lore-discussion

[shut hill]

yeaah

as well as in the AS

"ive been onto that monster for months, he needs to be sneaked on.."

[ripe berry]

and in HNVR it's implied Nicky's been investigating Ted for months outside of the events of HN1

[silver vine]

Yes

[hollow remnant]

80% wacky hijinks in trinitys room, 20% actually breaking in

sounds cool

[ripe berry]

which makes it confirmed game canon
and is actually one of the only contradictions a games-only timeline creates as far as I'm aware

because the stuff Nicky has around his room in HNVR aren't in HN1

[peak pasture]

POV: Peterson being the idiot he is letting nicky somehow escape in act 2 (you had one job)

[astral oyster]

Also how long was Nicky in the basement? It must've taken months to build all those walls

[peak pasture]

real lol

i swear sometimes i feel like peterson is stupid

[astral oyster]

Same, he steps in his own beartraps and gets stuck in walls and paintings

Also why did Aaron unlock the door for Nicky but not come with him?

[peak pasture]

POV: how peterson thinks he looks when he gets stuck in his own beartraps

[astral oyster]

Lol

[peak pasture]

Live footage of how easy it is to outplay peterson

[silver cargo]

I recommend you watching the Hello neighbor VR ending.

[muted moon]

theres also some unused ending audio

aaron was supposed to scream while being pulled away

[wicked heath]

one answer:

[muted moon]

theres another one but i forgot to export it

[swift kernel]

There's a quentins memories soundtrack

I js don't know how to send it here

I'm guessing it is like a backstory with Beatrix ig?

[muted moon]

it was used in the beta

for quentin finding myas grave

i dont think the file name is actually reffering to anything

its just a name for a track

its older than the beatrix being quentins sister story anyway

[onyx bridge]

So when does VR happen

[peak pasture]

guys

where does this fit into the lore??

[snow mauve]

Between Act 1 and act 2 of HN1

[onyx bridge]

That checks

[silver vine]

What if that story is older than we think

[tribal talon]

HELP WHAT IS THIS😭

[wicked heath]

so you see, before leaving his apartment, Nicky ate some shrooms

[onyx bridge]

Oh so THATS what the thing is
drug hallucination!

[wicked heath]

KEL???

I JUST FINISHED OMORI YESTERDAY

[onyx bridge]

SWEET

https://tenor.com/view/omori-amelia-crustrat-kel-gif-26912614

[peak pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-neighbor-hello-neighbor-enzo-esposito-bruh-gif-21387159

[gaunt current]

In some of the early concept artwork the neighbor's eyes kept differentiating hues

[hollow remnant]

is there a lore reason for why the petersons eat plain bread with spoons?

[wooden hollow]

poverty

[silver vine]

I mean

Yeah, he's unemployed

But then again, how did he have money to build a skyscraper

[onyx bridge]

Theft

that or the mayor is rich as all hell and is a conspirator

[onyx bridge]

Where is aaron during the time of act 3 in HN1

i assume we're gonna find out, but if a source already exists i wanna know

[hollow remnant]

dead probably

[onyx bridge]

Wow skill issue on his part tbh

[worn ibex]

That's wild honestly 💀

But yeah, skill issue

This is gonna sound incredibly stupid but what if he's under witness protection

[onyx bridge]

By who

its raven brooks

everyone is a criminal, even the cops are criminals

not sure they would care

[solid dew]

now list out every parallel between omori's story and hn's story
the results will surprise you

[snow mauve]

Cultists!!!

[onyx bridge]

Yes that

[onyx bridge]

Yeah except we'll probably never know if multiple real people can see thing at once

[solid dew]

it's implied the neighbor sees it too
although like something the thing is a personal manifestation of the fear/trauma
so like something it's unique based on whoever sees it

it's actually too weird that so many things are the same between these games

[ripe berry]

the Thing in HN is seen by multiple people at once as the Neighbor in SN

this can be noticed when you transform or kill him

[silver vine]

We will find out in HN2 story expansion

PPL just automatically consider he dies cuz he is not seen in the lore after HN2

[snow mauve]

I mean him dying would be the most based thing in the entire franchise

[silver vine]

....

[snow mauve]

Cuz we don't need the goober..

[silver vine]

Why

[snow mauve]

Because

Yes

Screw that crybaby

Very out of pocket

[silver vine]

So

[snow mauve]

So

[silver vine]

You want a child to die?

[snow mauve]

Well the only way to make it make sense to all of the timelines as far as we know yes

Orrrrrr he could just be the birb man

Or the hello neighbor gods just seized his existence

And act like it never happened

[strange lance]

I highly doubt theres going to be a huge time skip all the way to act 3 in hn2

Thats not something hn2 would do lets be real

[silver vine]

Nono

I'm talking about Aaron's date

*fste

*fate

Aahh

[strange lance]

Ooh

Yeah that makes more sense lol

I still think hes gonna die though, even in the AS. I just don't see him making it

[silver vine]

Why

Everyones telling he's gonna die

But why

[manic dirge]

same

Or at the very least just disappear never to be seen again

[shell gull]

I mean it makes sense Story Wise, He died in what WAS “Old Lore” so it makes sense he would again taking in the path the Story in AS is going.

[muted moon]

i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron i hate hn2 aaron

[hollow remnant]

why did they de-age aaron into being 5-7 years old in HN2

[muted moon]

idk

he should be like 13/14

maybe 15

[silver vine]

No

He NEVER "died" in "old lore"

If you're talking about HNVR, no, he wasn't killed

He was taken to guest world

And from the same game, we know that anyone can enter or leave guest world with ease

[unkempt sleet]

Delroy on his way to take Aaron back easily after the end of HNVR

[hollow remnant]

this is stupid

theres no way "guest world" is a real thing, this has to be an in fandom joke right

[wooden hollow]

It is real, but it’s also called “The Nest”

[unkempt sleet]

Not really

The Nest isn't used to name the Guest World we see in HNVR

[wooden hollow]

Fair but they’re probably the same

[unkempt sleet]

If they're the same that would mean Guest World is just a nightmare world

and aint a physical place

[wooden hollow]

Well I doubt the Guest has 2 pocket dimensions

[unkempt sleet]

There's nothing in GN2 that suggests The Nest is a physical place, Regina literally goes there after she hits her head and wakes up after the Guest World

[unkempt sleet]

I doubt Guest has any pocket dimensions, I think it's just a place inside the dreams or something like that

[muted moon]

The hnvr description calls them nightmare sequences

[unkempt sleet]

More points for the non physical nightmare world

[silver vine]

Wait what

Now when did we all decide that guest world is a non physical nightmare world

Ever since HNVR, everyone were of the notion of guest world being a physical place

[unkempt sleet]

"When did we all decide" implies everyone agrees with me, which they dont

[silver vine]

Aaron definitely doesn't die in HNVR

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think he dies too

[silver vine]

Just because he has a scrapped screaming sound, doesnt mean he's dead

That sound is SCRAPPED

[unkempt sleet]

true

[silver vine]

