lore-discussion

[tribal talon]

While Bagger slams the Guest

[snow mauve]

*gets killed by guest

[tribal talon]

Nope

Body slams him

[silver cargo]

Isn't there also a possibilty that the DLC's are non-canon?

Or has it been confirmed that the DLC's have an influence on the story?

[potent harness]

I'd say the DLC is more like filler than being non-canon

[snow mauve]

I would assume it takes place after the base game

But that's just my own headcanon thing

[stiff spire]

I would probably say imo it takes place before the events of HN2 when Quentin travels to Raven Brooks on his map that's why we see red X's on the map when it reaches nighttime in the intro because the DLCs were more like suspects since probably Quentin tried questioning the locals before finding Mr. Peterson red handed with Aaron in the intro

[cerulean onyx]

The DLCs are canon and both of them take place before Main Game intro
In the School DLC the intro tells us he goes there to find files with information about the missing children (which the rest of the DLC and ending doesnt really match with currently)
In the Library DLC the intro tells us he goes there to get the Raven Brooks Archive book to find information about the town, its events and citizens to pick out valid suspects (which does actually line up with the ending as its been changed to fit it)

Basically both DLCs are just Quentin preparing to start his main investigation

[ripe berry]

RBB Archives reference both DLCs (and based off different font for the writing seem to be from Quentin and not the Missing Journalist) so at the very least information from the DLCs can be treated as canon, even if you say the DLCs aren't actually canon

[ripe berry]

yeah

[snow mauve]

Right

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[opal jackal]

I don't care

[astral agate]

Cool

I call him mascot guest

Bc of my old art

[safe charm]

The guest mascot is

Canon

Hello engineer and AS screenshot

[thin wadi]

Canon isn't even a word at this point

At least imo

With old lore we almost had a complete story and then new lore scrambled everything

We have so little confirmation on events that actually happened and there are many inconsistencies

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[opal jackal]

Afro you just got OK'D

By vect0rism

[silver cargo]

Interesting.

Isn't the beak actually made of two wooden planks?

[snow mauve]

Guest is a creatureeee

[opal jackal]

True

[thin wadi]

ok

[shell gull]

Yeah I think it’s safe to say the Canon Event is gonna happen:

Nicky’s Trauma Arc

[snow mauve]

SHADOW MAN

[tribal talon]

nicky is homeless

poor guy

[leaden knoll]

Poor nicky

[leaden knoll]

Makes sense

This is more realistic but imagine if they do make them fight and win 💀that would be a L

[opal jackal]

He isn't

[rare shard]

Is helloneighbor alpha 1 abt his mothers death ?

[cerulean onyx]

What?

[rare shard]

is it

bc theres a grave in the house and it is abt his mother

[cerulean onyx]

Its not about that at all
The Alphas all have a completely different story from the final full release and are not canon
In the Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1 the player isn't even Nicky

The story in Pre-Alpha and Alpha 1 is about the player getting into a car crash and going into a coma
We dont know what most of the things are about as it was never finished and therefore never concluded

[rare shard]

but i wonder what was the grav all about

grave

[snow mauve]

Nothing!

[rare shard]

but why is it so that ur mission is to dig it up

[snow mauve]

Because

Game design

[cerulean onyx]

There was a theory that the Alpha 1 house connects to what the player did when he wasnt in a coma
which is kinda odd to think about considering you
Dig a teacher out of a grave
And then get a rifle from the school puzzle

[rare shard]

yes tho but how do i play the version where has the storyline and not alphas

[cerulean onyx]

?

The full game ?

[rare shard]

yes

[cerulean onyx]

Just get the full game on Steam,

[rare shard]

bc my steam alphas dont even work properly

and thje full version skips the scenes

ive played this hnb on xbox and there u could choose what scene u wanted

i was wondering why it wont work like that properly

even tho ive played the alpha 2 like 3 times already thru adn i go to the basement i lags me on a black screen adn says helloneighborgame.com

[cerulean onyx]

That means you finished the alpha

[rare shard]

i rlly dont know is this a bug or is i normal bc it happens on the xbox but it goes away

[rare shard]

but how do i continue the full version

[young kayak]

what is HNB ?

[rare shard]

helloneighbor

[cerulean onyx]

You have to buy the full game

[rare shard]

shortened

[rare shard]

but i did

i got the game and i could only play thge alphas on steam

[cerulean onyx]

Is the game not showing up in your steam library ?

It should just be called "Hello Neighbor"

[rare shard]

i got em

[cerulean onyx]

The top one

[rare shard]

i wont open

[cerulean onyx]

That's the full game

Oh It wont open

[rare shard]

theres a clock adn it crashes

[cerulean onyx]

Hold on

[rare shard]

its wiersd

[young kayak]

https://tinybuildgames.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/7927998907028--PC-The-game-doesn-t-start try to follow it

[rare shard]

aa thx for the ervice boys

thank you fr

[tribal talon]

im just joking

[solar coral]

is it gonna be a new hello neighbor 2 lvl i have playd all

[little knot]

I buyed hn2 + all DLC

I got: hn1, hn2, hn search and rescue VR, secret neighbor, all alphas and hn nicky's diaries

[solar coral]

i have the delux edition

[little knot]

Whats that?

[solar coral]

you get evy thing in hello neighbor 2

[little knot]

Ah okok

Me too

BC i got DLC's too

[solar coral]

me to but did not get endings

[little knot]

Okkk

[unkempt sleet]

Yes the story will continue in a future update to the game
If thats what youre asking

[brazen edge]

Hey so i just read reset day, is there any sequel or follow up? Still kinda confused

Or was there something I missed?

Going on to the graphic novels next

[safe charm]

No no sequel the closest you will get to a follow up is if the Animated series decided to adapt

It

[brazen edge]

Wait seriously so it just ends there

[safe charm]

Sadly

Yes

[brazen edge]

Damn thats a shame 😔

[safe charm]

But again the animated series hopefully might follow it up

If they kept reset day as canon in AS

[brazen edge]

So is reset day after act 3 or before

I was a bit confused on the timeline

Was expecting the story to keep going so many loose ends :/

[safe charm]

Its after

[ripe berry]

If you pay attention to the Cover of the book you can see that the Book's Ending is literally the Beginning of the book, the book itself is a time-loop

[ripe berry]

which will never get solved since they decided to change HN2's Lore to be in line with the then-upcoming Animated Series (now we have Season 1 of it)

and if you want to look at things in order the timeline is this:
Graphic Novel 1
Book 4-6
Book 1/Hello Neighbor: Hide and Seek
Book 2
Book 3/Hello Neighbor 1 Act 1
Hello Engineer
Secret Neighbor (before Quentin Update)
Hello Neighbor VR: Search and Rescue
Hello Neighbor 1 Act 2
Hello Neighbor 2 Beta
Graphic Novel 2
Hello Neighbor 1 Act 3/Finale
Hello Neighbor: Nicky's Diaries
Book 7

[shell gull]

Ah ha ha ha…wait your serious?

[safe charm]

Yeah

[shell gull]

The follow up was supposed to be Old HN2 (HN2 when it was being worked with it’s original story), though that got scrapped.

[shell gull]

Yeah no, not possible.

