lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

I know

Not anymore LOL

[wooden hollow]

the main story is canon, but things like Radioactive Foxy and Piranha Plushtrap aren't

[ripe berry]

oh wait you mean the dates the game uses

[ripe berry]

I would assume the skins are mostly canon as pretty much every skin is mentioned by the Character Encyclopedia but since this is a HN Lore Discussion and not a FNaF Lore Discussion let's not debate on this

[snow mauve]

AR is a lost media now

😭

I'm dyinnnn

[ripe berry]

hate to see it...
anyways yeah no SN is chronologically impossible

[snow mauve]

SN can burn in hell

The goofy goober game

[wooden hollow]

I love Secret Neighbor but the halloween update made it kinda mid

And my wi-fi is still really bad

[snow mauve]

Every update nowadays suck

[ripe berry]

even if we ignore the maps

[snow mauve]

Launch Version (2019)- 2020 was at least best for SN (in my opinion)

[ripe berry]

MitH is running about at the same time Quentin moves into town
in AS Timeline MitH wouldn't be running around at the same time Quentin is

[snow mauve]

Good lord the Christmas update..

[wooden hollow]

Quentin being in town while Nicky is in the basement is weird in general

[snow mauve]

HOW

[ripe berry]

in Old Lore Timeline Otto wouldn't be a Neighbor Class as there's no reason for the kids to imagine Otto of all people

[wooden hollow]

AS has Quentin arriving after Nicky gets rescued

[snow mauve]

Yeah but hey

Least we get to see the silly man

And hilariously ignore the kids

[wooden hollow]

And they don't learn about the Guest that early either

[snow mauve]

Cuz they suck

[ripe berry]

but in the AS Timeline it makes sense as Enzo broke into Otto's Home in Episode 3, thus giving a logical explanation for Otto's Appearance

but AS Timeline is impossible due to (as ILikeGreen Said) the Guest and Quentin's presence in the game

[snow mauve]

Pretty sure it's not supposed to connect with the games

I see it as an alternate timeline

With the books

Since they all have some inconsistent moments from the games that don't make sense to connect

[wooden hollow]

Nothing is consistent in HN

[snow mauve]

It is if you follow the games

[ripe berry]

characters aren't map-bound (with the exception of anything to do with MitH) so when Characters make the games impossible in a timeline you got a problem

[snow mauve]

And ignore other media

[ripe berry]

Quentin in SN is impossible due to the timelines we've been presented

[snow mauve]

Can we just pretend SN isn't even canon/connected in the timeline

Than just overcomplicating yourselves

Cuz that's what I rather do

[ripe berry]

friendly reminder

[wooden hollow]

Everything is canon to itself, but everything is only connected by certain canon events (car crash, mya death, aaron basement, nicky gets saved)

[snow mauve]

NO

[ripe berry]

this means at least at one point SN WAS canon

[wooden hollow]

omg based

[snow mauve]

Yeah was

Mayak?

[wooden hollow]

Mayak split reality

[ripe berry]

I agree with this theory

[wooden hollow]

Well that was mostly a joke but I guess it could be true

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 3: we see multiple theo clones trying to go full on spiderverse

[ripe berry]

I mean remembering things they have said

[wooden hollow]

What if the Guest overloaded Mayak and caused a split in reality, making multiple versions of the timeline with slightly different events. Every story is similar, and every version of Raven Brooks has the same people, but what happens can change.

It would justify Hello Engineer in some way

[ripe berry]

also I find this highly suspicious of Alex (Episodes 17-18 are "key", Episode 18 is at Mayak, and Episode 16 is right before the "key" episodes)

[snow mauve]

No no no

Don't end up like Guestyyy

For the love of god!!!

I guarantee they won't mean anything!!

[safe charm]

That’s my boy

Your finally on the right path

In life

[snow mauve]

Jesusss

[safe charm]

I guarantee they will mean everything!!

[wooden hollow]

It's possible that the end of AS is when the timeline is split, and the AS is the "original" story

[ripe berry]

I'm just taking the opportunity to say insane sounding things that you can't quite disprove yet and do make some form of sense

[snow mauve]

Hell no

[safe charm]

Exactly what I’m thinking

I think the games timeline happens after AS timeline

[ripe berry]

it's spreading

[wooden hollow]

Heck yeah

🤝

[snow mauve]

You're insane!!!

[safe charm]

Okay here’s my theory guest restarts the universe at the end of AS everything but guest resets

[snow mauve]

Someone tackle em!!!

[safe charm]

But guest still has all his memories

From the AS timeline

[snow mauve]

No not time reset day loop again!!!

[wooden hollow]

That's a good one, I like that

[snow mauve]

Anything but that!!!

[safe charm]

Basically that’s why the guest is so smart

[snow mauve]

I'm ending it all!

[wooden hollow]

What if the Guest's goal in GN2 and HN2 is to use Mayak to get back to the original timeline

And that's why he needs Peterson

Because Ted knows how Mayak works

[safe charm]

Maybe or just reset it again maybe he did it on purpose

[snow mauve]

Or does he..

[wooden hollow]

I don't think it's a time reset, I think the timeline is split

[ripe berry]

he learns in Hello Engineer

[snow mauve]

Forgor

[safe charm]

Maybe guest escaped into the games and perhaps book timeline

[snow mauve]

Not another spiderverse!!!

[safe charm]

Yes I think hn2 might be in the book timeline due to all references

[snow mauve]

He ain't miles!

[safe charm]

There is

[snow mauve]

This guy sucksss

Just look at him..

That stupid cloak and that beak..

UGH

[ripe berry]

heck timeline split could in a way be represented through the coins (presenting all timeline split arrangements here)

[wooden hollow]

This is my theory

(didn't feel like adding every game)

[snow mauve]

Discord mobile you're totally awesome..

All I see is a white blank!

[wooden hollow]

Trust me, it's peak

[snow mauve]

Blurrrr

Could you tell what was the image you sent

Oop nevermind

[snow mauve]

Whar the alphas..

Not the shitty alphas!!!

[ripe berry]

this is a possibility, not a fact

[wooden hollow]

everything is canon

[snow mauve]

Shut up!

