lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

Well there's never gonna be hope

[safe charm]

Patch 9

Left the chat

[snow mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-laughing-laugh-laughing-so-hard-gif-19654860

You seriously still gonna hope that'll happen in that patch?

[safe charm]

Well it’s taking long

To make

It might not even be called patch 9 instead maybe it will be called idk content update

[snow mauve]

ok

[safe charm]

Like maybe we including myself should focus on the positive side

Instead

[snow mauve]

-_-

Pass

[safe charm]

Like their might be a reanimated cutscene as well like intro

If it’s taking this long

[snow mauve]

Ah no way

Of course it's not gonna happen

[safe charm]

Well for the intro at least it needs to happen

Sometime

[snow mauve]

never

[safe charm]

So what do you think patch 9 will bring then?

[snow mauve]

guest

And that's it

[shell gull]

Revamped locations hopefully

[snow mauve]

Also I guess the updated clouds that was teased a while ago

[safe charm]

Like they are not just gonna add guest without more lore

[shell gull]

Tapes:

[safe charm]

And potentially more cutscenes

[safe charm]

Doesn’t tell us that much

Besides him attacking mj

[snow mauve]

Yeah don't expect that much lore to be in it lol

Like I bet it won't have much stuff added

[safe charm]

If he’s just an ai with no context I’m gonna be a bit sad tbh

[snow mauve]

Good

Realize that you're likely wrong

[safe charm]

But I’m just thinking realistically they wouldn’t add a character like the guest with no lore to him

[snow mauve]

lore, lore blah blah blah

[safe charm]

LORE!!!!

🥹

[safe charm]

Like no patch except patch 5 and maybe 8 have disappointed me

So I think it will be good

[snow mauve]

How did patch 8 disappoint you?

It's actually a pretty good update

[safe charm]

I thought the content would be more spread out If that makes sense

A lot of the stuff was just on mr Peterson house

But I loved patch 7

And 3

[snow mauve]

Dude

of course it wouldn't

[safe charm]

Like the previous patches

Like maybe a little bit here and there

[snow mauve]

There weren't that many stuff

[safe charm]

Patch 4

Patch 6

[snow mauve]

Patch 4 is just animations

And gnome features

[safe charm]

Still

[snow mauve]

Patch 6 is just the catacombs secret and more added animations

[safe charm]

Patch 8 wasn’t bad though I didn’t

Say that

Yeah and i said maybe patch 8

I’m not sure

Tbh

[snow mauve]

🤦

[safe charm]

And disappointed doesn’t even mean bad it meant I was maybe expecting a bit too much

I think patch 9 will be the best patch yet though they are clearly taking their time on it

Which is good

[manic dirge]

is there any lore to talk about?

[pale urchin]

Nope

[safe charm]

Hi

[shell gull]

Yeah here’s why Noxified theory can’t work

[lapis sonnet]

but it is

[shell gull]

The Guest crackles are just echoes through out the entire tape till the end, symbolises that it’s just a faint noise but then finally it becomes a physical noise at the end, and The Guest at the end sounds relieved, like it’s free, catching on?

[shell gull]

Oh hey 👋

[safe charm]

It could mean the guest is getting banished and is angry

And starts to growl

[lapis sonnet]

wym

[lapis sonnet]

hi

[safe charm]

In all the tapes he gets louder

And louder

[shell gull]

No just faint echoes

[shell gull]

Any theories because everyone is brain dead rn in the server

[safe charm]

Still it really doesn’t have to mean

He was summoned

Like it’s just you speculating

[lapis sonnet]

hmm well depends what we're talking about

i can try to clear things up maybe

[shell gull]

If you disagree cool find proof against it backers there ain’t quite literally anything

[shell gull]

I wanna know

How many resources and money cost

It took for the Underground

[spark tulip]

It's just one Guest noise at the end, accompanied with a lot of static and cult singing in the background.

[safe charm]

Yeah I doubt the guest was summoned

[unkempt sleet]

Hello i came to hell

[lapis sonnet]

ahh teds basement

right?

[spark tulip]

Sounds don't seem to be indicating so.

[lapis sonnet]

bc its huge

[shell gull]

Yeah but the extension

[lapis sonnet]

im guessing you mean the extension from hnvr?

[spark tulip]

What could be interpreted as the Guest being "summoned" is the start of the static noise.

[safe charm]

I think he just summoned himself basically

A long time ago

[shell gull]

Along with that but minus the main level of the basement, like I mean past the Washing Machine entrance into the actual underground.

[safe charm]

Since it’s called ancient curse

And the cult summoning him some weeks in the museum before hn2 doesn’t add up

[shell gull]

It does

[safe charm]

No

[lapis sonnet]

sooo you mean the part of the basement nicky explores in act 1 and book 3?

[safe charm]

Not if he’s ancient

[lapis sonnet]

and the hnvr one

[unkempt sleet]

The thing i just realized
Cult and Guest might be connected but not in the way we thought

[shell gull]

Yeah along with VRs extensions

[unkempt sleet]

Let me collect my thoughts wait for a minute

[spark tulip]

The cult definitely did not summon the Guest.

Tapes do not indicate this theory is true.

[shell gull]

Means he’s an ancient curse simple.

[shell gull]

🤦‍♂️

[safe charm]

It likely means he’s ancient I don’t think they mean the curse itself is ancient

[shell gull]

Ancient Curse

That’s the name

[safe charm]

Like he likely been on earth

A long time

[spark tulip]

The only "rock solid proof" we have is MJ walking towards singing, static noise starts, and when the static noise is at its loudest, the Guest click-clacks.

