lore-discussion

[snow mauve]

Kill

[shell gull]

Making Ted do his work for him, such as finding a safe place, The Museum, keeping his secret, so Ted kept him hidden and also to not be blamed for Aaron’s demise making a fake version of him, in short Quentin fell for a trap of a sorts.

[safe charm]

After the trap

I mean

[shell gull]

Uh, The flood, flooding the town in GN2 which took a while to accomplish.

[safe charm]

The beta barn

Segment

When was that likely

It cant just be a dream

[shell gull]

It was a dream

Like we know

The Guest can enter minds

And was just in his dream

For some reason, probably to host his mind in Quentin as well.

Which would’ve been the case in Old HN2

[safe charm]

Wait

How does he enter someones mind

Do we know

[shell gull]

Just connecting with them, and his conscious.

BRB

[teal imp]

When pre act 3?

[safe charm]

Is hes physical body

[teal imp]

Like an estimate

[safe charm]

Still in the world

Or does he enter their minds

Completely

[teal imp]

Could Aaron maybe be in the nest?

[teal imp]

I feel like old hn2 may have ended badly for Quentin

[safe charm]

By entering their minds do you mean literaly

Or just basically connecting with them

[hazy grotto]

Wait this book was in the making during HNH&S???

[shell gull]

Yeah

[shell gull]

Pretty sure before to

[shell gull]

Probably like 2015

Based on the depiction of town I’d say during mid winter

[teal imp]

Doesnt act 3 take place then?

The town seems fine in act 3

[hazy grotto]

Damn

That's honestly so interesting

[shell gull]

No, the reason the rest of the town isn’t all messed up and damaged, is because the Devs were too lazy to make all the houses rundown.

[shell gull]

Yeah

[hazy grotto]

Is there anything else?

Just to know

[teal imp]

Seems like a stretch

[shell gull]

Not really

[shell gull]

If it wasn’t we would’ve seen Time Loops appearing and such, while RD nor GN2 was around it’s clear GN2 was before Act 3 started.

[strange lance]

When hn1 was out they had never planned for future stuff, so a lot in hn1 is gonna not fit since it's outdated

[shell gull]

Yeah but we have to fit it in a way

[strange lance]

Act 3 is after gn2. If you're wondering why the town is "normal" in act 3, that is because the town in hn2 was rebuilt after the storm. Nikita used #lets rebuild the town

Explains why the town is normal in gn2 as well

[teal imp]

They rebuilt it twice? Damn

Anyway that explains why nicky's house is in such a bad shape

Do you think his family moved out right after the hurricane?

[strange lance]

Probably

[teal imp]

Wait in the books nicky said his family doesnt actually own the houses they move into or something like that.

Why can he just go back to his house in act 3?

Or did I miss something?

Also if his parents owned the house why wouldnt they just sell it? Does no one want it?

[strange lance]

Idk

[teal imp]

I recall him saying "at least they actually pwn their house" or something like that?

I might be misremembering

Maybe he was able to buy back his house for cheap in act 3 because maybe nobody wanted it?

[stiff spire]

this might sound crazy but what if the pizza delivery guy who delivered the pizza to Regina and Pris what if he drove the pizza truck that caused the Theodore's car crash? I mean it may sound dumb but maybe he's the only pizza delivery guy we've seen in HN so far.

[hazy grotto]

Idk

The crash happened in like 95'

[snow mauve]

Ayo the pizza here!

[hazy grotto]

The dude is apparently in high school

If I remember

[stiff spire]

however

the shadow of the vehicle shown doesn't seem to be a truck like in the HN games maybe the artists made it like that for GN2

[hazy grotto]

I mean it could be the company idk

But like this dude has to be a kid at least seeing the timeline when the incident happened

[ripe berry]

Quick, someone do the math on the approximate age of this guy

[stiff spire]

probably around 17 or 18 he said he was a high schooler

usually the age for high school students

[ripe berry]

GN2 takes place ~10-20 years after HN2

HN2 is set in 1996

[teal imp]

But it connected to AS which has smartphone!!!

[stiff spire]

2016?

I did 1996+20

[shell gull]

It’s funny how Roger and Adelle didn’t care to fix they’re house

[teal imp]

Do we see any smartphones in gn2?

[stiff spire]

yup

[ripe berry]

2006-18 would get 1988 as this guys birthdate since Technology is not a accurate way to judge dates in the HN Universe so we can't say 2016 with confidence

Technology is different after all, I mean they use what looks like 60's TVs in 2017

[stiff spire]

I dunno if they'll still somehow follow the book lore but if they do they should make the pizza delivery guy somehow tied into the lore idk if they will though

[shell gull]

Yeah

[ripe berry]

Latest possibly date for the Book to happen

[teal imp]

We rarely see non dream post 90s hn

[stiff spire]

but act 3 takes place in 2017 right from what I've heard unless it was just a guess from somebody

[ripe berry]

Nicky's Apartment

His House

[shell gull]

I’m pretty sure it was confirmed that

[ripe berry]

Both have the outdated tech

[stiff spire]

so that means

[teal imp]

He could just be living ina run down apartment barely able to afford a tv

[stiff spire]

GN2 took place a year before act 3 of HN1 maybe

[ripe berry]

Nikita outright said Tech in HN is different

[stiff spire]

2016-2017

[teal imp]

Dude that literally hasnt been touched since the 90s

[shell gull]

Clearly he is unemployed as he was late on rent

BRB

[ripe berry]

You can't combat a point that the lead writer said

[teal imp]

Also tech like ours does exist because rd has smartphones

[ripe berry]

But we have no proof it evolved in the same way

[stiff spire]

the way they envisioned the pizza delivery vehicle in HN1 though was weird unless maybe it was a loading truck for pizza

[teal imp]

How can they have smartphones but not hd tvs?