Meaning it's non canon

Idk why everyone just assumes the scrapped sound to be confirmation that Aaron is dead

[solid dew]

it's just him screaming
he clearly doesn't outright die

despite never appearing in the franchise again which is basically dying

[unkempt sleet]

Technically he appears in HN2

[safe charm]

Hn2

Heh

[solid dew]

despite being intended never to appear in the franchise again

[safe charm]

Anyways a question I got was the books ever intended to be canon? Early on you think

[solid dew]

well
they were canon

[safe charm]

But it contradicted hide and seek

A lot

So what was canon hide and seek or missing pieces

They do not connect imo

[solid dew]

it's minor enough to still be considered canon
hide and seek is from the point of view of a dead person maybe some of it can be taken with a grain of salt

maybe mya wanted only to focus on the positives of her life thus omitting all of the messed up parts

[safe charm]

Was Ted always messed up in the head in the books to his family? Nicky trilogy makes it seems

He’s abusive

To me

[solid dew]

ted wasn't always abusive or whatever
in fact he very infrequently is in both aaron and nicky trilogies

[safe charm]

So was Nicky just misinterpreting it?

[solid dew]

no

[safe charm]

I wonder what route AS is taking

[safe charm]

Yeah doesn’t he feel remorse in book 2

What have you done?!

He says to himself or something

[muted moon]

Im pretty sure in the aaron trilogy he is literally never abusive

[unkempt sleet]

i mean there's one time he literally tackles Aaron because he was about the answer the phone, but other than that yea that's true

[muted moon]

Something else about the aaron trilogy, is that luck device storms are very similar to hn2 storms

Luck device storms: lots of crows appear, and begin acting strange, before the sky turns purple, and a storm starts

Hn2 storm: on the days before the storm, lots of crows appear, and when the storm starts the sky turns purple

[unkempt sleet]

Luck device storms is the usual weird Raven Brooks storms so yea

[muted moon]

Purple sky

[safe charm]

In Nicky trilogy he seems way more angry towards Aaron

[muted moon]

Mayak event storm is the exact same

[safe charm]

Tbh

[muted moon]

Mayak event storm, and the hn2 storm both look like what the luck device storms look like

[muted moon]

Here's the thing: the weird storms are caused BY the luck devices

[safe charm]

Btw Halloween didn’t you say the home video

Was after gaap

Well Nicky confirms it’s not

[muted moon]

Yeah

[safe charm]

So I guess that’s an inconsistency

Cause Ted in Aaron trilogy isn’t really nuts I think

[muted moon]

He becomes nuts after spending practically all his time in the basement

(Book 6)

What if the luck coins are the AS/hn2 equivalent of the luck devices?

The same day we find one happens to be the same day a storm was supposed to happen

[unkempt sleet]

I know smh

[muted moon]

Could the coins maybe be causing the storm

How is this related

[unkempt sleet]

I think bro is trying to self promote in every channel

[silver vine]

Nono

The luck devices predict the storms and makes it worse after ritual is performed

Luck devices don't technically "cause" the storms

[unkempt sleet]

they technically cause the weird storms

[muted moon]

The luck devices worsen the storms

And turn them into the weird storms

[strange lance]

Yall Aaron does not literally get killed in hnvr immediately, hes just trapped in the Nest. He never appears in the og timeline after this ever again, he believes he deserves all of this and wouldn't want to leave. So even though theres idk food there he probably would eventually die

Also yes The Nest is a physical place, you can literally get killed in it. Its like you're trapped in a lucid dream but what you're feeling is actually real now. Reminder Delroy straight up does not have to fall asleep to enter it theres just doors to it in places

Ted certainley doesn't need to fall asleep or be knocked out for it for it

Neither does Nicky he simply just runs out of it after finding an exit

[snow mauve]

WRONG

[strange lance]

YOU'RE wrong

[snow mauve]

Nah

You're wrong

No need to be pissy

[snow mauve]

That's the B+ kid

[silver vine]

Nahhhh I don't think he dies

Nicky just walked out of guest world

What if Aaron does the same

Albeit unknowingly

[snow mauve]

But Tinycrow

He did die

no need to deny that

[strange lance]

Also for what the place is even called. Internally its always been GuestWorld, which is real old, in hnvr it gets more literal and they call it DreamWorld, and the only time a character refers to the place by anything is by Regina when she callels it a Nest

[silver vine]

Show me his corpse

[strange lance]

They are not gonna show dead bodies

Also this is a case of using your head

[silver vine]

SN pre Alpha:

[strange lance]

The alpha kids flop to the ground and are not decomposed

Also that was scrapped

[snow mauve]

Okay here's your corpse

[silver vine]

I can't believe everyone in the community just spontaneously agreed that Aaron dies

[snow mauve]

I mean it's true doe

[silver vine]

Ma boi deserves better

[snow mauve]

And it works

[hollow remnant]

its the good ending

[snow mauve]

Nah

[hollow remnant]

i like good endings

[snow mauve]

The good ending

Is him dying

[strange lance]

Aaron gets taken away by the guest into the storm, the game ends with Aaron looking through feathery portals to the real world, watching as his friends escape (he literally cannot break any window to distract ted now lol) in og hn2 Aaron is a cardboard cutout and isn't actually there, in hnd Nicky is trying to remember Aaron as no one ever "found" him.

[snow mauve]

He will get to live his happiest day

[strange lance]

Use your common sense

[hollow remnant]

yes

[strange lance]

He eventually dies

He never leaves the nest

[snow mauve]

Use yo common sense mouseflash..

[silver vine]

Ok

What happens to Aaron after he dies

[snow mauve]

Then theo

Lives

Woopie

[strange lance]

Idk he's buried by the guest or something

[snow mauve]

Or guest ate him

[strange lance]

Ted would be inside the guest at that point. Canibalism?

[snow mauve]

Or the hello neighbor gods vanished him

[silver vine]

If it's not Aaron, then who broke the window to distract hello?

[ripe berry]

Idk the Nest has infinite space in it he's just floating in a spot not shown in GN2 because there's walls

[hollow remnant]

aarons death has nothing to do with the guest you silly billys

he gets ran over

[ripe berry]

Guest or Retcon

[strange lance]

In hn1 it was Aaron but that was retconned in the og timeline

So nobody

[snow mauve]

TRUE

Aaron dies by

[hollow remnant]

not by anyone important

[silver vine]

And then retconned back into the timeline

[snow mauve]

Thanos snapping his fingers

[hollow remnant]

just a random guy

who ran him over

[strange lance]

We really should not use hn1 as much anymore imo its too outdated

[snow mauve]

What is blud yapping about

Does he know?

[ripe berry]

if you want a explanation for who broke the window for this it's the Guest

[snow mauve]

Too bad it still works!

[hollow remnant]

???

[silver vine]

Too bad, it has a lot of juicy lore stuff

[strange lance]

In hn1 Aaron broke the window to distract Ted, but then the devs wanted to have Aaron do more than that in hnvr so they killed him off instead

[silver vine]

Come on.....