[safe charm]

How

Not

[shell gull]

Because RD is Old Lore, even if they tried to adapt it, it’s not gonna work, look at Ep 6 when they tried to fit Search and Rescue, and AS Plot would not fit RD, The Guest isn’t remotely the same to AS Guest, Piper and her family are non existent, Time Loops probably don’t exist, there’s a lot that they would have to make AS Non Canon just to fit RD into AS.

It’s like shoving two puzzle pieces that don’t fit to make them fit.

Not possible.

[safe charm]

Okay but i dont see it as old lore new lore

I see it as different interpetations

Of the lore

Theres the games

Theres the AS

Theres the Books

[shell gull]

That’s just an opinion, there’s difference in opinion and fact, and the fact it’s that there are Two Lores and one is slowly going away, while the other is the New Thing A.K.A. New Lore.

[safe charm]

Old lore had become new lore

It got changed

[shell gull]

Oh god the time loop kicked in again…

[safe charm]

The media that dont fit simply is inconsistent

Because its older

[shell gull]

This is like the eighth time we had the same conversation.

[safe charm]

Mimimi

Anyways i dont care if hnvr isnt canon

Anymore tbh

[shell gull]

Alex already confirmed that New Lore is a NEW Pipeline, not a Changed Pipeline, if one got retconned that doesn’t explain HND, it’s retired or at the least going into retirement, I’ve explained that so many times bru.

[shell gull]

Ok.

[shell gull]

While yes Alex isn’t the most trustworthy he said this in Devgamm, so he couldn’t be spitting lies in something like that.

[safe charm]

Also

Is this the guest or not

Some Think its a cultist instead of the guest

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s The Guest obviously.

[safe charm]

Why does he seem idk almost like a human in some ways

In AS

He doesnt feel as creature like

[shell gull]

This is what a Cultist looks like according to HN2.

They are very different.

And we already know that’s The Guest.

[shell gull]

Not trying to say anything, but a couple months ago you were talking about how The Guest is so animal like in HNVR, and now how he’s so human like, he’s an Entity, there’s no “too much like” that’s just how he acts.

[safe charm]

In reset day

When the beak dissapears and reveals a mustache

Does it just disappear by itself

Or did Ted need to remove the mask

[shell gull]

Disappears by itself.

[safe charm]

How are we sure its a mask i dont get that

It could very well be his face

That has morphed by the guest

[shell gull]

Because the Book confirms that they just switch body’s like a morph.

[safe charm]

Wdym so its not a mask?

Its his actual face?

[shell gull]

Uh yeah.

They fused.

[safe charm]

Ew

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[safe charm]

I thought that the beak had mr Peterson face inside like a mask

But not that it was his actual face

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[shell gull]

I mean the plot was The Guest possessed Ted and over time they became more of a singular body where The Guest was the one in control.

[safe charm]

Also im getting mixed answers some say that he was possesing Ted underwater while some say when he leaves it

[shell gull]

It was when Ted was underwater, that’s why Ted comes out of the water in the Crowman Costume.

[safe charm]

Ahh okay

[spark tulip]

I do not think so.

The fingers look different compared to that one image of Guest's design.

[shell gull]

Ahh, never noticed that, though didn’t Alex say The Guest could be someone, though no it’s probably a Cultist since if it is a person then HN2 wouldn’t make sense, though it was originally thought that this was The Guest, we just have to wait and see.

[astral agate]

Nah

A cultist doesn't look like that

[shell gull]

What I was thinking but then you realise AS and HN2 suck at fitting together.

[astral agate]

I made a fanmade cultist

It either looks worse or better

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[astral agate]

Forest protectors

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[astral agate]

Wait

That's what the forest protectors look like in AS?

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[tribal talon]

this design is so cool

i hope they don´t mess it up and make it the standart forest protector design for the hn franchise

[shell gull]

I mean this is what they most likely would’ve looked like in Old Lore.

[tribal talon]

Yeah.
Good that HN2 is going to use them, because they look very good

[cold gull]

Which is SN relevance in the lore? And which lore is it fitting in?

I mean, old lore? New one?

[shell gull]

Anything before 2023 Halloween Update is Old Lore, anything after is HN2, though Old Lore and New Lore things have been constantly added at both time periods, so it’s pretty much just either one.

It’s a mix just constantly switching.

[ripe berry]

Both basically

The only things that are confirmably New Lore are Quentin and Mr. Otto's appearances in the game

and the artstyle change

[tribal talon]

Old Lore is things from 2016-2019

New Lore is things from 2020-present

[opal jackal]

Actually

Old lore is Hello Neighbor 1, Hide and Seek, Hello Neighbor VR, Hello Neighbor Diaries, Old Hello Neighbor 2 , Hello Engineer, All 7 books, GN1, GN2

New lore is current Hello Neighbor 2, Welcome to Raven Brooks, current Secret Neighbor

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[opal jackal]

Nah

Quit lying vector

[tribal talon]

(he isn´t lying)

[opal jackal]

He is!

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[shell gull]

Uh not really.

[steady nest]

Blud here inventing things

[opal jackal]

No

I'm not Ivan Torre

Oh great depkis is here

[snow mauve]

Nice lies

[snow mauve]

hello friend!!!!

[opal jackal]

I'm not lying, Mr. Kis

[snow mauve]

Aw it's sooooooo good to see you

[snow mauve]

In actuality

The lore is the same

[opal jackal]

No

[snow mauve]

There is NO old and new lore

Yes

[opal jackal]

It's very different

[snow mauve]

You've been brainwashed

By fools

[opal jackal]

There are obvious retcons

[snow mauve]

you're wearing a mask

It's all FAKE

[opal jackal]

I'm not fake neighbor

[silver cargo]

Isn't the new story a kind of simplified version of the old story?
I could be wrong, but didn't Alex say that the new story was only developed to make it suitable for a series, since the scope of the old story wouldn't be suitable for a series?

You are welcome to correct me.

[strange lance]

Basically from what I gathered, he said that the story was getting too confusing. He didn't say WHAT made it confusing or how, he just said that, and that the AS would clear things up even all it does it cause even more confusion to new people.

The books according to Alex are not canon to the AS, but that's never been announced publically so imagine a new member reading a hn book, and watching the AS contradict that, and then playing hn1 and also seeing things not lining up

They're gonna get confused and leave

so the AS really does not help lmao

he says it connects to other hn games, acting as if what the AS is saying is what was always intended, even though that's just him trying to rewrite past stuff, again causing contradictions.

idk why he said that stuff

[silver cargo]

I love the HN franchise like the FNaF franchise, confusing as duck.

[strange lance]

true

heres a example

Alex says that hn1 was Nicky in a therapy session with a therapist.

Hn1 shows us that it's actually self therapy in nickys head

Alex says that what hn1 showed was a lie! Nicky wasn't freed by Aaron that was just his mind confusing stuff!

but hn1 does show aaron freeing nicky, and then again in hnvr

[silver cargo]

I remember when my favourite german yt theorized about one picture in Nickys apartment, when there was still, I think beta 1.

[silver cargo]

Huh?

[strange lance]

Alex says that HE connects to the AS, in HE the club consists of trinity, ivan, enzo, and maritza in a van near the park not associated with the school, but the AS says that Nicky is also part of this club, and that the club itself is some teachers club

Basically, Alex is trying to make it seems like that what the AS says is what the true stuff is, which is far from the truth

[silver cargo]

[strange lance]

the AS contradicts hn2 despite alex saying it's "directly connected"

example

In hn2 quentin arrives before the police go to teds house, and he crashes during the night

in the AS quentin arrives after the police arrive to the house, and it's during the day

how do you mess up that bad

[silver cargo]

Yeah, I always notice these problems.