[ripe berry]

We only know it exists

[snow mauve]

😱

[stiff spire]

rip guest

[ripe berry]

We don't know those TVs aren't HD, all we know is they keep the same look as the 60's

[stiff spire]

I never actually noticed the neighbor's legs lmao in the picture

[teal imp]

Anyway I assume tech like ours was just a decade late in hn then

Or they had diffrent fashion

Or maybe flatscreen tvs arent popular in nicky's area

[stiff spire]

I feel like the AS will try to make a conclusion why technology is so weird and stuff since it takes place in the 90s but again I don't want to follow the AS neither of us do well idk if some people do

[teal imp]

"Mayak will explain everything" 🤮

[stiff spire]

if they expand HN2 we should be able to go to the big city

[teal imp]

Alex literally said they moved up the dates

[ripe berry]

Technology being different means we can't solidify dates through technology

[stiff spire]

possibly Nicky's apartment in the HN2 artstyle

[teal imp]

The AS is garbage writing and should be ignored

[teal imp]

It gives us an estimate

[ripe berry]

If we could GN2 would be 2016

[stiff spire]

the GN writers are spot on ngl they know how to tell a story not only the GN writers but also Carly they know how to write a better story than the AS

[teal imp]

Anyway gn2 existing so far sorta leaves lut any room for important shit to happen in hn2. Seriously what could they do thats ignored in rd but still important enough?

[ripe berry]

But since we can't all we have is 2006-2016

[teal imp]

Do we see smartphones in gn2?

[ripe berry]

yes

[stiff spire]

how old was Theodore in GN2 he looks like he's in his 50s or something around that area

[teal imp]

Ok then I assume its like early 2010s

[ripe berry]

60's-70's

[stiff spire]

ah ok

[ripe berry]

That's Ted's Age in GN2

[teal imp]

Anyway old hn2 took place in 1996? Or was it 1997?

[ripe berry]

1996

[teal imp]

Hmm

[stiff spire]

but then reset day takes place in 2022

[teal imp]

I dislike that placement in the timeline

[stiff spire]

so 5 years after Act 3

[teal imp]

Its hn2

[ripe berry]

Old HN2 is shortly after Act 2

[teal imp]

Not hn midquel

[stiff spire]

oh

[teal imp]

Hnvr 🤓

[ripe berry]

HNVR is shortly before

HN2 was shortly after

[stiff spire]

I mean at some point the neighbor has to die right

[teal imp]

It appears a hurricane hits the town as soon as nocky escapes

[safe charm]

Never

[teal imp]

You do realise act 2 is non existent? It lasts 5 minutes max

[ripe berry]

and by shortly after I mean ~8 Hours after

[ripe berry]

I use it to refer to Nicky's Escape

[stiff spire]

if they do want to end the series I can imagine the Neighbor seeing his family for the first time in a long time but that sounds cliche maybe something epic than that idk

[teal imp]

Goose seems to keeping him alive.

[safe charm]

So can somebody explain to me

Why isnt hn 2 connected to either

Of the canons

[stiff spire]

HN2's way of explaining the lore doesn't do a good job

[teal imp]

The hurricane tho. Theres hurricane warnings in SN. Old hn2 looked like shit because of the hurricane. Current hn2 has to be right after he escapes because why else wouldnt have the cops shown up?

[teal imp]

Worst game in terms of lore in the entire franchise lmao

[safe charm]

Like really hope they fix the lore

[stiff spire]

I used to have a theory that in old HN2 nog simming took place after act 2 when Nicky escaped and the cops arrived that's why Theodore escaped secretly under a tree and escaped Nicky most likely called the cops after he escaped

[safe charm]

And bring the old story back

To the game

[teal imp]

Alex CEO holding his world class writing pizza:

[stiff spire]

magical pizza

[teal imp]

Mahbe nog simming is from the POV of nicky? The death stare checks out

[stiff spire]

(that definitely didn't cause a lot of stuff to not make sense)

[safe charm]

No but like theres no chance they will let it stay like this it doesnt Connect to any of the games

[ripe berry]

That would pan out IF the Hello Neighbor Showcase didn't exist

[stiff spire]

well in the livestream they did in 2021 it showed MITH take the video of him escaping

[safe charm]

If they wanna have to make AS canon then they would have to change every single game

[teal imp]

The AS should just be an AU theres no saving it

[ripe berry]

in the HN Showcase Pre-Stream it's MitH who's the one the footage is being filmed from

[teal imp]

Idk man the death stare ted gave seemed personal

[stiff spire]

he probably didn't want him to show the evidence to the cops

or he could've been like "Hey, what are you lookin' at?"

[ripe berry]

MitH has been investiagting Ted and trying to expose him for 2 months now

[stiff spire]

both probably

[teal imp]

Anyway nog simming cutscene is peak should have been used in fg

[stiff spire]

agreed

man so many cool stuff cut

that probably would've made the game at least get nominated for something

but yeah old HN2 story was good

they did say GN2 would tie into "the new game" which was most likely HN2

[teal imp]

Mith when 7 children do a better at exposing ted than him:

[safe charm]

I played hn 2 after all the patches and the story is whats holding it back

I dont care about it as much

As i did with the original story

[stiff spire]

I guess what's done is done

[teal imp]

Hnvr has a lot of shit from old hn2 including the story and god it seems like they had something way more interesting instore than the shit excuse for a full game that we got

[pale urchin]

Someone's learning

[safe charm]

Like the guest for example im gonna be brutaly honest if they make him a demon on a rampage im not sure i like him that much anymore

[pale urchin]

Sad how hn2 story is nonexistent

[stiff spire]

imo if steel wool worked on HN2 they would've probably full on all the way made it at least a better story than what we got in the FG well idk though

maybe a lot of old story elements

[pale urchin]

They would also make the game terrible by bugs and glitches

[safe charm]

Becouse he would just an an aggresive animal

[stiff spire]

I do wonder though

[pale urchin]

You may never know which one is actually better

[stiff spire]

how did steel wool know about the old HN2 story

[teal imp]

Slow down chat

[pale urchin]

Hnvr was in development since 2020, so my theory is that the games story is already too late for it to be changed

[stiff spire]

yeah

maybe they read the books before making the game or something

well at least that's what I think

[teal imp]

Damn it jollygold you ruined the meme!!!

[safe charm]

Im gonna be so happy if the guest in hn 2 is like he was in vr

[teal imp]

Grrr

[pale urchin]

Me omw to retcon the games, and books that everyone bought, just for a free TV show

[stiff spire]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-grin-smirk-bad-gif-19562077

[pale urchin]

you can reply your own comment

[teal imp]

Its not the same...