[strange lance]

Aaron was also gonna burn the house down which they will also probably bring back

[silver vine]

He wasn't killed

[snow mauve]

it isn't even confirmed that he died in hnvr..

[silver vine]

We now know that all games are the same timeline

[strange lance]

Do you know what killed off means

[ripe berry]

I don't believe what MouseFlash is saying but it's better to at least try to consider things from the opposite side instead of locking into one side or the other
but there's a explanation that works for Act 2's Ending scene without retconning it

[snow mauve]

Except there's 3 separate timelines!

[silver vine]

How's he in HN2 if he's killed

[snow mauve]

Which we now won't have to argue the new and old lore

[strange lance]

Hn2 is in a different timeline

[ripe berry]

and where is it confirmed that Aaron's killed off?

[snow mauve]

WRONG

[silver vine]

One for books, one for games, one for AS

[snow mauve]

It's in all timelines!

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[hollow remnant]

im so confused what about act 2's ending got retconned???

[snow mauve]

It's not..

[strange lance]

Act 2's ending got retconned a lot lmao

A lot changed

[snow mauve]

What is blud yapping about..

[ripe berry]

number 1 rule
if they don't say a character's dead or show the body (or a ghost of them) it's always possible to bring them back

[hollow remnant]

???

[strange lance]

Almost everything from hn1 was changed in future media

[hollow remnant]

barley anything has changed

[strange lance]

Because its so old and outdated

[hollow remnant]

what are you even talking about

[snow mauve]

Mouse what..

[hollow remnant]

Blud is ageist to HN1...

[silver vine]

The investors site pretty much implies that HNVR and HN2 are the same timeline tho

[strange lance]

Act 2 went from Nicky fleeing from the basement to his house to the rescue squad and Aaron saving him and escaping from an alternate dimension and then they all go to nickys treehouse to party and call the cops and no one breaks the window anymore

[snow mauve]

Aaron dies in hnvr which means hn1 is fully retconned!

[snow mauve]

Dude that can still happen just because it didn't show..

[strange lance]

I wouldn't say fully but a lot of hn1 was retconned/changed

[ripe berry]

and they never said Aaron was dead, showed his ghost, or showed the dead body
they didn't even make use of the EternalDarkness Texture or even implement Aaron Screaming when getting pulled away

[strange lance]

EternalDarkness was a placeholder stock texture

[hollow remnant]

wait they seriously did the animated series thing where nicky and the rescue squad escape at the same time

[strange lance]

It was never intended to be used

[hollow remnant]

i swear that was not implied but okay

[strange lance]

Opposite, hnvr did it first

[ripe berry]

also if we use unused stuff as evidence by that logic Nicky's the son of Mr. Peterson

[silver vine]

I'll never forgive the books for retconning Peterson putting up posters, Nicky breaking the door with 3 locks, the house not getting burned down

[ripe berry]

talking more-so about the scream with the "use unused stuff as evidence" thing

[strange lance]

I don't use the scream as any evidence

It sounded really goofy I get why they would remove it

[hollow remnant]

but i swear that was not implied in the ending am i just slow

[strange lance]

"Oh nooooo!"

No one wants to hear that

[snow mauve]

Least it's all separate timelines

[ripe berry]

odd
could've sworn the scream was a major piece of evidence back in 2023

[strange lance]

In the ending of hnvr or hn1

[hollow remnant]

hnvr

[strange lance]

? We literally see all of that happen in hnvr throughout the game?

And in the credits?

[snow mauve]

Nope..

[silver vine]

Bro, everyone was telling me back then that "there's a scrapped screaming sound, Aaron is confirmed to be killed!!!!"

[snow mauve]

No lol

[strange lance]

I'm pretty sure that was one guy

[hollow remnant]

aaron cant die in HNVR because... hes literally in HN2???

[silver vine]

Yeah?

[fading heart]

Yargh

[hollow remnant]

im so confused why is hello neighbor lore like this

[ripe berry]

(I am not saying Filenames aren't allowed to be used as evidence, just saying if the file isn't even used in the game then we shouldn't be able to treat the file as actual evidence)

[onyx bridge]

WAIT, has the house burning scene been SHOWN!?

[snow mauve]

That works

[ripe berry]

"alternate timelines"

[strange lance]

Hn2 is not in the same timeline as the other games. It literally cannot work without insane reaches

[hollow remnant]

wh

[silver vine]

The house does not burn down in the books

[strange lance]

Same with the AS

[hollow remnant]

huh

[ripe berry]

#lore-discussion message

[hollow remnant]

since when is HN2 in an alternate timeline what

[silver vine]

Then why does the investors site say that all games are the same timeline

[hollow remnant]

i swear it was games, books, animated series

[silver vine]

It is

[hollow remnant]

not games, books, animated series, also HN2 LOLZ!!!

[strange lance]

Why would they just outright say "oh yeah we made mistakes with the story this game does not connect to anything else"

[snow mauve]

Hn2 definitely belongs in both game and books timeline

[strange lance]

They're a company they are going to make it look like everything is normal

[snow mauve]

And also AS too except it's entirely different

[strange lance]

Yeah that totally works

100%

I agreeee

[fading heart]

The house continuity is confusing

[snow mauve]

Shut it mouseflash

[strange lance]

I'm glad more people are starting to realize at least the AS is in a different timeline

[ripe berry]

Ted's House is never consistent

[strange lance]

Its become more obvious

[snow mauve]

More people to realize?

[fading heart]

Same

[snow mauve]

It was already obvious enough from the start..

[hollow remnant]

hahaha what house continuity?

there is none!

[ripe berry]

I think he means people trying to connect literally anything to the AS

[snow mauve]

Right

[silver vine]

One thing you're forgetting is that we are also believing books are also different timeline

[shut hill]

3 timelines..

[fading heart]

HN WTRB-HN2 continuity

[shut hill]

Mayak split

Smh

[ripe berry]

the Mayak will explain everything statement was in 2020
so there was already 2+ timelines as early as 2020

[silver vine]

Yes

Games and books

[shut hill]

And they are all connected in a way

[strange lance]

Well I still believe they're in the same continuity because at least with the books they actually tried. And again the books say that they are directly connected and tease the next games. If the AS was more consistent even with that stupid tree I might've believed it was in the same timeline too

[shut hill]

But obviously not fully

[snow mauve]

Would you believe Franklin's entire new existence connects with every other timeline

[strange lance]

I mean nothing is really stopping Franklin from existing in other media

I just wish they used Lisa instead

[hollow remnant]

why is franklin even a thing now

[fading heart]

Idk

[snow mauve]

Man screw Lisa..