[shell gull]

An Ancient Curse

[shell gull]

Holy shit

It’s like starring at a rock and trying to prove it’s something else

[safe charm]

Well the guest is simply called that because he’s well a freaking curse to people

And he’s ancient

[shell gull]

Wha-

[safe charm]

So

[shell gull]

🤦‍♂️

[lapis sonnet]

okay so, we obviously dont have an official answer but we can speculate it didnt cost a lot: since not only does peterson know how to make crazy shit like this since he's a world famous amusement park designer, hes also einstien level genius, but on top of that we also know after the GAAP shut down he made frequent trips so it probably didnt cost a lot since a lot was stolen from the GAAP. besides that, you have to remember this franchise isnt supposed to be too realistic, i mean we have pocket dimensions

[safe charm]

He takes things from people

[shell gull]

That’s GN2

Not AS

[lapis sonnet]

yeah buddy r u talking about old or new lore

[unkempt sleet]

Lets say Guest is an ancient being
What if the luck devices (or the golden apple coins) are connected to Guest and Cult simply came from it
We know that Cult did not create the luck devices in the books, and they just find it and use it and create a cult

That way Guest is still connected to cult but cult did not create the Guest.
And Ancient Curse still makes sense because the Luck things are from Guest who is an ancient being

[snow mauve]

Dude always over complicating it

[shell gull]

True and we know he’s took sorts from the G.A.A.P. Though I’d imagine he did but things to put it together, also the place myself looks run down anyways.

[lapis sonnet]

cant we just accept goose is goose

[shell gull]

Yeah

Idk what’s up with people

[safe charm]

That’s what I think

[shell gull]

Thank you

[lapis sonnet]

exactly, again, einstien level genuis and world famous engineer

[shell gull]

Bringing up books again, in AS lore.

[lapis sonnet]

hes talking about old lore, is he not?

[safe charm]

Please just stop with the whole 2 canons

Thing I’m tired of it

[snow mauve]

The thing is we're all tired of you over complicating everything

[shell gull]

He brought up G.A.C. Which yes exist in Old Lore but are just last resorts which we know are the cases.

[unkempt sleet]

Bro literally
We dont know anything about the Guest in AS lore,

I am just theorising

[snow mauve]

Like just fricken ignore it

[unkempt sleet]

And youre also theorising too
But the thing is you are saying that youre theories are %100 true and dont accept anything else

[lapis sonnet]

how do u expect us to do that? im not a writer at EGS or TB

[shell gull]

It’s over complicating things, it’s so simple, look at the Old Tapes your answer is already there, over complicating things will make it worse, like I said you can’t stare at a rock and try to prove something else about it.

[lapis sonnet]

its not a theory its fact

[safe charm]

No I want us to stop arguing

About it

[shell gull]

You are rn

Your arguing about the lore in AS

[unkempt sleet]

What is a fact
Guest being a demon?

[lapis sonnet]

easier said then done

[snow mauve]

How about you stop over complicating everything

And just wait for the god dang content to arrive

[lapis sonnet]

no i was talking about the two different canons

[snow mauve]

I swear bro there's nothing else to theorize

[unkempt sleet]

Two different canons are facts?

[safe charm]

I’m just theorizing

[shell gull]

He’s just an Entity as of now the theory is a demon, the fact is he’s an Entity with an origin from the cult.

[lapis sonnet]

...

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[snow mauve]

Yeah theorizing the same shit

[unkempt sleet]

Yea but i wasnt talking about that?

[lapis sonnet]

i was talking to guestyyy it wasnt directed at u

until u replied to it

[unkempt sleet]

He has a connection to the cult
But that doesnt mean his origins are the cult
Thats literally a theory

[shell gull]

“Shit that’s a cool looking rock there but I’m gonna spend my time trying to prove it’s a dog”

[lapis sonnet]

alright im just gonna end this argument: while theorizing is fun we havent even gotten the guest in the AS or HN2 yet, so that literally means all we have for official content for new lore is the tapes which can be percieved different ways, EGS made them complex just so you guys can make up different theories like u are now. wait for the content in patch 9 and the AS and stop acting like your theories are fact.

[shell gull]

Don’t forget he turned the Museum (while this is AS), into a giant mechanical puzzle escape room.

[safe charm]

Yes please

Exactly

[unkempt sleet]

Youre looking at a silhoutte of something with a four legs and telling it's a cat
But literally it being on four legs doesnt mean its a cat

[lapis sonnet]

huh

u were fueling the argument

i mean ty for agreeing

but

idk im lost

[shell gull]

🍿

[lapis sonnet]

wait what goose isnt a cat

😡

[safe charm]

I just said it doesn’t have to mean he was summoned though

[unkempt sleet]

It was a metaphor

[shell gull]

Anyways back to the whole money cost thing, I’d say a good 10 grand or more to build the place, but imagine the bills to run it 💀

[lapis sonnet]

in conclusion ur theories are poopoo so shut up and wait for content 🫶

[shell gull]

Like at least more than 10 grand

[lapis sonnet]

the bills wouldnt exist since the town/city of RB didnt know about it

[shell gull]

True

[unkempt sleet]

All of our theories are poopoo...

[snow mauve]

Yeah Trinityyy how about you wait for content before you start over complicating yourself

[lapis sonnet]

indeed

[safe charm]

What have I even done

[lapis sonnet]

its really not difficult to comprehend

[safe charm]

Literally

[shell gull]

But wouldn’t he run into city infrastructure such as pipes to housing and such?

[lapis sonnet]

he already had a good layout of the town and its underground area bc of the tunnels that the cult used, u must remember he thouroghly explored them (yes ik i spelled that wrong)

[shell gull]

All I have to say is, it’s simple, you don’t need answers for everything, like everything is simple you don’t need to be like “why is The Guest a raven and why does Ted where the clothes he does, and why was the house left abandoned after Ted parents died blah blah blah”

[lapis sonnet]

mhm 👍

[shell gull]

That’s true the Tunnels did help, and based on what we’ve seen he could built through them.

[lapis sonnet]

they did collapse but the extensions of his basement were built in place of where some of them used to be

[shell gull]

It’s good to question but to over complicate it is dumb

[shell gull]

Don’t forget the secret entrance in the basement might’ve been used where the washing machine lead through.

