lore-discussion

[hazy slate]

time to suffer

[snow mauve]

Woah

[hazy slate]

Hey @ocean warren, Would you mind making a short summary version of your theory so it's easier to read and understand?

[ocean warren]

I'll do it. I wanted to do it earlier, but all of that was too much for my head, so I thought I need to release it)). At my time zone it's night, so I'll went out soon.

[hazy slate]

alrighty

[ripe berry]

Random Crackpot Idea I just had that is probably not way true but I'm suggesting it anyways just to mess with people
Every HNHS Level represents a Peterson Family Member
Mya - Stage 1 (I have no reasoning for this particular one)
Theodore - Stage 2 (Stealing Coins from places like a Store (Screw-Loose Hardware Scene in Episode 2), avoiding Cops, and surviving getting hit by a Car)
Aaron - Stage 3 (Most agree Aaron burned down Ted's House and this level is on fire)
Diane - Stage 4 (Death ties and you can see Diane's Grave in the level)
Franklin - Stage 5 (This one feels like the biggest reach but the way Mya falls in stage 5 quite literally mirrors the way Franklin falls and the Crow behaves suspiciously in this particular Stage and not any other Stage (other then Stage 1's Alpha Ending))

the Mya Stage 1 thing was purely because I didn't have any other stage to connect to her when accounting for Ted's Older Brother Franklin (pretending he was canon in the HN1/HNHS Days)

[shell gull]

While I see most of this, some of these are a Stretch (Which makes sense since it’s a Crackpot Theory), but Franklin wasn’t even planned or made as a Character till AS, to me Act 5 is just a sum of everything together at the end, the other Acts make sense though, also there is evidence for Act 1 representing Mya, since she loved Animals if I recall correctly.

[ripe berry]

I only included Franklin just to make it clear I wasn't being completely serious with it (your idea would make more sense, either that or a prototype idea that'd become the Guest)
If there was a less-crackpot version of the idea I'd say it could actually be possible
Also I was thinking retroactively because the Ted one has basically 0 evidence using purely stuff from HN1/HNHS other then the hit by car and survive thing

this is making me go insane because what the hell could HNHS be if not a prequel

it'd likely be some kind of memory, but from who?

Definitely not Diane, she's both dead before the game even ends or the first game begins and wouldn't be present for Stages 2-5

can't be Nicky since he isn't even inside Ted's House during ANY of these events

plus he's ONLY in Stage 1

Crow feels too far-fetched no matter what

although technically possible

because Alpha Ending, the fact there's a Crow in every stage, and the fact the Crow is shown grabbing the Mya Doll in the Reveal Trailer

can't be Mya since she's dead when HN1 Begins and this is if HNHS is NOT a prequel

Ted? Can't be as he wouldn't be present for Stage 2 or 3

guessing that leaves Aaron

but the Credits throw that idea off as there's no proof Aaron saw Ted bury Mya-

wait a minute...

I know Keyarts aren't reliable

BUT-

also gonna point out how in the ending to HNHS we're looking through a fence so it's possible- (Welcome to if HNHS isn't a prequel talk, for what even started me to do this go to this message #lore-discussion message)

I'm pretty sure 22381 was a pass for the now defunct 1003063.com

Also just to help you out... Ted's House burning down being irreversible is factually incorrect

in Hello Neighbor: Reset Day Ted's House still exists

[sinful flint]

it was awesome

the jealousy is crazy...

[ripe berry]

and the intro bit to Reset Day, when accounting for known info about the GAAP, is placed in 2021, with the story itself happening in
May 2022 for Most of the World
November 2021 for Raven Brooks

it's also been confirmed Act 3 is in 2017

(I don't know where it was confirmed, but I know a user named Tiny Crow does)

probably somewhere on Reddit or a old Discord post

or one of the like 5 QnAs I haven't bothered to fully sit through

(Or digging through tinyCrow's messages about how Nikita said it's in 2017 looking for a image of the message apparently Nikita had said something like "Act 3 was the year the game released" (which is still 2017))

knew it was a QnA (found this much digging through old messages trying to find the source for the Act 3 2017 statement)

now I just gotta track down which QnA it is

only thing I can confirm is the QnA is likely from Early 2021

Either way: Act 3 is December 2017 apparently
Reset Day is Novmeber 2021 (in RB)/Like May or Summer 2022 in the outside world

not invalidating the entire thing, purely just pointing out flaws to help you with it

[shell gull]

Mostly just that after HNHS was when The Guest was starting to be active.

[ripe berry]

I agree with Act 2's canon ending being trampoline, as most don't realize this but in the ending cutscene Nicky runs to the right and then towards his house

it's more visible if you glitch the camera (at least this is possible on Xbox) using Binoculars

basically cutscene camera gets zoomed out if you are using Binoculars when triggering a cutscene

[hazy slate]

Nicky saw the tapes from Mya's video recorder

aka

He witnessed the death

[shell gull]

I think it’s pretty obvious Nikita was trolling lol, he was trying to jokingly gaslight.

[manic dirge]

Little bit of trolling

[strange lance]

Hnvr actually shows Ted trying to fix the hole in the fence with wooden boards (its even one of his tasks) on the same side of the house as in act 2. So its the board ending thats canon as it makes the most logical sense and has actual evidence.

Big trampoline doesn't make sense (and is very goofy) and unlocking a big gate never happens

[manic dirge]

Either that or he just runs through the front entrance

Could work either way

But the hole in the fence is most logical

[strange lance]

Nicky escapes to the backyard through the the hatch door. The backyard has tall fences with no way over, just the hole in the wall. Which is a nice detail

So its like a mini act 2

But the real deal

With the one exit being the hole

Boom

[manic dirge]

Yea

I also have a little theory (which prob isn’t true) but in the hnvr ending when Aaron gets dragged into the nest he could’ve been brought back from the nest and the hn2 intro starts.

[ripe berry]

lol yeah
Was just messing around with the idea to see what would come out of it

[shell gull]

Ik lol

[ripe berry]

this depends on if Manifestation Theory is true
If yes - sorry but no
If no - possible

[strange lance]

Theres lots of evidence for it but for me the nail in the coffin is them removing the statue (which is important to the manifestation) from the park in the AS, showing that thing is not part of the AS story. If it wasn't important they wouldn't have needed to remove it

[steady nest]

You mean the guest statue with the eyes covered?

[strange lance]

the park mascot statue yes

in the AS its a fountain now, which actually used to be there in the beta version of HE

didn't have the apple on top though

[ocean warren]

Something to add...
I was suspecting that locks position in end of Act 1 resembles tree structure. Now, I look on Act 3 house... With each act Neighbor's house is getting bigger. The golden apple tree grow up fully after three hours, and in game there's **three **houses.

From down to up:
Green lock - first floor
Yellow lock - second floor
Red lock - that yellow box thing, that can symbolize golden apple

[ripe berry]

imagine AS was working with Beta HE

but yeah them not showing it in the Past Park automatically means at the very least the lore around the Guest isn't the same between AS and past media

[low karma]

Who likes Fortnite like Neighbor

[ripe berry]

since they could come up with some stupid thing to add it and explain why it's added to the present park

[manic dirge]

Good observation!

[ripe berry]

but unless it just for some reason appears and disappears at random for the past park which I'm willing to believe they'd do
yeah no I don't need to finish this sentence

[ripe berry]

very good observation
(and then people will immediately point out the flaws with the theory when discussing it with things like "oh yeah the Board ending is canon because HNVR" or "sorry but Ted's House canonically DOES get repaired in Reset Day", now time to see someone point out a flaw because even tho I don't see one I KNOW someone will find one somehow)

[manic dirge]

wait so how repaired does teds house get

how do we know it got repaired

[ripe berry]

lemme get a image from the book

[manic dirge]

all i remember is scaffolding at the side of the house

and his house was vandalized

saying "murderer, omen, and cursed."

