Theories
#lore-discussion
shell gull
Omg I read it already
And you still got to disbelieve?, crazy how delusional people can get.
shell gull
The old tapes was removed meaning they aren’t that important
No it doesn’t
safe charm
Yes
shell gull
They HAD something to do with AS yes?
shell gull
That explains stuff
To replace with more easy understandable and intriguing lore
Duh
No one’s just gonna spend time to get something that’s just echoes and hums
Like
Makes pretty good sense
shell gull
We know The Guest is a Curse, Curses are Demonic, Demonically involves things usually have to do with Cultism, Via showing the connections, some demonic things are offerings, we see with The Crow Statue with it being filled with G.A.C. Not only that the Old Tapes have hums with non physical vocal noises from The Guest, the final one becomes Physical as it echoes, meaning that it was Summoned Most Likely, this then explains why it’s with The Cult and has Cult Robes, Also explains why he had access to the Catacombs, also Luck Devices are also Curses, and if G.A.C. Are AS Luck Devices Via giving more connections, not only the fact the Cultist have a Crow god, and was most likely the Crow Statue Via why they also filled it with G.A.C. As more cursed items, so yeah The Guest has a lot to do with the Cult.
Evidence
This is evidence
But no
Can’t accept
shell gull
Probably don’t have
Makes rattles and Nightmare 3, plus each Nightmare is Quentin learning something new.
shell gull
Ain’t no way
He doesn’t know symbolism’s
Yeah I’ve had enough arguing when the person I’m arguing doesn’t know the deep meanings
Anyways
safe charm
Omg please
safe charm
Stop being so not nice to talk to when it comes to lore
wicked heath
Love this chat
shell gull
Stop being so not nice to talk to when it comes to lore
I’ve tried to be nice and I am nice, I’m just telling the truth.
safe charm
I’ve tried to be nice and I am nice, I’m just telling the truth.
Ok sorry for saying that
wicked heath
omg Alpha 2 player house
shell gull
Want demon guest so much
Yeah that’s my point, you just can’t accept something.
That’s what I’ve been getting at.
safe charm
I guess
ripe berry
My Current Raven Brooks General Timeline:
Ancient Times: The Era the Sea Monster comes from
~1800: Placement of the Ancient curse that becomes the Guest
1927: Best guess for the start of "The War"
1937: Founding of the Ravens, Ending of the War, Founding of Raven Brooks, Creation of the Museum as the Founder of RB's Home
1940s: Creation of the Golden Apple Company
1960s: Roger and Adelle's investigations into Raven Brooks' weather
1970: 3 Kids go Missing in the woods, only one, Gerda, is found alive
1992: Golden Apple Amusement Park Opens, GAAP Closes, Ravens Exposed for the most part
1995: 2 Kids, Aaron and Mya Peterson, Go Missing, First sighting of the Thing
1996: Theodore Peterson evades arrest but is later arrested
2016: Ted is let out of jail, The Flood happens
2021: Start of Time Loop
safe charm
But I just can’t accept it lol
shell gull
My Current Raven Brooks General Timeline:
Ancient Times: The Era the Sea Monster...
Ohhhh ma gahhhhhhhd
shell gull
I guess
I’m not saying he is a demon or he is something Cult related, but with facts and obvious pin points it’s very clear to be the answer.
ripe berry
My Current Raven Brooks General Timeline:
Ancient Times: The Era the Sea Monster...
These ain't everything that happened just some things I feel are important enough to mention on a general timeline that I'll use as a basis for future timelines
shell gull
My Current Raven Brooks General Timeline:
Ancient Times: The Era the Sea Monster...
I feel the wording of Ancient would make it further back
Hold on
safe charm
These ain't everything that happened just some things I feel are important enoug...
Who do you think
Placed the ancient curse
shell gull
I was gonna say, in Egypt there’s a lot of Crow folklore that is brought up a lot, IK myself, and Ancient Curses originate in Egypt mainly, so…
But I believe
1800
Make sense
frosty laurel
Guys
safe charm
frosty laurel
There is a lot of talkin goin on
shell gull
Into existence lol
Well no it’s just Black Magic stuff
safe charm
Well no it’s just Black Magic stuff
Like doing what
safe charm
Any Example
shell gull
Like doing what
Idk, it’s black magic 🤷♂️
frosty laurel
This makes no since
ripe berry
I feel the wording of Ancient would make it further back
According to the antiques industry and common acceptance, in order for something to be classified as antique, it must be at least 100 years old. This is true for any type of item, which means even goods that are more fragile or seem to age more rapidly still must be at least 100 years old before they can be considered a real antique. I know the text I just copied is for antique but I've seen Ancient History described as up to late antiquey or whatever the exact wording was
frosty laurel
why does this matter
frosty laurel
Oh
shell gull
According to the antiques industry and common acceptance, in order for something...
Makes sense
Works with me
ripe berry
According to the antiques industry and common acceptance, in order for something...
~1800 would be 100 years before anything in the HN Timeline except for the sea monster
shell gull
~1800 would be 100 years before anything in the HN Timeline except for the sea m...
Real question
wicked heath
Enough Hello Neighbor lore, its time for the Garten of Banban Lore
shell gull
What is the sea monster
ripe berry
but at the latest the Guest has to exist by 1896 to be considered ancient
wicked heath
(still havent played GOB 234)
safe charm
The giant crow?
ripe berry
What is the sea monster
If I had a good image of the Sea Monster's Fossil in the Museum's Attic I'd use Google to figure out what species it is
safe charm
It’s my species
shell gull
If I had a good image of the Sea Monster's Fossil in the Museum's Attic I'd use ...
