lore-discussion

[strange lance]

Nikita said that mayak makes everything "canon"

but this was during hg

and the story was drasticlly disconnected

so I could see that excuse working

but he realized it was stupid and ditched it

so hn2 was just a direct sequel to hn1

and made it also directly connected to book events

so everything would nicely tie together

a shame we never got THAT

ok this just turned into me ranting mb lol

Ik people say get over it cause its been a while, but I can't just get over it

I wasted so much time theorizing and waiting for hn2 to tie everything I've been reading and playing together just for that to be taken away at the last second

wdym get over it

also I was scammed out of money that was also bad lol

[ripe berry]

I honestly was expecting some retcon to happen ever since the first script piece for AS was revealed back in like April 2022

[strange lance]

I wish HN never got a cartoon. I never liked the idea of it

[ripe berry]

I just tried to come up with shit excuses to prevent retcons

[ripe berry]

but at the same time, if the Cartoon didn't exist, Alex wouldn't have tried to link everything HN into one plot (actually maybe not this particular point, Idk the exact development timelines for Books, AS, and Games, all I know is Books were made canon basically last second as they had to go back after the release of the Book to fix Mya and Diane's Hair Color, and that AS likely began Development around this same time)

we wouldn't have the Rescue Squad as we know them today

etc.

[strange lance]

is that really a bad thing lol

I can live without the squad

they legit got 3 games for no reason

[ripe berry]

ok fair enough

[strange lance]

HE being the biggest waste

Even back then they were trying to make a game tie to a big book event left unsolved and the stupid kids barged in AAAAA

[ripe berry]

but I'm still pretty sure the whole "books are canon" thing was done around the time AS began development to streamline things

[strange lance]

and the fact that their models are just edited myas and aarons

to this day they never got updated models

[ripe berry]

lmao

[strange lance]

also the maritza and enzo whitewashing is

😬

[ripe berry]

blame the AS Designing Team for not catching that particular error

Enzo, Maritza, and Trinity's Designs were made for AS before being ported into SN

I would be able to excuse it completely if they didn't literally have a drawing of Maritza in the book

[strange lance]

Man this sucks cause theres parts of the final HE I love. I love the park design and the areas in it, I love that the observatory got a chance to shine, I love the lore and all that

But they should've just made that another game

Not replace basically an entire different game that was fully developed

[ripe berry]

hey, had to move the park stuff somewhere after cutting it from HN2

[strange lance]

If we had no HE park design the AS would probably still use the pilot park

[ripe berry]

hell in Episode 1 and 3 they STILL use Pilot Park

despite HE having existed in Development with the Park by that point

[strange lance]

Also HE has one of if not the best and most consistent art style in the whole series so I'm glad we got what we got

At least the island game events still canonically happen I guess thats a plus

would've been nice to play it though lol

[ripe berry]

if you're saying that
you're deconfirming Manifestation Theory as it's most commonly thought of lol

You yourself said Guest would've appeared in Island Plot
but this is years before HNHS, meaning the Guest couldn't exist yet under Manifestation
so either Manifestation is false, or Island Plot doesn't happen in canon

[strange lance]

By events I meant like, Ted crashing on the island and exploring fake raven brooks and then escaping, not necessarily all the lore bits

[ripe berry]

hell I doubt even Fake Brooks exists anymore

nothing references it's existence
and there's like 500 things Ted could've seen on the Island

[strange lance]

like?

[ripe berry]

Idk, didn't think this through fully
but again without specifically stating it's a Fake Raven Brooks, you can't confirm it exists still

[stiff spire]

I could imagine Theodore slowly losing his mind on the island

[strange lance]

Nothing seems to contradict it so I don't really see a problem

[ripe berry]

we just know Ted saw something weird on the Island, that's all that's confirmed
through the existence of Island Plot we know it's a Fake Raven Brooks, but as that was never released, we can't claim that was what existed there in the original game as the "CANON" answer
Headcanon? Yes. Canon? No.

[strange lance]

Also this might not even be the guest

this could be something else entirely

[ripe berry]

it's like how the HNHS Alpha Ending Cutscene isn't canon despite nothing directly contradicting the scene's existence in canon

[stiff spire]

I like that ending ngl

one of the best scenes imo

[ripe berry]

(I know people think the crow in that ending is the Guest but by looking at the facts all we know is going on is a Crow was looking into the Peterson Window during the HNHS Stage 1 Ending and flew off)

[stiff spire]

true

[ripe berry]

or (is Ted still in the city in HN1? I'm on Xbox so I can't fact-check if he is due to the outdated version we're on)

[ripe berry]

if he's not
even though nothing prevents him (or a Guest possessed version of him) from being in the City him being there wouldn't be able to be called canon

[stiff spire]

yeah he was stalking the player from a distance or something in act 3 iirc

[ripe berry]

I'm asking if that was removed because they removed the Binoculars you can use to properly see him from what I've heard

[stiff spire]

oh they did

[strange lance]

This is like saying Norman Darby isn't Quentin because Norman doesn't say "I'm Quentin" even though we know he is quentin.

Theres unfortunately never going to be confirmation cause those stories are over cause of the AS and whatnot.

Thats also like saying Tales from the pizzaplex isn't in the games continuity of fnaf cause scott never said it was even though we know it is.

Nothing is stopping fake brooks from existing. Obviously the game and whatever lore it had doesn't matter now, but Ted still canonically went on that island as mentioned in the books. So unless theres concrete contradictions that fake brooks cannot exist with modern HE then I'm going to treat it as real

[stiff spire]

I never knew that

that must mean they removed the neighbor then but idk

[tropic pasture]

whats wite washing?

[strange lance]

when you get a character thats a person of color and make them lighter or just white

[ripe berry]

I know I know
I'm just saying here because they scrapped the original game, applying the information from the game could give incorrect conclusions (even if at the time it was correct)
it'd be like if the Talbert Files and people started applying them to the FNaF Lore despite them being cut and the lore around it easily being changed at any given time

[tropic pasture]

oh thanks

[strange lance]

np

[ripe berry]

my thought, as least with HN, is if something was cut, it was cut for a reason
no matter if that reason is the lore changing or whatever

with FNaF it's more of a case-by-case basis

[strange lance]

well tb riga devs did give a reason for cutting the island and it wasn't for lore surprisingly

it was a very stupid reason

[ripe berry]

that was?

[tropic pasture]

can you send me a picher of the chaarters withe washed i cant find one

[strange lance]

"we couldn't get the cars to work with surviving"

So they instead got the issue (cars) and scrapped exploration and survival entirely and thats how we got the HE we have now

i hate the cars

they never should've existed in HE

uuuugh

[ripe berry]

like with AR the Unused Emails I treat as canon but the Faz-Facts I don't

or AR's entire existence in the canon
even though in itself AR is kinda cut content as it's shut down

[ripe berry]

damn

just make the Car thing a separate Gamemode

ya'll want it to be canon?
Make it designing Cars for one of Ted's Amusement Parks
maybe even a prequel to the actual events of the Game

how hard would that be for them

they wouldn't even have to cut any of the work they had put into the game

but this is lore discussion so I'll stop this mini-rant here

[strange lance]

This was Maritza's original design (she is Hispanic by the way)

this is her now

[ripe berry]

also to backtrack a bit
if SN isn't AS Timeline then what is it
because it certaintly isn't Books Timeline

[tropic pasture]

so its consepet art?

