lore-discussion

[reef orbit]

ted is a genious inventor

he's clearly a very skilled individual

but I doubt he just made the guest

[main vale]

tell me smth better then

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-hello-guest-hello-neighbor2-guest-kra-gif-24906500

look at the model

hes like an human

[reef orbit]

ew old model

[main vale]

but also not

[reef orbit]

xd

[main vale]

i like the old model

[reef orbit]

I wanna see someone walk like that

datdoggerboi had a cool theory

hold on

[main vale]

hes like half human half smth

[reef orbit]

#lore-discussion message

here if you wanna read to whole thing

but to summarize it he had a theory that the guest is literally trying to BECOME ted
in the crypt he has a manequin of diane and mya
and if you look at his clothes he looks oddly similar to ted don't you think?
the blue sweater, orange sleeves, rubber gloves

and now in HN2 he's manipulating quentin to make ted look like a bad guys so that quen goes to "save aaron" so that guest can have aaron aswell

and before you say anything I know this doesn't answer what the guest is OR what his motive is but there are no hints to what it could possibly be

[main vale]

damn hes theorie is actually nice

still dosnt tells me who he is tho

[reef orbit]

that's why I shared it with you

yeah I know

but there really isn't anything

he could be summoned by the cult

he could really just be a raven brooks legend who just exists

[main vale]

nah

ted must have found him

bc he traped him

WAIT

[reef orbit]

or the AS is a whole bunch of bull shit

[main vale]

WHAT IF THAT IS WHY HE DIDNT WANTED US TO GET INTO HIS BASEMENT

[main vale]

nah they sayed its gonna tell us whos the guest so it cant be

[reef orbit]

in hn1?

[main vale]

yes

[sinful flint]

In hn1 it's cuz aaron was there

[reef orbit]

well ted trapped aaron in there cuz he didn't wanna lose him

[sinful flint]

But ig guest adds another reason for the neighbor to keep his secreysy

[main vale]

ik

but there has to be an ohter reason

[reef orbit]

so he simply doesn't want nicky to save him because ted doesn't want anything to happen to aaron

[main vale]

i mean if he alr was there

whats up eith those coins tho

and the grave

with*

[reef orbit]

hold on one by one

ted wanted to keep nicky out because he didn't want aaron to escape

but why would he keep the guest in there aswell

wouldn't he be trying to protect aaron from the guest

[sinful flint]

Maybe he ran out of space...

[main vale]

hmm

or...

no

wait

dosnt matter

oh man im hyped for the reveal

btw when does the lore end

i mean the story

do yall think there wil be an hn 3?

[reef orbit]

pff

I hope not

I'm kinda hoping that HN2 and AS season 3 wrap up the story

cuz in patch 9 we got a bunch of collectible pictures and a few out those are ted's house burning down (presumabely)

[main vale]

but i hope for an hn 3

[reef orbit]

no

[main vale]

i love this

[reef orbit]

why

[main vale]

and i would be sad if the story ends

[reef orbit]

as much as I love the HN games HN3 would be too much

it's unnesecary

[main vale]

yk this was my childhood

[reef orbit]

also I'd love to see ted's house burn down

to see who did it

[main vale]

an big part of it

[reef orbit]

mine too

I built my old youtube channel off hn

[main vale]

yeah same

and you are happy if this all ends?

[reef orbit]

yes

well

not if it ends

we need a proper conclusion

to the story

[main vale]

it would be cool if evrything like gets good and the guest is like a myth like the hero of raven brooks that always helps the town and jumps around like spider man yk what i mean

wouldn be an cool ending even tho it looks like hes the villain

[reef orbit]

the guest is deffinitely the villain

[main vale]

ik

well

[reef orbit]

no he's deffinitely the villain

ted is kinda a good guy

anti hero sort of thing

[main vale]

what if he wanna warn quentin and help him get out of there

[reef orbit]

the guest murdering quentin in the forest in patch 9 would like to have a chat

[main vale]

ted does too

i mean he almost killed an cop

[reef orbit]

yeah

[main vale]

and us

[reef orbit]

cuz quen had evidence

[main vale]

and?

[reef orbit]

and ted clearly wants to do everything to keep aaron safe

[main vale]

hmm idk man

its too simple

the guest prob isnt that bad

[reef orbit]

he is though

[main vale]

the stickers here are free?

yay

so

i gotta do smth now

[reef orbit]

nah

stay

[main vale]

lets discuss that later alr?

[reef orbit]

alright

[main vale]

aight see ya later.

[reef orbit]

bye

[main vale]

[dapper ice]

I just thought about the solution since mr Peterson and the guest work together What if Ted made the guest. Like in the animated series it showed the guest was behind that raven door. And literally no person can run that fast in the franchise. Also that shadow creature might have something to do with it

[dapper ice]

Sorry I was gone for a long time I was fishing for a little buy yes prob not In the end if hnvr he helped the kid.

[main vale]

back

[dapper ice]

Yea

I'm confused if the guest is good or bad in the end of hnvr he helped the kid but in hn2 he attacks quin confusing.

[main vale]

question

i were fishing

and i got 110 bucks

what can i do with that

[dapper ice]

Prob get some games maby new cloths some food and like pay tiny build to do stuff

Lol

[main vale]

fr?

how do i use that

[dapper ice]

I was joking but idk you could try asking them or saying "add bla bla bla to this game and i will give you 110 bucks"

Just look for games or on Amazon to find what you want

[main vale]

ok i found it out

the fishing game is an text game

you fish and try to get money

then go to the store and better things

you can get boats to go to the forest or smth like that

and if ur the best player of the week you get on the leaderboard and get an badge

thats an cool game

[reef orbit]

the guest is a villain

I don't understand the hnvr story

apparently guest pulls aaron into the nest

or some shit

[main vale]

i think hnvr dosnt really belongs to the story

its just made for fun

[reef orbit]

no it does

well for old lore

[main vale]

theres no old or new lore

[reef orbit]

there deffinitely is

[main vale]

evrything belongs togehter somehow i believe in it

[reef orbit]

well no

loads of things just can't be explained

and don't fit together

[main vale]

not yet

[reef orbit]

nah there is no not yet

the books are just a seperate story at this point

or you can take games as the main cannon and use books and AS to explain certain things

[main vale]

books?