I cant fix it now

Ugh

[safe charm]

So lets talk about the lore again

[pale urchin]

No

[safe charm]

Instead of memes lol

[pale urchin]

Hn lore can't be explained without arguments and drama IMO

[safe charm]

Me when lore chat

[stiff spire]

I never read GN1 but I heard it was mostly about paranormal stuff

[teal imp]

I hate what alex has done to this franchise. If he keeps going it will crash and burn

[pale urchin]

I can't believe GN1 is never talked by the community

[pale urchin]

Let him be, let him be...

[shell gull]

I’ve talked about it

There’s just barely anything to it

[snow mauve]

I like how most people are chatting here

[pale urchin]

I wasn't even there at that point

[snow mauve]

While #hello-neighbor is sorta dead rn

[shell gull]

Other than Teds first incident

[pale urchin]

It had to happen

[shell gull]

Ah

[stiff spire]

I bought the HN books for a reason: to understand more about HN's backstory

[pale urchin]

🤣

[shell gull]

Objective Succesful

[teal imp]

Gosh I cant understand what is going on in alex's brain how the hell did he think this was a good idea?

[pale urchin]

Because, money

Remember it's money

[stiff spire]

but we've gotten duped bamboozled and speckledorfed

[pale urchin]

There's no other reason than money

[shell gull]

I thought we went over this

He did it to get monetisation money off kids on YT

[stiff spire]

I mean the franchise is rich enough already

[teal imp]

Alex has lost a shitton of money from his decisions

[shell gull]

That’s why it isn’t in Canon lore

[pale urchin]

For a little while

[safe charm]

Why though

[shell gull]

He changed it to make it more comedic

[safe charm]

Canon lore is really good

[shell gull]

So kids would watch and also to make it more family friendly

[pale urchin]

It already is, doesn't have to make it more cringe

[stiff spire]

I just checked tinyBuild stock they're going good again

[teal imp]

Thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. Youtube doesnt pay shit especially to animation. To make money you need to make those content farms

[shell gull]

Yeah but I don’t think Parents would let they’re kids watch a show where a child finds a note with blood smeared on it saying “He’s getting worse”

[teal imp]

Why did he have to bring the games into this...

[shell gull]

Yeah but it’s the case

[safe charm]

But the books

[stiff spire]

the pilot was mixed for me the artstyle was good but the script felt more like it was written by an AI but at least it followed a lot of the book lore

[shell gull]

Idk

[safe charm]

Are for children

[pale urchin]

Which everyone won't do, since its released on youtube

[stiff spire]

most likely every HN fan is already a grown up now

[teal imp]

Theres no way he is making money from the AS

[shell gull]

The only comedic part is the fart synthesiser which is just corny, the rest is serious as hell.

[stiff spire]

my favorite part of the HN books was probably how Theodore's house was described as having multiple doors with all different styles and stuff

and rooms

[teal imp]

Im more excited for fan games than any official stuff. I have no hope for this franchise of it keeps going this AS route

[shell gull]

Funny thing is there’s a high possibility the quick switch with Lore in HN2 was to make quick money for AS to get funded with, since he knew damn well launch was shit.

[teal imp]

God I dont wanna see hn1 be ruined with that AS remake

[safe charm]

Switch with lore?

[shell gull]

It’s in AS lore.

[stiff spire]

HN1's story was better imo than HN2 it taught a lot about how fear can be combatted overtime

but it's a struggle to overcome

[shell gull]

Nicky’s arc across all of Canon lore was the best that came from the Franchise

[safe charm]

The beta had a good set up

Though

Same with the alphas

[teal imp]

Tb stocks when the investors see tb release an unfinished game with no of the promises in it: 📉

[shell gull]

Lol

[stiff spire]

what if Carly Anne West helped work on a HN game

[pale urchin]

Watch out, mods are gonna mute you

[shell gull]

That’s a dream

Imagine if she worked on AS

God

It would be so good

[stiff spire]

or heck even the GN designers

[teal imp]

Seriously alex shot himself in the foot

[shell gull]

Fax

[pale urchin]

Alex thinks he can do whatever he wants

[teal imp]

It should have been obvious that releasing hn2 like it was at launch was a horrible idea

[shell gull]

Ey there’s always the

[stiff spire]

Alex Whatareyoudoingporchik

[pale urchin]

Remember, if you feel bad about yourself, remember Alex nikiporchik

[teal imp]

God I hate how they think we will still buy this shit if they keep ignoring us

[shell gull]

Vector has it summed up perfectly

[shell gull]

If you ever feel useless remember Ale-

[pale urchin]

Forgot about that

[teal imp]

Im not gonna buy any more hn games unless they have the old story

[stiff spire]

no matter what happens I'm still following the series

[pale urchin]

"Vector has it summed up perfectly"
Mfw when: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768152883765444608/1125172017969250464/my_heart.mp4

[shell gull]

What I’m sad about is the future HN fans thinking AS is better than Canon lore or even further thinking it is the Canon lore.

[stiff spire]

I was hoping that HN2 would give us a quick retelling of the book lore a bit for people who hadn't read the books

[teal imp]

They are robbed of peak lore

[teal imp]

Too bad

[shell gull]

Same

[teal imp]

Cartoon!!!

[safe charm]

I actually hoped it would give us more answers and less questions

[stiff spire]

oh yeah!

the cartoon...

[pale urchin]

What is the new chapter of hn2? - Alex

[teal imp]

If only matpatgt disected the pilot frame by frame... maybe alex would have kept carly...

[safe charm]

Like i wanted hn 2 to be a proper conclusion

To the main story

[shell gull]

“There was a book series?” -Alex Nikiporchik

[stiff spire]

if we got the old HN2 story it would've solved a lot of unanswered questions and maybe leave some new ones

[pale urchin]

"Yeah guys, this is all MATPATS fault, because he didn't dissect AS version of Carly's lore!!!"

[stiff spire]

since HN is known for leaving questions than answers

[safe charm]

Didnt nikita Said we were gonna find out who the guest is

[snow mauve]

WOAHH

[stiff spire]

I think so

[safe charm]

When the full game would launch

[teal imp]

The guest is the guest!!!

[shell gull]

He said we would find out what HE is

[stiff spire]

I remember someone had a question if we'd see Nicky in HN2 I forgot what was Nikita's response when they did the Alpha livestreams

[teal imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683341479552483359/1125422092440064000/YoAaroncheckthisout.gif

[safe charm]

Yeah i meant that

[pale urchin]

"Alexus ruined the lore?"