I read this chat everyday and get confused at some points.

But I am honest, I am more invested in the HN lore than the FNaF lore.

[silver cargo]

Maybe HN2 shows what could happen, not what will happen.

[strange lance]

fnaf lore is ok rn they're getting more straight forward with it as of recently

[strange lance]

see I would accept that, except Alex keeps saying that it's all definitive when it literally cannot be lmao

here's another example

The school in the dlc is owned by the janitor, the school closed cause the kids went missing

but the AS says the school is owned by some random lady principal, and the school is entirely different looking, and then the principals office explodes

and then the archives thing shows the dlc school, saying the chemistry room exploded despite there being no visuals of this in game

that is THREE major contradictions

[silver cargo]

What I always ask myself is how do you want to inject a new story into a franchise that is already on the rocks?

I mean, the larger part of YT, for example, has already turned away from the franchise. I saw a YTer who was absolutely confused when he saw the HN2 ending because he assumed Arron died.
He was thought then, like many others, that the HN developers didn't know what to do with the story.

You know what, in my opinion they could have taken a completely new path with Hello Guest instead of sticking to the same thing over and over again and changing it over and over again even though the majority of people don't even care and getting even more confused.

With Hello guest you could have really started something new, or something semi-new.

What I want to say is that it doesn't make sense to keep changing the story, the majority of people won't understand it anyway, you should start with something new, which can still be part of Helloe neighbor, just differently.

[flint edge]

.

[ripe berry]

RBO Theory: Based off the right-hand side of this image, RBO seems to take place after a Storm, meaning RBO is either:
A: (Only Old Lore option) After GN2
B: After AS Episode 7
or C: in the Middle of the Hello Neighbor 2 Story Expansion

[manic dirge]

or D: not cannon to any lore and is just a multiplayer game to play

[manic dirge]

also this house kinda reminds me of the hn1 alpha 1 house

[ripe berry]

yeah but until we see it doesn't fit into either lore I'm gonna at least try to make theories on it that link it to other parts of the franchise

[eternal mica]

what does the golden coin mean

[ripe berry]

it is somethign tied to luck

basically the coins seem to have a small amount of Luck manipulation, but if you lose the coins you lose that luck it gave you

and it seems loosing luck is linked to imminent death

(or running out of luck to be specific)

however despite the coins seeming to be lucky in AS, HNVR calls them "Unlucky Coins"

[shell gull]

It’s to do with Luck, The Cult use it to keep Townspeople at bay.

“Lose this coin lose your life”

[ripe berry]

different timelines (for the most part other then some overlapping things) so it doesn't matter too much

[ripe berry]

yeah

[misty sentinel]

So I was reviewing the lore since I haven't been involved in HN in a while and I realized there's three major characters in the series with red hair (the Inventor, Beatrix, and Mya Peterson)

Lmk if this seems like a stretch but I have a hunch that Beatrix and Ivan are related in some way because a) only 2% of the US population (10mil) has red/ginger hair and Missouri has a population of ~5mil, and it's unlikely that in a non-population dense state there's a lot of redheads as opposed to any other hair color; b) Both Beatrix and Ivan have ties to the GAAP, and in the AS it's implied that before SN Ivan has had at least one run-in with Peterson, who visits the amusement park often.

It's only a theory and I doubt TinyBuild would develop characters that in-depth, it just seems fishy to me that for a significantly small population there's quite a few redheads in the series

[snow mauve]

Here's the thing

Beatrix is siblings with Quentin apparently

But interesting theory you made

[snow mauve]

Also you forgot to mention Diane Peterson

She has red hair too

[misty sentinel]

Wait wha

since when

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[ripe berry]

In Patch 9 Hotfix 4 there is a grave near the church, in-which you can barely see a newspaper with a Younger Beatrix on it. This newspaper (when translated from Wayron Croobian/Warped English) reads as follows:
Deadly Hiding!
Still no word (on) the missing girl. "We were just playing hide and seek with Beatrix," says her brother Q- (Paper cuts off at the Q, telling us the person Beatrix is the sister of has a Q in their name (which works for Quentin because his Wayron Croobian name on his Presss Badge is Quenitn), and if there's doubt it's Quentin one can find coffee cups and a monitor around the Gravesite implying Quentin to have visited this grave

[snow mauve]

Since hello neighbor 2's patch 9 hotfix 4

There's a ripped newspaper underneath that random grave confirming that Quentin is Beatrix's brother

The newspaper says: DEADLY HIDING
Still no word on the missing girl. “We were just playing hide and seek with Beatrix.” says her brother Q

[silver vine]

clarification: The police tape is there at the house in AS when Quenitn arrives because the cops already raided the house when they arrested Peterson in ep6 which takes place sometime before HN2 intro. And then he sees Ted and guest at night and crashes.

dont confuse yourself before hand

just wait and watch

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[misty sentinel]

oh okay I see now

[snow mauve]

Yep

[main vale]

yo

[tribal talon]

Remember when the lore had Delroy be a bales

As said in the HN notebook

[snow mauve]

Buddy

That's misinformation

You do know that

That was actually never canon

Never believe the HN Notebook

[tribal talon]

Either it was a last minute choice of making them related or it was never true at all

[snow mauve]

It was obviously never true at all

The bales never even have a son

Only a daughter

[tribal talon]

Unless Bagger was flushed down the toilet and was there long lost son

[hazy slate]

E: it IS canon and takes place before book 1 and hide and seek. Aaron trilogy storm.

[ripe berry]

Did either message send or is my internet that bad?

And F: It's the AS Timeline Storm leading up to the death of iane peterson

(I will not try to correct since my internet is acting like it's 2003 rn)

[supple coral]

G: its another world layer thought up by our observers from above

[tawny badge]

I think the window that lights up at the end of HGP was supposed to be Aaron and we were playing as ike

Cus in the books aaron is exploring the weather station and gets found by ike gershowitz (security guard)

[manic dirge]

cool theory

[tawny badge]

thx

[manic dirge]

np

[tribal talon]

Poop

[sick abyss]

Yes, such wise words

[tribal talon]

can we go back to mirror world tweaking

[opal steeple]

hey anyone here rn up to helping me explain the entirety of hn game lore to a friend or two

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor lore

Mr. Peeson had wife, son and daughter

They be happy

So they move to raven brooks cuz Ted screwed up with his shit

Then Aaon met Nikki rocks

And they be fwends

Before Nikki existed,

Aaon met trinty, ezo, mart, and Lucy YEEEETS

they be cool

Until Lucy YEEETS yeeted herself on a tree and die from deeodore park

Because THE CULTTTTT that gave them bad luck

The cult want to RUINNNNNN the peesons. (Also aaon and mia found out about MAYAK that was made by DEEODORE parents, also Ike was peeson's best friend and went missing (or killed))

So Deedore lost his wife and daughter cuz BAD LUCK

Now deedore is sad with aaon

And lock aaon because he sucks and should be forgotten

[opal steeple]

deodore

[snow mauve]

meanwhile nikki lost all his friends (Enzo, trinity, and Maritza) cuz deeodore framed his dumbass

So Nikki went out and broke into deedore house

And get in the basement

PLOT TWIST IT'S A TRAP

So Nikki is trapped with aaon

MONTTTTTTHHHS LATER

Nikki old fwends wanna help him

So they try to save Nikki and fail cuz they're idiots

Meanwhile the birb man existed

So he helped aaon freeing everyone and the birb went out to annoy deodore because why not he's bored

meanwhile Nikki escaped and has PTSD cuz scawwy

[opal steeple]

truly the lore of all time

[snow mauve]

Hello peak 2 begins

Quing tons drove around and almost killed himself

And got SHOVEL MEMED

FATALITY!

