Sh1mpnut
just so you know

[shell gull]

Makes sense that they want to make the story more simple and easy to understand

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

11 months

[reef orbit]

what rumors

[cunning wave]

which rumors?

[shell gull]

Man how do I explain without getting in trouble

I’ll DM both of you

[manic dirge]

Could you DM me which rumors you're referring to?

[muted moon]

almost a year

[ivory tapir]

its not

[ivory tapir]

like they said they prefer to show teasers when they feel like its ready too if u want patch 10 to not be rushed be patient

[wise mulch]

Tell my friend to stop spreading misinformation please

He will never listen to me

[shell gull]

Yeah almost a year when taking in the fact they said they would only share News when ready, and since Jay replied to HN2 Rumors just a Week less ago we don’t need to worry.

[mild haven]

Are the books fully canon

some parts are canon and some not

[silver vine]

yes

everything is canon

[mild haven]

ohhh

yay

[ancient nymph]

but like, in different timelines right? like FNAF

[snow mauve]

NOPE

[silver vine]

No

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon!

[silver vine]

That's the thing

There's no multiple timelines

It's all the same timeline....somehow

[snow mauve]

At least we thought

[ancient nymph]

that's impossible, like in the books Lucy Yi dies and in AS she dissapears

[silver vine]

They made her disappear in the AS because they wanted the park to reopen!

[snow mauve]

it is what it is

[ancient nymph]

also, in the books the park doesn't reopen, it burns down

[snow mauve]

Hello engineer momento..

Everything is starting to make sense now..

That would explain the park still looking kinda fresh and new

In game

[silver vine]

Faceless corporation Earthpro erases the Park from existence

[ancient nymph]

I prefer thinking that the AS is canon and the rest of things are just extras, like in Bendy

[haughty lava]

ok so can some of you guys catch me up on the lore, i was gone for like a year

and the last time i was here i gave the fake neighbor a name

his name is the klumpler

wow

i suck at naming things

[shell gull]

Just got back and saw the New Episode, Trinity working with Ted sounds cool, Multiple Crowfaces seems very likely now.

Anything I missed that I need to know?

Any Theories?

[haughty lava]

most of the theorists are kinda going insane

I mean

all of them do

[silver vine]

The park is getting reopened!!!!!!

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-15901363242606965490

what.

[silver vine]

Yeah

[haughty lava]

but, why?

I mean i haven't watched the new episode or anything really

but

: |

w h y

[ornate grove]

because the show doesn't make sense anymore

[shell gull]

Oh yeah forgot about that, also Leslie and The Mayor having the Blueprints.

[haughty lava]

I like how they brought back the trauma shadow guy

I mean

I haven't seen him in any media besides the first game

until now

so like

yeah

[silver vine]

He's in SN

As well

[haughty lava]

oh yeah... but he's kinda, under utilized

y'know?

[potent harness]

only when you die as neighbor but yeah

[haughty lava]

guys i found an image of fake neighbor (klumpler) in some robes

I made that image 2 years ago

never gets any less cursed

he will now be our mascot for lore discussion because we don't have one

maybe there's a reason

[shell gull]

No.

[haughty lava]

buzz kill

like cmon

he'll be looking messed up

but that's the point

I mean

he's no different from you or I

except most of his face is caved in

yeesh

[manic dirge]

This is starting to make me think that crowface and the guest are different. because theres only one guest

These could just be the cultists

[haughty lava]

it's been confirmed check hello neighbor channel.. They are infact different people... and might be cultist

key word IS MIGHT

we don't know yet

[manic dirge]

I bet it is a cultist

[haughty lava]

like this guy?

i'm currently laughing

I like how lore discussion basically became theory channel over time

[shell gull]

That’s what Alex has been hinting at.

[haughty lava]

... They really should change the name to theory and lore discussion

[haughty lava]

it's like a flip of the coin

but this time with our lord and savior The Guest

and not some phoney crowface

like

he doesn't even have the face of a crow

they should have just called him crow thing

also

the place is called raven brooks

[haughty lava]

Yet there are crows

also

The Guest isn't a who, it's a what

[shell gull]

Ravens and Crows are the same thing, Ravens are just bigger and better Crows.

[haughty lava]

...

[silver vine]

Alex basically confirmed that crowface is different from guest

[haughty lava]

ravenface

anyways

[shell gull]

No The Guest has been confirmed an actual Person and not an Entity.

[haughty lava]

....

[shell gull]

At least for AS

Books I’m not sure about.

[haughty lava]

: )

[manic dirge]

Ok

[silver vine]

"What is the guest"

[haughty lava]

in the books he's a crypted

[shell gull]

Sure he says that but he’s said “Who” WAY more.

[haughty lava]

...

[silver vine]

He says who is CROWFACE way more

[haughty lava]

Yeah

he's our false savior

The Guest is our true savior

Also

I just realized something

[shell gull]

Fair.

[haughty lava]

if the kids were against The Guest, they would already be dead

I mean The Guest can shape shift into dead people

and become water

so like

yeah

The Guest isn't human

[shell gull]

Well…based on what was the Plot leading to in HN2 which could fairly be different The Guest is most likely using The Cult for his own benefit but now it seems that might not be true anymore.

[shell gull]

That was in the books, not AS.

[manic dirge]

me when

[haughty lava]

I mean, the show follows most of the books.. but sometimes different

[haughty lava]

that is true

[shell gull]

The Guest isn’t Supernatural.

[haughty lava]

...

