lore-discussion

[astral agate]

Oh I thought you meant you saw the actual character

[ripe berry]

(don't got any ideas how to segway into this so)
the Youtuber Package sent to youtubers fits with Norman Darby as it's clear it's not Quentin due to the Package Sender already knowing all about the Cult, their tie to MJ's Disappearance, etc. when Quentin would only figure that out part way through HN2 (where we don't see him make the package)
it's not MJ since they refer to MJ in the Third Person "HE got too close to them"
Norman Darby fits the Crpytic Messages on the Newspapers (Norman is KNOWN for Cryptic Messages) and them having to be a Journalist due to knowing the Passcode for the RBBArchives
and if you say "Norman Darby is Quentin" that's a THEORY for OLD LORE
in NEW LORE he could be retconned to someone different IF the Theory of Quentin being Norman was true

only doesn't fit that Package Sender seems to be enemies with Ted based off the Recording but Norman and Ted are known to be working together in the Books

We know MJ was a friend of Otto's so we have no way of specifically using the newspaper to link to Norman Darby

if Norman and MJ are the same the Package Sender is a mystery still
if Norman and the Package Sender are the same they have the problem of Package Sender and Ted not seeming to be friends

[hazy slate]

However, we can speculate that it's Norman due to how he communicates with Aaron in the books.

(He has also been seen communicating via a telephone. As in the amount of rings)

[ripe berry]

yeah

[shell gull]

I love the Press

[shell gull]

It could be the Sender giving Proof of what The Cult can do, using Ted as an Example.

[ripe berry]

Good point!
that removes the one flaw I could think of with the info we have

[ripe berry]

"There's 2 sides to the story"
The Story in question:

(Ending that there before it gets political)

[supple coral]

we still cant rule out that norman is just quentin and theres more to quentin we don't know

that's how its been since book 6 came out

[ripe berry]

that's for Old Lore though
not New Lore

[supple coral]

norman might not exist anymore then tbh

i did have this though in case anyone was curious about the norman/quentin case

its pretty old but

[ripe berry]

I'm having to assume a new lore Norman exists and is similar to how he is in the books for that

[supple coral]

maybe

would be strange though cause so far we have like zero signs of book involvement outside of the cult existing

idk i havent seen the AS since it came out lol

not really rewatch worthy

[ripe berry]

also I think it's impossible for New Lore Quentin to be Norman using the timeline you're describing

it has nothing to do with info in AS but rather info in HN2 itself

[supple coral]

I know this series is like "normal people get involved in weird shit" but having another side to quentin we dont know about would be pretty cool

hn2 is very surface level and the story has like no depth so it makes sense quentin just seems like some dude

[ripe berry]

the Beatrix Missing Newspaper calls Beatrix's Brother "Q-" (it cuts off after the Q) and the game implies through Coffee Cups and a TV Monitor Q is Quentin

however Norman doesn't have a Q in it nor is there anything that could be changed to have a Q and be pronounced "Norman" when the Wayron Croobian is reorganized because I know for a FACT that is a rule with Wayron Croobian
you can't insert random letters
it still has to have similar pronounciation when you put the letters in the correct order

[supple coral]

yeah cause he hid his identity or whatever

[ripe berry]

example:
Wayron - Raywon - Raven

[supple coral]

classic quentin

[ripe berry]

Beatrix Newspaper though

it's set when they're KIDS

[supple coral]

oh yeah

sometimes i forget about patch stuff

[ripe berry]

he has NO REASON to hide his identity

[supple coral]

well then its probably unlikely in new lore then lol

not really sure who norman is

i dont think hes MJ though

[ripe berry]

I agree with this much

MJ feels different enough from Norman that they're two separate people

[supple coral]

time for me to bust out my old lore doc

ok so he did have papers he sent to people

[ripe berry]

if anything Norman Darby would have to be the fake identity if you try to combine Current HN2 with Books into a singluar timeline and assume Norman is Quentin

[supple coral]

when i made that thing hn2 wasnt exactly "new lore" yet

it was like jan 2021

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[supple coral]

i did tweak it a bit to clarify cause at the time the banner was the mirror so in the latest revision i added in the banner

[ripe berry]

for Old Lore people often use the HN2 Beta for their timeline

[supple coral]

my crack theory about the beta map and time loops:

[ripe berry]

?

[supple coral]

i had a theory that quentin was timelooped after the tutorial since the barn is reverted to the state it was in prior to the tutorial but its like 95% a dev oversight lol

2022 me was on crack

[ripe berry]

they fixed that but most do actually believe time loops are involved in the Quentin/Norman Darby Story if they believe Normantin

[supple coral]

im trying to rewrite hn2 but i wanna make it nonlinear which is hard to do when google docs are usually linear

[ripe berry]

bruh I was typing out my personal idea of Normantin when my discord crashed and I had to reload it

[hazy slate]

Norman Darby is GGY

simple as that

[supple coral]

what

[ripe berry]

(not that I believe it but if it's true I have a idea for it)

[ripe berry]

He's joking

[supple coral]

oh thats the fnaf thing

[ripe berry]

I didn't explain it in-depth in a old dm but I'm not retyping everything again so Imma just copy-paste the tldr timeline I presented in the dms

Quentin Moves into RB, people look at him funny -> (HN2 Events during the Beta Era) -> Guest Loops Quentin back in time -> to hide his identity Quentin goes by Norman Darby, now with knowledge of the future -> Norman investigates the Forest Protectors before his boss tries to kill him -> Norman goes into hiding for 30 years -> Norman does Books 5-6 stuff -> Norman goes back to calling himself Quentin and seems to make his existence Public (Press Tag says Quentin in the Beta even in the Intro) -> Quentin does Beta Intro Stuff investigating new creature (Guest) -> Guest attacks Quentin and wipes his memory, placing him to move back into Town -> Repeat

(Quentin hides Identity so as to not mess with his "backstory" when he eventually has to go public again)

[ripe berry]

there is a pre-loop timeline but we don't have anything from it so I'm not mentioning the Pre-Loop version of Events

[ripe berry]

Norman Investigates Forest Protectors since they're similar to the creature that sent him back in time in the first place (Guest)

it's actually MORE CLEAR some time loop shit is going on since the Barn DOESN'T reset when the Intro Ends

AND the fact you can see Quentin still has HIS name attached to the Press Badge in the Barn section of the Intro

[ripe berry]

I also use this version where it's only Quentin and Norman as it works better with the established rules of Time Loops in Book 7 where only a part of the world gets time looped and fits with everything observable in the Beta

[muted moon]

this doesnt really make sense though

[supple coral]

wait hang on let me check something

[ripe berry]

same is true with all Normantin explanations because Book 7 makes it clear time loops only affect a certain area
yet it's the 1990s both inside AND outside of Raven Brooks

[storm talon]

So... aaron is the crowman, and thats how he unlocked the door in HN act 2. And another reason why Mr. Peterson is afraid of him, along with the death of his daughter. That.... Makes sense, i guess.

[muted moon]

im pretty sure using beta to try and figure out lore isnt a good idea

most of the barn stuff was made last minute based on code

[ripe berry]

90% of people use the Beta as the "Canon" version of HN2 in Old Lore

meant old

not new

[muted moon]

i mean the main gameplay part is fine

but probably not the barn

like half of it seems to have been replaced

from whatever it originally was

[muted moon]

half of the barn quests were the very first quests made for the hn2 beta, the other half were made last

[storm talon]

How, did i not think of that solution earlier? I mean, it makes some sense, and VR ties in with the lore and the books and crap. But dang, i never woulda guessed.

[ripe berry]

still it's the closest we have to whatever they were planning to be "canon" to Old Lore

[storm talon]

They screwed up lore with quinten.

it shoulda have just been adult nicky.

[supple coral]

why

that was never planned

[muted moon]

that makes even less sense

[ripe berry]

(Germany is also in the 1990s)

[muted moon]

the quests for picking up the camera and completing the barn were some of the first quests ever made
the quests for the guest breaking in and taking photos of the guest were some of the last quests ever made

[ripe berry]

this is problem because unlike Book 7 where the offset is only like a year or 2
with Normantin the time loop required would make a 30 year offset

[supple coral]

i think the offset is like half a year

[ripe berry]

under Normantin?

