lore-discussion

[stable junco]

Everything makes sense
Now we just wait for HN2 to have no loop reset and invalidate this timeline /jk

[ripe berry]

Ted acts slightly more quickly because events are still not occuring correctly but it's still the same general things for Act 1

and also the Guest is messing with stuff so he kinda can't just let things occur as they originally did

[stable junco]

Yeah
So this is what we're left with for now

[ripe berry]

yep

and then the Guidebook is just there

is it in-universe?

is it out of universe?

What timeloop is it in?

no one knows

[unkempt sleet]

is there any other theory other than Timeloops and Perspectives

[stable junco]

I might have to read it just to see how much important info and inconsistencies it has

[ripe berry]

not that I know

[stable junco]

I don't think so

[ripe berry]

here's one thing I've mentioned like twice
this one page.
I don't need to say anything more
just read this and try to figure out how this is possible to exist

[stable junco]

Yeah, I saw you mention it and read it

[ripe berry]

it's out of universe due to treating HNHS as a game

but it also has "Raven Brooks Public Library" at the top indicating it's in-universe

[stable junco]

It might work somewhat like MetaLogbook in fnaf(idk if you know this theory)

[ripe berry]

aka only way for this to be canon is if HN1 and HNHS are somehow in-universe games

[stable junco]

I'll def look into it

[ripe berry]

yeah I know about that

[stable junco]

Alright I gtg now, ping me or dm me if you want to discuss this stuff later

[ripe berry]

cya!

[shell gull]

Good point.

But that’s also creates a Paradox, Ted creating the Time Loop leads to him getting the Idea of the Time Loop.

[muted moon]

it was implied that luck devices going wrong could have bad consequences

maybe time related consequences?

[shell gull]

I always found it weird they never went more into that.

[shell gull]

Well there’s Puzzle Theory but I think that isn’t likely anymore.

[muted moon]

""Your grandparents taught me that messing with mysterious phenomena brings unpredictable consequences"
In layman's terms, something went wrong, likely with one of the devices."

[shell gull]

Huh, strange.

[muted moon]

yeah, it really sounds like something bad happened

well thats obvious

but something REALLY bad

[shell gull]

Luck getting out of control sounds like a really Bad Result

[ripe berry]

what was the message?

[ripe berry]

Ted's Parent's Notes
as in the notes from Roger/Adelle

[stiff spire]

what if they were sent to some kind of alternate reality idk

[shell gull]

Ah my bad, But still the Paradox is there.

[shell gull]

Referring to a Certain Part of the Human Body, not going in more detail.

[trail haven]

Yesterday I finished the raven brooks disaster, in book 7 it says there are no exits from raven brooks, but there it says there are two exits in one road. Can someone explain

?

[shell gull]

Obviously there are Exits, but all of them are blocked off.

[trail haven]

Oh

Thanks

[ripe berry]

ok then.

[cunning wave]

idk if this has anything to do with the lore but i was plaing hn1 act 2 and i got the part where you learn more about aaron and mya and i saw "dlub yaits" idk what that means i am not fluent in wayron croobian. does anyone know?

sorry if this does not have anything to do with the lore

[ripe berry]

it means Blood Ties
dlub yaits - blud taiys - blood ties

[cunning wave]

what does blood ties mean?

[ripe berry]

idk lol

[wicked heath]

Doubt it

[silver vine]

It means blood stays I think

[silver vine]

It's not blood ties

Or maybe

Idk

[ripe berry]

you know what
next chance we get in #basement
one of us ask Nikita what the Yaits in Dlub Yaits is since I've now seen 3 words thrown about

Waits
Ties
and now Stays

[pale urchin]

I don't want to get in a limbo but why did he get banned?

[thick rover]

Well, there's an eye on "yaits" part of the sign. So it probably means "sight"

[ripe berry]

Imma just say it: he was a alt of a already banned member

pretty sure he was at least

[white fjord]

What about Hello neighbour 3 ?

[silver vine]

What about hello Neighbor 4

[crude dew]

what about the HN fighting sim?

[pale urchin]

Oh

[pale urchin]

WHAT ABOUT HELLO RACING!!!

[white fjord]

Never heard about it...

[pale urchin]

Ok.

[stiff spire]

hello neighbor tycoon

[pale urchin]

Hello neighbor obby

[dry patio]

Hello neighbor simulator

[void scroll]

I’m confused. I’ve heard there is a theory that the neighbor offed himself??? Has anyone heard of this?

[unkempt sleet]

Never heard of that theory

And it's probably from like HN1 era, I dont think anyone would theorize that with the modern games and books we have

[ripe berry]

also just gonna... drop this here since this is vaguely related to smth from the old convo

[crude dew]

I recorded a lore video and realized that unfortunately you need to read the books to know some things in the game
I was hoping that HN won't fall into this mistake

we almost could avoid it, but the story which was going to add details was scrapped

[crude dew]

if you think about him ending his own life (I'm not familiar with gen alpha slang) then yes there was one.
it probably comes from HN alpha 4 where we see him crying on the windmill, then the scene cuts down to a crow on the ground.
Player did in fact plan such thing, but that cutscene got scrapped.

[silver vine]

HN didnt fall into that mistake

you can still understand the games even without reading the books

[muted moon]

probably why old hn2 got scrapped

it probably tied into reset day and gn2 too much

[silver vine]

maybe

the guest was getting to complicated as well

it would've been hard to explain him non verbally

[silver vine]

wdym

act 2 house is not in HNHS?

[muted moon]

???

[silver vine]

its not act 2 house

[muted moon]

it isnt

isnt it just the act 1 house

[silver vine]

it is

[stable junco]

I don't think this tells us much, just the real life explanation for the differences. And I guess the last sentence implies there is an in-universe explanation.

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

the Guest is def dying at the end of the Series

[unkempt sleet]

that doesnt mean he dies

it just means something important will happen

or will be revealed

[shell gull]

Doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll die, it probably means something big will happen with him.

[snow mauve]

You never know

Maybe we'll finally see that boi die

[viral dove]

Yeah that does make sense because when you play HN2 you see that the tunnel is blocked by a sign or tree if I remember correctpy

[spark tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[shell gull]

It could happen.

[silver vine]

Naw

The timeline doesn't make sense

Season 3 is hello engineer

The squad is still kids

We know that guest exists even after HN1 act 3/finale

[crude dew]

• neither of the games say that Theodore is designing amusement parks (I assume it was going to be in early HN2)
• neither of the games mention Lucy (I exclude SN events, because let's say you're just playing quick games and you have no idea about the events)
  suddenly this

[crude dew]

I will open the 1979 Tokaji on the day he does 🥳

[safe charm]

Or he kills TED and the all the kids and wins!!!

