lore-discussion

[solemn sleet]

I accept it, I just think that the guest causing the crash makes more sense than some random crash to make you feel bad for ted.

[wicked heath]

One has Aaron dead, some people happy.
One has Aaron alive, some people happy.

[silver vine]

exactly

wait

if Aaron actually died in HNVR

that means Enzo and Piper's mom also died

in RD

prob same with Peterson

[wicked heath]

If anything, it could rlly just be Ted or smth

[silver vine]

thats just my interpretation

[strange lance]

considering the end of hnvr ends with the credits and you in the void storm, Aaron is probably just sitting in the nest

forever

till he does die

[silver vine]

he does?

[wicked heath]

me when Aaron slowly turns into a birdman, Little Nightmares 2 style

[silver vine]

if Aaron is trapped in the nest, it means every missing person related to guest are also there

Enzo, Piper's mom, etc.

[strange lance]

I'd be down with being kidnapped in the nest, it looks like a cool place

[silver vine]

maybe the trick or treaters as well

but, you will prob die of loneliness

[strange lance]

true but I get to see cool places

[silver vine]

unless the ppl in the nest can contact each other

[wicked heath]

cue the chorus

[safe charm]

Sadly we will never find out

Becouse old lore wont be coming back sadly

[wooden hollow]

I wonder why the Guest helped Aaron with saving Nicky, maybe the Guest wanted Nicky free for some reason

[strange lance]

While the guest was using Aaron, I do think he had a bit of a human side, so he let him do one last good thing. In the process Nicky gets utterly tramatized of course so the guest does leave a impact.

That's why I think

[wicked heath]

Or he was like:
G: Look Im gonna kill you, so do you have a dying wish?
A: Can Nicky escape?
G: Granted! (proceed to destroy half of reality to retrieve a red key)

[stiff spire]

wait so let me get this straight Aaron canonically died by the Guest?

[safe charm]

Yes

Remember fake Aaron

In the beta

Aaron wasnt in the attic originaly

Becouse hes Either dead or in the nest

[stiff spire]

oh yeah

that does make sense now that you think about it since Quentin encountered the Guest instead of Aaron

[safe charm]

Yes

Guest was using mr Peterson

He made a connection with him

In hnvr

[winter perch]

What does mr Peterson even do with the people he kidnaps? like in the vr game its like he just ignores them. at least in the alphas it was scary

[snow mauve]

He just locks them up in his basement and that's it

[shell gull]

Well R.S. Was just being annoying so I guess so they don’t annoy him.

[viscid knot]

In secret neighbor

I think when he turns them into a mannequin

He puts them inside the basment

He burns their mannequin body in a furnace

Inside the basement

[quick dagger]

well, SN is what the kids think will happen on a break in attempt so that doesn't apply

[viscid knot]

I have a question

In secret neighbor

The neighbor

He's not Peterson?

It's the thing disguised as Peterson

?

I see a t-posing the thing when the neighbor is killed

I see shadow particles as well

[quick dagger]

Rocket Event confirms it's all in the kid's head and what is The Thing? Fear.

[viscid knot]

What If the thing was real

Remember in act 3

When Nicky saw the thing outside

Was he imagining things?

Or was it real

[quick dagger]

that was his mind

[viscid knot]

Oh

[teal imp]

ok so

do you think they will fix hn2`s story?

[wicked heath]

no

[teal imp]

#1112445065823006830 message
#1125173820848877689 message
#1112450451103830146 message
#1111298856693547088 message

I would be really upset if they ignore all of thse

[safe charm]

Doubt it sadly 😔

[oblique drum]

they will not do any of this

[safe charm]

Maybe

[pale urchin]

The reason why the first one was locked up is all thanks to guestyyy trying to revive it

Which shouldn't be a problem if the feedback would've gotten itself a break

[safe charm]

Dont blame me

[pale urchin]

I blame you, ok

[teal imp]

Im not sure if its worth asking to try to unlock it?

I really wanna fix that grammar error

should I bother asking?

[safe charm]

Well you could try

I guess

[pale urchin]

I think so

[shell gull]

Well, currently the best we have is its still an entity just one that derived in his mind, kinda like a sleep paralysis demon but never leaving.

[safe charm]

How can the guest

Make mr Peterson look like him

When he posseses him

[shell gull]

?

[safe charm]

In gn 2

When guest takes over him

Mr Peterson gets a costume

And looks slimer

[shell gull]

It’s called possession, it’s common themes in horror and such for a character when getting possessed to have the eye colors change or just the structure of them, even the clothes.

[safe charm]

What was the 1.5

Ending

Symbolizing

[shell gull]

That’s because he was basically dead and a rotting corpse during that later time.

[safe charm]

Wait he is lmao

[shell gull]

Literally the whole ending of GN2

He’s possessed

Can’t escape

[safe charm]

I miss nikita hn 2

To be honest

[safe charm]

I want more of this

[safe charm]

Wait was hn 2 supposed to be after act 3

Originaly

[shell gull]

No?

[safe charm]

Or well closer

To it

[shell gull]

It was always after Act 2 just some ideas of Act 3 during it

[safe charm]

But gn 2

Is after hn 2

So how can he be a rotting corpse

In 1.5?

[shell gull]

Bro, Alphas aren’t canon, it was just symbolic, and also 1.5 looks like it was after GN2 based on the town.

While alphas aren’t canon

They can give away main story ideas

[safe charm]

But still i Think hn 2 was supposed to take place During 2 time periods due to what Nikita implied

Like a time skip

[shell gull]

Nah

There was always a main plot

It was meant to be different from HN1

Instead of frequent changes or time changes

All the same mainly in one town that’s open

[safe charm]

Well why would an alpha then take place after act 3

Even if its not canon that would be weird

makes no sense

[shell gull]

You don’t get it

[ripe berry]

No no, he's got a point. If Time Loops were involved in HN2's Story like was implied through Book 7's description referencing "the newest game" referring to HN2 and Book 7 involving time loops, then it's possible there could be a "time skip" due to the loop

[safe charm]

Can you explain further

Do you mean Quentin got stuck

And then woke up later

In time

Or something like that

[ripe berry]

Either the game starts later in time and Quentin's trapped in a loop in the past or the Loop started in the past but since time still moves outside the loop technically it'd be at a later time when the loop's broken

[safe charm]

I think guest pushed him into the future

Like that he reapered

[ripe berry]

I don't see why they'd set it up in a way where the loops seem to be a part of HN2 and then just not involve the loops at all

[safe charm]

Years later

[safe charm]

Becouse story change i guess 😔

[ripe berry]

I mean in the original plot

[safe charm]

Well hn 2 isnt old plot

Soo

[ripe berry]

That is why I think the loops were a part of the old plot

in some form at least

[safe charm]

Like i seriously want that back

Right now lol

I dont care about neighbor vs cult

Plot

I care about guest vs neighbor plot

Like its so unfortunate that they scraped the story

[ripe berry]

Also random question for the people on this server: If the Guest is a manifestation, how is Guest Kid? While we don't know for sure when Guest Kid was a kid, it seems likely to be before the GAAP Opened, so how did he exist in the original lore. This is the one question I have about the Guest Manifestation Theory.