Yeah
safe charm
I’m a dinosaur
shell gull
It’s my species
I don’t doubt
shell gull
You mean herbivore
shell gull
I’m a dinosaur poacher
safe charm
Imagine we would just talk Jurassic park lore instead hn lore Lmao
shell gull
Imagine we would just talk Jurassic park lore instead hn lore Lmao
Ingen
That’s the lore
safe charm
shell gull
5 islands
wicked heath
Goose was one of the fked up experiments at Jurassic World and he escaped Isla Nublar and flew all the way to Missouri
There. Thats the guest lore.
safe charm
Can’t believe you solved the guest
shell gull
Nice
ripe berry
If I had a good image of the Sea Monster's Fossil in the Museum's Attic I'd use ...
However we can already cut down on the number of species to compare to just because it's a SEA monster meaning it lived in water
There's roughly 120 species to look between still so that doesn't really help
This is the best image I got of the Sea Monster Fossil
shell gull
👍🏻
ripe berry
Google seems to think it's something called a Platecarpus
They're a type of Dinosaur that could grow up to 24 feet long
and while I don't specific Unreal Units Measurements I think this is less then 24 feet long
So they work for our mystery sea monster
Wait a minute that's a Genus not a exact species
Oh well it'll probably be near impossible to tell the exact typpe of Dinosaur
pliant estuary
peak Guest
keen glen
Which year dose the AS take place in? They have iphones soooooo..
teal imp
Which year dose the AS take place in? They have iphones soooooo..
we dont know
and frankly I do not care
I will never accept the AS date as canon
keen glen
Im betting its the 2000’s
teal imp
its supposed to be in the 1990s
keen glen
and frankly I do not care
Kinda random but ok
teal imp
I hate the fact they changed the dates
keen glen
its supposed to be in the 1990s
That doesn’t make sense because they have iphones
keen glen
I hate the fact they changed the dates
Really? Thats even worse
teal imp
That doesn’t make sense because they have iphones
the games are in the 90s
they have 90s tech
the only part of the story that is in modern times is act 3 intro and end
keen glen
Always felt like the games took place in the 90’s
teal imp
they do
keen glen
I mean the AS is a different AU
teal imp
hn2 has a magazine and sign saying it takes place in 1996 (which slightly retcons hn1`s date)
in hn1 theres a milk carton that expires in 1997
teal imp
this
teal imp
I dislike the CEO because it makes a bunch of dumb changes that done work with the games
teal imp
90’s is fine
too late I guess
keen glen
Yea
teal imp
he is changing the lore and theres nothing we can do about it
I hate that they are doing this to the lore Its genuinely really hard to get invested now
keen glen
But lets hope that it doesn’t take place in like 2020 or something
teal imp
im just deprately looking for any remnants of book lore in hn2
the books were far better
keen glen
So much potential for AS
teal imp
they took the worst possible path for it
they changed the story drastically and they bassically retconned all of the games
they ruined nikcy aswell
keen glen
Haven’t read the books but i own one but I haven’t finished it im on chapter 2
teal imp
he is so unlikeable now
in the books he was concerned about his missing best friend
in the cartoon he is just a maniac who breaks into the neighbors house for shits and giggles
teal imp
I genuinely hope they make the cartoon be an alternate universe that only has a few things that apply to the games
we dont need the bad changes to affect the games
all it did was make hn2 not fit in well with the other games at all
keen glen
Yeah like FNAF who also has AU’S i think
teal imp
I dont get why alex insists the cartoon is THE canon now
a large chunk of the fanbase dislikes it
keen glen
Honestly it doesn’t make sense it makes sense for the AS to be A AU
An*
Also i got to go snooze now
see you.
teal imp
Honestly it doesn’t make sense it makes sense for the AS to be A AU
it doesnt work with the games
the writers did not try at all
pliant estuary
Im betting its the 2000’s
Im betting AS sucks
manic dirge
any lore to talk about?
blazing latch
One message removed from a suspended account.
keen glen
Im betting AS sucks
Actually wasnt to bad and as a shipper i like the trinity x enzo concept 
snow mauve
Actually wasnt to bad and as a shipper i like the trinity x enzo concept <:LucyY...
That's already been a thing since the books
Enzo and Trinity thing
keen glen
Yea but i dont own the books
snow mauve
Well just saying it as a fact
keen glen
So at least i get to watch it
keen glen
I own bad blood but im on chapter 2
snow mauve
So I assume you stopped reading the book
keen glen
I just dont have time to
snow mauve
Fair
keen glen
No i meant like more screentime for her in the AS
oblique drum
But please i need more screen time for scout
||finch is not one of the main characters||
teal imp
||finch is not one of the main characters||
way to waste a character
keen glen
||finch is not one of the main characters||
WHAT how unbelievably terrible trinity is mid scout is better 🛐
pliant estuary
Actually wasnt to bad and as a shipper i like the trinity x enzo concept <:LucyY...
that was a thing in the books, escaped they made it actually interesting in the books
wicked heath
Actually wasnt to bad and as a shipper i like the trinity x enzo concept <:LucyY...
at least the relationship looked more healthy in the books
shell gull
I was gonna say we know in Current HN2 she recently bought the place right? I’m basing that off the fact that during Day 1-Night 1 the place is Boarded up and Closed.
shell gull
For repairs
Ah forgot about that.
safe charm
Ah forgot about that.
at this point I have just stopped trying to piece the lore together lol
shell gull
at this point I have just stopped trying to piece the lore together lol
Cool.
safe charm
Cool.
It’s like putting together puzzle pieces from different puzzles
The only thing you can do
Is to think multiple canons
shell gull
It’s like putting together puzzle pieces from different puzzles
Yeah it’s called Lore for a reason.
shell gull
Doesn’t connect with AS
AS is a stand alone
shell gull
Has no games nothing just itself as of now.
safe charm
Has no games nothing just itself as of now.
I don’t understand why Alex gotta say it’s canon
Everything doesn’t need to be canon to the mainline
Games
shell gull
I don’t understand why Alex gotta say it’s canon
He didn’t, he said Canon is flexible and also was a bit serious with the everything is Canon.
safe charm
He didn’t, he said Canon is flexible and also was a bit serious with the everyth...