[shell gull]

Sadly that got moved in to VR

[pale urchin]

Appreciate that it got moved to a better retelling story

[safe charm]

We still dont have concrete answers though

[stiff spire]

I do hope we get to see Nicky's parents in game form since we only see them in the books

[teal imp]

HE might be last old lore game (ignoring the cash grab that is HND) what else then? I sure as hell aint gonna buy the lore games made for 5 year olds

[shell gull]

“Wait WAIT wait, your telling me there are 7 books and Two novels?, WHos CaRLy?” -Alex Nikiporchik

[shell gull]

Yeah

[teal imp]

I cant deal with this shit no more

[pale urchin]

"Wait, there was PINEAPPLE in my PIZZA!?"

[shell gull]

I feel bad for Carly the most

[teal imp]

The franchise has seem to taken the worst possible route

[shell gull]

All that hard work possibly in the bin

[shell gull]

There is?

/j

[teal imp]

Dont worry sh1mp they kept the fart machine

[pale urchin]

Tbh, Alex treated Carly like if Alex was Abby and Carly was Joel from the last of us part 2

[shell gull]

Aw hell nah

[pale urchin]

He just straight up THRUSHED out her lore

[shell gull]

Yeah lol

[teal imp]

Its in hn2 thus its canon

[shell gull]

Where?

Oh

Ik

[teal imp]

Treehouse

[shell gull]

Still though

What the f-

[pale urchin]

"Lets keep the fart machine in, because it is funny for little kids!!!"

[teal imp]

Anyway shit man I just feel sad and pissed

Imma go to bed cause I cant deal with this no more

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

Alex after tricking millions of kids into watching his shit cartoon, and throwing all the hard workers in the bin.

[safe charm]

Anyways

So how big is the chance

Hn 2 will revert to the original story

[pale urchin]

"I just fired all my hard workers that cared about the franchise... BUT I GOT THE MONEY!!!"

[shell gull]

0.2% and maybe some miracle dust

[safe charm]

But like they have too

Every other game

Is the original story

[shell gull]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-dance-fortnite-dance-default-random-gif-14767814

[pale urchin]

Lol

[shell gull]

Yeah, but it’s TB.

[safe charm]

Like they had a story for hn 2

Why scrap it

[shell gull]

I told why

Money off YT

And also to fund AS

Off HN2

[hazy grotto]

WOW

[shell gull]

Anyways I’m out

[safe charm]

Alright Bye

[silver vine]

highly doubt hes dead

he def has some role to play in HN2

[teal imp]

can someone explain the raven brook mirror from the hn2 alphas?

[teal imp]

not the role he ended up having in hn2

him being with his dad is a lame repeat

[silver vine]

early version of the banner

[teal imp]

the banner was in the books

the mirror was meant to be something else

[silver vine]

oh you're talking about the company

[teal imp]

yes

[silver vine]

well, mirror was supposed to be a news channel

[teal imp]

were they in the books?

[silver vine]

well...kinda

[teal imp]

did they have anything similar?

[silver vine]

there was Channel 4 in the books

and mirror's number is also 4TV

[teal imp]

oh its meant to be channel 4 interesting...

[teal imp]

isnt the 4tv now used in fg?

[silver vine]

yes...

have you not noticed?

its Raven Brooks Banner 4TV now

in the books, banner was just a newspaper company, it didnt have a TV channel

but now banner is both a newspaper company AND a TV channel

but then HN2 has WENS newpapaer

[teal imp]

maybe the banner bought 4tv?

[wicked heath]

"didnt we fire you or something?"
Alex 2022

[teal imp]

Pretty sure he said that in 2023

[pale urchin]

Alex is truly a CEO

[ripe berry]

Alex is the || || of all time

[pale urchin]

I alexgree

[safe charm]

Hello

[pale urchin]

No, the lore chat has revived 😡

[shell gull]

Yeah, the Fake Aaron, I do highly believe that he is still alive and is just trapped like Enzo and Pipers mom in RD, we just don’t have any of the sequels to prove it.

[fair torrent]

lol

[silver cargo]

Man, back when I found Hello Neighbor during the alpha 4 phase, I saw a lot of theories on how the neighbor is related to the player.

Now there are 2 stories and I don't even know the old story completely

And why does everyone say that the new story is nonsense?
What is the plot of the new story?

[strange lance]

we have 90% of the original story

all we are missing is the original hn2

the new "story" is nonsense because nothing it gives is good

and it contradicts itself

[silver cargo]

What is the story of the new story?

[strange lance]

something something, trinity moves to town, she's basically Nicky now, none of the kids know the neighbor's kids and don't really have a reason to save them, the act 3 house from hn1 is real now, ted is both with and against the cult in some way, everything is about the cult now instead of real tragedies

[silver cargo]

Isn't there already 3 story's bc HN2 is not canon to anything (just repeating what I saw).

[strange lance]

just get everything you knew, but make it worse

that's the new story

thankfully, almost everyone here has disowned that

no one cares

[silver cargo]

Bruh.

[silver cargo]

.

[strange lance]

hn2 has 3 iterations. The original which was HG, basically no story, the original better hn2, which tied into everything, and the current hn2 which has like no story at all

the original hn2 is the one that matters

[silver cargo]

Yeah, why was a new story made?
Was the old one too complicated?

[strange lance]

They made the new one because mr Alex CEO is stupid and thought people would like it (no one does)

He just did what he wanted

And made stuff worse

[silver cargo]

Is there a chance we could get a continuation of the old story?

The two stories could exist at the same time.
Like a parallel universe of you could say it like that.

[strange lance]

Hello engineer and hello neighbor diaries are still original lore games coming out soon

So there's a small chance

But I wouldn't count on it

For future games

#lore-discussion message

Here's the full timeline

If you wanna know more

[silver cargo]

Let's go back to beta lore.
Maybe this is better than the new story.
(Just joking).

[shell gull]

It is better than the new story

We need Canon Lore to continue

Which it is

Just a piece of the puzzle is missing at the base

[silver cargo]

I ment the HN 1 beta lore...

[shell gull]

Nah that was weird

Ik you were joking tho

[silver cargo]

Weird but more interesting than the new story.

