lore-discussion

[opal jackal]

It's from 2023

[tropic pasture]

ah ok but what does it mean is the gest thde borther it makes sece with him falling into a pit then being a glich

[tropic pasture]

and ive never seen this until now

[opal jackal]

Well, we don't know if the Guest really is Ted's brother

[tropic pasture]

thats cool

[opal jackal]

But it's likely

[tropic pasture]

ya but what the glichy brother meant

The brother glitching reminds me of the error World thing

from the arg

[opal jackal]

This?

[tropic pasture]

ya

[opal jackal]

Well, it means that the brother is transforming into something

[opal jackal]

Probably transforming into the Guest

[ripe berry]

most think the brother became a host for the Guest, but it's unconfirmed

[opal jackal]

The main theory at the moment is that the Guest is using Ted's brother as a host

Oh

Damn

[ripe berry]

Hold on sorry have to do smth, I'll be back

[tropic pasture]

thats a good thery

but i have one of my own

Wait guys I think I have proof that Peterson's brother is the guest so in the final game act 2 we're trapped in underground room and it's kind of dirty I think the walls are made of dirt it's been a long time since I played hello neighbor because I lost my game card because they're very very small like Nintendo you couldn't make them any bigger although it does make them easy to carry around though I mean if you don't bring the case which defeats the purpose cuz I mean you might lose it but anyways back to the thing in Act 2 the walls are kind of dirt right in the TV show Brother episode teaser he's pushed into a pit and in Act 2 of the full game the walls are kind of dirt like like a cave not to mention the school tunnel system but after that the brother comes back as this glitchy thing right and then in the TV show Mr Peterson is locked the guest up in his basement how would that happen unless he captured the Glitchy thing which was his brother which turned into the guest because immediately after Mr Peterson gets arrested he says where is he and then later on in the episode like literally like a second later we see the guest implying that the guest escaped from the basement so in conclusion my theory is that the brother is the guest

heres a thother thery

Hey guys I have a prediction for season 2 of the Hello Neighbor TV show so you know how hello neighbor is locked up in some leaked images that are in this video I'm going to also leave a link to right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMj6_N5YFu8&t=11s

There's a lot of focus on Mr Peterson's family and the entire brother teaser and there's a few pictures of the team leader talking to Mr Peterson behind his cell and instead of Mr Peterson looking mad it looks like he's explaining something so I think season 2 is going to be the Redemption Arc of Mr Peterson and explaining his backstory and explaining what the guest is which may be his brother because think about it I have more things to say about this the entire teaser thingy about the brother and the images of his family and his pictures of explaining things to the team leader so I think season 2 of the Hello Neighbor TV show is going to be Mr Peterson explaining why he did what he did

When by the way I just kind of want to mention this the Act 2 storyline was done really well I like the fact how Nikki went insane cuz that makes sense although I don't feel they dedicated enough time to it it felt rushed that it should have saved that for season 2 because Act 2 season 2 maybe he was like smushed into one season to make it meet deadlines and by the way I find it kind of weird that there is no lore discussion Channel for the TV show cuz I feel like there's a lot of lore implications there bye

bye

[ripe berry]

back

[tropic pasture]

welcome back

[ripe berry]

did you know: based off the Stone Wall bases the Basement, School Tunnels, and the Pit area are all a part of the same location

[thorn rover]

If the brother is the guest then why he's mad at Theo.

[ripe berry]

the Brother is simply a host for the Guest, the Guest is a different entity

aka the Guest is controlling the Brother's Body

[thorn rover]

We actually don't know what happened, maybe the brother came back to life and he's the guy next to Theo on a painting from alphas

I really want the brother to be in HN2 chaper 2 he's now very interesting character

[timber bloom]

@glad hornet if you still have hello neighbor 1 the first one on Xbox One can you check to see if the game will play on offline mode on Xbox One

[tropic pasture]

like do you mean the full resesce?

[timber bloom]

I’m talking about the first hello neighbor game can it play offline without internet At on Xbox One ?

[tropic pasture]

the one with the acts?

[timber bloom]

Yeah the OG Hello Neighbor yes

[tropic pasture]

og is intesting trem but ya

what about it

[silver vine]

The names frank

[ripe berry]

Franklin Peterson when the when

[shell gull]

The person locked up in the basement is Aaron, the walls are dirt because they are underground, they are Catacombs.

[shell gull]

I mean we’ve known that Ted turned the surrounding Tunnels of the house into parts of the Underground, obviously the same thing in AS.

[tropic pasture]

ya i know but did you read what i sead tho?

[tropic pasture]

Hey guys I have another idea about the lore of hello nehbore so you know how in Matt Pat's video about analyzing every frame of hello neighbor if I remember correctly he said something about Mr Peterson lock Aaron in the basement because he was a bad omen well watching this video I actually found some evidence to support this because in hello neighbor Diaries which I thought was hello neighbor Nikki's Diaries but whatever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u7QFDr6Y6c at 13:07 the line in arrons last letter "i make bad things happen"

so ya there some thing i notisted ya

[snow mauve]

Hey look it's my video

[snow mauve]

Also Hello Neighbor Diaries Memories are based off Book 1 (Missing Pieces) which is why the whole "bad omen" thing happened

[tropic pasture]

oh i havent reaed the books yet i want to but i have to get them and books with leas picrthers then words make me bored like forexample i have this miles moreles book and i havent reed it becase of that so ya

[warm lantern]

uhm

[unkempt sleet]

Why bible

[warm lantern]

these are bible verses

[snow mauve]

Why

[past void]

I think it was about Lucifer

[warm lantern]

what does the mailbox say?

14:14

[past void]

[unkempt sleet]

Old

[warm lantern]

yes

[unkempt sleet]

Thats a part of the really old and scrapped storyline

[snow mauve]

Old alpha lore shit

[unkempt sleet]

it doesnt matter anymore

[snow mauve]

Basically Ted worshippin the devil

Or some shit

[unkempt sleet]

Nah ted was the devil himself in the coma story

[warm lantern]

did i forget to mention i was talking about alpha lore?

my bad

[unkempt sleet]

Kinda

[snow mauve]

I don't even know anymore

Isn't that what you're talking about?

[warm lantern]

who's ted? ted bundy?

[snow mauve]

Theodore's lil nickname

Aka Mr. Peterson

Aka The Neighbor

[unkempt sleet]

Him

[warm lantern]

Aka a bad neighbor

[snow mauve]

Good*

He's just your misunderstood guy

[warm lantern]

then why he got bear traps laying around, i dont see no bears in his house

[snow mauve]

Because

Protection

From trespassers

[warm lantern]

trespassers? dont worry, just buy security shark again

[snow mauve]

Perfecto

[past void]

The O doesn't work with every word Depkis

[snow mauve]

Shut coffeeo

[past void]

Sure

[warm lantern]

declineo johno porko's callo

[snow mauve]

Exacto

[warm lantern]

xDo

[past void]

In broken Spanish that means: John declines no pig callus

Awesome

[thin wadi]

The artists did I good job making his face expression here

Better than imo

[snow mauve]

Some people on Twitter: it's shit!!!

[past void]

I think animation gets better with each episode

[snow mauve]

Same with facial expressions

[past void]

My least favorite episode is the second one

So much Burgers ads

[snow mauve]

That game sucked anyway

Too much promo for a mid game

[past void]

I was glad that they didn't overuse the ads on the next episodes

[snow mauve]

They did however overuse imbir in ep3

But in a good way

[past void]

Imbir is cute

[snow mauve]

Silly cat

[past void]

I will get the Switch version with its keychain soon

[thin wadi]

I didn't like the first season I hope the 2nd is better in terms of pacing and animation

[past void]

Yeah, I'm really excited for season 2

I still want them to release the series on a streaming platform, that would help a lot with popularity and funding

[snow mauve]

GASSSPP

:0

[snow mauve]

I think it'll flop

Because you know most people online nowadays..

[past void]

Nah, everyone would watch it on Amazon Prime or Netflix

[snow mauve]

"SHITTY DUMBASS GAME SCAMMED US ALL"

[snow mauve]

Prime is a horrid idea

[past void]

Hazbin Hotel did well there

[snow mauve]

Netflix tho, they just don't give a shit and will remove em anyway

[past void]

[snow mauve]

Ew

Not hazbin hotel..

[past void]

It's good, I like it a lot

[snow mauve]

I hate it, it's dogshit

It's mostly swears

And other kinda shit..