[ripe berry]

ye

Want Cult? Read Books 4-6

[strange lance]

Can you explain this better lol

Guest kid is just...a kid, dressed up as the park mascot

[teal imp]

nah man guest kid is the guest as a child smh

why would he be called guest kid?

🤓

[safe charm]

Well the story was changed soo

Maybe in new as

Lore

The cult kidnappad guest kid to use him as a vessel

🙂

[kindred veldt]

the lore is fortnite battlepass!

[manic dirge]

how do you enter the nest?

[wicked heath]

You wait till the goose communicates with you or smth

[manic dirge]

k

[wicked heath]

ping was quite necessary

[manic dirge]

srry

[manic dirge]

btw how do you leave the nest?

[wicked heath]

why do you ask??

[manic dirge]

idk just wondering

[teal imp]

you just do

Delroy is a good role model

Delroy accidentally entering the nest after he opens a random door:

https://tenor.com/view/shock-enbyzwithfun-black-guy-gif-20630301

[ripe berry]

Yeah but even in the Beta it seems like Guest Kid going missing happened before the Park opened

(I know it's a assumption but it seems likely so I'm just asking how the hell the timeline works with Guest Kid if the Guest seemingly didn't exist in any form back then)

[strange lance]

what in the beta signifies he went missing before the park opened?

[barren zephyr]

I'm curious is there a raven cult?

[severe basalt]

I think so

[snow mauve]

Yes

[lapis sonnet]

and before anyone says "guest kid is scrapped" please shut up bc hnvr was gonna follow the old hn2 plot

[snow mauve]

It's the banana man!

[lapis sonnet]

hi

[snow mauve]

been a while

[lapis sonnet]

im back after being inactive just to find not a single new thing has happened

woohoo

[snow mauve]

Other than guest officially coming soon

[lapis sonnet]

i was here for that

that was when i peaced out

[snow mauve]

h

[shell gull]

Oh hey your back

[snow mauve]

Yes he died after losing his bananas

[lapis sonnet]

true story

this whole time ive been trying to find them

[shell gull]

So uhh, do you know the Manifestation theory, that one thing you missed.

[lapis sonnet]

if ur talking ab the guest being a manifestation bc of hnvr i was here for that

u guys think i left way longer than i did i dipped when guest was announced for hn2

duh

[shell gull]

Ah, it’s also seen in the books and novels, but yeah it’s fully embraced in here.

[shell gull]

Well that’s a shame

[snow mauve]

ye

[shell gull]

Well you have to keep in mind even before then there would still be G.A.M. And since the OG G.A.M. Got retconned it’s safe to say the character was there as the mascot through the G.A. Company’s life.

Which make sense why the Costume has different looks such as Eyes.

[lapis sonnet]

when was it present in the novels

[snow mauve]

The loreeee

[teal imp]

They will probably ruin him

[snow mauve]

Eh idc anyway

[teal imp]

I dont really trust egs

[snow mauve]

What i really care about is just gameplay

[teal imp]

I will only trust them when they prove themselves

Well if they prove themselves..

[teal imp]

Seeing how they botched live mode and the chasing I doubt it

[lapis sonnet]

dont be so negative 😠

grrrrrrrr

[snow mauve]

Pizza time 🍕

[shell gull]

The Guest getting scared when Ted got over his emotions, him using Ted to his benefit.

[wooden hollow]

Does GN2 take place before or after act 3?

[stiff spire]

probably after

he says "I know a lot about nosy kids."

so maybe

[stuck fable]

[spice grove]

hey mate

[teal imp]

ayo the pizza here

[sage obsidian]

This ain't lore discussion it's pizza time 🍕

[teal imp]

I feel like its before

somewhere in the 2010s?

[safe charm]

So what would you rate

Old and new lore?

[teal imp]

old lore = good/10
new lore = bad/10

pretty simple

[sage obsidian]

Ikr, for me none of the new lore makes sense. I only know the basic over all

[teal imp]

its best to just ignore it

(sadly this makes hn2 non canon because alex is desprate for it to tie in with the AS despite nobody liking it)

its no coincidense that hn2 has the worst story out of all the games

even Hello Engineer has more story

like wth

[sage obsidian]

Wait HN2 is not cannon?

[safe charm]

Yep

Sadly

It’s not even canon

[sage obsidian]

Ohh.... I never knew that I thought it was

[teal imp]

I mean theres a lot of plotholes that it might aswell not be canon

the biggest issue is aaron still being with ted

[sage obsidian]

It does make sense thought not to be Canon.

[teal imp]

he is most likely ||dead after hnvr or in the nest||

ngl saving Aaron from the guest would be way more interesting than saving him from his dad again

even if I dont want the saving Aaron thing to be brought back

[sage obsidian]

I want to play Hnvr but I can't plus I bearly know anything about hnvr

[teal imp]

its just lazy and lame

[teal imp]

oh shit I hope I didnt ruin it for you

[safe charm]

You did put a spoiler tag

[teal imp]

hnvr has a good mix of story and gameplay the only issue it has is the bugs

[sage obsidian]

All I know that the ending is SPOILERS: Nicky in the room or whatever

[safe charm]

However

[teal imp]

act 2 intro

Aaron pov

[safe charm]

The hn 2 beta is canon

[teal imp]

ehhh

[sage obsidian]

Oh oke

[safe charm]

Remember fake Aaron

[teal imp]

the beta has plot elements that are canon

[safe charm]

In the attic

[teal imp]

but itself has a lot of stuff that doesnt fit

but it fits better than fg thats for sure

[safe charm]

Like retconning the lore is the most confusing decision in my opinion

Like literally why everybody

Liked it

[lapis sonnet]

how does that have to do with act 3

act 3 is a dream

[teal imp]

mr peterson would either be dead by act 3 or he would be really old

the only reason he is a threat after that is because the guest is possesing him

[wicked heath]

he was already old as hell in hn2, which is like 20 years before act 3

[teal imp]

the only reason he would be alive is the guest

I assume the guest possesing him is the last thing keeping him alive at this point

[silver cargo]

What?
A game has bugs.
Impossible.

