lore-discussion

[safe charm]

Stay being aaron or become the guest

[ripe berry]

yeah that's the problem with most candidates for who the Guest could be in AS

how do they become a demon bird

and besides there's not even a lot of options

Want me to list all of the options?

[safe charm]

Yes

Guest being lucy yi vengful spirit is possible but it would be kinda lame

Imo

Its sus how they showed a picture of gaap in ep3 though

[ripe berry]

The only people who could actually be the Guest are:
Lucy Yi (Gains powers after death)
The Thing (Already a demonic entity)
Guest Kid (Never Found it seems)
Pumpkin Kid (Fate Unknown)
and that's about it

[safe charm]

So how does the shadow man become the guest than thats what im wondering

[ripe berry]

Otto, Gerda, Leslie, Keith, and the Mayor all don't fit the body shape of the Guest's new model (not his old one)

[safe charm]

Because imo

[ripe berry]

same with Librarian

[safe charm]

In AS he most likely looks like the shadow

At the start

[ripe berry]

Janitor has no basis for being a demon/becoming one

[safe charm]

Thats a theory

But still

[ripe berry]

Aaron, Quentin, and Mr. Peterson are seen at the same time as the Guest

[safe charm]

Is it a costume or is he just shapeshifting

[ripe berry]

Guest existed for a long time meaning it can't be a kid

Murtaugh... ok I forgot about him

[safe charm]

Tbh

[ripe berry]

Abanate also doesn't fit too well for the Guest

[safe charm]

I Think Lucy yi might be a possiblity

Like her spirit

[ripe berry]

The dead people are dead after the Guest existed

[safe charm]

Like why even put Lucy their

Its the most random

[ripe berry]

He's the most suspicious person in AS other then Ted

[safe charm]

Thing thats why i Think that might be the case

That or

The shadow man

Or maybe both

[safe charm]

So lets play with the idea of lucy yi being the guest

Maybe her spirit was

Trapped in the amusement park

[ripe berry]

one problem with Lucy Yi being the Guest actually

[safe charm]

Or something and the rituals made her the guest

[ripe berry]

Maritza and Mya knew her in SN and HE meaning Lucy Yi's death is recent

[safe charm]

Gaap mascot it doesnt have to actually be the guest entity being the urban legend

It could be a fake urban legend that Lucy yi

[ripe berry]

Gaap mascot would only exist when the Gaap opened

and the Forest Protectors

[safe charm]

The gaap mascot might

Be based

[ripe berry]

They've existed for quite awhile

[safe charm]

On the urban legend

[ripe berry]

and the Guest is clearly a leader-like person to the cult

You're telling me Lucy Yi managed to found a cult before her own birth?

[safe charm]

Ok than who the hell is he man

[safe charm]

Thats a theory

We dont know if he

Founded it

[ripe berry]

Thing, Guest Kid, and Pumpkin Kid are the only options

and even then it's quick to remove Pumpkin and Guest Kid

[safe charm]

Lucy as well tbh

Not even gonna lie

[ripe berry]

HN2A1.5 Intro seems to be a retelling of those vents

[safe charm]

Wdym

[ripe berry]

The three trick or treaters go to a location in the woods and are attacked by the Guest, causing them to go missing

Which aha there's a excuse to remove Lucy Yi aswell

There's no way to say this ain't before her birth

so Thing is the only logical option left

[safe charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1104043327457869955/2023-05-05_15-53-22.mp4?ex=651c1cf9&is=651acb79&hm=dcd51af52d6fef7aa0560a1be1e79803e3fc63ff0c31d7d32a604145256ce637&

Im still qurious

About this tape

Not gonna lie

[ripe berry]

same

[safe charm]

But i cant

Figure it out

In the end its like something happens

Because all the crows flees

It sounds

[safe charm]

Like why put random crow sounds

There

[hazy slate]

wish they just kept them seperate

[ripe berry]

and you probably hate it even more since it works with Manifestation Theory

[hazy slate]

precisely

but if they are one in the same

SN got a whole lot more interesting

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

At this point idk what the hell the guest is anymore

Like is he a spirit of the Forrest thingy

Or what

Does mr Peterson saying visitor mean something

[ripe berry]

prob just a reference to Guest's filename being Visitor

[safe charm]

Okay but why is guest in a Forrest with mr Peterson

You Think

We also got this

[shell gull]

He isn’t?

[safe charm]

No their in a house

Sorry

Hehe

😄

[shell gull]

So it’s Isolated and no one finds it.

[safe charm]

The guest makes zero sense at the moment hope ep4 touches on his lore like ik he wont physicaly be in it but maybe

Dialouge or anything about him

[shell gull]

He won’t appear till Ep 6.

[safe charm]

I just Said that

🤦

[shell gull]

Yeah? So he wouldn’t be in Ep 4?

[safe charm]

I meant as in lore wise

Since hes an urban

[shell gull]

Eh.

[safe charm]

Legend

You Think hes anyone

Of this lol

[shell gull]

No.

They are really pinning The Guest as a Person.

[safe charm]

Well who the hell knows anymore

[shell gull]

True true

[safe charm]

Also you Think hes the one going around and hurting people lol

In ep3

Like the ending of it

[torpid sinew]

Lucy Liu?

[safe charm]

Its a typo

They said that

[hazy slate]

Run

now

[hazy slate]

before I choose what weapon I want to use

[shell gull]

Nah, just after G.A.C.

[snow mauve]

What the actual hell..

Yeah it is dumb, Nicky is only a child

Plus why even become a main antagonist?

[hazy slate]

shhhhh

we don't wanna hear that

[snow mauve]

no

[pliant estuary]

so is there a lore reason why in the AS how is the schools not shut down and under serious investigation after the boiler exploded, why did no one in that public area call 911 when that one dude fell down the stairs and needed serious medical help

[strange lance]

plot convenience

[ripe berry]

In AS my guess is it's been a few days since the incident, and the building was mostly unharmed and was easily repaired, blame put on the Boilers

However when the same thing happened again this time reaching the Classrooms the School was put on lockdown and eventually shut down from the bad press around it

hence why it's shut down in Back to School

It's more of a gradual fade out then anything

Idk about the guy who fell from the stairs tho

[pale urchin]

What the hell happened here #lore-discussion message

[ripe berry]

Some guy asked Pumpkis to kiss them Nothing you should worry about

[pale urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-memes-fnaf-im-feeling-romantical-i'm-feeling-romantical-gif-14920536381039527257

[ripe berry]

How'd I know that'd be your response

[pale urchin]

I was just rephrasing on that dudes deleted comment towards depkis

[shell gull]

Only in Raven Brooks

[ripe berry]

That's the only answer to the second question

[shell gull]

Lol

[hazy slate]

I hate this meme so much

[hazy slate]

he stood, walked to the tinybuild office, and got revenge

[thin wadi]

Lucy Liu 💀

Nah

[wicked heath]

aint no way they said Lucy Liu

[pliant estuary]

yes lets send children to a school that has shown its unreliable and had an accident that could have killed hundreds of students had it not been renovelled as quickly as it did, Also the school getting shutdown for awhile could have been a good plot point as to why there meeting at trinity's house in episode 4, but nope, its AS

[shell gull]

They said it was a Grammar Mistake.