[ripe berry]

House looks like this in the Book

[ripe berry]

either that or a retcon occured

[manic dirge]

oh are you talkng about when his house burned down

[ripe berry]

ye

[manic dirge]

i think its highly unlikely that his whole house got rebuilt

[ripe berry]

the guy referenced Ted's House burning down being "irreversible"

[manic dirge]

wait who?

[ripe berry]

that was what the "Ted's House get's canonically repaired" thing was on about

[manic dirge]

ok then. i think they might have retconed how bad his house burned

[ripe berry]

at the very end of nickpuppet's original essay thing

[ripe berry]

at the very least they had to do that

if not retcon the house burning altogether

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

and the HND Tutorial Level is unreliable at best

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

they didn't bother making Nicky a Adult for that so why'd they bother changing Ted's House to be burnt down for the level

especially when most wouldn't pay much attention to it

[manic dirge]

wait is teds house burned in the start of HND

[ripe berry]

no

but as I said

[manic dirge]

ah ok

[ripe berry]

they didn't bother changing Nicky's Model for the Tutorial Level

so what says they'd use a model of HN1 Act 3's Ted's House for somegthing only the most attentive people would look at

[manic dirge]

yea

[snow mauve]

Too much effort honestly

[manic dirge]

An Aaron trilogy peterson house layout would be cool

[ripe berry]

you really think they have a somewhat consistent layout between books?

[manic dirge]

do they have one between one book

like bad blood

[steady nest]

We do have this guesy imagery

[ocean warren]

I think burned house could symbolize the idea that no one will come back inside. Ted seems to be around in 'Reset Day', so that can explain why house still stands.

When you ask people to describe what "home" means to them, the answer can be that home is a place, where memories are created & kept (going back to blue color relation with memory, because Nicky's house is locked on blue key in Act 3). Nicky, while facing his fears, tries to remember good things about his childhood: HN1 ending's soundtrack is called "Nostalgia". Memories are preserved, because Nicky himself remained. Petersons house is destroyed, and Ted's & Aaron's fate left unknown (well, except that, unlike Nicky, Ted can't meet own fears in the eyes, because good memories are "gone" with house). This is their family's fate: to disappear. There's no one left, who would return home...

[manic dirge]

Also Ted’s “death” was disclosed

He was drowned by the guest

And then possessed

He either died while being drowned or died while being possessed during the period GN2 and reset day

Which is at the least 22 years

[shell gull]

Uh, whole Ted is Dead thing is possible but his body would be rotting, which it isn’t, and is WAY too dark even for the books, this would also throw away E.O.M. Entirely.

Ted being Dead would also disclose many things in the future of the books, half of The Guest plan also gets thrown in the trash with Ted being Dead, so the chances of him being dead in Old Lore is like 10% or lower.

[manic dirge]

Ah

Well that does make sense

[teal imp]

croobian and english???

[manic dirge]

it is interesting

theres a chance

but i doubt it

also if ted was 47 in 1996 he would be 73 in reset da. which is in 2022

if i did my math correctly

[strange lance]

here it is btw

[manic dirge]

i like how hes just struggles to fix the hole in the fence

[strange lance]

he gets so angry after dropping one board then gives up

idiot

[manic dirge]

lmao

[manic dirge]

and if the hole in the fence was the way nicky escaped. then if ted fixed the hole he couldve kept nicky in for a bit longer

[shell gull]

We do know that it’s a Distorted Memory, so taking in that fact, it’s safe to say Nicky escaped but tried to shortcut through the Fence Hole instead of going towards the front.

[shell gull]

I’m actually mixed about this, it could be that it got repaired since there is Cleary scaffolding on the side, but obviously because of the Past it got stopped and instead terrorised, along with The Cult vandalising the place, obvious that they chose to Vandalise it with the one main thing that lead to all the demise, or like said before it’s another retcon.

Along with this a noticeable Theme in HN is if a Building has any sort of Contsruction or Scaffolding around it, then it has been most likely has or been getting some sort of repairs.

[lyric zephyr]

But in any case he ends up right in front outside of the gate running away every single time

[manic dirge]

It’s either the front entrance or the hole in the gate

[shell gull]

Yeah, but we never really get a clear view of where he ran really.

[ripe berry]

The Glitch with Binoculars on Xbox that zooms out your camera showing clearly he ran from the left side of the house:

(again for some reason (possibly due to Xbox still being outdated?) using Binoculars while triggering a cutscene zooms out the camera for the Cutscene on Xbox)

and with it one can see that in the animation Nicky runs from the side the Trampoline is on towards the gate then turns to face his house before the cutscene cuts away from his face

it's TECHNICALLY visible without use of glitches, just easier if you do

[shell gull]

True.

[teal imp]

yay the mid trampoline escape is non canon!!!

[manic dirge]

Well I don’t think that would be a realistic scenario of escaping

That wouldn’t be Nicky’s first thought

[stiff spire]

same

realistically someone would break their legs from the amount of power we could jump in the trampoline in HN1 but it is after all a video game

[pale urchin]

If only they made different scenes for nickys escape...

[light citrus]

this could be something (i doubt it) but during the end of act 2 you see Peterson open the front gate, which would only be possible if it was already unlocked, so it could be that the front gate is the canon ending

[snow mauve]

Trampoline ending better

[tribal talon]

Hello

[crude dew]

the fnaf x venom crossover that everyone asked for (no)

[muted moon]

it is canon, the only games its canonicity is questionable in is current hn2

every other hn game the books are canon to

[manic dirge]

HN2 beta follows the book lore and all of the other games pretty good

[muted moon]

its still a beta though, so it isnt really canon at all, even if it WAS designed to be part of the old lore

hg was designed for the old lore, and obviously that isnt canon

[manic dirge]

eh i consider it more cannon then hn2

[tropic pasture]

whos ted

[rain sluice]

Ted (Theodore) is the neighbor

[snow mauve]

Current hn2 does fit for it's canonicity?

[shell gull]

It is canon, just different Lores.

[strange lance]

Everything is still canon, certain things are just not canon to other media.

Books are not canon to AS/hn2 but are to the other games for example

[snow mauve]

Canon canon

Yuhhhh yuhhh yuhhh

Losing your god damn minds

There is no canonnnn

[main vale]

i dont know what to believe anymore

[lyric zephyr]

HN2 isn't canon to the AS either and vice versa tbf

Literally nothing between them lines up

[manic dirge]

tell that to alex

hes trying to connect them

[lyric zephyr]

Haha

Ha ha ha ha

He’s trying to connect EVERYTHING

[manic dirge]

yep. even though not everything does

[lyric zephyr]

But they aren’t exactly putting in the effort to, properly do that

[manic dirge]

yea

[lyric zephyr]

Instead their way of connecting everything is to rewrite everything that happens!

[manic dirge]

yep. it sucks

[lyric zephyr]

And to bring back a painting that’s been scrapped for 7+ years of what’s meant to be Jesus Christ and turning that into the Neighbor’s long lost brother

[lyric zephyr]

Who I’m still convinced they’re gonna turn into The Guest but that’s just my speculation

[manic dirge]

i dont mind that he has a brother. i do mind that he might turn into the guest

[lyric zephyr]

I do kind of mind it since he already had an established sibling (Lisa) and a best friend around his age (Ike) who’d have worked just as well

Instead they bring back Jesus Christ himself and turn him into a brand new character

[manic dirge]

well ike was alive when theodore was an adult

[lyric zephyr]

Clearly they don’t care about the pre-existing lore though so that wouldn’t matter lol

[manic dirge]

i personally dont think it matters that he has a brother

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah that’s fair

I just
Am so confused why they brought back a 7+ year old scrapped asset of Jesus Christ to turn into his brother

[manic dirge]

well i heard that theodore having a brother was nikitas idea.

