lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

If you wanna be a lore master..

[ripe berry]

I'm not using it as a 100% canon thing
I'm using it as a mostly canon thing

[silver vine]

SoUrCe?

[snow mauve]

Eerie guest studios

[ripe berry]

as even if it's not canon it gives lore details

[brisk mauve]

itd just be weird to have 2 churches if its supposed to be such a small town
actually even in big towns I have never seen more than one church

unless it just got abandoned and instead of fixing it they made a new one for some reason

[silver vine]

I love in a big city and there are like 50 churches

[ripe berry]

I was using the lore details where they aren't joking or making a subtle nod to the events of Patch 9 there

[snow mauve]

Hn2 gotta connect with AS at some point..

[silver vine]

Anyway guys

[ripe berry]

more reason to believe the HN1 and HN2 church are different
towns can have multiple churches

[silver vine]

Enough arguing for the day

It's 12 am for me

[ripe berry]

I also believe there are 2 hospitals in the town

[silver vine]

Gotta sleep

[ripe berry]

the HN1 and AS Hospital are completely different

[hazy slate]

Let's talk about how the neighbor is actually Quentin's dad

[ripe berry]

cya tinyCrow!

[silver vine]

HN1 sogpital, AS hospital

[snow mauve]

Arguing???

[silver vine]

Good night guys

[snow mauve]

I'm le confusion

[snow mauve]

Bye night

[ripe berry]

and even as early as HN1

the Building shape in the Hospital Dream Scene and the HN1 Hospital don't align

[brisk mauve]

nothing in AS aligns with anything in HN1 or HN2

[ripe berry]

in terms of layouts?

[brisk mauve]

yeah

[ripe berry]

because fun fact

[snow mauve]

Oh but it does for hn2 buddy

[ripe berry]

the canon alignment of Trinity and Nicky's Houses relative to Ted's House is HN1 Accurate

[brisk mauve]

how

[snow mauve]

Master alex told us 🤓

[brisk mauve]

but nickys house is across the street in hn1

[snow mauve]

And so is HN2

Buddy ol bubbb

[brisk mauve]

yeah so how is AS canon to that

[snow mauve]

And AS

[brisk mauve]

in AS its not in the same spot

[ripe berry]

if you look closely at the fence alignments the house that's where Trinity's House should be (at least in Act 1) partly overlaps with Ted's Fence's Placement

[unkempt sleet]

Depkis can you shut up

[snow mauve]

That is where you're confused

[ripe berry]

along with Nicky's House

[snow mauve]

You see it's in a different angle

To some scenes

Nicky's house is still across theo's house

[brisk mauve]

it's still more to the left than it is in the games

or right

idk

whatever way

[snow mauve]

Mods he bullied me!

[ripe berry]

(Alex said it's layed out so both Nicky and Trinity are Ted's Neighbor, they just suck at Angles)

[brisk mauve]

thats weird

[snow mauve]

Nah

[ripe berry]

(oh shoot I accidentially used a blocked word and had to remove it- didn't mean too!)

[brisk mauve]

and in hn2 its just completely different because the houses dont look the same at all

[snow mauve]

Obviously they didn't bother adding/making one

I'm sure eventually they'll add Nicky's house

[brisk mauve]

they should also add trinity's house or something then

make it clearer

[snow mauve]

Nah

Screw trinity

[brisk mauve]

why

[snow mauve]

MID

Anyways

[ripe berry]

let me get a image with a better angle in AS showing a part of Nicky's Property IS neighboring Ted's Property

the building to the left is Ted's House and the building behind Trinity's is how AS draws Nicky's House

[snow mauve]

Bingo

[brisk mauve]

well thats still not the same but closer

[snow mauve]

Like what Mike said

They just suck at angles

[hazy slate]

we cannot forget THAT house

[unkempt sleet]

AS Nicky's house design is better than HN1's design tbh

[ripe berry]

yeah it's close enough
and HN1 does have 2 Properties neighbor Ted across the street

[ripe berry]

oh right, the anomaly

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor diaries too 🤩

[snow mauve]

Damn you

[hazy slate]

don't you love

[brisk mauve]

what is that

[ripe berry]

it doesn't exist in Episode 4 at all

[unkempt sleet]

The evil house

[snow mauve]

CURSED

[unkempt sleet]

it came for once scene and never agaon

[ripe berry]

this is the White House Anomaly as I've decided to dub it for the time being

[snow mauve]

NICK

Ie

[hazy slate]

you know what deeply annoys me? this house falls along the lines of

similar structure to Nicky's house

[brisk mauve]

why is that house so big

[hazy slate]

but it violates reality

[brisk mauve]

it looks like theodores house and nickys house combined

[crude dew]

guys, I'll be honest here. I don't think a random background artist's artworks are reliable source in this case
this house literally switches to another as you're showing :/

[hazy slate]

When I said Nicky's house I was refering to the anomaly

[crude dew]

and I have a strong deja vu when it comes to the school, in style

[brisk mauve]

the school is the schoolf rom hn2

[hazy slate]

but let's be honest here, this house here needs to be added to HN2, I like how similar it looks to Ted's house

[snow mauve]

Because that's the size of a house :00

[ripe berry]

the Qauntum House could also be a name for this building

honestly wonder if the Quantum House appears anywhere else in AS

[snow mauve]

For a second I thought you said Quentin's house

[crude dew]

no, I mean, I have a deja vu from elsewhere

[brisk mauve]

where

[snow mauve]

Damnananaa

Hate these robots..

[crude dew]

if I find out, I'll tell
a cartoon for sure

[snow mauve]

Anyways

This guy is the answer to all of hello fiction

Totally

[winter mason]

Give this man a cuppa ‼️‼️

[frigid pumice]

Where?

[silver vine]

YouTube

Community tab

[pliant estuary]

it looks like HN1 A2 house

[silver vine]

Sorta

[ripe berry]

this shit is why I don't fully trust EVERYTHING AS shows
(aka background art isn't 100% reliable)

[silver vine]

Guys

All 3 mainline HN games have graveyard and church

[ripe berry]

but each time the Graveyard is different :trol;

[rare monolith]

guys, I’m reading a book, I have a question: will there be a continuation of the books after part 6 and why after part 3 the narration is from Aron and does Niki appear in books 4, 5 and 6

[brisk mauve]

hello neighbor, hello neighbor 2, hello neighbor 3

obviously

[silver vine]

HN, HNHS, HN2

[rare monolith]

thanks for the answer

[silver vine]

But the stuff from the books are still canon

[stiff spire]

yeah

well if not some of it is (a lot of other stuff got retconned)

(Nicky's grandma, not sure if the peterson's escaping to Raven Brooks is still canon after Theodore's legal troubles on his theme parks)

[delicate rapids]

A big question I have is is HNHS Canon? Compared to the books atleast, because, and dont hesitate to correct me if im wrong, HNHS says Dianes death happened sometime in the spring, May i think if i remember correctly, while the books say it happens in october

Again i might just be blatantly wrong but do we know which source is the one to trust?

