lore-discussion

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Lore

[silver vine]

thats why the beta is "spoiler free" and alpha 1.5 has "clues to full game"

[strange lance]

They probably didn't wanna buy that much effort into a beta

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If its done

[strange lance]

Look at hn1 beta's

[silver vine]

exactly

[strange lance]

They were still the father son story at that time

And then fg came and changed it up

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But then people will think that story is gonna be built upon

[strange lance]

Exactly

To build up hype

And then drop it and run off

Last second

[teal imp]

why does alex have to be so stupid....

[pale urchin]

Did the beta came out before the animated series during development?

Because I could've sworn that making cartoons takes a lot of time, and thats what Alex did with his own cartoon

[shell gull]

AS didn’t take any time, it’s horrible.

[pale urchin]

Though, the budget might've took time, the story sure didn't

[lyric zephyr]

The story legit feels like Alex fed a general synopsis of HN lore to an AI and told it to spit out a show plot

We know how much he loves using AI in conjunction with the AS lol

[teal imp]

It does feel like it lmao

[shell gull]

Yeah

[stiff spire]

this makes me wonder if Alex had to do something with the change of the story during HN1

unless Nikita changed it

when they delayed the game

[shell gull]

Aaron is dead

Where do we go with that?

Other than everything lore wise

I’m talking effect wise

It caused Ted to do what he did in GN2 and leading to the time loop

[ripe berry]

Hey, if The Guest being a Manifestation really is correct then explain the plot holes of what the god of the Forest Protectors is, what grants the Forest Protectors luck, why the Forest Protectors are dressed as crows, and why the Guest has more power then the Thing, then I won't see any problems with the Guest being a Manifestation theory.

[strange lance]

The almighty bird god

RB is all about birds it's not out of the question that they just worship birds

We know the guest is about emotions because that is literally how he appears to people

[stiff spire]

I still don't know why Theodore would have the choice to lock up Aaron I know he wants him to be safe and not die but that's way too harsh

[ripe berry]

(Was just in denial, I still am partly in denial)

[teal imp]

guys Aaron is alive!!!

[strange lance]

no way!

[teal imp]

he can just cook the guest eggs!!!!!

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smug idiot

[stiff spire]

bon guestite

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go to the sandbox

[teal imp]

one egg would be enough to feed Aaron for days!!!!

[stiff spire]

the guest sure had some cool looking houses in concept arts

[tribal talon]

Yay, guest babies

[teal imp]

this discussion died

I was right

[ripe berry]

Also may I say Aaron is the character whose timeline has been retconned the most in this franchise. First he kills Mya sometime before March 1997, then suddenly it's May 3rd 1996, except now it's August 1995. He burned down Ted's House, except now he didn't. He distracted Ted in the Act 2 Ending, except now he doesn't distract Ted.

and now it's not even his fault Mya died in the AS

[strange lance]

I like that they retconned him burning the house

And him distracting ted

Aaron is much more impactful now

He's a Catalyst now

For a bunch of bad things

So he was kinda right

"I make bad things happen"

[ripe berry]

Aaron really was a omen

just like his dad claimed in that room in Book 1 it seemed

(at least that's what Guidebook interpeted, shit I referenced the Guidebook)

[teal imp]

we cant have freak accidents happen in AS!!!

thats too scary and sad for kids!

[ripe berry]

Ted claimed Aaron was a omen in the hidden room in Missing Pieces, Aaron said he makes bad things happen, turns out, they were right! Just not at the timeframe it was claimed

[ripe berry]

yep

[shell gull]

That’s probably just cuz the town is like filled with Crows so they worship them, and The Guest isn’t more powerful than The Thing, it’s just Nicky was able to stop it.

[teal imp]

nicky was able to simply shove the thing and it died

the thing looks real weak ngl

[lapis sonnet]

its only in their for an achievement the GAAP coins in hnvr isnt really lore related

[shell gull]

It was in his mind, and he was only able to do that when he was able to overpower it, by getting over his fears and trauma.

[lapis sonnet]

yeah the thing is just in nickys mind while the guest is a real being

[shell gull]

Well No, it’s both, it just had more of an effect in his mind, as we see it in a 3rd person view from Nicky’s view.

[lapis sonnet]

how

[shell gull]

Well we see it has effect in the outside world, we see it can go on top of things and sit on ledges and such.

The best I can say is

The Guest and The Thing have effects in the mind

They just perceive it differently

The Thing works better in the mind

While The Guest works better physically

[lapis sonnet]

when does the thing ever do this

[shell gull]

He stand on top of the ledge of the burned down Peterson house

He would’ve just fazed through it

[lyric zephyr]

I still hate how they made Aaron into a legitimate curse tbh

It worked a lot better with Ted being delusional and in denial

[shell gull]

The omen thing is fine

[lapis sonnet]

thats just nicky seeing things

[lyric zephyr]

Being 100% honest I hate the whole luck magic shit

[lapis sonnet]

your contradicting nikitas lore

[lyric zephyr]

It’s stupid

[lapis sonnet]

youve read all the books right

[shell gull]

What?

[lapis sonnet]

bc once u do u learn to appreciate it

[lyric zephyr]

The luck devices cursing the Peterson family

[hazy slate]

(Don't worry, I'm with you)

[shell gull]

He never specified if it was his mind or not, we just assumed it, also we still see The Thing from a 3rd person view, it’s there.

[lyric zephyr]

I’ve read the first 3 books and read parts of the second

[lyric zephyr]

The Thing is just a symbol of fear it’s not real oh my lord

[shell gull]

Bro, you need to read the prequels.

[hazy slate]

why does he just randomly attack Quentin then?

[shell gull]

They are so good

[strange lance]

in hn2 fg?

who cares

nothing in hn2 makes sense anyway

he just does because they needed the guest in the game

[shell gull]

Current HN2 isn’t canon, and he wasn’t attacking him, he bumped into his Van.