[lyric zephyr]

Also in the AS they have that painting of what should apparently be Franklin as an adult even though he, died/disappeared as a teenager/young adult

[lyric zephyr]

Didn’t he say that was a really old idea though?

[manic dirge]

i dont remember

he mightve

[lyric zephyr]

Because it’s never been stated publicly at least except by Alex and the only sibling we rlly know of is Lisa

[manic dirge]

yea true

anyways brb

[fleet viper]

I find it funny I made the painting with a representation of Jesus as Ted's brother in early 2019. Well.. not made but an au or something, idk I made my own guesses with what we had at the time but I'm still shocked 13 year old me thought of that before this came up again

But the teaser made me wonder if his Sister and Ike were still canon

Very confusing things happened during a 2 year break from this game

[lyric zephyr]

To sum it up: The AS writers are taking chunks of old story and making their own new thing with it, even if it doesn't make much sense, and saying that's how the story actually ties together

for better or for worse

Roger and Adelle (Mr Peterson's parents) may not have even built the Mayak in the AS continuity seeing as Ted nor his older brother know anything about it

[stiff spire]

they should've made the portrait of him and the neighbor AS styled

instead of it being ripped from the pre alpha itself

[fleet viper]

That's a good point

[fleet viper]

I was just thinking this too, i loved that detail from the books looking more into the Peterson family

[hazy slate]

It still works because I don't think Lisa is even mentioned in the Aaron books, The entire set is about finding out who Aaron's grandparents were. Franklin doesn't really shock me considering we know so little about the Peterson's extended family.

As much of a hat pull that Franklin is, It does still work.

[rain sluice]

I agree, after all, Ted is super secretive about his life, even in front of his wife, so it "doesn't surprise me" that he had a brother. I just hope they don't actually make him a guest from the teasers, maybe the guest appeared as a result of one of the Petersons being sacrificed.

[hazy slate]

I wouldn't mind if they made him a host for the guest, but I really don't want him to literally be the guest

[rain sluice]

Oh yeah, that sounds interesting too, but if would make a guest of him, it would be just too much

[ripe berry]

same

[opal jackal]

I just realized that the reason why Otto left the cult is probably because the cult killed MJ, and MJ was Otto's only friend

[fleet viper]

True, also Franklin "died" in front of him so I would think it's something he wouldn't like talking about either

[fleet viper]

Omg who's MJ? Is it that guy in the picture? I am so lost with everything rn

[opal jackal]

This is MJ

His missing poster

Photo with Otto

[cold gull]

Is Quentin Mj's replacement?

I'd think he is

[fleet viper]

Ah yes, him

Where'd his name come from tho? Did Alex mention it or something?

[spark tulip]

Yes.

[spark tulip]

The files.

And he's called a "truth seeker" in the RBB website.

[cold gull]

Missing Journalist

MJ

[fleet viper]

Ah

[cold gull]

Hehe

[fleet viper]

Thanks guys

[cold gull]

Yep 😄

[shell gull]

Yes, we’ve known he was his replacement for a while.

[teal imp]

give this guy a hat

[opal jackal]

Wait

Is that a

MJitH model?

[astral agate]

Looks like it

Why does he have no hair?

Mj has hair

[sinful flint]

call that a photto heheh..

[opal jackal]

?

[sinful flint]

photo

otto

[astral agate]

Otto is canonically a photo confirmed /j

[opal jackal]

Oh

[shell gull]

Maybe because it’s an Old Model, MITH Wasn’t always supposed to be M.J.

[tribal talon]

e

[ripe berry]

MitH has hints of hair actually!

some parts of his head are a darker color then his face, indicating there is/was hair there!

[astral agate]

He shaved his head.

[solar mortar]

do you guys think mr peterrson and birdman are same

[opal jackal]

No

[solar mortar]

so why did he appear in the easteregg

where he took of his mask

[opal jackal]

Are you talking about the facial animation test video?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058564244611797024/1211455872866328626/Guest_Neighbor_Anim_Test.mp4?ex=6600b833&is=65ee4333&hm=05949b8238ef485fd84d5ce7deb52f2edfbc2d94cb4da8eeaa176c60e4bc8448&

This?

[stiff spire]

I would like to guess that mith got a buzzcut idk

[astral agate]

I wonder who mith could've been during the hg times

BC he was a really interesting character

By interesting I mean mysterious

[tribal talon]

mysterious man in a guest costume

[teal imp]

thats only in the books

and really early hn2

we dont know if the guest still posses the neighbor

they are separate entities

[teal imp]

ehh

he doesnt really have much tbh

and looking at the extended ending he is kinda pathetic

beatrix easily fights back

and the guest beats the absolute shit out of him

[ripe berry]

friendly reminder that the Guest in Hello Guest is a skinny and probably malnourished ~48 year old man, making this seem even more pathetic

[tribal talon]

does the Animated Series Count As Canon, If It Is Act 3 nicky must not be real in Animated Series Lore.

[muted moon]

the animated series isnt really canon to any games except possibly hn2 fg

[tribal talon]

hn2 school dlc is.

[muted moon]

we dont know for sure, also thats hn2 fg

[tribal talon]

what does FG mean?

[muted moon]

full game

[tribal talon]

oh ok

[manic dirge]

not

well actually alex is trying to connect them both

but i like to ignore that 😀

[muted moon]

alex tries to connect everything to something that obviously doesnt connect

like

he said hn1 act 3 was nicky talking to a therapist

???

and he said that what really happened in act 2 was AS

wrong

we see the same thing happen in hnvr

[tribal talon]

I mean he has to get over the neighbor he literly was terrified and probrobly got ptsd

[muted moon]

he gets over it in his dream

[tribal talon]

in act 4 remember not act 3

[muted moon]

act 4 is kinda like a sub-act

of act 3

[tribal talon]

i guess.

but he was still terrified in early act 3

[muted moon]

yeah but the fear rooms

[tribal talon]

he got over those.

[muted moon]

yeah

theyre part of act 3

[tribal talon]

plus they were just manniquins

the neighbor is seperate.

[muted moon]

yeah, but based on the books his fear of mannequins is directly linked to his fear of the neighbor

[tribal talon]

i dont think the books are in australia man

[muted moon]

also the fear school ending mannequin probably represents the neighbor (based on the books as well)

[tribal talon]

isnt that his bully

[muted moon]

no

he doesnt have a bully

[tribal talon]

in manniquin form

[muted moon]

in the books there was this school ride thing

made by the neighbor

[tribal talon]

or maybe nicky really hates school he scared of kids

[muted moon]

its not fear of school

its fear of a school amusement ride made by the neighbor

[tribal talon]

didnt that break

[muted moon]

no this is a different ride

[tribal talon]

plus how does hn lore make any sense

[muted moon]

hn2 lore is basically non existant

[tribal talon]

hide and seek is when mya falls off

then dies b y roller coaster in act 2

[muted moon]

no

the act 2 rollar coaster represents her falling off the roof

[tribal talon]

ohh yeaaa

i just do speedruns so i forget

i jump over gate by glitches

[manic dirge]

wrong channel

this is for the story of HN

[muted elbow]

When is patch 10 going to drop?

[prisma mountain]

yes

also this is for lore so you should talk in #hello-neighbor for non-story hello neighbor topics

[opal jackal]

We don't know

[rapid meteor]

Similarities Between Ike Quentin Cornelius Gershowitz And Quentin

[strange lance]

where did quentins glasses go

also they probably were meant to be the same person originally

but they forgot that Ike literally dies

[stark timber]

yeah

i like to think they're related or something

[manic dirge]

couldve been when Ike was working

[strange lance]

The park was still operating when Ike was alive

the park is abandoned in hg

along with the rest of the town

and Ted is crazy and dressed as a bird

[manic dirge]

oh true

how long after do you think HG takes place after Teds investigation

[muted moon]

the park didnt even exist when ike was alive

it wasnt built yet

also, hga1 was made specifically to be a testmap for the ai pretty much, so nothing really matters

hgp on the other hand

hgp was made to be a testmap, but became a proper alpha with a story

[cold gull]

They shared the same name

[shell gull]

From what we know they were originally going to be the same person, though now we know Quentin is Norman (At least in Old Lore he is).

