lore-discussion

[strange lance]

so yes the dream world is guest world, its just not the same thing as it was back then

old guest world: garbage land
new guest world: abstract dreamy looking place that serves a better purpose

I wish it looked more like the concept art though, it ended up just being hn2 full game bg house land 😭

[shell gull]

Oh, he worded it as A church in RB, so I just clarified it’s THE church in HN2 exactly.

[muted moon]

not guest world

those are just the weird sideways and upside down ones from the guests pov in hnvr

[strange lance]

Its still called guestworld

🤷‍♂️

[muted moon]

the map called guestworld is the one used for the guests pov

its not THE guest world, its the guests version of the dream world

[strange lance]

The dream world is still his world so its basically the same thing 🤓

[muted moon]

how is it his world?

its more like the neighbors world

the neighbor pretty much controls everything

[strange lance]

You're asking how the dimension that the guest resides in and has crow feathers everywhere is the guests world

[muted moon]

the world where the guest is hiding from the neighbor

the cameras get the guest caught by the neighbor

only when the neighbor is powerless is the neighbor scared by the guest

[strange lance]

Technically its both of theirs. Its a distorted place with a bunch of teds things, and he does have a powerful prescene there as he can go there whenever, but its shown in gn2 that its the guest whos been filling the place up

[muted moon]

that would probably work

also guest world was probably meant to be in hn2 in early 2022

so dream world might be guest world

[ripe berry]

ah
so Guest World wasn't scrapped due to the change in writers then
got it

[ripe berry]

that's true

[ripe berry]

and when the Neighbor's Powerless the files switch to calling everything a Nightmare

I know this since MouseFlash showed a image with like 20 files with Nightmare in the name that he said relate back to the final Chase

(also I went from saying the Dream World isn't Guest World to trying to prove that it is last night since I'd say to be a proper theorist you have to at least think about what the other side would claim)

also the files use things like "DreamDoors" "Dream2" etc to refer to the Dream World
it IS somewhat named in the files lol

calling it Dream World isn't a stretch when it's already referred to as a Dream

[unkempt sleet]

is this canon

[ripe berry]

THE FLA-

why is this one clip a meme now

[unkempt sleet]

its the face and how he says it

it's so funny

[ripe berry]

also the name doesn't help
bro's just in pure joy while talking about something literally named the FLAMES of DISASTER
which also fits just about any context with fire

yeah no
it actually makes sense it became a meme

[ripe berry]

yeah Diane dying is still a sad scene

[ripe berry]

I still don't think everything that occurs in Guest World from HNVR is 100% real
I mean it's a dream world so most stuff would only happen mentally
But as I said everything in the Dream World has a effect on the Real World
and vice versa

[snow mauve]

Diane died HAH

[ripe berry]

she died in the flames of disaster

[silver vine]

The car exploded

But then how is it functional later

[thorn rover]

Its shown that in HN 2 he is fixing his car

So mayhe he was fixing it also earlier

[ripe berry]

yes Wade, the Flames of Disaster

[shell gull]

Ok, I can finally talk more in this Channel, so anything to talk about, any theories or speculation?

[ripe berry]

yo uh Guest World's not named "The Nest"
the Official Name is "The Outskirts"

#old-rbo-discussion message

Attempt to write a short description for Guest World to use when introducing people to the lore:
The Outskirts, the Home of the Guest, it's Nest if you will.
A place where Dreams and Reality can interact freely
everything that occurs on one side is able to affect the other through the Outskirts, the Guest's World.

[strange lance]

I think you're forgetting thats what is used to be called

[ripe berry]

pal
calling it the Outskirts doesn't affect a thing
it's a name
a name that the short description I wrote makes work
Guest World is "The Outskirts" of Reality, not quite Real, not quite a Dream, but somewhere in-between
it also doesn't change it's a home for the Guest, a "Nest" if you will

they don't name-drop it ever
only the temp "Guest World" name or Regina referring to a SECTION of it as a "Nest"

so until a proper name is given The Outskirts works better then calling it Guest World or taking a random kid's first thoughts about a section of it as the official name

[strange lance]

bro all I said was thats not what its called anymore

[ripe berry]

I get that
I just want to have a proper name to call it that isn't a temp name or only referring to a section of the place

[strange lance]

instead of using a scrapped name for a old version of this place, I'd rather use names that actually apply to this new version of guest world that are in official media. You got "dream world" cause its referred to as "dream" in concept art and files, you got Regina calling it a "nest" because its a collection of a bunch of things, and you have guest world cause its the guests world

outskirts was for the original version of guest world

it should not be used

as cool as it sounds

[unkempt sleet]

Dream World

[ripe berry]

Guest World is "The Outskirts" of Reality, not quite Real, not quite a Dream, but somewhere in-between

[strange lance]

yes that makes sense but again its unused, and probably for a good reason since again the idea of the place changed

[unkempt sleet]

is it a physical place with this description

🧐

[ripe berry]

then you're saying they randomly changed it
came up with a entire name
then went "Na, I liked it how it was before"

[strange lance]

what?

[ripe berry]

#1246782682755760138 message

"...possible 'dream world' where Guest resides."

[muted moon]

outskirts is such a cool name

[snow mauve]

Outskirts more like Outsharts..

[muted moon]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-neighbor2-theodore-peterson-nicky-roth-gif-26023939

[snow mauve]

Sorry couldn't help myself..

[strange lance]

ok lets go through this. Dream world and guest world are just internal names and always have been. We have Nikita officially calling the original unused version "outskirts", and a character calling the new and canon version a "nest". In this situation, it is most logical to use the name that applies to the current canon version and that is spoken by a in universe character, hence why I and others use the name Nest because it just fits with what they're going for now.

outskirts sounds cool, but its not meant for this current version

[unkempt sleet]

its just a name

[snow mauve]

So true

[muted moon]

yes, but we finally have a better name for the pipe to other world version!

[strange lance]

yes!

[muted moon]

rather than calling it the pipe to other world intro

[strange lance]

that is good

[muted moon]

outskirts intro!

sounds really good

[strange lance]

it really does, its a great name, fits really well with the abandoned town looking place

[ripe berry]

I honestly don't care
I see proper official name
I use proper official name until they give a replacement

[muted moon]

outskirts!!!!

[ripe berry]

lol
would it be bad to say I think the Church/Forest has a link to Guest World?

[strange lance]

proper official scrapped name ❤️

[muted moon]

we dont know if it was scrapped

[strange lance]

nikita literally said it was called outskrits

[muted moon]

nikita also often doesnt have the best english

[ripe berry]

as Halloween said, Nikita doesn't have the best english

#1246782682755760138 message

[muted moon]

the nest isnt really an official name either anyway

[ripe berry]

here for example he doesn't say ..."of a possible" but just "of possible" when referring to a singular thing

[muted moon]

regina called it A nest once

because it was a nest

[strange lance]

and it sounds COOL

[ripe berry]

and so does The Outskirts

[strange lance]

yes I said that

[muted moon]

it doesnt really matter what you call it

[ripe berry]

Simple:
The Outskirts is used to refer to it in general
The Nest is when talking about the area the Guest uses as it's "Home" in the Outskirts

[muted moon]

no

[ripe berry]

both sides can be happy then

[muted moon]

lets just call it whatever we want

doesnt really matter

since we dont have an official new name

[unkempt sleet]

dream world

heh

[ripe berry]

like in HNVR it's The Outskirts
in GN2 the part we see is the Nest, but the entire area is still named the Outskirts

[unkempt sleet]

🐀

[muted moon]

its never actually called dream world

but maybe dark dream?

