lore-discussion

[glacial whale]

That’s what’s I think of before bed

[abstract flicker]

where did you find them

[strong sparrow]

I found them

[abstract flicker]

?

WHERE??

[glacial whale]

Yea there

[strong sparrow]

Grawf

Can I buy this

[strong sparrow]

Hello you're in danger

Good riddance to your behaviour

[gray holly]

Incorrect

It's never been explicitly confirmed

[safe charm]

So

Do you think mr Peterson escaped jail or was he released

[opal steeple]

books

[gray holly]

Different canon than the games

[opal jackal]

Oh my god we just got over that conversation

[gray holly]

I wasn't here, my power died

[opal jackal]

I hope it dies for 90 years:))

[gray holly]

mean

[glacial whale]

Well you could go to a different channel unless your absolutely dying to talk about lore

[opal jackal]

Dude

[ripe berry]

BaronVonTootToot, explain this away then

[glacial whale]

Sorry if that sounded rude. I don’t think talking about teds name is a big deal

[opal jackal]

There's no point in having a conversation about the Neighbor's name when it's confirmed to be Mr. Peterson

[gray holly]

"Scrambled English" done. You can't change up words and then cite them as a source

[ripe berry]

You can't say it's irrelevant for the switching letters around thing since we do it all the time to find out info

[gray holly]

At that point it's up to personal interpretation

[glacial whale]

Well I agree but some people don’t know that or simply need a better way explained? I assume I didn’t explain well

[ripe berry]

Then what's the town's name?

[gray holly]

I think that he's just trolling at this point

[strong sparrow]

Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

Also they pronounce it

[opal jackal]

DUDE THIS BARON PERSON IS OBVIOUSLY TROLLING

[gray holly]

Yes, a scrambled word

[glacial whale]

Think about what you put

[gray holly]

Of course it'll be a different pronunciation

[gray holly]

Yeah? He's literally only here to complain

[ripe berry]

but they pronounce it Te-per-son, and the Scrambled English these games use have their scrambled words pronounced the same way as the English version of the word

[glacial whale]

It’s possible but I’m not the best at explaining stuff

[ripe berry]

Te-Per-Son Pe-Ter-Son

[gray holly]

That's honestly a stretch

[ripe berry]

Way-Ron Croobs Ra-ven Brooks

Sim-ming Mis-sing

[opal jackal]

I'm breaking into your house rn
I'm starting to pick the lock

[ripe berry]

Log-Den Pay-Oll Gol-Den Ap-ple

[gray holly]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[gray holly]

Straight up can't decipher this one.

[ripe berry]

Sebt Fe-Bore Best Be-Fore

[ripe berry]

Logden Payoll to Golden Apyoll to Golden Apple

the name of the Theme Park in Hello Guest

Nay-Tosh Sta-Tion

I can go on and on with examples

[glacial whale]

The point is made

[ripe berry]

so when we get Te-Per-Son (Teperson) it's obvious it turns into Pe-Ter-Son (Peterson)

You can argue all you want about his name being Wilson, Peterson is at least a part of the canon name, you can not argue this

[gray holly]

If Peterson is canon, at most it would be a nickname or false identity

[opal jackal]

Ok anyways

[ripe berry]

Ok so we are in agreement that in some form Mr. Peterson is officially used to refer to him

Glad we got that sorted out

[solid dew]

how have you all
how did this

[safe charm]

What

Do you think of patch 9 btw

[ripe berry]

It's pretty good

[stoic brook]

is the guest a crow or a raven

[snow mauve]

Raven

[stoic brook]

is that confirmed or its a theory?

[snow mauve]

Dude it's obvious that he is a raven

Plus people in town call him Raven Man

Which also states that he is infact a raven

[stoic brook]

A group of players sneak into their creepy Neighbor's basement. One of them is a Neighbor in disguise. Welcome to Secret Neighbor.

[snow mauve]

Me when it was all an imagination

[stoic brook]

it was bia's trauma

[tribal talon]

Update, yes he has

Where does HND take place in the timeline

The mayor says "you must find seperton (peterson) immediately!"

On one of the hn2 tapes

[strange lance]

Immediately after act 3

Of hn1

[tribal talon]

Uh is there any explanation on how the Rescue Squad met or formed

Just seems like they just randomly teamed up

[sinful flint]

The as explains it

[snow mauve]

Animated Series

Duh

[tribal talon]

Wonder what they’ll do with Finch

She doesn’t seem to be in EP7 from the looks of it

[snow mauve]

Easy

Point a gun at her

To join their dumb team

[tribal talon]

She’ll get out her slingshot

And you will be dead

[snow mauve]

Nope

Weak asf

[tribal talon]

Stronger then the rest of the squad smh

Except for Brave

And Quentin

[snow mauve]

Wrong

[snow mauve]

Again

Brave is useless

And weak

Quentin is the true strongest and useful

[tribal talon]

The Bat is strong

[snow mauve]

You can just grab her again

Easy shit

[tribal talon]

She’ll use the strike again

[snow mauve]

Nope

She'll have to hit ya again

Which clearly you'll always lose by playing as her anyway

[tribal talon]

She’s stronger then Leader and Scout combined

[snow mauve]

Bro you have the most dumbest rating

[tribal talon]

Leader is fast but lacks In biq

[snow mauve]

Better than weak attacks

Like really

Trinity, Enzo, and Quentin are like the most useful classes

To easily ace the match

[tribal talon]

In matches deff

[snow mauve]

Not even close

[tribal talon]

In terms of battle except Quentin there weak

[snow mauve]

He can run fast like leader

Pretty much useful

To get away

From the neighbor

It's not about battle, it's about winning

[tribal talon]

In terms of winning Bagger is last

He’s good for getting about 3 keys best but that’s it

He gets caught early

[safe charm]

Hi

[strange lance]

hey

[safe charm]

So in book 1 the recording Nicky sees is it before or after gaap

Nicky suggests it’s before with the line he was crazy while building gaap but in the Aaron trilogy he doesn’t seem like he behaves in the recording

[snow mauve]

Goodbye mousey

Don't answer trinityyy, he knows..

[strange lance]

man I don't know, I haven't read the books in forever

I don't remember the recording

[safe charm]

The dance

One

[strange lance]

oh that one

[safe charm]

Where Diane dances

And teds comes in

[strange lance]

well, I'd say it's after. Cause he specifically gets mad at Aaron i believe despite him not really doing anything, and at that time Ted starts thing he's a bad omen

so I think after

[safe charm]

Also why did

Him setting up his workshop in the basement change him

Diane says to him that ever since you moved your workshop down there you changed

[strange lance]

Cause it's the basement and it's spooky and stuff idk

[safe charm]

Yeah I guess

[astral agate]

Maybe the thing lives in the basement?

Dum theory

[unkempt sleet]

He probably moved his office down there probably because of the easy tunnel access (the basement connects to the tunnels) and to keep Aaron and Mya away from the tunnels

idk

[snow mauve]

The thing is just Nicky's own fear

He is not real

Nor was never in the basement besides Nicky imagining it

[shell gull]

Because he got fixated to his work.

[safe charm]

It feels like the construction and having to rush gaap

Is mostly why he turned so unstable tbh

[shell gull]

Eh.

[fierce lantern]

Do you think Aaron can control the guest in some way?

I mean, in hello neighbor vr, we see the guest approach Aaron

[shell gull]

The Guests approaches Aaron because he was manipulating Aaron.

[fierce lantern]

That's true, never thought of that. So technically that would explain why guest is somewhat evil

[shell gull]

Always was evil.

[silver vine]

hes referred to as Peterson in HN2

[astral agate]

It was a dumb idea

[snow mauve]

Not really

Because the thing didn't serve that much purpose

Other than being the protagonists own fear

[astral agate]

Yeah...