[ripe berry]

Using it to justify the Coins behaving in seemingly opposite ways between HNVR and AS

[wooden hollow]

Wait what do the coins do in HNVR

I never got all of them

[snow mauve]

Collectables

For achievement

They mean nothing

[ripe berry]

actually the coins do nothing but they're called "Unlucky Coins" in the Achievements so I assume they somehow give the Rescue Squad Bad Luck

[snow mauve]

Good reasons tho

[wooden hollow]

Fair

[ripe berry]

Nicky even has one in HNVR and we all know how his attempt to save Aaron in HN1 went

(or well, he doesn't have one on him but there's one in his room)

[wooden hollow]

Wait, if everything is canon... AS pilot 🧌

[snow mauve]

Oh hell no

[ripe berry]

Also put Book timeline as the original as the two sides of luck manipulation are combined with the Luck Devices in the books, but it could also work the other way around and have Books be a re-combined timeline

these devices are also shown in the AS Pilot though so...

reminder even in current SN this exists

[wooden hollow]

Hello Guest is canon

[snow mauve]

Michael you're hurting my little depkis brain

[snow mauve]

Oh hell nah

Burn it

[wooden hollow]

Ok wait I'm gonna make a GOOD timeline explanation

[snow mauve]

Better be easy

Cuz I can't handle that shit anymore

This is fnaf lore all over again!!!

[ripe berry]

(AS Luck Device for those who forgot what it looked like in AS)

[ripe berry]

question: does the Pentagon have any relation to a Event in SN?

because if not... I think you can see where I'm going with this

[wooden hollow]

?

[wooden hollow]

omg yes

[ripe berry]

Just found what the Pentagon is tied to
It's a Map of Raven Brooks in SN with the School and Hospital Circled

[ripe berry]

so it's still tied to AS Pilot where the map of the town quite literally is a Pentagon

wait...

everything is canon...

oh hell no

[wooden hollow]

not canon

nope

no

[ripe berry]

the date of this is 2020

the Guidebook is from 2019

therefore Guidebook is a part of "everything is canon"

[wooden hollow]

:((((

[ripe berry]

(Even though I want to burn it at the stake as much as the next guy)

[ripe berry]

you can't bypass it by saying it didn't exist yet
it existed so it has to count as a part of everything being canon

[ripe berry]

however my memory of the guidebook is bad enough I won't attempt to make any connections to anything

also since we're doing Timeline Split

Imma just

[snow mauve]

It's fire

[ripe berry]

puts Neighbor's Notebook into Self-Contained Timeline

Fun fact: Secret Neighbor Trophy Room has the HN1 Alpha 1 House Key Asset

[snow mauve]

WHYYY

[wooden hollow]

Boom

This is what I think of the HN story

[ripe berry]

wait until you hear about HNHS and Book 1 being inconsistent

[snow mauve]

The inconsistencies is real

[ripe berry]

HNHS - March 20th-May 3rd 1996
Book 1 - August-September 1995

[snow mauve]

Where the hell?

The hnhs date i mean

[ripe berry]

where did I get 1996 from?

[snow mauve]

The whole ahh date

[wooden hollow]

I just wanted to have HN1 and the books on the same timeline because I think the book story is a perfect prequel to HN1

[ripe berry]

the HN1 Milk Cartons expire March 1997
but the Calendars in HNHS are as follows:
Stage 1 - March 20th
Stage 2 - March 30th
Stage 3 - April 1st
Stage 4 - (as seen in the intro cutscene) May 3rd
Stage 5 - May 3rd
May is after March, and thus the 1997 date is the following year

[snow mauve]

How the hell did you knowwww

Where da sourceeee

[ripe berry]

and HNHS promo things state it leads directly into HN1
although it must actually be at least 1 day to give Ted time to put up Missing Posters and because

[ripe berry]

there's a calendar in the kid's room in HNHS

[wooden hollow]

and the achievements

[snow mauve]

Ohhhhhh

Of course

[snow mauve]

Achievements?

[ripe berry]

Charm - March
Payrol - April
Yam - May

[snow mauve]

Yeah yeah I figured

[safe charm]

I agree but it is kinda inconsistent

With the Peterson family

[ripe berry]

pretty sure the achievement for beating HNHS is "Yam 3rd"

[snow mauve]

Kinda is a strong word

It's actually

[safe charm]

A lot

[snow mauve]

VERY

[ripe berry]

hold on lemme check

[snow mauve]

Oh?

Shit

[wooden hollow]

Every stage has the date in the achievement description

[snow mauve]

Forgot there's descriptions in achievements

[ripe berry]

the achievements state the day they occur

[safe charm]

Mr Peterson in hide and seek I love my family
Mr Peterson in missing pieces not necessarily

[snow mauve]

Damn i never even payed attention

[ripe berry]

even the Stage 4 Achievement, you don't have to even use the cutscene to figure it out if you look at Achievement descriptions

[snow mauve]

To be honest with you guys

[ripe berry]

the achievement descriptions are how we know in HNVR the GA Coins are "Unlucky Coins"

[snow mauve]

I never really bothered looking at dates

Or days

I just mainly prefer focusing on the actual events

Than knowing when it happened specifically

[ripe berry]

also funny story: it took me 2 years to beat HNHS because my controller wasn't responding when I went to open the giant door in Stage 5

[snow mauve]

Funny story: I played HNHS with my joystick drift controller

Parkour is very fun with it..

[opal steeple]

funny story: i have yet to play or have HNHS

[wooden hollow]

It took me 4 months because I'm bad at videogames

[snow mauve]

Have seen?

[opal steeple]

yeah I’ve watched tons of videos

[wooden hollow]

I had to do HNVR climbing with joystick drift

[snow mauve]

Jesus

[ripe berry]

this is how to create infinite Agony FNaF Fans

just do this and you're sure to live forever

[wooden hollow]

I got joystick drift on my Quest 2 controllers after like 2 weeks

[ripe berry]

and for books it's just simple math

[snow mauve]

Good lord can you imagine me playing fnaf help wanted flatmode in plush babies minigames..

(Yes I dealt with that before)

And was able to successfully beat it for 2 weeks

[ripe berry]

Local Grocer Incident is late August
it's stated Nicky didn't see Aaron for a month after that, so we're at September
not long after those scenes Diane and Mya die

[ripe berry]

dear god...

[snow mauve]

I am the master of joystick drifts!

[ripe berry]

we goin' full crackpot with this one

also may I point out in AS the Eye Paintings have multiple eyes

but in HN1 they only have 1

(Representation of the Split in the timeline?)

we know the eyes are important because everything supernatural is tied to them
even the HN2 Alphas, which are set in "Guest World", are in the shape of a eye with the Guest at the center

might as well also point out the Multi-eyed paintings have existed since AS Pilot

other AS Eye Paintings (from Episode 5)

one single eye painting but two paintings full of eyes

don't know what I'm even doing with the eye things
but why are the eyes even in space

[wooden hollow]

YES THATS AWESOME

[ripe berry]

nvm the eyes being a timeline split representation
unless there's already one split when AS Ep. 5 occur-

there might be two splits that occur before we even get to AS...

