lore-discussion

[safe charm]

And where it came from

Did it just spawn

Oh was gn2 supposed to be after or before hn2

Now it’s retconned

How did he turn back into ted

In hn2

No but like beta was old lore

I think

Oh

That sucks

I wanted possession storyline

It was cool

How did guest even posses ted

Just by strangling him

Underwater

Was alpha 2 old lore?

Oh okay but If alpha 2 was old

How did he turn back

Into ted

But but what his dead

Is alpha 1 old lore

And 1.5

But mr Peterson is implied

To be the guest in it

Soo

Like possessed

Don’t tell

Still lol

So in 1.5

What is the ending with ted

Symbolizing

Him stuck behind a door

In the guest?

Like possessed

Damn I want old lore back

😭

But it won’t come back

New lore just isn’t as intriguing imo

Ik

The guest would be the center since mr Peterson

Is possesed

Unfortunately it still ended up with the neighbor as always

With guest being

A cameo

So

In hnvr

Did guest temporarily posses Aaron or not

Ik

And I’m interested in it

Lol

I don’t accept new lore as canon

New lore is an au imo

Ik hn2 is new lore

[gentle elm]

Me neither

[teal imp]

same

[hazy slate]

I wish HN2 would get converted to old lore and AS would explode

there is zero saving the AS

[teal imp]

I agree but I doubt anything is gonna happen until its too late to undo the damage

[crude dew]

fair wish
or they could just make it an alternate universe and literally everything would get solved

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[safe charm]

@strange lance

Hi

[strange lance]

I am here

[safe charm]

Hi

[strange lance]

[safe charm]

So I watched hnvr again maybe this will count as a guest question lol

But is mr Peterson getting chased and cornered while crying by guest

Symbolizing manifestation

[snow mauve]

What you mean?

[safe charm]

Like in the ending where guest chases him

Is it symbolic to his grief

[snow mauve]

What about it?

Idk he's just running away that he's afraid to look at

Which honestly guest sucks

W take from the neighbor

[safe charm]

So was guest formed by Aaron emotions

Too

Or only teds

[snow mauve]

Hush child

[strange lance]

I feel like I and others have had this exact convo many times and it's always the same answer

It was just Ted

[safe charm]

Many believed

It was both originally

[snow mauve]

I swear this Trinityyy guy (Guestyyy) always ask the same ahh questions

Which is so annoying

Like it's already been explained several times

[safe charm]

Blabla

Seriously

I never asked this question that many times

Not the Aaron thing

[snow mauve]

Boy what 💀

Yes you have

[strange lance]

Ted create guest, guest manipulates Aaron to get to Ted aka his creator

It's that simple

[safe charm]

I asked about manifestation

[strange lance]

He just used Aaron

[snow mauve]

There trinityyy

There's your answer

Now stop asking questions

[safe charm]

Depkis shush

[snow mauve]

Nah

[safe charm]

Anyways do you like the manifestation theory im mixed on it

[snow mauve]

And you still asking questions

Oh my lord

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[strange lance]

Depkis literally like started the whole manifestation thing did he not lmao

[snow mauve]

What?

[safe charm]

Nah

[snow mauve]

Me?

[safe charm]

He did not

[snow mauve]

Huh

[strange lance]

I swear it was you for some reason 😭

[safe charm]

I think sh1mpnut

[snow mauve]

First off I got the whole Manifestation info thing from you

[safe charm]

Or Michaelhuff

[snow mauve]

Actually no wait

It was sh1mpnut

Who said the Manifestation thing

[strange lance]

Ah

I'm pretty sure most people here believe that's what guest is anyway now since it's pretty obvious

Agony creature

[safe charm]

Alex said the defenitive version of the story accross hn1 he hn2 sn when talking about guest

Does that mean guest is in he

Like physically

I guess he means the statue in the park

[safe charm]

He could as well just be a demon targeting ted and feeding off his emotions

I don’t see what goes against that

[snow mauve]

Or a summonable demon

Hn2 moment

[safe charm]

😭

[strange lance]

Ok but that is obviously not true lmao. That demon crap is for the AS/HN2 lore

Stop trying to mix new lorr and old lore

It does not mix

And shouldn't mix

[snow mauve]

That's what trinityyy likes to do sadly

He always overcomplicates crap

[safe charm]

Because AS is what they are gonna use

From now on

[snow mauve]

And thinks everything should be connected

[snow mauve]

We don't know if that's what they're doing

[safe charm]

Didn’t Alex say it’s the definitive story

In his guest post

[snow mauve]

Yes

[safe charm]

Soooo

[snow mauve]

So who the hell cares

AS ain't gonna do crap

[safe charm]

Hn2

[thin wadi]

Is the cult old lore or new lore?

[safe charm]

Both

It originated from old lore

[thin wadi]

Since I'm pretty sure hn2 is the only mention of the cult

[snow mauve]

Nope

[safe charm]

Is it old lore then

[thin wadi]

But then there's the forest protectors from the books

[snow mauve]

The books mentioned the cult before

[thin wadi]

Yeah

[snow mauve]

Yep

The cult thing ended in the books

But for whatever reason

[thin wadi]

But does the cult in New lore summon the guest? Because the guest is like a demon in New lore

[snow mauve]

It returned in hn2

[safe charm]

They got resurrected

[safe charm]

Bored

[snow mauve]

We do not know yet

[snow mauve]

No one knows trinityyy

Could you for once shut up

[safe charm]

No

[snow mauve]

About which is canon thing

When no one even knows yet

Like be patient for once

[safe charm]

Nah

[snow mauve]

God you're so annoying

And not that likeable

[safe charm]

👀

[safe charm]

I don’t care can you too shut up

[snow mauve]

Lmao

[safe charm]

Please

[snow mauve]

Nah bro

[thin wadi]

[safe charm]

[thin wadi]

Let's be respectful please

[safe charm]

Okay

[snow mauve]

Fine

[blazing latch]

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[weary mason]

who is g u e s t

who is

why is

meow meow

moew

[snow mauve]

A creature

[sturdy ore]

Maybe in future updates for hn2 in the lore the guest will morph into a new creature bc in reset day the character received a picture of a new form of the guest.