[past void]

Yeah, that's part of hell

[snow mauve]

Excuses excuses

[past void]

It' just funny and entertaining, songs are awesome

Animation is out of standards

[snow mauve]

I got bored of it I had to skip forward

[snow mauve]

Stiff

[past void]

Better than most series nowadays that aren't drawn frame by frame

Hazbin Hotel doesn't use rigs

[snow mauve]

Hazbin hotel still sucks

[past void]

Still... It did well

[astral agate]

True

[past void]

it's the most watched on Prime

[snow mauve]

It's ashame

[past void]

If Hazbin Hotel can be so popular releasing on Prime, then why not Hello Neighbor?

[snow mauve]

"GAME SCAMMED USS!!"

"No gore.. no bad words.."

No nothing!

[past void]

There is gore in the series, just censored

[snow mauve]

It's silly

Also I meant in games

[past void]

Cause Youtube sucks

[snow mauve]

Not the animated series

[snow mauve]

Even more excuses

YouTube seems to be okay with it

[past void]

I think it would be weird to see gore in a HN game, I don't even know how a skeleton would look like with the art style

[snow mauve]

Gore doesn't always make things "good"

[past void]

Well... Bendy and Poppy are trying to be more "gore", and they are doing good

[snow mauve]

Poppy playtime sucks even more

Bendy tho

It's peak

[hazy slate]

I want to beat up people in my HN games

[past void]

Tinybuild should make a Neighbor Surgeon Simulator

[snow mauve]

Run

[snow mauve]

Eerie guest 🤓

[hazy slate]

I am about to perform a HN2 Barn cutscene on the mayor

[past void]

[hazy slate]

Then, I am going to forcefully hold him hostage for ransom money.

[snow mauve]

Hush boy.

[hazy slate]

Why? I am giving advice for those who want to be rich.

[snow mauve]

NO

[opal jackal]

The Mayor SUCKS

He's stinky

And he's a really shitty person

And he's a cult leader

[snow mauve]

Gerda SUCKS

She's stinky

And she's a really shitty person

And she's a cult member

[opal jackal]

I don't care about Gerda

[snow mauve]

Leslie SUCKS

He's stinky

And he's a really shitty person

And he's a cult member

[hazy slate]

Being able to force her to bake was her only redeeming quality.

but then they removed it in full game

[snow mauve]

Abanate SUCKS

She's stinky

And she's a really shitty person

And she's a cult member

Pretty much all the kids

[silver vine]

Why

I think prime is good

[manic dirge]

Yea

It’s a known platform

And it won’t get removed like how Netflix does to their shows a lot

[cold gull]

That's me ever since that S2 teaser came out

Bullying them in HN2 makes me feel even more satisfied

💖

[neat fractal]

They are the bullies

[cold gull]

Is abanante dead?

[manic dirge]

Unknown

[snow mauve]

Yup

[snow mauve]

That is correct

The Witch girl is the Principal

[silver vine]

Hoping she's dead

[snow mauve]

She is dead doe

[opal jackal]

Okay so

I compiled every single inconsistency I could find between EP6 and HNVR

Oh

The message is too long lol

Hold on

[safe charm]

Yeah no the lore is a inconsistent mess im sorry but it is more so then ever now

[unkempt sleet]

Why did you choose HNVR and EP6 to make a list

[opal jackal]

Because people keep saying that HNVR and EP6 are the same events or smth

[safe charm]

The only way i can see this being fixed is mayak reseting

The timeline after AS

[unkempt sleet]

Well do one with HN2 and other media now...

[opal jackal]

Nuh Uh

[safe charm]

Do it

[opal jackal]

That would take forever

[safe charm]

Cause why not

But yeah no unless ep6 is not real for some reason or hnvr is not real i guess hnvr is just non Canon or AS is

Unless nicky gets kidnapped a second time in AS lmao and this is not act 2 events but Nah

But its apperantly set in the hn universe which doesnt have to mean its Canon but it feels like its supposed to be soo wth is going on😭 it shouldnt be old lore because like why wouldnt hn2 be as well then but it doesnt fit new lore Either

[sinful flint]

canon is flexible

[opal jackal]

HNVR is old lore

[strange lance]

It was made by a different company, specifically VR, and idk restartting another games development just to fit a new story wouldn't make SW happy

[silver vine]

They didn't restart HN2 development JUST to fit into AS

There were a lot of reasons

Which is sad

But luckily HNVR worked well and so they didn't have to restart development

[safe charm]

@quick dagger what do you prefer book lore or AS lore

I Think i prefer book lore

[quick dagger]

Book Lore had me interested, even if i never got to read reset day it also made me emotional on occasion. So I'll have to say Book. AS i'm willing to give a shot but i don't like how it just retcons a lot of stuff, I get why but you know.

[safe charm]

Same i Think the games should follow book lore

And i Think hn2 mostly does follow book lore it doesnt feel connected to AS to me

[safe charm]

It feels to me hn2 doesnt know what continuity it wanna follow

They need to make a choice soon because Things is messy

I Think book lore but with AS lore mixed in would be the best decison rather then just AS lore

Any new feedback post you got cooking up btw?

[quick dagger]

Not at the moment.

I find that funny (in a i can't believe it way), people are actually looking forward to my feedback posts.

[safe charm]

Because i Think its intresting

Btw theres a problem with your

Feedback about linearity

What if you did 2 houses kinda at the same time

How would night start

[quick dagger]

I mean, I had the idea that time would just normally progress and the nightmares would just skip a chunk of the day, like if you did it at the day you'd wake up at night.

[safe charm]

Ahh okay

I hope they do it

[quick dagger]

I'm still holding onto the hope that it's because of the game not being done that Chapter 1 isn't nonlinear

Like how it is right now is simply a place holder.

[safe charm]

I mean it feels like it because in 2022 the idea was still for it to be non linear in interviews

[quick dagger]

I can only cross my fingers and keep making feedback

[safe charm]

Ik this is lore discussion but my last words on this is that if they fix this they fix the game

[quick dagger]

One of my complaints would be gone.

To me, all that'd be left is a ai that learns (not the neural network.) and more unique puzzles that aren't get item use item. I'd be happy and more than willing to help the team out if i could with it too...at least when it comes to ideas

[safe charm]

Is it bad i actually want the nn ai

Lol

[safe charm]

Wait make a feedback on puzzles!

The puzzle design thats a thing i really want improved

[quick dagger]

Lets' be honest, it'd be better to take this slow and make the ai learn from the player first before the team moves onto the nueral network.

[safe charm]

True

[quick dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-typing-essay-school-smart-gif-4851885

i got to get some stuff but when i get back i'll do so

[safe charm]

🔥

https://tenor.com/view/trump-together-speech-make-america-great-again-gif-14570683

(Hn2 instead of America)

[quick dagger]

https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1207075356285079575

[safe charm]

PEAK

[shell gull]

It’s been great since Patch 9 jit

[fierce lantern]

@safe charm The show is basically a cinematic retelling of the games

[safe charm]

Yes i was just joking

[subtle turret]

💀💀💀

[sudden anchor]

New matpat vid helps alot

[snow mauve]

It's useless

Not enough good research

[sudden anchor]

No about the Pilot ep

[snow mauve]

We pretty much already knew that

Years ago

[manic dirge]

Not everyone

[crude dew]

if you want misinformation, then sure
he helps a lot in spreading that

[snow mauve]

DAMN IT

You're right..

I hate being wrong..

[shell gull]

Sums up the deluded people in this Chat

[snow mauve]

You solved the HNG lore

[pale urchin]

He really did solved the lore frame by frame

[ocean warren]

Hello everyone !

I watched Nikita's livestream of the first Hello Neighbor game walkthrough (2020) and noticed something...

https://www.youtube.com/live/nYFQKuAcU84?si=O7gP9L9rQXNAwCb0&t=5992
In Act 2 he grabs a hat and put it in a coffin.
Hello Neighbor 2: MITH's body in a coffin...

[ocean warren]

https://www.youtube.com/live/6X3_w2vANW4?si=WEzSmVLCXilLb11e&t=2144
Nikita said this: "Funny thing how the hats was always a big deal in Hello Neighbor since the Pre-Alpha... I wonder if it was intentional".

[ocean warren]

https://www.youtube.com/live/U-6ae4t3yJc?si=rV5qH-gdNLkqKIMZ&t=7399
Original concept of the first game was "to know if your neighbor is spying on you by spying on your neighbor".
Inspiration from Orphan Black TV series about "a girl who had a lot of clones of her, and each clone had, uh, like a spy to monitor the clone. But each clone do not know about the other, and they just live their seperate life and do not know about anything. So, uh, the one is like a businessman, the other is student, and they're all different people".