[pliant estuary]

I remember in an SN live stream awhile back, one of the team members had a small guest face paint on there cheek, they called it there ghost, imagine if they made the guest Lucy or Mya

[shell gull]

Aw hell nah 💀

[hazy slate]

flashbacks to mya crow tattoo

[misty ether]

Nicky played fortnite so now he has mats irl

[bleak spear]

what

[manic dirge]

huh?

[shut hill]

Why does Mr Peterson kill the chicken, is he stupid?

[snow mauve]

No, he needs food

duh

[ripe berry]

duh

[shell gull]

Lol

[pliant estuary]

well if they did, lucy's soul could have been distorted due to revenge

[snow mauve]

Oh hell no

Not fnaf lore in hn 😭

[pliant estuary]

fnaf AS cross over, AS ep6 comes out only 1 day after the movie

[pliant estuary]

well duh I was referring to AS lucy

pure evil

[snow mauve]

Elizabeth afton

[pliant estuary]

lucy afton, and Elizabeth Yi

[pliant estuary]

somebody keeps pining me then deleting it

[manic dirge]

damn

[thin wadi]

Had to do an essay in English class on a book of choice we were supposed to read but I didn't finish reading the book I was going to read

So I eneded up writing an essay in about 30 minutes before I had to submit it on the plot and characters in GN2 and presented it to the teacher, because GN2 was the last book I read

...I didn't know I was that much of a HN fan to write an essay

[safe charm]

Hi btw Do you Think we

Will see the guest backstory in AS or not i hope we get more info on him

I really hope ep6 will at least reveal something

[reef orbit]

he just generaly need more about the guest

[stiff spire]

nice rendition of the lucy we should've seen

[cunning sand]

Oof

[crude dew]

the principal was not in her room. They are using backwards psychology, guys. Principal pretends to care about Peterson, while they will be clearly enemies, the man is not stupid. Mayor pretending to be very worried (he acts terribly lmao) and the list goes on. Its the typical “perpetrator pretends to be the victim and the good guy” stereotype.

i read back a bit, i have headache, guys what the ef

elf

[silver vine]

he could be a cultist, but my question is, in one of his interviews, he literally gives away the fact that the cult is watching the ppl using the gnomes

he would've been killed by now if he was a cultist

[snow mauve]

Still think he is a cultist

I have a huge suspicion on that man

[silver vine]

he could be, Im not against it

[shell gull]

Sure, but do you not realize that most of the Stuff in Archives is Most Likely not useful, and even then we know he’s trying to Hide and Not be Caught Most Likely, and sure yes there is all of that, but you can’t, you just can’t Pass Up the Fact he has one of The Cult Stolen Keys Buried in his Backyard.

Also it would be kinda weird how one of the Level Characters other than the Main One wasn’t a Cultist when the Rest Are, also he’s on Teds suspicions list of being a Cultist.

[lime hare]

hello

I'm and my friends are going

[ripe berry]

New AS Timeline (Theory):
HNHS, AS Ep. 1, AS Ep. 2, Red Tape, AS Ep. 3, AS Ep. 4, HE, AS Ep. 5, MJ goes Missing, HN2 Intro (until Quentin drinks Coffee), HN2 Late Fees, HN2 Main Menu, Quentin Falls Asleep, SN, AS Ep. 6, Nicky Reports Ted to the Cops, Quentin sets up Cameras Across RB to see if can catch odd behavior, HN Showcase Pre-Stream Starts, Cops Start Watching Ted, Ted leaves to find Aaron and does, Late Fees DLC, Quentin goes back around collecting Footage, Rest of HN2 Intro + Barn Tutorial, Mayor sends Police to Arrest Ted (forget which tape color that is), Police Arrive Teaser/End of HN Showcase Pre-Stream, rest of HN2, Rest of AS, somewhere in the rest of AS HN1 happens as Nicky getting therapy.

(This is my personal theory for AS Timeline and I know the HN2 part is complicated but I put the most time into sorting everything I could in HN2 timeline-wise and I'm only including events that happen in the timespan of the games and AS)

[manic dirge]

you should make a google doc

[ripe berry]

I'm already working on a visual for this (plus adding other things I didn't include here to the mix)

[safe charm]

If the police

Were watching the house where were they

In the intro

[ripe berry]

They're offscreen (behind the Barn probably based off position in HN Showcase Pre-Stream)

[safe charm]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

and yes I'm saying the pre-stream is canon they made it 100% possible for it to be canon so I'm working it into the canon (and it actually works surprisingly well with how Quentin's Route of driving through RB in the Intro would put him outside Ted's House and yet Ted's House is one of the only places he hasn't crossed out yet when we cut back to him at night)

I'm looking through the tape colors to see which on had which audio

But there's somehow almost nothing in this server on the yellow tape

Yellow Tape was Guest in a tunnel tho, right?

(Red's the Digging up Coins, Green's the unknown, White's the one with the Cops, Blue's the one where MJ goes Missing and Idr what the 6th one was)

[hoary tree]

the lore is that the neighbor has a mustache, the end

[shell gull]

SN isn’t Quentin’s Imagination, it’s just a Trailer, and we know in AS they actually have SN, and based on Evidence it’s still them making a Plan to Break In, similar to The Guest it’s just them Imagining Quentin Tagging along with Them.

Because he’s that Local Journalist.

But it’s your Personal Timeline so 👍🏻

[silver vine]

no, I dont think they make the imaginary plans in AS, cuz we know that ep 5 is Peterson visiting Trinity and ep 6 is SN and HN1 Act 2 where the kids actually break into the house and save Nicky and, Quentin arrives to the town only after the events of SN

I think that they changed the story of SN from being an imaginary to therapy session/distorted memory

cuz otherwise they would not know know Quentin as he has not moved into the town yet

[reef orbit]

the kids save nicky?

or is that your theory

[safe charm]

Apperantly

Now they do

Not aaron

But who knows

[reef orbit]

oh god

they're really throwing everything out the window

[shell gull]

Good Point, your Probably right I’m leaning more with that.

[ripe berry]

My current AS HN Timeline but with visuals when I had a image for them (plus some udates, I didn't include stuff from Episode 4 since the entire timeline was thrown together before Ep. 4, I just thought I should wait until Ep. 4 airs before sending it incase it contradicted anything)

(and woops forgot to allow people to view it)

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1BQ216HeQmaYOzvHG-yRJsg4-Uzfj0HfdFGcWdTxOqyo/edit#slide=id.p

(Again just a theory, and yes the GAAP image is to represent the Golden Apple Amusement Park Incident)

(The Arrows (I can change them to white if they're too hard to see) are to help you tell order and yes I organized events within something (that's what something being above something else means) based off direction of the arrows)

[ripe berry]

yeah

also Fun Fact: if you think about it Nicky breaking into the house in AS Ep.4 is similar to the HN1 announcement trailer
In HN1 Announcement Trailer The Player Tricks Ted to get to the Key, then Ted finds him, chases him, a window gets broken with a chair and another window is broken, then the Player gets to the Basement, almost gets in, then the Neighbor attacks the Player
In AS Ep. 4 Nicky leaving the Cupcake distracts Ted long enough to get to the Key, then Ted finds him, chases him, a window gets broken and another window is broken with a chair, then Nicky gets to the Basement, almost gets in, then the Neighbor attacks Nicky

[shell gull]

Pretty well said.