[lapis sonnet]

wym?

[shell gull]

Remember how the concrete wall in the basement would open leading into the tunnels, that’s how the Luck Device Aaron had got stolen back from the cult, as they used that entrance to rush inside the house and get it and escape?

[safe charm]

Wait how was I over complicating it I just said it doesn’t have to mean he was summoned

[shell gull]

That might’ve been where the Washing Machine lead through based on how it’s in front of one of the walls.

[lapis sonnet]

lets not forget how the hnvr extension is opened via a wall

[shell gull]

Yup

[lapis sonnet]

but u may be right bc the wall that opens to the hnvr extension is brick not concrete

doesnt really matter though

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s fine but we asked for proof and your proof was “Ancient Curse” for example something simple had to mean something it didn’t, like you guys said it means the town thinks he’s a curse and that he’s ancient when it just simply says Ancient Curse and that’s all it is.

[shell gull]

Yeah cuz retcon still exists

[lapis sonnet]

yeah dont call theory facts it makes me mad

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

But if that’s the case that proves Ted was using the Tunnels as a cheat way to build the place, might explain how complicated and maze like the place is.

[shell gull]

We were talking about how Aaron wouldn’t be dead and just be kidnapped and thrown in The Nest, like everyone else in RD, and was just the first victim.

Gotta go

[ripe berry]

Aaron is still likely dead unless the Guest puts food in the nest

[snow mauve]

Time loop

[pallid aurora]

GuYs WhAtS gN2?!?!🫠🫨🫠🫨🫨🙃🫠🫨🫠

[snow mauve]

Graphic Novel 2

[pallid aurora]

Oki thank you

So basically gn2 is the second hello neighbor book/graphic novel

[lapis sonnet]

maybe you dont need susatnaince in the nest

[snow mauve]

Correct

[shell gull]

Yeah but there is the Time Loop, but true the time loop didn’t exist during that time, but Time doesn’t seem to have an effect there but who knows.

[next nexus]

@slow silo

I love your games

Anyone remember the neighbours brother from the painting in the betas?

What happened to him?

<@&474312730673807360>

Sry

[snow mauve]

You do realize Tinybuild are just publishers

They don't make games

[next nexus]

Ik

[snow mauve]

brother?

[next nexus]

Ye

[snow mauve]

He doesn't have a brother

Nor even intended to have one

[next nexus]

In the beta

[snow mauve]

Uh that's not his brother

Also that's in the alphas not beta

[next nexus]

K

Who is it then?

[snow mauve]

Random dude I guess

Really nothing important

Just a silly painting

[next nexus]

They look alike

They have to be related

[snow mauve]

Nope

[next nexus]

Ima start reading the books for more lore

[snow mauve]

The pack you got is just about Nicky's (the player from hello neighbor 1) trilogy

Anyways good luck reading

[next nexus]

Ik

[next nexus]

Ty

I have 3/7 books

[teal imp]

its too bad we probs wont get a conclusion to the story because the CEO thought it was a good idea to ignore the books and focus on the bad cartoon now

[next nexus]

Ye

The cartoon is good but the books are better

[next nexus]

I have read 1 page

Lol

[teal imp]

I dont agree if im honest

the cartoon retcons everything and has poor writing

[next nexus]

Your opinion

[teal imp]

the characters are one note and ted is a huge downgrade

[next nexus]

True

[teal imp]

instead of being a genuinely creepy guy he is not just a guy who grunts and never talks

and what they did to Nicky is a crime

[next nexus]

Ikr

[teal imp]

he doesnt know Aaron anymore and bassically breaks into teds house for the shits and giggles

[next nexus]

I mean he did lots of things to Nicky

Ye

He trapped Nicky,Killed him and lots of other things

Their eyeballs r yellow

[snow mauve]

Killed him?

what

[shell gull]

Wha

Never happened

[next nexus]

Have u not read the books

?

[shell gull]

[wicked heath]

Never said he killed him

[shell gull]

He never killed Nicky

[wicked heath]

It just ends with nicky assuming he wont be found. Period

[shell gull]

Mhm

[shell gull]

Also it’s been a while since you’ve talked in this channel

[next nexus]

He is supposedly dead

[wicked heath]

Yeah ik. Im busy atm

[wicked heath]

L bozo uses Google

[shell gull]

You trust the internet 💀

[next nexus]

No

I have read it with my own eyes

[shell gull]

He never died

[wicked heath]

Thats one person’s interpretation

[next nexus]

He supposedly died

[wicked heath]

Its not

[rich hinge]

HN1 act 3 existence: 💥

[shell gull]

Act 3, all I have to say.

[wicked heath]

Act 3

[shell gull]

Agreed

[next nexus]

Lol

[shell gull]

Agreed

[shell gull]

?

[wicked heath]

Agreed part 3

[next nexus]

Legend says Nickys still moving back into his old house again

[rich hinge]

Agreeing is happening in lore discussions, impossible

[shell gull]

?

[shell gull]

Omg no way

[next nexus]

The endless credits

[shell gull]

Alright then

[wicked heath]

Diaries be like:

[next nexus]

side eye

[snow mauve]

Wow misinformation

No wonder why you're so wrong

[teal imp]

then hnvr happens

tbh I kinda wanna see the books cover his escape and what happend to him after oh wait

[shell gull]

Based on everything he prob just sat in his room traumatized for the rest of his life and became introverted, as there is no indication of him talking to R.S. Again.

[shell gull]

I was so brain dead I didn’t listen to anything, people didn’t even think I actually read the books, that’s what happens when you don’t get enough sleep for a month of your life, which was the time I joined the servers.

[tame quartz]

he’s confirmed not to be dead by the entire game of HN1…

[hazy grotto]

Yayyyy!!!!

Hope u like da book!!