[supple coral]

reset day

its summer 2022 in the real world and november 2021 in reset day

[ripe berry]

oh wait yeah

[muted moon]

reset day is im pretty sure constantly changing?

its at most a year

always

sometimes only a few days

[supple coral]

its always november

[storm talon]

how does it make sense adding a new character with no backround, don't even explain him or give him a backstory, if there already a good (familiar)character for the sequel. Plus it makes Secret Neighbor just odd.

[supple coral]

just certain days are different

the latest they got to was end of november

i think

[ripe berry]

yeah the length of the loop changes but it always loops back to November 2nd and it stays in November

[muted moon]

oh ok

[storm talon]

I mean, at least put him in the books to give him some insight on things.

[supple coral]

he kinda is

[muted moon]

he is

hes in book 6

[supple coral]

at least in an old lore

[storm talon]

WHAT.

[supple coral]

norman darby is basically just quentin

like its the same guy

[storm talon]

...?

[muted moon]

norman is quentin but looped back

[storm talon]

Yea ok, then im good👍

[muted moon]

mith probably is too

[supple coral]

refer to this

[ripe berry]

Normantin uses the fact Norman seems to know the future as a key point for the theory
but the only sensible explanation for that creates a offset too large for any character in the Aaron Trilogy to not notice it considering they were also in Germany
and if Germany is also in the 1990s that means no Loops with a long enough period of time have occured

[supple coral]

this is basically every connection we have on norman and quentin

[storm talon]

Is secret neighbor just a loop of them being trapped, then?

[muted moon]

no

[supple coral]

i dont even know what secret neighbor is at this point

[storm talon]

then why add quinten?

[supple coral]

i think quentin is just there for gameplay i dont really get it

they also have otto

[muted moon]

pre-quentin secret neighbor is canon

[supple coral]

i think its all canon just really really warped lol

[storm talon]

yea, maybe there'll be a good explenation for otto, quinten, the ghost, butcher, and Guest

[supple coral]

none of it is real but its atleast some kind of event in the universe

[ripe berry]

they said Quentin in SN is canon kinda

[supple coral]

wharg

[storm talon]

what?

fr?

[supple coral]

idk SN is the strangest lorewise

i guess thats what happens when you need to give your game updates

not that theyre even giving it updates anymore lol

[storm talon]

sigh yea.

[ripe berry]

Ok the Quentin in SN being canon is a mix of two things:
#secret-neighbor message
#secret-neighbor message
The first one is a response to tinyCrow asking if something happened to allow for a 7th kid class, then after the first message tinyCrow hoped they didn't make SN non-canon, which the dev then responded with "everything according to the canon"

[muted moon]

i dont think quentins time loop is really a time loop

its more just sending him back like 30 years

[storm talon]

i gotta read the 5th book and up. i got behind a while ago

[muted moon]

would he even be alive 30 years before?

its definitely not a time loop

its something else

[storm talon]

oh...

[ripe berry]

this is referring to Quentin for sure as they were talking about the 7th kid class
Otto wasn't even teased to exist as a class at the time so if he's canon or not isn't clear but Quentin was teased as Kid Class 7 at the time means this is calling him canon

[ripe berry]

his age isn't known

[storm talon]

so the... thing, does it send them back thirty years, but they stay the same age?

[muted moon]

he looks like hes either in his late 20s or early 30s

[ripe berry]

there's nothing else in Lore that sends a person "back in time" though

not that's been established at least

[muted moon]

theres no way it was a time loop though

[ripe berry]

and Gerda looks to be in her 30s yet is canonically in her late 40s-early 50s

appearances don't correlate with age

[muted moon]

unless quentin is 50+ it cant be a time loop

[ripe berry]

exactly
Time Loops are the only known way for a person to be sent "back in time" in HN
but it's impossible to be a time loop

if you say the Guest gained that ability-
first off do you believe the Guest is a Manifestation or not?

[muted moon]

idk

[supple coral]

https://tenor.com/view/majima-yakuza-office-majima-police-officer-kiryu-chan-gif-20123613

sinkholes:

[ripe berry]

they're caused by the same thing that the SAME GAME establishes can cause time loops

[muted moon]

guest only really began appearing when guest world appeared

[supple coral]

90% sure guest world is not a real thing

[muted moon]

it is

[ripe berry]

HE establishes Time Loops can be caused by the Purple Lightning via Ted's Chalk Board in the ending having a Lightning Bolt and a (Square Rooted) Infinity Symbol

[muted moon]

in super old hn2 the neighbor was supposed to quite literally drive a car through a portal into guest world

[ripe berry]

and there's sinkholes all over the GAAP from Ted's Time Loop Experiments which are heavily implied to be caused by the same Purple Lightning

[muted moon]

i dont think theyd change the entire concept

what if the neighbor accidentally opened a portal to guest world, accidentally freeing the guest, while trying to find a way to get his family back?

[muted moon]

mya and diane would both be dead at this time

aaron would be in the basement

[ripe berry]

because there it's basically a "pick one or the other" situation
as if the Guest doesn't have this ability then every ability he uses is sensible for a Manifestation to have
but then if he can't have conviently have this ability there's no other way for Quentin to end up back in time
but if it does have this ability that's used to send Quentin back in time
now the Guest is using a ability that can't be explained by it being a manifestation and makes no sense for a manifestation to have
thus making it impossible for both to co-exist

[supple coral]

caved in and got mid so i can look for stuff

pray for me

[ripe berry]

but no matter what there's a problem due to Norman Darby being even remotely aware of the future

[muted moon]

what if the guest lured quentin into guest world, and sent him back in time from there?

the guest does seem to have some control over guest world

[ripe berry]

Guest World doesn't exist before 1995 under Manifestation

certaintly didn't exist long enough ago to send him to 1965

[muted moon]

manifestation doesnt really make much sense

how could the neighbors bad thoughts and emotions manifest an entire freaking dimension

[ripe berry]

it basically does the same for Nicky though
the Fear Rooms

[muted moon]

fear rooms only existed in his mind

guest world is very real

[ripe berry]

yeah that's the one thing that annoys me about Manifestation

but one can argue we simply don't have enough data to know how Manifestations truly work

[muted moon]

the only possible example of a manifestation is the guest

[ripe berry]

the Thing is one too

[muted moon]

the thing is just nickys trauma

[ripe berry]

but that's only one emotion

[muted moon]

it cant think

it cant act

[ripe berry]

it also exists for the Rescue Squad though?

[ripe berry]

(Secret Neighbor's Neighbor turns into the Thing upon death)

(and then it disintergrates)

[muted moon]

why would the sn kids have trauma prior to getting locked in the basement

[ripe berry]

Thing isn't just trauma anymore
it's also Fear
Reminder SN is CANON

[muted moon]

i dont think manifestation theory is true

it just doesnt make sense

[ripe berry]

same here

also reminder Norman's "telling of the Future" isn't 100% accurate
Norman claims the Red Key would free Aaron when it actually frees Nicky as shown in HNVR

[muted moon]

the guest has to be something else

[ripe berry]

if anything if feels like he got short glimpses into the future
but not enough to properly understand everything
Norman THINKS Nicky frees Aaron with the Red Key
when Actually Aaron frees Nicky with the Red Key

[muted moon]

have we ever seen the guest actually do actions outside of guest world?

[ripe berry]

the ones we've seen (other then whatever's going on with the Plushies) are all explainable under manifestation

[shut hill]

Well idk about the neighbor disintegrating part is..