[ripe berry]

this is how I'll treat the names

The Outskirts is the General Name
The Nest is a specific part of the Outskirts

[muted moon]

hnvr guest world: dark dream
gn2 guest world: the nest
old hn2 guest world: the outskirts

[strange lance]

yeah the current guest world just does not scream outskirts to me I can't call it that lmao

outskirts fits more with empty fields, old buildings, abandoned looking stuff

[muted moon]

and hnvr fits dark dream

and theres this stuff

[ripe berry]

this would also be good
I just go with "The Outskirts" to avoid people dismissing everything in Guest World as "Just a Dream"

[unkempt sleet]

Dark Dream sounds lame

[muted moon]

its the closest thing to an official name for hnvr guest world

[ripe berry]

like what Dark Dream would lead to

[strange lance]

I use dream world and nest interchangeably. dream world cause thats what it is, nest cause bird imagery and the collections of things everywhere like a birds nest

cause despite regina calling that one part a "nest" it looks exactly the same as the one in hnvr

[ripe berry]

it also sounds like the final level in like a Sonic Game or smth

[unkempt sleet]

That is true

[muted moon]

i kind of remember some other name

for hnvr guest world

ill see if i can find it

[strange lance]

I just remember nightmare (for the guest chase) and dark dream

and then everything else is just dream "object"

[muted moon]

oh yeah nightmare

the part with bagger in guest world used a similar name too iirc

[strange lance]

names aside it looks so cool

[ripe berry]

not denying that

[strange lance]

I really wish they didn't use the hn2 bg houses tho they're quite ugly

[muted moon]

why not call it dark dream

[strange lance]

in this game

[muted moon]

the name actually fits

[strange lance]

like these are so much cooler

[shell gull]

Wth

[muted moon]

a2 bg house...

[muted moon]

old guest world is the outskirts

[ripe berry]

Nikita said so with his broken English that has already caused a debate on if that's still the name or not

[shell gull]

That kinda makes sense though, The Nest is technically and Outskirts Area of RB due to it being so tedious to get there.

That’s cool to know.

Calling it that name from now on.

[muted moon]

old hn2 guest world - the outskirts
gn2 guest world - the nest (unofficial)
hnvr guest world - dark dream (most likely)

[ripe berry]

not like names matter much anyways

it's not lore important to know if it's the Outskirts, The Nest, Dark Dream, Guest World, or whatever

all those names work basically interchangably

[shell gull]

Old HN2 and GN2 are both the same Guest World either way though since HN2 was supposed to fit under the Books due to RD being the Same Plot Idea.

[muted moon]

old hn2 guest world is different

[strange lance]

old hn2 as in old old hn2

[muted moon]

yeah

like pipe to other world stuff

[shell gull]

Ohhhh

Ok then yeah makes sense.

[ripe berry]

and reminder the very first ideas for Guest World were a more grounded-in reality version of the dream world we have today #1246782682755760138 message

(mainly because this one has actual ground by default)

[shell gull]

Makes sense.

[muted moon]

they also were probably quentin having strange dreams in the den

[shell gull]

The Nest made the most sense to me since you know, The Guest is a Bird, his home is Guest World so it’s his “Nest”

[muted moon]

this also suggests theres some other iteration of guest world from january 2022

[ripe berry]

the way I see it the general concept of Guest World has remained the same but the execution of that concept changed overtime
it's a realm somewhere... "in-between" reality and dreams that the Guest uses as it's home

PipeToOtherWorld plot leans more-so on reality

the current depiction leans more-so on dream

[muted moon]

pipe to other world is fully reality

[shell gull]

I still prefer the “Teds Mind” Concept more but a Reality In Between suites the fact it has thing from our Reality but distorted with other Outer World Things as well.

[ripe berry]

I see Guest World as a Reality in-between at least

because HNVR repeatedly calls it a dream

Regina enters after getting knocked unconscious

[muted moon]

gn2 guest world is 100% a dream

[ripe berry]

but at the same time Nicky is freed irl after freeing him inside Guest World

[shell gull]

Though the style of The Outskirts have changed frequently, while it falls under Lore sometime.

[ripe berry]

plus it fits with HN1 and the Books

[muted moon]

the portal ONLY appears after regina hits her head, and when she wakes up, shes pretty much where she was where she hits her head, and the portal is gone

[ripe berry]

Dreams in HN aren't JUST dreams
there's something more to them then normal dreams

[muted moon]

yeah

nickys dreams in the books and hn1 were definitely not normal dreams

[shell gull]

Not really, doesn’t explain how Regina dreamed The Guest plan to use and Manipulate her and be correct very coincidental, it IS a Dream World, like Little Nightmares with how kids enter Nowhere through Dreams, it’s both a Dream and Real.

[muted moon]

in either book 2 or 3 he was digging in his dream and his sleep, and later the neighbor was digging in that area

[ripe berry]

the Nightmare Sequences in HN1 show things that wouldn't make sense for a normal dream
at least in the context of HN1 Nicky didn't know any of the things he dreams about

[muted moon]

its a dream, but not a normal one

the guest literally revived her dog

[ripe berry]

dreams in HN are rarely normal
nothing is JUST a dream in HN

[shell gull]

Yeah but we’re talking about The Nest, where we see Dupe Versions of People within it, anything is possible in The Nest under The Guest jurisdiction.

[muted moon]

what i mean is he revived her dog in the nest, and then the dog appeared in the real world

[shell gull]

Then again they imply it isn’t her actual Dog.

[muted moon]

it isnt the same dog

[ripe berry]

again
like in FNaF World
everything in Guest World has a effect in the Real World

[muted moon]

but it seems to have the same memories

when regina sees it in the nest she knows it isnt flan after getting a close look

when pris gets a good look she realises it isnt flan

it acts like flan

but it isnt flan

[shell gull]

Exactly, like I said a lot of Games have similar Ideas, The Nest IMO best fits similar to Nowhere in Little Nightmares while also having similarities to FNaF.

[ripe berry]

and people can learn about things in the real world through Dreams

[muted moon]

wait was there a screwdriver in hnvr?

[shell gull]

The reason I compare Nowhere the best with The Nest is since they basically are the same for the most part, Nowhere is a Dream world while also being an Actual Place, The Nest is a Dream World while also being an Actual Place, you can enter Nowhere by Dreaming, you can enter The Nest by dreaming, but both places you can Physically find in the World.

[muted moon]

there was going to be a screwdriver at one point in hnvr

[shell gull]

As a tool?

[shell gull]

Sad that Screwdriver wouldn’t happen with the Wrench as one of the Main Tools in HN.

[ripe berry]

the way I see it at least
the version of Guest World in HNVR is basically on the "Border" of Reality and Dream
meanwhile the version in GN2 is more-so on the Dreams side

you can Enter the HNVR Version through regular doors

[muted moon]

hnvr was going to have 28 achievements

[shell gull]

GN2 was kinda the introduction of The Outskirts.

[ripe berry]

meanwhile our only example for the GN2 Version has someone unconscious when they enter

[shell gull]

By showing it Via Dream shows the Idea of the Place itself.

