lore-discussion

[ripe berry]

this is early Police Arrive Era

[silver vine]

Porkchops in main chat

This is not a drill

[trail haven]

Finally!!!

[steady nest]

Nikita said everything is canon

There is no old lore and new lore

When i said this

You all called me a madman

[snow mauve]

Fans are that insane to still believe that being the case..

[sudden garden]

Well technically there is old lore to a degree, it's just not considered canon, since they went with different ideas.

[steady nest]

Everything is canon

[sudden garden]

He did not mean old storylines that are clearly not being used anymore (HN2 Alphas as an example)

But there's old lore there that did exist to a degree

And I guess that lore is also canon if it's by itself too

[trail haven]

Did you understand what does "lelnehowa" means?

[unkempt sleet]

halloween

[trail haven]

I knew it!!!

[silver vine]

I feel like, since it was in croobian, HN2 will also release in halloween

[trail haven]

(The date, not what it means)

What?

Patch 10?

[snow mauve]

I told yall Otto is still cultist..

He was never an ex member..

YESSS

[trail haven]

How do you know?

[snow mauve]

Animated Series new clip

[trail haven]

Patch 10

[snow mauve]

The guy has the coins

Like other cultists have

[trail haven]

Oh...

[snow mauve]

He stuffed the bad luck coins in his stuffed animals

[trail haven]

Your right

[snow mauve]

To give the people

Bad luck

Once they buy one of his products

He knows what's he's doing

[trail haven]

Your absolutely right!

[snow mauve]

I always believed Otto would still be the cultist member

After hn2 released

But most people believe Otto is like some ex member

And I didn't believe in that theory

[crude dew]

quentin wrote a fanfic

can someone tell if we got a release date? I cant watch anything anywhere now

[unkempt sleet]

Halloween

[crude dew]

sadge

[ripe berry]

so uh
how do we reconcile:
HN1
HNHS
SN
HE
HNVR
HN2
HND
RBO
Books 1-7
GN1-2
Neighbor's Notebook (?)
and AS ALL being canon
no multiverse

pretty sure the Neighbor's Notebook falls under Nikita's Statement

[unkempt sleet]

Simple
We dont
Until we find or they show us a way that makes sensr

[ripe berry]

I'm just gonna start mixing details from everything and if someone asks how the different entries fit I point to Nikita's Statement and say "if he thinks they do, so do I"

rough order of everything:

Peterson's Stick Together Teaser
GN1
Book 4
Book 5
Book 6
HNHS Release Trailer
Book 1
HNHS
Book 2
AS Ep. 1
AS Ep. 2
AS Ep. 3
Book 3
AS Ep. 4
HN1 Act 1
HE
AS Ep. 5
Late Fees
SN Roblox
SN (back to saying only the most recent version of SN is Canon)
Back to School
HNVR
AS Ep. 6
AS Season 2 (?)
HN2
LayoutV2
HN2 Patch 9
RBO
AS Season 3 (?)
GN2
HN1 Nightmare Sequences
HN1 Act 2
HN1 Act 3
HN1 Act Finale
HND
Neighbor's Notebook
Book 7

[ripe berry]

ignoring the conflicting stuff this is the rough order of everything

we don't have a answer for the conflicing info yet

[ripe berry]

A part of me wants to stitch together everything with visuals as a rough guide
Like GN1, HNHS Release Trailer, HNHS, HND, AS, HN1, SN, HE, HNVR, GN2, HN2, RBO, etc.

[ripe berry]

but like
there's no way I could

[shell gull]

I love this Segment of HNVR so much, not only does it show how The Guest wants Ted, but it also uses the “Shadow Trick” showing how Ted and The Guest are one of the same (Yes I know I’m bringing up Manifestation but it’s still actually a thing).

[ripe berry]

hey uh

have you seen what Nikita said in the RBO Chat?

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the important thing I wanna call out is this:

Everything is canon

Games

Books

AS

(not alphas or betas or AS Pilot though)

possibly even the dreaded Neighbor's Notebook is canon

but it's not in the way most people think

it's not a multiverse, and some people (a minority of the community) were on the right track with how things align

[ripe berry]

what are your thoughts on the new info

[snow mauve]

I have no idea

[wise mulch]

I’ve discovered something mind blowing, the neighbor is Mr incredible

[silver vine]

No way man

[shell gull]

Wow, just wow, this says so much I need time to phrase my thoughts…

[muted moon]

finally, stupid gn2 possession theory can die

[muted moon]

perspectives

AS is trinitys perspective

books are aaron, nicky, and pipers perspectives

games are quentin and nickys perspectives

i dont know how else it could work

[shell gull]

1. The Guest never being Supernatural is both surprising but destroys so much of what we know, how is The Guest a FP monster in RD? unless it’s an “improved” Suit taking that in its likely Regina was indeed right that Ted actually is The Guest and he’s a Suit, which also takes in the fact that The Guest must’ve been a Mental Manifestation of Ted’s Insanity leading to a Second Personality, explaining The Guest fazing through walls, it was in Ted’s head, also explaining The Guest tugging with Ted over his mind after realizing Ted was gonna throw him out of his Head, this is focusing on the Books and Novels.

[shell gull]

2. Alex was actually telling the truth when he said Everything is Canon? This can mean many things and won’t ever be definitive unless confirmed the correct way it should be taken, it could be a Perspective thing like @muted moon said, or it could go back to that whole idea of everything being a Piece to the Main Story added in like Puzzle Pieces to one Huge Puzzle.

3. Nikita just going in depth on Nicky’s Self Therapy which is nice, don’t see much to talk about there.

[muted moon]

also, in reset day, most of the guests powers could easily just be misinterpretations of metaphors and similes

[shell gull]

4. Quentin and Beatrix actually knew each other and tried to interact in HG is very interesting.

[shell gull]

Yeah true.

[muted moon]

"It emerges slowly, like liquid oozing from a crevice"

[shell gull]

Yeah people were trying to push when it seems like just giving the Reader an idea of what’s going on.

[muted moon]

depending on the player you selected you got a different locker

[shell gull]

Clearly describing how he moves.

[silver vine]

Welcome to hell

[shell gull]

True true.

[shell gull]

lol

[muted moon]

i thought they might of been maybe working around the same time, but definitely not that they were going to in later chapters be sending notes or trying to communicate and stuff

[manic dirge]

lore

[muted moon]

did the same events happen to both quentin and beatrix?

and if thats the case, which ending was canon, or were they both canon?

why did the swear filter go off

[shell gull]

Weird this also confirms that they were working relatively at the same time just side by side, also explains why you were originally going to switch from both Characters.

[manic dirge]

you said as with 2 s

[shell gull]

I’m guessing it would be either one and it’s based on the Player

[shell gull]

I thought that was allowed.

[manic dirge]

Nope

[muted moon]

wass?

huh?

what even happened then

[shell gull]

Also omg I’ve always been thinking your Profile Picture was The Guest jumping on a Road, and I now just realized it’s a FNaF Plushie…

[manic dirge]

WHAT

[muted moon]

waht

wh

how

[manic dirge]

LOLLL

[muted moon]

how did you even see that

im struggling to see the guest and the road

[shell gull]

I feel stupid rn

I always imagined it was an Alpha 2 Background with The Guest.

[shell gull]

The Eyepatch and Eye is The Guest, Body is a Patch of Grass, Grey is the Road.