[unkempt sleet]

The books retconned some things from the games, but the books are also not canon anymore, soo it's up to you to believe which one you want

I personally take the books and the games as separate timelines

[delicate rapids]

I think thats a good way to think about it

[silver vine]

HNHS is canon

Books are not

[hazy slate]

During discussion about a different theory regarding HN2, Me and @ripe berry discovered that the weather machine in GN2 actually operates on real science, Mind explaining what we've found mike? ||(Totally not because my brain will FRY)||

[ripe berry]

in GN2, Ted says his Machine works through "Doppler Cooling" on a massive level, the thing is, Doppler Cooling is something that exists IRL

to dumb it down a bit
Doppler Cooling uses a certain frequency of light to make atoms slow down, cooling them, Ted's using it here to cool the Water Vapor in the Air to regular Water, causing the rain and flooding of Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

Ted also directly mentions it's cold outside in the cut off bit of dialogue, which makes sense if he's usually specific frequencies of light (likely through some kind of laser) to cool down Raven Brooks to the point where the Water Vapor (which most mistake for Steam IRL but they are two different things) is cooled back into rain

[ripe berry]

can I just say props to the GN2 Writers for incorporating a real scientific explanation for Ted's Machine (everything else Ted mentions here is also real science), and also this means that saying the Mayak can control weather is technically incorrect
it can cause rain, but not any other type of weather, unless Ted isn't explaining parts of how the machine works

but this means certain aspects of the HN Universe could function with real world science, albeit not exactly like real world science due to things like Luck Manipulation

goes to show there could still be discoveries in what we already have just waiting to be found

[hazy slate]

Yup, Now we learn the process of how to build a luck device so I can bring hell upon my enemi-

[silver cargo]

I somehow like to believe that AS takes place directly after reset day.
It would be a cool plot if not just the day but the whole time line reset and the events happened again, but differently.

It's a little fan theory without any proof, but I like it nonetheless.

[ripe berry]

the other stuff Ted names also exists irl btw

[stiff spire]

yeah I agree

I guess we'll have to wait and see what Alex means by this

[muted moon]

It means nothing

He said the same thing before hn2 launch

[lone cloak]

The Secret Ending of HN2. Who hit Quentin? Who did it? And why?

[muted moon]

Wdym secret ending?

There's only 1 ending

[lone cloak]

people called it the "Secret Ending" for some reason.

[muted moon]

*vgn did

Noone else

[lone cloak]

oh

[muted moon]

Also, it was cultists who knocked him out

[lone cloak]

These things?

[muted moon]

Yeah

[shell gull]

So I think it’s pretty obvious The Guest controls Crows https://youtu.be/GBOR8igURUc?si=DcjAA4srC2WXBSqm

[shell gull]

I mean this would be a weird way to make a definitive ending to Old Lore and Lore Plot to a Reboot.

[fading heart]

Honestly,I never thought about that, though they did have like cellphones in the 1900's just not iPhones if you look at Trinity phone camera it's like a old phone camera

[ripe berry]

and because of that

one of the points for the "Guest is leading Quentin" is no longer a theoretical point
we now have solid proof the Guest CAN control crows

[silver vine]

I also have a feeling that it was the guest who led Trinity as well

To free Aaron

[tribal talon]

the guest

[primal sedge]

potato

[ripe berry]

I mean I got a feeling the Guest monitored Trinity with the crows
but he doesn't really blatantly lead Trinity

the only blatant "leading" is where the Crows circle Ted's House during the beginning of Episode 1

(or well Ravens but Imma call them Crows as it's easier to type)

[ripe berry]

it could be a coincidence but
in Episode 1 a Crow follows as the Bales family car drives to their new house
in Episode 2 a Crow attacks Trinity in her room
in Episode 5 Crows are waiting on a tree and leave when Trinity walks by but then a crow flies in the opposite direction while Trinity says she's worried about Nicky
in Episode 6 a Crow's on top of Ted's House and leaves when Trinity gets to the part of the house

[astral agate]

I like to think it's a way the guest sees. Like his cameras. he knows what's going on in the entire town at all times

[shell gull]

Yeah, I think it’s cool that The Guest can communicate with the Crows, also this explains the Crows in HN2.

[ripe berry]

yeah

I find it funny HNVR was the thing that led us to piece together the Guest controlling crows to lead Quentin when the AS contradicts the existence of HNVR in the timeline

and we only now are being given direct evidence the Guest can control cros

which also means the Guest likely killed the Realtor

in some way shape or form

[strange lance]

I mean we've seen him turn into a crow himself

Makes sense

[silver vine]

This is what I've been saying since ep1 released.....

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-they-called-me-a-madman-infinity-war-madman-gif-13990981

[ripe berry]

I believed it since HNVR dropped but now we basically have confirmation that even if it wasn't the Guest himself who did the kill the Guest likely wanted the death to occur

[silver vine]

Guys

I found a weird correlation between guest and Aaron.

[unkempt sleet]

?

[silver vine]

Whenever Aaron is free, guest roams the town. Whenever Aaron is locked up, guest does not roam the town

In AS, guest didn't show up until after Aaron escaped.

And then Aaron gets recaptured in HN2

And in HN2 guest shows up only after we free Aaron from the attic

Coincidence?

[unkempt sleet]

I mean, you can go into the forest and see Guest while Aaron is stuck in the attic

[strange lance]

We also see the guest run past the banner window after Aaron is taken to the museum

[ripe berry]

yes

[silver vine]

Mhmmmm

I'm not saying Aaron is guest, he he seems to have some sort of connection with it

[ripe berry]

as Mouse said

Guest is still around in HN2 after Aaron is locked up

[silver vine]

Like, even his door was surrounded by dead crows

[ripe berry]

there is definitely a link between Aaron and the Guest
but what you said is a mere coincidence

[silver vine]

Ahhhh

Wait

We know that guest controls crows

And Aaron's room is surrounded with dead crows

[ripe berry]

mhm, go on...

[silver vine]

Does it mean the guest was trying to reach Aaron like he did in HNVR

But Theo somehow stopped him

Maybe by having tons of coins?

[ripe berry]

but then when Nicky opened the Door... a Door with multiple Crow Skeletons on it... the Guest is now able to reach Aaron

as Aaron in the HN2 Intro is a complete 180 in personality from the rest of HN2, even going as far to bite Ted's Finger

[silver vine]

He did?

[safe charm]

Yes

If you look at the intro cutscene

Closely

He gets angry

[silver vine]

Wow, I just replayed HN2 today and did not notice it

[ripe berry]

(Image from ItsIvanIce)

[hazy slate]

The guest is afraid of the rich confirmed?

[ripe berry]

DatDoggerBoi's analysis of Aaron in the HN2 Intro
#hello-neighbor message

he removed the image mentioning Aaron biting Ted's finger because it had a banned swear word in it

[safe charm]

So could guest be possessing Aaron in hn2

I dont understand

Though

[ripe berry]

most likely

[safe charm]

Guest roams the town

While Aaron is locked up

[ripe berry]

no other logical explanation for Aaron's Intro Behavior

[silver vine]

Maybe he can influence Aaron

[ripe berry]

it's like how the Guest controls Crows

[silver vine]

The voices in the head Nicky mentions

[ripe berry]

the Guest is separate but able to influence/control their behavior

[silver vine]

It could be him

[safe charm]

For some reason the spoiler free beta would fit better with Aaron guest theory

Lol

Because it was implied he wasnt in the attic

[ripe berry]

at least that's how I view it

[ripe berry]

Locks can't keep it out
It gets in your head

Guest in HNVR needing a key to get through doors:

[silver vine]

Something was going on in the basement

I just can't put my finger in it

[ripe berry]

something caused so much fear for Nicky his eye color changed and a Shadow Demon (the Thing) Manifestated from it

[silver vine]

Why tho

What was he so afraid of

I mean, he does call Peterson a monster

But, a normal man won't give that much fear that would even change your eye color

[ripe berry]

he was also unreasonably afraid of letting Aaron out of the Basement for some reason

[silver vine]

That's prob cuz Peterson threatened him not to

[ripe berry]

but then his behavior there is weird

[safe charm]

I wonder if guest actually did posses Aaron in hnvr and it wasnt just a switch Thing between characters

[ripe berry]

he goes from "Open the door open the door" to "DON'T OPEN THE DOOR DON'T OPEN THE DOOR I'M SORRY I'M SORRY"

[silver vine]

But somehow guest prob influenced Nicky to open Aaron's door

[silver vine]

Complete 180 shift in personality

Just like Aaron...