Mayor is watching the whole town through gnomes, and he has a hat. This franchise takes places in a town, which is related with crows, who are watching. Some characters fate are similar, for example: Quentin & Beatrix - Aaron & Mya.

Food for thoughts, I guess...

[opal jackal]

Could you like

[opal jackal]

Could you like send timestamps or something

This is actually pretty intersting

[snow mauve]

DEADDD

[ripe berry]

You missed a minor thing, MitH's hat is literally a slightly modified HN1 Hat Model

and there's a house with a hat, Binoculars (MitH has used the HN1 Binoculars in HG), and a Black Car (MitH's Car Color) behind the Neighbor's House, while this is probably unintentional, it's fun to notice these things

but the hat things...

!

How did it take this long for people to connect that stuff

Stream 1 Timestamp: 1:39:57
Stream 2 Timestamp: (Will edit in when I find where Nikita said it in the steam)

can't find where the hat line is said in Stream 2

but it appears to be real as it givs more results then just this guy's message

[opal steeple]

i seriously doubt the MitH house is unintentional. the fact that its those three objects combined, all in the same location, where a player could pretty easily see (if you climb the act 3 house), just makes me think it wasn't a coincidence

it's the only house like that

[ripe berry]

yeah, but at the same time there's nothing linking MitH to Basketballs

which is the one main object there other then the ones I called out

oh and a Tire-Swing

everything else is generic enough that it either doesn't matter or there's a very similar object to it found in HN2

(the Apartment Chair Model can be seen to the side of the house, which is similar to the chair model in the Banner, the Church (with a hat sitting on top of it), and Ted's House)

also I doubt you can see it easily

[ripe berry]

after they added the hill you now have to climb all the way to the top of the Windmill if you want to catch a glimpse of the oddly detailed background house

[ripe berry]

Then again...

It feels oddly fitting for a spy-like character to have their house hidden so you actively have to search for it to see it

[stiff spire]

yeah this was similar to something mentioned in the kickstarter it was in one of the developer diaries

(this is the continued part of it)

I would've liked to see how this story would've played out ngl

[heady pelican]

what if we give keith and leslie Free donuts and coffe and they will betray the cult

[astral agate]

Hopefully

[snow mauve]

Knock us out anyway

[heady pelican]

what if we give leslie coffe cake and keith mr.Beast biggest donut

[hollow stirrup]

Hello?

[ripe berry]

hi?

[snow mauve]

MICHAEL

[muted moon]

i dont think theyre even part of the cult

theyre the only people of power in the town that arent on the golden apple board

[ripe berry]

I may or may not have gotten so insane digging for lore I decided to look up the symbolic meanings behind Purple Lightning... and to my surprise I actually got results... (this being the one to list the most symbolic meanings, so I'm using it)

(I dunno if I'm just going insane or if I'm actually somewhat onto something here, but either way send help)

Also bullet-point 4 is quite literally what I theorize the Pit in the Season 2 Teaser is
a Portal/"Rift" to a equivalent of hell(likely some version of Guest World)

[muted moon]

the purple lightning is known to do weird things to time and space

[ripe berry]

yeah

[muted moon]

in the hg announcement trailer it also seems to be happening a lot on the mountain

[ripe berry]

and for the two people who don't know... a VERY PARTICULAR building is on-top of the Mountain in HG

[muted moon]

yeah

mayak

[ripe berry]

that being the Mayak Weather Station

[muted moon]

is always involved

[ripe berry]

it's also involved in SN

[muted moon]

also the hg main menu music is probably named after it for some reason

[ripe berry]

HE is the only time there's no direct tie to Mayak

[muted moon]

the sn storm also seems to have similar effects to storms affected by bad luck devices

massive groups of birds

intensfying the storm

i bet the luck devices probably have some sort of control over mayak

[ripe berry]

so the storms likely have some direct link to Guest World or a equivalent to hell for new lore if they don't call it Guest World or the Nest

[ripe berry]

maybe

[muted moon]

yeah, in guest world in hnvr theres purple lightning outside

[ripe berry]

I noted that back when watching HNVR Playthroughs so me (a xbox player) wouldn't miss any lore due to not owning any VR stuff

[muted moon]

hn2a1 and hn2a1.5 sky textures are called guestworld in the files

and both those builds obviously have massive links to storms

theres also lightning, so more links

[ripe berry]

ok

iirc Purple Lightning is a rare occurrence you can encounter in HG

[muted moon]

it doesnt even happen in hg, its only in the trailer

you do actually hear thunder in hgp though

[ripe berry]

I remember hearing a storm in base HG

[muted moon]

yeah, theres an ambience for thunder, but its much more quiet and longer than it is in hgp

[ripe berry]

it can't be the prototype I heard it in as that isn't on Xbox, only the Alpha is

and the lightning does appear in HG, but I don't think it was purple

[muted moon]

some of the hgp thunder. im pretty sure some of them are unused

[muted moon]

oh right, it does during the tutorial, but there was purple lightning in the announcement trailer

i think the tutorial lightning might be purple actually

[ripe berry]

a part of me thinks it's purple but the other part of me thinks it's a lighting trick making me think it's purple

[muted moon]

its purple

[ripe berry]

alright

[muted moon]

trailer lightning

[ripe berry]

also wasn't the Mayak straight up glowing

in the trailer

[muted moon]

yeah

it glowed purple

the effects broken in hga1 though

hga1 broken glowing mayak

[manic dirge]

Is the weather station from the books and mayak the same building or no?

[pale urchin]

Woah, what the?!

[muted moon]

yes

[manic dirge]

So they are the same building

[muted moon]

yeah

[manic dirge]

Ah ok

[ripe berry]

since SN Trophy says Ted's Parents built it and call it a "weather station" I'd say yes

[manic dirge]

Oh ok 👍

[opal jackal]

Guest World....

[ripe berry]

yeah, that was the main one I was noting, just sent it alongside the others incase anything else is linked to how the Lightning is in the HN universe

[ripe berry]

also a part of me feels like the way Franklin falls in the Season 2 Trailer parralleling the way Mya falls in HNHS is intentional in some way

maybe something to do with the Ancient Curse?

a part of me wants to make something to easily compile ideas for the lore of HN
but what site would I even do it on...

[ripe berry]

completely forgot Padlet existed
Made a board of HN Theories (I'll add some facts and theories in a bit to start it out)
https://padlet.com/huffmichael889/board_of_hn_theories

[opal jackal]

Ngl I kinda want to post something here but I don't really have any theories at the moment

[ripe berry]

we know it's lore does fit with other games (mentions of a hurricane), but there's no confirmation on if it's canon

[ripe berry]

Landed on some dates (assuming AS is in 1996 (which it isn't)) for events in the history of Raven Brooks
Halloween Incident is 1959
Franklin's Presumed Death is in 1957
Ted + Bullies Born in 1949
Franklin's born 1941
Keith's born 1939

Reasoning: First off, Nikita's Said Keith's near retiring age, making him almost 60 in HN2
Keith's around 20 during the Halloween Incident due to being a "young police officer"
Gerda and the other bullies are around the same age as Mr. Peterson
Nikita has said Mr. Peterson is around 47 years old in HNHS, which is the same year as HN2 according to the AS
this likely places the Halloween Incident around 37 years before HN2/AS, since Keith is only about 10 years older then Gerda

Franklin's Death is likely a few years before the Halloween Incident, but can't be too long or else Ted and the others are too young for the scene to make sense

I use 8 years old as a good estimate for their age then

and Franklin's Age is just removing 18 from his death year since Franklin mentions Graduating, implying him to be around 17-18

(or well presumed death)

[manic dirge]

he could be graduating from middle school

he is NOT 17 - 18

unless hes really smart and skipped some grades

which i dont think he did

[ripe berry]

and no I am NOT lying about the Graduating Line

[ripe berry]

reasoning?

[manic dirge]

doesn't look 17 - 18

[ripe berry]

May I remind you Gerda appears 30 something in HN2 but actually is nearly 50 years old?