[ripe berry]

we dunno how AS connects to everything
if time loops is true the Guest can die in AS without affecting GN2/Book 7's Events

(oh snap! sorry for the ping!)

[silver vine]

HN2 has a photo of Theodore at the park and multiple blueprints of roller coasters.

HN2 also literally has a picture of Lucy at Theodore's house

[silent schooner]

rekt

[crude dew]

it is NOT TOLD.

[crude dew]

which is weird

[silver vine]

when has HN ever TOLD stuff

its always been non verbal

[silent schooner]

the neighbor told me he kidnapped aaron and put him in the basement to protect him personally wym

[silver vine]

Claims that there is no reference to Lucy

points out reference to Lucy

Claim its weird

[wise furnace]

Do the kids age

At any point

[pale urchin]

What?

[silver vine]

Reset day

The last book

[strange lance]

Ivan has his birthday in hello engineer so theres that

[silver vine]

What is his birthday

[cunning wave]

i thought that hello engineer was non-canon but season 3 of wtrb is about hello engineer? im confused

[unkempt sleet]

HE was never "non-canon"

Just because its a spin off doesnt make it non canon

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[cunning wave]

so Theodore does build a giant spider robot and the rescue squad builds cars or them going to the G.A.A.P is the canon part?

[snow mauve]

Duhhhh

He is the engineer after all

He can make shit

[unkempt sleet]

the cutscenes are the canon part

[cunning wave]

oh ok thx

[snow mauve]

That's why it's called HELLO "engineer"

Neighbor man is the engineer

[cunning wave]

ik i just thought it was weird that he builds a giant spider bot thing but i get it if the cutscenbes aree canon

[snow mauve]

The kids just are using their

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-imagination-rainbow-happy-gif-4596954

Just like they did in secret neighbor

[cunning wave]

yeah

so it is kinda like hn1

[snow mauve]

Hn1 is different

Most of it was a dream, one is a distorted memory, and one is real

[cunning wave]

ik i mean they both have a mixture of canon and non-canon stuff

[snow mauve]

Everything is canon!

[cunning wave]

not the parts nicky remembers wrong like his friends not helping him

[snow mauve]

I mean his friends actually didn't help him

[cunning wave]

the devs said that some parts in hn1 are canon and some are non-canon

and they did help him

[snow mauve]

Wel.. not exactly

[cunning wave]

get into the basement

[snow mauve]

They all got caught

Aaron was the one

[dry patio]

They dont act like his friends

[cunning wave]

in wtrb it shows you

[snow mauve]

That saved everyone

If you played

Or watched HNVR

[snow mauve]

Oh yeah that too

It's weirdly complicated

[cunning wave]

fr

[snow mauve]

Like in HNVR the kids got caught and didn't do anything

It was Aaron that saved everyone

While in WTRB everyone was able to escape without Aaron

[cunning wave]

yeah

and dont forget that aaron AND guest helped save nicky

[snow mauve]

Oh that might not be the case in WTRB

[tropic shore]

Random question. Is Nicky jewish?

[snow mauve]

it might be different

[cunning wave]

well his parents are but nicky beleives in aliens are the most powerfull

[snow mauve]

Holy aliens!

[snow mauve]

NO

[eager island]

sorry wrong message

[eager island]

yes

[snow mauve]

Wrong..

[tropic shore]

[ripe berry]

chat
thoughts on this teaser?

[unkempt sleet]

i smell Guesty things

Pictures of people that were Happy

But not anymore

[ripe berry]

so I'm guessing they'll confirm the Guest somehow caused the deaths of the Peterson Family Members?

I mean the Guest being involved with Mya's death is a somewhat common theory now (thanks HNHS Reveal Teaser, HNHS Alpha Stage 1 Ending, and HNHS Stage 5 for that one)

[unkempt sleet]

Luck

Baaaad Luck

[ripe berry]

also it makes thematical sense that the Guest kills/ruins the life of each Peterson Family Member one by one

which would imply the Guest is involved with Franklin's "Death"

[snow mauve]

Franklins masters Peterson

Idk

[ripe berry]

Franklin Masters Peterson?

bro that's Ted's middle name

[snow mauve]

SHUT

UP

I like calling em that

Franklin Masters Peterson goes hard

[shell gull]

It’s happening…

[cunning wave]

only 6 days left

[shell gull]

Sucks I won’t be able to watch it when it premiers and miss out on all the Lore Discussions

[cunning wave]

i wonder what they will do with guest because they were able to do the "hello neighbor" joke in the first episode but the guest is not technocally their guest so i dont think they will do that

[silver vine]

How many times should I say man

Nothing in HN1 is a dream

And even Nikita confirmed that couple weeks ago

[snow mauve]

Shhhhh it's okay tinycrow

Just take my word from it

[silver vine]

Bruh.....

Even after.....

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[spark tulip]

this is awesome

i missed the whole thing

[snow mauve]

everything is a dream silly bird..

[manic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-annoyed-stöhn-oh-no-oh-nein-gif-24943313

[vast apex]

I don't like this kind of theory, but the shadow falls suspiciously on Mya

Okay, forget it

[silver vine]

So,

According to you

Nikita is lying?

Cuz he just recently, only a couple weeks ago, told that act3/finale isn't a dream

[snow mauve]

YES!

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nets-nba-paul-pierce-gif-1451274719610649494

[viscid spruce]

QUENTIN IS COMING IN HELLO NEIGHBOR SHOW SEASON 2?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!!?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[snow mauve]

As a short cameo yes

[crude dew]

first of all, I'm heartbroken because of Elena;

[unkempt sleet]

Lore Discussion heh

[crude dew]

if you don't associate to Elena's art from this one, then I'm questioning some things.

[unkempt sleet]

i'm just saying Lore Discussion

Which is true so like

[manic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-light-mode-light-mode-discord-level-42-mike-lindup-gif-6996327276702832968

[trail haven]

But why does he look angry at trinity?

[snow mauve]

Because children are annoying

[trail haven]

Yea, but it shouldn't be the reason, maybe she as done something? Ruined something? Just asked him a lot of time if she can join him or told him she knows something and then he's like "eh you're only a kid you can't do it you stupid girl" and then she's like suprised and she says "you made a big mistake" and she runs away.

[snow mauve]

Quentin is just gonna leave and drive away

Such an awesome guy

[trail haven]

Makes sense

[silver vine]

I think they may hate each other

[crude dew]

at this point I hope Quentin just tells something negative to trinity angrily and leaves the scene
I want someone to finally roast the kids

[ornate grove]

true...

[worn ibex]

I for some reason would like this to happen

[shell gull]

I don’t doubt it, Though I think it might be Trinity questioning his Work.

[snow mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2quentin-gif-27204523

[cold gull]

I love this baby

Someone make him canon

[snow mauve]

damn depkis is so loved rn

[cold gull]

I was number one...