True
shell gull
Chapter 2 might explain which Lore it is.
safe charm
It’s also by itself as of now
Tbh I think it’s more old at this point with some new
Lore elements
shell gull
Tbh I think it’s more old at this point with some new
Agreed
Though the game will have to be retconned.
With the Aaron thing.
shell gull
Seen this before
Yeah, like said The Guest is Folklore in the town.
Ever since his appearance
safe charm
Hm
shell gull
Ever since his appearance
He appears as far back as HNHS if he is the HS Crow, which is likely and is the belief.
shell gull
Out of everything, I’m going to say IF HN2 is Old Lore, and they don’t change how Chapter 1s First and Last couple Cutscenes go, then we have to just resort to Retcon for HN2.
safe charm
Yeah
But so like what I have a hard time understanding is where was the guest before getting summoned
Is he from another realm Ik he’s
A curse but still
teal imp
hey thats my screenshot!
safe charm
Or did they create him
safe charm
Also Old Tapes would be as well + They have more to do with AS instead.
So in old lore how
Can the guest be folklore
If he was manifested
From Ted recently
shell gull
From Ted recently
That was HS (If HNHS Crow is The Guest)
When he first appeared
So by the time if HE it would’ve been half a year
safe charm
Oh
shell gull
And we know The Guest does stuff in town as well.
Also we already know Nicky knew about The Guest and has been pin pointing it to things already as seen in VR.
safe charm
Why do the guest seem more unatrual in hnvr and hn2
Then In the alphas
In the alphas he was very humanlike sometimes
shell gull
Why do the guest seem more unatrual in hnvr and hn2
It makes sense with E.O.M. He’s a Manifestation they have weird symbolisms and are more higher beings.
Even in Old Lore he’s Human like
shell gull
In some way
We’ve seen it evolve already.
safe charm
Where reset day?
shell gull
Where reset day?
It could simply be a color thing, but in GN2 we saw his coloring start becoming more luminous, his sleeves became Red and Clothes more dark, then in RD he turned into a full on actual walking Forest Protector.
safe charm
Oh
But wait isn’t it just a mask in reset day
Or is mr Peterson face twisted into a beak
shell gull
Also IF HN2 is Old Lore, then it would make sense how in RD The Cult is still around, The Guest knows they see him as a power, so he takes advantage of that, by protecting them and gaining in return (Speculation though).
shell gull
Or is mr Peterson face twisted into a beak
No, we know they are just pretty much fused now in RD so he just morphs through both of the forms of Ted and Himself.
safe charm
Oh
shell gull
We know this because
If I remember correctly, don’t trust this, but in the book when The Guest lunged at Someone out of nowhere The Guest disappeared and instead they saw Ted running away.
shell gull
If I remember correctly, don’t trust this, but in the book when The Guest lunged...
This was in my memory and someone seemed to remember it to.
safe charm
I’m still really confused on that
shell gull
In the alpha versions was the guest we saw actually Ted
No, it was just The Guest the Alphas were symbolism, in both Alphas Ted was trapped from The Guest and in 1.5 The Halloween Kids (The biggest Symbolic Characters) were trapped, they were Symbolic of Enzo, Aaron and Pipers Mom, all being Trapped.
safe charm
No, it was just The Guest the Alphas were symbolism, in both Alphas Ted was trap...
Wait so wasn’t
The guest born in gaap
shell gull
The guest born in gaap
At this point we don’t know.
safe charm
Or something
shell gull
We just know he appeared, he wasn’t born but was brought.
shell gull
Brought
He was brought into the World from Teds mind, it’s a manifestation thing.
Here let me explain
safe charm
Thanks
shell gull
Um yes
So in the Movie The Death character was the literal Manifestation of Death, he got pissed at Piss because he was wasting his lives and not caring, he got so pissed that he BROUGHT himself into the real world to kill Puss off because he didn’t believe he deserved to live, but also at the same time to teach him a lesson.
shell gull
Basically
The Guest was Teds emotions, Teds emotions got so bad that The Guest leaked into the real world.
So yeah
Possibly Guest World
/ The Nest
shell gull
Guest world or teds mind
Guest World I believe is Teds Mind of his emotions, the embodiment is The Guest, this would also explain Thing World, difference is The Thing is a Mental Manifestation, The Guest wasn’t, and since Teds emotions got so bad the Physical Manifestation came.
safe charm
Oh interesting
shell gull
Ted and The Guest would be the same, in a figure of speech.
shell gull
Mhm
shell gull
And more dangerous
Also
Another thing to back this up
Is we see in HNVR, that Ted was just deep inside, The Nest is like a Void and soulless during that time, in GN2 Ted wants vengeance and is mad, The Nest in GN2 was now instead red and sinister.
agile hinge
Someone help me to be race V4 and to find mirage
shell gull
So yeah during this time I’ve gotten deep into The Guest
safe charm
Oh so the nightmare
In hnvr with guest behind the neighbor is that
Symbolic to him being a manifestation
shell gull
In hnvr with guest behind the neighbor is that
It’s symbolic of The Guest doing its duty as a Manifestation and tormenting Ted, we see this with Nicky and The Thing.
shell gull
In the garbage
?
safe charm
?
Basically
It was a teaser that said guest had
Found his suit in the garbage
It was called atonomy
Of a guest
safe charm
When he was ted
shell gull
It was mostly just a joke thing
safe charm
In a suit
shell gull
And also HG
shell gull
Originally
Some people believed that was what The Prototype was
Playing as Ike
And The Guest was a Cultist
safe charm
Oh
crisp epoch
Craa!
muted hornet
shell gull
So Ottos last name is Canandrum
I hate his voice
It doesn’t fit him
Also this confirms Ted is bounty hunting Cultist just like in Old Lore, or at the least something similar because that segment was odd.
teal imp
Also this confirms Ted is bounty hunting Cultist just like in Old Lore, or at th...