Apparent Age is unreliable

[manic dirge]

lots of makeup

[ripe berry]

you know what isn't unreliable? Talk of Graduation

[ripe berry]

either way it's been shown Appearances are unreliable for character ages, so I avoid using them as evidence and instead look at other things if possible that indicate age

I WILL still use appearances for age, but only if I have nothing else I can use to determine age

[manic dirge]

alr

[ripe berry]

like with how the Janitor looks like he's in his 80's even though nothing suggests his age other then him having to be around 70 due to running a Middle School when what's likely the Halloween Incident as I call it occurs

or anything about the Librarian's Age as we don't have shit on her

[manic dirge]

gerda in AS as a grown up looks younger than herself in the game

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

more proof appearances are unreliable for age

using purely Gerda no-less

[manic dirge]

yea true

[ripe berry]

if the character's appearances give you two different ages depending on where you look with like at most a year difference between the two of them maybe you shouldn't take appearances as a reliable source

[ripe berry]

Gerda looks like 24 here

[safe charm]

Imagine time resets at the end of AS

[manic dirge]

yea

[safe charm]

Leading to the game and book timeline would be funny

[manic dirge]

i would see it the other way around

[safe charm]

Wdym

[ripe berry]

you can't change appear by 6 years in the timespan of like a few months assuming they never use Gerda's Character Model in AS other then that one picture

[manic dirge]

i would see in reset day the timeline reseting into AS timeline

[safe charm]

Maybe

[manic dirge]

makes more sence

[safe charm]

The guest on his way to be old timeline Ted

[manic dirge]

but it could work the other way too

[safe charm]

😟

[ripe berry]

if they do then yeah no there's no way appearance can be used reliably

[safe charm]

Does Ted love his family in book 1 in Reading it and im not quit sure

[manic dirge]

i bet they will use that design

[manic dirge]

yes he does

[ripe berry]

Appearance is basically the bottom of the list for determining age
Official Creator Statements
things stated by Game/AS/Games or AS related Source
things implied through details related to the character
the character's appearance

[manic dirge]

i also noticed otto with his hat. (its obviously traced)

[ripe berry]

and by appearance I mean what age they appear to be, details on them can be used to help determine age better then their apparent age alone can

[manic dirge]

Theodore also looks younger imo

in the show he looks late 30s early 40s

[ripe berry]

it's safe to say Quentin is like 22 based off him seemingly cutting himself trying to shave and the time it takes to get a degree in journalism

[manic dirge]

22?

[safe charm]

Im sad we never

Saw the tornados

[ripe berry]

to have a degree in journalism he kinda has to be at least 22

[manic dirge]

i would say hes mid 20s at the youngest

25

[ripe berry]

yeah mid-20's fit, I was just saying using purely factual information he's at least 22 and probably not too much old then that

[manic dirge]

ah ok

i would kinda want to see heavy clouds over RB

kinda like E3

[grim pecan]

yoo I just realized something what if this was the neighbor and his son (us since in the old version we were his son) and we're visting him in alpha 1 by moving to be his neighbor but then see him doing weird stuff so we check, and he doesent want us to see what he's doing since maybe he didnt want his son to think he was a insane man.

[shut gale]

i dont think so. sorry

[opal steeple]

this is actually confirmed to be theo and his brother

thanks to animated series

[grim pecan]

ohhhhh ok

[snow mauve]

That's just Jesus Christ

With Peterson

In that photo

[ripe berry]

Franklin Jesus Christ "JC" Peterson

[versed yacht]

Something I'm noticing a lot of people do is take the Alex messages mentioning this painting serious

I think he was just joking about the painting being Theodore and Franklin because why would it be

If anything it could be symbolism, due to the meaning of the painting itself

[thin wadi]

[light citrus]

This is wonderful out of context

[opal jackal]

We don't

[snow mauve]

Hehehehe

[long ruin]

why is the house so much SMALLER in hn2? If it supposedly takes place inbetween act 2 and 3, shouldnt the house be similar to act 2’s house?

idk why its so pixelated ;-;

[ripe berry]

Act 2 is a distorted memory of the escape from Ted's House

the extensions weren't actually there

[spark tulip]

Yeah, and it doesn't take place in-between, it takes place directly after Act 2.

[ripe berry]

they said in-between Acts 2 and 3

which is true

[snow mauve]

Because in act 2 it's just Nicky's own distorted memory

When in reality the house never went big

[manic dirge]

How old is Keith in HN2

[shell gull]

“Well…actually the picture is of HN2 FG, which is New Lore and so it’s actually an inconsistency”-🤓

[shell gull]

50-80s

[manic dirge]

Ah ok 👍

[wicked heath]

still confused: if HN2 and AS are supposed to be connected, than what happened to Act3Abomination

[ripe berry]

yeah that's confusing

[manic dirge]

that act 3 house is most likely a distorted memory

Has anyone besides Trinity had a cell phone?

I don’t remember anyone else having one

[shut gale]

pipier

[ripe berry]

Maritza has one in Episode 3

Realtor has one in Episode 1 right before dying

[manic dirge]

Oh yea

[manic dirge]

I was talking about AS

[shut gale]

oh sorry

[manic dirge]

Nah it’s fine

[ripe berry]

and that's currently where the list ends

[manic dirge]

I was thinking that if trinity was the only one that had a cell phone then the town could have been somehow set back in time a bit.

But since multiple ppl have cell phones that wouldn’t make sense

[ripe berry]

most tech in RB except for cell-phones is still in the 90s but for some reason they have cell phones

[manic dirge]

Yea

I wish it was only trinity

But we will have to wait for final end where “mayak explains everything”

[stiff spire]

yeah

[opal jackal]

<@&1162799252192379000>

[manic dirge]

Wait what happened

[ripe berry]

somethign happened?

[opal jackal]

Scam link

[ripe berry]

makes sense

[manic dirge]

Ah ok

[opal jackal]

I've heard some people say that the nightmares Quentin has in HN2 are influenced by the Guest and I don't really buy it
You can easily explain that Nightmare 1 is just to show that Quentin is scared of Mr. Peterson because he broke Quentin's van window with a shovel and hit Quentin in the head with a shovel and that Nightmare 2 is the way it is because of what Quentin saw in the intro

Nightmare 3 tho...

[manic dirge]

that one was the guest

[opal jackal]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

there's a Nightmare 4 and 5?

a Manifestation of a person's Fears and Trauma

[ripe berry]

There's only 3 Nightmares in HN2

oh wait the one in Layout V2 makes 4
But where does Nightmare 5 come from?

Yep, sometimes there's simple answers...
Now if only the Raven Man/The Guest from HN2 was one of those cases

[snow mauve]

The Thing (or shadow) is pretty much just Nicky's (the player) own fear

[shell gull]

I think he means the Crypt Cutscene.

[ripe berry]

the huh

oh wai tyeha

*wait yeah

[normal grove]

It's more for mr peterson aka the neighbor

[snow mauve]

Nahhhh

His problem is mostly the cultists

Not the thing

Gotta fight em

🤜

[normal grove]

But where the green door to finish the gsme you see the neighbor locked from the thing

[snow mauve]

I'm pretty sure that's showing that Nicky finally let go of his fears

And he ain't gonna worry about em anymore

[normal grove]

Nah it shows that the neighbor made a mistake for yk and accepts his fate

[snow mauve]

Ermmm no

[normal grove]

Wdym

[snow mauve]

That is

WRONG

[normal grove]

How

[snow mauve]

Also how did Nicky know about that then?

When

Entirely

It's all a dream

[normal grove]

Childhood

[snow mauve]

Cuz again the thing is mainly Nicky's own fear

[snow mauve]

Dude all Nicky does is hang out with Aaron

Then finds him in the basement

Gets traumatized

Then boom

The thing shows up

In his head

[normal grove]

Yea

[wicked heath]

And yet, Joy can see Theo « made a few adjustments to his house »

[manic dirge]

It’s theorized that it’s just a room or so that was added

[tribal talon]

I feel like there's more to The Thing then we think

[snow mauve]

Nah

He's still just a fear

[light citrus]

maybe, i mean he was in the AS, which could mean something?

[snow mauve]

Nicky's obvious trauma

Experiencing his fear during his childhood

Judging by the teasers it seems like Nicky started to see the thing during school

[light citrus]

Then why would his drawings be upstairs instead of in the basement? and how could he even get a pen and paper down there?

[snow mauve]

References lol?

[light citrus]

"why is mith in this grave?" "oh thats just a funny reference with no meaning behind it!"

[snow mauve]

Correcto!

[light citrus]

you are joking about that right?

[snow mauve]

Yuh

Lol

[light citrus]

...

are

what

[snow mauve]

Minus the thing part

I still think he's still Nicky's own imaginary fear

[light citrus]

eh

still no idea how his drawing would get up there

(unless its a plot hole.)

[snow mauve]

Reference

HEHEAHAHA

[light citrus]

no

thats dumb reasoning

[snow mauve]

Yes

[snow mauve]

Yet possible reason

[light citrus]

i guess?? but why would they reference a charatcer like the thing for no reason??

