lore-discussion

[shell gull]

Since they would’ve set the Puzzles up to hide the Keys after they retrieved them, only one that had to make theirs Quick was Gerda.

[muted moon]

i dont think the bizzare house puzzles are canon

[strange lance]

I don't see why they wouldn't be. As much as they make 0 sense for every day living they've always been canon and part of the story

[shell gull]

Well Act 1 wasn’t that Bizarre and HN2s are quite Simple.

[muted moon]

im talking about hn2

as in like the strange puzzles that make no sense in-universe

[shell gull]

They aren’t that Bizarre they are Very Simple Made Puzzles.

True

[strange lance]

The puzzles in hn2 are simple yes, but imagine Gerda having to run around her house to get all her cashier buttons just to get change for a customer

[muted moon]

as well as ted locking himself in the museum

[strange lance]

Ted locking his bathroom

And bedroom

[shell gull]

Like half of the Work could’ve easily been dealt with, for Example Spider Webs you don’t need Scissors.

[strange lance]

Otto only being able to open his microwave if he pulls boar heads

[muted moon]

and the mayor putting a fusebox in the ceiling

[strange lance]

That attic space in general makes no sense

[shell gull]

Ey if it means the Secret of me being a Demonic Cultist is kept safe I’ll take it.

[muted moon]

the police locking the basement they are supposed to be investigating

[shell gull]

Ted just straight up locks himself out of the Bathroom which is kinda stupid of him.

[shell gull]

Uh, they were already Locked, Ted was the one who would’ve done it, that’s why Newsom is looking at the Puzzles trying to figure them out.

[muted moon]

the taxidermist putting his shovel in his roof for some reason

[muted moon]

or whatever that weird tower thing is

[shell gull]

While YES the Intro shows Ted put Aaron in the Basement we’ve seen way weirder Plot Holes than that so it ain’t that weird.

[shell gull]

The Cultist are reasonable, Ted isn’t.

[muted moon]

yes just like how the mayor was starving his dog

(didnt feed him at all on day 4)

[stiff spire]

poor dog

[shell gull]

It’s all Gameplay, the Steak he was obviously cooking for Himself, he in Reality would’ve fed him, I hope so at least

[muted moon]

yes so the wacky puzzles are all gameplay as well?

dont tell me quentin cant reach through a hole in cardbouard (or rip it or pick it up) to grab some scissors

[silver vine]

The real question I had is why did he build an underground amusement park

Also, he didn't build it alone

He had control of hundreds of robots

[muted moon]

so aaron had something to do

he did care about him

[shell gull]

Because he lost his Job so he was working on his own Amusement Park.

[trail haven]

Underground amusement park?

[silver vine]

It's a books thing

[trail haven]

Duck the books

[worn ibex]

When did they mention an underground park? What book was this?

[rain sluice]

Book 3, buried secrets

[silver vine]

Guys

I'm working on a very very big HN theory

Will reveal soon

[ripe berry]

noted

[worn ibex]

What exactly is the underground park of? I don't remember any of this

Or is that how they just describe the basement

[rain sluice]

There isn't exactly a specific description, at least that I remember, but it's supposed to be assembled from various leftovers from the golden apple park that Ted stole.

[ripe berry]

hey uh random question
but where did they call HN2 Alpha 1.5 canon?

[primal mantle]

woah, who are they?

[heady cipher]

Could Be Like...LORE CHARACTERS >:3

[silver vine]

Steam patch notes

[silver vine]

Bro, PPL in general chat are telling that Hello Neighbor is a paedo cuz he kidnaps kids 😭😭

[hollow remnant]

hello neighbor would never

[pale urchin]

Real

[silver vine]

guys

this chat has been dead for 9 hours

is anyone here?

[unkempt sleet]

im here

[snow mauve]

Bleh

[trail haven]

Sí

Is there a AS discord server?

[velvet fossil]

There is no specific server for AS, this one covers the entire franchise

[trail haven]

Can you send a link?

[velvet fossil]

You are already here, this server also receives AS announcements. You can chat about in #hello-neighbor channel

[ripe berry]

sorry, just woke up

[unkempt sleet]

Happy Birthday Micheal🎂🎂

[ripe berry]

thx

[ripe berry]

can't find anything about the canonicity of the builds in any of these patch notes
unless you mean this, which doesn't actually call anything canon/non-canon

or this

aka

they aren't saying the builds are canon
they're saying the builds share some details that are canon to the lore
things like the Guest attacking a group of three Trick or Treaters
or Ted in the Attic representing whatever Link the Guest and Ted form at the end of HNVR in some way

[primal mantle]

Oh, thanks!

[silver vine]

Guys

Anyone here

[unkempt sleet]

hi

[ripe berry]

howdy

[snow mauve]

Hah

[safe charm]

Whats your honest to god

Theory on this!

Low quality image

[snow mauve]

Theo is destroying the evidence

That's depkiss theory

[safe charm]

Hes the GUEST

Fight me

[snow mauve]

Ugh no

[safe charm]

Theo = guest

100 percent

It just makes sense

[ripe berry]

me when I'm burning Missing Posters to not draw attention to myself:

[snow mauve]

Happy happy birthday mike

[ripe berry]

thx

[shell gull]

If the Builds were Canon then the Inconsistency would be insane.

Also HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL 🥳 🎂

[ripe berry]

thank you!

[ripe berry]

yeah
I don't view this as them calling the build canon
I view it as them saying the build has canon INFORMATION

[shell gull]

Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s how it’s always been, there’s a Reason they call New Lore stuff things like “Lore Exploration” it’s New Secrets laid out to uncover in the Game indicating the Overall Story as it Grows.

[ripe berry]

it's like how just because Scott said the Silver Eyes is canon doesn't mean it's Game Continuity

having information that applies to the Games Timeline doesn't automatically grant you the right of being a part of said Timeline

[shell gull]

Old Lore Canon Map is the Books Layout, pretty simple there.

New Lore Canon Map is AS Layout.

[ripe berry]

whar does that have to do with anything here?

oh wait
you're going to say the maps in other games aren't canon despite being shown in a game aren't you

[shell gull]

Going back to the Builds being Canon doesn’t make sense and isn’t what the Devs are intending to say, which also relates in the Silver Eyes example you made, similar perspective.

[ripe berry]

yeah

(although at the moment I actually think it's more likely there's three timelines, Games, Books, and AS (partly since anything specifically implying Aaron dies or is trapped forever in HNVR's Ending was removed before launch), it still applies as Games consistently use the HN1 Layout but HN2 for some reason uses another layout)

[shell gull]

Well that too.

[ripe berry]

the Maps aren't really 100% reliable (even if you go with smth like the three timeline thing as SN has roads that don't exist on the HN1 Map or don't even try to figure out what's going on with the GAAP's Layout)

[shell gull]

Yeah true…but it also feels like it’s just another thing the Devs forgot to Patch back in amongst other things they forget to put in, and also since a Scream Sound Effect isn’t Important for the Patches, a lot of times in Games Devs forget to Patch things in and never do.

[ripe berry]

there's also the eternal darkness texture!

[shell gull]

But then again 3 Canons is fine by me but I think it’s more fitting to have 5…Games, AS, Books, New Lore (AS+Games), Old Lore (Books+Games).

We can go further and say 6…7…8…9 even 10 hell even more than tha-

[shell gull]

Tru

[ripe berry]

also it works with the oddities they specifically named the plushies in HNVR "Voodoo Dolls"
they don't work in HNVR since there's no pins in them (which are commonly required to make Voodoo Dolls work)
but the Guest DOES have a Aaron Voodoo Doll and made a deal that likely linked the Doll to actually be used on Aaron
but then the Guest makes it work and controls Aaron's behavior in HN2
explaining that random detail in HNVR's files

plus there's 0 actual contradictions
nothing spells out Manifestation to be false in HN2

[ripe berry]

Ancient Curse more likely applies to the Cult

[hollow remnant]

thats way too confusing why would the last 2 even need to exist

[ripe berry]

and Patch 9 was advertized to reveal secrets of the Guest

[shell gull]

To make overall Books and AS function and correlate, then again we really just focus on those Two since it works best.

