lore-discussion

[unkempt sleet]

So true

[wooden hollow]

he's probably on discord

oh sorry

it means i dont eat meat

[unkempt sleet]

it means she's a vegetarian

[safe charm]

Imagine that is some magic to make Mr Peterson be able to leave jail

[wooden hollow]

wait i dont get it, who is sarcasm

[stiff spire]

maybe

[unkempt sleet]

Its him

[pliant estuary]

so correct me if I'm wrong but to my understanding right now the
books
games
and animated series
all exist in separate continuities

[wooden hollow]

ohhh

[safe charm]

AS and games are one timeline

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[safe charm]

Okay

https://tenor.com/view/neighbor-aritfroz-smile-annoyed-change-mood-gif-16947710

This is Canon

[pliant estuary]

ok good

[unkempt sleet]

she's being vegetarian

[wooden hollow]

yes,. what is a sracasm?

im not trying to be mean to you

[unkempt sleet]

Stop being so mean to each other smh

you're not event men?

where's the event men then

[wooden hollow]

im an event woman

[unkempt sleet]

we need events

[unkempt sleet]

where's the event men?

[wooden hollow]

left em at home, oops

is that toy lightyear

[unkempt sleet]

What am i saying

About event men cos he made a typo

[wooden hollow]

About event men cos I made a typo

I am reminded of tinyBuild Hello Neighbor 2017

[unkempt sleet]

I love lore, i lived there my whole life

[unkempt sleet]

I say this often, I wonder if anyone gets the reference

[wooden hollow]

have fun my dearest!

[unkempt sleet]

Do you get the reference green

[wooden hollow]

no sorry but im guessing its like dhmis or something

[unkempt sleet]

You do get the reference then

its the line in the wakey wakey pilot when the key asks the gang if they love their town and the duck is like "I love my town, I lived here my whole life"

[wooden hollow]

dont hurt my indefinite smile

[stiff spire]

I remember the gumball special

[shell gull]

In the Books Forest Protectors are a Urban Legend based on people seeing Weird Humanoid Birds in The Forest of RB, in reality it was actually Cultist, The Cult call themselves “The Ravens” in the Books.

[muted moon]

and the others are called the crows

wait

they crow we know

is that the cult reffering to the town?

[tawny badge]

"We're just crows in a town full of ravens"

[unkempt sleet]

It's a quote

[unkempt sleet]

It's a quote

from a Hello Neighbor media

[safe charm]

My honest

Response

[muted moon]

reset day?

or aaron trilogy?

[unkempt sleet]

Nah it was Aaron Trilogy

yea

[glacial whale]

There’s a secret meaning but first you must go to the hello neighbor wiki and scroll down four pages

[shell gull]

“They crow, We know” is The Cult basically saying we know everything while the Town knows little to nothing.

[unkempt sleet]

Oh that's actually really cool

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

finally
a explanation for the tape THEYCROW

[unkempt sleet]

and its a really cool explanation

[ripe berry]

I completely forgot that the cult calls themselves Ravens and the Town Crows

[silver vine]

Indeed

[shell gull]

Oh shit, no one realised that? I thought it was pretty obvious, huh, guess that’s in the check book.

[ripe berry]

(I mean I knew the cult was referred to as Ravens but I forgot they called the Townsfolk Crows)

[unkempt sleet]

I remember that but i didnt made the connection with TheyCrow

[ripe berry]

again
things could just be in plain sight but no one notices it

(Like GN2 using real science for Ted's Weather Machine)

[ripe berry]

what's even left to solve that we can solve with our current information?

[shell gull]

“They Crow” means Three things to me:

1. It’s The Cult pointing out how most of The Town are the peasants of the hierarchy.

2. “They Crow” as in the Town spitting gibberish, basically just The Town speaks nonsense, while The Cult is of the know.

3. Both 1 and 2, which makes sense together.

[shell gull]

Yeah lol

[ripe berry]

I guess in terms or remaining mysteries there's (if they exist in-universe) the sender of the Youtuber Package

whatever the heck the Golden Crows mean (and why Ted has 2)

[shell gull]

I’m pretty sure that would be M.J. Technically, it has all of his stuff, and he’s clearly trying to get it out to someone most likely knowing he’s gone too far and can’t go back (The Cult knows what he’s doing).

[ripe berry]

and some other things I'm probably not thinking of

[ripe berry]

but they refer to MJ in third person

[shell gull]

That is true.

[ripe berry]

despite the fact It'd be possible to spell "I got too close to them"

[shell gull]

Or, the Package isn’t a Package and it’s just M.J. Old Stuff that they put away after his Replacement, though I’d imagine The Cult would’ve tried to take it.

[unkempt sleet]

mmm i love HN2 lore

[ripe berry]

there's like 8 I that exist before the letters he'd need to reserve to spell "got"

[shell gull]

Would’ve been nice if they let you buy them or something.

[ripe berry]

then why is the Newspaper about his disappearance even included?

[shell gull]

Instead of giving away Lore filled stuff to a bunch of YouTubers who could care less.

[ripe berry]

a ripped piece of a Newspaper no-less

[shell gull]

Pretty sure.

[unkempt sleet]

True

[shell gull]

Ever since the “They Crow Tape” I still stand to have them make a VHS/Analog Series of M.J.

[ripe berry]

if they're trying to hide anything MJ why is there only one newspaper piece
and again there's markings on it proving someone else has tampered with this after MJ went missing

[shell gull]

That’s true yeah, doesn’t make sense that M.J. Messed with his own Missing Newspaper, if he would’ve been dead, which he most likely was, I think the better candidate is Quentin but that wouldn’t make sense with his Story Plot Line so I’d imagine it’s some other Person who tried to label it and send it to someone in hopes it would spread, Or it was M.J. And he was alive getting this all written down.

[safe charm]

They really made guest feel more human to me in some aspects

Then creature

[ripe berry]

I may have a idea about who the "other person" could be, it's a bit out there but it's the only conclusion for the "other person" idea that makes any form of sense
the other person is a New Lore version of Norman Darby

even in Old Lore the Missing Journalist AND Norman Darby both existed, Norman's KNOWN for sending crpytic messages to the Raven Brooks Banner

[shell gull]

Hm, I mean, yeah maybe.

[ripe berry]

AND he'd reasonably have access to the Raven Brooks Banner Archive due to at one point being a journalist for the Banner

[shell gull]

True, but in a technical sense we would be talking about Quentin still, but like you said a New Lore Version of Norman.

[ripe berry]

a New Lore Version doesn't HAVE to be Quentin
they could be two different people in New Lore

[shell gull]

Pretty sure that might not be The Guest since all The Cultist in AS have Guest Beaks.

[ripe berry]

(explaining how someone could write the password on the back)

[shell gull]

Mhm, true.

[safe charm]

They Said it was

[ripe berry]

pal

[safe charm]

In the chat

[ripe berry]

tinybuild said "guest" by itself in the live chat

I even have a image of it saved I think

[shell gull]

Ah, never mind.

Ey ey, I’ve been in a Coma for the past month 🙌

[ripe berry]

Youtube Light Mode moment

[shell gull]

(Jk, but it felt like it)

[ripe berry]

but it's the only image of the Premiere where the word Guest by itself in the chat can be seen as far as I'm aware

[shell gull]

There’s always that one person who’s had hundreds of screenshots they took.

[unkempt sleet]

Also i dont think the cultist would be able to control the crows

[shell gull]

True I forgot about that.

My bad 🙌

[ripe berry]

AND unlike MJ using Old Lore as a base he isn't dead nor is there a chance for him to
so he'd reasonably be able to have a Newspaper about MJ's Disappearance

[shell gull]

BUT still doesn’t all The Cultist wear Guest Beaks?

[ripe berry]

look at your own pfp

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

that'll tell you the answer

[shell gull]

I meant in AS

[ripe berry]

Cultists haven't been seen in AS yet

[unkempt sleet]

We dont know how they look like in AS

The one we thought was a cultist was Guest

[shell gull]

Cuz there was that one image with The Guest having human hands.