[muted moon]

blacklight foxy is the guest confirmed

[silver vine]

Guest was also supposed to be a representation of yellow press

That story is really interesting to me

Quentin dealing with yellow press

[shell gull]

Yo I just had the weirdest Perspective Feeling ever how have I been in this Server for so long and never realised.

[silver vine]

Just like how HN1 was about Nicky dealing with trauma

[shell gull]

Hmm.

[muted moon]

*guest world

not the guest

[shell gull]

So basically gaslighting himself.

Great.

It’s getting late fore me rn, gtg 👋

[muted moon]

well not guest world

either

guest world was quentin trying to avoid reality

so there was something else representing yellow press i guess

[silver vine]

Yeah

I'm playing church rn

That why can't type properl

HN2 church I mean

Just locked the door

[safe charm]

Yeah but like guest cant be Ted in hn2

Which is something hes implied to be in reset day

[silver vine]

In HN2 and AS, Ted and guest are clearly separate entities

[safe charm]

Yeah

[safe charm]

Also Nikita Said the Books are canon but not in the way we Think which is really intresting

[unkempt sleet]

Which GN2 explained by showing that Guest can either shapeshift or possess Theodore

[muted moon]

guest isnt supernatural...

[unkempt sleet]

You dont need to show it, I was there smh

I'm just sayin there'd be some insane stretchs you'd need to make to explain stuff like Reset Day

[muted moon]

guest in gn2 was just theodore

[muted moon]

"It emerges slowly, like liquid oozing from a crevice"

[unkempt sleet]

The time loop

[muted moon]

technology

it depends on if you consider advanced technology supernatural

[unkempt sleet]

technology that erases everyones in the towns memories of the last few days but doesnt erase the ones that have a crystal (or something like that, i dont remember what exactly it was) ?

[muted moon]

he sent four kids to a pocket dimension

[unkempt sleet]

That doesnt sound very scientific either

[muted moon]

he also probably at some point figured out how to give mayak storm powers

[unkempt sleet]

Yea... Nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural...

[steady nest]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-they-called-me-a-madman-infinity-war-madman-gif-13990981

[unkempt sleet]

heh its funny

[steady nest]

Imagine if all the stuff nikita said yesterday would've come from alex 💀

[unkempt sleet]

"He's lying!"

[steady nest]

Nawww

[dry patio]

And that there is an interview in a few days revealing what nikita said yesterday and today

By alex

[unkempt sleet]

what?

what interview

[steady nest]

"Now i become Death, the destroyer of lores"

[dry patio]

That just a thoery a irl thoery

[unkempt sleet]

ah

[ripe berry]

no wait no
dont go into insanity
chances are "guest was never supernatural" refers to hg
otherwise we have to have two+ "guests"

the mental one (from hnvr and gn2) and the physical one (form hn2 and as)
or hn2 and as are both fake

and then i guess ted in rd would make a third guest

easier to assume it refers to hg/hn2 alpha guest

nothing in raven brooks is supernatural is also likely sarcasm as multiple people have said

[ripe berry]

which means outside fo the two things listed here, there's also the time loop option

[unkempt sleet]

so please can we rule out the current Guest not being supernatural when theorising...

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

Nikita on his way to respond to mike message with

Yes i meant current guest as well

[silver vine]

No

[safe charm]

We cant rule it out fully

I feel

We dont know

We Will just have to wait and see

[dry patio]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-tinybuild-gif-19632922

The hn community going crazy over the fact that guest was never supernatural (i am also going crazy)

[ripe berry]

its the only way to not drive the theorizing community insane

[dry patio]

Did nikita think you werent gonna go crazy after this

[steady nest]

Silent hill...

Ah

Glad to see people are finally waking up to the truth

[unkempt sleet]

Heh, i wonder who's that

[steady nest]

Heh

[silver vine]

heh

[dry patio]

Heh

[manic dirge]

Heh

[snow mauve]

HEH

[shell gull]

He replied to the Question asking if “The Guest was always Supernatural” with “The Guest was NEVER Supernatural”

That rules out everything

Oh no I broke the Heh chain

[shell gull]

Which is pretty clear to me.

[shell gull]

True that goes against a bit.

[shell gull]

Time Loop just seems so used but it’s still a Thing.

[silver vine]

if guest was never supernatural

then what is it

in GN2, its showed to be the neighbor

but HN2 contradicts it

HN2 also implies the guest to be ancient

[shell gull]

This is how I see it #lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

doesnt explain HN2 tho

it shows the guest to be a different entity than the neighbor

[safe charm]

Yeah

Hnvr makes sense to me cause it can Always be metaphorical

But AS and hn2

Makes no sense

[shell gull]

I believe he’s referring to Books and Novels, since AS and HN2 isn’t Finished he isn’t going to give away Stuff.

[safe charm]

He also Said some of us are on the right track

About the continuity

Like how it all connects

[shell gull]

👍

That’s good

[safe charm]

Im just so confused

On how everything can remotly

Connect

[shell gull]

I don’t think it’s that bad, you just got to look at it from a Clear View.

[safe charm]

I mean in AS trinity moves in later

From the books

[shell gull]

That’s an issue I have

[safe charm]

Then you cant be sure

[shell gull]

Some people think that Perspectives is how the Story Works

[safe charm]

Fair

[shell gull]

Different Perspectives different Peoples Views, Books being Nicky and Aaron, AS being Trinity.

But that still makes no sense

[safe charm]

Then again Nikita Said while the books are canon

Their not canon in the way we Think they are

[shell gull]

How would Aaron know who Trinity is before she had Moved In, and if she hadn’t why would she Gaslight herself into thinking She’s the New Kid, same with Nicky.

That’s why I don’t think the Perspective Theory works.

[shell gull]

True.

[unkempt sleet]

Also it must be related to Mayak how everything is canon

[shell gull]

Also true.

But that’s if Time Loop Theory is true.

[unkempt sleet]

Like Nikita said Mayak will explain that in the past
And he's still saying everything is canon, so the chances are its still Mayak is so high

[shell gull]

Currently I’m leaning on the Puzzle Theory, of everything Books, AS, Games all being Puzzles to the Main Story.

Makes sense to me since HN is a Theory Bait Style of Story Telling, better to not tell the Full Story and you have to figure it out with everything you get.

Gtg 👋

[steady nest]

Guys

Hear me out

Delroy

Is the mayors son

[silver vine]

nawwww

[snow mauve]

Yawwwwwww

Best common theory

Of the century

[ripe berry]

so what do you think is going on in HNVR

ALSO

Nikita outright said he can only speak for things up to HN2A1.5

#old-rbo-discussion message

meaning anything past that point doesn't apply to Nikita's Statements

[unkempt sleet]

would that cancel out his Guest supernatural comment...

[ripe berry]

yeah

but

it also cancels out his all HN Media is canon statement (I think)

as he'd be talking about everything that existed up to HN2A1.5

[unkempt sleet]

nope it doesnt

is all HN media canon still

[ripe berry]

doesn't change that he's only talking HN1-HN2A1.5 Era

he's not referring to HN2 in there

but the investor doc thing we can't share means AS does apply to the statement

[unkempt sleet]

im sorry but this definitely applies to all HN Media that currently exist

[ripe berry]

but it gets complicated if we try this bs
so let's just say it's general enough that it doesn't fall under the NDA

so he's talking everything

[unkempt sleet]

other than the dev builds, they get excluded with the comment he made later

[ripe berry]

Even
The Rat™️?