[hazy slate]

I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05-yoRnsKVk&t

[shell gull]

That’s just a teaser

And it’s The Guest

[lyric zephyr]

I refuse to solely because of the luck magic stuff, I’m sorry it’s just stupid to make the problems something entirely out of their control because an evil group used magic to give them bad luck

[shell gull]

It’s his thing

[lyric zephyr]

Also ik it’s through a luck device but cmon, it’s pretty much magic

[hazy slate]

but that contradicts the emotion stuff because from our knowledge Quentin isn't really feeling anything at that point in time

outside of maybe fear from seeing it

[lyric zephyr]

How does it contradict anything in GN2 it’s going after Pris just, because

No reason he just wants her as a host

[strange lance]

The petersons always had bad luck tbh

even before they moved back to RB

[shell gull]

He’s just attacking because either he hates him, or he has something he doesn’t deserve.

[hazy slate]

you mean Regina?

[lyric zephyr]

No he wants Pris
The one he calls her name through the window and tries to drown

Regina is the red head girl

[hazy slate]

if it's Pris he is after then that's a hole in the emotion stuff aswell

Regina is depressed over flan

[shell gull]

No

[strange lance]

The Guest attacks Quentin because he just wants to, what he does to Aaron and all of those characters is because he wants them

[shell gull]

He just needs a host

He still feeds off Ted

[lyric zephyr]

But he’s not after Regina, he’s just tormenting her

[strange lance]

if the Guest wanted Quentin he would manipualte him

[lyric zephyr]

He really wants Pris

[shell gull]

To take over her mind

[lyric zephyr]

No???

He’s going after Pris

He tries to drown Pris, he legit calls Pris’ name through the window

Regina was just in his way

[hazy slate]

Not trying to contradict what you are saying, I am saying that if it's Pris he is after then the emotion stuff doesn't make sense because Pris isn't depressed like Regina is

[shell gull]

Bud, he did the same with Aaron and Ted so he can use them to his benefit, he’s doing the same with her.

[strange lance]

idk if you guys realized but what The guest does to Regina is what he does to Aaron. He gets to those characters and then uses them to get what he really wants, being Ted/Pris

except he didn't get pris

he got Ted

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

He got Ted because he tried to stop the Mayak, then tried to get Pris

But he failed because Regina pulled her out

Idk how y’all are saying he’s not after Pris he legit says her name, tries to crash her car, goes directly after her in the water

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Pris's powerful ruler

to hurt the guest

[lyric zephyr]

If he wanted Regina he could’ve taken her while Pris was underwater

[strange lance]

if he wanted Regina he could've just done it in the nest lol

[shell gull]

He went for pris cuz he knew he was gonna weaken from Ted getting over his emotions, failed and went for Ted himself.

[strange lance]

but he didn't

[shell gull]

Same case with Aaron and Ted

He’s using them

While Ted is his creator

[lyric zephyr]

I’m pretty sure the only reason Ted changed his mind is because of Regina being a 10 year old girl with red hair
Like Mya

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To feed off

[shell gull]

Eh, maybe.

[lyric zephyr]

She resembled Mya and it finally made him realize

[strange lance]

I can't wait for book 9 to tell us what the Guest really wants and conclude the hello neighbor series!

[shell gull]

Sad

[hazy slate]

If he wants to feed off people's emotions Regina would be a better target over Pris

[strange lance]

We are never getting book 9

and that's just sad

[shell gull]

No, Entity’s of Manifestation stars that they can only feed off the creator.

[strange lance]

We'll never find out what happened to the town loop

[lyric zephyr]

I think the Guest is, biased
He claims to take things people don’t deserve, but really he’s just taking things he wants
In the alphas he’s taking garbage, specifically shoes

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the characters

[hazy slate]

Then why is the thing tormenting the rescue squad instead of Nicky?

when Nicky isn't even there

[lyric zephyr]

Like legit he stockpiles garbage, something nobody wants or deserves

[shell gull]

It isnt, those are other entity’s

Here

[strange lance]

because they're scared of Ted

when they kill Ted he turns into the thing

[lyric zephyr]

Legit The Thing is just fear

And SN is all imagination

[hazy slate]

exactly, so they cannot be stuck to one person

[shell gull]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10eHyfLOZDA2Vf6LTM4BKnbXa1WCPVji_1JyznL1uZ38/edit

READ

[lyric zephyr]

So of course they’re scared of Ted and when they beat him ingame they defeat their fear

Thus he turns into The Thing

We’re not reading your self speculation as canon proof, I’m going off of what Nikita himself has said
The Thing isn’t real, it’s just fear and trauma

[strange lance]

I think he does both. He does take things people don't deserve like Flan and Aaron, but he also just hoards stuff in the nest like a bunch of Ted's belongings

Ted did NOT deserve that random chair

[shell gull]

Idk if you know this but there can be multiple creators of one, and plus each round it’s a different entity from the different kids minds.

[strange lance]

Guest had to take it

[lyric zephyr]

The Thing is just how the HN universe represents fear, plain and simple
Isn’t real

Isn’t an entity

Isn’t sentient

[hazy slate]

this really doesn't help

[strange lance]

idk why people think he's a manifestation that's just the guest

the thing is literally just a mind thing

that just exists in hn

and nothing else

he has no emotions

or goal

[shell gull]

That’s to you

[hazy slate]

people are treating the guest = manifestation theory as fact

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[hazy slate]

It is a THEORY

Nobody confirmed it

[lyric zephyr]

The Thing is the only one we have a fact of what it is

The Guest we have no idea still

[shell gull]

Well, no, he grew when Nicky started to get more trauma, and died when Nicky got over it, The Guest was getting stronger as Ted sorrow got worse, and got scared when Ted was getting over it, it also used people to its own benefit against Ted.

[hazy slate]

No matter how accurate a theory can be or how much it makes sense, it never be considered fact unless outright confirmed by a writer to be fact.

[strange lance]

by emotions I mean the entity in question can feel different emotions, The Guest can be angry or sad or curious, the thing cannot do any of that

he's just blank

[lyric zephyr]

And again, we know for a fact what The Thing is unless the lore changes it
Which the AS would probably change it bc it’s dumb

[strange lance]

the AS already made act 3 real

I would not be surprised if they changed the thing

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Well its not in hn 2

The house is normal

[strange lance]

yeah cause the as and hn2 are barely connected despite being connected

[shell gull]

This can go further, if this is truly Nikita’s big thing it makes sense, the idea of it works in the world, it’s taking peoples emotions and hallucinations into realism, such as WW2 veterans having P.T.S.D. And hearing thing and making it worse fuss making the things they see worse, or people with actual trauma start to see things, or even Sleep paralysis.

