lore-discussion

[teal imp]

theres evidence of nicky knowing Aaron in the treehouse

theres a bosco bay refference

and etc

[ripe berry]

HN1 Act 1 is Daytime in 1997 and Nicky doesn't get past the door in the Basement

[teal imp]

well hn2 is much closer to that then the AS

the AS just has too many contradictions

[ripe berry]

Book 3 is during a storm at like Midnight in 1996 and Nicky does get past that door

[teal imp]

you could chalk that up to be him misremembering it

wait in an sn match hold on

[ripe berry]

AS doesn't contradict HN2

[teal imp]

the AS uses this excuse but like they go overboard

[teal imp]

the dates and everything

[ripe berry]

Nikita said Act 1 is real, lemme get a image of the message

[teal imp]

he said its mostly real

keyword

[teal imp]

mostly

[ripe berry]

"Act 1 is real."

[teal imp]

nvm

[ripe berry]

no Mostly

he just says the word real

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[ripe berry]

so if you're willing to get behind the contradictions between HN1 and Book 3, then you can get behind the contradictions between HN2 and AS

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[thin wadi]

Book 3 Mr Peterson has a full blown circus in his basement

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[teal imp]

the changes in the AS just make everything lamer

like nicky doesnt even get into the basement

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[teal imp]

he has no real motivations to break in

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[ripe berry]

Also may I say the HNHS Description implies HN1 to be right after the events of HNHS

in the Books a entire year passes

[teal imp]

hnhs was the last time everything was consistent

Im not saying the books were perfect

but what the AS does just goes to far to the point its unrecognizeable

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[thin wadi]

I still don't see why they made Nicky not know who Aaron or Mya were

[ripe berry]

To be fair he didn't know in the original HN1/HNHS Story either

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[strange lance]

@thin wadi 😃

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[strange lance]

I am getting all of this info based on what the books say, and what environmental storytelling says

didn't include Reset day since we don't know enough

and unfortunately never will

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[strange lance]

you can go ahead and make fun of me vector for typing all that out

[teal imp]

I genuinely dont understand this change

it just ruins his character

[strange lance]

AS: 4 kids break into act 3, get separated, release the guest, save nicky and escape the house, ted gets arrested.

HNVR: all 6 kids break in the house and one by one get kidnapped and get taken in the alternate dimension of the guest where he then manipulates Aaron into freeing all his friends plus nicky and then chases ted around the nest until he goes inside his mind and then takes Aaron into the void to be alone forever. ted flees to the museum

I don't really see it

not even loosely

[teal imp]

it doesnt line up at all lmao

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[strange lance]

the only thing that ep6 had in common was the kids being separated

for like

[teal imp]

it just doesnt

[strange lance]

a few scenes

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[thin wadi]

Interesting

Though I still don't think this story is perfect

The guets being only connected to ted does not explain anything about the town itself

[strange lance]

wdym?

[thin wadi]

I'm typing

[ripe berry]

Afro 👻 is in-fact typing

[thin wadi]

So in Raven Brooks, there's these wacky storms and there's forest protectirs who basically use luck devices that not only worsen weather but also causes bad things to happen to the town, this all existed before the Peterson's as Ted's parents built mayak only to study the weather. Now for the guest: the guest is basically everything you said above but how does the Guest connect with the weird things that happen in the town? The town already had something weird and off about it that allowed cultists/forest protectors to change luck and make storms worse, it would make more sense that the guest was also a result of that negative energy the luck devices caused, and it planted a seed of negative energy in Ted that fed off of his bad thoughts and grief and thats how it got into Ted in the first places. Ted is not the first person in the world to suffer heavy loses but there had to have been something about Raven Brooks that caused Ted's grief to actually form a demonic creature

Gah I wrote a lot I really hope what I'm saying makes sense

The way my brain is I actually have a harder time explaining my ideas than other people (im not neurotypical) so if I don't make sense clarify with me

[ripe berry]

hello fellow Neurodivergent person

[thin wadi]

sup

[strange lance]

the guest was never shown to actually have a connection to the storms. Like ever. All he ever does it take things, and mess with ted getting what he wants. He's legit never been associated with storms. Not once.

The forest protectors (the rumor) were bird people that well protected the forest and that was kinda it. The forest protectors (the cult) dressed like that to scare people off and perform their rituals that were for the solve purpose of curing people with bad luck.

The Guest has none of these traits and was never associated with bad luck either. He kinda just one day started existing

[ripe berry]

not much, you?

[strange lance]

and I'm sure that mayak's weird magic caused ted to have weird reactions

but the guest is not connected to mayak

at all

in gn2

he makes ted build the weather machine

he can't do anything

and then mayak explodes

and the guest never has anything to do with it

[thin wadi]

Hmm

[strange lance]

the only weather related thing the guest has, is that he like,

well

um

sorry but he just doesn't lmao

[thin wadi]

This is true there is no evidence the guest was ever connected with the weird things that happened in the town but in my eyes my story makes more sense

Imagine if every person in the world that lost their family just had a demon that became real and tormented them

[strange lance]

this kind of stuff probably only happens in raven brooks

it's a weird town

[thin wadi]

Makes more sense to me that it happened to Ted specifically because of the town magic

[thin wadi]

Thats kind of my point

The weird energy in raven brooks allowed this to happen

Maybe I didn't explain it as well as I could have

But I think you get my point now

[strange lance]

just because mayak's power may have like, affected ted like a disease, that doesn't mean the guest literally came from mayak

and again the guest has shown zero of those kinds of traits

all he does it mess with lights, go in his nest, and steal

and then possess one person

being ted

the one he literally has been trying to get to since hnvr

[thin wadi]

Yeah I was not saying that the guest literally came from mayak

[strange lance]

it just feels like a lot of people here like to choose their head canons instead of what is presented. Everything I just presented is info straight from the books and games. GN2 is right there

[thin wadi]

Yeah thats true

I do prefer my head canon

[strange lance]

same with the norman darby quentin stuff

I see a lot of people saying he can't be quentin

but can't never tell me why

[thin wadi]

I'm not saying I don't except what your saying as being true but I just thought my idea would make more sense

[strange lance]

I give them norman's physical appearence which is literally just quentin and they say nuh uh

[thin wadi]

I also might have inconsistencies since I have not read the books in ages and don't remember everything

People say quentin is many things

I've seen theories he is Norman, theories he is Ike, or even MJ which does not make sense at all

[glacial whale]

Norman being Quentin? nuh uh

[strange lance]

this is the scene of Regina telling Ted that he is the raven man. She then tells him what the raven man wants and ted is speechless because what the guest wants is what he wants. They both want to till a empty void

and I think that is enough evidence to say the guest came from ted

The guest influenced him this whole time

but he wasn't listening to the guest

he was listening to himself

he was going through with his own thoughts

[thin wadi]

Yeah I get that

[teal imp]

man

why couldnt the AS have its own characters

like gn2?

the rescue squad have already been everywhere

[thin wadi]

[teal imp]

like 3 games

[thin wadi]

AS in GN2 style would go hard

[teal imp]

they got a trilogy

[manic dirge]

fr

[teal imp]

of game

not even nicky has gotten that much attention

[glacial whale]

They use them everywhere but barely use Delroy or Finch

[strange lance]

nicky's latest game is a mobile cash grab game

[teal imp]

that aint even canon!!

unless the games are their own timeline

[thin wadi]

I honestly don't care about lore consistency any more

I just want a good story within one game

But if it doesn't relate to previous games Idrc

I want gameplay

[glacial whale]

I just really want to see guest in game and weather

[thin wadi]

I still have preferences on which stories/timeliness are better but I won't get disappointed if the games have different ones because there will never be consistency with this series

[manic dirge]

yea its honestly weird

[quick fulcrum]

Guys please explain how does the TV show correlate with hn2 bruh...