BOOKS'

BOOOOOKKKSSS?????

[reef orbit]

yes

what about them

[main vale]

sorry

[reef orbit]

are you a book hater?

[main vale]

no

i just didnt know there were books

[reef orbit]

I know they're "retconned pieces of paper" but they belong to the old story

[reef orbit]

really?

[main vale]

and i sayed srry bc the mod just told me to shut up

[reef orbit]

there's 7 books and 2 graphic novels

[main vale]

damn

can i buy them?

[reef orbit]

yes

I'm working on that

I have the nicky trilogy

I need the rest

[main vale]

its just

[reef orbit]

they're really good

[main vale]

there cant be 2 lores

there has to be an sense

[reef orbit]

there kinda are

[main vale]

wait come in an call

[reef orbit]

I can't

[wicked heath]

And yet here we are

Welcome to the first stage of hn grief: Denial

[placid scarab]

i’m pretty sure the guest is the neighbor

because in one of the trailers

it shows the neighbor throwing the guests head into a fire

and there was no blood or anything

so i’m pretty sure the guest is a costume

[teal imp]

Uhh no?

Thats really outdated

Also the trailers tend to be inconsistent with the actual lore

The neighbor being the guest was scrapped really early into development

And that got replaced with the guest possesing the neighbor (this happened in the books and alpha 1.5)

We arent sure if the guest still posseses the neighbor since the books got retconned so we have to wait and see if that plot point comes back

[teal imp]

Pretty sure he was meant to literally kill Aaron in the old lore

In the 2nd graphic novel he makes a girl unable to imagine her dead dog just to mess with her

In that same book he then drowns the neighbor and posseses him (the neighbor had a change of heart and wanted to stop the flood)

In the animated series he curses Trinity

[placid scarab]

🤦

my

bad

[swift dew]

[placid scarab]

and i think threatens to kill her if she loses theo’s coin

[snow mauve]

Nothing

It's useless for now

[main vale]

guys question

so i played hn 2

but i played it when it came out

there are so updates

can anyone tell me what the tapes are

aight

[weak cobalt]

THE LOREEEEE

[main vale]

ok

ok

[main vale]

yo anyone got a lore theme to talk about?

im bored

[sinful flint]

What the guests actual abilities are

Cuz its abilities seem all over the place currently

[strange lance]

Original guest abilities: strength, speed, posession, blob form, messes with lights, can turn into a bird, manipulation, shapeshifting, has his own dimension, big leap, croak that can strike fear in people.

New guest: speed, strength.

[main vale]

well

im asking myself since 3 years

who or what is the guest

[strange lance]

Well those are his abilities for both versions

Now for who they are

Here's the original guest story

For the new guest we know like nothing

But to me it sounds like he's just a evil bird demon

He acts animalistic

But if you like the new one that is completely fine

I think the original is thematically way cooler

[thin wadi]

guest nerf goes crazy

also able to sense where the protagonists are

In sn he can see their footsteps through walls and in HG he always knows where the player is

Actually wait

His hg lore is different from the normal 'old lore' if I'm right

[sinful flint]

i think the best case scenario would be a combination of both

a smart manipulative entity that acts animalistic on the outside is pty cool

[outer sand]

respectfully, all y'all gon look reaaaaall stupid in a few months .. you'll all see....... /lh

[strange lance]

Maybe

Maybe not

They haven't shown much of him

So I just went off what we had

My bad

I do hope all those qualities of his stay the same. But I really doubt it with how much got changed in the new lore

Keeping expectations low as usual

Maybe I'll be surprised

[snow mauve]

The guest

Is a costume

Someone is wearing it

Now you're surprised

[strange lance]

Wow

That is such a amazing plot twist

They should make a game about that

[snow mauve]

Hello gu-

[manic dirge]

why?

[cedar merlin]

Elaborate

[strange lance]

I think they're saying they believe that the guest will have some huge lore drop later on and that us not believing that despite there being no evidence of literally anything means we're stupid, even though it's lighthearted.

going off what he have rn, he just seems like the, "generic evil entity who likes to cause pain for no reason and was summoned via a cult that worships him who he then overthrew" villain trope

[stray vault]

Now there is something really weird in the original Hello Neighbor. You can see in the roller coaster nightmare that the girl gets pushed off of the roof and this is backed up in hello neighbor Hide And Seek and in Hello Neighbor Hide And Seek the house is expanded and is bigger and the girl gets pushed off from the very top of the house but in Act 1 it's just a normal house? And in Act 2 it got bigger but still isn't like the one in Hello Neighbor hide and seek? So I don't know how that would make sense

[onyx egret]

Remember that hn hide & seek is seen through the neighbors children and what we see in-game is probably just a kids imagination, that's why the house seems bigger and different

[stray vault]

Well maybe but it could be something else

[reef orbit]

this is what I'v been asking for all this time

and no one told me anything

[reef orbit]

no what the kids see is entirely imagination isn't that clear?

they always enter their imagination to play a game of hide and seek

the house wwas never really expaned like in act 2 it was always the act 1 house

[reef orbit]

this finally explains hnvr

to me

what

why

[mild saddle]

IVE DISCOVERED HUGE THAT WILL DEEPLY CHANGE THE LORE!!

SO

[reef orbit]

does it have to do with being gay or some shit?

I SAW THAT MESSAGE

YOU CAN'T HIDE

oh screw off

xd

[mild saddle]

nuh uh

[steady nest]

Mfw when the guest is the same in hnvr and hn2 but we only find out now he has ties with the cult:

https://tenor.com/view/suit-slideshow-man-in-suit-sitting-man-wearing-suit-sitting-slideshow-man-wearing-suit-meme-gif-25275395

[strange lance]

That's what I hope happens. But nothing is pointing towards that as of now, and considering they've changed a lot of characters personalities and ways they act, the probably applied to the guest as well.

[steady nest]

Why change the goose

The goose is always goosing

[strange lance]

Reminder that Alex said they changed the guest's lore because it was "too confusing". Why would he say that and then keep it exactly the same lmao

[steady nest]

When did alex said that

[strange lance]

In his guest tweet

[safe charm]

Maybe idk it wasnt good originally the lore for him

Maybe they didnt like it

Also he Said early playtests so he might mean guest lore pre gn2

[strange lance]

Alex is not the one who should've been in charge of the story and I hate how much control he has now

[steady nest]

Story writing team:

[snow mauve]

Guest is now a costume!