[shell gull]

I prefer kid across the street than father and son

[silver cargo]

Hello father.

Now I have a nostalgic feeling...

[teal imp]

because the new plot makes no sense with the games

[shell gull]

He was talking abt the Father and son old plot

And the book plot being new plot

[teal imp]

what

???

[shell gull]

Nvm

[hazy grotto]

God I hope the second season for HN diaries comes out soon

That's what they call the levels

[teal imp]

Im not gonna be interested in hnd unless we get a pc port

[teal imp]

ok so

when does nicky move out from his house?

I assume during old hn2 it was after the hurricane?

because his house is in a really bad shape in act 3

[gentle basin]

so back to what i was saying

[shell gull]

Anyways

[snow mauve]

Hello neighbor 2

[shell gull]

Act 2 is a distorted memory, none of the constructions happened.

[gentle basin]

so act 2 even tho it was a distorted memory, if it was real thats some damn fine construction, i know because i helped my dad work concrete a few times

like on job sites

[shell gull]

Yeah

[gentle basin]

like even tho im 16 i helped my dad a few times

[safe charm]

So i have a theory

[shell gull]

Thing is how did the Town allow that if it did happen

[gentle basin]

probably bribed the guy

this was like the 90s

[safe charm]

What if Quentin is just in a coma after the intro

And the rest is just happening in hes head

[gentle basin]

you could still bribe a guy and get him to sign off on the stuff

[safe charm]

Becouse he keeps waking up in the banner

[shell gull]

Yeah but he worked by himself, we know that because he doesn’t want to get back into construction and engineering business and he can’t anyways, so he would’ve scrapped off the G.A.A.P. And even then that’s crazy.

[safe charm]

Which is well weird

Like can bro teleport

[snow mauve]

Wow you totally didn't take that concept from the alphas!

[safe charm]

Well i did but also im looking at evidence

[shell gull]

Probably the person who knocked him out at the end is the same guy, that’s one theory, or it could just be him going back to the banner after retrieving evidence and the Devs are too lazy.

[snow mauve]

Evidence to what

[safe charm]

Well like

Quentin just teleporting home for no reason

It cant be someone

Dragging him home every night

[shell gull]

Shadow man left the chat

[snow mauve]

That's more likely the case

[gentle basin]

true

[safe charm]

Why would someone

Do that

[shell gull]

Dev laziness left the chat

[safe charm]

Smh

[snow mauve]

Because it's fricken raven brooks we're talking about

Smh

[shell gull]

RB.

The other channel newsletters

The cult

[safe charm]

But what do they get by dragging a journalist back to his bed

[snow mauve]

Because

[safe charm]

Every night

[shell gull]

His evidence

Possibly

[snow mauve]

Cult reasons

[shell gull]

That’s something Tiny crow thought

[safe charm]

But theres no sign of him passing out besides well the first night

With the shovel

[snow mauve]

Y'know that's because the devs are lazy

[shell gull]

Well there’s stuff like the camera flash, but then again it could quite literally be Dev laziness.

[safe charm]

Like nothing makes sense

[shell gull]

No shit

It’s RB

[snow mauve]

Then why follow Hello Neighbor 2 current lore 💀

[shell gull]

The sort of town where everyone keeps to themselves

[snow mauve]

You know nothing makes sense

At all

And nothing will be solved

[shell gull]

Old HN2 left the chat

[safe charm]

Well if they revert to old lore

Then maybe

[shell gull]

Not possible

[snow mauve]

This dude seriously gives out hope

Every single day

[shell gull]

Canon lore is not coming back to HN2

[snow mauve]

Like cmon lmao

You won't get anything too exciting nor interesting to solve

[safe charm]

Im not accepting hn 2 not being canon like it has to be in some way

[shell gull]

Tape buttons for anyone who doesn’t know where they are

[shell gull]

It ain’t

Canon lore HN2 is Old HN2

We literally have done this 300 times

[safe charm]

Well they cant let it stay not canon

[snow mauve]

Because why not let the fans not get everything what they want

I'm just gonna assume that's why hello neighbor 2 full release was purposely shit

[shell gull]

It’s Alex, It’s TB , It’s the one who shall not be named, It’s EGS laziness, It’s YTbers with shit reasons, It’s a dead game, died in the bin, died faster than my 103 year old grandma.

[safe charm]

Like im not sure i care about the guest anymore if hes gonna be a demon helbent on destroying the town

[shell gull]

No, the quick switch of lore was to use the game to quickly fund AS.

[snow mauve]

Well you shouldn't for hn2

Like deadass

There's no reason for you to be too excited about it

[shell gull]

Well yeah, it’s the case.

[safe charm]

But its a really generic backstory(hope im not too disrespectful to the writers)

[shell gull]

Yeah, Alex is the one who made it.

[snow mauve]

I don't think it's just Alex

[shell gull]

Def the “World Class Writers”

Like

Come on

TB is never gonna get EGS to fix the game

With AS

No chance

Like I say Vector has it summed up good:

One thing he got wrong

“We added everything the community wanted”

Anyways

Famous quotes from Alex

Even he knows

[safe charm]

Like cmon they have the perfect guest lore already

With hnvr

[shell gull]

And books and novels

[safe charm]

They didnt need to change it

Yes

[shell gull]

They started it

[shell gull]

Actually yes, but Alex’s said no, as Vector said “Your gonna hate it, Your gonna hate it, we’re trying to fix the problems but Your gonna hate it, Your gonna shit on it”

[safe charm]

What?

[shell gull]

Scroll up to the vid

That was the lyrics

[safe charm]

Okay

[shell gull]

Anyways if you have faith or have high expectations with HN2, don’t.

Game is dead

[safe charm]

But like why do you Think they wont Bring beta story Many wants it

[shell gull]

Practically because of YTbers

[safe charm]

Back

[shell gull]

Go on YT search HN2

The Game was demolished on YT

Now if anyone wants to see what the game is about in YT

Just shit

Most of it is false

[safe charm]

What?

Are you saying

[shell gull]

But they will believe

[shell gull]

Typo

Hold up

It was auto correct

[safe charm]

Ok

[shell gull]

So yeah

There only been like 20 new players

The only money they make off HN2

Is from old players coming back like every 2 weeks for about ten minutes

Gotta go

[safe charm]

Ok

Bye

[silent wharf]

Was this always hear

[silver cargo]

Sometimes I think: "Now it's time to just end the Hello neighbor franshise, I mean how could they get as popular as ever before. Maybe they should move on to new big projects".

