lore-discussion

[thin wadi]

They butchered the neighbor's facial expressions so hard 😭

[snow mauve]

Yeah I don't like scary neighbor's face in the alphas-beta

[thin wadi]

Now his mouth is slanted and his eye brows look angry..?

[snow mauve]

Yeah

He just looks goofy

And silly

[thin wadi]

And the idea animations

Please give us new idles for the kids and the neighbors!

The guest has fine animations, the rest need to go

[snow mauve]

Quentin the most lol

He just has nothing

[thin wadi]

I wish they never added him

Hes not a kid

Why is he there

He has his own game

[snow mauve]

Because

AS lore ig

Or smth

I mean one of the devs did say it was for story change

I think

[thin wadi]

Why can't the rescue squad have their own game?

Not talking about HNVR

[snow mauve]

But they already have several times tho..

Like I'm tired of just seeing them in almost every game

I rather have new characters like Quentin

Than just always Nicky and The Rescue Squad

[ripe berry]

Quentin is going to be a overused character just you wait

[snow mauve]

NOOOOOOOO

Not my boy Quent 😭

[thin wadi]

But not grown adults

On a kids team about kids sneaking into the neighbor's basement

[crude thunder]

"Why cant the rescue squad have their own game? Not talking about their own game"

[thin wadi]

Yes, I'm not talking about their own other game

I'm talking about their original game

Which would be SN

[crude thunder]

secrit meybor

sekkrit nahor

[thin wadi]

kneebar

[crude thunder]

rel and tru

[snow mauve]

Why not have adults too?

[thin wadi]

Because its against the whole premise of the game

[snow mauve]

Well hello neighbor originally started as an adult than a kid

But ok

I don't see why not have another adult protagonist

[thin wadi]

Not the premise of hello neighbor as a whole

The premise of SN

[snow mauve]

Right well

I was referring to

The future of HN games

Not SN

[thin wadi]

Oh

[quick fulcrum]

Idk much about the Guest lore but I have a theory

Assuming that tinybuild scrapped the old lore of the hn2 Alphas, it taking place after Act 3 and all

I think that since the story of hn2 switched to being between act 1 and 2, it's safe to say that they're taking a new direction with the Guest and the LORE of hello neighbor 2

Idk if this theory will go anywhere but, I know Aaron being the Guest is kinda hated

But I think that maybe the Guest is connected to Aaron somehow. Like it's not actually Aaron in the suit. But he's connected psychology to the Guest.

[thin wadi]

Probably

[quick fulcrum]

In hn vr you see Aaron morph in and out of the Guest,

[thin wadi]

The guest is connected to the Peterson's in hnvr

Wait

Thats old lore

[quick fulcrum]

@thin wadi whats old lore?

[thin wadi]

Lore from the books and most games

[crude thunder]

Guest demon

[quick fulcrum]

Yeah, the TV series seems like it's bridging the games, and the games are a bit separate because the series had to change things to make it make sense...

[thin wadi]

The books graphic novels HN1, HNHS, HNVR and HE

Are all old lore

[torpid sinew]

i miss old lore

[thin wadi]

HN2 and the animated series are all new lore

[thin wadi]

Same

[crude thunder]

Ok

[quick fulcrum]

Old lore is better in my opinion

[crude thunder]

The earth shattering farts in question:

[quick fulcrum]

I like the rescue squad in the series better but Nicky is annoying in the series

[thin wadi]

All the kids are annoying in the series imo

Except Ivan because he acts like how I'd expect him too

[quick fulcrum]

Ivan didn't even have a character in the old lore so I'll take that

[thin wadi]

And also Finch (even though she has like 5 seconds of screen time)

[torpid sinew]

"guys guys guys books bad guys fart joke guys guys books bad old lore bad fart joke guys"

[crude thunder]

Aarons juiciest most earth shattering fart

[thin wadi]

[quick fulcrum]

[crude thunder]

Im not even saying old lore is bad its just funny

[quick fulcrum]

LORE

Anyways old lore in my opinion is a bit better, like Nicky getting kidnapped in the series was underwhelming compares to the books

[torpid sinew]

oh ok

[crude thunder]

Go back to hating me or something old lore defender..

[shell gull]

Damn, that escalated, don’t know how you got offended by him saying that but alright.

[manic dirge]

fr

[paper edge]

will hello neighbor two add more to the lore

will there be more updates for hello neighbor 2

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[snow mauve]

Duhhhhhhhh

Yeah

[strange lance]

Hn2 will add more lore to it's continuity, including the AS.

It will not connect to any other hn game or books

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[strange lance]

What does hn1 have to do with that?

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[strange lance]

Uh alright

[pale urchin]

I understand why he pointed out hn1. He's saying "imagine if hn1 had the same situation as hn2 is having"

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[pale urchin]

Oh

[strange lance]

It all began with mayak..

Mayak always was, is, and will be there..

It was the catalyst. It created 2 timelines..the OG continuity and the AS continuity.

Both are similar but different and exist at the same time

I would not be surprised if in the AS it's revealed mayak created the universe

[silver vine]

the bathtubs kinda sucked imo tho

[snow mauve]

Yeah true

But was still a cool thing

[glacial whale]

I used to hate the multiple timeline thing people forced. Now I actually find it good with the current state

[snow mauve]

NO-

[thin wadi]

AS nicky is more crazy though

Unhinged obsessed child

Vs likable smart and logical child

[tribal talon]

"it will not connect to any games or books"
ummm... i can´t send the ||photo collectibles|| here

[strange lance]

The ones from patch 9 area?

[tribal talon]

yeah

[strange lance]

If you're talking about the wrecked town that doesn't connect to the books or games.

The storm in og hn2 happened before the games events began, and the flood in gn2 happens after hn2.

In new hn2 the town gets a storm mid game which is it's own thing. ||Also if you're talking about mith that's just mj in this continuity, but he's also dead? Idk what's up with him||

Also the wrecked town isn't a spoiler we've known that since the first guest teaser

So it should be fine to discuss

[tribal talon]

It´s still connects. And for me it does it better. ||We see ted´s house burn (preliminar act 3), we see destroyed houses and the town becames a mess. For me it connects||.
That´s what i think smh

[thin wadi]

I don't think the screenshots should be posted out of the spoiler room but discussion should be fine

[strange lance]

Act 3 burning was retconned in the original lore so it doesn't connect to the overall og lore. It does connect to og hn1 when the house burning was canon. Also we have not seen the full pictures and areas of the wrecked town, we don't know if the entire house is up in flames

For all we know the fire could go out due to rain

We should wait and see first

[tribal talon]

How it´s the act 3 burning retconned. I know books retconned it, but if they added kept it in the final version of hn1, it´s for something. Games and books connect but they have slight differences.

[strange lance]

They did not plan for hn to get that big. When they had a chance to rewrite stuff for the books they just chose to not have the house burn. Theres a lot in hn1 that doesn't make sense just due to it being the first game

Also going back into hn1 and making drastic changes to fit with the books would be a lot of work

[subtle turret]

Idk but why your name Gets attention

[strange lance]

My name?