[muted moon]

but like what actions

[ripe berry]

wdym by "actions" exactly

[muted moon]

like physically interacting with the world

using his powers outside guest world

[ripe berry]

when you kill the Neighbor in SN it turns into the Thing THEN the THING disintergrates and reforms in the Respawn Room

[shut hill]

Yea… I’m not so sure about that particular thing being canon

Just an effect for the game

[ripe berry]

the powers we see him use are Teleportation, that one bit in GN2 where he seems to form from water, and possess Ted

[muted moon]

but never interact with the environment

only just appear

[ripe berry]

we already know SN is imagination
and the Thing's not a real physical being

[muted moon]

or manipulate

[shut hill]

Yea ik

[ripe berry]

so it taking the form of a version the Neighbor in this IMAGINED reality makes sense

[muted moon]

what if guest is more of a hallucinatory being?

[ripe berry]

plus I'm talking Old Lore here not New Lore

[muted moon]

it can only manipulate people to do its wishes outside of guest world

in guest world, it can do whatever it wants

[ripe berry]

Beta Intro shows it interacting with Reality

I know you don't think it's entirely reliable

[muted moon]

reminder: beta intro isnt exactly trustworthy

[ripe berry]

but it breaks open the Barn's Doors

then they SPECIFICALLY updated it to make sure those Doors REMAIN Open

whatever the Guest does in the Beta Intro is the one weird thing Manifestation doesn't explain

[ripe berry]

on Launch those doors would close after the Beta Intro

[muted moon]

neighbor in a suit?

the guest suit is still a thing

[ripe berry]

The Glowing Light coming from it's beak?

[muted moon]

quentin waking up?

[ripe berry]

the lack of eyes on the Guest in this scene?

[muted moon]

i mean the better suit

[ripe berry]

also wait yeah the costume appearing makes no sense under manifestation

[ripe berry]

You're saying it's a dream?

but I just said they updated it specifically to show it's reality

again

originally the Barn's Doors closed once that part of the Intro was completed

[muted moon]

in a super old hn2 intro (pipe to other world intro), after getting attacked in the barn, you would later wake up

[ripe berry]

when the Beta 1.1 Update dropped they changed this to have the Barn Doors remain open

[ripe berry]

and you can see the area has the same Board as the Beta Intro claims it to
with the same fake kid outside
and the doors smashed open still

[muted moon]

specifically quentin, not anyone else, enters the barn, gets attacked, and then wakes up in his car

does not make sense

also, they updated the e3 map to something close to the beta map in about 4 months

[ripe berry]

even if we assume that isn't meant to be Quentin in the Beta Intro despite what can be observed in-game
the events of Beta Intro still occur in reality

[muted moon]

(late july 2021, alex shows himself playing e3 map. early november 2021, alex shows a screenshot of early beta map)

[ripe berry]

we dunno what the Guest after he got jumped at did to Quentin

[muted moon]

then in december the beta map was finished

they definitely did not spend long turning the e3 map into the beta map

probably just made a few things (like barn scene) to fill in what was left to make

[ripe berry]

we're lacking so much information that we can't be sure of what occurs exactly in the Beta Intro

[muted moon]

exactly

[ripe berry]

we know it's real

but not the exacts of what's going on there

[muted moon]

anyway, im gonna have lunch, probably will be back later

[ripe berry]

or if it's not real
something NEAR IDENTICAL
occurs in reality

[ripe berry]

cya!

[ripe berry]

all we have to go off of is what's visible in said intro and in-game afterwards

also the fact that the Guest attacks Quentin if he strays from the intended intro path in the Beta too

he just

appears

then attacks Quentin

then Quentin wakes up on the Floor

[muted moon]

One more thing to mention before I go, originally, in e3 intro, it looks like the barn scene wasn't a thing, since it fades from black

[ripe berry]

yeah

[stiff spire]

so that means Quentin would've just dozed off randomly if it weren't for the barn addition of course

[ripe berry]

which also means you using this Intro as evidence Barn Tutorial in the Beta was a dream doesn't make sense as Barn Tutorial didn't yet exist

[ripe berry]

yeah

[stiff spire]

I'm glad they put in the barn addition

[ripe berry]

then again that was likely a easy way to show the clumsy bit of Quentin's personality during that era before they added the Barn Tutorial to the game

[muted moon]

im pretty sure they just reused the barn concept for beta

originally it was just dozing off

but they decided to add the old barn concept they had

[muted moon]

i never said it WAS a dream

theres like 2 ways to interperate the super old intro

1: it happened, but after getting attacked, you fell asleep, and later wake up

2: it was a dream

[silver vine]

Nah bruh

I personally asked Ozvard

He told me that theres a change in the story of SN and that change allows them to canonicaly add Quentin to SN

He also said that SN is completely canon, and Quentin being in SN is also according to the canon

[stiff spire]

wait what

that's crazy

[strange lance]

the story change 100% just being "oh the kids saw quentin doing good things in the AS and imagined Quentin helping them in their fictional scenarios"

despite SN supposed to be taking place while Nicky is kidnapped so this doesn't work at all lol

this is why trying to shove the AS into games with pre-established lore and stories does not work and shouldn't be done

[stiff spire]

ikr

my head is starting to hurt seeing them try to add canon here and there

idk at this point honestly

but we'll see what happens of course

[silver vine]

Nah bruh

What I think the story change is that the story changed from being an imaginary plan to save Nicky, to the kids reliving the events in nightmares, therapies, etc.

[strange lance]

I guess that makes some sense, still not a fan of them attempting to just rewrite everything though. Not like I follow the AS anyway, I'll stick to the og stuff

[winter mason]

That’s what I was thinking ☠️

3am insanity

[stiff spire]

I mean some if not most people in this server live in different time zones so

ig you're right somewhat

[worn ibex]

Wait is this channel to discuss the AS lore or just lore in general?

[hazy slate]

all lore

[worn ibex]

And are the books canon?

Anymore?

[hazy slate]

unfortunately it seems like they're forcing the AS to be the canon timeline

[worn ibex]

Ohhhhhhh

[hazy slate]

I suppose you could argue games are a different timeline though

[worn ibex]

Sheesh that is... Interesting to say the least

Ok well I wanted to ask a question about the guest

[safe charm]

I mean they didnt throw book lore out of the Window like some say they just changed it up a lot

Because some stuff is still relavent from them

[worn ibex]

Hmm

Yeah I know but a lot of it has Ben changed now, no?

[unkempt sleet]

details are different but the base story is the same

[safe charm]

Yeah

[hazy slate]

Yeah, it's just mostly gone

[safe charm]

Alex didnt say were scrapping the Books completely he Said AS would diverge

A bit from them

[worn ibex]

Well, anyway, here's my question.. is it known if the guest was originally or is still supernatural or

[unkempt sleet]

Stuff introduced in the books are also important in the AS, like the cult and mayak

[worn ibex]

Is it someone in a costum cause I know it's been a bit of both

[safe charm]

Also Alex Said they worked with Everybody involved

[worn ibex]

It used to be Mr Peterson and then it was like a demon that possessed Mr Peterson and other people and then just a demon

[safe charm]

In the franchise to make the AS sooo

[worn ibex]

So I'm just confused as to what the guest is supposed to be

[unkempt sleet]

Guest is a supernatural entity

[worn ibex]

Oh ok

Is it known what he is or why he exists at all?

[unkempt sleet]

Not really

Not yet

[worn ibex]

Oh ok then

[astral agate]

I'm sorry. They were gonna make it LIVE ACTION???

[safe charm]

At one point maybe

[astral agate]

I'm sorry. But that would be better than the one we got ngl

Depending how it would've looked

Not saying the AS at the moment is bad

It's just live action sounds WAY cooler

[unkempt sleet]

So a hypotethical live action HN series would be better than an actual existing Animated HN series?

nah

Not everything has to be live action

and for a series like HN where it's style is being cartoony

[astral agate]

It would've been way scarier ngl

They could do a lot more

[unkempt sleet]

No?

[astral agate]

Who says the live action couldn't be cartoony?