[strange lance]

no thats from the books where Maritza was introduced

thats art from the book

[ripe berry]

no it made it into the first Book

[strange lance]

its a photo of the friends. Top is the oldest, bottom is the most recent

now they are all white

[ripe berry]

and then the AS Team (and therefore the SN Team) just somehow missed this when designing her for the Show/Game and uh yeah this is how that happened

[tropic pasture]

oh i didnt read the books ive only seen the game and the show

[ripe berry]

[strange lance]

I gotta know who made this art

[ripe berry]

they were on the same stuff Reference Sheet AS Enzo is on

[tropic pasture]

wow that is withe washing why do compenys do this its so ponitles

[strange lance]

its not like she has a bad design

[ripe berry]

why?
In this particular case I think it was a honest Mistake by the AS Team when trying to translate the design into the Show

[ripe berry]

which then got translated from the AS/Cartoon Pilot to Secret Neighbor

[tropic pasture]

i like the redisnin

[ripe berry]

it's not a bad thing to

[ripe berry]

Quentin exists
Named Quentin so no pulling Norman Darby stuff
when under Quentin's Lore and SN's original lore this shouldn't be possible

and yet

[strange lance]

ngl it feels like the island was a big testing ground for something. Theres a factory inside a purplish volcano extracting lava, theres mayak with a weird crystal on top, and then theres a copy of raven brooks with seemingly no citizens

[ripe berry]

#secret-neighbor message

[strange lance]

and something to do with the earths core what?

[ripe berry]

lmao they were really preparing to explain the science of the HN Universe

like anyone would actually understand

I mean most people don't even understand FNaF's explanation of Remnant/Agony and how it works

despite the Remnant bit being literally super straight-forward

When you die your Memories linger as a "Ghost" of you and can possess objects

if that's confusing it'd be 10x worse for explaining the science of the HN Universe

[strange lance]

heres some volcano related textures we have

[ripe berry]

ok

[ripe berry]

especially when it seems to involve the Core of the Planet somehow

[ripe berry]

(there's a bit more to it then that, mainly with how Splitting Remnant up works, but it's pretty straight-forward stuff if you actually think about it)

[strange lance]

how dare you ignore my lava findings 😤

[ripe berry]

I mean the textures are cool and all
but this is the Lore Discussion chat and there's hardly anythingg lore realted to gleam from the textures that wasn't already known

the one thing Lore Related I can even say about the textures really is what the Blue Crystals in one of the textures are

and even then that's probably just Diamonds or some other pre-existing Blue Crystal

[strange lance]

I wasn't being serious, I just wanted to share cool remnants from the past considering the topic was the volcano before you went on about fnaf lol

[ripe berry]

(I dunno why I went on about FNaF really other then "No one would've actually fully understood the lore in Old HE Plot because people can't understand basic FNaF Science, led alone the HN Science that'd likely be explained in Old HE")

[ripe berry]

but yeah probably was some kind of testing grounds

[ripe berry]

(sorry, my Autism makes it hard to tell when someone's being serious and when they aren't, especially online, so I just have to assume they're being serious)

honestly I wonder what the complete old HE Plot was

too bad they rarely release any plot details for early versions of the games after launch

[strange lance]

Oh my bad then.

[strange lance]

Ted crashes (for unknown reason), Ted sets up base at lighthouse, Ted survives and does things, Ted sees something, Ted eventually escapes

I'd love to know more

but the devs didn't say much when i asked

just that it was neighbor on a island

[silver vine]

Nicky was never "the new kid" in the original HN1 time

SN, the way I see it, could possibly be retconned to distorted memory/ self therapy as well.

[silver vine]

Even after so many years I still cannot wrap my mind around how Norman Darby could be Quentin.

Norman was an active journalist when Ted was a child.

Norman and Ted became friends.

This literally contradicts the character of Quentin, whos a young man, prob even younger than Ted, comes to Raven Brooks only after act 2 and is Ted's enemy

[ripe berry]

you see
the theory involves the idea of timeloops, where Quentin ends up affected, making him exist 30+ years in the past, so he takes on a new identity, that being Norman Darby

explaining how Norman can Predict the Future in Book 6

[muted moon]

How would Quentin know about the narf nickname though

I don't think they are the same person

[strange lance]

When you are stuck in a time loop forevee you eventually will learn everything you can

Also hes still a journalist those peoples jobs are literally about finding stuff out

And again, hes described exactly like Quentin except shorter

In case you forgor

[snow mauve]

Curl..

CULT

[shell gull]

Quite literally have the same features, and also makes sense to what Old HN2 Plot was supposed to be.

[unkempt sleet]

I'm happy thats no longer the case tbh

[calm sentinel]

Maybe it’s a good thing that the books are no longer canon if that’s what was going to happen.

[safe charm]

I just hope they kept a lot from like at least book 1 canon

Which they might since theres references in hn2

[muted moon]

Mith fits this description as well, what if Mith was Quentin from a previous time loop?

In fact, Norman sounds a lot like a mix between them

[ripe berry]

oh dear goodness this is expanding beyond control

Quentin - MitH - MJ (Prototype Version)/Beta Intro Player Character - Norman Darby

[muted moon]

Mj is probably last

He looks completely different

And is bald

[ripe berry]

I'm talking the Prototype version of him that's likely the character in the Beta Intro

and Idk about the MitH/Norman order

[muted moon]

Mith is first, he investigated everything

Norman is second, after his plan failed he began investigating again, mj

Mj and Norman are definitely on the same loop

[ripe berry]

if time loops are brought into Modern Lore and this whole thing continues it allows MJ to be MitH and not be MitH at the same time

which solves the main thing that annoys me about the new lore
I'd like to assume the Ytber Package is made by a real Investigative Journalist in the Lore, but there's no-one it can be

[muted moon]

Anyway, gtg

Bye

[ripe berry]

can't be Quentin as we don't see him make the Package in HN2 plus the Recording of Ted has to be from before HN2 Intro
and can't be MJ because his newspaper is there

[ripe berry]

cya!

[strange lance]

No it doesn't at all?

Mith does not a baseball cap, he doesn't have hair lmao, and doesn't have knobby fingers. This is just cope at this point lol

Or you were making a joke

He also does not wear a windbreaker jacket

These are all things that are aspects of quentin I do not see the confusion here

Its as in your face as it gets

[tribal talon]

have i missed something who is mith

also quentin bandaged up his hat after getting hit by the shovel touched it and it hurt how does that work

[snow mauve]

Want to get hit by the shovel and see?

Cuz ooh lord Quentin knows how it feels

[ripe berry]

the guy in Hello Guest's Ending is named "Man in the Hat" by the files, which most shorten to MitH

[snow mauve]

And also exists in hn2

Well before the hotfix was added to remove him

[finite idol]

the neighbor is the mimi c from fnaf

that is my theory dont streal

[tribal talon]

So in HN2, at key points of the game, Quentin passes out, like when picking up the shovel

How does he just

Magically re-appear in his bed

???

[ripe berry]

the Guest (Bird Man from the Intro) likely drags him back to his bed every night

[muted moon]

I agree Norman is Quentin, what I was saying was that mith shares some similarities with Norman, making me think he might also be Quentin (big glasses, long nose)

Probably a few more

Also sn implies mith is a journalist

[strange lance]

ah I just read your message wrong, my bad.

I personally think that Mith is Norman watching Quentin go through the events of hn2 (the original hn2 of course) to assure the loop isn't broken.

Because if the loops IS broken, Quentin won't turn into Norman, who saves Aaron and Mya from the cult among other things

Without Norman existing a lot of events can't happen correctly

Even though he has to watch himself go through the loop over and over, as well as knowing things like Mya dying, he has to let them happen

[muted moon]

Wouldn't mith be Quentin learning the loop though

Like learning everything that happens

[strange lance]

wdym

Well Norman already knows he's been looped. He already experienced the events of hn2 before they happen, and exists alongside Quentin before he turns into Norman

So he already knows

Like how he already knew about Nicky and told Aaron Nickys nickname despite Nicky not having moved in yet

cause he found out in hn2

when he was a investigator

I'll draw it out that should help visualize it better

[muted moon]

How could Quentin know that, only Nickys dad used that nickname, unless someone was stalking Nicky (mith)

[strange lance]

Because Quentin was a investigator during hn2 and would've most likely talked to Nickys parents instead of just jumping on his house like in hn2 full game

[muted moon]

In beta he arrived in raven brooks

[manic dirge]

Quentin jumping on Nicky's house is just for gameplay purpose.