She does nothing that affects anything with theo or show any importance

But exist

[fading heart]

I guess they wanted to finally do something with the kiss of Judah painting

[silver vine]

I legit just canon believe that books are the same continuity as the games because of Nicky entering the three locked door(it was supposed to be a symbolism for his three fears) and especially because of the house not being destroyed

[silver vine]

Yes, books are canon

[hollow remnant]

would it hurt to put it all in 1 timeline

[strange lance]

You guys cannot use the "its different in hn1" excuse that game was made years ago and almost everything from it got CHANGED it is outdated! You cannot compare it to other stuff anymore

[silver vine]

HN1 is nostalgic to me bruh

[fading heart]

That would be chaos trying to figure out things

[silver vine]

What can I do

[fading heart]

Same

[hollow remnant]

just like

oh i dunno

[strange lance]

Thats like if I said Nicky has a redesign in hnvr so hn1 isn't canon

[hollow remnant]

keep it consistent

[hollow remnant]

can i just say that nicky's model in HNVR is horrendous

i hate it

[ripe berry]

this statement all but confirms they had books and games as a separate timeline purely because it was made in 2020

[strange lance]

The books are still closer to the games than the AS thats good enough for me

[silver vine]

That's what you think

[strange lance]

No thats just by using my brain

And reading

[ripe berry]

yeah I ain't denying that
Books are closer to the games then the AS is
but they're still different timelines

[silver vine]

Atleast AS has some explanations for it's rectons

[hollow remnant]

cant wait for mayak in patch 10 to directly install HNlore.txt onto your computer when you enter it

[silver vine]

Books doesn't

[fading heart]

My whole life just chsnged

[strange lance]

The AS has 0 explanations (at least rn) for any of its inconsistencies lmao

And no "different perspectives" is not a reason

[snow mauve]

Canon is truly flexible

[silver vine]

"distorted memories" is a reason

[strange lance]

Thats not a thing thats just an excuse alex has been using

What part of the AS would you even use that for

[snow mauve]

Franklin Masters Peterson

[hollow remnant]

animated series... isn't a memory of any kind tho

[silver vine]

Alex never said AS is different from games because of perspective?

[ripe berry]

Depkis no
Let tinyCrow cook

[ripe berry]

give me 10 seconds to find it

[snow mauve]

What i do

[shut hill]

Guys.. Franklin Peterson.. is a distorted memory of Lisa Peterson..

[hollow remnant]

YES

[silver vine]

Only thing he told about rectons is that act 1 is now a distorted memory/therapy session

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[shut hill]

Heh

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message

[strange lance]

Lisa transitioned I'm so happy for him

[hollow remnant]

thats so stupid

[muted moon]

Who's lisa

[strange lance]

Teds sister from the books

[ripe berry]

I found it in literally a few seconds by searching "from:alexn6427 perspective"

[shut hill]

Sister in books

[ripe berry]

it's the first result

[silver vine]

It isn't entirely false, dude had a bag on his head the whole time

[hollow remnant]

erm guys don't worry its not lore inconsistancies its just different perspectives!

[muted moon]

I thought you were talking about a real person lol

[strange lance]

Also what Alex is saying is BS because in hnvr Aaron sees the exact same thing as Nicky did in hn1 lmao.

I'm telling you its just an excuse

[hollow remnant]

yeah im gonna stick with alternate timelines

because that explanation sucks

[ripe berry]

it also doesn't work with Act 1

[strange lance]

In general don't always believe Alex

Cause he makes up crap a lot

[muted moon]

Alan lies

[strange lance]

Alan yes

[hollow remnant]

he always has been making crap up, always

[ripe berry]

there's a odd jump of 2+ months between the intro and the gameplay in the as timeline
the entire basement part of act 1 can't happen because of the final few seconds of episode 4

[muted moon]

I can't believe Alexa ceo lied!!!!

[ripe berry]

nicky's limp in ted's hands as he's getting carried

and if you say distorted memories for nicky's case that's a retcon

[silver vine]

In the games, Nicky breaks into the house many many times
In the AS, Nicky breaks into the house many many times

[silver vine]

Basically, in AS, HN1 act 1 is a combined memory of all his break ins upto ep4

[hollow remnant]

im starting to think i don't like hello neighbor lore very much...

[ripe berry]

then we're skipping over trinity's existence

[ripe berry]

or the time he broke into the school

[silver vine]

Yes, it's a retcon

Alex confirmed it

[ripe berry]

or the existence of the boarded up door

[hollow remnant]

my favorite part of HN1 act 1 were the parts where we talk to trinity over walkie talkie

[muted moon]

Games - once
Books - a few
As - constantly

[strange lance]

Nicky just doesn't remember guys. During hn1 trinity was just in his house and he never saw her

[ripe berry]

then how does he even have memories of the basement
the entire time he's limp on ted's shoulder

as shown in the final seconds of ep. 4

[muted moon]

In act 3 Nicky stole trinity house after she died of mousetrap

[hollow remnant]

is there actually anything to suggest he broke into the neighbors house multiple times before act 1 besides the now non canon old version of nicky's diaries

[silver vine]

Nicky breaks in many times in the games, he respawns and breaks in again

[ripe berry]

hnvr implies it

[silver vine]

He explores the basement after he's put into the fake room

[ripe berry]

with the little pinboard thing he has

[ripe berry]

but it's locked?

[muted moon]

A few times in the books

[ripe berry]

aka he has no way to explore?

[silver vine]

The drawn window.....

Nicky saw something in the basement

[strange lance]

Isn't that just a room, I don't think the kids explore anything else but that

[shut hill]

Yeah in the AS he has definitely been through the fake window before

[ripe berry]

but it's not knocked out of the way until maritza and enzo does that?

[strange lance]

They go straight back to the washing machine and leave

[shut hill]

It gets put back..

[ripe berry]

and what's to say it doesn't occur in that one room?

[silver vine]

He meets Aaron

[hollow remnant]

are we seriously entertaining the idea of animated series and hn1 actually just being different perspectives or

[muted moon]

Also guest

[silver vine]

Yeah

[shut hill]

And then gets suppeerrr sacred

[ripe berry]

he's just saying random words, nothing outright shows he met aaron, and again, nothing prevents this all from occuring in that one room

[muted moon]

No

[shut hill]

And turns into ptsd Nicky

[silver vine]

"I'll be your best friend"

You can't tell me that ain't referring to Aaron

[ripe berry]

nothing prevents this all from occuring in that one room

[muted moon]

He got locked in the real life fear room recreations beneath Theodores knock-off tinytower

[strange lance]

Don't we hear Nicky talking when Enzo goes up the door, I don't think Nicky ever explored the full basement

If it even exists anymore

It could just be that room in the AS

Like in hn2 fg

[muted moon]

Real

[shut hill]

Oh

[muted moon]

(That was a joke)

[shut hill]

No it wasn’t

[ripe berry]

also nicky's just close enough to the basement door in episode 5 that enzo can hear him but he can't hear enzo

[snow mauve]

The consistency is real!!!