[tribal talon]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think this is the way the timeline goes

Hide and Seek > Act 1 > Search and Rescue > HN2??? > Act 2 > Act 3 > Diaries

[unkempt sleet]

Actually Act 2 is before HN2

But overall, yea thats a correct timeline

[shell gull]

HUH, I can’t even.

[shell gull]

Pretty good, the actual one goes Hide and Seek>Act 1>Act 2 and Search and Rescue>HN2>Act 3>HND

[snow mauve]

HN2 needs to go after Act 2

[strange lance]

Erm it's actually

HS>Act 1>SN>HE>HNVR>act 2>HN2>Act 3>HND

Don't leave out HE and SN...

Smh

[snow mauve]

You forgot hello 1 remake..

/j

[strange lance]

Time to make the AS fit with the book and game timeline! (Literally not possible)

Idk why anyone ever thought that was possible

[snow mauve]

Trinityyy:

[shut hill]

@safe charm

[safe charm]

What is it

[strange lance]

I didn't do anything

Ask depkis

[snow mauve]

Hello

I am bored

[snow mauve]

Oh yeah Mouseflash said that you are dumb trinityyy

[strange lance]

No!

[snow mauve]

Yes

[robust harbor]

And then HN INHDD... I really need this game

[tidal jacinth]

Quick question: with the new VR game, HN2 patch 9 and all that, what do we know about the guest? The more I look into it, the less he looks like a member of the Raven Cult and the more he looks like a... ghost? Demon? Im kinda lost on the new lore so a bit of help would be appreciated

[sinful flint]

its a demon

[unkempt sleet]

We dont know what exactly he is but we know that he's a supernatural creature thats highly manipulative

[tidal jacinth]

Huh

So we don't even know where he comes from?

[unkempt sleet]

Well, The only thing we know of Guests origin that he's connected to the Golden Apple Amusement Park as his design is used as a mascot for the park

But other than that we dont know much

[sinful flint]

hes also likely connected to mayak

and mr peterson

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[tidal jacinth]

So why does he look like a dude in a costume?

Also, what's up with the luck altering devices and time loops?

[unkempt sleet]

Luck Devices are used by the cult to make them more lucky in life, they're tied to the weather as they make rituals with them it creates worse storms

And time loops are not much explained in the books and only exist in Reset Day book
Its implied theyre caused by the Guest

[thin wadi]

The luck devices cuz unlucky events to happen in the town

Like the weird storms are caused by the luck devices iirc

[tidal jacinth]

Mmh

It's a weird direction that they're taking the story to

[sinful flint]

i like it personally

[unkempt sleet]

They're more leaning on supernatural aspects, which i like

[tidal jacinth]

I love the guest, don't get me wrong, but I more than anything appreciate consistancy

Idk, coming from a "possible" scenario to these weird supernatural events

I just hope they don't do like rick and morty for example where the powers of a character change constistantly just to fit the plot

It's just much harder to theorise that way

[shell gull]

Wait, you guys talking about Old Lore Guest? Didn’t we already solve him, you know Manifestation of Teds Emotions, this was like 4 Months ago I believe.

Here’s a Full Explanation: Teds grief got really bad after Diane’s Death that it caused a Manifestation of his Emotions to appear in a Physical Form, this Entity was The Guest, The Guest was smart and manipulative and in order for him to get stronger Teds Emotions had to worsen, so that was his goal, similar thing with Nicky in Act 3 as The Thing got stronger with Nicky’s Trauma worsening, both The Guest and The Thing were manifestations, this gets continued in Old Lore SN and HND, as more “Thing” Manifestation appear all of them born out of the Kids fear.

[tidal jacinth]

Where did we get that info? And how much of it still stands in the new lore?

[shell gull]

Time Loops we’re caused by The Guest using Mayak type devices to put RB in a Time Loop for The Guest to have control over.

[safe charm]

Theory

[tidal jacinth]

Bruh, how do you go from funny bird man to that whole thing

[safe charm]

Because hnvr or something implied it idk

[tidal jacinth]

I'll agree the lore behind that game is just weird as can be

[shell gull]

It’s a long story, basically a while back a lot of theorist were digging for a explanation on why The Guest exists and where he came from, long story short a lot of people noticed how The Guest was very similar to The Thing, both feed off people, both have their own weird world, so, that started the Theory before becoming most likely correct, then in VR this was more pushed with the whole Nest segment showing The Guests shadow towering Ted, there’s a doc if you want me to send you it that explains it, anyways in Lore Discussion there was an argument if this theory was true, me and some other people agreed that it was the best case and now it’s become one of the best since it fixes every plot hole and also fits with that weird Lore bit Nikita talked about with the Lore that would change the perspective, now pretty much none of this Carry’s over to New Lore sadly, I can also give evidence and proof that backed this possibility, which it most likely is the Origin.

[tidal jacinth]

Wow

Yeah send them

I'm intrigued

[shell gull]

We see in GN2 that The Guests original plan was just flooding the whole Town.

[shell gull]

Alright should I send the Doc or the Proof?

[tidal jacinth]

All you got

[shell gull]

Alright I will start with Proof, now there is a lot of Proof but I’ll give you the ones that got me to believe it, The Things only goal was to feed on Nicky’s Trauma, the more Nicky’s Trauma got worse the stronger The Thing got, but when Nicky was losing the Trauma The Thing weakened to a point where he died, The Guest got stronger when Teds Emotions worsened evolving into a New Form in RD, when Ted got over his Emotions in GN2 The Guest got scared and immediately started strangling Ted, almost like something was gonna happen to him so he went for a last resort, another one is Thing World, in Thing World we see things that happened to Nicky and things related to him, in The Nest/Guest World we see Ted related stuff all over the place, both of these Characters are Manifestations just one is Physical and one is Mental, The Guest being Physical and living in the real world, The Nest being a physical place you can end up in, while The Thing being in Nicky’s head, and Thing World also being in Nicky’s head, we even see Rescue Squad having fears of Teds house and seeing “Thing” Manifestations morphing into the Neighbor, which is the whole premise of SN in Old Lore, based on what we know Manifestations could be different based on your Emotion, Teds Manifestation being from Grief and Sadness, while Nicky’s being from Trauma and Fear, here’s the Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eHyfLOZDA2Vf6LTM4BKnbXa1WCPVji_1JyznL1uZ38/edit

[strange lance]

😍

#agonycreature

[shell gull]

Yooo the person who solved Old Lore Guest and Thing, the creator of Manifestation “Theory” himself 👀😱

[strange lance]

Gn2 basically confirms the manifestation theory i'm not even joking

Like it is SO in your face

[strange lance]

Omg that's me

Ok but how does magical icey ivan tie into all this

He's gotta have lore importance

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[shell gull]

He’s the one who stole all the snow…

[strange lance]

Regina: you're the raven man

Ted: how do you know..

Regina: the crowman takes what people don't deserve, which is you ted (she thinks they are literally the same)

Ted understands what she is talking about because he knows what the guest really is

It's just him

I love the guests lore

It's so good

[shell gull]

Carly and Nikita literally cooked

[strange lance]

Mhm

[shell gull]

👩‍🍳 👨‍🍳

[tidal jacinth]

Alright hold on, whats gn2?

[strange lance]

Also with the guest being teds negative side, it goes to show how angry he really is at life. How he just wants to take everything away from everyone

[strange lance]

Graphic novel 2

[tidal jacinth]

Ah right

[strange lance]

The Raven Brooks Disaster

[shell gull]

He really just wants power.

[tidal jacinth]

So, in the HN2 forest, it's the new lore guest or smth else?

[strange lance]

He wants the control over his life he never had

[strange lance]

New

[shell gull]

New Lore yes.