Someone is wearing it

[steady nest]

I dont think this means they changed the guest

[strange lance]

Hey fun fact. He also makes up the story. He's said multiple times how he's had stuff changed and come up with stuff

[steady nest]

Story writing team:

[safe charm]

Layout2

[strange lance]

How dense can you be

[steady nest]

Theres a story writing team 🤷‍♂️

[snow mauve]

Fake!!!

[steady nest]

And also a nikita

[strange lance]

Alex: The guest lore is starting to make 0 sense!

Alex: yeah we're keeping the guest lore the same!

Are you dumb

Also Nikita is not in charge of the story anymore

It's just the writers and Alex

[safe charm]

I Think your the dense one if anyone

[steady nest]

Hes the creative director of hn2

[safe charm]

Ngl

[strange lance]

How am I being dense I'm literally telling yall what Alex himself has said 😭

You guys trust him on other stuff but this Noooooo

[safe charm]

He has some control probably but do you really think hes the one making every story decison

[steady nest]

The exact next paragraph:

[reef orbit]

it feels like it

[strange lance]

What is this proving

[ripe berry]

Reminder that the first appearance of Modern Guest lore wasn't until May 4th, 2021 when Reset Day Dropped, some time for Alex to see confusing Guest Lore and change it since HG dates back to like I think February(I remember it was a few months before HG Alpha 1 actually released) 2020 or smth based off the files?

[steady nest]

Guest lore didn't change

Ez

[strange lance]

No it doesn't?

[steady nest]

Ye

[safe charm]

Alex problaby means hello guest- hn2 alpha 1 lore by it made no sense

[steady nest]

It does

[strange lance]

Ok but how lmao

[steady nest]

That fantastic idea hes talking about isn't changing the guest

Naw

Is just

[snow mauve]

The question is how do we know that the guest lore is changed?

[steady nest]

Finding a way to tie him in

[strange lance]

Where does it say the original lore of the guest (which he just said didn't make sense) will be back in the cartoon

[snow mauve]

Like we haven't even seen much so far

[steady nest]

Idk

[safe charm]

Because grrr alex

[snow mauve]

Other than HN2 he's some cultist leader now

But that's it

[safe charm]

Is the devil

[steady nest]

The next paragraph in question:

[strange lance]

You're not answering my question lol

[steady nest]

Read the paragraph 🤷‍♂️

Its not that hard to figure

[strange lance]

I did and all it say is that the cartoon will reveal the guest and have his lore make sense. That does NOT mean it's the same as the original

[safe charm]

Exactly

[strange lance]

Stop pulling stuff outta your butt

[steady nest]

So uhhh

Originally it didn't make sense

If thats what you wanna hear

[steady nest]

Ig my butt is a synonym to alexs twitter

[strange lance]

Alex: retcons the books

Alex: says the original guest lore didn't make sense

Alex: says the cartoon will reveal the guest in a way that makes sense

The guest in hn2 and AS: very different from the original guest as we have seen so far

Yeh guys they're same uh huh

[safe charm]

Okay but gn2 guest made sense didnt it

So its the new guest lore

[strange lance]

What?

[safe charm]

Most likely

[strange lance]

What are you on about

[steady nest]

Guest having 15 seconds of screen time in the AS:

[strange lance]

The 15 seconds showing his note to trinity which starts to define his personality and how he acts:

[steady nest]

He acts manipulative

Isnt that what you were saying

They ruined the guest because hes not manipulative anymore or something

[strange lance]

I love how you guys are just either intentionally ignoring stuff or gaslighting yourseleves into thinking this stuff is all good or some elaborate connection to the old stuff when it's not at all

Alex has said many times how the story from the books was good but was retconned for the new stuff

He literally said that

[steady nest]

Uhhhh

[strange lance]

That stuff is gone

Can you shut up with this paragraph it doesn't prove anything lmao

[steady nest]

It pretty much does yea

[strange lance]

No it doesn't. Not at all

[steady nest]

Nah

[strange lance]

The hell you mean nah

[steady nest]

He said they couldn't adapt the story of the books in the as

But the books are retconned theyre still canon

Alex also said that

[strange lance]

He also said that the story from the books was good, but was retconned for the new stuff

[reef orbit]

that's literally what mouse said

[safe charm]

There arent 2 lores it’s probably not until AS they had a clear vision for the story

[steady nest]

Retconned means it has no relevance, but its still canon like alex said. But ig now we're picking some things and ignore the other things alex said

[safe charm]

They probably had no idea what they were doing before than lol

Just ideas

[strange lance]

But they did. They made 7 books leasing up to hn2. Stop gaslighting yourselves into thinking that they never had anything planned out they literally did

[steady nest]

Books are still canon 🤷‍♂️

[strange lance]

Vlnoth reset day and gn2 said they were leading up to the newest hn game (hn2 and HE)

[strange lance]

They're canon to the original lore. Not the new one

[steady nest]

Theyre canon man

All the way

[safe charm]

Original lore doesn’t exist anymore it’s new lore it’s been revamped it’s still the same lore but revamped

[strange lance]

Except they're not at all

[steady nest]

No new lore or og lore

The books are still canon

Alex

Said that

🤷‍♂️

[ripe berry]

ok then, explain how Books and AS work together

also source?

[strange lance]

This guy has to be trolling

And guestyyy

[safe charm]

Nope

[steady nest]

Different characters but same story

[strange lance]

There is a clear difference between the og lore and the AS

[steady nest]

Pretty much

[ripe berry]

like send a link to where on twitter or discord or wherever he said it

[safe charm]

I’m deadass serious

AS is the defentive version

Of the story

Like it or not

[strange lance]

Except it's not. AS doesn't even connect to hn2

Like at all

[safe charm]

Have patience

Wait until

[reef orbit]

even if alex says it is ain't no way I'm taking it as the definitive story

[ripe berry]

Also let's be honest here, Book 4 is just a misintrpetation of HGA1 and HGP

[safe charm]

It’s finished

[strange lance]

How about you use common sense and see that none of this makes sense

[safe charm]

And than make up your mind

[steady nest]

Its the same with the pilot: it adapted the books to animation, yet details where still different (how the characters acted, how nicky got kidnapped, etc...). That doesn't mean however that one scrapes the other--theyre just 2 ways to tell the same story

[safe charm]

How about you stop being such an a hole

[strange lance]

No

I'm being reasonable

[steady nest]

Its the same with the AS now

[strange lance]

Because I can actually see a piece of shit when I see one

[safe charm]

Did you call Alex or AS a piece of shit?