In case i'm not... I should be

[muted moon]

i wasnt looking at my screen and the flash scared the hell out of me lmao

[cold gull]

He's got the silly sindrome (so me)

[snow mauve]

good..

[viscid spruce]

Is that the trailer quentin?

[muted moon]

yes

[shell gull]

Oop

[muted moon]

accidentally makes fun of alpha 2

[shell gull]

No I sent the uncensored version

Of the language

Nevermind

[muted moon]

hasnt the uncensored video been sent multiple times

[shell gull]

Quentony Dorman

[shell gull]

True

[crude dew]

Ikequenorman Darshowitz

[cunning wave]

probably

[crude dew]

full pic

[shell gull]

Oh god no

[crude dew]

Quentin went through more character changes than nicky
crazy

[cerulean knot]

DepSpin

[cerulean knot]

Deppee

[wide cloud]

What are you talking about, he looks exactly the same as he did in hello neighbor 2

[cerulean knot]

He looks the exact same

[ripe berry]

I don't think she means character design

[ripe berry]

but I'm not sure on that lol

[crude dew]

I meant HGP -> current era

[cunning wave]

is nicky's house in front of theo's house because in the show and in hn2 and in snr trinitys house is infront of theos house but in hide and seek and sn nickys house is infront of theos house. so which is it?

and hn1

[ripe berry]

in HN1 Two houses are in-front of Ted's House

Both the house in the spot that Trinity's House is in AS and Nicky's House are laid out in a way that a part of Ted's Property is a "neighbor" to their property

[cunning wave]

so who is theos front door neighbor?

[ripe berry]

Nicky's the Front Door Neighbor

but both are "Neighbors"

[cunning wave]

oh ok thx

[crude dew]

originally, Nicky's house was on the opposite side. but it was modified later.

[muted moon]

in reset day, theres 2 "earthquake"s, both seemingly being near where the park and tunnels are. first one is in the prologue, second happens when the police are at maritzas house. in the tunnels, is a luck device (not mentioned in reset day). is the guest somehow using fake earthquakes to try and get the luck device from the collapsed tunnels?

[unkempt sleet]

tbh i always thought the jevel chip things that the characters have so that they dont get resetted in Reset Day were smashed up pieces of the jevel from a luck device

[muted moon]

some are different colours though

like red and purple

wait

could different luck devices have different colours?

we only know that one of them is green

[unkempt sleet]

i dont recall any colors being mentioned in the books tbh

and the illustrations are black and white obviously

[muted moon]

iirc one of them was described as being green

[unkempt sleet]

And the one from the AS pilot is green so that would make sense

but are they just green

[muted moon]

i dont have the aaron trilogy books anymore (had to return to library) so i cant check them anymore

[ripe berry]

the what chip things?

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-bounce-bouncing-jump-gif-27487642

[unkempt sleet]

oops

was it jewel

[ripe berry]

yeah that's the correct spelling, it's just your spelling sounds a lot like the Deltarune Character

[muted moon]

i noticed it too but didnt mention it

ok i now need to make a jevil jewel

[muted moon]

amazing

[muted moon]

is that better?

idk

doesnt matter

[unkempt sleet]

Theres some serious tomfoolery going around with the Guest lore and its not even about AS

[silver vine]

Wdym

[safe charm]

That combined with what Nikita Said

And Alex keep saying WHO not what the guest is

Adam was told the identity of the guest btw

[silver vine]

We know that guest used to be the neighbor

We have photos and videos

[unkempt sleet]

Okay but the Nikita quote Adam is replying to says that "Guest was never supernatural"

which means, not in the past, not now

oops wait

okay fixed something

[stiff spire]

the guest is a mysterious birb

[snow mauve]

A non supernatural creature to be exact 🧐

[stiff spire]

yup

[cunning wave]

is the guest wearing the cape like thing in hn2 patch 9 important because in hn2 he wears it but in snr he does not does he just occasionaly take it off?

[cedar merlin]

Reminder: You can edit the messages you send

[narrow jacinth]

I guess the cape thing is just a redesign.

[cunning wave]

probably

[ripe berry]

btw just gonna add

Adam was told the Guest's Identity part-way through GN2 being written

(at the earliest)

Adam joined tB in September 2020

AMA where it was confirmed GN2's script is finished was in October 2020 iirc

HN2A1 was in July 2020

[cunning wave]

if mayor tavish is the mayor from hn2 does that mean since mayor tavish was arrested at the end of puzzle master (i think) does that mean that quentin was in puzzle master time so that means hn2 is durring puzzle master times.

[narrow jacinth]

That doesn't make sense because Aron in HN2 is kidnapped by his father and also Diane and Mya are nowhere to be found, indicating that they are no longer alive, most likely the 2 mayors are different characters, but apparently the one HN2 is a protector of the forest and I say this because of the masks and suits that were in his mansion or they could also be things that belonged to Tavish when he was still mayor, although that would only apply if he lived in that mansion.

[muted moon]

that means now as well

was never means always

always has been

[muted moon]

this is just cope

[unkempt sleet]

Yea this all is cope

definitely not confusion and inconsistency

[muted moon]

isnt this scene supposed to be like the neighbor fighting the guest persona thing in his head?

its not the guest possessing him

[unkempt sleet]

No?

does he change clothes in water, im sorry

[muted moon]

why couldnt he

[unkempt sleet]

Why would he?

also how does Regina see Ted's Guest Persona in her dream after she knocks herself out

[muted moon]

we literally saw him a few panels before this in the full guest costume underwater

[unkempt sleet]

Also whats with the crow saying Pris's name

[muted moon]

when you were young and scared did you ever hear normal things as weird noises?

like at night?

[unkempt sleet]

isnt this just cope

[muted moon]

ravenman is a myth, its implied quite a lot of people know about it

[ripe berry]

GN2 was written around the time Adam was told the Guest's Identity

[unkempt sleet]

Pris doesnt know about Guest at this point

Regina too

[ripe berry]

thus GN2 MUST fit with the "Guest was never supernatural" statement

How it fits I'm not sure

[muted moon]

regina knows the name ravenman without being told it in gn2

[ripe berry]

BUT it has to due to logic

[muted moon]

so she has to know about the myth

[unkempt sleet]

Okay but changing all these into non supernatural explanations, feels like it's just butchering the storytelling of the GN

[muted moon]

so yeah this point is debunked

[ripe berry]

Adam joined tinyBuild in September 2020
according to a AMA on Reddit, GN2 was finished being written in October 2020

[unkempt sleet]

Like Regina's dream? Pointless in this scenario

[ripe berry]

but it's also what has to occur due to the timing of everything

[ripe berry]

*GN2, not GN1

[ripe berry]

Since when have dreams ever been normal in HN?

it can still have meaning without the Guest actually being there

[unkempt sleet]

Never pointless though

[muted moon]

smoke: is literally just smoke, not that weird
actual crowman: just a better suit
transformation: again, is a suit
resetting time: is implied to require crystals, so probably uses some sort of machinery

[unkempt sleet]

Reset Day Guest is NOT a suit

[muted moon]

cawing like an actual crow was done by norman darby

[muted moon]

why not?