I need to find a second single eye painting to make this make complete sense tho

!

but then there's also... these

[wooden hollow]

I think the eyes might not be lore relevant...

[ripe berry]

eyes do have a meaning
just not the paintings in AS I'm guessing

[wooden hollow]

Right

[safe charm]

Green could I ask you a question

[wooden hollow]

Of course!

[safe charm]

Any way you can properly tie missing pieces and hide and seek together

They feel so inconsistent to me

Like how Peterson acts

[ripe berry]

but still, this could mean by the time we get to AS the timeline's split twice

[safe charm]

I’m so confused why they made it so inconsistent when they were made around the same time

Mr Peterson is already a lunatic in missing pieces from my understanding

Or is it just misunderstandings?

[ripe berry]

would now be a good time to call out

in this case Peterson's Stick Together would split between one of the games and AS
and the split before hand based off the broken railing? well I have a theory

[wooden hollow]

Well H&S only shows Ted for a bit, and he's not a villain there so him acting weird would ruin the flow of the story (normal family -> broken family)
Missing Pieces has Ted as an antagonist, so it needs to highlight his bad behavior to create suspense and interesting moments

I guess you could say that he is insane in H&S too, but he only acts weird during these short "episodes", and he is normal and happy most of the time

[safe charm]

Would you consider Aaron trilogy Ted insane

[snow mauve]

Smart green

[safe charm]

He’s supposed to be already

According to book 1

[wooden hollow]

I've only read book 4 from the Aaron trilogy, so I can't say much about him there, but he just seemed traumatised and complicated, not insane

[snow mauve]

Nah

He's not

[ripe berry]

in the Books the Mayak Research is still going on when Ted is a kid in the 1960's

[snow mauve]

Yep

[ripe berry]

in AS, Mayak is abandoned years before Ted's Born

[safe charm]

In AS it feels like they will make him a normal man sorta before hide and seek

At least so far

Or maybe not idk

[snow mauve]

I can see it like the games instead of him already going crazy

He's just yo friendly dad

[safe charm]

He went through a lot though

[snow mauve]

Nah

[safe charm]

His brother died in front of his eyes

[snow mauve]

He's fine guestyyy

[ripe berry]

Franklin doesn't know anything about the Weather Station and he's about to graduate, putting him at 18, while Ted is around 8, meaning Mayak research is abandoned ~10 years earlier in the AS then in the books

[snow mauve]

He is the most relatable human being

[snow mauve]

He can take it

Rather distract yourself from the past

[ripe berry]

creating a perfect opportunity for a potential split
assuming that when something ends up in the pit a split in the timeline is sure to follow that is

[safe charm]

He’s defending cursed as well

In AS timeline

Soooo

How much can he take

Definitely not defending typo

[snow mauve]

I think it happened during the loss of his family

So he's fine

[safe charm]

Nah

[snow mauve]

Guestyyy Guestyyy when will you learn

[safe charm]

The writers said they wanted to be super respectful to the hn universe

So I doubt it

[snow mauve]

And him enjoying his life as an early adult is fine

Then when loses literally everything

Then you can have

The mental insane person you know and love

That you for whatever reason admire

[safe charm]

I just like him being an antagonist over some misunderstood

Guy

[wooden hollow]

I wonder if Gerda will be in AS S2 since she's shown as a kid

[ripe berry]

Potential Timelines:
AS (Original?)
Books/HND (Original?)
HNHS/HN1/HG/HN2/RBO
SN/HN1 Alphas
HE
Sandbox Realm
Neighbor's Notebook
AS Pilot

[snow mauve]

Deal with it

It's always better

[safe charm]

He’s an antagonist in AS

[snow mauve]

Than some pointless antagonist

That does evil as it wants

[safe charm]

He’s not some misunderstood guy

[snow mauve]

A misunderstood antagonist!

[snow mauve]

He is..

[wooden hollow]

How do HG and HN2 fit together?

[ripe berry]

he's a antagonist in Ace Attorney?

[safe charm]

Yes

[snow mauve]

The kids just won't leave him alone

When the guy got some business to deal with

Ahem, cultists

[ripe berry]

I dunno just hear some say Hello Guest is a part of the original HN1/HNHS Timeline and others say HN2 is

[snow mauve]

The real antagonists

[safe charm]

AS ted so far is a sadist

[snow mauve]

If that's what you're looking for

[snow mauve]

Fitting

[snow mauve]

Rather skip hello guest and leave it in the dust

[ripe berry]

they obviously can't co-exist but it's impossible to determine which one goes into the HN1 Timeline

oh wait, it is

No wait...
no wait yeah it can work...

Potential Timelines:
AS (Original?)
Books/HND (Original?)
HNHS/HN1/HN2/RBO
HNVR/HN2 Beta
SN/HN1 Alphas/AS Pilot/HG
HE
Sandbox Realm
Neighbor's Notebook

[safe charm]

It’s in hn2

Patch 9

Hello guest is alive and well

[ripe berry]

Quentin in SN/HG Timeline: a Journalist from the Big City who is investigating the GAAP after being hired as a security guard

[safe charm]

In hn2

[snow mauve]

Talking about

Actual hello guest build

Not the definitive version in hn2

[safe charm]

Hn2 is hello guest

And hello guest is hn2

[snow mauve]

Yeah you don't understand what I'm saying

[safe charm]

Their the same

[snow mauve]

Nah really

I always thought they're different!?

🤯

[wooden hollow]

hn2 = hello guest
hello guest alpha = hn2 pre-alpha

[snow mauve]

Seriously tho guestyyy shut the hell up, I'm talking to Michael

[ripe berry]

only put HG and AS Pilot in the SN Timeline as there used to be film reels for those two in SN
Yes I am aware AS was broadcast in SN and HN2 and HE but AS might be the original timeline so...

[safe charm]

Nope

Your talking to me

Clearly

[snow mauve]

Michael

Don't leave me here

Michael!!!

Michael!!!!!

[ripe berry]

leaves you here

[snow mauve]

Help meeeee!!!

Anyways I'm bored

[ripe berry]

RBO is HN2 timeline because

[snow mauve]

Michael says so

[ripe berry]

(grabbed extra image for context to what "steam post" I'm talking about)

[wooden hollow]

that makes a lot of sense

[ripe berry]

Imma also just call AS the original timeline for the time being as it was broadcast in HN2/HE/SN

I'm also ignoring Error World
you can say it's canon, I just can't look into Error World stuff due to only owning HN1 on Xbox

[snow mauve]

For a guy who is a main theorist but is a Xbox user is kinda sad

[ripe berry]

Xbox User doesn't mean I can't be a theorist
except for the like 5 things they changed in HN1 that never got ported to xbox
and I had to rely on what others say for like months until they finally uploaded the HN2 Patches to Xbox

[wooden hollow]

That's why I'm the Hello Lorekeeper now 😎

[snow mauve]

Nuh uhhh

You're green

The game developer

Who loves green and games

[snow mauve]

True

[ripe berry]

(tinyCrow...)