[teal imp]

what?

have you played hnvr?

the bugs are game breaking

the closets kill me more than the neighbor

getting out of bounds and getting softlocked is too common

[silver cargo]

It was a joke.

No, I didn't played HNVR and yes I know about the bugs.

I just found it funny how you said that the game has bugs.
Don't take it serious. 👍

[stiff spire]

I mean it has to be after he encountered Nicky or something

since he had nosy kids break into his house aka rescue squad

[teal imp]

imagine if they replace ted being possesed by the guest and instead and then they have the kids fight his ghost in the AS when they are grown up

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-down-punch-beat-up-punching-fighting-gif-17298348

If that happens I’m about to

[lapis sonnet]

he already encountered nicky

like more times then any of the other kids

he was literally aarons childhood friend and broke into his house multiple times

[stiff spire]

ik

[lapis sonnet]

then why would gn2 happen after act 3

[teal imp]

lets be honest alex and his world class writers would 100% do that

[shell gull]

Act 3 is after Act 2 during that time he dealt with R.S. Which means even though it’s a Self Therapy session of his Nicky knew Ted had already dealt a lot with him and his friends.

[shell gull]

Fax

[stiff spire]

now that you think about it yeah you're right

[lapis sonnet]

since they are obsessed with including SN skins

[teal imp]

they could have had the AS just been about SN

[lapis sonnet]

eh ig

[safe charm]

They should have used the pilots plot

It was pretty good

[stiff spire]

they botched Nicky in the AS

[safe charm]

But make it more mature

Becouse the pilot was clearly

For kids

[teal imp]

they killed narf....

gotta love how alex cant tell we absolutely hate his dumb cartoon

[lapis sonnet]

as much as u all want to say an old lore AS wouldve been better it really wouldnt

[shell gull]

Act 3 would have to be after GN2 simply look at the town during the first part of Act 3 (other than the background houses since they were too lazy to Change them), Nicky’s house is run down and Teds well… is gone (Retconned) so how could it have happened, we know the house was left from his parents which means the house was in check, so it’s simply just that the RB Disaster caused the run down look, during that time it was just to show how long it’s been but now with GN2 it’s basically just the Flood.

[stiff spire]

no way nikki raw

[lapis sonnet]

bc we already have have a bunch of games and books that covers old lore other than how we dont have hn2

and AS isnt bad and nicky wasnt botched, hes just different. on that note, everything is just different

[stiff spire]

true even the back of the book said it'd tie into the new game (probably referring to HN2)

[lapis sonnet]

thats why u guys dont like it

[teal imp]

the diffrent things are a downgrade

[stiff spire]

they changed the main character of the show's perspective

[lapis sonnet]

and theres nothing wrong with it being different as an AU except for the fact alex is attempting to make it the main canon

[teal imp]

Nicky`s motivations are ruined and his character is unlikeable

[shell gull]

Yup, which we now know there was a flood before GN2, A.K.A. The SN Hurricane thing, which is why HN2s alphas had a run down look to it.

[lapis sonnet]

i dont hate how the AS is i just wish hn2 wasnt connected to it

[teal imp]

#secret-neighbor message

[safe charm]

Wait

[teal imp]

its one of the things ruining hn2

[safe charm]

Why did reset day

Say it was gonna tie

Into hn 2

[lapis sonnet]

what

[teal imp]

as long as its connected to the AS I cant enjoy hn2

[safe charm]

But it didnt

[stiff spire]

cause why not I guess they really did want to

[safe charm]

Not at all

[stiff spire]

it was probably Alex's decision but he changed his mind

[shell gull]

Gonna explain the lead up to HN2 which was gonna be Old HN2, which never happened.

[lapis sonnet]

bc hn2 was gonna take place in 2 time periods, part of it was gonna be before gn2 and then another part was gonna be after reset day

i think

[safe charm]

Thanks

[teal imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830163024219865128/1120507527134728292/VID_131460418_054750_8212.mp4

[lapis sonnet]

or just that alphas 1-1.5 were gonna be after reset day

but a2 and beta was before gn2

[teal imp]

its obvious why it doesnt

[safe charm]

Ik

But i wont accept

It

[teal imp]

its because alex is dumb and decided to scrap everything they had about the story late into development

[shell gull]

No?, Nikita said it was after Act 2 and just some parts of reasoning in Act 3 lead ups.

[safe charm]

Im in denial

🙂

[stiff spire]

it's crazy how over 3 years a story can change

[lapis sonnet]

im not gonna be petty and ask u to find proof im just gonna take ur word for it

[stiff spire]

no actually 4 (it's been worked on for 4 years actually since 2019) if you count HG's old days

[lapis sonnet]

what makes more sense is alpha 1 and 1.5 was after reset day

[shell gull]

I don’t have a screenshot but quite literally everyone said that’s what he said so…

[lapis sonnet]

kk

[safe charm]

So still why

[teal imp]

they had a story ready around the beta. then Alex replaceed nikita and they decided to scrap bassically everything

[safe charm]

Would reset day

Connect

If its after

Hn 2

[teal imp]

because the guest was going to be important in hn2

now he isnt

[shell gull]

HN2s ending was gonna explain the lead up to GN2 and RD, sadly that didn’t happen and HNVR took that job.

[safe charm]

Well hes a plot device 🫠

[lapis sonnet]

this is from 2019

[teal imp]

now he is just another side character because alex doesnt want to use a cool new antagonist and is just reusing the same lame old one

[lapis sonnet]

why does it matter

[teal imp]

its funny

[safe charm]

Damn now im even sadder

[lapis sonnet]

not really hnvr was planned and in the works when hn2 was

[teal imp]

because its true

[safe charm]

😢

[shell gull]

Yes, but since HN2 got Lore switches HNVR just took the job for us.