[ripe berry]

can't verify that
and this is the one time I'd say Perspective applies

Piper imagined people in a Crow Costume elsewhere in the book

[unkempt sleet]

Dude we arent talking about all canon timeline theories

[ripe berry]

I'm saying it applies regardless of the all canon timeline theories

[unkempt sleet]

Guest looks like Ted, and then Guest again in blink of an eye

[muted moon]

he can control crows: the ravens could too, using the luck devices
he can control luck: he doesnt actually control it, he just has the luck coins

[unkempt sleet]

Let me get the page

[unkempt sleet]

Since when the hell did Ravens control crows

[muted moon]

couldnt it be the moustache poking through the sides of the beak

[muted moon]

the luck rituals

[unkempt sleet]

Crows always just went crazy due to the storms

[muted moon]

yes

[unkempt sleet]

they didnt control them

[muted moon]

it affected them though

[ripe berry]

Piper only sees a Moustache
not Theodore's entire face

[unkempt sleet]

Okay but it doesnt count as controlling them

[muted moon]

it is to some degree

[unkempt sleet]

Like how he does it in AS

[muted moon]

also how do we know they are being controlled in AS

[ripe berry]

BUT in most instances they are circling a location

[unkempt sleet]

This does not sound like typical raven behaviour??

[ripe berry]

in AS Pilot the Guest sure as hell wasn't involved (non-canon but it still applies)

[unkempt sleet]

Bro makes crows encircle him and then attack the kids

[muted moon]

all this can be explained by dream world

[ripe berry]

I don't know what was going on with the AS Pilot Crows (which are now non-canon) but they still acted weird

[ripe berry]

plus even though AS Pilot is no longer canon

the thing is

it USED TO BE

thus anything shown in AS Pilot can technically have happened in the canon timeline(s)

[unkempt sleet]

Got the page

Tell me this is a costume, Tell it

[ripe berry]

so using the Crows in AS Pilot circling Ted's House without the Guest is a valid point

[ripe berry]

the Crows were acting up due to Ted's Luck Device like in the Aaron Trilogy

[muted moon]

all she can see is the shadow at this point

[ripe berry]

and what do they do in AS Pilot?

[muted moon]

the moustache could be poking through the sides of the beak

[unkempt sleet]

The beak goes and moustache comes in the blink of an eye

[ripe berry]

They circle around the location of the Luck Device

[unkempt sleet]

Then "Another step forward beak returns"

[ripe berry]

near EXACTLY like what we see in HN2

[muted moon]

no, she closes her eyes, opens them (not a blink), and the moustache appears. the guest steps forward and it dissapears

[ripe berry]

thus those who can use Luck Crystals can make Crows circle people's houses

as again, even if AS Pilot is non-canon, it's canon-adjacent, meaning anything that occurs in AS Pilot could've occured in the canon

[muted moon]

she didnt blink, if she did it would say so

actually no

it doesnt say anything about how long it took to happen

[ripe berry]

yeah because she focused in on the moustache under the beak, then when he moved she lost focus and couldn't see it anymore

[unkempt sleet]

And this famous page too

"it looks more man than bird now"

[muted moon]

she puts her hands over her eyes for a while, takes them away, it gets a moustache, she shuts them, and when she opens them, the guest is gone

[ripe berry]

notably both times there is a gap of time for Ted to have done soemthing

or the Guest

or whatever

the Guest takes off the beak while she rubs her eyes

then she closes her eyes and when she opens them all she can see is a flash of white

[unkempt sleet]

Why would he take his mask off in the middle of the street?? Just for a second

[ripe berry]

thus we have no clue what even happened there

[unkempt sleet]

i have no idea why y'all trying to convince that Guest is just a costume in his both GN2 and Reset Day appearances
i dont know what Nikita means, and i dont think he's lying or whatever. But seriously, these two books are not written like that in mind

[muted moon]

yes they were

gn2 has been misinterpreted as ted being possessed way too much

[ripe berry]

then Adam was lied to

[muted moon]

which obviously didnt happen

[unkempt sleet]

your points were GN2 was just "So kids know about the legend, so they hallucinate and dream"

other than the water

[muted moon]

regina does, pris doesnt

[ripe berry]

it's either Adam was lied to or GN2 is as is being claimed here

[muted moon]

pris doesnt have a dream

[unkempt sleet]

Pris hears her name through a goddamn Crow

[muted moon]

regina hits her head, and begins dreaming about something scary at a scary time

[ripe berry]

Kids hear shit that isn't there all the time

[ripe berry]

only one can be true

[unkempt sleet]

Thats not
Thats not something that can be an evidence Mike

[muted moon]

yes it is

[unkempt sleet]

Writers dont add stuff like this for no reason because "Hey it's a kid, everything they see doesnt mean its real"

[muted moon]

sometimes they add things for no reason

also, crows can be taught to speak

[ripe berry]

again
I dunno if what we're arguing is correct
all I know is GN2 doesn't have anything supernatural with the Guest
Adam's statement proves as such

[muted moon]

so perhaps it could be a pet crow sent with the intent to scare someone?

[unkempt sleet]

Reason??

[ripe berry]

how the hell that works Idk
all I know is it has to be true

either that or they lied to Adam about the Guest

[muted moon]

and nikita was lied to too

which i doubt

[ripe berry]

with Nikita we have enough leeway to say he doesn't mean anything past HG

with Adam he specifically has to be talking up to the point GN2 was being written at bare mininum

[muted moon]

was never basically means always though

[ripe berry]

only in some contexts

[muted moon]

its likely what is meant here

[ripe berry]

you can't prove that though, so people argued otherwise

[ripe berry]

thus we have to make the statement at bare mininum apply to GN2

[muted moon]

and probably reset day

[ripe berry]

yeah

HN2, AS, and HNVR are technically outside of Nikita and Adam's statements

but Reset Day and GN2 are 100% contained within the statements

[muted moon]

although i am 99% sure it applies to those too

[narrow jacinth]

The Guest should never have been created, the participation he had in HN2 the day it premiered was only for a micro second and all this character does is confuse people with the lore, without a doubt the worst character in HN.

[unkempt sleet]

Thats your opinion

[ripe berry]

it is possible that the Guest has access to things that allow it to behave supernaturally BUT the Guest itself isn't supernatural
or Nikita/Adam just have a different definition of Supernatural then most

[cunning wave]

are you meaning to say HN2?