[snow mauve]

Yeah no he's not anymore

I haven't seen him theorize anything

And he is mostly missing out the stuff

[ripe berry]

I still hate that I can't fact-check if Ted is still there in the City in Act 3 because Xbox is like 2 updates behind

[snow mauve]

I want vacuum cleaner 😦

And hnhs rubix cube!

[ripe berry]

Vacuum Cleaner...

if they couldn't figure out how Error World would work on Xbox at least they could've given us the other stuff!

[wooden hollow]

Praying that the HN remake will have error world

[ripe berry]

and something tells me they aren't going back after 6 years to update HN1

That'd mean recreating the whole arg and the website though

all within the full game

just so that no one would need prior knowledge of the ARG to do the Error World stuff

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

Duh

[snow mauve]

At least I get to experience it in HND

I bless you HND!

You're everything!

[ripe berry]

my tablet can't even run HND

it says I can download but doesn't finish the download with no notification saying I don't have space or anything like that

[snow mauve]

Dayum

[manic dirge]

I think it took me a few weeks

[muted moon]

i think it took me a few days

[manic dirge]

HNHS honestly has the best vibe out of all of the games

[ripe berry]

HNHS also does a great job at storytelling

just has shit gameplay

[manic dirge]

Yeah

[silver vine]

From the recent teasers we know that the kids are going back to the house even after it b ing deemed a crime scene and might even see the guest there. So I think that's what map 4 is

[silver vine]

What if new SN takes place after all the events

Like, what if SN is now a distorted memory/therapy session like HN1

[silver vine]

Stuff like what

We haven't got new stuff in ages

[ripe berry]

oh yeah fair

[ripe berry]

finally
a logical explanation for Map 4

also can I say AS timeline Wayron Croobian is weird

Hello Neighbor 2 directly references the existence of Wayron Croobian outside of text by having a puzzle answer be the beginning of words in Wayron Croobian

then in Patch 9 they have English text (Bakery)

again in Secret Neighbor there's both Wayron Croobian and English

(Ted's Pinboard in SN and the Baseball in the Treasure Room)

then yet again in AS Wayron Croobian (Logden Payoll, WCR) is shown to co-exist with English

but then why does Wayron Croobian exist

[ripe berry]

I decided to take a note of some times for HN2
Mayor's Home begins at 8 AM
Night 4 ends at 10 PM
Bossfight begins at 2 AM
Bossfight ends at 5 AM

why did I take note of these times?

trying to see if a theory I have to allow for the puzzles in the Museum can work out
(basically while Mayor's off at the Star Championship 1996 Ted hides a Museum Key in the Mayor's Home for extra protection for himself and Aaron, Mayor finds this key around 7 AM on Day 4 but leaves it until that night to investigate due to prior cult activity in the Museum
they finally have arrived at 5 AM, just in time to knock out the Quentin Kid that's been bothering former and current Cult Members all week (HN2 Ending))

finally came up with a way for this to work out

[opal steeple]

damn aaron had to watch quentin run around for three hours

and somehow theodore didnt see him

[snow mauve]

Too busy going HUAGH

For 3 hours straight

[spark tulip]

the old art asset charm...

[ripe berry]

lmao

plus Aaron's been hiding out for like 7 Hours

Ted's had 7 hours to put Aaron back in the Attic and he doesn't

[ripe berry]

again may not be a satisfying answer
but it's the only one I can come up with to explain it

[quick dagger]

They possibly could have the Xbox virtual keyboard appear in the console, or allow for actual keyboard inputs if they have one.

might be a bit annoying to have to type the long commands but hey, it would be nice to have it on there at least

[stiff spire]

ngl would be cool if for the console versions in order to enable error world maybe a konami code you'd have to do

[valid dock]

Where is hn set in

[narrow haven]

CN anyone tell me a theory abt the family as mannequins on the guest forest ending

Like are they alive or peterson tried to male them alive or the guest is making them evil spirits or stuff like that

[snow mauve]

It probably has something to do with the cultists

Probably using bait to trap Peterson

Since there's cages around the area

And some cutlist related statues

[snow mauve]

Since they hate Theo so much

[snow mauve]

1990's something (i don't remember)

[silver vine]

Now it's set in 2000s

[snow mauve]

Nah

That ain't right

[silver vine]

That is right

[snow mauve]

Nope

[silver vine]

You're in delulu

[snow mauve]

Hn2 exists silly

So it's technically

Somewhere in 1990 something

[silver vine]

HN2 follows AS lore

[snow mauve]

WRONG

Not just AS lore

It also connects with the games

[silver vine]

I know something more than you do

[snow mauve]

Well I know something more than YOU do

Sir

[silver vine]

That is

[snow mauve]

Truth

[silver vine]

Truth is HN2 follows AS lore

[snow mauve]

Nope

You're mistaken

It also follows the games

[silver vine]

Games also follow AS lore

[snow mauve]

Mega buzzer

[silver vine]

bruh what do you want

That's the truth

[snow mauve]

Correcting you

That's all

[snow mauve]

Where's the proof

[silver vine]

Whether you like it or not

[snow mauve]

I wanna know

[silver vine]

Alex

[snow mauve]

I don't mind really

[snow mauve]

Where's the actual source dude

Saying "Alex" ain't enough

[silver vine]

I'm sick and tired of this

Bye

[snow mauve]

K bye

[signal sentinel]

question

in hello neighbor missing pieces (book)

why does everybody hate misses Tillman

[snow mauve]

Because

Why not

[signal sentinel]

Ok

[narrow haven]

Why do they hate him

[snow mauve]

Because

Why not

They're villians

[wicked heath]

Bc Marcia Tillman thinks she’s “enlightened” and that everyone else are below her

She thinks the Roth family is “impure” and stuff, cus they Jewish, new to town, and kind of poor

And she thinks both the Roth and Peterson family are not worthy enough to buy her “enlightened” products

[snow mauve]

So much knowledge..

[stiff spire]

that's sad

[manic dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-jaden-williams-gif-26669088

I never thought of that

[shell gull]

So she hates religion.