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

[haughty lava]

I think insanity has reached all of us by now

I mean, even trinity from the hit show Welcome to Raven Brooks

is insane

or atleast on the decline of sanity

and nicky is now schizophrenic

so schizophrenic his eyes changed colors

and everyone else is probably dead

man

dead kids

shocking

[crude dew]

nah it ain't fnaf

[snow mauve]

It is now

[worn epoch]

What is the point of collecting the golden coins?

[ornate grove]

we dont know yet

or at least i don't

[silver cargo]

I think that Peterson collects the coins primarily to track down the cult members and to prevent further misfortune.

But that's just my little theory.

[snow mauve]

Well that's also because

He's sorta doing the favor

For the town

Since the coins are "bad luck"

And it's been happening when someone owns it

That's why Peterson tries to collect them all

And hides them away from the cultists

So they don't find em

But unfortunately he failed thanks to the kids..

[snow mauve]

To hide them away from the cultists

They're responsible for cursing the town

With these magic bad luck coins

They've been giving them to the people in town

Which caused some to die or get injured

Whoever owns the coin

Then something bad will happen around them

[hazy slate]

As an arrogant SN guest main, I can confirm this.

[haughty lava]

same, man, same

y'know you're gonna die when you hear kraww

[manic coyote]

bone and flesh İs mean thats human

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

[muted moon]

both are canon

also, nikita said the guest was never supernatural

[ripe berry]

having 3 Guest isn't supernatural statements confirms it for me

[muted moon]

yeah

and for me it confirms that the neighbor is the guest

theres literally no way he cant be

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

I mean

there could be a way

[muted moon]

cope

[haughty lava]

you cope

[ripe berry]

Crowface is not the Guest
Crowface is the Cultists

[haughty lava]

yeah

[ripe berry]

HN2 Intro

[muted moon]

crowface

[haughty lava]

He wasn't even a thing back then

I'd say the new The Guest in the free dlc is

[muted moon]

AS is most likely the guests origin story

[ripe berry]

Guest Description from Artstation implies that is the Guest

[haughty lava]

it's The Guest not the Guest

[muted moon]

is it Earth or The Earth?

[haughty lava]

That's different

I mean

just saying Guest is wrong

it doesn't sound like a good name

but The Guest does

Brings more mystery

y'know

also

[muted moon]

this was ages ago

[haughty lava]

time to bring back my old board of who The Guest could be

[muted moon]

plans can change

[ripe berry]

it's just Guest

[muted moon]

like man in the hat

[ripe berry]

see

[muted moon]

we call him the man in the hat

[haughty lava]

I need to re download the image, give me a minute

[muted moon]

but hes just Man In The Hat

[muted moon]

also, bag design

[ripe berry]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/elenZ3

[muted moon]

crowface has cloak, guest has bag

[ripe berry]

here's the source btw for those who dont know

[ripe berry]

Guest in Patch 9 has Cloak

Guest in HN2 Intro doesn't

your point?

[muted moon]

idk

[haughty lava]

I brought back this garbage

[muted moon]

the guest HAS to be neighbor because of gn2 and reset day
but they cant because of intro

[ripe berry]

if anything the lack of a cloak implies the Guest in the HN2 Intro isn't a Crowface

[haughty lava]

yeah

[muted moon]

its not a crowface

its just crowface

[ripe berry]

if there's multiple people who are all Crowface might as well be

[haughty lava]

I mean, The Guest in the free dlc has the cloak, making it crowface

but in the intro The Guest doesn't have one

so

yeah

I'm just repeating stuff

[ripe berry]

Crowface can both be used to refer to a single person/identity AND saying "a Crowface" works since multiple people are Crowface, thus there's multiple Crowfaces

[muted moon]

we dont know if multiple people are crowface

there might just be one

[ripe berry]

it seems highly likely

there's one at the School
someone attacks Maritza
And Delroy possibly is also attacked by one

[haughty lava]

Guys this is crowface canon

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-pea-shooter-pea-shooter-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-gif-2071078433980551223

[muted moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1268441813140639836/secrets.mp4?ex=671d283e&is=671bd6be&hm=926329787ae73a391158a58614b05f2563ddf2fa94e90563bb941538a5b8fdae& old video, but this seems to show the patch 9 guest is crowface, and theres probably only one

[ripe berry]

but isn't that called the Guest everywhere including files?

and also

no wait nvm

[muted moon]

files arent canon

[haughty lava]

sir, you aren't canon

[muted moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277942412622430208/1294281268443222088/togif.gif

[haughty lava]

[insert petty laugh]

[haughty lava]

:I

I said you aren't

as in

you are not

[muted moon]

and i said *you're

[haughty lava]

I mean

I don't need that though

[muted moon]

*sir you're canon

[haughty lava]

:I

no no

I meant what i said

I mean

none of us are

[muted moon]

*you're

[ripe berry]

also Alex implied there's more questions about the Guest in AS Episode 5 SO I think the Guest isn't just Ted

somehow

[muted moon]

AS is the guests origin story

reset day and gn2 show the guest as ted

[haughty lava]

|:I

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

The Guest, The Nest, crowface

[ripe berry]

and the final episode will explain why Guest's Cloak is ripped according to Alex

[haughty lava]

:I

[muted moon]

stop calling crowface guest 😭

[haughty lava]

yeah

[haughty lava]

it's getting annoying

[ripe berry]

not my fault he responded to a question calling it Guest

[haughty lava]

...