[ripe berry]

GN2 is Graphic Novel 2

aka The Raven Brooks Disaster

it's easy to get them confused but they are two different things

[narrow jacinth]

Although I think I'm exaggerating when I say he's the worst HN character, I still think he would have been better if The Guest hadn't been created.

I think it would have been better if HG hadn't been canceled and The Guest didn't appear on HN2.

[muted moon]

hello guest became hn2

[narrow jacinth]

I meant that it would have been better if HG and HN2 were 2 different games and The Guest only appeared in HG, for me that would have been better.

[ripe berry]

all I'll say is the Guest is a nightmare for the lore

trying to balance everything is near impossible

GN2, Reset Day, Nikita/Adam's Statements, HE, HN2, HNVR, AS

it either doesn't make sense or feels super unsatisfying

or it's Two Guests my behated

ye

maybe idk

just a theory

all that's confirmed is everything official (minus Alphas, Betas, Demos, #nog-simming, and AS Pilot) is canon

and that there's no multiverse

yes

afk

[narrow jacinth]

Yes

You misread what he said.

minus Alphas, Betas, Demos

That's what he said

XD

Maybe yes, maybe not but I would like it to be that way.

Don't know.

I'm not sure.

I don't know but I suppose there is an explanation.

I think the same.

[cunning wave]

you know how in the hnas wtrb in ep6 the note reads lose this coin lose your life and in the trailer for season 2 trinity throws nicky in the basement for reasons i dont know but then she says "im running out of time" maybe she lost the coin and the guest is after her but idk

[silver vine]

But then he turned into a crow in GN2 as well tho

[silver vine]

A crow literally tells Ted that there's smth wrong with the circuit breaker and tells him to check it.

[tribal talon]

It's possible that Peterson was simply drugging the children throughout GN2, or the supernatural entity isn't the guest itself, but something that pretends to be the neighbor, who is the true guest. It's also possible that throughout Hello Guest we might have seen the neighbor become replaced by a "skin stealer" of sorts, and that would still mean that the guest itself is not supernatural. It also could mean that the basement scene is just his past strangling him, his bad memories forcing him to become evil again, but idk 🤷

[muted moon]

crackpot theory

[safe charm]

hnvr is pretty much yelling in your face guest is not a human in any way shape or form

But now apperantly he was never supernatural

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-cat-gif-17984166845494923336

[split oriole]

Didnt nikita just said that just the guest dimension or smth?

[cunning wave]

i think theo is protecting the kids by locking them in his basement because he says you are gonna wish you were still in my basement at least there you were safe so yeah and when he scares trinity i think that is so she stops getting involved with theo and does not get mixed up with the forest protecters

[snow mauve]

He enjoys kidnapping

Gotta keep everything a secret and whoever witnessed it, then they go inside the basement and rot

[cunning wave]

well theo says that nicky was safe in his basement i feel like he would not have said that to mean he is rotting

[willow depot]

not really

he's probably just manipulating Nicky into regretting escaping

in the end Nicky was NOT in fact safe

his eyes are bloodshot or something and he's mentally scarred

[snow mauve]

He's sees the spoopy shadow mannnnnn

[snow mauve]

Clearly some manipulation he said to nicky so he doesn't leave

[cunning wave]

doesnt leave where?

[shell gull]

At its finest

[snow mauve]

The basement duhhhhh

[cunning wave]

the thing is theo is in jail when he said that what good would it do mr. peterson if nicky is in jail i maen when the cops come over they would clearly hear nicky screeaming and begging and if he does not the officers would check the basement anyway so it does theo no good

[snow mauve]

Uh what are you even talking about?

[cunning wave]

theo telling nicky that he was safe in his basement is not manipulation cause it would not help theodore in ANY way so i still agree with this "i think theo is protecting the kids by locking them in his basement because he says you are gonna wish you were still in my basement at least there you were safe so yeah and when he scares trinity i think that is so she stops getting involved with theo and does not get mixed up with the forest protecters"

[snow mauve]

I'm pretty sure he is not protecting the kids lmao

I think you're misunderstanding what he was trying to say there

[cunning wave]

wdym?

[snow mauve]

The way he's saying it is more of a threat to Nicky

Than a way to "help him out"

He's clearly just mocking him for the whole "basement is safe" thing

Because you know how Nicky acted

In the basement

Thinking he's safe to be in the basement

[cunning wave]

nicky knows that the basement is not safe because in the hnas saeson 2 trailer he wont even DARE to go to theos house and even so the basement to him is the worst UNLESS he knows that theo is sort of protecting him because he did not want to leave the basement but was scared of theo not the basement he even says that the basement is the safest in the house

[snow mauve]

At the time he slowly stopped acting off later on in season 2

[cunning wave]

wdym?

[snow mauve]

The hell you mean wdym?

Nicky stopped going insane is what I'm trying to say

[cunning wave]

i guess that is true tho

[snow mauve]

Like in the trailer

[cunning wave]

yeah

[snow mauve]

He started to act a little normal

But still traumatized of course

[cunning wave]

since theo knows that the forest protecters are evil i think that he would wanna protect everybody but idk why he would.... but ig we wont know untill season 2 releases

[snow mauve]

I mean they're the reason why theo lost everything

They cursed him with bad luck

Mainly the guest

Heck the town is already been cursed because of the cultists (forest protectors)

It's because of the golden apple coins they've been handing out

[cunning wave]

yeah

[tame quartz]

listen the other lore masters already figured out how they will incorporate MAYAK into this season, as it will probably be related to the finale along with The Nest.

[cunning wave]

i thought that the MAYAK was just the sumeum?

[tame quartz]

Mayak is the weather station..

the sumeum is just the sumeum

[snow mauve]

bro what

[silver vine]

"other" lore masters?

[snow mauve]

hi yes im part of them

michaelhuff

mr apple

etc, etc

[silver vine]

They're not lore masters

They're lore experts

[snow mauve]

bro is jealous..

[silver vine]

Stop this nonsense

[snow mauve]

potato potato

[muted moon]

?????

[trail haven]

Lore discussion acts like hello neighbor (general), as always

[drifting pilot]

True Lmao

[trail haven]

Hey! Imposter!

[drifting pilot]

Nuh uh

[trail haven]

Yah uh

[drifting pilot]

Nuh uh

[cunning wave]

sorry i confused the MAYAK with the grey manor

[snow mauve]

Oh helll nah

[dry patio]

How??