[ripe berry]

but since Jay and Luanne Roth are Book-accurate I'd assume the Cultists are Game Accurate

[ripe berry]

literally a image from the new teaser

[ripe berry]

like I ain't even joking

[shell gull]

I swear if Alex wasn’t lying about that one Message…

[ripe berry]

this was the image of a "AS Cultist"

[shell gull]

So they fixed it

[ripe berry]

it's literally a frame from the new teaser

[shell gull]

Thank god.

[unkempt sleet]

fixed what?

[ripe berry]

lemme see if I can get this exact frame

[shell gull]

There was a similar picture of The Guest but no gloves, it had human hands.

I could search around for it.

[unkempt sleet]

No gloves??

I dont remember a picture like that

[ripe berry]

not exact but close enough

same exact area

same exact pose

same hands

same crows flying around

added shading

[unkempt sleet]

and fog

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

still you can tell they're the same image

[unkempt sleet]

He changes clothes mid season lol

[unkempt sleet]

I cant wait to see this one in motion

[shell gull]

Dude probably needed to change.

[ripe berry]

also-
Doesn't Trinity literally say the Crowman in the new clip is the Guest

[unkempt sleet]

"Weirdo from my room!"

[ripe berry]

which was the Guest

[unkempt sleet]

Yes

Made this a gif

the scene is cool

[ripe berry]

also confirms our suspicion that the Guest can control Crows in some way

[shell gull]

Like o said before this explains HN2 Crows.

Just The Guest watching over Quentin knowing where he’s heading.

[ripe berry]

and also telling him where to go

[shell gull]

Mhm

Just him deliberately betraying The Cult which he’s using them to try and gain Quentin on his side.

[silver vine]

How did I miss this convo

[ripe berry]

funny how HNVR helped us land on the Crow Conclusion WELL before they outright showed us

[ripe berry]

what convo

[astral agate]

wait what?

[ripe berry]

also in a way kinda acts as a form of payment for helping the Guest

[silver vine]

Wait what

[ripe berry]

"you helped me, so I'll let you live a little longer"

[ripe berry]

he was confused

[shell gull]

Forgot where it is, though I asked someone and they said it was edited.

So mystery solved there.

[silver vine]

"Nicky and Maritza will have kids" "Enzo and Trinity have kids"

[shell gull]

Technically yeah.

[ripe berry]

the cring

[shell gull]

I’d like to imagine after the run in with The Guest right before Quentin’s Crash The Guest saw potential in him.

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-walter-white-breaking-bad-falling-gif-25642150

[ripe berry]

plus he saw Aaron getting "kidnapped" by Ted

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[astral agate]

ah

[ripe berry]

How does he know?
Everyone knows at this point that Aaron seems to not have full control of himself in the HN2 Intro and that some other being is also in control

[shell gull]

I’d love to see an image of The Guest eating Popcorn watching Quentin in the distance do his shenanigans.

[ripe berry]

he goes from confused at the situation to angry and biting Ted's Finger back to confused and now frightened before following Ted obidiently

[shell gull]

I mean heavily implied Guest Curse effected Aaron.

[silver vine]

What is guest curse

[shell gull]

Or I can see it being a Old Lore dilemma of The Guest attacking people Mentally.

[shell gull]

The Cult Curse that brought The Guest.

[ripe berry]

and Aaron biting Ted's Finger literally is a contradiction to him seeming to care about his father and not wanting him hurt as the HN2 Ending explains

[silver vine]

What cult curse

[shell gull]

We know since they basically summoned him in The Church.

[shell gull]

It’s the chants in The Church on the Old Tapes.

[silver vine]

Who summoned who in church

[ripe berry]

Purple Tape is very similar with Chanting going on ending with Guest Noises

[shell gull]

Old Tapes basically confirm Guest being summoned at The Church, explains that why it’s his “Hunting Ground”

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[silver vine]

Guest was a summoned demon? I thought we already went over with this

[shell gull]

He’s not a demon, though he’s implied but not in New Lore, but he was summoned its pretty obvious now.

[silver vine]

He was summoned right before HN2?

[shell gull]

We don’t know exactly we don’t have Dates just the Old Tapes, though taking that in it would’ve been before M.J. Went missing or even earlier.

[unkempt sleet]

"But he was summoned its pretty obvious now."

?

[silver vine]

Its seems it's very obvious he was summoned

(I have no clue)

[ripe berry]

how is it obvious?

[unkempt sleet]

The only thing that'd point to him being summoned is this

and he was already there before the ritual, you can hear him

he just gets aggressive towards the end

[ripe berry]

double Check Purple Tape

I swear is has smth similar

[unkempt sleet]

Okay hold on

It sounds like a secret entrance with just Guest at the end

[ripe berry]

no you can clearly hear chanting

or at the very least a humanoid sound

[unkempt sleet]

Oh yea you can

[ripe berry]

notably no Guest Sounds until the very end
even after the humanoid chant-like sound begins

[unkempt sleet]

Someone found the secret entrance and stumbled onto a ritual

[shell gull]

You want the recording? There are Two Versions of the Audio one was called “ritualHN2_O1.mp3” and the other name was just “callforHN2_01.mp3”

[unkempt sleet]

what

[shell gull]

Only had the first one saved.

[ripe berry]

whar

[unkempt sleet]

That file names i dont think i saw before

[ripe berry]

why callforHN2?

[shell gull]

Legit have no idea, I’ve just seen it pop up when someone sent me the DM for the download.

[unkempt sleet]

I mean it could be a fanmade sound,

[ripe berry]

Purple Tape is a Corrected Old Tapes

[shell gull]

True.

But I was just saying

There were two versions I don’t know which is legit

But I have one to them if you want the so sound clip?

[ripe berry]

it has the same premise of someone stumbling on a Ritual involving the Guest

[unkempt sleet]

Well tbh it feels like they're just trying a ritual on Guest instead of summoning him

[unkempt sleet]

sure

[ripe berry]

notably unlike the old tapes the Guest noises don't play throughout the Ritual

it's only at the very end now

[silver vine]

Don't you get it? Chanting means it's very obvious he was summoned

[unkempt sleet]

I know but the main character comes into the room during the ritual

You dont hear what was happening before the ritual

[shell gull]

I can’t send it but here’s the Audio Name:

[unkempt sleet]

You already said the file name, thats not really helpful smh

[shell gull]

Ey it’s the exact same Audio we all know.

[ripe berry]

they would have no reason to change the noises to remove the Guest Chanting throughout the Ritual UNLESS there were trying to course correct a error made in the original tapes

[silver vine]

Guest summoning ritual

[unkempt sleet]

I would say youre correct if that was the same recording just with adjustments to the errors

but the new one has a whole different storyline with someone finding a secret entrance

[ripe berry]

it's not actually all that different

[unkempt sleet]

dont mind this hold on

[ripe berry]

listening to the start the person does stumble on the ritual after opening smth in the original tape

[shell gull]

I was going to point out how Call For also means to Summon someone, but I don’t know how legit the File Names are.

[unkempt sleet]

hold on thats the same one

[ripe berry]

Purple Tape just extends the beginning and shortens the ritual's length

[unkempt sleet]

Okay this is the other one

now let me check which one is the one that plays ingame

[ripe berry]

also check the sped up/reversed ones to make sure they didn't just use the wrong audio for one

[shell gull]

Anyways back to what I was trying to say before, it’s pretty obvious he’s summoned, you hear them chant as slowly over time The Guest starts to get louder almost like he’s appearing, we know he’s a Curse in a way and so either way he would’ve been summoned if the Curse was used.

[unkempt sleet]

but ughhh the tape colors are not fixed, i'll have to try every one of them

[shell gull]

We know Lore wise he appears randomly.

So it makes sense in New Lore he was Summoned instead of being Born.