[ripe berry]

yeah

afk

[shell gull]

Aight

[ripe berry]

and then HNVR leans heavily on the concept of the Outskirts

[ripe berry]

and what appears in the Books and HN1 is basically purely Dreams

but due to how Dreams Work in HN They aren't normal dreams

like in GN1 Jen or whatever her name is has a dream with a picture of Mr. Peterson on a Newspaper
then the following day there's a newspaper of Ted opening a new park
or the HN1 Nightmare Sequences quite literally explaining the Past of the Peterson Family

[ripe berry]

or that one with the Dolphin Statue also in GN1
or any of Nicky's Dreams in Waking Nightmare

[shell gull]

Clear showcase of Dream Effects.

Also remember Nicky’s Self Therapy was basically him Daydreaming/Lucid Dreaming.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

like
need I say more then the Waking Nightmare Dreams?

hell
HN2

[shell gull]

True, also Trinity did Dream about being locked in the Basement by Ted before she even knew about the Basement, and also Ted dressed up as a Clown (While AS doesn’t say anything about Ted as a Clown it’s still something).

[ripe berry]

Quentin's Nightmare #3 has heavy Cult References

[ripe berry]

yeah

regardless of if AS or Books are a different timeline
I feel the implementation of Guest World would likely be the same between them

[shell gull]

Though Quentin’s Dreams I would say fit under the Lucid Dream Category since it’s how he figures out everything and we see it Via his Nightmares.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

it's more in-line with the Blood Ties nightmare from HN1 then the Car Crash one

[shell gull]

Yeah true.

[ripe berry]

the Car Crash Nightmare is basically showing 1:1 events that occurred

meanwhile Nightmare 3 and Blood Ties show things more abstractly

[shell gull]

Nicky wasn’t even there but the Pizza Truck was in his Dream

[ripe berry]

using the Crow Statue to represent the Cult or showing things in the form of a Roller Coaster operated by Aaron

there's still things that aren't 100% the same with the Car Crash Nightmare like how close the 2 locations are or the shape of the building
but it's much closer to reality

[shell gull]

Again he didn’t even know about the Fall unless Off Screen Aaron told him in the Basement but then again we don’t see that so it didn’t happen.

[ripe berry]

but you know what we do see?

[shell gull]

?

[ripe berry]

Nicky watching a tape that goes from Mya on a roof to Aaron calling himself a monster

it's easy to piece together something happened on that roof

[shell gull]

Ohhh yeah that’s true, forgot about that.

[ripe berry]

and the most logical thing would be pushing her off the roof

[shell gull]

Jeez Nicky really must be Traumatized seeing that.

[ripe berry]

again even if Books and Games are 2 different timelines
there'd be details crossing over

also about the Pizza Truck Thing

are we forgetting Nicky read a article about Diane's Death in Missing Pieces?

it's even included in the HND version of the Book

[shell gull]

Imagine just seeing a VHS Tape of your Friend accidentally kill his Sister and then slowly go crazy in front of your eyes.

Nicky needs an Adult.

[ripe berry]

you'd think the Article about the death would mention it was a Car Crash between two vehicles

[shell gull]

Did it talk or show the Pizza Truck?

[shell gull]

True true.

[ripe berry]

I don't remember 100% but also

we don't even know it was a truck that hit them
it could be Nicky's Mind filling in the gaps because

in HN1 Act 1

behind the Inital Spawn Point

one can see what looks like another Car Crash between a Truck and a Car

[shell gull]

Huh.

Yeah Nicky’s Mind filling in the Missing Pieces (No pun intended) makes sense.

[ripe berry]

(Car's Off-screen in this picture)

[shell gull]

Weird.

[ripe berry]

I only even know the Green Car is there bc I looked at it myself in-game to verify it's real since I learned about it (and got this image from) the HN Russian FANDOM Wiki

[shell gull]

Guessing the original Plan to show off the Crash was changed and that’s the remnants.

[ripe berry]

(I use looked loosely since I'm on Xbox so I can't get a good look

[shell gull]

Fellow Xbox player.

[ripe berry]

then why's there also a Green Car
it makes more sense as a separate crash from the one with Diane's Car
and what we see in the Car Crash Nightmare is Nicky's Mind using the Car Crash he had to have passed before Act 1 to fill in the blanks of his knowledge on the Car Crash between Ted and Diane

or at least currently that's what it is

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

that's why I also use the Waking Nightmare Seqeunces
because those we can directly say are things that don't make sense for Nicky to just know

[shell gull]

True.

Gtg 👋

[ripe berry]

cya!

[ripe berry]

like sure they treat it being a truck as canon
but Nicky knowing it was a truck is just his mind using what it knows already to try to fill in the blanks

with the Blood Ties Nightmare he doesn't know the specifics so it gets a lot more abstract

but the way it originally was in the HN1/HNHS only days fits with Guest World better

also Nikita said "It’s a big question. It covers a lot of stuff. Can’t answer now. What I can say, that it was called “the outskirts”"

as explaining the Guest World covers a lot of things

after all
if it's a realm of dreams

it'd cover everything from HN1 all the way to the present with HN2, HNVR, and the AS

[glad hornet]

All of HN is a dream, raven brooks doesn’t even exist

[ripe berry]

there's probably a lot of nuance to this kind of concept

even more if Guest World/The Outskirts just covers imagination in general

then every single game except RBO would be included

[silver vine]

So

Outskirts huh

[crude dew]

I think some kind of gas leaking was going on in this scene
why? we'll never know.

[inner lichen]

Old HN2, especially the alpha era

is a gigantic series of blanks

what we know most about is the intro, and what Guest World was called at that point in time

the fact it had a name, and that it was a loaded question means a lot of thought went into it

we probably aren't gonna find out for a couple years though.

[silver vine]

My question is

Why should we care this much about HN2 Alpha era

The damn full game has been released

[silver vine]

We'll most likely find out once HN2 and AS is over and guest world is established in a proper manner

[inner lichen]

because it's interesting

people care about the old HN1 Alphas still

[silver vine]

Not really

[inner lichen]

why am I not allowed to say i'm interested in this stuff?

[silver vine]

Nono, just asking

[muted moon]

we also know what episode 1 was

[inner lichen]

Okay, SO.

Quick recap

During the Alpha Era of Hello Neighbor 2 (Alpha 1 and 1.5),

the story is entirely different compared to whatever Hello Guest was, or what we know as Alpha 2 and beyond

Pipe to Other World is an unused object that's meant to be a gateway to an alternate world known as "The Outskirts" where The Guest mainly roams

The Outskirts is basically what you see in the alphas

and Raven Brooks would've been something along the lines of what you see during old A2 footage and 16 hour stream

[worn ibex]

Oh right!

So, the outskirts was essentially guest world?

[inner lichen]

Guest World, yeah

Nikita recently confirmed that it actually had a name around this time period

but there's a lot he CAN'T say about it

[worn ibex]

Huh, was it an actual pipe that led to that dimension

[inner lichen]

We don't know what it was gonna be in the end sadly

The Neighbor would've occasionally went from there, back to his house

it was a test gameplay loop, but it had a full intro sequence made

[worn ibex]

Why can't they talk about something they're not using?

Ahh

[inner lichen]

because Guest World IS technically in use

it's repurposed

for Search & Rescue

we still know nothing about it at this point

[worn ibex]

Oh I always classed that as the dream world

[inner lichen]

Alpha Era Guest World (The Outskirts) has more answers than S&R's

[worn ibex]

Does it?