[strange lance]

And I'm not the one gaslighting myself into thinking the old stuff is still around and fully canon despite Alex himself saying it's not canon

There's no major huge lore connection

It's just a tv show that doesn't know what it wants to be

Same for hn2

It's all over the place

[strange lance]

New lore in general

It's all terribly written

[steady nest]

They simply dont need to fit like 2 pieces of puzzles--they can have different details but still be canon

[strange lance]

Incredibly inconsistent

[weak cobalt]

agreed

[steady nest]

The books were also inconsistent with the games

[strange lance]

And just a worse version of the book lore

[safe charm]

The books weren’t that good written always either

[strange lance]

The books were also made after the first 2 games, when the books were not planned

[steady nest]

Fart jokes:

[safe charm]

Peak

[steady nest]

And

[safe charm]

Why look at a rotten corpse when you can move on

[strange lance]

The books weren't planned when HS ans hn1 were made. When they decided to make books they made changes to make stuff you know actually work out and make sense.

[strange lance]

You're right I should stop caring about hn2 and the AS

[steady nest]

What didn't make sense originally and what needed changes

[safe charm]

Well that’s the alive version

Of the lore

[strange lance]

I don't really care

I really don't

[reef orbit]

I'd rather get stuck with something good then continue with something that's bad

[strange lance]

Just let me and others talk about the original stuff without yall getting in the way

Like seriously screw off you're all so annoying

[safe charm]

Than let people enjoy the new stuff

[strange lance]

I do let people enjoy new stuff. I do not give a shit if you like the AS

[reef orbit]

they should make new lore discussion and old lore discusson

[strange lance]

So leave me and other original lore enjoyers alone

[steady nest]

Naw

[strange lance]

Stop coming in and saying erm no old lore is dead

[steady nest]

Cuz there isnt old lore and new lore

[strange lance]

I do not care

[steady nest]

Theres just lore

[safe charm]

Old lore has been given a new set of paint

The core is still there

[strange lance]

Guestyyy

I do not care

[safe charm]

You do since you keep

Replying

[hazy slate]

erm no old lore is dead

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[steady nest]

Sure kinda

[strange lance]

I care about people trying to force the original lore into new stuff

That's what I care about

And vise versa

[weak cobalt]

nah, he is basically trying to tell you to shut that wonderful mouth of yours

[hazy slate]

After seeing episode 4 I agree

[main vale]

YESSIR

[safe charm]

I won’t

Ever

😃

[strange lance]

You can talk about the new lore you can like it you can LOVE it you can obsess over it. I do not care

Just leave us be

Just please go away and stop being annoying lmao

[safe charm]

Okay here’s my interpretation of everything the new writers wanted to fix the problems with old lore and change things up a little bit sometimes you need to change things up to keep people invested

And bring newcomers in

[hazy slate]

Hey mouse, instead of being an emotion entity that came from Ted, do you think the reason why the guest targets ted is because he built his own luck device?

[steady nest]

So i just thought up of a wonderful solution

[strange lance]

Hmmm

[ripe berry]

Alex who according to him only started the retconning process is because the books "didn't adapt well to animation":

[steady nest]

Get off discord

[strange lance]

Yeah no

[safe charm]

That too

[steady nest]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-slideshow-man-in-suit-sitting-man-wearing-suit-sitting-slideshow-man-wearing-suit-meme-gif-25275395

[main vale]

guys come in the general 1 call lets talk about that

[safe charm]

They couldn’t adapt it completely

[hazy slate]

Should've made new characters, then no retcons.

[safe charm]

So they had to make a few changes

[strange lance]

There are people here who I enjoy talking too, and I like the other hn games

[hazy slate]

or at the very least major retcons

[strange lance]

So no I will not leave discord lmao

[ripe berry]

and then proceeds to recreate Book 3 again

[main vale]

guys

GUYS

come in the general 1 call

[ripe berry]

just worse

[safe charm]

Like I’m tired of people hindering me from using lore from sn hnvr and he to solve stuff from hn2 and AS

I don’t care if they aren’t completely connected

It’s still can give you info to solve stuff

[main vale]

ok then not ig

[ripe berry]

Alex said they have ties so he could be pulling ideas from SN, HNVR, and HE and putting them in AS

[steady nest]

You can still do that (theres just lore)

[ripe berry]

this is the lore discussion channel

unless it's to dicuss lore this ain't the right chat to send that in

(or to show something tied to the lore)

[steady nest]

Alex said the AS ties all the games together

[ripe berry]

all games except HNVR are listed here

[strange lance]

Theres the original lore which is everything but hn2

Then there's the AS lore, which has it's own versions of all those game events but retold as it's own separate thing.

There's also hn2 which is barely connected to anything

[safe charm]

Nope I won’t use

[ripe berry]

(HNHS was meant to be a HN1 DLC so he could group that in)

[safe charm]

That mindset

That’s an stupid mindset tbh

[ripe berry]

and HND was also at one point a Content Expansion to HN1

[steady nest]

Maybe cuz hnvr is still pretty new and at the time people didn't knew much about the game. Hnvr does have ties with the game listed there

[strange lance]

For example.

In the AS SN is real and they actually break in, in the AS HE is just a school club while in the game it is a personal club in a van

It's very obvious

It's not a dumb mindset at all

It's very much true

If you just look

[ripe berry]

so every game but HNVR is listed in that one sentence if you stretch the definition of HN1 to include HNHS and HND

(Since again both HNHS and HND started out as a part of HN1)

[safe charm]

SN is new lore

[ripe berry]

(HNHS was a DLC based off files from HNHS being found in HN1 and some files for HNHS calling it a DLC, and HND started out as a Content Expansion to Mobile HN1 before being expanded into it's own game)

[safe charm]

That’s a fact at this point

[steady nest]

Sn is just lore man

[safe charm]

Well that

[strange lance]

And in the AS devgamm presentation you can you see where they got the same versions of things and adapted them into the AS. AS is an adaptation, which is a basically just a different takes on things if you didn't know.