[teal imp]

it doesnt

it just doesnt

[manic dirge]

it doesnt

alex is just stupid

[teal imp]

and incompetent

[quick fulcrum]

My brother has been telling me pretty good theory but hn2 is most obviously using book lore elements

[manic dirge]

and his lore is absolutlely shit.

[teal imp]

he made so many dumb and useless changes

[manic dirge]

like how in the hell does hn2 connect with AS?

[quick fulcrum]

Yeah he also likes to think that hn 1 act 1 and 2 are the entire game.

[manic dirge]

actually im gonna ask him that next time he appears on the server

[quick fulcrum]

Yes please ask him how it correlates with the games in anyway possible... the lore is really disappointing

Honestly

I don't get what the devs are trying to do with the series

[thin wadi]

Wait I might be completely wrong but didn't the forest protectors, tinkering with the towns luck, didn't they cause the car crash of Diane or the death of Lucy?

In the books?

[teal imp]

he said it will be explained

(it wont)

[strange lance]

Lucy yes

Diane I don't believe so

You see in the original ted's family deaths were actually all just accidental and more impactful and weren't caused by some cult

[thin wadi]

Ok because if they were I was going to say that, technically, the cult indirectly caused the Guest's existence as if Ted's family hadn't died he never would have formed the guest from his grief

But this isn't true

[tribal talon]

what the hell did mr peterson do to nicky

its weird

[bleak spear]

i think nicky just went insane

it would make sense

[wooden hollow]

I think it was the Guest getting in Nicky’s head

That makes sense with what he says/does

[safe charm]

I think being kidnapped can do that to you

[teal imp]

bro he isnt even there mentally

he had to be tortured

to be like that

[safe charm]

I guess mr Peterson tortured him

In the basement

[teal imp]

thats just dumb

[safe charm]

How

That’s implied in hn1

With his bad state and bruises

[steady nest]

I think it was the guest who traumatised him

[safe charm]

Yeah

[steady nest]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

Broski thinks alex is just there making the hn story

[shell gull]

I mean to be fair he was trapped down there for some time, and also the Dead Crows all over the place, Aaron who’s most likely The Guest also down there.

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[glacial whale]

Vector your back!

[snow mauve]

Murder

[glacial whale]

So the coin in AS trinity gets from the guest I assume. Does this help explain Quentin finding one?

If so is Quentin out of luck now?

[loud adder]

i thinmk the developers are too focused of the lore of their games and telling it through a lot of different books and stuff. They should focus more on creating good games because compare Alpha 1 to full game

for me personally it wasnt necessary to know what was going on in the basement. The mystery from alpha 1 was great

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[shell gull]

Yo Lore Dis, I’m not gonna be able to play Patch 9 on release, and I’m gonna try not to be Spoiled, so I’m gonna try to avoid Lore Discussion, if you wanna talk Lore with me please don’t mention any HN2 stuff but I’m fine with slight references, I don’t know how long it will be till the Update comes to Consoles, if I ever get spoiled too much I will return, but this is farewell for now…👋🫡

[hazy slate]

If I talk here about it I'll make sure it use spoiler tags

[tribal talon]

guys i have a idea

the coins represent remaining lifespan

if you lose a coin

you die

that means that if you get another coin

your lifespan is extended

if each coin represents 4-6 years of life

then if you collect enough you will be immortal

mr peterson is immortal

if he loses a coin

go to the cemetery

dig bag up

and take another

[rigid raven]

Sorry if this has already been asked ... But what is at the end of Ep6 after the credits? What game is that? Did they make a major update to HN2?

[hazy slate]

if they try to make peterson a william afton copy I'm gonna be pissed

[shell gull]

Thanks

[tribal talon]

yes on the 31st its coming out

[rigid raven]

Nice! Thanks

[manic dirge]

happy bday

[viscid portal]

Oh,Thank you

[manic dirge]

np

[velvet fossil]

We have an essential decision to make. Which would you prefer?

1️⃣ - The lore chat will not talk about spoilers for this patch and will use the HN spoiler room. #closed-hn-spoilers
2️⃣ - We close the lore channel to everyone who decides to hide spoilers and allow them to be discussed here.

Please vote ❤️

[cold gull]

Is HNVR canon to AS?

[strange lance]

No it is not

Here's every game that is canon to the AS:

HN2

Here's every game that's part of the original continuity and not canon to the AS:

Hn1, HS, SN, HE, hnvr, HND + all books

[cold gull]

Cool

[bronze oriole]

Do you reckon the guest is the wife’s dead spirit or smth

[hazy slate]

god I hope not

[bronze oriole]

It would make sense tbf tho cuz the guest locked (I think) the neighbour away maybe trying to protect him cuz the neighbour tried to help the wife

[glacial whale]

If that’s the case then the guest is my least favorite. Thing would be better

[snow mauve]

What the hell

No

[keen needle]

I feel like shadow man is disguised as the guest

[tribal talon]

Perhaps but than again we saw the shadow man in episode 6 of (welcome to raven brooks)

[silver vine]

actually, the thing is, it is the case even in old lore

Aaron says that in book 6 ending

he says he has doomed his family and cursed them with forever bad luck, he is the curse of the family

[strange lance]

Yeah he believes that, but he's not really a omen. He's not actually cursed

And then Ted actually thinks he is

Aaron was always in the wrong place at the wrong time he's not cursed or anything lmao

It's all phsychological

The one who's actually cursed is Ted

Ted gaslit Aaron

We see that in the books

And the cult wad not responsible for Mya's death, they didn't mess with luck or anything

Aaron just pushed her out of anger

[silver vine]

they did

they cursed the family with bad luck

they will forever have bad luck

according to Carly

she and Alex told that in the behind the scenes video

[strange lance]

What

Of the AS pilot?

[silver vine]

you dont remember?

yes

the time when they followed book lore

[strange lance]

Dude that was tinyclub exclusive I didn't watch it then lmao

[silver vine]

not my problem

but, Mya and Diane's death was because of their bad luck

they made it clear

[strange lance]

You need to find the difference between them being cursed with bad luck and things just happening, and the cult targetting specific members of ted's family

Also do you just scrounge days old messages to find things people say to debate them

You do that a lot

And it's kind of annoying

[silver vine]

no like

the thing is

you said that the cult is responsible for their deaths in new lore while in old lore they were pure accident

but even in old lore, their deaths was because of the cult cursing them with bad luck

[strange lance]

I said that cause in AS the cult specifically targetted Mya and made her fall off that roof.

In the original yes they were cursed, but her falling was purely accidental. The cult didn't wanna kill her then they already failed at that with the rotten core.

Why intervene again if someone would die on accident anyway?