[stiff spire]

whoops

I didn't mean to reply to you

[teal imp]

bro really said:
🫠 >😢

[stiff spire]

yeah right a "break"

[lapis sonnet]

but it didnt take the job for us it left questions

[shell gull]

Not really

[teal imp]

me when I lie:

[shell gull]

It’s summed up well

Only question really is Aaron dead or just kidnapped

[safe charm]

Not everything

[lapis sonnet]

dont start with ur manifestation theory

i get it

[shell gull]

I’m not?, isn’t mine either?

[lapis sonnet]

i mean we didnt get a clear solid official non theory reason to what the guest was

[teal imp]

Aaron combined....

[safe charm]

The manifestation theory is likely but it wasnt confirmed by hnvr

[shell gull]

Entity as simple as that, that’s what we have and without any other factors it’s just that.

[lapis sonnet]

and the nest is confusing

[strange lance]

Not really

[lapis sonnet]

and here we go with the "ending was in the nest" thing

[teal imp]

too bad we wont see what the guest was meant to be. Now we are stuck with a lame demon that isnt even related to ted in any way. Thanks alex 🙃

[strange lance]

It's just a dimension of the guest's where Ted's stuff is kept

Like that's pretty clear

[shell gull]

Manifestation is just the best we got, most of Lore Chat agrees and it doesn’t break anything at all, and works fine.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[teal imp]

I wonder if I can use UUU in hnvr

[lapis sonnet]

idc if lore chat agrees did they work with nikita?

[safe charm]

So does guest get any power when he puts people in the nest

Or do he just

[lapis sonnet]

no

[safe charm]

Do it for fun

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[teal imp]

anyway I dont really believe the end is in the nest but thats just me

[lapis sonnet]

i think

[shell gull]

Just keeps um

[lapis sonnet]

fr

[teal imp]

a skybox isnt enough solid evidence for me

but im not gonna argue about it

[strange lance]

Even if it's not in the nest Aaron is still pulled into it

They put that window there for a reason

[safe charm]

Like do you think alex watches our conversaisons

Lol

[shell gull]

It works with Nikita’s big secret, Nikita seemed to have that big connection he wanted, and If you go deep into the theory it works quite well and would make sense with what he could’ve planned out.

[stiff spire]

I mean he's online

so maybe

[strange lance]

Maybe, and if so he does not care

[stiff spire]

would be cool if he made an apology of some sort

for what he did

[teal imp]

send the drawing with the guest having a comically long arm

[safe charm]

Like listen star wars has retconned things but they didnt

Retcon main

Stuff

Just very old books

Thats not tied that much into the main plot

[teal imp]

How to become a hn fan:
Step 1

https://tenor.com/view/normal-normal-pills-dream-dream-team-mcyt-gif-21895821

[teal imp]

peak

[safe charm]

The ending isnt in the nest

How would nicky be there

[shell gull]

Luke’s second trilogy left the chat:

[safe charm]

Still

George Lucas

Said he didnt consider

[strange lance]

Then why is there suddenly a window in this specific basement, with the sky box of the void storm when they already had a normal skybox

[safe charm]

Them canon

[strange lance]

That's just dumb

[shell gull]

Wait, yes, and no, it could quite literally be either and doesn’t change any factors.

[safe charm]

Well so did guest put nicky

[shell gull]

True I’m one his side rn

[safe charm]

There as well

[shell gull]

No?, it just might be symbolic of Aaron getting dragged into the nest itself.

[safe charm]

Would be so happy

If he did

And i would forgive everything

[strange lance]

Like we literally see the basement with the furnace and the walled off washing machine, that is how it looks. In the other basement the washing machine is gone, and so is the furnace, and now there is a window, a window showing the storm, I literally do not see the issue.

HN fans when they get clear evidence and just deny it

[stiff spire]

they keep changing the basement's design

[strange lance]

whether that be through environments or being shown straight up

There is something called environmental storytelling, pay attention to it

[shell gull]

[strange lance]

the window has the nest storm outside

"it means nothing"

bro what

[safe charm]

Well can somebody tell me how the nest

Even works

Do you just

[strange lance]

It just exists

[shell gull]

Pocket dimension

[safe charm]

End

[shell gull]

Simple

[safe charm]

Up there

For no reason

[stiff spire]

wait hold on does the nest in GN2 have to do something with the nest in HNVR

[shell gull]

Weird gate ways like holes doors or closets

[stiff spire]

the first time we saw it was mentioned was in GN2

[safe charm]

Oh i went to take a shit and now im in the nest😱

[shell gull]

Before it’s redesign

[stiff spire]

ah

[shell gull]

Yeah like backrooms

But keep in Mind the connection Micheal

[safe charm]

I guess the guest puts people there manualy

[strange lance]

In gn2 Regina enters the nest through a hole in the truck I believe, Ted's stuff is there, and then she kinda just exits it somehow.

In hnvr the kids either enter it by just opening a door, or in this case getting gassed, and then they just leave through vents.

It's like the upside down from stranger things

random entrances

everywhere

[safe charm]

Well is nest still canon

To new lore

[strange lance]

to the new lore idk and idc

to the original uh yeah

[safe charm]

Well i care becouse we might never get old lore back

[teal imp]

tbh I sorta would have rathered have the guest possesing ted stuff to have happend in hn2 (if they kept the old story)

[shell gull]

The Thing has a weird pocket dimension in Nicky’s mind filled with Nicky involved stuff such as a Child version of him, The Guest has a pocket dimension filled with Ted involved stuff and versions of him and his family, Micheal is really good with connecting stuff.

[safe charm]

And i want so much stuff as possible

From it

[teal imp]

it seems like old lore hn2 was also gonna be irelevant seeing how nothing from it seems to affect latter stuff

[strange lance]

We don't know what would have happened in hn2, there could have been some big time travel plot or whatever

we will never know

but I don't think it really matters tbh, the spinoffs already tell us everything we need to know

[stiff spire]

old HN2 would've most likely connect to GN2

[strange lance]

yes

since hn2 is right before gn2

[safe charm]

And i love that idea

[stiff spire]

books had a brilliant story all they had to do was adapt it

[teal imp]

Quentin becomes Norman Darby arc moment

[shell gull]

Take this further, don’t wanna piss of Lockpicker because he hates it when I bring this up but uhh, Entiy of Manifesta-

[stiff spire]

not oversimplify it

[teal imp]

I was told gn2 is in like the 2010s?