[subtle turret]

Yesyour discord name

[strange lance]

By attention you mean like, me talking to people?

[subtle turret]

Yes

[strange lance]

I guess so

[subtle turret]

^^

[strange lance]

I just like talking about the lore

[subtle turret]

Ok

[tribal talon]

Well, for me, it´s canon for now. We´ll see when they drop the entire act 2, which actually looks interesting.

i made this sound kinda like a denial

[strange lance]

[tribal talon]

||Bringing back mith was kinda funny, but he seems interesting||

[manic dirge]

or that TB felt that the old lore was getting boring and made a new story

[ripe berry]

Na

they made AS Lore since Books didn't "adapt well to animation"

[manic dirge]

yea

[pliant estuary]

ok I'm going to get destroyed for putting this here but who cares, this is the way I see the new timeline, the part with Nicky's Diaries is referring to only the memories and not the intro or the gameplay, if you have any questions just ask!

Also I couldn't fit GAA on this page (In other word I forgot to put it here) but it would be in 1991, meaning it would be in-between bosco bay and H&S/Diaries memories

also since we know next to nothing about season 3 I didn't put it here

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[pliant estuary]

Lobotomy...

[strange lance]

wouldn't hnd be after hn2, since Nicky is a adult in hnd reliving the memories

[pliant estuary]

read please, I said "only the memories"

[strange lance]

ok so, just book 1-3

you could've put that instead

the nicky trilogy

[pliant estuary]

no just a cut version of book 1 which is currently what Diaries memories are (which they might add book 2-3 later on) the Diaries version of book 1 never mentions Trinity, and Nicky|| finding the note with blood from Aaron and seeing Aarons broken window covered in blood|| would be imo a good reason for Nicky to think Ted killed Aaron in AS

but idk its just a theory...

[shell gull]

Any Book or Novel isn’t AS, HND isn’t AS either from what we know.

[thin wadi]

Stop mixing new lore and old lore! Grrr!

I'm just kidding

[pliant estuary]

"from what we know" its not that these things are AS, its that they could fit into AS theoretically, and that there hasn't been anything big to 100% retcon them yet, I actually think they help explain some of the AS story points that don't make sense, like for example, given the last couple of memories in Diaries it would make sense why Nicky thinks Aaron is dead, given the bloody note, and Mya saying "Its dad he's getting worse" also since the Diaries version of book 1 never mentions Trinity it lines up with her moving to town in AS, I'm just saying it could be, even if its not 100% confirmed, its a theoretical timeline

[shell gull]

Yeah but it’s already confirmed not Canon, Bloody Note sure, but that’s Disregarding everything else.

[pliant estuary]

what else?

There's not much in the Diaries version of book 1 that contradicts things in wtrb

while there's nothing in WTRB that out right says "Nicky and Aaron were friends at one point"

on the other side though there's nothing that says they were not friends

I'm not saying Diaries itself is cannon in AS, I'm saying the events in the memories (aka cut down version of book 1) can have been events in the AS timeline

[ripe berry]

There IS a implication based off Nicky never saying Aaron or Mya in the entire first Season

instead just calling them Peterson's Kids

THEN AGAIN...

We're forgetting that he's kinda also trying to spread the idea to Trinity

and Trinity wouldn't know who the hell Aaron or Mya are

[crude thunder]

(He has no idea who they are either)

[ripe berry]

or that they are related to Mr. Peterson, so to make things simpler he just calls them Peterson's Kids so that only one person is addressed

[crude thunder]

(He has no idea who they are)

[ripe berry]

Proof other then him not calling them by name

[crude thunder]

AS lore dumb

[ripe berry]

like any actual PROOF he didn't know them

[crude thunder]

That's my proof

[ripe berry]

that isnt proof of anything

its a fact sure

but it isnt proof of lore

[crude thunder]

I miss when nicky would do anything to save aaron and not be a little idiot

[ripe berry]

Oh Sh*t just remembered what he says in Episode 6 when we first find him

"I'll be your friend... your best friend..."

[crude thunder]

Yeah

AS lore sucksssss

https://tenor.com/view/no-sad-frustrated-no-way-yell-gif-17334973

[ripe berry]

Uh how do you explain this away

[crude thunder]

Wdym

[ripe berry]

Oh wait... Nicky seems to have forgotten stuff since his whole "open the door open the door gasp DON'T OPEN THE DOOR DON'T OPEN THE DOOR I'M SORRY I'M SORRY."

so he could've just forgotten who someone in the Basement with him is

[crude thunder]

No hes just being influenced

By guh

[ripe berry]

Proof? I know there's the "Locks can't keep it out... it gets in your head..." but that could easily be talking about the Thing and not the Guest

[crude thunder]

Ok

AS lore dumb 😈

[tame bane]

Sorry for coming out of nowhere but, what those AS mean

[crude thunder]

Animated series

Aka mid

[ripe berry]

AS is the Animated Series Welcome to Raven Brooks

[tame bane]

Ah, thanks

[ripe berry]

Again this is a fact but it's not theory proof

[crude thunder]

It issss...

[ripe berry]

You have to give something more then that the lore is dumb for it to count as proof

[crude thunder]

It's enuf

[ripe berry]

(something related to what you're trying to prove/disprove)

[crude thunder]

The other kids know who the kids are, I'd hope so atleast

He just blurts stuff out, Nicky I mean

[ripe berry]

The never address Peterson's Kids by name either so if they can know who Aaron and Mya are Nicky can

[crude thunder]

Yeah but they'd talk about it as well

I don't think they'd care if the new kid didn't know who they are by name

Also their names are all over town on missing posters

[tame bane]

What if Nicky just forgot aaron was cause he went crazy in the basement. idk Im just gonna leave

[crude thunder]

Were, atleast

[ripe berry]

yeah, a bonus reason Nicky wouldn't call them by name in Ep. 1

No need to clarify their names when the names are all over town

[crude thunder]

But also thats not how people talk about someone they know

[ripe berry]

then how WOULD Nicky talk about Aaron and Mya?

[crude thunder]

Aaron and Mya!!!

[ripe berry]

and yet the other kids never call them by name?

and again he's also trying to spread the idea to Trinity so he'd have no reason to clarify names since she'll likely find out their names anyways and it's a bit less explaining to do

and also HN2 is a part of the AS Timeline and has several Book 1 references in Nicky's Treehouse

as well as the names for the Themes linking Aaron and the Treehouse that... you know... is on Nicky's Side of the street

Treehouse plays children_memories, while Saving Aaron plays the lite version of the song, children_lite

[crude thunder]

What is linking aaron to the tree house other than "what happened to the children"

[crude thunder]

The lite version is a completely different song which is funny

[ripe berry]

and why would this be simple asset reuse, it's not like a clock from HE that has 0 lore relevance

[crude thunder]

Cuz it kind of is a reuse

The book 1 stuff is from diaries

[ripe berry]

but why reuse assets with lore relevance in Nicky's Treehouse

[crude thunder]

Cuz egs are funny

[ripe berry]

and it's not like they don't know the context behind the Blueprints and the Game Cartridges because they put the GAAP Blueprint in Ted's House

and also there's a lot of Book Pictures in Ted's House implying to a extent the information in the books is canon

(They have the Golden Apple Young Inventor's Club image from Book 1 in there which proves at least some of the stuff from the books that seems to contradict AS has to be canon to AS)

(Maritza doesn't call Aaron or Mya by name, which if that for Nicky means he doesn't know them then that'd also mean Maritza wouldn't know them, and yet her (or her original book design at least) is right there in the image)

[shell gull]

Yeah but the Tree House has Assets Commected to it that they just Add back in when reusing it, and it’s very likely that the Tree House was made during Old HN2, so that’s why the Book References are in there.