[ripe berry]

because if sped up has the chanting but normal doesn't

[unkempt sleet]

I'll try reversed and sped up versions ingame and see if they're the one with the Guest's sounds or not

[ripe berry]

you mean the chanting?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

you should be able to tell just by how long it lasts

[unkempt sleet]

There's just the normal and the reversed version of the extended one in the files, not a sped up version

[shell gull]

Also pointing out how The Cult wanted Power and so what better than to summon their God.

[unkempt sleet]

lets see which ones play ingame

[ripe berry]

so both sounds could play ingame theoretically

[unkempt sleet]

I know the non-extended one plays as the normal tape but idk about the reversed one

aand the tape color bug is not fixed, i hate this bug

[wooden hollow]

it's not a bug, they just like blue

[unkempt sleet]

I dont like when they're all blue

at least the bp names are there

[shell gull]

Peak.

[unkempt sleet]

i can check with UET which one is the purple

[silver vine]

But the question is when was he summoned

Since we know he's ancient

[unkempt sleet]

I think i broke the tape, it played once and now its not playing

come on

[silver vine]

And also has some sort of connection when Franklin fell into the pit

I'm pretty sure Frank didn't turn into the thing

[unkempt sleet]

okay hold on

normal reversed file

"-2" reversed file

[shell gull]

Exactly, he’s obviously appeared before and if he’s disappeared means he would’ve been killed or trapped in some way only to need to be summoned again, we don’t know exact times but anywho we’re before M.J. Death works.

[ripe berry]

what the heck

[unkempt sleet]

"-2" plays in the game

and its not the reversed version of the normal one

[ripe berry]

why is the reversed one completely different from the forward one

[shell gull]

Summon Theory isn’t 100% Confirmed but it’s made to seem obviously that, though if the Human Thing Alex said is true then yeah that got blown up, but taking that in either way Franklin is connected.

[unkempt sleet]

this is the purple tape ingame

[silver vine]

I feel like he was summoned way before Trinity's arrival. Since the crow which killed the realtor was most likely the guest

[ripe berry]

why have a extended version if you aren't even going to play it ingame?

[unkempt sleet]

I have no idea

Buuuut that makes it unused in the game...

[shell gull]

True, that could be the Latest Date.

[unkempt sleet]

Which means you cant use it %100 as canon

[shell gull]

Ey half of the Aaron Track doesn’t even play In-Game.

[ripe berry]

yeah

at this point I might as well just take every version of the tapes as canon

[silver vine]

I just take the current tapes as canon

[wooden hollow]

I don't really care about HN2 canon until patch 10

[unkempt sleet]

I think i'll figure out which tape files are the ones play ingame and separate them because this whole "two versions of the same tape" is confusing me when thinking about the tapes

[ripe berry]

there's no reason to have lore only be in one version of a tape

[silver vine]

Franklin's death defo has some connection to the guest bruh

[shell gull]

True, but we have to realise even if they removed or alter things the past things still had purpose in some way and the Old Tapes seem to only had purpose for Guest Lore, which still could connect.

[unkempt sleet]

Well it could always be them trying to fix their mistakes with choosing the correct ones to play in the game :)

[ripe berry]

dang it using my own wording against me- fine, only one version of the tapes are canon

[unkempt sleet]

i win

[ripe berry]

but also I find it weird how the Reversed Tapes sometimes are completely different from the forward tapes
like in reality that'd make no sense

[unkempt sleet]

i think its them trying to make easter eggs

[silver vine]

Why are there tape covers

And one missing button

[unkempt sleet]

that i have no idea

[ripe berry]

no clue

maybe at one point they wanted us to be able to make our own tapes but scrapped it?

[unkempt sleet]

How would that even work though??

[ripe berry]

why do you think it would be scrapped?

[unkempt sleet]

I have no idea

[ripe berry]

because they couldn't figure out how to get it to work

[shell gull]

Nah, the Old Tapes were there and they had meaning.

[silver vine]

Then why remove them

[shell gull]

Change them with something they think would be more interesting and much more simple, instead of just Chants and Guest Noises, that are mostly empty.

[silver vine]

Hi

[wooden hollow]

it's not real, there's no such thing as "old lore" and "new lore"

[unkempt sleet]

so true

MouseFlash jumpscare

[strange lance]

the lore is always the same, there are just different continuities

indeed

[strange lance]

which basically just means different universes/timelines

but the stories are all very similar

just with differences

So to answer your question, the new/current continuity is the one being told with Hn2 full game and the animated series, while the original continuity is essentially every game and the books (except hn2 full game and the AS)

what really matters is which one you like more

well yes

both continuities share the same lore and story to a degree

theres still cults and time loops and all that in both

yes there has been some retconning

canonically is was first introduced in hello engineer

in that game you can see stuff that later appears in reset day actually

I don't blame you

its a meh game

but it has great world building so thats cool

expanding the world of a piece of media. Showing how things work in that world

in this case raven brooks and the park

For the new continuity I highly doubt it. While they are using book plot points for the story they are telling, they're avoiding using the exact same plots so things don't get all mixed up more than they already are

so while there might be a plot in the AS where there are time loops, its def not gonna be straight up reset days story

sadly no, we're probably never gonna get a conclusion to reset day

which sucks

basically yeah

The 1st lore is still getting content which is nice. Not actively but over time it's gotten more. We were gonna get more with hello neighbor diaries but that got discontinued before it got past its first season

which is a huge shame

[ripe berry]

Seasons in HND are like the Acts for the Game

[strange lance]

yeah

[ripe berry]

I mean Hello Neighbor 2 was at one point going to call it Chapters but- Hello Neighbor 2 clearly isn't a book

[strange lance]

book 1-3 recap

its Nicky trying to remember what happened to Aaron as he blocked him out of his memories

and the game most likely would've ended with hnvr's ending/act 2 which is the last time he saw Aaron

not a very happy ending for the game

Aaron gets snatched away by the guest into the void never to be seen again

right infront of Nicky

There was a unused guest key in diaries, most likely for the final memory door

ye

https://youtu.be/3CLOKvMjJ1U?si=pD-iWttueISH2EoS

This isn't the real basement btw, which is why there is a void in the first place

[silver vine]

Wait wha

[ripe berry]

you can see Guest World Skybox through the window

[silver vine]

How did Nicky go to guest world?

[ripe berry]

that's what he means

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

that's what Steel Wool decided on clearly due to the Skyboxes

also

you should've realized it wasn't the real world

they have two completely different rooms in the EXACT SAME SPOT

in the SAME GAME

[silver vine]

I mean yeah

I thought the previous one was guest world and this one is real world

[ripe berry]

they assume that because of a unused audio file meant to play of Aaron screaming NO! implying it to actually occur

[silver vine]

Since this has Nicky in it

[ripe berry]

nope!

the Kids also were transported to Guest World though so you shouldn't take it as a surprise Nicky's in Guest World

just like how randomly the back entrance to the Basement is unchained in the ending when it's chained up for the ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME

[ripe berry]

the difference is you could (probably) see the Real World Skybox from the Boiler room (idk I don't own HNVR)

you can see Guest World Skybox in the ending area

part of the deal
Aaron Helps Guest get to Ted
Guest helps Aaron free his friends

not sure

[ripe berry]

and having it be the Guest is easier then having Ted somehow get to the copy of his Basement the Guest made in Guest World and then pulling Aaron out of the Guest World back into Reality with the game for some reason having us get pulled out of bounds into the void

however I'm not sure if we can take this as canon due to being unused (I guess it kinda depends on what makes more sense)

[shell gull]

HNVR is Old Lore so we don’t have confirmation on things and we can’t get any, but from what we know and the most likely answer is simple, The Guest is the Manifestation of Teds Emotions, from his Insanity, Anger, Sadness and Happiness, his Emotions got so bad it created The Guest, similar to how Nicky’s Trauma got so bad it created The Thing, only difference is The Thing is something that is Mental and is only in Nicky’s Head while The Guest is a Physical Being, similarly The Nest is Teds Minds as a Physical Place, just like Thing World/Act 4 is Nicky’s Emotions as a Place, but since The Guest is a Physical Being so The Nest is a Physical Place you can end up in, Nicky’s is all Mental, I could go more In Depth but that’s basically it.