[safe charm]

Gn2 guest feels kinda like AS Ted at this point Besides how he looks

I meant

Guest

Not Ted

[ripe berry]

lookie there
both Aaron and Nicky seem to have 180s in their behavior at a moment's notice

[safe charm]

I still wonder where the guest came from

[silver vine]

Guest world

Obv

[safe charm]

Problaby

[ripe berry]

one second Nicky is trying to open the door
the next he panics, tells others to not go in the door, and apologizes for opening it

[safe charm]

Maybe the blob is his true form(unless they retconned that)

[ripe berry]

one Second Aaron is trying to bite off Ted's Finger
the next he's doing exactly what Ted wants him to do

[silver vine]

The way I see it, first, guest influenced Nicky to open the door. And then he remembered Theo's warnings and threatenings about not opening the door

[unkempt sleet]

the slimy sounds that appear before Guest coming into the room in LayoutV2:

[safe charm]

Yes

[ripe berry]

we wouldn't be able to identify if the Guest taking partial control over someone causes enough fear to change eye color as Aaron has Brown Eyes (which is the only Eye Color we've seen a eye color changed to) by default

[silver vine]

What I think happened in the basement is that Nicky should've opened Aaron's door, and then Theo came and saw and scolded Nicky and possibly beat him up and shout at him. But he prob saw something in that room. Something dark.

Nicky was begging in ep5, "I swear I didn't see anything"

[ripe berry]

also I'm pretty confident this ain't Nicky's first time trying to escape from Ted's Basement
he know exactly where the Laundry Shoot is and that it leads to the Basement despite the fact he'd have never gone down it...
unless he's already tried to escape once, found the Laundry Shoot, and ended up back in the Basement after going down it

[safe charm]

I wonder if it Will still end up with guest possessing the Neighbor isnt it implied in hnvr he wants

Ted

In some form

[silver vine]

Everyone in the Peterson family has green eyes, why does Aaron alone have brown eyes

[ripe berry]

it likely was installed after Nicky was kidnapped as otherwise Nicky would've likely done down at least once

[silver vine]

I think Nicky tried to escape, but Theo caught him and dropped him in the laundry shoot

[ripe berry]

something like that yeah

[safe charm]

Honestly if it wasnt for the fact guest is ancient to me it almost felt like it was in hnvr guest left guest world but that wont work

With the timeline

[ripe berry]

or well, Green/Blue Eyes

since I'm pretty sure Mya has Blue Eyes

[silver vine]

She has green as well

[ripe berry]

not in the teasers for AS
but all the way back in HNHS

I could be colorblind but I swear her eyes are blue

or at least more blue then Ted's Eyes

(HN1 Ted for comparison)

either way, Aaron's the only family member with Brown Eyes

(Diane's Eye Color is unknown as far as I can tell unless- oh wait HNHS Launch Trailer)

ok Diane's Eyes are blue like Myas

[ripe berry]

this makes no logical sense unless Aaron's Eye Color changed for some reason
and HN has only given a single explanation in the entire lore so far for a eye color change

[hazy slate]

they could be from the peterson grandparents

[ripe berry]

a increase of fear (seemingly caused by partial possession through a supernatural entity)

[hazy slate]

we don't have a confirmed color for them

[ripe berry]

Doubt it, both Ted and Franklin have Green Eyes

and also (hold on lemme look something up rq)

Blue + Green Eyes is one of the ONLY impossible color combos to create a Brown Eyed Kid through genetics

[hazy slate]

Not even through grandparents?

[ripe berry]

nope
I'm pretty sure this chart accounts for Grandparents

[hazy slate]

hold on

[ripe berry]

or else Blue DEFINITELY wouldn't be a possible color for Brown + Brown

[hazy slate]

we don't know if it's brown + brown, Roger could have green while Adelle has brown

[ripe berry]

no I was using that show the Chart is accounting for Grandparents

[safe charm]

Did hn2 alphas even have any lore?

[hazy slate]

why is there a < on green + green

[ripe berry]

I know it's possible Ted's Parents could have certain eye colors

[safe charm]

Did alpha 1 imply guest was the Neighbor or the oppositie

I find that ending really odd

[ripe berry]

guessing there's a inconcievably small chance two Green Eyed Parents could have a Brown Eyed Kid

[hazy slate]

Are we sure Diane's eyes are blue?

they look green here

[ripe berry]

but Diane is Blue eyed based off this shot where we got Ted, Mya, and Diane in near identical lighting

[hazy slate]

wait. why does this keep happening?

[ripe berry]

why does what keep happening?

[hazy slate]

I swear we've been having tons of arguments lately on rather or not something is green or blue

[ripe berry]

wanna know the color? directly compare Ted and Diane's Eye Color in this image

[safe charm]

I still wonder why guest have mannequins of diane and mya

Assuming it is his

[plucky fox]

I dont think guest put them there

why would he mess around at the graveyard

[safe charm]

The whole patch is about uncovering the secrets

Of guest

They said so in the trailer

[hazy slate]

They look green, Diane may have a bit of a darker shade

[hazy slate]

same here

[ripe berry]

welp I may be stupid

[hazy slate]

mya definitely has blue eyes though

so

conclusion?

[ripe berry]

so it's technically possible but extordinarily rare for Aaron to exist with natural Brown Eyes

[hazy slate]

Both Peterson kids wasted all their luck on the genetic lottery

because Mya has like a 25% chance for blue eyes

[ripe berry]

just like how Enzo wasted all his luck in Episode 5 of the AS

then again this world has Purple Eyes so I don't think IRL Genetics are being thought of here

[hazy slate]

the chances may have been boosted if one of the grandparents had brown eyes too

[ripe berry]

again the chart accounts for Grandparents I think

[hazy slate]

maybe

[ripe berry]

but again

Purple Eyes don't exist IRL
so maybe we shouldn't be using IRL Genetics on this

[hazy slate]

what does the <1% mean

why is there a <

it's on multiple charts

[ripe berry]

there's is a under 1% chance of something

[hazy slate]

Oh so Aaron is in the 0.X chances got it

[ripe berry]

yep

[hazy slate]

Trinity strikes me as the type to wear contacts

[hazy slate]

Her eye color is brown in SN sooo

do with that what you will

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

either way we do have some points here
Both Aaron and Nicky have 180s in personality
if one 180's likely caused by the Guest why not the other

and this would probably generate inhuman levels of fear to where Nicky's Eyes turn from Blue to Brown
but since Aaron already has Brown Eyes we can't be sure

[ripe berry]

tinyBuild themselves said Nicky's Eye Color change was because of Fear

oh there that makes sense

yeah

but it's not normal for eye color to change from fear

even in HN
Enzo's Eye Color doesn't change in Episode 5

or in AS Episode 6

none of the character's Eye Colors change in episode 6
except for Nicky going from Blue in Episode 4 to Brown in episode 6

despite Ted being much more violent in Episode 6

IN EPISODE 6?!

Nicky is a special case that's different from every other character
so it's not simply getting caught

rewatch episode 6

they get caught and locked in the Basement

I think you're confusing Episode 6 with HNVR

again still Nicky's a special case and having a supernatural entity be responsible for the Eye Color change makes more sense then it just being Ted

especially considering the whole 180 personality thing + Nicky's whole "locks can't keep it out, it gets in your head" thing

Guest, Shadow Man is a entity formed due to Fear

I was quoting Nicky in Episode 6

the Thing/Shadow Man's whole existence is a weird thing because again other characters have fear but we don't see a version of the Thing form for them until SN (post Episode 6 in the AS Timeline)

when they're hiding in the closet iirc

[silver vine]

Maybe this is how they found a way to tie guest to HN1

[ripe berry]

yep

no

games are (mostly, only exception seems to be HNVR) still a part of the AS timeline with some explanation to let them exist still

[silver vine]

Game is no longer canon?