[ripe berry]

Quentin and Otto being added to SN is our evidence

[strange lance]

That's all the new lore really is and I don't mind it. It's just a "what if" scenario where the same stuff happened, but just different.

[steady nest]

Thats all fun and stuff until mouseflash13 starts saying that adaptation mean scrapping all the story and lore so that alex can make a fanfiction

[ripe berry]

and the tips directly call Otto Otto Canandra, which is a name only used in AS and this game

[strange lance]

I just don't like that it's being treated as the main stuff when it's really just a AU

[snow mauve]

Mr. Otto Mr. Canandra

[strange lance]

I don't really care what you have to say. What I say is what I believe. The same way you believe there is no old or new lore and it's just one

So

Leave me be

You believe what you want to

I'll believe what I want to

👍

[strange lance]

Anyway back to this

So why would the guest target ted because he has his own luck device?

Btw you mean for the AS right

[hazy slate]

no

[strange lance]

I see

Unless the guest like

Wanted luck for himself?

But he's already a entity

[hazy slate]

Because nobody has likely been able to crack it before, and the guest sees Ted as useful

[strange lance]

Why would the guest want it tho

How would that help him

[snow mauve]

D E M O N

[strange lance]

Truue

[strange lance]

A demon needs luck

Even tho he is already a demon

The guest can do all sorts of crap why would be need luck

Dummy

You literally have your own dimension

[hazy slate]

I'm not saying he's AFTER the luck

he's after Ted's mind

because he is smart

[strange lance]

Hmm

Well that depends if the guest gains teds knowlegde when he possess him

[hazy slate]

Another added reason, Ted uses a luck device without being part of the cult, and if the forest protectors were always worshipping the guest that could've also angered it

[strange lance]

This all sounds good, but this honestly just makes more sense if it's what the AS guest is doing tbh than like gn2 guest

Which I'm fine with

Theorizing about the new guest is nice

I want him to be more than just animalistic demon

But yeah in gn2 is kinda just straight up says what the guest wants and confirms the guest came from ted

I'll get the page

[hazy slate]

Are you there?

[strange lance]

Walking da dog rn

[hazy slate]

[ripe berry]

This page?

This is the only page I can see someone interpeting as confirmation the Guest came from Ted

[strange lance]

I can't even read that, but yeah that and also another one

[ripe berry]

So unless there's a page I missed Imma assume that's the page

[strange lance]

These 2

the guest and ted have the same "goals" in mind

because the guest is just a reflection of ted

his "bad side"

and when ted is drowned

it's just him giving in to his own bad thoughts

aka the guest

it's all very metaphorical

[ripe berry]

Just now realized how low quality the image I sent is

[strange lance]

it outright says "you are the raven man" not because ted literally is the guest like in a costume, but because they act exactly the same

[ripe berry]

compared to the one you sent

[strange lance]

because they are the same

[strange lance]

lol

it's very very obvious what it's trying to tell you

this whole time ted has been influenced by some outside force, the guest, but ted eventually realizes that what the guest is telling him, is just himself telling him that

he's listening to his own thoughts and bad ideas

but since the guest is a physical being

he's able to get physical control over ted

and then mental control

his entire bad side took over

aka "the guest". He's this presence that looms in his head and it doesn't leave

and ted has 0 control

he's lost himself

all that remains is a sliver and sanity that remains in his mind

aka what we see in the 1.5 ending

with ted in the attic begging for help as the guest is outside locking him away

and we don't free ted in that ending iether

he's still trapped in the attic

and in reset day ted is still possessed all those years later

[ripe berry]

insert plot of reset day here

[hazy slate]

wait

[strange lance]

I'm still so mad we never got a conclusion to that

I wanted more guest

[hazy slate]

if the guest is just Ted's badside, why does the guest smell like fire in reset day?

[strange lance]

I wanted to know why he did the things he did in that book

[hazy slate]

isn't that a little

[strange lance]

we literally never know

[hazy slate]

y'know

odd?

[strange lance]

it's so sad how we will just never know a bunch of things

idk why he smells like something burning

[ripe berry]

The Weather Station burning down with the Guest inside in the ending of GN2:

[strange lance]

or why he exhales smoke

true guest was in the explosion

I wonder what the guest was using to keep everyone in a timeloop in reset day. mayak was exploded

[ripe berry]

(There's your explanation, it's a remnant left over from when that happened)

[ripe berry]

Seems the building is repaired in Reset Day

I remember a reference to some kind of Weather Station in Book 7

[strange lance]

and also in reset day, I believe the reason the guest stole Enzo and also pipers mom is because he wants them to feel the same things ted felt, (which is also what the guest felt) feelings of sorrow and emptiness.) but he wants them to feel it over, and over and over again, which is why he keeps them all in a loop

to keep them constantly feeling the same things guest/ted did

revenge

the flood didn't work

since mayak exploded

[ripe berry]

"what are you going to do now little rabbit, she's gone" - The Guest, 202X

[strange lance]

so he did the next best thing

make everyone depressed

forever

if he can't feel whole, make everyone else feel empty

[ripe berry]

I'm pretty sure this is the quote the Guest says in the end of the Book

[strange lance]

he does

[hazy slate]

I know we don't have an exact time period between both, but It doesn't feel like it'd just like a week or so

[ripe berry]

(or texts)

[strange lance]

I want a reset day sequel so bad 😭

it's not fair

[hazy slate]

I don't think the guest would smell like that for years

[ripe berry]

The Book itself if you think about it is a Loop

[hazy slate]

if it was normal

[ripe berry]

Reset Day's Ending is also the very first thing you see before even opening the book

[ripe berry]

Manifestations aren't normal my friend

[strange lance]

I don't think a entity is going to abide by the laws of the world

he literally can turn into goo

[ripe berry]

So does everyone else

[strange lance]

heeeey alex, just make one more book pls for the fans thaaanks

[hazy slate]

Yes, But if the guest was using Ted's body in order to physically manifest, I think he'd mostly be normal

[strange lance]

sorry for being mean about the AS 🥺

Ted's poor body man

mostly his legs

[ripe berry]

Guest being able to appear irl in the book before Ted even shows up:

[hazy slate]

oh right

wasn't Ted being possessed before though?