[strange lance]

The new guest is some weird animal like demon

He's kinda just evil

For the sake of being evil

The less cool guest

[tidal jacinth]

And why is he roaming the forest protecting those manequins?

[shell gull]

New Lore Guest is a Curse summoned by The Cult.

[shell gull]

He isn’t protecting the Mannequins

[strange lance]

We literally do not know cause the story in hn2 is just not potrayed at all

We don't know why he's in the forest

Why there are mannequins

[shell gull]

The forest is kinda his domain

[strange lance]

None of hn2s "story" is explained it's so funny

[tidal jacinth]

I mean to me the mannequins are kina clearly Ted's creation to get his family back, yk just a simulation

[strange lance]

And I bet it still won't in the full context expansion

[tidal jacinth]

Just like the mannequins in the AS

[shell gull]

Right on 👍🏻

Explained the current theory perfectly

[tidal jacinth]

The problem is, why would the tunnels and room decor be so completely based on the cult, if the cult is against Theodore? (At least I think so)

They tried to kill Mya

Idk if they had a change of heart

I just don't quite get the cult's intentions

Or who they're enemies with

[shell gull]

Ted built them there, The Cult took over the place, leaving Ted to abandon them.

[tidal jacinth]

That's odd

Makes sense at least

[shell gull]

Power, their goal was gaining power, and The Guest was their answer.

Gtg

[tidal jacinth]

They wanted to kill his real family, they might as well take his fake one

Alright

I'll read the doc

[ripe berry]

Yeah I Agree (hell I think I made the Guest World/Fear Room (Or "Thing World" as you call it here) Connection)

It was basically starting out as just "oh hey to add onto the Thing/Guest Connections they both have their own dimensions so-to-speak"

then I realized both the Fear Rooms (Specifically Fear Schol and Thing Bossfight which I lump in with the Fear Rooms) and Guest World have a similar style of skybox with a storm going on and clouds everywhere, just a different color

in the Fear Rooms it's Gray, and in Guest World it's Purplish

(which happens to be the character's main color (ok Thing is Black not Gray but obviously they couldn't have a pitch-black skybox since then what'd be the point of animating the skybox (since I swear it's animated)))

and I didn't even put together that both realms are distorted versions of the people's memories at first

but that makes sense

[ripe berry]

No wait I did realize the connection around the same time I realized the Skybox thing

(I'm not using the Thing World nickname and am instead just calling it Fear Rooms since that's a actual term the HN Team has used)

(Why am I just rambling to myself here... )

HNVR just helped give the final pieces to put together what was likely the intention from the beginning

[tidal jacinth]

Bro used a triple parenthesis

[ripe berry]

((((Na I used four of them))))

[shell gull]

Yup your the one who found the connection, and it did start as a joke, just like Manifestation Theory Started.

[shell gull]

Fair.

[tidal jacinth]

So Aaron is the gu- gets permabanned

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ripe berry]

To be fair: Hello Neighbor: Search and Rescue Ending makes this... half-canon?

[ripe berry]

But now it explains the Guest World/The Nest's existence under the Manifestation theory because we already have a example of a Manifestation having it's own dimension other then the Guest so the Guest is only a exception in that it's properly physical instead of mental

and even there I can chalk it up to the following: Sadness/Grief/Agony is probably a stronger emotion then Fear is

I mean think about it, you can get over Fears in a matter of minutes
But if 2 loved ones die in the span of ~1 month you're probably going to take months or even years to try to deal with your Grief

hell I wonder if we can actually see Ted go through all, or at least most of, the Stage of Grief

there's 5 stages that most people agree upon: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression/Sadness, and Acceptance

Thinking about it Mr. Peterson seems to be mostly stuck in Stage 2 throughout the franchise

[woven monolith]

Yeah true

[ripe berry]

In HNHS before Mya's Death he seems to have somehow in a matter of less then 24 hours made it to Stage 4 of Grief (dude be speedrunning those stages of grief)

Hence why, and this is a common theory but it's possible there's another explanation, the HNHS Stage 5 Crow seems to help cause Mya's Death (Because it's odd it saves Mya from Death everywhere except for when Aaron pushes her off the roof)

the Stage 5 Crow is heavily theorized to be the Guest itself

since we know the Guest can take the form of a crow

(HNVR, GN2)

Ted was about to get over his Grief so the Guest had to use the drastic measure of causing his Daughter's Death specifically by a person Ted viewed as a Bad Omen

and then to cause even more grief the Guest tries to remove Aaron from the Picture since although Ted thought he was a Bad Omen he's still family, the only family he has left even

However Aaron runs away from the Guest so the Guest has to wait until the perfect opportunity, which it can do as Ted now has more Grief

Forgot to mention at some point before HNHS Stage 5 the Guest has come accross the Golden Apple Amusement Park and takes on the appearance of the Mascot, while still able to take on the Crow Form if needed

[ripe berry]

During this time the Guest is just roaming around Raven Brooks becoming a Urban Legend most in town are aware of

Nicky is even able to trace it back to the Golden Apple Amusement Park (HNVR Intro shows this)

then HNVR happens and the Guest siezes the opportunity to both take Aaron out of the picture and take control over Mr. Peterson

did I just explain the entire pre-Old-HN2 Guest Timeline?

(why am I asking this of course I did also silly me rambling to nothing again)

[shell gull]

Probably already has.

[shell gull]

Eh I don’t know about that, I’m pretty sure all it confirms is Aaron was the first victim of The Guest, basically the first to get trapped in The Nest, but it could be possible otherwise with enough evidence.

[ripe berry]

By it being half-canon I mean for a period of time Aaron and the Guest were able to switch places

[shell gull]

Ah.

Died before then.

Uhh, HNHS Ending and the Books.

[safe charm]

Sh1mpnut I got a question

[ripe berry]

We see Mya die in HNHS, then the HN1 Nightmare Sequences show Ted find and grab Aaron after burying Mya, and then HNVR shows a scene through Guest Word of Aaron getting locked behind a door and ONLY THEN does the Guest try to remove him from the picture with the Doll thing

[safe charm]

In book 1 the ending still confuses the hell out of me

[ripe berry]

or well we don't see her death in HNHS but it's HEAVILY implied

[safe charm]

Did mr Peterson push Aaron towards a window

[shell gull]

Not even implied, just confirmed, the Credits confirmed it.

[ripe berry]

we she her fall from the roof then we cut to a scene of Ted burying something or digging a grave with Mya's shoe visible in the foreground

[safe charm]

Nicky says the closer I look the clearer

The scene becomes

But I don’t understand lol

[shell gull]

It’s a weird ending.

[ripe berry]

They can't show a dead body so they only show the shoe

[shell gull]

Similar to Diane’s death scene in HN1

Just her shoe.

[ripe berry]

yeah

or the Car Crash

We never said Aunt Lisa died

oh waity

we confused what you were saying

[shell gull]

Lisa? She never died, and she isn’t really important, she was just a side thing.

[ripe berry]

well Lisa is still alive but she's several states away

Minnesota is quite a long ways from Missouri

yeah

we thought that

[shell gull]

When you said Sister I thought you meant Aaron’s not Teds.

[safe charm]

What is every time we see ted in book 2

[shell gull]

And plus Lisa never got into the Family type stuff and Ted never really had a relationship with her that much, hell based on what we know she hates Ted.

[ripe berry]

Not to mention Ted couldn't talk to her much at first since he has to keep up a lie that he sent Aaron and Mya to visit her

[shell gull]

Exactly.

[ripe berry]

and even one wrong move could get people suspicious

[shell gull]

Which is what happened between Maritza and Nicky.

[safe charm]

Why was ted building an amusement

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

Park in the basement in book 1

I understand later on but like he still has his family

[shell gull]

It was his last move at saving his job.