He lost a few brain cells

So he broke into CULTTTTT houses

To get keys

And save aaon

But DEEODORE went like

HUAGGHHHHH

And trap quing tons

Meanwhile quing tons escaped and aaon betrayed him because

MISTER HELLO NEIGHBOR MAN IS DYING

And then CLIFFHANGER

ALSO THE CULTTTTT drag quing tons to meet the birb man

And that's it

You're welcome @opal steeple

Also Nikki grow fat and had to fight the FEEEEAAAARSSSSS

very scary

[opal steeple]

fear_everything

[snow mauve]

Honestly I would make a whole joke video

Explaining the whole HN lore

[snow mauve]

Forgot to mention that deeodore died by birb man (by drowning him) cuz he needed to and mayak got destroyed. Also the birb man possesses deodore body and went out to look for Piper. Also Enzo went out missing when he's grown for whatever reason. The end

[tawny badge]

Hello neighbor takes place in 1997 and the TITANIC also came out in 1997

I just thought it was interesting

[sacred dawn]

so random question, what happend to aaron after nicky became a adult? is aaron still out there or what?

[unkempt sleet]

We dont know

[wooden hollow]

aaron is trapped in the nest....

[unkempt sleet]

Nah

[wooden hollow]

stop denying the truth

[unkempt sleet]

The last thing that happened to Aaron we know about is HN2 ending

[unkempt sleet]

The truth is just speculation

[wooden hollow]

well HNVR ends with us playing as Aaron, and the background for the credits is the nest skybox

So it's showing Aaron in the nest

[unkempt sleet]

Who says its not just a cool credit detail

[wooden hollow]

Me

[unkempt sleet]

I love uoy

[wooden hollow]

I am Hello Neighbor VR Search & Rescue

I love you too

[unkempt sleet]

I am Hello Neighbor 2 and i say Aaron is not in the nest

Everytime i say Aaron i think of Ayran

[wooden hollow]

Well I think HNVR's story ends with Aaron in the nest, but that detail isn't canon to the HN story

Because I think it's a cool ending

[unkempt sleet]

HNVR is cool

[wooden hollow]

It is

[unkempt sleet]

I wish i couldve play it

[tawny badge]

Wait doesn't hnvr happen before hn2?

[unkempt sleet]

it does

[snow mauve]

Yes HNVR takes place before HN2

[tawny badge]

Yea i know

I wasn't saying that way

[snow mauve]

But technically in HN2

Nicky was already found

So it was like later on after Nicky escaped

[unkempt sleet]

HN2 takes place right after Act 2
Right after Nicky escapes

[safe charm]

Nope

Ep7 happens before as well so its not right after

[snow mauve]

SILENCE

Dumb child..

We're talking about the other lore for games not AS..

[shell gull]

We just gonna forget Old Lore

[safe charm]

Yes

[shell gull]

L

[safe charm]

Because what happens in AS is now the offical events

It seems

[shell gull]

HND left the chat

Both are official

[safe charm]

Book based game

But then

Again

[shell gull]

Anything FROM TB and EGS is official

[safe charm]

We dont know how much of book 1 is canon to AS

[shell gull]

Common sense

[shell gull]

None of it

[safe charm]

Sure

Buddy

[manic dirge]

💀

[shell gull]

“Buddy”

Smh

[shell gull]

Bru gaslighting themselves

[safe charm]

I agree

With alex tbh

[shell gull]

It’s crazy how we knew this a while back

That’s why we say

AS interpretation

Not the same lore

[safe charm]

It is

Kinda

[shell gull]

Just interpreting

[safe charm]

But also not

[strange lance]

the AS uses the same lore as other hn media, it just uses it in different ways

it's a different continuity

[safe charm]

Also

I doubt hn2 is

Completely connected with AS

[shell gull]

It isn’t none of the Old Lore events are New Lore just interpreted

[safe charm]

The red tape for some reason reminds

Me of what happened

In the pilot and book 2

[shell gull]

“Digging graves”

[safe charm]

I honestly got no idea

What red tape is about

[shell gull]

BRB

[safe charm]

Or when it is

Okay

[manic dirge]

ong

thats what I believe

that no one really remembered it correctly

[safe charm]

Have you read the Books btw?

[manic dirge]

yes

all of them

well besides the guide book

[safe charm]

Did book 7 imply the guest being the neighbor in some form to you

Did you get that impression

[manic dirge]

well i havent read book 7 in awhile

[safe charm]

Was mr Peterson wearing a costume in your opinion

By the guest possesion or like others thinks its his body now

[manic dirge]

Yeah kinda

i think he was

[safe charm]

Also at what point do you Think he went insane

Theodore

[manic dirge]

completely insane?

or kinda insane

[safe charm]

Kinda insane

I guess

[manic dirge]

well prob before the events of bosco bay

maybe in his 20s

[safe charm]

In book 1 ending what happened

To aaron why was there a note with blood on it saying i make bad things happen

I asked different people

Did mr Peterson beat him up towards a Window or what

[manic dirge]

Aaron prob tried to escape and ted took aaron back into the basement. Either aaron or ted got cut.

most likely Aaron

[safe charm]

So why was mr Peterson screaming in a mirror after diane funeral in your opinion

He says weird stuff

Like no please just stop

What is he seeing if anything

[manic dirge]

its most likely him talking to himself

[safe charm]

Yeah i never understood why Ted was so completely insane by book 1

[manic dirge]

he doesn’t want to except that diane is dead

[safe charm]

Like before his family

Died

He still feels completely insane for some reason

[manic dirge]

hes always been somewhat insane

[safe charm]

Do they ever explain why

He is that way

[manic dirge]

not that i know of

[safe charm]

Hm

[manic dirge]

something could’ve happened during his childhood

[safe charm]

Why does AS neighbor feel more like the hn1 alpha neighbor in some aspects

Like more of a creepy Guy

[manic dirge]

i dont know

character design choice

[safe charm]

I wonder if he has killed anyone or not

It doesnt seem like it

But

[manic dirge]

i also kinda think trinity is misremembering when she moved in

since her whole time in raven brooks has been a distorted memory

[shell gull]

Pretty sure that was just Nicky

[manic dirge]

but the act 3 house wasnt ever there. right?

[ripe berry]

He thinks the Show is not Distorted Memories but that Act 3 is Imagination

[eternal mica]

I just beat hello neighbor 2 and does anyone know who hit quentin?

[astral agate]

Cultists

I think

[ripe berry]

yep

[astral agate]

Yeah

Wait.

I feel like there is a reason they took quentin specifically

Wait.