Which is exactly what happened to Mya

Diane dies = Aaron pushes Mya = Mya dies

which then makes ted lock Aaron

Which leads to Aaron's demise as well

The cult didn't plan all of that, but knew something would happen either way

Since they were cursed

Then Ted was alone

And they didn't even bother with Ted

The Guest had him to himself

After "removing" Aaron

[silver vine]

we actually dont know if they actually specifically targeted

its not confirmed

[strange lance]

Both Ted in the recording and whoever wrote on the newspaper when talking about ted's family "missing" says "they took everything" and "it's their fault"

The cult targetted them

[silver vine]

we got that tape, but even that said that "they are responsible" which could even mean that they are responsible for the cursethey have

[strange lance]

It's so obvious

Ted had been against the cultists the whole time in AS

Makes sense after they got his family killed

And the cult in the AS are ruthless

Killing left and right

[silver vine]

Idk man

I feel like the family is still cursed

[shut hill]

did Quentin always make noises

what

hes like

"ehh huhhh haugh"

[stiff spire]

that's new

[bleak relic]

how do i rotate boards in patch 9

[bronze oriole]

Dose anyone know what this means?

[stiff spire]

they'll be important later on

but they're basically the cult of the town

(forest protectors) but usually referred to as the cult

[thorn rover]

What if the mannequeins (I don't know how to write it right) of Maya and Diane was there for the neighbor? to cheer him up and calm him down, to made him feel loved again

[exotic storm]

Someone know when The patch 9 Will lauch for xbox

[cedar merlin]

Scroll wheel on your mouse

[delicate rapids]

thats what i always thought they were for

[snow mauve]

This painting is the cultist (aka the forest protectors)

The people that ruined Mr. Peterson's life

That made him lose everything and want to kill him

You'll expect to see them in future updates for hello neighbor 2

Plus apparently every hello neighbor 2 character (besides Mr. Peterson) is a cultist

If you look around at some clues in one of the locations like coins, crow related items, and some cultist mask/clothing

[pastel narwhal]

why is there like no general channel

and why do they not release the patches on xbox at the same time as they do on steam, I was really excited for patch 9

[sinful flint]

What about otto

[snow mauve]

I have a suspicion with Otto

I still believe he's also part of the cultist

[snow mauve]

Because they only have 6 people to do the porting

Which makes porting very slow

[pastel narwhal]

oh

they've done this a whole bunch of times, and I've become annoyed because i really wanted to see the updates

[snow mauve]

Literally the same situation with Secret neighbor

Mind as well deal with it

And have patience

Cuz eventually we'll get the update anyway

[pastel narwhal]

yep...

I will keep waiting.

[shell gull]

I’m a Console Player, I’m not that mad as I’m used to this now, but it takes time to Port, and it’s really hard to do and expensive, and also only 6 People in the Porting Team, but expect it soon 🙏.

[pastel narwhal]

yeah, I understand, it must take awhile, its just like when patch 7 released, I was super excited to play it, but then I found out it only released on steam... And not until months after did it release, while the pc players had yet again gotten patch 8 while xbox players were at patch 2

[shell gull]

Yeah, but we just have to be patient and wait.

[pastel narwhal]

I know.. I know.. Though I have almost lost my patience already with how many times they've done this.

[shell gull]

Yeah it sucks, but you can’t blame them for not being able to get these through soon with their limits.

[pastel narwhal]

yeah I guess your right

[bronze oriole]

Yeah I saw outfits in mayors house

[fossil anchor]

can someone describe the story of the update + the new ending?

[velvet fossil]

#closed-hn-spoilers please keep spoilers here. Thanks for understanding

[shell gull]

#closed-hn-spoilers message

[glacial whale]

Alright guys so here’s the best theory is that obviously in hn1 we know Nicky is dyslexic also mya in hide and seek. In hn2 Quentin isn’t but words are mixed up because he has brain damage. The proof is that in hn2 Quentin constantly gets knocked out or just falls over so the only logical explanation is that his brain is destroyed. Nicky has also a destroyed brain because in AS ep 6 maritza says so. Here’s more proof mya has brain damage because she fell off the roof. You could bring up the rescue squad but they exist in a snow globe because of a trailer so that’s cannon. I think we can all agree that this isn’t a theory but true factual cannon.

[manic dirge]

no the letters are just mixed up in the games

its wayron croobian or something

[ripe berry]

"but they exist in a snow globe because of a trailer" yeah, because Secret Neighbor is imagination + Trauma combined

they don't actually exist inside a snow globe

[bronze oriole]

My theory: the guest (crow) is the leader of a cult and the people in the hello neighbour 2 games are all cultist to judging by the stuff in their house. They are all trying to get mr Peterson and his son they already have killed his wife (making the car crash) and I think when we get into the museum hello neighbour isn’t trying to get us he is trying to protect his son hende why he locked him away

[tribal talon]

hes just like me

[teal imp]

thats not the actual reason...

IIRC its a made up language that Nikita made when he was a kid or smth?

[sinful flint]

So true!!!

[shell gull]

Your very very close, but not fully.

[cerulean onyx]

So i've been investigating the reanimated intro in further detail and thinking about the Forest and everything, I think I've come up with a very solid theory about what's going on (this is gonna be a long one so have fun reading)

So I like legit just solved HN2 right now after investigating the new Intro animations and remembering arty's theory about the Guest leading Quentin

In the reanimated intro, every time Aaron tries to run off, his expression changes from scared/confused to full on angry, he suddenly goes from following Ted willingly, to straight up BITING him to try and escape, once Ted actually pulls him back so hard he falls onto the ground scared, Ted pauses and looks at Aaron concerned to make sure he isn't caught.
After noticing these neat little details, its very clear now that Aaron isnt the one trying to escape. THE GUEST is.
He takes over Aaron to try and take away what Theodore doesn't deserve, to take away the only thing he has left, Aaron, by trying to possess him and run off. After the Intro he realizes that possession isn't going to work. He then remembers that Quentin saw all of his attempts, making Quentin think that Theodore is a bad guy that kidnapped a child, and said child now needs to be freed.

Act 1 (The Museum) then starts, Guest manipulating and directing Quentin to do his bidding, wheter that is making the monitors show what houses he wants Quentin to go to, marking them with a multitude of crows, straight up throwing thousands of paper planes each night to lead him to the locations, after 4 nights he gets exactly what he wants.
Quentin "saves" Aaron, with Theodore stuck under the crow statue unable to lift it off. After this, Quentin is no longer needed, The Cult comes in to dispose of him and the Guest can now take away Aaron from Theodore without any issue.