[strange lance]

Ted has the hello engineer rocket model and clock in his house. This clearly means he stole the rocket and clock from the inventors club

[crude thunder]

he has the what model

am i tripping i dont remember a rocket

[strange lance]

I believe it's in the basement on a shelf

The HE clock is also used in the museum attic

[shell gull]

So just a Reused Asset.

[strange lance]

Yes

I was just using it as an exmaple for the treehouse stuff since those are also just reused models

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[crude thunder]

HE lever is also all over the game

[strange lance]

Mhm

[shell gull]

Even though they have a Lever Model.

[strange lance]

Gotta use the HE one

[crude thunder]

seems to have been intended for theos house specifically

since theres like a makeshift-painted version of his wallpaper on its base

like him putting it somewhere and trying to have it blend in

[ripe berry]

Well do the Hello Engineeer Rocket and Clock Models have lore importance? (oh wait yeah HE Sandbox Mode Ending forgor about that)

[pliant estuary]

Diaries is AS

I don't remember people thinking Ted was a killer in the books

this only could mean one thing

Diaries is obviously AS lore

[crude thunder]

Okay

[ripe berry]

Forgot to mention that

[opal jackal]

Not that it matters since HND is just a cashgrab game

[pliant estuary]

your a cash grab game

[opal jackal]

Full of microtransactions and stuff

[strange lance]

Nah. This whole description acts like the game events are real despite being in Nicky's head where, may I remind you, everything is applified.

It also says we explore the suburban neighborhood which is a lie lmao

"Rumors he is a killer" there is literally nobody there besides nicky

Don't trust this description

Also the game straight up is showing the book events leading up to nicky going to the basement with no AS events involved. it's not part of the AS

Stop trying to make them connect

[safe charm]

You Said that like 1000 times

[crude thunder]

Okay

Hes right though

[strange lance]

and I'll continue to until people realize the
AS does not connect with og lore hn games

[safe charm]

Or maybe just ignore it

[strange lance]

no, people will just continue to confuse themselves and sometimes others. That ain't good

it's doesn't hurt to correct people

[thin wadi]

From an outside perspective the HN franchise is very confusing. 'They released HN1 which is about breaking into your crazy neighbors house to uncover his secrets in the basement. They released HNVR which is about breaking into your crazy neighbor's house to uncover his secrets in the basement. They released HND which is about breaking into your crazy neighbor's house and uncovering his secrets... etc etc... then they have a TV show that is just the same as the VR game and the multi-player game... except the story is completely different? It just seems like each game is the same and only keep getting made to keep the franchise alive'

This is what my friend had to say about HN

There's not many new ideas anymore, to him it looks like each game is the same

Thats why Hello Guest would have been so good because its not the same story told over and over again but its a new story with a new premise

(Reading back what I wrote realizing I don't make much sense)

[stiff spire]

true

they keep changing the lore

[karmic ravine]

idk if this was true or not but i forgot, is it true in Hello engineer that mr Peterson wanted to make a time machine to bring back his wife

someone said that

[stiff spire]

maybe

but what it did in actuality is when he reset time the ending was basically like the kids were like they didn't see anything

[karmic ravine]

also we should talk about the hn2 patch 9 ending cuz it got me confused ( spoilers btw )

[stiff spire]

so his plan didn't work sorta

[karmic ravine]

oh dang

[stiff spire]

he is a hard worker though he does everything he can to do stuff

most likely he just wants everything he knew and loved back

[karmic ravine]

i mean i wouldnt be suprised of he did make a time machine, he built a 5 story house with a windmill and a train

[stiff spire]

true

the weirdest lore change is he built his massive house in the show but in the games it's all a dream I'm still taking AS as it's own but they're trying to make it work with the games

I think the AS is good but it's kind of weird in some places

[karmic ravine]

thats gonna mess with the lore like 70% of it

[stiff spire]

they've been pretty much shifting around the lore from here and there originally they were gonna make the books canon but they didn't find it to match well with animation

the only game that has the old lore from the books is HND (hello neighbor diaries)

[karmic ravine]

do we know when ( the date ) of mr peterson and Diane getting married

[stiff spire]

nope

[karmic ravine]

dang

i just found a photo of them 2 at a wedding

idk if that is spoilers or not

[stiff spire]

I'll probably guess around the 1950s or 1970s idk Theodore doesn't look too old

[karmic ravine]

i think hes like 50 somthing

[stiff spire]

probably

[karmic ravine]

he was born 1945

[karmic ravine]

blud got married at 5

jk

oh yea age 51 in hn doesnt say hn2 tho

[stiff spire]

he did look younger in HN1

[karmic ravine]

and grew a beard in hn2

[stiff spire]

if I were to guess the events of HN1 and 2 take place after a couple of months but then again HN2 is like a rewritten story of HN1 sort of

[stiff spire]

but it's still new at the same time

[karmic ravine]

in reset day ( book ) hes 76

bros a grandpa

[stiff spire]

oh yeah

[snow mauve]

HN2 is just a remodel of the original game

[snow mauve]

Doesn't mean that he's old

[karmic ravine]

oh so same year then

[snow mauve]

When he's already old

[snow mauve]

Well yeah since HN2 takes place After HN1 act 2

Same with Hello Neighbor vr

[snow mauve]

Funny enough

HND did this

By using HN2 model

But removed his beard

[karmic ravine]

and hn1 act 3 is ahead of everything right

[stiff spire]

true

[snow mauve]

Yep far from the future

[stiff spire]

it's cursed though that they show the HN1 neighbor in the cutscenes

[karmic ravine]

also whos piper and Regina

i just found that out

[snow mauve]

Piper is a random girl that lives with her auntie in the Reset book

Which her auntie is adult Maritza

And Regina is from another novel book

[stiff spire]

GN2

[snow mauve]

Yep

Raven Brook disasters

[karmic ravine]

oh wow

[stiff spire]

honestly GN2 is one of the best HN books in the series it has a sad twist and it's relatable

[thin wadi]

No adult maritza is the AS realtor lady 😡
(/j)

[snow mauve]

And apparently Maritza's brother Enzo went missing

And there's a weird time loop thing

[karmic ravine]

also we should really talk about the hn2 patch 9 ending cuz it got me confused

[snow mauve]

But the books aren't canon anymore

[stiff spire]

probably I would say sometimes it's hard to let things go

[snow mauve]

And we will never know what will happen next

[stiff spire]

wait are we allowed to talk about the patch 9 ending here since the update has been out for a while now or do we still have to use the spoilers channel

[snow mauve]

