lore-discussion

[ripe berry]

so yeah the Guest can kinda shapeshift

[teal imp]

I wonder....

[snow mauve]

Plus he doesn't even move out the way, when the crow statue just falls on him

[ripe berry]

But HN2 Aaron shows just the right amount of emotion I doubt him being the Guest in disguise

[safe charm]

Ok so please explain to me when did new lore start development

[teal imp]

I just dont want Aaron in hn2 it uses him in a really lame and unoriginal way

[snow mauve]

Like bro should've just step aside quick

[snow mauve]

Welp it is what it is

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[snow mauve]

Least now that's not Quentin's focus anymore

[ripe berry]

Like the Guest could fake Aaron but he wouldn't fake crying when the Statue falls on Ted

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin's focus is now the infamous goose...

[teal imp]

not even sure why they made it be the main part of the game

[snow mauve]

Because why not

[teal imp]

I hope they atleast patch out the CCTV cams

[snow mauve]

And I think it's helpful

For people who still don't understand

Who's in the basement in the original game

Or what Ted had the whole time

[unkempt sleet]

Not everyone reads books, so yea

[snow mauve]

Exactly

[ripe berry]

They didn't have enough time for the Guest stuff so they had to change the focus and made it Aaron because who else would be the focus

[safe charm]

I’m just hear trying to piece it together

[snow mauve]

Plus some people might've not play hello neighbor hide and seek

[safe charm]

Somebody help

[unkempt sleet]

Yea because of the "peak" gameplay of that game...

[ripe berry]

if not Guest there's no real reason to investigate unless they put Aaron (or at least something that looks like Aaron) in there

[teal imp]

wait I just realised something gonna make a suggestion brb

[safe charm]

Me my brain is on fire

[snow mauve]

I wish that game got more attention

It had a really great story

[safe charm]

Is the gn canons?

[unkempt sleet]

Yea, it was cool

[snow mauve]

And honestly charming gameplay

[shell gull]

I see chat is having a whine in here

[snow mauve]

Yes

[shell gull]

Settle down kids

Now tell me

[snow mauve]

What

[shell gull]

What’s going on?

[unkempt sleet]

Oh, the lore master is here

[shell gull]

Papas here to help

[unkempt sleet]

The hell is gonna start

[safe charm]

Um the usual

[unkempt sleet]

Nooooo

[shell gull]

?

[ripe berry]

Welcome Sh1mpnut welcome to hell

[safe charm]

What is canon or not

Bla bla bla

[shell gull]

Thank you

[unkempt sleet]

Everything is canon

[safe charm]

But how help me

Understand

[shell gull]

We went over that yesterday, everything is canon to the AU it belongs.

[unkempt sleet]

Mayak is shifting reality
Everything is canon now haha

[snow mauve]

Or you can just come up with your own canon

[unkempt sleet]

Yes

True

[snow mauve]

Like me preferring the games are only canon

[snow mauve]

And not the books or AS

[ripe berry]

This makes me think the Aaron in HN2 is a faker who looks like Aaron but isn't

[unkempt sleet]

Peak mindset

[snow mauve]

That's just me preferring that way

[safe charm]

Or maybe everything is canon

Idk

[shell gull]

No…trust me I searched up Peoples head canons, and I regret it, you don’t wanna know what I saw, but I regret it.

[snow mauve]

I honestly miss doing that

[ripe berry]

and then HN2 can be canon to Old Lore

[snow mauve]

That's just on them

Not on you

[unkempt sleet]

That sounds too complicated tbh

[safe charm]

Should I?

[unkempt sleet]

Its like the Fake Neighbor

[safe charm]

👀

[ripe berry]

Nicky is Quentin

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin is young neighbor...

[safe charm]

Quentin is a war criminal

[shell gull]

Yeah but #lore-discussion message

[shell gull]

Agreed

[ripe berry]

Yeah the Fake Neighbor made me think they would even actually do that plotline in the first place

[unkempt sleet]

Not the wall text

Tedt wall

[safe charm]

That’s the lore

[snow mauve]

I never thought of that way

[unkempt sleet]

Ted wall...

[safe charm]

Mentally insane journalist moves into

Town

Starts to harrash

[unkempt sleet]

Theodore was a wall guys

[safe charm]

The residents

[unkempt sleet]

Pack it up guys, thats all the lore of Hello Neighbor

[shell gull]

Nicky and Quentin Fusion

[unkempt sleet]

Erm actually he was listening to his heart
He was trying to save a little kid...

Also the town people are in a cult anyway

Evil people

😟

[safe charm]

My headcanon

He’s just trying get popularity

By saving Aaron

[unkempt sleet]

Quentin was a youtuber!

[shell gull]

I know how to make chat quiet in Lore Discussion: Measure how well constructed these are

[ripe berry]

Explain the plot holes HN2 being Old Lore creates and I'll try to see if it's small enough I can come up with a reasonable explanation

[unkempt sleet]

"Hello guys, today we are in raven broosk. Were gonna save a poor kid, like the video if tou think i can do that!"

[ripe berry]

N/A

[safe charm]

Damn twisted egg is sure taking his time writing that feedback

😟

[unkempt sleet]

He's gonna say remove Aaron...

Because hes an evil child...