[strange lance]

he does it to get to the treehouse

[manic dirge]

Yes

But he probably talked to Nicky's parent's and they said yes that he could look in the treehouse. Or he just went in the treehouse if they said no

[muted moon]

Fg doesn't really apply here

Since it has a different story

[strange lance]

I was just making a joke about the roof thing

The poor cycle that Quentin is forever stuck in

lol

[silver vine]

Norman name drops Roth in the books

So, he prob knew Jay and learnt the name narf from him

[muted moon]

scrapped alpha intro implies that quentin might of been sent to guest world, THEN looped back

[strange lance]

you mean like, hn2 alpha 1?

[muted moon]

yeah

[strange lance]

He could've been sent somewhere before being looped idk. We have no idea what happens when the guest does his light from beak trick

[muted moon]

also it was in the neighbor area map, so it probably was older beta story, also it seems to have had the barn and the dummy

[snow mauve]

no more hello neighbor for the both of you

[muted moon]

also, bright light seemed like it would of transferred you between guestworld and raven brooks (fake neighbor ending and bpw_fadeandload)

[muted moon]

hi depkis

[snow mauve]

hi

yall theories are wrongggg

👉👈

[muted moon]

(im using stuff unused in the files)

[snow mauve]

nawwwww

[manic dirge]

Yeah sorry. I’ve always found jokes in text to be weird sometimes.

Idk why

[tribal talon]

he was inn a cart

[silver vine]

In old HN2 Quentin travels to guest world tho, how does that fit in

[snow mauve]

You mean grave

[strange lance]

Guys when I say old hn2 I'm not talking about like the hn2 alpha 1 stuff I'm talking about the early beta/alpha 2 era when the story was connected to the books

[snow mauve]

Yawn

[unkempt sleet]

The Quentin loop ending...

the bad one

[silver vine]

I think they confirmed it that guest world existed in Alpha 2 days

[tribal talon]

Oh alr, fair enough

[muted moon]

The draft intro took place in neighbor area, and one of the parts was about taking a photo of a dummy, and then waking up.

The beta intro is definitely a newer version of the pipe to other one

[ripe berry]

just instead of a alternate dimension they chose the more grounded (and less spoiler-y) thing to show of Mya's Grave

[shut hill]

Finch joins the club right after the clip I’m calling it

Locked in

The rescue squad is gonna see Finch and stuff trust

[snow mauve]

Or maybe she just keep on recording Nicky (bully act or whatever) during school

And then eventually join the squad

[snow mauve]

Cuz of this

[ripe berry]

they look devious

[snow mauve]

Especially that girl on the bottom right

Devious ahh expression

[shell gull]

So it seems Nicky is really pissed at R.S. And also we got to see Nicky’s Parents, seems R.S. Think Ted is the answer to what The Guest is doing, they wanted Nicky to help but obviously Nicky doesn’t want to go back to that.

[ripe berry]

not only do we see Nicky's Parents

We see Book-Accurate Nicky's Parents

[ripe berry]

also can't forget
The Coins are FROM the GAAP!

[shut hill]

We got new bg characters to name

[snow mauve]

Idk what the hell froleas is talking about but they got Jay's headshape right

[shut hill]

Dan and Jillian

[ripe berry]

nice

[ripe berry]

don't forget the entire Street is shown (without faces)!

[shut hill]

Oh yea

On the second pic to the very right looks like a Mike

About in his 50s

To the left of Mike I would say that’s a Lily

[ripe berry]

and then there's
all I'll say is the middle one feels kinda like they're named Chole

[wicked heath]

RS? Raven Society or…?

[wicked heath]

Dont remind me of Diaries Luanne

I was very pleased to see Jay and her in their original design

[ripe berry]

two more people

[ripe berry]

Rescue Squad

[wicked heath]

Ah alright

Why didnt i think of that

[ripe berry]

reminds you of Diaries Luanne

[wicked heath]

Nooo!!!!

[snow mauve]

OOGA

BOOGA

[ripe berry]

me when Inaccuracies

don't forget Pilot Jay Roth is fat

(Not gonna sugercoat it)

[blissful fox]

Man that clip sure was something. That is a good representation of Nickys PTSD

[manic dirge]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Rescue Squad

[silver vine]

Hi

[ripe berry]

Hello
I personally think Otto WAS a cultist but isn't anymore as he has a Golden Crow Statue in his house that has some coins around it
it's not like the eye paintings where they exist in every house
the Golden Crow Statues don't exist in Ted's House

it's a clear sign of being in the Cult then
but I think at some point Otto does leave the cult, the Statue just means he had to be a cultist (responding to the messages you sent at (for me) 12 AM)

and new lore doesn't have a confirmed Guest World, but when that was a key part of the ideas you had for HN2 it's probably gonna get carried over

hence "if they go through..."

there's not a confirmed existence of one, but due to what we know about the idea/concept for HN2 it makes sense to include it

[spark tulip]

my honest reaction:

better photo for you

another one

[cold gull]

noway

[ripe berry]

oh shoot

never noticed

[pine wharf]

Hi

[wicked heath]

Why hasnt anyone talked about this before

[shell gull]

Yeah but Ted would obviously would have stuff like this, he hates The Cult so he needs relics, Otto on the other hand has no grudge on The Cult from what we know, also I don’t know why we’re still arguing about Otto being a Cultist or not it’s so obvious.

[snow mauve]

I still believe he is still part of the cult

[shell gull]

Obviously, Ted beat the shit out of him, and he’s obviously a Cultist during HN2.

[winter mason]

Lmao imagine nicky going into his treehouse at that point “…DAAD THERE’S A MIDDLE AGED MAN IN MY TREEHOUSE…”

[snow mauve]

ye

[shell gull]

“Otto isn’t a Cultist!!!”

…right the old man who conveniently has a Cult stolen Museum key that The Cult agreed to hide and make elaborate puzzles to make sure no one can get into the different rooms of the Museum is buried in his backyard in a safe with the code to the safe being laid around his house, and also conveniently started acting strange and out of place after his friend got murdered by The Cult and also got beaten by Peterson for no reason other then to take one of his taxidermy birds, along with him having a picture of himself amongst other Cultist in the Museum placed by Ted when he was using it as a hideout, definitely NOT a Cultist 🙌.

[ripe berry]

I personally go with the neutral route of "Otto was a Cultist, but isn't anymore"

[snow mauve]

I kinda don't like it

But if that's really the case then cool ig

[ripe berry]

I can't deny Otto being a cultist at one point

but the RBBArchives has Otto protrayed in a way that makes me think at the very least he isn't fully aware of everything going on with the Cult

if he were a proper cultist, he'd probably be informed to ignore the cameras in the Gnomes

this one paper is the ONLY THING making me think Otto isn't a cultist anymore

sure he also seems to hate crows but that in-itself can't really be used as evidence

and this paper is too vague for us to confirmably say it's Otto who's the source

[ripe berry]

so this is all that remains as "Otto leaves the Cult" evidence

[ripe berry]

doesn't help this paper has a vague as hell timeline placement

it can occur pretty much anywhere between ~1937 (likely the year Museum was built, although during this year it was just a normal Manor) and 1996

the only clue to this paper's placement is

YOU.