There’s a lot of Evidence backing this all up.

This is basically The Guest Lore in Old Lore.

[ripe berry]

(The Nest is how some refer to Guest World due to GN2)

[ripe berry]

as much as I go from liking to hating back to liking and then back to hating EOM
more evidence exists assuming both Blood Ties and Guest World are represntative of Ted's Emotional state at the time because well-
Blood Ties has a scene after the Dining Scene that has the same weird gravity-defying appearance as Guest World

[safe charm]

Blood ties?

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[shell gull]

That is true.

[ripe berry]

the ride Nightmare from HN1

[safe charm]

Oh

[ripe berry]

Dlub Yaits - Blud Taiys - Blood Ties

[safe charm]

Didnt Nikita say guest was Raven Brooks

[shell gull]

My main belief on The Nest is still on E.O.M. You even see throughout Old Lore The Nest changing in Appearance based on Teds current Thinking.

[safe charm]

Folklore

He did in 2020

[ripe berry]

(I'm currently on hating Entity of Manifestation yet SOMEHOW I still find more things people can use as evidence)

[shell gull]

During HNVR Ted is Gloomy and Depressed, The Nest appears as a Dark Blue Void, GN2 He’s Angry and wants Revenge, The Nest appears Dark Red, and very Cynical.

[safe charm]

Also does patch 9 give any hints About the guest

At all

[shell gull]

It’s too powerful!

[safe charm]

Besides his cape outfit

[ripe berry]

(This one even gets TWO points of Evidence due to being in Blood Ties, a reimagining of Ted's Life likely made by THE THING, the only CONFIRMED Manifestation of Emotions in the series)

[shell gull]

Not really, there is the Replacement Theory.

[ripe berry]

I'd say Guest World as seen in HNVR is a weird mix of character's memories with Ted's Emotional state and Ted's House

[shell gull]

I mean, it seems like a running Theme that the Main Villain of the Stories all seem to be Manifestations (yes that’s right I said it Ted is a Side Villain).

[ripe berry]

since the room Bagger's held in in Guest World resembles the room where he has to sneak by Ted in during his segment of HNVR (the Intro)

[shell gull]

In HNVR it just seems like Teds Memories, there all related to Ted, there’s even a Fake Aaron and Fake Version of him running around.

[ripe berry]

not saying it's not tied to Ted
there's just a weird moment where despite the fact Ted probably wouldn't be aware of Bagger sneaking past him, the room Bagger's Trapped in resembles the room Bagger sneaks past him in in the intro

[safe charm]

I wonder if the crow statue could be a representation of guest real form?

[shell gull]

That’s true.

[ripe berry]

complete with a Mannequin Ted sitting in a chair

[shell gull]

Which one? The GAM?

[safe charm]

The one

[shell gull]

(Golden Apple Mascot)

[safe charm]

In the museum

Im talking hn2 lore

[ripe berry]

so Bagger's Memory is SLIGHTLY influencing the room he's in

but it's still ultimately tied to Ted

[shell gull]

Oh, I mean that would be pretty cool, but it just seems like where The Cult stored the Coins.

[ripe berry]

since both Bagger AND Ted were in that room

[shell gull]

Remember, The Guest is also a control of The Nest, he’s probably Patronising Bagger.

While yes Ted is the Ultimate Controller of the Place, The Guest still effects the place due to him quite literally and metaphorically being Ted.

[ripe berry]

also you know how the Guest phases through the ceiling in the Ending despite the fact there shouldn't be anything above there? I have a little idea to explain that

[safe charm]

How can he be an urban legend in old lore though?

If he just spawned

[shell gull]

Let me hear it, I was always thinking it was just a GN2 Moment.

[shell gull]

Because he appeared and then people started noticing him around and he became an Urban Legend.

Just another Crow Monster Folklore.

[ripe berry]

yeah, but you can't see where Ted was above the Basement so there's another reason why he's coming in from up there
this is probably bad and flawed in some way but oh well, time to explain the little idea I had

[shell gull]

They probably thought he was a FP but for some reason this one was Unique compared to the others.

[shell gull]

Let me hear it.

[ripe berry]

looking in-game, the Cellar Door/Back entrance to the Basement that the credits shows Nicky escaping through is chained off
assuming that where you end up in Guest World is dependant on where you were before entering Guest World, it'd make sense that, to let Nicky escape, the Guest would remove the chains blocking the Cellar Door before handing Aaron the key to free Nicky

again shitty idea but it makes the game non-contradictory to itself

[shell gull]

Oh, that kinda works, and makes sense with the whole Deal they had.

[ripe berry]

because something tells me Ted wouldn't just remove those chains

and if the Rescue Squad could...

they'd do it in-game wouldn't they

[shell gull]

True.

[ripe berry]

especially considering one of them literally spends most of their section of the game back there iirc

(Scout)

[shell gull]

It works, but there’s definitely holes I could imagine in it.

[ripe berry]

yeah, hence me saying it's bad

it has holes
but at the very least the Guest removing those chains is the only way the game's lore/story/plot/whatever term fits best here can work without actively contradicting itself

Aaron and Nicky couldn't remove the chains for obvious reasons

and I already explained RS and Ted couldn't/wouldn't do it

[shell gull]

I mean yeah it works.

[ripe berry]

also unrelated but I hate how 90% of my contributions to HN Lore theories have ended up being Guest is a Manifestation Evidence

[shell gull]

Lol

It’s too strong.

[ripe berry]

even when trying to fight against it
Somehow I find things that work as evidence

[shell gull]

Accidentally proving it is just funny.

It’s like being a Flat Earther.

[ripe berry]

same brainwaves

wait

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[shell gull]

?

[ripe berry]

isn't that the same group that said they had members all around the globe?

all AROUND

the GLOBE

[shell gull]

Lol.

[ripe berry]

there they just ain't even thinking

[shell gull]

It’s also the same group that spent 5k trying to prove the Earth is Flat and instead proved it was Round.

[ripe berry]

yeah

Here I'm thinking and ending up back at the same conclusion

(despite how much I currently don't like the conclusion)

[shell gull]

I like to imagine there’s some guy in HN Universe talking about Guest Lore and Cult Lore and everyone sees him as the local weirdo while he’s The Cults #1 Target.

[shell gull]

It’s the final result, you can’t beat E.O.M.

“If you can’t beat them, Join them”

[ripe berry]

even when trying to think of alternate explanations for evidence
I somehow around the SAME TIME find new evidence

and again
technically I added two there with the Blood Ties connection

meaning TWO pieces of evidence could get removed or given a alternate explanation and there'd be basically no difference in the amount of evidence

[shell gull]

Yeah no, E.O.M. Fixes every Old Lore Plot Hole, it fits perfectly and explains what Nikita was looking to have the Story be, also explains the “IRL Tie ins” Example: WW2 Veterans PTSD leading to them seeing Hallucinations another Example: Sleep Paralysis, I mean come on look how similar this is:

HN Manifestations is taking Real Life Hallucinations and Entities People see and making them actual Real Effecting Things in the Universe.

[ripe berry]

wait- what plot holes did Guest being a manifestation fill

[shell gull]

Guest Identity, Why he’s evil, Why he wanted Ted, some others that were unresolved before.

[ripe berry]

but also wait-
how did Nicky escape Guest World in HNVR's Ending

because he obviously has to

and then...

he ends up in the basement...

despite the fact that there's no space for him to emerge from in the real world?

the HN1 Basement has likely been sealed off at this point

and something tells me Nicky would still be locked up in the real world

[shell gull]

Well, the only time you end up trapped in The Nest is only if The Guest forcefully keeps you there or if you go too deep, and I don’t think the Basement had no entrance ways, Nicky obviously found his way out and based on what it seems he just went through another Gateway, which was the Vent in HN1.