WARNING Im gonna delve into Patch 9 spoilers here so SPOILER WARNING READ CAREFULLY
||Now about The Catacombs(which I believe will come before The Forest in later updates) and Act 2 (The Forest) Ending, in the Forest's ending, we find mannequins of Diane and Mya, ones that the Guest seemingly tries to keep secret DESPERATELY. Now think about it, in Act 1 he tries to take away Aaron, in Act 2 he has mannequins of Diane and Mya, it's almost as if he's trying to... BECOME Theodore, taking away everything he has, to REPLACE him.||
||And it all ties together really, at one point they said that Graphic Novel 2 was going to tie into HN2, in Graphic Novel 2 the Guest literally possesses Theodore and BECOMES him.||
||With this in mind, I believe at one point in HN2 after the Act 1 ending he realizes that having Aaron and mannequins made to mimic Diane and Mya still makes him feel incomplete. He realizes that to be complete he has to become one with Theodore.||
||So, he goes to The Catacombs and releases Quentin as he is now once more of use, the Guest intends to use him to find Theodore, Quentin however has different plans.||
||After escaping the Catacombs, I think NOW is where The Forest is meant to go in the story. Quentin is free, but now goes into the Forest, going against the Guest's desires, at the end, Quentin finds the mannequins and passes out and the game "timeloops".||

||Before I go further I need to probably explain "how do you know The Catacombs are before The Forest?", "The Forest is a side quest". Well, don't you think it's kinda weird how this Forest seems rather... odd? I mean, internally everything correlating to it is called "Act 2", most of the blueprints are in a Debug folder, all the crates in the map use the wrong sounds and don't even have holding animations, hell, the ENDING animation for the mannequins is unfinished in the last part, I believe this is all because The Forest, is the most finished part of the story expansion that they decided to release.||
||I believe that they WANTED patch 9 to be the story expansion, but sadly they couldn't finish it in time, but they couldn't just not release it because they hyped it up. ||||So what did they do? They released the most finished part of it: The Forest.This would explain the Forest endings "timeloop" aswell: after the "ending" the game wants to send you to a part of the story expansion that doesn't exist yet, that fails so, it sends you back to the intro and restarts the story without resetting any of your progress, all the puzzles still being solved if you've done them.||
||Only time will tell if I'm right, but as far as I've thought about it, once the FULL story expansion is out the progression should go something like Act 1: "The Museum" > Catacombs (Layout V2 likely being the "Act 2 intro") > The Forest > Act 3, which i will now talk about.||

||Act 3: The Crowman Shelter. We've seen the teaser, "halloween update scene 003". Not a placeholder for the church, none of that. I believe THIS is where Quentin is taken after passing out in the Act 2 ending, him passing out was probably caused by the Guest. I mean it makes sense right? "it gets into your head" afterall. After Quentin directly goes against what the Guest wanted in Act 2 and trying to find out his secrets, the Guest makes Quentin pass out and drags him to the Shelter, to get rid of him.||

[bleak spear]

this is peak (i’ve already read all of it)

i genuinely hope this is canon

[teal imp]

I dont think the crowman shelter is its own act

and I deffinetly feels there is something after the shelter

[cerulean onyx]

||Yeah only reason ive stated Shelter as "Act 3" is because the Forest's ending is titled "Act 2 Ending" in files and i cant see it fitting between the Catacombs and Forest||

||also theres definitely a lot more in Act 3 but Shelter is like the only confirmed thing I know||

[teal imp]

act 2 ending on a tutorial section is just weird

[cerulean onyx]

||the MiTH photos in the forest could tie into Act 3 possibly||

[bleak spear]

oh wiat that should probably be in hn spoilers

[cerulean onyx]

oh wait are spoilers not allowed here?

[teal imp]

oh yeah

[cerulean onyx]

oop hold on i gotta edit the messages-

[bleak spear]

Yeah spoilers arent allowed here

[cerulean onyx]

i put a spoiler warning and spoilered all the text so should be fine now hopefully

[plush shard]

So have I, I hope this is right too!

[strange lance]

as cool as all of this sounds I don't think the writers are that good.

it all sounds very convoluted and interconnected which hn2 and the AS

really aren't

but it's a very good theory

love where you were going

[plush shard]

How would you know that?

[strange lance]

Wdym

[plush shard]

They crafted something good with the AS and if they're pulling from the books as well...

[strange lance]

Not everyone thinks the same man. I personally don't think they've been telling a consistent story. Not yet at least

If they improve later on then good for them

[hazy slate]

Not really

how can I care about Nicky if he acts more insane then Ted?

[plush shard]

We think they're pulling from The Raven Brooks Disaster.

[hazy slate]

I'm talking about pre episode 6 nicky

[bleak spear]

because he went insane

[plush shard]

It's the Guest "playing" with Nicky.

[bleak spear]

ohh

[hazy slate]

not crazy nicky

[strange lance]

Btw i was talking about inconsistencies and not being connected. Not like the actual story being told

[hazy slate]

actually crazy nicky is cool

[bleak spear]

well he really thinks ted killed his kids

[hazy slate]

but "sane" Nicky is just bad

[hazy slate]

where is that good reason from the books?

Nicky thinks Aaron is in danger

[bleak spear]

yeah

[hazy slate]

and does all he can without breaking in

[bleak spear]

but i mean

[hazy slate]

AS Nicky is just like

BREAK IN BREAK IN

WOOOOOO

[bleak spear]

its justified

he thinks he killed his children]

and he's willing to risk his life to get proof

[hazy slate]

Not really, Nicky doesn't know anything about Peterson

or Aaron

or Mya

or Diane

[bleak spear]

yeah but look what i said after

[hazy slate]

Or that one random tree

[strange lance]

if they had actually showed Nicky's progression of seeing and hearing things of ted leading him to thinking ted killed his kids, then I would possibly understand Nicky

but they don't show that

so he just looks crazy

[bleak spear]

maybe they'll show it in s2

[hazy slate]

like

Nicky in the books

had actual reason

He met Ted

he knows how extreme he can get

I feel like AS Nicky just does it for the adrenaline and makes up an excuse that Ted is a killer so his conscience will shut up

[hazy slate]

And even when Aaron goes missing

He never breaks in until buried secrets

actually nevermind

memory is serving me wrong

he does break in to get the address book

[strange lance]

yeah but he does it with friends and isn't a idiot like he is in ep4

[bleak spear]

well maybe he did meet him before in as
like it wouldnt make sense but its possible

[hazy slate]

hell, even when he DID break in alone

he had a reason

he was angry

he felt betrayed

his friends left him

[strange lance]

nicky in episode 4 breaks in like it's just another break in

there's no reason

[hazy slate]

and he felt like Aaron's only hope

[strange lance]

Aaron was so creepy in buried secrets

in the basement

the way he just stared at Nicky

[hazy slate]

"I warned you Nicky.."

"I told you not to come back."

[strange lance]

at least he was nice enough to free him in hnvr

before you know

never being seen again

[outer sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168386478527746068/1169813254210596925/2023-11-03_02-39-51.mp4?ex=6556c47d&is=65444f7d&hm=856d654bc02c0f8b6a00ecd8472138e82cbd21bae541c0b0df87d521caf96285&

@cerulean onyx made this

save this for later y'all

we'll be right...

[strange lance]

I still think the "time loop" is just a bug cause it's unfinished.

[cerulean onyx]

wrong name smh

[strange lance]

if it was a timeloop

it was not presented well

[cerulean onyx]

Yeah I legit do believe that The Forest is a cutout bit of Act 2 which is why the Ending just does that in such a weird way

its definitely not a timeloop

[strange lance]

I wonder if patch 10 will be this year or not

it took 5 months just for patch 9 which is not that big

and there's 2 months till 2024

[plush shard]

You guys had better not forget this!

I think we've only gone and solved it.