[thorn rover]

I have theory, that the HN act 1 lasts a half of the year, and the whole animeted series is actually the act 1, we don't know how Nicky started to sneek into neighbor's house, but we know how it ended, he opened the basement with red key, and then the neighbor catches him, quite similar to act 1 ending, and if HN h&s end in may, the hello neighbor act 1 started and it's not one attempt of Nicky sneeking into neighbor's house, it's the half of the year, it also inclueds the AS, then in december there is secret neighbor, how I know that? Becouse on the calendar in every map I guess there is write "decimbir" then in next year (1996) there is HN VR and also HN act 2 and HN2, I think it's pretty good theory

[ripe berry]

I mean:

Nicky DOES say he's been onto Ted for "months" in Episode 2

and it explains why they don't cover the Intro to Act 1

However one small problem is the years

Years are inconsistent in HN

in HN1 the Milk Cartons say it's 1997

HN2 is in 1996 yet after Act 2

and AS has been officially stated to be after 1997 chronologically

and yet is before HN2 timeline-wise

[shell gull]

AS is a Separate Canon from VR so that part wouldn’t count, for now all we know is SN is a Distorted Memory from the Trauma the Kids gain from breaking into Petersons House.

So that part is semi Correct, The Break in Happened, SN was a Later Date thing.

[ripe berry]

yeah HNVR is the other problem

but the timeline this has minus HNVR works

[snow mauve]

Wha..

[thorn rover]

I think the years isn't matter, becouse it's making LITERALLY no sense

[ripe berry]

I was saying for Hubi's HN Timeline Theory HNVR and Years are the only issues with it

[ripe berry]

Yeah I think the writers decided the same thing

because if you try to mix the years into this you get a impossible timeline

[thorn rover]

Yea

[snow mauve]

Ohhh

[thorn rover]

I think it could be what I'm saying, becouse if we don't care about years it makes so much sense

[ripe berry]

(and just to add onto it HN1 as we see it in-game is likely distorted memories explaining inconsistencies between HN1 and AS)

[thorn rover]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

at this point I ignore exact years and just use the timeframes

like Act 3 is ~19-20 years after Act 1

Act 2 is 2 months after Act 1 (placing AS in October or November which works well)

[snow mauve]

So I still wonder

Where did the "2 months" thing come from

About how long Nicky was trapped in the basement

Before act 2 he escaped

[thorn rover]

Act 1 is before secret neighbor, in HN VR we saw that act 2 is after HN VR and then after act 2 there is HN2

[ripe berry]

(AS Episodes 1-4 being in October works with this teaser having a Halloween thing on the County Jail Pinboard)

[manic dirge]

well im pretty sure the books retconned that act 1 was in 1997

[ripe berry]

I'm referencing AS Timeline here pal

[snow mauve]

Funny how it's literally what we got the rest of season 1 this month

[manic dirge]

oh sorry

[ripe berry]

Books are their own can of worms for timelines when trying to figure out the order for stuff

[shell gull]

Very fitting

[snow mauve]

Did Alex predicted the future for hn2 update and purposely release ep3-6 in October...

[ripe berry]

(especially trying to fit it in with AS)

[ripe berry]

and this being a finished frame implies it can't come from anything other then Season 1

As rn only the first two episodes of Season 2 have finished animation

[shell gull]

Man I can’t wait for the Halloween Update to get its Release moved up to become the Thanksgiving Update 💀

[thorn rover]

Maybe the prison scene is when is chapter 2 of HN2? The police finds neighbor in museum and catches him

[snow mauve]

Nah

[thorn rover]

I really don't care about years becouse they don't make sense

[snow mauve]

That just sounds lame

Plus I'm pretty sure

[ripe berry]

yeah it's possible (or it could be a dream sequence similar to episode 2)

[snow mauve]

In hn2 they still haven't found Ted yet

As one of the cops are part of the cult

(Officer Keith)

[ripe berry]

The person who knocks us out at the end of HN2 is a part of the cult

and he would've clearly saw Ted

[thorn rover]

I still don't know if the sect is with Ted or against him?

[snow mauve]

Strange cuz they seem to not bother

Going back to the Museum

But rather busy praising the guest

And just sacrificing Quentin

[thorn rover]

?

[ripe berry]

(In case you forgot we know that because of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9a_zMzzgAM)

[snow mauve]

What are you talking about

[ripe berry]

Guest is on it's own side

It uses people to get it's goals

So it's working with Ted... but Ted is also killing the cultists... who worship the Guest...

[snow mauve]

Which I believe in hn2 update, Quentin will get lured by the guest as he seems to be interested in him now

And he'll be lured just to go his shelter

(The mill or whatever)

So the guest could kill him alone ig

[ripe berry]

and here the Guest blatantly goes against the Cult

[snow mauve]

Or maybe just do something else

[thorn rover]

The lore is so CRAZY but I love it

[snow mauve]

Well it started off simple

But now it's a mess

[thorn rover]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

But for me I rather focus on the animated series and hn2

Since they're both connected

I mean clearly they are

Cloak guest, cultist lore, and hn2 characters

[ripe berry]

(Also just gonna say so HNVR shows the Guest can turn into a Crow, right? Well what are the odds that in AS a Crow is what killed the Realtor, a Crow is there when Trinity has that Nightmare, and a Crow is there when Ted beats up Otto Kinander, plus the Crow cheers on Ted and it's NOT Ted?)

and yet the crow is completely absent from Episode 4

almost like the events of Episode 4 aren't planned by the Guest but the events of the previous episodes are

[snow mauve]

Obviously the guest wouldn't show up yet

Until ep6

Which he got plans ig

[thorn rover]

Fun fact: after SN update we will hear Quentin's voice for the first time

[snow mauve]

We already know that

[thorn rover]

Cool

[snow mauve]

Anyways

[ripe berry]

Also Quentin in SN kinda implies HN2 to start before SN or else why'd he be there

So I guess that makes HN2 also December

[snow mauve]

I feel like hn2 takes place in fall

Due to orange trees

With leaves falling down

[ripe berry]

Yeah it's hard to make exacts with the HN timeline

since I'm like 50% sure the Decimbir thing is just a reference

But another possibility is this:

Act 1 is August, Act 2/HN2 is October, and SN just has the Neighbor using a outdated calendar or smth

[thorn rover]

I think SN is just off the lore becouse there is characters that CAN'T be there like Quentin or Otto

[ripe berry]

We still get the October lining up

[snow mauve]

No SN can fit

Only to the kids imagination part

[ripe berry]

Actually here's the thing

SN is imagination

[snow mauve]

Everything else like neighbor classes and Quentin

I rather let those slide off

[ripe berry]

It happens shortly before they break in in AS Ep. 6

[thorn rover]

I know, but why is there someone who they even didn't ever met

[ripe berry]

Quentin is a Journalist, they'd have to know about him

especially considering the Raven Brooks Banner can hardly fit 2 Journalists working there

[thorn rover]

He wasn't RB journalist, we arrives into RB becouse the RB journalist went missing

[ripe berry]

and the Raven Brooks Banner, while the site shows purely news articles, also has TV Channels

[shell gull]

This could work for AS HNHS.