[versed yacht]

Yeah she's just kind of a horrible person

[strange lance]

And then everyone in reset day misses her when she dies

[sage orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/bernard-hello-neighbor-dance-secret-neighbor-dc-gaming-gif-20438251

is this part of the lore

[wicked heath]

Thats not actually true. Vinod said the town was pretending

[wicked heath]

To this day, i still dont know the source of this

[stiff spire]

I think it was from a mod

I forgot the name of it though

oh yeah a day in ravensville

[crude dew]

I wouldn't toss randomly words like these, the kids may believe it
kids believe everything sadly

[crude dew]

it's a random mod.

[silver vine]

What're you talking about?

Alex has said several times that HN2 follows AS.

[safe charm]

Hoping they make hn2 have its story be solvable without having to watch AS

Like the deeper stuff with the guest

If they make hn2 story need context from the AS to be good I would not like that

It should be it’s own story even if it’s in the AS universe not be some AS tie in

[silver vine]

HN2 will be understandable even without AS

[safe charm]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

And hn2 follows the games too!

[spark tulip]

yes

[spark tulip]

uhhh, no

[snow mauve]

But Mister noxified..

[spark tulip]

nuh UH

[snow mauve]

Don't you seee

Ruined town

Burning homes!!!! (Theo's burned house in hn1 act 3!)

[spark tulip]

that's AS story, bucko

[snow mauve]

Nawwww

Not just that

[snow mauve]

Not the pre order!!!

[snow mauve]

Not the launch!!!

[spark tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweakin-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-25519944

[snow mauve]

Quit tweakin

[spark tulip]

nah

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYWh5ajA4MDc5eGN4eXBieTl0bGN5amRwMnFqdHljZmVnYTFtaXg1dCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ROb6ahQxB3AJSXMe77/giphy.gif

[snow mauve]

Cowman shelter

[spark tulip]

THE SHELTER!!

[snow mauve]

Abandoned town

[snow mauve]

Church Placeholder

[snow mauve]

Hello guest mill

[silver vine]

You see people, HN2, AS, games all follow the same lore

Except HND and possibly HNVR

[snow mauve]

Excuse meh?

Not diaries

Or hnvr!?

[silver vine]

Diaries is books

[snow mauve]

Nuh uh

That ain't right

[silver vine]

HNVR maybe, I'm not sure

Ok fine

[snow mauve]

SMH

This dude

[silver vine]

HNVR follows HN2 as well

[snow mauve]

Doesn't know

[silver vine]

Only HND

[snow mauve]

WRONG

[silver vine]

you cannot tell me HND follows HN2

[snow mauve]

Don't treat diaries like that buddy

[silver vine]

You cannot

[snow mauve]

Yeah it doesn't

[spark tulip]

HND is poopoo mid

[snow mauve]

BUT

It follows after hn1 act 3

So that's something!

[silver vine]

The house isn't burned

So

It follows books lore

[snow mauve]

Nahhhhh really?

[silver vine]

Yeah

Literally book 1

[snow mauve]

No way you can't understand my sarcasm

[silver vine]

What?

[snow mauve]

No fricken shit dude

Holy

[steady nest]

No

[safe charm]

I mean there are fart machine blueprints in hn2 so maybe hnd isnt old lore?

[snow mauve]

The game is mostly a recap to the books of course

[safe charm]

And its book events that are still canon

To new lore

[steady nest]

Hnd is criminality underated. It does a lot of stuff vrey good and nobody praises it

[silver vine]

Maybe they're made by Nicky alone

[snow mauve]

But in the beginning

[silver vine]

I actually agree

[snow mauve]

Clearly

It takes place

After act 3 of hn1

[safe charm]

Eh doubt it i Think its the same

Nicky and Aaron made it

[snow mauve]

Basically Nicky already moving in

[silver vine]

But it isn't connected to HN2 in anyway

[snow mauve]

Who said it is???

[steady nest]

Like fnaf makes graphic novels for the books if you dont want to read them. Hello neighbor does an entire game for the books if you dont want to read them

[silver vine]

Nicky wouldn't leave his best friend behind like that

[snow mauve]

Like dude

What are you talking about

[snow mauve]

He would

[snow mauve]

I'm only talking about where hnd takes place in

[steady nest]

Hnd 😩

Really good game

[snow mauve]

Finally someone else that appreciates that game

That game is tooooo goood

Like holyyyy

[steady nest]

One of the best hn games

[safe charm]

Also i really doubt they retconned nicky and Aaron being friends i Think nicky just havent told trinity maybe he doesnt want to share everything

Yet

[snow mauve]

My main fav

[steady nest]

It sucks its just on mobile

[snow mauve]

Minus AS

[safe charm]

Yeah maybe but in hn2 their problaby still friends

[snow mauve]

Nicky clearly doesn't have a clue on who's Aaron

[silver vine]

Nicky became friends with Aaron only in the basement

[snow mauve]

Maybe

[safe charm]

Thats a theory

[snow mauve]

Mega buzzer

[safe charm]

You have

[snow mauve]

We see 0 communication with them

[silver vine]

If Nicky was as close to Aaron as he was in the books, he wouldn't have left him behind

[silver vine]

Bruh really

[safe charm]

He would?

[snow mauve]

Hell I don't think Nicky even met Aaron at all

[safe charm]

Hes traumatized

Hes not thinking clearly anymore

[silver vine]

Haven't you seen ep6

[snow mauve]

In AS

[silver vine]

"I'll be your friend. Your best friend"

[snow mauve]

All I see is a traumatized piece of shit

Just alone

And clueless

[snow mauve]

Clearly referring to theo

Smh

[safe charm]

I Think thats not being friends that sounds like being forced

Too

[snow mauve]

Yeah that doesn't make any sense

Nicky is clearly trynna say theo that he will leave him alone or whatever

[steady nest]

Bro dont talk about my boy nicky like that

Niky

[snow mauve]

Sorry..

[steady nest]

Nicy

[snow mauve]

Nicky just sucks

I mostly prefer the silly guy named Quentin

[steady nest]

Adult nicky carries the franchise

(Hes in hnd)

[snow mauve]

I like do adult Nicky just cause his outfit he's wearing

[snow mauve]

Ye

[signal sentinel]

thanks

[fleet viper]

Hn2 literally uses pictures from the books which is a bit odd but i like the references. But if HN2 is supposedly following with the AS then why are the pics there? Especially the one with Mya, Lucy, and Maritza

[snow mauve]

Ermm not odd really

It's all connected

Both games, books and AS

Insane shit right there

[fleet viper]

Yeah it's a reply to what crow was saying since he's claiming HN2 and AS is part of the same universe, but since I recently came back to this game I'm just still a bit confused about what's canon or not because last time I was here, the books were still largely canon

[shell gull]

You realise not everything is tied directly to something and only that, something random like a picture doesn’t only follow into one Lore, that’s like saying “Why is Ted in AS and the Books which Lore is he supposed to be in then?”