[strange lance]

before what

[ripe berry]

I'll leave MouseFlash to figure out what you mean by that

[hazy slate]

I mean like

before the drowning scene

just not fully

[steady nest]

Nuh uh

[strange lance]

he wasn't possessed before being drowing

he was being influenced

[steady nest]

👁️👄🫵

[strange lance]

uh huh

anyway

before he was possessed he was just influenced, the guest kinda just got into his head

as seen in hnvr

we probably would've gotten to see more in hn2

but you know

and after just ignoring his bad thoughts, the guest took over. Now it all happens so suddenly, but it's because it's metaphorical

the whole drowning scene is just a metaphor

ted has sorrow>bad side manifests>guest has same empty feelings as ted>guest wants to be whole>step 1 is to bring ted down even more>take last family member away, get inside ted's head>ted is now influenced by his own bad thoughts which now physically is around him and is speaking to him way more clearly>regina convinces ted to do the right thing>ted ends up giving in though because the bad side was more powerful, mentally in the sense that it just took over his whole mindset and physically because the guest drowned him and possessed him

best way to explain it all

I personally love this plot

it's make the guest a great villain

to me

and it makes the whole "he takes what you don't deserve" line make sense

because that is exactly what ted is trying to do by flooding the town

taking peoples things away because he doesn't believe the town deserves anything after what he has gone through

[main vale]

Yall are great

👍

[strange lance]

thanks 😁

come on look at him, he's just a little sad guy

who wants to cause mass depression and sorrow because he's experienced the same thing

because ted also did

it does make you feel bad for him a bit

[hazy slate]

I mean, Not really.

He makes fun of a little girl whose dog died

[strange lance]

he's still a villain

i was talking about his more human side

[hazy slate]

yeah

[main vale]

Mouse flash btw let me ask you smth

[strange lance]

because i feel bad for ted, he's gone through so much and nobody seems to care, so by extension I feel bad for the guest because in technicality he experienced the same

of course that doesn not mean you should kill people

but I see where they are coming from

raven brooks citizens are kinda dumb and weird anyway

that gas station lady in gn2 was very odd

[main vale]

So an friend of me that's also in this server told me that you leak some crazy stuff that not one can know yet is that true?

[hazy slate]

Oi, Don't insult my neighbors

I'll have to start a riot

[strange lance]

I haven't leaked anything?

what did they say I leaked?

also for what, hn2?

[main vale]

Season 2 as

[strange lance]

I know nothing about season 2

no one does

well we know some episode plots from alex

but that's it

[main vale]

He sayed you told them that they're going to mayak

[hazy slate]

It's been teased

[strange lance]

oh yeah

ok so Alex ceo decided to spoil most of his show

so we know a lot of episode plots

[main vale]

Oh OK cool

[strange lance]

no problem

[main vale]

Well I have to eag now so see you later

[strange lance]

cya

[main vale]

Acept my friend request your an nice guy

[strange lance]

you can see it in his face

i always thought it looked goofy and it still does

but he's just empty inside

and he's realizing what he's doing

what the guest is doing

The guest is exactly the same, except unlike ted, the guest is more cruel

we see this when he talks to regina

he mocks her and torments her

anyway I'm done :)

that's all the evidence stuff for guest coming from ted

I personally think it's true with everything the book gives us

but if you don't that's fine

hope you enjoyed the read lol

[ripe berry]

I just realized something

If you look at the upper parts of the walls in the Back to School DLC you can see black stains that are likely burn marks

(on the first floor I mean)

looks like the whole School getting burnt thing is a part of the Back to School story and not something the RBB Archives made up for the lols

[strange lance]

That is unfortunately a sludge/water damage decal

It also appears in the basement area

Like the ones with the gears

[ripe berry]

damn it I thought I was onto something there

[strange lance]

Banner website: the school's chemistry lab exploded

The AS: the boiler room exploded

The game: the school kids went missing

Taking the game version out, the banner website just tells a version of events that aren't in the AS or the game 😭

Which is weird, cause the whole flamable thing from the science teacher in the AS made it seem like the chemistry room WOULD explode. But it ends up being the boiler instead?

The boiler which, in the game, is perfectly fine

😃

[shell gull]

I’m pretty sure the same reason of Archives, the Chemistry Room exploded causing the Place to be closed.

[strange lance]

Yeah. But the chemistry room doesn't explode in the AS or the game which was my point

So why does it say that 😭

Did they forget the reason

[shell gull]

A lot of things in Archives are out of date.

[strange lance]

Watch them never update it

I wonder if they forgot it existed

[shell gull]

They wont

Was meant to be something to hype the FG Release, just people didn’t figure out the Code before Launch.

[strange lance]

Didn't we only get the code from youtubers

[shell gull]

Yeah I think so.

[strange lance]

Lol

[shell gull]

It pisses me off knowing the YTbers don’t even know the Lore and make their Cringy Theories based on the Box they got, one YTber said that The Guest was the Taxidermist and like tons of people agreed in the Comments 💀

[ripe berry]

maybe the RBBArchives misinterpeted the Water Damage as Burn Marks and that's how they came up with that idea

[strange lance]

The principals office isn't exploded either

They 100% never planned for the dlc school to be the same as the AS one

The AS school literally used to be red with no clock

They just made it the dlc school for "continuity" yet they're jot connected at all

Man this new stuff had such poor planning

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[glacial whale]

Could be two separate schools

dlc one being abandoned and AS one being used

[strange lance]

except they deliberately changed the AS school from a different school to be the AS one, despite them clearly not being the same schools at all

cause they needed a "connection"

[teal imp]

wait the markers

what are the odds of them being leftovers?

fake Aaron was only removed in patch 9

[reef orbit]

the entire basement feels like a leftover

like they just gave up

[thin wadi]

Why is guest kid there

[teal imp]

beta!!!!

[hazy slate]

the marker in the basement is in a completely different position, and is a 3 marker unlike the ones here

[strange lance]

Why do people keep mentioning the markers

[lapis sonnet]

i have questions

so many

[strange lance]

Also the devs probably forgot that the cops haven't entered the basement yet. Makes no sense that there is a marker there.