[snow mauve]

Doubt it tbh

[sturdy ore]

Ye but it's still a good theory

[snow mauve]

Wasn't in reset day

The guest is controlling Ted's body

After he possessed him in GN2

[safe charm]

Yes

[shell gull]

That’s because he Evolved

[rigid hill]

Is that a book

[snow mauve]

Yes that's from the books

[shell gull]

A Graphic Novel, called Hello Neighbor: Raven Brooks Disaster

[stiff spire]

raven brooks disaster was a cool name choice

[manic dirge]

when GN2 first came out i thought it was a fanmade book 💀

[silver vine]

I dont think it "ended", cuz book 7 had the cult as well

[snow mauve]

Oh wait

I forgot

My bad

[cunning sand]

Who is guest

Is he a demon orrrrrrr

[safe charm]

We dont know

But he isnt human

[cunning sand]

The wiki says hes mr peterson

Is it true or not

[safe charm]

Kinda but mostly

No

Mr Peterson gets possesed by him in gn2

So i guess you can say hes the guest but not in hn2 yet

[snow mauve]

No

It's false

Don't listen to the wiki for hello neighbor

It has misinformation and outdated stuff

Also the Guest is just a creature

He's not Mr. Peterson

But he did however, possessed Mr. Peterson's body

[cunning sand]

ok

[snow mauve]

Yep

That shit spreads misinfo

And outdated crap

[safe charm]

Future Updated wiki the guest was revealed to be depkis in AS

[stiff spire]

there's also some grammar mistakes too on some pages iirc

[snow mauve]

Something like what a 12 year old would right

[outer sand]

i'm, uh, well acquainted with the wiki owner
i might comb through the wiki and make it more accurate lol

[snow mauve]

Really?

[outer sand]

yeah, uh
you know who the wiki owner is, right?

[snow mauve]

Nope

[unkempt sleet]

Ok, So in Buried Secrets, The Golden Apple Amusement Park is demolished, theres not even a remnant
But then in HE (Which is supposedly the book lore) has Park just there, when its supposed to be demolished

[strange lance]

Yeah the books and games are slightly different for some reason

[snow mauve]

Remnant you say?

FNA-

[strange lance]

But it doesn't really matter

[snow mauve]

Least books are better than AS

[strange lance]

Cause HE still references reset day and reset day references gn2 which connects to HE as well

So yes they are still connected

[unkempt sleet]

Inconsistensies
Cool ig

[strange lance]

And HE has the book observatory from the park and in full release they updated it to look even more like the book one

So that thing of the park being completely gone in the books was probably changed to it just being abandoned

Cause you can't do much for games in a non existent park

[unkempt sleet]

Understandable

[blazing latch]

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[shell gull]

You do Realise they pretty much Retconned the Books too, as even Earth CO wasn’t present.

[safe charm]

Hi

Shimp

[shell gull]

Hello

[safe charm]

So mouseflash thinks

That in gn2 guest wrapped himself around ted trapping

Him inside the suit

Do you agree?

Im kinda conflicted om how the possession

Happened was it just ted giving in that made him possesed or did guest physicle merge with him

[shell gull]

I mean that’s a big leap but I can see it, problem is how does that cause Ted to go evil since he would then still be in Control just Trapped in a Suit, wouldn’t he be able to yell something like “Help Me” and we see that his Facial Emotions changed drastically after getting Drowned, that also causes problems to me that could easily be fixed and simplified so won’t get into that.

[safe charm]

So what do you Think

Happened

[shell gull]

I still think it’s Possession, I mean we’ve seen tons of signs of Possession based things.

[safe charm]

Yeah but like did we see it happen or not

Like was him choking ted him possesing him

[shell gull]

Him chocking him was to get him to stop fighting back, it wouldn’t be easy to take control and advantage of someone if they are defending and fighting back.

[safe charm]

So he just basically possesed him by going into him like a ghost

[unkempt sleet]

Ok?

[safe charm]

In movies

[strange lance]

Bro what I said still had to do with possession stop taking my words out of context guestyyy 😭

[safe charm]

What no?

[shell gull]

I’ve said many times it’s straight up Movie Fiction Logic

[strange lance]

What I was talking about was how Ted got in the suit not how he got possessed

He got possessed by being touched or something lmao

[safe charm]

Ohhh

[safe charm]

What lmao

[shell gull]

I was just saying it’s still Old Lore just some Retcon.

[strange lance]

Just like in Hnvr where all the guest does is touch ted and then boom he's in his head

[shell gull]

I think it’s just Fiction Logic, warp into him.

[unkempt sleet]

Ok i didnt said it wasnt i was just pointing out an inconsistency

[shell gull]

Ik

[safe charm]

Are we sure it was a connection in hnvr maybe it was him feeding off his regret and fear or something like that

[shell gull]

Yes

Like every other time

[safe charm]

Some still thinks gn2 is before original hn2

And not after

[safe charm]

Its weird how the

Possession would be after hn2

Was There supposed to be a hn3

[shell gull]

No.

It’s just Books.

[safe charm]

Are we sure gn2 isnt before like sure phones exist

But other then that

[shell gull]

No, it’s in the Future, how would it be before?

[safe charm]

My friend says its before

[safe charm]

Do they outright say that

[shell gull]

No, but it’s clear as day it’s in the Future.

[safe charm]

Ok but why tease neighbor being possesed in an alpha for hn2 doesnt matter if its not canon its still teasing it

[shell gull]

For the Books, it was an easy symbolic thing that would do with partial points in Old HN2.

[safe charm]

Thats a bit lame i love the Books

But i hoped it would be in hn2

[shell gull]

Too bad HN2 got Lore changed.

[safe charm]

Okay but the guest wasnt possesing

The neighbor Anyway in original hn2?

[shell gull]

Because, he didn’t have the need to do it.

There was no reason to Possess Him.

[safe charm]

Im not sure he actually made a connection with him in hnvr more looks like he was just torturing him

[shell gull]

He possessed him in GN2 because he was getting over his emotions, Via worsening The Guest, so as a last resort The Guest Possessed Him.

[snow mauve]

That's because he is

Torturing him

That's the whole point

[shell gull]

He did, that’s why Ted is sleep Deprived during Old HN2.