[silver vine]

It's clear Nicky explored the basement and maybe even the skyscraper house, otherwise how does he know the way around and even know where the chute leads

[strange lance]

The only consistent thing is having a mid basement

[muted moon]

I love how Quentin arrive the act 3 house the as but the hn2 the act 1

[ripe berry]

logic i guess

you see clothes fall through a chute

[hollow remnant]

skyscraper house...what

[strange lance]

There must be a logical reason for this!

[hollow remnant]

oh

[snow mauve]

AS's hn2 is entirely different obviously..

[strange lance]

It is! Good job

[snow mauve]

I don't get a B+

Bummer

[strange lance]

B-

[ripe berry]

and this chute would have to exist on the first or second floor to connect to the basement in the first place

[muted moon]

No!!!! The act 3 house must be the kids imagination even though Theodore literally talks about the house improvements to trinities parents!!!

[strange lance]

And the photo of it literally in the police station

[strange lance]

And Ivan literally staring up at it

[ripe berry]

thus no need to explore the entire skyscraper house
he just needs to know where one staircase is and then the path to the laundry chute

and this is assuming the scene with "no way out" occurs on a floor that didn't already exist when nicky was breaking in before

and again the fake room is close enough the entrance for enzo to hear

and the rest of the "basement" is just tunnels

[silver vine]

Guys

Enough of arguing about this

[muted moon]

Don't forget them escaping using the roller coaster!!!

[silver vine]

I have a big question

[snow mauve]

Say it

[silver vine]

GUYS

[snow mauve]

I'm listening dude..

Just say it

[shut hill]

Yes

[muted moon]

Is the sosed Pete innocent??????!!?!?

[silver vine]

He is

But that's not my question

[ripe berry]

this is the one thing that prevents me from simply agreeing that the act 3 house is fake

[silver vine]

My question is

Theo is unemployed

[ripe berry]

I'd like the believe it
but that prevents that

[silver vine]

Him and his family eat bread with spoons

[shut hill]

Heh

[silver vine]

But then how did he have enough money to build a skyscraper

[muted moon]

Stealing

[hollow remnant]

yeah and he literally wears the same outfit every day

[snow mauve]

I'd imagine something like AS pilot

[silver vine]

And a roller coaster and amusement park around kt

[snow mauve]

Where he robs a bank!

[hollow remnant]

his whole family does the same too, pretty depressing

[snow mauve]

🧠

[ripe berry]

leftover money from the GAAP he didn't share because he's evil or smth

[muted moon]

He literally built an underground amusement park in the books using nothing but stolen parts from the GAAP

[silver vine]

Why didn't he feeds his family with it

[strange lance]

We seem him buy expensive tools in episode 2 I'm sure he has plenty of money

[silver vine]

Just have them plain bread

[ripe berry]

games aren't 1:1 with as so you can't use hnhs as evidence

[hollow remnant]

because hes evil

[silver vine]

I will

You can't stop me

[ripe berry]

(case in point HNVR vs Episode 6)

[silver vine]

HNHS is canon, nakita conformed

[snow mauve]

I will rip your soul tinycrow..

[ripe berry]

yeah

[snow mauve]

Nakita

[ripe berry]

to the games timeline

[shut hill]

Nekata

[muted moon]

Explain hn2 intro and AS Quentin scene

[ripe berry]

not to the AS

[strange lance]

Bread is usually eaten with soup, I don't think they were eating just bread lmao

[onyx bridge]

The act 3 house was probably based off one of peterson's works nikki actually saw at one point
but the act 3 main section is all within the mind of nikki

[silver vine]

That's how Jay calls him

[snow mauve]

Strange

[muted moon]

Naketa

[ripe berry]

i'm talking in as by the way

[ripe berry]

nowhere do they say HNHS is linked to the AS

[shut hill]

Quentin like probably doesn’t even go to the house in S2

[silver vine]

I can't see soup

I only see bread

[shut hill]

Sure his car is right in front of the house

[silver vine]

Soup no canon
Bread yes canon

[snow mauve]

I mean one of the teasers shows him leaving..

[ripe berry]

there's a "definitive lore" statement
but notably Alex doesn't directly call this "definitive lore" AS

[shut hill]

But what’s saying it’s not just a frame of the van driving past it smh

[strange lance]

The soup is usually a liqud in the bowl that you would not see

[snow mauve]

I guess this version of Quentin in the AS timeline sucks..

[ripe berry]

you also can't see the bull mug

[muted moon]

Why is there a thing drawing in theos house on a non-basement floor (couldn't of been Nicky since he was in basement)

[ripe berry]

or trinity's house

or a chair that exists in hn1

[shut hill]

False

[ripe berry]

i though you were talking hnhs

[silver vine]

You talking about HNHS?

[snow mauve]

Do you not remember?

[ripe berry]

yes

[shut hill]

Nothing is telling us it’s not him just driving past it

…

[silver vine]

The entire town in just floating in the middle of nowhere

[hollow remnant]

he shows up, looks at the house, realises hes just not built for this and leaves

peak...

[snow mauve]

I'd imagine him stopping by at theo's house then trinity being trinity by yapping nonsense and Quentin is like "bye have a great time!"

[muted moon]

Theory: Murtaugh dies of flammable overdose

[ripe berry]

go into stage 1 of hnhs
you won't see trinity's house (or if they placed a house there it's not the right color)

[muted moon]

Eats too much flammable

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[ripe berry]

but the house in the background of that frame isn't Nicky's

it's a random background house

he doesn't stop at Ted's House

[snow mauve]

Maybe you're right

[ripe berry]

he stops at random background houses, just like HN2

[snow mauve]

But again who knows

I'm just using my silly imagination

[hollow remnant]

i swear there was a teaser showing him stopped infront of the house

am i losing it

[silver vine]

He prob just drives past

[ripe berry]

it's a single image so it's not explictly him stopped there

[hollow remnant]

it didn't look like he was driving

[silver vine]

We can't comment until we see the episode

[ripe berry]

if we see a video and he stops there

[ripe berry]

yeah because it's a still frame

[silver vine]

Just looks at the town in HNHS

It's like, one very small street, floating in the middle of nowhere

[ripe berry]

they also never show the fan in hnhs

you know

a key element of a puzzle in hn1

[muted moon]

If games are 1:1 with as then Mya canonically uses an umbrella to fly down to the town

(Joke)

[hollow remnant]

this is a stupid discussion

[silver vine]

He sets it up later bruh

[snow mauve]

See this is how it's gonna start and end

[ripe berry]

ok there I was just being stupid because that would be proving a contradiction between games and not games/as

[silver vine]

Guys

I have theory

[snow mauve]

GUYS

I am bored

[snow mauve]

Say it

[shut hill]

Tell

[silver vine]

Guys

What if guest is evolved from dinosaur

[snow mauve]

The guest is a god damn dinosaur

And survived the biggest nuke yet

[strange lance]

oh ok they removed the golden apple from the nest

[shell gull]

True forgot about the whole Nest Plot thing, yeah he wasn’t killed just the First Guest Victim, but no The Nest isn’t easy to escape if your trapped there by The Guest, you can’t get out without being freed.