[ripe berry]

and the only things in Patch 9 that have actual possible Guest lore ties are the Mannequins of Diane and Mya

which could be argued to be because the Guest formed from the agony of those two's deaths or smth and thats why it recreated them

[shell gull]

Yeah true, but I still feel like it was a Game Design thing but then again that is very intriguing, The Guest using Voodoo Dolls, Voodoo is Canon to Old Lore now…Voodoo is Canon to Old Lore now…

[ripe berry]

or it could be used to control Ted further into this timeline's version of GN2

[shell gull]

Which seems strange to me.

[shell gull]

Well HN2s GN2 seems to already happened in Act 2 with Abandoned Town.

[ripe berry]

and Voodoo Dolls are commonly known to control people
and we know from Fuhnaff's interview that Steel Wool doesn't like throwing in random details to confuse people
wouldn't this count as one of those details they'd wanna fix

[vivid bridge]

Does hello neighbor 2 take place after act 1 but before act 2 in hello neighbor 1?

[ripe berry]

not saying it hasn't
just saying this is why they exist

[shell gull]

True but that was Steel Wool with FNaF we don’t know their perspective on HN other than them liking the Books Story.

[hollow remnant]

HN 2 takes place after act 2

[shell gull]

In Story Wise after Act 2.

[ripe berry]

hold on, gotta do smth rq

[shell gull]

Aight I’ll check back in a bit, have some work to do.

[vivid bridge]

how because it says nicky is still missing in hn2

[hollow remnant]

whats the lore behind the neighbors magically changing family photo

[shell gull]

He isn’t, he was found recently the Missing Pictures would still be lying around.

[hollow remnant]

there are just still missing posters around because its very shortly after act 2

[shell gull]

Nothing just a Flaw they didn’t fix.

Gtg

[hollow remnant]

if you disregard the animated series, you could easily say its like a day after at most

[vivid bridge]

or was hn1 what nicky remembered from his trauma

because of the strange house extensions in act 2

[hollow remnant]

pretty sure only act 2 is like that

[vivid bridge]

or what it felt like to escape his house maybe

[hollow remnant]

probably

[vivid bridge]

to be fair i think he does dream it all happening again as he wakes up in act 3 right after act 2 finishes

[ripe berry]

I mean they did say this

https://www.meta.com/sv-se/blog/quest/hello-neighbor-vr-search-rescue/

[ripe berry]

using the promise of giving Ted back his loved ones to manipulate him into doing his bidding

also HN2 still has the 1996 date in it
if the date was wrong they would've fixed it by now

same with the HND references in NICKY'S Treehouse

[hollow remnant]

wait there are HND references in the treehouse?

[ripe berry]

technically you could call them Book 1 references but they use the HND assets so I'm calling it HND References

[hollow remnant]

oke

i still don't accept that the green house is actually meant to be nickys house tho, its stupid

[ripe berry]

(the objects you have to take photos of to access the memories in HND to be exact)

[ripe berry]

HN2 also has Ted's House Burning down (well, it's not in the game yet but there's photos in Patch 9 that show the house burning down)
which is something that occurs in HN1 (HND's Tutorial which is in the real world is unreliable since they couldn't even bother to use Adult Nicky for it's tutorial that's meant to be in the real world instead of Kid Nicky or not use Real Houses instead of Cardboard Cutout Houses)

but doesn't occur in the Books

[hollow remnant]

yeah that hnd tutorial was strange

[ripe berry]

having Aaron survive HNVR's Ending also prevents a proper retcon
the window breaking still occurs
there's just more stuff in-between

at most having it be
Games
Books
and AS
adds some minor retcons to things not explictly spelt out in HN1/HNHS at most for the games

like it's stated HNHS is a direct prequel to HN1
which HNVR makes not be the case

the Guest Investigation stuff implied in HNVR can occur without messing up Books 2-3

and even then
versions of some of the Books occur still

the Birthday Puzzle in Act 3 is tied to Book 3

I feel the Occult Book in HNHS Stage 4 retroactively is tied to the cult

which makes a version of Books 4-6 canon

it's also never directly stated the Petersons had JUST moved in in HNHS

implied yes

but not outright stated

[hollow remnant]

its not stated but clearly shown

[ripe berry]

HNHS Release Trailer messes with that

since the house doesn't align with how it is in HNHS (different painting on the 2nd floor)
which I only care about since this is the same map

and the trailer is likely canon to the games as nothing contradicts it

at the very least

why wouldn't the trailer try to be game accurate

meaning at least a few weeks pass between Ted moving in and HNHS

but the trailer is shown to not have a accurate day counter as it doesn't show all like 32 or smth days between Diane's Death and Mya's Death (end of Trailer)

so it allows for as much time as needed to occur

again
implied
never outright stated
and it's not contradictory
if anything it's the trailer with the contradiction

[hollow remnant]

id say the game is much more important then the trailer

[ripe berry]

because more then 10 days pass in the trailer before the Car Crash AND the House's Interior looks a bit different sometimes in the trailer

[ripe berry]

and how is it "shown" Ted just moved in
a house nearly the exact same as it is in HN1 with a few extra boxes Ted was carrying in?

the only differences that are actually observable in-game are that and MAYBE the color of the Basement Door being different

and even in HN1
there's multiple boxes that haven't been unpacked in the backyard

Ted and his family are just super slow at unpacking stuff

again supported by the trailer

[ripe berry]

ok there's also the lack of the chair Ted uses to block the Kid's Room's Door in Act 1 and the locks/keys

but other then that
you look somewhere and the object expected to be there is there

ok maybe one extra difference of the clock
but still
the house is 90% the same

just with there actually being MORE objects then HN1 mostly

see
even with prioritizing the game it makes more sense they've been here for awhile

especially with images of the Neighbor's Mouth being hung up on the walls or the children's drawings

and before you say the painting's a mistake due to them copy-pasting Act 1
they literally bothered to remove Aaron and Mya's Shoes from the map since they're wearing them

and it's not even hard to observe it's in the first room you're in in Stage 1

lemme check smth rq

in HNHS Stage 1 there are 19 Boxes
in HN1, there's 17 Boxes that are in places that are out of sight in HNHS

and there's one box in the same spot as one of the HNHS Stage 1 Boxes

so there's only one more Box in HNHS Stage 1 then there is in HN1

enough for the few props that aren't seen in HNHS but are in HN1

[hollow remnant]

H&S was likely meant to be a direct prequel to hn1

as in right before

obviously thats not true now

[ripe berry]

yeah but that's not outright stated by anything other then a single website
so the retcon is possible

[hollow remnant]

alright

[ripe berry]

and even then

the HN1/HNHS story has a problem of what's going on with Aaron while Ted puts up Missing Posters

if he's in the Basement how does one explain the HN1 Intro

if he's not in the basement why does he stay and only try to fight back in HN1's Intro

because HNHS Stage 5 and HN1 Act 1 CANT occur on the same day

[hollow remnant]

HN1 feels barley canon anymore due to all the retcons

[ripe berry]

with Games, Books, and AS being three different timelines there's hardly any retcons to the HN1 Lore

[hollow remnant]

it still feels werid consider the games and books seperate timelines

[ripe berry]

if it helps you with that
at least some version of most books still occur in the Games

not exactly like the books

[hollow remnant]

yeah because the first one is kinda adapted in nickys diaries and the whole golden apple amusment park thing in SN and HN2

[ripe berry]

but similar

[ripe berry]

yeah

or the mere existence of the Cult

[hollow remnant]

oh yeah i forgot about them

[ripe berry]

also
Nicky's Diaries fixes the problems Book 1 would have with being in the games timeline
(aka GAAP still exists in the Games just destroyed but was burnt down in the books)

[hollow remnant]

it does?