[shell gull]

Guest Lore in one sentence bru 💀

[safe charm]

Yes but some say he made a connection with him as well

[shell gull]

Because he did.

[snow mauve]

Cuz he is close to him now

Smh

[safe charm]

Is sleep deprived the only evidence?

[snow mauve]

Trinityyy you seriously don't believe us?

[safe charm]

Nope

[snow mauve]

When we're literally answering your damn question

💀

If you don't believe us then what's the point of asking

[shell gull]

They doesn’t believe practically anything.

[safe charm]

Well give me actual proof

[snow mauve]

We just did bro

[safe charm]

Instead of sleep deprived

[shell gull]

WE DID

[snow mauve]

How the hell can you be so stupid

[safe charm]

That means he

[snow mauve]

Like my god

[safe charm]

Got a connection with guest

[snow mauve]

Oh my god dude

Smh

That's what we just said

[safe charm]

Its not like hes not tired of being hunted by a bird demon

And escaping from the cops

[snow mauve]

...

[shell gull]

Not Hunted not a Demon.

And I have no words

[safe charm]

Speculation

[snow mauve]

The guest is creature first off not a demon

[snow mauve]

Your speculation sucks

[safe charm]

Ok

Cool

👏👏👏

[shell gull]

Outright goofy ahh.

[snow mauve]

Ironic how you just copied that from me

Just to fit in

[safe charm]

Yes

Ik

[snow mauve]

That's crazy

[safe charm]

I love mimicing

[shell gull]

We even see in RD he’s described as a Sagged Old Person who hasn’t slept in Years.

[snow mauve]

See this is why you're not likable trinityyy

[safe charm]

Also old lore is retconned anyway

Like whats the point tbh

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/done-gif-18736668

[shell gull]

Says the Person who’s explicitly asking Questions about Old Lore

[safe charm]

Yes

Stupid

Right

[shell gull]

Yeah “So what’s the Point”

[safe charm]

[snow mauve]

I guess he just wants attention and shit

[safe charm]

Omg

I just dont believe

Your theory

[snow mauve]

But why even ask then

💀

Lile we're literally helping you

[safe charm]

Becouse i wanted more evidence

[shell gull]

No it ain’t, Alex himself doesn’t know what’s Canon and they’ve already established Multiple AUs which ain’t that hard to understand it’s just Multiple Universes, not hard.

[snow mauve]

To piece together

[snow mauve]

There's not many evidence bro

Hello neighbor doesn't even share much crap

So why even bother asking???

When this is all we got

[safe charm]

Well idk

[strange lance]

Bruh what now

[shell gull]

Ted is Sleep Deprived after VR, and is described to never be able to sleep as something is in his Head Bothering Him.

[shell gull]

Trinityyy keeps denying the Obvious.

[safe charm]

Oh i missed that thanks

[snow mauve]

And just wants "more" evidence

[safe charm]

Then it makes sense

I thought it was just him being tired

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-ugh-gif-are-you-serious-are-you-kidding-me-seriously-gif-8399139167102133630

[strange lance]

Ted is literally on a giant pile of mattresses sleeping before he gets chased and the guest gets him

[shell gull]

Then after that literally can’t Sleep.

Symbolic of his final slep

GTG

[safe charm]

Please patch 9 give us old lore answers🙏

[safe charm]

Ok Bye

[snow mauve]

Never

[strange lance]

Why are we denying that the guest connects with Ted at the end of hnvr? We literally see it happen. The guest touches Ted and the feathers go around him

Then Ted escapes with the guest influencing him now

[safe charm]

Im not any longer

[strange lance]

Which lead to hn2

[safe charm]

And i wasnt i just didnt believe it

[safe charm]

Doesnt

[snow mauve]

I'm sorry who's "we"?

[safe charm]

The featheres just go around guest like when you switch basically

[snow mauve]

That's god damn trinityyy (guestyyy)

Who's denying it

[strange lance]

O

Oops lol

[snow mauve]

What?

[strange lance]

What, I just said oops I thought it was more people denying it

[snow mauve]

Nah

We're literally trying to shut trinityyy up

But apparently he can't shut up

[safe charm]

Depkis stop talking about me all the time please

[snow mauve]

Nah bro

It's the truth

[safe charm]

Yes

[snow mauve]

You're annoying as hell

[safe charm]

Stop

[snow mauve]

Why don't you just ever realize why you're so annoying

[safe charm]

Cool

😄

[eager glade]

Hey everyone, let's keep the conversation respectful and focused on the topic at hand. If there are any concerns or issues, feel free to message the moderators or the managment and it can be dealt with privately.

[safe charm]

Okay👍

[ripe berry]

Either way it has the same meaning

Also sorry for replying to a old comment but there's nothing really to talk about so I'm just tying up loose ends

[shell gull]

Lol

Agreed

[opal jackal]

They hated him because he said the truth

[lethal cliff]

..

[blazing latch]

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[safe charm]

Maybe AS will be good idk

[teal imp]

It wont

[gentle elm]

I have some faith, to be honest (i've waited too much for it), but yeah, i'm still disappointed.

[silver vine]

yes yes, and in the prologue of HE, it was revealed that the ground was covered in concrete and then the workers are removing it now

[silver vine]

I dont really see any similarities other than the dome tho

[strange lance]

Color changing floor tiles, the dome which was updated to have the fake skylight from the books, bunch of machines, close to/in the park, used as a base of operations, messes with weather

[ripe berry]

My Current HN2 Guest Timeline:
100 or more years before HN2: The Curse that is the Guest is cast onto the land that'd become Raven Brooks (Evidence: Ancient Curse Achievement name, Ancient usually refers to over 100 years old)
1937: The "War of Independence" occurs, Curse starting to take affect, Curse makes deal with the Mayor to help the town win the war (Evidence: HN1 TV Broadcast references a "60th Anniversary of the War of Independence", Fountain Symbols show the First deal was to capture someone, the Museum lines up too well with a late 1930's Manor to be a coincidence)
Post-1937: The Cult is founded, Rituals to worship the Curse begin
~1995: Cult fully awakens the Curse, Guest seems to turn on them based off of Nightmare #3 (Evidence: Old Tapes + the Crow in HNHS is likely retroactively the Guest)
1995: HNHS, Guest likely has Cult kill Diane and he himself sets up Mya's Death (Evidence: RBB Archives "Safest Road in RB" being where Diane died, the Crow in HNHS forces us to die to Aaron)
1996, a few days before HN2 starts: The Tape from MJ about his Guest investigation is filmed, MJ goes missing not too long after due to "getting too close to them" (Evidence: Quentin's Description from the Xbox/Playstation posts state a Journalist who is likely MJ "dissapeared overnight" + the thing sent to youtubers said MJ went missing because "He got too close to them")
and this is where we're at when HN2 Begins

Sorry for the text wall!