[ripe berry]

Aaron is the only big hole in the timeline I'm aware of but even then as I said "Aaron" could be a impostor and not the actual Aaron in HN2

[safe charm]

Aaron sucks though

I hate him

From the bottom of my heart

[unkempt sleet]

I dont like that, but eh thats your theory

[ripe berry]

Using evidence from within HN2 and the achievements of the game itself no-less

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-stressed-crazy-homework-music-gif-13036231

The hn theorists trying to piece the lore together

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[unkempt sleet]

My solution to Aaron in HN2 is that Theodore was rhe dragging Aaron in the end of HNVR.
More detailed explanation
#hello-neighbor message

[ripe berry]

I still haven't fully thought through everything yet but at least it's a explanation that is present in the game itself and doesn't require outside material to explain is

[unkempt sleet]

Thats what im gonna believe

[ripe berry]

and it doesn't contradict the cut scream at the end of HNVR

[unkempt sleet]

I dont care if its what they intended
Thats what i believe

[shell gull]

Ted not being Sleep Deprived, Why Ted is Dragging Aaron inside instead of Outside (As he dragged him at the end in this scenario), Hurricane not present fully, How Ted Dragged Aaron into the Nest or got out, Why The Guest wasn’t present in the Museum and Beta was Spoiler Free as Old Lore (No mentioning of easily noticeable remnants of Old HN2).

[ripe berry]

That's fine, it's your belief and mine's mine

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

Thats the beauty of theorising

[shell gull]

Nicest Lore Theorist Quote of All time

[safe charm]

So stalker Leslie

[unkempt sleet]

Different explanations to same things

[safe charm]

Real

That’s my theory

[unkempt sleet]

Leslie was always the Goose

[shell gull]

I would’ve worded it as “Shut Up no one cares about your opinion” but that works to /j

[ripe berry]

I already explained I don't believe HN2 Aaron is the same as the Aaron from every other HN media or else the Family Lost Achievement name wouldn't make sense with the context of the scene it's tied to

[teal imp]

ok im back and I made a suggestion that I think could help with the story of hn2 #1141466482581192828 message

thoughts?

[safe charm]

Good

[shell gull]

It does…kinda, the Family was broken, that’s why at the end it was reunion, as Aaron forgave Ted, while in that Cutscene he didn’t trust him anymore and didn’t want to be near him.

[ripe berry]

Ted not being sleep deprived is a problem regardless of the lore tied to it

[unkempt sleet]

Upvoted

[ripe berry]

Hurrricane might not have happened yet

Guest not being present at the Museum could've been caused by them cutting stuff

[teal imp]

thanks

I really wish Quentin gets to do some actual investigating in chapter 2

[shell gull]

Then why not just add a crow there or a shadow of him.

[ripe berry]

Some of the stuff they're readding in future chapters

[safe charm]

Maybe it will come back

[shell gull]

Then

In that case

We wait

[teal imp]

like I love the idea of Quentin being this nosy Journalist who discovers something he shouldnt have

[unkempt sleet]

"More complex investigations"....
I hope that happens

[ripe berry]

Crow Statue already seems to be a entity and may or may not be the Guest

[teal imp]

ingame they just give him the answer in the full game

[ripe berry]

They at least have the same motives

[safe charm]

No not 2 entitys as well my brain!

Is overloaded

[ripe berry]

but they seem to have two different methods for getting to that goal

[shell gull]

Yeah but, the Crow Statue is just something symbolic, it was Symbolic of the Cult, Guest and is Symbolic of Quentin being scared and feeling unsafe as it haunts him.

[shell gull]

Ok.

[unkempt sleet]

And the Cult is fueled by greed!

[ripe berry]

(For instance Crow Statue attacks Quentin immediately in the dream at the beginning of Chapter 2 but the Guest seems to wait until Quentin is outside the Catacombs to then betray and attack Quentin)

[unkempt sleet]

Peak

[shell gull]

Ik this just sound Delusional, but still seems Symbolic, It showed that The Cult were dangerous and can be foreshadow, it already Foreshadowed Falling on Ted, and can be again with The Guest betrayal.

[ripe berry]

I know I'm only using one point but we don't got enough points of reference for the Crow Statue to ake comparisons

[ripe berry]

I'm not denying the symbolism

I'm thinking about what it could actually be in-universe and not the symbolic relations for it

[shell gull]

Ik, but I feel an Entity itself is a little far fetched, not saying it’s wrong either it makes sense, but I feel at the slightest Foreshadow and Symbolism works.

[ripe berry]

The symbols on the fountain help my case of the Crow Statue being a entity

[shell gull]

True

[ripe berry]

As it seems to tell the story of the Founding of the Cult on it (Whatever Entity is using the Crow Statue to represent itself making a deal with presumably a Tavish to have someone captured)

[shell gull]

I’m not denying Old Lore being present in HN2, out of everything I’d love that, but I feel it’s a little odd on how it connects to me, I’m just gonna wait for Chapter 2, and I swear if it does conclude HN2 as Old Lore then that means AS is just a stand alone show.

[shell gull]

Will be amazing

[ripe berry]

yep, I'm not 100% on the side of HN2 being Old Lore I'm thinking at the very least it's like we can use details/plot points/threads from it until it gets contradictory to established information for that particular lore

Since they seem to have several Old Lore references but then the key plot detail of Aaron requires New Lore to work

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s how I feel

Idk how they would work it

Because it’s clear The Guest dragged Aaron into The Nest

Mouse pointed it out first

So idk

[ripe berry]

The Cult has just enough blank info on it that the founding explanation given by the game works as the explanation in Old Lore

[shell gull]

Mhm, makes sense how The Cult came back to.

[ripe berry]

so I'm letting myself treat that as canon as it's not contradictory to anything that already existed in Old Lore

[shell gull]

For now, both works.