I could be onto something

[unkempt sleet]

They took Quentin because Quentin was onto them

[wicked heath]

Because Beatrix was his sister and also Ted problem

Quentin is having a Mike Schmidt plot

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think it has anything to do with Beatrix

[wicked heath]

It sure looks like it to mee

[unkempt sleet]

They took Quentin because Quentin was getting so close to them. especially after seeing Mayor's secret room

[astral agate]

Yeah I was onto nothing

[manic dirge]

i would think all of it is a distorted memory. why does trinity have a cell phone? when its supposed to be in 1996

[ripe berry]

Actually 1996 is retconned

#hello-neighbor message

I know HN2 Says 1996 and fixed a texture to say 1996

but Alex said it's "a bit" after 1997 because of the Smartphones

and he's responding for both AS AND HN2

[manic dirge]

1997, whatever. what im saying is that trinity has a modern cellphone which didnt exist back then

[ripe berry]

I was saying Alex is forcing the Smartphones to be real, and unlike the Act 3 House, Smartphones actually play a role in the Plot

[manic dirge]

ohh

[manic dirge]

thats kinda dumb ngl

[ripe berry]

the only thing implying the Act 3 House to be real is a rollercoaster that Ted may have just had in house because he did canonically make extensions
Alex did date retcons to fit in the Smartphones and the characters use them for stuff (sure they could use cameras but the Smartphones show more signs of being real then the Act 3 House)

[ripe berry]

welcome to Hello Neighbor Lore

[manic dirge]

which smart phones that looked like that werent invented until early 2000s

[ripe berry]

and wouldn't you know it, Alex said AS is after 1997, and the earliest year that fits AS Episode 7 likely taking place on Halloween and having it be a School Day is the year 2000

not counting 1996-1997 since Alex kinda said it can't be those years

So much of AS seems to be based off a more modern-day type thing then a 1990s type thing that chalking it all up to distorted memories just doesn't make much sense

not saying AS can't be a distorted memory

just saying they retconned lore specifically to make the Smartphones work

so it's not viable evidence towards that

but the Act 3 house's existence certaintly is

[manic dirge]

yes thank god

[ripe berry]

At the very least it shows the show is not a reliable narrator and in some way is distorting truth

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

(unless I can find enough evidence saying the Act 3 House is real which I can't so far)

Sure Trinity's Parents comment on extensions to Ted's House

but Extensions could be as small as a single room

and it's a lot easier to explain 1-2 rooms disappearing then 7 floors of house going missing between AS Episode 6 and HN2

and while every time we've seen Ted's House post-Episode 4 in AS so far it's been the Act 3 House, no character has made a comment specifically implying there to be more to the extensions then like 2 rooms

not even the characters inside Ted's House

hell not even Ted himself

I'd say the closest thing implying it to be real is all the traps Ted installs, but even then he could probabaly cram all that into like 2 floors

and since it's a cartoon and the layouts hardly make any form of sense with real world logic Ted technically has as much space in his house as the episode demands

like AS Episode 1 establishes a quick path to the Kitchen from the Stairs, then Nicky and Trinity just take a completely different path going in the exact opposite direction while trying to escape from Ted and somehow also end up at the Kitchen

Cartoon Logic can act as VERY WEAK evidence that AS is a distorted memory

[manic dirge]

yea

[manic dirge]

true

[foggy egret]

hi

[manic dirge]

hello

welcome to the hn lore disussion where we go insane trying to piece together the hn lore

[foggy egret]

Ok

[quaint vault]

The type of smartphone that Trinity uses didn't release until 2007.

[ripe berry]

yeah I'm aware of that fact, so 2007-2008 is actually the earliest year for AS (but then we have to account for the word cringe being used placing it in 2016 at the earliest for the word use alone)

[shut hill]

Wow it’s been a while since I have visited my favorite channel

[manic dirge]

but isnt AS supposed to connect with HN2

which is in the late 90s

[woeful orchid]

It is

I can only explain it with a time paradox

[shell gull]

That’s because the assist are Placeholders since they never made ones for the Early 2000s

[shell gull]

No just Placeholder.

[round hatch]

lol what

[blazing latch]

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[shell gull]

My thoughts on a daily basis:

[manic dirge]

fr

[ripe berry]

The Fact they fixed a asset that said 2021 to say 1996:

[unkempt sleet]

Mmmm it means it's definitely 1996

[ripe berry]

The Assets aren't placeholders AS and HN2 just can't figure out how to connect properly

or there'll be some excuse about the RB Calendar being behind by like 11 years or smth

or maybe they made the change to the asset texture before deciding on making the games post-1997 timeline wise

but I doubt that

Since the AS Writers have been working on the show since at least late 2021-early 2022

[tribal talon]

I the consider the AS to take place in 2009 tbh

Phones were made by then

[hazy slate]

Oh god not this again

if they had simply just used polaroids we wouldn't have this issue

[shell gull]

I meant mainly since these were Assets meant for Old HN2, that they never took the time to remake, Via making them technically Placeholders.

[ripe berry]

and yet between the Beta completion and HN2 FG (I don't remember which update they fixed this asset in or if it was launch version) they decided to fix a texture that said 2021 (or was it 2022) to say 1996

Who could forget the TOAB the 2021 showan weards in the Beta (image from lawn-o-tron™️)

[shell gull]

Like I’ve said, TB and EGS are not on the same page and don’t know how to fit AS and HN2 together.

[ripe berry]

The way I view it is EGS was given a outline of the AS Plot and tried to make HN2 from what they were given and the lore they already had

[hazy slate]

plot twist: 2021 is actually wayron croobian for 1202, meaning that Raven Brooks is actually from the future since it has modern furniture and inventions.

[ripe berry]

since when they started work on current HN2 AS was still in early development

and we know HN2 Launch Build was finished by August (Back To School is in a more finished state in HN2 Demo and is dated sometime in August iirc)

[hazy slate]

I love how people constantly praise the animated series yet it can't even keep a date right between it and the only game connected to it

I realize the books aren't that much better cough cough Maritza cough cough

but it's at least better then this

[ripe berry]

and following Alex's Messages AS Episode 1 was storyboarded by May 10th, with Episodes 2-4 being written

and Episode 2 was at least mostly written by April 9th

[hazy slate]

also, they've had time to correct this too

Maritza's old design came before brave existed

and the books were already made

[hazy slate]

(at least I think so)

HN2 on the other hand, is NOT a book. so why have they not changed 1996?

[ripe berry]

EGS was basically working with Episodes 1 to (I'd say) 5 and some rough ideas for the future episodes

[hazy slate]

not to mention the dreaded act 3 house incident

[ripe berry]

probably working on more important things then fixing 2 textures

[ripe berry]

Hell I'd doubt they even had Episode 5 since then they'd make it the Act 3 House

then again they'd have the script, not the actual episode

[hazy slate]

the animated series is just an inconsistent nightmare

[ripe berry]

and we don't know how many details are left out of the scripts

I mean look at this Script bit for Episode 2

several details changed between this script and the final episode

[hazy slate]

Even IF I am nostalgia blind by the books (Which I probably am let's be honest), You simply cannot deny this.