[cunning wave]

idk i just confused them

[ripe berry]

Chat
I regretfully say FranklinGuest is false

past Rescue Squad appears to be investigating the Guest

i swear nothing with the Guest makes sense
the only lead theory to explain what he is seems to be false now that we have Ep. 7
so what is the Guest

[muted moon]

what if there are multiple guests

[shell gull]

Yo just got back and watched the 2 episodes, honestly seems pretty straightforward and everything we already knew, The Guest still seems to be supernatural, we see a Crow with Red Eyes watch them, also since I Vanished and the Animals clearly being controlled by him, G.A.C. (Golden Apple Coins) are just as we expected giving Bad Luck, I won’t to hear what you guys have been speculating?

[shell gull]

Seems to me he’s just as we previously believed Ancient Supernatural Entity.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

It's all a Cycle.

[muted moon]

guest and crowface both have their own identities

[ripe berry]

(this is a serious theory that's been made and not a joke btw)

[shell gull]

Huh…

[ripe berry]

Alex implied Crowface isn't the Guest

[muted moon]

didnt imply, just said

well kind of implied

but not really

[manic dirge]

So did S2 not show the guest?

[ripe berry]

I guess?

[narrow jacinth]

I have a theory that Crowface is not the series' version of The Guest and is actually someone impersonating him, making him a fake Guest.

[ripe berry]

semi-related fun fact: the Guest somehow isn't supernatural, we have 3 different people all confirming this

[wicked heath]

« Everything is canon »

Ffs, and they just say VR happened without anything supernatural? Have they played their own games?

[ripe berry]

HN Lore is broken

[tribal talon]

"the guest" is nicky, though, right?

[muted moon]

no

the guest is the guest

[tribal talon]

how would he be considered non-supernatural

[tribal talon]

yes BUT it's hinted at during Episode 2, when he's considered Peterson's "guest", and it would also make sense to this screenshot

[snow mauve]

out of anyone else you chose nicky?

[snow mauve]

i think you took that "peterson's guest" a little too seriously when that's definitely not what it's trying to say

[tribal talon]

||I think the cop was stealing the coins because it would "buy him more time" or something to that effect||

S2 ep2 spoiler

||Because like with Enzo's parents and the real estate lady. The coin is like some sort of token of death||

[snow mauve]

they're bad luck magic cursed coins pretty much

whenever someone owns them

the coin curses on the person's faith that has the coin

[snow mauve]

btw you dont have to spoiler tag anything

its fine to share spoilers here

[snow mauve]

Leslie took the coins because he's part of the cult and is doing the favor to share all the coins to everyone else in town so they can have their lives cursed and put into ruins

he knows theo took most of them away and tries to hide the coins away from the cultists

but fails anyway

[glacial whale]

So is it still the main belief that Ivan is the traitor? I’m starting to wonder if it’s Nicky as crazy as that sounds but after watching the episodes I’m wondering if he’ll “betray” them because he’s lost it or trying to protect them? I’m aware there something somewhere that said Ivan is the traitor but maybe they did that to throw us off or changed it cause people found out? I mean even in one of the community posts they made it to obvious that Ivan was the traitor but why would they do that? I haven’t kept up with the lore in a long while so I’m probably wrong.

[snow mauve]

alex has been acting a bit suspicous earlier today saying "why not ivan"

whenever we say anyone else being the traitor that isnt ivan

tho he could be gaslighting us like usual

[glacial whale]

Yea I can’t figure out if it’s serious or not

[snow mauve]

i sorta believe it might be trinity

[glacial whale]

It’s just too much pointing it on Ivan that I’m starting to not think it’s him

[snow mauve]

we used to believe that being the case

due to lack of attention hes gotten

throughout season 1

but also the way he acts sometimes is a bit off

he avoids literally anything and denies what the kids are saying

[glacial whale]

Yea I remember that was the main belief for who it was but now I’m just confused

[snow mauve]

i think of this because of this

not to mention if you think about it, she has been following peterson

tho she mightve betrayed the group by a different context

like she had no choice or a little "misunderstanding" thingy

or it could be delroy because he just randomly joined the group with no context

[glacial whale]

Was it her coin at the end of second episode or someone else?

[snow mauve]

what scene are you talking about

[glacial whale]

After explosion

Sorry not sure how to spoiler tag on phone if it’s needed

[snow mauve]

it seems like the coin just flew out of the house to what i believe

which maybe

the parents had the coin too which caused that

[glacial whale]

Well I guess we’ll see who dies

[snow mauve]

its not needed lol, they wouldve already made a AS spoiler chat

[snow mauve]

mr murtaugh

hes gonna get his head "split open"

the amount of foreshadowing this man has been getting..

[glacial whale]

I didn’t even think of that

[snow mauve]

yeah well

thats what it'll likely happen

and it probably has something to do with the guest

[glacial whale]

Those scenes will seem different rewatching if that the case

[snow mauve]

there was a teaser showing the guest with the knife

and ivan was there

then another teaser showing ivan covered in blood on his hair as if the blood splattered on him

in the same room the guest was with the knife

[glacial whale]

Sounds like quite the scene

[snow mauve]

yep

https://youtu.be/wIXWqDDNnLM?si=cMpcBXXfaHNPMk4r

which that is what i believe

will happen

after this scene

we'll probably get murtaugh's death scene

[glacial whale]

Who’s holding it at the end?

[snow mauve]

wym

[glacial whale]

The phone thing I mean

[snow mauve]

probably just a dramatic thingy

like uh no something is gonna happen and they cannot see!

creating the suspense ig

or maybe ivan just "accidentally" cut off his cam

[glacial whale]

I mean the end who’s holding the I guess it’s the phone? Trinity and Delroy are on the screen

[snow mauve]

ahhhhh

its trinity

i believe

because the background

matches

to where she is

[glacial whale]

Oh that actually would make sense

[shut flint]

||from what i can understand is theo's brother is the guest, trinity's "hallucination" moments are to scare her of the future and since that arron has escaped possibly he will get found by the guest and somthing will happen? idk or Quinten will report a sighting of aaron and then the police will take him into the station as he is running from his father and he is in a terrible state therefore he finds theo there and goes onto help the police interrogate him idk might be a good theory.||

[snow mauve]

who is crowface

hmmmmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmm

thinking thinking

[shut flint]

||theo's brother fell into hole then turned to purple then crow guy always lures around the like he lives there and somthing is connecting him to be apart of that weather place and circus from just a legend to and actual entity.||

[snow mauve]

well it's not fully confirmed yet

but eh

[shut flint]

well i think its a good theory

[snow mauve]

its a pretty common theory which is funny

franklin being the guest

[shut flint]

as next episode has Quinten in it so he is in the story as well

[snow mauve]

except its just a little short cameo

[shut flint]

ah thats his name

[snow mauve]

he wont be involved much

[shut flint]

quite strange though

[snow mauve]

and wont be important in the series

according to alex

[snow mauve]

thats one way of why we gotta play hn2 lol..