[ripe berry]

(Hell if a little potential connection of mostly otherwise irrelevant details me and a friend theorized it's actually tied to stuff from the Old Lore)

[shell gull]

Ah yes

1984

As the Safe code

The Mayors Magazine

Dates

Felt like leftovers

[safe charm]

I promise you guys if the canon becomes cohesive again im gonna dance in happiness

[ripe berry]

Na I wasn't talking the 1984 safe code it's more like a minor irrelevant TV Broadcast in HN1 may give more explanation for why the people who made a deal wanted someone captured

(Basically when translated one of them seem to be talking the 60th anniversary of some kind of war)

and it'd explain why the symbol representing the deal on the fountain is the exact same symbol on a statue found in HN1

[shell gull]

Hmmm

[ripe berry]

(I know it's irrelevant stuff but still a connection is a connection nonetheless)

[safe charm]

So any progress on piecing together the lore

[ripe berry]

It's tied to the War 60 years before HN1 (which funnily enough also happens to be in the "uncharted" parts of HN Timeline as I call it where there'd be nothing to combat it being the reasoning)

[shell gull]

Nsjakamannsnsk

Yes

No

Yes

No

No

Yes

Yes

That sums it up

[safe charm]

😟

God why can’t everything just make sense

[ripe berry]

there's almost nothing on what happened in the 1930s in HN lore so anything that ties to something stated as happened in the 1930s can't be disproven

[safe charm]

😭

Everything gotta be so complicated

6 canons

And they overlap sometimes

[shell gull]

To me I imagined that was when The Town founded sometime after WW2, and one of the first building was The Museum based on its architecture.

[ripe berry]

the Cult was around by the 1940's-1950's but we don't got anything before the 1940's other then the 1927 door code in HNVR which might be Roger and/or Adelle Peterson's Birth-year

[ripe berry]

I agree with the Museum being one of the first buildings made in the town

[shell gull]

👍🏻

I also feel The Museum wasn’t always a Museum

[ripe berry]

Hell I think it was at one point the house of the founder of the town

[shell gull]

based on the interior

[shell gull]

Agreed

I believe that too

It feels like a mansion

[ripe berry]

Hence why they'd make it of all buildings the Museum

[shell gull]

There’s small corridor rooms, a front desk, some hallways that loop, so yeah it makes sense and I don’t doubt that at all.

[ripe berry]

Heck the Gray Manor also feels like a mansion and the Gray Manor is commonly known to have been a concept version of the Museum

[shell gull]

It was literally a Placeholder for the Museum so…

[ripe berry]

the interior in the footage of Alpha 2 (Adam confirmed that's the interior) also feels too much like a house and not like a Museum so it supports the idea of the Museum at one point being a house

I wonder if someone could pinpoint the exact era the Museum's architecture came out of

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

Let me see

This is a picture of a Mansion in the early to Late 1940s

[safe charm]

Wow

Looks like the museum

Kinda

[ripe berry]

Yeah looks similar

Gives the same kind of vibe

[safe charm]

So what is up with the guest in the story

Is he a separate thing

From the cult

[shell gull]

Bro

These are Manors

And this one right here

Just like The Museum

It was according to the thing

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/juiceshocked-surprised-spit-drinking-gif-8143046

[shell gull]

“A Oak wood built Manor”

[safe charm]

It’s a godamn manor

[ripe berry]

These also looks similar to buildings from the 1930s so my 1930s guess ain't too far off

[shell gull]

Mhm

What I’m thinking about

Is the Roof

Definitely odd

Let me see

[ripe berry]

After all (iirc) the war the broadcast from HN1 talks about was a war for independence from something so the town would be founded in ~1937 if that's correct

[safe charm]

Why are we only

Piecing everything together now

Just took 7 months lol

[shell gull]

Great news, Old Manors from the 1920s to 1950s did indeed have bolted hard roofs

[ripe berry]

We've spent long enough shitting on the lore so now we're bothering to timeline fact-check it

[ripe berry]

They actually bothered to the make the Museum fit the time period that the town seems to have been founded in

[shell gull]

Wow

So the guess is

Late 1930s

[ripe berry]

I assume the Museum is probably canonically on the border of Old Town

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Same

[shell gull]

We know it’s canonically in the Deep Woods

[safe charm]

So anything new on the guest now that we are actually trying

To piece this together

[shell gull]

No.

Just No.

[safe charm]

😟 oh well

[ripe berry]

the War talked about that presumably led to the founding of the Town ended in 1936-1937 so that's my placement for RB's Founding Date

Imma just stick with 1937

[keen glen]

Remember when people thought the guest was Aaron.

[shell gull]

Then I’d imagine construction slowed won during WW2 explaining why the Architecture of The Museum is odd and is bolted.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

the building that becomes the Museum is built not too long after that

[shell gull]

Good times.

[shell gull]

Mhm

[keen glen]

Its still a bad theory not gonna lie

[safe charm]

Not really at the time of alpha 1 imo

[shell gull]

Presumably the Founders Mansion

[safe charm]

Since we didn’t know

[ripe berry]

Back when we didn't know what a Guest World was and AS Episode 2 wasn't even really much of a thought

[keen glen]

Ahhhh good old times when nicky was teds son

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

When hn2 was gonna take place

[shell gull]

Also

There’s a Garage

[keen glen]

Whats the guest world.??

[shell gull]

Which meant it had to be during the time of Cars were used a lot

So…

[safe charm]

An alternate

Reality

Basically

[shell gull]

The Nest

It’s a pocket dimension

[safe charm]

Also called the nest

[keen glen]

👀

[shell gull]

Seen in GN2

[keen glen]

dang.

[safe charm]

🧌

[shell gull]

SHUT

[keen glen]

🗿

[ripe berry]

The garage still works as Cars started being given to the masses in ~1914

[shell gull]

Mhm

Also

Searched up the history of Garages (Ik sounds stupid)

[keen glen]

Also anyone know when ep 3 in AS coming out?

[ripe berry]

na

[snow mauve]

Never

[ripe berry]

Imma guess that they existed before 1930's?

[shell gull]

During the Late 1930s Garages would be usually built mainly if only Wood, Slab and Textured Concrete.

[shell gull]

Mhm

[keen glen]

dang it I actually like the AS.