[shell gull]

Like 2014-2015

[teal imp]

also arent there smartphones in gn2 or something? people told me there was

[strange lance]

Idk who told you that, we were never given dates If I remember

[stiff spire]

yup there is

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

and yes there are smart phones in gn2

which makes sense

[safe charm]

So was the guest ever gonna take possesion of teds body in original hn 2

You Think?

[shell gull]

No?

[strange lance]

no

because that's for gn2 lol

[shell gull]

Yeah

[teal imp]

lame

[strange lance]

Hnvr: guest and ted connection
gn2: actual possession

hn2 idk

[teal imp]

I always wanted guest ted in hn2

[strange lance]

what is there to do

[safe charm]

Well isnt it implied gn 2 wasnt the first time he possesed

Him

Smh?

[teal imp]

they kinda screwed themselves over with having the cool possesion stuff happen in it

[shell gull]

Bully Ted to feed Goose, and make sure goofy ahh Journalist doesn’t ruin it.

[teal imp]

honestly pisses me off that the books had the cool stuff while the games were left without story

and that also made the old story easier to retcon

despite the new one not even working with the games at all

[stiff spire]

this was the first ever teaser we got for the guest neighbor around 2019

[safe charm]

I just dont care about new lore im sorry but i dont

[teal imp]

its a shame this was cut

[stiff spire]

before we eventually got the redesign

[teal imp]

I would have loved possesed ted in hn2

[stiff spire]

man he looked so sick in this photo I felt bad for him like he was gonna vomit

[teal imp]

I thought he lost his mind and I loved that concept

[shell gull]

Ahh yes Ted when depression hits when little kid who’s friends with his son who he locked up to be there with escapes and tell police 😔

[stiff spire]

but also

[strange lance]

Hn2 ted is just gn2 ted prior to the possesion really. He's being influenced to do stuff by the guest

[stiff spire]

there was a teaser for guest neighbor video

[strange lance]

so you got that I suppose

[safe charm]

Was alex serious when he Said the canon was flexible?

[stiff spire]

I wonder if we'll ever see it

[strange lance]

hell no

that was just an excuse

[teal imp]

imma be real with you thats still lame I want to see that shit ingame not in a book

[stiff spire]

I had to

[teal imp]

"we`re all going to die" another excuse

like bro he is telling us to not give a shit

[shell gull]

“Run to a Museum, and hide there, trust me just like put a fake version of your son that I killed in the Attic and let me chill there, trust me no one’s gonna find out not some goofy ahh guy at the press.”

[teal imp]

Im not gonna buy any new lore games because new lore is written for babies

[stiff spire]

I mean new people who probably never read the books probably think the AS is good

but until they read them they'll understand

[shell gull]

That’s what I’m saying the new Gen just gonna hate books

[stiff spire]

I like books still

they're fun reading

[teal imp]

I listened to book 1. It was corny as hell but way better than the AS

[stiff spire]

they probably retconned Nicky's grandma

Bubbe Fein

[shell gull]

The Fart synthesizer was goofy but the story itself was really good and horror vibes

[safe charm]

Like this in gn 2 would be such a good cutscene

If we could get stuff like this

[shell gull]

Red oak color sleeves are S tier

[safe charm]

Like guest freaking kills mr Peterson and uses his corpse

As a host

[shell gull]

Prob not dead

[teal imp]

Honestly gn2 is what I would have expected old hn2 to end like. Im glad we have gn2 but like it removed any chances of that happening in game

[shell gull]

Cuz he would prob die

[safe charm]

You just

Said that

Yesterday

[shell gull]

Yeah before VR

[safe charm]

That hes a walking corpse

[shell gull]

What?

[shell gull]

When?

[safe charm]

Wait

[shell gull]

Yeah “basically”

[safe charm]

Wait are we the only 2 here at the moment

Lol

[shell gull]

If Manifestation is right he’s probably just keeping him alive to feed off, like hitting a Springtrap.

[safe charm]

So why did hnvr

Make the manifestation theory so

Used

Like it didnt reveal anything

That much

[shell gull]

Probably Implying it’s right

[safe charm]

Where

In it

Becouse theres nothing implying it to me

[strange lance]

Man the guest seems to target Aaron and Ted a lot when they're emotionally vulnerable, specifically Ted, and Ted also grieved in the park where the park statue is, I wonder what this could entail!

🤯

[safe charm]

It could mean guest is an entity that feeds off of peoples

Emotion

[strange lance]

yes that is what he is

He's a manipulator

[shell gull]

And he used Aaron against Ted to make it worse!!!!!!!!

[safe charm]

But he might have just always exised

And just gets stronger

By feeding off of

[shell gull]

Proof

[safe charm]

Their emotion

[safe charm]

Its a theory

[shell gull]

Ok

[safe charm]

Like manifestation theory is

[strange lance]

Ok so if the guest always existed, that means he's just some random thing, that took on the appearence of the park mascot for some reason, and randomly decided to mess only with Ted because why not

[shell gull]

But you need proof

[strange lance]

The Guest being direclty from Ted is much more impactful

[shell gull]

W

[strange lance]

The thing that Ted accidently creates is more powerful than him in every way

[safe charm]

Well the guest seems to have something

With mayak

[strange lance]

duh

[shell gull]

Just like how The Thing is better than Nicky?!?!?!!?!?!!!?!?!?!?1!2!2$3$$:!:

[strange lance]

We see the guest make Ted make the weather machine in gn2

[safe charm]

Ik that

But im talking about the guest origin

And idk but i think it have something to do with mayak

[strange lance]

That's kinda lame, mayak already does a bunch of stuff

[safe charm]

Not just emotions

[strange lance]

mayak is jsut the problem maker at this point

it makes storms, it makes floods, it makes dimensions

and now it makes random entity

for no reason

and never does it again

[shell gull]

Well someone did say that the Manifestation could appear from the storms of Mayak, but there isn’t a lot of proof other than The Guest noises coming from the Mayak Lightning.

[safe charm]

Like Cough cough guest

[lapis sonnet]

yeah so the guest manifested from mayak right

bc SN suggests that

[strange lance]

does it

[shell gull]

Does it?