[safe charm]

It’s bizarre how different he is in the Aaron trilogy

Imo

Compared to the Nicky trilogy

[ripe berry]

So at the point of GN2 Ted has basically no family left

[shell gull]

I mean he was more loving, when he built the Luck Device he was so happy and became way more caring and happy, after Aaron messed everything up he started hating his family.

[shell gull]

Yup.

[ripe berry]

His Parents? MIA, likely dead, Aunt Lisa? doesn't want to talk to him, Mya? Dead, Aaron? Gone, Diane? Dead

[shell gull]

Well technically after HNVR.

[ripe berry]

yeah

Ever since the HNVR Ending he's had no family

[safe charm]

Why does he say to Nicky when he’s in his work place nighty night Nicky

Is he genuine

[shell gull]

He’s a lunatic.

[ripe berry]

Mr. Peterson slowly losing his sanity:

[shell gull]

Insane, he was always insane ever since he tarted losing Family, starting with his Parents, he became nicer after Diane came along, he can’t control it though, it just takes over, shown with what he said to Maritza.

“I wasn’t thinking right”

[safe charm]

Do we see him losing it in book 1

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

yeh but the Guest is convincing him to do it

[safe charm]

Doesn’t Nicky say

He’s like a beast

Or that he has a beast inside of him

[shell gull]

The whole flooding the Town is all The Guests idea, The Guest is just manipulating Ted to do it, stuff like “They deserve it”

[shell gull]

Eh I don’t know.

[shell gull]

In a way he’s talking to himself.

[safe charm]

In hn1 are we sure he’s looking for Aaron in that nightmare sequence

And not Myas body

[shell gull]

He’s talking to his own sanity.

[ripe berry]

yeah

we see him finish burying Mya at the beginning of the sequence

[shell gull]

Yeah, because the whole plot thing was after Mya died and Ted buried Mya at the start, Aaron hid being scared of what could happen.

[ripe berry]

and then he's inside the Living Room (as you can tell by the Wallpaper)

and the scene has him grabbing Aaron's Shoe

Aaron didn't have a proper model and they wanted people to be able to see Ted looking around so they use Aaron's Shoes to represent Aaron

just like how they use Diane's Shoe to indicate she was the one in the Car Crash

[shell gull]

They use shoes quite a lot during HN1.

Gtg

[ripe berry]

They didn't have a model for her so they either have to use a Cardboard Cutout or the Shoe (or context clues) to tell us who it is

same with all non-Mr. Peterson family members

or it's a still image like with the Picture in Act 3 or Diane's Grave

[safe charm]

Is hn1 canon still in your opinion it feels like their gonna make the remake

Canon instead

[ripe berry]

this is because they only started changing the story around the time of Halloween and the Modkit so they didn't have time to create 3 completely new models that are only going to be used once or twice in the entire game

[ripe berry]

maybe

[safe charm]

Like why does it feel like pre alpha is more canon for some reason

Like obviously not the burying part but the rest

[unkempt sleet]

No

It doesnt feel like that where the hell are you getting these feelings from 😟

[safe charm]

Because they clearly took a lot of inspiration

From the alphas with AS with the house

Probably to bring older fans back

Like mr Peterson in hn1 full game was a disappointment tbh he was just a sad broken family man the books saved him

[ripe berry]

Minor Fact I Just Realized: The Calendar for the GAAP's Opening in HND has 31 days, meaning it must be in July, however that also means for some reason the Calendar starts with Tuesday and not Monday or Sunday

[opal steeple]

that's interesting

[ripe berry]

it's confirmed to be 1992 since that's when the GAAP Opens in the Books, so that's how I can call out the Calendar starting on Tuesday instead of Monday or Sunday

[ripe berry]

For the Calendar to start on Sunday that'd mean this calendar is from July 1996

but I won't get into anomalies with dates so I'm just gonna stick with 1992 and that Ted just has a weird calendar

[ripe berry]

or other years to, it's just 1996 was the first post-1992 year that worked

[opal steeple]

they probably just didn't think of it tbh

[ripe berry]

it also could be 2002, 2013, or 2019 assuming it's a calendar from before or during 2023

they probably accidentally used a 1996 calendar due to that year being a important year in HN Lore, but them using a July Calendar is something I'm going to say was intentional

(and I checked and it doesn't seem to be a 1995 calendar unless it's May 1995)

which hey would line up with Mya's Death Date in the Games of May 3rd, but it probably unintentional

[ripe berry]

so I guess it's:
Book 4 - June 1991 (?)
Book 5 - June-July 1992
Book 6 - July-August 1992
Book 1 - August-September 1995
Book 2 - December 1995
Book 3 - July 1996

SN - August 1996
HE - August-September 1996
HNVR - October 1996
Old HN2 - October 1996

looks like we got most of the HN Timeline down to the Months

and I'm pretty sure Act 3 is April-June in 2017

(My reasoning is Act 3 has to be 19 years after HN1 and Act 1, back in HN1/HNHS Lore, seems to be Late May-Early June, so Act 3 must be at least 1 day before Act 1 making it technically only 19 years)

so at this point almost all of the old timeline has concrete positions that can not be changed other then by another Old Lore Game

[earnest bear]

odd lore theory but I think act two takes place in the basement but Nicky misremembers it as out side.
that would give reason to why in act 3 the basement is falling apart.

[cold gull]

I assume that's just bc of gameplay purposes, just as the big wooden walls around the house in act 2 aren't canon and are just there to make the Game fun, same thing must happen with where act 2 happens, probably TB thought it would be more cool if the whole thing was outside and not inside. Plus, similar choices of mere gameplay in the Franchise are seen in HNVR and SN, HNVR where there aren't any wooden walls like in Act 2, while in SN there are, in order to prevent players from ignoring the main purpose of the Game, and just that, gameplay

[fierce lantern]

Anyone have predictions about season 2 of WTRB..?

[earnest bear]

btw this better explains the difference's between hn1 ,hn2 and sn.

[shell gull]

HN1 and HN2 are in two different Canons.

[shell gull]

Eh we just have to wait.

[fierce lantern]

What about the screen shots? What role do you think Finch will play?

[earnest bear]

so hn1 Canons has the kids?
hn2 Canons has the town?

[shell gull]

HN1 is apart of the Old Lore Canon (which is all Tames except HN2 and SN, Books and Novels), HN2 is part of the New Lore, which is AS and SN.

[shell gull]

Act 2 is a distorted memory, Act 3 is Nicky’s imagination.

[earnest bear]

ok

[earnest bear]

As?

[shell gull]

Animated Series.

[earnest bear]

ok

[earnest bear]

is nicky diaries new or old lore_

[snow mauve]

Old lore obviously

Because it's retelling the books

[earnest bear]

ok

[sinful flint]

also hide and seek fits into both

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sinful flint]

okay...

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[shell gull]

Yeah technically.

[unkempt sleet]

Actually Hide and Seek doesnt fit the books...
We see Peterson Family as a happy family before Diane's death in HNHS but in the books they are not a happy family...

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sinful flint]

oh

idk i never read the books i watched youtube summaries of them

[unkempt sleet]

Yea books kinda retcon HNHS and make Peterson family a troubled family even before the car crash

Which also creates an inconsistency with HND and HNHS since HND is book 1

[sinful flint]

damn...

does this mean that hello neighbor hide and seek was foreshadowing the AS

[strange lance]

The AS was not planned back then

Basically it went.

HS and hn1 (books were not planned then) they wanted to do books so they changed stuff to make a better narative, then they changed stuff the books said to make games (the park)

Thankfully HND fixed that part about the park

Since HND is just book 1 it fixed the park not being burned entirely but just abandoned like in the games

A HS and hn1 remake making them connect to the books would be cool.