[ripe berry]

yeah
I explained the problem and HND depicts the GAAP as simply abandoned like the Games do

[hollow remnant]

oh thats cool

[ripe berry]

instead of being burnt down like the Books originally claimed

at most with retcons to HN1 in a Games-Only Timeline there's Nicky's Investigation stuff not being seen in his room in HN1
and general layout shit which is almost never consistent anyways

like all 3 of the GAAP's Appearances in the Games so far use a different layout

doesn't mean those games aren't canon to each other

Act 2 is a distorted memory so any problems there can basically be chalked up to Nicky misremembering

[vivid bridge]

i wish they ported nickys diaries to pc it would be better for getting all the lore and secrets

[ripe berry]

the problems with Act 1 are so minor I wouldn't use them to discredit canonicity of something

the parts of Act 3 that aren't in Nicky's head (Especially thanks to HN2) don't have any problems (again outside of the layout problems which aren't really anything that can discredit canonicity)

and MAYBE a Easter Egg of Ted being in the city in the Apartments level

(oh, and Nicky having Milk that expired over 20 years ago but that's a problem within HN1 itself more then a problem with other games)

and yes
HN1 Act 1 takes place in 1996 and not 1997 like most think

the Milk Cartons EXPIRE in 1997
they don't nessacarily indicate being MADE in 1997
plus
they expire in March
HNHS Ends in May

[snow mauve]

There's really not much lore or secrets in that game

[ripe berry]

thus the games occur the year before 1997
aka 1996

[snow mauve]

Well sorta, but only bonus memories

[ripe berry]

which also means at most they moved HN1 from May to late summer of 1996

since they still use the 1996 date in HN2

[snow mauve]

And the story is pretty much recapping book 1

[ripe berry]

(but even then I'd say the Dates aren't a dealbreaker since the literal creator of HN has problems with keeping the dates consistent)

he said Act 3 is 19 years after Act 1
but also said Act 3 occurs the same date the Game released (December 6th, 2017)

for both of these to be true Act 1 would have to be in 1998

which contradict the Milk Cartons

and like

every single other source for HN1's Year

however dates are actually surprisingly consistent with books out of the picture (Except again Nicky having Milk Cartons that expired 20 years ago)

which is literally a problem with HN1 itself
unless you're gonna say the game occurs in the 1970s

[ripe berry]

(at the very least assuming they aren't gonna contradict the fact you can see leaves falling from the trees in Act 1)

in-fact
there's almost no contradictions with any of the games with any of the other games

(minus some film reels in early SN Builds that were decanonized)

and yes non-current versions of SN are canon still

at least there was a period of time where they considered the previous SN Build canon to the current one
because of things like destroying a Halloween tower on top of Ted's House in a Christmas 2019 event and seeing it slowly disappear from the map over the updates that followed

lemme lay out a simple timeline:
HNHS Release Trailer/HND (Flashbacks)/HNHS
Nicky's Ted/Guest Investigations (hinted at in HNVR, not explictly shown in any HN Game)
HN1 Act 1 (Minus Nightmare Sequences)
HE
SN Launch Version
Other Pre-Quentin SN Versions (minus the HG and AS Pilot Film Reels)
HN2 Late Fees DLC
SN Versions Post-Quentin's addition
HN2 Back to School DLC
HN2 Intro (Pre-Timeskip)
HNVR
HN2 (Post-Intro Timeskip)
Rest of HN1
HND

(not really Games Only if I'm including a trailer)

this is the trailer in question btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIYWLph7-c

[shell gull]

Tbf, they didn’t know about the HN2 Lore Change while making the Game, since HNVR was in works Early Alpha Time for HN2.

[ripe berry]

they had like a entire year though

the "lore change" occured at the latest in April 2022

likely by December 2021

HNVR released in May 2023 (unless I'm misremembering the month, I know it was around that time)

there's no way they WOULDN'T know

especailly when a PART OF THEIR TEAM was working on TWO DLCS for HN2

you'd think they'd be aware of the "lore changes"

they had more then enough time to learn of the "lore change" and fix their game to fit it

sounds more like there wasn't a reboot at all and there's just three timelines

hell the whole three timeline shit explains away the "Mayak will Explain Everything" stuff from 2020

the inconsistencies exist because they're simply alternate timelines caused by something related to the Mayak

(AS DOES imply something happened at the Pit before Peterson's Stick Together with the missing piece of Railing)

so for now that unknown event could be where the timelines split off from

(again, HN2 doesn't affect the manifestation theory at all and we dunno the Guest's AS Origins so there's no reason to say anything yet to say this is impossible)

for all we know Manifestation is false and we're just connecting the pieces in the wrong way

[winter mason]

MichaelHuff24 it is 2am

[ripe berry]

Time Zones

it's 9:42 PM for me

[winter mason]

Oh shit yeah mb 💀

It’s 2am for me so you just look like you’re going on an insane HN rant at 2am

[ripe berry]

INSTEAD I'm going on an insane HN rant at 9pm

[snow mauve]

Will mike end his rant at 12am..

[winter mason]

He’ll end his rant once patch 10 comes out

[ripe berry]

[winter mason]

Hol up you have birthday in ur name

IS IT YOUR BIRTHDAY??

[ripe berry]

yes

[winter mason]

Happy birthday!

[ripe berry]

thx

[pale urchin]

Simple solution: just trash on hn and forget it!

[ripe berry]

(only saying this since I currently don't support Manifestation)

[strange lance]

I think the biggest piece of evidence is the fact the AS just doesn't have the guest statue which is part of my theory

if it was not important there would be no reason to remove it

[silver vine]

I think the tinybuild investors site basically confirms that there are only 3 timelines. It's stated that the games are the core story, the books and AS are different interpretations of the games story according to the media, which fills in the gaps in the games.

[silver vine]

What about rbo

[ripe berry]

yeah
also what makes me think Manifestation was a incorrect conclusion

[ripe berry]

would go after HN2 (Post-Intro Timskip) but before Rest of HN1

[ripe berry]

or they could've just forgotten it existed in the past version of the park
it's something minor enough it could've slipped through the cracks
if it's not there in the present park THEN you have a case to be made

[silver vine]

Hi

I want to show you something

[ripe berry]

?

(if it's the investors document I already saw it)

[silver vine]

Nono

My theory

[unkempt sleet]

Pre Alpha Man theory?

[silver vine]

I wanna discuss lore

[ripe berry]

I guess it's lore discussing time then

[silver vine]

I've found there's oddly too many references to the HN1 pre Alpha

In AS

[ripe berry]

yeah there's been quite a few
like the Bull Mug or Franklin as a character

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1265662356269301781/Screenshot_3303.png?ex=66a3a4ec&is=66a2536c&hm=b49feeadb9ae9bc6e886e79c1fc8ebffc4f50062c952ac7085c1115a3a46530e&

[silver vine]

Shit forgot to add bull mug

[silver vine]

Anyway, here

You can clearly see how Trinity's house came to be

[ripe berry]

Good Lord-

[silver vine]

It was designed based off of the house made to be a reference to pre Alpha players house

The previous owner of Trinity's house presumably died in mysterious ways

What I'm thinking is that the previous owner of Trinity's house could be a reference to PAM

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[silver vine]

PPL like Aidan think it's too far fetched

But I don't think so

[ripe berry]

Natural Causes is a problem though

[silver vine]

They turned Lord Jesus Christ in the kiss of Judah painting into Theo's brother

So, I don't think it's too far fetched

[ripe berry]

that implies their death was from a disease or a medical condition

[silver vine]

Nicky implies he was killed

Realtor calls it death house

[ripe berry]

damn

[silver vine]

They keep telling it was "natural causes"

I feel like it's a coverup

[ripe berry]

but if this is true then they're changing PAM's Story from how it was in the Alphas
in the Alphas PAM dies as a result from a Car Crash (hitting a Telephone Pole) and the game is him in a coma

[silver vine]

Maybe he went into coma for different in AS

Maybe he went too close to the cult

[ripe berry]

also the references imply the Pre-Alpha would actually occur irl in this canon?
don't see how PAM would somehow have a coma full of actual objects including a picture of Ted and Franklin

[silver vine]

He was Ted's neighbor after all

Maybe his family invited him over

[ripe berry]

I mean-
it's possible
but at the same time feels like a bit of a stretch

[silver vine]

Ik

But it's fun to theorize

What else can we do

Also

Why did guest just randomly kill the realtor

What'd she do

[ripe berry]

dunno

prob because she sold the Death House or smth if I had to guess

[long cloak]

hey

[ripe berry]

'ello

[long cloak]

howz doing?