[shell gull]

True

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I sometimes pretend hn 2 is old lore couse its less confusing lol

[hazy slate]

I think HN2 is in it's own little universe if I'm being honest

[shell gull]

And also because they were mainly focused on the Old HN2 side

[hazy slate]

not connected to either canon

[shell gull]

We can take this to account and say that in the world of HN these things could be thriving and we don’t know about it.

[lyric zephyr]

The AS overwrites everything
It’s not connected to anything else it’s doing it’s own thing even if it sucks

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I dont understand what happend to hn 2 story why is it a mix of both canons

[hazy slate]

maybe they are just trying to add AS elements to old lore

such as the unlucky coins

[lyric zephyr]

The AS just sucks for all the lore and media

Games books and all

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So what is even the main story anymore

[lyric zephyr]

The AS is

[shell gull]

Current HN2 is AS lore, The Guest origin is the same, and the story plays out the same just the Lore Exploration is a bit goofy.

[lyric zephyr]

HN2 and the AS don’t even take place in the same era anymore

[shell gull]

No, just no.

[lyric zephyr]

HN2 is 1998 and the AS is the 2010s

[shell gull]

HNVR, SN, HND and HE are carrying Old Lore, it’s the canon lore.

[lyric zephyr]

Nope not anymore, the AS takes priority

Alex said it’s the thing tying all the lore together

[shell gull]

You really trusting Alex

Sorry to tell you this but

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Well old lore is still canon though

[lyric zephyr]

Alex lies I know but he works directly on the AS

He makes the big decisions on it

Above the writers making thumbnails etc etc

He’s even told us how most of the story goes

I hate the AS but if there’s one thing Alex knows about it’s that

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Well its an AU not connected with the games except hn 2

[shell gull]

AS is just a way for Alex to make easy money off kids on YT through monetization and such, he only changes the lore to make it more comedic so kids come back to watch more, it’s just Alex’s fever dream, and there’s HNVR continuing it along with SN and soon to be HE and HND, Old lore is the canon, don’t let Alex get to you with AS, it did with me and it made by brain shit.

The only way for AS to be canon is for marketing on it other than YT

To go further

With new games and such following it

And we clearly see that’s not the case

And no

You can’t say HN2 counts

As it to was Old Lore

But it was quickly swapped last second

And with the feedback going on it might as well revert

[lyric zephyr]

The thing is the new games only follow it because they were being made before the lore change
HNVR has been in development for a long time

It’s based on the HN2 Alphas even down to the layout

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Well secret neighbor recently got old lore added

In the newest update

[lyric zephyr]

What old lore

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1 Man in the hat

[lyric zephyr]

The Mayak badge and mentioning the park and how HG got scrapped?

[shell gull]

I understand that, but simply if HN2 is fixed then Old Lore is riser back, we wi have it compete and then AS can go further but with Old Lore complete it can’t compete with it no matter what.

[lyric zephyr]

MITH is a badge because he’s an event in the game

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Manifestationens

[shell gull]

There the tornado badge and many others being referenced to Old Lore.

Listen you can believe what you believe

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[shell gull]

But AS is just a shit hole for monetization money

[teal imp]

yt doesnt pay much money for animated content....

[shell gull]

Exactly

[lyric zephyr]

That we can agree on, but Alex does genuinely have a connection to it

[shell gull]

It’s just a way to save TB

[teal imp]

alex is just making a dumb financial decision

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[lyric zephyr]

Lmfao the AS has been being planned since before their stocks dropped

[shell gull]

Yeah…but it’s Alex, Nikita always comes first and that’s a fact.

[shell gull]

Yeah but this is just easy money

[lyric zephyr]

Except when he got replaced by Alexus on HN2

Which is what happened

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[shell gull]

That was done by TB, nothing to do with story.

[hazy slate]

what badge?

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Mayak badge

[lyric zephyr]

So replacing Nikita has nothing to do with story except it has everything to do with story because Nikita wasn’t part of development for the last part

[strange lance]

The mayak one

[lyric zephyr]

What do you mean

[teal imp]

why couldnt they just retell the book stories...

[safe charm]

Listen books is still canon for me

[shell gull]

Yeah, “The last part” I already said Old HN2 was the canon version, they just swapped it last second.

[strange lance]

I think it's best to just ignore the AS and hn2

That's what I do

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[strange lance]

I don't really care enough to complain either

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[lyric zephyr]

But how the hell is Old HN2 canon if Old HN2 doesn’t exist anymore

[hazy slate]

we shouldn't ignore HN2

[teal imp]

hn2 had potential man...

[shell gull]

It does, lore wise.

[teal imp]

and I liked Quentin him being non canon is just sad

[shell gull]

We have the elements of it

[hazy slate]

but not trust it either

[lyric zephyr]

What lore we didn’t even get to learn what it had planned fully

[teal imp]

hg quentin my beloved...

[strange lance]

We know how hn2 would've gone at like the start but that's it

You can easily figure out how hn2 would've gone

There's your hn2

[teal imp]

its a shame that Quentin is just non canon now

[strange lance]

He is still canon

?

[safe charm]

He is just old version

[teal imp]

is he tho? old hn2 was never finished

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Of him

[shell gull]

Alright here’s an East resolution put “” for Old Lore, Put “” for AS Lore.

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Still happend

In the lore

[lyric zephyr]

How did it happen if it legit never happened

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[shell gull]

Case closed

Old Lore is canon

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It did

Happen

Lol

[teal imp]

AS is not canon vector

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[teal imp]

you cant convince me otherwise

the AS is pure waste

[strange lance]

Even if we never got the actual hn2 those events still happened, even if we don't know the full story.