[ripe berry]

Yeah, and what do you think we're doing there? replacing the job of the previous journalist.

[thorn rover]

He didn't even knew how RB looks like, he needs map

[ripe berry]

Hence the "4TV" in the logo

[ripe berry]

He's new to the town but he's still a journalist who'd replace the old one

[shell gull]

The plot of Quentin is he replaced M.J. And follows his exact same Footsteps leading to his same fate, this time surviving based on what’s shown for Chapter 2.

[snow mauve]

I mean just let the devs do what they want

[ripe berry]

and chances are they'd see him on the news

[snow mauve]

It's not effecting the lore

[ripe berry]

Either way Quentin in SN was said by the devs to be in the lore

[snow mauve]

I mean I see why not add more characters

[ripe berry]

and work with the lore

[snow mauve]

Wait what

[ripe berry]

lemme get the quote

[snow mauve]

Since when and where..

[thorn rover]

Yeah I know, that's what I meant, but he never was in RB so how the kids could know him

[shell gull]

It works with the Lore of SN now anyways, Distorted Memory, They have a Distorted Memory and they think Quentin was their with them from their Trauma.

[snow mauve]

They never met him anyway..

So why does it even matter anyway

[thorn rover]

Yes

[snow mauve]

I mean Quentin being one of the kids class fits

Like what sh1mp said

It could represent Quentin's own trauma

Which makes sense

[shell gull]

Adventure Class…

[thorn rover]

I think it's not the "kid" class now

[snow mauve]

Right

[shell gull]

Actually it was always Adventure Class since Launch, they were too Lazy to remove the Old Kid Class Name from Development:

[snow mauve]

I can't believe someone that I despise is just copying my username

The one who's typing earlier

[shell gull]

Huh?

[snow mauve]

Anyways

[hazy slate]

what

[snow mauve]

Not you

[hazy slate]

i know

but

huh

[snow mauve]

Did y'all not see

Another pumpkis user

Typing

When that wasn't me

[ripe berry]

Ok the Quentin in SN being canon is a mix of two things:
#secret-neighbor message
#secret-neighbor message

[snow mauve]

Huh

Welp guess SN is now going to AS timeline now

[ripe berry]

The first one is a response to someone asking if something happened to allow for a 7th kid class, then after the first message the guy hoped they didn't make SN non-canon, which the dev then responded with "everything according to the canon"

[snow mauve]

That's something

[ripe berry]

and Quentin is on the kid's side so although the term Kid doesn't apply to him he's still a kid class

(I guess we should call them by their internal name of explorers now)

So yeah Quentin in SN is canon somehow

[snow mauve]

AS timeline yippee

Idk what to say

It's something ig but idc

[ripe berry]

(Which is also why in my timeline I cram HN2 Intro, SN, AS Ep. 6, Act 2, and HN2 Late Fees DLC all into the same day)

[safe charm]

It’s still fascinating how new act 1 is basically just a changed announcement trailer in terms of what happens

[ripe berry]

(+ The HN Showcase Pre-Stream since that works with the current canon)

[snow mauve]

Crazy how Ted

Really wanna hurt a child (Nicky)

By just trying to throw heavy stuff at em

Just to make them fly out the window

[ripe berry]

.

(Just doing this to show what Guestyyy is referencing)

[snow mauve]

Yeah trinityyy

We know how you always complicate yourself..

(evil laugh)

[safe charm]

No one absolutely no one can call mr Peterson innocent now

Some people actually say

He is and he’s just a misunderstood or that he’s a good guy

[snow mauve]

I mean the kids

Are misunderstanding him

Because clearly he's just collecting coins away from the cultists

As he still have beef with em

[safe charm]

Well he’s not some anti hero imo

[snow mauve]

Yeah he's of course not

[safe charm]

Well he does get rid of cultist

But other than that no

[snow mauve]

He's no hero

But also no villian

(Sorta only cuz Nicky gets in the way)

Which is deserved

[ripe berry]

Also I like how Nicky's route for getting through Act 1 in AS means he canonically used the glitch to grab chairs on the other side of doors

[grim tundra]

I always did that lol

So nostalgic

[snow mauve]

I just realized something

Ted knew Trinity is diabetic

Because ep4 he learned that trinity likes non sugar food

When he tried out the cupcake

Man that makes so much more sense now for ep5 to why he made the cookies in the first place

[ripe berry]

Poison lore:

[snow mauve]

Btw I can't stop thinking that Ted

Licked a half eaten cupcake

From a child's spit (Nicky)

[ripe berry]

Hello, Trinity. You can call me Theo. I've made something for your family. A welcome..

[pliant estuary]

Tell anyone you want...
They'll never believe you

[shell gull]

How did he know The Cupcakes came from her House?

[snow mauve]

Easy

She working with Nicky

Duh

Even he knows that she's helping Nicky

[shell gull]

True true

[pliant estuary]

yes because he assumes the random cupcake he found in his yard is from the bales house, and he (aka master baker Ted) can tell if something is sugar free just by barely touching it with his tongue.

[stiff spire]

he should've became a baker instead of a theme park designer

[hazy slate]

that one christmas butcher outfit:

[reef orbit]

no it's not??

ted isn't part of the cult

[crude dew]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-luigi-nintendo-frustrated-sigh-gif-4524048

me checking in here and leaving instantly

[ripe berry]

Neither is Quentin

and yet we have footage of it helping Quentin obviously against the Cult's wishes

and there's only so many things "You're trapped in it now, just like me." that Ted says in a public AS Storyboard could mean

and I never said Ted is a part of the Cult

The Guest is using Ted (ok I misworded it), but Ted is against the Cult, and the Cult worships the Guest

[carmine owl]

did hn2 happen before hn1?

[bleak spear]

No it happens right after act 2’s ending

[shell gull]

Eh, Yes but No, The Guest is obviously using The Cult for Power, problem part of that so Ted is trying to stop The Cult, meaning The Guest would be against Ted, but also Not since he doesn’t really care about The Cult.

[shell gull]

It would’ve been a Stupid move to do something to Ted, wouldn’t make sense even if he’s a Peterson.

[carmine owl]

that doesnt make sense in my opinion

[shell gull]

They took Quentin because he Knew too Much, Ted always knew too much, and so they can’t handle much with him, and plus it’s Theodore, super Smart Guy who is a literal Brute.

[ripe berry]

HN1 Act 2: Nicky escapes, we hear the sounds of someone else escaping

[carmine owl]

that could be quentin right?

or his son?

[ripe berry]

HN2: No Missing Posters of Nicky other then in the News Station, Aaron is shown escaping in the intro

(Aaron is the son's name btw)

[shell gull]

Yes it does?, Nicky escaped, Ted heard the Glass Shatter in the House (Aaron), Nicky went back home, Aaron try’s to Escape and Fails, but Quentin caught it on Camera.

[carmine owl]

yea i forgor

[carmine owl]

we never saw nickys parents in the games

or yet in the series

[shell gull]

Mhm

[carmine owl]

idrk

wait

[shell gull]

The Cops appear at Teds House, wasn’t because of Quentin because he Lost his evidence but because Nicky ran back home and his Parents found out what happened, Via why they come the very next Day, and Ted also Fled.