[ripe berry]

"Iconic supplies from the Game" and yet not one of the objects he grabs in the final version are used in a HN Game

[hazy slate]

beartrap

I think?

might be misremembering

[ripe berry]

oh wait maybe beartrap but everything else was changed to a different object

[ripe berry]

and this Script is also why I call the guy who dies in Episode 2 the Store Clerk

and here's the Script for the Nightmare at the beginning of Episode 2

[hazy slate]

And if I am remembering right

the excuse of "The act 3 house is imagination" doesn't work either

because Trinity's parents ask Ted about the new additions to his home

oh I'm sorry

"Theo"

[ripe berry]

Episode 1's Moving In Scene Script (dated March 18th, 2022, now deleted from the Youtube Community Page)

[ripe berry]

but there's the possiblity the additions are like 1-2 rooms

they're not specific enough about it that it's possible to work around the line to allow for the Act 3 house to be fake

[hazy slate]

I guess? But they get hurt from crashing through stuff with the rollercoaster

they must have really good imaginations if they can imagine themself getting physical wounds on their face

and feel pain

[ripe berry]

Yeah the Roller Coater is the hardest bit to justify

[hazy slate]

oh and Enzo's glasses get crushed

[shell gull]

The Bubbly Realtor

[ripe berry]

so most just say "Ted built a Roller Coaster but not the entire Act 3 House"

[shell gull]

What a description

[hazy slate]

Then where is it in HN2?

The basement?

[ripe berry]

The Champagne Realtor

[ripe berry]

I dunno about that I'm just stating what I've heard people say

[hazy slate]

I know, But unless you use the forbidden theory that's so insane it shall not be named, you really can't make sense of anything like this.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[shell gull]

Ahhh.

[ripe berry]

kidding, it's obviously definition #2)

[hazy slate]

I can respect the show as a fun alternate universe, but I am literally incapable of taking it seriously.

I don't know why people do honestly.

The only thing the books lack is Ivan Delroy and Finch

[ripe berry]

Here's the thing: If they depict Enzo's Glasses as broken in the next episode the Roller Coaster was real
If Not: The Roller Coaster was imagination and they escaped some other way

[hazy slate]

You could say that the main trio met them while nicky was in the basement

[hazy slate]

season 2 might be months after

or long enough for Enzo to get new glasses

[ripe berry]

I mean it's clear they're going to acknowledge things from Episode 6 like Maritza's Leg getting beartrapped

so I feel if they don't comment on Enzo getting new glasses and his glasses are repaired in Episode 7 that means the Roller Coaster was fake

if Enzo's Glasses are broken that creates a problem for the Act 3 House is Fake people

as the Roller Coaster will therefore have to be real

[hazy slate]

eh, I wouldn't be so quick to declare that, it just means that the question is still in the air

for example, they could say "A construction crew tore down the extensions due to safety hazards" while Enzo's glasses are ignored completely

[ripe berry]

Also would you mind to tell me where in Episode 5 or 6 Trinity's Parents mention the extensions

I'm looking for the line in the Combined Season 1 video and can't find it

[hazy slate]

I have no idea, but it's when Ted comes over.

[ripe berry]

that's like 50% of the episode

(Episode 5 to be specific)

[elfin crane]

around 52:30 in the combined season 1 video

[ripe berry]

ok

"I see you made some... adjustments to your house..." is the exact line about the extensions

Also don't you love Youtube Auto Generated Captions?

bro has fman, the G-Man's lost brother

[astral agate]

Sup guys

What are we on about

[ripe berry]

AS lore and if the Act 3 House is real or not in AS

[ripe berry]

Ted's Excuse makes more sense if they're just talking about the barricades and stuff

you really think people would believe

"oh yeah I saw a rat so now I've built a 7-story extension on my house lol"

[astral agate]

Hmmm

Lemme think.

So if I'm correct

This season covers act 1 and 2?

[ripe berry]

but then the Roller Coaster stuff is likely real due to the Episode 6 ending

[ripe berry]

yeah

[astral agate]

Ok.

So if I recall the act 3 house is a dream in hn1

So if that's the case

Nicky may or may be having a fuzzy memory/dream

Having difficulty remembering exactly what it looked like

But I'm not sure if that is ret conned

[ripe berry]

(Also by Act 3 House I mean the weird combination of Act 3 and Act 1 Houses in AS Episodes 5-6)

Act 1 House but with the third floor and beyond from the Act 3 House

I just call it Act 3 House for simplicity

[astral agate]

Most likely the act 3 house in hn1 is supposed to represent something

Like shadow man is fear

Act 3 House and act 1 aren't the same house (I think)

They have different bottoms

[ripe berry]

Act 3 House in the original HN1 Story was a distorted Act 1 House

[astral agate]

And interiors

[astral agate]

Yeah

But alot of story changed

[ripe berry]

A Idea I was going to do but I haven't started yet is to try to compare the Act 3 House to the Act 1 House (with things like the Windmill being the Fan on the Second Floor)

[astral agate]

So it could be real now.

[ripe berry]

yeah that's the problem

[ripe berry]

Episode 5 makes it kinda feel like it's not unless Trinity's Parents are brainless

but then Episode 6 makes it feel like it's real

[astral agate]

Its probaly supposed to be act 2 house

But if it is act 3 house

Then nicky now has good memory in an upcoming hn1 remake

Or something else

[ripe berry]

Also minor thing with AS: Not Ted's House casually changing it's layout 4 times between 3 episodes (Image 1 is Episode 6, Image 2 is Episode 8-9, and Images 3-4 are Episode 5 (I took the Episode 6 image first so that's why two of those images come first instead of the ones from the first episode timeline-wise of these 3...)

[astral agate]

This is my main problem with AS

Interior designs

But now that I have thought about it

The house could be the act three house aswell

Or atleast a very inaccurate show case of it

[ripe berry]

Episode 5 has the Layout Change after Ted finishes building the Act 3 House
then when we see it again in Episode 6 it's back to looking almost the exact same as the Act 1 interior
Then in Episode 8 or 9 it goes back to the Episode 5 Enzo Mission appearance

Guess Ted really likes modifying the House Layout to confuse people

and yet the funny thing is some rooms remain consistent between Episodes

[astral agate]

So the biggest question in finding out which ones canon

[ripe berry]

1 of the rooms Enzo travels through (the room before the Basement with 2 windows) is also seen in Episode 1

and the room with the Basement remains the same between Episodes 5 and 6

except for a Door being covered up by a closet

[astral agate]

I wonder if there is a map of the interior somewhere hidden

That would be really handy

Bc I would use that to figure out which designs canon

[ripe berry]

I made one, but lemme tell you it doesn't line up with any interior layout we've seen

[astral agate]

K

Unless the neighbor is constantly changing his interior

Then I have no clue

[ripe berry]

Or at least I made one for the First 3 Floors (Grey is Windows and the Red on Floor 2 is the room he seals off in Episode 1)

and no I'm not gathering images to attach to the rooms I took long enough to map it all out into a somewhat believable layout

[astral agate]

This somewhat makes sense

[ripe berry]

and I just ignored fitting it into the exterior since it's a certoon

[astral agate]

Yeah

I feel like there is supposed to be multiple entrances to Ted's house

Which there are

[ripe berry]

Also not my fault for the window surrounded by hallways that was the only logical place for a certain scene in Episode 5 to make sense to be in considering the path Enzo takes

[ripe berry]

The funny thing is that the Back Entrance is something only shown from the exterior but I included it anyways since they don't escape Ted's House through that entrance so it must be some other room in Ted's House

and yet besides that I hardly cared about anything from the exterior being accounted for the interior

and for the most part a Episode 1 only layout almost makes sense inside Ted's House (I messed up twice here but that hardly plays a role in messing up this layout Episodes 5-6 are what messed everything up)

[ripe berry]

Floor 1 is the floor they spend the most time on so of course it has the larget layout

and the one thing I hate is that the Basement room changes wallpaper and door color between Episode 1 and Episode 4

that makes me doubt I got the right layout here

or it could just be another example of Ted constantly changing the layout

trying to always be one step ahead of Nicky

[manic dirge]

ONG

[supple coral]

if they had simply destroyed raven brooks with an earthquake we wouldnt have this issue

and a typhoon

and a tornado

and a solar storm

maybe a blizzard if we're lucky

or an EMP so no one has to usephones and we dont have this dilemma

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[manic dirge]

?