Storm hits, cops arrive, ted runs away, fake aaron is set up, quentin arrives, rest of game happens

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[teal imp]

if alex wanted to reboot hn he should have at least finished the original story

[teal imp]

oh shut up

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[safe charm]

Please stop

[teal imp]

all I see you do in this server is try to piss people off

[shell gull]

Old lore was all planned out and then Alex hit it with AS, it’s just a scam job for money like I said, you can’t just put in a bootleg that’s being used for money over the original deal that gives the whole lore.

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[shell gull]

I mean

That’s why I love Vector

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I still Think old lore is canon though

Just not with

Hn 2

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[shell gull]

Well No, AS exist only for Money, Old Lore exist for the story, Old Lore is continuing to be made, most of the server has agreed and shown evidence that it’s still there and thriving, AS is a scam job.

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[shell gull]

Let me put it simple

[shell gull]

No when HNVR released

[strange lance]

SN is still going along with book stuff, hnvr is original, HE is too, and HND. It's literally only hn2

Hn2 is literally the only different game

[teal imp]

the mid game

[shell gull]

Would you rather watch the original Teen titans or Teen Titans go, one is made for the story one is made for kids and easy money.

Obviously the service was more for the OG

Fuss it was the real deal

Same here

[lyric zephyr]

No matter how bad it is one is canon one isn’t

[strange lance]

So even if hn2 and AS are the current thing I don't really care enough

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[lyric zephyr]

The best mentality

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[shell gull]

Yeah, The OG was no matter what the new version writers said, same here.

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[teal imp]

honestly this franchise is going downhill

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[shell gull]

Anyways you can live in fairy land and watch AS

[teal imp]

it literally is...

[shell gull]

This is lore dis

[teal imp]

its embracing the worst parts of hn...

[shell gull]

Back off Old lore

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[hazy slate]

if this was a particular server I'd say I'm related to him!

but it is not, said particular server.

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[hazy slate]

you will never know

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[shell gull]

In short you can live thinking AS was made for the story and is the real deal, but if you wanna come into Lore Discussion, then your facing Old lore mainly, know BS AS.

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[teal imp]

I wonder if they will still even finish the AS

considering how tb is doing

[shell gull]

Bro with that bootleg lore hell nah bru

[teal imp]

I doubt they have made money at all from the AS

[shell gull]

Canon lore on top

[shell gull]

Prob like two bucks

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[strange lance]

Episode 3 was supposed to release in June

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[strange lance]

This did not happen lol

[shell gull]

?

[teal imp]

I thought it was spring?

[strange lance]

First half of 2023

[teal imp]

oh

[safe charm]

Why im a bit sad is becouse i dont wanna be mean or anything i just really loved the story in the books and i just dont want it to be thrown away

[pale urchin]

Canoncy*

[shell gull]

Anyways talking about Canon lore, could there have been other ways as last resorts to save the Cult other than the catacombs, G.A.C. And possibly Museum.

[pale urchin]

How about we end lore now

[shell gull]

No

[pale urchin]

Whenever it comes to hn lore, its always arguing, phising and other shit

[pale urchin]

Yes

[teal imp]

if the old lore isnt canon then almost all of the games are non canon vector

the AS literally retcons hn1

hn1

not even the original game is safe

[shell gull]

That’s stated cuz of AS

From now one can we just refer AS as “the Bootleg”

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[shell gull]

Thanks gusy

[strange lance]

If hn2 and AS are canon, we get 6 non canon games and 9 non canon books in favor of 1 canon game and a canon cartoon.

How fun

[shell gull]

Swear

Listen I get it’s Alex

But you can’t just believe him

Even he doesn’t make sense what he says

[teal imp]

"nicky saves Aaron"

he did not play hn1

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[shell gull]

“R.S. Save Nicky”

[pale urchin]

Oh yeah, let's make those non-canon stuff cost money, meanwhile making a free TV show free canon!

[shell gull]

Exactly

[teal imp]

seeing how tb is doing rn

[pale urchin]

Imagine the people saying "waste of money, loving irony"

[teal imp]

I dont have hopes hn2 will even be finished

[pale urchin]

Me too

[teal imp]

hn2 was wasted man....

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[shell gull]

I’m fine with AS as long as people don’t take it crazy serious

[lyric zephyr]

No he did he just says Nicky saves Aaron makes more sense

(It doesn’t)

But to be fair, he DID try to warn us

[teal imp]

what

lmao

I thought this was fake

[lyric zephyr]

It’s very real!

[teal imp]

what the hell

[ripe berry]

Damn what happened here

[teal imp]

im getting mixed signals from alex

[ripe berry]

PoV: Alex trying to explain what AS is:

[teal imp]

did alex become a completely diffrent person after he started making the AS???

im so confused

[strange lance]

He decided HN was his creation

Bye bye Nikita

Remember Nikita took a break! And on that break everything just so happened to get worse

[lilac oxide]

lmao

[shell gull]

People think AS is canon

[stiff spire]

wait so alex sorta admits he made weird decisions

for the games but most likely the animated series

[pale urchin]

Sadly, that's what happened

[stiff spire]

rip

it later than foreshadowed a list of unfortunate events

but at the same time if he knows he was making weird decisions why didn't he get someone else to do it?

maybe he had no choice or something

[pale urchin]

Tbh idk

I really don't know what was his decision to retcon it

[manic dirge]

so ummm any lore to talk about?

[shell gull]

Not really there isn’t much with Canon lore neither with AS.

[pale urchin]

Hopefully we don't talk lore anymore, because this is a mess

[teal imp]

thanks a lot alex....

I can still cant believe he thought it was a good idea to literally retcon EVERYTHING

[pale urchin]

Me too

Who thought good old Alex is doing the right thing

[teal imp]

he should have listened to himself...

[tight heart]

people discussing lore for a game series that died in 2019

[shell gull]

Sure bud sure

[safe charm]

Why are you here then

If its apperantly so dead

[tight heart]

im here because i still have the server from when i actually liked the game

[safe charm]

You joined june 30

[lilac oxide]

💀

[lyric zephyr]

Lmao

[safe charm]

Hi

[shell gull]

What’s up

[safe charm]

So old lore for me is canon

Its just is that way

[shell gull]

It always has been

[spark tulip]

New lore is cool because it has The Guest.