[snow mauve]

Because

Foreshadowing

[light citrus]

foreshadowing??

then who drew it?

also didnt you just say nicky started to see the thing during school, that would be like foreshadowing the guest in the forest part of HN2

[strange lance]

The Thing is not just for Nicky

It appears to mutliple people

We know this lol

Appears to Ted, rescue squad kids, and Nicky

Cause reminder the thing is literally just a representation of fear in general

[manic dirge]

The thing is just the embodiment of fear

[strange lance]

Mhm

The Thing taking the form of a giant ladybug once he comes to me

These ladybugs have started getting into my room through my window (which has no screen), which just so happens to be behind my bed and they sometimes fly by my face. I have a fear of lady bugs now. :(

[opal jackal]

Honestly I have no idea why people say that HNVR is new lore

LMAO

I'M BURNING

[snow mauve]

Shut up..

[opal jackal]

Anyways

[snow mauve]

It's both!

[opal jackal]

1gkvj6 6NCJ

[snow mauve]

😁

[opal jackal]

NOT THIS AGAIN

[snow mauve]

Oh yeah

HNVR is BOTH

Accept it fool

[opal jackal]

HNVR is obviously OLD lore

[snow mauve]

Bro can't accept both

Smh

[opal jackal]

HOW is it both

[snow mauve]

ERRMMMM

Akshally..

AS ep6

But in a different narrative

🤓

[opal jackal]

EP6 having a trillion inconsistencies with HNVR:

[snow mauve]

Shhhhhh

It's okay

You'll get used to it

[opal jackal]

Please don't use that excuse

[snow mauve]

NO EXCUSE BUB

It is

In a different narrative

Most of it is

Like how Nicky gets trapped and escaped out the basement

[opal jackal]

The only thing EP6 and HNVR have in common is the basic idea of "lets save Nicky!!"

[snow mauve]

See

There ya go

[opal jackal]

Nuh uh

[snow mauve]

They even have the rescue dorks

Well almost all of em

They even have the dumb birb there!

[opal jackal]

Except the Guest has a bigger role in HNVR than EP6

[snow mauve]

He didn't deserve to be main antag anyway

Hahaha..

HE SUCKS

[snow mauve]

A aon

[manic dirge]

?

[ripe berry]

??

[patent lantern]

hi, i got hello nighbor 2 and when I look at a tutorial on how to do it because i got stuck, they had a different map to me? does anyone know whats up with that

[snow mauve]

Because the full game is a way different version than the alphas

[patent lantern]

But I have Xbox game pass ultimate so I get the game for free

What’s the alphas anyway?

[shell gull]

That’s because those Videos are outdated as they have updated the Game, it’s a Puzzle Stealth Game you should try to solve it yourself.

[manic dirge]

Older test versions

[graceful summit]

and the best versions (imo at least)

[sage obsidian]

Hey there, any questions about HN can move to this channel right here --> https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/720318918165659779, thank you

[ocean warren]

What these newspapers about ? (at backyard of Gerda's bakery)

[shell gull]

Nothing much, just local news.

[patent lantern]

Bros having a seizure

He’s been doing it for like five mins

can someone help me find all of the boar heads in the old guys house, I found four and they're all like switched on but the microwave wont open

nevermind you had to get them all in a specific time

[manic dirge]

#hello-neighbor

[ripe berry]

just realized
what is the actual evidence for Quentin being in his 20's

[manic dirge]

well when was the newspaper for beatrix going missing made? Is there a date or no?

[ripe berry]

we don't have dates for shit

and the dates we do have aren't lore accurate anymore

[manic dirge]

damn

my thought would maybe be the 80s

[ripe berry]

for all we know Quentin could be the same age as Ted
unless there's like a old interview where they state his age or something

[manic dirge]

i dont think quentin is teds age

i would think maybe 20s to 30s

[ripe berry]

we can't really prove anything tho

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

there seems to be no confirmation on how old Quentin is

and the one thing that can be taken as "confirmation" has multiple ways to interpet it

[manic dirge]

yeah

[ripe berry]

this SN description calls him a "rookie" reporter

which while seeming to imply him to be new to Journalism

could also just be he's new to the Raven Brooks Banner

[manic dirge]

yeah

just wish we had more dates

for the events

For example if the date when Beatrix went missing was shown we could have a guess on how old Quentin is

[ripe berry]

actually no since we'd also need a date for the "present day" of HN2

[manic dirge]

i would say 1996

[ripe berry]

since remember it's not 1996 since Alex said so

[spark tulip]

Yeah, it's 1996.

[manic dirge]

was he talking about AS or HN2?

[ripe berry]

Alex said it's a year after 1997

[ripe berry]

Both at the same time

[spark tulip]

HN2 is 1996.

No matter what the AS says.

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

the question was for both HN2 and AS

[manic dirge]

AS is its own thing

[spark tulip]

Anyway, I'd say Quentin is around 25 years old since he is still in pretty good shape.

[ripe berry]

I mean we have nothing that actually says Quentin's age, just guesses and confusing wording

[manic dirge]

Alex is an unreliable source

[spark tulip]

The newest information about HN2's date is patch 9 launch, though.

Ahem.

[ripe berry]

yeah but the Asset was made before HN2's Launch

[spark tulip]

Yet it has remained unchanged.

They would change it if the date really had changed.

[manic dirge]

quiet a simple change. or dont use the asset

[spark tulip]

Yep.

[manic dirge]

they wouldnt use the asset if it wasnt 1996

[spark tulip]

Exactly.

[ripe berry]

but still them putting a date on something couldn't be used reliably when Alex is trying to force the AS and HN2 Timelines to be the same

[spark tulip]

HN2's AS variant is probably later, though.

[manic dirge]

AS is a mash of all HN content

[ripe berry]

but Alex tries to force the HN2 and AS timelines to be the same, so anything that applies to AS has to apply to HN2

[manic dirge]

There could be an interpretation of HN2 in AS story

some of the events happen

[ripe berry]

but still them putting a date on anything would just make debates worse then they currently are

[opal jackal]

HN2 and AS are not connected

They do NOT follow the same lore

Regardless of what Alex tries to say

[obtuse willow]

Wait what caefirat hn search and rescue or secret neighbor

[opal jackal]

What

[obtuse willow]

Sorry I meant was the events of hn search and rescue before or after secret neighbor

[opal jackal]

After

[rich hinge]

Tavish (or how his surname was?) and Tweed are two completely different ppl, so we can't say that our mayor was in the book, it was a different person in every aspect

[manic dirge]

the reason i think tavish is the mayor we have in HN2 is that they are both kinda described the same

the one big difference is that i think tavish was white in the books. but that could just be retcon

[opal jackal]

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say

[manic dirge]

Yea

That too

[opal jackal]

Dude

The books released before the HN2 characters were a thing

[patent lantern]

Any suggestions on what to do when you finish hn 2

[rain sluice]

Hi, maybe please ask here #hello-neighbor cuz this channel is about lore, not about the games itself. Anyway, I went to make like a ton of screenshots while I finnished the game.

[patent lantern]

Ok

What’s lore anyway

[rain sluice]

Lore is discuss the story of HN universe

[opal jackal]

I literally have no idea what you're trying to say

Just because the HN2 characters are in AS does not mean that HN2 and AS are connected

And I have no idea what point you're trying to make with this "the HN2 characters aren't in the books!!" thing

[ripe berry]

Maritza, Enzo, and Trinity are in the Books becuse they were created for the books before being turned into SN Characters
HN2 Characters started as HN2 Characters in 2021, by then the most recent book for HN was already being written or published (idk which)

and they couldn't just add the characters to the book

since Book 7 was set in the future from HN2 so most characters would probably be dead and GN2 already had the art mostly drawn by that point iirc

you know what is/was planned to be in the books (other then Quentin for some reason)? HN2 Characters that existed before the books were nearly done being made

the Guest is in Book 7 and GN2

MitH was planned for GN2 before getting cut

both characters who had existed since the HG Days

Quentin also existed back then but there was probably a lore reason for not featuring Quentin in the books

also Keith Newsom is in the Books because he started as a Book Character before they combined him with a HN2 Character

because HN2 Keith was originally F. Nielsen

so just because HN2 Characters aren't in the books doesn't mean HN2 is AS Timeline

that's like saying since the Flower Kingdom isn't on the Mario Odsessy Map Super Mario Bros. Wonder is in some old Super Mario Brothers Anime's Timeline since a King from a Flower Kingdom appears in that Anime