[teal imp]

bro

Nicky doesnt die

he is literally alive in act 3

[viscid knot]

What about that Nicky in act 3

[viscid knot]

Yes

[viscid knot]

Lungs problem?

[ripe berry]

what if I told him the guy the Neighbor is next to is Jesus and it's a modified version of a biblical painting depicting him betraying Jesus

[silver vine]

happy birthday man

[silver vine]

yeahhhh

try telling that to Nikita

Idk why, even tho Nikita has said several times, in discord and youtube QNAs that nothing in HN is a dream, ppl are hell bent on calling act 3 as a dream

the books also confirm that act 3 was literally THE MOST important part of Nicky's life

thats when he overcomes his ancient trauma

hes suffering from PTSD since 3 y/o

he never had a goodnights sleep even once in his life

but all that changes

his entire life drastically changes in act 3

and yet, ppl always dismiss act 3 as "a dream"

[strange lance]

I know Nikita said it's not a dream, and I agree, but it is so clearly also dream. He goes to sleep, plays around a nightmarish world, beats his fear, and then wakes up like he just had a good nap.

He had self therapy in his nightmare

I don't think calling it a dream is bad cause either way it still did not actually happen lol

And he still beat his fear

[shell gull]

Yo Happy Birthday! 🥳 🎂

[shell gull]

Even then, the Act 1 thing is technically a distorted memory too, since HND, so that got a solution.

[shell gull]

Yeah but it’s good to be correct

[shell gull]

And also that’s gonna throw him off so hard.

[languid geyser]

i believe that it was real... that he face childhoodtrauma what isnt real is when we see mr.peterson and such thats why people are "hell bent" on calling act 3 a dream or nightmare.

it was real he face his childhood trauma

not real from what we saw from mr.peterson in act 3 of hello neighbor

[silver vine]

HND makes act 1 a distorted memory?

how?

even the last chapter of book 3 is literally just a walkthrough guide of act 1

act 1 is entirely real

get your facts right man

[strange lance]

HND does not make act 1 a distorted memory I don't know where that comes from

it's literally just a book recap

[silver vine]

exactly

[shell gull]

I wasn’t clear, I meant some parts are quite distorted from what it seems, for instance sure yeah the end of Book 3 is like a walkthrough, but the actual segment leading up aren’t the same, Nicky sneaked in because he wanted to, in the games he was having fun and heard the noises going on inside, certain things like that don’t line up.

And when taking in consideration of HND basically being Nicky handling his Associative Amnesia, we could just say to fix that single problem is that’s also a vague memory, but eh it can just be retcon.

[viscid knot]

@ripe berry Happy Birthday 🎉

❤️

[cunning sand]

uhhh no

[teal imp]

happy birthday!

[bleak spear]

But it is?

Well i think

Its possibly not

[bleak spear]

Also happy birthday!

[shell gull]

Alright this is for those who are confused about lore after the devgamm

:

There are multiple canons, that means AS is canon, Old lore is canon they are all canon to the AUs they belong in, just for the future AS will be the worked on AU.

That means Old lore involved things can be talked about, and same with AS, as Canon is flexible, that’s what Alex meant.

[safe charm]

Old isn’t gone

But it’s not really the main focus

[shell gull]

This means we can keep talking Old Lore if any Old lore projects come, which is happening such as HE and HND along with SN updates, but after that AS will become the new main pipeline when it comes projects.

[safe charm]

Anymore

[shell gull]

Yes

Everything is canon to the AU they belong in

So to anyone further

Such as Micheal

Luke

Mouse

Or Mr crow

Your stuff is a bit scrolled up

[wicked heath]

Bro went back to 2022.

[shell gull]

That’s a time we don’t talk about

The time I actually talked

On the server

[lapis sonnet]

glad i logged on today

almost missed your birthday!

happy birthday dude

[lapis sonnet]

i think those messages was around the time i met u in the server

and yeah some of the stuff u said didnt make sense

ur better now tho

[lapis sonnet]

and its continued in hnvr, hn1 and other stuff

basically most of the games

[pale night]

I think that Hello Neighbor 3 is going to be about a Crow cult because of the constant hints at it found throughout 2.
Was Quintin taken by the Crows? Idk I just had a theory

[teal imp]

please

no more cult shit

Im sick of it

[pliant estuary]

Remember when they were actually interesting in book 5-6

[snow mauve]

Oh hell no

[pliant estuary]

So can anyone here tell me Teds sisters name

[snow mauve]

Not a hello neighbor 3

Ain't nobody want a hello neighbor 3..

[pliant estuary]

Ill give nothing to the first person to say it

[manic dirge]

i kinda do want a hn1 remake

[snow mauve]

That's a disgrace to the fandom!

[pale night]

Well would you like even more paid DLC or 3

[snow mauve]

None

Hello neighbor 2 stays as two

Not a 3

3 is yucky

[pale night]

How about a spin off?

[snow mauve]

Sure why not

it better be good

[pliant estuary]

secret neighbor 2

[manic dirge]

hn1 remake better be good

[manic dirge]

no...

why

[pliant estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-gif-25652576

[snow mauve]

Y'know that's impossible

RUIN

[pale night]

Lol "Hello Cult" all new spin off title

[snow mauve]

Nah

Pass

[manic dirge]

hard pass

[snow mauve]

3 am for me

Even tho I won't be able to play it sadly cuz

Xbox

Yes I am that one Xbox user

Yep I'm definitely gonna keep my eyes open

Just to wait and see fuzion play it

[pale night]

New Theory: The crow at the beginning gets so scared by Quentins truck that he ragdols and gets stuck in the floor. Later on he gets unstuck and ODs Quentin with a drug. Now it's up to Nikki from the first game to punch Mr. Peterson square in the forehead and go after Quentin.