[haughty lava]

We need to make a drinking game with this

everyone get some juice or water

[ripe berry]

for the hell did I misremember that

(but the character we're talking about is the Patch 9 "Raven Brooks Urban Legend" whose Model is also used for the Guest and called the Guest in the files)

oh here he responds to it being called Guest

I DIDN'T misremember!

[haughty lava]

But The Guest is our beautiful little bald savior

[haughty lava]

I don't get it

he's dancing

[ripe berry]

also
20 seconds into Patch 9 Launch Trailer
they call what you're claiming is Crowface the Guest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-RMMA5GgA

[muted moon]

its a trailer

[haughty lava]

yeah.

[muted moon]

adam didnt even know crowface existed

[haughty lava]

adam who?

[muted moon]

mad-eye yokai

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[muted moon]

adam was the one who voiced this trailer and most of the other ones

[shell gull]

There’s clearly a distinction between Crowface and The Guest.

[muted moon]

a cloak and a bag

[haughty lava]

Yeah The Guest is beautifully bald

[shell gull]

The Guest doesn’t have his Bag after the Redesign with the Cloak though.

But tbf there is clearly Fwo Different Designs

One with the Cloak and one without it (+Bag).

But also the distinction between there being a reason between the difference in Cloak design in AS and HN2.

[muted moon]

the cloak redesign might not even be the guest

plus intro guest has no cloak

[haughty lava]

That's what I have been saying

[ripe berry]

another Patch 9 Bird Man is Guest evidence

https://x.com/NeighborGamesHQ/status/1720101248420937745

Hello Neighbor Games (@NeighborGamesHQ) on X

We're back with Hotfix 2 for Hello Neighbor 2 to make your sneaky adventures even better!
🐦 The Guest no longer gets stuck while breaking barricades. Watch out, investigators, he's on the move!
🔦 The tunnel is still creepy but a bit lighter now.
https://t.co/KMI7F2tVc2

Twitter · Nov 2, 2023, 3:31 PM

this tweet

[haughty lava]

MikeHuff just stop

[ripe berry]

and the tweet when the Xbox release of Patch 9 occured also says "an unexpected Guest"

[haughty lava]

:I

[shell gull]

I’m kinda with Michael here.

[haughty lava]

how

that update came before season 2

[ripe berry]

https://x.com/NeighborGamesHQ/status/1732450258246836357

Hello Neighbor Games (@NeighborGamesHQ) on X

It's Hello Neighbor 2's first birthday, and to celebrate we've brought Patch 9 to Xbox & Playstation!

Featuring:

🌲A whole new area to explore - The Forest
🔨New mechanics
❓An unexpected Guest
🛤️ A new method of transport
🔧 Fixes & Improvements

And tons more!

Twitter · Dec 6, 2023, 5:21 PM

[haughty lava]

yeah way before season 2

[shell gull]

It’s clearly supposed to be The Guest, The Cultist in HN2 look way different look at my PFP, then again sure Plans can change but that means we would have to just wait till the Story Expansion to find out, also remember they point out the distinction between the Difference in Cloak Design in AS and HN2, In HN2 it’s a Cape while in AS we see a Gowned that Cultist would wear, and they Point it out.

[shell gull]

Patch 9 Expansion was made to fit in AS.

[haughty lava]

bald The Guest is The Guest, cloaked faker is something else

[shell gull]

Alex confirmed it by stating HN2 is slowly correlating with AS saying this before Patch 9 (Also referring to it) had came out.

HN2 DIRECTLY states that the Raven Man we see is The Guest, then again Plans can change but that means we’d have to wait for when we see the Changes and till then it’s clear The Guest in HN2 is indeed The Guest.

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

[ripe berry]

also we LITERALLY got this teaser today from the end of Season 2 (assuming "season finale" meant S2 and not S3)

either Crowface is multiple people
OR
Crowface is likely dead by the time HN2 occurs

[haughty lava]

why did they curb stomp him man

[ripe berry]

pick one
you can not pick both

[haughty lava]

also, maybe The Guest just stole the cloak

in hn2

[ripe berry]

yeah possible

[haughty lava]

or it's another crowface

but the former sounds more funnier

[old glacier]

ever seen Scream?

[ripe berry]

all I'm saying is the Guest in HN2 is the Guest

[old glacier]

Ghostface is multiple people

[ripe berry]

I know
I'm sayign 2 things here

Crowface is multiple people

[old glacier]

yes doens't mean guest is multiple people

[ripe berry]

and the Raven Man in HN2 is the Guest

[old glacier]

alex said this will be explained no ?

in as

[ripe berry]

not saying that at all

[haughty lava]

The Guest is our lord and savior, he can't be more than one "person"

[ripe berry]

just saying until further evidence the Crowman in HN2 is the Guest and not one of the Crowfaces

also Alex said there's only one Guest

[ripe berry]

and also that the Cloaked Crowman and the non-cloaked Crowman are the same character

what the Guest is? idk

it's just for now I want to stick to facts

[muted moon]

doesnt mean they are dead

this could be why the cloak is ripped in hn2

[ripe berry]

Problem

this is likely Season 2 since it's SEASON Finale not SERIES Finale

Final Episode of S3 is when the cloak thing is explained

also

you say Bald Crowman = Guest
Cloaked Crowman = Crowface

well Bald Crowman is impossibly seen at almost the exact same time as Ted

and Cloaked Crowman also has the same exact clothes as Bald Crowman

and Cloaked Crowman is actually the one not seen at the same time as Ted

under your logic there is no way to separate Crowface and the Guest from each other
making them basically multiple Guests

[muted moon]