Also when it was just hn1 and hs nicky moved in before the petersons which doesn't feel right, so I'm glad they changed that

[thin wadi]

So was SN always supposed to be the rescue squad's imagination or did it really happen between act 1 and act 2 back then

(Until HNVR started development)

[ripe berry]

Ever since Rocket Event it's 100% been imagination

before Rocket Event, it's either imagination or non-canon

since the Neighbor turns into the the Thing when killed even back in the Alpha days

and the Thing was a non-physical Fear Entity back in HN1 so it kinda has to be that in SN for it to be canon

[snow mauve]

Ew

Old raven brooks

[thin wadi]

I like the foliage

[tribal talon]

Imagination they were probably playing while imagining it

Especially the whole disguise thing

And HNVR shows what happened

Trinity and Delroy break in first

And one gets captured

Then the rest break in and get captured

And Aaron breaks them out

[snow mauve]

Imagination

HNVR was when they actually break in and gets captured

[tribal talon]

Minus the big house

And maybe the cages

[snow mauve]

Duh

[tribal talon]

Considering he didn’t cage Nicky or Aaron

[snow mauve]

Duh

They were both locked in a separate room

[tribal talon]

He probably caged the squad cause there probably really stubborn kids

[snow mauve]

Obviously

[tribal talon]

Well except maybe Enzo

He just goes down

[thin wadi]

They sent Delroy in as bait 😭

[tribal talon]

Sad tbh

He was alone to he couldn’t be saved

If Trinity was with him it’s possible he would’ve made it out but guess not

[thin wadi]

We know that now, I was asking if SN was always intended to be 100% not real like when it first came out and during the alphas

[snow mauve]

Oh right

[snow mauve]

But was rescued anyway

[thin wadi]

Luckily

[tribal talon]

Took multiple days however

Or months

[thin wadi]

If they killed of bagger I would cry

Best character along with fincg

Finch

[tribal talon]

Only reason he stayed alive was because Theo probably gave him some food

Nicky had food in the Act 2 cutscene to

Iirc

[astral agate]

If they killed Beatrix I would cry

[tribal talon]

They will…

They hate him enough

In the next HN game he’ll be killed by The Guest

And the rest of the squad will laugh

[thin wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[tribal talon]

It’s true sadly…

[heavy shell]

Guys what's the forest protector lore

I'm at school lmao

[heavy shell]

Ik same

K anything else

[snow mauve]

That's it really

They exist in hello neighbor 2

Which you'll see more in future updates

[unkempt sleet]

Bro really forgot the whole luck thing of the cult

And They dont care about anyone but if anyone gets in their way, they will get rid of them

They dont specifically want to "Curse the town and kill Peterson"

But if it means getting what they want, they would do it

[snow mauve]

Bro I haven't read the books for a year now okay

I'm slowly forgetting about most of the important lore, jeez lol 😭

[heavy shell]

There's books o the guest and forest protectors

[unkempt sleet]

The Forest Protectors are a cult that uses some kind of devices for rituals and those ritual give the cult members more luck
They can also curse anyone they want with bad luck, they use the bad luck for whoever gets in their way
These rituals also affect the weather which explains the strange weather in Raven Brooks

[heavy shell]

Lol

[heavy shell]

Nice thx

[main vale]

guys

im glads to say

im fully back

and im back to get some clues to solve the lore

detective bruce back in game

[shell gull]

The Forest Protectors are a Urban Legend the Cults real name is “The Ravens”

[unkempt sleet]

Cult really doesnt have a name so you can use either to refer to them

[heavy shell]

K thx

What is the hn game lore in order btw

I just wanna know

So my fangame lore ties in with the lore

[safe charm]

1 Hide and seek
2 hello neighbor 1
3 hello neighbor vr and secret neighbor
4 hello neighbor 2

[snow summit]

Hide and seek
Hello guest
Hello neighbor 1
Hn vr and secret neighbor
Hello neighbor 2

[safe charm]

Hello guest isnt canon

Its an alpha

[snow summit]

maybe it will be released someday

[safe charm]

It already has

Hello guest is hello neighbor 2

Hello guest was just an working title

[heavy shell]

Thanks

[snow mauve]

Erm you forgot HE and HND

Smh

[silver vine]

I disagree

HN1 pretty much connects to HN2

[unkempt sleet]

Truee

[silver vine]

I can see similarites with the FP cult and the bohemian club

[unkempt sleet]

I dont know what bohemian club is but okay

[silver vine]

basically, a thousand high position guys in America go to this private place called Bohemian grove every one a year and do a ritual called "cremation of care" where they burn an effigy in front of a giant owl statue

and this is real, theres footage of it

[unkempt sleet]

interesting

[silver vine]

those guys claim its just a drama they do for fun

but this journalist called Alex Jones either snucked in or was invited to this place and he was the one who captured this footage

and he claims that they are worshipping this giant owl statue and are sacrificing ppl to him

while those guys say that the footage is real, but his comments are not

this story is just really similar to Quentin and the cult in HN2

[silver vine]

btw, this footage is up on youtube, you can watch it

[tribal talon]

What about hnx

[tribal talon]

hi can you send link in dm´s

[chrome seal]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

where did raven rooks come from like there was no spoiler or lore about it that it just showed up like bro? where did this come from?

[opal steeple]

raven brooks is a town... which is in (i think) missouri. not actually irl, but in the canon

[shell gull]

Except for the fact that one is apart of a different Lore, no matter what, you can’t disregard the fact that one is connected to something else, they may fit as games which at it’s lowest is fine, but once you branch off to everything else that doesn’t work.

[shell gull]

Honestly I see that.

[ripe berry]

Forest Protectors IRL

[silver vine]

bro HN1 is a part of both the lores

its flexible to both lores

same goes to HNHS

HN1 and HNHS were neither supposed to connect to the books nor the AS

they're independant of both lores

and so they can fit in both

unlike games like HND and HNVR which strictly follow old lore

[ripe berry]

yeah HN Full Games basically have 3 different lore, with HN1 and HNHS being a part of all three lores

the Original story, Old Lore, and New Lore

Original story is just HN1 and HNHS, Old Lore is every game but current SN (Old SN is part of Old Lore tho) and HN2, and New Lore is HN1, HNHS, HN2, and current SN

[shell gull]

That’s fair and I will say yes it fits kinda, but it doesn’t at the same time, both the whole plot is completely different, Teds House is completely normal in HN1, Nicky never broke in after getting kicked out of the Bales house, even the whole segment itself is completely different, while yes in Old Lore it’s the same, only 2 things out of everything was different, and that it was retconned, even the break in is literally a Act 1 Tutorial, with AS they are just flat out altering all of it, though Alex already pretty much confirmed that they are just interpreting each game to fit since the actual game wouldn’t fit together well (In devgamm he Semi-Stated this and in one of the Description on their YT Channel they just said it was “Interpreting” what happens in the game), I do agree that HN1 is flexible, though to say it fits AS or completely fits any Lore doesn’t seem right.

Though HNHS, definitely fits both Lores, currently there is nothing saying otherwise and is probably the only Game so far to be completely flexible to any Lore.

[unkempt sleet]

erm

HNHS is not canon to the book lore because of Peterson Family being a happy family

[safe charm]

Everything is canon actually

But okay

We will all die eventually and nothing matters

[shell gull]

Erm aktually they aren’t happy ehrm Aaron an Mya where jus haven fun till Diane went bye bye…

[safe charm]

Few times they were happy in the books too so what if in hide and seek

We only saw an happy day

[shell gull]

That was Pre HNHS though.

After that the only scene we see is the introduction seen between Nicky and the Peterson Family, which even that wasn’t Happy.