[shell gull]

AS is Canon to New Lore, but not Old Lore.

[manic dirge]

He is?

[cold gull]

I thought MiTH was Norman in old lore

[shell gull]

I mean, we’ve known Quentin to be Norman for a bit, short explanation, we know Quentin goes through some sort of Time Loop in Old HN2, Norman somehow knew about the Future, Quentin and Norman have the same description, except Norman is short which is due to Old Age, also Normans Nickname is literally symbolic to Quentin “Puzzlemaster” Quentin ends up stuck in a Time Loop that sent him back in time where he tries to stop Future events by trying to help Teds Parents, fails, tries to help Aaron, fails, and so on.

[shell gull]

Uh no, out of anything Norman barely resembles anything to MITH.

[cold gull]

Okayokay

[manic dirge]

Oh. Cool!

[cold gull]

It now makes sense

[shell gull]

That’s also why RD was said to be connected to Old HN2, it’s all due to Time Loops, Norman/Quentin was the first Victim of a Time Loop.

[manic dirge]

RD?

[shell gull]

Reset Day

[manic dirge]

Oh yeah

Well that sounds like a cool plot for HN

[shell gull]

Aaron discribes Norman as: Backwards Hat, Wears a Coat, Has Glasses, Long Nose, and most intriguing is that he finds him Familiar, like they’ve met before (Which they have since Aaron has seen Quentin, and also since Quentin is stuck in a Loop).

[manic dirge]

Oh crap. i dont remember Aaron saying that in the book

although its been awhile since I read them.

[shell gull]

Yeah, this was the original narrative of Quentin ending up in the worst Place, in New Lore it was because he ended up being a replacement for M.J. In Old Lore because he wanted to make a Name for himself so he signed up for a Project, but sadly no matter what Quentin ends up in the one place that ruins his life forever, Raven Brooks.

[manic dirge]

sounds more interesting imo

[shell gull]

It’s there.

[shell gull]

Agreed.

Also something to take in is Norman knew about the Red Key and Nicky before Nicky even moved in, Almost like he knew about their Past and had investigated in the Future to learn about the Red Key,

[manic dirge]

I wish that we got to see that version of HN2

[shell gull]

Yeah, also this explains what they meant by some Time Sequence in Old HN2, the End of the Game was going to be Quentin going back in Time.

[manic dirge]

And they have remade HN2 so many times. there could've been even more versions of HN2 lore

That we wont ever know what they are about

[shell gull]

Feel bad for Quentin, imagine being forced to watch the same bad stuff happen again and over again knowing you can’t alter it, stuck watching it forever, watching yourself make the horrible choice of going to RB, watching the same people fall to the same stuff, knowing that no matter how hard you try you can’t stop what happens.

[shell gull]

Yeah definitely.

Gtg

[manic dirge]

Cya 👋

[muted moon]

there are a few we know a bit about

theres that weird hgp roller coaster thing

theres some other weird thing about the neighbor going missing and the guest taking over (hn2a1 was the very first idea for the fg of hn2)

[manic dirge]

which was meh

[muted moon]

theres rotm (which is NOT connected to hg, its likely the second idea for a hn2 fg)

[manic dirge]

which is ok but time loop HN2 is better

[muted moon]

we dont even know the rotm story really

all we know is neighbor goes insane, he links a windmill structure up to mayak, and causes a big storm

oh theres some sort of story going on with hga1 (post credits scene, the weird lightning on mayak in the hg trailer, visitor den and funicular tutorial)

but literally all of the hg story was removed

before the alpha even released

[shut kite]

alternate story?

[timid laurel]

I have a new theory. As you know, at the end of the second part of Hello Neighbor, the neighbor was crushed by a raven. If you have walked the line with the Guest, you know that the Guest is a crow. And because of this, I think that the raven is the worst enemy for a neighbor. But - in the game Hello Guest, the character Guest remained a crow. (Oddly enough, lol). And I think that in the third part, the main part of the attention will be the Guest and the Neighbor. If I'm wrong, correct me! I will be very glad if you are kind to me and tell me whether this is true or not.

[timid laurel]

Sorry if I wrote in the wrong place, I'm new to the server and I might get confused. This is my first time writing theories, so forgive me! Also, I am writing through a translator. But I'm learning English! Thanks to the kind server members if you can help me solve this theory! If I'm wrong, answer, I'll try to answer too (toward)!

[strange lance]

I love lore

[manic dirge]

Lore is peak

[spark tulip]

The lore...

[strange lance]

Where is the lore master

Tiny crow..

[manic dirge]

Time loop Norman/quentin is peak

[strange lance]

I think its cool. Most people I see just say ugh time loop and don't go deeper than that, which is a shame cause it really improves Quentins character

Hes in a loop trying to constantly help Aaron but never can

[glad hornet]

ugh time loop

[strange lance]

Knowing hes gonna die

[manic dirge]

Yeah and it made sense to make Quentin Norman

Quentin fits his book description

[strange lance]

Its quite literally the same description but hes just smaller lol

[manic dirge]

Yeah

[spark tulip]

Ohhhhhh, the looooreee!

[manic dirge]

There was probably so many other cool hn2 story’s that we never got to see. Due to the game being remade so many times

[spark tulip]

I wonder what they're doing to Guest here.

It's clearly in the church, too.

[strange lance]

Dance party

[spark tulip]

So true..

[glad hornet]

the best plot line

[strange lance]

Reminder that Ted canonically makes drones that have death lasers to kill the kids

I love HEs lore bits

[astral agate]

who could blame him

[manic dirge]

Fun

[timid laurel]

My theory. The theory is that the first house in HN2 (the neighbor's house from the first act of the first part) is not his house. Why? Because: As you remember, in the first part of the first act, our character’s house was shown in its entirety. Yes, the character was an adult at that time, he was between 5-12 years old. (Based on the average age). But even after we see a completely broken house in the third act, we still see a house. The house was without a treehouse. However, as we know, that house was abandoned. After all, in fact, the house that was in Act 3 (the main character’s house) was broken, and the house that was after the cutscene where the main character woke up is still not similar to the new one. But HN2, as we know, is not an alternative reality. Here's an explanation. I write as many theories as I can. I don’t know if it’s true, but considering all the listed facts, it may be true that the neighbor did not stay in the same place. but if HN2 is still an alternative reality, correct me. I will be grateful!

[muted moon]

They just retconned things

Like they added a tree house to Nick's house

[timid laurel]

Yes, maybe this is the right decision. It may even be that the neighbor's son built it. But this is not true, because in fact, the neighbor kept him locked in the basement behind the castle, also in the museum, where the exit was through the roof. But the fact that they made a logical puzzle with a tree is perfect. Respect to the developers.

[strange lance]

Nickys treehouse was planned all the way back in hnvr (before hn2 fg was being made) hn2 fg just added it after hnvr made it

Also that not what a retcon is

Well I guess it is since he never had one originally

[thin wadi]

Brutal

[shell gull]

No it’s the same house.

[manic dirge]

Guys its official! I'm the new lore master!

||not||

[cursive compass]

its simple hello neighbor 1 was all a dream only act 1 is canon then neighbor will catch us and then we see his missing poster in hello neighbor 2

at first the things happened in hello neighbor hide and seek are all canon hello neighbor 1 only act 1 is canon and hello neighbor 2 we have missing poster of nicky but we don't see him with aron

[woeful orchid]

I'm pretty sure Alex confirmed that act 1 and act 2 is how Nicky remembered the events of AS. And he tells it to a psychologist

[quick dagger]

Yep. Act 1 and Act 2 are distorted memories (Act 2 more so), Act 3 and Finale is a nightmare where Nicky finally confronts his fears.