[shell gull]

Huh…then it’s gonna be some Off Screen shenanigans from him then, makes sense since the Focus is R.S. While HN2 is all about Quentin.

[shut hill]

He prolly goes to ask questions at bg houses

[shell gull]

Yeah, I wouldn’t be mad if he doesn’t have much of a Plot in AS, should keep his Plot in HN2, but he should still be seen a ton over the Season, I’d just love to see him off in the Background sneaking into The Bakery or some other Main HN2 House.

[snow mauve]

Man I love 3 separate timelines

Games, books, and AS!

No more old or new lore debate :>

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[shell gull]

I love Non Connected Timelines.

3 Guests 3 Teds 3 Aaron’S and Etc.

[snow mauve]

Doesn't always have to connect y'know

[shell gull]

The HN Trinity.

[snow mauve]

Like AS is entirely different than the games and books

While the games is it's own thing too while having book related stuff in it

Like HND is the game's own books version (which is why it's peak)

[shell gull]

Ik but I still think things can Connect so we shouldn’t just be bias and say Connected Timelines don’t work anymore since now AS and Books are supposed to be “Building Blocks” for the Core of the Lore which is the Games.

[snow mauve]

I don't think so

[shell gull]

Connections are still a thing.

[snow mauve]

I mean really I don't see how in the world AS can even connect with the games and books timeline together

[shell gull]

Where else will you know Luck is a thing on the Lore other than AS and the Books, you still need them in order to understand the Lore.

[shell gull]

No you don’t get it.

Building Blocks

[snow mauve]

We knew luck also exists in games

Similar to AS

We have coins as the game's own luck devices

[shell gull]

They aren’t Shared Canon Lores the Core of it all is the Games what helps build the Story is the Books and AS kinda like FNaF with the Books telling what’s the Plot and Story of the Games, pretty similar.

[snow mauve]

Yeah

But also sharing it's new thing of media

Like Franklin

[shell gull]

Exactly but where do you get the overall Lore of the Coins, you get it in AS and the Books with the Luck, AS and Books are what tell us the Lore of the Games.

[snow mauve]

He can definitely work with other timelines too

[snow mauve]

Yeah true

[shell gull]

Where else did we know that The Guest is going to Manipulate Quentin in HN2 Act 2? Well GN2 with Regina and The Guest is very similar to what we’re seeing with The Guest and Quentin.

[snow mauve]

But at times it's kinda useful to use other media just to sorta get a better understanding of the lore

[snow mauve]

Right

[shell gull]

Yeah, but they’ve already kinda confirmed that the Core of it all is the Games, that’s the Main Timeline, Other Timelines are what tell us what the Main Timeline is, since we don’t have any Voice Acting or Straightforward Story Telling we have to look at the Books and AS to know the Plot and Lore.

[snow mauve]

Yeah

Tbh I really like the idea of just using other media just to know what to expect from any new media like AS and kinda get some new stuff there just to piece the stuff together

[shell gull]

Where else would we know The Guest Personality his Motives, Teds Personality and his Motives, Nicky’s Backstory, R.S. And what they were up to during HN2, you get it all from the Books and AS.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[snow mauve]

Ted's personality has changed a lot man..

He went from friendly misunderstood guy/father

To crazy person that doesn't care what he does

To a badass tough evil dude

[shell gull]

True but to be fair they still keep that core of him being this Insane persona.

He’s always been Mentally Unstable across the Lore, so I see that as his Core.

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[shell gull]

In AS he’s Insane taking everything too far but knows what he’s doing, in the Books he’s dealing with a lot of Sorrow and mixed Feeling causing his Insanity to drive further, in the Games we see a mix of the Books in HNHS and HN1, and then his AS Side in HN2, we see a mix of both in HNVR.

[snow mauve]

HN1 and Hide and seek

He was just a chill friendly dude with no aggression or Insanity

[onyx bridge]

He was a chill friendly dude in HN1??

[snow mauve]

Yeah

But at least in one of the dream sequences

Like the car crash or whatever

He was not like this at all in the books

[snow mauve]

And as far as we know, the AS is kinda doing the same as the games

[onyx bridge]

Its funny because it feels like AS is trying to connect HN1 with HN2 yet they are apparently "seperate timelines" so it just ends up being super off

[shell gull]

Ehh, I don’t think trappings a child in a Basement for a Couple Months is Chill and Friendly.

[snow mauve]

AS's HN2 version is entirely different than the games version that's for sure

Like in Season 1 it was mainly a mixture of HN1 act 1 + 2 and HNVR all mixed together creating it's own little thing

[shell gull]

We see in the Car Crash sequence his Sadness and also in the End Sequence of HN1.

[snow mauve]

While Season 2 as far as we know is a mixture of both SN, HN2, and a bit of the books

Creating it's own little thing too

[shell gull]

But also brings things in with the Coins, The Cult Motives, and more insight on The Guest.

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[safe charm]

He means that in Books he was already crazy and not really a good person

In hide and seek hes not

[snow mauve]

Yeah

Also as I mentioned, in one the dream sequences (HN1)

He was just a really good guy

Unlike the books who is already insane

[safe charm]

I doubt he was an genius amusement park designer back then

Either he problaby just had a normal job

[snow mauve]

Who doesn't have a job lol..

[safe charm]

Jobless people

[snow mauve]

If he didn't have one then shit he wouldn't have everything like car, house, literally anything else

[snow mauve]

Deeodores

[safe charm]

Anyways hide and seek Ted would problaby not behave and say this

To mya

[snow mauve]

Bro's bouta abuse his children

Oh yeah and also one time he got so pissed all because Aaron turned off something (forgor what it was)

Right lmao

"Grrrr Aaron I'm going to strangle the hell out of you if you touch my seat!!!"

[safe charm]

Also hes described to apperantly almost giggle very high pitched when he laughed when he found nicky in his study

I Think the Books are the most insane version of him even if AS one is more evil

[safe charm]

Also this is before Lucy Even died

[snow mauve]

Cwazy

[shell gull]

Ah

[wicked heath]

theo might

[ripe berry]

and a tiny bit of SN too

[ripe berry]

things we'll likely see referenced in some form in HN2

the Coins already exist in HN2 in Nightmare 3 and the Catacombs

(and some other stuff too)

[snow mauve]

There's no traitor part doe

[zinc jetty]

It would be nice to add Mayak, in Hello Neighbor 2.

[snow mauve]

Nah..

That ain't necessary..

[snow mauve]

soooo uh

different timelines

[finite hawk]

So is Secret Neighbor a dream or is it the imagination of the kids? Because that would be two different timelines so what is the third?