Of course it's just a opionion, msybe someone thinks they same way as me.

[shell gull]

It came in Patch 4 I believe

[shell gull]

We will see

[surreal cliff]

Yes i played for the first tiime last night and it was there /

[silver vine]

Ted is not with the cult

what are you talking about

he literally said that hes looking to take revenge on the cult

[warped frigate]

I some what agree

[strange lance]

Idk man. Ted seems to know a awful lot about which people are dying next. He's involved with them directly in some way

Either way it makes no sense

Especially in hn2

[pale urchin]

They actually should, and im glad you acknowledged it

[teal imp]

they were close to a conclusion

book 8 was probs gonna end everything

but then they just rebooted hn

[pale urchin]

They should've left the lore alone

They didn't need to retcon it

[teal imp]

I mean true but theres one issue with that

[pale urchin]

The pizzaria

[thin wadi]

Freddy's fazbears pizza

[silver vine]

he is involved with them directly, yes, but, hes not helping them in anyway

he only wants revenge

thats why hes close to the cult

he knows the cult is watching him

and hes watching them back

[strange lance]

Still think him being in the museum is stupid in hn2. Makes no sense

Then again nothing makes sense with the new stuff

Anyway

[teal imp]

why exactly?

is it because of the cult that new lore added?

[silver vine]

huh?

how?

he just needed some place to hide

and museum seemed to be perfect

[strange lance]

Logically it makes no sense. He somehow got the keys to the museum, put his stuff in the rooms, locked them so he himself couldn't in some rooms, then somehow he gave the keys to all the other characters for them to hide all in a very short period of time.

Also it's the most obvious hiding spot ever

In the original it made more sense of course

[thin wadi]

I wish they elaborated the lore of the museum

Why is Mr Peterson there? What is the crow fossil there for?

[snow mauve]

a better lore that doesn't involve with the cult

[thin wadi]

Why was the museum abondoned?

[snow mauve]

Because he's hiding from the police

[safe charm]

Yeah the cult lore in hn 2 is so confusing

[snow mauve]

Thought that would be obvious

[thin wadi]

It is

[safe charm]

Like why do they have Keys to the museum

[snow mauve]

To progress

And unlock rooms

For puzzle solving

[safe charm]

Well lore wise

[snow mauve]

Which is obvious

[snow mauve]

Quentin trying to find Aaron i guess

[safe charm]

Did mr Peterson give them the keys smh

[snow mauve]

Which that's his main focus

[snow mauve]

Why would Mr. Peterson give the keys to the cult?

Though the real question is

How the hell did he get in the museum

[safe charm]

Well im not sure

[silver cargo]

He used magic.
He just spawned in there.

A thing that kinda bothers me: Why does Peterson opens the doors to the sumeum at night, but in the daytime he just closes them.

[snow mauve]

evil mustache man plan

[silver cargo]

Duck, I knew it.

Maybe we shouldn't talk about the gameplay logics.

I mean, if someone would shot me in my back, I would probably die.

Quentin probably has a thin shell that catches the bullet in such a way that he only gets a brief fright, stops and runs on.

Quentin lore.

[shell gull]

To hide, and the crow statue is just a representation of the Guest that the cult made.

[ripe berry]

There are a few metal doors that do not require them to have been boarded up from the outside, one can assume this is the method he got in, he managed to somehow get one of those doors open

[shell gull]

You also have to take in consideration how he’s able to turn the Museum into a working escape room with his inventions, it’s an old museum I think he could find a way through, and there’s also ways around all of the locked doors.

[ripe berry]

Wait, there's actually a way around ALL the locked doors?

I could've sworn there was one room with no way into it

at least no way without being able to get the key

Then again pretty much every locked room except 1 has a window, and the one that doesn't has a way to access it from the Attic so nvm

But the real question is how Aaron spent 4 days in the attic without any food

since I don't remember a single hint of food or drinks in that attic

[strange lance]

You cannot get into the bathroom without the wrench, the wrench is locked in the gear room which is locked with a key, a key only the mayor has

Ted will never use the bathroom

The museum just makes no sense in fg I hate it

Old museum better

[silver cargo]

Well, does a house full of puzzles makes sense in general?

[silver cargo]

.

[ripe berry]

The Locked Doors at Day are there to not throw off the story because canonically Quentin doesn't enter the Museum during the Day sections

[shell gull]

Here’s the thing the only person in the game who uses Blue boards is Ted, it could’ve been him who blocked the bathroom window.

And we know Ted is the one who blocked off areas with wrenches

Since he’s the one who quite literally hid the Wrench in the book room

[strange lance]

ok?

[shell gull]

Through the drop down

[strange lance]

the wrench is still locked in a room he does not have a key for

because I guess he gave it to mayor??

[shell gull]

The drop down still exists

From inside the room

[strange lance]

you mean the attic hatch?

[shell gull]

Yeah

[strange lance]

the hatch that you can only get through, if you get into the attic

that is locked

[shell gull]

That he locked

How else did he get Aaron in there

[strange lance]

what are you trying to prove exactly

?

[shell gull]

There was a way in the book room?

That Ted used

[strange lance]

dude, Ted cannot get into the book room unless he can get into the attic, and he can't get into the attic unless he has the bear head, the bear head which is inside the BOOK room which is locked

they did not put logic into the puzzles which is weird

because you can still has puzzle houses

with logic

they just didn't care

[shell gull]

Yeah but he clearly had access to the Attic, best I could say is he got through the windows on the top of the museum and could’ve just blocked them off with the metal bars in front of them.

But yeah there wasn’t logic

Also

He could’ve quite literally placed the bear head puzzle there

Remember

He turned the museum into a makeshift puzzle house

With all sorts of inventions

It could’ve just been him

And he used the heads to keep Aaron secure

All the Cult wanted with blocking those doors

Was to hide the evidence in them

The Bear has nothing to do with that

[strange lance]

you're missing my point. I know how ted up his puzzles

I'm saying, Ted literally cannot go anywhere in the museum

unless he has items

which are all locked away

by keys he does not have

he's stupid

the game is stupid

[silver cargo]

Back then, I thought the town would work with Peterson.