[safe charm]

I’m not sure hn1 is even canon

Anymore like the current version of the game

[quick dagger]

i know, but that's how it was

[safe charm]

The books kinda retconned hn1 tbf lol before AS

Well more hide and seek

[quick dagger]

honestly, I was pleasantly surprised with the Act 1 change in the books

[safe charm]

The neighbor isn’t a normal father in book 1

While he is a normal father in hide and seek

I really can’t make it work together

[quick dagger]

it is sad how a lot of things clash

[safe charm]

Well tbh I wouldn’t mind if they made hide and seek a standalone story

Because I do think the book version is more interesting

[safe charm]

Now pre alpha painting is somewhat canon

lol

Alex outright said it’s canon

[quick dagger]

that was the last thing i was expecting honestly.

[safe charm]

Yeah

I doubt they will go the hide and seek route in AS because like mr Peterson saw his brother disintegrate in front of his eyes

So he probably Isnt normal after that

[safe charm]

Do you prefer mr Peterson being more of an villian over tragic family man

I honestly do I used to prefer the latter

But I just think it’s kinda boring tbh

[quick dagger]

I personally preferred the latter. Not to say i don't like how he's been recently protrayed in the AS.

[safe charm]

I’m talking books too

He was more of a villain in it

Tragic yes but also evil somewhat during the end of the Nicky trilogy

[quick dagger]

i need to re-read the books and get reset day.\

[safe charm]

His family is outright afraid of him in book 1 lol

[quick dagger]

i mean i understand it with what he does

[manic dirge]

Act 2 is the only distorted memory

[quick dagger]

ah right

[teal imp]

tbh ted even the way he was depicted in older games

ted is not a good person

locking his kid in the basement is child abuse

then he kidnaps another kid too and holds him there for months

just look at the state of nicky in act 2

he had a rough time there

[safe charm]

Well I’m talking before his family disappeared

Mostly

Like he was just a good father nothing wrong with him

[soft willow]

sogl

[tacit meadow]

it wasnt for bad reason, he did that to keep aaron safe from the police, anyone

[cold gull]

Good intentions or not, it's still child abuse, and there's no actual justification to the way he acts

Ted needs ✨Therapy✨

Or to be locked up somewhere where he can heal everything he's in his head

[shell gull]

Ehhh not really, hates his own Son, gets mad at his Family especially his own Wife.

[manic dirge]

He was just born that way

Messed up in the head

[shell gull]

Kinda yeah, Ted was always easy to get through, so all of the stuff that happens to him slowly made him go to insanity.

[manic dirge]

Yeah

Could you list the times he’s done stuff in the books that was just messed up. I don’t remember much

[muted moon]

even in the book lore act 1 was a distorted memory

he wakes up after act 1 ends

so its presumably just his rough memory of book 3

[muted moon]

book 1 came out before hide and seek released

[muted moon]

in the aaron trilogy he acts fairly normal and isnt abusive

[safe charm]

So

Why are they so inconsistent lol

[muted moon]

because the person who wrote the books and the people who made the games are not the same person

[safe charm]

That’s only in the books

Not hide and seek he clearly loves his son in hide and seek

[muted moon]

we only see him interact with his son like once in hide and seek

and in book 1 when nicky was around he acted fairly kind

[safe charm]

Yeah true

I just don’t know if he’s supposed to be insane yet

Or not

[muted moon]

he was insane but he was able to get most of it behind him

[safe charm]

Was he insane in Aaron trilogy too

[muted moon]

not really

he only started after the end of the aaron trilogy

[safe charm]

Well the home video took place during Aaron trilogy

[muted moon]

it didnt

[safe charm]

The one where Aaron turns of the music

Oh

[muted moon]

the aaron trilogy took place 3 years before the nicky trilogy

we can assume after aaron pretty much cursed the family with bad luck that he became insane (end of aaron trilogy)

[safe charm]

I wonder why Nicky said it’s news he was nuts while he was building the gaap after watching the tape

I guess he means

He talking to Enzo earlier and not the tape

[muted moon]

im pretty sure the bad omen thing happened when the neighbor looked back at pictures of aaron

[safe charm]

Yeah

[muted moon]

and he started to "connect" the nonexistant dots

[safe charm]

Yeah

[safe charm]

I wonder how he was in AS before his family died

Since he did see his brother die as a kid

And I assume his parks killed people like in the books

[muted moon]

AS neighbor seems to have been actually normal before his family died

[muted moon]

yeah

lucy yi death still happened

idk about the others though

[safe charm]

I mean the car crash scene could have been trinity

Imagination

It feels dreamy

Like

Like it’s her interpretation of the car crash

[manic dirge]

We have no evidence for that

[shell gull]

What? He only talks to him once in HS nice to him, trying to get him to leave while he’s on the Phone, anything after that is just him being mad at him.

[safe charm]

True so you think it was planned?

Already

While hide and seek developed

[shell gull]

I mean, HS was supposed to be sad for the Player, make Teds life seem miserable, while in actual reality the whole Family was doing horrible.

[safe charm]

I wonder how the usual day

Actually was

Was Ted mostly normal or mostly weird and just sometimes normal?

[shell gull]

He would randomly tick into being weird yes.

[manic dirge]

Ted was always a weird guy

[muted moon]

During the Aaron trilogy he seemed actually mentally stable

[manic dirge]

Still just kind of a strange guy

[polar epoch]

Ted was not weird he had trauma from his childhood of frank’s death till both of his family members died

[manic dirge]

I’m talking about in the books

[snow mauve]

Nooby doesn't know

He's def weird

[polar epoch]

No he is not Depkins

[snow mauve]

He is

Read the books

Little nooby

Also watch the animated peak

[spice pasture]

hello

[snow mauve]

NO

It's hello overrrrr

[spice pasture]

wt?

NEW!!!

[astral agate]

No?

[snow mauve]

I believe you mean

OLD

[astral agate]

That's from ep 1

[snow mauve]

I love misinformation

[astral agate]

Same bro

[spice pasture]

watch new trailer

[snow mauve]

Nah

Shitty

[manic dirge]

Lore

[muted moon]

ok an actual serious question why the hell does the neighbor have a portal to guestworld in his basement

[cold gull]

Is this something that happens in book lore? Or AS lore?

Cuz if it's book's, maybe it was like the Guest's fault? Like, he seems to be against ted at all times, probably thought of "oh, let's ruin teddy's life by creating a portal in his huge basement so i can bully him haha lol"

Or idk, i'm very lost too

Probably it's a metaphor from HNVR to show Ted's fear of the guest, or Ted running away from his guilty feeling while running in his own basement as the world seems to tear apart in the process

I dunno

I've always seen HN as a franchise who portrays events with a touch of emotional representation in a way it can't be taken literally

Like HN1, Nicky does everything by himself to reach the basement, so:

In book lore, HN1 portrays the feeling of rejection Nicky felt from his Friends because of being excluded from EMU, and not having his bestie Aaron for a while.

While in the AS, HN1 portrays Nicky's feeling of abandonment because all of his friends were too afraid to help him reach his goal of being important maybe (since AS doesn't actually show Nicky's personal purpose for breaking into ted's house unlike the book, in AS it seems likely, that he wants to feel important and relevant enough)

Probably same thing happens with HNVR, maybe it's not at all a portal in the basement, but a representation of Ted's guilt, or fear for the unknown

Whatever it is, it must make Ted feeling like the world is being twisted, and destroyed

[muted moon]

in hnvr the neighbor uses it kinda like a prison for aaron, nicky, and the rescue squad

so if its the guests fault then he would be trying to help him i guess

[teal imp]

I sorta dout the guest world is real

I feel its just the kids imagination or smth

[shell gull]

Because, The Nest is a physical world that is growing, you can enter The Nest through Gateways of any kind, and since Teds basement has thousands of Gateways of Gateways it’s a Hotspot for The Nest to be in.