[unkempt sleet]

Animation allows them to do more

[unkempt sleet]

How can live action be cartoony when you can you know just do an actual cartoon

[astral agate]

Animation isn't bad. It's just live action sorta fits the idea of a hn series more

It would've cost a lot more tho

So I can see why it was scrapped

Like if they wanted to they could make the sets look cartoony

[ripe berry]

so this means the AS Finale has at the very least reached the storyboarding stage?

or is he talking about something else

[ripe berry]

also Nikita is involved in the Animated Series Story

Got it

[safe charm]

He must be

The only way not is if alex was lying here bit i dont think so

[silver vine]

Nikita was clearly involved in AS

Since the Petersons stick together was his idea for a game opening it seems

[hollow parrot]

AS?

[silver vine]

Animated series

[unkempt sleet]

Bro doesnt know Nikita

He's the creator of HN

[astral agate]

What's wrong with that?

The performance just has to be good

[crude dew]

you got a point very much
the cartoony style makes it a bit different (unwillingly)

plus they'd make Theodore ugly, while he was canonically designed to be handsome (god bless Elena)

the person who designed the Neighbor you know today

[astral agate]

If the series was live action?

They wouldn't really

It's just a situation of finding the right actor

[warm finch]

At the end of vr

Was that

The start of act 2

[astral agate]

Yeah but like

[warm finch]

Where Nicky gets freed by Aron

[astral agate]

The actor of Ted in the AS looks like Ted irl

[unkempt sleet]

It is

[warm finch]

And also is Aron the guest or was he just possessed

Seeing the guest in front of your for the first time was shocking it was actually so cool

[unkempt sleet]

Aaron is not the Guest

[warm finch]

Alr thanks

[unkempt sleet]

in HNVR Guest manipulated Aaron

[warm finch]

Looked like Mr Peterson was scared of the gust

Guest

[warm finch]

We need vr 2 the second half of the game was genuinely fun

[astral agate]

Exactly

There are tons of child actors that look like nicky

It's actual kids

[unkempt sleet]

There is kid actors yea

[ripe berry]

the ones Alex just sent in the chat or the ones from Yesterday?

he sends them here too

he was actually just in the HNG Chat

wait why did I call it the HNG Chat, all these chats are in HNG, it's the #hello-neighbor channel he was in

[ripe berry]

is it just me or

Guest likely killed someone

[wicked heath]

bc ppl are dum

[tawny badge]

Idk man im pretty sure the picture is hanging on nickys wall

blue wallpaper

[shell gull]

Huh, peculiar.

[crude dew]

there were so many storylines, we aren't sure anymore. maybe.
Aaron to this day has more logical chance to be possessed than anyone else. just sayin.

[crude dew]

where's the second one from?

[solid dew]

early draft of book 1 found recently

[shut hill]

Because it’s literally hanging up in his room

Same wallpaper

[crude dew]

I mean, where was it sent?

[ripe berry]

https://x.com/Dizzy6262/status/1800383274596048903

Dizzy (@Dizzy6262) on X

Quick thread on the things I found that are different in this uncorrected proof:

Twitter · Jun 11, 2024, 4:23 AM

this is where the images were first shared

or well most of them

some were shared a bit before in the replies about them finding the uncorrected Missing Pieces proof

[shut hill]

Yea

Me Petersons Guest clip

Same blue wall

[supple coral]

isnt this usually called a group photo

[ripe berry]

I was just pointing out the photos are a bit similar
I myself think I'm probably reading too much into it

[shell gull]

In VR, it’s either he was Possessed or just a Gameplay thing between the Dolls.

[twilit lagoon]

So Hello Neighbor is based in Missouri but what town is Raven Brooks based off of?

[stiff spire]

good question

[twilit lagoon]

Anyone?

My closest guess would be Branson MO

[supple coral]

voronezh in russia

that was the original inspiration

[vital inlet]

есть русские?

[rain sluice]

Hi, we have there a RU channel, the link here #russian-chat

[vital inlet]

спс

[subtle crest]

you just a real fan of hn

[agile creek]

Wait so is Secret Neighbor like the non-canon version of Search and Rescue or

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor is canon

it's imagination

[twilit lagoon]

According to the wiki, yes

[ripe berry]

think like everything but the cutscenes in HNHS

Rocket Event is the only "Reality" part of SN

or well it's ending

Where it's just kids huddled around drawing stuff in the dirt
(which based off SN's Trailer is a plan to save Nicky from the Basement)

(or was until they started imagining things like going to space)

[versed yacht]

SN and SAR are basically meant to tell the same series of general events, which is the rescue squad saving Nicky

[ripe berry]

one is just much more grounded in reality (HNVR/SAR) then the other

[safe charm]

Btw dizzy a question with Theodore in the AS do you think it’s still semi his fault

That his rides failed like he didn’t put safety features on

Or do you think it’s fully the cult now

[ripe berry]

the Trophies, while imagination, do give us lore due to them talking about the actual things

[versed yacht]

I think it's a mix of both

We'll have to see ig

[ripe berry]

Mayak Trophy talks about the creation of Mayak
MitH Trophy talks about MitH
Lucy Yi Trophies talk about Lucy Yi
Snow Event is just a in-universe Comic book the RS made
etc etc

[safe charm]

I hope so because I wouldn’t like if they make Ted just be a misunderstood victim I think prefer him genuinely being a villain instead of an anti hero that is just trying to defeat the cult or something

[versed yacht]

I don't think they're trying to make him a villain with the rollercoaster incident, I think he had good intentions but it all just collapsed when the accident happened

I think it's always been like that

[safe charm]

Why did Nicky trilogy show him almost as a monster

Then

AT times

Ik that’s old not canon anymore but still

[versed yacht]

Because he's not right in the head and is genuinely an evil guy

But I don't think stuff like the Lucy incident was done intentionally, in the books he cut safety features to make the ride more exhilarating, but I don't think he intended to kill anyone with the ride

[safe charm]

You think mr Peterson personality change from Aaron trilogy and Nicky trilogy is an inconsistency?

Because even in that home video that’s when gaap was made he’s shown to be angry at his family a lot

In missing pieces

[versed yacht]

I think it's just meant to show he's always had a screw loose

He's always been an easy to anger guy, and he's not right in the head, but I don't think he was ever exactly evil until he found out about the cult and stuff

[safe charm]

I kinda hope that’s still a thing but I’m not sure about it anymore

AS so far seems to imply he was fully normal atm

[versed yacht]

Im assuming something probably changed after Franklins death

[safe charm]

Yeah

[versed yacht]

And it got worse and worse over time as more stuff happened

[safe charm]

Weird how that would actually fit the book version of him lol

Because it would explain his

Unhinged behavior more

[ripe berry]

since the chat is talking about Ted
I personally see him as more of a neutral party
he's not exactly a GOOD Guy
but he isn't 100% Bad

[safe charm]

Idk why but I find the book version a little bit more unsettling so far even if AS ted is way more dangerous

I think it’s the way he’s described at times that’s a bit disturbing

[ripe berry]

because
sure he was trying to eliminate a dangerous cult
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLOW UP A SCHOOL TO DO THAT

[versed yacht]

I like the idea of him being normal and losing it as he loses literally everything around him throughout his entire life

[safe charm]

Same him just being a psychopath or something wouldn’t been that interesting

[versed yacht]

I like both approaches they've taken with Ted

Him never really being right in the head and him only going insane after losing his family

[safe charm]

I like both but I do think I prefer the always had a screw lose approach but idk

[ripe berry]

he doesn't care if he harms innocents while trying to get revenge for the family he lost to the Cult
and as Nicky keeps breaking into his house he slowly goes more and more insane pushing him to these points where he's willing to kidnap and threaten kids

[safe charm]

I just think it fits the current lore

Because of everything he’s been through in his past

[ripe berry]

Alex basically confirmed he's losing more of sanity as the show goes on
#hello-neighbor message

[safe charm]

Well I would as well

If I were him

[versed yacht]

People seem to be afraid of the idea that Ted is gonna be an anti hero and the thing is I don't really see why he would be one

He's always been an antagonist, and while I think there's a chance he might help Trinity with the Guest, I don't think he's doing it in the sense of being a good guy

[ripe berry]

he's lost his family
his career
and now a kid's repeatedly breaking into his home, EVEN BRINGING THE NEW GIRL IN TOWN ALONG WITH HIM?