What're you on bruh

All games are canon

[silver vine]

Only books are not canon

No

[ripe berry]

the Thing only appears for the RS in SN/HE (Spider Boss has Thing's Particle Effects), after they've all encountered the Guest (Episodes 6-8 seem to have the RS have Guest encounters)

Rescue Squad

since Delroy's not a part of the Inventor's Club (due to HE) Rescue Squad is the more fitting term

final bossfight in Hello Engineer

[silver vine]

No it's canon

One can even say it has more lore than HN2

I'd not recommend you to watch HE playthroughs

Since most of the lore is hidden in the backgrounds

Youtubers don't bother with them

Secrets

[ripe berry]

TLDR; Inventor's Club participates in State-wide Inventor's Contest, don't have enough parts, go to GAAP where Ted is experimenting with trying to create Time Loops/Time Travel (Book 7/Reset Day, even though de-canonized, establishes these things as part of the HN Universe), most of HE except the Act Transition Cutscenes is imagination but has hints to reality, the game ends with Ted seemingly succeeding with the time loop thingie except kinda not I don't understand Sandbox Mode all you need to know is they're trapped there for a month then escape

they did make the Car they needed the parts for but uh...
Trapped in a alternate dimension for a month...
they kinda never got the chance to show it off and it went into disrepair

[ripe berry]

the ONLY problem is HE's Credits having a clear nod to Search and Rescue
(Sticky Notes saying "Search and..." "Fix!") despite HE only fitting after Episode 6 and Search and Rescue being... it's complicated but for simplicity assume it's during Episode 6

Search and Rescue is weird when trying to tie it into the AS Timeline due to the Aaron Segments making it impossible to just call it Distorted Memories
and the Aaron Segments are tied to the actual HNVR Events as the room Delroy's locked in is similar to one of the Rooms he goes in after going through the Catacomb/Sewer area in the Tutorial so you can't separate them
and HNVR contradicts Episode 6 due to Ivan staying in the Treehouse, the Kids not getting jumped upon comign across the Basement Door, and them actually unlocking the Basement Door before Ted catches them all

(Search and Rescue is HNVR)

cya!

[round perch]

Lets discuss the lore behind that plaster

[frigid pumice]

books are canon

[safe charm]

No

[frigid pumice]

since when

[safe charm]

Well some stuff is but not everything

[safe charm]

The latest 2 years

[frigid pumice]

like?

[ripe berry]

since Hello Neighbor 2 dropped

[safe charm]

Complicated

[ripe berry]

and Hello Neighbor Welcome to Raven Brooks

[tribal talon]

Hey everyone

[teal raven]

All I see in this channel is mostly the AS and Books, which makes sense of course, but I thought both of those were self contained AUs.

Am I wrong?

[tawny badge]

Well its not really been officially stated but I'd have to agree with you there 100%

[teal raven]

Yeah I’m starting to have the bad feeling of the AS being part of the game’s timeline from what I’ve been reading here.

Telling a story through different mediums like some sort of puzzle piece is bad storytelling.

[tawny badge]

Yeeaaaa and the AS has phones that cannot be any earlier than like 2005 an hn2 is in 1996

[shell gull]

Depends on what your talking about, Books are Canon to the Old Lore but now it’s in retirement, AS is Canon to the New Lore, basically a Restart Reboot.

Some of the Games are Canon to New Lore, while most are Canon to Old Lore, this is a way simpler way to distribute the Lore instead of saying “This is Not Canon” when even Old Lore still sometimes pops up once in a while.

[shell gull]

Like I’ve said, contradiction are just invalid when it’s clear that some pieces of Lore only coexist with specific stuff.

[shell gull]

Yup.

[shell gull]

Adding to this, this also explains the whole Manipulation side of Act 2 of HN2, The Guest is purposely leading Quentin helping him even if it’s going against Allies in hopes of him falling into his Trap.

[silver vine]

Yes

AS ties into the games

And so do the books, but books don't follow AS story

[tawny badge]

Well i think the AS is kinda its own thing cus otherwise it contradicts literally every other game they've released

And that would just be stupid

Lol

[tawny badge]

Even the game they are currently updating

[silver vine]

No no they confirmed it

it seems HN1 is a distorted memory

I don't see how HN2 is contradicted in AS

[tawny badge]

Cus hn2 takes place in 1996

It says it on the mayor's gate

[silver vine]

Minor detail

[tawny badge]

The animated series breaks every piece of hn we have gotten

[stiff spire]

yeah

[tawny badge]

Except the raven brooks disaster

But thats the only thing it doesn't contradict

[strange lance]

In season 2 we see Quentin drive up to Teds already raided house during the day in a non crashed van. This literally does not happen in hn2

So much in the AS just cannot work in any other piece of media

[ripe berry]

Due to the DLCs there is a gap in the timeskip in the HN2 Intro that isn't filled with anything

as Back to School ends at 4 AM and the Barn Tutorial starts at 10 PM

[strange lance]

ngl I don't like the dlcs taking place before hn2, its really stupid imo

the base game should be Quentins first experience with this craziness but nah he already broke into 2 other buildings

[ripe berry]

and late fees is 6 PM except for it's ending which is a unknown time during the night

[strange lance]

late fees ends during the day?

its bright a sunny

[ripe berry]

they changed it to end at nighttime iirc

but the lighting doesn't update

only the skybox

[tawny badge]

Exactly

[ripe berry]

regardless

there's still gaps in the timespan of the HN2 Intro's Timeskip where AS Episode 9 can occur

[tawny badge]

True but the crossed out houses on the map implies hes only just started investigating that aria

[strange lance]

So you're telling me the cops raided teds house, Quentin goes Infront of it, leaves to do the dlcs, the cops then leave teds house and take all the police tape and markers away, ted then goes back to his house, gets Aaron, Quentin goes to town again and goes to teds house again and then the cops raid his house again and then crashes?

you know what that sounds like? Different continuities

Its the same event but different

they cannot both happen

[stiff spire]

wait

[tawny badge]

Plus this

[stiff spire]

won't it make sense that the dlcs take place first before the events of HN2?

[tawny badge]

It does yeah

[ripe berry]

there's no markers in-front of Ted's House in Episode 6's Ending so how do we know they were taken by the cops

they could've been removed by Ted off-screen while Quentin does the Barn Tutorial stuff

that shit takes like 2-4 hours for Quentin to do based off his watch

[strange lance]

theres never been markers outside teds house what

they've always been inside his house

[tawny badge]

If someone caught my kidnapping a kid and he crashes? Im walking straight over there to knock his lights out

[ripe berry]

and we don't see in Ted's House in HN2's Intro well enough to see if the Markers were removed

[tawny badge]

I wouldn't start moving stuff

[ripe berry]

thus, at the very least, no proof they were removed

[strange lance]

I was making a hypothetical statement dude I wasn't serious about that

[ripe berry]

again
Autism + lore discussion chat = hard for me to tell what is and isn't serious

sometimes people seem like they're joking but they're being completely serious about smth

[tawny badge]

There are a few minor differences outside of the house from the intro

[tawny badge]

I feel that

[strange lance]

My point is that the AS and hn2 cannot work together that is all. Not like I needed to though because a lot of people already agree they don't work

I see the AS as the fnaf novel trilogy. Different universe, but similar events and characters that can be used in the games with tweaks

Because its quite literally impossible for the events from both pieces of media to occur in the same continuity

[ripe berry]

so then HN2 is in the books continuity?
that's what you seem to be saying here

[tawny badge]

Yep

[tawny badge]

Yea i think its possible

[strange lance]

hn2 can't really work with other media either imo because of contradicting information. Like the Guests origins and what his role is are drastically different in the og lore

[tawny badge]

It doesn't seem to contradict anything major (apart from nicky's house)

[strange lance]

I guess like HS and Hn1 could work with hn2 fg

[tawny badge]

Oh yeah that too

[ripe berry]

Imma hop off for the night, see ya'll tomorrow

[tawny badge]

Aright gn man

[strange lance]

gn

[stiff spire]

gn

[tawny badge]

Well true but the forest protectors are still in the game and they seem to be kinda unrelated to the guests origins so its still very possible for hn 2 to follow the book lore

And why would they retire the "old lore" and immediately proceed to make a game entirely based on the book lore (hn diaries)

[stiff spire]

true

I mean with all these retcons and stuff you may never know what they'll change next

[tawny badge]

I think whats causing all the confusion is that everyone is trying to connect everything to the AS (probably cus its the newest) but it will never work

I don't believe it was meant to either

[silver vine]

Why are we forgetting about the time skip which happens in the intro

[strange lance]

Again, that would imply the cops raided teds house, took all the police tape and markers from inside the house out, and then put them back in after quentin crashes

Which is most definitely not the case

[stiff spire]

that's weird

[strange lance]

Because its stupid and convoluted

[silver vine]

Cops raided Ted's house in ep6 when they arrested him

[silver vine]

The police never took away the markers in the house?