Answers to what exactly?

[inner lichen]

We know where you'd access it, we have a name for the world itself, we know what it looks like outside of a house

we have more context for Guest World during the alpha era

than what we know about it now

[worn ibex]

Where would you access it?

Just through a pipe

[inner lichen]

sorry, it's getting late

but yeah

[worn ibex]

Oh sorry

[silver vine]

But then why is the neighbor's house in the outskirts as well as neighborhood

[silver vine]

Back to his house? You mean hideout?

[inner lichen]

I know the outskirts is the perception of Quentin's Mind, but

Theodore drives to it

[silver vine]

Yeah

But how

[inner lichen]

It implies it existed before Quentin arrived

Unless there's

TWO outskirts

[silver vine]

What exactly is outskirts

Nah

[inner lichen]

The Outskirts

Alpha-Era Guest World

[ripe berry]

the Guest isn't supernatural
Nikita said "The Guest was never supernatural"
Was never doesn't mean it currently is

when you say it "Was never" meant to be it means it wasn't meant to be back then and it isn't meant to be rn

[silver vine]

Yes

"was never" is different from "was not"

It can be easily confused, but they have different meaning

If he told that guest was not supernatural, it means, he was not supernatural in the past, but now he is

But no

He told guest was never supernatural

Which means it could still be relevant

[dry patio]

Its in past perfect or whatever🤓👆

[strange lance]

Thats just not true. Someone could ask if I was in a room and I could say "I was never in that room" or I could say "I was not in that room"

They can mean the same thing

Nikita is just too vauge lol

[silver vine]

In that context, it means the same

[ripe berry]

in this context They're the same
in the context Nikita is using it in they're different

[strange lance]

How so

"Was the guest always supernatural?" In reference to hg guest

"Guest was never supernatural" in response to the question

The question was spefically about the old guest

And the current guest is 100% a supernatural being. He literally has powers

[silver vine]

Mhmm

[strange lance]

He has his own dimension

He can turn into a BIRD

Lights flicker around him

Oh yeah hes just a normal guy uh huh

[silver vine]

Hmmmm

So, he was joking about nothing in RB being supernatural?

[dry patio]

🤔

[strange lance]

Look at what he said and tell he it looks serious

[ripe berry]

a DREAM Dimension where he may not even be real when we're seeing him in it

[silver vine]

Ok

So

What do you think about games, books and cartoon all being in the same universe

[inner lichen]

Neighbor for Trailer

Neighbor_Fake

Ted being kidnapped was probably The Guest coming up with something and seeing what Quentin did with that info

[strange lance]

Like one timeline?

Logically I cannot see it working but they def are all canon

Somehow?

[unkempt sleet]

mmm peak

[silver vine]

He also said multiverse is not a thing here

Yeah, they're all somehow canon

[unkempt sleet]

yea hold on let me bring the message

[strange lance]

Mayak...

Will solve...

Everything...

[silver vine]

But it's not supernatural......

:)

[silver vine]

I mean, GN2 explained mayak science

[fading herald]

the timeloops... come on...

each time loop is a different timeline...

[silver vine]

All the scientific concepts Ted mentions exist in real life

[ripe berry]

my thought is alternate perspectives

[safe charm]

Either that or time loops

[ripe berry]

Act 1's the actual event
Book 3 is Nicky remembering the Event
AS Ep. 4 is Trinity remembering the Event

[strange lance]

Mayak creating storms is all sciency like thats true. The same way teds time experiments are all sciency. But theres def some magic stuff going on in the background, especially shown in HE with the sentient mannequins and mayak sparks floating off of electricity poles and dead mannequins

Luck devices though

[ripe berry]

after all
HND's Plot quite literally is my explanation for the Books and Games' Inconsistencies coexisting with only one timeline that's in a way most of the community didn't think in a nutsheel

[silver vine]

Mannequins are robots

[strange lance]

Thats pure magic I don't see how that could be science

[silver vine]

Books confirm this several times

Robotic mannequins

[strange lance]

I'm talking about the HE mannequins

[silver vine]

They all just remain dormant

[ripe berry]

Nicky is quite literally trying to remember the past through the form of Book 1 with the text that shows up (Nicky's Thoughts) being word-for-word copies of the text in Book 1

[silver vine]

But, he has a different past in the cartoon tho?

Or does he?

[unkempt sleet]

okay so how do we explain trinity then

[ripe berry]

not really if you assume it's Trinity remembering things from the past

[unkempt sleet]

she moves in the town recently in AS

[dry patio]

If all hn media is canon how can you explain the map inconsistensies?

[unkempt sleet]

but she was there in aaron trilogy

[ripe berry]

he was a part of a Engineering Club and appeared to be a Mad-Man spouting random stuff about Ted and Peterson's Kids and breaking in a lot

[strange lance]

The HE mannequins are used in experiments in the park. Throughout the park you can find dead ones, not deactivated, dead. A lot of them have drawn tally marks, some are caged, one hung itself, and in the sandbox one has depression. These are more than just robots💔 they're people.../j

[ripe berry]

Nicky's remembering things more clearly then Trinity is

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-tell-me-where-joe-is-gif-21192928

[unkempt sleet]

but AS is from Trinity's perspective

[strange lance]

Omg hi ennard

[ripe berry]

Trinity's Perspective...
from years after the event passed

[silver vine]

Ennard is coming to your location

To scoop you

[unkempt sleet]

but she was there in Aaron's perspective

[ripe berry]

it's still her perspective
BUT
It's not in the present

[dry patio]

Micheal dont leave me here in this abandoned workshop MICHEAL

[unkempt sleet]

in Aaron Trilogy

[ripe berry]

She's not remembering as well as Nicky is

[unkempt sleet]

I am talking about AARON

Aaron trilogy is from Aaron's perspective

[ripe berry]

Aaron we have no clue how well he's remembering

[unkempt sleet]

and TRINITY she is in THERE

[ripe berry]

or if Aaron Trilogy is the actual event or smth

[unkempt sleet]

HE would have to see Trinity at least ONCE to remember her

[ripe berry]

Trinity's Memory is mixing the Aaron Trilogy Era with the Nicky Trilogy Era and filling in gaps

[silver vine]

This is all just confusing

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[silver vine]

But finally

[ripe berry]

and also somewhat a reversed order

[unkempt sleet]

That's why i think perspective thing is just not working

[silver vine]

I'm happy that old lore new lore shit is finally put in the grave

[unkempt sleet]

theyre all canon but not in a way we think

and i dont think that way is perspectives

[ripe berry]

Season 1 is the Nicky Trilogy Memories
Season 2 is the Aaron Trilogy Memory

[ripe berry]

then what the heck is it

[unkempt sleet]

I dont knooooow

we'll wait and we'll see i guess

[ripe berry]

Time Loops are out of the window as that's basically a multiverse

[unkempt sleet]

i just think with the perspectives there are some looong stretches

[silver vine]

Then did Hello actually got imprisoned or not

[ripe berry]

Perspectives have some stretches but it's the only thing outright implied in the games and official statements

[silver vine]

Not really

[safe charm]

Time loops…..

!!!!!!!!!