[safe charm]

I like that some people on YouTube says why did you make him such a violent man isn’t he supposed to be misunderstood?

[ripe berry]

And TWO of these were partly caused by the same group of people

the GAAP Incident in the books IS partly Ted's Fault for not installing emergency breaks

[versed yacht]

That's the funny thing, because even though he's always been sort of shown to have his own problems, he's still an evil guy

[silver vine]

Hi

What happen

[ripe berry]

and I'd assume this gets carried over into the AS

[safe charm]

I think back in hn1 they sorta went into the more misunderstood approach but I think that changed

[ripe berry]

but the Cult is still likely behind the deaths

[safe charm]

With the books and later games and now AS

[ripe berry]

'ello

[versed yacht]

Yeah

[safe charm]

Like I doubt gaap was planned back then no?

Or was it

[ripe berry]

By HN2 Aaron is all he has left
he can't even show himself in public anymore (Or else he'd get arrested)

[versed yacht]

I don't think so

[safe charm]

Basically

And he threatened him

[ripe berry]

there's ties to Theme Parks
but nothing pointing to a incident in a Theme Park

[safe charm]

Hg and books

Oh

You mean

No

I meant hn1

[ripe berry]

(pun not intended because the biggest Theme Park tie in the HN1/HNHS Era was Blood Ties (Dlub Yaits) Nightmare Sequence)

[safe charm]

To harm his family

Idk

[versed yacht]

In alpha 3 I believe the supermarket was called the golden apple supermarket

Along with the golden apple branding in fear supermarket, I think it's safe to say the golden apple was meant to tie more into Nicky at one point than Ted

[ripe berry]

yeah

[unkempt sleet]

good that they changed that tbh

[versed yacht]

true

[ripe berry]

he even has a Golden Apple on his Pant Leg in Act 1

[unkempt sleet]

Golden Apple Amusement Park is much better than the Golden Apple Supermarket...

[safe charm]

Do you think Aaron cut himself

Here or something

Or was it mr Peterson who accidentally hurt him

Trying to lock him up

[versed yacht]

Idk

[silver vine]

I was about to say something, but then I forgot

[safe charm]

No

He’s definitely

Mj

[silver vine]

Guys

The antagonists of HN fall into 4 categories

[safe charm]

Missing journalist

[ripe berry]

and don't forget the Fear Supermarket has 3 Normal Eggs then 1 Broken Egg with a Golden Apple inside it
just like how the Act 3 Birthday Room has 3 normal Mannequins and one Scared Mannequin

[ripe berry]

and Book 3 implies the Birthday Scene is meant to be connected to Nicky

[shut hill]

broken pure evil influenced...

[ripe berry]

the Fear Rooms?

[silver vine]

Actually 4

[shut hill]

what do you think

take a guess

uh

[ripe berry]

Supermarket is a memory from when his Grandma left him to wander a Supermarket at like 3 years old according to the Books

unclear what exactly Fear Darkness is meant to be

yep

Fear Darkness is what the files call the Closet Level

School and Supermarket have names you'd expect

Fear School and Fear Supermarket

Despite being on Xbox I watched a few videos from Alpha 3 of people hacking into the files and loading up early versions of Fear School and Fear Darkness
and everyone calls Supermarket Fear Supermarket including the people on PC so I just assume that's the official name for the Level

[silver vine]

The Neighbor: Mr.Peterson, face of the series, obv, broken man, cursed by the cult to have bad luck
forever, yearns for vengeance, lost everything, but will do evil stuff to get what he wants.

The Cult: Greedy, selfish PPL who want nothing more than money, power, fame and will curse and will not hesitate to kill whoever comes close to them.

Fear/Trauma: The thing, the main antagonist of HN1 and even SN, represents the fear of PPL and how PPL actually fight their fears and that fear is a very real thing which affects PPL.

The Guest: the over the top evil entity whose ultimate goals are kinda unknown. The overarching antagonist of the entire series, he's very cunning and manipulative. He manipulates PPL and uses them as pawns for his twisted game.

Sorry for the text wall

[ripe berry]

like how the Thing is only named in the Files

or how in the Betas there's files regarding a Fear_Factory and Fear_Hospital Level

Hospital had the least work on it and only has 2 assets in it's map (based off a old video I can't find anymore)

Factory
it was basically complete

there was a Fear_Hospital level in the Modkit at one point iirc

[shut hill]

there was gonna be one

[ripe berry]

I remember some video where they showed it for a bit

and the one in the Nightmare Sequence

[shut hill]

sso cvool

[ripe berry]

I can't find the video and no it wasn't in-game because the Fear_Hospital Level only had 2 Assets in it
they had it loaded in the Modkit and were flying around for a bit or smth

[shut hill]

duhh

[ripe berry]

and then they moved on to smth else

[shut hill]

we are just saying there was one planned

[ripe berry]

Fear_Factory meanwhile is basically complete in the Beta 3 Files

[shut hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g668GOihzvo

[ripe berry]

I think you could even access it in Beta 1

[ripe berry]

(don't ask where Beta 2 is)

there's a Beta 1
but Beta 2 is basically lost media
not like it matters
it was basically just a bug fix iirc

[ripe berry]

like we know it exists and have footage of it
but pretty much no one ever actually owned the build

[ripe berry]

there's probably a ton of early HN1 Builds out there
Hell I'm actually ABLE TO PLAY a Early HN1 Build on my Xbox

[shut hill]

no

[ripe berry]

(tldr if you own HN1 Physically on Xbox you can uninstall, turn off the console's internet, then load in the Disc and now you can play a Early build (known as Version 1.0.0.3))

[shut hill]

to the alphas

uhh

no

[ripe berry]

you Nintendo Switch Players have a Early HN2 iirc

https://youtu.be/vR8Eq9v3Oc0

[ripe berry]

(video actually covers 3 Early Builds)

1 Build has basically no differences with FG
other two builds have some noticable differences from FG

Full Game

it was a ARG only existent on PC

You can see the final result if you look up Error World

who?

Steam

not in Alpha 1 and in Alpha 3/4 there are some objects but it's clearly unfinished

[wooden hollow]

Well you do need an account

[ripe berry]

then create a Steam Account

simple as that

[wooden hollow]

Are you logged in?

[ripe berry]

(I know who just seeing if you got the right person or not)

yep

it's really quite simple

[shut hill]

never heard of that guy before 😅

what is maskedkid saw that.. 😢

he would be pretty sad..

i hate maskedkid

uhh

Ivan is gonna die tho..

[glad hornet]

Hello neighbor is not canon

[ripe berry]

hello Sh1mp what'd ya find

[shell gull]

So there’s a Line in the Books where Gordon says “If you work any slower you’ll Travel back in Time”

I just realised this was a Foreshadow to how in Old HN2 Quentin gets stuck in a Time Loop revealing he’s Darby, which wouldn’t you know, Gordon is talking to, what a Foreshadow I never noticed.

So basically in Old Lore HN2, the whole Plot was that Quentin joined a Program called the “Author Program” to make a Name for himself, the Program set him in RB as a Investigative Journalist, we don’t know a lot of what happens but along the way Quentin gets stuck in a Time Loop sending him back in Time, where he would call himself Darby and try to change the Past so the future wouldn’t happen, which is why Darby helps Teds Parents, it’s also why Darby knows about the Future because he’s from the Future, Via him saying to Aaron, “Trust Narf” Narf is Nicky’s Nickname, Nicky hasn’t even moved to RB and neither does Aaron know Nicky yet.

It’s also why Darbys description matches Quentin.

[shell gull]

Anyways still can’t believe I never noticed this before.

[shell gull]

Also what is Darbys Nickname, “Puzzlemaster”, whats Quentin really good at? Puzzles.

You know how there’s Two Lores right? Since there’s the Original Lore but now they made a Reboot Lore which we call New Lore, while the Original Lore which is no longer being worked on as much is Old Lore.

Old Lore HN2, was the Original HN2 before they changed the Lore Pre-Launch to fit New Lore.