[shell gull]

Ahem

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/einstein-smart-think-thinking-idea-gif-13060822

The chat right now

[shell gull]

The Museum Garage is built out of straight Concrete

[ripe berry]

Alex was going to release it in the summer but it had to be delayed

[snow mauve]

You mean Spring

[keen glen]

Probably going to be released in like December

[ripe berry]

yep

[shell gull]

So yeah

[snow mauve]

It was actually Spring that he was originally gonna let em out

[shell gull]

The Museum is literally the Architecture of a Manor in the Late 1930s

Via meaning it was a Manor originally

[ripe berry]

Modern garage doors started being made in the 1920's

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

I assume you mean 1930s?

[shell gull]

Yeah my bad

[ripe berry]

They really did their homework when designing the Museum to make everything line up

[shell gull]

Yeah

So yeah it’s safe to assume the Museum was someone’s Manor

And got reverted to a Museum

[safe charm]

Meanwhile we have been here laughing over how the museum

[ripe berry]

At this point I won't be surprised if the Bedroom lines up with what existed in the 1930s

[safe charm]

Doesn’t feel like a museum

[shell gull]

Time to check

[snow mauve]

Well that's just HN2

[safe charm]

When we are the stupid ones

Lol

[shell gull]

Wait we already have

[safe charm]

Actually it might be that it’s a manor originally

[ripe berry]

Since it and the Bathroom seem to be the only rooms that are from when the house was still just a manor

[shell gull]

It kinda lines up

You have the random stools and chairs as decor

[safe charm]

But it got remade into a museum

[ripe berry]

Specifically one from the Late 1930's to Early 1940's

[shell gull]

The book cases

The chairs fit the vibe

The painting homage

Garage is made out of straight concrete

[ripe berry]

Again the devs did their homework with making the Museum work as a house from the late 1930's when RB seems to have been founded

[shell gull]

Bolted hard Roof

Dark Oak wood

Looped cycle stairs

It’s fits

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Name a detail and we can say with almost 100% certainty it'll line up

[shell gull]

It makes sense having one of the first building be something big for the Founder.

[ripe berry]

Time to do the thing I wasn't expecting to do in my lifetime for one final check in looking up how bathrooms from the 1930s looked to see if the Bathroom in the Museum lines up with a actual Bathroom from that time period

[shell gull]

Lol

[ripe berry]

The Bedroom lined up so why wouldn't the Bathroom

[safe charm]

So anybody think we will get a cutscene of mj going missing I heard that the beta barn was actually how mj went missing but Quentin in place

Of mj

[snow mauve]

Risking it for a biscuit

[shell gull]

BRO

[ripe berry]

Lemme just load up HN2 rq so I can compare the assets to the pictures

[shell gull]

The bathtub in the middle

[safe charm]

[shell gull]

Just like The Museum

[safe charm]

My whole world

Is turned upside down it actually makes sense

[shell gull]

They even have the furnishing

[safe charm]

Ok so um attic

Search for that

[ripe berry]

The sink in this image I found looks like what I remember the Museum Bathroom sink in the Beta looking like

[shell gull]

OMG

[ripe berry]

Everything lines up

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

At this point I won't be surprised if the entire building fits with that time period

[shell gull]

OMG

The attic too

[ripe berry]

[safe charm]

[ripe berry]

The Devs REALLY did their homework here in making the Museum line up

[shell gull]

It all lines up

These are all Manors

[safe charm]

I feel bad now

[ripe berry]

At this point I won't be surprised if even the rooms that have been modified line up with what they'd look like in the 1930s

[keen glen]

You guys discovering all these new things claps

[shell gull]

Hold on

[safe charm]

Just took almost a year

Well 7 months

[keen glen]

Dude all these new lore things i dont know about confused pretty much

[shell gull]

Bro

[ripe berry]

We finally decided to try to fact-check the Museum's appearance, and just when we thought there was nothing left to figure out in HN2

[shell gull]

Even the guard rails

!!!!

Omg

The corridor too

[safe charm]

Imagine there’s lore

That we barely touched

[ripe berry]

ain't no way they bothered to make the entire Museum line up

[shell gull]

They did

[safe charm]

That shows how much they care

Then

[keen glen]

That means they care about the lore!?

[snow mauve]

NO-

[shell gull]

Bro

I searched up bedrooms in color

From 1930s

Omg

[safe charm]

Wth

[ripe berry]

The Gated Fences around the Museum existed in that time period

[safe charm]

Bro they studied it

[shell gull]

The mirror

[safe charm]

Ok 👏

[keen glen]

🙀

[safe charm]

Eerie guest apploud

We were just dumb

And not paying attention

[shell gull]

No way

Nooo wayyyy

[ripe berry]

The abstract art near the entrance to cover a hole in the Museum's Wall lines up as Abstarct Art existed in the 1930s

[shell gull]

It all lines up

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-crazy-dumbanddumber-jimcarrey-unbelievable-gif-5296701

[shell gull]

It all lines up

Even the guard rails

Line up

[safe charm]

Did they revive a guy who worked on old mansions from the dead

It’s exactly the same

[ripe berry]

I said they did their homework on this but even I didn't expect them to pay this much attention to the little details

[keen glen]

This discussion is discovering a whole new universe

[shell gull]

So uhh guys

[ripe berry]

So that's why they didn't have time to properly implement the Guest into the game

[shell gull]

I searched up Manor entrance 1930s

And uhh

[safe charm]

Museum

In real life

[shell gull]

So I searched up front lobby manor entrance 1930s and uhh

[ripe berry]

Fire Extinguishers existed in the 1930s so the little Fire Extinguisher holder in the Museum lines up

[shell gull]

Double staircase

[ripe berry]

!

[safe charm]

What!!!