And right now I am more confused about the fact that the museum is very complex place, higher than we can think.

Like I said, je used magic. (This text was just a joke, exept for the first sentence).

[ripe berry]

Mr. Peterson on his way to create the single most impossible to create thing possible that is impossible to solve without keys he doesn't have knowing his son is going to die because he can't access the Attic to give him Food and Water:

[silver cargo]

Lmao, I would never have thought of this myself.

But we have a simple amd of course logical answer: Magic.

[solemn cape]

what happens to Theodore after act 3

[strange lance]

well, he stays possessed by the guest

for the rest of the timeline

[snow mauve]

He dies

Then gets possessed

By guest

[solemn cape]

Die how

[snow mauve]

Definitely not a Micheal afton moment

[strange lance]

Guest drowns him

[snow mauve]

The guest strangles him

[snow mauve]

That too

[solemn cape]

what media proves that

[strange lance]

the graphic novel

raven brooks disaster

[solemn cape]

sorry I haven’t been caught up since like 2020

[strange lance]

oof

[snow mauve]

Well that explains it

[solemn cape]

What’s reset day about

[strange lance]

raven brooks is stuck in a timeloop

ends on a cliffhanger

[snow mauve]

Enzo went missing

[strange lance]

we will never get a conclusion for that

[solemn cape]

where does hn2 fit in the timeline

[snow mauve]

It doesn't

To neither timelines

[solemn cape]

I mean what’s it after/before

[snow mauve]

After act 2

Of hn1

[solemn cape]

Ah

[snow mauve]

And hnvr

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s funny, he can’t even go to the bathroom.

[cursive arrow]

do you guys remember the shadow boy? From HN1?

i'm starting to think now that he might be the guest

[snow mauve]

He's not

The shadow thing from hn1 is just Nicky's (the player) fear

The Guest is something else

Like a actual entity

[cursive arrow]

maybe you are right

[snow mauve]

Maybe?

Dude even hn1 is just pointing it out

[cursive arrow]

what was the point of him appearing anyway

if he isn't part of hn2?

[snow mauve]

Who the guest?

Or the thing

[cursive arrow]

besides

the shadow thing was a second antagonist

[snow mauve]

Eh not really

He's more just a fear

From the player's imagination

[cursive arrow]

before act 4's ending, you had to stop your younger self from getting giga-punched out of existance

then you ended up hitting him instead

and he appeared in a little house

[crude dew]

can ppl stop calling egs lazy? They literally work their soul off, and despite its their job, they still DO IT; restart from scratch. Put and remove entire mechanics cuz they are told to. Probably deal with hate they dont deserve. Scrap ideas which they know could be GOOD. have you ever been forced to throw something to the trash which you worked so much on / knew would be awesome and people would love it?! If we base things on your mindset, then you dont do ANYTHING in this life, ever. Because i didnt see you doing so.

[cursive arrow]

where the neighbor was trapped in a room with the shadow thing on his door

[snow mauve]

Gaw dayum

[teal imp]

the kids are aware of the guest in SN meaning he was born before that

plus nicky has drawings of the guest in his house

[strange lance]

oops my mistake, I forgot he was in SN

[teal imp]

meaning he existed before act 1

[strange lance]

and the hnvr pics

[teal imp]

this comes off as nicky blocked Aaron on social media media lmao

[strange lance]

lol

[teal imp]

anyway

I wonder what would have happend in hn2

because all the interesting stuff I thought would happen in hn2 happens in gn2

which is way after

wait when does nicky move out? I assume its shortly after the hurricane right?

sorry for nitpicking but nicky knowing about him means he did exist before hn1 act 1

[strange lance]

I didn't say the guest was born after act 1, I just had no where else to place the text

It'd be like, at book 2

alright

[strange lance]

Just to let people know, you don't have to believe this stuff, it's all just theories and speculation. Things like with the guest statue though, while not stated or shown, is told through environmental storytelling, and further proven in hnvr so you can't really deny stuff like that.

more people should pay attention to environments, because they do show a lot at times

[hazy grotto]

That's actually funny because she actually co wrote the pilot

But then they literally dropped her

Have I told you my harbor hate for AS because they said "We wanted the story to be mature"

[shell gull]

I’m talking about Launch?

[shell gull]

Yeah

[shell gull]

-Vector

[crude dew]

launch wasnt their fault either, I am certain.

[crude dew]

Jesus … if I can be brutally honest with you, Guest came from effin nowhere. This is not a plothole-less story anymore, they are just randomly adding things and LATER they find a way to fit them, this is the sad case. This is why not 20 people should write a story, just ONE.

[silver vine]

the thing is

the cult doesnt know that Peterson is in the museum

as confirmed by the white tape

[teal imp]

Who os even speaking there

[teal imp]

I mean him being an emotional manifestation males perfect sense

Its like the thing but actually important and relevant

[silver vine]

its literally the mayor...

you can hear the mayor sleep music from beta in the background

[teal imp]

Oh damn him speaking croobian made me not recognize him

Wait how is he sleeping and talking?

[silver vine]

hes not sleeping

[teal imp]

Also I assume he is talking to Nielson?

[silver vine]

maybe he was

[silver vine]

yes

[teal imp]

Wait I misread that

[silver vine]

Nielsen

[teal imp]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[silver vine]

Nelson

nvm

its Newsome now

[teal imp]

New sum

[shell gull]

Yeah, it was The one who shall not be named.

[shell gull]

They said it was a typo everytime

So it’s both I guess

[ripe berry]

Keith Newsom is the old name, Keith Nielsen is the new name, F. Nielsen is Idk

[shell gull]

I can’t wait for Nicky’s name to get retconned.

[wicked heath]

"Actually, his name was Alexander Nipostenroth"
-Alex 2024

[stiff spire]

I actually have a theory and I don't know if this makes sense or not but the reason how Gerda turned buff was because she wanted to get away from that night that was mentioned in the rbbarchives when 3 kids went missing in the woods but one was found and that one person was Gerda maybe she wanted to get stronger to get rid of her past

[shell gull]

Maybe

[wicked heath]

kind of random, but alright....