(What me and a friend call the Neighbor's Notebook)

The Rat™️ isn't unreleased and counts as a piece of HN Media

[unkempt sleet]

yes

[ripe berry]

nor does The Rat™️ fall under something that'd be labelled as a "prototype" of sorts

AS Pilot is a "Prototype" for the AS

well great
now time to figure out how AS and Neighbor's Notebook can share a timeline with the Books and Games

[versed yacht]

I don't think everything is meant to be taken as one coherent timeline. I think by everything is canon, it simply means everything is canon BUT not everything is in one timeline.

If you look at everything is absolutely canon 100% of the time you're only going to confuse yourself. I think what we're supposed to do is take bits and pieces of each media and put together a coherent timeline using similarities until we know WHY everything is canon and how it works.

[safe charm]

Mayak

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/he-is-the-messiah-monty-gif-19570851

That makes more sense

[safe charm]

Anyways guest is NOT supernatrual 🙂

Heh

[shut hill]

Anyways guest is NOT supernatural 🙂 Because he is Franklin Peterson 🙂

🙂

[safe charm]

NO

[shut hill]

yes

[safe charm]

Hes mr Peterson duh

It makes

So much sense

[shut hill]

franklin peterson

[ripe berry]

also

Franklin Peterson originally didn't exist

it was just a friend of Mr. Peterson's

the AS changed it to be Ted's Brother to give the scene more impact or smth

Nikita confirmed

[safe charm]

Ok but seriously i Think its obvious guest is semi supernatrual but i do not Think hes as supernatrual as we thought

If that make sense

Like hes not just some demonic bird man theres problaby

More of an explaination

[versed yacht]

For example: HN1's version of Nicky's kidnapping and the AS's version are completely different. We know everything is canon, but we don't know how they work in tandem. So what it boils down to is taking the events we know for sure are canon and simplifying them for the timeline.

For example, Nicky is kidnapped. That is 100% true. But is he kidnapped BEFORE or AFTER he manages to open the basement is the question. In both the books, and HN1, we know for sure he made it into the basement before he was trapped, and wasn't brought down there by Theodore. So I think it's safe to say the AS is just a simplified version of that based off the perspective of Trinity.

Another example is who exactly saves Nicky? Well we know for sure that in HN1 it's Aaron, but in SN, AS, and HNVR, it's the rescue squad, so I think it's safe to say that it's them who save Nicky now, and not Aaron. This one is tough perspective wise because how does it work differently based on perspective? We don't know, and it likely is just a retcon, but either way, we'll have to see.

[ripe berry]

also
the ride in HGP and the HN2 Alpha 1.5 Intro were connected in some way?
#old-rbo-discussion message

[safe charm]

Yeah but thats

Scrapped

Lore

[ripe berry]

huh

no wonder one of the kids in HGP has similar clothing to Gerda
there's a direct throughline from that kid to modern-day Gerda

[safe charm]

One of my biggest confusion is that AS and hide and seek shows pre hide and seek Ted as a kind father
The 3 first books does not

Ok well not

My biggest

Obviously but its one of them

Idk what to take Ted character because Many of his potrayals are entirely different

[ripe berry]

#old-rbo-discussion message

[ripe berry]

I'd say Ted's more like his AS self then anything

he was a lot kinder before Diane died
but then after he became like what we see in Nicky Trilogy and Episodes 3-6 of AS

or well

[safe charm]

Maybe nicky trilogy was a lot of micomunication idk

[ripe berry]

at first he's just depressed after Diane and Mya dies

but then overtime he becomes more like his Nicky Trilogy/Late Season 1 self

[ripe berry]

I see it as remnants from the fact the books were originally non-canon

[versed yacht]

I think taking into consideration everything we see across all the media

Theodore has always had a screw loose, he's never not been mentally unwell, but there's been times in his life where he HAS been better mentally, like before Franklin died, or before Diane and Mya's deaths.

Diane and Mya were just his snapping point.

[safe charm]

Also i reread Nikita message to be sure and he defenitly means as it sounds guest was never supernatural but how the hell does reset day and gn2 make sense

[ripe berry]

Book 1 wasn't canon until the last second, so it's bound to have some slip ups

[safe charm]

With that

[ripe berry]

hell

Book 1 RELEASED with KNOWN slip ups

Mya and Diane had Dark Hair in Book 1
they literally had to change the book after launch to correct the hair color

[safe charm]

Teds decent into insanity is implied to begin slightly before the car crash in the Books

[ripe berry]

so we have KNOWN slip ups in Book 1 due to it originally not being canon

[safe charm]

Him being more in the basement

And starting to get more aggressive

Which does not really fit hide and seek

But ehh

[ripe berry]

I'd say HND is a more accurate version of the first Book

it removes the scene indicating Ted to have always been like this

[safe charm]

Oh yeah

[ripe berry]

Ted still was mostly alright in the head but I'd say he still had his moments

as Dizzy said

he always had a screw loose
but there are times where he's better mentally then others

[safe charm]

Now the real Question is

Wth is the guest now

[ripe berry]

Idk

[safe charm]

Like again Nikita was not refering

To if he was supernatural in hg

He just Said he was never

[ripe berry]

I'd say at most the Guest was never supernatural thing applies only to what used to be called "Old Lore"

[safe charm]

Supernatrural

[ripe berry]

minus HNVR of course

[safe charm]

He was refering to someone asking about gn2

Basically

[ripe berry]

basically HN2 was the point they made Guest supernatural

and then that ripples into HNVR and AS

but the Guest in GN2 and Reset Day has no supernatural qualities

this is also why the Guest was added into SN

originally he wasn't allowed as he only existed in some character's heads

[safe charm]

Well in AS guest doesnt feel THAT supernatrural Besides some stuff

Yet to be clear

We barely seen him

[ripe berry]

Guest in Regina's Mind in GN2 exists because Ted in the costume caused them to Crash earlier

[safe charm]

But so far he feels like someone in a suit Besides the croaking

And teleporting

[ripe berry]

when Regina said "you're the Raven Man", at the time it was literal

now it's not literal

but then

HN2's Story changed and the Guest became a actual creature

[safe charm]

Dont forget Alex keep saying

[ripe berry]

something the townsfolk were aware of

[safe charm]

Guest has an identity or well implying it

[ripe berry]

thus the Guest could now appear in SN, as he was now a ancient folklore instead of appearing around the time of HN2

[safe charm]

He was in gn2

Too

A urban legend

[ripe berry]

HNVR tries to connect the GN2 Guest to the new concept of the Guest

[ripe berry]

but by then he had existed for awhile I'd say

Ted had the Guest identity for awhile by then

[ripe berry]

this way HN2 and AS can go forward with the new Guest Concept in a way that fits the info given about the old concept in

Ted is no longer literally the Raven Man

but the Raven Man was controlling Ted, so Ted still is technically a Raven Man, just not the true one

the Guest in HN2 wasn't fitting with how the Guest was intended to be
so they changed it to the current concept