[ripe berry]

oh shoot yeah forgot Vents in Guest World can take people to completely different places then where they were in the real world

or else the RS wouldn't be able to escape either

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

hell I'd guess the RS using VENTS to escape was meant to be a DIRECT callback to HN1

[hazy slate]

Never stop fighting...

[winter mason]

Wait wdym chains (there’s too much to read up)

[ripe berry]

the cellar door (back entrance to the Basement) is chained up in HNVR

except in the ending

[winter mason]

Ah alr

[ripe berry]

one final attempt to disprove Manifestation...
if it fails...
we've lost...

[frigid cradle]

Summary of the hello neighbor lore please

[shell gull]

🫡

[strange lance]

I'm on it...

[strange lance]

I forgot how much hn stuff there is this taking forever to write

[silver vine]

I'll do it

[strange lance]

Nah I'm already at reset day

I wrote a huge doc

I find it really weird how the books that aren't the Nicky trilogy or Aaron trilogy are always about 2 sisters or 2 girls who are related

Jen and Allie, Regina and Pris, Piper and Delia

[muted moon]

The visitor you describe has access to discord

[muted moon]

Literally quentin

Probably MJ too

[silver vine]

The basic lore we know currently:
Mr.Peterson(the neighbor) is an engineer. He lives in a town called Raven Brooks. He built the golden Apple amusement park, but a 6 year old died in an accident there and the park was closed down. The neighbor's became the towns black sheep. His wife, Diane was a teacher. He had two kids Aaron and Mya. They like to play hide and seek(Hello Neighbor:Hide and Seek). Their mom dies in a car accident. The three of them become depressed. Aaron then accidently pushes Mya off the roof when playing hide and seek. Mya dies. Peterson then locks up Aaron in the basement so that he doesn't die. Nicky witnesses His neighbor Peterson locking up Aaron. He begins investigating Peterson. (Hello Neighbor 1) Nicky then gets kidnapped by Peterson and then gets locked in the basement by him. Nicky's friends Enzo, Maritza, Trinity Ivan then try to save him.(Secret Neighbor) someone becomes the traitor who works for Peterson. At an unknown point in time, they also visit the abandoned golden Apple amusement park(Hello Engineer). The rescue squad also then breaks into Peterson's house. They and Nicky and Aaron escape and Peterson gets arrested. Quentin the journalist arrives to town. There's also this mysterious bird like being known as the guest which lurks the town. Quentin whose sister Beatrix dissapeared when they were kids in Raven Brooks. Peterson escapes jails and recaptures Aaron(Hello Neighbor 2). Quentin breaks into several ppls houses, like Peterson's house, Bakery, taxidermist's house, Mayor mansion. He finds out that Peterson is hiding in the abandoned museum and has locked Aaron in the attic. Quentin finds out in Mayor's house that there's a secret cult in the town. The golden Apple coins scattered around are tied to the cult and the guest. The cult has cursed Peterson with forever bad luck. Quentin then finally opens the attic and frees Aaron but he gets trapped instead. He opens the museum front door. He and Aaron then try to escape.

[strange lance]

bro discord says theres a bigger image count but won't let me do it I hate this app

[sage obsidian]

I believe its the max of 4

[strange lance]

or was that just for nitro

[silver vine]

Oh goodness

[strange lance]

oops I meant to send it all at once

UGH

[silver vine]

The Bosco bay stuff are completely unnecessary

This is the difference between us

I give only the essential stuff which they need to know

[strange lance]

I was gonna make a summary too but I got too into it and made a full detailed timeline instead

[silver vine]

Not the entire fricking thing

They'll get too confused

[silver vine]

Anyway, continuing on my basic timeline

[strange lance]

Ok first 4

annnd the last one

I had a fun time writing all this

[sage obsidian]

Hey, some things I actually wanted to know about. Great

[strange lance]

[silver vine]

The giant crow statue falls on Peterson. Aaron goes to help him. Quentin gets knocked out by the cult and gets taken to their lair. The guest frees him. A storm hits the town which ravages everything. Peterson house gets completely destroyed. Several years later, Nicky is still dealing with his trauma. His trauma has manifested into an entity known as the thing. Nicky gets evicted from his apartment(HN1) and moves back to Raven Brooks. He then faces his fears for one last time. He defeats the thing and lives his life happily in Raven Brooks.

@frigid cradle that's the summary

[silver vine]

What happened to HN2 bruh

[hazy slate]

You might want to specify this uses old lore + some theories

aswell as some cut content

(The island, Original HN2, Probably something I haven't spotted yet)

[strange lance]

I stated this timeline is in the original continuity in the Hn2 section. The theories you are refering to are the Guest ones I'm assuming, which I'm gonna leave in because they have a ton of evidence and are basically confirmed in Gn2, no dev is gonna straight up say what is true. The Island game was cut, but the events of that game still occured in the original continuity. Its referenced multiple times in the books, and has a scene directly showing Aaron and Ted talking about it. Of course, if it had released now things would be tweaked (like not having the guest there anymore if he ever was), but thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna leave that in too because it doesn't matter too much. and for hn2, just like HE, I stated despite never coming out, the events still happened, as they are referenced in future media canonically

Also I'm tired and don't wanna have to edit and retake all those screenshots lol

[silver vine]

Luckily I made an actual summary stating everything we know from the games and not cut content or unreleased stuff

Mouse do you realise those things will confuse the new comers?

[unkempt sleet]

can i see it

nvm i scrolled up

[strange lance]

I literally said in the thing that theres 2 continuities and that that I was talking about the original while others talk about the new one are yall blind 😭

Plus, i think new fans should know about all the media?

whether its old or not

[shell gull]

I see an issue…

There’s a bit of a lack of division here.

[silver vine]

Wdym

[silver vine]

Yes but not immediately

They should know the basic lore first, then we can give them stuff like books and cut content

[shell gull]

Old Lore + New Lore
❌

Old Lore | New Lore
👍🏻

[strange lance]

I literally laid out all of the lore that is still used in the new continuity

[shell gull]

Anyways I know you are just doing that to make it easy for the new person

[silver vine]

I never mixed the lores bruh?

Exactly

[strange lance]

it doesn't matter anyway

[silver vine]

True

[strange lance]

for all we know they could just change it all again

I love hello neighbor

[shell gull]

The giant crow statue falls on Peterson. Aaron goes to help him. Quentin gets knocked out by the cult and gets taken to their lair. The guest frees him. A storm hits the town which ravages everything. Peterson house gets completely destroyed. Mixed Up Several years later, Nicky is still dealing with his trauma. His trauma has manifested into an entity known as the thing. Nicky gets evicted from his apartment(HN1) and moves back to Raven Brooks. He then faces his fears for one last time. He defeats the thing and lives his life happily in Raven Brooks.

[silver vine]

....

[shell gull]

I marked the part where you combined Two Different Lore Canons.

[silver vine]

I just.....can't.....

I'm done bruh

[shell gull]

I was saying Ik you were making it easy, so that’s why I just pointed it out…

[silver vine]

So, you're saying HN1 Act 3 never happened in HN2 timeline?

Despite it clearly connecting to HN1 Act 3 by having the house getting destroyed?

[strange lance]

It does but its not the same as hn1. In the AS they are all at a therapist talking about what happened to them, reliving it all including Nicky, while in Hn1 Nicky did self therapy in his house alone

and act 3's meaning went from strictly Nickys fears piled up to whatever it is in the AS

its very different

[muted moon]

hn1 itself isnt completely canon to hn2 and AS, but an edited version of it IS

[strange lance]

yes thats what more people need to understand

[silver vine]

There's a 19 year time ago between acts 2 and 3 bruh. Who's to say he never went to therapist then

[shell gull]

Uh no, because one is Connected to AS, and the other is Connected to the Books, Act 3 Peterson Fire got retconned in Old Lore, MY POINT was you marked it as “HN1” which doesn’t work, instead it would’ve been better to mark it as “HN1 New Lore Interpretation” (Ik it’s long but it’s more simple and actually connects), but yes technically it would work but due to different Canon what HN2 does is an Interpretation, since it’s connected to a Reboot.