Mr. Peterson's wife and daughter are possessed mannequins (or probably just some hallucinations)

That they were mistaken

And assumed Quentin

Is Ted

But he's not

And that's it

Pretty much from what I've gathered so far

[karmic ravine]

oh wow

[snow mauve]

But of course there's more to be discovered

In future updates

So it's obviously not over yet

Since there's more plans going on with the Guest

[karmic ravine]

this might sound dumb but i just thought they were thanking him because quetin was investgating him and telling people that hes just a sad man and not evil

[snow mauve]

And funny enough

Quentin just fainted again

Just had too much to process

[karmic ravine]

bro blushed

[thin wadi]

How many times will quentin faint in hn2

[stiff spire]

I feel like the mannequins were supernatural or something how did they move

[karmic ravine]

he fainted of love

[snow mauve]

Oh hell no

[karmic ravine]

LOL

[snow mauve]

I believe they're just one of Quentin's hallucination or probably just their soul versions idk

[stiff spire]

I like the soul version

[thin wadi]

Car crash.
Knocked out after the barn.
Faints when he gets the museum key.
Gets Knocked out at the end of the boss fight.
Passes out after seeing mya and Diane's presumed ghosts....

[snow mauve]

Or maybe someone either The Guest, Cultist, Ted or probably someone else that built the mannequins

And tries to sorta bring Diane and Mya back

[stiff spire]

there is a 3rd person version of the cutscene (halloween trailer)

[snow mauve]

I'll never forget his horrific scream

[stiff spire]

but to be honest though I would really love it if did get 3rd person cutscenes

[karmic ravine]

AHHHH- cliff hanger

[stiff spire]

most of the cutscenes is Quentin blinking in first person view

[snow mauve]

Oh yeah

Very strange how in cutscenes now

We legit see Quentin blink

Lmao

I find it unnecessary

[stiff spire]

the only time we do get to see him in 3rd person is for a few seconds when he is about to take a sip from his coffee and write down something in his journal

[snow mauve]

Yep

[snow mauve]

Yet oddly enjoyable to watch

Cuz honestly

It just make the cutscenes sorta feel like

We are

In the game

Which to me made me forget that I'm playing the game lol

[stiff spire]

my favorite cutscene is the intro (especially the way how they updated it now)

[snow mauve]

I like the nightmare sequences

Just the crowman themes

The way it's presented

Something about it just makes me love it

But pretty much i love every single HN2 cutscene

Besides late fees

[stiff spire]

oh yeah the bed nightmare was my favorite too

[snow mauve]

I'm not satisfied with that ending lol

[snow mauve]

Ah yes nightmare 1

Pretty unique one

Showing us how Ted could be terrifying

[stiff spire]

I'd honestly like to see what would it look like if they were to update it but also all the other nightmare scenes

[snow mauve]

Just him trying to get in your house

[snow mauve]

I doubt they'll rework other nightmare sequences tbh

Cuz honestly all of them are uniquely well made

I don't see what's need to be changed

[stiff spire]

true do they look nice

I was actually thinking of making a suggestion to remove Aaron's "Help Me" on his shirt so that players would get more terrified but it should stay so we know what is our goal

[karmic ravine]

did yall notice the updated intro scene where aaron is getting captured when aaron falls, mr peterson gets shocked and scared that he mightve gotten hurt

hold on i have a clip that shows that

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

Are you talking about the rework intro cutscene?

[karmic ravine]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxBhb747iWeUmyKF7r6dyfTsE-t8mpNd8P?si=73i10ycRZqkLpA4h

[stiff spire]

oh that part

[snow mauve]

Okay that part

I'm pretty sure

Ted was trying to tell Aaron

To stop running away from him

[karmic ravine]

and when he walks in the house ted lets go of aaron

[snow mauve]

Which doesn't show Aaron getting hurt at all

[karmic ravine]

just letting him in the house

[snow mauve]

Yeah cuz he tries to be nice of him but fails to do so

When someone is watching him

Which is kinda awkward

So he just gently tell him to go back inside

[stiff spire]

I'll probably say the Neighbor has lived a very bad life the sad thing is Aaron is all he's got left so once he dies or something bad happens to him ||HNVR|| Theodore will be all alone

[karmic ravine]

hes tryna be careful with him and not hurt him because hes protecting him from not dying just like diane and mya

[snow mauve]

Yeah obviously

He wasn't trying to physically hurt him

[karmic ravine]

you said it like hes protending to be nice to him

[snow mauve]

Yeah because someone is watching him lol

When earlier

He jumped on him

And drag him back inside

In a aggressive and sorta abusive way

But it's pretty obvious he desperately want to protect him

And don't wanna lose him

[karmic ravine]

bro said some " BOO-YHA "

[stiff spire]

the flower pots do look nice

[snow mauve]

Nobody really knows what happened to Aaron in HNVR

But if i were to connect HNVR with HN2

I would assume

Ted dragged Aaron away

[snow mauve]

At the end of HNVR

Which would make sense

And sorta fit to the timeline

Instead of the Guest doing that

[stiff spire]

HNVR feels like GN2 (we got the nest, and the part where the Guest takes over Theodore but in a different way instead of drowning him)

oh shoot

I did not mean to reply to you

[snow mauve]

Lol

[stiff spire]

eh I'll keep it

[karmic ravine]

lol its fine

[snow mauve]

Yeah it certainly does give those kind of vibes

When HNVR clearly connects with the books

And HN1 perfectly

[stiff spire]

if HN2 does have a proper conclusion which will probably take a while I'd like to see some kind of recreation similar to the scene of the neighbor getting ambushed by the cops and fighting them

from ep6 of the AS

that scene was my favorite part

[snow mauve]

HN2 is starting to make me think that the game is actually connect the pieces well with HN1

And some with the books too

Like we've seen pictures of each book character

(In Upstairs bedroom)

Also there's this one secret picture

Showing Ted's house collapsing and on fire..

(Doesn't that remind you of something...)

[stiff spire]

goodbye house

[snow mauve]

Mhm

[stiff spire]

finally (we'll most likely see how the neighbor's house got destroyed) it'll probably be destroyed in an epic way

[snow mauve]

This just excites me

Because

After years

We probably will finally know

What will happen to the neighbor's house

[stiff spire]

my question is who burned down his house

my guess is the cult

[snow mauve]

Or the guest

Idk, but I really hope we will actually see

[karmic ravine]

i hope to see alot of action and the fire burning the house down and mr peterson panicking to get aaron out of the house

[stiff spire]

iirc his house got trashed by vandals in the books

[snow mauve]

His house burning down

[stiff spire]

and they wrote cursed on it too

[snow mauve]

Okay first off, why would they return back into their house?

When they're probably at somewhere else

Like in the museum

Or maybe somewhere else

[karmic ravine]

wdym

like flashback

[snow mauve]

Flashback?

[stiff spire]

for some reason I feel like he would come back maybe he still left Aaron in the basement and the house caught on fire and went back quickly to save him

[karmic ravine]

idk about yall but i think mr peterson would do anything to save aaron

[stiff spire]

but then again we don't know what happened to Aaron after act 3 of HN1 maybe we'll get to know

since HN2 will cover past and future events of the story like what Adam said in the devlog 3 video

[snow mauve]

But he's the thing

Why would Aaron be in the basement?