[ripe berry]

actually the saves Nicky thing is problematic

in SN, it's shown through rocket event to be the Rescue Squad imagining a plan to save Nicky

in HNVR, the Rescue Squad don't actually save Nicky

it's Aaron who frees Nicky

thus Aaron is the one to free Nicky, not the Rescue Squad

[versed yacht]

fair

i guess in that case you'd have to look at it based on most recent media

[strange lance]

episode 6 and hnvr

at the end of the day the AS is still an adaptation, a canon one yes but its still an adaptation with a different take of the story. Whatever reason there is for making everything work will come but for now theres no point in trying to make it all connect until then, cause rn you just can't make it work

without straight up saying oh yeah this just didn't happen. Its consistently been Aaron freeing Nicky, and the AS is the one time its been switched up for adaptation sake

I'd rather follow what happens more than the 1 time thing

that's just how I see this

[ripe berry]

well congrats Nikita
you've only made things with the community worse

now instead of having the majority agree on smth now the community is fragmented on how to treat everything

[shut hill]

its not that deep michael

[ripe berry]

ok
then how can everything be canon in one timeline

[shut hill]

idk

[strange lance]

with what we have now its kinda impossible, which is why we should wait and theorize on what the solution to all this will be with mayak when we see it in the AS (unfortunately)

like what will mayak do to solve all this

whats like the scenario that causes mayak to do whatever it will do

those are the more interesting questions imo

time to play hnvr again, haven't done it in a while. I hope I see things I might have missed

[shell gull]

Exactly, you just explained Puzzle Theory.

[ripe berry]

also
"not everything is one timeline"
Nikita himself said no Multiverse

what you said is literally a multiverse

but the puzzle piece thing is the most coherent thing we can do until they give the official explanation

[versed yacht]

What I mean is essentially that each story is it's own thing until we can piece together one coherent timeline

[ripe berry]

fair enough....

[inner lichen]

Ted being The Guest was

probably the case even after HG

I think the Alpha Era was probably the same thing

[shell gull]

That’s why I think it works best it’s not a Multiverse just each Timeline is just Parts to what the Actual Timeline is.

[shell gull]

Fits the “It’s canon, just not the way you think it is”

[wise mulch]

Lore

[spring prairie]

the peak of hn:dc

[cold field]

Behold my great renders

[deft gulch]

HOW TO HAVE

[dry patio]

HN was realistic (animated) refernce?!?

[wise mulch]

How do these random people know our game

[viral dove]

Nicky as woody and Theo as lightyear is so real

[cold field]

It's so real

[dry patio]

PEAK

[marble nebula]

If hello neighbor was realistic💀

[cold field]

Not technically

[cold field]

(I made those models btw)

[marble nebula]

It’s not an OG idea though

Look up if hello neighbor was realistic

[wicked heath]

Nooo someone finally rendered this???

[cold field]

Yeah, and it was me.

I still have the models too.

[wicked heath]

We must thank you for your great contribution to this cursed community

[cold field]

I was actually asked to make this, for a Roblox hello neighbor game, the renders, I do them for the gamez but in-game it uses the models too

[cold field]

I know, I had watched it a few weeks before I finalized the models

Nicky looks a little too into the sheriff Woody style

Also I nicknamed them Sheriff Nicky and Buzz Peterson

[marble nebula]

I just noticed that Theo’s chest sticker says raven brooks

[marble nebula]

That’s funny💀

[snow mauve]

Barf

[ripe berry]

you know
thinking about it
Time Loops is like
THE only answer to how everything is in one timeline
there's no Multiverse
and Nikita said in 2020 it's bc of Mayak
Time Loops are the only thing the Mayak Energy is known to do that could allow for this

I'm sorry Perspective and Puzzle Piece theorizers
if Mayak's involved it must be Time Loops, some complicated stuff that makes no sense or Multiverse
and with Multiverse off the table, Occam's Razor says it's time loops and not some complicated stuff

[shell gull]

So… in AS Lucy dies to a Lightning Strike, obviously she didn’t die just Vanished, has to do with The Pit probably.

[snow mauve]

The pit?

Excuse me..

Like..

INTO

The pit

Huh

[blissful ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1206245091904323594/a.gif

I think he means this

[snow mauve]

INTO the pit!?

ohhhhhh my

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-even-he-was-weirded-tf-out-groundhog-weirded-tf-out-groundhog-confused-blank-stare-gif-3429684129014646363

[vast sentinel]

it isn't bad though
and they are roleplaying...

[vast sentinel]

nothing is worse in the community though, you shouldn't eat this poor man alive

half of the theories, like the coma theory or MJ thing were made up for fun and now people hold to it with their dear life bc everyone just wants to be right, but they are just wild theories, nothing actually suggests them if you know enough

[unkempt sleet]

or they're just having fun theorising

[vast sentinel]

I wouldn't really call arguments "fun" anymore

[unkempt sleet]

depends on the person

[dry patio]

If nikita is not allowed to talk about mayak that means time loop is our only option

[dry patio]

Can someone give a rough timeline using time loop thoery?

[snow mauve]

Everything repeats itself

The end

[ripe berry]

Games Timeline First
Ted discovers time loops around the time of HE
tries to travel back in time with them
A Few Time Loops Later
Guest gains control of Ted in one of the timelines, learns of time loops and starts doing loops itself
Books Timeline
Ted and some others who know about the timeloops realize they can't change the past so they try to ensure it happens as a user who's messages have been deleted originally suggested
Guest makes full use of it's knowledge of Time Loops in Reset Day
eventually we get the AS Timeline

that's how I understand it at least

it may be stupid
but it's the most logical way for Nikita's Statements over time to make sense

[wicked heath]

« I fell from a cave on Mount Ebott »

[ripe berry]

sorry
HN Lore is like that sometimes

[silver vine]

No

[wise mulch]

That’s stupid

[dry patio]

HN lore is one of the most confusing (fnaf is s++++ tier while hn is s+++ tier in confusing thoerists)

[hollow scarab]

I just finished reading nog simming and i am on the edge of my seat because of this cliffhanger 😭

[dry patio]

So we dont know how guest is not supernatural?

[ripe berry]

nope
and I've given up trying to figure that out

because there'd have to be "two Guests" to make it make any form of sense (or HN2 and AS can't be 100% real)

[vast sentinel]

you're ignoring one thing

that all of this was written by different people. book, game, cartoon.
it'll never exactly match up, actually...you can't match everything all the time. especially after fnaf i just learnt that sometimes some things aren't related to the lore, but the writer themselves.
it's that way bc they interpret smth that way.

for example the alpha 3 ending is in book 1. literally the same scene. why? Carly probably watched gameplays and thought it's the same storyline. remember, not even HN fans know exactly,when one old storyline ends and when the other starts.

[ripe berry]

but then Nikita acts like he's come up with a canon explanation to explain all the inconsistencies

thus it doesn't matter the reason for the inconsistencies

what matters is that Nikita has come up with a in-universe reason for the inconsistencies
thus we must deal with them

[vast sentinel]

he said in 2020 that mayak will explain everything. that was a different storyline, most likely scrapped by now (this is just a thought)
he probably did have his own version to explain things, but yknow that the AS and all that is different category nowadays

i have a feeling that mayak's purpose was changed along with other plot elements' purpose

[unkempt sleet]

He still says everything is canon though

Doesnt matter if the answer is still Mayak or not

[steady nest]

I wanna say that we may look at the guest the wrong way

Nikita is a big fan of silent hill, and hn takes inspiration from those games when it comes to it's characters

In SH2 for example, each monster you come across are symbolic for an emotion related to the protagonist

I think the guest may be the same. He's symbolic and represents something related to the protagonist. So the guest may not even be real. This is why in GN2 for example, we see the goose faze through a wall and then choke the neighbor to death

[safe charm]

Well reset day flat out reveals he’s the neighbor lol

[steady nest]

He can faze through walls (showing hes not real or something like that), but then chokes the neighbor (showing that he can do actual damage to a person)

[safe charm]

At the end

Which doesn’t really make sense

[steady nest]

So what?