Otto is an enemy of the cult tho
teal imp
I hate his voice
I dont think its bad
shell gull
Otto is an enemy of the cult tho
Ehh, don’t know about that, also I’m not gonna get into this argument again, but there’s a lot of back and fourth on if he’s an enemy or apart, personally I think he is.
shell gull
Has to be the guest
That’s just assumption.
teal imp
Ehh, don’t know about that, also I’m not gonna get into this argument again, but...
he is friends with mj who is an enemy of the cult
teal imp
in the archives he calls out the mayor for spying on the town
shell gull
Of a theory
There’s nothing pointing at it being The Guest, also this is new we’ve never seen this nor was it ever a theory.
Not saying it isn’t but it’s speculation as of now
safe charm
There’s nothing pointing at it being The Guest, also this is new we’ve never see...
Um it’s pretty clear it is he basically
Cheers mr Peterson
On
Kra kra
Why would mr Peterson beat up
The taxidermist otherwise
Doubt he’s in the cult
Why is he laughing btw
When beating him up
shell gull
in the archives he calls out the mayor for spying on the town
There’s those but, I’d imagine it would’ve been one of those, choose between friendship or power things, he’s most likely still having pictures of him and such to cover up himself, he has one of the missing Cult Keys in his backyard hiding it like the rest of the Cult, HN2 was supposed to be facing against the Cult Members, I don’t see why they would have an odd extra in the game and not be a Cultist.
safe charm
But that’s out of character
snow mauve
They made him a killer now
snow mauve
But that’s out of character
Well that's how they wanted
safe charm
Why would mr Peterson muhaha at beating up an old man
snow mauve
Because he's the "killer"
safe charm
And take his crow furniture
shell gull
Teds no longer that sinister but good inside person, he’s just a killer now.
snow mauve
Because he's the "killer"
Do i have to repeat myself again
safe charm
Teds no longer that sinister but good inside person, he’s just a killer now.
But why
snow mauve
Because retcon
safe charm
No but like why in canon
snow mauve
They want him to be "menacing"
safe charm
Or as canon
snow mauve
No but like why in canon
Because why not
That's just what they wanted
It is what it is
shell gull
They want him to be "menacing"
He isn’t menacing he’s like clown behavior
Ey I don’t budge with AS AU
safe charm
He isn’t menacing he’s like clown behavior
Did he go feral lmao
shell gull
Let them make how they make that Canon
safe charm
He just wanna kill anyone
shell gull
They just can’t cross Old Lore AU
shell gull
I believe he also took other stuff to if I remember
snow mauve
Yep
safe charm
Bro just beat the shit out of taxidermist
safe charm
I believe he also took other stuff to if I remember
But like is taxidermist
A cultist
safe charm
We don’t know but more backs him to being one
It’s weird how the crows seems to like
Obay mr Peterson in some way
Like follow him
shell gull
What?
safe charm
It has to be the guest or something
snow mauve
No
shell gull
The crow
So your telling me it’s suspicious, because it got held down by Ted and can’t escape?
safe charm
So your telling me it’s suspicious, because it got held down by Ted and can’t es...
No?
Wait
That was a real crow
That he took
shell gull
That he took
Yes
snow mauve
Bro really thought it's the guest 💀
safe charm
Like an alive one
shell gull
Like an alive one
Yeah?
shell gull
Yea
silver vine
the crow which Ted held in his hands is a taxidermied one
the one which was flying around the house during the fight is....very suspicious
shell gull
So um show the clip
The alive one was screaming when they started fighting and going crazy, the first one Ted grabbed was dead and the second one escaped the house when Ted opened the door.
shell gull
Thinking it’s the guest
Because it isn’t
safe charm
It just feels like you wanna ignore
shell gull
Little to no evidence
safe charm
It becouse you don’t like AS
snow mauve
It just feels like you wanna ignore
Little all you do
Is just assume stuff
When there's no proof nor evidence
shell gull
It becouse you don’t like AS
If that’s the case, then how do we know the crow in Trinity’s room wasn’t The Guest? Or the one that killed the realtor after pissing it off? Or the other 20 crows we’ve seen in the show? Couldn’t they all be The Guest?
safe charm
If that’s the case, then how do we know the crow in Trinity’s room wasn’t The Gu...
It likely was
The guest probably killed the woman
As well
And remember trinity has nightmares
When the crow was in the room
shell gull
As well
No, she just pissed off the Crow by shewing it away, The Crow got pissed and the other Crows saw so they all went to pick her.
safe charm
No, she just pissed off the Crow by shewing it away, The Crow got pissed and the...
What kissed
shell gull
What kissed
It’s a typo
shell gull
It’s possible imo
No, it’s just a normal Crow getting pissed off, we have to see IG.
silver vine
I still think that the crow which killed the realtor could be the guest
snow mauve
Guest would never do that...
snow mauve
I've seen crows being shood off and pissed off all day
Because Mr. Peterson is the killer
The killer tells em to kill
Typical AS Ted
teal imp
why would a crow randomly attack trinity in her room?
even if it is the guest what is the point?
silver vine
hmmm
teal imp
I hate world class writing
silver vine
all I know is
crows dont randomly go on killing ppl
even if how much ever they get pissed off
atmost they do is peck or bite you
snow mauve
No wonder why you're a tiny crow
unkempt sleet
Or drag you
i dont think a normal crow cab drag you like that. That crow is stronger than a usual crow
snow mauve
i dont think a normal crow cab drag you like that. That crow is stronger than a ...