[muted moon]

where is this from

[ripe berry]

https://www.helloneighbor2.com/rbbarchives
Password is HATCHERYWINGATE all caps no spaces

[muted moon]

they updated it??

[ripe berry]

it's always been there pal

it's one of the side newspapers

[muted moon]

OH

[ripe berry]

there's also a few newspapers from the YTber Package not in the RBBArchives

I think I have the original YT Package Newspapers saved somewhere

[muted moon]

this one is literally the same position as the guest is coming teaser

[ripe berry]

every newspaper in the YTber Package also has a code attached

this one's was TRUSTNOONE

ITWASNOCOINCIDENCE

WHATARETHEYHIDINGHERE

I don't have Search Continues' YTber Package saved but it's code was "ITSTHEIRFAULT"

and then HEGOTTOOCLOSETOTHEM is the final one

(I grabbed these all from some YT vid btw)

[ripe berry]

weird

[ripe berry]

still wonder what this means

is it saying it was No Coincidence this was the group that went missing?
or is it no coincidence the storm caused them to go missing?

[ripe berry]

I know most of these newspapers are the exact same or shortened versions of ones in RBBArchives
but the codes and differences are noteworthy

they're part of the reason we think MJ is dead and the Tape Recorder after all

[cold gull]

The missing case of the three kids is an outdated article talking about the events of the "petersons stick together" teaser? Or are they both different events?

Like, the article talks about gerda, but is like, the AS retconned the actual events or something

[muted moon]

different events

[muted moon]

after petersons stick together the guest most likely comes back and hunts gerda and the others down

[analog moth]

What ever happened to mr petersons house? Will it ever be explained?

And are the forest protectors involved?

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2 ruined town

[muted moon]

look at the patch 10 teasers

[snow mauve]

That (cultists) or maybe weather

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2 will be the answerrr for you

[spark tulip]

man, i love RBBA...

[winter mason]

Definitely not weather, otherwise the other houses would’ve experienced similar damage

[ripe berry]

we believe it's different events at the moment

but it's possible they're the same event

[plucky fox]

I hope they make crowman shelter more difficult to escape

like make a few exits not more

so it's harder to escape once you go in, = higher chances of getting caught

hn2 rn feels more like a risk taking game, you can always leave when you want to

but the risk should be going in in the first place

[plucky fox]

man I love hn2 logic

warming himself up on the nonexistant fire

[safe charm]

I hope it has lore

And secrets

[plucky fox]

I just hope it has good gameplay and is good for some peak hn gameplay I dont need lore

aslong as it's fun to play on

[safe charm]

Well i dont like how cryptic guest lore

Is at the moment

You cant understand any of it

[plucky fox]

Well gameplay is permanent, once you know the lore those "secret rooms" or whatever are just gonna be useless filler

I hope it doesnt have "secret rooms" maybe just like lore in the normal rooms

Maybe a room with a metal door that can be latched like announcement trailer...

[safe charm]

Well lets talk in main chat instead

[plucky fox]

bring back guest saw

[safe charm]

About it

[plucky fox]

I didnt even notice we were in lroe discussion

[shut hill]

Just realized something abt the new clip

When Maritza says “Yea like why nothing happens to you, when it did to all of us?” This is not talking about episode 6, since she says “What did Peterson do to him?” And it’s clear something happens to him there. Plus in ep 6, nothing much happens to them besides a broken leg and some cuts and bruises. And she does refer to “All of us” including Delroy. Which makes sense because of that teaser where Delroy is looking at the sky to a bunch of crows

Season 2 (at least for the first few eps) is like the movie IT

Billy, who is likely Trinity in this case is the one telling them all about “crow face” is going to (likely) be called a liar from the rest of the gang

Like in the movie, no one believes anything Billy says except for once they all have their own moments with pennywise (who would be the Guest)

So everyone from the rescue squad is going to all have “spooky moments” with the Guest on their own

I mean people already probably realized this but it was just fun thinking about

[safe charm]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Trinity just got it first (Episode 6 ending)

then the other characters

[shut hill]

Yea

So Trinity at the end of ep 6

Ivan in the school (with Guest) (and witnessing something scary)

Enzo w the Guest (most likely) (unknown location)

Delroy w the birds (and probably more to it) (unknown location)

Nicky (unknown - basement most likely)

Maritza - unknown

Finch - unknown - (if it even happens)

[safe charm]

I hope Alex being more active is a sign that season 2 isnt far away

[shut hill]

Hi

Nothing happened 🙂

[ripe berry]

did something happen?

[shell gull]

It’s different.

The Halloween Kids Case involves Two of the kids being killed, one survives.

[frigid pumice]

[shell gull]

The Cult.

[frigid pumice]

[shell gull]

Well in Old Lore it just got retconned, though in New Lore it’s because the Ruined Town in HN2, basically a Storm happened.

[frigid pumice]

[shell gull]

They didn’t, it’s just in the RBB Archives (A secret website showcasing a bunch of hidden Lore).

[frigid pumice]

[ripe berry]

It's like Beatrix
it's a heavily implied death but since they don't outright say it/show the body we can't be certain

[shell gull]

I mean Lore Wise makes sense since as soon as The Guest pops up into Town he’s super active and just everyone has their own story to tell of him, making him the Local Urban Legend.

[ripe berry]

but yeah they're most likely dead

[shell gull]

Mhm, though we do kinda see the Halloween Kid costumes on display in the Museum, at least one of them now but the other was there Pre-Patch 9.

[ripe berry]

but they changed it to be smaller in Patch 9

it's clearly a remake of a Costume from the Incident

[shell gull]

Which Ik a lot of people say they just got donated, I think it makes more sense that The Cult just hanged them up once they took over the place.

[shell gull]

True.

“Ah yes a replica of the Costume that a child was found dead in… perfect for display”

[ripe berry]

and if this was true, why not also have Guest Kid's Costume there

[shell gull]

Exactly.

[ripe berry]

again it's smaller
plus it's a historical event

and by smaller I mean impossibly small for a human to wear

[shell gull]

Though we have to consider a lot of things we’re taken out from Investors, Messed around with by The Cult and Ted.

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

unless you're telling me they went missing as literal infants

[shell gull]

I mean Gerda was like 7-12.

[ripe berry]

also: crackpot theory
Guest Kid's Costume is never put on display or remade so this means Guest Kid's either still alive or was never found

[shell gull]

3/4 of the stuff in The Museum is either boxed up for shipping or missing.

[shell gull]

You know this could work.

Except for the fact it’s admittedly hinted only Gerda survived.

[shut hill]

It would be cool to see the Halloween incident on AS

[ripe berry]

reminder the Newspaper we have is dated like 1 day after the incident

[shut hill]

Like alien Gerda and crow kid

[shell gull]

With this it’s safe to say majority of The Museum is different.

[ripe berry]

the other missing kids are nowhere to be found after only a Day

[shell gull]

True.

[shut hill]

I really wanna see that in AS that would be so cool

[ripe berry]

they've had ~40 years to find them after this

[frigid pumice]

[ripe berry]

I'd say only the rooms that we unlock on Nights 3, 4, and the Bossfight are untampered with

by the Cult/Investors I mean

[shell gull]

You know Gerda makes less sense as a Cultist then Otto, except for when you take in AS, which still doesn’t make sense, because AS is saying HN2 Neighbors became Cultist after the Peterson Brother incident because of what they saw, but in HN2 it admittedly makes you think The Mayor was around during Newsoms times, Gerda became a Cultists by force and ETC.

[shell gull]

Well, it definitely was, since those were the big rooms they were trying to hide stuff in, and also we know Ted pretty much turned the entire place into his Puzzle House.