I think we shouldn't look at hn lore in a fnaf way

[unkempt sleet]

SHAPESHIFT GRAHH

[safe charm]

Guest WAS NEVER supernatural

Buddy

[unkempt sleet]

too bad he can do those stuff smh

[dry patio]

Is the guest a hallucination?

[safe charm]

Guest on his way to be revealed to be a metaphor

😢

Ok

[worn ibex]

💀

Idk bro

[dry patio]

Guest on his way to make hn2 more complicated

[worn ibex]

I just hope he's not another shadow man situation

[worn ibex]

When did this happen I don't remember reset day

I read it but I don't remember

It was my least favourite out of all the books

[muted moon]

His moustache was in the beak

[steady nest]

It may be...

[muted moon]

Piper noticed it like twice

[worn ibex]

Huh

[safe charm]

And at the end

Guest sends the protagonist a message

With a photo of the neighbor

[dry patio]

It was our "hello neighbor 2"

[muted moon]

And in gn2 hes literally just the neighbor in a suit

[safe charm]

Well

Except

For underwater

Where he fights him

But that could just be metaphorical

[muted moon]

Underwater is his mind fighting the guest or whatever

Something metaphorical

[unkempt sleet]

how did he change clothes underwater

he goes into the water with his normal clothes

and then comes out with guests clothes

if Guest fight and stuff is "metaphorical" that would mean he changed clothes underwater

[safe charm]

He’s just built

Different

[steady nest]

That is also metaphorical

[safe charm]

Hnvr to me in a nightmare

Shows the shadow of the guest looming

Over the neighbor

To me it shows guest slowly taking him over or trying too

Just my interpretation

[unkempt sleet]

But we also see him trying to manipulate Aaron

from Trinity's perspective in a nightmare

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/that-doesnt-make-sense-will-farell-confused-gif-13027139

[dry patio]

The entirety of the guest is metaphorical. A crow stalking quentin as he solves the deepest mystery of raven brooks a town full of bad luck due to the cult

[safe charm]

Yeah

[steady nest]

Apparently hes not supernatural so

[safe charm]

I would hate if the guest is JUSR metaphorical

[dry patio]

Quentin feels that someone is watching him some way or shape or form

[safe charm]

I’m fine with him being someone

But if he’s just a metaphor

That’s a bit lame

[steady nest]

Sh2 ahh monster

Now i realise that all this time we may have looked at the lore of hn the wrong way

If stuff like this still applies to hn2 then yea

[dry patio]

What if the guest was NEVER Intended to be supernatural and they couldnt think of a way to make him not be supernatural

[safe charm]

The end of reset day

This was the guest message

[oblique drum]

it doesnt

[safe charm]

Everything is canon buddy

Oh wait

Yeah no

Not that

Oops heheh

[steady nest]

It may actually still apply

[safe charm]

Nikita said

[steady nest]

If the goose is not supernatural that is

[safe charm]

It doesn’t

[unkempt sleet]

it doesnt

[steady nest]

It does but in another way

[oblique drum]

ok so that means that it doesnt

[unkempt sleet]

literally it doesnt

[steady nest]

If the guest is meant to represent some part of a character, then now, in hn2, it represents something else

[dry patio]

This could be about that the guest represents the truth a cold blooded truth and as he tries to remove the truth so that no one else can feel the same suffering and pain he felt when finding out the truth (thats just my thoery)

[steady nest]

He doesn't represent the "yellow-press and desire to face reality". He may now represent something different

But he still represents something

[dry patio]

I am talking about back then in hn2 alpha 2

[steady nest]

Which makes him not supernatural

It may be something like the thing again, but on a deeper level

[dry patio]

A metaphorical creature haunting the town of raven brooks is supernatural

[steady nest]

Idk

If its just in someone's mind then idk

[dry patio]

Yeah that could not be true because the guest was in hnvr that means that the guest could be in MULTIPLE peoples mind

[steady nest]

Thats true...

[dry patio]

Evolving from hn1's one persons trauma to hn2's everyones trauma(?)

[steady nest]

Maybe

The goose..

Is too complicated

We also know that the goose is part of rb folklore

And that it takes things that are no longer appreciated

How does that fit into anything

[dry patio]

Yeah..

The gooses story will be told in the next 5 years

[steady nest]

Now i get why alex said lore on the goos started making 0 sense

This shit is too complex

[unkempt sleet]

yea thats why he's actually just a supernatural bird man now...

[dry patio]

What about simple things like thoerys for patch10

[silver vine]

Hi

[stiff spire]

hello

[dry patio]

Hola

[quaint viper]

I got a theory A GAME THEORY. What if the neighbors is haunted

[ripe berry]

actually pal
With BusFring's explanation this still makes sense

the Guest has "taken over Ted" so Ted dresses as the Guest

however

The Guest is weird no matter what

in HN2 he definitely is real

LayoutV2 has the Guest extinguishing candles and freeing Quentin from the Ropes

but if he's real then what's GN2?

If Guest isn't supernatural as in in general it's impossible to neatly fit the Guest in all the boxes he has to fit in

[unkempt sleet]

Heeee is aaaa supernaturalllll croooooow heeeehhhh

Oneee
Twooo
Threee
Raveeeeen man is at your dooor

[ripe berry]

not without either making everything after HN2 Act 1 not be reality or having Two Guests (so-to-speak) at least
The Mental representation of something
and the physical person who's a cult member acting as their god

[quaint viper]

I got a theory what if the neighbor has a sibling because in hello neighbor I think alpha 2 you can go into ghost mode and enter the door in the basement and there you can see a picture of the neighbor with his sibling

[ripe berry]

I got good news for you

theory's confirmed

we see said sibling in the Hello Neighbor: Welcome to Raven Brooks Season 2 Teaser "Petersons Stick Together"

[quaint viper]

I wonder if we will ever see his sibling in a game

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V2KDtPQfUk
(the one in Blue is Child Neighbor, the one in Green is the Neighbor's Brother, just to clarify)

[quaint viper]

Alright I'ma watch it

[ripe berry]

btw Neighbor's Named Theodore (or Ted for short) and his brother's named Franklin
the names aren't said in the teaser but the names have been confirmed (Ted's confirmed through the books and Franklin's Actor confirmed his name)
just letting you know now when you see the names thrown around

[unkempt sleet]

Guest has powers that humans seems to not have
Can we all agree on this 😊☺️

[ripe berry]

yeah

I'm saying the Guest HAS to be supernatural (and thus Nikita was only talking HG when he said that)

thinking about it

nvm actually

[old glacier]

is controlling Luck considered supernatural in the HN Franchise
this is a partially unrelated question

[snow mauve]

I mean you have bad luck magic in this series lol

Based off coins or devices

Soooooooo

[ripe berry]

not really

there's tons of devices that can control luck in the Books

[old glacier]

yeah isn't it weather based

[ripe berry]

or smth like that yeah

if someone could control weather
like Ted found out how to do in GN2
they could control luck

[muted moon]

gn2: nothing supernatural. just neighbor in a suit
reset day: most things can be explained by metaphors and similes being misinterpreted as literal. burning smell isnt that hard to explain. "shapeshifting" is just his moustache sticking through the sides of the beak, or him taking the beak off.
hn2: yeah idk how to explain that

[ripe berry]

HNVR: How the hell do you even...