[lilac wagon]

What’s the lore explanation for everyone having random keys from the museum in hn2

[supple coral]

they thought it was funny

[cold gull]

Found a comment on YT explaining act 3 house explanation

In HN2

Makes sense for me

Basically, Act 3 house in HN2 would be a huge problem for gameplay purposes, so keeping the house we already know with minimal changes, is a good solution. Of course there might be some inconsistencies, but these are choices to make the game more entertaining somehow, without a buggy house

Even if they decided to keep the act 3 house in HN2, they'd probably spend more time fixing Bugs and errors. Or maybe they would have just make most of the rooms inaccesible, which would mean disappointing most of the HN enthusiasts with an enormous house with few rooms.

So... Yeah, Act 3 house in HN2 was a problem. I'm pretty much sure they only chose the option that would disappoint less their players.

[manic dirge]

well the act 3 house isnt cannon

[snow summit]

People want to ask, how did we know that the canon hello neighbor 1 and hello neighbor 2 are different?

[unkempt sleet]

They are not

[arctic creek]

Like it's Nicky's Dream so ye

[strange lance]

everything in hn is canon, there's just different continuities where things happen differently

For example, hn1 and hn2/AS are canon yes, but they're not in the same continuity as each other, as both physically cannot happen. (in hn1 nicky breaks in with no help from his friends after he sees the ball roll Infront of teds house, in the AS Nicky chases no ball and he has help from trinity) hn2/AS is just a different take on the story events.

theres lots more examples but I won't drag it out

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[strange lance]

what is this code

why is this even an emoji

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[young kayak]

door bamboo fondue smack dance door

[strange lance]

A panda enters the room, eats the bamboo with fondue, sends kisses to the bunny dancers and leaves the restaurant

[steady nest]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-you-tiny-toilet-gif-25748036

Literally you right now

[thorn rover]

Hey, I'm just Reading book 2 of HN and I'm confused, I thought Neighbor has only one sister; Lisa, but there are way more Petersons, is it a part of lore or something?

[snow mauve]

Are you reading the notebook?

If so then.. DO NOT BELIEVE ON THAT SHIT

It's all misinformation..

[thorn rover]

Nope, the waking nightmare

Book 2

Of Nicky trilogy

[unkempt sleet]

They dont matter

[snow mauve]

Ah

[unkempt sleet]

they're just random names to fill the thing

[snow mauve]

Mister peeson lies

[thorn rover]

Ok, thanks

[shell gull]

You do realise there is such thing as people with the same Last Name as other families, the Notebook is just logging by Letter, which is why Last Names like “Parker” are in there.

[sinful flint]

this has gotta be my fav hn lore event

panda is such a deep chaarcter

shame he wasnt in the AS

[stiff spire]

Nicky had a grandma iirc she pretty much had a saying to Nicky saying that he'd get lost since he'd always wander until he finally got what was coming to him when he got trapped in the basement I have a feeling that his grandma is retconned if so that means Nicky never had a grandma

[manic dirge]

i would like to think she isn’t retconned

But just isn’t mentioned

[thin wadi]

So real. I love lore discussion channel

[shell gull]

According to AS, she would be Trinity’s Grandma.

[manic dirge]

what? how?

and why

[unkempt sleet]

its probably because "oooh Trinity now has Nicky's personality ooh" thing

[shell gull]

Trinity has taken Nicky’s Arc…literally, Personality, Story, Background, also Trinity is the new Wanderer of AS: “I got a lot of trouble where I used to live” or “Pulling off the same stuff before we moved to Raven Brooks” so if Grandma comes back she would be apart of Trinity’s Backstory, since her only purpose was to push the Wanderer Narrative.

[thin wadi]

His buba

He called her in the books iirc

[shell gull]

Something like that.

[thin wadi]

If nicky never had a grandma... then... then!.... that means his parents are

👽

[stiff spire]

jay and luanne are aliens confirmed

[unkempt sleet]

bubbe*

[shell gull]

The whole idea of Nicky’s Curiosity taking the better of him was great, his Grandma always knew that something was going to happen to him.

[thin wadi]

That's what the true meaning of the sn rocket event is

[stiff spire]

you don't want to see bubbe fein angry ||/j||

[thin wadi]

Oh. Haven't read the books in a while

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/ultamike-ulta-mike-think-math-gif-24430538

Your right…

What did Bubbe call Nicky?

I remember she called him something.

[stiff spire]

boychik iirc

[shell gull]

Yeah I think that’s it.

[thin wadi]

Russian for fighter

[stiff spire]

honestly its been a while since I read book 1 and I still remember that word

I did read grave mistakes back a few months ago though

that's my favorite book

[shell gull]

That was one of the best foreshadows to him as an Adult

[thin wadi]

Old lore plot 😔

[shell gull]

He fought for his peace

Against his own Manifestation

[shell gull]

Man those were good times.

[stiff spire]

the only books I have not read is Reset Day and GN1

[shell gull]

RD is good

Don’t know about GN1

The whole ghost thing is weird

And it also gives nothing big for the Lore

[stiff spire]

yeah tbh I've seen some snippets of GN1 there's a lot of paranormal stuff also if I recall correctly ||theodore gets buried alive? And somehow escapes||

[shell gull]

I get it’s just her imagination but still.

[shell gull]

I don’t mind that since reminder Ted is a Unit.

That man is bulked.

[unkempt sleet]

bro is a menace

[potent harness]

yeah

[shell gull]

Literally.

[stiff spire]

true

[shell gull]

It’s also the only time we see Ted at full sanity, as he’s mad at himself for what happened and is truly trying to make up for it.

[stiff spire]

the best part about the GN's is GN2 is written by a cartoonist who actually worked on a show Zac Gorman not sure if he was involved in GN1

[shell gull]

It was nice to see how other people interpret the Franchise.

[stiff spire]

I agree

[shell gull]

Carly is the 🐐

[stiff spire]

she sure is

I do remember seeing in a forum someone was curious if she was ever gonna write another HN book but she said it's not up to her but to Alex and the rest

[shell gull]

I love how in RD The Guest just has control, and the second something almost threatens that he just attacks.

[stiff spire]

the Guest is definitely a powerful being

[shell gull]

Sucks she can’t continue the work she and Nikita made.

[stiff spire]

imagine if she helped work on the current AS with Alex and that one other guy I forgot his name but they both worked on it together

[shell gull]

I also love how in Canon The Guest talks and if iirc talks in Subtle Whispers

[unkempt sleet]

yea that was me asking...