[shell gull]

No kinda but not really, Yes The Guest has been lurking in the Underground, due to the fact there are so many entrances, it’s become his Main Area.

[shell gull]

To make a better explanation, we know that any sort of Gateway, Doors, Holes, Closets anything that leads to something, can become a Gateway to The Nest as The Nest expands, so since the Underground is filled with all sorts of Gateways it basically becomes the Common Hotspot for The Nest, pretty much why half of the Underground has become The Nest just you don’t realise it since both The Nest and Underground are both wacky, so you could’ve stumbled into The Nest down there but not even realise it, thankfully no one has ended up in the Deep End of The Nest, except for Aaron since The Guest dragged him to trap him there.

[ripe berry]

My personal AS Timeline:
Ancient Curse Placed
RB Founded
(New Lore) Adelle and Roger Peterson build Mayak and conduct experiments in it
Adelle and Roger find a pit to (New Lore) Guest World
Group of people Imma call the OCM (Old Cult Members) find out about the Pit
Unknown Incident
Adelle and Roger cover up the existence of the pit and their research
Franklin Peterson Born, Keith Newsom Born(?)
Theodore Peterson, Gerda, Mayor, Leslie Kornwell, and Principal Valeria Abanante are born
Peterson's Stick Together Teaser
Halloween Incident
(Unknown: Quentin and Beatrix are born, Beatrix goes Missing)
Theo/Ted/Theodore marries Diane
Aaron Peterson and Nicky Roth are born
Mya Peterson is Born
GAAP Incident
HNHS (New Lore version)
AS Season 1 + Episodes 7-8
Middle School shut down
MJ goes Missing
HN2 Intro/Back to School/Late Fees/Episode 9
HN2 + LayoutV2 + Patch 9
rest of AS

[cold gull]

Cool 😋

[sullen rune]

I am a very big fan of hello guest please give its Android link pls plss

[snow mauve]

NEVERRRR

Now silence little jimmy

Take this instead

[fleet viper]

Ahahaha

[manic dirge]

Wrong channel

😐

[stiff spire]

I ate the android link

||/j||

[opal steeple]

how was it?

did you at least use seasoning?

[unkempt oar]

wait

there's a new trailer?

[manic dirge]

Nah

[unkempt oar]

oh

[stiff spire]

yeah I did

I used a bit of old content

[pale urchin]

Android guest I a it's big pls fan plss give please hello am link

[barren tulip]

I just need to ask something is the guest apart or not apart of the Forest Protectors?

[ripe berry]

it's complicated

[snow mauve]

He is just using them

He will eventually abandon them which is kinda obvious

The cultists (forest protectors) praise him as some god

[sage obsidian]

SN; #1047331898705326130
HN1/HND/H&S; #1047329556127825930
HN2; #1047329742577209354
HNVR; #1110625789566787584
HE; #1068183888687546408

[sage obsidian]

Hey lore experts. Is there any information about the Golden apple factory? Like what's inside, the story or anything?
I'm just curious to know, and might need it for something sooner or later. Thank you

[rain sluice]

so this factory used to be a very successful factory producing sweets, the so-called golden apples. It was owned by the Tavish family, which according to the books is the mayor of RB. The Tavishes had been funding weather research at RB led by Ted's parents, and after their research began to touch the cultists dangerously, the Tavishes cut off Ted's parents' financial support, and they then allegedly set fire to the entire factory in revenge. However, the factory was reconstructed and profitable again. After that, in the interest of greater popularity, they hired Ted to put up an amusement park on their behalf and thus put RB on the map. However, after Lucy's death, the park and with it the factory went bankrupt. That's the story, the factory is located in the forest, a small railway leads to it, there is a cellar under the factory, which you can enter into the underground passages under Raven Brooks. One part of the factory is offices, there is a lot of abandoned electronics, the other part is the candy factory itself.

[spring prairie]

what about no

[sage obsidian]

Thank you so much Shagi! Very helpful

[finite hawk]

What about the factory? all I know is there is an unused map in HN1 called you guessed it Fear_Factory

[muted moon]

nicky and aaron would go to it when they used to hang out, they used it for picklocking practice, as well as playing the tapes inside and making machines out of the old electronics and parts scattered around the various rooms

[grizzled spoke]

people actually understand the LORE of this game?!

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-miles-morales-miles-shocked-surprise-gif-13646668700392851337

[muted moon]

no way theres a community???????

this is so strange!!!!!111

[tulip prism]

WAIT NO WAY THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE SERVER

I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE

lol

[manic dirge]

Well yes

Quite simple. There's 2 timelines

[silver cargo]

I think it was playable in Beta 3.

You were in a kind of "factory" and had to throw a basketball so that the puppets wouldn't catch you.

I think that's pretty much how it was.

[teal imp]

well I would say 3

the games, the books and the animated series

the games dont fit into either all too well

but it takes pieces from both if that makes sense?

[manic dirge]

The games fit fine with the books. Only one that doesn’t really connect is HN2 fg

H&S is just partially retconned

[safe charm]

Also theres a possibity they dont know yet if AS is connected with the games or not adam at least thinks so

So far Feels like AS will be a seperate Thing like the Books but still be important to the games

[manic dirge]

Adam thinks the show is connected? When did he say that?

[safe charm]

Yesterday

[manic dirge]

Oh cool!

[thin wadi]

Adam isn't directly involved with the production of the AS, so don't take his word as confirmation, just his opinion. (He probably is right though)

[manic dirge]

I know

[thin wadi]

Just making sure

[safe charm]

So um I hope they don’t make AS be in the game universe completely if it’s true

[shell gull]

No, they’ve already made it clear since the Post Mortem of HN2 that AS is not connected to most Games prior it’s release, anything from AS that mentions something from Games or tries to copy towards is just interpretation, for example Ep 6 is called Search and Rescue but has nothing connected to it, it’s just a reference and interpretation to continue the story, or Nicky’s escape Etc, this is because AS is a separate Pipeline from the Games, that to at least be as close as possible for the Writers take reference from both Books and Games (that’s like saying because the Cult is in AS means that the Books are canon to AS, no they just snatched the idea and then made their own interpretation), Adam isn’t directly involved with AS, and hasn’t been working with the team for over a Year, he was just saying that if they are still trying to figure out the canon and how AS Season 2 goes he wouldn’t be surprised, he’s not saying anything there just saying some stuff.

[safe charm]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Even if they tried to connect the Games to AS it’s already too late, the Lores have already been established and AS has already pushed itself too far from the Games, Alex is still trying to use AS Lore to make up for it, but he already established it as well.

(For example everything in the Games are a distorted memory, which in itself doesn’t make sense).

[safe charm]

Yeah even hn2 doesn’t fully connect

With AS

[spark tulip]

Probably later.

[safe charm]

Nah

Maybe in some parts

[spark tulip]

The events should be the exact same.

[shell gull]

Exactly, because the Game was supposed to be Old Lore but like I’ve said before they are only trying to change every one of their big Games to AS for example SN and HN2, and since they had the Dev Team change the Story out of nowhere a lot of it is funky and off.

[safe charm]

They should stop trying to force it in instead take ideas from new lore and integrate it not try to twist the games narrative

[shell gull]

Reason for them changing only their big Games, for Popularity in AS, no need to put money to get the other Games changed, just get the biggest Games changed to have people watch the Show.

[shell gull]

Yeah there was no need for SN or HN2 to be New Lore, they should’ve just let those Games be what they are and then have Future projects like Remakes be in the other Lore.