[muted moon]

oh yeah i forgot hnvr

well

there is one way

dream world

theory

thing

idk

probably just something similar to reginas dream in gn2

it is a dream, but not a normal one

[ripe berry]

HN2 is unexplainable lol

that means the Guest is supernatural bc HN2

[muted moon]

hn2 MIGHT be someone in a suit

[ripe berry]

Nikita said everything is canon with no multiverse

[muted moon]

thats the only explanation i can think of

[ripe berry]

two Guests my behated

[muted moon]

not two guests

[ripe berry]

Two people wear the Guest Suit
thus Two Guests

Ted

[muted moon]

i mean like the guest is entirely just a guy in a suit or smth

[ripe berry]

and ???

[muted moon]

not ted

someone else

[ripe berry]

Reset Day/GN2 Guest is Ted

[muted moon]

and hn2 ted is not

its probably someone else in a suit

[ripe berry]

thus it'd mean Two Guests
HN2 Guest
GN2/RD Guest

[muted moon]

alex implied it a lot

[ripe berry]

aka
Two Guest's my Behated

RD Guest would be Ted
HN2 Guest is ???
they're two different people
so if the Guest isn't supernatural it automatically means Two Guests lol

Why do I keep forgetting i said something and then saying it again

[vast sentinel]

i think this about the AS
did the guest do anything special a human can't do in the AS?

[wicked heath]

Vanished, but that seems abt it

Also was in Trinity’s house, but if someone could break in, its nothing special

[vast sentinel]

some people in my life did that, that's nothing special 😃
jkjk

idk the way he was animated was pretty human-like

[uncut otter]

again we cant take everything the guest does from the kids pov at face value

remember nikita loves playing with false memories and childhood trauma stuff

and also cause when quentin runs into him aside from being like fast the guest doesnt do anything supernatural in patch 9

and quentins the adult lol

[silver vine]

Control crows, turn into crows, vanish

[unkempt sleet]

that does not sound like typical human behaviour

[silver vine]

What if the guest is an evolved dinosaur......

[hollow scarab]

is this channel alive?

atm?

[dry patio]

What if the guest was the friends we made along the way......

[safe charm]

Anyways i wonder which is closer to the game events

If the Books AS is just seperate ways to tell the story theory is correct and thats how everything is canon

I personally Think AS is closer with the cult and guest and town in general stuff while the Books is closer to the games when it comes to the mr Peterson and hn1 stuff altough it too changes stuff cough cough who put up the missing posters

[safe charm]

Anyways guest is the Neighbor 🙂

As clearly proven in RESET DAY

Hehehe

[marsh jungle]

do you guys still belive the theory that Quentin is Ike Gershowitz?

[unkempt sleet]

no

[marsh jungle]

yeah me too, but it seems that was gonna be the idea on hello guest

[silver vine]

I used to

but then the sixth book confirmed that Ike died

[vast sentinel]

depends on, which Quentin.
if you look at the HGP/HG Quentin, most likely.
it's just a different interpretation of him

same with Norman Darby probably being the HN2 Quentin - at some point.
but since the storyline keeps changing, the characters do too

[ripe berry]

wonder what kind of hellhole we'd be in if Nikita had said the Alphas/Betas/Demos/whatever was canon aswell

[shell gull]

Glad they are still Symbolism.

[ripe berry]

also gonna guess this means Manifestation isn't canon or smth

since Manifestation doesn't work with HN2/AS

[shell gull]

Well, I guess so, but the way I interpreted Nikita’s words was that with what we had The Guest was never Supernatural meaning The Guest in the Books and Novels but for HN2 and AS since we haven’t seen the Full Thing Yet it’s different.

[safe charm]

Yeah thata legit

What it sounds like

[safe charm]

Thing is Nikita Said everything is still canon

So none of this works together

My head actually hurts

[nimble burrow]

So if the guest is the neighbor or what not how in God's name can Theodore cling onto walls? I have a few ideas but idk

[shell gull]

Nikita said that we aren’t Interpreting the Canon correctly such as him saying the Books are Canon but not in the way we think it is, Time Loop could make sense especially with Mayak as the Core of the Story, and everything being different each Time Loop, but like I’ve said before I personally think the Puzzle Theory is the best interpretation, everything is the Puzzle Piece to the Puzzle, all Games, Books, Novels and AS are all Bits to the Main Story, which makes sense with how HN has always pushed to Theory Bait, in turn allowing that.

[silver vine]

guys

yall are just looking too much into this

[shell gull]

Ey we’re talking about a pretty bizarre guy.

[silver vine]

that all I'd say

[safe charm]

I mean why would guest identity be different all together

From books

To games

[shell gull]

I can agree on that, but rn I’m just trying to get to the best Conclusion for now till we get more.

[safe charm]

Because the Books heavily imply hes the Neighbor

In some form

[nimble burrow]

True but why is bro limping? The only people who should be limping are his brother,or some weird mannequin
I mean he literally croaks or whatever that ain't human it's been confusing for a long time

What even is he?

[shell gull]

Listen, Lore wise it’s weird but outside of HN you have to realize AS is in the hand of different Writers than Nikita and Carly, they choose what they want for their OWN Story, we just have to deal with how it makes the Lore.

[safe charm]

I wonder what Nikita want guest to be

Then

[silver vine]

when was he limping?

I dont recall him linmping at all

[nimble burrow]

Secret neighbor he has a weird limp

[shell gull]

Ted limps in HN1 and The Guest limps as well once in a while.

[nimble burrow]

I dunno man it's just weird looking at him

[silver vine]

ah yes I remember now

[nimble burrow]

Like why does he croak why is he having supersonic hearing it's gonna make me a crazy matpat

Fr fr

[nimble burrow]

Who is ted?

[silver vine]

dis guy

[shell gull]

Like I’ve said the best Idea as to The Guest is a Second Personality due to Ted’s Insanity which is a Real Thing that occurs, and HN is known for trying to fit Real Disorders into the Lore.

[safe charm]

Hnvr has the guest as a shadow

Over Ted

[nimble burrow]

Nevermind.....I just looked it up and got Theodore I'm sorry

[shell gull]

Theodore Masters Peterson or his nickname Ted, The Neghbor.

[safe charm]

In one scene

Like its his bad side

[ripe berry]

time loops makes sense when reading Nikita's 2020 statements

"everything is canon... it's that way because of Mayak."

[silver vine]

you can call him Theo as well

[safe charm]

Could the Neighbor be the guest but also not the guest

(Im going insane am i)

[shell gull]

Like I said Second Personality, The Guest trying to get Control forever.

[nimble burrow]

I thought kayak was a weather station or maybe a the kayak is a weatherstation that manipulates time

Mayak*

[shell gull]

Makes the most sense to me.