[shell gull]

Would you rather have a Entity of manifestation that is super smart and cynical, or a Demon who is just on a rampage in town.

[opal jackal]

Both sound stupid

[shell gull]

Then don’t argue lore?

[safe charm]

I prefer the first more

I like manipulative guest

[shell gull]

I prefer both

[safe charm]

True

[spark tulip]

Both.

[shell gull]

Problem is

We know so little about AS Guest

[safe charm]

They should like combine them

[shell gull]

Nah

[opal jackal]

Nah

[shell gull]

We know the cult saw him as a god and summoned him via Rituals.

[spark tulip]

So, if HN2's lore got changed for the AS's "lore", why are there so many inconsistencies?

[safe charm]

I dont even know if hn 2 is new lore

Completly

[shell gull]

Those are all place holders because they changed it last minute

[spark tulip]

How do we know it got changed last minute?

[shell gull]

For some easy money for the show

[shell gull]

Because all the way hyping up to the beta after that it just changed

[safe charm]

Alex Said

[shell gull]

Anyways

[safe charm]

They already made new lore

[shell gull]

Talking lore

[safe charm]

When the beta launched

[shell gull]

We know Two things

[spark tulip]

Already when The Guest was made.

[shell gull]

The Guest was summoned

But was disobedient

[safe charm]

So maybe beta is new lore

[shell gull]

No

Beta has Canon Lore elements

That’s why they called it spoiler free

[safe charm]

Why would he say they already writen the story yet

[shell gull]

As it was spoiler free from Current HN2

[safe charm]

Also in the beta they said

Wait a sec

This build doesnt containt spoilers yet expect everything to click together in the end

[shell gull]

Yeah

Cuz of Canon lore

The ending was true to Canon lore

The elements were

[safe charm]

So like it cant be a whole different canon from the full game

[shell gull]

Quentin falls for the bait if the fake Aaron and is greeted by The Guest

[safe charm]

Im confused

[shell gull]

As he’s making Ted do things for him

That was the whole Canon lore thing

[safe charm]

Why would they change the story so late in production doesnt make sense

[spark tulip]

I thought the "fake Aaron" was just made because they didn't have a model for him.

[shell gull]

I’ll tell you why, easy money for the AS.

[opal jackal]

Old lore isn't canon and HN2 is cano- gets shot

[shell gull]

Nope

[pale urchin]

Hn1:

[shell gull]

HN2 ain’t even canon

Here’s the deal

If AS really is canon

That makes all the games

Except HN2

Non canon

[pale urchin]

Nothings canon 🧌

[shell gull]

That makes 8 books non canon

[safe charm]

No it was a scraped plot point very likely

[shell gull]

And 2 novels non canon

[pale urchin]

Everything in hn is dead :troII:

Tbh, I don't see why people are still trying to solve the lore or talk about it when its the same damn thing we talk in the chat 24/7

[opal jackal]

Yes

[pale urchin]

Like, can we just forget about this now, I know guestaraunt won't

[shell gull]

We’re not we literally already solved that Old lore is canon two months ago, people can’t take that in, even though it’s been the truth all of HN.

I’m fine with both lores

[pale urchin]

Then why continue this whole investigation 2 months later?

[shell gull]

Just one contradicts the rest more

[shell gull]

Cuz people keep bringing it back up

[pale urchin]

Which is the problem

[shell gull]

Like “AS is canon bro” “what’s your proof”

[pale urchin]

We don't need to hear the same thing all over again and again

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

I see it as this they tested making AS canon but it didnt work

[shell gull]

Yeah exactly

It failed

They could have pulled off a HN2 on VR but didn’t

[pale urchin]

If you have nothing to do in this server, don't try to bring up the same topic

Just give it a break, and think of an idea for this server

[opal jackal]

The only people bringing up old lore are old lore fans

[safe charm]

Why are we even arguing

[pale urchin]

Fr

Idk, thats the same thing people do in this server 24/7 when it comes to lore

[shell gull]

Bro, all the new fans are just little kids 💀

[pale urchin]

Fr

But let's be honest, we need to wait

[shell gull]

Anyways

Talking abt lore

We have two sides of The Guest

A super smart manipulative power

And then a rampaging demon

[pale urchin]

Ok, thats something I have never heard of

[safe charm]

I like both version to be honest

[shell gull]

Same

[safe charm]

I prefer old lore guest still

[opal jackal]

I think it's funny how so many people didn't like the books before AS but now everyone loves the books

[shell gull]

Yeah you weren’t here for the AS era of lore dis

[pale urchin]

Shit

[shell gull]

Because we never took the time to appreciate them before Alex gave us the AS

And god

I appreciate them a lot

After seeing AS

[shell gull]

Yeah it was weird then

During that time I was the top notch for a while

[pale urchin]

I prefer the super smart and maniputive guest because

1. He is not your ordinary spooky creature that would run away everytime you get near him
2. He isn't what you expect, you expect him to be some demon that is trying to catch you or whatever, but instead it is some creature that would manipulate you, and have swarm of crows to come up to you, giving the sign that the guest is here

[safe charm]

This poster give me manipalutive entity

Not rampaging demon feels

[shell gull]

Yeah

[safe charm]

So how was original hn 2 supposed to play out

Do we know

[shell gull]

I’m short, The AS Guest is just, the cult wanted a resort for power, decided to summon the god they believe in, end up summoning The Guest, lock him in the attic to make him obedient, end up being disobedient and runs away, and is now in a rampage in town.

[safe charm]

Wait what if hn 2 full game has an outdated

Story

[shell gull]

Nah

Gotta go

[safe charm]

Alex Said alpha 1.5 and demo was made after

The final games content got locked in

So maybe

[safe charm]

Alright Bye

[pale urchin]

No

It is a new and modern story made by Alex

He is trying to replicate hn1 original story where Mr Peterson was at one point a killer, and trying to mix in the old lore

[safe charm]

Hm

[pale urchin]

Which then became the AS lore as we know of today

[trim wasp]

When was he a killer?