We see them in the guest teaser

[strange lance]

You're not understanding what I'm saying

Somehow

[silver vine]

I can

We saw crime scene tape on the porch in the teasers

But they aren't there in HN2

We know that cops raided the house in ep6

That's why crime scene tape is already there when Quentin arrives

There's no crime scene tape on the porch in HN2, cuz the devs didn't add it.

In one of the recorded tapes Mayor clearly says "go back to the house and find evidence" which all the more implies that the house has already been raided even before HN2

[stiff spire]

there was in the launch trailer but yeah it vanished in the game

[strange lance]

the tape in the launch trailer only appeared after quentin crashed (like the full game)

[stiff spire]

yup

[silver vine]

There's solid evidence that the house was raided before in HN2 itself bruh

[strange lance]

Ok so what you're saying is that: The police raid teds house in episode 6, they fully put out the police tape and crime scene markers in his house as they've found things that are notable (as seen in AS teaser images), Quentin arrives at this time and investiages a bit (as seen in AS teaser images as well) and then! (with little to no evidence to back this up) they take away all of that stuff, so its no longer a crime scene, Quentin just leaves, ted escapes jail, goes back home, takes Aaron with him, Quentin comes BACK, crashes, and then the cops deck out the house as a crime scene again.

[silver vine]

They never took away the stuff

That's what I'm saying

[strange lance]

its gone in hn2's intro what are you on about

[silver vine]

They never took away the crime scene stuff from the house

[silver vine]

There's no crime scene tape on the porch even after Keith's arrival

So

[strange lance]

so nothing. there was still tape on the porch in the AS, implying they still removed it and then added it back after quentin crashes if you truly believe both hn2 and the AS are in the same continuity. You cannot come up with an explanation for this without grasping straws

you essentially have to make up a reason

a reason that ends up being stupid

and I can't get over how they used the 1.5 van

were they not given a reference image

[silver vine]

When did they even add this back

[strange lance]

?

[silver vine]

There is no crime scene tapes on the porch in HN2

I'm saying, they never removed this tape, we just don't see it in HN2 cuz the devs didn't add them

[strange lance]

well they did in the cinematic trailer, so I like to think they just forgot to add it in the game, like the missing posters around town you can see in keyart and other official screenshots

theres a lot of things in hn2 that are meant to be present but were simply forgotten

[silver vine]

Wait wait

[strange lance]

and with updates, I can hope they will add all that back

[silver vine]

What if it was Ted who removed this

[silver vine]

Hopefully

[silver vine]

Since he needed to drag Aaron back to the house through the front door, he could've removed this tape clearly

[stiff spire]

that'd make sense

[silver vine]

Indeed

[tawny badge]

Nah they didn't raid it, they arrested mr Peterson and the house was left there

[silver vine]

.

[tawny badge]

None of them entered that night anyway

[silver vine]

How do you know

[tawny badge]

I saw

Cus they drove away

[silver vine]

You can clearly see cops interrogating the Bales while the car was driving away

[tawny badge]

And when trinity looked out the window there is no one there

[silver vine]

It was midnight bruh....

[tawny badge]

...

[silver vine]

Or even if they didn't raid the house at night, they could've raided it in the morning

Have you even seen the AS teasers?

[tawny badge]

Exactly

[silver vine]

One teaser showed guest standing in the house and there were crime scene stuff around him

[tawny badge]

-_-

[stiff spire]

oh yeah this one

sorry I couldn't pull up the full image

[shell gull]

They’ve confirmed the AS has the dates moved up which is why Phones exist, AS isn’t one to one story, HN2 is just a mess that has many issues everywhere.

[shell gull]

Yeah no based on what we know this should be taking place after the Crash, it doesn’t work well.

[stiff spire]

yeah HN2 seems to be taking place in the 90s

mayor's star championship boat whatever thing hinted at it

[silver vine]

PLEASE just read my messages

Ahhh fine I'll explain it once more

[shell gull]

I saw it.

[silver vine]

The house was raided by the cops after ep6, that's why the crime scene tapes are there

They're not there in HN2 intro cuz Ted removed them in order to drag Aaron back to the house

After Ted's escape Mayor tells Keith to go back to the house and find evidence

[stiff spire]

I made a suggestion about the police tape if you guys are interested in it

[silver vine]

And thus HN2 day one begins

[shell gull]

Right, so they finish interrogations having the guy arrested, but there clearly isn’t any Tape at midnight right after the Incident, while yes HN2 has them check the place after Night that has a good reasoning, this doesn’t make sense that much.

[silver vine]

Maybe they investigated in the morning? Idk but the Mayor tape recordings clearly implies that the cops have raided the house before HN2

Maybe, what we can do is, wait for season 2 to release and argue about this later

We can't judge everything by just a single frame

[shell gull]

Doesn’t it make more sense they were looking for Ted after he broke out?

The Mayor Tape implies that more.

[shell gull]

That’s completely fair.

Not saying your wrong but it doesn’t make much sense with the context? And logic.

[silver vine]

Instead of yapping all day everyday saying "AS does NOT fit any game and WILL not fit HN2", I feel like we should just wait till we see the full picture, we haven't even seen half of it.

[silver vine]

How does it not make sense? Idk

[shell gull]

I made on point about it after the Month break from spending actual time in this Server?

[silver vine]

No

It's not like that

[shell gull]

👍🏻 mostly yeah

[silver vine]

HN1 is common to both old and new lore

[shell gull]

What…how…

[silver vine]

Are you guys serious?

HN2 is the fricking sequel to HN1

HN1 is mostly distorted memory

In AS lore

Yes

[muted moon]

for new lore:
act 1 - somewhat, but mostly yes
act 2 - yeah
act 3 - not a lot, but still can go fine i guess

for new lore - yes
for old lore - no

[silver vine]

Yes

[muted moon]

old lore was book 3 and hnvr

yeah

i prefer how old lore goes imo

kinda just goes smoother

[shell gull]

We’re talking about a Sequel where it’s original Lore (A Lore that connected to Old Lore) got removed, to replace with New Lore, yes it’s a Sequel to the Game, doesn’t mean it’s a Sequel to the same Lore since most of everything got changed to fit the Reboot, though it really depends on what Lore we’re talking about.

[silver vine]

It IS the sequel to the same lore bruh

[muted moon]

no

this is just wrong

[shell gull]

Wha…huh

[silver vine]

Why are we forgetting that HN1 is actually an original lore and not old lore

[muted moon]

hn1 is old lore

[silver vine]

Old lore rectons some important plot points established in HN2

[muted moon]

new lore reuses old lore

[shell gull]

My brain is going ferrel, did something major happen the last Month?

[shell gull]

Exactly that’s why they aren’t the Same Lore.