[silver vine]

it is a weather station

it can control weather

[nimble burrow]

Ok so I'm not going crazy

[silver vine]

it can possibly manipulate time

[nimble burrow]

O-O

[silver vine]

we are not sure about that

[ripe berry]

close
funnily enough the Weather is the thing that can manipulate time if used correctly as implied by HE

[nimble burrow]

I'm turning into m-

WHAT

[ripe berry]

Hello Engineer is a wild game in terms of lore

[nimble burrow]

I'm gonna go crazy like matpat

[shell gull]

True but it feels Anticlimactic to me

[safe charm]

Yeah but not with hn2

It makes sense with hnvr

And gn2

[ripe berry]

how do we get from Kids breaking into the GAAP to straight up Ted sending them to a alternate dimension using Weather and some Lightning Rods or smth

[nimble burrow]

Why does the guest have weird mannequin fingers?

[ripe berry]

then again, so does Puzzle Piece Theory and Perspective Theory

[nimble burrow]

Like no human in that world would have skinny French fry fingers like that

[safe charm]

Hn continuity is so unhinged lmao😭

[ripe berry]

it all feels anticlimatic

[shell gull]

How many times do I have to explain this, HN2 and AS are different, Nikita was referring to what we have established.

[safe charm]

No

Everything is Canon

[nimble burrow]

I'm tweaking fr fr

[safe charm]

If its completely different its a different continuity

[nimble burrow]

Lol

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

Alex said everything is canon
Nikita said All HN Media is Still canon

both statements work in tandem

thus everything is canon

[nimble burrow]

Wait

[shell gull]

So how hard is it to understand how Canon doesn’t always mean everything relates exactly Together.

[ripe berry]

Nikita said no multiverse btw

[safe charm]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Alex even stated Canon is a Flexible Term in HN.

[ripe berry]

everything is canon in one universe

[safe charm]

Its all the same

Continuity

Basically

[nimble burrow]

So if everything is cannon then what about that weird easter egg with the neigh or in HN1 with the simulation stuff

[safe charm]

Nah

[ripe berry]

not sure how to fit that in with this stuff

[nimble burrow]

But im just wondering if everything is Canon

[ripe berry]

every full release is canon

so things like HN1 Alphas, HG, or AS Pilot are non-canon

with RBO, only treat the most recent RBO Version (and the Lore Signs from the prototype until something contradicts them) as canon

[shell gull]

Ik, but like we already know clearly the Lore is either Time Loops where everything Constantly Changes in the Universe, or everything is everybody’s own Interpretation from their Perspective, or everything HN is just the Pieces to what the Actual Lore is to Theory Bait people into Theory just like they’ve always been doing.

[safe charm]

For example hn1 and hn2 defenitly is the same continuity

Litteraly

[nimble burrow]

Even the PC full release of HN1 where you do ai=error dumping is that Canon?

[safe charm]

Hn1

Hn2

[ripe berry]

although the theory bait thing doesn't really mesh well with no multiverse

as it's basically saying there's a multiverse

so Perspective and Time Loops are the most likely two

and out of them
Time Loops fits better with the old Mayak Statements

[safe charm]

Its problaby time loops

[shell gull]

Well you see, everything is Canon but the actual Lore of the Canon is jumbled up in the Media we have so we have to unscramble.

[safe charm]

Why did they had to overcomplicate the lore

This much

[nimble burrow]

I'm so lost bro

[safe charm]

Why not just tell a good story

[ripe berry]

doesn't change the no multiverse thing

[silver vine]

It's not really that complicated

What's complicated

[shell gull]

Your making it seem overcomplicated rn 💀

[shell gull]

True true.

[ripe berry]

what do you call Trinity moving in for the first time at two points in the timeline when they aren't actually the main timeline if not a multiverse

[shell gull]

Yeah Time Loop seems obvious.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

Hnvr He is supernatrural and wants something with the Neighbor

Rd and gn Hes the Neighbor or closely connected with him

Hn2
AS
Hes not the Neighbor and is very linked with the cult

Hmmm

[shell gull]

Your thinking too hard on this.

[safe charm]

what is the true guest

[ripe berry]

so the Guest is a supernatural entity that's the god of the Cult and wants something to do with the Neighbor
simple

these things do not have to be mutually exclusive

they can all coexist

[shell gull]

Alright we have reached Insanity.

[safe charm]

Wheres my toilet

Skibidi toilet!!!

[ripe berry]

Guest isn't the Neighbor but they possess the Neighbor in GN2

[safe charm]

Maybe Nikita worded it wrong

And he only meant hg guest?

[shell gull]

No your interpretation is wrong, was trying to explain it to you.

[safe charm]

Okay so tell me

If he is not supernatrural

Is he a metaphor?

Is he a cultist leader

Is he the Neighbor

[silver vine]

Ancient evil cult curses neighbor's family with bad luck. Neighbor builds amusement park. A girl dies. Reputation gone. Years later wife dies. Son kills daughter. Neighbor locks son in basement. Neighborhood kid witnesses. Gets suspicious. Breaks into basement. Locks him in too. Kids friends get suspicious. Start investigating him. Start exploring the park to build cars. Escape park. Break into neighbor's house. Son frees kid. Police called. Neighbor escapes with son. Journalist witnesses. Neighbor hides in museum and locks son in attic. Journalist starts investigating the whole town. Breaks into library, school, bakery, Taxidemist's house, Mayor's mansion. Finds out the existence of evil cult. Journalist tries to free son. Son goes back to neighbor. Evil cult kidnaps journalist. All the while evil bird roams the town and orchestrates stuff. Storm hits. Everyone evacuates. Years later, kid comes back. Deals with trauma. Defeats fears. Starts remembering son.

Easy

[ripe berry]

Guest is supernatural lol

he's all the above somewhat

[safe charm]

Well then it all makes

Sense

Yeah

[ripe berry]

he represents something but he also is a actual being

[shell gull]

When Nikita says The Guest was Supernatural he’s referring to his Perspective of what he was doing with the Character, AS and HN2 Writers aren’t on his Point of View while reason why the Lore is so Mixed, clearly they are trying to Fix that.

[unkempt sleet]

i nicholas micheal roth, agree

[safe charm]

Hmmm oh boy thats gonna be hard to fix hopefully they do though

[silver vine]

What's so complicated

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

Absolute Cinema

[safe charm]

Or hear me out

Theres 3 guests

Hehe

(Im joking before you yell)

[shell gull]

Peak

[ripe berry]

Multi-Guests my behated

[safe charm]

Also the guest was never meant

[silver vine]

Am I wrong here

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To be the Main antagonist

Of hn2 fully fully

Even back in the alpha days

[shell gull]

Yeah he was supposed to be Yellow Press.

[safe charm]

Im talking about the 1.5

Era and stuff

And alpha 1

Not hg

[shell gull]

Oh, eh debatable.

[ripe berry]

wha

[safe charm]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

what was the question

[safe charm]

I asked if back in the hn2 alpha 1 days

Guest was the Main antagonist since

He was everywhere

Apperantly he wasnt

Or not exactly

[shell gull]

Not exactly, indicates a Mix focus.

[safe charm]

I hope they will fix hn2 story

With patch 10

(Make it connect better with everything)

[silver vine]

The bendy movie is live action....