Also for that one guy the reason the Guest has a Cult Cloak is because he's technically, for a short period of time, a part of the Cult, + the Silver Coin with a Eye instead of the Golden one with a Golden Apple is to show he's a "higher rank" like... maybe their god?

[shell gull]

Alright the new Teaser, I’ll I wanted to say about it is it looks very similar to the AS Guest Cloak, also it has a Cult Symbol on it’s Button, so yeah confirmation that The Guest was working with the Cult, so Summoning Theory is still standing.

[safe charm]

Yeah but still confused what their doing

With him

[spark tulip]

Praise him.

[shell gull]

Well I don’t know about the Last Part, since Technically the G.A.C. Are only cherished as uses not symbols.

[safe charm]

No i mean

[shell gull]

They see him as a God.

[safe charm]

Storywise

[shell gull]

They want his Power

[safe charm]

Like with the guest

Talking about the writers

Im wondering what they will do with the guest

[ripe berry]

look closely at your pfp

[shell gull]

The Guest Realised this and takes advantage of it.

[shell gull]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

So yeah Higher Rank Makes sense

Since literally he’s their God

They cherish him.

[ripe berry]

Yeah

and Eye symbols connect to both the Guest AND the Cult

[shell gull]

Now before anyone says this can fit Old Lore AU, if Summoning is wrong.

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

The Fountain, the Park the Fountain is found within, and the THEYCROW Video link eyes to the Cult

[safe charm]

I just came to the conclusion that games is the canon

Now

With AS and books being AU

But still connected in somw ways

[shell gull]

There is no Canon everything is AU, everything is Canon to their AU.

[safe charm]

Thats not true

Show

[ripe berry]

the HN2 Alpha Map(Guest World), that one HN2 Beta promotional material, and now this links the Guest to the eyes

[safe charm]

Proof

[spark tulip]

I hardly think Guest was summoned.

There's no solid evidence backing it up.

Just that old tape, which doesn't even sound like Guest being summoned.

It sounds more like Guest approaching a ritual since we can hear Guest at the beginning.

[ripe berry]

Also the Cult's Connections seem more recent while the Guest's Connections are mostly founded in older lore

oh, and the eye paintings in SN triggering the Mayak Event that gave us access to HGP ties Eyes to the Guest aswell

[shell gull]

“Everything is Canon” Alex said as a joke but also took serious in Aspects “AS is just a Future Pipeline” JUST he said “Canon is Flexible” meaning it’s adjusted and can be turned from ways, I don’t get why this is so hard to believe really we’ve said this so many times, it’s just like every other time when you deny.

[safe charm]

That was a joke

He Said something

About ohio

Afterwards

[shell gull]

He said as a Joke but also took it somewhat literally.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

I still think the games

Is what matters the most

Right now

[shell gull]

Which did make sense in that terminology since it was Mayak Focused.

[safe charm]

So is the guest connected

With mayak

Maybe

[spark tulip]

Yeah.

[ripe berry]

maybe idk

[spark tulip]

It seems like it to me.

[shell gull]

Well we don’t know but most likely not, in this case at least.

[ripe berry]

I mean the eyes in THEYCROW is from the Mayak Building, so it seems Mayak, Cult, and the Guest are all linked together in some way

[safe charm]

Yes

Excatly

[spark tulip]

Yeah.

God, I am so excited to find out.

[shell gull]

Also I’d like to point out something, the AS Cloak is more Clean with features, while HN2s Guest Cloak is just ragged ripped apart and destroyed.

[safe charm]

So i have no idea about guest

Lol

[shell gull]

Makes sense.

[spark tulip]

Also, in the AS it's a cloak, but in HN2 it's a cape.
Someone pointed this out.

[safe charm]

All ik is hes a guest

[ripe berry]

All 3 seems to be linked to the Purple Storms as well

[shell gull]

That is true, showing some Minor but could be Major Detail changes.

[spark tulip]

Exactly.

[safe charm]

So im not sure about the summoning i Think

Its like noxified Said

[spark tulip]

I think there's a VERY little chance that Guest is summoned.

[safe charm]

So where do you

Think he comes from

Then

[spark tulip]

I have no idea.

[safe charm]

Nowhere mayak nest

[spark tulip]

Born from Mr. Peterson, I guess.

[shell gull]

Also when I said this could fit Old Lore here’s what I meant, we really don’t know a lot on what The Guest did after Old HN2, and since this is an expansion, and if the 00000.1 Percent Chance Old Lore Returns in HN2, it works sense The Guest would be toying Ted while looking for Power, then The Cult is their catching on to the Folklore believing this was their Mystery God, The Guest takes advantage of this to gain that Power.

[ripe berry]

Mayak is obvious, the Cult is tied through Storm Worship in the Books, and the Guest is tied due to the Guest World Skybox being Purple in HNVR

[spark tulip]

Or he just popped out one day.

[safe charm]

Kinda funny if the guest is just playing

Around lmao

[ripe berry]

The Visitor you describe is not playing kids games

[shell gull]

Not playing around but taking advantage, like he’s done with so many others just with a bigger group.

[safe charm]

Alex

Announcements

Cool

[shell gull]

Anyways I’m not gonna sit in the Live Chat because most of the stuff and Theories in there are goofy.