[safe charm]

Does patch 9 have any guest lore

In any way

[shell gull]

No.

Other than he’s a Cult Member at the least.

Which makes sense knowing his whole plot.

[safe charm]

Again

Do we know how the cult formed

Like came to be

I’m still kinda confused on the cult itself lore

[snow mauve]

Easy

They just want power

Just like in the books

So they wanna

RUIN

The town

[shell gull]

Early RB Members wanted Power, couldn’t gain it, formed Cult.

[safe charm]

Are they themselves forest protectors or are the forest protectors just a fake myth about the cult

[shell gull]

In Old Lore FP was a Myth, The Cult was the Ravens, In New Lore Alex keeps saying FPs are the same as Cultist.

[safe charm]

Probably they are even more barbaric in new lore

Or something

[safe charm]

That’s a good change imo

[unkempt sleet]

Forest Protectors were a myth formed because of the cult

they were never a different thing

[snow mauve]

CULT...

CULTTTTT..

[safe charm]

Did they mostly roam the forest and do rituals or did they mostly live Normal lifes

[unkempt sleet]

what

of course they lived their normal lives?

[safe charm]

That’s boring

Generic cult

[unkempt sleet]

the rituals were made when the storms were happening

[safe charm]

Hopefully new lore made them

Cooler

[unkempt sleet]

of course they didnt go around in the forest when they were not doing rituals

[snow mauve]

Everything you say is generic to you

[safe charm]

Ok

[silver vine]

why do you keep forgetting that Alex said HN1 Act 1 is a distorted memory/therapy session

[snow mauve]

We don't have to listen what alex says lol

[silver vine]

well, it will be shown in ep10

so

we just gotta wait then

[snow mauve]

Not that I care much

But ok

[silver vine]

also Nicky broke into the house several times before ep4

so, HN1 Act 1 could be like a mash up memory of everything

[snow mauve]

To AS lore at least

In it's different narrative

[shell gull]

Ah yes the infamous person who said that Nicky saved Aaron…

[unkempt sleet]

Ah yes, Alex said the exact opposite of that...

And according to WTRB, his quote is accurate

[shell gull]

Sorry got that wrong.

[shell gull]

And according to HN1 that shits 🧢

“Ehrm aktua ly nikeh sahved awron”

[unkempt sleet]

Ah yea, HN1
the game that got retconned to hell even before the AS...

[shell gull]

No not really, just one thing.

Actually no like 3.

But just 3.

AS meanwhile retcons all of it practically.

[silver vine]

well, that did seem to be the case in AS

[silver vine]

not all of it

[unkempt sleet]

Also like, HN1 is old

[silver vine]

HN1 Acts 2 and 3 were always distorted memories

Act 1 just got added to the list

that all

[ripe berry]

Nicky saves Aaron in AS, but when he remembers it distorted he remembers Aaron unlocking the door for him even though he was the one who unlocked the door

[shell gull]

Fair.

Out of everything it’s safe to say any game could be apart of multiple Lores but that’s a risky move to say when connecting things.

[ripe berry]

Plus scenes and plot-points from HN1 have been made canon again, the Missing Poster Scene in Act Finale, the House burning down, Aaron breaking the Window in the Act 2 Ending, Act 1 being daytime

They're clearly trying to make this work with HN1 as much as possible

and it's easy to see where some inspiration for certain things in Act 2 and the Dream Sequences come from in AS Lore

[unkempt sleet]

thats nice

[ripe berry]

Blood Ties having a Roller Coaster drive around Ted's House is just like the one in AS Ep. 6, even having the exact same cart appearance

Shark-o-Tron has a bear-Trap Mouth because Maritza mentioned being Bear-Trapped

the Fake Window falling is literally what save them in the beginning of AS Ep. 6

and Act 1 had a weird thing that AS makes make more sense

Why is Ted in the Basement in Act 1?

When you open the Gate to the room with the gated-off door Mr. Peterson spawns in the Map (I've even been caught by him several times)

He should be on the first floor still since that's where he is in Act 1's main section

but now he's in the Basement

(he's there before you open the door to the tunnels I explained what seems to spawn him into the Map so you can fact-check my claim for yourself)

and it also explains why locks representing Nicky's Fears would exist in Act 1 in the first place

They never existed, it's just a distorted memory

(Well maybe the Yellow Lock existed since that isn't tied to his fears but the Red and Green(?(I really need to replay HN1) probably didn't)

[wicked heath]

Red was fear Darkness, Green was fear School, Yellow was fear BATHROOM!! LET ME IN!!

[ripe berry]

I think the Yellow Lock was just a mistake and it was meant to be the Blue Lock

which while not in-itself leading to a Fear Room, it DOES lead to the only room to access Fear Supermarket

I mean they used the Blue Lock Model on the Red Lock in Act 2 so it's not the first time they've made this kind of mistake...

or it would be the first time but it wouldn't be the last

[ripe berry]

I'm gonna load up HN1 and grab image proof of the Neighbor in the Basement before opening the caged door

ok got a screenshot time to take a image of the screenshot and sned

Also I'm pretty sure the window that falls in Act 2 is the same window relative to the door that you have to remove in Act 1

or fake window I mean

hold on that was a bad image

Here's proof of Mr. Peterson in the Act 1 Basement

He spawns in right around the corner you just came from when you open the first gate

[wicked heath]

What’s that pose

Did you knock him down or some?

[ripe berry]

he was stretching

[wicked heath]

Oh right

But wouldn’t he see you or some?

[ripe berry]

He can't see through the non-openable gates and I guess he didn't hear me while I moved to get a front view

[wicked heath]

Smth random related to FNaF:
Officer Nielsen turned back on his swivel chair with the folder on his lap.
“What’s your deal Quentin. Some kind of… head case?”

[sage obsidian]

Hey guys, I know SN is in the kids imagination but I've got a question.
With SN it was in their imagination during their 'planning' stage if I'm correct.
After 'SN' did it go to HNVR where the break in was done?

[snow mauve]

Yes

SN starts first with the kids imagining

Then HNVR is where they actually start to break in

[sage obsidian]

ah, makes sense now. Thanks

[tribal talon]

Wait, WHAT?

what is behind the door when Mr. Peterson is chasing you down the hallway in the basement?

[ripe berry]

We aren't completely sure in the AS Timeline

but in the Book Timeline Mr. Peterson has a office beyond that door

and beyond that Office

is a fricking giant underground Amusement Park

Also would now be a good time to remind people we've never seen the entire Basement, there's several spots in HN1 where a part of the Basement is gated-off (not the movable ones tho) or a door is just locked for some reason

[quick fulcrum]

@ripe berry oh yeah that part baffled me when I read it. Wish it was implemented in the AS season 1 tho

[thin wadi]

omg I found my old overdrive account and found when I started reading the books

(Uh... ignore the 3rd one down)

[willow gale]

what if Nicky roth has dyslexia, explaining why all the words are jumbled up?

[thin wadi]

The words being jumbled around is just an artistic choice I'm pretty sure

Also nicky is pretty neurotypical

[sinful flint]

theres no way

[unkempt sleet]

erm its actually just wayron croobian

[silver cargo]

Is there a reason why he build an amusement park?

[manic dirge]

i wonder how much more of the basement there is

[thin wadi]

I mean

He is a little bit of a freak

But still

[safe charm]

A little

Is an understatement lol

[thin wadi]

This is raven brooks

[safe charm]

Also unrelated I checked the post mortem for AS they literally said they have to be super respectful and the already existing stuff

To the lore

So I think less is scrapped then we think

[thin wadi]

Compared to many other people in the town he isnt that abnormal tbh

[safe charm]

Btw question do guest

Live in the nest in your opinion

I’m planning on buying gn2

[silver vine]

and in the original HN1 timeline, it was Aaron's room

as seen in the finale

maybe the same in AS?