[ripe berry]

ah yes
#throwback-discussion message
RotM's Gameplay Loop

[ripe berry]

the way I see it
The Guest is the Antagonist sure
but he's not the bad guy here

not in the alpha days at least

[crude dew]

technically speaking, aaron and nicky dont know each other in the main line games. Hnd is strictly based on the books, and retcons HN’s conclusion. books’ story cannot be relevant in every detail, due to the cartoon happening, which now connects to hn2. And you asked what is so complicated. That this is a franchise, where characters are nonstop changing along with the storylines. Prealpha, alpha 3 and HN final release have 3 different player characters, different storylines. Characters looking the very same, but playing different roles that cannot be considered the same. HN and HG were connected, but HG isn’t part of the main lines anymore. Elements of hn2 alpha 1 were re-used but Nikita confirmed that just bc you see something being re-used, it doesn’t mean it has the same symbolism like in the old storyline. (Jesus pic for example) There is a lot of things going on here under the surface. It is not easy.

[safe charm]

No both the Books and the cartoon

Is 100 percent canon

How we simply do not know yet

But its likely due to the mayak

[crude dew]

that is a 2020 statement. If Nikita says the mayak thing again, then its relevant. What do we know about the mayak? Nothing

[safe charm]

Its very likely nikita is still involved with the lore

Though

[unkempt sleet]

"is all hn media canon still"
"Yes"

[safe charm]

Basically responding to a Question if his 2020

Statement is still a thing

And he says yes

[unkempt sleet]

"All HN media" in 2024 includes Games, Books and the Show all together
And Nikita's answer to if "All HN media" was still canon was a simple yes
Cannot get any more simple than that

[crude dew]

and your point is?

[unkempt sleet]

books are canon
nicky and aaron knew each other

[safe charm]

Nikita basically approved of the Books story

Most likely

He himself said he was involved

[crude dew]

then you retcon hn. But you guys are trying to cope for days with guest not being supernatural, so…lol. We dont have enough info on mayak which is the core of everything

[unkempt sleet]

why would Nikita retcon HN

smh

🐦‍⬛

[safe charm]

Its not a big deal with the Books and the cartoon being canon

Its just more story

[unkempt sleet]

Cant have more story if it goes against my headcanon

[silver vine]

But then again, there's fart machine blueprints in Nicky's treehouse

[unkempt sleet]

not just the fart machine, the other two prank blueprints are there too

The pranks that Nicky did with Aaron

[silver vine]

I know

But they are under the fart machine

[unkempt sleet]

still i think it would be better to present that piece of evidence as "Prank Blueprints" rather than "Fart Machine Blueprint"

[onyx zenith]

hello neighbor 2 is the worst game i ever seen because its full bug

[ripe berry]

sorry, but this is the Lore Discussion, You can report the bugs in #1047329742577209354

[unkempt sleet]

Nah you see its a part of the lore

its full bug
Raven Brooks is filled with bugs

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 1 would like a word with you

[small elk]

HN1 just standing right there

[marsh jungle]

Bro, if you think its bad, wait until you see hn1

[coral wyvern]

Hello neighbor:

https://tenor.com/view/rinavrs-kittygirled-sitting-professional-gif-25254339

[shell gull]

Womp Womp

[granite portal]

whats good yall did yall see Nicky Roths parents

[stiff spire]

yeah

[old glacier]

like after act 2

act 2 and 3 are visual depiction of trauma

it's like the twisted memory of the house

seen by a child

i'd say like search and rescue but i am not sure myself

[strange lance]

act 2 in reality was Nicky escaping the backyard through the hole in the fence, he felt trapped when he really wasn't, and ted never chased him

then he went to his treehouse and celebrated with his friends

[wicked heath]

Noooo! His clothes are perfectly fine and he has both shoes plus his cap!

Literally unplayable

[pale urchin]

From an outsiders perspective, they wouldn't understand the game at all

[silver vine]

According to the creator of the game:
Act 1 is real
Act 2 is distorted memory
Acts 3 and finale is self therapy

Act 2 is basically a very exxagerated version of what happened

The neighbor didn't build any walls or extensions

It was just act 1 house

The player just imagined the extensions and walls because of trauma

[finite hawk]

The pilot of the show just says that Nicky’s parents just always leave him for like long periods of time

I don’t think the pilot is canon but I think that is pretty much why we never see his parents

[finite hawk]

Yep

And during that time is during the events of Hello Neighbor 2 Secret Neighbor and VR

But also at the same time Secret Neighbor is considered just to be a made up story that the kids made up

Or more or less Secret Neighbor is their planning stages and them imagining what it would be like to save Nicky and VR is when they actually do it

Which ties in to the end of season 1 of the show

the show is its own thing The books are its own thing The games are own thing

[unkempt sleet]

it's just that its not an important location in the HN2's story, so they just didnt bother

[unkempt sleet]

its not like the house got retconned or something like that

[rigid trench]

I also don’t think it got retroactive continuity’d

[dry patio]

Isnt there a treehouse next to petersons cottage/crime scene we seen nicky live in a treehouse in AS

[crude dew]

maybe a bit like in the AS in the very early episodes
smaller fences, planks on windows

they probably did not model the house lol
why? yes

[strange lance]

no one got made at Alex for saying its all canon everyone knew everything was canon, people got mad at him for treating the AS as the true and definitive story and that everything prior should be recontextualized with the AS when we know that is not the case and that it doesn't work like that.

thankfully nikita gave us an actual good confirmation so theres no need for debates anymore

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Also when do you Think guest was made supernatrural?

[strange lance]

I guess during hn2 alphas idk. By then the lights already started to flicker around him, unless like ted has a controller that messes with lights which would be dumb

but after that time he went full entity mode he is not a guy in a suit anymore

like that much is obvious

[steady nest]

Naw people though AS made everything not canon when that wasn't the case

And when alex said everything is canon people said he was lying

And stuff like the AS cant just be canon to hn2 but not be canon the everything else

Its either canon or not canon

[crude dew]

well guys. Then error world is still canon?

[strange lance]

that plot kinda fizzled away, its not really relevant anymore

and I'm glad cause I always thought it was dumb

[wicked heath]

For me its still canon, just in our universe

[crude dew]

error world was one of the best things that ever happened to hn

[stiff spire]

yeah

error world was weird

error world was like the guest world of HN1

[finite hawk]

But it was only in the PC version meaning literally only 50% of the players ever got to experience it

Considering the rest are just on console or on phone

[silent schooner]

i get why it was only on pc bc of the console commands but they coulda made it so you can use the built in keyboard for each platform

it definitely didnt need to be a thing tho, error world

[finite hawk]

Here’s a funny thing Nintendo switch supports keyboard PlayStation supports keyboard Xbox supports keyboard

Literally all the main game consoles support keyboard

Although only to a limited amount

Like Nintendo switch is very limited only capable of typing in messages that games that supported it and very rarely can play the game with a keyboard

So speaking of which I think Hello neighbor 2 patch 10 will take place out of town, maybe somewhere underground

Just taking a guess there not sure with the lore will go with it

[stiff spire]

they could've done a konami code thing to access it for consoles instead

(up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A and Start)

would've been cool

[silent schooner]

sure but still, switch, xbox and playstation (im pretty sure) have built-in "keyboards" but
it would need a dif button instead of ~ but still

[muted moon]

thats because he isnt entirely reliable

cough cough snow scene cough cough

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Btw what do you Think guest is in current lore

Im confused myself

[muted moon]

i dont know

only thing i can really think of is maybe a cultist?

or maybe franklin somehow survived?

[safe charm]

I got a theory hes the original fp

Like the one that inspired all the other

[muted moon]

the original raven would be ancient

well not ancient

but probably some tavish from the 1800s

[safe charm]

Isnt guest very old though