Same stuff just interpreted differently.

[fleet viper]

Ah ok

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[silver vine]

Bruh I'm not claiming that HN2 and AS are part of the same universe

The CEO himself has said it multiple times

[fleet viper]

Okay bruh

[silver vine]

Also books ain't canon anymore

[safe charm]

The Books are still kinda important though even if they arent in the same universe anymore

So i wouldnt call them completely non canon but not canon Either

[silver vine]

Yeah they're not COMPLETELY not canon since bookstuff like the cult are now very relevant to the AS

The story of the books aren't canon, but the elements are

[safe charm]

Its just kinda stupid that they made so Many before deciding to retcon them why didnt they make up their minds

Earlier

[silver vine]

They wanted the AS to have books story

But that didn't adapt well as Alex said

And I agree with him.

[safe charm]

So twist the entire franchise story

Perfect

Solution

[silver vine]

Not entirely

The major details and plot points are still the same

[safe charm]

Yeah

True

I just wish both AS and Books could be canon in some way but they cant

Lol

[silver vine]

Idk bruh I prefer AS story more than books

Books were very cringe in some places

[safe charm]

I mean so is AS lets face it

[silver vine]

Not really

[safe charm]

Their at the same level of cringe

[silver vine]

I disagree

AS does not have fart jokes

[safe charm]

And also the Books just feel more canon to me

Than AS

[silver vine]

Or terrible character development

[safe charm]

AS Feels like its its own thing

[silver vine]

Literally the opposite to me

[safe charm]

Nicky in AS sucks

Though

[silver vine]

AS feels like the real canon

[silver vine]

Wait till season 2

Trauma storyline

[safe charm]

Yeah but i doubt it is

[spark tulip]

it is

it's the new main canon

[silver vine]

You doubt?

[spark tulip]

for all upcoming HN games

[silver vine]

It IS the main canon now

How many times should they say to you

[safe charm]

They dont know what their doing with the story

Im pretty sure

[silver vine]

Really bruh?

Really?

[safe charm]

Yep

Its a trainwreck of a continuity

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1169100238045315082/20231031_212639.gif?ex=65542c71&is=6541b771&hm=d46c3d6a59990cf0edc97e1b9b64264c5b6a8133899991937daa275c35e3b7d4&

[silver vine]

Just wait till you see the full thing

[safe charm]

Its hard to care about hn story at this point when they just change things when they feel like it

[safe charm]

It is but like they need to Tie Thing together much better

Than what they have now

[safe charm]

I could see mayak fixing it

With time loop or something

So everything makes sense

But i dont see it working that well otherwise

[silver vine]

It works with every game except HND

I don't see the problem

[snow mauve]

Shut up..

HND is fire

[silver vine]

I agree

But it follows books

Books suckkkkkk

[snow mauve]

No shit

Same with the other games

[safe charm]

Without the Books AS story wouldnt exist tbf

No gaap

No cult

No mayak

[silver vine]

Gaap was a thing before books

It was Nikitas idea

[spark tulip]

just have patience

[silver vine]

And so was mayak

Cult in the only thing which books invented

[safe charm]

Im just sad how such a mess the continuity is

I want it to make sense

[silver vine]

Want what to make sense?

[safe charm]

Hnvr

With AS

[snow mauve]

Guestyyy nothing will make sense

[snow mauve]

Retconned

[silver vine]

Nothing has to make sense

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[silver vine]

Chaos

[snow mauve]

Fnaf lore exists

Bendy lore exists

[safe charm]

Hn continuity SUCK harhar

[snow mauve]

Good

[safe charm]

Its Soo bad

[snow mauve]

Accept it

[safe charm]

Ahhhh

I am

[silver vine]

Don't you dare compare bendy lore with fnaf lore

[snow mauve]

What a loser

[snow mauve]

Bendy + fnaf = hello neighbor

Loreeeee

[safe charm]

Okay but funny how the Books are now false advertised they are still Said to be prequels to the games

[silver vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110041193783509073/1112289941821595668/20230526_110348.gif

[silver vine]

I mean, they technically are

[snow mauve]

Accept your faith

[safe charm]

Also i Think people can just chose whats canon for themselves

Because canon is flexible

[snow mauve]

There you go

[silver vine]

You can choose what's canon for you

[silver vine]

But it won't change the facts

AS is the main canon now. Whether you like it or not

But you can very well headcanon that books are canon as well

[snow mauve]

Guestyyy out there crying

[snow mauve]

And hello neighbor 2 fits on any media! Whether you like it or not

[silver vine]

Yes

[safe charm]

Honestly I think AS and the books is the only thing in hn I care about anymore

[snow mauve]

Lies

You care about everything

[ripe berry]

I agree with tinyCrow, except for the fact that HE isn't AS Timeline

Hello Engineer's Credits make a 4th wall break implying the game's a prequel to HNVR

it also can't fit anywhere without messing up something in HE

[ripe berry]

but other then that I agree

[ripe berry]

something in HE has already been messed up before we even get to the timeline

the Map in HE shows the Guest Statue has always been in the Park

but it's absent in the teasers for AS

instead being a fountain

the same model of Fountain seen in HN2 seemingly

for the timeline placement impossibility:

the Updated model of the Dream Car is seen drawn on a chalkboard in the Classroom

but Trinity hadn't joined the club until that day

"ok, what if they made a mistake"

now for the other problems

WHY DON'T THEY REFERENCE THE CLUB DISAPPEARING FOR ALMOST A MONTH

[wooden hollow]

wait what

[ripe berry]

it has to be after Episode 4 as Nicky has missing posters

[ripe berry]

the credits show a bunch of things

there's two sticky notes in the credits saying:

"Search and..." "Fix!"

a clear nod to Search and Rescue

[wooden hollow]

Okay

[ripe berry]

but you'd think there'd be some kind of reference to the kid's time in the Sandbox Realm if it occured after Episode 4

can't occur after Episode 5, too little time

and after Episode 6 up until HN2 Ted's in Jail

and after Episode 6 it'd make no sense to not include Nicky in the Club in-game

so no placement for HE makes sense with what's shown in the AS

so I only say
HN1
HNHS
SN
and HN2 are canon to the AS

because at least there we don't run into a problem with anything

[wooden hollow]

Well SN doesn't make much sense either

[ripe berry]

HNHS is real
HN1 is a therapy Session (except Act 3/Finale)
SN is a mix of memories

[ripe berry]

since it's not real there can be at least one explanation that fits with SN

[wooden hollow]

Well it's supposed to be the kids imagining how they would break in

[ripe berry]

plus SN doesn't fit with anything really

if we assume them imagining how they'd break in is still the canon explanation
Explain how:
Quentin
and
Map 4
can exist

[wooden hollow]

different timeline 🧌

[ripe berry]

Map 4 has a oddly specific detail

which proves it's from after the kids broke in

How can the fake room behind the Washing Machine exist in the Basement they imagined if they haven't already broken into the house, and thus AS Episode 6/HNVR has occured

and why break in if Nicky's not in there anymore

and Quentin only moves in after AS Episode 6/HNVR

so the "Kids plan to break in" thing no longer applies to SN

Although
What the hell is Rocket Event

[manic dirge]

Which one is map four?