[shut flint]

from old to new games niki grows old then quinten the same? and Peterson looks similar to what he was and Aaron has like not aged at all and somehow not very skinny for being in a basement for years??? idk kinda funny

[snow mauve]

well hn2 takes place after nicky escaped

[shut flint]

its like act three/4 is meant to be after hn2

[snow mauve]

and BEFORE

act 3

[shut flint]

righttt

[snow mauve]

nicky is still young

[shut flint]

makes sence

[snow mauve]

around hn2

with aaron of course

[shut flint]

ye

i will say

[snow mauve]

hm?

[shut flint]

i so want a hn2 style of peterson in sn as the whole game has been revamped for hn2 except for the petersons

[snow mauve]

man..

[shut flint]

right mb

wrong channel .-.

i still am confused though

[snow mauve]

about what

[glacial whale]

Wait Ted’s brother’s name is Franklin?

[snow mauve]

yes

we've already knew that (the voice actor revealed his name on twitter a while ago)

his name was shown in the credits in ep1 too

[glacial whale]

I guess I forgot that or didn’t pay enough attention

[shut flint]

about why it wasn't updated

[snow mauve]

well that's likely cuz the team that made SN are now working on something else on a different project

[shut flint]

damn thats an oof

[snow mauve]

so yeah SN is pretty much dead..

for now if they ever decide to update it again

hope the devs are doing well with their other project they're working on

[shut flint]

yeah i atleast hope that we get a style of crow similar to the one in the show though

[snow mauve]

HN2 model exists kinda similar to the show

[shut flint]

?

[snow mauve]

the guest wearing the cloak

i mean

in game

[shut flint]

no way?

leme know how to get pls :]

[snow mauve]

you never knew that?

[snow mauve]

ohhhhhhh

[shut flint]

nopity dopity

[snow mauve]

you meant

in game

for sn

right?

[shut flint]

ye

[snow mauve]

oh nvm

mb lmao

[shut flint]

damn

[snow mauve]

i misunderstood you there

shit

my bad on that one

[shut flint]

again big oof about this SURRRLEY thats gonna be finished right?

[snow mauve]

idk at this point lol

[shut flint]

oof

yeah

[muted moon]

that is true

[snow mauve]

hm?

[muted moon]

acts 3 and 4 are after hn2

[snow mauve]

um no lol

[muted moon]

yeah they are?

[snow mauve]

aaron still tiny

and nicky still young

after his adult trauma?

[muted moon]

im saying acts 3 and 4 are AFTER hn2

[snow mauve]

you mean BEFORE?

oh wait

lmao

god damn it

i keep twisting words

shittt

i def need to go to bed

[silver vine]

Didn't the coin fall out if her pocket

[snow mauve]

lemme rewatch it a sec

just checked and

there's no indication or anything shown

that the coin dropped out of her pocket

or it flew in the air

However if trinity's coin is still fresh and not turned old in the next episode

then that means it was a different coin

that just dropped out of nowhere

[silver vine]

What does the coin actually do

[snow mauve]

isnt it obvious?

[silver vine]

Like, you die if it turns grey?

[snow mauve]

it's bad luck

when someone owns it

the curse will spread

thatll affect anything disastrous

[silver vine]

It gives you bad luck if you own it?

[snow mauve]

whether it's damage property, death, or anything else

[snow mauve]

of course

[silver vine]

Then what does it mean when it turns grey

[snow mauve]

that's the whole point of its existence

[snow mauve]

the bad luck curse is already used

[silver vine]

So, it means that the finite amount of good luck has been used and from now bad luck will begin?

[snow mauve]

the whole point of the coins

is to spread curse

around the person that has it

once it's already used then it turns grey meaning that the curse has already been used which probably wont happen again, unless someone finds another fresh and not used coin

[silver vine]

So, after the coin turns grey, it won't give you bad luck?

[snow mauve]

yep

it means its finished using all the bad luck that it uses

as far as I'm understanding what the meaning of these coins are. seems pretty legit to me.

[silver vine]

Then what was the whole lose this coin lose your life

[snow mauve]

probably some threat to trinity

if she loses it

then the bad luck will cause her to die

which it sorta happened

on her diabetic incident

[silver vine]

When did she lose the coin

[snow mauve]

she didnt because she still has the coin in ep2

im assuming it's like some warning

or just something else that the coin chooses to do?

i dont know yet but thats what ive gathered so far

all we know is these coins are definitely meant to be like bad luck devices (kinda like the books version) but just coins that can be harmful to anyone that has it, which would explain the constant deaths and disasters we've been getting throughout season 1 and 2 (so far) when theres coins around it

[silver vine]

The devices on books give good luck when used

Coins are like the opposite

They give bad luck

[snow mauve]

that's why I said "kinda like the books version"

just clearly the opposite

[sick mica]

yo

[shell gull]

Find it weird Trinity dreamed about the Future and how the Coins work.

[silver vine]

The guest

[silver vine]

Same thing happens to Quing ting in HN2

It's cuz of guest

[ripe berry]

the Guest...

the one that isn't supernatural and has flesh + bones like the rest of us according to AlexN

[silver vine]

The one who can also turn into a crow

And vanish into thin air

[ripe berry]

the Guest makes no sense

because what they've been repeating doesn't align with what can be observed

[silver vine]

What I find really surprising is that his power set is almost the same in all media

[ripe berry]

me when they destroy any sense of logic to what the Guest is:

[willow depot]

Imagine if there are actually just several Guests with different power sets and they're all a part of the cult

[old glacier]

or there's just one Guest that has powers and the rest of the cultists just have limited use of said power

but hey the guest is not supernatural !!

[willow depot]

Speaking of the cult gotta love Ted's perspective of the HN2 ending

A guy in a crow outfit comes to his house, hits a man in the head and drags him by the legs away while Ted can only watch thanks to the crow thing crushing him

Well, assuming the cult member would wear the uniform

[willow depot]

I hope that's just bullcrap honestly, wouldn't want some reveal like "Ohhh it's actually devices and gizmos!!"