If he technically is with his father

And being kept hidden somewhere else

[manic dirge]

graymanor real ||jk||

[snow mauve]

NOOOOOO

[manic dirge]

enter lobotomy

[stiff spire]

maybe he realizes he forgot about him after he escapes for some reason and by the time he goes back he remembers that he still kept Aaron in the basement only to see the house being burned down but other than that I don't have any other idea why he would be in there still

[snow mauve]

I'm really looking forward

For the future of HN2

[stiff spire]

we'll definitely be seeing the photos in action in patch 10 alongside with crowman shelter

imagine if mayor died I don't think he did if so what would happen to skipper

he probably evacuated in time

but he probably lived in his mansion for survival during the disaster since we see a generator in the photo

[snow mauve]

I wonder

If we'll see one of the cultists die

[snow mauve]

True

[shell gull]

If we do I’d imagine it would be the Mayor.

[thorn rover]

Is it possible or maybe confirmed that the 14:14 writing On the neighbor's mailbox can be the date of his wife's death?

[crude thunder]

No

[ripe berry]

There's implications it was Aaron

Since there was a statement that HNHS would show who burned down Ted's House and Aaron is the only character who survives HNHS who at the time would fit with wanting to burn down the house

[spark tulip]

The story expansion is going to be so peak.

[subtle turret]

Quack!

[ripe berry]

and there's a piece of (as far as I can tell) HNHS concept art that looks like a fire is about to start that has a crow looking at Aaron in a picture, further implicating Aaron for causing the fire or at least being intended to

(I mean it looks like a fire is about to start or has already started because why else would there be what looks like smoke everywhere in the background)

Source of the image: #hello-neighbor message
(Also it actually is concept art I scrolled down a bit and Jacky said it's one of the "old images I found around here", dunno why I doubted it being Concept Art)

[crude thunder]

Uh no!

[ripe berry]

Explain.

and this ain't AS Lore talk I'm talking with the HN1-HNHS Era

[crude thunder]

Well you see

I burned the house down

[strong arrow]

lol

[karmic ravine]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3SqN5x1KMmpJjLegShByhlcNxweNXLdm?si=2hfXsXs3OzRsJbQr

does this proof that the crow isnt in the cult

[fierce timber]

mhhh viande

[karmic ravine]

?

[tame bane]

The crow man Just freed the player? We got some theory's to do

[ripe berry]

Guest is the "leader" so-to-speak of the Cult

his goals may not always line up with the Cult's

he has something else in mind for Quentin

Something we would've found out in Patch 9 but it wasn't finished yet so it got delayed to Patch 10

[karmic ravine]

yes

[karmic ravine]

oh alright

[ripe berry]

(and yes "The Guest" is the Crowman's official name)

[karmic ravine]

why couldnt they finish the whole patch 9 update before releasing it

[ripe berry]

deadlines, they wanted the update out by Halloween

[tame bane]

The guest probably watches Quentin from the window and was pretty impressed with Quentin's skills

Idk

[karmic ravine]

oh makes sense

[tame bane]

That's a theory of mine of why he's freeing Quentin

[ripe berry]

You can tell (I won't say how tho since that's a spoiler) that the bit we have isn't finished yet either

[ripe berry]

There's a theory that the Guest is leading Quentin throughout all of HN2

or all of the first part of HN2

[karmic ravine]

Hello neighbor lore goes crazy

[tame bane]

Interesting

[ripe berry]

Since evidence suggests the Guest can control crows

and what shows up above the location you need to go to when you need to go to it

a bunch of Crows that leave the second you finish the section

[karmic ravine]

and when you drop a item in hn2 alpha 1 theres crows surrounding the item to help you find it

[ripe berry]

and also explains who is making it play those CCTV Footages and who keeps dragging Quentin back to his office every night

[crude thunder]

no lol they just worship him

he isnt actually part of it

[ripe berry]

Hell through audio we know the Guest is the one to put Quentin back in the Office after the Barn Tutorial Seqeunce

[tame bane]

I remember hearing that he could do that in alpha 1

[ripe berry]

Then why does he have a costume with a special symbol on it that no other Cult costume we've seen has in Patch 9

Most Cult Depictions we've seen have them with a Golden Apple Coin around their neck

[crude thunder]

we have not seen any cult costumes other than old meshes

wait til patch 9 and then we'll be sure

also he doesnt have this pre-catacombs

the cloak

i mean

til patch 10

lmao

[ripe berry]

but the Guest's Costume has a Eye Symbol

[crude thunder]

okay

they can also like

change the designs

[ripe berry]

and the model in the teaser is the old Guest Model

[crude thunder]

no

it isnt

lol

thats a placeholder model

[ripe berry]

the Cloak was likely made after the new model was made

[tame bane]

The Guest knows what Quentin attentions are for doing all of this

[crude thunder]

the FPs in the layout video are placeholder meshes

[ripe berry]

so it makes sense for the placeholder thing to not depict him in the Cloak

[crude thunder]

no im saying that before the catacombs

he doesnt have the cloak

even ingame

in act 1 he does not ahve the cloak

[ripe berry]

and we only actually SEE the Guest once in Act 1

[crude thunder]

yeah

but he still doesnt have the cloak

[ripe berry]

he can easily have just chose to not wear it then

[crude thunder]

its clearly a plot point thatll happen in the catacombs

cuh

Cuh

oh my GOD!

[ripe berry]

Also teasers for AS Episode 7 depict the Guest with a Cloak

[karmic ravine]

what other HN books do i need to get? i have puzzle master, Bad blood, Walking nightmare, Missing pieces, and grave mistakes

[crude thunder]

yeah a completely different one

[ripe berry]

also there's a reason I said "so-to-speak"

[crude thunder]

• he has a black belt in karate

[ripe berry]

He's the "Leader" of the Cult because he's their god

[crude thunder]

you did not say any such thing

once in this conversation

oh right nvm

anyways then guest turns on them

[ripe berry]

yeah I ain't denying that the Guest and the Cult have different goals

and whatever the Guest's Goals are require Quentin to still be alive

[crude thunder]

no hes just messing with him

hes probably gonna chase him around the catacombs

[ripe berry]

fair

and then when Quentin escapes turns out a storm has hit Raven Brooks

[crude thunder]

Yea

[karmic ravine]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

this song fire

[crude thunder]

i love guest chase 1

[ripe berry]

(a storm that was teased in SN and HE no less)

and I know in Old Lore the Storm hits right before HN2

[crude thunder]

and was meant to be beginning in the bossfight!