[carmine owl]

im talking about hn1

not2

oh yea

he fled into the museum

[shell gull]

Yeah IK just adding to that, but also HN1 Doesn’t connect to HN2 anyways, HN1 was apart of the Old Lore which is now retired for the Cartoon Show, HN2 is apart of that Canon.

[ripe berry]

the timeline for HN Stuff (again) is as follows: HNHS, AS Ep. 1-4, HE, AS Ep. 5, Start of HN2, HN2 Late Fees DLC, SN, AS Ep. 6, HN2 starting from the nighttime part of the Intro, rest of AS with HN1 there as Nicky getting therapy as a adult

or well for the most part

[carmine owl]

oh yea

[shell gull]

Most part being we don’t know the Rest and also the Whole other Lore Canon that we finished.

[ripe berry]

that and if I wanted to I could go in-depth with it but I'm not going to

[carmine owl]

i think i need to redo hn1 and 2 + the series

that i know more of the lore

then

[ripe berry]

and (this is a theory I've seen some people (like that guy who was in the chat last night) propose) shortly after HNHS a version of the Act 1 intro occurs which starts Nicky's investigation into Mr. Peterson

[shell gull]

Based on what we have after Ep 4, my guess is a similar things to the Books, Nobody beloved Trinity except R.S. So they all get together to stop Ted in his tracks, R.S. Slowly start thinking it’s bad what they are doing but Trinity doesn’t, they end up Saving Nicky, they Run home, Aaron follows suit but ends up getting Caught, but Quentin catches him on Camera before hand.

[shell gull]

Honestly that would make sense.

[ripe berry]

I mean if you heard screams coming from your Neighbor's House and saw him seeming in the middle of a fight and locking up a door with haste and then not hear those screams on the following days you'd probably assume he just murdered or kidnapped someone

[carmine owl]

the alphas dont involve lore right?

[shell gull]

I still hope they have some Backstory for Nicky where maybe he gets pressed and forced to reveal that he was actually Friends with Aaron and Mya and so was R.S.

[ripe berry]

Old lore no, Alphas weren't canon, but it seems in some form the alphas are canon now

[shell gull]

I’m guessing after they save Nicky their going to try and influence their Own HND and make it to where His Eye color Changed and Lost his Memory, which is why Trinity was holding hands with him, so she could guide him out.

[ripe berry]

Like the events of AS Ep. 4 are somewhat similar to the Announcement Trailer for HN1

In HN1 Announcement Trailer The Player Tricks Ted to get to the Key, then Ted finds him, chases him, a window gets broken with a chair and another window is broken, then the Player gets to the Basement, almost gets in, then the Neighbor attacks the Player
In AS Ep. 4 Nicky leaving the Cupcake distracts Ted long enough to get to the Key, then Ted finds him, chases him, a window gets broken and another window is broken with a chair, then Nicky gets to the Basement, almost gets in, then the Neighbor attacks Nicky

[shell gull]

Makes sense why they would reference that.

[carmine owl]

hope HE doesnt involve lore but if i hope not alot

[ripe berry]

Hello Engineer has lore but trust me when I say that lore gets pretty wild

(Books also get pretty wild)

[carmine owl]

im defo not gon read books

[snow mauve]

Well lucky for you, they're not canon anymore

The Animated Series is the new lore now that you can go watch it on YouTube for free

[carmine owl]

welp

i need to rewatch it anyway

[snow mauve]

There's new episodes already out

[carmine owl]

yea

ik

[snow mauve]

Plus next week we will get another episode

Alr

[snow mauve]

Incorrect

It is the new lore now

As if that's the first time they've done it

Little kids?

So blood

Is for kids?

And other shit

Yeah

So you're saying

It's fine for kids huh?

Dumbass

jk

[white zenith]

When will the new Hello Neighbor 2 Update?

Oh

[snow mauve]

Incorrect

It's coming this month

Since it's a Halloween update

Yes really

https://youtu.be/OsgsnxOwNdg?si=B1Wsi8qBGWmXUMsW

Btw when I say "Halloween update" I don't really mean

An update with just Halloween

Decorations

No

The update is gonna be a content expansion

[snow mauve]

Continuing story and gameplay

Yep

https://youtu.be/W9a_zMzzgAM?si=KYc3FPY9thUOxcWu

This is for the Halloween update

[snow mauve]

Showing the cutscene

After the cliffhanger ending

[snow mauve]

It's in it's wip, that's why it looks off

Yeah?

Dude

I told you

The video

Is in it's wip

It won't look like that in the final version

[hazy slate]

I believe that is simply a mock up as they are changing the model

[silver cargo]

It would be pretty interesting to see a mechanic, that the guest just walks in frams, in your vision.
On the other hand, it would feel as if the FPS had just dropped.

[shell gull]

Wait a Minute…

“Who”

…

Mr. Murtaugh: Skinny, Wears Gloves and is Tall.

The Guest: Skinny, Wears Gloves and is Tall.

(This is just a Crazy Theory not serious at all Btw, we know The Guest is an Entity…Hopefully)

[leaden knoll]

It better still be an Entity if not then... 😭

[snow mauve]

"Shadow man"

(Alex legit confirming it will make an appearance in AS)

[shell gull]

Yeah.

[shell gull]

I mean, I’d imagine after Nicky escapes he starts seeing The Thing.

[snow mauve]

True

Tho I remember seeing

The Thing drawings

In one of ep6 teasers

[shell gull]

Hmmm

[quaint vault]

Can someone explain Mayak to me (I missed a lot of Hello Guest lore)

[strange lance]

Ok so

The weather station known as Mayak was built by the neighbor's parents; Adelle and Rodger peterson, to study weather and meterology of raven brooks since it's very strange in the town. Raven brooks had strange weather BEFORE mayak. Not much else is know about mayak besides these things.

It can change the weather in the town and cause purple storms.

It has the ability to create pocket dimensions as seen in hello engineer, when Ted paired Mayak's power with the observatory.

It can cause time loops, but NOT time travel, as also seen in hello engineer, reset day, and with norman darby.

We don't know how mayak can do these things, but it can.

[snow mauve]

Hello guest is NOT canon to any timeline btw (if you think it is)

[strange lance]

The cultists in the books, with their luck devices, used the weather to power their luck/bad luck. However, it is not the weather itself that causes the bad luck, it is the one who is holding the device

And then they failed in the end

Got arrested

[quaint vault]

Is Hello Guest part of old lore?

[strange lance]

No

[snow mauve]

Nope

[strange lance]

It was something else that got scrapped

[snow mauve]

Hello guest was never supposed to fit in any lore

[snow mauve]

Yea

It's rather meant to be Hello Neighbor 2 pre alpha

[quaint vault]

And what's the difference between the story in Hello Guest and Hello Guest (Hello Neighbor 2 pre-alpha)

[strange lance]

Here's mayak's power paired with the observatory

[snow mauve]

They're the same i guess

[strange lance]

HGa1 and hn2 alpha 1 were the same story/game

When alpha 1.5 came out that is when the actual hn2 story started

[quaint vault]

Is this timeline still correct?