[ripe berry]

or well any locked room in the Museum other then the Main Lobby

and the Garage

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

since they all have at least one object linking to the Cult

[ripe berry]

or, as Mr. Apple has theorized somewhere in this chat, a previous society that lived in the RB Area that the Modern Forest Protectors are based off of

[frigid pumice]

[ripe berry]

#lore-discussion message

[shell gull]

Because everyone other than Ted is a Cultist in HN2, she has G.A.C. Laying around, and was hiding a Cult Stolen Key in her register which was handed to her by a Cultists.

[frigid pumice]

[ripe berry]

which also explains the Statue under the Ground by the Banner

and again, they only change details from the books if it helps the AS's Story, and we're pretty certain HN2's Lore was changed last second, so details from Books like the idea of the Ancient Forest Protectors can still apply

[shut hill]

the dharma initiative...

/hj

[shell gull]

Is that the ancient Cult Theory?

It wouldn’t let me click on the link

[ripe berry]

lemme just give image versions

(Image 2 is extra book evidence he mentioned shortly after sending the theory)

[shell gull]

Yup, this was quite something we’ve talked about, we’ve known The Cult is ancient since the whole “Ancient Curse” thing, The Cult has obviously been continuing and only now in these events it seems they’ve been tampering with stuff like The Guest, which I still think they’ve done in the past but we’re unsuccessful.

[shell gull]

A book quote doesn’t work well in these cases though, Two different canon, but still we can’t forget New Lore is basically just a Reboot.

[ripe berry]

we ALSO can't forget HN2's lore was changed last second

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

so it could still have Book Remnants

and this is something that has evidence in the game (like again that Statue by the Banner), the book qoutes are just supporting evidence

[shell gull]

Yeah, makes sense, but I wouldn’t say last second since they quite just switched the Lore and used the Old Plan for the Beta to keep away from Spoilers, but it definitely was rushed, so there are remnants, which we see since half of the stuff in HN2 are off.

[shell gull]

Yeah it definitely does support it well.

[ripe berry]

Book Evidence just shows this idea has existed since around the time of the conception of the Forest Protectors for the Lore

[shell gull]

Mhm.

[ripe berry]

and again
outside of the Retcons AS has made they have shown care for the Books

they kept character names
they put book images in Ted's House
they kept Jay and Luanne Roth Book Accurate

the final thing is funny since the thing that's actually following Book Lore (HND) didn't have a Book-Accurate Luanne Design

[strange lance]

HND also added a "memory" of Aaron and Nicky playing with a racecar outside that was never in the books

[ripe berry]

yeah
funny how HND, despite literally being book canon, can't even bother to not add new scenes to the Book

[strange lance]

still, rip to the other 2 seasons and guest ending

it would've been cool to see

[ripe berry]

when we know they had to actually read the books to copy what characters say in the Book

honestly I wonder how many extra memory scenes that don't exist they'd add to the other books

[strange lance]

we'll never know 👻

[ripe berry]

if they were allowed to continue existing and working on HNd

[strange lance]

unless another company picks up the game but I kinda doubt that

[ripe berry]

knowing Alex they probably won't continue HND unless they find a way to force it into the AS Canon

[ripe berry]

how much you wanna bet the Archives Book in the Library has something about the Early days of the Cult

[silver vine]

The Mayor around Newsoms time was different Mayor for sure

Cuz HN2 Mayor was a child during the time Gerda went missing

[ripe berry]

💀

[ripe berry]

yeah

[snow mauve]

The hello lore hurts

[ripe berry]

RBBArchives is a bit weird

[snow mauve]

Very weird

Y'know it would be nice if gerda wasn't the alien kid

Cuz man that shit is weird

But they just somehow make it a thing now

[winter mason]

Bro was straight to the point 😭😭🙏🙏🔥

[crude dew]

I'd say, 100-150 years old stuff

I forgot that Gerda went missing too, everyone just goes missing in this town

[tribal talon]

Is Gerda a forest protector?

[muted moon]

yeah

[tribal talon]

Sure? 100%

[silver vine]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

What about Otto?

[snow mauve]

Yes it's been shown in hn2

If you noticed some golden apple coins

And some golden crow statues around her place

[spark tulip]

we don't know much about Otto, but it seems likely that he's an ex-FP

[snow mauve]

Or he's still a cultist

Which i believe

😇

[silver vine]

Maybe he left the cult after MJs death

[woeful orchid]

who is.. MJ?

[snow mauve]

Missing Journalist

[woeful orchid]

ah

I thought its his wife for a second 💀

[snow mauve]

The hell

[woeful orchid]

Like Mrs J

[winter mason]

For some reason for a second I thought of spiderman MJ

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

[daring sandal]

Why in the bad ending of HG prototype the guest destroyed the mayak? Why did he do that?

[snow mauve]

Evil duhhh

Mayak deserves to be gone

[daring sandal]

Duuuuh

[snow mauve]

Forevahhh

Duhhhhhh

[daring sandal]

But why does mayak deserves to be gone?

[snow mauve]

Because it's god damn shitty

It's a fricken weather station

And it's dangerous..

Duhhhhh

No more controllable weather

[daring sandal]

Mh...

[snow mauve]

Shhhhhhh

[hazy slate]

@ripe berry When should we release the insanity we've cooked up in DMs?

[cold gull]

Release

I'm starving of lore

[hazy slate]

not quite yet

it's still a bit crackpot

[manic dirge]

The definition of this chat

[hazy slate]

yeah, but it's a big theory and we want it to be as presentable as possible

[manic dirge]

Yeah true

[hazy slate]

though, here's a little spoiler, it's mostly about Quentin

and...

that should say why we need to make it presentable

[manic dirge]

Peak

[hazy slate]

we're going deep into uncharted territory here

[manic dirge]

Interesting

[shell gull]

Yeah…but the Keys weren’t stolen till after his death from from what we know iirc.

[silver vine]

No

The RBB article which MJ wrote says that the keys had already been stolen

And that he says he knew from anonymous source

Which I think is Otto, who also revealed in another article that the gnomes have cameras in them

[muted moon]

otto probably is being forced to be in cult

[silver vine]

Maybe

[muted moon]

hes definitely still a member, but he also seems to dislike the cult

[ripe berry]

yeah

[winter mason]

Your pfp makes ivan look like the guy who stole the chipmunks

[shell gull]

Ah fair, but no Otto definitely wasn’t the person, he’s hid one of the Keys in his backyard that’s enough evidence he’s a Cultist, Otto was pointing out the Gnomes because he never knew about them, that’s just the Mayors thing, he’s spying on his regard.

Makes sense Otto would have some sort of grudge either way if his friend had to be murdered by his own belief system.

[silver vine]

What if he hid the key so that cult doesn't get them?

Similar to how Roger and Adelle buried pieces of the luck device so that cult doesn't get them

[snow mauve]

Nahhhh

Obviously for protection

From a man named quing tons or dee odors

Like what the other cultists are doing

[ripe berry]

but the gnomes are used to unlock the Catacombs under the Fountain

it's a every cult member thing

unless you're telling me that entrance is meant ONLY for the Mayor to go down

[safe charm]

Hn lore driving you insane

Day by day

[snow mauve]

Boy you too

[shell gull]

I mean, the Mayor made the gnomes for his spy work, he obviously wanted to hide the stuff so he used his own tech to do so.

[stiff spire]

creepy mayor

[crude dew]

I always read MJ as Michael Jackson, so I named him MiJo

[muted moon]

my weird interpretation of hn2a1.5:
guest kid represents aaron, pumpkin kid represents nicky, alien kid represents mya
intro shows quentins intepretation of what he knows happened to them, they all get locked up
he finds that pumpkin kid/nicky is gone (escaped), alien kid/mya is too (dead), but guest kid/aaron is still there
he breaks in and tries to rescue aaron/guest kid, but finds he isnt there (probably dead)
instead he learns of the guest, and his relation to the neighbor, the neighbor being trapped in his body
wakes up back at banner, time loop

[winter mason]

Same 💀

[safe vine]

I have this one theory on the guest. So since the guest is a demon, that might be why he can't enter the church, without glitching the game at least. He might not be able to enter sacred areas.