[safe charm]

Hi

So what is canon anymore

Does hn even have a canon

[ripe berry]

so we started stuff in #hello-neighbor about what is/isn't canon

[safe charm]

Or is it just different small stories

With some small things connecting them

[ripe berry]

Not to hate on Mr. Apple but if you say HND is Canon then you're basically saying Book 1 is canon, so you can't say Books are non-canon then literally allow a book retelling as canon without basically saying at least 1 book is canon

[ripe berry]

maybe

[safe charm]

And i dont understand how old lore is dead

When it simply isnt

[ripe berry]

I don't even know what counts as canon anymore

[safe charm]

More games follow old lore

Then new

[ripe berry]

because new lore is more recent

[safe charm]

Its not fun anymore to talk about hn lore if its just gonna get retconned later

Anyway

[ripe berry]

give it a few years and then see what lore is canon

[safe charm]

Yeah

Becouse no hate to new lore but i dont want it to be canon

And i hope they decide to seperate AS from the game lore

Like i am intrested in old lore

I want more

[lyric zephyr]

The new lore would be alright! If it were its own thing.

[safe charm]

Excatly

Then i have zero problem with it

If it just doesnt affect the games

[teal imp]

too bad alex thought the cartoon was so much more important than media that already exists

[ripe berry]

I'm trying to treat HN as a interconnected thing as much as possible, I know mixing old and new lore is hated upon here but I'm gonna do it anyways

[lyric zephyr]

It's Alex's little pet project is why

[lyric zephyr]

It's, practically impossible to do though
The characters are far too different from each other now

Same with how events happen

It'd basically be writing new lore based on the previous lore

[ripe berry]

(Or well, mix stuff from HN2 with Old Lore is the more common thing I do)

(Don't get why everyone calls HN2 New Lore, it's clearly a mix of lores)

[safe charm]

Yeah ikr

[lyric zephyr]

HN2 is no-ish-lore, it's in a weird in-between

Is it canon? Is it not? We don't know lol

[safe charm]

It almost feels like their changing the guest whole character

[ripe berry]

So basically I look at HN2 and see what from it works for each lore before trying to mix that together

[safe charm]

And im not sure how to feel about that

I loved his potrayal in the Books and hnvr

[ripe berry]

or likewise I can take stuff from either lore and apply it to what's shown in HN2 to create theories about where HN2 will go

[safe charm]

No need to change it

[lyric zephyr]

I feel like HN2 didn't, have a specific lore
They just kinda had to throw together what they had on hand (some bits of old some bits of new) due to the time crunch

Since Alex decided they should finish 6 months early for consoles!

[safe charm]

I hope they decided to ultimatly go with old lore but thats not likely since yeah

The teasers

[ripe berry]

Like since one of the TV Broadcasts in HN1, when translated, references a war, and this war works with provided HN2 Info, I treat this war as a event in HN2's Timeline

[lyric zephyr]

Sure it isn't, just a stock audio?

Like nearly every single other sound effect

that has no bearing on the story

[safe charm]

Hn1 imo had a clearer story then hn2

[ripe berry]

I don't care if it's stock audio it works with the timeline so I'm treating it as canon until something goes against that

(Plus it's basically the only thing that's referenced as happening in the 1930s (60 years before HN1) other then the founding of RB (based off Museum's design) so it works with the Cult seeming to already exist in the 1940s-1960s)

[lyric zephyr]

HN2's story is:
Quentin arrives in town or he may have already been in town as he's already set up in the office we don't know but he's from the Big City I guess, he investigates every AI building before the story even starts and finds apparently nothing suspect, he goes back and Aaron tries to escape, he crashes into a barn due to the Guest just running at him, Ted knocks him out
Then the monitors magically starts turning to wherever he needs to go exactly, and all those buildings apparently are super suspect now and he breaks in to all of them
And he gets random keys that these people seemingly all cult members have, to get into the Museum that Ted couldn't have gotten into because he has no keys or even a crowbar
Then we go to save Aaron who's been trying to escape all game, get captured, get out, unlock the door
Aaron is about to leave with us but Ted gets crushed by a giant bird and he's suddenly like "Nooooo papa I cannot leave to get help I must help myself I love my abusive dad!" and then Quentin gets knocked out

it's a mess

[ripe berry]

(Again I'm just applying whatever info I can carry over without creating problems for what's confirmed in HN2)

yes

[safe charm]

That feels like an intro

To the game

Everything

[lyric zephyr]

it's the entire story of HN2 until we get the story update this halloween

[ripe berry]

I'm just taking whatever I can to try to make sense of it

[safe charm]

Like the guest makes

Zero sense currently

Hes just a bird man

[ripe berry]

Guest still seems to be important even in the beginning of HN2/the current part we have

He's the reason Quentin's likely still aliv

he's the one most likely using the crows to help show Quentin where to go

[lyric zephyr]

He's a crow demon summoned by the cult seemingly, but also, not, and he's actually a member of the cult wearing an eye instead of an apple for some reason, and he's part of the cult seemingly despite
Crawling around on all 4s and making completely inhuman sounds and having way too long arms and sharp fingers

and seemingly helping Quentin too even though he made him crash

[safe charm]

You Think possession storyline is still canon

[ripe berry]

the Crow Statue also seems to be representative of the Guest

[safe charm]

Where guest takes over mr Peterson body

That was a cool story element even if it was

Like a very used trope

[lyric zephyr]

which one the one in the museum or the giant one made entirely out of stone that's just in plain sight leaning against the banner even though the cult is supposed to be secret

[safe charm]

Will guest mostly crawl in hn2 you Think

[lyric zephyr]

Probably yeah

[safe charm]

Not like Walk on 2 legs

[lyric zephyr]

He'll do both for sure

That's how he did in HG

Upright and all 4s

[ripe berry]

The one in the Museum

It's a religious symbol to represent the Guest

[safe charm]

I like him being more humanlike

Tbh

But still demonic

[lyric zephyr]

Him switching between walking and crawling is better

[inland folio]

who needs lore when you have the neighbor glitches

[lyric zephyr]

Bc he's like an in between of man and animal in behavior

Intelligent yet animalistic

[safe charm]

So like in 1.5 why

Do he seem more human like and less animalistic

[ripe berry]

also the Guest likely helped found the cult bc of the Fountain Symbols

[lyric zephyr]

So the Guest founded the cult but is also trying to work against it by getting Quentin to expose it

[safe charm]

Uhhhh

[lyric zephyr]

it's just weird

[ripe berry]