It’s 90 procent it’s a manor

[ripe berry]

What the hell have we stumbled upon

[shell gull]

One last one

[safe charm]

Maybe even 95

[shell gull]

Before i go

Hold up

[safe charm]

Okay

[shell gull]

I searched up Manor staircase architecture 1930s

It lines up too

[safe charm]

Oh damn

[shell gull]

I’m out 👋

[ripe berry]

Again they literally did their homework

[safe charm]

Ok bye

[ripe berry]

It's to the point where it can't be a coincidence

[safe charm]

Wouldn’t surprise

Me if there’s more

We haven’t figured out

[ripe berry]

They intended for this building to be a 1930's manor

[safe charm]

It isn’t one

It can’t be a coincidence

Otherwise um the universe is shattering

[ripe berry]

If this was a coincidence then I'm giving up on HN Lore

[safe charm]

Same lmao

[safe charm]

What if the crow

Statue is haunted

By someone or something

[ripe berry]

maybe but I doubt it based off the timeline parts I've already thrown together

Wait a minute lemme check something

[safe charm]

Ok

[ripe berry]

Yeah there's no known possession or ghosts before 1984 in the franchise

So I doubt it

Especially since this being presumably helped end the war by capturing someone

[safe charm]

So what is the guest then in confused on him still

[ripe berry]

Also the fricking bench outside the Museum lines up with benches in the 1930s

[safe charm]

Omg

But seriously

What is the guest role

[ripe berry]

The Bench!

[safe charm]

Lol

[ripe berry]

No clue

[safe charm]

🫠

[ripe berry]

at this point I'm just going through stuff near the Museum and seeing if it lines up

[safe charm]

But does this

Look like the museum in your opinion

[ripe berry]

yeah it does

[safe charm]

To me it does

[ripe berry]

It looks a lot liek the Museum

[safe charm]

This is what 1940

Museum looks like

Wait

[ripe berry]

Around the same time as the Museum in HN2 being built

[safe charm]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5e52f79c0260e664b9064208/1586108648753-TC3HQE61ETM4LIB8FA4X/OpeningDay.jpg

This is a museum

Doesn’t look

Like the museum in hn 2

[ripe berry]

Bro if the fricking upside down chandelier lines up-

or however you spell it

[safe charm]

Gonna check

[shell gull]

Yeah but we believe it was first a Manor

[safe charm]

Ik

[shell gull]

And everything Manors line up

[safe charm]

I’m supporting

That idea by showing

A museum

[shell gull]

I see

[safe charm]

Which doesn’t at all look

Like hn2 museum

[ripe berry]

BRO

[safe charm]

But this do

[shell gull]

No way

[shell gull]

This is also a Manor

Looks just like the Museum

[safe charm]

Yea

[ripe berry]

This looks a lot like the HN2 Chandelier in the upside down room

They either used references or they happened to get lucky and make everything line up

[shell gull]

What I’m questioning, is if they did their homework on the Museum, what else have they done their homework on?

[ripe berry]

Pretty sure even the Drop-Down Attics existed in the 1930s

There ain't no way this building just accidentially happens to line up with 1930s Manors

Can someone send me a image of the fossil in the Museum rq Imma do one last check

[shell gull]

Bro

[safe charm]

Fossil?

[shell gull]

I searched up Late 1930s Manor

[safe charm]

👀

[ripe berry]

The thing in the attic above the cage

I know it was added in there after-the-fact but Imma still check it anyways

[untold lark]

wait

so the museum was a manor?

[safe charm]

It has to have been

[ripe berry]

I'm gonna check if this sea monster thing (this is a bad reference image) existed at some point and if it was discovered by the 1930s

[ripe berry]

yep

Everything lines up

[safe charm]

Another old manor

[ripe berry]

From the roof to even the little details like the Sink in the Bathroom

[shell gull]

It fits

Perfect

[shell gull]

Yup

[safe charm]

Bro

[ripe berry]

Not only have we pinpointed the Museum's Creation Timeframe

[safe charm]

It’s freaking

Identical

[ripe berry]

By proxy we've pinpointed when RB was founded

[ripe berry]

Yep

[shell gull]

But it’s Architecture Origin too

We know it’s a Manor

[ripe berry]

If this is all a coincidence then HN Lore is unsolvable

[shell gull]

Originally

[shell gull]

I doubt

How do they get everything perfect

[safe charm]

Gonna search up manor garage

[shell gull]

Already have

And we k ow what they were like

Searched up the history of garages

[ripe berry]

Down to the fricking bathroom sink and the bench outside the Museum no-less

[shell gull]

And yeah it lines up

[shell gull]

Mhm

One last thing

Hold on

[safe charm]

Not sure

If this is from 30 or 40

But still

[ripe berry]

it doesn't matter it's from that timeframe that the building would be built

[untold lark]

i have a theory

about the timeline of the museum

[ripe berry]

Late 1930's to Early 1940's (I personally think it's 1937 to be specific)

[ripe berry]

Go ahead

[shell gull]

No way

Even the fireplace

[safe charm]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUl1lRrwZoQDTqOHLhirigNQgVjyy2QWulWg&usqp=CAU

No freaking way man

Just the color

That’s different

[untold lark]

(it would also make the idea of gerda being one of the halloween kids being scrapped)

[ripe berry]

and I only even thought to ask if it lines up because of the little idea I had of RB being founded in the 1930's

and now not only have we found that to be true, we've found out the devs put a lot of hard work into making every detail of the Museum line up

[safe charm]

This window feels like the windows on

[ripe berry]

(Or I bothered to ask if the Museum's architecture could be pinpointed because of that idea and the idea of the Museum being a Manor at some point)

[safe charm]

The second floor

[ripe berry]

Time to go share this little factoid with my friend rq

[safe charm]

Okay

[safe charm]

What if the bakery

[shell gull]

Little to no Flaw Museum Timeline:
Early 1930s: Town is founded
Late 1930s: Founders Manor is built as a monumental achievement
WW2 begins
1940s: Manor is abandoned
1950s: Manor turned into a Museum
Condition worsens
1960-Early 1980s
Museum Thrives
Condition worsens
Investors try to renovate
Renovation fails
Late 1980s: Museum Abandoned
Conditions bad
Becomes Cult Lair
Cult Abandones it
1990s/2000s (Old Lore or AS)
Becomes Teds Hideout

[safe charm]

Is also from the 40s

Or 30s

[shell gull]

The reason I say The Museum would be abandoned for a decade and then become a Museum is because of WW2 events.