[pale urchin]

He was a killer back in the era where dynamic pixels didn't team up with tinybuild

[trim wasp]

O:

[teal imp]

them being able to lock up a god makes him look not much like a god

[shell gull]

He ain’t

They think of him as one

He’s a demon

[round badger]

is this timeline correct?
GN1
B4
B5
B6
B1
HNHS
B2
B3
ACT1
SN
HE
HNVR
ACT2
HN2
GN2
ACT3
ACT4
B7

[strange lance]

HND is after act 4, and then yes it will be correct

[round badger]

ok

thanks i remember asking befor but i wanted to confirm

[pliant estuary]

in book 6 Norman Darby says he told his secrets to someone named Roth, was that jay, or someone else with a similar last name

[shell gull]

@tacit meteor

[tacit meteor]

I'm here

[shell gull]

There is no person behind the mask

He’s an entity

Created by the emotions of Mr. Petersons mind

[tacit meteor]

That makes sense

It's good to see he appeared in the TV game

I meant vr

My bad

Who do you think knocks you out at the end of hello neighbor 2?

[teal imp]

hn2 has no story so idk and I dont care

hn2 cant really be considered canon tbh

[tacit meteor]

Good point

But it just makes me curious

Who did it?

And why

Well I know why

Just who did it

I mean it can be guest

But it can be anyone

It could be the Mayor

We just dont know

Well I guess we have to wait

[teal imp]

mayor is the leader of the cult

the cult HATES ted

why would he protect ted?

the most likely person to do this is the missing journalist

who is an enemy of the cult..

[shell gull]

Yeah but In HN2 he’s dead

[snow mauve]

No

[shell gull]

The biggest question I got is who is smarter: Ted or Bruce Wayne

I was gonna say Bruce but

Ted is very smart

We just barely see it

[pliant estuary]

they both build a giant underground secret base

[shell gull]

Yeah

While Teds was to save a career Bruce’s was for vengeance

[ancient nymph]

I have a question, does The Guest kill Ted in GN2??

because if The Guest is an entity created by Ted's emotions, why would he kill Ted??

[ancient nymph]

Also, what do the HN2 tapes mean? And the secret room under the golden apple fountain??

[ancient nymph]

Could The Guest be a Ted's personality created because of the traumas he has?

[silver vine]

Guest was supposed to stalk Quentin thruought the town in old HN2

Thing couldnt do that

[silver vine]

he also did that in HN2 beta tho...

[pulsar inlet]

Y’a des français ?

[silver vine]

the cult cursed the family in the 60s

cuz Adelle and Roger tried to expose them

thats why they always had bad luck

[glacial whale]

Ok can someone explain which lore is cannon?

I’ve heard the old lore and new lore and just HN2 but which is cannon?

[hazy slate]

This is NOT CONFIRMED! Don't introduce new people to the lore with theories and treat them as fact, instead say "I personally believe that [Insert theory here]" When talking about theories, I'm sorry if I sound rude but you really shouldn't treat this theory as fact until it is confirmed. (And yes I know this is #lore-discussion but you were using the theory to help introduce someone to the lore without stating it's a theory at all)

[teal imp]

I mean

old lore is canon to
hn1
hnhs
SN
HE
HND
HNVR

while new lore only with the cartoon and only the cartoon

[glacial whale]

And HN2 is by itself?

[teal imp]

hn2 cant be canon to anything because the game states multiple times that its in 1996

while the As takes place in like the 2010s

with the smartphones

Quentin has a smartwatch in hn2 so thats a bit weird

hn2 refferences bosco bay and gn2 which are old lore

with old lore dates

hn2 just doesnt really fit into anything

the main issue with hn2 is that Aaron is still with his dad

while in hnvr that ties in well with old lore implies that he is either dead or captured by the guest

[glacial whale]

Thanks for explaining

[spark tulip]

We've only seen the watch being used as an alarm clock and to see the time.

But mostly to see the time because the alarm clock is only used in nightmare 1, I believe.

So, yeah, it's not a smartwatch.

[ancient nymph]

Can anybody tell me which things are canon and which are not??

[teal imp]

still the electronic screen

[teal imp]

then I used the wrong word for it

[ancient nymph]

Are now the years in HN lore changed??

[teal imp]

I reccomend you ignore the cartoon

it doesnt make sense with the games at all

[ancient nymph]

ok, thanks

I think the most important thing the AS will do is introduce the concept of the Guest

I have a question about GN2, does the Guest kill Ted, enter his body, or he is a 2nd personality of Ted?

[spark tulip]

Yeah, probably.

[safe charm]

Well he’s already introduced

Smh?

[spark tulip]

Why do you always say "smh"?

[ancient nymph]

but introduced as a concept, not as a character, because he is an entity, but we don't know how that works

[safe charm]

Well I think hn 2 will do that

At least I hope so

[ancient nymph]

I think the Guest could be like Ted's 2nd personality or something like that

then the fight Ted has with Guest in GN 2 could be a mental fight

but this "theory" is just me trying to give a meaning to that strange fight

I'm thinking about Guest and Theodore like what Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty are

[safe charm]

He can’t

The intro

Debunks that

Same with hnvr

[ancient nymph]

ok, now I think that the Guest is an entity made by Ted's emotions or traumas, I mean, something like the shadow in HN 1 that haunted Nicky in act 3 and 4

[shell gull]

You kinda got it, The Guest is a entity of manifestation formed from Teds sadness, while in AS he’s a demon on a rampage.

[safe charm]

So

Is the guest actually physical

In hnvr

He seems like a ghost

I’m confused

[shell gull]

I understand that, but the question they asked was what was The Guest, and as of now that is our best origin, even though it isn’t confirmed, which it may never be confirmed because of Alex, it’s the best choice and actually reasonably makes sense as Nikita’s little secret for the story.

[shell gull]

He’s physical

[safe charm]

But why is he a shadow behind ted

In one cutscene

[shell gull]

As of now Entities of Fear or Trauma are only in your mind.

[ancient nymph]

like the shadow that haunted Nicky

[shell gull]

That’s an entity of fear or trauma

[safe charm]

What guest isn’t real!?

[shell gull]

No no

I clarified that only The Thing entity’s are mind things

They are still real

But only affect the mind

[safe charm]

The guest then

Did he just pop up

[shell gull]

But The Guest is a entity of Sadness or Depression

[safe charm]

In reality

All of a sudden

[shell gull]

Bud, that was in the Nest?