[ripe berry]

I'm doing good, hbu?

[long cloak]

thanks for asking
pretty good

[silver vine]

I might make more lore billboards

[strange lance]

thats not really a minor slip up thats changing the entire center piece of the lobby

and unless they randomly decided "lets remove the fountain and put a statue here" then i don't think its gonna be in the AS park

every other part of the park is faithful to HE but the big important guest statue they miss??

yeah no they 100% intentionally removed it

if I'm wrong and it does appear I will admit defeat and die

[shut hill]

who was hi m

[astral agate]

Pre alpha man I think

[safe charm]

Could i ask a Question its just a fun opinion Question btw?

[strange lance]

sure

[safe charm]

Is book Ted your favorite i Think hes mine

I Think its a good mix of sympathetic but also evil at the same time

[strange lance]

considering Ted has little to no characterization besides "I'm evil" in the games yes I prefer book ted

[astral agate]

I wish the games made him look like the books

Or act

It would be peak if his pupil was smaller when he saw you

[safe charm]

Im sad most of his lore wasnt in hn1

Its mostly in the Books

[strange lance]

because the books came after hn1

and at the time of hn1 the books were not planned

same for HS

[silver vine]

Scroll up

[shut hill]

oh pre alpha man

[safe charm]

Thats why i kinda hoped for a hn1 remake it feels so

Outdated story wise

[strange lance]

and I don't think they wanted to go back to hn1 and HS and heavily alter the game to fit the books

that would be a lot of work

[silver vine]

Mouse

[strange lance]

yes

[silver vine]

Did you hear the latest news

[strange lance]

what news

[silver vine]

In tinybuilds investor site

It seems games, books and AS are 3 separate timelines

[strange lance]

about the books and AS filling in the gaps for the games? yes I saw you talk about it

[silver vine]

Yes yes

Are you happy with this decision

[shut hill]

heh

mayak split

[strange lance]

I don't really care for what Alex thinks of the lore and I frankly find it stupid to make the books separate from the games considering they were meant to be part of the games. I'm gonna go by what was established back then and not what some random guy has to say

[safe charm]

Its tb itself

Tbf

[silver vine]

It's not Alex

[shut hill]

its not only alex

[silver vine]

Books are not separate from the games

[strange lance]

can you link this thing

I wanna see what it says for myself

[silver vine]

I'll DM you

[strange lance]

can you not just link it here

[silver vine]

Basically everything is canon

[silver vine]

PPL told me not to share it here, even tho it's basically public

[strange lance]

alr i guess

[safe charm]

I already

Dmed you it lol

[strange lance]

ok I just read that all

and like

thats stuff we kinda already knew lol

everything is canon

its just about continuity

this isn't anything new lol

[silver vine]

I mean, games being it's own timeline

It's cool

[glad hornet]

the only canon HN game is HE

trust me

[silver vine]

some PPL here consider HN2 to be non canon to HN1, after this confirmation, I can finally get them behind me

[silver vine]

True true

[ripe berry]

I view the "Mayak will explain everything" shit to be a canon explanation for multiple continuities existing

[strange lance]

they're essentially saying the AS (since most of that image talks about the AS) is used to fill in lore for the series, which is true. It establishes how more things work in the hn universe while having its own separate storyline, thats what different continuities are. And despite the books and graphics novels (which they put on a separate branch for some reason?) also being used to establish stuff of the universe, those were already confirmed to be in the same universe as the games as stated by Nikita looong ago. Everything is canon as it is official story material that can be used for the games, but not everything is in the same continuity. I explained it the best I could.

and the in universe reason for these continuities is mayak

whenever that will be shown

if ever

probably in the AS

[silver vine]

Oh my goodness

[safe charm]

Cant wait for AS guest to reset the timeline jk

[strange lance]

it probably will be the guest

we already know he can trap people in time loops

[safe charm]

Alex Said AS is the guest origin

Story as well

[strange lance]

didn't he say it would be crazy if it was

and not that it is

also I wouldn't really call the AS an origin story when hes now just being part of the show and will 100% be vaguely explained "ancient curse from years ago" or something

[ripe berry]

where did Nikita say Books and Games are the same continuity?

I only remember him saying there's contradictions that'll be explained by Mayak

in 2020

[safe charm]

Even if i want them too They cant be in the game universe completely because it contedicts a lot of stuff

[strange lance]

i don't remember exactly what he said but he essentially said yes in his own way. Theres also you know, the direct connections between the games and books and how closer to hn2s original launch the book descriptions started to say the books were teasing what would come in the next game and how it did just that

[silver vine]

He told that books, games, and AS are all canon and it's because of mayak

He never said "books and games are same universe"

[strange lance]

he has never talked about the AS

[silver vine]

It was during pilot times

[strange lance]

he just said "its all canon" cause of mayak

[silver vine]

Come on, I JUST shut down my PC, I had his message saved in it 😭

[unkempt sleet]

That doesnt make sense any way because that would mean Nicky trilogy retconned almost all of HNHS

[safe charm]

Yeah

[silver vine]

That's why it's because of mayak

[strange lance]

mmm I don't think so

it was 100% just them wanting to change things and using mayak as an excuse

lets be real thats all mayak ever was

[long cloak]

heaywass up

[silver vine]

Hi

[silver vine]

Oh come, I just booted up my PC to get this message

[long cloak]

how are you?

[ripe berry]

this is what I remember

[unkempt sleet]

what does he mean by names

?

[silver vine]

Names

Teperson

Nicky

[strange lance]

I guess names across continuties will say the same

well duh its not a game

its books

[ripe berry]

Nicky Roth, Theodore Peterson, etc.

[silver vine]

Keith

[strange lance]

of course it'd be on a separate branch

[strange lance]

oh yeah that

lets see mayak explain that

somehow?

[unkempt sleet]

[silver vine]

Wait

[ripe berry]

Keith F. Nielsen Newsom is the full name

simple as that

[silver vine]

They changed the name of this emoji

[silver vine]

It used to say lopicenielsen

Now it's lopicekeith

[strange lance]

why would they not change it

[astral agate]

Meanwhile somewhere else...."Hello uhh I would like to change my name"

[strange lance]

they officially changed his name so it has to be keith now

everywhere

[silver vine]

Why did they change Nielsen

[strange lance]

idk cause they hate movie references

[safe charm]

To fit the Books ig

[unkempt sleet]

I'll always see him as Keith Nielsen

[silver vine]

In the beta, his name was Keith Nielsen

Now in FG they changed it to Keith Newsom

[strange lance]

I just explained what the text said🤷‍♂️

different media used for the games

[ripe berry]

Nielsen wasn't officially introduced into the canon until HN2

[silver vine]

Both AS and books are canon

Yayyy

[strange lance]

everything is canon

[ripe berry]

where his badge says F. Nielsen (which is fixed in a not yet used in-game model) but every source ever calls him Keith

[silver vine]

Stop leaking

[strange lance]

why did they announce rbo in this paragraph and not here

[unkempt sleet]

Fred the Leaker

[ripe berry]

simple make his full name
Keith Nielsen Newsom

...