[ripe berry]

Missing or Wanted

the one that looks like Ted's normal house instead of a Mansion and the one that isn't the GAAP

[manic dirge]

Ok that’s what I thought

[snow mauve]

Simmings

[eager lynx]

Theory: The Missing Journalist is The man in the hat. Much of his personality and appearance suits with him.

Theory²: The man who damaged the player in HN2 ending might be the pre-alpha man because he looks like the same and like the pre-alpha, he is just a shadow. And the shadow of the item that he used may be a vase or flastlight. Maybe they teamed up with the neighbor...

[manic dirge]

The cultists took Quentin

Pre alpha man doesn’t exist in this universe

[ripe berry]

correct

[ripe berry]

incorrect
also that looks more like a Wrench to me then a Flashlight

Ted M Peterson already explained why

plus if you know anything about Pre-Alpha Man Lore: he can't show up in HN2

insert Coma Theory explanation here

TLDR; HN1 Pre-Alpha/Alpha 1 is a coma which ends with Pre-Alpha Man's death (Neighbor Burying Him)

and it occurs in the 1960s

[eager lynx]

Thanks for explaining

[ripe berry]

one final thing to say
in HN2 it's 1996
and according to the Animated Series HN2 is in a post-1997 year

[silver vine]

HE is also AS timeline bruh

[silver vine]

It's clear that Nicky doesn't come with them for all their adventures cuz of his trauma

Just wait before jumping into conclusions

[crude dew]

no it's not lol

[crude dew]

we don't know the half of the things they discuss as "canon" here I hope u know that

[ripe berry]

then explain Theodore Peterson

we know his whereabouts throughout the entire beginning section of HN2 (Act 1)

and if HE is after that?
Something tells me there's still gonna end up being a problem with that timeline

oh wait, there is

the 4th wall break in the Credits

it means HE HAS to be before HNVR

and HNVR directly contradicts Ep. 6

[silver vine]

what if HNVR is a memory/therapy session as well

[safe charm]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

The Aaron Segments make it difficult for that to work

[safe charm]

Sn is throught a long period

According to Alex

So maybe hnvr is as well

[safe charm]

Could happen later on in AS

[muted moon]

why would they all have the exact same distorted memories

[safe charm]

Therapy session

[silver vine]

what if its from one kids perspective telling the stories of other kids as well as including himself and Aaron as well

[ripe berry]

plus again
with SN what is Rocket Event

[ripe berry]

but none of the kids would know all those perspectives

[muted moon]

that wouldnt make sense since in as they didnt even find aaron

[silver vine]

other kids would've told

[silver vine]

Nicky most likely would've interacted with Aaron in the basement

he could've told

[ripe berry]

as far as we know they don't meet Aaron

[ripe berry]

so the HNVR Aaron Segment is meant to be before the kids escape...

[muted moon]

before ep6 takes place

[ripe berry]

but ends with Aaron letting Nicky out, implying they escaped

plus has Aaron saving all the other kids

and has the Guest's Perspective as he does something to Ted

ok that one actually fits maybe

[silver vine]

PTSD is a terrible thing

[ripe berry]

At this point won't be surprised if we find a way to make HND Canon to the AS

[silver vine]

trauma can easily warp many memories, if its a child, its tenfold

[muted moon]

it would be distorted memories, not just making every detail up

hnvr makes literally no sense being a distorted memory

[ripe berry]

at least with SN you can reasonably see where the original memories come from for it

[silver vine]

We just need to watch s2 to get a clear prospect of everything. Its useless to theorize how everything connects when we dont have the full picture

[ripe berry]

Map 4 is Episode 9
Otto is episode 3
Traitor plot point has been confirmed explaining the Neighbor thing
Butcher and Clown are Trinity's Nightmare
Guest is from Episode 6's Ending
Quentin appears in Episode 9
etc.

but with HNVR?

[silver vine]

just wait guys

[ripe berry]

where are they pulling out the Guest letting Aaron save the kids

[silver vine]

dont get carried over

[muted moon]

the only hnvr connection is breaking into the house and the ending

[ripe berry]

hell even then the ending is slightly different (no dragging Trinity into the Street, Nicky is the last to Escape)

[muted moon]

also guest world is a thing

[silver vine]

was a thing

[safe charm]

Could still be

We dont know

[silver vine]

maybe

perhaps...

[muted moon]

guest world is literally in hnvr

[ripe berry]

I'm just working with:
with the info we currently have, how, if at all can these work in the canon

and again
How do we explain Secret Neighbor Rocket Event

[safe charm]

I wonder if AS Ted would have killed any of the children

If he needed too

[ripe berry]

it seems to imply the characters are all still kids during SN

(then again Quentin can show up if he's one of the selected Rescue Squad Members)

[silver vine]

I dont think the rocket event ending is real either

the memories got so distorted that they thought that they built a rocket and went to moon

[muted moon]

it is

[muted moon]

he

[ripe berry]

but it's what happens after that scene that I'm talking about

[muted moon]

also in sn background we see the normal act 1 house

[silver vine]

normal act 1 house is also in map 4

[ripe berry]

it shows the kids, back in the yard of Nicky's House as seen in the Lobby, with a Normal Act 1 House, showing the Earth and Moon drawn in the dirt, with the kids all the same age as they normally are in SN

[muted moon]

yes but the prematch screen is probably real

[ripe berry]

he has to argue it and the very end of Rocket Ending aren't real because Quentin can show up in those screens

[muted moon]

probably because the event was made before quentin was added

[ripe berry]

and unless SN is it's own timeline this is the only way to have Quentin show up before Episode 6

[ripe berry]

he can still appear in Rocket Ending's Ending

[silver vine]

SN goes from ep 5 to ep 9

[ripe berry]

same with the Pre-Match Screen

[silver vine]

according to Alex

so, without the full thing, we cant really say how everything will connect

we just have to wait

[ripe berry]

I'm only guessing it ends at Ep. 9 due to the traitor stuff

if Ivan ends up dead in Season 2
assuming HNVR is somehow a Distorted Memory
could explain why Ivan is in a minor role in HNVR

because they don't remember him breaking in with them and he can't correct them

[strange lance]

The actual reason he has a minor role in hnvr is cause they cut out his gameplay 🤓👆

[ivory tapir]

Ep 10 is the therepy

[snow mauve]

Ivan sucks anyway

[ivory tapir]

[silver cargo]

[cold gull]

He silly

And smart

[ripe berry]

and a traitor 😈

[subtle crest]

so in the books there is said that aaron and mya is "visiting" their grandma in Minnesota
but in the animated series there is said that theyre missing, thats also said in the game.
which is canon?