[ripe berry]

but they can change the timing of the storm and still have SN and HE having the storm coming be accurate still for new lore

[crude thunder]

i dont think they care about the canonicity of either

[ripe berry]

and during this storm something will happen that causes Ted's House to burn down

[crude thunder]

Id assume a powerline falling on it

[ripe berry]

as shown in one of the images found hidden throughout HN2 Patch 9

[crude thunder]

since thats like the only thing that could start a fire like that

at the top nonetheless

[ripe berry]

linking to HN1 Act 3

[karmic ravine]

was the secret pictures in the hn2 patch 9 of ted's house burning

[ripe berry]

and the fire starting from the Top of the house makes sense since in HN1 Act 3 only the First Floor (barely) remains

[crude thunder]

blehh

[ripe berry]

and no I don't care if the Old Lore games weren't meant to connect to New Lore until AS Episode 12 drops I'm holding out hope that HN1, SN, and HE are canon to AS (not that AS is canon to HN1, SN, and HE Tho)

if they haven't been proven canon to AS by the end of Season 2 THEN I'm giving up hope

[strange lance]

It's as simple as the game versions of those events are not canon to the AS, but the AS's versions of them are.

Example such as HE where in the AS continuity it's a school club while in the og it's a personal club

Or hnvr where in the AS only 4 kids break in and they save nicky while in the game 6 kids break in and don't save nicky but instead aaron does

The AS really is just an AU when you look at it

Just what if scenarios

[ripe berry]

a AU that Alex wants all future HN projects to follow

[strange lance]

Which I believe is a very dumb move

But he can do what he wants idc anymore

If he wants to confuse more people then oh well

[ripe berry]

Just like how at first the Books were a AU but Nikita and Alex decided to canonize them and now they are once again not canon anymore

[strange lance]

He's just making hn look even worse by having 2 conflicting timelines and saying they "connected"

It doesn't take a genius to see how they just don't

[karmic ravine]

is this correct or should i add more

[strange lance]

Yes this is correct 😃

[karmic ravine]

alright

what about this

[strange lance]

Also yes

[ripe berry]

To the original timeline this is correct (not counting books since you seem to have ignored them in the making of this timeline)

[karmic ravine]

okay

[ripe berry]

Yep

[karmic ravine]

yea i only counted the games

not the books

[ripe berry]

tho GN2's Exact timeline position is unknown

[karmic ravine]

should i do the books?

[crude thunder]

policearrive

https://tenor.com/view/no-sad-frustrated-no-way-yell-gif-17334973

[ripe berry]

We know the Book Timeline pretty well

[karmic ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720318918165659779/1175296394324623450/20231117_224755.gif?ex=656ab710&is=65584210&hm=eac61e2dada4f8aba77c286f07dba6b69a46a0e705aca3d5d86b7de300340771&

[ripe berry]

GN1 -> Bad Blood -> Grave Mistakes -> Puzzle Master -> Missing Pieces -> Waking Nightmare -> Buried Secrets -> GN2 -> Reset Day

[crude thunder]

goo goo gaa gaa

[ripe berry]

and most just ignore the Guidebook's existence but it would go shortly after Act 3 if you wanna mention it in a timeline

[karmic ravine]

imma create another one for the books

[ripe berry]

then again it's hard to tell if the Book treats itself as canon

[karmic ravine]

also thought you said GN2 position is unknown in the timeline

[ripe berry]

Yeah, relative to Act 3

We know where it is relative to the other books

but not Act 3

[karmic ravine]

oh

[ripe berry]

the most common order is GN2 -> Act 3/Finale -> HND -> Book 7

but nothing says it can't be Act 3/Finale -> HND -> GN2 -> Book 7

but it's impossible timeline-wise Act 3/Finale or GN2 to go after Book 7

Act 3 is impossible because dates don't line up

Act 3 is 2017, Reset Day/Book 7 is 2021<

and GN2's Ending has to have happened by Reset Day

[shell gull]

That is possible but we have to think logically.

[ripe berry]

yeah it's more likely for GN2 to come before Act 3, but not impossible for it to be after

and that more likely bit is why people put GN2 first usually

Why is there no sign of a flood in Act 3? because Act 3 was before they had the idea of the flood so they didn't bother to model hints to it

how did Nicky's House surive the flood? Idk how is Ted's House still standing in Reset Day with evidence it was never burnt down

if you can get behind Ted's House surviving to Reset Day Nicky's House existing can be explained away

and this also explains why Mr. Peterson himself seemingly is never seen in Act 3

other then in a Easter Egg I can't find any proof that it wasn't removed from the game

and even if you count the Easter Egg Ted being in the City in Act 3 actually acts as evidence TOWARDS it being post-GN2

[strange lance]

I see it this way.

Act 3 is decades after hn2 since Nicky is a adult by then and Ted is nowhere to be seen besides the city.

Gn2 is after hn2, and ted is still somewhat "young" looking. Along with that ted is trying to flood the town with the guest, and it's be weird to try and flood the town for over like 3 decades or more.

It just makes more sense to be before act 3 imo

[ripe berry]

yeah if we ignore the phones they have in GN2 GN2 being sometime maybe a few years after HN2 makes sense

[strange lance]

Also during act 3 it seems very barren so like why would you wanna still the flood town when theres barely any people anymore not to mention the place is run down lmao

[ripe berry]

(Not my image, I don't have the book anymore)

[ripe berry]

yeah

[strange lance]

After hn2/hnvr he lost his son, his last family member. It's why he's so mad at the town in gn2 and wouldn't wait decades, not to mention he references HE which would weird to do if HE wasn't recent.

[ripe berry]

This is literally the only thing preventing GN2 from being just a few months after HN2

I'd go with at most a Year since Tech in HN is weird

[shell gull]

That is true, but remember Nicky’s house probably did get hit by the flood, shown by the run down design, which I doubt 20 years will lead to that much deterioration.

And the Burnt Down house thing was retcon in Old Lore, but based on the HN2 Teasers it seems AS is keeping it.

[ripe berry]

yeah the fact Nicky's House has that much damage to it suggests SOMETHING happened in 20 years

[shell gull]

Yeah, I was thinking this Could’ve been the Hurricane/Storm, but it wouldn’t make sense for Nicky’s Parents to not fix the damage.

[ripe berry]

I think at most a year passes between HN2 and GN2

enough time for them to move out

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

Since I don't think they'd wanna stay in RB after their kid got kidnapped for two months

and actually

[shell gull]

Yeah, especially since he Lost all his Memory of their time in the Town.

[ripe berry]

if you look at how things are in Act 3

it seems they had to leave in a hurry

Pictures and Boxes are still around the house

[shell gull]

Yeah I’d imagine they abandon the House after some more incidents, such as the Flood.

[ripe berry]

Like they were in the middle of packing and then they were told something like a flood was about to happen

they just left whatever they still had in the house there and left town

[shell gull]

Yeah.

Nicky probably had the Best Arc of all of the Characters aside from Quentin in Old Lore, Wanderer, lead himself into the Basement, Lost his Memory, had Trauma, got over the Trauma himself, looked for answers.

[ripe berry]

Yeah

Imma hop off for a bit

brb

[shell gull]

Aight, GTG anyways.

[ripe berry]

back

[silver vine]

HN1 is pretty well explained in AS imo

SN too, kinda

[ripe berry]

ok then what is the explanation

I know HN1 being Therapy

but I don't know anything with SN

[silver vine]

SN is not finished yet

Alex said that SN ends with ep9

[ripe berry]

Oh yeah I remember that

So SN is somehow a mix of memories from different time-periods?