Meanwhile ep1
shell gull
and none of them kill anyone
Wha, that was like the only time they got shewed off I think, Al’s she was waving her hands at them.
shell gull
crows dont randomly go on killing ppl
They didn’t intentionally kill her, they were pecking her, she started walking around clumsy onto the road.
teal imp
atmost they do is peck or bite you
or teach their children to attack you!
shell gull
atmost they do is peck or bite you
That’s what the crows were doing to the realtor.
manic dirge
e
thin wadi
Hmmm
thin wadi
I hate how its the first result too
snow mauve
It's mostly the forest protectors that gave him curse by using the luck device that caused the accident
wicked heath
none
It was caused by hazard. But we know hazard aint so random in Raven Brooks so...
teal imp
why does the neighbor attack otto? all he seems to do is take a dead crow
wicked heath
why does the neighbor attack otto? all he seems to do is take a dead crow
cus uhh... hes stealing his shit?
snow mauve
why does the neighbor attack otto? all he seems to do is take a dead crow
Dude
That's because
Mr. Peterson is the killer
Duh
wicked heath
And hes not a fan of the whole "Stealth is optional"
snow mauve
That's what it's intended
snow mauve
he has to kill everyone
Rip Otto tbh
teal imp
I cant believe he died before hn2
snow mauve
Like dude didn't do shit to him
teal imp
He isn't dead
nah man ted KILLS him
snow mauve
Which I would assume would happen next to Leslie
teal imp
anyway yeah otto did not deserve that at all
he was just doing his hobby
oh god
I just realised
patch 9 will probs have an annoying tv that will play an AS episode and you wont be able to turn it off
unkempt sleet
why does the neighbor attack otto? all he seems to do is take a dead crow
#hello-neighbor message
Guest is probably making him take the crow, but idk why
snow mauve
patch 9 will probs have an annoying tv that will play an AS episode and you wont...
Doubt it
unkempt sleet
Yea, that probably wont happen
It was just for episode 1
İt didnt even happen for episode 2
teal imp
Guest is probably making him take the crow, but idk why
he wants a crow plushie... (ik its not a plushie but its sillier if I call it that)
teal imp
Yea, that probably wont happen
I freaking hope so
manic dirge
any lore to talk about?
teal imp
the closed HE demo that only 30 people had. Had the TV play no matter what
you couldnt turn it off
unkempt sleet
You just dont go near the tv
Simple
teal imp
it was really annoying and it would sometimes even startle me when I got too close to it
teal imp
You just dont go near the tv
Simple
I wish it wasnt so close to the building zone!!!
unkempt sleet
Well now you can play without tv
teal imp
seriously tho it was annoying the option to turn it off would have been apreciated
I hope they never bring back the TVs
snow mauve
I hope they never bring back the TVs
They won't smh
languid geyser
It's mostly the forest protectors that gave him curse by using the luck device t...
interesting question: are all the forest protecters human or no.
teal imp
interesting question: are all the forest protecters human or no.
what?
they are just cultists
unkempt sleet
interesting question: are all the forest protecters human or no.
They are humans
In robes and masks
unkempt sleet
No problem
shell gull
interesting question: are all the forest protecters human or no.
Forest Protectors are a myth of big humanoid Ravens, Based on sights of the Cultist who are humans and dress like Ravens.
pliant estuary
yay Another retcon, ottos dead, and otto isn't even his name anymore
thin wadi
yay Another retcon, ottos dead, and otto isn't even his name anymore
wait what?
unkempt sleet
It's his last name
Otto Canandra
You guys gotta stop assuming everything is a retcon
Even Alex still refers to him as Otto
unkempt sleet
Mr. Otto is gone, now its Mr. Canandra
I cant believe you really think that they retconned his name
unkempt sleet
Like i understand you guys think AS is retconning everything, but this isnt even a retcon
Also Otto is probably just knocked out
manic dirge
so true
unkempt sleet
He's not dead
blazing latch
Mr. Otto is gone, now its Mr. Canandra
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silver vine
They didn’t intentionally kill her, they were pecking her, she started walking a...
yes yes, it was totally just pecking on her
it was not dragging her at all
how in the actual world could you tell me that this is not an intentional murder
silver vine
yes yes, it was totally just pecking on her
as a person who has a lot of experience with crows, this is NOT a normal crow behavior at all
they dont drag anyone
most crows arent even brave enough to get close to humans
oblique drum
yay Another retcon, ottos dead, and otto isn't even his name anymore
literally no
none of what you said is a retcon because it did not even happen
otto isnt dead you can still hear him when he lies on the ground
and his FULL name is otto canandra
unkempt sleet
B-But AS retcons everything. Otto's name is retconned too😟
opal jackal
Oh so Otto's full name is Otto Canada?
unkempt sleet
Canandra
wicked heath
yes yes, it was totally just pecking on her
yes that was clearly intentional
unkempt sleet
Enzo says Canandra
wicked heath
No it's cannada
Haha very funny i get it. Us Canadians live in the wild and stuff dead animals all days
and chop trees
:(
opal jackal
Nuh uh
silver vine
is Canandra kept intentional with this stereotype, like Ivan Torre, or is in unintentional
shell gull
how in the actual world could you tell me that this is not an intentional murder
Birds do that to, I once saw a kid get there hair pulled out from a Seagull, they do that stuff, also she was moving back first, and even if it was intentional, she pissed it off first, and so it pulled her hair out.
shell gull
is Canandra kept intentional with this stereotype, like Ivan Torre, or is in uni...
Uh Ottocanandra, doesn’t sound like much.
gentle elm
Birds do that to, I once saw a kid get there hair pulled out from a Seagull, the...
That's horrific...
wicked heath
Birds do that to, I once saw a kid get there hair pulled out from a Seagull, the...
we are still talking about Raven Brooks
Where one of those birds is actually the Guest
and they actually help other characters such as Quentin discover the truth
shell gull
and they actually help other characters such as Quentin discover the truth
We’re in AS, we still have little to no proof that The Guest can do that, I’m not denying but I just need evidence that’s viable.
shell gull
That's horrific...
Yup.
wicked heath
That must've been so horrible, i hope the kid's ok...
he just said it killed her
gentle elm
he just said it killed her
Oh...
shell gull
That must've been so horrible, i hope the kid's ok...
Yeah she’s fine, she was pissing off a group of seagulls, and they pulled her hair out.
wicked heath
and lemme guess. Shimp walked away going "yeah. Normal shi"
shell gull
That must've been so horrible, i hope the kid's ok...
?