[outer sand]

Remember that Patch 9 is likely just a small chunk of a much larger thing lol
Though it does seem they've made a genuine amount of headway into the rest of the game, so I don't think it'll be that long into 2024

[cerulean onyx]

Im not going to go around acting like its gonna happen but if it does thats gonna be kinda funny
only time will tell really

cant wait for Patch 10 to come out and completely deconfirm my entire schizo rant

[strange lance]

lots of heart emojis

so much love in this server

[plush shard]

I do that a lot, sorry.

[strange lance]

ok so why did they make a new map and then not put it in the game

[cerulean onyx]

they felt a bit silly

[strange lance]

actually no, this is just that old map but updated with the new areas

the banner is the old design

with the old satelite placement

[cerulean onyx]

yeah its also not the top-down view the in-game map has so thats probably why

[strange lance]

also the church is not behind otto's house it's like vertical to the saw mill

lovely map

[hazy slate]

The hello neighbor chat:

[cerulean onyx]

they didnt want it being TOO empty now..

[strange lance]

would've been nice if they had added the dlc areas to the map

[hazy slate]

to be one hundred percent fair, the tunnel could be turned in a direction to where it's like that

we don't know how the inside of the tunnel is

(in the load zone, at least)

[strange lance]

unfortunately

[hazy slate]

I have a brief idea of where the school is

[strange lance]

must find out what the command is to load in all levels

[hazy slate]

however, I'm not sure 100%,

I'll have to look at the school's lake

[hazy slate]

ah the city.

[teal imp]

what

[teal imp]

but that would all be too late

like I didnt give a shit about nicky in season 1

he was bassically asking for it

if they give him a backstory after all that then its too late

[reef orbit]

wait hold on

we kinda agreed that AS ep 6 does NOT line up with HN2 right?

or has that been resolved here?

cuz now that I think about it it would make sense why quen doesn't have nicky as a missing child

[fossil anchor]

What will be the purpose of the guest house?

[reef orbit]

yeah this is exactly what I said about patch 9 originaly being the story expansion

as always everyone ignored me

[reef orbit]

to finish this ted most likely escapes prison to get back aaron but at that time nicky is already safe somewhere with the other kids and that's why quen doesn't have him in his journal

[fossil anchor]

why does the guest attack in the forest?

[reef orbit]

to be explained in patch 10 most likely

since patch 9 yet again doesn't have a full story

it's all gonna be connected in the next one

[fossil anchor]

patch 10 in december 6.?

[reef orbit]

idk

we don't know how much they have complete

I personaly thought that there would be some transition part where quen finds out the guests intentions

or something and that's why he's going to investigate him possibly

and his little forest area

[fossil anchor]

it's interesting that the layout video was the very first teaser and it wasn't released

[reef orbit]

as we've said

patch 9 was deffinitely meant to be the story expansion

but they HAD to have it for halloween

so they couldn't finish it in time

so it's kinda like patch 6

with the fountain and the tiny catacoms room

a teaser for the future

all of these pieces are gonna be connected

and it's gonna be the most epic update in history

[fossil anchor]

yes, I hope there will be many teasers until patch 10

[reef orbit]

you know I'll say it

we don't need THAT many

cuz we already have so many

we literally have gameplay sections that act as teasers

an entire cutscene

and more guest mechanics that didn't make it in this patch

[fossil anchor]

but if someone other than the guest's house is included in act 3, I would like to see it

[reef orbit]

it's just a theory it's not gonna be like that probably

[reef orbit]

also did you meantion the destroyed town?

Idk if I missed it but I don't want to read allat again

[cerulean onyx]

i did not as i didnt really see a way to fit it in but i do believe that ||the photos we find in the Forest might tie into Act 3||

but thats just like heavy speculation grounds since we know almost nothing about that

[reef orbit]

|| well I was thinking that the destroyed town could be because of the storm and apparently that was meant to happen during the bossfight ||

[reef orbit]

yeah the guest even has a very similar sweater, the orange sleeves AND the gloves || almost like he's trying to be him as you said||

[cerulean onyx]

thats a actually a pretty decent point, them changing his sleeves from red to orange to bear more of a resemblance to Theodore's yellow sleeves is in realm of possibility

[reef orbit]

though it could also be that back then Ted was meant to BE the guest and so they chose a very similar design so ppl could make the connection
and then never bothered to change the fundemental design in hn2

unless I'm wrong and that was never the intention lol

[cerulean onyx]

still, his clothings colors are basically a more darker and desaturated version of Ted's

it is possible they changed his sleeves to follow the idea even more

[reef orbit]

yeah

I wanna know WHY the guest does what he does

[cerulean onyx]

thats something we'll probably find out either in future HN2 updates or the AS
theres enough to go off of to get an idea of WHAT he's doing, we still have yet to get enough for WHY, unfortunately

[reef orbit]

I haven't read the books so I have 0 idea or clues as to why he's a villain

[reef orbit]

yeah exactly

[cerulean onyx]

as far as i know the books didnt really explain much about him either

[reef orbit]

the motive is missing

fr xd

[cerulean onyx]

ive never read them but only heard of what happens in them tho so i might be wrong

[reef orbit]

oh

well that makes the 2 of us

[glacial whale]

Joke

[thin wadi]

Hmm

I dusagrew

[strange lance]

Yeah that is not the guest's goal

[thin wadi]

Disagree

First off hn2 is not applicable to book lore

I still disagree

[strange lance]

The Guest's goal was never to be with the cult or whatever in the original lore. His goal was Ted's goal. They are the same. They both longed to fill the empty void inside

That is explained in gn2

The guest goes after ted to be whole again

Then why are you trying to connect it to the new lore lmao

[thin wadi]

(Side note: Typing whilst standing up on the bus is hard)

[strange lance]

(It does not) the guest in gn2 is part of ted longing to be with ted and wanting what ted wants.

The guest in hn2 acts like a rabid animal and is plain evil with no motive as far as we know

You explained a made up motive

Not what is presented

What is presented is just a evil creature

Using the non canon books as evidence for a made up motive that doesn't relate back to the book at all

The guest oweing the cult (literally no evidence), being summonded (he's already in town, he couldn't have possibly been summonded if he came from ted in the new lore) guest's one goal being destroy ted's life (this is just false, that was never his goal)

Gn2 was purely for guest backstory and chsracter development.

We learned he came from ted, and since he is part of ted, he has the same desires as ted. Regina explains this to ted while in mayak

Ted isn't being manipulated by anyone elses ideas. He's not listening to some other monster. The only thing he is listening to is himself

It's such a good story

Ok if it's infered do not claim it as evidence if it's just infered

That's not evidence

That is a guess

[shut hill]

here

[strange lance]

You presented it as a fact in your theory

And also put misinfo such as the guest's goal

I'd fix it up

[thin wadi]

#lore-discussion message

[strange lance]

It's not my theory, and I'm not the one who's trying to connect 2 different continuties

You know why?