[snow mauve]

Uh I think that's outdated

[strange lance]

Let me see

[quaint vault]

It says that Hello neighbor 2 takes place in 2016

[strange lance]

Uh

That is not right

[snow mauve]

That is very false

Hello neighbor 2 takes place in 1996

[strange lance]

Here's all the mayak designs

Top left is AS (not original lore) top right is from gn2, bottom left is original design, bottom right is mayak fake from scrapped Hello engineer version

[quaint vault]

Is Mayak canon?

[safe charm]

Yes

[snow mauve]

Yes

[strange lance]

Yes

[snow mauve]

It's still canon

[strange lance]

In both continuties mayak is there

[quaint vault]

But Hello Guest isn't?

[safe charm]

No

It’s an Alpha

[strange lance]

Here's a full timeline of events @quaint vault

[strange lance]

It was an entirely disconnected game

[snow mauve]

You do realize Mayak existed BEFORE hello guest

[quaint vault]

??

[snow mauve]

Oh wait

[strange lance]

You might have to zoom in lol

[snow mauve]

Did I misunderstood you

[quaint vault]

lol

[quaint vault]

I thought that Mayak was from Hello Guest

[snow mauve]

Yea

[strange lance]

Mayak has changed locations a lot

It's always either by the park, in the park, or by a pond

Or in a forest

[snow mauve]

I really love each mayak designs

Except gn2

[quaint vault]

When was the first reference to Mayak

[snow mauve]

That one just didn't stood out to me

[strange lance]

In a art piece by Nikita (the creator or hn)

It was a "lighthouse" originally

Despite looking nothing like one

[thorn rover]

I have some stupid but also cool theory, what if in the deepest part of the basement there is time machine that neighbor used to use? And after all he used it too much, and he was stuck in time loop, that's why Nicky sees his backstory in HN1, the neighbor used this time machine too much, and he created anomaly (the thing) who was ruining his life as much as it can, then it tries to ruin Nicky's life, but he defended himself, and at the end of the game the neighbor is stuck in time loop, where he has his family again, the wife dies, Maya dies, and the cicle is reapeting again, and again, and again...

[glacial whale]

The thing is just fear and not real

[snow mauve]

Y'know the thing isn't real

He's just a fear

[thorn rover]

Yeah, but to me it's not good that he's just a fear, so I want something more

[snow mauve]

You got the guest

🤷

[thorn rover]

The guest is not the point, the thing has no physical body, the guest has it

And they're not the same

[glacial whale]

Well I don’t like it but it’s just fear

Unless that gets retconned

[ripe berry]

Mini Theory: I think I have a idea on what exactly is going on in the Green Tape. So in the Tape we hear what sounds like a Train, some unknown repeating sounds, some distorted Crow Noises (prehaps the Guest?) and then after a bit we hear something activate and then electrical noises. My idea is this: the tape shows MJ trying to kill the Guest. the Train limits this to being near train tracks, and there's a odd part of the Train Tracks that goes underwater. The unknown repeating sound is a Bomb of some kind and the electrical noises is from some kind of electrical device being dropped into the Water because if you've seen that scene from Groundhog's Day I think you may have a idea. and the Yellow Tape has TV Sounds and Animal Noises, perhaps this is MJ trying to figure out which sound lures the Guest in to play that sound in the Green Tape

No matter if it's MJ or not I think that the Green Tape definitely contains some kind of Bomb being exploded on the Train Tracks

[quaint vault]

Does anyone know whether the 2 graphic novels are canon in the new lore?

[ripe berry]

Cool theory, but one small problem: Hello Engineer takes place after AS Episode 4 and shows Ted trying to figure out how to travel back in time

[manic dirge]

so im guessing the gn2 mayak is cannon to old lore? i could be wrong

[ripe berry]

Probably not, but there's a possibility they are

[manic dirge]

they arent

i would consider the GNs old lore

and not new lore

[quaint vault]

What about Lucy Yi, is she part of the new lore?

[ripe berry]

and again this is just a theory I could be completely wrong about this

[ripe berry]

yes

[manic dirge]

yea

still dead

[ripe berry]

There's gonna be a whole season 2 Episode around her

[quaint vault]

Even though she was introduced in the books?

[manic dirge]

some aspects are still cannon

[quaint vault]

Ok

[manic dirge]

like how nicky got kidnapped by ted

[silver cargo]

Allright, who is Lucy Yi?

[manic dirge]

or that mya is dead

[ripe berry]

Some girl who died at one of the Neighbor's Amusement Parks

[manic dirge]

she is a 7 year old girl in the hn books who died on the rotten core roller coaster (which ted made the rotten core)

[ripe berry]

causing one of the biggest companies in RB to collapse because dang Mr. Peterson has a amazing lawyer

[silver cargo]

Ah.

[ripe berry]

Like bro admits to purposefully not putting in safety breaks and still somehow wins the court case

[silver cargo]

Allright, thx for the info.

[silver cargo]

Weird.

[manic dirge]

hold on. what made lucy die on the rotten core?

[ripe berry]

The cart went too fast and she was flung into a tree from what I remember

at a turn I mean

that's what I remember it being at least

[manic dirge]

oh ok

[ripe berry]

a place where Safety Breaks would probably be important in a actual Roller Coaster

[quaint vault]

Is HN1 part of new lore?

[ripe berry]

AS and all of HN2 is new lore

SN is also new lore (or will be on October 26th)

yep

[quaint vault]

Because of the Quentin/Mr.Otto Update?

[ripe berry]

Late Fees plot is referenced by the RBBArchives and I managed to figure out how to make the Back to School plot work with the AS and RBBArchives school lore

[ripe berry]

yep

HNHS works in either lore with no problems

and HN1 probably only exists in AS as Nicky getting therapy to explain the inconsistencies between the game and AS

and I have 0 clue how HE fits

References to a unkown device under the Library along with giving a base reason for Quentin to go there (Library Cards were wiped by mistake)

well a base reason other then the restricted sections

[quaint vault]

So Old Lore: HN1, HNH&S, SN, Books, Graphic Novels. New Lore: HN2, HN: WTRB, SN. Is that correct?

[ripe berry]

yep

tho HE is also in Old Lore because yes it has lore

just most of that lore is not immeidately obvious

if you pay close attention you can infer that during HE Ted is trying to figure out how to create time loops and travel back in time

[quaint vault]

What about VR?