Oh wait
Wth
Not what happened
wicked heath
What are you even saying anymore???
shell gull
Let me fix it, it’s a typo.
shell gull
What are you even saying anymore???
Idk, I put in pulled her and then I think I made spelling error so it put “Killed” instead.
wicked heath
.
shell gull
Yeah she’s fine, she was pissing off a group of seagulls, and they pulled her ha...
But yeah she just needed a hairstyle change and that’s it.
gentle elm
Phew...
shell gull
But yeah that seagull was vicious, so I don’t see how a Crow couldn’t just go crazy after getting kicked out of its spot.
Especially since they are smart.
gentle elm
But yeah that seagull was vicious, so I don’t see how a Crow couldn’t just go cr...
Agreed.
Birds can get scary.
shell gull
Birds can get scary.
Yup.
safe charm
Hi
shell gull
Hi
In short The Guest is Teds Mind as Physical Form, The Nest is the Embodiment.
The Guest is a Physical Manifestation, Via the reason other people have access to The Nest when he leaked into the real world and also why he appears.
safe charm
So I don’t wanna sound too dumb but why did people
Instantly realize he was a manifestation
When hnvr released
strange lance
because it's very obvious
It's like elenaor from fnaf. William's evil created this entity (the shadow) that took on the form of one of William's creations (baby) and then became more powerful than William himself
The guest is exactly the same. Ted's grief created this entity (the guest) that took on the form of one of Ted's creations (the bird mascot) and then became more powerful than Ted himself
shell gull
The Guest is a Physical Manifestation, Via the reason other people have access t...
Unlike The Thing which is Mental, Via why Thing World only has access to Nicky via going through his own Mind, and while The Thing leaked into the real world only Nicky sees him.
shell gull
When hnvr released
Because, we’re Lore Theorists, we’re built differently, thanks to Mouse for being the person who just said Manifestation as a description, and then it actually made sense.
strange lance
Also to anyone who doubted this was the book observatory before, they added in the fake star ceiling
safe charm
The one with him behind the chair
shell gull
The one with him behind the chair
No, it just pinned together, that could’ve been symbolic of a lot of things, but Manifestation is the only one that ticked together.
safe charm
But also in hnvr ending
shell gull
But also in hnvr ending
Well yeah.
safe charm
In what way do guest connect
To him
Shouldn’t he already be connected
If he’s a manifestation
strange lance
Again it's like fnaf. Ted created a being that was made from him but is separate, and what that being wants it power from said creator
shell gull
If he’s a manifestation
His emotions, The Nest technically always existed, The Guest possibly to, but when Teds Emotions got so mixed and bad The Guest leaked into the real world.
safe charm
Again it's like fnaf. Ted created a being that was made from him but is separate...
But when he touched Ted
What happened what changed
strange lance
he connected with his mind
shell gull
The Guest is basically Ted himself in a figure of speech, in a complex way he’s Teds Mind and Emotions in a Real Form.
strange lance
that's how Ted can talk to guest in his bird form in gn2
shell gull
he connected with his mind
Before anyone says yes he did form from his Mind and IK that’s weird how he should have to connect with his mind, but remember The Guest is a Physical Manifestation, Unlike The Thing which was Mental so it already had access to Nicky’s Mind.
strange lance
yes
safe charm
Do we see him become real in hnvr
strange lance
The thing is just fear it's kinda already with everyone
safe charm
Or something
strange lance
Do we see him become real in hnvr
?
shell gull
The thing is just fear it's kinda already with everyone
Mhm
strange lance
We never see the guest outside the nest
But when Ted escapes he kinda takes the guest with him since you know
he's in Ted's head
strange lance
idk man they all just DO
it's not explained
they just opened doors or pass out and then boom
in the nest
shell gull
The only possible time The Guest first appears is HNHS, if Micheals theory of The HNHS Crow is The Guest (Highly Likely) is correct.
shell gull
How did ted enter the nest
Gateways, IG.
strange lance
He just IS
strange lance
idk 😭
it doesn't really matter
he gets out anyway
it's like stranger things
you just
enter a hole
or leave from said hole
safe charm
But with Nicky and ted
strange lance
and then is in the nest
shell gull
In the nest
I don’t think he’s in The Nest personally actually, out of everything I think the background is for when Aaron Gets dragged, to give symbolism that he’s the First Victim and got trapped in The Nest.
strange lance
It doesn't need to show everyone entering it
safe charm
strange lance
even in gn2 Regina just enters a hole in the truck
and then she's in the nest
they're just everywhere
safe charm
It’s sad it most likely won’t be further
Explored now
So we are left with questions that won’t be answered
shell gull
Let me put it this way we know The Nest is attached with different Gateways in the real world, such as the way Regina went through, so I’d imagine some of the many Gateways would have a way through an area with tons of different Gateways, The Underground has 100s of doors and such so I’d imagine a lot of areas would just be gateways to The Nest, so when Ted locked Nicky up, he was in a tiny segment area of The Nest, while when Aaron got dragged he got taken to the actual Nest itself that’s not escape able.
safe charm
Okay I guess it kinda makes sense
So sad they didn’t flesh everything out
To the fullest
wicked heath
both
shell gull
SN is entirely Imagination, while the Lobby is what they are actually doing, HE is them trying to build stuff mixed with a lot of imaginative areas.
thin wadi
they're just everywhere
reminds me of reminds me of the upside down from stranger things
thin wadi
it's like stranger things
oh you said that
safe charm
Alex said it too
Lol
In the post mortem
That guest world is like upside down in stranger things
gentle elm
Interesting
shell gull
It is.
No it isn’t.
That was for the skit.
Made by the Old Video Producer Adam, who you can still talk to in the server.