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[strange lance]

how so

[shell gull]

Not really

[lapis sonnet]

on the patches

[shell gull]

Huagh

[strange lance]

what?

[shell gull]

At most is the lightning

[strange lance]

the badges?

[lapis sonnet]

yes

[shell gull]

You know your making zero sense when even Mouse says “What?”

[strange lance]

the guest badge or the mayak badge

[lapis sonnet]

i think mayak but idk

[safe charm]

Mayak

[shell gull]

True, but that could just quite literally be referring to the whole GN2 thing

Same with the lightning

[lapis sonnet]

true

[shell gull]

And we know The Guest wants to use Mayak

So at the simplest

[safe charm]

The guest just appearing out of thin air from emotions is intresting but i think theres something more

Then just emotions

[strange lance]

This has nothing to do with the guest

people here came up with the guest being a "manifestation"

[shell gull]

Or gore like a blob…

[strange lance]

Unless you wanna say that the guest came from space

because oh wow

that would be weird

[stiff spire]

alien guest

[safe charm]

So the guest litteraly just appeared one day

[shell gull]

“In all of its Manifestations” could reference that the place is packed with Apex Manifestations in like other places in the world, such as The Guest and The Thing and ETC.

[safe charm]

Becouse mr Peterson

Was sad

[strange lance]

it's like fnaf lol

[shell gull]

Yup

[strange lance]

HN and fnaf are more similar than you realize

[shell gull]

Pretty much

[safe charm]

But why arent There manifestation everywhere

Then

[shell gull]

Such as Ted being kept alive by The Guest when he possessed him, ahem Cassidy ahem ahem cough Afton Haughshjsjs.

[strange lance]

because I don't think a normal RB citizen is trying to travel back in time to save their dead family

specifically in the park

[shell gull]

Only Ted is that smart, so why not The Geust us him to its benefit, like I’ve said a Manifestation doesn’t always have one goal, just depends how smart it is.

[strange lance]

I really do not like that word anymore

[shell gull]

How bout E.O.M.

[strange lance]

entity from ted

[shell gull]

More pleasing to me

[shell gull]

Entity of Manifestation

Goose can just be Goose

Ig

[strange lance]

I think it's as simple as

thing = embodiment of fear for many

guest = I guess he's literally just fnaf agony

the guest and elenaor are literally the same thing

[shell gull]

Guest entity of sadness and depression, Thing entity of Fear and Trauma.

[strange lance]

Hello neighbor: Golden Apple frights

3 short story series

I would like that kind of thing for HN but there's not really enough villains

you have the thing, ted, and the guest

no other creatures

[shell gull]

There probably is, just I’d imagine it’s for them to stay alive and grow, like there has to be a constant of emotion, like I said this can be taken further with Sleep Paralysis, WW2 veterans seeing things, in this case this could be Nikita’s big thing, taking these events and hallucinations and making them real.

[stiff spire]

it would be nice to have an antagonist that's not fear or a monster

but an actual person

[shell gull]

Ha

[shell gull]

Ahem MITH

[strange lance]

Golden Apple frights 1: The man in the hat

ok pull a fnaf and make a bunch of random inventions that accidently kill people

[shell gull]

Golden Apple Frights 2: The Rotten Core

[stiff spire]

they should bring him back to HN2 at some point

[shell gull]

Hopefully

[stiff spire]

I wonder how they'd make him have use to the story

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

I think mith was sadly replaced by missing journalist

[safe charm]

Well if its gonna continue with new lore

[stiff spire]

only one can hope

[safe charm]

I doubt it

[shell gull]

Gotta go

[stiff spire]

they retconned a lot of stuff already so I wouldn't be surprised

[safe charm]

Okay Bye

[safe charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nighy-davy-jones-pirates-of-the-carribbean-no-angry-gif-12484857

Me in the shower tomorrow learning guest is retconned and scrapped

[lapis sonnet]

the neighbor..

[stiff spire]

what I meant was more main antagonists the neighbor has gotta go at some point

[pale urchin]

Hn2-

[hazy slate]

tales from the campfire

actually

tales from Raven Brooks

[half harbor]

6

[hazy slate]

7

[half harbor]

Ok

[hazy slate]

you gotta say 8

c'mon

[half harbor]

07694

[trim wasp]

soo did ted just go down in the basement and say welp aaron i know you hate it down here so were moving to the museum! and then take him to the museum without anyone noticeing or anything.

[strange lance]

Yes

[shell gull]

Well in AU, Yes, Canon Aaron is either kidnapped or dead.

[manic dirge]

8

[viscid portal]

Why does the Guest kidnap people? What is the nest in which the kidnapped people are?

[shell gull]

To use, and if they are winning against him, The Nest is a pocket dimension where he keeps mostly Ted related things.

[snow mauve]

Because guest is guest

[viscid portal]

Thank you,guys

[sage obsidian]

Super useful, gotta recommend

[cunning sand]

yeah i agree

[silver cargo]

Ted's socks too?

[shell gull]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️

[silver cargo]

Great, now we are a step closer to solve Hello Neighbor lore.

I think it's very important to know that Ted's socks are probably in the Nest.

[manic dirge]

is all of the locations of the nest connected?

[ripe berry]

Probably

The Nest seems to be able to twist and conform it's shape so it's not hard to believe all the areas are linked

(I mean the Nest/Guest World and what I call "Thing World"/Fear Rooms + Act Finale seem to both be created from distorted memories of the Hosts, hence why the Host and people the Host knows exist in those areas (Nicky in Thing World, Mr. Peterson in both, Aaron in Guest World (not counting the Cutout here), etc.), so it's not hard to believe the memory distortion allows for everything we see change in Guest World between visits and would allow for the red space)

[manic dirge]

oh cool!

[shell gull]

That would explain the Nest being a Red atmosphere texture in GN2, instead of just being a redesign, it could be that it distorted from Teds sadness giving the void and blue wackiness, to the Vengeance in GN2 giving The Nest a distortion of a dark tone red colored ambient representation.

[silver vine]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor2-hello-neighbor-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-26053565

[ripe berry]

Oh moderators

There's a scam here

thx for removing it

[pale urchin]

Are they banned? (Hopefully)

[young kayak]

yes

[tribal talon]

So is Aaron the guest?