Cause it doesn't work

There are contradictions

Because omg

It's 2 different stories

Stop trying to connect things not meant to connect

It doesn't work ever

The guest's goal in gn2 is not the same as his goal in AS

Along with many other things

If you pay attention to these details you see how different they are

It's called reading comprehension

I know yall WANT them to connect

But it just can't

What is what coming from

Ok so you're just picking and choosing to make your narrative work

Yeah so i'll take guest coming from ted from the original but WON'T take the guest's goal from the original

That's not how it works bud

Nothing about the AS or hn2 suggests guest still comes from ted

If anything it only suggests he is summoned

Ok so if nothing contradicts it, but also literally nothing proves it. You cannot use it for a theory

You NEED some sort of proof first

Yeah was

Until it's hinted at in AS

Then you can use it

You're not "combining" the 2 you're just picking things you want to be true from the original to make it fit with the new onw

That is not how this works

That is bad storytelling

[thin wadi]

Its not that deep

[teal imp]

I just view the games, books and the AS as their own timelines

the AS doesnt connect to the games at all

and hn2 could loosely work with the rest of the games but theres some issues

[strange lance]

First of all you're taking lore from a book series non canon to the new lore make it connect to the AS/hn2, which are new lore media, and you're also picking and choosing only certain plot points to fit with the AS.

That's not theorizing

That is making a head canon

[teal imp]

as seen in ep 6 the AS doesnt really connect to hn2

[strange lance]

You need to accept that the new lore and old lore do not mix

It doesn't work

[thin wadi]

I mean if you guys are getting frustrated with each other over disagreement on lore than just walk away. People will always have different theories, like trying to convince each other what lore makes more sense is perfectly fine just try to cool down a bit

[teal imp]

hn2 mixes stuff from both books and the AS putting it in a messy spot

theres book elements and theres stuff from the AS

I just see the games as their own thing at this point

[safe charm]

Let him if he wants too

Why do you care?

[strange lance]

I'm not trying to convine anyone to change their theories. But when you're blatantly just making stuff up or using theories as evidence for another theory, I'm gonna say something

[teal imp]

I still dont get what alex was talking about when he said ep 6 ties into hn2

[thin wadi]

There's is no problem with that at all, I just notice often times it turns into a heated discussion when it doesn't need to be

[teal imp]

he says hnvr ties into ep 6

it just doesnt

if this what "connecting" means to alex then the rest of the AS probably wont connect at all either

[thin wadi]

Yes it does! The title of ep 6 is search and rescue just like the game duh!!!

[teal imp]

search and rescue actually has delroy and finch be part of the group

I prefer the hnvr version of those events

and it ties into hn1

the way I see ep 6 is an alternate take on the events in hnvr

[thin wadi]

Alex has tried making the AS tie into both hnvr and hn2 and it doesn't work

[strange lance]

Everything in the AS is just variations of existing events

[thin wadi]

Just choose 1

[teal imp]

the AS overall would just work better if it embraced being a seperate timeline

[strange lance]

Idk why he calls it definitive 😭

It's so inconsistent with the media it "directly connects to"

[teal imp]

the AS by no means is the definitive version

the implacations of it being that make the games be "AS tie in games"

[thin wadi]

I just wish they didn't try bending the games to fit with the AS story

Otherwise I wouldn't care

[teal imp]

me too

the fnaf movie did its own thing and it worked out great

why cant the AS do the same?

alex even said they AS will form the main pipeline for all future projects...

despite a lot of the community disliking it

[thin wadi]

If they decided to ret con the lore at least make a even better and more fleshed out story, but the new lore does the opposite it makes a boring story with tons of plot holes

[teal imp]

the changes they made to nicky just suck

they made him overall a less interesting character

[strange lance]

Watch the AS also retcon hn2 fg

[teal imp]

hell a lot of the characters became unlikeable after the changes

[strange lance]

Which is kinda already has

[teal imp]

ep 6 already did

[strange lance]

Can we all just unanimously agree the AS is not canon to anything

It so obviously is

[quaint vault]

Can someone explain to me why HN2 Patch 9 didn't continue where HN2 left off?

[safe charm]

I will

https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1047327829790048256

In here

[quaint vault]

I dont have access

[safe charm]

Remove your

Non spoiler role

[quaint vault]

Ok just a sec

[ripe berry]

if you can get behind lore differences between Book 1/3 and HNHS/HN1 Act 1 (Act 1 was stated to be real by Nikita himself so no excuses there) then you can get behind lore differences between AS and HN2 and allow them to be canon to each other, also there's a Police Evidence Marker in HN2 in the Basement that's not in the same spot as in the HN2 Beta nor does it have the same number implying the cops were there before Ted in the HN2 Intro implying Ted to have escaped Police Custody and went back to his house, and Ted in Police Custody is shown in AS Ep. 6 which is before HN2 (Alex said Ep. 7 is before HN2 and I don't see why Ep. 7 would be before Ep. 6) indicating them being in the same timeline, I'm ok with you people saying nothing else is canon to AS but HN2 clearly was intended to be connected to AS

[hazy slate]

One small problem

act 3

[ripe berry]

(Wait why the heck am I arguing this you and Twisted Egg are the only two people who have denied HN2 and AS being in the same timeline other then Crackpot Theories)

[manic dirge]

AS couldve have been a distorted memory

[ripe berry]

We have 1-2 episodes before HN2 Starts in AS for it to be taken down

[hazy slate]

oh

[ripe berry]

Episode 7 is before HN2

[hazy slate]

I thought it took place after episode 6

my bad

[ripe berry]

and Quentin being in SN requires HN2 to start by Episode 9 since that's when SN ends in AS

[ripe berry]

the only proper "lore difference" is that Aaron and Nicky don't SEEM to know each other in AS but they do SEEM to know each other in HN2

both things are only implied, they could easily find a way to write off one of those things

[ripe berry]

Also possible

Either thing allows for time for the Act 3 House to not be there by HN2

and again ya'll can get behind changes to the HNHS/HN1 Lore by the Books just fine

and yet when HN2 and AS SEEM to be inconsistent (when I just proved if you pay attention to the tiny details you can see they aren't inconsistent) you immediately say they're different timelines

[strange lance]

First of all there are way more people who don't like the AS and don't believe they are connected. Also the inconsistencies between the 2 are very obvious. Hn2 and AS are being made right alongside each other yet they are incredibly different

I'm not gonna argue with you either

It's really not worth my time

[ripe berry]

Unless you come up with a reason the Evidence Marker would not be removed when they knew it was there, moved it, and updated it, that isn't to allow a link to AS then I don't see how these two things aren't connected

[strange lance]

What?

[safe charm]

Well more like before now i Think its equal tbh a lot like AS

Now

[strange lance]

They are getting there but they are still incredibly inconsistent

So when they fix that up I'll consider the AS canon

I need a direct connection to hn2. Show me a direct hn2 event in the AS and I will be like ok

No differences

Exactly the same

[safe charm]

Anyways the hn2 update has made me intrested in its atmosphere and lore more

Talking

Hn2

[strange lance]

True

The atmosphere is peak

[safe charm]

The music as well

[ripe berry]

HN2 hasn't started yet in the AS, it will have started by the end of Episode 9, so how about wait before jumping to conclusions

[strange lance]

Ep6 is directly connected to hn2

-Alex

What did he lie again

Do not send another essay

[ripe berry]

he never said directly connected, it's a tie-in that leads up to the events of HN2, not that HN2 starts on Episode 6, and again we're only working with Season 1 when Season 2 is when HN2 would started so we should wait for Season 2 before we actually say for certain if they're two different timelines

[strange lance]

Well

[ripe berry]

just like how HNHS "leads up to" HN1

[strange lance]

I don't really care what the AS does

[ripe berry]

despite them not being on the same day

(HNHS Description says it leads up to the events of HN1)

[strange lance]

Well saying "HNHS leads directly to hn book 1 missing secrets" would not be the best marketing would it

Of course they would say it leads to hn1

It's a prequel game

That's just basic marketing lmao

[ripe berry]

Same thing with AS, basic marketing makes it better to say Episode 6 leads to HN2 instead of saying it "sets up things that lead to HN2"

[strange lance]

Why would you use hnhs as a example then if it's the same as the AS idk what you're trying to prove 😭

[ripe berry]

I changed it to work under your explanation of the HNHS Description

Either way it shows that Episode 6 is not literally meant to connect directly to HN2

[strange lance]

Ok

I really do not care about what the AS has the on the lore

I don't personally like it

I'll ignore it

Same with many others

[thin wadi]

So will you also ignore hn2?