[silver vine]

Nicky was never Aaron's friend in original lore

[muted moon]

what?

yes he was

[silver vine]

No

Nicky being Aaron's friend was a thing made by West

Not Nikita

[shell gull]

Old Lore was the First Focused Lore, consisted of every Game except HN2, though it got Retired to restart with a New Lore for the Cartoon, in turn they tampered with the Lore of HN2 before Launch to fit AS, and just started altering SN to fit AS.

[muted moon]

original lore obviously was meant to be expanded on

[silver vine]

Old lore also rectons stuff like Neighbor putting up missing posters, the house burning down, the amusement park, etc.

[shell gull]

Obviously it ended on a Cliff Hanger.

[muted moon]

yeah

[silver vine]

The amusement park got demolished in the books while Nikita intended the park to be used in the games

[muted moon]

it never got completely demolished

[silver vine]

It did bruh

[muted moon]

im pretty sure earth pro never finished what they were doing

[silver vine]

Read book 3

Earthpro completely razed the land

But yes they did not finish what they wanted

[muted moon]

werent they just in the middle of cleaning up some of the factory buildings

[silver vine]

They never built the community or mall or whatever they wanted

[shell gull]

Book 3 states it wasn’t finished.

[silver vine]

But they completely removed the park from existence

[shell gull]

Which is why HG the Park was so small and looked half buried in rubble.

[silver vine]

Book 3 mentions they removed all the rides and stands

While they are still there in HG

[muted moon]

hg was taking place during the cleanup

[muted moon]

thats why there was the fences

the fences were only there to stop trespassers

during the cleaning up

its likely that since nicky could enter the area that the fences were later removed

[shell gull]

Like said they state all this but also state it was incomplete.

Not everything was demolished out.

[muted moon]

also, with the whole "reengineering" thing, wouldnt nicky have gone inside the factory?

why would the building they just built be messy, and why would they get kids to pick up trash?

[silver vine]

Idk bruh, HN1 perfectly fits in AS/HN2 timeline, Idk why y'all considering it non canon to the literal canonical sequel

[muted moon]

it fits mostly fine, it just has a few parts that dont entirely fit

[silver vine]

Like?

[muted moon]

act 3

and act 1

[shell gull]

Because it is Non Canon to the Sequel, Distorted Memory is so off when even it’s stated only Act 2 is Distorted, like I’ve said before, these are just AS Interpretations the Actual things they refer to are much different.

[silver vine]

Nicky also breaks the 3 locks and enters the room

What about that

[shell gull]

A Reboot is obviously gonna be different from the Source shouldn’t pull the Original Source into the mix.

[muted moon]

act 1 was a distorted memory as well, but it was still mostly the same

the transition from act 1 to act 2 is waking up

act 1 is also part of the dream

its just less distorted

[shell gull]

Old Lore was always the definitive thing for the Games Pre-Reboot.

[muted moon]

yeah

[silver vine]

Well, now it's gone, what do you want me to do huh?

[muted moon]

nothing

[shell gull]

Anything past now is a different Story, but the Original Source is different.

[silver vine]

To me, if it fits, it sits

HN1 fits the story of HN2, so it sits

[shell gull]

Nothing really, it’s gone for the most part I’ve accepted that, but just let it be in Piece, can’t fit Puzzle Pieces with Newer Pieces of a different Board.

[silver vine]

We're talking about how AS rectons things, but why are we ignoring the fact that books retconned a lot of things as well

Back in the day, PPL hated the books like anything

Just like how PPL hate the AS now

[muted moon]

the retcons are extremely minor though

[silver vine]

But it has more impact

[shell gull]

Oh no Old Lore retcons a ton yeah, but that’s mostly because they make Mistakes or have changes of Plans, AS is purposely Retconning.

[muted moon]

most of the book retcons make things better

[shell gull]

I don’t blame a Dev Team not being completely on track with a Whole Book Series and messing up the Hair Color of Two Characters.

[shell gull]

True.

[shell gull]

(Mya and Diane)

[silver vine]

Some, yes. But some others, no

While I loved the retcon of Aaron being friends with Nicky, it really bugged me that Peterson tore down the missing posters in the books while we clearly see him put them up in HN1

They also retconned the fact that the house got destroyed

[shell gull]

I don’t blame a Dev Team not remembering the Original Skin Color of a Character who’s Race and Ethnicity was mentioned like Twice.

[muted moon]

tearing down the missing posters makes more sense than putting them up (he doesnt want people to think his kids are missing)

[silver vine]

But luckily HN2 is bringing it back

[shell gull]

I only really blame stuff like this Lore Wise the actual Reasons are beyond me.

[silver vine]

He actually wants PPL to think his kids went missing, so that they won't suspect him

[muted moon]

in the games it was implied he was doing it out of sadness of losing his kids

which doesnt make sense with book lore

[silver vine]

Yes

[shell gull]

He teared them down and hid them inside Nicky’s room to get blame on him.

[muted moon]

exactly

it is a fine retcon

an extremely minor detail in the games that doesnt change a lot

[silver vine]

But retconning the entire house not getting destroyed is a huge one

[shell gull]

Like I said both Book Writers and Dev Writers aren’t one person they are separate Minds who aren’t one to one on everything, this is an Indie Team working with a Small Book Team.

[muted moon]

we dont know what exactly happened there, since reset days story was never concluded

[silver vine]

But we know it takes place after act 3, and the house is still there

[shell gull]

Implied to be taken over by The Guest.

Easily could’ve been renovated.

[silver vine]

(Alpha 1.5)

[shell gull]

Pretty much proof there since he does literally Colonize the place, and also it’s an Alpha.

[muted moon]

it also seems around this time guest world portals began appearing around raven brooks

[silver vine]

But Alpha 1.5 was guest world tho

[silver vine]

The house got destroyed in the real world

[muted moon]

it would be possible the guest world house somehow got dragged into the real world

[shell gull]

Yes but Foreshadow and Symbolism is common in the Alphas.

For example Guest Kid.

[muted moon]

if 3 kids, a journalist, a cat, an old man, and an entire freaking car got sent to this place i dont think it would be weird for objects to be able to get pulled out as well

[muted moon]

alpha 1 as well

[opal steeple]

and whatever MITH was at the time

[muted moon]

an alternate version of the hn2a1 map was used for testing guest world

[muted moon]

that too

oh also the GAAP somehow ended up in guest world

not talking about hga1

im talking about the one on the hill

[shell gull]

Quite literally is in the real world, it was growing in The Underground, it even started breaking into the Surface Via the Sink Holes in RD.

[muted moon]

i know guest world is a real alternate dimension

but i cant think of any other names for normal world

i dont really remember much, i havent read the book in a few years

[shell gull]

Real Life works fine.

[muted moon]

could you give a quick recap? i only bought the first 3 books, the others i got from the library

[silver vine]

How is guest kid symbolic?