[unkempt sleet]

even though i dont think it's time loops, that kinda aint true

[ripe berry]

HND is quite literally the biggest piece of evidence for Perspectives

it outright shows Nicky remembering the past in the form of Book 1 (and presumably would've continued on to Book 2 and 3 had it not been canned)

[strange lance]

Time loops are like groundhog day, you're just reliving the same events over and over, not going to a whole new universe

[ripe berry]

ok fair enough I'm stupi

but Time Loops feel like a copout of sorts
then again so does perspectives

[unkempt sleet]

exactly

[ripe berry]

everything feels like a copout option

all we know is

someone was on the right track

and it's not a common theory

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-n-meme-gif-9699609461023632008

[ripe berry]

#old-rbo-discussion message

[dry patio]

How is all hn media canon if the layouts of the map are inconsistent?

[unkempt sleet]

where does Nikita even look though

does he look in lore discussion

[ripe berry]

dunno

but Perspectives is the only uncommon theory I can think of for how the inconsistencies work other then time loops

he doesn't say no one had the right idea
at most he said no one got it 100% right

and Perspectives is the thing that was said with a final product

Mayak stuff was said when Mayak as a idea wasn't even finshed yet

[ripe berry]

so the lore is destroyed

[silver vine]

It's not

[ripe berry]

We have to make AS, Books, Games, and Neighbor's Notebook fit together

[steady nest]

Canon not in the way we think, and its not a multiverse thung

[ripe berry]

yeah

Perspectives somewhat makes sense but also feels more like a headcanon then fact

and Time Loops feel like a cop-out

[steady nest]

I would rather say different ways to tell the same story

[ripe berry]

the inconsistencies, at least a one point in time, were intended to have a lore explanation

Mayak was going to explain everything at one point

[steady nest]

I believe mayak will still explain everything

[ripe berry]

so I'd think there has to be a lore reason for the problems in the timeline

[ripe berry]

most likely time loops then

[silver vine]

What's a cop out

[ripe berry]

both time loops and perspectives have their evidence

[steady nest]

Nikita never said the lore was changed

The guest may still be not supernatural

The guest may be natural

[ripe berry]

basically in this context it's avoiding giving something a proper answer

[ripe berry]

except he outright did lol

[steady nest]

Maybe. Time repeating over and over again and some aspects ate changed

[steady nest]

Where

[ripe berry]

he explained Guest World had a different concept then it did in the Alpha Era

[steady nest]

Maybe i missed the message

Can somebody send it

[safe charm]

Thats just

[ripe berry]

thus the logic can extend to other things

[safe charm]

Scrapped ideas

Its like that for every

Media

Things get Changed During development

Of a product

[silver vine]

He also told nothing in Raven Brooks is supernatural, but PPL now think he's just joking

[steady nest]

Nikita doesn't MAKE JOKES

[silver vine]

Tell that to mouse

[ripe berry]

quite literally this message says not everything from old lore ideas applies to the current lore #old-rbo-discussion message

[silver vine]

He's the one who convinced everyone that grand is joking

[ripe berry]

because it breaks the lore if he isn't

[silver vine]

Or does it

[ripe berry]

Luck Devices
Time Loops
etc.

everything from Book 3 onwards has something supernatural (minus SN)

[silver vine]

Now this is the new act 3 dream argument

[ripe berry]

explain literally everything supernatural from Book 3 Onwards

Ghosts in GN1
Luck Devices
Time Loops
the Purple Storms
The Guest
Guest World
Alternate Dimensions

[safe charm]

Also i do believe guest has an identity

[ripe berry]

The Coins in AS

[silver vine]

Frank

[ripe berry]

there's too much stuff to say there's NOTHING supernnatural at all

for goodness sake the Mayak Pit

if that thing isn't supernatural Idk what is

[steady nest]

I think we should be approaching this in a more silent hill way

[ripe berry]

?

[steady nest]

Where characters are representation of a persons thoughs and feelings

Now how the outskirts would appear to one person may be different from how it appears to another person

[astral agate]

Are we talking about the guests identity?

[steady nest]

This is what i think

[ripe berry]

we're discussing quite a bit

[ripe berry]

Same thing's true for the Guest right

[steady nest]

Nikita said the goose represents a part of Quentins feelings, and the outskirts would revolve around those feelings when it comes to Quentin only

But i think that the guest world (or outskirts) would be different to another person

[ripe berry]

like the HN2 Guest is a person pretending to be the Guest
AS Guest is how Trinity sees the Guest
GN2 Guest is how Regina or Ted see the Guest
HNVR Guest is how the RS or Aaron see the Guest

[silver vine]

Quentin suffers from yellow press

I wonder if it's still canon

[ripe berry]

HN2 Guest is clearly physical

but the other Guests are either mental or a person

[steady nest]

Maybe idk. Maybe this is why in gn2 the guest takes the form of that girl when talking with regina

[ripe berry]

actually wait yeah

Regina sees the Guest as a goopy creature that morphs into something causing her agony, her final encounter/words with her sister

[steady nest]

But one thing doesn't really fit into this

[ripe berry]

Ted sees the Guest as a variant of the Park Mascot for the GAAP where he let a kid die on one of the rides, representing all the kids who died at his parks

[steady nest]

We know for sure that the guests thing is appreciating and taking stuff that are no longer appreciated

And this doesn't change from person to person

[ripe berry]

something that causes him Agony

[silver vine]

Now we have other guests?

[ripe berry]

the Guest is consistent
but how it appears is different

[ripe berry]

if the Guest isn't supernatural we kinda have to have that

[silver vine]

No

There is only one guest

[ripe berry]

Guest does "supernatural" things in GN2 tho

[steady nest]

I dont think its a matter about appearance, since he appears to Quentin, ted, regina the same

[silver vine]

The supreme deity

[ripe berry]

he forms from water

[silver vine]

Children

[silver vine]

Metaphorical

[ripe berry]

yeah
there's the real Guest from HN2

[steady nest]

Nikita just cooked so hard with the guest that its too difficult to figure out

[ripe berry]

then there's the fake Guests that are representations of something

[silver vine]

Ah come on

[steady nest]

Now i get why alex said "lore started making 0 sense on the goose"

[silver vine]

Now we have fake guests

[steady nest]

AS will explain everything

[ripe berry]

no other way to rationalize GN2 and HNVR

[silver vine]

Thankfully

[ripe berry]

without a supernatural Guest

[silver vine]

It's all the same guest man

[ripe berry]

the GN2 and HNVR Guests are representations of something

what it represents is consistent

but technically because they're different people seeing it it counts as a different being

it's the same Guest at it's core, but slightly different from person to person

[silver vine]

I'm actually really interested in the whole HN2 guest world representing yellow press story

I wish it made it to full game

[ripe berry]

HN2 Guest is someone letting whatever the Guest represents control them while they pretend to be a deity for the Cult

[silver vine]

They don't pretend

[ripe berry]

likely the Guest is some kind of representation of Agony or Suffering
Pain or Loss

[silver vine]

It's just the guest man

[steady nest]

Ok now i REALLY get why alex said guest lore started making 0 sense

That goose its complications

[ripe berry]

bingo

the Guest makes no sense if you think about it

[silver vine]

Tell whoever you want

They'll never believe you

[ripe berry]

there's the physical being in HN2 but also the mental being elsewhere

[astral agate]

I'm confused

[steady nest]

We know the goose aint supernatural

[ripe berry]

likely originally these two had no connection to each other, making it even more confusing

[astral agate]

Can someone recap me on what we are discussing?