[ancient nymph]

he is like a physsic repressentation of Ted's pain

[safe charm]

Well how do they get there

We don’t get to see

[shell gull]

Same way Regina did

They went through weird holes or doors and they end up there

All of the nightmare type cutscenes are in the nest in VR

[safe charm]

So was Aaron in the nest

When he meet guest

[shell gull]

No, he was in the basement.

[shell gull]

I mean underground

[ancient nymph]

I think he was just in the basement, but the nest showed how they met

[safe charm]

So how do you imagine the guest was created

Did he just spawn

From inside mr Peterson

Smh

[ancient nymph]

idk, Ted suffered so much that all that pain transformed into the Guest, or something

[shell gull]

He popped up, only The Thing as of now grows and most likely same with The Guest, but when they get out of blob form have to choose they’re form, The Guest formed in the G.A.A.P. As Ted hanged there a lot, and saw the G.A.M. First and took its form.

Best conclusion we have

[safe charm]

I hope the manifestation is still canon

I don’t like guest

Being a demon

Summoned

[hazy slate]

I understand, but next time just say "It's speculated that" or "My theory is" so confusion isn't created incase it turns out that the guest isn't a manifestation

[ancient nymph]

me neither

[shell gull]

It isn’t confirmed, but based on quite literally everything it most likely is.

[shell gull]

I understand

[safe charm]

I hope the tapes meant the guest was just

Spying on the cult

During a ritual

[shell gull]

No

We literally here him get summoned in them

[safe charm]

He’s getting angry

It sounds like

Maybe they captured him

[shell gull]

We know it’s a summon because

[safe charm]

And was trying to sacrifice him or something

[shell gull]

All of his vocals are just echos but the last one was very straight to the source

Fuss meaning he pooped up out of thin air

So he was summoned via rituals

[ancient nymph]

the crows hate Ted, so, maybe they give a physsic form to his pain, in order to give him even more

[shell gull]

They don’t hate Ted.

[safe charm]

Maybe they just powered the guest

Up

With a ritual

[shell gull]

That would be stupid

No offense

[ancient nymph]

but, what do HN2 tapes mean??

[shell gull]

That just sounds really dumb

[shell gull]

Well

[safe charm]

Well better then them summoning him I really don’t like that

The guest should be a being that isn’t

Summoned or anything In my opinion

He should have basically just created himself

[shell gull]

There’s the old tapes which is basically The Guest getting summoned, The new ones which is M.J. Recording all of his investigations as he follows Quentin’s footsteps of figuring out the Cult secrets before it leading him to his death.

[safe charm]

So in old lore

What was his goal

The guest

[shell gull]

Well

He was VERY smart

And though like 10 steps ahead

[ancient nymph]

for what I know, in a tape we hear thw rollercoaster that killed Mya, so maybe the tape in which we hear the Forest Protectors "summoning" the Guest could just be a recorded ritual they made with the luck device

[ripe berry]

More like Quentin's following his footsteps

[ancient nymph]

who was M.J??? I'm really bad with the names

[safe charm]

Where do you think guest

Comes from

[ripe berry]

MJ stands for Missing Journalist

[safe charm]

I heard another theory

[shell gull]

His main goal is to make Teds emotions worse to juice up more, but then started to manipulate people to spread more, and then he started to take over RB and Etc.

[safe charm]

From you

[ancient nymph]

aaaaa, thanks

[ripe berry]

Just like how MitH stands for Man in the Hat

[shell gull]

No doesn’t sound like that

[ripe berry]

I don't really know for sure where the Guest comes from

[shell gull]

Right my bad

[shell gull]

Mouse kinda solved it

He first in the Lore appears in G.A.A.P.

Which makes sense as that’s where he got his form.

[safe charm]

Where

In HE?

[shell gull]

Golden Apple Amusement Park

[safe charm]

No but like what game

[ripe berry]

People believe it's Manifestation stuff but at the same time it just doesn't make sense to me how the Guest could have so much power if he's a Manifestation, but I don't know for sure

[ripe berry]

They think that because of the statue in HE

with the eyes covered up with tape

[safe charm]

What did you mean by radiation

Once

[ripe berry]

Implying this to be where the guest gained it's form

[ripe berry]

Look I myself had no clue what the hell I was talking about

[ancient nymph]

all this talking could end up being stupid when the AS finally introduces the Guest's concept

[ripe berry]

Oh it was some kind of cut HN1 Power-Up like the Super Throw or Double Jump I'm pretty sure

[shell gull]

Well throughout the story we see him just torment Ted and slowly got stronger from it, and then when in GN2 when Ted got over his feeling The Guest got scared and tried to stop it fun going for Pris, failing and went for Ted, as if he possesses someone he most likely isn’t affected.

I’d imagine the reason why he’s such an Apex predator is because

He’s different from other manifestations

He thinks more ahead

[safe charm]

Well 2 different

Canons

Likely

[ripe berry]

I misremembered the name, it was Emission not Radiation

[shell gull]

For Ex: The Thing, all it did was just torment Nicky nothing else, while The Guest didn’t have one mission but many and always thought of good strategies to accomplish them.

[ancient nymph]

and why did he posses Ted??

[shell gull]

Cuz he was weakening most likely

[shell gull]

Yeah but AS ain’t canon

There’s Two canons AS isn’t the real canon one

As of now at least

[ancient nymph]

and in what would that help? if Ted's suffering gives him more power, why would the Guest possess him?

[ancient nymph]

for me, maybe the concept of the Guest that will be introduced in AS could be the canon one

[shell gull]

He didn’t want to, he wanted pros first but failed so last resort was Ted.

[shell gull]

We already know the AS origin

He’s a demon going rampage

There

[ancient nymph]

a, I don't like that concept

[shell gull]

Yeah well it’s most definitely the one

In AS he isn’t smart or anything

Just an angered demon

[ancient nymph]

what a bad concept

I preffer that Guest concept just being canon in the AS lore

in my opinion, the physsic repressentation of Ted's pain is better

[shell gull]

Entities of manifestation work more

[ancient nymph]

an entity of manifestation is one that is needed to do a ritual to make him appear no??

then why is he related to Ted?