Well HN2 currently belongs to New Lore, HN1, HNHE, HNVR, HND all seem to belong to Old Lore.

SN is a mix it’s hard to explain.

HNHS can work with any Lore currently but technically it’s Old Lore, since AS is simply just making its Reboot Interpretations.

[shell gull]

I wonder how many other Foreshadows there are that haven’t been noticed.

[storm talon]

so... beatrix from hello guest... does anyone know who that is?

[silver vine]

How do we even know that Quentin got time looped to the 60s and he changed his name to Norman Darby

Norman Darby was also said to be the same height as Aaron, so, travelling back in time shrinked Quentin?

[unkempt sleet]

Mouseflash said that was because of age iirc

[silver vine]

Shes Quentin's sister

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin got aged so he got shorter

idk

[silver vine]

I mean, yeah it could be

Wait, so, if Darby is Quentin, then where is Darby when Quentin arrives

[ripe berry]

Beta Intro
Remember these people theorize the Beta is canon to the Old Lore

[strange lance]

I personally think that mith was Darby, watching Quentin throughout the game making sure he stays on the right path so he can loop in the end. They seem to be reusing that plot in hn2 full game as well with Mith being MJ, who is most likely Quentin since there are still time loop shenanigans going on on they have similarities.

it just makes the most sense to me that way

even if its really silly that two of the same guy are wandering around

but it is what it is lol

[shell gull]

By the 90s he would’ve been old, like most old people, Quentin shrunk down in height.

[unkempt sleet]

tbh with the timeloop stuff, it being 90's doesnt really mean he'd be old

[shell gull]

That doesn’t make sense though, why would he want to keep himself in the Loop sure it could be to hope that he can try to get another chance to fix the Past.

[shell gull]

Quentin is in his Late 20s to 30s (Presumably based on his Character) he gets sent back to the 60s, by the 90s, he’s in his 50s to 60s, Height Shrinkage happens at your 40s.

Everything else about Darby matches Quentin.

[strange lance]

Cause if he doesn't Darby can't help Aaron and Mya and they get caught by the cult, if they're caught by the cult then Nicky can't become friends with Aaron and Mya and therefore none of hn can happen

It all relies on Quentin/Darby

[shell gull]

Not even the 60s, Teds Parents we’re around 50s as well right?

[strange lance]

Thats honestly a lot of pressure for Quentin

[shell gull]

True.

I think we all agree that Quentin in both Old Lore and New Lore his Main Plot is he made the fatal mistake of coming to RB.

[strange lance]

Bro should've done research on the town before arriving

[shell gull]

I love how in New Lore Quentin is basically facing, Majority of the Town Vs Himself.

[shell gull]

Yeah…

[stiff spire]

Why did Quentin not know? Is he stupid?

[ripe berry]

under Normantin this is also true in Old Lore

[tawny badge]

Hes a crow in a town full of ravens

(If u read the books you'd know what im referencing)

[tawny badge]

When aaron, mya, trinity, enzo and maritza are asking mrs. Ryland about the forest protectors

A friend who norman Darby trusted

[stiff spire]

I'm guessing it's someone from ||puzzle master?||

I've never read that book yet

[tawny badge]

Yuuppp

[stiff spire]

ah

I see

oh wait no

it was from ||grave mistakes?||

idk

oh wait

I have that book

the only book I don't have is reset day

[tawny badge]

Ah okay

[stiff spire]

only book I hadn't read

oh yeah GN1 as well I did read GN2 though

[tawny badge]

Same

[stiff spire]

the audio logs are pretty cool

I like how reset day is the only audiobook with a different narrator

ig it's because it's in tillman's perspective

the man narrating nailed gordon's voice

anyway back to lore

idk what to say from here lol

[tawny badge]

Absolutely

And mr Peterson

[stiff spire]

I never heard the neighbor's voice

I would guess it would sound similar

[storm talon]

so... Mr. Peterson's brother is the Thing?

why is that supposed to make sense?

[ripe berry]

na

more likely he's the Guest

[storm talon]

na, aarons the guest

[tawny badge]

Well either way it 'was' still his brother

[tawny badge]

Nah

[ripe berry]

HNVR shows both at the same time

(Aaron and Guest)

[tawny badge]

The guest can seemingly manipulate people

Mentally and sometimes physically

[storm talon]

maybe the guest is more of a phycological being (that might as well be the Thing) but aaron accepts the being as himself and gives it a form.

through all the loss, and being trapped inside the basement we saw how it affected nicky. But Aaron was there way longer. Maybe Mr. Peterson's brother is the Thing, that came to aaron in the form of the Guest, and aaron took it upon himself to become the guest.

but... then again the guest(or the Thing) being Mr. Peterson's brother would make since, due to ||the reaction we get in HNVR||

[wicked heath]

So what? Aaron just got scared by himself and gave himself a red key

[wicked heath]

I cant believe debates related to The Thing still exists

[wicked heath]

What reaction

The Neighbor’s brother did not even exist at the time of HNVR. It uses old lore

[storm talon]

The neighbors reaction when he first saw the guest was to run, he was afraid, and we later saw him crying on the floor surrounded by missing posters of his children.

[storm talon]

Wdym? Im saying that Mr. P's brother appeared to him.

Whether it be in aaron's mind to make him think that the guest gave him the key, or if something actually visits him.

it seems like aaron goes insane, like nicky

whether the guest is a product of that very insanity or not

[tawny badge]

(This is unrelated to anything) If i keep hearing "the old lore"used to dismiss things that don't fit with a theory you have im just gonna die lmao

[storm talon]

what is "Old lore?

stuff that have to do with the thing?

[stiff spire]

old lore was basically the books

but they retconned some if not most of it

they wanted to go their own way with the lore now

although some important key parts stayed (the cult, Lucy Yi, pretty sure there's more)

some unused stuff that never got brought back was Nicky's grandma

originally she told Nicky to stay out of trouble and to not get lost but now in current lore she's never referenced and now Nicky faces his own problems

[stuck seal]

Nicky grandma died due to cancer..

this is ajoke.

[silver vine]

Why does he make sure that Quentin loops back in the end? Does he not want to break th loop

[silver vine]

He defo knew about the town before he came

Heck, that's the reason why he came

[silver vine]

Yeah, do NOT buy GN1, worst mistake of my life

[silver vine]

The thing is a psychological being. It represents ones fear and trauma. It's not anyone person.

The guest has several times appeared as a physical entity

HN2 also says that the guest is ancient

So, yeah, it couldn't be Aaron

[strange lance]

I said it a bit after that message, but it would be because without Darby existing as a person, Aaron and Mya get caught by the cult, and if that had happened NONE of the timeline after puzzle master would happen. Nicky doesn't become friends with Aaron and Mya he doesn't discover Teds secrets the police never investigate ted diane wouldn't have died and legit everything else, including hn2 where Quentin looped

So like everything relies on Quentin

[silver vine]

Why would he want them to happen

Would he not want to free himself

[strange lance]

sometimes you need to sacrifice yourself for others

he either

lets Aaron and Mya die to the cult most likely, or let them live a little longer to do other things in the timeline

Also without Darby Quentin kinda like, can't loop, which makes Darby cease to exist

and with no darby no timeline yada yada

[silver vine]

So, what happens to Darby after Quentin gets looped back again

[strange lance]

probably dies of old age, he was already old in puzzle master

[tawny badge]

Lol im pretty sure she just died cus she's old af

[stiff spire]

I think iirc in the books she tested nicky if he could overcome his fear of being alone, by literally leaving him in the fields

because he usually wandered around and let the curiosity get the best of him

[tawny badge]

and lets not forget that she left him at the supermarket at the age of 3

[muted moon]

"You'll always be alone if you wander Little Wolf.
Unless . . .
. . . unless . . .
. . . unless . . . you leave a trail."