[eternal mica]

Did Aaron ever escape basement

Also how come peterson wasn't arrested after Nicky escaped and told the police

[teal imp]

well

in the HNVR ending he gets killed by the guest (it isnt shown but its implied)

which makes hn2 non canon lmao

even if hn2 was canon he isnt the basement anymore just some attic in a museum

[snow mauve]

Well let's just say he got taken away from the guest

[eternal mica]

Ok thanks

So he dies while Nicky is in the basement

[snow mauve]

We don't really know what happened to Aaron

All we know is he got taken away

And that's it

[snow mauve]

Well he freed Nicky out

And that is where Nicky escaped out of the basement

[eternal mica]

Oh

Is Aaron in hello neighbor 2

[snow mauve]

Yes

But he's not supposed to be there

[eternal mica]

Oh

[snow mauve]

Which makes hello neighbor 2 non canon and doesn't fit in the lore

[eternal mica]

Ok

Maybe Aaron escape from guest

[snow mauve]

Nah

he's like gone forever now

[teal imp]

Nicky gets freed but then sees Aaron get dragged away

Nicky even tries to reach to grab Aaron

[shell gull]

Aaron is either dead or kidnapped by The Guest

Death seems more logical and would make Teds anger make more sense in GN2

[snow mauve]

Probably just trapped in guest world forever

And just left there dead

[shell gull]

The Nest is plausible to, since that was the case for Enzo and Pipers Mom.

[safe charm]

Hope we will see guest

World in hn 2

Or nest

[snow mauve]

HAHAHA

never

[safe charm]

Why not

Its cool

[shell gull]

I doubt that a lot

The Nest is no chance

Only way

Is to get the demo and turn it into like a chapter 2 final act

[snow mauve]

Cuz you obviously don't get it

[shell gull]

As the Demo was seen as the Nest

[safe charm]

Again didnt they say

It was a Nightmare sequence

During the livestream

[shell gull]

Yeah, that’s a type of specific genre, for instance Fnaf is a no escape nightmare sequence.

[safe charm]

But it wasnt

In the full game though

[shell gull]

No, not really, the Demo was just a one objective area and you couldn’t really do a lot other than beat it.

[eternal mica]

when is hn2 happen chronologically

[snow mauve]

After hello neighbor 1 act 2

And also hello neighbor vr

[eternal mica]

ok

right before act 3?

[snow mauve]

Yes

[eternal mica]

ok thx

[shell gull]

Well like 20+ years before Act 3

[snow mauve]

yeaH

[eternal mica]

o

how much years after act 2

[quick solstice]

Imagine there is a part three to this mystery. Then there would be more items, more traps, and most importantly.. More Secrets To Keep..

https://tenor.com/view/hello-engineer-hello-neighbor-theodore-peterson-sosed-secret-neighbor-gif-26562113

Me:

https://tenor.com/view/hello-guest-hello-neighbor-theodore-peterson-theodore-masters-peterson-theodore-m-peterson-gif-26353831

[shell gull]

Well since it’s presumed Act 2 was during 1996 and Act 3 is 2017, that would be 21 years.

[short fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787355342534213652/999944511985832007/caption.gif

[lyric plover]

Does the amusement park in question involve golden apples?

[shell gull]

Yeah cuz it’s the Golden Apple Amusement Park

[wooden hollow]

What's the difference between the Nest and Guest World?

[ripe berry]

There's a difference?

[ripe berry]

~8 Hours after Act 2 is when HN2 starts

[wicked heath]

Nest is a canon name for the Guest's realm.
The Guest World was a running joke back in the old days, but turned out to be a canon thing in the end

[wooden hollow]

So they're the same thing?

[wicked heath]

yes

[wooden hollow]

Alright, thanks

[stiff spire]

wasn't there something in the files called pipe_to_otherworld or something

in the alphas

[lilac oxide]

yeah, it was a hollow cylinder with a blue cube on one end

I think

[stiff spire]

interesting

[silver vine]

if Aaron got killed by guest, it means Enzo and Piper's mom were also killed

and Mr.Peterson

Guest is truly the ruthless killer

[teal imp]

guest is the killer

I cant believe he killed

[silver vine]

he killed the nerd

no wonder

also

why does everyone hate nerds?

why are everyone so mean to them?

[teal imp]

probs jealous or something

[safe charm]

So

Was the beta originaly gonna be the full game but of course finished

[shell gull]

No

[safe charm]

Like were they gonna use that build

And expand

On it

[silver vine]

no

[shell gull]

No

[silver vine]

it was quickly put together cuz fans kept grumbling

[safe charm]

Is the beta barn segment real

I asked this before

[silver vine]

we didnt have a new HN2 build for almost 2 years

[safe charm]

But im so confused

[silver vine]

maybe

[shell gull]

It’s a nightmare

Wouldn’t make sense

[silver vine]

no

its not a nightmare..

[lilac oxide]

The Terror is real

[safe charm]

Why does Quentin Wake

Up then

In his car

[shell gull]

It’s clearly a nightmare

He goes from getting Jumpscared to shock

And wakes up

Realising he’s driving

[teal imp]

I assumed the barn is like a flash forward to events that will happen later in the game

[shell gull]

And is gonna crash

[shell gull]

Doesn’t make sense

[silver vine]

at that time we all concluded that Quentin got time looped

[shell gull]

True

But

[safe charm]

How does time looping work

[lilac oxide]

ngl that would have been interesting

[safe charm]

Does everyone time loop

In the world

Smh

[silver vine]

cuz the way he arrives to the town was very similar to how Piper arrived in town in book 7

[safe charm]

Like how does

It work

[shell gull]

Gotta go

[safe charm]

Ok

[silver vine]

read book 7

you'll understand

[safe charm]

I have but like

How can

Only quentin

Time loop Shouldnt everyone

[silver vine]

everyone gets time looped

the entire town

[safe charm]

The world too

[silver vine]

no

not the entire world smh

[safe charm]

Doesnt make sense

[silver vine]

its only Raven Brooks

[safe charm]

Does

Time itself go back

[silver vine]

have you read book 7 or no?

[safe charm]

Yes but fell

Aslep

[silver vine]

cuz its clearly explained in that book

[silver vine]

read it again smh

[snow mauve]

Of course you never read them anyway

[safe charm]

I didnt

I listened

To them

[snow mauve]

I bet you were just zoning out