While trying to keep as close to the original as possible.

[safe charm]

Hn2 shouldn’t have to relay on AS as much as it does

Currently

[shell gull]

Only need was popularize the Show.

[spark tulip]

The show relies on HN2, actually.

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s fair.

[safe charm]

Sure

[spark tulip]

This has been stated multiple times.

[shell gull]

That’s also true yeah.

[spark tulip]

The AS wraps around HN2's story.

[safe charm]

So

[spark tulip]

"Directly connected" means the same events.

[safe charm]

Still AS story execution is 100 percent better then hn2 execution of the story

[spark tulip]

We haven't even seen much of HN2's story yet?

[shell gull]

Quite literally Alex had the Devs follow a a set of things so that they can make a certain Story for Season 2, they had to first get HN2 to be a certain way so they could make that Script.

[snow mauve]

Oh no

Guestyyy is still here

Nooooooo

[shell gull]

Anyways I gtg

[snow mauve]

Guys HN2 is connected with AS!

How i know this is because

Everything is connected

Look at the 2022 Alex messages!

[ripe berry]

HN2 and AS are at least partly connected... so I can use AS as evidence for HN2 theories and vice-versa then

since Alex had to have the HN2 Story changed to make AS align with it

[sweet thistle]

Can The Guest mimic voices?

[snow mauve]

Yuh

[sweet thistle]

How?

[snow mauve]

He's a creature

What ya expect

He can do anything like shape shift

[sweet thistle]

Does he mimic the voice of his victims

[snow mauve]

Sure

[sweet thistle]

Or the victims loved ones?

[sweet thistle]

Still is a nice touch

[shell gull]

Uh no, he has a Voice, but he doesn’t mimic.

He’s a manipulator.

[snow mauve]

He is

The Mimic

So technically..

[sweet thistle]

Fnaf reference?

[sweet thistle]

He just caws

[muted moon]

in gn2 he speaks english

[sweet thistle]

????

Huh

[muted moon]

he then mocks the girl i forgot the name of

[sweet thistle]

What is gn2?

[muted moon]

grapghic novel 2

[stark timber]

the raven brooks disaster

[stark timber]

here's the guest talking

[sweet thistle]

Ohhhh
His voice would be raspy and croaky

[muted moon]

the wavy dark speech bubbles imply it would be more of a dark voice

like a really deep one

[sweet thistle]

Deep raspy and croaky voice

[muted moon]

yeah probably

maybe a bit wavy as well

idk what a wavy voice would be

[sweet thistle]

And maybe mimic voices of victims

[muted moon]

actually he can

he does it once

in gn2

he mimics one of the main characters siblings

voices and appearance

[wicked heath]

Strangely enough, someone made a video of him using a voice deep like the Ink Demon for the Guest, and even tho it doesnt fit with his croaks, it somehow fits with his divine persona

I can imagine this sort of voice in S&R.

[sweet thistle]

Can you show me?

[sweet thistle]

THE ink Demon from Batdr?

[wicked heath]

yeah

[rugged lance]

What this dose not make since.

[wicked heath]

whar

[ocean warren]

I compared intro of HN2 beta & full game: https://youtu.be/tXepo12YJkU

• Quentin take pictures of Guest capturing doll; Quentin take pictures of Ted grabbing Aaron to the house.
• After that, Guest goes after Quentin; Ted goes after Quentin.
• Quentin dodges from Ted's car on the road; Quentin dodges from Guest on the road.

Interestingly Ted's car has crow symbolic: in HN2 there's puzzle requiring crow statue to open hood, in HN1 trunk door has crow symbol (in sequel too, I guess).
It would be interesting, if Guest had his bag in intro (maybe one day he will), because this design include **red ** sleeves: color of Ted's car is red. It's like bag is car's trunk...

[ripe berry]

he's back at it again

[manic dirge]

Yep

[shell gull]

No he speaks.

[shell gull]

It’s implied he has a dark toned voice like whispers.

[snow mauve]

tbh i imagine the guest speaking while making those clicking sounds at the same time

[sweet thistle]

That would be scary enough

[sweet thistle]

Oh that's more scary

[sweet thistle]

That would be a good voice

[silver cargo]

Didn't know that Guest was from South Africa.

[atomic trail]

Do yall know wheres the lever is by the Police im on ps5

[snow mauve]

There's a lever to pull next to the bed

[atomic trail]

Thanks

[opal jackal]

Insanity

[ripe berry]

wonder what you'll pull out next...

[opal jackal]

I wonder how he comes up with the most insane stuff ever

[safe charm]

I still can’t believe they scrapped the beta intro if it’s true it was supposed to be used

In the full game originally

[opal jackal]

Quentin falling into the barn....

I miss it

[oblique drum]

quentin...yeah right...

it was definetly meant to be quentin

nobody else. i promise.

[opal jackal]

Bro

I swear

[oblique drum]

shhhhhh

[opal jackal]

Are you

[ripe berry]

and even with some minor errors with known info this insanity can't quite be ruled out...

[safe charm]

Too bad they scrapped it for whatever reason

[opal jackal]

Are you trying to say it was Norman?

[safe charm]

Beta made it sound like it was gonna continue

[oblique drum]

im not trying to say anything

[opal jackal]

Oh

[safe charm]

By saying to be continued at the end

[opal jackal]

Good...

[ripe berry]

also Barn Tutorial almost certaintly was a early version of the Missing journalist

[ripe berry]

they used Quentin to avoid spoilers but there's no way you're telling me the Barn Tutorial doesn't align with the Missing Journalist's... "final hours"... shown in the Blue Tape

[safe charm]

Can’t wait for it

To not be continued

[opal jackal]

And there's also the placeholder paper with the "Journalist Disappeared" text

[oblique drum]

I WONDER WHO THAT COULD BE

[opal jackal]

MJ

[oblique drum]

sghhhhhhhh

[opal jackal]

:trol:

[ripe berry]

it's not 1:1... but it may be a early idea for MJ's disappearance

[ripe berry]

this proves MJ, in a somewhat modern form of himself, existed at this point in development

[ripe berry]

this paper probably wasn't used in-game as
A. it's unfinished
and B. it could count as a spoiler

but then we found it in the files anyways

[opal jackal]

Yep

[ripe berry]

remember the HN2 Beta was said to be spoiler free, so you have to look at it through the context of "what could be changed/unused here to avoid spoilers"

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[manic dirge]

I never thought of that.

[tribal talon]

Birb.

[thin wadi]

Why isn't this channel imbir-discussion :(

[velvet fossil]

fixed

[thin wadi]

👌

[safe charm]

Afro as you is a graphic novel 2 fan

You Will be happy to know a lot of People are discovering it

[thin wadi]

🔥

Gn2 is getting the credit it deserves

Its a really well crafted graphic novel

[safe charm]

Many are saying how well drawn it is

[thin wadi]

Yeah!

Thats another thing I really liked about gn2

The artsyle was really cool

[safe charm]

And Many are saying the guest is a cool antagonist

[thin wadi]

I still kind of wish they never scrapped old guest lore. Iirc Alex thought the old story was too confusing so he changed it, but now seeing how outsiders (and insiders) really like gn2 guest its ashame we never got more

[safe charm]

I mean they could make new guest in hn2 be closer to the original version if they see people liking it

[subtle turret]

New Lore Unlocked 🔓:Imbir!

[opal steeple]

alright theory, what if imbir is actually the man in the hat? theres some clues left in hello imbir 2...