[strange lance]

they've already changed this of course they're removing the self therapy as well

like thats pretty obvious

[silver vine]

They're not removing self therapy?

[shell gull]

Crazy how they actually acknowledge it’s a Reboot Lore.

[silver vine]

Alex said in a YouTube comments that act 3 self therapy is still there

[shell gull]

Never expect them to actually address something.

[strange lance]

specifically act 3's self therapy you know what i'm talking about

[shell gull]

Show.

[silver vine]

I don't have it rn

But I've seen

[shell gull]

Just want to know if it still exist in New Lore.

[shell gull]

On what Video?

[silver vine]

Either in that Nicky screaming clip or that one teaser in community tab

I remember seeing

I'll quote what he said rn

[shell gull]

Lemme check

[silver vine]

Someone asked in the comments if Nicky will ever get over his trauma, to that Alex replied by asking them to play HN1 iirc

[strange lance]

ok that is not what you said at all above lmao. He's referencing hn1 cause thats literally what happens in hn1

[silver vine]

Yeah, act 3 self therapy is still how he gets over his fears

Nothing is contradicting act 3

[silver vine]

Isn't it the same in AS?

[strange lance]

you're forgetting how they completely changed act 3's meaning

[silver vine]

His fears piling up?

[muted moon]

act 3 is now a therapy session

it obviously isnt that in hn1

[silver vine]

That is act 1 and 2

Not act 3

Why are we assuming stuff now

[muted moon]

didnt alex literally say the "therapy session" was act 3

[silver vine]

No

He told act 1 and 2 are therapy session

Not act 3

[shell gull]

All this seems to imply is just that Nicky will get over his Trauma, don’t see how it confirms Self Therapy still:

Or maybe I’ve misinterpreted this.

[strange lance]

Hn1 act 3: NICKYS fears and tramau stacked into a huge house tied to Nicky specifically

AS act 3 house: its just there, and all the kids break into it, and judging by lots of evidence, it is now a real house, completely changing Nikitas vision once again

you cannot tell me these are the same thing

[silver vine]

Yes this is what I was referring to, where was this?

[silver vine]

Oh wait, you're talking about the house specifically?

[strange lance]

yeah lmao

[shell gull]

“Mr. Petersons Guest” Clip: https://youtu.be/f-FzxL83gqE?si=PTbX1i2mEmUHTceA

In the comments at the TB Pinned Comment.

[strange lance]

Like obviously Nicky still experiences act 3 in the AS i was talking just about the house specifically

and how they changed it

[muted moon]

in hn1, the dream of act 1 and 2 were the reason nicky needed self therapy
in new lore, nicky recovers from act 1 and 2 in therapy, and then has self therapy for ltierally no reason after hes recovered

act 3 is basically meaningless now

[silver vine]

He never recovers in AS?

What're you talking about

[muted moon]

the THERAPY session

[strange lance]

This is why I don't wanna make AS timelines 💀

I'll stick to the og stuff

[muted moon]

why would he stop having therapy

[shell gull]

Ey man, they have to work with something they can’t bend (HN1) for their Reboot.

[silver vine]

Just because he went to a therapy session doesn't mean he's recovered

[muted moon]

why would he stop going to therapy

[shell gull]

That’s true, he probably finds that it isn’t working for him and he needs to face his Trauma himself instead of getting help.

[silver vine]

All I did was make a timeline using ONLY the games and now I'm being bullied for saying HN1 and HN2 are connected 😭

[muted moon]

isnt act 3 unintentional though?

he has a bad feeling, goes to sleep

[strange lance]

hello my precious

[shell gull]

True, but they probably changed that.

[strange lance]

why did ted think kids would like this thing

[silver vine]

He has a strange mind

[muted moon]

sounds so cute!!!!

[strange lance]

are these old guest sounds or for patch 10 or whatever

[muted moon]

old beta town guest catch

[strange lance]

I like the HG reference in the 2nd one

man :(

[muted moon]

the second was used at the start of the beta trailer i think?

[shell gull]

Ted: “Why…do you look like that?”

The Guest: “Don’t judge me this is the first damn thing I saw when I popped into existence”

[muted moon]

yeah it is

[strange lance]

imagine a universe where the statue kept its neon bright blue color and eyes

that would be so ugly

[shell gull]

Lol

[muted moon]

imagine a universe where the guest didnt lose his bag in patch 9

[shell gull]

I love his Design in HN2, and I get why they removed the Bag but without the Cape and with the Bag just feels more iconic.

Hopefully we see non cloaked Guest design they made.

[silver vine]

Imagine a universe where guest was still Peterson

[muted moon]

luckily based on the fact his grabbing objects out of his bag animation is currently used for him bringing out items, he will probably have his bag back soon

also he still has bag physics

[shell gull]

Thank god.

Also I still stand today to have the Beta Guest Themes be used, I love them so much and they fit so well, maybe for a Boss Fight: https://youtu.be/oqYP8HjR72Y?si=GC1D4n8kb_L_9XPf

https://youtu.be/SlvLBJkIIzI?si=Di4lFH7Sr15ueebO

Like imagine hearing these in The Forest

[muted moon]

heres the wav files

[shell gull]

I’d also love to hear them use these in AS for his full reveal.

Would go hard.

[shell gull]

Thanks.

[muted moon]

based on the names it sounds like there was more barn guest themes that were unused

[muted moon]

theres no 1-1 or 1-2

[shell gull]

Hm.

[muted moon]

only 2-1 and 2-2

also, it sounds like an older guest attack was used for nielsen?

unless this was originally the farmer attack or something

[shell gull]

Before Act 2 I want them to expand Act 1 with more levels with Characters like the Farmer.

[silver vine]

I just want leslie

[muted moon]

patrolling outside

i wonder if he would still work

[silver vine]

No, in police station

[shell gull]

Agreed he seems like such a Chill Character, IMO if they add him I’d like him to be a Patrol Around Town looking for Ted.

[muted moon]

its more likely for him to be outside

since that was his original ai

[silver vine]

Hmm

[shell gull]

Gtg

[silver vine]

It's weird that there's a police station but no police in HN1 and there's police but no police station in HN2

[stiff spire]

yup

[manic dirge]

Bro sounds like Otto

[wanton jacinth]

Whats " hn ue3 " and how it looks like?

<@&959618149668503582> ?

[glad hornet]

?

[cerulean onyx]

Huh

[prime imp]

?

[wanton jacinth]

?

[prime imp]

what do you mean by that

[wanton jacinth]

There is hello neighbor ue4

But i heard abt eu3

But i never found it

So i joined discord

[prime imp]

because that doesnt exist

[wanton jacinth]

Oh

[cerulean onyx]

Hello Neighbor was made on Unreal Engine 4
There is no version of it that was made on Unreal Engine 3

[prime imp]

yea

[wanton jacinth]

Oh alr

And abt lore

Whats the neighbour kids called

[unkempt sleet]

Aaron and Mya

[wooden hollow]

Nicky and Maya

[wanton jacinth]

Four kids?

[unkempt sleet]

No

[wooden hollow]

yes

[unkempt sleet]

Aaron and Mya, just two

[unkempt sleet]

Ravioli stop spreading Misinformation to my students smh

i need to teach the correct lore

[wooden hollow]

sorry mr apple

[sudden garden]

I see why you two divorced

[wanton jacinth]

Is the main character named nicky?

[unkempt sleet]

The main character in Hello Neighbor 1 is Nicky yea

[wanton jacinth]

Is he real?