Guest is a confusing character okay

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah the Guest is just an anomaly

I hope we get clearer answers

He's just silly goofy

[ripe berry]

Hell for a period of time I thought there were two entities

[safe charm]

Yes we had a semi clear answer in old lore at least

[ripe berry]

and that Crow Statue and Guest were different characters

[safe charm]

But still

[ripe berry]

to explain away some of the things

[safe charm]

He was confusing

[lyric zephyr]

I mean they could be considered different
The Guest is the true form of what they worship but the Cult Statue/Outfits are their ideal look at it

The Guest can shapeshift as we know

[safe charm]

So guest is just a funny demon bird the cult summoned

[ripe berry]

I think you're confused as to what I'm referencing, Crow Statue is what I call the one in the Museum

[lyric zephyr]

Oh the hanging one

[ripe berry]

the others I'd call Cultist Statues/Cult Statues

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah okay got mixed up

[safe charm]

The Nightmare is called ancient curse

Btw

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah the Crow Statue is definitely some part of the Guest, whether it took control of it or it's an actual part of him

[ripe berry]

(For all I know there are just two Guests running around)

[safe charm]

Wth

[lyric zephyr]

Red arm guest and orange arm guest...

the twins

[safe charm]

My brain

[lyric zephyr]

/j

[ripe berry]

I was saying I thought the Crow Statue was a different Entity so the Guest would at least consistently be against the cult, but now that is clearly not true

[safe charm]

I still prefered guest being a possesed mr Peterson over completely seperate

[ripe berry]

unless there is literally just two Guest's running around Raven Brooks

[lyric zephyr]

Reminds me of an old theory I think you might've helped come up with it?

The Crow Statue was the cult's original attempt at making a host for the Guest, but it failed

[ripe berry]

What was the theory?

[lyric zephyr]

this one

[ripe berry]

I think that was sh1mpnut

[lyric zephyr]

Oh yeah

Honestly seems like a cool theory even if it doesn't make too much sense

even made a render abt it

[safe charm]

Retro do you Think gn2 was before or after original hn2

[lyric zephyr]

I'd say it's a different take on during the later parts of HN2

Telling an event that'd happen in HN2 in a different way

[safe charm]

Becouse 1.5 teased the guest possesion

Didnt it

[lyric zephyr]

Not really? Just showed Ted behind a locked door w/ Guest Kid but I guess that could be connected to possession

GN2 showed possession a lot though

He Really wanted to take Pris as a new host

[safe charm]

How did guest even posses Ted i have asked this before

[lyric zephyr]

found it

[safe charm]

But like do we see it happen

[lyric zephyr]

In GN2 yes we do see it

[safe charm]

Everyone says different

[lyric zephyr]

In the games no

[safe charm]

How does he do it

[lyric zephyr]

GN2, The Guest drowns Ted underwater, strangling him

Taking him out of commission

Then in the next shot Ted is in the Guest costume

[safe charm]

How does that make him possesed

The connection

[lyric zephyr]

If he killed/knocked out Ted he could just go into his mind and take over

[shell gull]

He just does it, it doesn’t show how, we don’t know, all we know is he took advantage of Ted by strangling and drowning him to possess him.

[safe charm]

Like basically just go into his body

[shell gull]

We know he got Possessed because in RD and later on in GN2.

[safe charm]

And reanimate it

[ripe berry]

While I was digging for where Sh1mpnut made the theory about the Crow Statue being a failed Host I found this, honestly one of the most explanatory interpetations of the Guest before HNVR proved HN2 to not be entirely Old Lore

(Unless my crackpot theory about HN2 Aaron being the Guest in Disguise/not being Aaron in general is correct)

[shell gull]

Thank you.

Though there were tons of loose ends on that

[safe charm]

So is the neighbor dead after gn2

[shell gull]

Such as The Guest having two forms

[safe charm]

Its just his body?

[shell gull]

No.

[safe charm]

Guest drowned him though

Maybe he killed him and just possesed his body

[shell gull]

The Guest was drowning him, didn’t Drown Him.

He took over his body after having him submitted.

[ripe berry]

I know it's not a reliable source but Guidebook implies Mr. Peterson to be dead in Act Finale

with with the house in the void being called his "Final resting place" and stuff

[safe charm]

Pace but it could be

A typo

[ripe berry]

which, if true that Ted is dead in Act Finale, means Ted likely dies during GN2

[ripe berry]

Pace is definitely a typo of Place

[shell gull]

See even though it’s a Crackpot Theory, I don’t see it working, because initially The Guest can only evolve and can only Change his Form in The Nest a place controlled with make believe capabilities, BUT all we have to do is Retcon Aaron ourselves, I’ve said this before, we’ve done it already with HN Games and Books, so why not Retcon something again.

[ripe berry]

Why is Ted visibl in the City in Act 3 if he dies in GN2? That's the Guest using Ted's Body

[shell gull]

That was such a nice observation as it implies now that The Guest is using Teds body for observing as well, showing how they just morph as one.

[strange lance]

If he killed Ted in gn2 there would be no point in possessing him because you literally just killed the thing you were trying to drain the life out of 💀

[shell gull]

Here’s the thing (not a Thing Reference) why is Teds body not Decomposing after GN2 through RD, we know his Body is the same as before just more Older, that’s why I don’t see Ted being Dead making sense as of now.

[shell gull]

Exactly in turn The Guest would die which makes no sense.

[ripe berry]

This doesn't matter if Ted is dead or not this is a separate theory thing to allow it to make sense alongside what GN2 shows

[strange lance]

Ted would be like what, 70, in reset day

maybe older

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah in his 70s

He's 50 during HN1

[shell gull]

Out of Everything The Guest is keeping Ted alive.