[snow mauve]

well secret neighbor is obviously the kids imagination

which clearly fits with the games

[finite hawk]

That’s two different ways of saying what Secret Neighbor is a dream the leader has

Or it’s nothing but the imagination of the kids according to the rocket ending

[snow mauve]

and a bit of the books

[finite hawk]

The books aren’t cannon so that’s it’s own story

[snow mauve]

however the AS is entirely different

[snow mauve]

except hnd exists

with hn2

that has book related stuff in it

[finite hawk]

Hello Neighbor diaries takes place after act finale which would be in 2017

[snow mauve]

hnd is pretty much the books own version for the games

[finite hawk]

Unless a year has passed or something

I haven’t played much of Hello Neighbor diaries since for some reason, I couldn’t play past level nine even though I paid for the game

[snow mauve]

something well never know sadly

[snow mauve]

theres no ending in it btw

[finite hawk]

But all I can really tell you is that game revolves around looking for memories and Nicky’s conscious and it’s also confusing why Peterson is there didn’t he already overcome his fear of the thing? Why is the neighbor still chasing him in his own mind?

[snow mauve]

it just recaps the whole book 1

[finite hawk]

Especially how he eventually becomes the thing himself like saying that he wasn’t really completely forgotten his fear

It doesn’t really make any sense if you put it together

[snow mauve]

well PTSD can make you forget some memories

which would make sense why nicky wants to try remember his past

[finite hawk]

At the end of Hello Neighbor one it’s revealed that he’s finally relieved himself of his PTSD and he can live a normal life but apparently in Hello Neighbor diaries he’s more curious what happened to his friend Aaron and try to find memories based on old things he used to do with him

[snow mauve]

yeah

[finite hawk]

So the neighbor being there doesn’t really make any sense if he’s already relieved of his fear

Oh, and I guess the game uses the Hello Neighbor 1 engine
with the Hello Neighbor 2 art style model but that’s besides the point that’s a game thing not a lore thing

[snow mauve]

i think nicky's mind is so imaginary that maybe his fears are like trying to protect the stuff that they dont want him to remember

if you sorta get what i mean

that's what i mean

[finite hawk]

So you’re saying like Peterson is like a guardian to his memories his mind doesn’t want him to think about?

Because he was locked in the basement for over two weeks

[snow mauve]

yeah

i mean i think that works

but that's just a theory

[snow mauve]

months

[finite hawk]

Again, animated series trying to be its own thing saying that it’s been weeks but the actual game Lore it’s been months and the animated series pilot which says what happens after act 1 and during the time where Peterson I guess is going to the hardware store and getting planks and fences just around the house or maybe that’s just Nicky’s imagination because he feels trapped

There’s probably has something to do with the books too

[snow mauve]

god i rather ignore the pilot..

that shit has no reason to exist whatsoever

[finite hawk]

The writing aside it’s either if that’s its own thing or that’s actually would happen between one just like how Secret Neighbor is apparently between act one and act two but really it’s Hello Neighbor VR that’s when they rescue him

Since his house is rather massive, I’m guessing it’s between act two and three

[snow mauve]

yeah probably

[finite hawk]

But actually Nicky escaped an act two meaning VR is its own story?

[snow mauve]

uhhhhhh.. not exactly

[finite hawk]

Meaning VR would definitely between act 1 and 2 and maybe 3

[snow mauve]

its only between act 1 and 2

[finite hawk]

So it’s some point where Nicky was released by Aaron or maybe it’s its own story where Nicky got caught again and then the rest of squad had to save them during the events of VR?

honestly, it doesn’t really make any sense

how could Nicky be saved if he already escaped?

[snow mauve]

the resque squad attempts to save nicky but fails, aaron frees them all including nicky then just vanishes, nicky escaping last while everyone else is already waiting for him inside his house i guess

[finite hawk]

So at the end of act 2 was pretty much the end of season one of the show?

[snow mauve]

yeah

[muted moon]

the rescue squad tries to save nicky, but all get kidnapped. aaron saves nicky, act 2 happens

[snow mauve]

episode 6 is meant to represent act 2 and hnvr

like everyone escaping

except aaron obviously

and theo ends up being in prison

[finite hawk]

The final episode of season 1 has them escaping the act 3 house

This is happening during act 2

[snow mauve]

well hnvr's house is kinda big as well

[finite hawk]

So that only puts it as it’s the act 2 house but near completion to the act 3 house

That’s the only way I can put it

Because it wouldn’t make any sense why the house is so big and if this is before act 3

or doesn’t explain why the whole thing burned down

[snow mauve]

AS is just doing their own creativity

it doesnt really have to match everything the same way the games does

[finite hawk]

The show is supposed to be a reputation of what the games are but it’s also trying to do its own thing

[snow mauve]

yeah its own thing

by mixing some stuff

[finite hawk]

By rewriting the current story into its own thing

[snow mauve]

however one thing that is the same is the plot

like nicky ends up being locked in basement, his friends attempts to save him but fails, they all try to escape out except aaron, and theo ends up going to jail

same stuff

just different narrative and setting

[finite hawk]

SN takes place between act one and act two. The house is massive. They fail and apparently Aaron releases they escape A.k.a., the part where Delroy rescues all the members then they rescue

And something to do with the guest and Aaron working together for some reason

And rescue Nicky which is the ending of VR

Which means when they’re trying to get out is during the events of the final episode of season one?

[snow mauve]

delory rescues all the members?

delroy was captured

[finite hawk]

Then who was it because I know that someone did

[snow mauve]

yep

[finite hawk]

Was it Aaron?

But he was working with the guest for some reason

[snow mauve]

yes

yep

he made a deal with the guest

if he free all his friends

then the guest can have his father to hunt down i guess

[finite hawk]

And this was happening during the events act 2

[snow mauve]

before

[finite hawk]

Before? Act 1 was the normal house

Way before the house became massive

[muted moon]

he traded nicky and the rescue squads freedom for his own

[finite hawk]

Maybe that’s why the guest is after the squad. It’s because they locked up Peterson and the guest wanted to use him

[snow mauve]

yep

[finite hawk]

That also must explain why he’s a playable character in SN?

[snow mauve]

hnvr takes place before act 2

and after act 1

[muted moon]

i dont think ted really had anything to do with the deal

[snow mauve]

its inbetween

[finite hawk]

In between

[muted moon]

it was more just aaron, the rescue squad, and the guest

[snow mauve]

sorry im not very used to typing on keyboard

its late and i dont have my phone :p

so excuse my poor grammar

and stuff

im trying my best to explain stuff to you

[finite hawk]

Then that doesn’t really add up to the show especially how again Trinity has an iPhone. They escape the act 3 house in act two the guess is after the squad now because Peterson was locked up and they were going to use them because Aaron made a deal with the guest if he saved all his friends meaning the guest showed up in the show he was behind the door in the basement

[muted moon]

for me its the opposite, i usually find typing on a phone hard and annoying

[snow mauve]

thats like me used to a controller more than a keyboard

[hollow remnant]

yeah how do people type on phones

[hollow remnant]

its horrible

[finite hawk]

Like this

You gotta use two fingers

Like you’re on a typewriter

[snow mauve]

me when i dont use my computer that much

[hollow remnant]

L

[snow mauve]

not my fault my pc is hot garbage

[hollow remnant]

oh

[snow mauve]

which i hardly can play any games

[finite hawk]