Noxified

[strange lance]

thats a weird name

[spark tulip]

fine, i'll remove it

[unkempt sleet]

Keith Nielsen peaker

[silver vine]

F. Keith Nielsen Newsom

That's his name

[ripe berry]

Noxified | #1 Siarhei & HN2 Fan

[strange lance]

are we not allowed to show the public investors meeting

are you guys just scared?

[unkempt sleet]

okay so is it Nielsen or Nielson

[ripe berry]

Nielsen

[unkempt sleet]

Okay

I confuse it a lot

[silver vine]

Scared I think

[ripe berry]

but Nikita said names carry over and Keith Newsom is what he's called in the books

[unkempt sleet]

Thats why i asked

[ripe berry]

so Nielsen is his middle name

since RBBArchives still uses the Nielsen last name

[silver vine]

Nielsen was basically a different cop

[strange lance]

you do know we've been allowed to post every other investors meeting here right. Its not a problem because its public info from tb themselves

its ok lmao

[silver vine]

Ikr

[ripe berry]

we just agreed not to share it or smth

[silver vine]

But Jacky keeps telling that we don't know what RBO stands for until they reveal it

She told yesterday or the day before iirc

[unkempt sleet]

Did you consider that maybe she doesnt know about the investors thing either

[silver vine]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

but...
at this point I guess there's no reason to hide it really

[strange lance]

this is a really ugly tree

[unkempt sleet]

It's a cool tree...

Only thing missing is HND

😢

[strange lance]

omg they forgot about hnd lmao

[silver vine]

Mouse, what do you think of my theory

[strange lance]

Elena who...is not working at egs or tb

💀

[safe charm]

Also the Books was originally not certain to be canon

[ripe berry]

well since MouseFlash just sent a image with the tree and related text...
might as well just send the link

[safe charm]

Cool that they made them

Canon

[strange lance]

ew bijuu mike

[astral agate]

So do the different colour branches show which stuff is linked and what's not?

[silver vine]

Yes, they weren't canon in the beginning, but since it got too popular, they made it canon

[ripe berry]

it's now public info so I don't care

[strange lance]

the yellow branch is just for media thats not a game

[astral agate]

Woah

[ripe berry]

RBO is a HN Game named Raven Brooks Online

[unkempt sleet]

The chin doesnt look like the HN2 model's chin

[safe charm]

I wonder if gaap stuff was meant to be canon

[astral agate]

That model looks different

[silver vine]

Can someone send link to this website

[ripe berry]

.

[silver vine]

Yes that was defo meant to be canon

Gaap was Nikitas idea

[strange lance]

the park was always a thing, it was in hn1 and it was in versions before hn1 fg

[unkempt sleet]

like i could understand if it was edited with the eyebrows and stuff like that one patch render but the chin being different really makes me question if this is an updated model

[silver vine]

I hope GAAP gets added to HN2

[ripe berry]

since Mouse shared a image with the one thing we decided to keep secret (RBO being a HN Game), I had no reason to not just send the link

[astral agate]

Did the meeting say anything about patch 10 by chance?

[unkempt sleet]

I know that im talking about the chin

[safe charm]

No

[silver vine]

@strange lance what do you think of my amazing theory

[strange lance]

well tc

I'm not sure

[astral agate]

Aw man

[strange lance]

why is pre alpha man there

[shell gull]

Idk it’s been a bit since I looked at it but I’m pretty sure they were just saying the Games are the Core of the Franchise, but I might be wrong there.

[silver vine]

Basically. Trinity's house is designed based off of the house from HN1 which was made as a reference to pre Alpha players house

What I theorize is that, the previous owner of Trinity's house, who presumably died of mysterious ways, could be a reference to PAM

[steady nest]

Which site

[silver vine]

.

[steady nest]

Investormeet or what

Oh ok

[shell gull]

It’s a cool thing that TB acknowledged that Carly had a Great Spark with Writing HNs Lore.

[ripe berry]

you're right
there's no new/old lore
it's just lore

[strange lance]

now that we know rbo is a hn game how is it gonna like, connect to any hn game at all

[steady nest]

Oj yea i remember that one

R

B

O

[ripe berry]

the storm

[unkempt sleet]

Raven Brooks society falling after the HN2 storm

[versed yacht]

it seems to take place after the storm that causes ruined town

[strange lance]

like directly during hn2 ruined town or after hn2

[shell gull]

Depends on what Nikita does.

[ripe berry]

this guy could be a cultist

[silver vine]

prob after

Oh shit

[unkempt sleet]

ehh i'm not sure

[astral agate]

In the media section I noticed where the first gn is there are three books?

[strange lance]

I don't think nikita was thinking about hn2 lore when making designs

[silver vine]

Yeah

[astral agate]

Or are those pages of gn1

[ripe berry]

GN1 Pages

[strange lance]

also these people have non human skin so

[silver vine]

Those are pages

[ripe berry]

you can see textboxes

[strange lance]

blue and purple

[shell gull]

I was always saying it would be something after the Storm, makes sense why Robbers would try to steal from Semi-Destroyed Homes while Homeowners protect them during a Crisis.

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak Storm evolved people...

/j

[silver vine]

Mayak mutants

[strange lance]

yeah and then they all went back to normal once the town was fixed

[heady wing]

Mayutants

[shell gull]

Dudes got a Cult Symbol on that Cone.

[silver vine]

Franklin

[shell gull]

Obviously Not.

[ripe berry]

RBO won't have a proper map I think

[strange lance]

RBO in hn2s town would be awful

its obviously in another part of town

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, isnt every house gonna be its own map

[strange lance]

that we will not see in hn2

[silver vine]

Unmm.....this might be my opinion..... I am pretty sure they won't have that layout

[ripe berry]

the map needs to be infinitely expandable so that they can add a house for everyone who plays the game

[spark tulip]

oh, right
it's just gonna be that one house

[silver vine]

Nono, each player will have a different house

[ripe berry]

one house per player
and a menu screen to go between houses

[steady nest]

What if rbo is like the origin of raven brooks, where at first the town was constantly destroyed by storms so there was no stable community, so everyone stole from eachother. At some point, a dude or a group of dudes managed to get a lot of money and loot and became the upper class, and they build the museum and stuff

[shell gull]

Or it’s just one Big Chunk with separate Servers replaced with Each Persons House over the Main Spot.

[unkempt sleet]

yea i dont think it's that

[shell gull]

Ehhhhhh no.

[ripe berry]

if Nikita uses a town map for the house selection screen that's what has to be the case

[strange lance]

in rbo one of the lore boards says that the storm brought something with it, which could very well be when the guest first arrived, cause he was already in town before ruined town

[spark tulip]

i have made a severe error in my previous statement.
i must deeply apologize for my memory and lack of awareness.
please, if you could just find it in your heart to forgive me.... it would mean the world..

[silver vine]

Ok

[shell gull]

I mean so far when it comes to Origin we’ve got The Museum somewhat and that’s it.

[silver vine]

I forgive

[spark tulip]

okay, good

[silver vine]

I benvelont

I forgive everyone

[unkempt sleet]

I feel like it's when he started to be more active around the town so that more people started seeing it. so they thought the storm brought him

just a theory

[steady nest]

Naw but rbo is either a lot time before hnhs, or after act 3

[shell gull]

Fun Fact: The Museums Design is based on 40s-50s Old Manors, such as things like the Railings, Stairs even the Garage is consistent with it.