In hnvr basement (spoilers) Aaron can become the crow (guest) and vice versa

[snow mauve]

Nope

[snow mauve]

That's just the gameplay mechanic switching back into the character's point of view

It's the same thing when using the walkie talkie to switch into different kids

[shell gull]

No, he doesn’t turn into The Guest it’s just a switch between characters, though The Guest did attach his mind to Aaron.

[shell gull]

Ye

[tribal talon]

Ah, wondered about that, thanks

[shell gull]

So how could The Guest be a shapeshifter?

@safe charm

[safe charm]

Becouse he can become a bird when he wants its implied he took the crow statues form in he

Or theorised

[shell gull]

Yeah, it’s an attribute?, He has only two forms throughout the series, one where he’s a Raven and one that’s his base, there’s no other implications of any other form, which would make it an attribute, E.O.M. Have the attributes they have, The Guest just has quite many and quite strong ones and helpful.

[safe charm]

Ahh

Okay

I think the guest is an entity created by the universe or from another dimension

[shell gull]

Haugh

[safe charm]

Im not sure i believe

The manifestation theory

Not enough

Proof

[safe charm]

Like i think hes always

Existed

He just appeared

[shell gull]

Uh

🤷‍♂️

[safe charm]

What its just my theory

Not fact

[shell gull]

Ik

But do you have any like micro proof or?

[teal imp]

I honestly hope they listen to my post https://discord.com/channels/474299944254308373/1112445065823006830

because it got off topic

sadly the post being locked means it will probably be forgotten about

Im not sure if its worth trying

I want to but It probably wont lead to anything

[strange lance]

People ask why the guest does what he does when the SN badge and Regina from gn2 literally say why he does that stuff. He is evil yes, but as Regina says, he does what he does because he's lonely, he takes things to feel the empty void which aligns with Ted having nothing but grief when the Guest would be made from him. And the SN badge talks about hospitality, welcoming guests which clearly no one does. Guest just needs some friends

I saw that guessty..

It is time for mouseflash

[safe charm]

In reset day do the characters

Ever talk about the guest

Like rumors and stuff

[strange lance]

I read gn2 yesterday and didn't recall that moment from Regina so I thought I'd bring it up

The Guest is talked about a bit

"The raven man"

[safe charm]

Like what stuff

[strange lance]

I'll have to reread that stuff too

I don't remember much of reset day

[safe charm]

I must have missed a bunch

Like do we learn anything important

If you can recall?

Anything

[safe charm]

What do you remember?

[strange lance]

The basic plot

That's it

[safe charm]

So you learn nothing about the guest i guess

Lol

Well besides him being inside mr Peterson

[safe charm]

So guest

Isnt evil?

In gn2

[strange lance]

Yes he is evil

He's evil because of the way he's been treated I am assuming

Based on what I have seen

And taken in

Don't like take this as fact and then come up with new theories

I don't want another manifestation incident

That word has been ruined

[safe charm]

Manifestation👀

[safe charm]

So is the nest like in a way a part of the guest like not litteraly

But like its connected to him

[teal imp]

man he should see the amount of fans that he has

[strange lance]

Willingly go to the guest and like, say hi. Maybe he'll be nice to you

[teal imp]

I mean when I try to do that he either runs away or he yeets me

[safe charm]

So the Nightmare in hnvr

With guest appearing behind mr Peterson

Is that symbolizing guest being born out of his grief

[strange lance]

I made a theory that the guest was born from Ted's grief and then it spread to this manifestation stuff

And then involved the thing for some reason

From hn1

Which is not even real

So true

[ripe berry]

I don't 100% agree with the Manifestation stuff but it's the most plausible theory unless they confirm the crow from HNHS to be the Guest (that thing seems to have it's own goals), the Guest being what the Forest Protectors worship or smth like that, or HND spells it out for us

[pallid hill]

so the Crow is trying to do something to the Neighbour, and that's why he was the antagonist of one of the HN2 builds? (the one with the house)

[ripe berry]

The Crow/Guest seems to be trying to feed off of the Grief of Ted and others

mainly Ted/The Neighbo(u)r

[ripe berry]

It's most plausible as there's not any solid evidence to really say the other viewpoints is more correct then it nor is there enough evidence to disprove it

[safe charm]

Why is it implied

In gn2

[pallid hill]

Sounds interesting! It also ties back into Matpat's old "Satan" theory, what with The Neighbour selling his soul. I don't think The Guest is actively trying to get Mr. Peterson's soul, but it could be related.

Maybe it also ties into the ending of HN: H&S, The Crow might have helped The Sister throughout the game just to push along the possibility of death. We also see in Stage 5, if you fall off before the cutscene the Crow saves you. It only lets you fall after The Brother pushes you.

[safe charm]

The guest actually is the neighbor

Like not that hes possesed but its actually him

[pallid hill]

didn't we see The Neighbour outside the house in the beta of HN2 where The Guest is in his house?

[safe charm]

The guest isnt in the house

Like he might have left

[shell gull]

Yeah but you have to keep in mind, even in GN2 and RD The Guest has his own goals.

[spice grove]

yeah

yeah

[paper shadow]

Clearly a "yeah" moment

[viscid knot]

yeah

[spice grove]

yeah

[toxic mist]

yeah

[leaden knoll]

Yeah

[manic dirge]

yeah

[silver vine]

yeah

[stiff spire]

yeah

[eager glade]

yeah

[snow mauve]

yeah

[velvet fossil]

yeah

[quick dagger]

yeah

[spark tulip]

Yeah.

[muted moon]

yeah

[tribal talon]

yeah

[shell gull]

yeah

[sage obsidian]

yeah

yeah?

[spark tulip]

Yeah.

[sage obsidian]

yeah

[snow mauve]

No!!!!

They broke the chain!

AHH

[spark tulip]

Dispose of this person..

[snow mauve]

Rip #yeah-discussion 🫡

You will be missed

[quick dagger]

the curse has been lifted

[shell gull]

No!!!!!!!

[eager glade]

😢

[viscid portal]

What

[shell gull]

Actual answer, The Cult killed them, but how dare you ruin the Yeah chain and ruin the Yeah discussion 😔.