I’m generally curious if the show will continue to engineer to Hello Neighbor to the Hello Neighbor, one part is over

[snow mauve]

i would love some answers and stuff

since we barely got anything for HE

[finite hawk]

And I guess that one scene where it’s revealed how Peterson‘s wife was lost in a car crash in Hello Neighbor one it’s revealed that she didn’t make it and then in Hello Neighbor hide and seek the kids are depressed. Peterson is depressed. It’s quite a story

[hollow remnant]

what

[snow mauve]

that story didnt change a single bit

[finite hawk]

That’s when Aaron got really angry and got his sister killed

[snow mauve]

itll always be the same

[finite hawk]

We already know this

[snow mauve]

yep

[finite hawk]

That one flashback was pretty much already explained

[snow mauve]

billions of times

[snow mauve]

its quite a story when you have a tradegy of a little girl named Lucy Yi

and now the new loss of his brother

[finite hawk]

Tragedy it’s not that hard to type on a phone

[snow mauve]

anyways

what were we talking about again

i completely shut down for a moment

[finite hawk]

Idk something about why the guest is going after the squad and why the guest being added to Secret Neighbor was foreshadowing to the TV show or something?

Again, the guest is going after the squad because Peterson was locked up and he was going to use them because Aaron and the guest made a deal

[snow mauve]

while AS

[finite hawk]

We still don’t know what’s with the whole coin thing though

[snow mauve]

the guest wants the kids to die

[finite hawk]

Probably because they got the one thing he was going to use, locked up in prison

[snow mauve]

its the books version own luck device

[hollow remnant]

omg hes just like me fr!

[snow mauve]

instead of a green device thingy

its now a coin

that has luck magic

[finite hawk]

What’s he collecting all these coins for? It can’t just be for luck. Why would he need more luck to keep his son locked in the basement it’s already too late for that. He’s been locked up in prison

[snow mauve]

to hide away from the cultists

so no more people getting hurt

[finite hawk]

The guest has been released and is going after the kids Because Peterson was locked up and it was going to use him

[snow mauve]

which he seems to do the right thing

too bad he lost the chance now

bad luck am i right..

[finite hawk]

Ironically, these characters names were revealed in the books, not the games, but who cares they’re not Canon to the main story anymore

[hollow remnant]

what

[finite hawk]

I think I’m getting bored talking about this

[snow mauve]

except Delroy, finch, and ivan

[snow mauve]

yeah me too

imma go back discussing random shit in hn chat

[finite hawk]

Delroy’s name was revealed in a post same for finch Also Ivan I don’t know.

[snow mauve]

no?

[finite hawk]

How was Delroy’s name revealed then?

[snow mauve]

their names were never mentioned at all

[hollow remnant]

so like why did all of raven brooks collectivly decide to bulldoze their houses and replace them with large cardboard cutouts in the short time between act 3 and nicky's diaries

[snow mauve]

AS credits

[snow mauve]

with teasers videos

[finite hawk]

I clearly remember they made a post and it was just literally titled Delroy

[hollow remnant]

that seems a little silly don't you think

[snow mauve]

imagination thingy

SN does the same

to prove us

its all imaginary

[hollow remnant]

the intro to nicky's diaries is not imagination

its presented as real

[snow mauve]

yep

[hollow remnant]

and the cardboard cutouts are in the intro

[snow mauve]

yeah its funny

but lets pretend that didnt happen..

[finite hawk]

The thing is Nicky’s PTSD and everything it’s the manifestation of trauma and fear

[hollow remnant]

yes?

[snow mauve]

yeah we know

except everyone thinks the thing is a demon or the guest..

which is sad

[finite hawk]

Well, I’m bored let’s go back to talking about random Hello Neighbor stuff in the standard chat

[snow mauve]

yeah

[hollow remnant]

what crazy shit are you gonna tell me next? that the neighbor had a son and daughter and wife and they all died with the exception of the son?

[silver vine]

This is false

It was the book characters who were used in the games

[finite hawk]

The books aren’t canon, but the names are

[hollow remnant]

the books are canon

just in a seperate continuity to the games

[snow mauve]

theyre tecnically still are

[silver vine]

You see

What happened is that

[hollow remnant]

the books are canon in the same way the animated series is

[finite hawk]

Let me guess it’s own story and timeline

[hollow remnant]

kinda yeah

[silver vine]

tB gave the book descriptions of Enzo, Maritza and Trinity to the AS animators, and they made the pilot designs. Pilot designs were given to hologryph to make SN classes. And that's how they came to be

This was confirmed like in 2020

During AS pilot days

[hollow remnant]

oh damn

i didn't know the pilot designs came first

[finite hawk]

I don’t think Delray was in the pilot?

Was he?

[silver vine]

No he wasn't

But he did get a design

[finite hawk]

I remember Maritza, Enzo, Trinity, and Nicky were in the pilot

[hollow remnant]

still disappointed inventors name wasn't revealed to be jimmy

[snow mauve]

its such a common name..

[finite hawk]

Why that name

[snow mauve]

why not have rare names

[silver vine]

The pilot designs of Ivan, Delroy, and Finch were revealed just before the announcement of the new AS

[hollow remnant]

it was a reasonably common fan name because of one of the SN trailers

where in it, it kinda sounds like scout calls him "jimmy"

[finite hawk]

I think it was not until like 2021 or 2022 until Secret Neighbor confirm their names to be what they are you know like meet Delroy the bagger meet Ivan the inventor something like that

The game didn’t really confirm it until then

If it wasn’t already obvious

[silver vine]

Believe it or not, it was the guidebook which first confirmed that SN characters were indeed the book characters

[finite hawk]

What guidebook

[silver vine]

And it was a HUGE deal back in the day

[snow mauve]

ah goodtimes

[hollow remnant]

it was?

[silver vine]

Yes

[finite hawk]

Are you talking about reset day?

[hollow remnant]

no

neighbors notebook

[snow mauve]

hello neighbor had a guidebook like fnaf

[hollow remnant]

it was very strange

[snow mauve]

that shit is useless doe

[hollow remnant]

they promised a house building game that never ended up being made

[snow mauve]

containing some misinfo shit

[hollow remnant]

i wonder if the neighbor being 6 foot 4 is still canon

[snow mauve]

and outdated stuff

[snow mauve]

AS version like like 7 i swear

jesus christ

[finite hawk]

The neighbor’s notebook?

The neighbor knew the kids names before we knew them

[snow mauve]

google it

it exists

[finite hawk]

I did

[unkempt sleet]

That was probably like an early concept for HE

[finite hawk]

This book says it’s the official neighbors notebook meaning he wrote it

In the canon story

Which means he knew about the kids names way before we did

[unkempt sleet]

He didnt wrote it, it's arranged by the librarians

in universe i mean

[finite hawk]

That lady from the Hello Neighbor 2 DLC she knew the kids

[silver vine]

Everyone knows everyone