HELLO CULT THE GAME

[snow mauve]

Same here dude

[pale night]

Name change: HELLO CULTILST

[pliant estuary]

*Nicky

the books and the AS both say Nicky

not niki

[pliant estuary]

so would the games if they actually put info on the missing posters

[pale night]

Ah yes everyone would be able to know his name is Nicky if it wasn't a Grey line on a piece of paper

Also I seriously thought his name was Nikki

[pliant estuary]

Nope, Nicky, the books spell it like Nicky, I think some people think that because the creator HN's name is Nikita

[barren zephyr]

I hated hn1 (sorry in advance whoever thinks this is way too harsh)

[inland folio]

neighbor gets stuck in a wall because he is unreal

[shy kindle]

And all of the hn was a dream...

[hazy slate]

Lisa

[shell gull]

Yeah I was absolutely brain dead, though after figuring out how to not fumble I got better at talking in the server.

[silver vine]

I remember when ppl were genuinely excited when they found cult stuff in the leaked demo files

now its: "GRAAHH cult is soooo BAAAD"

[teal imp]

because they used it in a really lame way

and everything is connected to it

[silver vine]

it was the same in old lore as well

mayak, storms, reason why always bad things happen to Peterson, were all connected to the cult

we dont know about the guest tho

[safe charm]

I just not really that interested in the cult storyline I care more about the mr Peterson and guest storyline

[silver vine]

but the cult was present in book 7 too, along with the guest

[silver vine]

there are different storylines?

I thought there was only one storyline?

[safe charm]

🤦

[silver vine]

the HN storyline?

[safe charm]

I meant as in characters and their own stories

Like mr Peterson and Aaron

Guest

The cult is fine I guess but not really that interesting to me

[shell gull]

#lore-discussion message

[silver vine]

Im not talking about that...

[shell gull]

What was it?

[silver vine]

Im talking about the supposed subdivisions in the lore Guestyy is talking about

[shell gull]

Haugh?

What?

There isn’t

[silver vine]

"Guest storyline" "Peterson storyline" "cult storyline"

[shell gull]

Which AU

[shell gull]

Well it’s the same story wth

[silver vine]

exactly

now you got my point

[shell gull]

There’s no difference

[shell gull]

Ah I thought you meant you didn’t know there were multiple Canons

My bad

[tame quartz]

What is this guy waffling about

There is only 1 hello neighbor storyline

[hazy slate]

yes, and that is the animated series

worship the animated series

praise alex

[tame quartz]

NEVER

[teal imp]

consume product

consume

[hazy slate]

yes

[teal imp]

I loved being lied to

[tame quartz]

I will never fall to the Dark Side!!

[pliant estuary]

ding ding ding

[wicked heath]

Alex: When I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master.
Nikita: Only a master of evil, Darth

insert lightsaber fight noise

[hazy grotto]

I love how AS has basically been in the dark for a while

Like no news nothing

[teal imp]

I hope it stays that way

[versed yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787355342534213652/1085194009229664296/caption.gif

[viscid knot]

y e s

[lapis sonnet]

the cult wasnt in book 7?

[tribal talon]

nikki?

[wicked heath]

Yes

[teal imp]

was the cult in book 7 or not

[wicked heath]

Yes

[wicked heath]

supposedly

Ik what people are referring to in the book, but theres a slim chance they might not actually be FPs

[shell gull]

What.

[shell gull]

If they are talking about this:

That was just a sketch of The Guest

[tulip stratus]

I wish the guest looked like that 😦

[shell gull]

He does in Book 7

[tulip stratus]

I mean the games

[shell gull]

Ig

[harsh bough]

Bro in the games if Guest looked like that, the horror would be better.

[viscid knot]

Maybe a new class in sn

[tulip stratus]

More of a skin I would think

[viscid knot]

Was it true there was going to be a new kid class?

In Halloween or winter

?

[harsh bough]

Yes!

[teal imp]

hello neighbor has abandoned horror

in like the alphas of hn1

[teal imp]

umm no?

hn1 new art is better than old art

it had a more interesting thing going on

they should have just executed it better

[safe charm]

Well alpha 2 i can agree

But after that no

It become too cartoony

[wicked heath]

Its not what they are talking about

Yes THAT is the guest

[shell gull]

Ah

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[shy kindle]

Agree, like - the AI is not even that bad, and the game has mostly positive reviews on steam, but people still hate it for some reason

[safe charm]

Hn 1 is nostalgic

For me

[shy kindle]

For me too

It gave me a lot of emotions

[hollow wren]

you woke up the demon

[shy kindle]

Oh no

[teal imp]

for all lore enjoyers Im happy to say this post reached 70 likes! #1112445065823006830 message I hope they consider this and help hn2 fit better into the lore.

Hn2 needs story reworks to connect better to the other games

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[teal imp]

cmon it has 70 likes they have to at least consider it

posts rarely get above 50

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[teal imp]

bro did not read the post

it was 2 cutscenes at most

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[teal imp]

bro did not read

💀

im just asking Aaron to not be with his dad

since he cant be anymore

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[teal imp]

he was mid in hn2 anyway

[teal imp]

yes Im asking them for the bare minimum

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[teal imp]

Aaron himself doesnt do much in hn2 and I struggle to see how they would even use him after the ending since he doesnt want to escape anymore

[teal imp]

truee

kill the child

🔫

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[teal imp]

I mean he can still be that while not being there

he did in the beta despite not actually being in the attic

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[teal imp]

Im not sure why are even argueing about this its not were gonna change eachothers opinion

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[teal imp]

he has like a minute of screentime ingame unless the new content was like dependent on Aaron I dont see how it would be an issue

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[teal imp]

at least I hope they explain how he is just with his dad again in hn2 if they dont end up removing him I want the game to make sense. I dont want to have to watch a cartoon to understand stuff

[teal imp]

even nightmare 2?

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[teal imp]

I mean you have a point but I do feel the game would overall be better

I really like the idea of Mr peterson tricking Quentin

also for some reason fake Aaron is still in the game

did they forget to remove him?