[stiff spire]

oh yeah

[muted moon]

it was her teaching him a lesson

[stiff spire]

she sounded really harsh and creepy but she did have a good point

towards Nicky

[muted moon]

nicky thought she knew him better than anyone else

prior to aaron

[stiff spire]

yeah

but she sadly died though iirc

[muted moon]

yeah

im pretty sure the whole reason nicky was so upset about aaron is because it was like losing her all over again

something like that

[stiff spire]

that's pretty sad ngl

but it's also pretty sad too on how they retconned his grandma most likely

[muted moon]

fear rooms now dont make sense in new lore

[stiff spire]

true

as much as I'm excited to see where they'll bring the new lore next there was something about the old lore that made very unique

[muted moon]

fear supermarket - no
fear school - no
fear darkness - i dont even know what it was in old lore lol

[stiff spire]

fear darkness was the pantry right

[muted moon]

yeah

it really doesnt make sense

in old hn1 (father son story) it was probably to do with nicky being locked in the basement (that was actually just a small supply closet)

[stiff spire]

yeah

iirc wasn't the fear rooms made by Nikita's actual fears of stuff

he had as a kid

[muted moon]

factories, schools, hospitals, supermarkets, and darkness were nikitas fears i guess

[stiff spire]

maybe I mean I think it was pretty cool how he implemented them in the game

[silver vine]

Well, we still don't know Nicky's backstory in AS

So, his grandma leaving him at the grocery store could still be a thing

[solid dew]

the fears were never elaborated on too much but it's easy to assume where they came from in the old canon
animated series nicky basically has zero backstory so far same with almost every other character besides trinity and ted

[silver vine]

Ivan has some backstory with Ted

[safe charm]

I wonder if he meet him before or after hide and seek

[ripe berry]

and then-
no one believed Nicky
and it was to a point where if a kid's seen with Nicky Principal Abanante PERSONALLY visits them to warn about Nicky
unless there's another explanation for Ep. 2
so Fear School could be tied to that in New Lore

[silver vine]

I wonder how Abanante is gonna address the Nicky and Trinity situation

[mighty sage]

he was silly

[gleaming dagger]

i wonder if she's even alive

[shell gull]

Yeah pretty much.

[shell gull]

Yup.

[hazy slate]

plus constantly moving

and having one of his first true friends in likely a long time

[shell gull]

It’s pretty simple, Old Lore is anything that correlates with the Books, Games except FG HN2 and SN after it’s Halloween Update, it’s the Original Lore, New Lore was started by AS as a Reboot to the Story, the only Games connected to it currently are SN after the Halloween Update and FG HN2.

[muted moon]

full game

[obsidian abyss]

Can someone tell me why the ghost exists? in hello neighbor 1?

[ripe berry]

what ghost?
The Shadow Man?

[obsidian abyss]

yes

[silver vine]

the ghost is the represenation of the player's fear and trauma

[ripe berry]

The Thing (Shadow Man) is Fear/Trauma personified pretty much

[worn ibex]

Could anyone tell me what happened on the field trip where the raven brooks school kids went to the golden apple factory in the books?

[rain sluice]

Good question, idk. They maybe saw some forest protectors that scared them.

[stiff spire]

and died

||/j||

they probably got scared but they probably made it alive

[muted moon]

They went out in the woods, and saw mayak. They entered, and when they approached the control room they were attacked by either a forest protector or the guest

They survived

[willow sluice]

||/j||

[shell gull]

They were attacked by Cultists, The Guest didn’t exist during that time.

[ripe berry]

he's assuming the Field Trip Incident is what HGP shows us I think

also Manifestation just feels a little weird because-
how come the Guest exists Physically but the Thing doesn't?

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-are-u-sre-abt-that-discord-gif-19727169

[sonic scroll]

is everything after the first kidnapping in hn1 just trauma

and if hn1 was only a nightmare why does hn2 exist

(I’ve never played or watched hn2)

[wicked heath]

HN2 takes place before the events of Act3

everything that happened before that act is real

[sonic scroll]

I don’t think act 2 is real

all the walls after he wakes up isn’t possible

[wicked heath]

The surroundings are fake, but the events did happen

And Mr. Peterson did reinforce his house in the animated series

[sonic scroll]

so he was just hallucinating

huh then that would mean it was a dream if he hallucinated

[dreamy pebble]

Mr Peterson is secretly William Afton

Sorry for spoiling the whole true lore

[stiff spire]

leaked

[wicked heath]

hallucinations and dreams arent the same thing

[muted moon]

no

nicky misremembered

acts 1 and 2 are both distorted memories

book 3 explains the actual events of act 1

hnvr explains the actual events of act 2

[indigo scaffold]

please explain, i only know the part of "peterson family died, neighbor locked son in basement for safety, nicky invades, and then some years later has some nightmare with a giant neighbor"

[muted moon]

Yeah I'm not recapping the entirety of the lore sorry

[silver vine]

Nah, act 1 is real

It wasn't distorted memory

[muted moon]

it was somewhat distorted

(its not night, its not during a storm, and the events at the start and end are slightly different)

[silver vine]

Nah nah, Nikita confirmed act 1 is real tho

[muted moon]

before the books

the books changed it a bit

[trail haven]

I, worked a lot of time making this theory so I hope you all gonna like this. Alot of time that I wanted to know who the guest is, so I started to investigate, a while ago tinybuild released the wtrb s2 teaser - Petersons Stick Together, we saw Theodore Masters Peterson's (the neighbor) brother, aka Franklin Masters Peterson, and then I thought that he might be the guest, then he died in the lightning, but I think he didn't, I think that he survived it, why? Because in hn1 pre-alpha and wtrb episode 5 when the rescue squad gets in the house we see the kiss of judah image, where we can see someone who have almost the same body as the guest, it might be his brother. In hello neighbor 2 alpha 1 we see the guest imprisoning theo in the attic, maybe he is afraid of smth to happen to Theo, so he tries to protect Theo like Theo did with Aaron to protect him.

If you read all of this, I really appreciate it, what are your theories on who is the guest?

[shell gull]

Alphas aren’t canon, HN2 Alpha 1 is symbolic of something that happens in GN2 and RD, The painting is a reference to the Alphas.

But cool theory.

[shell gull]

It’s just small retcon, nothing crazy.

[silver vine]

If I say the same for AS, you'll go crazy

[silver vine]

Yes, Alex confirmed the the person in the kids of Judas painting is indeed Franklin. But, the HN2 alphas are not canon, so we can't take that into account.

[trail haven]

We saw the kiss of judah painting in wtrb and maybe we will see it again in s2, so I think that the kiss of judah is cannon, maybe the alphas of hn2 aren't cannon, but we might see something familiar in s2 of wtrb, if not it still doesn't make my theory wrong, because we know that the guest is a kidnapper, and Franklin protected Theodore, maybe we will see a scene of the guest getting the neighbor out of jail, but you still got a point, thank you for your feedback

[silver vine]

My theory is that Franklins death paved way for the guest to come into the world

[trail haven]

Also, I forgot to mention that Franklin and the guest have familiar body, they are both skinny, taller and also might be smarter that Theodore, as we saw that Franklin graduated, and we don't know if Theodore did, and the guest is a lot smarter, he isn't just running at you when you're in his property, the guest sneaks at you and hiding from you

Maybe the shadow man isn't a fear, maybe it's the ghost of Franklin hunting the neighbor for some reason we don't know, even tho the idea of the shadow man is scrapped, maybe it's not, maybe he's just wearing a costume

[unkempt sleet]

yea no

shadow man is in AS too

and he's still the fear of Nicky

[trail haven]

I know, just a theory I made like 2-3 years ago

[silver vine]

Bro, Theodore graduated and he became a genius engineer

He built the golden Apple amusement park

The books describe him as being Einstein level genius and he can even turn a cheese grater into a telescope

[muted moon]

thats the books

not the AS

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/492367881770631168/837382050179842138/eeek.gif

[silver vine]

So, you're saying Theo is a mindless brute in AS and not a genius in anyway?

[muted moon]

he is still

just not as much

[silver vine]

And, proof of that ?