[steady nest]

So the goose in hn2 will have a close tie to Quentin

[ripe berry]

Guest Lore

[steady nest]

Read the rbo chat

[ripe berry]

and the hell around the Guest not being Supernatural

[dry patio]

The confusing mystery of guest lore!!!!!

[silver vine]

Mike is just coming up with some random shit

[ripe berry]

not random
ok yeah it's a bit random
but it's in a attempt to rationalize everything

The Guest isn't supernatural

[astral agate]

Hmmm...

[steady nest]

What i think is that if we get a patch 10, its story will not focus on the cult and mayak. What i think is that the story will do the same thing hn1s story did and that is focusing more on the protagonist rather than the bigger story

[astral agate]

May I chime in with my theory?

[ripe berry]

yet the Guest in GN2/HNVR does things impossible for a normal person to do

[dry patio]

Indeed

[ripe berry]

but the Guest in HN2 does things impossible for a being that isn't real to do

[astral agate]

OK so the guest has existed for centuries right?

[safe charm]

The urban legend

[steady nest]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

and Reset Day too but you get my point

[astral agate]

What if the guest isn't the same guest

[silver vine]

I hope the yellow press stuff return in some way, but I don't think it will

[dry patio]

As a godlike figure

[astral agate]

As in the guest that first appeared isn't the one we encounter

[silver vine]

Alright everyone

[steady nest]

What is yellow press

[silver vine]

STOP

[astral agate]

It's multiple generations becoming the guest

[silver vine]

I want to talk about the HN2 Alpha guest world yellow press story

[dry patio]

A mantle?

[silver vine]

It's a term in journalism

Nikita just told

[astral agate]

What's that?

Nvm

[safe charm]

No i Think theres only one guest

[astral agate]

Yeah

A mantle

[safe charm]

I just Think the hnvr sruff is metaphorical

[ripe berry]

the Cult has one "Guest" deity
but there's also the "Guest" entity similar to the Thing that only exists mentally
only way I can think of to rationalize the Guest's behaviors unless HN2 isn't real

[silver vine]

It's basically overly exxagerating headlines to trick PPL into reading news

[astral agate]

Another idea is the guest existing for centuries is a outright lie

[silver vine]

Oh my goodness just STOP

[ripe berry]

Either HN2 isn't real or there's 2 Entities we call the Guest

[safe charm]

Well the urban legend has

Existed for ages

[silver vine]

STOP

ALL OF YOU

STOP

RIGHT THERE

STOP

Just

STOP

[astral agate]

Fair

[silver vine]

Now

Guest world was supposed to represent Quentin's mind/yellow journalism

[astral agate]

But what if its made up. Like someone said "he's existed for a long time" but in reality he hasnt

[silver vine]

Can you STOP

[astral agate]

Now fair warning. I have zero proof to back this up

[silver vine]

But then, the neighbor was supposed to drive to guest world

How does that make sense

[ripe berry]

it's not real
simple as

[astral agate]

The gaap mascot has to mean something for the guest tbh

[ripe berry]

Quentin is making up the entire thing

[astral agate]

Like why does he looks like him. To poke fun? To warn children about the guest?

[silver vine]

Basically, just like how in HN1, Nicky deals with trauma, in HN2, Quentin was supposed to deal with yellow journalism

[dry patio]

What if guestworld is the guests vision and that he has a mental disorder that makes him see distorted objects (a joke thoery)

[ripe berry]

so he moves Ted into the Yellow Journalism realm thing where he can have more fantasical stories with him

[silver vine]

No, The neighbor drives from real world, to the guest world

[ripe berry]

So does Quentin

The Thing in Act 3 of HN1 shows imagination and reality can be layered on top of each other

so we NO WAY of knowing what is and isn't real here

[silver vine]

And so does almost every HN game

[ripe berry]

the Pipe likely just leads to another part of the town

[silver vine]

The outskirts

[ripe berry]

but Quentin IMAGINES it leads to Guest World

[silver vine]

Nono, there's no other world

Guest world is just a representation of Quentin's yellow journalism

[ripe berry]

where Ted is secretly planning something and appears to be "kidnapped" by a entity

[ripe berry]

yet you yourself said characters drive there

only explanation

[silver vine]

Yes

[ripe berry]

the Pipe doesn't actually lead to Guest World

Quentin just IMAGINES it does

[astral agate]

So quentin is crazy?

(Joke)

[silver vine]

It leads to the outskirts

[ripe berry]

hence things immediately getting more fantasical when Quentin goes to Guest World

[dry patio]

Quentin could be autistic

[ripe berry]

with Fake Teds and Kidnapping Plots involving weird Bird Men

[silver vine]

And the park is in the outskirts, so, basically, the neighbor drives to the park

[dry patio]

Or has a mental disorder

[silver vine]

So, all those stuff weren't real?

[ripe berry]

well duh
are the Act 3 Extensions actually there in 2017 as Act 3 is occuring?

No.

plus

[steady nest]

That seems very hn2

[ripe berry]

it literally sounds like something you'd hear in a headline

[silver vine]

It can't just be all "made up"

[ripe berry]

it's made up but also represents something for Quentin

[silver vine]

But then what was Theo's story

What was he up to

In alpha HN2

[steady nest]

AS will explain some stuff

[ripe berry]

The Fake Ted is a representation of the Yellow Press stuff itself

[silver vine]

Sure it will

But we're talking about stuff thats scrapped here

[ripe berry]

it's quite literally taking someone who's not Ted and presenting as if it WAS Ted

[safe charm]

My theory for the guest currently is that he might be the original forest protector

Like the one that inspired

[silver vine]

Nah

[safe charm]

The cult

[ripe berry]

and he specifically has a camera representing Journalism

[dry patio]

Wait if hn2 and AS are linked then how was mr peterson able to find aaron again and bring to musuem

[safe charm]

We do not know

Yet

[ripe berry]

he's quite literally THE Representation of Yellow Press Journalism

[steady nest]

Now thats a pretty good question

[silver vine]

Aaron most prob just stayed in the house

Since he'd get killed by the cult if they find him

[ripe berry]

making people into something they're not

Neighbor_Fake obviously isn't Ted

[dry patio]

The police was also there tho

[silver vine]

The house in AS is basically a skyscraper

[ripe berry]

but Quentin's MAKING him into Ted

[silver vine]

He could've easily hidden anywhere

[dry patio]

But that also makes another inconsistency

[ripe berry]

the Guest in Alpha HN2 likely is some representation of the part of Quentin that wants to tell the truth, to lock away the lies and face reality

meanwhile Neighbor_Fake is the part that wants to spread these fantastical lies

what Ted's actually doing in Alpha HN2 isn't important to the Story it's trying to tell

[silver vine]

HN1 was dealing with trauma
HNHS was dealing with loss
HN2 was supposed to be dealing with yellow press

[safe charm]

Also it now makes sense why adam and Alex sorta implied he has an identity

Especially alex

[silver vine]

How

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

(Adam was told the identity)

He Said so

And he Said identity

[silver vine]

It's the neighbor

[dry patio]

Its frank

[safe charm]

At one point defenitly now unless theres some time loop thing going on

No

[silver vine]

GN2

[safe charm]

True

[silver vine]

Guest world represent Quentin's desire to avoid yellow press?