[subtle turret]

Leaked Imbir https://youtube.com/shorts/-6LUKpe7Jz0?si=IzjH1rlCxUHBsJrK

[ruby patio]

Hey guys

[stiff spire]

hi

[manic dirge]

LOOOOOORIMBIR

[subtle turret]

Face the camera

[safe charm]

How do we even know

Alex meant gn2 guest lore

[thin wadi]

I'm going off of what I saw other members say

[safe charm]

Lol dont

[snow mauve]

Lol yes

[thin wadi]

Wait actually I think Alex make a tweet about why he changed the guest so much

[safe charm]

Why would you release a comic Tie in

Before you finalized the lore

[snow mauve]

Because

Money

Think smart

[safe charm]

I mean whats so different

[snow mauve]

Everything

[safe charm]

Hn2 story so far has not impresed me

Except

[snow mauve]

Good

Cuz you need

[safe charm]

Layout v2

[snow mauve]

To focus

In in real life

👍

[snow mauve]

Cultists interest you ey?

[safe charm]

The guest

[snow mauve]

He sucks

[safe charm]

The cultist i can care less about

[snow mauve]

Sorry dude

He ain't your main antagonist

Mr. Peterson

Is what you need

[thin wadi]

I like HN2 I just have preferences on the plots. I like some aspects of hn2 that the old story doesn't have and I like some (most) aspects of old lore that hn2/new lore doesn't have

[finite hawk]

This Channel is still Imbired

[muted moon]

real

[crystal scroll]

@velvet fossil

[muted moon]

dont let them know they still havent fixed this channel name

[crystal scroll]

Whoops

[muted moon]

NO

[velvet fossil]

I was going to keep this one

[muted moon]

also can i have reactions back

[velvet fossil]

Sure, please don't trigger @vagrant quest

[teal imp]

hey guys Im here to spread misinformation

mya is alive and the neighbor is a good driver

Im so evil

[manic dirge]

This is factual

[turbid fractal]

Yo

[muted moon]

guys i am also here to spread information

the neighbor killed his son

[turbid fractal]

No he didnt

[muted moon]

the neighbors dad is the guest

[turbid fractal]

Liar

[muted moon]

the neighbor is dream minecraft

real

[turbid fractal]

True tho

[muted moon]

oh also fake neighbor is mya

[turbid fractal]

Who's mya

[muted moon]

and quentin is also mya

and nlv is mya

and nft is mya

[turbid fractal]

Thx

[muted moon]

and mya is imbi

you can trust me

[snow mauve]

Da daughter

[fleet river]

Hi

[pale tinsel]

JGEG

[silver vine]

We literally got no new lore

[snow mauve]

Duh

[unkempt sleet]

Do we know when Raven Brooks is founded

[muted moon]

Probably

[hazy slate]

Probably sometime in the 1800s

[muted moon]

It's probably in books 4-6 somewhere

I should reread the aaron trilogy sometime

[hazy slate]

the abandoned barn suggests that the neighborhood used to be farmland

(it doesn't seem to belong to any house, so it's likely all that remains)

not to mention how flat the general area is

[unkempt sleet]

Do we have any official info about the foundation in any media

Or is it all just predictions

[hazy slate]

We can pinpoint an era by looking at the clothing worn by the librarians in the paintings

but nothing precise

[unkempt sleet]

Well that's not useful for me but cool i guess

[hazy slate]

there may be something in the Aaron trilogy I forgot about

[snow mauve]

Aaron owns raven brooks

🙏

[hazy slate]

richest kid in town

[snow mural]

if the neighbor hood used to be farmland does anybody think that can corrilate with the crow

i mean we see him in hello guest at the carnival

so is hello neighbor 2 set after the carnival in the ame spot

same spot

[snow mauve]

Nah

[snow mauve]

Scrapped shit

[novel prism]

what im getting from the animated series teaser is theodore's brother looking like the man in pre alpha picture

and making guest noises at the end

[snow mauve]

What are you talking about?

[novel prism]

in a cave which happened to be teased/leaked for the update

[snow mauve]

Uhhhhh wha

[novel prism]

you seen season 2 teaser?

[snow mauve]

Yes what about it?

[novel prism]

theodore's brother looks like the man in pre alpha picture

[snow mauve]

I mean it is supposed to be him

[novel prism]

yeah and at the end of the teaser he is making noises like the guest

that like radio glitchy sound thing

[snow mauve]

There was no guest sounds there

[snow mauve]

That doesn't belong to the guest honestly nor does it sound like it

[novel prism]

it kinda does

[snow mauve]

Not really

The Guest's just makes lots of clicking sounds

And more like crow sounds but in a deeper pitch

Than radio sounds

[novel prism]

yeah thats the sound I meant

[snow mauve]

Okay?

[novel prism]

why would a bird man make those sounds unless smth like what happened to theodore's brother caused it

[snow mauve]

Because the guest is just a ancient creature

Nothing much to say about it

[novel prism]

the teaser is also in a forest like the patch 9 update

[snow mauve]

As far as we know

[snow mauve]

It's just a random forest

[novel prism]

and theodore's brother falls in a cave pit

[cold gull]

I don't think those were guest noises, just distorted electric effects

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[novel prism]

what a coincidence, we got a leaked animation of the guest in a cave

[snow mauve]

Dude what

There is 0 confirmation

About this

[cold gull]

Fr

[snow mauve]

Hell it doesn't look consistent as the one hn2 has

[novel prism]

it cant be a random forest looking at how the bullies are there too

[astral agate]

?

[snow mauve]

It is a random forest for sure lol

[astral agate]

That doesn't prove anything

[novel prism]

and the bullies got their houses near the forest in HN2

[snow mauve]

If it was patch 9's forest then you would've seen the shrine

Or the church

[novel prism]

which are the people in hn2 grown up

[snow mauve]

3 of them are yes (Gerda, Leslie, and Mayor)

But one is the principal lady that we've known in season 1

[astral agate]

The kids are:
Leslie
Gerda
Mayor
Principal

Which are all cultists

[cold gull]

Principal abanante

[snow mauve]

Yep

[novel prism]

are you serious

[snow mauve]

Yes it's true

[cold gull]

They are

[snow mauve]

They're the cultists

[novel prism]

what cult would they lead as kids

[snow mauve]

It's been confirmed

Since HN2

[novel prism]

that happens when they grow up

[snow mauve]

this was BEFORE they started the cult in hn2

[astral agate]

Yes

[novel prism]

exactly but the cult is irrelevant

all im saying is the pre alpha man and the guest are the same person

and the forest isnt random

[cold gull]

Not really

[snow mauve]

Not confirmed info

But okay

[snow mauve]

Again not confirmed either

[cold gull]

I mean, alpha painting dude and Frank are meant to be the same person, yes, but not the guest

[novel prism]

didnt say its confirmed

[novel prism]

you're acting like an npc

[snow mauve]

You say it as if it was

[snow mauve]

Just because I'm saying it's not confirmed?

Damn

[cold gull]

Dude

Chill

[novel prism]

you wouldnt know that you're just assuming 💀

[snow mauve]

I guess you're right on that one

[cold gull]

You lowkey sound convinced of your statements

[snow mauve]

[novel prism]

the channel is called lore discussion I can theorize all I want

[snow mauve]

True

[novel prism]

cuz my theory makes perfect sense, at least to me

[snow mauve]

But we're kinda informing you some of the stuff

That you are kinda wrong

[cold gull]

That's cool, but we don't agree at all

[novel prism]

maybe thats your opinion, I dont have to agree or disagree but only respect it, just like you should to my opinion

[snow mauve]

Okay then

[novel prism]

your approval doesnt change anything so you do you bro

[snow mauve]

What

[cold gull]

Idk

[novel prism]

im saying wether you "agree" or "disagree" to my (an) opinion it doesnt change anything

[wicked heath]

Are you fr

[manic dirge]

Yes he is

[pearl vale]

hey its me the pre alpha man

this is not true

[manic dirge]

factual

[snow mauve]

Andrew!!!!

It's him!

The man himself!

[teal imp]

Im such a big fan

omg