AS season 2 happens roughly the same time as hn2

[ripe berry]

if Final Episode of Season 3 explains the Cloak difference then ALL of AS is before HN2

unless you tell me Quentin's knocked out for multiple weeks or smth

[muted moon]

so basically the story makes no sense currently

[ripe berry]

and also

Final Episode of Season 2 is when Ted breaks out of jail

[old glacier]

never has been
never will be

[ripe berry]

thus Season 2 doesn't occur at the same time as HN2

(Alex said S2 Ends in Red and also said it's all red once Ted escapes Jail)

[muted moon]

what does red mean

[ripe berry]

maybe Blood since

but either way

Season 2 is before HN2

[ripe berry]

and again
unless Crowface is the same character as the Guest OR not in HN2
your logic basically contradicts Alex

there is only one Guest

but "Crowface" in HN2 looks near identical to the Guest

and since both are humans
they might as well be multiple Guests since there's no difference between them other then name
and technically identity

[shell gull]

Yeah it’s clear.

[ripe berry]

until further notice
Guest is in SN (Imagination), HN2, HNVR, HE (Cameo, as Statue), AS (Unseen as of yet), GN2, and Reset Day

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/lunadials-topi-dude-from-breaking-gif-21214320

[stiff spire]

hello neighbors

[silver vine]

Crowface wears a full cloak

HN2 intro guest doesn't

Which means he is the real guest

[spark tulip]

you can see bald crowman under the cloak

problem solved

[stuck tendon]

The show Is not the same Canon so there Is no point in comparing them to the games

Hello neighbor 2 's guest Is Actually THE Guest.
The books Guest Is also THE Guest

Just different canons

[silver vine]

But it is

It's been confirmed several times

The creator himself said that books, games and cartoon are all canon

And he denied multiverse theory

[silver vine]

I agree with this tho

HN2 guest is THE guest

Crowface is cultists

[stuck tendon]

I'm pretty sure the books aren't canon anymore

[silver vine]

They are

[stuck tendon]

Yeah your right about the cultists being crowface

[silver vine]

Dude

[stuck tendon]

Ok

My bad

Books ARE canon

[silver vine]

The person inside the costume is bleeding through their beak

They're most prob dead

[unkempt sleet]

yea, AS is not showing blood unless the person is dead

[stuck tendon]

They said they werent Canon but as of now they are

[unkempt sleet]

case in point, Maritza's leg with the beartrap

but they do show the blood when the person is dead, like ep 1 + 2

[silver vine]

My point is that the blood is leaking from the beak

Which means there's already a lot of blood inside the beak

Which means whoever is inside, he's dead

[willow depot]

which is brutal by the way

[silver vine]

Indeed

[stuck tendon]

So wasnt this a Kids show

[willow depot]

not anymore

[silver vine]

It is

A kids show

[stuck tendon]

They are not gonna air season 2 on cartoon network dude

[silver vine]

Ehhh

[stuck tendon]

Kids can totally handle Blood but you know how It Is

[silver vine]

They aired uncensored versions of the first two episodes

Of season 1

You know the realtor and the cashier

[stuck tendon]

Yeah but crowface got shot in the head with so much Blood that it's leaking from his beak

That's too much

Anyway do you think it's the principal

?

Crowface

I don't think

I think it's One dude we haven't met yet or maybe multiple people

[safe charm]

We haven’t seen the real guest yet

As well

[stuck tendon]

The principal was in her office while crowface captured the guest

So its not her

But i don't think they are multiple people either

Also what about Theo Brother?

[stuck tendon]

So the series Is not the same Canon as the games

Come on

Trinity Is his neighbor instead of nicky

[safe charm]

Apparently it is canon

[stuck tendon]

Oh

But there are like a LOT of inconciestencies

Trinity house Is different than Nicky's

[safe charm]

Yeah

[stuck tendon]

So we just accept defeat basically

[silver vine]

Says who

Nicky's house is right next to Trinity's

Have you seen the series or what

Nicky's and Trinity's house placement is literally there in HN1

[stuck tendon]

Oh

[silver vine]

Trinity's house in AS is based on the red house next to Nicky's house in HN1

[stuck tendon]

So does trinity house directly face the petersons

?

[silver vine]

Both

Directly face the house

You can see that in HN1

If you notice properly

[stuck tendon]

Wait I'm going

I mean,not really

[silver vine]

It's red in pc

Im getting the pic

My internet is damn slow

why is my internet so slow

this is taking forever

[silver vine]

yes really

finally

there

[stuck tendon]

Oh ok

I Guess it's good enough

You're right

The house Is not directly opposite to trinity's

So are the books Canon too?

[dry patio]

"Canon but not in a way you think" -nikita

[prisma anvil]

#teasers

[ripe berry]

everything is canon

[safe charm]

Ughhh

[stuck tendon]

Sorry but Nicky and Enzo personalities in the book and show are totally different,there are SO many inconcistencies,i guess the show and the game could be canon but not the books

[ripe berry]

everything is canon

but not in a way most think

[stuck tendon]

Ok

[stuck tendon]

I see

I Guess we Will find out what this means

[silver vine]

wait

guys

if the coins give bad luck

why are the cultists wearing them in HN2 paintning

[stuck tendon]

I think crowface Is only a cultist

Maybe the most important but not multiple people

[snow mauve]

Well most cultist members we saw are definitely important too anyway

[stuck tendon]

Fair but the neighbor spoke about crowface as singular

[hallow bronze]

So guys is The Guest a human?