[unkempt sleet]

he is a videogame character, so no

he's not real

[wanton jacinth]

No i mean,

In game

[wooden hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1032383417255477300/1195093106039722205/image0.gif?ex=65b2bc30&is=65a04730&hm=28ae6d72fb58268f9fb48ac57fb7b9a9c6266ac731e664199d7eef4ee464365b&

[wanton jacinth]

Like how in act 3 i think he dreams abt neighbor house

[unkempt sleet]

i mean, he's real in the game yea
Why wouldnt he be real?

Ah, most of the Act 3 was a dream inside Nicky's head

The Big House he saw was not real

[wanton jacinth]

I thought rhat

And i found one house one time in graveyard and it had m1 i think on it

[tawny badge]

Ohhhh green house m13?

[wanton jacinth]

Yea yea hea

M13

[tawny badge]

Thats a reference to a guy who made ghost mod things for hn

[wanton jacinth]

Is m13 some code or ?

[unkempt sleet]

nope

[tawny badge]

Just an Easter egg to a fan

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[wanton jacinth]

And what about FindableTag?

[unkempt sleet]

i dont know what that is, sorry

[wanton jacinth]

Okay

But

Whos nikita?

Heard his or her name 100 times

Or what is nikita

Thing

[unkempt sleet]

Nikita is the creator of Hello Neighbor

Him

[wanton jacinth]

Is the game based on his childhood?

[unkempt sleet]

i think some parts are but im not really sure, so dont take that as a fact from me

[wanton jacinth]

Ill ask him

Is he alive btw?

[unkempt sleet]

He's alive, He's in this server but i'd say dont disturb him with questions

He's the @ grandeturisto

You can see it in the member list

[wanton jacinth]

Hdym "don't disturb him with questions"?

[unkempt sleet]

I mean like dont DM him or tag him. I think thats not allowed
And even if you did i dont think he would answer anyway,

[wanton jacinth]

So how do people ask him anything?

[unkempt sleet]

but if you really want to ask, he sometimes comes in #old-rbo-discussion chat so if you catch him there you can ask him there

But i cant guarantee he'd answer

[wanton jacinth]

Whats rbo-prototupe

[unkempt sleet]

it's a new game he's working on

[wanton jacinth]

Oh

Okay

Thanks

But i know there is lost version of hn

[cerulean onyx]

Why are you asking about him ?

[prime imp]

how its called

[wanton jacinth]

I want to know abt him or that

[prime imp]

why

[wanton jacinth]

Cuz I can't find him in game

[glad hornet]

what?

[wanton jacinth]

Okau

What's FindableTag

Or who's FindableTag guy

Does anyone know or no?

[prime imp]

bro there is no findable in the game

[fossil narwhal]

He's just a person on this discord

[cerulean onyx]

FindableTag is just a random user in this server

[prime imp]

yea

[wanton jacinth]

I found this game that is a remake of hello neighbor form that name 3 years ago

[unkempt sleet]

okay anyway, y'all get out of lore discussion if you aint gonna discuss lore smh

[unkempt sleet]

go to the main chat to discuss whatever you're talking about #hello-neighbor

[wooden hollow]

what if nicky isn't real and just a hallucination

[unkempt sleet]

So true

[silver vine]

hello

[ripe berry]

welcome tinyCrow the Visitor

[silver vine]

@unkempt sleet @ripe berry @safe charm are yall here? I need to talk

[unkempt sleet]

i'm here hi

[safe charm]

Hi

[silver vine]

so

[unkempt sleet]

is Micheal here

[silver vine]

basically, I made a short summary of just the games here

but then I got bullied to death for putting HN1 and HN2 on the same timeline

[safe charm]

Why

[unkempt sleet]

Bruh

[ripe berry]

bruh

[silver vine]

according to the ppl here, act 3 is NOT CANON to HN2

[unkempt sleet]

Me when i put HN games in a timeline

[unkempt sleet]

?

What

[ripe berry]

are they stupid

[silver vine]

it seems Nicky did not have self therapy in HN2 timeline

[ripe berry]

HN2 is literally SETTING UP Act 3

[safe charm]

Uhhh

[unkempt sleet]

We dont see Nicky in HN2 at all though?

what

[ripe berry]

how

[unkempt sleet]

What's the mindset of this, i dont understand

[silver vine]

Halloween and sh1mp are telling that Nicky did not have self therapy in HN2 timeline and act 3 does not happen cuz Alex told us that he goes to therapy before

[safe charm]

Whar

[silver vine]

when did our community make this assumption?

[ripe berry]

Acts 1-2 are the Therapy

[silver vine]

I told them that

[ripe berry]

I assume they just link two instances of the word therapy together

[silver vine]

halloween's point is that Nicky does not need to have self therapy cuz he already went to therapy

[ripe berry]

like uh...

what

[unkempt sleet]

When you go to therapy does it %100 work though

[ripe berry]

Therapy doesn't always fully work

[silver vine]

he overcame his fears in normal therapy, so he did not have self therapy in AS/HN2 timeline

[safe charm]

I find it sad how the basement part no longer happened in reality

I wish it did

[unkempt sleet]

Like maybe he went to therapy in the big city, but it didnt work
But his self therapy when he goes to the source of the fears (Raven Brooks) works more efficiently

[safe charm]

Was a cool section

[silver vine]

am I utterly wrong for saying HN1 and HN2 are connected?

[safe charm]

No

[unkempt sleet]

No, You're not wrong

[ripe berry]

plus HN2 directly ties into HN1 with a fire occuring at Ted's House

[silver vine]

yeah, but it seems Nicky does not have self therapy

[ripe berry]

Not THAT WE KNOW OF

[unkempt sleet]

Thats why i'm tired of the old lore, new lore stuff

When you put the "new lore" HN2 in a timeline with other games people say "erm thats new lore HN2, old lore HN2 is what happened" or some shit

[ripe berry]

they should learn about waiting

[unkempt sleet]

"old lore" HN2 is SCRAPPED
ITS GONE

[silver vine]

indeed

Im just sick and tired of this old lore new lore shit

[unkempt sleet]

Since when do we take scrapped content as more canon than the full release

[silver vine]

its looks all the same to me

and I didnt even include the AS in my summary, just the games

[safe charm]

The question is was the hn1 intro the first time Aaron got locked up people say different

Some say it was

[unkempt sleet]

Literally maybe there might be connections to that scrapped storyline, like the island with old HE, but that doesnt mean the island plot is not scrapped

[safe charm]

Some say it wasnt

I always saw it as the first time but idk

[silver vine]

it was intended to be the first time

[ripe berry]

MouseFlash does that lmao

[safe charm]

Well it is now

Again

[ripe berry]

he takes Island plot as canon because "the only reason it was scrapped is because they wanted to keep cars in the game, not anything lore related"

[safe charm]

I just wanna find out about the Goose

[unkempt sleet]

But that doesnt make it not scrapped
it is scrapped to the core

[safe charm]

What is that bird boy

[unkempt sleet]

When you play any of the games you will not see any remnants of an island where there was a replica of Raven Brooks or something

You go into the scrapped concept arts to get that storyline

Old HE, Old HN2
Theyre not canon anymore

[safe charm]

Does hn2 reference hide and seek?