[silver vine]

maybe

[ripe berry]

I know AlexN said the SN Maps aren't canon but Map 4 feels like it'd be from ~Episode 7-8

Map 5 would be from from Episode 7

and Map 1-3 is Episode 6

[safe charm]

Well

The hn1 intro

Sadly wasnt explained

[cold gull]

Probably the intro just shows how Nicky got interested into Ted, like, way before Trinity even moved in

[safe charm]

Yeah

[cold gull]

And later the eps just happen

[ripe berry]

Yeah I go with HNHS -> HN1 Act 1 Intro -> AS

(Not listing HND (Memories) since I know if I do that it's probably gonna lead to a argument about which lore HND is)

and HND is not needed for AS, it just adds sense to why Nicky thinks Aaron is dead and not just in the Basement

He sees Blood on a window at the current end of HND's Memories, and then sees (not long after Peterson's Kids are labelled missing) Ted fight someone and the Ted locks something behind a door

if HND starts adding Book 2 stuff instead of AS Stuff then I'll give up on connecting HND and AS, but for now they work together

[opal jackal]

Michael I hate to tell you this but hello neighbor Diaries is old lore

[snow mauve]

WHO CARES

AT LEAST THE GAME LOOKS BEAUTIFUL

AND GAMEPLAY IS FUN

[steady nest]

Pffff get a load of this guy

[pale urchin]

Grrr old lore old lore SUCKS!!!!!

[devout dock]

Question, for the lore people in here. Does Hello Engineer have any lore implications or is just random car building?

[devout dock]

Interesting, got it. 🤔

Ok got it, thanks for the info @tribal talon

[left dew]

What is As

[thin wadi]

Animated Series

Hello Neighbor: Welcome to Raven Brooks

[quasi yoke]

The lore is sad

Just plain sad

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[snow mauve]

Yes

It doesn't have many (obviously)

The story is mostly about Ted trynna build some portals or whatever just to go back in time and save his past but fails to do so (obviously)

And then the kids decided why not visit the abandoned golden apple amusement park just to get parts to build their own, But of course Ted gets annoyed and wants to murder them by using his machines but again fails

In the ending, the kids accidentally gets transported in sandbox mode as Ted watched it happen.

But the kids were able to escape by building a rocket ship they built

And that's it

[devout dock]

Lore implications of the sewers under the fountain in HN2? I know the sewers are a location in the VR game, anything else?

[snow mauve]

The sewers for HNVR have no connection with hello neighbor 2 whatsoever because both games are NOT in the same timeline but also, the sewers for Hello Neighbor VR only lead to Peterson's house.

While the sewers for hello neighbor 2 just exists because it's for the cultists other hideout

When their original hideout was the museum but they just abandoned it

[snow mauve]

Since it's underground and it's near the Mayor's house (which clearly he is a cultist)

[crude thunder]

Aren't the ones under the fountain, a HNVR reference?

[snow mauve]

I have no idea

If that's intended

[crude thunder]

Well they look rather the same

And its not part of the actual catacombs

[snow mauve]

Obviously

[ripe berry]

I remember someone thinking this concept art for the catacombs had HNVR References in it #teasers message

[quick fulcrum]

Anyone in chat?

[snow mauve]

Sure

[quick fulcrum]

What do you know of the lore so far?

[snow mauve]

Well so far we know that there's a cult thing going on in Hello Neighbor 2

They're the people that ruined mr. Peterson's life

And the reason why he lost everything

Also if you remember this kid

She is the Baker (Gerda)

[crude thunder]

which is such a dumb retcon

[snow mauve]

Hello Mr. Beardless Neighbor

[crude thunder]

are you trying to provoke a reaction from me

[snow mauve]

maybe

[sinful flint]

How does she breath through the mask by the way

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor logic

[steady nest]

Nerd emoji

[crude thunder]

its true though

its one that just doesnt add anything

[steady nest]

No

Its not true

[crude thunder]

It is

[steady nest]

You just dont like it cuz its "no alex new lore bad"

[crude thunder]

i dont mind new lore

but the gerda retcon is just

so weird

and it genuinely does not add anything

to the story

[shell gull]

I don’t think it’s even a Retcon, we didn’t have an identity, in Old Lore the Halloween Kids purpose was to be Symbolism for different aspects.

[crude thunder]

pretty sure they were meant to symbolize aaron, nicky and mya

[shell gull]

And other characters, such as Pipers Mom and Enzo.

[crude thunder]

what

never ever heard that comparison

aaron mya and nicky make the most sense

here comes sh1mp with the worst take ever

no seriously

he actually has the worst takes ever

same guy who thought the sawmill and church were scrapped alpha 2 locations

do NOT believe anything this guy says.

[shell gull]

When did I say that?

Wth are you on?

[shell gull]

Says the person who half of the entire server find as the biggest annoyance of this month.

[crude thunder]

no one says that

only four people

you are not half of the server

[shell gull]

Yeah I really don’t get this.

[shell gull]

“Possibly”

Never said confirmed

[crude thunder]

the entire idea is stupid

[shell gull]

I said it could be Possible.

[crude thunder]

well it isnt

[shell gull]

Shit my bad for coming up with some speculation.

[crude thunder]

speculation that makes no sense

you remind me of matpat

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[crude thunder]

finding connections where there arent any

[shell gull]

Nah you good.

Anyways what I was bout to say since he doesn’t know yet.

We know Alpha 1 and 1.5 was just Symbolism, we know the plot was how Ted got taken and trapped by The Guest after GN2, we see in 1.5 the Halloween Kids also trapped, Guest Kid is seen as Aaron, since in the Beta we see the Costume in the Basement and also other Media, but the other Two would be unknown, BUT, when you realise, who were the only Characters trapped by The Guest? there were 4 People trapped in the Lore, Ted, Aaron, Enzo and Pipers Mom, in Alpha 1.5 there are 4 People trapped, Ted, Halloween Kids which are 2 Boys (Aaron and Enzo) and 1 Girl (Pipers Mom).

This was something that was agreed upon 4 Months ago

[crude thunder]

well no the halloweens kids are representations of mya aaron and nicky.

:3

[ripe berry]

Halloween Kids could have several representations

[crude thunder]

yeah but theyre aaron mya and nicky

[ripe berry]

they COULD represent Aaron Mya and Nicky AND Aaron Pipers Mom and Enzo

[crude thunder]

yeah but theyre aaron mya and nicky

[shell gull]

You do realise they weren’t the only Symbolism right, Symbolism can have multiple, Aaron, Mya and Nicky aren’t the only Symbolism.

[crude thunder]

yeah but theyre aaron mya and nicky

[shell gull]

Yeah no this is going nowhere no matter what.

[crude thunder]

yeah cuz im always right

[shell gull]

Hey @ripe berry you got anything new?

[velvet fossil]

Can we please move on before it turns into something bad?

[ripe berry]

Na, we haven't had any new lore in several weeks

[crude thunder]

its almost like

theyre working on it..

🤯

[safe charm]

They arent the lore is finished

Like planned

Out

[shell gull]

Aight, not trying to lead this in a bad way, but some people just narcissistic.