Bcz I heard som1 say he is

[hallow bronze]

Pretty sure the whole Hn2 bosses are cultists anyways

[safe charm]

Nah

Crowface is human though

[hallow bronze]

Thats why every1 convinced that the guys theyre spying on is Crowface

And theyre tryna summon The Guest

[safe charm]

Guest has existed for a long time

Though

He’s an old urban legend

[stuck tendon]

I think every cultist member has the standard cultist drip

While crowface Is like a pastor or preach or something

Who wants to summon the guest

[hallow bronze]

Good bcz if he was he was gonna lose his top1 spot as my favorite

[hallow bronze]

For all we know Animated Serie takes place before hn1

And there isnt any reference to Guest in hn1, hence being a chance he wasnt born yet

[silver vine]

he didnt speak about crowface

he spoke about VISITOR

[stuck tendon]

Oh

I see

[silver vine]

visitor is what the guest is called in the files

if you didnt know

[hallow bronze]

Basicaly the same thing

[silver vine]

yeah

[stuck tendon]

Cool

So he Is in the guest's game

[hallow bronze]

Wait no bcz in that case the neighbor isnt even crazy yet

[safe charm]

But guest has existed for ages

The urban legend at least

Of raven man

[hallow bronze]

Yeah I know 😔

[ripe berry]

yeah...
because Trinity was talking about someone who VISITED her house

hence

Vistor

[hallow bronze]

Okay guys Im indecisive yall pick my pfp image

(Cloaked Guest or Uncloaked Guest)

[ripe berry]

all Trinity said was "Some freak in a bird outfit"
he wouldn't know if she's talking Crowface or the Guest

so he could mean either there

[hallow bronze]

Im pretty sure it was Crowface anyways

[stuck tendon]

Im pretty sure he Is in the guest's game

Crowface can't be the man in the hat right?

[stuck tendon]

Sorry what

[silver vine]

fake

[haughty lava]

nu uh

he's the fake neighbor

from hn2 alpha's

[stuck tendon]

Ok

[willow depot]

Not really, they had beef all the way back in Hello Guest and as much as changes could be made I doubt they'd do such a 360 degrees turn

https://tenor.com/view/hello-guest-hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2-secret-neighbor-man-in-the-hat-gif-26598125

Could be considered a hot take, but I don't really want MITH to have much relevance or story behind him and would enjoy him being just an easter egg character throughout the media with not too much meaning too

honestly better than having him be considered dead or have his identity be MJ, euughh

[stuck tendon]

Oh cool i didn't know that

[haughty lava]

bro just skids on the floor to kidnap him, true comedy

[shell gull]

MITH is NOT Crowface he’s against The Cult.

[haughty lava]

Yeah he's The Ca- i mean The Man In The Hat

[ripe berry]

Missing Journalist moment

[shell gull]

Quentin’s Parallel Moment

[ripe berry]

(btw No FNaF Fans, Parallel doesn't mean separate timeline)

[haughty lava]

they had us in the first half

[granite portal]

how do yall like s2 of hn

so far

[silver vine]

Amazing

[shell gull]

lol

[tall citrus]

Isn’t the crow and guest the same person or thing

[umbral urchin]

The animation is amazing a masterpiece😁
The polt is also great

[unkempt sleet]

Not happy with some decisions, but overall its really good

[dry patio]

The only thing i dont like about s2 is the spoilers we get...

[silver vine]

What decisions are you unhappy with

[unkempt sleet]

Primarily, Cultist's designs being Crowface's

Or even if their main costumes are not that, and they're just dressing up as Guest for some reason, i just dont like the Crowface's we saw throughout the season not being the Guest himself

[stuck tendon]

Fair

Guest having the same design as crowface Will Just confuse the viewer

So Is hello neighbor VR canon

?

[safe charm]

Yes

It should be at least

And according to devs it is

[stuck tendon]

Ok so hello neighbor act 1 Is retold in the show right?

[safe charm]

Yeah

For now if I were you

Until everything gets explained

Treat games as true true canon

Because otherwise your going to go insane trying to fit everything together

[unkempt sleet]

in the show they adapted the story into more of a show instead of a game, so like yea

[stuck tendon]

In hello neighbor vr

We help Nicky escape

So that means that hello neighbor VR was episode 5-6 but the guest didn't appear

[ripe berry]

crowface isn't the guest

[stiff spire]

yeah

[shell gull]

I don’t like that either, I hope that at least in HN2 they still keep the Normal Cultist Design, but if that’s really how it is in AS it feels out of place.

[daring sandal]

How is that?

[ripe berry]

Crowface is just the cultists in general or smth idk

[crude dew]

did the kids make up this crowface name?

[ripe berry]

yes

[shell gull]

If they are the Cultist Alex confirmed they are called FPs.

Which doesn’t make much sense to me knowing the Origin of the Name but it’s better than “Ravens”

[crude dew]

they dont even protect anything smh my head

they actually cut out the forest cuz they want some factory or idk

[shell gull]

Well no, in the Books Forest Protectors were the Name The Cult gave since people had apparently spotted Large Crow People (Was actually The Cultist) and then gave them that Name since they only were spotted in The Forest of RB.

[unkempt sleet]

Forest Protectors is the Myth (The Myth that says There's Crow People protecting the Forest) that got created around the cultists

[safe charm]

For some reason guest just is non existent in Aaron trilogy

I know that he wasn’t created yet but in the lore

It kinda doesn’t make sense why he was never mentioned nor appeared now that he does exist in the lore

[silver vine]

Technically Crowface is in Aaron trilogy

[safe charm]

Not guest

Though

[unkempt sleet]

Well he is talking about Guest

Not Crowface

[silver vine]

Just pointing it out

The way they're handling crowface and cult in season 2 really reminds me of Aaron trilogy

Back when books 4 and 5 released, we had no idea if guest and forest protectors were the same

Since HGP was discovered around the time bad blood released

[safe charm]

Wait so guest did exist around

Aaron trilogy times?