Unless him not being able to go in is a glitch.

[safe charm]

He can enter at times

Its a bug

[snow mauve]

He ain't a demon brah

[safe vine]

I heard somewhere he was

[snow mauve]

Misinformation

[safe vine]

Womp womp

Nevermind

[snow mauve]

He is yo urban ancient creature

He is 4k trey!

[silver vine]

You prob heard from @shell gull since he was the only one pushing that theory HARD.

[shell gull]

Hm? That was back when it was the only good theory that made sense.

[silver vine]

No

Not really

[outer tide]

so who is the guest?

[muted moon]

neighbors brother

[spark tulip]

nobody knows yet

[outer tide]

wait, forest protectors pretty much look like him

[muted moon]

well, its heavily implied to be the neighbors brother

[spark tulip]

yeah, the cult likely worships Guest

[silver vine]

But it's not actually him

Either Guest is possessing Frank or Franks death allowed the guest to come to the world

[outer tide]

what if guest is the demon and leader of forest protectors and they worship him?

[muted moon]

no

guest seems to dislike them

based on layout v2

[silver vine]

He's not a demon bruh 😭

[outer tide]

WHO IS HE THEN

[muted moon]

hes something else

[silver vine]

But he uses them to his advantage

[muted moon]

yeah

[silver vine]

He manipulates them

And most likely manipulates Theo as well

[unkempt sleet]

Guest is a manipulative calculating but also aggressive evil crow creature

he will use you for his own purposes without you even realizing it

He loves to manipulate people, also probably has abilities to possess people, turn into a crow or possibly shapeshift

The Cult sees him as a god but Guest doesnt care about them, he would use them for what he wants but if they do something he doesnt like (like capturing Quentin) he will defy what they think and still do what he wants

We dont know his purpose but he's definitely up to no good

We dont know where he came from or what exactly he is, But we know he is definitely connected to the Golden Apple Amusement Park as his design is used as a mascot for the park, and the golden apple coins he uses came from the park

[vestal goblet]

what if the guest is aaron

[unkempt sleet]

Guest is not Aaron
Aaron is one of the many victims of Guest's manipulation

[vestal goblet]

ok

[safe charm]

I Think guest took the statue form and uses the gaap coins as his symbol of bad luck

I Think Thats how hes connected to gaap

[vestal goblet]

has nicky been manipulated by the guest

[safe charm]

No

Just maybe traumatized by him we dont know

[unkempt sleet]

in the Animated Series, Guest is the reason why Nicky went mad, but i dont think it was a manipulation

Maybe Guest just tortured his mind for just fun idk

[spark tulip]

he also manipulated Nicky into opening the door

[safe charm]

Maybe but problaby not

We Will see

[unkempt sleet]

HNVR

[silver vine]

Reset day was supposed to be the final book

The book series is finished

[ripe berry]

a related fun fact: Reset Day in itself is a timeloop
The Beginning of the Book (the Cover) is the End of the Book

[ripe berry]

(Author confirmed they aren't working on HN Books anymore iirc)

[unkempt sleet]

Carly said she would love to work on an another HN book if Tinybuild asked her to, So it's up to Tinybuild

[ripe berry]

so basically it's
"Does tinyBuild want to continue the Book Series"
which at the moment is a no it seems

[unkempt sleet]

yea

i guess its also up to Scholastic aswell

[ripe berry]

yeah

random question:
are the HN1 Alphas canon to the AS

[unkempt sleet]

We can maybe do like a petition for a book 8 for Tinybuild to see or something idk

[unkempt sleet]

Probably not

[ripe berry]

there's been several Pre-Alpha/Alpha 1 references, so I feel this is a actual question worth asking

[unkempt sleet]

i say we shouldnt take any of alphas or betas as canon because that would create a lot of problems with many things

[ripe berry]

I know the HN1 Betas aren't canon

that story blatantly contradicts things

but I don't really see much problems with the HN1 Pre-Alpha being canon

[unkempt sleet]

Where do you fit that in the timeline then

[ripe berry]

oh, there's the problem (because there's always a problem...), trying to locate where it'd go on a timeline

[safe charm]

I heard a theory

A crackpot theory about franklin and Neighbor

Wanna hear lol

[ripe berry]

sure

why not

[safe charm]

Its that Franklin become one with Ted

[ripe berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V2KDtPQfUk

[ripe berry]

the one in the Green Vest that looks like Ted's in this teaser

yep

we only know the name because the Actor posted it on Twitter

based off it's lore, I doubt it's the Shadow Man

[unkempt sleet]

Shadow Man is a representation of Trauma and Fear

[ripe berry]

Shadow Man (actually named the Thing) is a manifestation of one's Fears and Trauma

[unkempt sleet]

Franklin is not Shadow man

Shadow man is still the same though

[ripe berry]

Shadow Man seems to have the same lore in the AS

[unkempt sleet]

He appears when Nicky's trauma gets triggered

in one of the teaser images

Yea, and the other one where he appears

[ripe berry]

the more likely idea people have is Franklin, in some way shape or form, becomes the Raven Man/the Guest

[ripe berry]

the exacts aren't agreed upon by everyone, but most common interpetation has the Guest be a ancient curse of some sort using Franklin's Body as a "host" to manifest in reality

[crude dew]

I don't think this demon thing was a thing when the original creator was in charge for the story.
I'm afraid that soon we'll reach the fnaf level, you can explain anything to the story, and it'll make sense 😦

[ripe berry]

I swear in Yellow/Orange Tape I hear a kid screaming "NO!"
Can anyone else hear it or am I going insane?

[safe charm]

I can

[unkempt sleet]

hi i have been called

by guestyyy

whats goin on

[safe charm]

The extended orange tape

We figured out what the sounds under the church

Problaby is

Its cult rituals

[unkempt sleet]

At the start?

[ripe berry]

yeah, like 3-6 seconds in I'd say

[unkempt sleet]

i hear Trinity's "Run!" from SN

[safe charm]

Oh weird

[ripe berry]

weird... wait Imma compare rq

[safe charm]

This is the old tapes btw

Listen incase theres any hints we can find that connects to anything actually in the game

[unkempt sleet]

i definitely hear that, not sure if thats actually what it is but thats what i hear

[safe charm]

BRO this is in the church

Underground

You hear the church Bell

[ripe berry]

yeah I will say it sounds similar

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

but then why is she even in this tape with the Cult Chanting in the background?

[safe charm]

I doubt

Its actually her

Its problaby just reused

[unkempt sleet]

Book 6...

ooor just a reused sound effect for the background without an actual meaning

[ripe berry]

You know as well as I do HN2 is AS Timeline

[safe charm]

This is intresting too

[safe charm]

Doesnt mean nothing from the Books is in the AS timeline

Tbf

[spark tulip]

i loooooove wet Guest sounds

[ripe berry]

but they were saying it's a book 6 reference (at least that's how I took it)

[unkempt sleet]

i mean Trinity being near while Cult doing a ritual reminded me of book 6

[ripe berry]

in AS Season 2 as far as we know Trinity doesn't encounter any cult rituals

[safe charm]

Lets talk

About the tapes instead

[ripe berry]

ok that makes sense

[safe charm]

Not book 6 or continuity

[ripe berry]

but wait
if it's a reused audio clip, then this would likely be MJ after Purple Tape if I had to guess

[safe charm]

I wonder what their doing to the guest in the ritual tapes

Something defenitly happens

To him

[ripe berry]

so it's White -> Package Recording -> Red -> Green(?) -> Purple -> Yellow/Orange -> Blue

[spark tulip]

church ritual..