[unkempt sleet]

they were at some point, but they are definitely not now

[safe charm]

Like the events

[unkempt sleet]

Theres some art from HNHS in the Peterson House

[safe charm]

That happened

[silver vine]

I mean, I have to agree with mouseflash now, after sh1mp and halloween were heavily arguing with me on how HN1 is not canon to HN2, mouse told me that this is why he doesnt talk about new HN2 and sticks to the og stuff

[safe charm]

What

Never seen it

[unkempt sleet]

Ah well
i think the dollhouse puzzle in the Peterson House maybe? idk

[safe charm]

Oh yeah

[unkempt sleet]

You know, fire aaron drawing and stuff

[silver vine]

but its just dissappointing to me, cuz I see everything as the same lore

[ripe berry]

but according to MouseFlash you go into HNVR and you find remnants of Old HN2's lore

[safe charm]

Same I still use stuff like the Books at times to fill in some gaps at the moment even if their not canon canon anymore

[unkempt sleet]

Maybe you can
Buuuut that does not make old HN2 not scrapped

[safe charm]

I wonder if the reason theres not much guest lore you can find is because of the reason alex Said it started to make no sense

At one point

[silver vine]

in the doll house puzzle, Mya is more closer to the edge of the roof with Aaron in the middle, I always see that as a reference

[silver vine]

yeah, but it seems only old HN2 is canon to HN1, new HN2 is completely not canon to HN1 in anyway it seems

[ripe berry]

that's what they's arguing at least

[safe charm]

Could guest be more connected to the cult then we Think?

Like Even more

I mean in AS his outfit screams cultist to me

No im not saying

Hes a human but i feel like hes heavily connected

Ahhh why cant guest lore just be Easy and not cryptic to the bone

[silver vine]

we will know what the guest is, at some point

[ripe berry]

got a feeling both AS and HN2 will cover it

[safe charm]

Its to the point its more annoying that we dont get any info or context about him to me

Like we got proper context about

Mr Peterson and the cult

But not the guest

[safe charm]

Apperantly we were supposed to find out on hn2 launch nikita apperantly Said so in 2020-2021 sad they scrapped

The idea of that

[silver vine]

maybe we'll get it in patch 10 perhaps

[safe charm]

I hope so

[ripe berry]

I feel like we WILL get it in Patch 10

[safe charm]

I had a Nightmare he was revealed

As Roger Peterson

[silver vine]

oh goodness

anyway, I hope to see him in AS

[unkempt sleet]

I want to see Ted talk about Guest...

[safe charm]

Plsssss

[silver vine]

the visitor.....

[ripe berry]

The visitor you describe...

[safe charm]

Season 2 sooon

[unkempt sleet]

I hope that scene has more dialogue

[safe charm]

I hope the approval goes fast

And not months

[silver vine]

it can go from months to even years

[unkempt sleet]

Because as the Engineer of the GAAP, i'd think he'd know some things about a creature that looks like the Parks Mascot

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-faint-dead-nope-bye-gif-12483755

[pale urchin]

Imma be honest, hn2 patch 10 won't happen soon as far as I know

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, Okay buddy

We're so devastated and all, you can go now

[pale urchin]

Ok, end of discussion.

[crude dew]

the lore nonstop changes because of one reason, idk how people don't see it?
like, what is canon today inside a game, might be taken out tomorrow and become outdated. by the time a game comes out with xy lore, it might already be outdated, because one thing overwrites it.

why do you think some people got tired of this whole lore thing? 😄
it's starting to be the same as fnaf, I cannot take the fnaf lore seriously anymore, it's become a joke. and I'm saying it as someone, who was deeply into it. too deeply.

[fading herald]

sup...

[shell gull]

Before New Lore, sure yes there were Retcons and miss things but those weren’t happening much, but most Issues were addressed as Mistakes or given a Lore Reason, while after New Lore it’s just flat out getting weird.

[silver vine]

Yeah, especially when you needlessly assume stuff like act 3 are retconned when there's no confirmation of of it getting retconned.

[shell gull]

Difference is its either assumption or just flat out shown and obvious, Diane and Myas Hair Color was retconned because of HNHS, but that isn’t assumption since it’s reasonably obvious, while Teds House being burned down seems obvious that it was Retconned in RD, since we go through a Time Skip we can’t assume much without it being Confirmed or enough Proof.

[silver vine]

Bruh, You literally say that Nicky's act 3 self therapy is completely retconned, when there's no proper confirmation or proof stating that

[shell gull]

When?

I know what conversation your talking about, I asked if it WAS retconned.

[silver vine]

It's clear that act 3 is not retconned in anyway

[silver vine]

Idk why you guys keep saying it is

[shell gull]

Your replying about the opposite stuff…did you not read my Reply above?

[silver vine]

I'm not talking about reset day retconning the house burning or anything

I'm talking about how you are telling that the entirety of act 3 did not happen in HN2 timeline

[safe charm]

Question Do you Think mr Peterson thinking Aaron is an omen is still a Thing

Im not sure

Because he does keep him Behind some creepy door in the basement

[silver vine]

Maybe

[shell gull]

Act 3, is connected to something else, so no that “Version” didn’t happen with HN2, while the “Act 3 New Lore Interpretation” which we still know little about since we haven’t seen all of AS, is yes connected, we need to see how they interpret Act 3 in AS.

Still don’t get how we’re arguing over Canon Consistently when we keep coming to the Same conclusion (Not targeting you, it’s just in General).

[silver vine]

That "version" is def how it happened in HN2.

There's literally nothing contradicting it in the new lore

[crude dew]

it's funny cuz in the Aaron trilogy, he literally didn't think that
the building of the park literally doesn't happen the way aaron describes later 😄
he was only upset, when Aaron was actively doing things against him, like that thing with that stupid machine with the diamond in it, idk how it was called
he was rather disappointed if anything

[silver vine]

Aaron was a 9 y/o child at that time

If he was poking around super evil cultist stuff, ofc his dad's gonna be mad

He could've gotten himself killed

Plus Ted had a plan to make everything right for his family and he nearly succeeded

But Aaron let Cleave steal the device and spoiled everything

[crude dew]

9 year old (they literally go to the same grade idk how) but he actively works against his dad and never trusts him
at age 9, I didn't know what mental health issue meant

the weird thing is, now in HN2 (as I'm writing this) Aaron looks even younger, than in HS

[silver vine]

He's 12-13 in HS

Idk why he looks and behaves younger

Maybe being locked in a basement for months or years could do that

[wooden hollow]

hide & seek

[ripe berry]

LORE NERD NATION RISE UP

[opal steeple]

why would he do that

that just makes everything more confusing

[unkempt sleet]

which images couldve been from season 3

okay hold on, what if he posted the season 3 images on tinyclub now?
Because honestly i dont remember seeing a storyboard teaser and i doubt season 3 is beyond storyboards yet

[opal steeple]

i dont think so

[unkempt sleet]

We need someone with tinyclub to confirm that

[ripe berry]

na he's speaking in the public though

and the tinyClub people act like they have almost no news either as far as I can tell

[unkempt sleet]

true i guess

But i cant see anything he sent being from Season 3? Like none of them makes sense

[pale urchin]

Hn3 leak?!

[opal steeple]

i asked noxified, he said there were only a few images from 3 months ago

[unkempt sleet]

oh poop

so either Alex is having geniune memory issues or theres a season 3 teaser among the season 2 teasers we got so far

[ripe berry]

I've seen tinyClub Teasers and
all I'll say is the teasers they have sent to tinyClub are only really a part of pre-existing teasers or are too vague to identify a season

[opal steeple]

he said imageS, plural

thats so weird

[safe charm]

Alex = Theodore(jk)

[pale urchin]

Alex knows what's he's doing

[ripe berry]

the only other thing I'll say is they were both fully colored in though, so no matter what the Storyboard Theory is thrown out the window

[unkempt sleet]

Someone should go to the comment section and ask which images he's talking about

[ripe berry]

these three images are definitely the same scene Imma say that much

or the same episode at least

congrats-
we now have to shift through EVERY teaser we have to identify which ones are Season 3

[unkempt sleet]

oh noooooo

[ripe berry]

I mean there's always

[ripe berry]

another Teaser that's from this same episode

[opal steeple]

one of the season 3 images is probably something stupid like this one

something that we cant get much context from

[ripe berry]

dead bodies

no context wolf

lift your head up dude

90% of teasers have you in like 2 poses

[unkempt sleet]

tbh with that one tinyclub teaser, that one does have a context

[ripe berry]

(sending ones that have none of the RS in them to avoid the age thing)