[willow gale]

Oh makes sense

[sage jacinth]

yo i finished Hello Neighbor

but... That Was like 2 years ago 2021

And yeah.. I'm about to complete HND

[willow gale]

so in hello neighbor missing pieces Nicky is the one to move to the neighborhood, but in Hello Neighbor hide and seek Mr Petersons family moves in and we can see Nicky out the window

why is this?

[opal steeple]

it's not them moving in, it's just a normal day in raven brooks

they moved in a year or so prior (correct me if i'm wrong)

[bleak spear]

iirc it was like 2-3 years but yeah

[ripe berry]

Mr. Peterson moves in in like June 1991, Missing Pieces is August-September 1995

Mr. Peterson just sucks at unboxing stuff I guess

[opal steeple]

clutter

he ran out of actual things to decorate the house with

[ripe berry]

of course he's moved most of those first floor boxes outside by the time HN1 happens

but yeah

[earnest bear]

what is the golden apple

[sage obsidian]

It reminds me of the 'golden apple amusement park'.
(but don't take this maybe)

[earnest bear]

is that the places were Mr.Peterson worked?

[shell gull]

Well we don’t know a whole lot about New Lore Golden Apple but in Old Lore, Golden Apple is a Company owned by the Tavish Family, that mainly sold Candy called “Golden Apples” they later made the Golden Apple Amusement Park which was lead by Ted (Mr. Peterson)

[unkempt sleet]

Thats because, contrary to popular belief, books have retconned stuff too

The whole happy Peterson family thing we see in Hide and Seek doesnt fit the books at all

[snow summit]

Yes, in the books they were very happy, although in hide and seek they are all joyful

[safe charm]

Who cares it’s better

It’s better then the generic happy family cliche

Imo

The books made the lore interesting hn1 and hide and seek they aren’t interesting at least not imo

[snow summit]

Well, by the way, an unhappy family that tries to be normal is more interesting than an ordinary family

[snow summit]

Hide and seek was done to better reveal the Peterson family, and only then the books seemed to come out

[safe charm]

Yes because they retconned

Them being a happy family

[snow summit]

Well, considering that in hello neighbor they don’t actually say them and could only be revealed in books

[snow mauve]

Books are all retconned now (no longer canon)

Why even matter at this point

[worthy temple]

In a cinematic of HN 2, Nicky is seen as a police major

[snow mauve]

Are you talking about Leslie?

Because that is NOT nicky

[worthy temple]

A

[snow mauve]

Nicky is still a child in HN2

[worthy temple]

A

[snow summit]

Did I miss something? Why are the books no longer canon?

[snow mauve]

Because we got the animated show now

That exists

[worthy temple]

I have the 2 first books and i not find anyone hint

[snow mauve]

Pretty much the main focus

Just in a different narrative

[snow summit]

I thought the cartoon was not canon

[snow mauve]

It is now

[snow summit]

So books don't matter?

[snow mauve]

Yup

Though some of the stuff may still be important

Like Lucy Yi

Mayak

Mr. Peterson's parents

The cult

[snow summit]

I've never been so sad in my life

[snow mauve]

You'll get used to it anyway

I've already been upset months ago and just moved on

And just dealt with it

[snow summit]

Well I'll move on

What about comic books? Are they also non-canon?

[snow mauve]

The novels are pretty much connected with the books

They're probably also not canon

[snow summit]

I don’t know, they don’t really say hello neighbor 2

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2 is something else

For now nobody knows how it's gonna connect in AS

Other than we know it taking place after HN1 act 2

And before hn1 act 3

[snow summit]

I thought they lasted after book 2, but after their cancellation I’m no longer sure of anything

[ripe berry]

there were 7 books before the lore change (+ two graphic novels/"comics")

((and no I am not counting Guidebook that thing is in it's own canon with how many contradictions there are to the games/books that future games/books don't uphold))

(Also I had a idea of trying to link what Nicky could be aware of from AS Season 1 to what we see Nicky reimagine it as in HN1 (a minor retcon is that Act 1 is no longer 100% real)

[manic dirge]

the books arent retconned. just a different timeline

[snow mauve]

The animated series has the same story like the games (and probably the books too) but in it's own different narrative

[shell gull]

Literally you can figure out AS Lore with the Books as an Assist.

[shell gull]

Yeah people still think that when Old Lore is still getting minimal work on it.

[ripe berry]

yeah if you have book knowledge you, in a way, have AS knowledge

[sinful flint]

Yeah it's like... the fnaf books... and the main fnaf timeline... kinda...

[tame quartz]

hn2 is what season 2 is gonna be based on

I just wanna see how they eventually “defeat” the guest

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

Impossible lol

[tame quartz]

It’s possible with the power of friendship!

[snow mauve]

Die

[tame quartz]

Lol

[keen pewter]

wats up with MITH? is he just an unused concept or is he still relevant? I hope hes still relevant to the plot because i think he has a lot of potential and he was always my favorite mystery during the days of hello guest.

[sage jacinth]

y

sup

i only type 7 words

so yeah i May be shy

[ripe berry]

he's still relevant... kinda...

[unkempt sleet]

He's still relevant

[ripe berry]

He's the Journalist before Quentin

[unkempt sleet]

He is Missing Journalist...

[ripe berry]

He recorded the Tapes that can be found throughout the base map

and then his story seems to end with him likely being murdered at the Church, but there's a chance we'll see him in HN2 Act 2 before the Church segment of the Act (currently a side quest) where he's dead

he is currently missing during the events of HN2, with Quentin replacing him

[keen pewter]

oh wait how do you know he recorded the tapes? also what’s the deal with him kidnapping quentin at the end of hello guest?

[bleak spear]

idk abt the tapes but afaik hg isnt canon

[keen pewter]

ohhhh ok ok

[stiff patio]

wait so the books are in an alternate timeline?

[shut hill]

Yea they aren’t canon anymore

[shell gull]

Because The Tapes we’re hid by The Cult and the only person investigating The Cult during that time was M.J.

[serene needle]

dangit

i was just going over in another server

that i wanted more representation of book locations in the games

like that whole ||tunnel system|| in the books

[ripe berry]

don't worry that's still canon

[serene needle]

great

[ripe berry]

A Intro Cutscene for Hello Neighbor 2 Act 2 that tinyBuild teased is mostly within the Tunnel, now named the Catacombs according to HN2's files

Basically if a Book Location is lore important it's staying

(Golden Apple Amusement Park, the Factory and the Tunnels)

and there's Hello Neighbor Diaries which depending on what they do with it either makes Book 1 in a way canon again or makes it the last game to still use Book Lore

[serene needle]

im a huge HN book fan so this is great

[ripe berry]

So more minor locations from book 1 (Natural Grocer, St. Nick's Lovely Llamas, and that Toy Store) have a chance at returning in the future

[ripe berry]

Golden Apple Amusement Park repeatedly appears in the Animated Series, The Factory seemingly appears for a few seconds in that Hello Neighbor 2 Act 2 Teaser, and I already explained how the Tunnels are still canon

[unkempt sleet]

I find it funny that everyone saying books arent canon anymore when the HN2 and AS utilizes concepts from the books (The cult, Bad Luck, Guest, Mayak etc.)