Unless you wanna say

[lapis sonnet]

if im not wrong this halloween update isnt the story continuation

because theres like no cutscenes

[strange lance]

Nielsen went in the basement, placed a marker, locked the basement, and then set up every puzzle

[lapis sonnet]

and it doesnt pick up where we left off

[strange lance]

Which is dumb

It's most likely just a leftover they forgot about

[strange lance]

Yeah they didn't finish the whole update

Patch 9 is just a part of it

[lapis sonnet]

omg

time to go inactive for another 5 months until more content releases

bye bye

i also just realized we didnt get guest house like in teaser

[thin wadi]

Thats for the story expansion

Turns out patch 9 was only content expansion

We got a new location and character ig

(Not really a new character)

[hazy slate]

Nielsen wasn't there yet, it was likely leslie

[strange lance]

So Leslie placed a marker in the basement, locked it up, and then set up puzzles around the house?

[opal steeple]

honestly though if there IS a lore reason behind the weird puzzles, why would ANYONE put a key EXACTLY where a toy car could somehow grab it with its nonexistent hands

lock it in the police car or something

[ripe berry]

My thought process for the timeline around the Evidence Marker is this:
Ted was arrested in AS Ep. 6
Cops then investigate the house, placing the evidence marker in the Basement
sometime later Ted breaks out of jail
Ted finds Aaron and grabs him
Ted goes to get his Shovel and Car at his House
Quentin sees Ted in the HN2 Intro
Ted locks up Basement and sets up the puzzles for some reason instead of just grabbing the Newspaper he left in the Basement while waiting for Quentin (might've been doing this to pass the time while waiting for Quentin to get out of the Barn Tutorial because Quentin's Watch suggests Quentin took 3 Hours to beat the Barn Tutorial)
Barn Tutorial Ending where Ted knocks out Quentin and takes his camera with him
Later that Morning the Cops "Go back to the house to find the evidence [of where Ted's gone off to]"
Quentin wakes up
HN2 Day 1

(Also I dunno why the cops took 3 hours to think to check Ted's House)

[manic dirge]

i just dont think hn2 and AS are connected

and is the act 3 house real or a distorted memory in AS

[ripe berry]

I was giving the least amount of time based purely on what HN2 gives us

[ripe berry]

I dunno lol

[snow mauve]

Mmmm Alien girl before removed in patch 9

[shell gull]

It probably still has Lore Implications, but possibly we got a New One, though I doubt this was a Major Lore Change, other than Gerda not adding her Costume in the Museum, or either getting remove by the Cult via the Candles, but Pre Change probably still matters.

[snow mauve]

I'm pretty sure they did this

Cuz they realize

She's the alien kid

Which would make sense

To why they removed her

[shell gull]

True

Though I’d relate this to the same category as Old Tapes

[snow mauve]

I'm mostly glad they finally removed cutout Aaron in patch 9

Like we knew it wasn't important to the lore anymore

[shell gull]

Thank god, didn’t fit the New Lore originally.

[snow mauve]

Since the real Aaron exists, why even bother adding a cutout version of it

[snow mauve]

Now it don't have to confuse people

[shell gull]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Mhm

Anyways

Gtg

[snow mauve]

Bye

[shell gull]

Have some Essays

[snow mauve]

Goodluck with them 👍

[shell gull]

Thanks.

[thin wadi]

alpha 1.5 kids my beloved

[slow cape]

new concept art just dropped

they gonna add it in patch 10

[slow cape]

i suggest to get chatgpt to write your essays

[hazy slate]

what kind of file even is this

[grim tundra]

discord. gg/ 5eDtW9ZY
Add “https://“
And remove the spaces
And then it should be the invite to my HN2 A2 RBLX server.

[slow cape]

Idk

[hazy slate]

No

[shell gull]

Lol, prob would.

[slow cape]

Yeah

Damn

He looks like a Brit

[reef orbit]

bro it's just gameplay

the house has 3 living rooms

[opal steeple]

exactly my thoughts lol

[reef orbit]

it's for gameplay purposes

[opal steeple]

i hate seeing people try to explain the reasoning behind a rock being at (x,y) and how it contributes a huge part to the story like

its gameplay 😭

[reef orbit]

we do not care

[ripe berry]

I'm not saying the House Layout is canon (tho if it is it's because of Ted doing some renovations in AS Ep. 5), just the Puzzles because it's actually possible to get them existing to work in the timeline and allow AS to connect, as I tried to explain above

[safe charm]

Hi

@shell gull

So in ep6 is guest Held in the basement alongside aaron

[shell gull]

Yeah?

[shell gull]

No, just Aaron.

[safe charm]

In the original tapes did guest body

Not start to form until the end

[shell gull]

It was a Ritual, so yeah the Curse was slowly becoming Final.

[safe charm]

Im confused to why they removed them

Why not just add more tapes

[shell gull]

Probably because most of them had barely anything, and also very confusing, to where something else would make more sense, and also for more eerie and cool tapes for people to find, instead of just Humming in One Tape and another to be completely Quiet.

[safe charm]

In The green tape why is guest so angry in your opinion like he basically screams

[shell gull]

Uhh just The Guest, and it’s more like he’s Croaking, which The Guest does.

[safe charm]

You

Hear crows

As well?

[shell gull]

Yeah, he’s in the Forest.

The Electric Sounds are simply just VHS aging, which means it may be an Older Tape, or Purposely Destroyed, meaning the Cult know something valuable about that Tape.

[safe charm]

Its just guest though

[thin wadi]

I like his angry croak but I miss his more bird like clicks from the alphas

If there was more of an in-between I would like it

[shell gull]

Yeah his Clicks made sense, it would’ve been some sort of Defense Mechanism, Birds Chirp Loudly to fend off against animals.

[cedar merlin]

Looked at the files.

It's literally AI crap

[ripe berry]

Yeah Green Taape makes no sense unless there's something specific the Guest is doing in the tape

(or something specific is happening to the Guest)

It's likely it's a recording of when Gerda, Pumpkin Kid, and Guest Kid were lost in the forest as it gives it importance that could give a reason to damage/destroy the tape

[bleak spear]

Random question, how old is enzo during bad blood?