[silver vine]

Yes

[silver vine]

And now it's again the same case

We have no idea if crowface is the guest or cultists

[short acorn]

HALLO

[cerulean knot]

I have an idea!

What if mya's doll had a coin in it?

i mean its the last thing she had before she died it fell to the ground just like her

[quiet meadow]

Maybe🧀

[crude dew]

oh god no. Nonono. Dont touch the base lore stuff. No. NO

[crude dew]

omg soon we should specify, which media are we talking about, because there was no guest at all at the aaron trilogy iirc. It was just cosplaying people.

[stuck tendon]

Sorry

Are the graphic novels directly tied to the books

Also Is the Raven brooks disaster Guest the Canon version?

[potent harness]

it's a bit of a grey area there
but I'd consider them as tie-in books

[stuck tendon]

So like are his clothes his skin actually?

Also he can go through walls

I loved that version

So what does tie in books mean

I might sound stupid but i have no idea

[stuck tendon]

So to bring connection with the books or the games?

[potent harness]

yeah pretty much

Kinda like how SN is sorta a 'tie in' game to HN
as the events of SN take place around Acts 1 and 2

[stuck tendon]

Ok

[potent harness]

We know that Bosco Bay takes place around 1984
so that would be before the rest of the books

[stuck tendon]

Isnt bosco bay in germany

Where they had to leave for the incident

Oh no

That was the Fernwe Welt

[potent harness]

lol

[stuck tendon]

It could very much be canon because Aaron mentioned bosco bay and the proof of the bosco bay incident remained a secret

[potent harness]

It's kinda hard placing Raven Brooks Disaster in the books timeline
since I don't think it's been confirmed when exactly it takes place

But we do know they have smart phones tho

[shell gull]

It takes place after Old HN2 and Before Act 3.

[manic dirge]

Probably mid 2000s

[shell gull]

Anywhere below 2015 Most likely

[silver vine]

Do we even know what was "Old HN2"

[haughty lava]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-guest-ike-gershowitz-hgp-hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2-gif-26353799

[shell gull]

A bit yeah, Quentin is Norman Darby stuck in Time Loop, Aaron is gone (Fake Aaron in the Attic) some other stuff too I just don’t remember them rn.

[muted moon]

while there was definitely some ideas for what hn2 could of been, i dont think there ever was a "old hn2" story

quentin being sent back in time wouldnt make for good gameplay, or a good ending for people who dont know much about hn

aaron being gone was probably just made for the beta

but the aaron thing and norman darby were probably ideas at some point for the story

i just dont think a proper story was ever really made

[shell gull]

Nikita confirms most of it with Old Tweets that it was supposed to be the Original Plot, how else would HN2 had supposedly “Connect” with RD, it was definitely at some point the Story before things were getting changed.

[digital basalt]

Why does Crowface make the Guest sounds?

[silver vine]

And, how do we know this

[crude dew]

nah they literally pulled a grunkle stan and kept escaping from country to country, because they were chased down by the local police, which is kinda...does the police not have bigger crimes to deal with, than failed rides, which even irl, aren't to be blamed on ONE person?! oh lord

[crude dew]

yes
if you mean alphas

wait guys
what
in alpha 1, Quentin literally investigates the guest phenomenon and where Peterson went (he is found)
in alpha 1.5 Quentin investigates 3 missing kids
that was the plot
and possibly in alpha 2, they started implementing this "take evidence photos and explore the open world" which they ended up scrapping

[ivory tapir]

prolly more near 2010s

[ivory tapir]

they could add the camera feature back

[crude dew]

absolutely. I liked running around and take photos randomly

[ripe berry]

the before Act 3 bit is unconfirmed
And it still likely is after HN2 because no old/new lore exists

Before Act 3 is LIKELY but not confirmed

technology is "different" in the HN Universe then reality so the phones aren't a reliable way to measure what point in time something is set in

and the only thing actually pinning GN2 to before Act 3 is a statement in the GUIDEBOOK that could easily be wrong

it's simply before Reset Day

[left dew]

I have a question

Are the guest and the crowface the same person?

[wicked heath]

Yes

[left dew]

Ok

[wicked heath]

The guest comes with many names. The former, the Raven Man, the Crow, Crowface

The Visitor

[left dew]

Ok ty

[calm sentinel]

No crow face isn’t actually the guest. Crow face are cultists in a costume.

[left dew]

The crow face in the as is a cultist?

[calm sentinel]

Yeah. Guest hasn’t appeared yet in AS.

[left dew]

Ok

[wicked heath]

…

excuse me wha

[ripe berry]

yeah uh

leading theory atm

crowface attacks Ivan and Maritza at the same time

thus Crowface is multiple people

also the Crowface name is referencing Ghostface from Scream

who is a character known for being multiple characters in costumes all playing the part making it seem like they can teleport

[calm sentinel]

Also Alex kind of confirmed crow face and guest are separate

[crude dew]

so its just all the cultists, having the same body in the suit

[snow mauve]

Duhhh

[shell gull]

Fair but it makes the most sense.