[shell gull]

No, they appear just from thin air

[ancient nymph]

so, he gets power from pain, and because Ted suffers a lot he haunts him?

[hazy slate]

It's possible that they could be brought into the world via mayak storms

[shell gull]

True

[hazy slate]

since if you listen closely to the storm in SN

you can hear guest noises in the lightning

@shell gull this clip has the sound

[ripe berry]

and also the badge mentioning Manifestations

[safe charm]

We need animations like this in hn 2 lol

[pliant estuary]

there are 2 different versions of book 1, the one that came out in august is different, when it describes Mya it says she has "dark hair like her mothers" but it was changed after hide n seeks launch to "red hair like her mothers" random little fact I learned recently

[safe charm]

Oh

[teal imp]

what?

[hollow wren]

"***k! stop! stop! aaaa!!! aaa!!! ***k!"

(russian)

[stiff spire]

I can actually imagine that being a scene

[ripe berry]

huh

I didn't know that

[shell gull]

Yeah that’s why Diane used to have Dark hair

[lilac oxide]

That's so cool

[light patio]

is sn cannon or another timeline or something

it doesnt really match up yk

[snow mauve]

It's canon to some moments

[snow mauve]

It does

Because it's before HNVR

[loud arch]

Do you guys think the guest will patrol around raven brooks or have its own dlc/level?

[snow mauve]

Another dlc sounds very ridiculous

I doubt that'll happen

[loud arch]

If it was it would HAVE to be free

[snow mauve]

It's pretty obvious that this is just some free update to the base game

[snow mauve]

"Free" is an impossible thing for Tinybuild

Money talks to them

[stiff spire]

f r e e that spells free creditreport.com baby

[stone cairn]

i still can't play the hello copter dlc

[snow mauve]

Cool

[round badger]

question, how can mr peterson transform into a child

[eternal mica]

is the forst protactors and guest same person

[wicked heath]

no

bc forest protectors are a cult. The guest, hes something much more

[round badger]

also who is the guest

[wicked heath]

its hard to say

maybe some other ppl can give you their interpretations

[round badger]

also this

how can mr peterson transform into a child

[eternal mica]

ok thx

so then the books describe the forest protectors to look similar to guest

who is the guest really

[bleak spear]

He can’t, all of sn except the lobby is in the childrens heads (if i’m remembering correctly)

It could be him but its more likely the missing journalist, the proportions match him more than they match mith

[snow mauve]

The guest is just some demon bird thing that is a own entity

I think he's just some Manifestation of Aaron and Ted's emotions

[snow mauve]

Secret neighbor is just the kid's imagination

They just imagined the neighbor turning as a kid cuz children reasons, while in reality it's fake

[untold lark]

did you make this?

[tribal talon]

randomuser made that

[untold lark]

you sure?

[tribal talon]

Yes

#hello-neighbor message

The original message

Randomuser is REALLY good at animating

[untold lark]

yeah

[tacit meteor]

=

[shell gull]

He’s retconned in Current HN2

And Current HN2 isn’t even canon

As AS is non canon

[shy kindle]

At least the guest is 100% canon

[safe charm]

Yeah but his origin has likely changed

And his purpose

[shy kindle]

We'll see

[hazy grotto]

Hey so idk if this will be interesting to anyone but I found this version of HN Missing Pieces

It was up on Amazon can anyone tell me they have this version of Missing Pieces(?)

Give me some context perhaps

[stiff spire]

wait

this could have been an early version of book 1

if I had to guess

[hazy grotto]

Yeah I mean I know that

Sorry it's just I'm very giddy on this

Cause I love the Nicky trilogy so much

So for me this is like gold

I'll try and keep updates on this

[hazy grotto]

I just need to know does anyone actually own this version,, if so what is the difference between this and the final book

[shell gull]

From my understanding in the old version it said that Mya had dark hair like her Mother, after HNHS it got changed to Orange/Red hair (not sure which it stated) like her Mother.

[safe charm]

Hi

[stiff spire]

Most likely in the original story Nicky probably wasn't gonna have a grandma so that would mean his grandma wouldn't had given him a fear of going to places alone but instead maybe Nicky would find fear his own eventually

[ripe berry]

Imagine if it has some lore that was cut from the final version of the book

[wicked heath]

chapter 1??

this like, all the way to the end now

[ripe berry]

It's a preview of the book. It could be wildly different from the final version for all we know

[wicked heath]

but its almost the same paragraph

like, 'Hello Readers. Im Nicky and rn, I'm in the middle of a park, cause a friend told me to go there after basically not seeing them at all for days'

great intro

[ripe berry]

also due to being a preview they may have cut out most of the book

We don't really know much other then this being a preview of the book so we can't really say why it's near the end of the book unless we have the entire preview

[teal imp]

When does gn2 take place?

[snow mauve]

Da future

[teal imp]

Rd is like 2020s

Like real early 2020s

Gn2 takes place before that

[safe charm]

So how did emotions

Just create a being

Lol

[shell gull]

Act 3 is 2017, Reset Day is 2022, GN2 is pre Act 3.

[safe charm]

Also when was guest

Created

Or born

[shell gull]

Uh

Pre Act 1

Sometime during Books 2-3 I’d say

[safe charm]

So i love the manifestation idea

[shell gull]

Possibly before that

[safe charm]

But are we 100 procent sure

[shell gull]

No, like 70%

[safe charm]

What does the Nightmare

With guest shadow

Behind mr Peterson

Mean

[shell gull]

Isn’t a nightmare, it’s the Nest, it’s just the kids seeing the Guest being desperate for Ted in the nest.

By desperate

To torture him

Make him hate himself

Make him more emotionally impacted

[safe charm]

Are there any proof in vr hes a manifestation

Then

And not just a demon

Or something

[shell gull]

Yeah what I just said, and also how he gets stronger, from Teds mind getting worse after the ending.

[shell gull]

That’s AS

[safe charm]

So like in original hn 2

What was the guest

Role likely

[snow mauve]

A guest