[ripe berry]

plus Hello Neighbor 1 is still canon so either way the Factory has to be canon

(oh shoot forgot the Weather Station exists still, it appears in AS Teasers)

Weather Station/"Mayak" has a updated design from the house it was in Hello Guest Prototype but it still exists

[serene needle]

HNVR has book elements doesnt it

actually i never figured this out

[ripe berry]

and Ted's Parents still exist (they're in a photo in HN2)

[serene needle]

is the game's intro tunnels related to the raven brooks tunnels

[unkempt sleet]

HNVR's tunnels is weird
Its a sewer and it directly connects to the house instead of connecting to basement

[serene needle]

actually now that i think about it what is going on in the intro why is all of that under his house

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor 2 implies yes

[ripe berry]

yeah

[serene needle]

im a very huge fan of HNVR's way of storytelling but they did not really tie up that one loose end

[ripe berry]

then again there's already too much stuff going on inside the Basement so it's reasonable they'd link it somewhere else just so they don't have to explain where everything went

[ripe berry]

since we have a already massive HN1 Act 1 Basement + a new Basement segment in HNVR

and if you want to add in AS that has it's own Basement Segment

(which seems to link to the Tunnels underneath the School, which may or may not be the Catacombs/Cultist Tunnels)

[serene needle]

i personally wonder whos doing all the digging

but perhaps that question is best left forgotten

[unkempt sleet]

They're supposed to be like ancient tunnels, i dont think it matters who dug them

[shell gull]

That doesn’t mean the Books are Canon to AS, it’s a while Seperate Canon that uses Old Lore Canon things but aren’t the same at a full extent.

[unkempt sleet]

I didnt said books are canon to AS

I'm saying its just not "they are not canon, they dont matter at all"

[ripe berry]

they sure do matter, they establish concepts and locations and characters who are important to AS lore

[stiff patio]

damn
I’ve been reading the books thinking they were canon lmao💀

[shell gull]

They do tie in with Act 3.

[cerulean onyx]

Now we know that !

(This was before lofi stream and abandoned town tracks)

before those i was convinced ruined town wasnt a playable are

[safe charm]

So yeah Aaron is likely being used as a vessel for the guest at least in some moments of the franchise

[shell gull]

NOW THIS, this is peak Lore Solving, I do highly agree with this especially since we still go back to the whole Aaron is The Guest thing in AS Ep 6, while it’s unclear how that works and is still highly doubting since the Plot line doesn’t fit with it, this would massively fix that, only real thing I kinda disagree with is the GN2 tie in with HN2, it tied in with Old HN2 not the Current Version, though with this in mind I highly agree with you this is very possible, you should also take in the fact that they are borrowing old HG Story Plots which do fit in with GN2 so I’m not gonna entirely disregard that, from what we know the possible theme is going to go with The Guest wants Ted but also wants to destroy the Town possibly with Mayak.

Current Guest Lore that we know based on what we have: The Guest is a Curse that The Cult used with the mystery item (that in turn summoned The Guest) the Investors who are also Cultist took from The Museum, possibly in either The Museum which is regarded with the Cage or in The Church regarded with the Bell noise.

(Guest Curse possibly used on Aaron)

[safe charm]

Aaron being the vessel imo

[shell gull]

Though from what we know originally we believed Ted built the Mannequins, but when you actually put two with two, it makes more sense to be The Guest since quite literally they are in Cult Territory, or unless Ted built them before The Cult came around the Area.

[safe charm]

Is better than the neighbor

[shell gull]

Eh, Teds is more iconic and more fitting with The Guest Character Canon History.

[safe charm]

Well in the future who knows maybe aaron guest posseses Theodore lol double possession

[shell gull]

It’s not possession in this case, just Curse inflicting.

[tribal talon]

what dogger wrote ties a bit with hnvr too
with the guest manipulating (could be possesing too?, idk) aaron to save his friends to make theodore vulnerable

[safe charm]

Well i don’t wanna get slaughtered but I agree

[shell gull]

Ehhh, sure yeah in a way, but not really, we know they are taking Old Lore and fitting things from it in New Lore, The Guest was manipulative in Old Lore and HNVR is Old Lore, the game doesn’t tie in at all with HN2.

That’s kinda how we solved Manipulative Guests return in New Lore was based on Layout V2 similarity to HNVR.

[tribal talon]

shit

sorry

misreaded

[shell gull]

No it’s fine.

[tribal talon]

yeah that´s right

[safe charm]

It’s over

[shell gull]

I mean yeah it takes a lot but not everything, it takes The Cult but yet The Cult isn’t entirely similar, same with The Guest.

Gtg

[steady nest]

Yo

Mith is missing journalist

[bleak spear]

indeed

[steady nest]

Yoooo

When the answer was so obvious bru

[shell gull]

We’ve known for a while.

[ripe berry]

I see you've discovered the two pieces of eveidence that heavily link MitH to MJ

[silver vine]

I dont think they will defeat him/kill him forever

[astral agate]

I don't think mith is mj

[silver vine]

he is

[astral agate]

Proof?

[shell gull]

SN constantly mentions them as parallels, “The Journalist knows the owner of the Hat” or the MITH badge literally talking about Journalism, MITH and M.J. Have the same body structure and face structure, MITH died the time M.J. Went missing, they are the same person.

[silver vine]

bro MITH/MJ isnt dead 😭

[shell gull]

[silver vine]

ok

proof that hes dead?

[safe charm]

No way

You genuinely believe that

Lol

[shell gull]

Patch 9, one of the Grave Stones were slightly open, and he was in there.

[shell gull]

Wth do you mean your telling me the mofo who’s literally the MITH model not moving 6 feet under a tomb stone isn’t dead 💀

[safe charm]

Bro haven’t heard of a Easter egg

They closed even off the grave

Now

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

What are you yapping about

Even if that’s an Easter Egg he’s still dead in there 💀

[safe charm]

Ahh yes turn mj into Mith just to kill him off

Truly

[shell gull]

Even if the Hotfixes sealed The Grave his model is still there.

[silver vine]

its just an easter egg

and the grave is closed now

[astral agate]

secret neighbor referenced hello guest

[safe charm]

No

Don’t keep denying it

It’s almost a fact Mith is mj at this point

[astral agate]

i need more proof

and i just aint seeing it

[safe charm]

Because you’re in denial

[astral agate]

im not in denial

[shell gull]

Ah yes the character who’s entire plot was to symbolize how Quentin followed his same fate, is not dead, that’s like saying they put Beatrix somewhere around the Map, and saying “That’s just an Easter egg she’s actually somewhere else in the story!” 💀 even if he isn’t Dead and for some reason MITH has a Clone now doesn’t change anything his Plot line is still the same either way.

[astral agate]

im having opinions

[astral agate]

mj is just there for quentin to be there

not any importance

[shell gull]

Exactly his whole Plot line is that he followed M.J. Footsteps and shared his Fate and died just like he did, but since they are making a Story Expansion Quentin will survive and Nate as of dying like he did, that was the whole Plot literally.

[safe charm]

You’re wrong

About story expansion

Not being planned

[shell gull]

Not this shit again.

[safe charm]

That was never meant to be the ending how do you genuinely believe that

[astral agate]

how does this have anything to do with mith being mj?

[safe charm]

That’s not an ending

To a good story

[shell gull]

Patches 4+ never started till AFTER Launch

[shell gull]

It’s not making a point.

[safe charm]

Because they planned to finish the story in updates

Because they didn’t have time

[shell gull]

No they didn’t

When was this confirmed

Show me

[safe charm]

Nowhere but it’s damn obvious

[astral agate]

mj doesnt even look like mith

[safe charm]

The story was planned

Before launch

And now we are getting the complete story

[shell gull]

Where, because from what I remember they already stated that they are making the Expansion because of “Demand”

[shell gull]

If it was it would be in the demo

[shell gull]

Which it ain’t.

[shell gull]

That just confirms they are making an Expansion 💀

What?

[safe charm]

Omg

How can you not understand

Do you think it took that long

To come up with such a simple story

No

That’s absurd

[shell gull]

Bud, your talking stupid rn, there was no expansion planned, it’s was the Demand.