Quentin hardly plays a role in Season 2 from what we've been told

so we'll probably only have 1 episode to go off of

and there's a gap in the HN2 Timeline where the Episode could theoretically occur

HN2 Intro starts in the Daytime, so ~12 AM
Late Fees Time - 6 PM
Back to School Start Time - (Don't remember lol but it was before 10 PM and after 6 PM)
Back to School End time - 4 AM
Barn Tutorial Start Time - 10 PM
No matter how you arrange the DLCs there's a gap in the timeline during the day, where Episode 9 could theoretically occur

and we know the DLCs take place in the Gap in the Intro as Quentin still has his van

however here's the big things to look out for:
Does Ted escape Jail in AS Season 2 by Episode 9's ending?
Do the police leave at night?

there's also no proof of HN2 being connected to the Book Timeline to be fair

it might just be it's own timeline

(in-fact using times it's highly unlikely for HN2 and HN1/HNVR to all share a timeline)

the Circular Clocks in Ted's House in HN1 actually are consistent with what time they read (at least for a entire Act, the clocks change time with Act)

Act 2's Clocks read 9:00

Barn tutorial ends at ~2 AM

unless Ted breaks out of jail in the HN2 Timeline

[ripe berry]

there's no way it's the HN1/HNVR Timeline

I'm using it since HN1 is very consistent with the clocks reading the same time all throughout Ted's House

Act 1 they all read 3:30

Act 3 they all read 6:15

and these times work with the time of day for Act 1 and Act 3 before Nicky falls asleep

Act 1 in the Game is 3:30 PM, Act 1 in the Book could feasibly be 3:30 AM since they only say it's nighttime, not a specific time
Act 3 is Afternoon when Nicky goes to sleep, fitting with 6:15 PM

so I'm using 9:00 as the time Nicky escapes in Act 2/HNVR since the other times are reliable

yeah but the Time still works regardless of if Act 1 is daytime or nighttime

since the clock has no way of telling if it's AM or PM

[ripe berry]

and through one of the post-game images we can infer it's daytime outside as the Background Color through a window in the Treehouse is the same color as a light in the treehouse, making it 9 AM when Nicky escapes

which means Ted flees around 9 AM in HNVR

so then why is he back at his house at 10 PM and why aren't the cops there?

the only way to avoid THAT contradiction is to say in the HN2 Timeline Ted is arrested and then escapes jail, but that isn't how HNVR shows the events

HNVR shows Ted Fleeing the scene with the cops on the tail

HNVR doesn't show a picture of Ted getting arrested, which you know... would make sense to show if he did get arrested there

they don't show that
They show the Cops showing up and Ted fleeing the scene

before HN2 had it's story changed making it this weird timeline that doesn't fit with anything Ted clearly still fled the scene and escaped to the Museum

so Ted fleeing the Scene is a constant except for in AS where they show him getting arrested

and there's still the HEAVY implication that Aaron was taken to Guest World in the HNVR Ending

you can say it's Ted all you want but still...

Ted is the enemy of the Cult

bro tried to kill cult members in AS before getting arrested in Episode 6

[opal jackal]

And the episode he will be in lines up more with the HN2 launch trailer than HN2 itself from what we've seen

Fun

[ripe berry]

plus: "You slipped up, now you're going down" implies that Leslie wouldn't let Ted out

(not to mention bro is making fun of Ted's Brother's Presumed Death there)

[opal jackal]

And it has the mirror van instead of the banner van

[ripe berry]

he's not protecting it

[opal jackal]

So ig the HN2 alphas are canon now /j

[ripe berry]

he's investigating it for information

this is standard Cop Procedure

which is also why he kicks Quentin off the crime scene

Leslie doesn't deal with Theo

Leslie gets into Ted's House, finds the Bag of Coins, and takes it to show to the Cult

yes I'm sure

Ted hates Leslie's Guts

Leslie helped kill Ted's Brother (as shown in the Peterson's Stick Together Teaser)

[opal jackal]

Instead we get Norman Darby (who looks almost exactly like Quentin and has the same job as Quentin) and Ike (who looks like Quentin, literally has "Quentin" in his name, and has the same job as HG Quentin)

[ripe berry]

and as I said the "You slipped up, now you're going down" line is literally making fun of the way Ted's Brother died

He got knocked back, slipped on Leslie, and went down into a giant hole in the Catacombs

Ted literally gets so mad he bashes his head into the window at that

plus Ted tried to kill Leslie in Episode 3

There's no way in hell Ted would make any deal with Leslie

[opal jackal]

Ted will brutally murder Leslie in season 3

[ripe berry]

TED TRIED TO KILL LESLIE IN EPISODE 3

[opal jackal]

Me

[ripe berry]

We LITERALLY see this on-screen

[ripe berry]

in-fact it's one of the first teasers for Episode 3 we got

hell one of the first non-script teasers for the current version of AS we got

Ted wouldn't make any kind of deal with Leslie, so Leslie taking the bag as evidence/to show it the Cult is the only logical explanation left

if you want to use it as proper reference I could send the Season 1 Video tinyBuild made

and it's clear they try to keep the characters consistent throughout AS

except for Trinity randomly getting PTSD between Episode 1 and 2

[opal jackal]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

with it then being forgotten that she has it in Episode 3

[dry depot]

guys new theory(idk if this is a new theory i don't keep up with the lore much) Theodores brother from the new season teaser is actually the guest

[tacit meadow]

i actually agree with that, I have been thnking about that

[snow mauve]

I don't like that idea honestly

[dry depot]

like he fell in the hole and then got turned into a crow creature

cuz we saw him turn into

smth

[snow mauve]

I mostly prefer having the guest as your Ancient Manifestation creature thing

As it was back then

I hope that's not being the case

[dry depot]

well as i remember the animated series is different from the actual game lore

[snow mauve]

It's the games and a bit of books lore

But just in a whole different narrative

[dry depot]

yeah

[snow mauve]

And a little bit of changes here and there

[dry depot]

how come?

[snow mauve]

Ehhhh

No he's just a creature

[snow mauve]

Season 2

[dry depot]

oh

[snow mauve]

We will see Quentin arrive there

[dry depot]

really?

[snow mauve]

Plus Ted will start growing a beard like he did in hn2

[snow mauve]

Yup

[dry depot]

oh that's cool

do you know this for sure

[snow mauve]

NOPE

That's just a theory

[dry depot]

a game theory

[snow mauve]

To me I just rather refer to him as some ancient creature

[dry depot]

makes the most sense

[spark tulip]

Definitely not.

Guest is referred to as "ancient" in HN2.

[shell gull]

That’s Old Lore, he’s an Entity from Ted only that’s it.

[ripe berry]

Guest ain't purely Ted's Brother

but most theories make Ted's Brother a host for the Guest

[dry depot]

that's kind of the idea I was getting

[ripe berry]

yeah

[barren parrot]

if the neigbour made a deal with the devil then i feel he might have made one with the spirits and it backfired the backfire was the guest coming to life

the detective might be seeing whats going on around the town

[dry depot]

that was old alpha lore

[barren parrot]

i got no clue bro

[snow mauve]

Old shit..

[manic dirge]

old lore

alpha lore

[tacit meadow]

yesh

[tribal talon]

doodoo lore

[dry depot]

bro was kinda late 💀

[thin wadi]

Welcome to the server

[barren parrot]

oof

got trolled in two seconds

bro i just started watching game theory i like matpat hopefully he makes some more hello neighbour

theories**

[barren parrot]

the old lore was the devil one not the spirit one right?

[tribal talon]

ye

but not rlly canon

[barren parrot]

okk

[dry depot]

he recently made one on AS but it was only about the piolt episode

kida disapointing

[barren parrot]

on spotify right?

[barren parrot]

tbh yeah watched that one it does have a few important things though

[dry depot]

what?

[barren parrot]

podcast

[dry depot]

they have a podcast?

[manic dirge]

he did

[fleet viper]

Does anyone else think Peterson's brother is the painting guy from the Alphas brought back?

[snow mauve]

Ehhhh i guess so yeah

Franklin is a thing now

[fleet viper]

It'd be funny because years ago I tried figuring out who that guy was, lore wise and I just thought he was his brother and Theo was up in his face like he was trying to fight or something and yes I know what the reference is

But

Who's Franklin?

[snow mauve]

Ted's Brother of course, it was revealed on Twitter a while ago from the voice actress that spoiled it

[snow mauve]

Well in the alphas, the painting is just Ted and that guy is Jesus Christ

Nothing too lore relevant back then, it's just a prop

[fleet viper]

Yea

[shell gull]

I mean, still isn’t, it’s just a Religious Easter Egg, no connection.