Well if you wanna talk Lore then it isn’t.
strange lance
The events in the game itself confirm it's not real
shell gull
It is, the Lobby was drawings of the house and a bunch of other things in the game, even the rocket event was even shown as them just being imaginative.
strange lance
the rocket ending specifically
shell gull
The whole plot of the game is they are too scared to break in themselves, so they just imagine and come up with their plan to break in for the meantime.
languid geyser
how in the actual world could you tell me that this is not an intentional murder
its just better to stick to the mature version of the episodes in general.
shell gull
Sure yeah, but there’s no proof saying SN is entirely real, there’s only proof of it being imagination, which makes sense taking in E.O.M. As they are seeing Things which are made from Fear, which is why they are too scared to actually break in.
languid geyser
would hello engineer be real or cannon to some extent?
shell gull
would hello engineer be real or cannon to some extent?
No, there are real segments, but most of it is imagination, such as them being in a desert.
languid geyser
so that true ending isnt real?
shell gull
so that true ending isnt real?
Huh? Im not too on with HEs cutscenes as of now so IDK, I just know plot points in it.
languid geyser
alright.
strange lance
All of the cinematic cutscenes in the game are real, those actually happened. The level introduction cutscenes (when it's at nighttime) are real. When it turns day it's imagination. So things like the lobby are real, the final spider boss that takes place at night isn't real though.
The sandbox, while being during the day, is also real
pliant estuary
I cant believe you really think that they retconned his name
I realize that now, but the location of his house recons HN2
shell gull
I realize that now, but the location of his house recons HN2
Bro, HN2s map isn’t canon, it’s also a Stand Alone Game as of now.
pliant estuary
Bro, HN2s map isn’t canon, it’s also a Stand Alone Game as of now.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that
pliant estuary
Bro, HN2s map isn’t canon, it’s also a Stand Alone Game as of now.
but it has retconned every other game in the franchise
shell gull
but it has retconned every other game in the franchise
Yeah, but they aren’t very consistent, plus they are apart of Old Lore AU.
silver vine
Also to anyone who doubted this was the book observatory before, they added in t...
but my question is
why is the book observatory a literal attraction in the park
opal steeple
new teaser has dual camera smartphones, great. so AS takes place in at LEAST 2008. bet its gonna end up being present day
wicked heath
im certain it is
snow mauve
new teaser has dual camera smartphones, great. so AS takes place in at LEAST 200...
The new android
thin wadi
No way the AS teased SN android
teal imp
Old act 3 was modern day
So act 3 is now in the future and I despise that
Alex and his writers have no idea what they are doing
safe charm
Old act 3 was modern day
So I kinda liked the teaser but at the same time
No
Because feels too modernized
sleek lily
I kinda like that it’s modern but at the same time it’s eeh well-
teal imp
I kinda like that it’s modern but at the same time it’s eeh well-
I hate it because its not meant to take place in modern times
Its supposed to be in the 90s
thin wadi
Its supposed to be in the 90s
I just think of the AS as an alternate dimension
And if hn2 is going to follow the same timeline than that too isn't real
snow mauve
Hopefully we get a bit more info on HN2 for it's lore
thin wadi
AS is an anomaly, it broke the canon
snow mauve
Hopefully we get a bit more info on HN2 for it's lore
That maybe it could fit in one of the timeline
Either AS or book timeline
teal imp
Hopefully we get a bit more info on HN2 for it's lore
I hope they dont make hn2 be in the AS timeline
teal imp
AS is an anomaly, it broke the canon
this is why a CEO shouldnt be responcible for the lore
im desprate so im looking into the possibility of it being the AS`s timelines version of it
snow mauve
AS=Glitchtrap
what
safe charm
But what does AS have to do with the mimic?
Nothing
snow mauve
ok?
ripe berry
yeah I did, I said... THE MIMIC
teal imp
no way THE MIMIC????
shell gull
oh god i-its t-t-the ||THE MIMIC||
silver cargo
Ah hell nah.
blazing blaze
shy kindle
Bruh
shy kindle
Wait a second, did anyone noticed that the cut character Man in the hat looked like quentin's brother? The same nose, same "ear position" everything
snow mauve
Wait a second, did anyone noticed that the cut character Man in the hat looked l...
I don't think they're brothers just because they have similar nose and ears
indigo quest
how does Nicky do this
indigo quest
so true
leaden nest
August 12 2036, The Heat Death Of The Universe
glacial whale
What has this devolved into?
teal imp
August 12 2036, The Heat Death Of The Universe
its been delayed
leaden nest
k
fallow spade
ripe berry
Being Simming doesn't prevent me from finding out lore
so time to figure out what that is
shell gull
so time to figure out what that is
Hehehe…I won’t tell.
ripe berry
"He wanted to gain access to it again" is what I got
shell gull
"He wanted to gain access to it again" is what I got
Spot on, what could it mean? I’ll give another one again shortly, also Hint: The Dates.
Wha
That’s not good
I’ll have to rewrite it, sorry.
wicked heath
"He wanted to gain access to it again" is what I got
to the luck thingy?
ripe berry
That's odd, 10 years after the founding Sir Bently went missing and might've been killed, same with those 5 people who went missing that you mentioned in the now deleted lore bit the Other Founder seems suspicious here, maybe there's something to do with clones or replacing people going on here? Bently tried to reaccess (the park?, the restaraunt? Not Sure.) and that is why he went missing for 2 months, seemingly never to be found again. Welcoem to HNG Lore my friend, where the hellfire tht is confusing timelines and lore is worse then FNaF
wicked heath
That's odd, 10 years after the founding Sir Bently went missing and might've bee...
whats that
Its so much letters...
GAAAAA
shell gull
That's odd, 10 years after the founding Sir Bently went missing and might've bee...
I’ll tell you this, one theory you had is very close to the truth.
wicked heath
but... but the books were written by professional writer...
shell gull
but... but the books were written by professional writer...
Is this NOT professional…how dare you!!! /j
wicked heath
Is this NOT professional…how dare you!!! /j
show me your certificate... :(...
shell gull
show me your certificate... :(...
Here:
wicked heath
I dont see it...
shell gull
I dont see it...
Exactly.
wicked heath
so it proves my point...\
shell gull
so it proves my point...\
No it’s right Here:
ripe berry
I’ll tell you this, one theory you had is very close to the truth.