[ripe berry]

let's see, he's around the same age as Nicky, Nicky is 13 in Buried Secrets, which is in 1996, subtract 5 years from there to get around 8 years old for Enzo's age in Bad Blood

or well

that SHOULD be his age in Bad Blood

for some reason the characters are the same age they were in the Nicky Trilogy in the Aaron Trilogy despite it being 4-5 years earlier

[opal steeple]

probably an oversight tbh

[ripe berry]

so let's just go with Enzo is 8 in Bad Blood, the Author just forgot the fact the characters should be younger in the Aaron Trilogy then in the Nicky Trilogy

it's like how the FNaF Silver Eyes Novels say Charlotte was 3 when she was kidnapped in 1982-1983 and yet is 17 in 1995, which is impossible

[bleak spear]

ah alr thanks

[tribal talon]

What happen in patch 9 I seen gameplay but I’m confuse…

[reef orbit]

it's basically a big teaser for patch 10

[reef orbit]

I wouldn't take it too seriously yet
it's kinda like the catacombs under the fountain
just a teaser for the future

[torpid sinew]

i thought it was only 3

[snow mauve]

😶

[sinful flint]

Alex | CEO wisdom goes hard

[strange lance]

Ok then it's before

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[snow mauve]

wise CEO

[ripe berry]

yep we already could put this together but it's nice to have confirmation

All we can say for certain is unless Alex forgot they added Quentin to SN is that by the end of Episode 9 HN2 will have started

[pliant estuary]

so its most likely before duh

[snow mauve]

Duh dumbass

jk

[snow mauve]

Lore retcon

Duh

[misty shale]

so I'm new here, just finished HN2. Boy am I mind frigged

Yeah sorry I'm a rook

I don't want to jump right in buuuuut... WTH happens next?? or is that the million dollar quetion

question*

Yes but years ago

mine kinda broke mid game so Mr.P wasn't following me so i walked thru it

Now i'm itching for more. My work from home gig isn't stimulating enough so i got this game and boy did i finish it quick and want more

I guess i'm more so confused on the meaning but yes. I'll def watch the AS and other games. Not a huge reader but this actually brings me interest so I'll prob tip my toes

[snow mauve]

Um not the books

Cuz they're not really canon anymore

AS is better

🤓

[misty shale]

canon?

[snow mauve]

True

[misty shale]

I can do whatevers best. Did i see a HN3?

also, if this is the wrong chat, I do apologize

[snow mauve]

HN3 doesn't exist

[misty shale]

Oh, I googled it and a steam HN3 popped up. My bad

[snow mauve]

Lmao

Google the source of misinfo

[misty shale]

I guess, idk I'm happy I didn't buy it. Just want to know what's going on now

[snow mauve]

Wdym?

[misty shale]

like the meaning of 2

i'm sorry i don't mean to be silly

[ripe berry]

Yeah but... WHERE WOULD THE RESCUE SQUAD KNOW QUENTIN FROM?

They'd have to be aware of Quentin to be able to imagine him

but why would they know a random Journalist from the Big City

Further-more SN also says Quentin knows MitH

so he has to have moved to RB because MitH is likely MJ

[crude thunder]

"likely"

[snow mauve]

Hushshhhh

[ripe berry]

even if why would Quentin know a random Journalist from a small town near-by unless he's actually in-town working

[crude thunder]

Buddies

[ripe berry]

and also the MitH thing doesn't account for this, this here proves SN in part is after the beginning of HN2

and the Devs said there's a lore reason for Quentin in SN

Ok the Quentin in SN being canon is a mix of two things:
⁠#secret-neighbor message
#secret-neighbor message
The first one is a response to tinyCrow asking if something happened to allow for a 7th kid class, then after the first message tinyCrow hoped they didn't make SN non-canon, which the dev then responded with "everything according to the canon"

[crude thunder]

Except it kinda can't be

Why would the rescue squad go and save nicky AFTER he escaped

[ripe berry]

in AS SN is likely a mix of memories, so they can mix a memory of breaking in to save Nicky with a memory of Quentin

[crude thunder]

Quentin in SN is a mess and I jusy don't see it as canon

[ripe berry]

So you think they lied

[crude thunder]

I just think they're trying to salvage canonicity

It makes no sense but I don't mind it

[ripe berry]

because the context here (and knowing Kid Class #7 is Quentin) says Quentin in SN is canon

So this means somehow Quentin being in SN has to work within the canon

and Alex said SN in AS ends on Episode 9

so HN2 begins by Episode 9

[crude thunder]

I doubt it

[ripe berry]

YOU can doubt it but what they say is fact unless AS proves otherwise at this point

[crude thunder]

AS mid........

[ripe berry]

doesn't matter at this point it's one of the few places we can get lore from

[shut hill]

False

AS peak

[crude thunder]

The lobotomy

[snow mauve]

Yawn

[snow mauve]

Yeah exactly

The only book lore related game we'll get is HND

Which isn't much

But it exists ig for all the Nicky fanboys and Android users

[ripe berry]

"Why would the rescue squad go and save nicky AFTER he escaped" Map 4/"Missing or Wanted":

There's Crime Scene Tape all around the Map and several Wanted Posters for Ted along the fence out of bounds

Ted has clearly fled to the Museum or (in AS Timeline) went to Jail at this point

and yet the kids still break in

(and before you say Map 4 is showing fake stuff how do they recreate the room Nicky finds after going through the Washing Machine in the Basement unless they've actually been down in the Basement)

and it's one of the spots where there's Crime Scene Tape even

[teal imp]

are you forgetting the rocket event ending?

SN is just imagination

the kids arent actually breaking in

[ripe berry]

hence my "(and before you say Map 4 is showing fake stuff how do they recreate the room Nicky finds after going through the Washing Machine in the Basement unless they've actually been down in the Basement)"

[misty shale]

I see I stirred it up

Idk i've been on reddit trying to look and all that bu can't find an agreed upon ending

[ripe berry]

?

[silver vine]

I completely agree with Micheal here

[strange lance]

Well if you say that then you also have to say that the kids actually saw ted get shot in the head, hung, stabbed, and become a ghost

The game isn't literal

It's not real, it just shows things for lore but that doesn't mean any of the kids actually experienced that stuff

They didn't actually start a mayak event that was just for HG

They didn't actually summon lucy