[strange lance]

I'm still so pissed that we're never getting a reset day conclusion

i wanted to know more

[ripe berry]

Ted in the City in Act 3 is probably just the Guest using Ted's Body because if this were before GN2 Ted being in the city would make no sense

[shell gull]

I mean I could imagine how it went

[strange lance]

I could too

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

yeah gn2 is before act 3

[safe charm]

Did guest look Excatly like the carving in reset day

[strange lance]

hold on

[shell gull]

Piper and his friends plus Maritza find Nicky, they all try to save Enzo, Pipers Mom and Aaron, they save them, stop The Guest and save Ted, and stop the Time Loop.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

and why ain't Ted in Act 3 wearing the Guest's Clothing? Two reasons. One: It's too far away to tell under normal means. and Two: Guest didn't exist when HN1 was made, or if he did exist he would still be a early concept at this point

[shell gull]

It was a identical Drawing of what he looked like that was one to one with how Piper Described him.

[strange lance]

I'm pretty sure that the ted being in the city thing was removed in every other version except consoles since it's outdated, cause that reference doesn't mean anything anymore

they purposefully removed the binoculurs

[ripe berry]

They could've removed the binoculars since they caused bugs with the Cutscene Cameras

[shell gull]

Actually, as we know The Guest and Ted morphed as one to where The Guest can switch and control Forms from each other and we know that Teds form was how he was prior of GN2.

And so its safe to say that big morph happens during Act 3.

[safe charm]

Morph?

[ripe berry]

Use Binoculars and then grab the letter while you're still holding binoculars and you'll see that the camera is pushed farther back then normal

[shell gull]

Yeah as they just combined as one.

[safe charm]

In gn2?

[shell gull]

No Act 3-RD

[ripe berry]

that is if you still have a outdated version

[safe charm]

When does it say in gn2

It looks like mr Peterson

Havent sleept

And like something in his head is bothering him

[shell gull]

RD, described him on the Phone screen as a old man who hasn’t slept in a while.

You can even see it on the Cover Art.

[safe charm]

Ok the head thing

?

[strange lance]

The guest really likes to exhale smoke in reset day

I'm reading it now

Also both construction guys fell into the time pit RIP

[shell gull]

I think that was just references to his stench

That he just smells like that.

[strange lance]

no he actually exhales smoke in one scene

[shell gull]

Never mind

The Guest is just like that IG

[safe charm]

What were they cooking man

Give me it

[shell gull]

I wanna see that in HN2 now, just him coughing Smoke.

[safe charm]

Is the photos the only

Time we see ted

Like in human form

[strange lance]

yeah in reset day the guest has formed into a more bird like appearance, he has feathers now, longer bigger limbs, a more crooked beak like a bird

and of course ted inside

and he exhales white smoke

[shell gull]

Fun Fact, he actually Evolved to look more like a FP.

[safe charm]

We get very little info on the guest in reset day tbh

We get more in gn2

The protagonist barely discuss the guest or anything in RD

[shell gull]

No, from my foggy memory I believe at one part The Guest lunged at something and then ran away but when he ran his appearance became more like an Old Man (Ted), don’t know if that was real or not.

[safe charm]

Mouseflash is this true

I barely read

[strange lance]

from what book

[safe charm]

RD

[shell gull]

I honestly don’t know.

It’s just in my Memory.

From when I read.

[safe charm]

Reset day

The thing guestaurant

Said

[strange lance]

reading it it seems like the guest both exhales smoke and he smells like something burning

I wonder what that meant

[safe charm]

Ok but like is it real

Lol

[strange lance]

i'm still looking be patient

[safe charm]

Oh

Thought you already reread it

[ripe berry]

Imma just ask #hello-neighbor if Ted can still be found in the Act 3 City Map so I don't have to dig through HN1 Videos hoping to find one that gives me the correct camera angle to spot him

[shell gull]

I think it referenced that he’s weakening, that was a Theory I made a week ago, that it’s just showing he’s dying slowly.

[safe charm]

Old lore was peak

[strange lance]

found the part

[safe charm]

Say it

[safe charm]

To me lol

Ahh that

[shell gull]

Yeah that was it

That he frequently switches Forms quickly all the time

GTG

[safe charm]

Is his body

Becoming unstable

[strange lance]

makes sense he is blobby and can just goop away

[safe charm]

Or something

Or that

[safe charm]

Isnt the right picture

Teds body

Why is it inky

[strange lance]

because the guest can just do that while ted is inside

meaning

ted's poor body

gets deformed

lol

[safe charm]

Could you send a image

Of reset day

Guest

[thin wadi]

Bro got spring trapped

[safe charm]

Heres mousedrawing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/1123742532547911750/20230628_183120.jpg

Poor Ted

[safe charm]

Wanna see this form

In a hn game

[thin wadi]

That looks really creepy

[strange lance]

thank you

[thin wadi]

Really good and really creepy

If the guest acted like this on game, like if he twisted and deformed and stuff it would actually look horrifying

[safe charm]

I hope AS

Will use the reset day design

In the last

Episodes

[ripe berry]

Since the #hello-neighbor chat looks like a warzone I guess I will have to settle with whatever I can find on Google unless someone actually answers

[ancient nymph]

a question, so, in GN 2 The Guest kills Ted and possesses his body right? and then in Reset day there isn't Ted, is just Guest, because I don't remember Ted at Reset Day

[safe charm]

No its still neighbor

Just he can shapeshift

This is mr Peterson

[ancient nymph]

So Ted is alive?

[safe charm]

Yes but possesed

[ancient nymph]

Sooooooo, Guests controls Ted, or they are like fused into one?

[safe charm]

Hes basically stuck within his own body

[safe charm]

Fused

Possesed both

[ancient nymph]

That's cool

[safe charm]

After gn2 guest and neighbor is one

[safe charm]

Guest didnt kill Ted he just made him give in

By choking him

[ancient nymph]

So, the one in control us Guest, Ted, both at same time, or a fusion between their minds?

[orchid pike]

Man books and gn were better then the AS imo

[safe charm]

Guest is mr Peterson might be trapped in his own

Body

But cant do anything

[ancient nymph]

So, Ted can't do anything while The Guest do what he wants with his body

[safe charm]

Yes

But guest can use his thoughts most likely

Like smart iq

[ancient nymph]

And why Guest repeat the same day, what si the purpose for that?