Already been through that with FNAF, didn't go really well

[old glacier]

luck devices already exist,,

[silver vine]

but they're now replaced by coins

[unkempt sleet]

tbh luck devices were about giving constant luck to one person
but the coins seem like one use bad lucks

[crude dew]

you got some taste here!
except the clown
clown is uh...clown

[tall citrus]

OHHH SO THATS WHOS ON THE PICTURE KISSING HIM

[snow mauve]

That's just Jesus Christ and theo

[tall citrus]

Oh I thought that was his brother

[snow mauve]

Well he was never a thing until now

Which he is sorta similar to that old painting of Jesus christ

[tall citrus]

But he died as a kid so no it’s not him

[crude dew]

obviously
it is a Jesus picture from prealpha, which was a WHOOOOOLE different storyline
someone felt the urge to fit it into the AS

[snow mauve]

Well duhhh

[tall citrus]

Mb I just started getting into the lore

[snow mauve]

You got some studying to do

[crude dew]

it has nothing to do with any brother
and not even Theodore, because the Neighbor was an entirely different person during that time, not the one you know today

[snow mauve]

you got a lot to catch up

[crude dew]

oh it's fine, feel free to ask if something is not clear

[tall citrus]

Huh how they look the same

[crude dew]

the devs did not change the models
so basically, there were multiple characters with different purposes in the plot, but with the same body
like, the player:
first he was a random dude
then he was the neighbor's son
and then he is a random dude again, from the opposite of the street (the current lore) - that's Nicky

and depending on the story, Neighbor had different roles and characteristics

I wish this was kinda underlined more in the present?
so people wouldn't just MINDLESSLY attack fanartists and such (speaking in general, about the wide web)

[tall citrus]

Oh

Wait do you have any videos that could catch me up?

[snow mauve]

NOPE

Most are just outdated and some have misinformation since they're using the god damn wiki (worst source info to get)..

[shell gull]

You know they could be trying to mislead us right? They know it’s obvious so they wanna throw us off possibly.

There’s no way The Guest isn’t Supernatural they LITERALLY point out how he’s Supernatural in the Show.

He can control Animals.

[unkempt sleet]

Alex i can understand, But i'm not sure if Nikita would do that

or Adam saying Nikita's correct

[spark tulip]

don't think Nikita wants any more trouble with tB

[shell gull]

Then again Nikita is also somewhat on track with that they are doing, he could also be doing the same thing, and he wouldn’t want to get in trouble giving away things that he shouldn’t.

[shell gull]

I mean come on they literally say
“Just poof?” “He vanished”

They point out the fact he disappears into nothing.

They even point out the fact the Ravens are acting weird like something controlling them.

And the whole “Who’s crowface” could also be a Mislead to reveal that he’s nobody.

It just doesn’t line up.

[tall citrus]

Doesn’t he also control luck?

With the coins

[snow mauve]

He can do anything!

[tall citrus]

Aaron??? Isn’t he dead?

[pale compass]

Yh he is

No wait

He isn’t

That’s mya

[tall citrus]

I thought Peterson killed him

[unkempt sleet]

why would Peterson kill his own kid

[tall citrus]

Where is this picture from?

[tall citrus]

Cause Aaron killed Mya

[unkempt sleet]

And Peterson locked Aaron in the basement

he didnt kill him

It's his last family member, why would he kill him smh

[crude dew]

in the works! I"ll link once it is done

[tall citrus]

Ok

[crude dew]

he cannot be supernatural if he literally does not exist though
that theory is still not closed out

[tall citrus]

How does he not exist

[crude dew]

the last time Neighbor killed anyone, was in HN alpha 1, so

[tall citrus]

He set trinitys house on fire

[tall citrus]

Oh

[crude dew]

omg where is Jacky, why aren't spoilers banned for at least a week 😭

yall literally spoil this -- AS I don't even want to watch a frame

[glad hornet]

He killed people in as I think

Idk I ain’t a lore person

[unkempt sleet]

He killed Lucy Yi with his rides

[glad hornet]

Yeah

[crude dew]

omg yeah he purposely wanted to kill a girl yeah
what a bloodthirsty man 😔

[glad hornet]

Doesn’t matter if it was accident

He still killed her

Because of his incompetence

[crude dew]

and don't forget that little ant which was in his kitchen...oh GOD
what a horrible day that was

[unkempt sleet]

and not the first time

[glad hornet]

Excuse me?

[crude dew]

and what did that flea do, I ask??? where is justice

[unkempt sleet]

his other rides before killed people too, but he didnt stop making them

[glad hornet]

There’s a very big standard between killing a bug, and killing a child

You cannot compare the two

[crude dew]

I kinda wish the mushroom theory was correct tho
Quentin just halucinates everything and the town is literally ABANDONED by that time

[glad hornet]

What

Quentin hallucinating everything would be a lame plot if you ask me

But idk

[shell gull]

Doesn’t work since multiple people have seen him, which would still make him Supernatural.

[tall citrus]

Why did that cat just turn into a human figure but still a cat

[shell gull]

It was a dream.

[tall citrus]

Oh

[crude dew]

well, you know that we cannot have nice things anymore, so

[worn epoch]

what is the apple coin ?

[snow mauve]

They're just some magic bad luck cursed thingys

If someone has it

Then the coin will curse of the person who has the coin

Whether it's destruction, death, or something else

Once it's already used, then the coin turns grey meaning the curse is done

[worn epoch]

So what's the point of having it?

[snow mauve]

To ruin people's lives

That's the whole point of it existing

And the whole town doesn't know about it

Which led to so many deaths and destructions

[worn epoch]

what would happen if we lost the coin ?

[snow mauve]

DEATH

So yeah

Dangerous magical cursed coins

[worn epoch]

either we die or something terrible happens to us?

[snow mauve]

Both

It can literally be anything

Like some people died from it, some have their property damaged, and some have to face physical pain with literally anything

[worn epoch]

ok thanks for that

[snow mauve]

The guest/crowface and one of the cultists members are responsible for handing out most of these dangerous coins

To cause destruction in town

Which that's what they enjoy doing

[old glacier]

Taking what you don't deserve but made It real

[snow mauve]

Books version luck devices

But it's the opposite

Instead of just giving you good luck it's reversed to bad luck

[old glacier]

I still believe luck devices Will be a thing still

[snow mauve]

Probably not anymore tbh

[old glacier]

Like as pilot had a luck device

[snow mauve]

Pilot isn't canon

[old glacier]

Yeah but still

[snow mauve]

And isn't following any media

I don't think so tbh

It seems like the coins just play as an important role now

Like hnvr has them

HN2 of course

And now AS

Literally any new hn media we get, it's mostly just the coins now

[old glacier]

Meh it's mostly because there has been nothing explaining cult and guest

Yet

[snow mauve]

We hardly get any luck devices mention anyway

[snow mauve]

Well from what we know, the cult are a different people now and their goals have been changed

As for the guest

It's still a mystery..

[old glacier]

Remind me how we know their goals changed

[snow mauve]

Shit not goals

Lmao

Mb

Their goals are still the same yes

Damn I forgot what I was trying to say..

[old glacier]

But instead of using luck devices they use unlucky coins now

[snow mauve]

Yep

[old glacier]

Then weather controlling makes no sense anymore¿

I don't see their vision

[snow mauve]

"the mayak will explain everything"

[old glacier]

Its a weather station,,,

[snow mauve]

"everything circles around the mayak"

Deadass I still don't get it

[snow mauve]

But it's special because..

You'll just have to wait and see!

[old glacier]

Because Frank Peterson died