[haughty lava]

freeze zane is lying, they are in fact different as stated by hints from tweets

[spark tulip]

except this COULD actually be him

and the cloak already shares some of the same shred marks as the HN2 cloak

(not to mention this guy has way bigger claws, is just bigger in general, has a curved beak, and has a different hood)

[shell gull]

The claws are noticeably different others have more generic hands.

[spark tulip]

yeah

[left dew]

Ok 👍

[unkempt sleet]

Erm, do you remember the crow at the end of season 2 ep 1

[hallow bronze]

Note that he said "WHAT" is the guest, implying once again that he isnt human

[hallow bronze]

Yeah thats my theory, but Im prolly not the 1st one to come up with it (but I did come up with it)

[hallow bronze]

Bro-

Nicky is a full grown adult in act 3

Ofc its before act 3

[ripe berry]

Graphic Novel 2, the Raven Brooks Disaster

it has literally no one we recognize from anywhere else other then the Guest and Mr. Peterson

thus we can't use the age of characters that don't even appear in the book to determine it's placement

[stuck tendon]

Could it be that from Raven brooks disaster to reset day Theo was constantly possesed by the guest

[stuck tendon]

I believe it's the Guest,like if they removed the secret neighbor's out line It means a dude became a 7 ft tall crow

That seems not possible

[muted moon]

i think the "how did they know where we would all be?" line was about what happened in ep4 (s2)

and wasnt the original ep4 title "secret neighbor?"

[unkempt sleet]

im pretty sure secret neighbor is a different episode

[silver vine]

Secret Neighbor is the penultimate episode of the season

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor is episode 6

[midnight totem]

i usually get the crowbar instead

[tribal talon]

yeah, its easier, but by me, prealpha man never found out there was a crowbar, mabye

[midnight totem]

well all the time acctully

[tribal talon]

me too

[midnight totem]

in the left side of the house in the closet in the back

[tribal talon]

i know its there

[midnight totem]

oh

ok

[tribal talon]

Thats lore, ZMTTZ

[midnight totem]

obvs thats why u posted in #lore-discussion

[tribal talon]

yeaä

Mabye i will do Alpha 1, or never

Or Alpha 2 is easier

im gonna make that

I did Alpha 2

[midnight totem]

nice

do alpha 3

[willow depot]

they should've given Crowface a different beak at least

Guest's beak is basically his trademark, it's not the best idea to give it to another character (with the beak being the only thing of them that you can see at all) and go "oh yeah, different people"

Especially how both of them now have the cloak too

[snow mauve]

Well as far as we know they seem to praise the guest a lot according to HN2

Which i guess makes sense why they dress like him similarly

[willow depot]

yeahh but still that could be achieved without making them THIS similar

[snow mauve]

The guest's outfit is likely different if we do ever get to see him

[willow depot]

I mean take the mayor cult room costumes for example

[snow mauve]

Which we still haven't seen him yet

Unless he's one of them..

[snow mauve]

Yeah they were different

But what if the costumes from hn2 weren't remade yet in AS

[worn epoch]

Who is secret neighbor ?

[snow mauve]

Anyone

[wicked heath]

It’s you

You’re the secret neighbor

[snow mauve]

Correct

[stuck tendon]

Do you think the secret neighbor screenshot was the guest

Like a normal dude doesn't Just become a 7ft crow

Also the break Is different he has way sharper nail and Is way bigger

[snow mauve]

Nope

[worn epoch]

Aaron is the secret neighbor

Everyone is secret neighbor !!!

[opal steeple]

maybe the true secret neighbor is the friends we made along the way

[silver vine]

The true Secret Neighbor is the TRAITOR we made along the way......

[spark tulip]

yyyyyuuuuuuupppppp.

[stuck tendon]

Lets go

[crude dew]

they literally look the exact same
watch people joining and thinking they are the same

[dry depot]

The hello neighbor AS is separate from the games right

[silver vine]

No

[dry depot]

Oh I thought it was lmao

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon!

somehow

[dry depot]

Maybe the canon is the friends we made along the way

[snow mauve]

TRUE

[stuck tendon]

No depkis

[stuck tendon]

Don't say that

It's the mayak

Everything Will make sense

[dry depot]

the mayak is the friends we made along the way?

[stuck tendon]

No

No friends

[dry depot]

the mayak is along the way?

[stuck tendon]

See

Now you understand

[dry depot]

WOAH

[stuck tendon]

Good job

[dry depot]

🤯

i see everything now

I can hear color

and see sound

[snow mauve]

I can smelll

[stuck tendon]

Good job

Is It because you have a beak and you don't have a nose

?

[dry depot]

hear me out

multiverse theory?

hello neighbor x spider-man?

[trail haven]

That episode was insane! I didn't know there are a lot of me

[cunning wave]

there is only one of you @trail haven multiple crowfaces tho

[trail haven]

If my face is a crow, technically, I'm crowface

[cunning wave]

true

[silver vine]

So

Trinity doesn't trust Nicky now

[midnight totem]

Guys how to upload mod in steam workshop

[brittle olive]

Ok who wanna bet guest and forest protectors we're retconned and replaced with the crowface creatures?

[cunning wave]

in hello modkit whatever mod you made on the top it should say somewhere upload to steam workshop

[dry patio]

Nah

[midnight totem]

i dont have it

[cunning wave]

dont have what?