[steady nest]

Theres no way to make anither story in the act 2 era

Its too crowded

[unkempt sleet]

it's after HN2's storm

[shell gull]

Not really just stretch the Timeline

[spark tulip]

i definitely think it's before Act 3
it has to be

[ripe berry]

there's only one storm

we hear it in the background of HE
then see warnings for it in SN

then it hits in HN2

then we see the aftermath in RBO

[shell gull]

And also HN2

Since Act 2 has the Destroyed Town

[ripe berry]

HN2 shows direct aftermath
RBO shows the long-term aftermath

[safe charm]

Now im scared

[ripe berry]

oh shi

[strange lance]

yall they do not care if this stuff is posted we have literally done it before it is NOT a big deal 😭

[unkempt sleet]

yea uhh

[safe charm]

Welp time to get sued

[silver vine]

Tbf it's still in the act 2 era

Which is the era between acts 2 and 3

[unkempt sleet]

Technically it's after Act 2 era

[shell gull]

Late Quentin Era.

[unkempt sleet]

Act 2 era is focused on Nicky's escape from the basement

So it's after it

[silver vine]

Quentin security guard era

Jkjk

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[silver vine]

Quing Tongs

[shell gull]

Quill Tent

[ripe berry]

I personally view the timeline like this:
HNHS Launch Trailer/HND (Flashbacks)/HNHS
Nicky's HNVR Guest Investigations and events similar to Book 3
HN1 Act 1 (Minus Nightmare Sequences)
HE
SN Launch Version
other Pre-Quentin SN Versions (minus HG and AS Pilot Film Reels)
HN2 Late Fees
SN (Post-Quentin Versions)
HN2 Back to School
HNVR
HN2
RBO
Rest of HN1
HND

[silver vine]

I remember Nikita telling in the aloha 1 stream that Quing tings last name is important

But still even after 3 years we don't know

[strange lance]

cause its not important anymore

rip

[silver vine]

RIP

[heady wing]

If it's Gershowitz I'm gonna spontaneously combust (not fun)

[shell gull]

I see Digital Hardware…but no Quills and Ink 😔

[silver vine]

Imagine if they reveal it in AS

Like Kinander

[astral agate]

Peterson..../j

[silver vine]

Canandra

[shell gull]

Darby…Darby…Dar-

[silver vine]

Norman Quentin Darby

[astral agate]

Quentin journalist/j

[ripe berry]

there IS a timeline where it's
GN1
Book 4
Book 5
Book 6
Book 1
Book 2
Book 3
GN2
Neighbor's Notebook (?)
Book 7

[strange lance]

Quentin Darby

come on AS mess everyone up with his name

[shell gull]

I thought his Last Name was Otto, not his Full Name as Otto Kindander/Kinandra (For some reason Enzo and Leslie say it differently)

[silver vine]

It's Kinander

It's in the credits

[steady nest]

Nah it aint at that time im calling it

[shell gull]

Sick

[unkempt sleet]

why'd you think that

[silver vine]

Since Mayor is gonna be and have dialogue in season 2, I wonder his real name will be credited, or it'll be credited as just Mayor

[steady nest]

Cuz rbo started development a long time ago

[silver vine]

Not too long ago

[shell gull]

Watch them actually say Tavish.

[ripe berry]

pal

[steady nest]

And nikita said he cant comment on hn2s story meaning that stuff is still uncertain

[ripe berry]

RBO started development in January 2023

[steady nest]

Ye and

[ripe berry]

the Storm Plot's been planned since 2020

[steady nest]

Im calling it rbo will not take place during hn2s time

Storms happen all the time in rb anyway

[ripe berry]

sotrm plot's existed since 2020

[shell gull]

I love how they made the New Mayor literally the Same as the Book Mayor which makes it seem to be the Same Character, but they Retconned his Skin Color, which isn’t the First Time look at Maritza.

[ripe berry]

not in it's current form

but it did exist

[ripe berry]

reverse whitewashing

[shell gull]

Literally.

Like another Example is Mya and Diane’s hair getting Retconned from Dark Brown to Bright Ginger.

[silver vine]

*2019

SN storm warnings

[shell gull]

I guess they really hate keeping the same Colors for Characters.

[silver vine]

Guys

[shell gull]

Guys

[silver vine]

The investors site also talks about the importance of mobile gaming

[shell gull]

HND…

[silver vine]

This is giving me hope that HND might be revived by another studio

[shell gull]

That sounds nice.

[silver vine]

Also @shell gull what do you think of my new theory

[heady wing]

Does anyone know why Mya has a bird mark on her arm in Hide and Seek? I'm new and kinda dumb and just noticed that little detail

[silver vine]

Tatto

[ripe berry]

so apparently it's fine as long as we don't continue sharing it...
but it's kinda already public to all of HNG so...
Mission failed Jacky

[silver vine]

Idk whats the big deal here

Maybe they want to have an elaborate reveal of RBO

[ripe berry]

definitely

[shell gull]

Every time I click the Reply it doesn’t take me straight to it so I don’t know which message to look at.

Here hold one.

[ripe berry]

this is the image

[silver vine]

I think I added to many lines

But, it's only to connect

I also forgot the bull mug

Should update it tmrw

[shell gull]

You know, I think the PAM References are just PAM References, this is also Hurting my Brain so many Lines.

[silver vine]

Just ignore the lines

Look at the images

Look at how PAMs house turned into Trinity's

[shell gull]

So your saying the PAM was the Previous Owner of the Home but was Caught by The Guest?

[silver vine]

Guest or the cult

[shell gull]

Why does that sound a lot like MITH/M.J.

[silver vine]

But his death was covered up as "natural causes"

[shell gull]

Hm

[silver vine]

Cult and guest have killed several ppl

And all the blame is being thrown at poor Theo 😔

[shell gull]

See my only issue…Alphas Aren’t Canon just have Foreshadow and Symbolism, and to me it just seems the AS are making the Crude References to Past things which makes sense.

[silver vine]

There are just too many references to the past alphas

[shell gull]

I mean Tbf a lot of the Stuff happens Near his House.

And he’s always at the scene.

[silver vine]

True

The cult wants him to be the black sheep of the town

[shell gull]

I mean true but there’s also a ton of References to other TB games and I wouldn’t necessarily say those are Canon to HN.

[silver vine]

Happy humble burger farm is canonically a burger shop in Raven Brooks

[shell gull]

Oh god…

Still it’s just Crude References to me.

[shell gull]

I mean he’s the only one who’s still Alive trying to stop them and the whole Cursed Family thing is still a thing.

[ripe berry]

yeah

because Books still give info for the games

[shell gull]

Which honestly not surprising they haven’t killed him, he’s literally Mike Tyson with Einstein IQ.

[shell gull]

I guess so

So the Books and AS have become FNaF Books in relation to the FNaF games huh…

[ripe berry]

yeah

Silver Eyes

Frights has some canon stories
and Tales is canon

[shell gull]

The one Lore that I genuinely hate, which is FNaF and will NEVER care about it.

[ripe berry]

ye
FNaF lore sucks

anyways

[shell gull]

I still think Old Lore Guest is great.

Even if it’s turned into Info to Game Guest.

[ripe berry]

btw I do have a reason for thinking all versions of SN are at least semi-canon

so in December 2019 they destroyed the tower that existed on top of the Map 1 Ted's House
and slowly over updates you could see it disappear

[shell gull]

Huh, didn’t know that.

[strange lance]

It fell down on the grass during xmas

[ripe berry]

I didn't either until MouseFlash mentioned it like a few days ago

[strange lance]

Then in the patches that removed the xmas decor over time the tower got deconstructed until there was nothing

Still sad holo stopped doing cool stuff like that

[ripe berry]

but now that I know this occured I consider all SN Versions canon unless they make a statement that only the most recent SN Version is canon or it contradicts statements about the canon

[silver vine]

I don't think there's anything as "old lore guest" it's just guest

[ripe berry]

(HG was retconned due to HN2, and AS Pilot was decanonized by Alex)

I would've tried to make both HGA1 and HN2 work in a timeline
but Patch 9 Hotfix 4 confirms Beatrix disappears as a child and is presumed dead even now

[silver vine]

For all we know, she could be stuck in guest world

[shell gull]

As in Previous Lores Guest which was Book Guest which is carrying over a bit in Games, which if o were to guess, Book Guest is carrying his Character to the Games with him being Smart and Manipulative and also his Connections, while AS is also carrying Character but also Origin and Lore.