[ripe berry]

and then in the ending we see him try to use the Rescue Squad as test subject, sending them to Sandbox Mode

and on the board behind Ted he has a Clock, a Lightning Bolt, and a Infinity Symbol

[ripe berry]

Also old lore

Nicky saves Aaron in AS Lore

and have you seen HNVR Ending

It's the Act 2 Intro but something that's not seen in Act 2 happens

Alex officially stated as such

it'll be in Episode 6

and also what's the Kids doing in the GAAP

in HE I mean

[quaint vault]

I never saw it

[ripe berry]

Well you see

they're in some kind of contest as a young Inventor's Club, and the car they're building for the Contest needs some more parts, so they decide to go to the GPAP to scavenge for the parts they need to finish the car

*GAAP

most of HE is imagination but has hints to what's really happening inside of it

yep

They're scavenging for parts in the park Ted is happening to use as a testing grounds for the time loops

[ripe berry]

and also if you're wondering how the kids escape Sandbox

Basically it seems they build a rocket which somehow gets them out of the Sandbox Realm

HE is old lore since Ivan only turns 10 after HE based off the post-game images in the credits

yep

Well he figures it out but gives up

as he states in GN2

"I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you? all you can do is build a new future"

Guest is possessing Ted and somehow has access to his knowledge of the time loops

[ripe berry]

but in AS Ivan is older then that or else why is he in the Middle School

Ted figured out how but gave up before actually doing it

so the time loop was started by the Guest

yes

Imma hop off for a bit, brb

Sorry for hopping off for a bit something was bothering me so I had to go do smth rq

yeah it's too bad they cut old lore at the last second

Also fun fact: Reset Day doesn't need a sequel because if you think about it the Book itself is a time loop

Because the Cover of the book is the end

[ripe berry]

So the book begins and ends in the same exact spot

Yeah but iirc the writer said they ain't making anymore HN Books

yeah

but still I'm just saying the main book series is over

a GN3 could exist but not a Book 8

yeah

[languid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-gif-22677627

[quaint vault]

Sorry it deleted it

Old Lore:
Hello Neighbor: The Secret of Bosco Bay (Graphic Novel #1)
Hello Neighbor: Bad Blood (Book #4)
Hello Neighbor: Grave Mistakes (Book #5)
Hello Neighbor: Puzzle Master (Book #6)
Hello Neighbor: Missing Pieces (Book #1)
Hello Neighbor: Hide & Seek
Hello Neighbor: Waking Nightmare (Book #2)
Hello Neighbor: Buried Secrets (Book #3)
Hello Neighbor: Act 1
Hello Engineer
Hello Neighbor: Search & Rescue
Hello Neighbor: Act 2
Hello Neighbor: The Raven Brooks Disaster (Graphic Novel #2)
Hello Neighbor: Act 3
Hello Neighbor: Diaries
Hello Neighbor: Reset Day (Book #7)

New Lore:
Hello Neighbor: Welcome To Raven Brooks Season 1
Secret Neighbor
Hello Neighbor 2

lol

Thanks!

[ripe berry]

Hello Engineer is it's proper title

[quaint vault]

Where does it go in old lore?

[ripe berry]

If you've seen the HNVr you'd know ||Aaron is basically gone||

so it'd have to be Nicky

[ripe berry]

||The Guest kidnaps Aaron and puts him in the nest where it's implied he ides||

||*dies||

def before HNVR

Because it gives a mini-character arc for the Rescue Squad

[quaint vault]

Ok I fixed it

[ripe berry]

in Book 3 they betray Nicky, then in HE they face karma for it (Trapped in the Sandbox Realm for like a month), then they decide to go back and rescue Nicky in HNVR

[shell gull]

We don’t know if people in The Nest Die though.

[livid vigil]

Idk anything about hn lore so can someone explain it too me

[brisk urchin]

Neighbor has 2 kids and a wife, wife dies in car crash, one child goes insane and accidentally pushes the other child off the roof of the house, killing her, the Neighbor gets mad and locks the kid in the basement, Nicky Roth notices what’s happening and tries to break in, etc.

After that things get kinda wierd, but that’s the gist of it.

[brisk urchin]

Is that enough?

[livid vigil]

Yeah thanks 😊

[strange lance]

even if Aaron did live on in the original hn2, he still would've died in some way cause he does not appear after that at all

Ted is all alone

in gn2 he has nothing left so he floods the town

bye bye Aaron

[snow mauve]

There's more than that

Than just the basic lore you explained

[brisk urchin]

He’s just new, I wouldn’t want to confuse him.

[livid vigil]

No I play a lot I just don’t get the clues 😅

[snow mauve]

Well

[snow mauve]

You can watch the animated Series

On YouTube

It has some lore in it

Plus it's the new lore now

[livid vigil]

Yeah I did but I’m still a bit confused

[snow mauve]

On what exactly?

I can try to explain it to you

[livid vigil]

Yeah that would be nice

[snow mauve]

Alright so

What are you confused on?

[shell gull]

Well most of the Games are apart of the Old Lore now, so it’s mainly Hello Neighbor 2 and Secret Neighbor, the Animated Series should Sort of put the Story for you and even if your confused your gonna want to wait for the Series to get Closure so everything fits together.

[livid vigil]

Oh ok

[blazing latch]

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[reef orbit]

they could probably interpret them into new lore

somehow

they'd have to remake hn2 ted's basement into the giant maze amusement park thing

or if they were to fully commit to making the games cannon to new lore they could exlain that as nicky's broken memory just like they did in act 2

[blazing latch]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

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[reef orbit]

well yeah

those are like the only games lol

and H&S

that's literally the backstory

that's been told countless times

so that could be new lore as well as old lore

[strange lance]

Except mya's death is now the cults fault and not aarons

And Hn1 does not fit with the new lore at all

Not in the slightest

And neither does hnvr

[safe charm]

Not literally just by curse

They didn’t physically kill her

[strange lance]

Erm you don't know that...

I know they didn't physically kill her lmao

But it's their fault now. They are the reason

That is a fact

[snow mauve]

They bad lucked her

[safe charm]

Okay who cares really?

[strange lance]

Me cleary? It takes away the impact of the original death

Instead of it being Aaron so angry and venting about the death of his mother and everything that had been happening causing him to go overboard and kill his own sister.

It's now oh yeah it's the cultists fault everything is now always the cultists fault

Bad luck oooooo

That's bad writing

It's shit writing

And I will always stand by that

[thin wadi]

This is usually not a good question to ask

People have reasons why they care about something

[strange lance]

Who caaares about the entire story being changed that you've theorized over for years. Who caaares about being lied to throughout development. Who caaares about being scammed. Just brush it off guys jeeez

This mindset is awful

He literally gets taken away by the guest into the void

He ain't running away

[quaint vault]

Does anyone have an explanation for the ending of Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha 1? (I don't understand it)

[strange lance]

it didn't mean anything. It was kinda like a placeholder ending since hn2 alpha 1 was part of hello guest as a chapter, so something else would've happened in the ending instead

most likely the neighbor fake ending

[quaint vault]

Was the Neighbor intended to be the Guest?

[strange lance]

in hello guest yes

it was just ted in the costume

[snow mauve]

Originally yes for hello guest

[quaint vault]

Ok

[rich hinge]

We don't know for sure, I think a thought that Guest could transform into other people might be a thing for HG storyline at least.

[shell gull]

Yes, as Hello Guest was the First Appearance of The Guest, in Hello Guest the Plot was after Act 2 Mr. Peterson ran off to the G.A.A.P. Disguised in the Crowman Costume which was then The Guest.

[snow mauve]

Guest being Ted sounds so lame as hell tho

Rather have a creature guest than some guy wearing a bird outfit

When I see a liar named Tinybat:

Bro is scared to talk

[manic dirge]

ong

[shell gull]

Eh, I disagree kinda.

[hazy slate]

huh?

[snow mauve]

He reacted the emojis with dislikes but then just removed them

Then started lying by agreeing when afro agreed with me (by upvoting)

[shell gull]

HG was just Ted going super depressed and turning Skinny and hiding, HN2 had a fair share of how the Story built up.