[snow mauve]

Anyways lore discussion

[viscid portal]

I just asked

[shell gull]

Yeah 😞

[snow mauve]

Don't worry we're just messing with ya

[viscid portal]

Sorry,I don’t see

[velvet fossil]

It's okay. They're joking. The real yeah are the friends we made along the way

[shell gull]

In loving memory of the Yeah, and what it brought upon this community, it brought joy, happiness, love, hope and best of all a once of a time that the community came together, thank you Yeah, and to its creator @spice grove, we will miss Yeah, and the Yeah discussion, thank you, in loving memory pay respects by doing the “🪦” reaction.

[muted moon]

yeah discussion failed the vr check

[shell gull]

Agreed 🤧

[muted moon]

yeah discussion after failing the vr check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYiyJOXb0AE

[snow mauve]

I'm already having a mental breakdown rn

[stiff spire]

yeah part 2

[worn vale]

It would be extremely nice if they would add more dlcs to the game

[viscid knot]

Who ruined the yeah discussion

[teal imp]

man I missed it

[tribal talon]

Nah

[ripe berry]

Yeah 2: Electric Boogaloo moment

Wait imagine if someone just makes a thread for the Yeah-Discussion

It's a lot easier to keep a chain in a thread then in a channel that was something else a few minutes beforehand

Yeah?
Yeah.

[outer slate]

* Yeah

[teal imp]

yeah

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[outer slate]

* Yeah

[pale urchin]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Y.E.A.H.

[snow mauve]

of course this Trinityyy user would always ask

something about the guest

[safe charm]

No

[snow mauve]

yes

[shell gull]

It’s super simple there’s no need to go deep into the obvious

[safe charm]

I don’t wanna talk about guest

[snow mauve]

yet he does wish to go deeper

[shell gull]

What do you want?

[snow mauve]

and over complicating it

[shell gull]

True

[safe charm]

Like the whole 2 canons confuses me some people say hnvr is mr Peterson

Dragging Aaron

[shell gull]

What?

[safe charm]

Yes

[shell gull]

Don’t listen to them

[safe charm]

Some think it’s mr Peterson

[spark tulip]

Don't listen to anyone at this point.

[safe charm]

And hn 2 is canon with hnvr

[spark tulip]

We don't know if it's Mr. Peterson or the Guest.

[shell gull]

True

[spark tulip]

End of story.

[snow mauve]

And you really gonna believe that 💀

[shell gull]

It can’t be Ted, first off Ted was already attached there’s no reason of it being him, and it makes sense to be The Guest as that’s when The Guest has his big plan come together and work.

[safe charm]

I didn’t believe it

It’s the guest very likely

It can’t be mr Peterson

[snow mauve]

Well duh

[safe charm]

Because ted can’t drag someone like he’s sonic

[shell gull]

Aaron was dragged into The Nest

For sure

Not dead

[safe charm]

Some still believe hn 2 and hnvr connects lol

[shell gull]

?

[safe charm]

They still believe that hnvr is canon to hn2

[snow mauve]

Ok cool

[spark tulip]

So, HN2 is basically book lore with slight changes?

[snow mauve]

nope

[safe charm]

NO

[spark tulip]

What is it?

[snow mauve]

It's a own thing

Just making Aaron alive

Then some cult thing came back

[shell gull]

Well.

To be fair

Even in Canon lore

Aaron would be alive

Cuz I just realized

[snow mauve]

yeah he might not be dead

[shell gull]

He would be alive

Let me put the facts

[safe charm]

But not in our

[spark tulip]

I've never seen any indication of Aaron being dead.

[safe charm]

Reality

In the nest

[strange lance]

watching this chat hurts

[snow mauve]

what we do?

[strange lance]

It feels so chaotic

[snow mauve]

but we're not starting any chaos rn

[spark tulip]

Then don't watch it, I guess.

[strange lance]

Aaron was not killed in hnvr, he was just dragged away into the nest I think that is clear

[shell gull]

1. Mouse explains how after he gets dragged there’s that symbolic thing of The Nest, which is the same in RD with it the people, just simply being kidnapped.

2. Why would Aaron be killed but everyone else not, everyone who gets dragged by The Guest are just kidnapped and trapped there, why would Aaron the first victim instead be killed.

[spark tulip]

Yeah.

[safe charm]

Well all we do is agree

With that idea

[shell gull]

Yup

The first victim

[snow mauve]

agree to disagree we just don't know what really happened to him

Other than him being dragged away

[strange lance]

For the original hn2, I think Ted set up fake Aaron, Quentin gets captured, stuff happens, we find our way into the nest and see the real Aaron still alive since Hn2 would be like a couple days after hnvr, and then Aaron really dies and then that's it

[shell gull]

What happened to everyone else in RD?, they got stuck in there, just imagine it like the upside down you are just left there frozen in time to rot.

[shell gull]

Well, damn.

[strange lance]

That makes the most sense to me at least

[snow mauve]

Y'know what that might actually go well

[shell gull]

Yeah, I’d imagine Quentin falls for the trap when he sees The Guest he doesn’t fall for his manipulative motives, runs then the boss fight and then get mauled to death by The Guest.

[safe charm]

But either way we can rule

Out mr Peterson as a culprit

[shell gull]

Well no shit.

It’s Ted

[strange lance]

Like hnvr which is before hn2 has the nest, gn2 with is after hn2 has the nest. So it makes sense than hn2 would also have it

[safe charm]

Also why do you refer to old lore as canon lore when you say it won’t come back?

Like if new lore gets used more and more then it becomes the canon lore

Technically

[shell gull]

Also don’t forget what Micheal said, the change of the nest could be lore related instead of retcon, and makes sense, as The Nest is based off of Ted, his emotions are depressing during HN2 and so on giving the void like world, and then in GN2 it’s maroon symbolic of Ted wanting revenge on the town.

[strange lance]

wow it's almost like the Guest and Ted are connected because gasp the guest was made from Ted

[shell gull]

Yeah problem is it doesn’t work, also no, SN, VR and HE use it, for a couple years it can’t be canon.

[strange lance]

but yeah that makes sense

[shell gull]

Shocking omg

[safe charm]

Every time I think old lore will come back I just gets yelled at lol

[shell gull]

Cuz what are the chances

It’s coming back

Not in HN2

[safe charm]

Ik but I just want to have hope

Even if it’s small

[shell gull]

Don’t

Gotta go

[safe charm]

Like I don’t think new lore will be that bad but I still think I will prefer

Old lore

[safe charm]

Alright bye