[orchid pike]

There's one problem with this

[ancient nymph]

Explain this better pls

[safe charm]

Like he problaby get as smart

As ted was

[orchid pike]

The books and gn got retconed

[safe charm]

Not really

[orchid pike]

For the AS

[safe charm]

Tbh

Hn2 is a mix

[ancient nymph]

Ahhh, so like, Majin Buu piccolo absorbed

[safe charm]

Of both lores

[orchid pike]

AS lore sucks

Rn

[safe charm]

And hnvr is old

[orchid pike]

But I guess

[safe charm]

Lore

[orchid pike]

I should give it a chance

Though

Once it's done though

[ancient nymph]

Now the canon lore is 1-6 books or AS?

[safe charm]

Same with secret neighbor and hello engineer

Depends

On the person

At this point

Imo old lore is canon while new is an Alternate universe

[ancient nymph]

Because 1-3 books can't fuse with AS, and 4-6 can't fuse with HN2

[safe charm]

They can

With hn2

[ancient nymph]

So AS is alternative universe, like the FNAF Novels?

[safe charm]

I Think so

Its really not confirmed anything

But it seems like that

[ancient nymph]

Well, the cult can come back, then 4-6 with HN2 yes, but 1-3 with AS no

[orchid pike]

The AS is kinda dumb though. Like why is Mr. Peterson now just randomly killing people for coins that most likely control your luck and why are the cultists still here. I mean Mr. Peterson was bad but he wasn't a cold blooded murderer. Just kinda crazy

[safe charm]

Becouse hn2 takes place in 1990s

While AS

[glacial whale]

The books were canon but are old lore now. AS is new lore as people call it. The important stuff such as mayak, gaap, what happened to teds family, etc. are still mostly the same that I know of but changed

[safe charm]

In 2000s

So hn2 is more connected to old lore in my own opinion

But still

[orchid pike]

Something about th AS though is off

[safe charm]

It has AS

Elements

[safe charm]

Alex never said AS is canon he Said it Will wrap everything together

Doesnt mean its litteraly

In the game universe just explain things

[glacial whale]

Alex also said canon is a flexible term

[orchid pike]

Hello neighbor 2 is supposed to be connected to the AS yet why isn't the house in front of the neighbors house trinities

[safe charm]

Becouse its not completely

New lore

Heres my theory

[ancient nymph]

So, AS is non-canon that explains things, and books are canon

[safe charm]

The games are canon

Books and AS

Are kinda canon

[orchid pike]

No Alex literally said AS cannon not books

[safe charm]

Like the fnaf books

[ancient nymph]

So now books mean nothing

[safe charm]

They do

Just not

[glacial whale]

Some days people here say yes books are still relevant but other days they say no they aren’t

[orchid pike]

They are. Better story rn though

[safe charm]

As much

[orchid pike]

So I still like them better

[safe charm]

Agreed i prefer them too

[ancient nymph]

I prefer books, but if now AS is the canon thing

[orchid pike]

I feel like the AS is kinda trying to hard to be scary at times

[safe charm]

Debatble

The games is what you should focus on imo

[ancient nymph]

Then, 1-3 books aren't canon, but the history of 4-6 books are canon or not?

[safe charm]

Elements

Are

Not everything

[glacial whale]

If AS isn’t canon then why did they make it? Why are they changing the story?

[ancient nymph]

Also GNs and Reset day are 100 canon

[orchid pike]

Mabye

[safe charm]

Gn2 is problaby

Canon yes

[orchid pike]

Idk if Reset day was supposed to end in the first book or not

[safe charm]

And reset day i hope

As well but im not sure

[ancient nymph]

I know, like FNAF, we see remnant in books but not in games

[safe charm]

Yes

[orchid pike]

I have a feeling that Tiny build stopped the books for AS

Because yeah sure it could end like that I mean it is supposed to be somewhat horror but there were so many questions left unanswered and the fact that every other series was a trilogy just shows

[safe charm]

Some say old lore is dead but thats simply not true hnvr is old hello engineer is most likely old same with secret neighbor and hello neighbor 2 is both old and new

[ancient nymph]

The fused Ted and Guest is like the Mimic, a new, exciting thing that change the lore, the Mimic arc was finished, the fuse isn't

[safe charm]

Hello neighbor 1 is even more old

Lore

In a way

And Many still care for old lore so how is it dead lmao

When litteraly nearly every game is old lore

[glacial whale]

There’s a main story from old and carried into new lore but both are different in their own ways.

[orchid pike]

I don't really care that much about the fuse rn since it happens basically at the end of the storyline since raven books is probably destroyed

[ancient nymph]

Every game is old lore

[safe charm]

Yes lol

Well

Hn2 is mixed lore

Problaby

It has elements from both

[ancient nymph]

Which elements does it have from new lore?

[safe charm]

The cult still being active

Thats it lol

[ancient nymph]

Well, it could match with old lore, the Mayor just revived the cult and that's it

[safe charm]

Yes

So hn2 could be old lore

[ancient nymph]

The only thing from new lore can match with old

[safe charm]

Completely

[ancient nymph]

So in AS there is cult because if not, you wouldn't have said that if the cult is alive it is new lore

[glacial whale]

People said if it was old lore then Aaron would be dead. Never understood this

[ancient nymph]

Aaron is not dead

[safe charm]

Thats not really true

In hnvr thats likely a

Transistion

To end the game

[ancient nymph]

The real thing is Guest helps Aaron to free Nicky, Nicky escapes, and then HN2 starts

[safe charm]

Yes

[glacial whale]

I understand that but people here like a month or two ago said if it was old lore then we wouldn’t save Aaron in hn2 because he’d be dead but I never understood that

[ancient nymph]

But, why Guest sometimes helps and sometime kills??

[ancient nymph]

He isn't dead, they were wrong

[safe charm]

The end is just a cool end

Transision

With the camera draggging

Away

[ancient nymph]

It would have been the same if the screen just turned black

[safe charm]

In patch 8 they even added pictures from the books

In mr Peterson house

[ancient nymph]

So, talking about the Guest, he is intelligent or he is just doing random things because yes?

[glacial whale]

Mya pictures?

[safe charm]

Yes

[safe charm]

Intelligent

Hes a manipulator

[ancient nymph]

And why does he go after Ted?

[safe charm]

To posses him slowly

Im hnvr he connected with him

And in gn2 he posses him

[ancient nymph]

And why does the Guest need Ted??

[safe charm]

Guest is greedy