[silver vine]

They're missing

That is canon

[subtle crest]

so books is not canon?

[silver vine]

Not anymore sadly

AS is the new canon

[snow mauve]

Except some of the stuff from the books are still canon

[ripe berry]

Book 2 Spoiler: ||By the end of that Book Aaron and Mya are officially labelled missing||

[silver vine]

Still

Peterson doesn't put up missing posters

He only tears them down

[ripe berry]

yeah that's the one change Books made

[silver vine]

While canonically in the games Peterson puts up the posters

Which AS bought back

[ripe berry]

#hello-neighbor message
from here to Mr. Apple saying "Might add that to my timeline"

[ripe berry]

and then this #hello-neighbor message

basically amounts to HE needs a 24-25 day time period where the Rescue Squad isn't doing anything in AS and Ted is out of jail to occur in the AS Timeline

which isn't possible based off current information

oh

and then another Month without the Rescue Squad doing anything for the Sandbox Mode to Occur

[white edge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ripe berry]

Hello! outside of #french-chat and other Non-English Channels, you are expected to Speak English, if you can't see #french-chat, go to id:customize and click on the French option of "Do you want to access to other non-English Channels?"

[ripe berry]

(I don't Speak French so I had to use Google Translate for this)
Bonjour! en dehors de #french-chat et d'autres chaînes non anglaises, vous devez parler anglais, si vous ne pouvez pas voir #french-chat⁠, allez sur id:customize et cliquez sur l'option française de "Do you want to access to other non-English Channels?"

[wicked heath]

according to a friend, all the other versions of BATIM are canon now

I wonder how this will affect HN

[ripe berry]

damn
Hello Bendy Canon?

[upbeat plover]

Im alive

[muted moon]

Lmao

[stiff spire]

hn lore leak

[ripe berry]

what

[stiff spire]

idk at this point

[wooden wind]

Are the books considered canon anymore?

[ripe berry]

no

the Animated Series is the main canon now

[wooden wind]

what else isn't canon anymore?

[ripe berry]

As far as I can recall
Hello Neighbor VR and Hello Engineer are VERY Questionably canon
and Hello Neighbor: Nicky's Diaries (a Mobile Game) directly uses Book Lore so it's non-canon

and for the record
this doesn't mean everything I didn't call non-canon fits with no issues

Hello Neighbor 1's Acts 1 and 2 + Secret Neighbor are Distorted Memories

[wooden wind]

Why would they make that stuff non canon?

[ripe berry]

what? HNVR, HE, and HND/HNND? the Books? Books were made non-canon because, in Alex's own words, "they didn't adapt well to animation", Plus Alex wants only one "pipeline" for all future HN Entries to follow

Hello Neighbor 1, Hide and Seek, Secret Neighbor, and Hello Neighbor 2 are the only canon games as far as I can tell
there's room for Hello Engineer and Hello Neighbor VR but those games would either be heavily distorted memories or retconned to where the original game can't be made canon somehow anymore

[manic dirge]

It isn’t non canon. Just different timelines. Wasn’t this stated before?

[ripe berry]

no
that isn't confirmed

[ripe berry]

the timeline stuff was never confirmed
it's Old Canon and New Canon
nothing about alternate timelines has been stated

or if it was
that was before the New Canon

[strange lance]

Alex never said anything but this is very true.

Everything is still canon, its just that the AS and HN2 fg are different continuities where events happened differently

The books are non canon to the AS, but to everything else they are still canon

Thats the simplest way to say it

[ripe berry]

officially that's how things are presented
in theories they can be different timelines
but from what has been officially stated
or sorry, to be correct, swap out everytime I said canon with "continuity"

[strange lance]

Its like how the fnaf novel series still present canon information that applies to the universe of fnaf despite not taking place in the same timeline as the games

[ripe berry]

this is the closest to any confirmation about the books remaining "canon" but not in the New Timeline

or any Alternate Timeline shit

[ripe berry]

likewise HN1, HNHS, and SN are canon to AS, but they weren't made with AS Lore in mind

with HN1 and HNHS being at this point their own third timeline
because both Books and AS mess with the facts that were originally true for the HN1/HNHS Story

AS being more notable as it directly retcons the first Act of HN1 into being a Distorted Memory when that wasn't the original intention

meanwhile Books mostly just messes with the Dates

(as if the dates for HN1/HNHS weren't already self-contradictory)

[ripe berry]

basically HN1 Act 3 is said to be on the Game's Release Date in one of Nikita's Streams, so December 8th, 2017
but then Nikita also said HN1 Act 3 is 19 years after HN1 Act 1

[strange lance]

I'd say only HS works.

With SN they are canonically in a backyard imagining things, which never happens once in the AS in any scene, and the whole breaking in and act 3 are presented and treated as real which SN is not. And "different perspectives" cannot make this happen. Thats just an excuse

and for Hn1 all of that was tossed away. Nicky is no longer the new kid, Nicky is no longer is saved by Aaron and act 2 just never happens, and the act 3 house wasn't real and its meaning has been removed in the AS.

and if you actually watch the AS you'll see how Alex's "different perspective" thing has not played any part in it because its just an excuse and isn't actually a plot point

I refuse to use that stuff for any lore solving

cause it doesn't exist

You know a lot of this would be way easier if he just said the AS was a what if scenario with trinity as the main character and not the main story

[ripe berry]

which if you take the Milk Cartons as fact (aka ignore HNHS) it's March 1997 (getting you Pre-March 2016) and if you take into account HNHS ending in May it's May 1996 (getting you Pre-May 3rd 2015), neither of which being HN1's Release Date

[ripe berry]

then again we only have Season 1
meanwhile he has all the way up to the Script for the Finale

[strange lance]

yeah mayaks gonna fix everything guys

I can't wait

to see what he does

[ripe berry]

wasn't this literally also said during the HG Days to handwave the plotholes away

[strange lance]

I am so sure its just gonna be like "mayak reset everything!" so the rest of the game and book events can work