[tribal talon]

alex confirmed it

[steady nest]

Dudude

If you think about it

We basically become the neighbor in the forest area

We lock up door with wooden boards and we get hugged by the mannequins of diane and mya

And we are hunted by the guest

[hazy slate]

Quentin is young neighbor confirmed......

[wicked heath]

0%

yes

[snow mauve]

Duh

Tho it's the games and books lore just in a different narrative

With a few major changes

[ocean warren]

Interesting observation: an elevator platform in Act 1 is the same as in Act 3 in living room behind blue lock. Basement enterance is in living room... Staircase to Act 3 room can be comparable with stairs down to basement...

Blue lock is located behind golden apple picture. Nearby there are pictures recreating Ted's face. With blue key there's a magnet and lever unlocking next room with birthday stuff. You can enter it also through hole in living room with elevator platform.

In 'Search and Rescue' blue key is reachable after taking picture of Aaron's birthday in attic (HN1 Act 3 - you can enter it in living room behind blue lock). In Scout & Brave section in final level blue key inside clock that Scout opens. In HN2 blue tape we can hear camera flashes (it's at the same house as red tape, hm). In AS Episode 5 Bales' camera is blue... Floppies, as symbol of saved data/progress in video games (in HN too), is also blue. In Act 3 attic there's a globe that we suppose to freeze. Earth is spinning around its axis, like the clock hands... Blue color has context of memory, I suppose...

That attic, by the way, has rhombus-like window. We have rhombuses on wallpapers, but they're also on Ted's sweater... Rhombus has four vertices, in attic globe is locked behind gate with four lamps.

The elevator platform in Act 1 & 3 are going up after some item breaks distance to lever. In Act 1 you need to turn on fan in room behind yellow lock. Supermarket is called "The Golden Apple". Eyes context... In Beta 3, when you enter basement, you see big fan that leads you to golden apple tree. From here you can go to room full of cameras...

[ocean warren]

Do you know what's also blue ? 'Hide and Seek' logo...

That elevator platform in Act 1 gets you to window of nursery, which is title screen of H&S. In Act 3 platform leads you to "Fear Supermarket", where you have to buy some food. In this fear room (and after you beat it) you can hide from mannequins by becoming invisible - they can't see you: Hide & Seek... After playing hide & seek children are going to dinner. Funny that around their window there's a satellite dish...

I also want to point Nikita's comment about the game after demo release: "What if its not a prequel?.. nah"

Demo was first published in July 2018 through a messages in binary code and link on Twitter, which was weird. In the end of demo we see how crow is watching Peterson family have a dinner, but this cutscene is absent in full game... Then, I noticed that ending screen reminds me of Alpha 3 ending screen. In Alpha 3 we have an QR-code, which is split in two. Ending of third alpha takes place in living room on first floor. It has two doors: QR-code is located behind the one that leads to dinning room in main gameplay. So... dinning table is also split in two, if you look closely.

Other piece of QR is located in room next to Moon/Sun rooms (full game). This room in full game has fallen bunk bed & tool board (?), where in Act 1 there was an yellow wrench (Act 2 - freezer, where in Act 3 there's a keycard), which separates two boards: dinning table is representation of gender sides of the family, and female side dies, meaning that table is going to fall apart. These rooms with QR pieces have same doors layout and same wallpaper in full game.

Message hidden in QR says: "Can you see it? Remember 1003063 I had to hide it, they might find out." Hide & Seek... In Beta 3 QR-code mentions memory: "If you're reading it, it means you somehow achieved to change memory..."

Aaron's spoon is red & green. Red + green = yellow (golden apple?). He shares his spoon with Mya, and crow is watching. Mya is cursed, because we know that crow is related with golden apple, right ?

On December 14th of 2022 tinyBuild released an unlisted video... "THEY CROW", "WE KNOW": https://youtu.be/T9ECtiyEbgo

In ARG storyline "they" were obviously a developers, but what if I tell you that crows can represent them, at least their functions. In H&S crow can do a restart option: "I am stuck" button. After all, the whole town, where most of franchise takes place, is called Raven Brooks.

In "The Golden Apple" supermarket there is imagery of four eggs: from fourth one golden apple hatched. In HN2 cube with number four has yellow color, and it's in fridge... "Fourth wall" term came from theatre, and word "act" is used in theatre too. Aaron in first book likes doing pranks on town folks, like how player would like to mess with gameplay mechanics/break the game, which was inspirational thought for Nikita.

On DevGamm 2018 in Moscow he calls that main plot of HN is "external", which would make ARG plot "internal".

Yellow and purple colors, in my opinion, show that logic: yellow is external, material, while purple is internal, spiritual. Everything material has something spiritual in it. Purple color is combination of red & blue: magnet, scissors, machinery in HE, etc. In Act 2 Mya's dollhouse is closed on pink/purple lock (yellow key opens it): if you open doors in it, actual doors in Ted's house will open, same logic with lego man. In S&R aftet you free Bagger (yellow), he frees Detective (red&blue), who find a purple key behind picture with his magnifier, which is reference to ultraviolet lamp from Pre-Alpha.

Nikita said Act 3 is not a dream, even though it looks like, because Nicky lays down on couch and closes his eyes. And yellow alarm clock is loading symbol in the game. I think dreams have material meaning in HN universe, just like everything spiritual. It's like gnomes' night vision in HN2, which you can turn on by hitting them - closing their eyes ("sleep state").

Dream World is like a mirror side of the world, which could be controlled by people, who "have golden apple". It's a social hierarchy. I think this logic was represented in 'Puzzle Master' with "Ravens" & "Crows" meaning...

By the way, Ted mentions eggs in GN2: "We all have our lot in life. I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you? All you can do is build a new future. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?"

Eggs is also part of Easter. Mayak first physically appeared in SN Easter Alpha (2019), on Easter update (2020) cover Ted's green eye is in focus. In HN1 there's a "Space Jam" achievement with bunny icon on it. Yes, it's reference to song, but interestingly bunnies are also a part of Easter... To get a "Space Jam" achievement you have to throw basketball in hole. Basketball was a part of scrapped "Fear Factory" with big throw mechanic.

Guest in a lot of cases around something industrial, and he's a crow that can fly/break distance. Also, factory in HN1 map is around lake ("No Swimming" achievement), and "Fear Factory" was in water room. Above this room there's a mannequin, whose pose reminds me Ted's pose in ending...

In HGP Mayak is hidden behind a wall that rocket breaks. There's a lot of rocket & space stuff in this franchise: flight to the moon in SN & HE, in AS Episode 6 rocket is on wall in "Water Room" station from HN1, darts in HN1 look like a rocket, in Error World we can fly to moon with trampoline. Nikita implies that trampoline ending of Act 2 is canon, because Neighbor opens the door, and in cutscene it seems Nicky escaped by trampoline: I watched cutscene closely, it seems to be the case.

Also, do you know that croissants represent crescent moon ? In 'Puzzle Master' one of the luck devices look like crescent moon (?). Plus, pretzel symbol & raven key for museum can symbolize handshake, like a deal. Oh, Gerda, btw, has chicken on her pinafore (connection with eggs). In Mayor's mansion puzzle with gramophone can resemble flight to the moon.

In HN2 announcement trailer we can see a pig's head with apple in mouth (Lechon). Hog is one of the animals in museum. In beta we get it in Gerda's refrigerator in room closed on Bakery key. In full game it's in Ted's trunk. His car has crow symbol: HN1 - on trunk, HN2 - statuette on the hood. In HN1 trunk had a magnet (mill relates with it). Guest - crowman - takes everyting that people don't deserve. Plus, crows relation with golden apple... When you beat "Fear Supermarket", you get a "Hmmm Bacon" achievement: bacon is from... pig. Image of piggy bank becomes interesting, when you know about golden apple coins.

[manic dirge]

These are some good observations

[ocean warren]

Now, here's an idea: what if moon symbolize golden apple/Aaron/closed eye ?

Mayak in HGA1 is on mountain, and Aaron's name could mean "high mountain". Trenches of the moon resembles wormholes that can be made in apple - roller coaster in GAAP is called "Rotten Core" with symbol of worm in apple. Plus, when Aaron & Mya find each other after loss at weather station in 'Bad Blood', Mya says: "So what, you think I found a wormhole?" Also, in HGP bad ending Guest explodes the wall with many C4's.