[snow mauve]

Cuz hello guest lore is lame

The idea of Ted wearing the guest outfit is like I said before just "lame"

[stiff spire]

I'd imagine the Guest being the Neighbor reveal would've played out like a Scooby-Doo scenario

[reef orbit]

those exact lines have been said in this chat before

idk if it was you or it's just a coincidence

but those exact words have been said

[stiff spire]

that was probably me I did say the Guest Neighbor reveal being like scooby-doo at some point before as well

[manic dirge]

well technically in GN2 ted is wearing the guest outfit

[reef orbit]

Well you're totally right

I just got the weirdest deja vu from that xd

I always thought that one trailer where he was throwing the costume into the fire was ted defeating the guest and disposing of the costumd

That was a theory that i had

[snow mauve]

That is incorrect

Ted didn't wear the outfit, he instead got possessed by the Guest

After the Guest drowned Ted underwater

[snow mauve]

Okay you must've not understand clearly

He clearly did in fact die in GN2

And then in reset day

When piper gets the image of him on her phone

That was the guest messaging her the whole time

While controlling Ted's body

Ted pretty much did die

And his body got possessed from the Guest

[shell gull]

Yeah but this Theory wouldn’t work with E.O.M. While yes E.O.M. Is also a Theory, everything is pointing towards it being right, this Theory wouldn’t work with it though since The Guest would be dead without his Host, out of everything I think The Guest is just keeping Ted alive so he doesn’t die from the Old Age while he Possesses him.

[strange lance]

The drowning scene, while it did happen, is a metaphor for Ted giving in to the guest, to his bad side. We see this in the 1.5 ending with Ted's good side trapped and locked away in the attic (the mind/head of the house) while the guest is on the outside, not letting anyone save Ted and taking over his life

If Ted had died then it would not be possession, and those metaphors given to us would be useless

[safe charm]

In 1.5 does mr Peterson going

From guest kid to himself mean

Anything

Because guest kid disappears and than mr Peterson comes up and starts banging on the door

[hollow parrot]

Can someone explain what’s going on

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor lore

That's all

[hollow parrot]

O cs I’m new to hn lore

And I’m wondering where does this start

[strange lance]

Are you ready

Ok read all of this. It's all in chronological order from top to bottom.

Have fun reading

[snow mauve]

NO!

Watch AS!

NOWWWWW

NEW LORE

= EASY

[strange lance]

True

Ok so

These kids right

[snow mauve]

Impressive document btw

[strange lance]

They think the neighbor is a killer

So

[snow mauve]

Because they're dumbasses

[strange lance]

Thank you

Yeah so the killer (NEIGHBOR!!!) has "killed" his kids and like collects coins around town and that's it

Oh yeah and the cult is there

They do stuff

That's new lore in a nutshell

Stuff just happens

[snow mauve]

Neighbor man hates cult and cult hates Ted

So it's a 1v1

Both nemesis

[quaint vault]

Are the graphic novels old lore?

[snow mauve]

Yes

[quaint vault]

Which means that in the old lore The Neighbor is The Guest?

[snow mauve]

No

The guest possesses the Neighbor

[quaint vault]

Oh

[snow mauve]

In the Graphic Novel

[quaint vault]

GN #2 right?

[snow mauve]

Yep

[quaint vault]

In the underwater scene

[snow mauve]

Yep

He drowned him to death

Then possess his body

[quaint vault]

Is HN 2 Alpha 1 old lore or new lore?

[snow mauve]

Hn2 alphas mean nothing

To any lore

[quaint vault]

Oh ok

[snow mauve]

They're just random stories

[strange lance]

The hn2 alphas are not canon but alpha 1.5 teased the possession stuff

[snow mauve]

Too bad Ted fake disappearance concept is barely touched in the full game

[quaint vault]

Is the Raven Brooks Banner Website canon in the new lore?

[snow mauve]

Yes

It revealed some lore

About the original missing journalist

Before Quentin was the new replacement journalist

With other town citizens

[quaint vault]

Who was that?

I didn't see that part

[snow mauve]

This guy

That was revealed since hn2 demo

[quaint vault]

Oh

So when Hello Neighbor 2 starts Quentin is his replacement?

[snow mauve]

He also have a connection

With Otto

[snow mauve]

Yes

After his disappearance

Which is still unknown how he disappeared

Hopefully at some point, the game could reveal how he disappeared

[quaint vault]

Missing Truth Seeker is the final news story on the page, does that mean that it's the first story that Quentin wrote?

[snow mauve]

Quentin never lived in raven brooks

He lived in a big city

Until he started visiting raven brooks and became a replaced journalist

[quaint vault]

So did he work at The Banner at the same time as the missing journalist?

[snow mauve]

Yeah

Which Quentin seem confused at first

To how he got into the banner

After getting knocked out by Mr. Peterson

[quaint vault]

So why does Quentin move to Raven Brooks?

[manic dirge]

oh srry i forgot

[snow mauve]

Because he took the job

To become a journalist

Plus wanted to investigate the missing kids incident

(Aaron and Mya)

[quaint vault]

After the other journalist went missing?

[snow mauve]

Correct

[quaint vault]

Ok that makes sense

In the first story it says that Gerda was on of the trick or treaters from Alpha 1.5

[snow mauve]

Yep

She's the alien kid girl

Who got found

[quaint vault]

I know that Alpha 1.5 is non-canon, but does that mean that part of the story did happen in the new lore?

[snow mauve]

Eh

Sorta

Only the Halloween kids disappearance thing

That's all

[quaint vault]

So not the Neighbor

[snow mauve]

Yeah

[quaint vault]

And in the new lore version Quentin wasn't there. Correct?

[snow mauve]

Yep

Hello neighbor 2 starts where Quentin becomes a journalist for the first time

[quaint vault]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

And visiting raven brooks for the first time

[quaint vault]

In the new lore version was it still the Guest who kidnapped the trick or treaters?

[snow mauve]

It's unknown how the trick or treaters disappeared

But the guest could maybe the reason

Because the crow kid is still missing

[quaint vault]

I was hoping (because of that storyline being confirmed partial canon) that we might get a new version of Alpha 1.5 for the halloween update

Like a flashback or something

Do you think that would happen?

[snow mauve]

I doubt it to be honest

Because it seems like

The update will just continue

Quentin's journey

After the cliffhanger ending

[quaint vault]

After he gets kidnapped by the forest protectors

[snow mauve]

Yep

Aka the cultists

[quaint vault]

Right

Is it confirmed that the AS is part of the same universe as Hello Neighbor 2?

[snow mauve]

Well Alex (CEO of Tinybuild) did mention the animated series

Being connected with hello neighbor 2

Like you're going to see Quentin for a little bit

And the Guest (in later episodes)

Mostly for his lore and main appearance

Not to mention in episode 3 we've just seen each hello neighbor 2 characters

Otto, Gerda, and The Mayor

And of course Officer Leslie (Keith's partner)

[quaint vault]

And is Secret Neighbor going to be part of the same universe (after october 26th)?

[snow mauve]

It seems like it

Since one of the devs said something about

Changing the story or something due to Quentin and Otto being in the game

[quaint vault]

The Neighbors house looks different in HN2, WTRB and SN

[snow mauve]

Yeah

I'm not really sure how it makes sense

For it to connect each other

Also secret neighbor is just the kids imagination, the house is not real (I'm not sure if that's still canon)