[ripe berry]

there was two sides to Quentin in this story
the side that wanted to avoid reality and tell these fantastical stories (Neighbor_Fake)
and the side that wants to face reality and tell purely the truth, locking the fantastical side away (Guest)

[dry patio]

The guest was showed after mr peterson destroyed quentins car window running around the town this is in the opening cutscene in hn2 or it could be a hallucination

[silver vine]

Ah, it does make sense

[safe charm]

The only way the Neighbor can be the guest is if theres a time loop or something

Which is a possiblity

[white fjord]

اَلسَلامُ عَلَيْكُم وَرَحْمَةُ اَللهِ وَبَرَكاتُهُ

[silver vine]

But then how would Theo's story come into play

[ripe berry]

Guest World is a representation of Yellow Press in General
the Guest was the desire to avoid Yellow Press

[ripe berry]

we dunno

we only have the first chapter of the story

[steady nest]

The goose

Is too complicated

[ripe berry]

it's like trying to piece together HN1's Story with only Act 1

[white fjord]

What's going on guys

[silver vine]

So basically

[ripe berry]

discussion of HN Alpha stuff

[dry patio]

Thats exactly it

[steady nest]

I wonder how did those things move over into current hn2

[ripe berry]

if we had more to the HN2 Alpha Story we could answer the question of how Ted's Story fits in

but we only have the first part of it

[white fjord]

I heard that the company is about to be bankrupt

[silver vine]

In HN2 Alpha days, goose was supposed to represent Quentin's desire to avoid yellow press

But the downside is that it would make the guest limited only to Quentin

[pale urchin]

The stock for tinybuild is growing a bit

[safe charm]

In the hn2 alphas guest being a person makes perfect sense

[silver vine]

Like how the thing was to Nicky

[silver vine]

Good

[safe charm]

Now its a bit confusing to say the least lol

[steady nest]

The guest was definitely related to the neighbor as well

[white fjord]

Heard they are raising a fund of 12m

[silver vine]

Yes

[dry patio]

So its frank

[silver vine]

It was the mascot of the park he built

Guest haunts neighbor as well

[steady nest]

i wonder how did those things move to current hn2

[silver vine]

They changed the guests story a bit now

[pale urchin]

Atari funded tb

[silver vine]

I don't think he's Quentin's desire to avoid yellow journalism now

[white fjord]

Ataris still alive 🤌??

[ripe berry]

Quentin slowly succumbs to doing Yellow Journalism as he unlocks the Attic

ending with the HN2 Announcement Trailer Scenes where the Guest is burned and gone... but at what cost?

[silver vine]

It showed Theo burning guest

Not Quentin

[ripe berry]

that bit I can't explain

[silver vine]

It was Buff Neighbor

[ripe berry]

maybe Guest World Theodore represents something too

perhaps a representation of Quentin himself?
after all Neighbor_Fake is also represented as a version of Theodore
And at one point we know the Guest would also look like Theodore under the mask

but that feels weird having Theodore himself represent something with Quentin

MitH maybe since we have no proof he was real in that time period

[safe charm]

I still Think guest was the Neighbor back then

Even if he might not be now he defenitly was back then

[ripe berry]

not in the HN2 Alpha Era
but in the HG Era yes

[pale urchin]

Yep

[safe charm]

No alex Said

It in the post mortem

He Said We needed to show that it is the Neighbor

[white fjord]

What are they doing nowadays

[ripe berry]

with the HN2 Alphas?

[safe charm]

Announcement trailer

When the shot of the Neighbor burning the mask

Showed up

[ripe berry]

but that makes no sense with how the plot was going with the PipeToOtherWorld Storyline

Guest World was fake and Guest and Neighbor_Fake were basically two different sides of Quentin
Neighbor_Fake, the side that wanted to avoid reality and tell fantastical stories, represented by someone who clearly isn't Mr. Peterson pretending to be Mr. Peterson while holding a camera, a obvious Journalism nod
and the Guest, the side of Quentin that wants to face reality and tell purely the truth, locking the fantastical side (Neighbor_Fake) away in the Attic

like how the Thing is Nicky's Fears

[dry patio]

The guest is quentins doubts

[ripe berry]

the Guest and Neighbor_Fake were different sides to Quentin

[ripe berry]

that'd fit too

either way the Guest was not literally Mr. Peterson in PipeToOtherWorld Plot

[pale urchin]

They are doing well for now

[ripe berry]

MitH likely also represented something related to Quentin in HN2 Alpha Plot, but I'm not sure what

anyways back to "so what the hell is the Guest now"

[silver vine]

He has more effect on the franchise now

He's the overarching antagonist of the entire franchise

[ripe berry]

if the Guest isn't supernatural
either A. HN2 isn't 100% real
or B. there's 2 things both referred to as the Guest
a physical person, leader/deity of the Cult, and the mental version in GN2/HNVR, likely some representation of agony, pain, and suffering

[silver vine]

B isn't possible

There's only one guest

[ripe berry]

so then all of HN2 Chapter 2 is fake

[ripe berry]

proof?

[silver vine]

....

[ripe berry]

this is what you're admitting if you say there's only one Guest

[silver vine]

It's The Guest

[ripe berry]

and most of HN2 Chapter 1 is fake too as the Guest is the one leading Quentin from place to place

[silver vine]

Have we even seen anything of chapter 2

[ripe berry]

LayoutV2

Patch 9

Ruined Town

Crowman Shelter

yeah we have

[silver vine]

There's is only one guest

Period

[ripe berry]

then HN2 is not real

simple as

[silver vine]

It is real

[ripe berry]

you can't have your cake and eat it too

either HN2 isn't real
or there's 2 Guests

nothing else works

[tribal talon]

how can hn2 be not real

[silver vine]

HN2 is real and there's only one guest

[ripe berry]

false

[silver vine]

Idk what you're on man

[ripe berry]

the Guest does things it can't do if it's real in GN2 or HNVR

the Guest in those games either has to not be the same as the Physical being in HN2

[silver vine]

It does things in AS as well

[ripe berry]

or there is no physical being, thus HN2 isn't real

[silver vine]

Control crows

[ripe berry]

ah yes, AS

[silver vine]

Turn to crows

[ripe berry]

the thing that constantly has inaccuracies with every other piece of HN Media

the thing MOST LIKELY to be Fake/Not 100% real

[dry patio]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2-gif-26638420

[ripe berry]

and you use it as the smoking gun?

[silver vine]

Why you hatin the cartoon now 😭

[ripe berry]

not hating on it

[dry patio]

Hn lore be like

[ripe berry]

just saying in canon it can't be used reliably as evidence when it's likely mostly imagination anyways

or the Crow Thing is a Coincidence

because the Guest is not supernatural

you can't have the Controlling Crows in AS and the Not Supernatural co-exist

[silver vine]

Is it confirmed that it's mostly imagination

[ripe berry]

one has to go

[ripe berry]

Act 3 House literally just existing:

[silver vine]

Dude.... we've talked about this

It's real

[dry patio]

There is also the fact that the crows lead you to the next house in HN2

[silver cargo]

Okay, I've read too many HN theories now and it's getting confusing, I'll try to make my own guess.

Well, maybe it is absolutely correct that all HN media is canon and that supernatural stuff does not exist.
Hello Neighbor games, series and books are not all "experienced" or narrated by the same person.