[ripe berry]

(I believe at least most of the recordings are from the same person)

[safe charm]

Yeah its defenitly not the museum

[ripe berry]

THEYCROW I'm not sure about

[unkempt sleet]

They Know

[safe charm]

Patch 9 hints at there being rituals going on

In the basement

[unkempt sleet]

They knew about MJ

Being onto them

[ripe berry]

it doesn't fit with MJ's Timeline

the dialogue in the tape is
"They Crow"
"We Know"

[spark tulip]

we know

[ripe berry]

it's someone telling someone else about the Cult

[safe charm]

Green tape is really the odd one its the only tape with no lore

[unkempt sleet]

?

[safe charm]

Besides guest sounds

[ripe berry]

but MJ goes missing at the Church, and thus wouldn't be able to tell anyone about what he finds

[unkempt sleet]

i think they know means just that the cult knows about something idk

[ripe berry]

again the lines are
"They crow"
"We know"

[spark tulip]

mmmm, cult

[snow mauve]

LORE

Mastersss

[unkempt sleet]

Doesnt really makes sense it to be a conversation though, does it

[ripe berry]

yeah but it makes more sense then saying this is saying the Cult just knows something

[safe charm]

Im so sad these arent in the game

[tribal talon]

Hey there, Can I ask something?

[spark tulip]

it is, though?

[safe charm]

Like they have more lore

[safe charm]

No

[spark tulip]

that one plays

[unkempt sleet]

Sure

[safe charm]

Ohh

[tribal talon]

What is the HN Prototype Lore?

[ripe berry]

because if it is that it'd be
"THEY CROW"
"THEY KNOW"
not
"THEY CROW"
"WE KNOW"

[ripe berry]

Player Character is in a Coma in the HN1 Prototype/Pre-Alpha/Alpha 1

[safe charm]

Nothing

[spark tulip]

this one is so weird

[tribal talon]

Ok

[safe charm]

This one is unused

Right?

[ripe berry]

this is shown by the Teaser Trailer showing their Car hitting a Telephone Pole

[spark tulip]

yeah

[ripe berry]

it's implied our character has done some... not great things in the past... in Alpha 1

Basement is either Heaven or waking up from the Coma

[safe charm]

Could you check

Just incase

[spark tulip]

i already checked earlier

that tape is in the game

[safe charm]

Oh

Is it cult sounds in it?

[ripe berry]

HN1 Prototype/Alpha 1 ends with the Neighbor (likely some stand-in for a Demon/The Devil) sending us to hell (burying us in the Grave)

[spark tulip]

the ones that aren't in the game don't have the " -2 " thing

[safe charm]

Wrong theres an unused version

Of purple tape

That had that

[ripe berry]

weird I thought those were the unused ones

[safe charm]

Most of them are except a few

[spark tulip]

oh, well, most of them

[tribal talon]

Does the Pre-Alpha takes place in April 18th?

[safe charm]

What is the sound towards the end

[spark tulip]

i have no clue

probably a sped up clip of cult chanting

[safe charm]

Yeah

[spark tulip]

right, yeah
this one isn't unused

[ripe berry]

what is the 5-2 version of this?

[safe charm]

It is

[spark tulip]

this is the only 5-2

[safe charm]

Both are used

[spark tulip]

that's what i said

[safe charm]

Oh okay

[ripe berry]

weird...

[spark tulip]

yeah, i really don't know what the deal is behind these naming schemes

[silver vine]

No

[unkempt sleet]

Yea the naming of the tape files are really weird

[silver vine]

HNAS ties all games together

Except for HND

[ripe berry]

are we really sure of that?

[silver vine]

Yes

[ripe berry]

we only have one line from a Nicky that can hardly think straight that implies that

[spark tulip]

these are the unused variants of cassette five

[ripe berry]

he could just be flashing back to meeting Aaron for the first time

just like how he suddenly remembers something and changes his mind about opening the Door a few scenes later

[safe charm]

We arent

[ripe berry]

plus HND's Description reads... hold on, lemme get it rq...

[spark tulip]

the only reversed variant that is actually just in reverse

[unkempt sleet]

Aand Aaron's backpack in Nicky's Treehouse

[silver vine]

It reads "Peterson is KILLER"

[ripe berry]

"What terrible secret is your sinister Neighbor hiding? There are rumors that he’s a ruthless killer. Sneak into his home and conduct your own investigation to see for yourself. This maniac’s ever-changing and growing house will be a real challenge to overcome!
Can you uncover the scariest secret in town and find out what happened to your neighbor Mr. Peterson’s missing son?"

[unkempt sleet]

killer

[ripe berry]

there ARE rumors he's a ruthless killer in AS from Nicky himself

[ripe berry]

gotta love it

(that's Red Tape right?)

[spark tulip]

wasn't red tape Mr. Peterson talking?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[safe charm]

Still dont know what that tape was about

Fully

[ripe berry]

yeah but I dunno what tape is 6 in the files

so I'm just guessing

[shell gull]

Well I mean in AS not the case from what we know, currently all we have on New Lore Guest is he uses G.A.C. To keep people at bay, seen as a god from The Cult so used that for his own advantage, some other stuff too if I recall, possibly summoned and if he was then in The Church, created Robot Mannequins trying to replace Ted.

[ripe berry]

what was the point in replying to that?

[spark tulip]

you can just say coins and not G.A.C

[safe charm]

Hes defenitly still connected to gaap

[spark tulip]

i feel like it would be easier to understand for newer people

[ripe berry]

na, Tokens better since they're from a Amusement Park

[safe charm]

But how idk

[shell gull]

Fair, but I got to elaborate yk

[unkempt sleet]

Golden Apple Tokens

[ripe berry]

(aren't Tokens used in Amusement Parks? or it only Arcades?)

[shell gull]

So your saying he’s connected to GAAP, but don’t have a clue how?

[unkempt sleet]

its used in the Amusement Parks too

[safe charm]

Yeah? But since the coins are from gaap

[ripe berry]

yeah, Guest leaves the tokens, which are said to be from the GAAP in the newest teaser

[safe charm]

He most likely is

[unkempt sleet]

I had an Amusement Park here that used tokens

[ripe berry]

ok, thank goodness I remembered that right

[shell gull]

There we go all I needed to hear

[unkempt sleet]

I really wonder how tokens from an Amusement Park turned into a luck thing

[ripe berry]

(Imma just call the GA Coins Tokens for the time being until we get a official name to call them by)

[shell gull]

Then again The Mayor owns G.A. So wouldn’t he have been the one in charge of getting those Tokens made.

[ripe berry]

yep!

[unkempt sleet]

i still even have no idea of what the Guest's connection to the Park is, that makes me say "Yea this is possible"

[ripe berry]

for your games only timeline you have the Statue in the GAAP and HNVR that tells you there's a connection

[safe charm]

Much of the guest is a mystery at the moment

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

with AS there's the leaving the Tokens thing

[unkempt sleet]

Is Guest originates from the Park or the Park originates from Guest, thats the biggest question

[shell gull]

So yeah, The Mayor is definitely in on The Guest, which is obvious, it seems they all join The Cult right after the Peterson Incident (Refers to what happened at Mayak), also quick to note the fact that the past Mayor was also a Cultist, Newsom is also the oldest known Member to still be in The Cult, putting him on a high rank.

[ripe berry]

however I'm willing to bet the Tokens came before the Park as the Cult Statues in the Museum have Tokens and one of those statues is buried by the Banner

and it'd take awhile for the statue to get buried

[shell gull]

Yeah but The Museum didn’t get abandoned till near before the start of HN2.