[silver vine]

Guest is just smart and manipulative. That's just his character.

[shell gull]

In Books anyone Kidnapped/Killed (Actually not Killed just thought to be) is stuck in The Nest, while AS…they are just Dead.

[silver vine]

There's no "book guest getting carried over" it's all the same guest

Books, games, AS

[ripe berry]

Alex and others came up with a definitive Guest Concept which will be fully be revealled in AS

[silver vine]

Whose to say they are just dead, apart from the ones we see the bodies of

[ripe berry]

the concept should be able to be applied to any Guest appearance we have

[shell gull]

Yeah but I’m talking about how Books and AS are telling us what these Characters are, which we clearly find in the Books and AS…mostly GN2 and RD for The Guest.

[silver vine]

We've barely seen anything from the guest in AS

[shell gull]

Wouldn’t make sense knowing what RD was leading up to as a Finale of the Books.

[silver vine]

No I'm talking about your statement of they are just dead in AS

Guest world might exist in AS as well

And Beatrix could be there

After all, that hole should lead to somewhere

[ripe berry]

it's just like the rifts in HE and Book 7

[shell gull]

Yeah Ik my bad there but currently all it seems is they are Dead, we don’t even know if The Nest exists in AS yet, and it’s heavily implied by the Note The Guest gave Trinity that they are just Dead.

[silver vine]

Who

Who is they

[shell gull]

“They” as in people killed by The Cult or Guest.

[silver vine]

The PPL who leave behind coins?

[shell gull]

Like the Realtor, or M.J.

[shell gull]

Yeah pretty much.

[silver vine]

Are you sure MJ is dead

We don't see his body

[ripe berry]

MJ and Beatrix have unknown fates

[silver vine]

Yes

[ripe berry]

(and before you say Patch 9 that was blocked off in Hotfix 4)

[unkempt sleet]

MJ turns into Mith and goes onto hiding...

[shell gull]

Pretty positive since his Body is in a Coffin and also since Quentin was going to Share his Fate.

[shell gull]

Yeah but it’s still there right?

[silver vine]

His body is not there

[ripe berry]

Beatrix is implied dead

but not confirmed

[silver vine]

She was never found

[shell gull]

Well then sure he might NOT be dead but we still don’t see anything of him yet.

[silver vine]

That's why I think she's in guest world

And Quentin will meet her

[ripe berry]

MitH meanwhile was implied alive by the Photos

[unkempt sleet]

Imagine if she's like a survivor in the Guest World

[shell gull]

I was always thinking it would be cool if after your Caught by The Guest you get put into this Minigame where you have to get out The Nest to get back to the Main Game.

[silver vine]

Imagine if patch 10 ends with Quentin falling into mayak pit

[shell gull]

I mean Fair ending.

[ripe berry]

I am Quentin "Norman" Darby I am coming from the Games and I am very knowledgable

[silver vine]

I feel like Quentin is his middle name

[shell gull]

We know with Old HN2 it ends with him getting sucked to the Past due to some Mayak stuff so…

Norman Darby is his Fake Name, most likely Quentin Darby just changed his Name.

[ripe berry]

:trolling:

[shell gull]

Snskkskans fncjxksolamem dkskskne dksksndndjfjejns dbdkznxndjdiskc

[silver vine]

I hope GAAP and mayak appear in HN2

Mayak has much higher chance of appearing imo

[shell gull]

All I’d like for Act 2 for seperate Segments, is Forest to GAAP to Abandoned Town to Mayak, I think that works best in my Eyes.

Still I’d like Act 1 to be Extended.

[silver vine]

We know everything that's gonna be in act 2

[shell gull]

True true but still

[ripe berry]

Catacombs to Crowman Shelter to Abandoned Town to Forest

[silver vine]

Catacombs, ruined town, guest shelter, forest

Forest ending is act 2 ending

[ripe berry]

then Act 3 could be GAAP to Mayak to Guest World

[silver vine]

I want act 3 to be gaap and mayak

And act finale to be guest world

Kinda like HN1

[shell gull]

I still think Abandoned Town would be more fitting in a Semi-Final

[silver vine]

I also hope that guest shelter is part of abandoned town

That'd basically be aloha 1,5 but in full game

[shell gull]

Mhm

What o want is Each Previous House to have a Different Type of Puzzle, Teds would be Fire where you need the Fire Extinguisher and Etc.

Though I hope each Act will be turned into an Open World where everything Correlates with Each other to beat the Act, which they somewhat did with The Forest in Patch 9

[silver vine]

I wonder how Theo will be involved in act 2

[shell gull]

Probably side thing

[silver vine]

Since his and his sons story is still not over

[shell gull]

I was thinking for a Final Ted will save us from a Cultist and we Team up with him, where we do the Puzzles while he fights off Cultist coming for Us using his Shovel.

[silver vine]

Speaking of cultists, I think they'll appear only in catacombs

[shell gull]

That would make me sad.

[silver vine]

It make sense

Everyone leaves the town

Cuz, storm

[shell gull]

Would make sense since we realize he isn’t the Bad Guy, and Ted also knowing we’re in trouble.

[shell gull]

Yeah but The Cult leaving doesn’t make sense to me.

[silver vine]

They have no reason to stay

[shell gull]

This is what they planned at least their Leader (Guest) planned, so why leave.

[silver vine]

And even if they stayed, they'd prob stay in the catacombs

Since town is destroyed

[shell gull]

I was thinking in the Abandoned Town they would be Patrolling.

[silver vine]

Maybe they can show up in act 3, since we basically know nothing about it

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[silver vine]

No that's guest

[shell gull]

True true but still, The Guest being the Main AI for a Whole Act is absurd to me.

[silver vine]

Maybe they could be patrolling the houses or idk

The main complaint of HN2 was lack of guest

[shell gull]

I was thinking since Quentin Denys The Guest he would also call The Cult to patrol across RB in case they find us while he hunts us down in The Forest.

[silver vine]

I mean, there will prob be more AIs like cultists, or maybe even Teperson

[shell gull]

True.

Gtg

👋

[silver vine]

Quentin denies the guest?

[shell gull]

Guest tries to Manipulate him after Freeing him, Quentin doesn’t fall for it like Regina, Guest gets angry like he did in GN2 and then tries to Hunt Us, that’s why we go from being Friends with Him to Enemies so quick, at least that’s what’s implied.

Anyways gtg 👋

[ripe berry]

cya!

[silver vine]

Bye

Good night guys

Nice talking lore

[ripe berry]

also I'm surprised how fast the turn from Manifestation was for some of you

[ripe berry]

cya!

[unkempt sleet]

That's a good thing...

[strange lance]

You guys can dislike that theory all you want but that doesn't change the fact that it has tons of evidence and is basically confirmed in gn2

I have yet to see anyone give me reasons as to why it can't be true

Btw I never even called it manifestation theory someone else did and I guess people just stuck with it?