I think red color relates to "sudden dissaperance/gone missing" topic: intentional way of beating red key puzzle in Act 3 is restart option (you just dissapear from trap room). Red color also relatable with round shape/pipes: Unreal Engine Missing Script, Pipe_To_OtherWorld (?) from HN2 alphas (Neighbor supposed to ride there, If I remember correctly), in Act 3 pipe is nearby red key. I can also connect it with russian expression "as if he had fallen through the ground". In old storyline symbol of fallen angel had a meaning, and it looked like a red road sign. Red leaves are also falling down at autumn...

Act 2 house can resemble a golden apple tree. At the end of this act Aaron also escapes from Ted... Flight to the moon/Mayak reveal/wall destruction can symbolize Ted's loss of Aaron, which leads to his anger/hurricane on town.

In HN2 treehouse (nest?) we can see an apple pillow, toys and two puzzles, one leading to another: knight figure & railway. Prize from the second one is red&blue (=purple) scissors. Observatory - moon & space style - area (Zone 3) in HE has spider boss fight. Spider can symbolize balance. Previous area (Zone 2) was about windmill & train, hm...

In Error World you use lines from data collected in three documents to disable Neural Network & free Neighbor's AI, but before that you need to let Neighbor "start corruption". Error World has purple vibe, messed up town, mirrored trees... The way you're cutting Network is the same as you're cutting web with scissors. If we compare this whole network/web stuff with tree, we can point a relation with gears & green color (cubes in Error World, EXIT sign, Ted eyes). On platform around house in Alpha 3 there's numbers 22381 with an apple. I found on Steam forums that these numbers are hex-code of dark-green color. In full game same platform has seed & bear carpet. Gear key from Mayor unlocks room, where we can get a bear head. Gears under ground in Act 3 & 'Back to School', like they are root system of the tree...

Green color can mean mechanism/determination. "Fear School", which gives ability to fight back the Neighbor, is locked on green key. Franklin has green sweater, and he fights with bullies. Purple color in Christianity relates with the exaltation of the Cross, the Passion of Christ, the ultimate act of love and sacrifice, as Jesus willingly suffered and died to redeem humanity's sins. And Franklin is based from Jesus... Other purple & green relations: DLC logos, in Alpha 3 "Fear School" room has mannequin with purple lighting & creepy sounds, luck devices & observatory lighting in 'Grave Mistakes'.

[ocean warren]

Corruption comparable with Ted starting hurricane (merging real & mirror world, like a magnet), ruining balance to stop Forest Protectors/Ravens. When we finish Error World, Neighbor stands in T-pose (like a cross) and dissapears. Just like, I guess, he dissapears after huriccane in HN2, and Guest appears after that. S&R ending seems to symbolize this process: Guest wakes & scares Ted, so he run away from him using big yellow key (Aaron ?) to open big lock, but Guest merge with him in the end. Interestingly you need open blue & purple locks to get to sleeping Ted. This reminds me about blue key & magnet behind golden apple picture with other pictures that resembles Ted's face...

HN2 story seems to be based from Nikolai Gogol's "Dead Souls". One of the Nikita's hobby projects - Auditorium - is based from Gogol's "Viy", so why not ?

In "Dead Souls" Pavel Chichikov - main character - rides to landowners to buy dead peasants. There's five landowners, and one of them is woman: Korobochka - second landowner that Chichikov visits. Sobakevich in his appearance and behavior "resembles a bear", and his last name is based from russian word of dog - sobaka. Plyushkin's village was abandoned & had a lot of trash. Chichikov's last name means "echoic of bird's chirping and scissors snipping" (is Guest design was based on myth of human-like birds with scissors ?)

I think HN2 will contain four chapters, based from interesting names of maps in SN. Story's based from ARG storyline in HN1, where Neighbor's AI was under devs' control, just like in Norse mythology big wolf Fernir was being hold by gnomes (gnomes in Snow White story runs to punish Queen, because she gave poisoned apple to SW - "Don't Bite Snow White" achievement for golden apple in HN1). You can erase AI after you have all three documents, just like Ted gone/replaced or merged with Guest after Aaron escaped (who was locked on three locks/animals). Aaron is related with golden apple, breaking fourth wall/rules, what Ravens don't like.

Some people say Gogol burned second volume of "Dead Souls", because he didn't know how to show Chichikov's moral revival. It seems Ted's disappearence & house burning is... irreversible.

(I'm done)

[manic dirge]

Aaron was pulled into the nest in the HNVR ending. He didn’t run away.

[ocean warren]

Yet we hear something going on in house, when Nicky escapes (HN1). To me, ending shows how Guest helped Aaron to escape: by freeing Nicky. We see Aaron's missing poster after we see... everything else in credits.

[manic dirge]

That’s theorized to be the guest distracting Ted

[cerulean onyx]

What did I just read

This feels AI generated

[manic dirge]

The most schizophrenic theory

But hey it’s just a theory

[astral agate]

I'm willing to bet it is.

Since he typed it all out pretty quickly

[cerulean onyx]

The last message somehow goes from HN2 having 4 chapters, to HN1 error world, to norse mythology Fenrir, to Snow White gnomes ??, to a HN1 achievement name, back to error world, to Aaron being related to the golden apple???

[manic dirge]

Wait so what was he trying to say in this whole thing

[cerulean onyx]

i dont know

[ripe berry]

Hold on I need to show this to my friend in the insane asylum fellow HN Theorist

[fleet viper]

What have I stumbled upon

[hazy slate]

I'm glad me and my fellow lunatic aren't the only people who suspect color has some major importance

[ripe berry]

the hellohole

[hazy slate]

Though we suspect green may be tied to memories aswell thanks to the green key seemingly being present frequently in hello neighbor diaries

[ripe berry]

most normal FNaF Lore Conversation

[hazy slate]

We just need to find out exactly what makes it different from blue

[manic dirge]

I feel like it’s AI generated

[hazy slate]

I don't

[ocean warren]

Ctrl C + Ctrl V. Was writing this for a week...

[hazy slate]

Me and a friend have had insane ramblings about HN lore before in DMs

[manic dirge]

Ohhhh.

[ripe berry]

it's the most normal FNaF Theory what are you talking about

[manic dirge]

It was that you typed it almost instantly

That was why

[hazy slate]

None of those theories have ever been published because they are simply too far over the edge to publish

[manic dirge]

I mean yea

[ripe berry]

but this guy decided to publish his

[hazy slate]

We've been trying to make it make more sense though to post here.

[manic dirge]

I do get some parts of what he’s saying

[snow mauve]

I'm soooooo

Confusion rn

[manic dirge]

🤫🧏

[snow mauve]

Feeling a bit of brainrot

[snow mauve]

SHUT

UP

[hazy slate]

You're in neighbor nerd hell

you'll never escape

[snow mauve]

I am..

How..

[manic dirge]

🤫🧏

[hazy slate]

because today we're gonna tell you how this garbage bag can be used to solve the greater neighbor hello universe

[ripe berry]

surprised dude had enough confidence to post the hello-hole

[shut hill]

What was that guy on about earlier 😭💀

[hazy slate]

Technically green leads to fear school, which can be connected over to scream school from the books, which you could say counts as a memory.

[shut hill]

Literally writing multiple essays bro..

[hazy slate]

Man this is lore discussion

you shouldn't NOT expect this kinda thing

[ripe berry]

it happens so rarely that you can learn to not expect it

[hazy slate]

I mean true

most of the time it's someone asking a on the surface question like

"How canon are the books?"

or

"What is the thing?"

[ripe berry]

but this is what happens when someone has too much freetime on their hands and is barely holding onto sanity

[hazy slate]

may or may not also apply to us

[ripe berry]

or it's one of the 500 hourly timeline debates

[hazy slate]

Seeing someone else go as deep as we do sometimes is rare

[ripe berry]

it's rare to see someone straight up post a essay that is about as sane as MatPat's FNaF Theories sometimes are

the biggest stretch before it starts looking like the Theorizer wrote this is the thing about the Act 2 house looking like a Golden Apple Tree

who am I kidding the entire thing is basically the Theorizer's levels of insanity
Also surprised you didn't mention Nicky's Shorts in Act 1 having the Golden Apple on them

[hazy slate]

Yeah, That's honestly the only thing that's honestly truly insane here

(By our standards)

[ripe berry]

(which are basically non-existent)

I mean there's standards to sharing the theories but the theories themselves are like we had a little too much of Gerda's Secret Pie Ingredients

Imma hop off for a bit

[hazy slate]

Otherwise known as drugs

[hazy slate]

Alright

[snow mauve]

No

[hazy slate]

yes

[snow mauve]

Nah

I think I'll pass