[ripe berry]

unless Tokens are a recent addition to the Cult's appearance and they changed the Statue in the Museum to reflect this

[shell gull]

They were still using the place while GAAP was around.

[shell gull]

I mean it makes sense, if there’s something new like a tradition they usually insist it on their home ground.

[safe charm]

About Nightmare 3 idk what to think about it anymore people have so Many different theories

On what it is

Some Think its the Peterson curse some Think its the cult some Think its the guest

Some Think it has no meaning

[ripe berry]

if we assume Luck Devices and something similar to the Aaron Trilogy occurs in the AS Timeline, the Coins being recent makes more sense

they have to use something else now that the Luck Devices are gone

[unkempt sleet]

i think its the cult but cant deny the reference to the Guest with the Golden Apple in his beak

[safe charm]

Why cant they just give us something About the guest for once?

[ripe berry]

and this new entity that's been popping up has been leaving versions of the GAAP's Tokens, so let's use those to replace the Luck Devices

[shell gull]

Nightmare 3 is an interpretation of The Cult and The Guest, The Guest and Cult nagging on Quentin, Ancient Curse reflects many things as The Cult Curse but also Guest Curse.

It’s basically a representation of what is messing with Quentin all together, which is The Cult itself.

[snow mauve]

Mmmm

Cultists cultist

Bad luck coins

Deeodore masters Peterson

Guest

Franklin Peterson

Something Something Something

Mayak

[shell gull]

Mhm, though, we have to realise that they obviously have other curses.

Bad Luck Curse is just their go to.

Than you have the Permanent Bad Luck, which was hinted at.

[ripe berry]

yeah

(gotta love how these curses all use bad luck)

[shell gull]

Yeah, even Guest Curse is literally summoning Bad Luck itself lol.

[ripe berry]

they're nothing but consistent with their luck manipulation

[shell gull]

Yeah guess it’s their thing.

Gtg

[ripe berry]

cya!

even in HNVR the Tokens are cursed as Unlucky Coins likely by Guest/Cult

[safe charm]

Funny plot twist guest is a cultist

Would be funny if its that simple

Lol

[silver vine]

Which came first, chicken or egg

[ripe berry]

doesn't SN say smth about the whole "is the chicken or egg first" thing?

[strange lance]

Considering what both HE shows and what that one twitter post said about the guest finding his costume in the trash, its 100% that the park came first

also guest kid who is dressing up as the parks mascot

my boi

[safe charm]

I guess its Canon to the AS too but why did they remove the statue

If its still the case

[strange lance]

Because the manifestation plot is obviously not part of it. In the AS/hn2 the guest is really old and ancient or whatever and just always looked like a bird as far as we know

[strange lance]

Also the mascot can still be a bird and not related to the guest

but they'll probably still try in the AS

[safe charm]

Do you Think Nightmare 3 is guest related

[strange lance]

yes (?)

it kinda just happens

[safe charm]

Does it imply anything important?

[strange lance]

idk

it throws up lucky coins

thats something I guess

[safe charm]

Is the giant bird the guest original form

Maybe

Like how he looked like originally

[strange lance]

The guest going from a big bird to a man bird would be weird

[ripe berry]

(the Guest is still tied to the GAAP as the Tokens (what I call the Golden Apple Coins) are said to be from the Park in the newest teaser and are used by the Guest to give people bad luck)

[safe charm]

But what is new guest then?

I’m so confused

[strange lance]

I still think hes some kind of demon

not straight up just a demon from hell though

[safe charm]

Also Alex implied many times there’s something under the suit

[strange lance]

well there is

[ripe berry]

Franklin Peterson's possessed body goes brrr

[safe charm]

So is it not his face? The beak

[strange lance]

When teds not in it its just goop and feathers. At least thats how it was for the og guest

idk about new guest

[safe charm]

How can guest open and close his beak if it’s a mask?

[viral dove]

Th

[ripe berry]

but then there's if the Tokens are from the GAAP or if the GAAP's Tokens are to cover up the Lucky/Unlucky Tokens

[viral dove]

It looks like if the guest and garage materials had a baby

[strange lance]

Aren't the unlucky coins just a hnvr thing or are those mentioned in the AS too

[safe charm]

Like even when Ted is the guest he can open and close it

[ripe berry]

I would assume the Unlucky Tokens (again Imma just refer to them as Tokens to make it easier to tell them apart from normal money without having to really clarify much for new people or typing out "Golden Apple Coin") exist in AS if "Lucky" Ones seem to

[ripe berry]

we aren't sure in AS what the connection is yet, but it's there

[shell gull]

Curse Entity.

[snow mauve]

Franklin Masters Peterson

:>

[ripe berry]

noting the Circling Crows thing

[silver vine]

Hi

[muted moon]

remember when froleas made a guest costume and was able to make the beak move

[unkempt sleet]

Circling crows is a bad luck omen...

HN2 has a lot of circling crows that show where to go...

Guest is connected with bad luck...

[snow mauve]

the guest issssss

the bad luck!

the main main bad luck!

[snow mauve]

DUH

[tribal talon]

https://youtu.be/Sx1aDrrl23k?si=SQOVZkbikIHiNyO2

[vernal onyx]

tinybuild does NOT want you to know this https://youtu.be/MDcPkXHvuKU

[snow mauve]

Shushhh fool..

[vernal onyx]

good point

[ocean mango]

I still hold the books cannon to me , even if they might not be they are so good.

[stiff spire]

why did nicky get framed? is he stupid?

[thin wadi]

Yes

Always has been

He was a lot smarter and more careful with his moves in the books

[stiff spire]

oh

guess I was right lol (it's been a while since I've read the books)

[finite hawk]

So to my knowledge, the only games official to the lore HN1 hide and seek diaries and HN2

And secret neighbor and HE aren’t canon to the story?

[ripe berry]

they are

also you forgot Hello Neighbor Search and Rescue, which is also canon

unless you mean AS Timeline

then Idk about HNVR or HND

[finite hawk]

All I really get is HE has some sort of time traveling machine and HE which I don’t know if that has anything to do with the lore

[ripe berry]

SN's lore wasn't completely thrown out, they changed the lore of SN from it's original state for the AS

now SN is a mix of Memories from Seasons 1-2 of the AS

[finite hawk]

Let’s be fair Secret Neighbor was only Cannon when Hello Guest was still the primary version of Hello Neighbor 2 after that, it made less sense

Story completely changed and shifted after that

Hello Neighbor diaries happens after act finale of the original game so it still would be in 2017 so for what I can see hello neighbor diaries is a late entry in this story as it’s the aftermath of act finale

[snow mauve]

Hnd i guess I can count it

Except the memories part

Those just belong to the books

[shell gull]

He got framed in the books by Ted, him trying to ruin Nicky to trick him into trying to prove he’s telling the truth and go into the basement, it was basically a set up, crazy that Ted broke into Nicky’s room just to frame him for his plan.

[stiff spire]

oh

that's actually a smart but rude move the neighbor did

but also creepy

[snow mauve]

By leaving dozens Aaron and Mya missing posters

[silver vine]

No, Alex has confirmed several times that SN is completely canon to AS

[finite hawk]

That’s what I said after Hello guest was no longer the current version to HN2 the story shifted to AS later on

[silver vine]

Yes

AS also has the traitor storyline

One of the kids is secretly a traitor

SN connection

[finite hawk]

I think it’s Ivan for what we seen with those screenshots anyway

[manic dirge]

Ted also went into Nicky’s room to get his stolen phone book back

Waving the book in the street

[muted moon]

he also messed with the school rollar coaster

and did weird random stuff that would make it look like someone was trying to frame him