Time to try to figure out which theory that is
Hold on, gotta do something rq, brb
shell gull
if i cant see it, how am i supposed to do...
It’s right Here:
ripe berry
If you like [Mysteries] investigate the Missing Cases of HNG, they're so [FIND THEM SAVE THEM] that it'll [blow your mind] to [Mars] and back
shell gull
If you like [Mysteries] investigate the Missing Cases of HNG, they're so [FIND T...
Huh.
Uh oh.
shell gull
you must save us.......
No.
shell gull
Lore go crazy.
That was an actual good Voice, Depkins will you do something for me?
(Save me as well)
ripe berry
Welcome to [hell] Sh1mpnut
Sh1mpnut seems to have been kidnapped aswell, will someone [FIND THEM] now that Sh1mp is gone
undone birch
For hardcore Hello Neighbor fans, everything before is now considered non canon correct? Like the books and everything? The only canon things we have to go off are: HN1, HN hide and seek, HN2 and the animated series correct?
stiff spire
For hardcore Hello Neighbor fans, everything before is now considered non canon ...
yup everything related to the books and such is now considered non-canon they only take the games now
it's a weird choice imo
safe charm
For hardcore Hello Neighbor fans, everything before is now considered non canon ...
Its kinda complicated
Tbh becouse some games like the vr game connects with the book while hn2 almost seems like a mix of the AS and old book canon
So we dont really know ourself longer lol
violet juniper
There should actually be a HNG lore discussion channel
teal imp
For hardcore Hello Neighbor fans, everything before is now considered non canon ...
it seems like hn1 itself was retconned because a lot of the things the CEO has said dont match up with what happens in hn1
like in the game Aaron saves Nicky|| (we also see this at the end of hnvr)|| but Alex said its actually Nicky who saves Aaron which frankly doesnt make sense considering we have 2 games showing us otherwise?
violet juniper
it seems like hn1 itself was retconned because a lot of the things the CEO has s...
It's unbelievable that the main game of the franchise is not canon
teal imp
It's unbelievable that the main game of the franchise is not canon
according to what alex said its incredibly retconned that it can barely be considered canon
mostly because of needless changes that only make things worse
violet juniper
mostly because of needless changes that only make things worse
Yeah
teal imp
they could have at least tried to make the AS follow the games but instead it contradicts the books and games
then they insist that the AS is THE CANON
violet juniper
they could have at least tried to make the AS follow the games but instead it co...
It could've been interesting but well
violet juniper
then they insist that the AS is THE CANON
What I do is consider the things I want as canon
teal imp
I wouldnt be mad about the AS if they actually made the lore make sense
but it just makes things worse
I cant consider it canon
and im not sure if I consider hn2 canon because they changed the story late into development to fit the AS and that just made things worse
hn2 and hnvr dont tie in eachother at all
hnvr fits perfectly with the other games
but hn2 just doesnt
violet juniper
I consider canon everything except the AS and HN2
violet juniper
I consider canon everything except the AS and HN2
Basically old lore
teal imp
I consider canon everything except the AS and HN2
its a shame that the AS had to drag hn2 into this mess
Im just really dislike the direction alex wants this series to go
violet juniper
its a shame that the AS had to drag hn2 into this mess
Yeah I actually like it but the lore...
teal imp
its just doesnt feel right
teal imp
Yeah I actually like it but the lore...
hn2`s story is awful
if you can even call it that
violet juniper
hn2`s story is awful
Agreed
tribal talon
You need to find who the question mark is
hng arg peak...
violet juniper
hng arg peak...
Does it say taking or making??
tribal talon
Does it say taking or making??
taking...
tribal talon
Btw is this a part of it?
idk
tribal talon
Sooo one of you is not actually simming?
yes...
bleak spear
I dont think so
undone birch
and im not sure if I consider hn2 canon because they changed the story late into...
Hello Neighbor 2 does feel like it has a lot of explaining to do as far as like how the other characters in the game come into play and really it feels incomplete obviously they will have updates but at least with HN1 it was a decent story line about the neighbor and his son and then Hide and Seek was amazing with the story line and gave some insight to what happened, haven’t played VR yet so I’ll have to see about that one
bleak spear
Hnvr has a lot of lore
safe charm
Hello Neighbor 2 does feel like it has a lot of explaining to do as far as like ...
True hn2 story
Is very vauge
undone birch
Also in the AS is the neighbor just straight up murdering random people? Cuz it seemed that way more or less
wicked heath
Also in the AS is the neighbor just straight up murdering random people? Cuz it ...
Are you sure he is the one murdering them? I mean we did see him harming the Taxidermist, but surely hes not dead.
Are you certain you saw him killing that Realtor, the Clerk and even the business people?
undone birch
True true
safe charm
Also in the AS is the neighbor just straight up murdering random people? Cuz it ...
Ikr
It doesnt feel like him
But we aren sure hes murdering people but still
His beahavior is weird
undone birch
Im not too fimiliar with the lore outside the games but I really don’t want them to make him an evil person. Like in the games seemed like he was just trying to protect his son and keep his last family member safe from police/others. He always just kicked Nicky out until he found out too much then he just locked him up, he never murdered him or anything. Now I know there’s a lot with the cult and everything but like I said hope they don’t make him evil, I’m okay with him being a little bad but I want him to still be redeemable which Aaron kind of showed that at the end of 2
safe charm
Im not too fimiliar with the lore outside the games but I really don’t want them...
Same
wicked heath
Im not too fimiliar with the lore outside the games but I really don’t want them...
In the books, he never actually kicked nicky out...
safe charm
I dont like mr Peterson being a evil Guy
wicked heath
The only reason you respawn in Act 3 is just because its a dream. In Act 1, when you get caught, time doesnt skip
because you arent meant to get caught early
safe charm
Tbh AS seems more like its own thing to me
wicked heath
Cus if you did, youd be in the basement by now