What I mean by that is that everyone experiences, understands and perceives the world in which they live differently.

Simple example: Is your red my red or is it your blue?

It could be that the people who actively participated in the events of HN passed on their experiences.
Well, everyone tells their story/experiences differently because no one perceives the same thing, some people notice more or fewer details, some people add details or change them, or some people interpret experiences completely differently.

Maybe the Guest managed to convince people that he has supernatural powers. And maybe someone has interpreted Nicky's stories differently and is of the opinion that Nicky was never friends with Aaron (this could explain AS).

What I mean is, everyone experiences and absorbs stories differently than they are and tells them differently.
I mean, in the books and HN1 we actively play Nicky and his experiences, but in AS we see a continuous story without going into the point of view of a specific person.

I hope it is understandable what I am trying to say.

[ripe berry]

again
with the "Guest is not Supernatural" thing
either AS and HN2 are fake
or there's two Guests and the controlling crows is just coincidences

(not directed at the post above but the post above that (from SoundGZ/tinyCrow)

[ripe berry]

can't have your cake and eat it too

one of the two things have to go

[silver vine]

We'll just have to wait and see

[silver cargo]

So basicly, the Hello neighbor medias are the same story expirienced differently by every person.

[ripe berry]

it's either AS/HN2 aren't entirely real
or there's more then one Guest and the Controlling Crows is a coincidence

[safe charm]

I Think we should just

Wait

Lol

[silver vine]

So, you say HN2/AS can't be real because it has supernatural guest

[safe charm]

2 guest is just NO

[dry patio]

https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-hello-neighbor-secret-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-engineer-gif-6467460713586364034

[safe charm]

One guest is enough for me

[silver vine]

But then how do you explain the luck magic from the books

[dry patio]

This is what we should do

[ripe berry]

there's a difference

Nikita was serious about Guest never being supernatural

he was being sarcastic about nothing in HN being supernatural

[silver vine]

He was talking about HG version of guest

I think

[snow mauve]

Disgusting

The punchable gif..

[silver vine]

Just read reset day

[snow mauve]

NO

[ripe berry]

I wish he would at least clarify which Guest he was talking about

[snow mauve]

Nuh uh never again

[silver vine]

Blud does unbelievable stuff

[strange lance]

Its not that complicated imo. theres one guest and he just changed over time conceptually. He went from normal guy (?) that did weird things to the powerful entity that he is now.

[silver vine]

But we did manage to find out what the guest was in HN2 alpha

I think

[strange lance]

you mean like, hn2 alpha 1/1.5?

or HG

[silver vine]

.

Alpha 1 1.5

[strange lance]

oh yeah by then he wasn't a normal guy anymore

[silver vine]

HN2 was basically supposed to be dealing with yellow press

Like how HN1 was about dealing with trauma

And how HNHS was about dealing with loss

[strange lance]

I wish that wasn't scrapped

[silver vine]

Me too

[strange lance]

all quentin does now is be crazy guy

[silver vine]

I actually really love this yellow press story, but I can clearly see why they scrapped it

PPL would yet again complain "nothing is real"

They basically did that for Alpha 1.5

[pale urchin]

Those people who complain are liberals. Remember, games are meant to be an escape from reality, that's why people play games that are made with fantasy

[inner lichen]

I had a theory, and this might sound deranged, but I really don't mind

I believe that Hello Neighbor 2 was created indirectly as a response to HN1's "Nothing is Real" criticisms.

[snow mauve]

I'm gonna..

[inner lichen]

And that the game's REAL goal was to provide the truth behind Act 2.

Think about it. You have a story that's all about the dangers of Yellow Press. Quentin in the old story has a side that actively wants to sensationalize articles, and tell lies.

Act 2 was a distorted memory made from trauma.

However, Quentin CAN provide the truth behind Act 2.

It's happening RIGHT NOW ingame, and he can still report it.

But he needs to confront his inner demons in order to give US the truth.

[silver vine]

Yeah, so basically the the first part of current HN2 happens in the middle pr near the end

[verbal bobcat]

so was the guest section of the game meant to be that

like before he was cut and dev changes

[inner lichen]

Not The Guest directly. Neighbor_Fake is theorized now to be Quentin's "other side"

The Guest probably had a much bigger role planned out

[ripe berry]

you know what
yeah
Imma just ignore the Supernatural Statements since they both make no sense or overcomplicate things

[ripe berry]

I'm pretty confident on this at least

[strange lance]

you could just ask nikita about neighbor fake too

he'll probably answer

[ripe berry]

(I was the one to suggest the Neighbor_Fake thing first)

[verbal bobcat]

does this mean the man in the hat was also the yellow press thing

[snow mauve]

Missing Journalist 🧐

[silver vine]

There is one problem with this theory

Two actually

One is MITH

We don't know what'd be his role

Second is, open world Raven Brooks

You were supposed to explore the town

Explore all the residents

In one of the interviews in November 2020, Nikita told that there will be many locations in Raven Brooks, and each location will be like it's own act

Instead of being act 1 2 3

There's also another problem with michealhuffs thoery

Just throw away the two guest theory

[strange lance]

hot take, HNs lore is more confusing than fnafs. at least with fnaf I know what really happened and what didn't, with hn things are changing so much I just don't know what to believe anymore

[silver vine]

Isn't FNAF 1 a video game now

[strange lance]

no

[silver vine]

In the FNAF universe

That's what HW1 implied

[strange lance]

well yes and no

fazbear hired a indie dev to make games based off "rumors" of tragic stuff (which really did happen). But those events still happened

the indie games we never actually see

[ripe berry]

I changed things
the Supernatural statement HAS to only apply to the HG/HN2 Alphas

[strange lance]

its propaganda basically

[ripe berry]

otherwise it becomes complicated

[safe charm]

Now we need to figure this out

[silver vine]

Two words

Time loops

[safe charm]

Yeah but is the Neighbor doing it

Or the guest

And if so is the Neighbor or guest re experiencing everything

Over and over

[silver vine]

So

Yellow press story

When was it scrapped

And how do we know it was scrapped at that time

[ripe berry]

before HN2 Alpha 1 released

as Alex said the HN2 Announcement Trailer was meant to show the Guest is Ted in the Post-Mortem

and also

[safe charm]

Maybe the Neighbor actually is

Reliving everything

[ripe berry]

it's why the Neighbor_Fake Ending was scrapped

[safe charm]

2 times

[ripe berry]

also

no updates to the plot were made between Alpha 1 and Alpha 1.5 based off code remnants

[safe charm]

And thats why in Aaron trilogy he was like its happening again and stuff

Altough that can very easily just be that another one of his parks are going wrong

So its no concrete proof

At all

[ripe berry]

meaning the plot was dead in the time-span between HN2 Alpha 1 and Alpha 1.5

[safe charm]

So if time loop theory is correct

Do you Think it goes

[ripe berry]

Games -> Books -> AS

[safe charm]

I Think Books are before hn2 at least

[silver vine]

So, what was the story of Alpha 1.5

[strange lance]

there wasn't really one

[ripe berry]

it was only hints for the story

[strange lance]

mainly the ending

with ted locked away in the attic

[silver vine]

For what story

[safe charm]

Anyways Do you believe time loop theory

Mouse

[ripe berry]

the final HN2 Ending

in a way that wouldn't really be a spoiler

[strange lance]

idk anymore