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[teal imp]

thats a weird thing to callback

considering it was likely an old plot point from the older versions

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[teal imp]

the fart machine

anyway the only thing I like about Aaron in hn2 is this track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1lhTki-INA

the middle part is really good im sad its not used ingame

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[teal imp]

I have to give you credit you make it easier to find hn music

you are ussualy the top result

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[teal imp]

why is it a spoiler?

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[teal imp]

ok what is this sounds nothing like the other hn2 tracks

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[teal imp]

I mean I can see it working

but I prefer the one ingame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcJ79wvcjI

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[teal imp]

speaking of

this is probs my fav track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfUVV6quwgw

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[shell gull]

Nah bruh pull up the Banner theme

That shit go hard

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[teal imp]

I mean I can see the appeal but some of them dont stick out to me too much

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[teal imp]

I said some

smh

wait why the hell are we discussing the OST in #lore-discussion

[tribal talon]

What is the mayak house in hello guest? Why is it there?

[teal imp]

its a weather station

built by the neighbor`s parents

[tribal talon]

Thanks

Also I've seen theories but is the neighbor the crow? I doubt it but just want other opinions...

[teal imp]

no

we dont know exactly who the guest is

[tribal talon]

All the better

[teal imp]

especially because the AS probably retconned him into being some random demon

but

[tribal talon]

I love the mysteriousness around him

[tribal talon]

But?

[teal imp]

in the 2nd graphic novel (which im pretty sure is the guest`s official debut despite alex wanting it be otherwise)

the guest drowns and then posseses Ted

the next time we see the neighbor he has been taken over by the guest

(this may or may not have been retconned)

the CEO thought it was a good idea to scrap everything for his dumb cartoon

including 6 years worth of lore

hn1 isnt even canon anymore

[tribal talon]

It isnt?

How much are the novels

[teal imp]

well if you listen to the CEO he insists the animated series is canon

but the animated series contradicts almost everything in hn1

[tribal talon]

Oh

[teal imp]

including act 2 where Aaron saves nicky

[tribal talon]

I haven't really watched the series 😂

[tribal talon]

Wait it's Arron who saves Nicky?

[teal imp]

bassically the cartoon makes everything make no sense since it was written to tie in with any of the games

[tribal talon]

I need to catch up on my hn lore

[teal imp]

yes you even see that in hnvr from his perspective

[teal imp]

dont

nothing makes sense

[tribal talon]

But I want to

[teal imp]

you can thank the CEO

[tribal talon]

And idk why

[tribal talon]

Ok then lol

[teal imp]

hn2 doesnt make sense because Aaron should be dead by that point

or at least taken by the guest

[tribal talon]

Are the hn2 alphas canon?

[teal imp]

bassically if you consider the AS canon then instead of everything being in the 90s (act 3 is in like 2017)

[teal imp]

no

[tribal talon]

Ok thanks

[teal imp]

the closest thing we have is the hn2 beta but that only has a few plot elements I wouldnt consider the whole thing

[tribal talon]

Where can I buy the novels?

[teal imp]

idk

you can probs find them

[tribal talon]

Ok ta

[teal imp]

theres 7 books

[tribal talon]

Alr

[teal imp]

way better than the AS

[tribal talon]

7 jeez

[teal imp]

I gotta warn you that the 1st book is corny as hell

[tribal talon]

I can imagine

I thought it would be ok from the image I saw

[teal imp]

there was supposed to be an 8th book that would have given us an ending but then the CEO retconned everything and now we are stuck on a cliffhanger

where the entire town is stuck in a timeloop

[tribal talon]

Damn

I saw this further up and thought it would be cool

Is the guest in the books?

[teal imp]

people arent sure

people say this is the guest after act 3 while others say he still looks normal this is just what the town thinks he looks like

Idk the answer

[tribal talon]

I'm so confused 😂

Hn logic ig

[teal imp]

it wouldnt be confusing if the CEO let an 8th book be released

bassically the book timeline (aka the old lore) isnt getting new entries

hnvr was old lore

Hello engineer will likely be old lore

hnd is just a book 1 recap

bassically alex wants to move on and make the AS the new lore

[tribal talon]

Hnd? What's that again?

[teal imp]

but the issue the AS makes no sense and it doesnt tie into the games at all

[teal imp]

Hello neighbor diaries

[tribal talon]

Oh ye I'm in the middle of playing that

The controls are awful

Honestly I think hello guest and hnvr are the best hn games. (Probs because I just love the guest tho)

[teal imp]

did you know the act 3 house is actually real in the AS? that ruins the entire point of it being the manifestation of Nicky`s trauma

[tribal talon]

Wait it's in the series?

What ep?

[teal imp]

yes

[teal imp]

probably 4-6

we only have 2 episodes

[tribal talon]

Ok thanks

[teal imp]

but alex bassicaly spoiled the show

[tribal talon]

I think I prefer old lore

[teal imp]

trust me the cartoon is a huge downgrade

[tribal talon]

Fr

[teal imp]

Nicky is now an unlikeably brat that breaks into teds house for no reason

[tribal talon]

And is sn just an online game no lore?