[ripe berry]

yep

everyone just agreed to call it manifestation

[silver vine]

When I first theorised that guest was manifestation of an emotion right after GN2 came out, everyone hates my theory 😔

[ripe berry]

damn

[strange lance]

I didn't know you did, great minds think alike

[silver vine]

It was right after GN2 release

Like in 2021

I used to think it's a manifestation of loss

Since, yknow

[strange lance]

He lost everyone

Well at the time just mya and diane

He still had Aaron

Since the guest was there before Aaron went bye bye

Then in gn2 you have regina explicitly telling Ted hes the guest, Ted does not disagree and is about to ask her how she knows, she then blatantly says how both ted and the guest do the exact same things because of loneliness, when Ted goes against what he originally wanted the guest stops him and they become one

Its very

Very

Very obvious

Its honestly a really good narrative of self hate, depression, and dealing with loss

Teds anger at the world, the loss of his family members, and everything else culminated into a monster

Also before HE the game even happens people already knew the "raven man" existed as vandals had seen and drawn him in the park, so gn2 is correct when saying he is a local legend

Do you see how well all of this fits? This is why I like the original stuff so much

Not only is it so compelling (at least to me) but its just really easy to follow

I can only hope the AS gets less convoluted so people who do like the AS don't constantly have to make huge stretches when theorizing

Cause I see that a lot here

Anyway little bit is over I just like the story a lot :)

[silver vine]

Yes, guest was a thing before HE

Nicky has been investigating it

[silver vine]

Tbf, guest was getting too wacky in reset day

GN2 is a really really good book

The only thing which didn't make much sense to me was the ending with guest turning into Ted or vice versa

[silver vine]

Prob cuz I got bombarded and I didn't talk about it again

The only person who agreed with my manifestation of loss theory was Aidan

He thought HN2 would have have a deeper message like HN1 has with trauma and PTSD

[strange lance]

It probably was going to

Now its about greed and how far you'll go for your loved ones (which isn't really repredented in game?)

[silver vine]

Honestly, I actually prefer the way they are taking the guest story now, with him being an ancient entity

If they want they can have lots of prequels with it

[safe charm]

So is guest not physical? Physical

Until that

He seems more like a ghost like thing to me

[strange lance]

He is physical he can interact with people

[strange lance]

Idk to me that was always a very generic direction and makes him feel less unique and just "I'm so evil i'm gonna curse you all because I'm evil"

But if people like it I won't judge

[safe charm]

So were guest and Ted litteraly the same person? In a way

[strange lance]

In a way yes. The guest is just a part of Ted amplified, but hes not LITERALLY Ted hes still his own character

Its like how eleanor from fnaf is born from aftons agony but is still her own character

[safe charm]

So when guest connects to Ted in hnvr are they more connected

Then before mentally

Ig

[ripe berry]

I am 100% ok with the whole "The Guest is entity that feeds on people's Agony and Loss" part of the theory though, that feels in-character for the Guest to be that
it's just how the Guest is physical but the Thing isn't and that the Guest specifically forming from Ted (the second one is more-so personal opinion) that feels off to me

[muted moon]

He's only physical in reset day, the other times are definitely just Ted in a suit

[strange lance]

What do you guys mean by physical lmao

[muted moon]

As in like a physical being

[strange lance]

Hes...always been physical. He can interact with the world I don't get what you guys mean

Do you mean when he was first made? Like before he got the suit on?

Cause if its that his "true form" is just feathery goop

Like please help me understand lol

Do you mean how like, the thing isn't something that can physically harm people but the guest is?

Cause thats different

The Thing is just something in the mind

The Guest was something that was born into the world physically

He exists as an actual being

I don't see the confusion?

If you're asking "how was something like the guest made from ted" he just was

This kind of stuff is actually in a lot of media this stuff just spawns

One second nothing, the next boom you got a physical monster or entity before you

And in the guest's case he spawned as goop

Goop took the form of the park mascot after finding a spare costume and removing the eyes and boom you got a guest

[ripe berry]

but how?

logically manifestations would all be in the mind exclusively
Yet somehow the Guest appears physically

[strange lance]

I don't think you know what manifests means. Manifest does not literally mean "this thing appears"

[ripe berry]

I'm saying that because of the Thing
since the Thing is CONSISTENTLY Mental
why would any other "Manifestations" act any differently

[strange lance]

Manfiest means in simple terms "you can think your dreams and ideas into reality" this does not apply to the thing or the guest and should stop being used

The thing is just a representation of fear

[ripe berry]

I put Manifestation in quotations for that reason

Manifestation is just what people on this server are using to refer to the entities formed by Emotions

[strange lance]

Theres a difference between the thing and guest that people seem to ignore though, that being that the thing appears to multiple people, as in the hn universe that is just how immense fear represents itself. The Guest is specifically tied to Ted only which is what makes him distinct from the thing. In the guests case hes not just a mind thing and he doesn't appear to multiple people because hes not something everybody will feel, nobody but ted in that town felt the way he did, hence why hes a physical being because teds emotions were just that strong. Again I bring up how this is a common thing media does, these thing just appear, theres no reason for it, it just happens.

If you want a "reason" idk ted got mayak radiation and that made the goop when he was feeling those emotions

I shouldn't really have to explain all this gn2 already proves it anyway lol

Annnyway I'm done talking about this for now its just going in circles

[ripe berry]

clearly it doesn't do it well if only a few people realized it
but oh well
and yeah
let's just stop talking about it for now

[long cloak]

heya
howz doing?

[shell gull]

Different Variants of Manifestation.

[shell gull]

Not at all, Manifestation Theory even if the New Representation of Lore still is heavily backed up to the Point where it’s barely Theory, when it comes to Books and Games correlation (Old Lore which I guess isn’t Focused on anymore) Manifestation is the Core of the Entities, even if people disagree on it I’m still going to go deeper and deeper into E.O.M. Because at one point it was The Guests and The Things most promising Theory piece for the Lore before AS and HN2.

[shell gull]

Whoever did sound like a stupid loser idiot…

[strange lance]

you...

[shell gull]

Whattttt pffffff that ain’t me…

[strange lance]

true the guy in the picture has "nut" in his username

[shell gull]

Actually we call it E.O.M. (Entity of Manifestation) ☝️🤓

[shell gull]

Yeah who would put “Nut” in their name.

Stupid username

[frigid pumice]

I have a question

How does secret neighbor fit in the timeline

Or does it just hint that someone will betray everyone

[unkempt sleet]

For Animated Series, yea

[ripe berry]

it's the kids planning to save Nicky (don't ask me why they imagine some of the events they just do)

[strange lance]

SN (at least originally) was just the 6 kids playing pretend in one of their backyards, they all get called in for dinner by one of their moms and thats kinda the true ending of the game

No clue whats going on in the current version of SN with quentin and I don't think I wanna know lol

[silver vine]

Takes place between acts 1 and 2 of the main game

Story of the player's friends trying to save him

[ripe berry]

the plan is put into action in Hello Neighbor VR

[silver vine]

There's no traitor in HNVR tho

[ripe berry]

yeah, that's one of the things they straight up just imagined for some reason
In AS there's actually a traitor though

[hollow remnant]

the traitor is just in their imagination

[silver vine]

But there is an actual traitor tho

In the cartoon

[hollow remnant]

the animated series is a different continuity

[ripe berry]

if you want a rough timeline
here
HNHS Launch Trailer/HND (Flashbacks)/HNHS
HN1 Act 1 (Minus Nightmare Sequences)
HE
SN Launch Version
other Pre-Quentin SN Versions (minus HG and AS Pilot Film Reels)
HN2 Late Fees
SN (Post-Quentin Versions)
(SN Rocket Event is the last event in SN chronologically)
HN2 Back to School
HNVR
HN2
RBO
Rest of HN1
HND

you can add or remove from this but this is the rough order of games in the timeline

[silver vine]

Doesn't make it any less canon

[hollow remnant]

i never said it wasn't canon

[ripe berry]

if HN1 Remake comes out, any story changes they make will likely retcon over the events of HN1 in the timeline

[silver vine]

The kids wouldn't imagine a traitor for no reason

[shut hill]

hn1 remake will be episode 4 the game..

[silver vine]

Nah

[shut hill]

heh

[silver vine]

The thing everyone forgets is that Nicky has broken into the house several times

In the cartoon

[ripe berry]

and in the Books he breaks in several times before Act 1