[stiff spire]

oh cool

[shell gull]

The Guest is very cynical, he wants his plan to head one direction, anything that threatens it he just tries to destroy, such as him mauling Ted underwater.

[stiff spire]

as much as I'm not a huge fan of the pilot it was still pretty interesting seeing their proof of concept for where they wanted it to go until 3 years later I still can't believe it took them 3 years to finalize the AS

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[unkempt sleet]

sometimes things take time

[stiff spire]

I would've loved to see where they would've taken it next

but also I think it was definitely hard too since during the time covid happened and stuff

[shell gull]

The Guest was pure evil in RD, he literally ||kidnaps Pipers Mom and texts her a Picture of him/Ted and doesn’t clarify.||

[shell gull]

Big trouble there.

[stiff spire]

the Guest can use social media

[unkempt sleet]

He was like "hey Piper look at my man Theodore, isnt he cool"

[shell gull]

Uh RD stuff, ||he created Phones that RB are only allowed to use to make sure no one gets in contact with the outside World||

[stiff spire]

interesting

[unkempt sleet]

I dont think he created the Phones, but rather he created the network

[shell gull]

“Haha, here’s my dawg that I’m controlling while holding a shovel that we’re planning to use on you lol, anyways brb my phones about die lol”

[unkempt sleet]

Guest being able to use social media is a funny concept

Imagine being a supernatural crow entity that has unimaginable powers but just tweets on Twitter

[shell gull]

“Who the hell is ratioing me on the RB Chat, next person to do that is going to The Nest, for real no lie no 🧢 😡 😤”

[shell gull]

“Rate the new fit, shits 🔥”

[shell gull]

Oh nah 💀

[stiff spire]

in all things I think the new Guest design looks cool it looks really dirty and creepier as much as I like the old one as well this one is a win for me

[shell gull]

I LOVE the new Guest Design, I wish it was the Old Lore Guest since it would make more sense, just need to remove the Cult Symbol.

[stiff spire]

the old Guest model looked more like something you'd see in HN1 ngl

[shell gull]

Yeah

Gtg

[stiff spire]

cya

[unkempt sleet]

bye

[manic dirge]

true

man i wish nicky was the main character of AS

wouldve worked fine

[shell gull]

I still don’t understand why they changed it, there are so many unnecessary changes in AS.

[manic dirge]

fr

like cellphones

def couldve made the show without cellphones

[safe charm]

Is it weird i kinda like it lol

Its very different from usual supernatrual monsters

[ripe berry]

I just thought of that one Sonic Snapcube Dub but it's the Guest making the Announcement

[snow mauve]

Because

DUHHHHH

Seriously tho the trailers aren't really important to the fg's story anyway

However in the fg lore

One of the cops are part of the cult

Keith and most likely Leslie (judging by the AS)

Pretty much almost every HN2 character are part of the cult

Except Peterson

And maybe Otto

No?

Why would we be part of the cult?

Eh kinda but the cultists treat him as if he's their god

So he's just using them

[snow mauve]

Eventually betraying em

Hell nah

[silver vine]

cuz police are part of cult, and MITH investigates cult and cult are after him

[old cloud]

At the end of the first part, Nick arrives at Raven Brooks, and the neighbor's house is not there. From part 2 it is clear that Theodore was hiding with Aaron in the museum, so it turns out that Theo burned down his house?

Considering that his real house was being inspected by an officer, he could very well get rid of it like that.

[shell gull]

Uh no, it got burned down from the Storm.

Or well in New Lore it did, in Old Lore it was retconned.

[old cloud]

It’s worth saying that I didn’t understand “Hello Engineer?” at all. from a historical point of view.

[shell gull]

HE is apart of Old Lore, it’s mainly about R.S. Doing other things before saving Micky in HNVR, though it also focuses on a Sandbox.

[old cloud]

Oh, these new and old canons. like in star wars

[astral agate]

Lol

[teal imp]

that was brutal

[astral agate]

Ikr?

[pale urchin]

😟

[stiff spire]

betrayal ending

[atomic birch]

why is the entire lore so depressing

[stiff spire]

its hello neighbor

ig

[pale urchin]

Because saying hello to your neighbor will be your goodbye

[torn crown]

hi

[gleaming crown]

In early Hello Neighbor timeline, there should be no cell phones. The year is 1996.

[shell gull]

Thats because New Lore takes place in the Early 2000s

[manic dirge]

which i hate

so much retcon

[cold gull]

What if Delroy was the mayor's son lol

[astral agate]

Imagine.

[shut hill]

Lore disc

Yuck

[unkempt sleet]

bot

bot alert...

<@&1162799252192379000>

ok its gone

thanks mods

[stiff patio]

So I've heard the books aren't canon--is that true? Are the books not canon in any way, shape, or form? Even the graphic novels?

[ripe berry]

it's complicated

[unkempt sleet]

They are not canon but that doesnt mean they are not important

They still have canon elements

Stuff like Golden Apple Park, The Cult, Mayak, Guest etc.

[ripe berry]

basically just think of it as being two canons (at least for the most part)
One Canon has the Books and most Games
and the other Canon has the AS, HN2, and possibly other games but no one can agree on which games are in this timeline

some (like Mr. Apple here) have a 3 timeline thing, Games, Books, and AS being their own separate timelines

[unkempt sleet]

Which is just more easy to work with

[ripe berry]

yeah it's easier since you don't have to debate on "oh this is canon to AS" "no it's not"

instead you only have to try to convince people that HN2 works with the other games, and that the Books (and AS) have inconsistencies with the games that make them separate timelines

[unkempt sleet]

And thats easy

[ripe berry]

and it's surprisingly easy to make HN2 fit with the games (other then HNVR)

HNVR requires some working around some things

[unkempt sleet]

Other than Theodore grabbing Aaron at the end, what else doesnt fit?

[ripe berry]

(I was moreso talking about why the scene would be in the Nest)

(and how characters get in/out of the Nest)

but by making Aaron not kidnapped by the Guest it allows HN1 to make more sense when played alongside HNVR (the broken window thingie now is actually evidence that Aaron is still there)

also funny we got 2 #1 HN2 Fans

[stiff patio]

makes sense

to an extent

[ripe berry]

but yeah HN Lore is a complicated mess

[stiff patio]

maybe just a teeny bit

[safe charm]

I wouldnt say their even completely non canon tbh

Many elements are still being used just in a different way

[strange lance]

The book events are non canon to the AS and hn2, but some plot points are still used, just changed up a bit

[safe charm]

Ted is still so weird in the books to me

[strange lance]

The books are canon to everything other than hn2 and AS.

[stiff patio]

ig its just locations, characters, etc etc that carry over

[safe charm]

Yet i like his character

[strange lance]

Hope that clears things up

[stiff patio]

is HN2 in its own timeline? are the devs like starting over or something with it?

[safe charm]

Nah

Its a mix mash

Of book and AS lore

[stiff patio]

AS?

[strange lance]

Animated series

The cartoon

[stiff patio]

oh yeah

interesting way to go about the lore

[strange lance]

Hn2 doesn't really connect to anything, lots of contradictions from poor planning

Its meant to connect to the AS but it really doesn't that well

[stiff patio]

yeah