[dry depot]

it's a good theory

[midnight totem]

the button

[cunning wave]

than idk sorry

[brittle olive]

Also episode 3 and 5 was good

But i feel like episode 5 couldve just been a part of episode 4

[dry depot]

mr peterson seems to always know more then he lets on

he's always deflecting trinitys questions

[stiff spire]

the neighbor was aggressive as hell in the episode (I really like this shot)

[wicked heath]

Have not watched it yet, but WHAT THE FU

[ripe berry]

all pages of the book we have thus far

[woeful moat]

the secret neighbor is aaron because aaron is also classified as a neighbor and he is secretly inside of nicky's body #solved

[woeful moat]

yup

that aaron

those who hello:

[shell gull]

Just watched the New Episode, Multiple Crowfaces confirmed, Mr. Murtaugh is dead, Ted apparently being the starter of everything.

[woeful moat]

reacted by someone who #doesntunderstand

if i went in-depth it would be too much for you to handle...

so for now i will gatekeep this theory

actually. i want you to know the theory #spillthebeans

#keepthebeans

[woeful moat]

aaron's soul is not currently in his body
its in nicky's body and fighting over for control
the guest is using aarons unused body as a vessel
nickys eyes being brown and constantly contradicting himself and changing decisions in episode 6 of s1
nickys eyes stay that way for all of s2 so far and first changed color during s1 ep6
mr peterson goes after aaron who breaks something in the house in season 1 but immediately comes back out asking where aaron is but nickys face is covered
in the latest episode he asks for nicky to come back and calls him his boy
the rescue squad was being guided out of the basement by nicky who was being told stuff by aaron
which is why he immediately decides not to go through a certain door after hes about to open it
cause then aarons like NOPE HES RIGHT THERE
nicky is in control at the start of season 2 but loses control by episode 3 with his breakdown because he sees the thing and then immediately starts threatening the kids
#solved

^ heres the beans

[dry depot]

although it seems like a well formed theory it also seems like a stretch ngl

[muted moon]

neither do i

[muted moon]

"it would be wild if the whole show was just the origin story of the guest"

neighbor is guest, and somehow accidentally started the crowface cult ig

idk

[muted moon]

maybe?

it sounds more like the guest is some sort of leader

and the crowfaces work for him or smth

i dont think ted is the guest

[versed yacht]

I think rn where the story is going is that the cult is their own thing and the guest is a byproduct of their cult shenanigans

[muted moon]

yeah

im pretty sure this crowface is gerda

one is obviously the principal

[shell gull]

Crackpot Theory

[shell gull]

Hmm

Potentially but I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic

[shell gull]

Yup

[muted moon]

no, just trying to think of something that could fit

maybe the neighbor became the guest during whatever his plan was to stop the crowfaces?

[shell gull]

And also in the Forest the chase with Delroy at least one of them was Otto, makes sense that he would be notified Delroy was there and get in Costume to join in.

[muted moon]

how do we know?

[shell gull]

We don’t I’m just saying it seems logical that’s the case.

[muted moon]

oh ok

[shell gull]

Hm, I still see the Lead up of The Guest being the Cult Leader, also since Alex keeps referring to The Guest as a “What” it’s either he’s some sort of Symbolism possibly going back to The Cult worshiping him, Supernatural but based on stuff seems unlikely but if it was I could see the “Ancient” Thing fitting.

[shell gull]

I feel Ted saying “I started this” could be referring back to the Mayak Incident and whatever that beam was could’ve been what brought The Guest.

[potent harness]

Well yeah duh coz it's a bakery truck

[tawny badge]

Oh trueeee

[trail haven]

Enzo's crowface was Leslie or maritza. I think maritza is the traitor because she acted weird when she saw enzo, and she tried to blame delroy, it can't be nicky or finch, because it's too obvious, maritza is my main suspect.

[trail haven]

We all should respect murtaugh for sacrificing his life for ivan.

👏

[brittle olive]

Here's a theory (not mine btw): the cultists/forest protectors/crowfaces use the skull of ancient Raven-like creatures that used to roam raven brooks, which is the skull sketch in peterson's book, and only one of these ancient creatures is still alive. Guess who it is?

Honestly hope this theory is right because it's so cool

[safe charm]

I mean

From reset day

Old stone carvings of the guest

[brittle olive]

Im probably tripping here but isn't the books/novels decanonized? Or atleast inacurate to the new lore?

This is what i heard so idk if it's true

[safe charm]

They are Still canon

Nikita confirmed

Recently

[brittle olive]

Well that means the theory is most likely right

[muted elbow]

do you guys know why they were multiple crowface is it the people that are suspisious that help him?

[brittle olive]

I think we'll see the guest in the last episode and he's going to kill some of the cultists. I can sense It.

[brittle olive]

Crowfaces are the cultists

Forest protectors

The guest is Supernatural. Crowface are people

Or atleast that's what is being lead to

[muted elbow]

okey i see

thx

[brittle olive]

Np

Oh btw. Here's another cool theory (not mine): peterson kills one of the crowfaces in front of his cell to gain trust of trinity. "Don't worry, they're not listening" peterson said that from the recent teaser.

[safe charm]

He can turn

Into a crow

[potent harness]

That was Murtaugh's best moment of the whole show, PERIOD.

[brittle olive]

TRUE

[muted elbow]

yea seems logical

[muted elbow]

yea rip

[unkempt sleet]

mr apple cameo

[potent harness]

I beg someone to plz have an AU where Murtaugh's still alive 😭
It'll never be the same without him

[brittle olive]

Interesting

I think one of the crows we've seen is the guest

And he's watching the crew

He will probably kill the cultists since they're getting in his way

He seems interested on quentin for some reason. Wonder what he has planned

[unkempt sleet]

#lore-discussion message

[safe charm]

You think this could be a reference