[muted moon]

read book 3

[silver vine]

Yes

I own every single HN book in existence

[muted moon]

yes you are the hello lore master i know

[unkempt sleet]

theodore is theodore

[silver vine]

He gets it

[muted moon]

hes more calculating

AS neighbor wouldnt set up nicky like book neighbor did

[silver vine]

He clearly did set up Nicky in the AS

what're you talking about

[safe charm]

Isnt it implied be also

Did it in AS for the same

[silver vine]

He intentionally left the door open

[safe charm]

Reason as the Books?

To give Aaron a friend

[silver vine]

I don't know

[muted moon]

wasnt aaron literally locked in a room with the guest

[silver vine]

But I think he did what he did in AS cuz he wanted to teach the kids a lesson

It's so clear he intentionally set up Nicky

And kidnapped him

He literally modified his second window bruh

Just so the kids can spot the basement key

[safe charm]

Also act 1 intro i no Longer Think was the first time Aaron got locked up because the basement already

Has stuff in it

Indicating someone been living there

Also why would he put up missing posters before locking up Aaron

[silver vine]

Yeah

But HNHS says that it's right before HN1

Maybe a day or two could be passed?

[safe charm]

I actually dont think act 1 intro is Even a real Thing anymore just nicky memory

[muted moon]

he got locked up after the end of book 1

[safe charm]

Of ep4

Unless it happened right before ep4 maybe

[safe charm]

I hate how stuff like the Books and AS got all the story but hn1 had so little

Of details

[muted moon]

im pretty sure in the hn1 intro aaron wasnt even kidnapped

it was just the neighbor setting up nicky

[safe charm]

Yeah

They retconned it to be that

Most likely

[unkempt sleet]

Theodore fighting with no one

and cat screams

[safe charm]

And act 1 intro is no Longer needed

Tbh

In the lore

Thats why Books and perhaps AS

Retconned it

[safe charm]

Does hn1 ever confirm

[silver vine]

No it is real thing

[safe charm]

Whats in the basement in your opinion

[safe charm]

Ehh maybe

[silver vine]

HN1 actually has all the story if you just look into it

Treesicle perfectly solved the HN1 lore ages before HNHS announcement

[muted moon]

wasnt the entire point of hnhs because people were stupid and couldnt figure out the lore (it was laid in front of them)

[unkempt sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leBsSGhxJ1s&list=PLDT8whg4egmvOR_n1EWGE2tRaFQRCJhLR&index=6

[safe charm]

Act 4 symbolism i dont fully understand with Theodore

And stuff

[silver vine]

I think it's this video iirc

[safe charm]

I understand nicky trauma

And all that

[silver vine]

They perfectly say the son kills the daughter

[silver vine]

The symbolism is that Theo never let go of his fear of losing Aaron

[silver vine]

Yes

PPL had completely absurd theories back in the day

[muted moon]

isnt act 4 symbolism just father like son symbolism but edited to new story

[silver vine]

This guy is one of the only PPL to get it right

[muted moon]

dantdms stroke theory

[safe charm]

So is hn1 Neighbor appearence canonized now?

[silver vine]

Dantdms HN2 young neighbor theory

[silver vine]

Obv

[unkempt sleet]

what are you talking about guestyyy??

[muted moon]

the neighbor kidnapped the player to replace the boy he kidnapped to replace his daughter

[safe charm]

Like him being

[unkempt sleet]

what the hell does "hn1 Neighbor appearence canonized" mean

[safe charm]

Slimer

Then hn2

[unkempt sleet]

of course?

[silver vine]

Wait guys

[safe charm]

Well hnvr has him buff

Before he goes to jail

[silver vine]

Nikita said a couple years back that there a reason why the neighbor looks pale and buff in HN2

[trail haven]

I don't know because I didn't read the books

[safe charm]

Yeah

What about it

[silver vine]

What is the reason

[safe charm]

Jail and lack of sunlight

Or something idk

[silver vine]

Is it 🚓

[safe charm]

Sad how hn2 doesn’t explain any of that to newer fans lol

For those that don’t watch AS

[silver vine]

Maybe patch 10 will

[safe charm]

I hope

[potent harness]

TREESICLE MENTIONED!!!

[silver vine]

It's clear they didn't want to reveal that neighbor went to jail before AS

It was supposed to be a surprise

So, I can understand why HN2 doesn't address it as of now

And it's also not important to the HN2 story

[muted moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816497358091190282/822524519901823006/Nog_simming_1.mp4?ex=667f9de7&is=667e4c67&hm=590990750cbf7c3b13499a009fb47d9f44d6bbf3950bde2ed003c06c0c915b2f&

yeah

a suprise

[silver vine]

He escapes bruh

We see him escape in the extended teaser

[safe charm]

We see

Him escape

After this

[unkempt sleet]

why is leslie standing like that

[muted moon]

after the awful leslie anim

[unkempt sleet]

lmao

[muted moon]

i know

i was just making a joke about the awful cutscene

[safe charm]

Bro how rushed was hn2 for the love of

God

[ripe berry]

Leslie's just standing there

[crude dew]

that's the canonical moment, when he froze and was removed by the game's own AI
smh

[trail haven]

The neighbor kidnapped Nicky not because he wanted to replace him with Aaron, because theo knew that Nicky knew to much, so he locked him so he won't tell anyone while he's searching Aaron

[muted moon]

i know that?

i was talking about dantdms stroke theory

[trail haven]

Ok

[shell gull]

Yeah, because AS is a Reboot not a Retcon.

[shell gull]

It’s Alpha 2 what do you expect from it? It was horrid.

[safe charm]

I mean everything was pretty rushed

Not just alpha 2

[shell gull]

For a game that was forced to restart like 2 times, then yeah I think it’s understandable on how the game felt clumpy on Launch.

The game feels great now, since they are actually taking their time and have a good Lead Dev.

[safe charm]

Not anymore

He left

Last year

[shell gull]

Who?

The one they replaced Alexus with?

[safe charm]

The new lead but i cant talk to much about it here

[shell gull]

That’s fine, they’ve most likely found a New One, and if they didn’t they already have most of everything they know to do down by now.

[tame mason]

’cause treesicle invented the Peterson’s backstory!

[tame mason]

That and because he thought Aaron needed a friend in the basement. To that, Aaron beats himself up over Mya’s death.

Throughout Nicky’s trilogy, Aaron repeatedly warns Nicky to not return to the Peterson house. Theodore was always planning to kidnap Nicky.

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[trail haven]

I don't think that this is the reason because we saw in wtrb that Nicky and Aaron aren't together in the basement, and when the rescue squad were there we also saw Nicky like he didn't see anyone in weeks

[rain sluice]

however, according to the books, this is really why he kidnapped Nicky. For Aaron to have a friend.

[trail haven]

Again, I didn't read the books so maybe there are somethings that I don't know

[shell gull]

You have to be shitting me…

I’m not even going to go through this.

[shell gull]

He’s talking about in the Books, AS has a different Story.

In the Books Ted was always secretly Manipulating Nicky into breaking into the House to be Kidnapped.

Anyways GAC have really been on my mind, we already know they inflict Bad Luck for the most part but that still has me thinking on its other uses since we see them just laying around in HN2, there’s also the fact The Guest is using them to his advantage.

[trail haven]

Who is the kid that is making you out of the room in act 2? (I know it's a sign, but if it was a kid who it was?)

I don't think it's Aaron, because in wtrb we saw that Nicky is making Aaron free, not Aaron making nicky out

[wicked heath]

It's Aaron. HNVR even confirms this

[wicked heath]

That's because the Animated Series is a separate canon from the first game

[indigo scaffold]

not that, i mean the "acts 1 and 2 are distorted memories" part

[tame mason]

But you hear Nicky mumbling “I’ll be your friend. Your best friend” in episode 6

[tame mason]

Turns out, HN1, the ENTIRE GAME, not just Act 3, was a dream. (Although, I’m sure Act 1 actually happened. I mean, Nicky cannonically box-stacked to Aaron’s bedroom to get the red key.)

[muted moon]

didnt he use the elevator

he box stacked to get to the elevator

[tame mason]

Well, he still box stacked and that’s ridiculous.