[ripe berry]

This timeline has pretty much 0 flaws

[safe charm]

Another manor

[ripe berry]

Gerda's age makes 80's more likely tbh

[safe charm]

Well she

Doesn’t

[ripe berry]

Yep WW2

[safe charm]

Need to have started it

Maybe she bought it

This is freaking me out lol

How similar

[shell gull]

I mean really yeah

[ripe berry]

The HN2 Devs grabbed a whole lot of reference images when creating the Museum it seems'

At this point Otto's House might line up with a house from the same general time-period since other then the Museum and Ted's House it's the only location important enough to have a mini-model of it made for the Museum's Map of RB

[shell gull]

I’d say Ted house was built late 1940s

[safe charm]

Gotta check

[ripe berry]

and Ted's House is known to have existed ~1947

[shell gull]

And we know got a lot of renovations

[safe charm]

Houses from 47

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

at this point we're just pinning everything down

[safe charm]

Ikr

[shell gull]

I searched home from 1940s

Apparently the same type of color code was used

So yeah

Accurate

[ripe berry]

I feel like Mr. Otto was born on August 1st 1964 since that's the Safe Code for his chapter (minus the "19" part)

or August 1st 1864

One of those two

[shell gull]

Yeah but I don’t see how Otto would be younger than Ted

[safe charm]

Maybe it when his house was built maybe

Nah maybe not

[ripe berry]

or maybe it's Missing Journalist's Birthdate who knows

[shell gull]

Mhm

[ripe berry]

Imma check 1964 houses

[safe charm]

But how old is mj then

1864

Bro is ancient

Kinda funny how we are piecing everything together

Now lol

[shell gull]

BRO

[ripe berry]

1964 would be more likely

[shell gull]

Listen up

[ripe berry]

!?

[shell gull]

I searched up homes from 1964

And scrolled a bit

The triangle shaped

Houses

And yellow color

[ripe berry]

It's Otto's Roof Shape!

[safe charm]

[ripe berry]

and House Color lines up too!

[safe charm]

Wait mayors house

[shell gull]

I’ll do it

[safe charm]

Thanks lol

It has to be very old

[ripe berry]

Wait we don't have any dates to work with for the Mayor's Home

[safe charm]

True

😔

[shell gull]

We know he’s mayor

And we know his house is new

[safe charm]

Oh

[shell gull]

So 90s

GUYS

WAIT

[ripe berry]

?!?!

It's the exact same color-pallete

[shell gull]

Bruh

Nah

[shell gull]

There is no Skippity boppity way

[ripe berry]

At this point might as well check the bakery, library, and maybe even the school and the RBB

They did their homework with every building

[untold lark]

Heres my time line: (this follows old lore)
1933: the mayor thought of an idea of a manor known as "the raven manor"
1934: the final idea was done
1937: the manor was completed
1938: the raven manor opened and was thriving
1939: WW2 begins
1946: the manor was soon closed down due to the storm
1955: the manor was re-opened to a museum
(this is where a huge time skip happens)
1989: due to investment failure the museum shuts down
1990: a cult forms and the museum turns into a hideout
1997: becomes Petersons hideout

[ripe berry]

We know the Library is at least 5 Generations old

The School shut down Decades ago (I'd say ~1970)

and the Banner has existed since at least the 1960's

Imma be back in a bit have to do something rq

[shell gull]

Aight

I’m out too

[untold lark]

does anyone like this timeline?

[wicked heath]

My timeline: Hello Neighbor, Hello Neighbor 2

[safe charm]

Here’s a 1930s town

Has some raven brooks vibes imo

[ripe berry]

Back

[ripe berry]

I'd say this is mostly accurate

[safe charm]

Hi

Again

[safe charm]

Let’s solve hn2 together now

Or well the current stuff

We have

[ripe berry]

We've at least made progress in figuring out the HN Timeline

[safe charm]

Yeah

We have

[ripe berry]

RB is Founded ~1937 with the Museum being built as the Founder's House around that same time period

I thought I was crazy for thinking that even as late as this morning but no the evidence suggests it to be true (at this point only a official statement can prove this to not be true)

[safe charm]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

The Cult seems to also form around this time due to what I think is a war that ended with RB being founded

Or at least some kind of deal to get someone captured

[safe charm]

Yeah

[thick sierra]

Hi

[safe charm]

Maybe the guest they wanted

[ripe berry]

Hello

[safe charm]

To capture

[ripe berry]

Welcome to Hello Neighbor Games!

In Day 1 he's already messed with the only cop in the immediate area

I don't think he canonically wants to try to risk dealing with that cop again

[safe charm]

So I guess we are still

Clueless on the guest

[ripe berry]

yep

We've pinpointed the creation of RB but we don't know anything about the Guest

[safe charm]

Guest is a riddle

[ripe berry]

yep

[safe charm]

Like we know zero

At the moment because the books canonicity

[untold lark]

whats not accurate?

[safe charm]

Is uncertain

At the moment

I really hope alex has found a way to make at least much of the books canon

Such a shame otherwise

[ripe berry]

It's more of a nick-pick but the Cult didn't form in 1990 in Old Lore

[safe charm]

Of just throwing away all that lore

That was built up

[ripe berry]

It existed by the 1960's in Old Lore

and even before then in the 1940's

[safe charm]

Heck gn2 and reset day was supposed to tie into hn2 in some way

Hope that isn’t scrapped

[ripe berry]

same

[safe charm]

If the guest possession storyline is scrapped

I Will be super disappointed

Because they built it up with reset day and gn2 and even with the hn2 alphas

[ripe berry]

yep

[safe charm]

They can’t just scrap all that

[ripe berry]

But other then that nothing can be disproven with your timeline

[safe charm]

Without telling us

[ripe berry]

yeah

[safe charm]

So um what do

You think Alex actually meant by

That canon was flexible

[ripe berry]

no clue

[opal jackal]

Canon cannot be flexible

[safe charm]

But like did he mean what sh1pnut

Said that there multiple canons or that

It can be changed

[safe charm]

So anything

Else we can try to solve lol

[ripe berry]

I mean we can try to pinpoint the era other buildings like the Library, RBB, Bakery, or School come from

[safe charm]

Hell yeah?