[ripe berry]

Yeah I know, I was just stating Why I don't have anything new

[crude thunder]

jay literally just said theyre still mapping it out

[shell gull]

Ah.

[crude thunder]

im not narcissistic im just joking

you take stuff too seriously

[blazing latch]

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[shell gull]

Lol.

[ripe berry]

I'm on Jacky's side here, both of you stop talking before this gets any worse

[crude thunder]

i am a clone most accurate to you.

[shell gull]

Ah nah I’m just ignoring him at this point, no point in replying because it’s just gonna go bad.

[velvet fossil]

Ty ❤️

Yeah let's back to lore

[crude thunder]

im just trolling but u take stuff too seriously sh1mp....

anyways

new lore bad old lore good blah blah blah

[shell gull]

I’m not trying to take it serious, it’s just really tedious to talk to someone when it seems more like talking to a wall, no offense that’s just how it feels when talking to you for me rn.

[crude thunder]

reminds me of someone!

old lore so GOOD...

new lore so BAD....

[shell gull]

I don’t think that’s the case.

[crude thunder]

I MISS AARONS JUICIEST MOST EARTH SHATTERING FART!

[ripe berry]

(sh*t I need to come up with a theory to get the chat distracted)

[crude thunder]

yeah jay said theyre still mapping it out

lol

[safe charm]

AS is writen up to ep 17

[shell gull]

Yeah, honestly the Lore seems to be easy to guess what happens, Quentin escapes Catacombs, angers Guest, goes into the Forest, Storm Happens, Town Destroyed.

[ripe berry]

For HN2

not AS

[crude thunder]

i think quentin gets chased by the guest despite just being freed by him

[shell gull]

Yeah fair.

[ripe berry]

Also this is a stretch but Nicky throwing the Crowbar at Ted in AS Ep. 1's Intro could potentially be referencing the HN1 Launch Trailer scene where Nicky does the same thing

[crude thunder]

blehhhhh

[shut hill]

The truest truth ever

[shell gull]

I could see that, especially since the Workout Video is referenced.

[shell gull]

The huef faect.

[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

he hath returned

[safe charm]

Anyways

Soo Many people seem to say that i cant go by the achivement ancient curse but to me

It feels like guest is one in some aspect

[crude thunder]

nuh uh

hes just a weirdo

[ripe berry]

the Achievements seem to be related to what they contain

[safe charm]

But when and how and or if he got summoned or not

Idk

[ripe berry]

Like Family Lost for Nightmare 2

[safe charm]

Wished patch 9 actually was about uncovering the guest secrets

[ripe berry]

so the Ancient Curse Achievement could relate to Nightmare #3 somehow

[crude thunder]

well you see alex loves teasing stuff that isnt in the game yet

[safe charm]

Unless we got some of the pieces in patch 9 and we just havent put it together

But i dont see what that could be

[crude thunder]

no

we got nothing

[shell gull]

The definition of a Teaser:

[crude thunder]

yeah except

it was named halloween update

and it wasnt in the halloween update

sooo

[shell gull]

True true

[safe charm]

Wished the green and orange tapes actually told us something

[crude thunder]

which ones are those again

is that mayor and theodore

[safe charm]

Green is the one with the guest sounds

[shell gull]

I mean to be fair I’d imagine it does, but it’s mostly just for horror and secrets.

[crude thunder]

its literally just guest noises there is nothing to get from that sadly

[safe charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1167959653922119680/4d9f11f2-fc43-4207-86f3-c7333ea7eab6.mov?ex=656bb5b1&is=655940b1&hm=c447fed282c3e727ba8d797a4f8bf90e68ab987b59b252d7bc2c2b33cf81df89&

Ik but here it is

The orange one is litteraly just camera monitor

Sound

[crude thunder]

very nice

[safe charm]

Even worse green tape normally isnt even guest sounds

Its just crow kraas

[crude thunder]

right

[tame bane]

Can anyone tell me if this image is Gerda the baker went she was still young

I didn't want to reply to the person who said this was Gerda baker since I don't want to bother anyone

[manic dirge]

it is gerda when shes young

[tame bane]

Interesting

[shell gull]

In New Lore yeah, but Old Lore no.

[blazing latch]

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[velvet fossil]

I'm sorry guys but it needs to go to #closed-hn-spoilers

[crude thunder]

ight

[velvet fossil]

We need to respect your decision

[crude thunder]

never saw that, apologies lol

[pliant estuary]

huh, but there talking about stuff that's been out for over a year now? unless I missed something?

[pliant estuary]

I like this theory

[velvet fossil]

I was talking about patch 9 ending, I removed the messages

[pliant estuary]

oh, got it

[tribal talon]

Ok so I have a theory about what happened to the kids in SN-Act 2

Basically Nicky already escaped via Aaron and since there was no point of saving anyone anymore they just stayed there and died in the I presume fire that burned down Theo’s house that we see at the start of act 3 since it was all rusty and abandoned

[ripe berry]

actually...

There's books

and a Animated Series, depending on what you wanna count as canon

in both of them the kids are still alive after Act 2

[ripe berry]

Also since I'm making a map of Raven Brooks and don't currently got the books on-hand, was there anything in the books that'd be useful for making a map (or a statement about where a Book-Exclusive Location is at on the Raven Brooks Map)

[manic dirge]

Ms tillmans shop

thats only in the books

[ripe berry]

that was the main location I was thinking of, there's a image of the Guidebook map I can use as a reference for some things relating to those locations but I don't got anything for the Local Grocer

or I just call it the local grocer

[manic dirge]

Oh that Llama farm is only in the books

[ripe berry]

yeah but it's referenced in the Guidebook and wasn't there a scene implying it to not be far from the Golden Apple Amusement Park

[manic dirge]

Yeah there was a scene like that

[ripe berry]

I know Guidebook isn't reliable but it's the only source we have really for a proper Book Map

[manic dirge]

yea

[ripe berry]

This is the Guidebook Map (don't ask why I have a image of the Guidebook Map saved)

[shut hill]

Michael Huff thumb reveal

[ripe berry]

Na this is a image from someone else like a year ago

lemme find where I got it from

Here's where I got that image from #lore-discussion message

[toxic mist]

This it the most accurate map of All Time

[pliant estuary]

oh cool my spoiler tagged message got deleted

I kinda want to know why

considering how I spoiler tagged it...

[shell gull]

Years ago

1 year ago:

[manic dirge]

is there a layout for GAAP from the books?

[blazing latch]

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[ripe berry]

yeah

[ripe berry]

woops

[manic dirge]

Thanks!

[strange lance]

no problem

[thin wadi]

I liked how everything was based around apples

[safe charm]

Mouseflash question

In book 1 why are there handprints

On the basement door

Is it aaron or mr Peterson?

[strange lance]

how was the handprint described

[blazing latch]

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[safe charm]

Cant remember but also what is he constantly doing in the basement

Theres circus music according to nicky

Is he already making it a underground theme park?

[strange lance]

yes

that handprint was probably the black oily sludge that's on ted's gloves/hands

idk why it would be aarons

[safe charm]

Oh yeah