[muted moon]

he represents the neighbor

being trapped

probably

he definitely represents someone

i had a theory that he represented someone else who was trapped, but quentin wasnt able to save them in time and instead found the neighbor

he does seem to get more weaker/more scared the more candy you put in the bag

[ripe berry]

Same here

which is why I view everything but HNVR (and maybe RBO) as being able to be the AS canon
HN1 - Acts 1 and 2 are distorted memories while Acts 3-Finale (since we have nothing atm on the kid's lives in their 30s) occur exactly as seen in HN1
HNHS - literally already fits as is
SN - not sure what SN is exactly but it's like a distorted memory or smth so I guess it fits
HN2 - a part of AS Lore
HE - while it may seem like the Dream Car is a problem it's actually not because you can say they had a joke design (similar but not exact to the Park Design) before realizing they probably couldn't go to the park and then going to the design in the HE Intro, + Enzo's first idea is to get parts from the Park (based off the Chalk Board in the Intro) which he then scribbles out before seeing the Park and realizing it could actually work
HND - Nothing says Nicky and Aaron don't know each other + Aaron's Backpack in Nicky's Treehouse in HN2 + HND Assets in Nicky's Treehouse
RBO - Fits perfectly other then the Month it occurs on

[silver vine]

time for text wall

its as simple as this

[unkempt sleet]

Albert Einstein theorizing on HN no way

[silver vine]

no way

Idk why ppl like sh1mp over complicate stuff by saying "HN1 is different lore, it is not canon to HN2" "old puzzle pieces will never fit into newpuzzle pieces"

[ripe berry]

HNVR is really the only problem due to the Aaron Segments being linked to the events we see in the rest of the game
meaning Finch and Delroy are trapped but not Ivan making it not AS-Accurate
and the room Delroy's Trapped in is similar to the room Ted sits in in the HNVR Intro that Delroy has to get past, linking what we see in the Aaron Segments all the way back to the HNVR Intro

it really depends on what ends up happening to Aaron though

[silver vine]

we now know that the kids are again gonna be breaking into the house in season 2 while Ted is in prison

that prob explains SN map 4

[ripe berry]

yeah

especially since they seem to be breaking in while the Police Markers and stuff are still up

[unkempt sleet]

So true Einstein

[ripe berry]

(again with HN there's tons of little details in the games even when you'll only see it for a few seconds like the markings on the Chalkboard in the HE Intro or Nicky's Eviction Letter in HN1 Act 3)

[unkempt sleet]

I want to make more quotes like this, this is funny

[silver vine]

indeed

guys

why are there giant cultist statues everywhere under Raven Brooks

[unkempt sleet]

I had a theory explaining that

hold on let me find the image

[ripe berry]

here

and here

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[silver vine]

who built them

and why

and why and how are they all underground

[ripe berry]

even if the books aren't canon I'd like to think ideas from the books can be ported over (if there's some form of evidence) to the new lore

[unkempt sleet]

Ancient cult people build stuff for no reason idk

[ripe berry]

NOT all of them

there's 1 on the surface
partly buried next to the Raven Brooks Banner

[silver vine]

it was prob entirely buried, but resurfaces while building the banner and/or fountain

[ripe berry]

also gonna note the original statues DON'T have coins on them, only the Museum one has coins on it

[silver vine]

still, its buried

[ripe berry]

fair enough

[silver vine]

why did ppl create giant statues and just bury them

[tribal talon]

hey

[silver vine]

hi

[ripe berry]

most of them are in Catacombs so I assume it has some religious importance

or had

[silver vine]

mhmmm

[ripe berry]

(yes the Patch 9 Basement Area is Catacombs according to the OST)

[silver vine]

we used to have guest statues in alphas, now its cultist statues

[ripe berry]

(The Crypt is the Ending Area)

the actual OST so you can check that the song is linked to the area I'm saying it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOvdRZqXZdw

[ripe berry]

also Swamp is just Otto's House
dunno why they call it that but they do

[tribal talon]

hey everyone

what are you guys talking about?

[stiff spire]

shrek easter egg in HN2 when

[ripe berry]

but I'm not sure why there's the Statue buried by the Raven Brooks Banner

[stiff spire]

what if the banner was built above an ancient burial ground that's one of my best guesses

[silver vine]

maybe the part of catacombs in that area got collapsed

and now the statue is slightly exposed

[ripe berry]

also again gonna note Catacombs are historicially tunnels underground with religious connections that usually are Burial Places

[stiff spire]

I wouldn't be surprised since we do know that Gordon Cleave was one of the cult members maybe he helped build one of the burial grounds underneath

[ripe berry]

I mean the definition of Catacombs calls them a Burial Place

[silver vine]

the catacombs are ancient

I dont think he or any of the current townsfolk built anything

or atleast not a lot

[stiff spire]

oh yeah

[ripe berry]

Possibly even predating the proper founding of Raven Brooks

as the Museum (which fits well as a Late 1930s Manor) was likely the Founder's House

[stiff spire]

I wonder how the founder went away maybe he ran into financial issues with the mueseum since people stopped coming or he was a cult member who got caught (idk)

[ripe berry]

I mean it's even placed ontop of a hill to overlook the entire town, which while not every Founder's House sits to overlook the entire town, would make sense for them to put their house

especially if they wanted to try to reinforce the idea of being the "leader" of the town

is now a good time to mention items like the Golden Apple, Gold Crow, and the Tokens (Golden Apple Coins) are seen sitting on a Bedroom Mirror, indicating even the Founder to be a cultist

[silver vine]

I wonder if guest still loves golden apples

[ripe berry]

I'd assume so since the tokens it uses are from the park and have a prominent Golden Apple on them

[silver vine]

also whats the deal with golden crows

[ripe berry]

not sure
every house in HN2 Base Game has them

Ted's House even has 2

[tribal talon]

Hey

what are you guys talking about?

[silver vine]

lore

[tribal talon]

i know

[silver vine]

golden crows

[tribal talon]

what are you guys talking about in hn

ok

[silver vine]

some golden crows also seem to have coins in their beaks

like the painting in Mayor's house and in nightmare 3

maybe thats where we should place the coin we get in the catacomb?

in a golden crows beak?

[stiff spire]

maybe

I thought of the golden crows as a cool decorative item but they just have but its more than meets the eye

I guess

[silver vine]

Let the fire begin!!!!

You wouldn't get it

It's an inside joke

It should be kept inside

[shell gull]

You can see the Statue is submerged in the Dirt, so I doubt it, it makes more sense to be very old, which fits since based on what we know The Cult has been there for a long time, over time soil builds up to make New Layers on the Earth, Via why Fossils are underground, so it makes sense that these are Statues that have been there for some time and just got slightly buried.

[silver vine]

it got slightly buried?

we see tons of statues layed underground in patch 9

they clearly werent buried by accident

the construction of banner, fountain etc. just exposed this particular statue

[shell gull]

The one by the Banner clearly toppled over.

[silver vine]

yes

[shell gull]

Yeah but most are in the Catacombs I’m talking about the ones exposed in the surface.

The Cult

It’s statues of Cultist.

[silver vine]

that is, only one that too partially exposed

mostly cuz of the fountain's and banner's construction

it was supposed to be underground

the one in the museum is clear that it was excavated from underground and restored

[shell gull]

Obviously, the one by the Banner is half submerged in the Hill, it’s clearly submerged and has been there for some time.

[silver vine]

yes

it also wasnt exposed before patch 6, which makes me to believe that the construction of the new fountain is what exposed it

[shell gull]

Somewhat yes, FPs in Old Lore are still just a Myth, while one New Lore it’s the actual Cult Name, though Cultists is easy to use for Both Lores and just more consistent.

[silver vine]

forest protectors is the actual name of the cult?

[shell gull]

Well, the hills in HN2 mostly all end on cliffs and dead ends, I think it’s just naturally there.

[shell gull]

Not in Old Lore it wasn’t.

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think it is their actual name now?

[silver vine]

Im not talking about old lore dingus

its DEAD

[shell gull]

It gets deep.

[winter mason]

Rip old lore

[silver vine]

its not, its never been mentioned in new lore

[unkempt sleet]

yea

[shell gull]

Yeah but it sounded like you were referring to what I said.

Alex continuously says Forest Protectors when referring to The Cult.

[silver vine]

if the forest protector myth existed in AS, I feel like the kids would prob correlate it with the guest, but they seem to call the guest as crowface

[shell gull]

But Alex half the time doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

So he’s pretty unreliable.

[silver vine]

thats prob for our understanding

[unkempt sleet]

Because we like also refer them as Forest Protectors

[shell gull]

It’s different.