[ripe berry]

Bakery will probably be pretty recent and I already gave my guesses there for what eras the other buildings will probably fit in with

[safe charm]

Ok let’s start with

The bakery

When do you think it was built?

[ripe berry]

My guess is around the 1970's-1980's

[safe charm]

Time to figure it out

[ripe berry]

But we really have to check every time period to make sure

[safe charm]

I mean

Kinda

[ripe berry]

Already you found something

and Imma look at something that you'd probably think has no relevance

[safe charm]

Ok

Lol

[ripe berry]

The Sign at the front of the building could help tell when it was built

[safe charm]

Oh

But how

[ripe berry]

I know that sounds insane but hear me out

[safe charm]

Okay

Shout

[ripe berry]

By the 1980's signs commonly used Neon stuff until some kind of legal act that basically prevented Neon Lights near busy Highways

[safe charm]

Oh

Wait the bakery

[ripe berry]

Except for some rare buildings that already had the signs

[safe charm]

Has it right

The neon lights

[ripe berry]

The Bakery Signs at least seems to glow but I can't tell if that's a Neon Light or not at basically Noon

[ripe berry]

But at the very least the sign would probably be considered distracting enough that it'd be made illegal by the Act placing the creation in 1980's sometime

[safe charm]

Yeah

[frosty laurel]

Maybe

[ripe berry]

Especially with all the little extra lights hanging about around the Bakery

So Imma just go with Bakery is made in the 1980's

[safe charm]

Yea

[frosty laurel]

Wait

[ripe berry]

Which lines up with Gerda being ~30 years old in HN2

[frosty laurel]

Ima drop a bomb.

[ripe berry]

?

[frosty laurel]

The neighbor

is

white

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[ripe berry]

Holy frick this man solved the lore

[safe charm]

A 80s bakery

[frosty laurel]

Im a genuis

[ripe berry]

I'm gonna start trying to pinpoint when the Middle School in HN2 was made or at least when it shut down

[safe charm]

Hm

[frosty laurel]

yeah

I may look into it

What about the creepy house with the feathers in the front yard

WIth the broken gate

You have to do some sick parkour to get up there

Like some batman moves

[ripe berry]

Actually you know it's kinda hard to find images of Schools on google that ain't class photos so Imma just do the library

[safe charm]

Ok

[ripe berry]

I'm gonna work with the assumption the library opened in the 1930s

We're already off to a good start since the Gated Fences from the Museum are also on the Library

This looks similar to the entrance area of the Library

Same style of staircase here as on the Museum

[safe charm]

Makes sense

[ripe berry]

The Lamp Looks similar to a Lamp I found

[safe charm]

Finally

We are piecing things together

[safe charm]

So remember the 4 colors

[ripe berry]

?

[safe charm]

On a bg house

It’s like papers red green yellow

[ripe berry]

I think I do

[safe charm]

What if that’s supposed to tell

Us which order the tapes

Are supposed to play

In lore

[ripe berry]

It was originally a hint to that

When the Tapes were still of a ritual

[safe charm]

Maybe still is

In some way

[ripe berry]

The Streetlamps outside the Library line up with lamps from the 1930s aswell

Red green yellow blue I think it was

for the papers

[safe charm]

Hm interesting

[ripe berry]

or maybe it was reversed

[safe charm]

Wait so why are

There featheres

All over town

[ripe berry]

Cult stuff

I guess

[safe charm]

Bro nothing is about the guest lmao

He’s just non existent currently

Like why are there so little guest references

Isn’t he a big part of the towns history

Like folklore

[safe charm]

I guess guest

Origin Is never gonna get revealed

[shell gull]

No.

[safe charm]

Nikita said that

[shell gull]

When?

[safe charm]

During a livestream

The alpha 1 or pre alpha

[shell gull]

He said his character was based on folklore

[safe charm]

He said the guest isn’t

[shell gull]

And beliefs

[safe charm]

New to raven

Brooks he’s a raven brooks folklore

[shell gull]

If I remember correctly, he said he was based on a folklore parade.

[safe charm]

That too

[shell gull]

Costume.

[safe charm]

But he also

[shell gull]

Yeah in GN2

That’s what he meant

[safe charm]

He answered a question if the guest is a new

Character or not

[shell gull]

In the town no

[safe charm]

And he said in the lore he’s a raven brooks

[shell gull]

Because of GN2

[safe charm]

Folklore

[shell gull]

YEAH

[safe charm]

Calm down

[shell gull]

In GN2 through RD

[safe charm]

Like chill lol

[shell gull]

I am chill.

?

[safe charm]

Well anyways imo

Guest has existed a very long time

[safe charm]

Probably since idk 1100 lol

[shell gull]

It’s always Opinion when it comes to Lore, not the fact or the obvious.

In Old Lore he’s Most Likely an E.O.M. And still could be in HN2, and AS we don’t know much but based on what we’ve seen, he’s a Curse summoned by The Cult and realizes The Cult will do anything for him, and takes advantage of that.

[safe charm]

Omg the summoning thing isn’t a fact or obvious anymore

[shell gull]

Still is

[safe charm]

It could very well be

The guest sneaking into a cult ritual

[shell gull]

It’s still obvious that he has to do with The Cult

[shell gull]

Doesn’t make sense but ok.