[strange lance]

No

I'll play it for the gameplay

Not the story

[thin wadi]

See my only problem is that I want to like hn2, but I can't ignore the AS lore now since they decided to make the games toe into the AS

[thin wadi]

True

Fair point

[strange lance]

I do not care for what story the AS and hn2 are trying to tell

Very messy

Kinda basic imo

So I'll just ignore it

Simple

🤷‍♂️

I'll just continue to talk about the original lore

Discuss it with others

I enjoy that

[thin wadi]

I've been trying to ignore the story for the most part but I keep thinking about it to much

[snow mauve]

The lore is getting good i tell ya

[thin wadi]

true

this was basically my patch 9 experience

[snow mauve]

We must uncover the mystery about is Quentin spongebob!?

[snow mauve]

All of us you mean

[thin wadi]

I honestly liked the gameplay but definitely could have been more polished

[thin wadi]

yes

[snow mauve]

Like the boxes

Back to school dlc moment

It can't even place well

Just like how the dlc did

[thin wadi]

well I was more thinking of like if they added distractions for the guest and/or made him less aggressive and if he wasnt buggy when breaking down doors and trying to catch you in the cart

[snow mauve]

Oh true

That too

I had to watch someone play patch 9 and they were really struggling at the start

Like they didn't have time to begin on where to start

The guest just immediately starts the hunt

Would've been nice if his AI would spawn once we get out of our spawning point room

[thin wadi]

yeah they definitely should make him a lot less aggressive when you first load in/respawn

[snow mauve]

I think the aggression is fine but yeah I do agree it should tone down a bit at your first respawn

[thin wadi]

maybe like a 30 second safe time where the guest is a lot less active and then he resumes as normal

[thin wadi]

yeah I mean like when you 1st respawn

[snow mauve]

Yeah that could work too

[thin wadi]

also I thought of a cool (maybe cool idk) idea on how they could add the flashlight

[thin wadi]

basically quentin should be given a dull light, normal flashlight in his office that he can use when he breaks into the normal neighbors' houses (assuming they add a day/night cycle to make it somewhat not pointless)

||However when you go to the wood mill you will either be given or you will find a new type of flashlight, which is that new yellow flashlight from the game files. This flashlight works like a normal flashlight however slightly brighter and it has a new mechanic: if you hold down use button (so LMB ffor PC controls) it will charge up the flashlight and then after about 3 seconds it will send a flash of light that can stun the guest if its pointed at him, causing him to pause and rub his face beak for a couple of seconds allowing you to get away and hide while he cant sense you. However when you used the charged blast on this flashlight it gives the flashlight a 30 second cooldown or something like that. However once you beat the patch 9 section, when you retuen to the main town this charged flashlight is added to your item bar in the office and you can now use this on the normal town folk AIs (like gerda and otto etc). So basically you get a new mechanic introduced to help you agaisnt the guest but you can keep this mechanic as an upgrade to the main game||
(contains potential patch 9 spoilers)

waity!

I wasnt done typing

im editing it

[thin wadi]

@snow mauve

Did I cook or no

[snow mauve]

Alr lemme read

[thin wadi]

also we chould probably move to #closed-hn-spoilers

realized this is off topic

[snow mauve]

Hm I'm digging that idea

Reminds me of TJOC reborn mechanics

Like gotta shine your flashlight at ignited foxy

You definitely cooked @thin wadi

🔥

[obtuse willow]

man i got the entire lore memorized for some reason

[teal imp]

quite a few people I talked to say it would be better if the AS was its own thing

[teal imp]

the AS has smart phones and takes place in modern times

while hn2 is stated to be in 1996

multiple times

[teal imp]

he also says in ep 6`s description that it ties into hnvr

and he said it tied into HE

which it didnt

[ripe berry]

the HNVR AS Ep. 6 inconsistencies could come from the fact there are two different Companies who made the products so things could easily get lost in communication and Cartoons take awhile to make so they'd probably be relying on early notes for what HNVR's plot is instead of the final game

[teal imp]

hnvr has all of the 6 kids from the start

and hnvr ties in perfectly with hn1

the AS went out of its way to retcon the act 2 intro

the fact steel wool did a better job with consistency than tb....

[ripe berry]

I was saying their conversion of HNVR to AS being inconsistent could maninly be because they only would have access to early story stuff when they made the script

The Kids break into Ted's House and get kidnapped? Ok then

[teal imp]

the AS still went with it 4 kids instead of 6

and it still retconned the act 2 intro

[ripe berry]

Delroy wasn't involved too much in HNVR so they probably ignored his existence

and evidence suggests Ivan was at one point a playable Rescue Squad Member outside of being a save point

[teal imp]

that doesnt justify it...

finch was always playable

[ripe berry]

so Ivan breaking in is justified

[teal imp]

why is she left out?

at best this is ignorance

[ripe berry]

Finch Idk, the other changes make sense if they're working with early notes

[teal imp]

but its clear its done on purpose

theres so many inconsistencies

and dumb changes

[teal imp]

they werent

alex said HE tied into the AS

even tho that being far from the case

HE would be around 4-6

[ripe berry]

I was explaining HNVR, HE is it's own case

[teal imp]

if this what alex considers to be tieing into then I dont wanna imagine what hn2 will be like

[ripe berry]

If you ignore Sandbox Mode it fits between Episodes 4 and 5 as there's a several week timejump

either that or Alex comes up with a stupid excuse to not have Nicky be in the Inventors Club in HE

[teal imp]

if I ignore sandbox then the kids are permanently trapped in another dimension...

the AS just doesnt work with the games because the writers just werent even trying

at best it leaves in pieces for hn2

[ripe berry]

There's also the fact we can't figure out how long they were in Sandbox reliably

We have no info on how time passes in Sandbox or if time even passes

[teal imp]

Ivan had his birthday there

also theres no indication of Ivan being a traitor in the games its just what the AS made up

[ripe berry]

for them it could've been months but for the real world it's only been 2 days

[ripe berry]

and what says he's the traitor

[teal imp]

devgamm...

they accidentally spoiled it

ep 3 he doesnt have a story

[ripe berry]

The Character Wheel that could easily have 2 characters there?