Gtg

👋

[silver vine]

byee

forest protectors are the name of a myth in the books

[unkempt sleet]

Forest Protectors is the name of the Myth that got created because of the cult

[silver vine]

it was the cult which started the myth in order to scare ppl away from the forest

[unkempt sleet]

Kids thought they were actual crow people that ate kids blood and protect the forest

But that was just a myth created around the cult to make kids stay out of the forest

[silver vine]

yes

[unkempt sleet]

We just refer to the cult as Forest Protectors because it's easier to understand

[silver vine]

still here

[unkempt sleet]

[ripe berry]

not only restored
but updated to be more accurate to the Modern Cultists

banned for 30 days

(he still has 27 days left on his ban)

I have contact with him outside of this server, that's all I'll say on that matter

pretty sure it was smth like "being constantly rude to the other members"

anyways this isn't lore related so-

[ripe berry]

my current belief on the timeline:
Petersons Stick Together
HNHS/HND (Memories)
(something similar to) HN1 Act 1 Intro
AS Episodes 1-4
(something similar to) HN1 Act 1 Basement
AS Episodes 5-8
HN2 Intro (Pre-Timeskip)
AS Episode 9
HN2 BtS
HN2 LF
HN2 (Post-Timeskip)
LayoutV2
HE
HN2 Patch 9
HE Sandbox Mode
RBO
AS Episode 10/HN1 Acts 1-2/SN
HN1 Acts 3-Finale
HND
AS Episodes 11+

[hazy slate]

didn't notice this in the DMs but I'm like 99% sure it doesn't work if BTS and LF are placed during the timeskip

maybe late fees will work

but BTS would need to be on a different day

[ripe berry]

due to AS Episode 9 there's enough to fill two days in the timeskip

[hazy slate]

I suppose

[tribal talon]

hey everyone

[silver vine]

Quentin drinking coffee in the intro

I'm serious

[ripe berry]

timeskip is the simplest way to describe it because it clearly goes from day to night

[wooden hollow]

that's just a cool transition

[ripe berry]

and he's moved

[silver vine]

Multiple days have passed in between

[ripe berry]

hence, we've SKIPPED forward in TIME by 2 plus days

[wooden hollow]

Really? Thought it was just later in the same day

[silver vine]

The DLCs confirm it

[wooden hollow]

ohhh right that makes sense

[ripe berry]

Back to School Ends at 4 AM
Barn Tutorial begins at 10 PM

[wooden hollow]

Because he investigates the school and library before the main story happens

[ripe berry]

the things right after the intro

library is at 6 PM iirc

it's Quentin trying to obtain more info on the case

he goes to the library to obtain the Archives Book which would have details about the history of the town and it's citizens

[unkempt sleet]

the newly added intro's to the DLC'S

[ripe berry]

they've added intro cutscenes to the DLCs with wayron Croobian that explains why he's there

[unkempt sleet]

You know how Quentin looks at his notebook now

[ripe berry]

(Wayron Croobian is the jumbled English you find in the games)

[unkempt sleet]

in the intros

yea

[ripe berry]

yeah they should be on youtube somewhere

[unkempt sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gEl4f4GzpE

[ripe berry]

and he goes to the school to obtain "Dossiers" (Files on the Students)

since you know

the missing kids are

Kids

[wooden hollow]

I can't believe the HN2 story actually makes sense

[ripe berry]

it's be weird if the Library Archives book had information on every kid in town

[ripe berry]

so that's why he goes to the School
to obtain the information on the Kids

[unkempt sleet]

I just realized, that implies the missing kids "Aaron and Mya" went to that School thats in the dlc. Which ties to the AS where it's the same school the kids go to

he goes there to get the Raven Brooks archive

[ripe berry]

to obtain information on adults, to get suspects

[unkempt sleet]

The book you get at the end of the dlc

[ripe berry]

intro spells it out for us

[stiff spire]

yeah they updated the dlcs iirc a few months ago with new intros

both of them showing Quentin arrive to the places

[ripe berry]

"Find Archive Book"

[wooden hollow]

It's Wayron Croobian

[unkempt sleet]

Wayron Croobian

the letters are jumbled up

[ripe berry]

no the Games purposefully jumble up letters

[ripe berry]

most pieces of Wayron Croobian have already been translated

yep
Wayron Croobs is Raven Brooks

yeah sometimes they also change letters around

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think thats the reason but eh

[wooden hollow]

No it's just because it's a fictional language

[ripe berry]

it should be pronounced roughly the same when you put the letters in the right order
Raywon Broocs
Hoorocan

[unkempt sleet]

Hurricane i assume

[ripe berry]

Secret Neighbor's Spelling of Hurricane

[wooden hollow]

what would crowman shelter be in wayron croobian

[unkempt sleet]

Wcorrnam Leshter

Idk

[wooden hollow]

Worcnam Lehster

[ripe berry]

Crow is Rawk due to a sign in HN1 saying "Rawk Doof" (Crow Food)

[unkempt sleet]

RawkNam Lehster

[wooden hollow]

Ohhh that's what that meant

Yes

[ripe berry]

kinda but not really

sometimes they have consistency

sometimes they don't

[wooden hollow]

There's also spoken wayron croobian in the HN2 tapes

[wooden hollow]

Well maybe that's just part of the language. Though "ulge" from HND is unforgivable

[ripe berry]

Crow is Rawk in Hello Neighbor 1 but Rcow in Hello Guest

[unkempt sleet]

Rcow makes more sense tbh

[ripe berry]

or Onep (iirc) in Hello Neighbor 2 but Poyen in Hello Neighbor 1

heck in Secret Neighbor there was at one point two spellings of Your in the same map

Ryou and Rooy

[wooden hollow]

There's also multiple ways to spell milk right?

[unkempt sleet]

kilm

[ripe berry]

Klim is in the DLCs iirc

[stiff spire]

I thought at first it was Kilm but it was Klim

[ripe berry]

it's Kilm in HN1

[stiff spire]

oh

[wooden hollow]

It's also Milk in HN1 lol

[ripe berry]

Klim in a Steel Wool only thing iirc

[stiff spire]

mandela effect of HN

[ripe berry]

yeah sometimes they use english by mistake

I don't have Hello Engineer or Nicky's Diaries so it could be spelt weird in those games, hence "If I Recall Correctly"

kinda I guess

[wooden hollow]

I have them but I also have a bad memory

[ripe berry]

Hello Engineer has like gisming or something instead of Simming

which is otherwise like

[ripe berry]

one of the only 100% consistent words

Hello Engineer is just weird with the spellings in general

[stiff spire]

yeah

[ripe berry]

like early HE Models that were shared at one point had "Varen Roobs" instead of Wayron Croobs

[wooden hollow]

I thought you had a great memory

[stiff spire]

imagine if in the ruined town they bring this back

but revamped in some way

[wooden hollow]

I'm really curious to see how the AS will fit into HN2's story

I mean, Nicky has already escaped and Ted has been arrested by the time Quentin arrives

[stiff spire]

me too

[silver vine]

I really want to see how he escaped jail

[wooden hollow]

All police officers except Keith disappear and he just walks out lol

[stiff spire]

maybe he got a good lawyer wait

[unkempt sleet]

Because he's not in jail in HN2?

[stiff spire]

wasn't there a teaser where he was smiling in his cell because he saw a weird book

[wooden hollow]

yes

the cult book

[stiff spire]

found it

[wooden hollow]

yes but i cant tell you :(

[ripe berry]

👀

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1169100238045315082/20231031_212639.gif?ex=65542c71&is=6541b771&hm=d46c3d6a59990cf0edc97e1b9b64264c5b6a8133899991937daa275c35e3b7d4&

How do you know

[wooden hollow]

alex and I have a blood pact

yeah we went to the same school

[stiff spire]

the big bad wolf in the 3 little pigs be like

[wooden hollow]

why would i want that

are you threatening me

haha thats funny

[unkempt sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

Also it's Masha

[wooden hollow]

yes totally

[unkempt sleet]

Idc it's still fire

[wooden hollow]

no no im a vegetarian