And how does that explain Chapter 2 and AS?

[safe charm]

Not really

He seems seperate

[shell gull]

Let me guess “Because in your opinion he seems not to be”

[safe charm]

I think the guest just created itself

Like a curse

It just exists

[shell gull]

That’s what a curse is

Great your realizing

[safe charm]

Omg just let me not believe your theory

I don’t believe he’s summoned no

Not enough evidence

[shell gull]

I’m not, what I’m saying is you can not look at the obvious and call it something else, that’s the problem I’m not saying to believe my theory which is literally twisting my words, but it’s legit just starting at the obvious or fact, but you don’t like the truth so you make your own fan fiction, that’s the problem.

[safe charm]

A lot of people think he wasn’t summoned

I’m not the only one

[shell gull]

I’m saying The Cult and Guest have something to do with each other

Your disagreeing with that

[safe charm]

Well maybe they

[ripe berry]

Guest has existed since at least ~1970

[safe charm]

Try to capture him

[shell gull]

I’m trying to prove it, but you disagree.

[safe charm]

And banish him

[ripe berry]

in AS Lore

[shell gull]

Great.

[safe charm]

I bet the guest had something to do with the trick or treaters

Incident

[shell gull]

Then what is he doing in Chapter 2?, why does he have a Cult Robe on in AS?

[safe charm]

Maybe he killed guest kid

[ripe berry]

All we need is for proof the Guest existed since before 1930 when we've established RB to be founded to prove he existed before being summoned

[shell gull]

Mhm

Anyways

[ripe berry]

That's what I used as the ~1970 reference point

[safe charm]

Let’s not think about AS because we barely

Know what the guest

[shell gull]

Like I said let me state fact and observation, this time don’t hate on fact because you don’t like it.

[safe charm]

Will do in it

He might have stole it

[snow mauve]

1987!!!!!

[safe charm]

Or like some say it’s a cultist I doubt that

[snow mauve]

Hmmmm

[safe charm]

Though

[snow mauve]

The loreeeeeee

[shell gull]

Depkins…

[ripe berry]

and anything before 1940 seems to be Ancient History with how little we know

[ripe berry]

Was that the Bite of '97?!

[safe charm]

So maybe guest killed guestkid or he used

Him as a host

[ripe berry]

So for the Guest to be a Ancient Curse for the HN Timeline he'd have to exist before 1940 in the timeline as we don't know much before the start of WW2

other then the War, Museum's Creation, and the Cult's Founding

and the Sea Monster Fossil in the Attic

[safe charm]

Actually maybe guest kid

Is the guest host

There’s nothing going against that tbh

And would explain why guest kid was never found

[ripe berry]

In fact Guest Kid is the only kid who ain't found it seems

[safe charm]

Ikr

So either guest killed him or he possessed him

Imo

[ripe berry]

Ancient Curse may even be tied to Native American History from what was there Centuries before the Town was founded

[safe charm]

Why else would they have a kid literally dressed as him

[safe charm]

It might have been summoned

But not by the cult

Maybe by native Americans

Or something

[ripe berry]

We just don't know much other then the Guest being a ancient curse

[shell gull]

We know The Guest is a Curse, Curses are Demonic, Demonically involves things usually have to do with Cultism, Via showing the connections, some demonic things are offerings, we see with The Crow Statue with it being filled with G.A.C. Not only that the Old Tapes have hums with non physical vocal noises from The Guest, the final one becomes Physical as it echoes, meaning that it was Summoned Most Likely, this then explains why it’s with The Cult and has Cult Robes, Also explains why he had access to the Catacombs, also Luck Devices are also Curses, and if G.A.C. Are AS Luck Devices Via giving more connections, not only the fact the Cultist have a Crow god, and was most likely the Crow Statue Via why they also filled it with G.A.C. As more cursed items, so yeah The Guest has a lot to do with the Cult.

[snow mauve]

Wall of text

[shell gull]

I love delusions

[safe charm]

Bro

💀

[ripe berry]

The Cult technically could summon it but I feel the curse existed long before the Cult

[safe charm]

I really doubt it’s the cult man

It has to have been summoned before the 50s otherwise

It’s not ancient

[shell gull]

We know that by Ancient Curse, meaning the date would have to move all they way to A.C. Or lower.

[shell gull]

“Even though it’s so obvious, I just can’t accept something that I don’t want to be true because I just don’t wanna believe that, I just want it to be exactly how I want it” -The Chat RN

[safe charm]

But I literally don’t

Think it Is lmao

[shell gull]

Proving my point

[safe charm]

There should be more references

To it

[shell gull]

There ARE

Old Tapes

[safe charm]

Only old tapes

[shell gull]

The Museum Itslef

[safe charm]

Just speculation

[shell gull]

The Crow Statue

G.A.C.

[safe charm]

Speculation again

[shell gull]

Isn’t speculation when you have actual proof

[safe charm]

Um no

[shell gull]

In this case yes

[ripe berry]

The Cult itself existed in the 1930's but the Curse is possibly from Native American shamans or something

[safe charm]

Speculation is when you don’t have

[shell gull]

We know The Guest is a Curse, Curses are Demonic, Demonically involves things usually have to do with Cultism, Via showing the connections, some demonic things are offerings, we see with The Crow Statue with it being filled with G.A.C. Not only that the Old Tapes have hums with non physical vocal noises from The Guest, the final one becomes Physical as it echoes, meaning that it was Summoned Most Likely, this then explains why it’s with The Cult and has Cult Robes, Also explains why he had access to the Catacombs, also Luck Devices are also Curses, and if G.A.C. Are AS Luck Devices Via giving more connections, not only the fact the Cultist have a Crow god, and was most likely the Crow Statue Via why they also filled it with G.A.C. As more cursed items, so yeah The Guest has a lot to do with the Cult.