[teal imp]

in the books he did out of concern for his best friend

[tribal talon]

Ye

[teal imp]

Sn is the kids planning

the entire game is imagination

[tribal talon]

Yes I noticed that in hnd

[teal imp]

you can see that in the rocket event

they actually execute the plan in hnvr

thats when they actually break in

[tribal talon]

Yeah

I can't tell whether the neighbors basement is just normal with a kid in it or has loads of weird stuff 😭

[teal imp]

its actually big

in the books nicky actually gets past the door with the 3 locks

theres like underground amusement park ted made

[tribal talon]

I need to read the books

[teal imp]

(the basement was made by ted`s parents IIRC) he is using it to keep Aaron there

in hnvr he blocks off the basement

[tribal talon]

Is that like the mayak house

[teal imp]

but he builds a new part of it

[tribal talon]

I heard that was made by Ted's parents

[snow mauve]

Mayak is just a weather station

[teal imp]

part of it is part of the nest a dimension owned by the guest

[tribal talon]

So is the guest world just like an upside down ver of reality

[teal imp]

the guest world is canon but I cant really explain it

you see it a few times in hnvr

[tribal talon]

Yeah I finished hnvr and was guest

[teal imp]

you see it in the 2nd graphic novel

[tribal talon]

But if kids are cardboard then how can guest find Aaron

[snow mauve]

That's the nest

[tribal talon]

Or is that in its actual crow form

[snow mauve]

He can find him anywhere

[snow mauve]

He can shape shift

[tribal talon]

Oh so guest can't just be the crow

*raven

The guest could be anything

[snow mauve]

Well his normal form is him being a crow with clothing

Though he sometimes turns into some blob version of him

[tribal talon]

Oh

[snow mauve]

Yes

[tribal talon]

Yeah ima look for the books online

[snow mauve]

The guest can be seen/mentioned in the graphic novel 2 and reset day

[tribal talon]

Are these them?

[teal imp]

I cant believe that the guest is actually randomuser!!!

[teal imp]

ye

[snow mauve]

Nope

[teal imp]

beware book 1 is corny

oh wait

those are the books

[snow mauve]

That's Nicky's trilogy

[teal imp]

graphic novels are something else

[teal imp]

book 1-3

[tribal talon]

Oh

[snow mauve]

It doesn't have the Guest in it

But those are canon to read tho

[tribal talon]

Which trilogy of books are they?

[teal imp]

only the 2nd graphic novel has any importance to the lore

[snow mauve]

There's Aaron's trilogy

[teal imp]

the first graphic novel is just ted in a park trying to cover up that a ride killed a kid

[teal imp]

book 4-6

[tribal talon]

Is Aaron's trilogy the one with the guest?

[teal imp]

no

the guest is only in the 2nd graphic novel and book 7

[tribal talon]

So should I buy Nicky's trilogy then?

[teal imp]

he appeared in old lore not long before it got scrapped due to alex being dumb

nicky`s trilogy is good from what i heard

[snow mauve]

Well if you want to know the player from hello neighbor 1 then feel free to do so

[teal imp]

I listened to the book 1 audio book its really corny

I heard it gets better from there

book 1 has the fart machine I heard from others that the other books dont have

the fart machine somehow made its way into hn2 tho meaning its part of the new lore

[tribal talon]

Ima just slowly get them all ig

When I feel like it

[tribal talon]

Both lore

[teal imp]

I hate how they moved up the dates

before almost everything except act 3 took place in the 90s

likely 1996

but now its modern times with cellphones

and I HATE it

[tribal talon]

Wasn't Ted supposed to be born in like 1940s or smthn?

[teal imp]

ye but like I said

nothing makes sense in the cartoon

because alex is dumb (it feels like he is intetionally making the worst decisions at this point)

[tribal talon]

I wouldn't be surprised.

Are these the ones to read?

[teal imp]

ye

[tribal talon]

Ok I'll probably get it soon

Bro for all its like 40 quid

Do you think it's worth it?

Anyone? Is the whole series of books worth 42 quid

[teal imp]

woah

[pale urchin]

I legit don't even remember reset day and puzzle master being released in 2021

Guess I haven't heard of them

[shell gull]

If you wanna know the Old Lore AU then yeah

[languid geyser]

eh! i usucally dont get the books i just listen to the free audio books on youtube

[tribal talon]

Btw if the guest takes things that people don't deserve was the guest taking Aaron from Mr Peterson or taking Aaron to get him 𝙖𝙬𝙖𝙮 from Ted?

[shell gull]

He was taking him to make Mr. Peterson more depressed

So that he can manipulate him more

Fuss making him stronger

As he is an E.O.M. From Ted

[wicked heath]

It doesnt have the same vibes, but okay

[silver vine]

they were

or atleast implied to

[silver vine]

this is not what I am talking about, and PLEASE stop callimg me as "they"

[silver vine]

"2 cutscenes at most" bros forgetting the entire story expansions being worked so hard right now

yes you need to change very little things in the base game we have right now to connect it to the old lore, but, that means that they have to scrap slmost everything story based they are working on right now

[silver vine]

you dont have to watch the AS to understand HN2

[silver vine]

no, there was never supposed to be an 8th book

an 8th book was never planned

and book 7 was released atleast a year before the AS retcon

if book 8 was planned, we would've known it

book 7 was supposed to directly lead up to HN2

thats what the desc says

[teal imp]

I doubt that will even include Aaron seeing how the ending screws everything up

[teal imp]

So? It probably wasnt even good anyway

[teal imp]

Alex said the guest will be explained in the AS. Teds relationship with the cult will probs only be explained in the AS

[shell gull]

Sorry, but freeze was implying it as multiple people,

[wicked heath]

There was a paragraph in the book. After Piper’s mother picked the girls ready to go home, she said there were people in black suits and black hats who were following her. They werent cops and Piper believed these people had feathers for cloaks

[shell gull]

Ah

I didn’t remember that

[languid geyser]

and which is books 7

[wicked heath]

Reset Day

[languid geyser]

thanks\

[lapis sonnet]

when ppl say the cult is in book 7 i think they are referring to the corrupt cops and such

[silver vine]

not really

[silver vine]

then if they scrap literally almost everything they are working on, then the game gets delayed another year...again

I hate to break it to you eggo, they wont be remaking the game again

you need to understand that

[silver vine]

we cant really come to conclusions right now, we have seen nothing, what if HN2 explains Ted's connections to the cult and also explains guest's motives

[teal imp]

it would probably be extremely lame

[silver vine]

lets see

[teal imp]

I would rather have the game take another year than them continueing the garbage that we have