[teal imp]

ep 4 he just leaves for no reason

[teal imp]

it was the main for

also it was inve(rest is blurred)

[ripe berry]

and Season 2 Delroy seems to be important and Ivan's Actor is no longer working on AS

[teal imp]

Ivan`s VA is no longer woking on the AS? good

I heard some bad stuff about him

[ripe berry]

So they kinda have to rework the Traitor to be someone else unless they care enough about the Ivan is a Traitor thing to give him a new actor

"yeah, you know that character who hasn't had a single line of dialogue since Season 1?, he's a traitor"

[teal imp]

they would have to write him out of the story with this logic

[ripe berry]

at this point why the hell not, also they could've changed the traitor because they accidentally spoiled it for all we know

We don't have Season 2 so we can't say sh*t about the Traitor Plotline

without getting into speculation or things they could've easily changed

[teal imp]

writing him out would be dumb...

[teal imp]

didnt they already have episode up to 12 written back in may?

[ripe berry]

and you think they make smart decisions?

If they did the show wouldn't exist

We're the ones trying to make everything remain semi-connected here

It's obivous if Alex had the studio just try they could make the Books Adapt to Animation

[reef orbit]

maybe alex is just trying to be like "oh no he's not the traitor" because they accidentaly revelead that he is the traitor

or I at least hope that's the case cuz that would make his previous behaviour make no sense

[indigo quest]

when will the update come out on ps4

[reef orbit]

jeezus

christ

[snow mauve]

Never

[indigo quest]

https://tenor.com/view/que-emoji-shocked-omg-oh-my-god-gif-17234855

[tribal talon]

Definitely not today

[indigo quest]

expected about as much

[main vale]

guys

im new in this server hello

over all those years i had much theories about the lore of hn and all ohter games

and i think i found smth out that you guys wanna know

its about the guest

so as yall know that the neighbor had 2 kids

the girl died bc of the brother

my theorie always were he broke out the house and got the guest but

as we can see in hello neighbor 2 hes there

but in the welcome to raven brooks we see an ohter kid escape at the end of the season

and at the end we see the guest

and if you looked closley in hello neighbor 2 you see that the karackter that we play in hn 1 is missin

so my theory is that the guy from hn 1 we played is the guest

and trying to actually help us to get away from there bc he knows that its not save

what do you guys think about that let me know.

[reef orbit]

the guy you play as in HN1 is Nicky

[main vale]

Nah

u fr

[reef orbit]

I mean

[main vale]

Damn that chances evrything

[reef orbit]

if you played hn1 you should know that

[main vale]

yes

i didnt knew his name tho

and he dosnt looks like him in the series

but that makes no sense in hn 2 hes missing

[reef orbit]

cuz they didn't want him to be ugly in the AS

[reef orbit]

cuz he ran away

[main vale]

Damn i gotta re think about that

thx

[reef orbit]

but honestly asking "where is nicky in hn2" is a good question

he should theoretically be there

but who knows anymore cuz the AS messed up the continuity even more

[main vale]

wait but what if this is the perfect awnser

what if he came back as the guest

[dapper ice]

Us secret neighbor in a different universe than hn2

[main vale]

nah

just

difrent time

we dont know if its before or after hn 1 tho

[reef orbit]

SN is the kids imagination

and it was always before HN1 act 2

it was the planning phase of the rescue of nicky

but rn the lore has apparently been changed

[main vale]

yeah ik about that thats why i dont know where to catch up

yk i had some good theories i got the lore but now

i dont get better anymore

[dapper ice]

So than why would the kids imagine up the guest when they never saw him befor

[reef orbit]

I said

that the lore has changed

[dapper ice]

Ohhh

Ok

[reef orbit]

it probably isn't even the planning phase anymore

who knows at this point

or they could just be having fun with the game

cuz it's a silly multiplayer murder mystery rip off

[main vale]

they sayed they reveal whos the guest in welcome to raven brooks

[reef orbit]

ye

[dapper ice]

Yea um pretty shure now that sn is not cannon

Anymore

[main vale]

actually i just thought what if nicky comes back as the guest so hes might the guest in hn2 which dosnt makes sense tho bc of the series i think i lost my detective phasre my theories dosnt make sense anymore

[reef orbit]

well the only things super officialy canon are AS and HN2

[dapper ice]

Yea and ep6 is the first time we kinda got to see the guest not who's in the costume but the guest

[reef orbit]

the guest isn't a human in a costume

the guest is some creature

[main vale]

what

[reef orbit]

omg

[dapper ice]

Oh

[reef orbit]

what kinda theory videos have you been watching

you're still stuck in the HG era

[main vale]

well i actually thought that too bc the jaw is moving but thats prob not like this

[dapper ice]

I'm exited well prob see what the guest is in ep7 or 8

[reef orbit]

I'm pretty sure it was implied in the HN2 alphas and hello guest that the guest is someone in a costume

[main vale]

nah i wasnt watching i madre them myself

and i had some theories which were real at the end

[reef orbit]

but that's deffinitely not the case anymore

[main vale]

but that long ago

nope

its not

btw

the guest has an lil repaired spot on his back so it has to be an costume

[reef orbit]

well he's still wearing clothes

[dapper ice]

But how does he run so fast than

[reef orbit]

but have you seen his body???

he's built like a twig

but he's got incredible strength

and speed

[main vale]

yeah true

[dapper ice]

What if the guest is just nightmares coming into reality that quin imagine

[main vale]

but it has to make sense with the lore

like freddie kruger? Nah

would be too easy

[reef orbit]

no it's deffinitely real

[dapper ice]

Yea that was a stupid idea

[main vale]

Wit a sed

sec*

[dapper ice]

Hu

[reef orbit]

this is kind of a stretch but remember the character descriptions

[dapper ice]

No I don't read them

[main vale]

What if the neighbor made the guest we saw him escape from an locked room from his house

[dapper ice]

I only read quinz

[reef orbit]

the guests one said that he's an "urban legend, stories of it have existed for ages"

however the descriptions could be outdated so

I wouldn't take that as 100% accurate

[dapper ice]

What if it's some type of creepy God bec it existed for a long time

[main vale]

it has to do smth with the nieghbor tho

i mean he came from his house

[reef orbit]

oh yeah the AS exists

so I want you to look at HN2

[main vale]

he tried to keep us away from an ending where 2 puppets comming out looking like the dauther and mother

[reef orbit]

and then at AS

[dapper ice]

Yea and the neighbor is working with dq guesy

[main vale]

and whats suspicious about that is that both are death

[reef orbit]

the AS could be a retelling by the kids

what we saw might NOT be the truth

because like

act 3 house that was built overnight

[main vale]

whats as im too dumb

[reef orbit]

animated series

[main vale]

oh

you mean welcome to raven brooks

[reef orbit]

yes

AS in short

cuz no one wants to type out WTRB every time

[main vale]

i have a question

was this server made from tinybuild?

[reef orbit]

probably

who else would make it

[main vale]

nice

idk lol

its nice to talk with you guys

i love this server

can i add you?

[reef orbit]

ye

[main vale]

hmm

[reef orbit]

also

[main vale]

lets try to find out who/what the guest is

[reef orbit]

I don't understand the creepy door in the AS basement

[main vale]

im ligit trying to figure it out since 3 years

[reef orbit]

if the guest is actualy in there

WHY would ted keep the guest in the basement

that makes no sense to me

[main vale]

well you sayed it is not a human right?

[reef orbit]

deffinitely not

it CAN'T be

[main vale]

what if its not an human (Anymore)...

[reef orbit]

like the guest would just dispatch ted

[main vale]

what if he made him like that

have you ever thought about that?