[teal imp]

its just going to be more garbage

if they continue down this route

[silver vine]

which they are going to

if you think HN2 is garbage, you might as well not play the game either

just play what you like

do what you enjoy

theres so many beautiful things in your life to be thankful of

why you always want to look at the garbage things

[teal imp]

I looked at hn because it was something I cared about

now its in control of some guy who has no idea what he is doing

and he driving this whole thing into the ground

I doubt hn will go on for much longer unless something is done

[silver vine]

and we cant do anything about it

apart from giving feedback on how to improve the existing game

[teal imp]

and i have

[silver vine]

well

[teal imp]

forgod sake they should at least have some continuety

[silver vine]

your idea is that the devs must drop everything they are working on and focus only on continuity

[teal imp]

which was completely ignored when a certain someone took over hn2

[silver vine]

not all feedbacks are getting ignored

they are working on things which the fans have requested

like chairs

[teal imp]

groundbreaking

[silver vine]

they are adding the features which fans want in the game

they wont be changing the story

ben 10 writers wont let them

cuz they are writing HN2

[teal imp]

which because what they are going with is awful

[silver vine]

we can suggest them ideas and game mechanics on how to improve the game

but we cant do anything about the story

[silver vine]

thats what I meant to tell

[teal imp]

if thats the case I wont bebuying any more games

[silver vine]

ok then

[teal imp]

whats the point if alex retcons everything

[silver vine]

what if

the game is amazingly good, but the story is new lore

you wont buy?

[teal imp]

unrealistic

[silver vine]

so, you mean the story is affecting the gameplay as well?

[teal imp]

half of my interest is the lore

if thats shit then whats the point?

[silver vine]

what if its good

I mean the story of a future HN game

not the current one

[teal imp]

doubt it

[silver vine]

what if that story is really good, but is somewhat part of new lore

[teal imp]

have you seen the awful writing?

[silver vine]

I wont say its awful

but, what we've seen right now, isnt really that good

[teal imp]

the teasers are beyond awful

[silver vine]

but, I can see chance to redeem itself

[teal imp]

the freaking act 3 house being real

[silver vine]

it happened in ben 10 omniverse

[teal imp]

ted in jail

the characters are one note

ted is boring and lame now

[silver vine]

in the beginning, it was super bad, no one liked that, but in the end, in season 7 and 8, it got really good, but it was too late

[teal imp]

everything is a direct downgrade

[silver vine]

omniverse did get good at the end, but, it became too late and the series had to end

[teal imp]

you have too much faith

also they made the reboot after that

everything was on the right track in the hn2 alphas

but then alex reset everything and everything is just worse now

the artstyle change also makes the style way more generic

it literally isnt that diffrent from fortnite 💀

everything with the AS and current hn2 feels bland and predictable

and its targetted to little kids even more than hn1 was

[silver vine]

well

as I said before

do what you enjoy

dont do the things which make you feel mad

life is short

let us not waste time complaining about things which cant be changed

you dont like the new HN, fine, you can stick on to the old HN

read the books, the stories are amazing

[teal imp]

but old hn is left on a literal cliffhanger with book 7

[silver vine]

you can finish it

[teal imp]

which shocks me why you are trying to justify alex`s awful decisions

[silver vine]

Im not dude

[teal imp]

its not the same

[silver vine]

Im not justifying

[teal imp]

it feels like you are

[silver vine]

it feels like you are rubbing me on the wrong side

what Im saying is

HN2 story is not gonna change

we cant do anything about it

theres no point in complaining

Im not trying to justify what he did was right

[teal imp]

which is a shame because it establishes a precedent of the games not being connected to eachother at all

we already seen what alex thinks of the idea of a canon

saying "canon is flexible"

thats not a good sign

like at all

[silver vine]

indeed

he did make a mistake, but we cant do anything about it

[teal imp]

also with the AS it seems he is doubling down on the entire story not being in the games

[silver vine]

we are just wasting our own lives by complaining day and night and getting mad on what he did

[teal imp]

hn2 barely has anything

its probs not even important in the AS lore

[silver vine]

thats why Im saying that you dont need to watch AS to understand HN2

[teal imp]

feels like the only important thing will be the AS from now on

[silver vine]

also HN2

AS has been dormant for months

[teal imp]

seriously with how much alex is focused on the AS it feels like hn2 is just a cartoon tie in game at this point

[silver vine]

we've atleast been getting teasers on HN2

[teal imp]

I genuinely hope it stays that way

[silver vine]

meh, HN2 will have a lot more to it in the future

[teal imp]

lets not forget that alex originally wanted the guest to appear in the AS first

the only way that happens on is if they release episodes 3-6 at once

[silver vine]

but they will be released weekly

devs are prob working super hard on the guest right now

[safe charm]

I hope episode 3 isn’t a filler episode like episode 2 mostly was except for like the ending

[silver vine]

guest is def coming before AS

[teal imp]

also theres no way alex is making back the money from the AS from youtube ad revenue especially when his target audience has barely any attention span 💀

like the animation is cheap but I dont think its THAT cheap

seriously for the main thing that alex talks about you would expect the animation be less stiff and lifeless

Im also really frustrated with hn2

it has such an interesting idea

of investigating the town as an outsider who is a journalist

but my god its so lame in fg

everyone is part of the same cult or has some connections to it

[silver vine]

its lame if you think its lame

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in the old descriptions its implied everyone had their own thing going on

which seems way more interesting

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everyone do have their own thing

Mayor spies on ppl

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it just feels like they chose the laziest route

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we still dont know what Otto's deal is

[teal imp]

his main thing is that he is a cultist

thats the main thing you get from his house

theres no room which a bunch of camera monitors spying the town

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there will be

soon enough

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Quentin is spying on the town more than the mayor

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enemy of the cult or something

if the game was made for a more mature audience he could have maybe done taxidermy on people???

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or a victim like Ted

the cult thing was done soooo good in the books

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but now its a joke

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thats why ppl were freaking out when they found the cult stuff in the leaked files in september

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or is it?